From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 03:06:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06732; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:06:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:06:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Laurie Hatch" To: Subject: Chix and Technology Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:47:59 -0800 Message-ID: <001301bf243d$6adf7e60$b8edb5cf@lloopoo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"wXiuK.0.6q.TNK7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > From: Javier Miranda V. [mailto:gnominus@earthling.net] > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 1:03 PM > > I think this relates to what Jim Poppen said today about male masturbatory > tendencies. Women tend to seek mutual satisfaction rather than their own, > i.e., "You don't share your feelings," "But honey, we don't talk," etc. I > would predict that women will get into looping only in the context of a > group, where their looping interacts somehow with others. Javier, this is a very interesting theory. While it may arguably prove to have validity in a more generalized population, I must say that as a techno-nerd-chick, I'm as much (if not more) "satisfied" just looping with myself! %^) That's especially true if the other musicians are male-types, cuz they tend to jack off musically more than chicks do!! Just kidding, xy's, just KIDDING. No in-defense-of-musical-ego-masturbation flame wars, puhleeeeeease... As a bassist, using techno and looping toys has in fact allowed me to finally, uh, play with myself solo, and do so in a manner that (hopefully) engages the listener. Before looping, I invariably saw myself as being (for the most part) restricted to ensemble performance, at least to be commercially viable as a bass player. Now I have more options, and it's tremendously liberating. Don't get me wrong: I do love ensemble playing -- the intimate, interdependent co-creation and interplay is an extraordinary and unique communication. A sum far greater than the parts. But I know I don't require that interaction to be able to twirl those knobs and loop my ass off. It simply has never occurred to me to think of it in terms of gender. > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:mark@cdm.sfai.edu] > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 12:52 PM > > why do we > find so few women interested in working with new tools (such as loopers) > in Music? At the risk of oversimplifying an extremely complex subject, I think the relative absence of women in tech/electronic music is a subset of the gender imbalance one sees in virtually all tech fields, at least here in the US. Although some fields are finally becoming gender-blind, I do believe it's gonna be a while before being a woman in most technical fields is not in _any_ way unusual. Why and how those imbalances came to be is another topic, another list, but I would briefly hypothesize (and over-generalize): >From a very early age, girls (in some cultures) do not receive the same encouragement to go into technology as do boys. In cultures where women do not, or historically have not had equal rights politically, economically, and sociologically, they typically were/are tracked into more traditional "feminine" roles. Those who have chosen alternative paths have usually faced considerable impediments. (Although sometimes that's made us better!) I would like to mention a few examples from my own experience. In my late 60's high school physics class of 25, only two were girls. Same with advanced math. On the other hand, the balance was about even in band and orchestra classes, although very few girls played more "masculine" instruments like bass, trombone, tuba, etc. Even fewer played electronic instruments. If you were a chick in a band it was automatically assumed you were the vocalist. (I _still_ find that bias today.) ~~Which brings up what was a strong undercurrent when I was growing up: being expected to fit into the "ladylike" category. For instance, girls were not allowed to wear jeans in school because it was "unladylike"!!! I'm still proud that a few disgusted jeans-clad high school chick friends and I were suspended for protesting that blatantly sexist rule. We didn't change our jeans, and they did change the rule. Even now many females don't receive the same encouragement to excel in the sciences and other technological fields in the same way that males do. I was fortunate because my parents didn't program me to fit into typical gender roles of the time. But even with that advantage there were a lot of societal biases and barriers to overcome. Thankfully, however, it's been a while since I've heard "you play really good for a girl." And finally: > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:mark@cdm.sfai.edu] > Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 9:46 AM > > I'm pretty sure most of us know that woman, can, will, and do loop. > That wasn't the point. The point is, I don't think that there is a > single woman on this list. I find that bothersome. It seems > unnatural. There were females on this list at one time, why did they > leave? Are we creating a hostile environment towards women? Are we a > bunch of boring tech geeks? Relax, be yerself, be a guy, talk tech geek looper talk. It's all cool. That's why Tara and I, and everybody else -- regardless of gender -- are here. %^) And thanks for asking~~ loopin' laurie (FYI, I've been on the list continuously for several years, but I don't post very often. It remains my fave, for precisely the same reason that Claude Voit so perceptively expressed a few threads ago: [snip] >this has never been an aggressive list but a deep and funny > crowd of individuals right on! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 03:21:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09342; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:21:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:21:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 00:04:33 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: grumpy loopers, genius vs. jerk In-reply-to: <0.6bbcc027.254e3007@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_eivq2.0.zU1.ycK7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:51 PM -0800 10/31/99, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/31/99 4:02:04 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, >tom@swirly.com writes: > ><< Xxxxx interrupted him by yelling "ASSHOLE!" >> > >did mr. x think this guy was kim?...........:)..........im not sorry......i >dont have a sister, and my brother would not be impressed by this group >either, but he is not a looper nor does he care of things "looping".......as >for myself, i give thanks every day for kim and his wonderful "loop" >club.......and dont forget, adolph hitler was a painter........michael actually, I met Mr Xxxxx once to give a demo, and we ended up spending an hour or so chatting about gear and music and stuff. I thought he was quite a gentleman and a nice fellow; interesting conversation. Of course, I had never listened to any of his music, wasn't a fan, and hardly knew anything about him, maybe that's why. Some of his fans are pretty damn geeky and annoying, I dunno, if I were him I probably wouldn't like my fans either. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 04:11:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17613; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 04:11:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 04:11:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Laurie Hatch" To: Subject: Re: Chix and Technology Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 01:06:45 -0800 Message-ID: <001701bf2448$6be3ce00$b8edb5cf@lloopoo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <19991101083952.29718.rocketmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"f5ebl1.0.574.IXL7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 12:40 AM > > Thanks for cutting thru all the P.C. gender babble & > confessing to being a woman who loops, rather than a > woman-loopist. I was beginning to think I had > stumbled into the Alan Alda chat room. > > Now, go make me some biscuits! :) :) :) I'll make the biscuits if you'll do the dishes! %^) laurie From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 04:42:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22844; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 04:42:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 04:42:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991101093936.11228.rocketmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 01:39:36 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Chix and Technology To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"MDfPn.0.tM5.qzL7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK then! John --- Laurie Hatch wrote: > I'll make the biscuits if you'll do the dishes! > > %^) laurie > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 05:08:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27276; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 05:08:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 05:08:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: spat@visi.com Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19991101100353.006b2298@pop.visi.com> X-Sender: spat@pop.visi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 04:03:53 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping Laurie Anderson Resent-Message-ID: <"WeGg5.0.Tb6.4NM7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com kim flint wrote: >That would have been Laetitia Sonami. She uses the sensors from a Mattel >Powerglove in her custom made (velvet) glove, and there are some Max objects to >support this. wow, that sounds perfect for masturbator loopers like myself. I love the feel of velvet. Mark Sottilaro wrote: > The point is, I don't think that there is a >single woman on this list. oh, i dunno, there's lots of lurkers on this list. Some may even be gay. > I find that bothersome. It seems unnatural. Why? The whole thing never even occurred to me before the thread came up. Does it affect your looping? >There were females on this list at one time, why did they >leave? Are we creating a hostile environment towards women? Are we a >bunch of boring tech geeks? Women are pretty sturdy creatures. I personally always make sure there's no harrassment occurring on or around me when i read or post to the list, so things are ok on my end. I can't speak for the rest of you, though. steve From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 07:32:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18532; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:32:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:32:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:01:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: self love making and the fine art of making a big deal out of nothing In-Reply-To: <199911010458.XAA03429@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"VU_ib2.0.XF4.VQO7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Christopher White wrote: > i masterbated..once...and i did not like it....really. > Hell, the first time I handled a guitar it sounded pretty bad but I just kept practicing ..... Jim Carter > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 08:27:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01058; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:27:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:27:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:09:43 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Spoiled, coddled, jerkoff loopers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"n25SG2.0.637.J5P7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've never met anyone who's had the temerity to scream "asshole!" at me from the passenger seat of a car, but then again, my listening behavior seems to veer away from artists with egos the size of continents. Most of the folks I've managed to meet via one circumstance or another have been surprisingly down to earth, normal, nice and centered. And some of those folks have been looping types too. At the same time, perhaps some of these people have these tempers and anger issues because they're NOT looping. Just a thought. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 09:16:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13024; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:16:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:16:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d901bf2471$e8336550$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: SoundRaider Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:03:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ukKER.0.YM2.atP7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is from memory. My computer w/ SoundRaider is at home and I'm at work right now... I put my WAV files of interest in a subdirectory from where SoundRaider is located. Then select "Local Mode" for SoundRaider. This mode makes it search only the local directory (the directory containing SoundRaider) and any sub-directories. Move other WAV files to super-directories, other drives, etc. SoundRaider displays the number of WAV files it has located so you can make sure it's doing what you want it to. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mr. Tough To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 8:55 PM Subject: Re: SoundRaider >>I really like how you can change the feel of SoundRaider by changing which >>WAV >>files it uses. For example - If you use a bunch of didjeridu, singing >>bowl, and >>birdcall WAV files you get one feel. If you use a bunch of Beatle songs >>you get >>a completely different feel. >> >>Dennis Leas > >Is there a way to direct that without copying the whole program into >different folders? I want to change my funk! > > >Mr. Tough >A Subsidiary of CorpCom Enterprises >Branch Management Division > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 10:23:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28325; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:23:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:23:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282D84C@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: unsubscribe / grumpy loopers Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:15:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"zkVGE.0.EP6.UwQ7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, AS for the grumpy, it could be that, or it could be that it may be difficult to find other musician's who are dedicated, share similar visions, and are willing to put the work in to play a show. I have dealt with many many musicians from bassists, drummers, other guitarists,etc... and out of those only one or two would put the work in at all. Most couldn't get past the Cover band/bar band stage and concentrate on original music.Many didn't even show up to practices 1/2 the time. Many, didn't want to put the work in or be dedicated. If I would have waited for 1/2 of these bozo's I would end up waiting for years to play out, if ever. Anyway, it is really nice, not to have to rely on others and to have others determine when you can play out. Anyway, the same thing can be said for singer guitarists with no band backing them, old bob dylan,etc.but having a bassist ..Just my opinion and everyone has them.... Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com My immediate thought was: "No wonder this person uses > all these looping devices . . . they'd never be able to get along with any > other musicians!" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 10:32:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30021; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:32:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:32:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:13:21 -0500 (EST) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: quad looping In-Reply-To: <027301bf2478$7db8ed10$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jpyJJ.0.q_6.y3R7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not a joystick, but Musiscian's Friend had this neat looking touch-pad midi controller, I think by Korg, in their last catalog. Looks like it would be fun if you had free hands. I'm trying to play Chapman Stick, so my hands are pretty well tied up ;^) Stew Benedict On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Dennis W. Leas wrote: > Anybody doing quadraphonic looping? > > A combination of postings (to paraphrase - "Look into the SwitchBlade...", "What > kind of music would you make if you had all the equipment you wanted...", et al) > has made me start to spec out a quadraphonic looping system. It will probably > be years in the making. :( > > Defn: Quadraphonic looping - RT Looping played back through a system with four > independent power-amps/speakers. > > Can anybody recommend some kind of joystick MIDI pan-pot? (What do you call a > quad pan-pot, anyhow?) > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 11:00:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05079; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:00:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:00:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 09:53:31 -0600 Subject: Re: quad looping From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <027301bf2478$7db8ed10$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aRHtW2.0.Zl.dUR7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've done "dual-stereo" looping (two mixers, two stereo power amps, four speakers). Sounded great, but took a long time to setup and soundcheck. I was playing in a dome-shaped auditorium before a dance performance, so I had an hour or so to set up, play something, walk around the room, tweak, repeat, etc. Very low note content required. Aiming the speakers up into corners really added to sense that the music came from all sides. TH > From: "Dennis W. Leas" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 09:50:51 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: quad looping > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 09:54:06 -0500 > > Anybody doing quadraphonic looping? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 12:00:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18731; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:00:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:00:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991101162859.99766.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.129.243.247] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: I found you a joystick MIDI pan-pot Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 08:28:58 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"cY41B1.0.vq2.80S7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think this will more than suit your needs, and best of all you can get it NOW!!!! http://www.omnisound.com/ssp200.htm Here's the specs: INPUTS: Four (balanced, 1/4") at 25kOhm (+4dBu, max. +26dBu) PARALLEL IN: Eight (balanced, 1/4") at 25kOhm (+4dBu, max. +26dBu) OUTPUTS: Two to Eight - programmable (balanced, 1/4") at 300 Ohm SYNCHRONIZATION: FSK IN: One (balanced) 1/4" at 25kOhm (+4dBu, max. +26dBu) FSK OUT: One (balanced) 1/4" at 300 Ohm MIDI: MIDI IN, MIDI OUT, MIDI THRU CONTROL VOLTAGES: Doppler CV Out: 0 - 5V CV In Position, Speed, Scale and Expansion: 0 - 10V S/N RATIO: > 90dB THD: < .05% at 1Khz and 0dB POWER: 115V/230V DIMENSIONS: Processor: 19" x 9" x 3 1/2" Remote Control: 5" x 3 1/2" x 1 1/2" WEIGHT: Processor: 15 Lbs. Remote control: 1 Lbs. WARRANTY: One year limited warranty parts and labor ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 12:24:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24668; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:24:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:24:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.dc05b115.254f1d4b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:43:55 EST Subject: speaker/monitor question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"42P1l3.0.zi3.5ES7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i know i asked this a while back, but yesterday, i actually had to plug into an old fender champ and a small crate amp, seeing that my stereo speakers have finally given up the ghost, besides sounding bad, it was way too loud (not for me, but the rest of my family)........yes, the power mackies and jbl eons may be most wonderful, but i can only get together $300-$400 for a set of speakers and i am not afraid to spend less.....:)........i have always used 2 mismatched old klh stereo speakers and these were fine for mixing my music.....i have never used "monitors" per say and wonder if it is necessary to go there, is the difference that great?.......also, i have been using a very old pioneer "receiver/ amp" to power my system and the question is always there, would a better amp be part of my solution?.......keep in mind, that i never play out and my main goal is to get good recordings of my music.......any ideas would be most helpful.........thanks much..........(forced to listen thru headphones).........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 12:49:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30585; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:49:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:49:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005501bf2490$a1435be0$894badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: quad looping Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:43:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"lj7z83.0.i27.n3T7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stockhausen went as far as "Octophonic Looping" performed live in a custom-equipped "theatre of the round" auditorium. I've read that it was quite an experience - the added dimension of motion giving a narrative power to the music. >Can anybody recommend some kind of joystick MIDI pan-pot? (What do you call a >quad pan-pot, anyhow?) Regarding Joystick control/panning, your best bet is a CV-controlled X/Y mixer for your four inputs, and a joystick controller. I'm not familiar with an off-the-shelf solution, but there are modular synth manufacturers such as MOTM www.synthtech.com who make modules that allow this type of control over audio and voltage signals. Basically, you want to set-up a four-quadrant control matrix. Anyone else got experience with this? Regards, Larry -----Original Message----- From: Dennis W. Leas To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 10:06 AM Subject: quad looping >Anybody doing quadraphonic looping? > >A combination of postings (to paraphrase - "Look into the SwitchBlade...", "What >kind of music would you make if you had all the equipment you wanted...", et al) >has made me start to spec out a quadraphonic looping system. It will probably >be years in the making. :( > >Defn: Quadraphonic looping - RT Looping played back through a system with four >independent power-amps/speakers. > > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 12:54:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31854; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:54:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:54:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005e01bf2491$7efbc3f0$894badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Fear Of Technology Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:49:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"o4WhK1.0.uQ7.H9T7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >With any new toy I spend a rapturous few weeks playing with the presets, >tweaking the knobs and just finding what it will do. Then I have the >terrible committment to spend a very long time learning how to use >the thing. I agree 100%. The steeper the curve, the more commitment necessary to a piece of equipment which may, in the long run, not be worth it. "subconscious time management"? I gotta use that one. My whole life is based around that principle. :-P - Larry -----Original Message----- From: Jim Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 10:50 AM Subject: Re: Fear Of Technology >Jeff, > >I recognise what you descibe from my own reactions to new technology >but wonder if its really fear. >With any new toy I spend a rapturous few weeks playing with the presets, >tweaking the knobs and just finding what it will do. Then I have the >terrible committment to spend a very long time learning how to use >the thing. Will this thing allow me to make better or different music? >Is this committment of my time going to be worth it in the long run? >Very often I find that I'm not prepared to make this committment and >the toy stays in its box, or gets sold, or gets used for the one or two >presets that I liked. Things with a very short learning curve, say a new >power amp (and I'd put the EDP in this class) stand a much better chance >of finding their way into use. >You can call this lazy but I like to think of it as subconscious >time management. > > >Jim Carter >University of Bristol >Cantock's Close >Bristol >UK >Tel. (44) 117 9289934 >FAX (44) 117 9293746 >e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 13:02:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01997; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:02:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:02:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.cd205797.254f29b9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:36:57 EST Subject: "lahara mandala" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"vLn9_.0.im6.m_S7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com there is nothing i like more than going to my mail box and finding no bills......except when i find music in there, this is the best............i got a cassette from someone in oakland, home of the future "love loop fest"........there was no identification.........who do i thank for this wonderful aural breakfast.......this is great.......THANKS.........michael p.s.......just a reminder, anyone else who wants to send me music, please feel free to do so..........:) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 17:19:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02843; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:19:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:19:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 13:53:25 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, postaldave@qx.net Subject: Re: Vortex auction... Resent-Message-ID: <"tUfuz2.0.o37.umW7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com About 2 secs... It's a pretty popular loop stereoizer here. I DO loop with it from time to time, but mainly stereoize and mangle stereo signals with it/them. There's some good links to resources under "Tools of the Trade" at the LD website. Best Regards, Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> "postaldave" 11/01 1:32 PM >>> "I'm taking the plunge and selling one of my Vortexes... It's just been posted on eBay. This was one in mint cosmetic condition which was flat-rate refurbished by Lexicon. " what kind of loop time does this thing offer????/ postaldave@qx.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 1 21:35:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30263; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:35:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:35:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991101211151.007a7890@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:11:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: quad looping In-Reply-To: <027301bf2478$7db8ed10$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"067zC.0.jC6._Za7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:50 AM 11/1/99 -0500, you wrote: (What do you call a >quad pan-pot, anyhow?) Back in 1969, The Pink Floyd were calling their surround-sound setup the Azimuth Co-Ordinator System, although theirs was hexaphonic rather than quad. (They had used a quad system as early as '67, at the infamous Games for May show at the Queen Elizabeth Hall, but the rear speakers were stolen by the audience!) A joystick could send a sound source (which was frequently tape loops, to bring this on-topic!) panning around the hall. The loop most often remembered (a wonder in itself) was the sound of footsteps walking completely around the crowd. But if you called yours a quad pan pot, we'd know what you were talking about! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 02:44:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30655; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:44:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:44:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004b01bf2503$534f51a0$7c16a5ce@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: quad looping Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:24:34 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"nX0J8.0.Aa6.B7f7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Javier Miranda V. put forth: > A friend of mine told me of a quadraphonic radio station here in California > in the early Seventies, when quadraphonic records started to come out. He > told me they put together two different transmitters, each in stereo, of > course, tuned to the same frequency, and your radio was supposed to mix and > match, and you could hear the whole thing in your living room. We had WQIV briefly in the NYC area as I recall - my Kenwood KX2400 (17W!) had a quad decoder as an optional add-on box; before I got it, though, the separation on tapes made from the station was incredible! There was, at one point, a quad version of Zappa's "Apostrophe" that played especially well, FZ's voice running round the speakers like mad. The quad version of "Autobahn" had the speaker positioning of most car stereos, and some folks would flinch when the "car sound" came up from behind, then around them. > Come to think of it, wouldn't it be great that you could have a worldwide > concert.... Remember if you will that Pink Floyd's been using a more-than-quad system for years. Or have they converted to surround, themselves? Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:16:32 1999 Received: from mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (mta4.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.142]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA03674 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:16:32 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK006799MRG7@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:16:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:54:10 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Fear Of Technology X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Several months ago, Brian Eno did the back page of Wired magazine. In the article he described a session in a new fully digital recording studio, with a software driven "board" as the least creative time he's spent in a recording studio, ever. The gear was so infinitely programmable, he was never able to become "intimate" with the gear. With infinite possibilities, one can explore forever and end up with nothing in the end. I've been doing the digital audio/midi thing for a long, long time... in chip years, that is, and to me it's very, very seductive to want "the new toy." The problem is that as soon as you become comfortable with the tool, version 2.0 comes out, so you learn that, and then another company comes out with something that's supposedly better, so you'd better buy that and then... before you know it, you're out of money and haven't created ANYTHING WHICH IS WHY YOU GOT THE THING IN THE FIRST PLACE!! I do computer based 2 and 3D animation, and interactive work as well, so after a while it can become pretty obvious how overwhelmed one can become. BUT I KEEP ON GETTING THE NEW TOYS AND LEARNING THEM, I'M ADDICTED TO TECHNOLOGY! HA HA HA HA HA! But I'm getting better. I also think that soon a time will come where new features will become less and less important, and usability and performance/price will become issues. Cheaper hardware. Less RAM hungry software. I'm boycotting Adobe Premiere 5.1 (video editing software) due to its more convoluted interface and poor performance. Version 4 does everything I want it to do for now. This can become problematic when working with other's, but I'll fall off that bridge when I get to it. Sometimes you just have to say, "No." Sometimes the lo-tech way is the way to go. Mark Sottilaro Multimedia Specialist Center for Digital Media San Francisco Art Institute (415) 711-7020 ext. 4411 From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:16:43 1999 Received: from mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (mta4.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.142]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA03691 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:16:43 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK006799MRG7@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:16:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:15:57 -0800 From: Tiktok World HQ (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Fear of Technology (or Bad Interfaces?) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think I know what you mean about hard disk recording, something I've been rebuffed by numerous times once I start trying to deal with poorly thought-out interfaces. It's much easier to solve the "mundane" problems of recording and playing back information (audio or MIDI) than it is to design a smooth interface. Good ones don't come out of nowhere--they evolve over years of use and feedback from user to designer. Unfortunately, in the digital world there's no "reason" to do anything a particular way, the turnover at technology companies (particularly in niche markets like MI) is high, and companies themselves tend to bite the dust or get absorbed at a ferocious rate...not the sort of thing that results in time-tested, well-thought out designs. I also think that limitations are, by and large, a good thing. I've got a box of looping devices (for example) from the last decade or so, and they've all got problems and they've all got at least one thing that none of the others will do, and I write and play differently when I use one of them over the other. Over the last few years, I've seen a number of people say that they preferred the Boomerang to the rackmount loopers because it's a simpler device. Everything's laid out there in front of you, you don't really need a manual (they could have almost printed the manual on the back of the thing), and one level, I know what they mean. I can quickly set up something with the Boomerang or Headrush, whereas my Echoplexes sit in a big heavy rack which tends to only get set up at gigs or recording dates, just because it takes more space and another fifteen minutes or so wire everything up. I'm somewhat embarassed that I bought a MPX G2 a month ago, and I've only turned it on three times since then. Sounds great, but I open the manual (well-written, but it's a deep box) and for the first time in fifteen years of playing with all manner of gadgets, my eyes glaze over, and I end up going with one of my other setups. TH ---------- >From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #429 >Date: Sun, Oct 31, 1999, 6:35 PM > > I have a question for everyone. How many here have had to get over (or are > currently trying to get over) a fear of technology? By this I mean not > wanting to move on with technology (i.e. computer recording or editing--or > even something as simple as a slight gear upgrade from pedals to rack gear). > An example of my own is a reluctance to start working with computer > recording and editing software. I've just got up the guts to dive into the > digital recording world of a Rolqand VS880EX, and it's great. It's taken a > while to work through that learning curve, but it's been worth work and > drudgery of that Roland manual. However, I am very reluctant to start work > with a computer editing and recording program. From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:19:13 1999 Received: from mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (mta4.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.142]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04386 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:19:13 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK004CN9R88P@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:18:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:18:39 -0800 From: Tom Ritchford (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex wanted X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I bid at the Lycos auction for an Echoplex but lost. Zzounds have >one but don't ship outside the US. ZZounds is notorious for listing items that they don't really have for sale... >Interesting thing about the auction.........the foot controller sold >for more than the cost of a new one and the echoplex wasn't far off >either, er, you are behind the curve here. an Echoplex apparently sold for about $3K on eBay... /t From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:38:03 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07575 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:38:03 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:19:44 -0800 From: Christopher White (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: self love making and the fine art of making a big deal out of nothing X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" i masterbated..once...and i did not like it....really. From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:38:04 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07581 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:38:04 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:20:39 -0800 From: "Dennis W. Leas" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Learning to read. X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you for de-lurking. One of the bands I play in is totally female except for me. Nowadays, I feel unbalanced when only guys are involved in some artistic endeavor. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tara Key To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, October 31, 1999 1:30 PM Subject: Re: Learning to read. >I have been holding my tongue because I absolutely hate discussions based >on gender (seeing as for 20+ years of performing I have had to address it >SO many times). >Suffice it to say that I, a female (also a guitar player, pinball freak, >painter and any other thing that describes me IN PART) am on the list as I . . . From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:38:04 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07587 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:38:04 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:21:00 -0800 From: "Dennis W. Leas" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: quad looping X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anybody doing quadraphonic looping? A combination of postings (to paraphrase - "Look into the SwitchBlade...", "What kind of music would you make if you had all the equipment you wanted...", et al) has made me start to spec out a quadraphonic looping system. It will probably be years in the making. :( Defn: Quadraphonic looping - RT Looping played back through a system with four independent power-amps/speakers. Can anybody recommend some kind of joystick MIDI pan-pot? (What do you call a quad pan-pot, anyhow?) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:38:05 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07593 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:38:05 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:21:49 -0800 From: Jim Carter (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Fear Of Technology X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jeff, I recognise what you descibe from my own reactions to new technology but wonder if its really fear. With any new toy I spend a rapturous few weeks playing with the presets, tweaking the knobs and just finding what it will do. Then I have the terrible committment to spend a very long time learning how to use the thing. Will this thing allow me to make better or different music? Is this committment of my time going to be worth it in the long run? Very often I find that I'm not prepared to make this committment and the toy stays in its box, or gets sold, or gets used for the one or two presets that I liked. Things with a very short learning curve, say a new power amp (and I'd put the EDP in this class) stand a much better chance of finding their way into use. You can call this lazy but I like to think of it as subconscious time management. Jim Carter University of Bristol Cantock's Close Bristol UK Tel. (44) 117 9289934 FAX (44) 117 9293746 e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:38:05 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07600 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:38:05 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:22:09 -0800 From: L Tremblay (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Cheeky Chix X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I didn't say chix were dead, you know. Just as cheeky as anyone. My wife included. ;-) larry -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; hideo@concentric.net ; ltct@concentric.net Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 11:35 AM Subject: Re: OT unsubscribe >I got THIS from Laurie Hatch... >>>Hi Larry... I meant to pull it out and test it last night just to >be sure, but got sidetracked... > >> So does Katie know about this? tee hee... > >Mustabeen wearing that steak sauce suit... > >>>> "L Tremblay" 10/29 11:14 PM >>> >Me? Testy? :) > >After a while the incompetence reaches a level where Natural Law >almost demands a nasty rejoinder. It's like strolling through >lion country wearing a meatloaf jacket and a steak tie... > >...you're gonna get bitten. > >- Larry > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Lambrecht >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 7:23 PM >Subject: Re: OT unsubscribe > > >>not so sure--it's just that geo-magnetic anomaly in conjunctionwith >the >full >>moon that is corrupting newsgroup chats everywhere >> >>I mean, Larry T. is even being testy . . . SO unlike him ;) >> >>and as far as our other unwilling participant, "removeme it's not >what i >>thunk it was lots doubles and junk" ranks right up there with the >upper >>case Neanderthal posts as far as pure enntertainment >> >>like the Visa commercial sez' . . . "priceless" >> >>Tom Lambrecht >>hideo@concentric.net >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: Mike Biffle >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >; >>zebu@mindspring.com >>Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 5:07 PM >>Subject: Re: unsubscribe >> >> >>>My paranoid twin want me to believe that the guy who flamed Kim >has >>>returned with another "throw away" address and name and is now >>>tormenting us for being meanies... >>> >>>And from the look of Nitesh Pratel's only post with a subject >other >>>than "suscrabp" He'll be selling pirated samples and forming a >looping >>>supergroup with Paolo and Jim down in Tampa... >>> >>>Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual >distractions..." >>>mbiffle@svg.com >>> >>> >> >> > > From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:38:06 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07606 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:38:06 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:22:30 -0800 From: Laurie Hatch (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: speaker/monitor question X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 8:44 AM > >........yes, the power > mackies and jbl > eons may be most wonderful, but i can only get together > $300-$400 for a set > of speakers and i am not afraid to spend less.....:) Michael, if you can give it some time and a lot of diligence you might hit a good deal on one of the online classifieds sites. My fave is Recycler, http://www.recycler.com/default.htm; it's been even more productive for me than Harmony Central. I was able to find a couple of Eons for $200 apiece -- a little beat up on the outside, but they sound great considering their size and cost. You might do a search on Google http://www.google.com/, for more classifieds sites. Watch out for Lambrecht, though. He'll be breathin' down your neck cuz he wants some too. LH From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:38:07 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07612 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:38:07 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:22:54 -0800 From: Jonathan El-Bizri (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: RE: quad looping X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Korg Kaos Pad. It sends out midi control I beleive, but it's actually an effect processor, mainly designed for DJs. I play chapman stick too, and in the theory that one can never have to many polyphonic things to do, just bought an SP-808. I'm getting quite good at switching off between treble strings and the 808 with my right hand. Perhaps a Koas pad on the floor could be controlled with a strategically placed penny and a foot? bIz -----Original Message----- From: Stew Benedict [mailto:stewb@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 7:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: quad looping Not a joystick, but Musiscian's Friend had this neat looking touch-pad midi controller, I think by Korg, in their last catalog. Looks like it would be fun if you had free hands. I'm trying to play Chapman Stick, so my hands are pretty well tied up ;^) Stew Benedict On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Dennis W. Leas wrote: > Anybody doing quadraphonic looping? > > A combination of postings (to paraphrase - "Look into the SwitchBlade...", "What > kind of music would you make if you had all the equipment you wanted...", et al) > has made me start to spec out a quadraphonic looping system. It will probably > be years in the making. :( > > Defn: Quadraphonic looping - RT Looping played back through a system with four > independent power-amps/speakers. > > Can anybody recommend some kind of joystick MIDI pan-pot? (What do you call a > quad pan-pot, anyhow?) > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:09 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08439 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:09 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:23:14 -0800 From: Stephen Goodman (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: New Songs at EarthLight Studios X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greetings and a belated Happy Halloween to all! In keeping with the holiday I've posted some ambient-situational treats for your listening pleasure in Real G2 format, "Dance of the Recently Deceased," and "Kyoto Garden v.1". Do drop in and have a listen - it's good for you. At EarthLight Studios, http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html - where we've been posting music online for as long as it's been possible. Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:09 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08440 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:09 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:24:05 -0800 From: L Tremblay (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: I found you a joystick MIDI pan-pot X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > FSK IN: One (balanced) 1/4" at 25kOhm (+4dBu, max. +26dBu) > FSK OUT: One (balanced) 1/4" at 300 Ohm >CONTROL VOLTAGES: > >Doppler CV Out: 0 - 5V >CV In Position, Speed, Scale and Expansion: 0 - 10V Yes! Hook up a few pedals and go. Looks like a powerful (albeit expensive) processor. - Larry -----Original Message----- From: Dan Bartell To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 12:05 PM Subject: I found you a joystick MIDI pan-pot >I think this will more than suit your needs, and best of all you can get it >NOW!!!! http://www.omnisound.com/ssp200.htm > >Here's the specs: > >INPUTS: Four (balanced, 1/4") at 25kOhm (+4dBu, max. +26dBu) > >PARALLEL IN: Eight (balanced, 1/4") at 25kOhm (+4dBu, max. +26dBu) > >OUTPUTS: Two to Eight - programmable (balanced, 1/4") at 300 Ohm > >SYNCHRONIZATION: > >FSK IN: One (balanced) 1/4" at 25kOhm (+4dBu, max. +26dBu) >FSK OUT: One (balanced) 1/4" at 300 Ohm >MIDI: MIDI IN, MIDI OUT, MIDI THRU >CONTROL VOLTAGES: > >Doppler CV Out: 0 - 5V >CV In Position, Speed, Scale and Expansion: 0 - 10V >S/N RATIO: > 90dB > >THD: < .05% at 1Khz and 0dB > >POWER: 115V/230V > >DIMENSIONS: > >Processor: 19" x 9" x 3 1/2" >Remote Control: 5" x 3 1/2" x 1 1/2" >WEIGHT: > >Processor: 15 Lbs. >Remote control: 1 Lbs. >WARRANTY: One year limited warranty parts and labor > > > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:10 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08451 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:10 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:24:23 -0800 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: music X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" we all create music........can we think of a way to share this with each other in a non-computer down-loadable way.......some type of tape or cd exchange, i have no idea of the logistics of this sort of thing but i would be willing to work on such a project.......please send me your ideas........there is too much un-heard music out there........this is something i have been thinking about for a long time and this mornings gift brought this idea to the forefront again........michael From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:10 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08452 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:10 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:24:46 -0800 From: Mike Biffle (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Vortex auction... X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm taking the plunge and selling one of my Vortexes... It's just been posted on eBay. This was one in mint cosmetic condition which was flat-rate refurbished by Lexicon. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=192191157 Best to all! -Miko From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:10 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08458 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:10 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:25:16 -0800 From: Mike Biffle (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: music X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Gotta tell ya MichaelNOTMiko... I'd love to see you at the helm of another Chain Tape project. The first was a huge success mostly due to your shepherding us all along and your never ending enthusiasm for the process. I'd love to submit either / any of the stuff I sent you, or come up with more... Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> 11/01 10:29 AM >>> we all create music........can we think of a way to share this with each other in a non-computer down-loadable way.......some type of tape or cd exchange, i have no idea of the logistics of this sort of thing but i would be willing to work on such a project.......please send me your ideas........there is too much un-heard music out there........this is something i have been thinking about for a long time and this mornings gift brought this idea to the forefront again........michael From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:10 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08464 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:10 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:25:35 -0800 From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Signal routing X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BF24B3.1B3D2080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello loopers, One technical question: Here is how my signal flows: Guitar (synth readywith Gk2 buit in) ---GR09 synth---Korg A2--- Roland = GP 100---Boomerang looper---EDP--- Combo tube Amplifier. I found that when i play without going thru the GR09 synth the signal = sounds healthier clearer and stronger. Analog fuzz boxes which i also = use dont have the same rich and thick sound when i go out from the Gk2 = synth pick up.On the other hand i love combining the hi tech synth = sounds with analog fuzz boxes or doing some synth textures and then = playing analog sounds on top. I am still looking for the solution to this maybe routing things in a = different way. I welcome any helpfull tips on this if anybody has one.I = am also still looking for the perfect foot controller with note on/off = of course! ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BF24B3.1B3D2080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable < Hello loopers, One technical question: Here is how my = signal=20 flows: Guitar (synth readywith Gk2 buit in) = ---GR09=20 synth---Korg A2--- Roland GP 100---Boomerang looper---EDP--- Combo tube=20 Amplifier. I found that when i play without = going thru=20 the GR09 synth the signal sounds healthier clearer and stronger. Analog = fuzz=20 boxes which i also use dont have the same rich and thick sound when i go = out=20 from the Gk2 synth pick up.On the other hand i love combining the hi = tech synth=20 sounds with analog fuzz boxes or doing some synth textures and then = playing=20 analog sounds on top. I am still looking for the solution to = this maybe=20 routing things in a different way. I welcome any helpfull tips on this = if=20 anybody has one.I am also still looking for the perfect foot controller = with=20 note on/off of course! ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BF24B3.1B3D2080-- From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:10 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08475 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:10 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:26:30 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: "lahara mandala" X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank You Michael! The tape is me on bass and loops and Roland(of Bobdogs band "Psuedo Buddha"fame)on hand percussion.I was late sending them out and you may have forgotten asking for it:) I too,am grateful for your enthousiasm and would like to see another CTproject.It was great fun and you deserve alot of the credit for that:) On the computer based front;Ive been wondering how many people on the list have sent AIFF files through e-mail and would be interested in collaborating that way??? Scott Kungha Drengsen From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:10 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08476 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:10 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:26:02 -0800 From: Chris Chovit (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: quad looping X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I do quad looping, in a sense, in that I use both a stereo PA and stereo tube amp. This way i can loop non-guitar signals, thru the PA, and guitar signals thru the tube amp. I usually just devote a looping device to each channel though -- I have not used a joysttick or other type of panner. A fellow named Carl Malone, who used to live down here in the LA area, but moved up to Seattle area a few years ago to work for Mackie (and has since left Mackie to market his own hardware...) used to have a matrix type device, which he installed for large theatre productions. (I think he did the Starlight Express production in vegas). Using his hardware and software, you could: 1. Program the physical positions of all your speakers (up to 48, i think). 2. Use a joystick to have a signal come from some physical location in space. I think you could also process up to 48 individual signals in this way. The software would determine how much signal to send to each speaker, so as to create the effect that a particular sound would seem to come for a particular point in space, even if there wasn't a speaker there. This is pretty slick, but as you can imagine it was not cheap. I think he sold the hardware in units of 8 x 8, and you could link 6 of them together to get the 48 x 48. I'm not sure about this, though.... And I don't know if he is making them anymore...he has a new product now, which is a mixer-controller to be used as an interface with automated software mixers.... Anyone know of any 8 x 8 matrix VCA units (preferably midi controlled..)? - Chris >Stockhausen went as far as "Octophonic Looping" performed >live in a custom-equipped "theatre of the round" auditorium. >I've read that it was quite an experience - the added >dimension of motion giving a narrative power to the music. > >>Can anybody recommend some kind of joystick MIDI pan-pot? (What do you >call a >>quad pan-pot, anyhow?) > >Regarding Joystick control/panning, your best bet is a >CV-controlled X/Y mixer for your four inputs, and a joystick >controller. I'm not familiar with an off-the-shelf solution, >but there are modular synth manufacturers such as >MOTM www.synthtech.com who make modules that allow this >type of control over audio and voltage signals. > >Basically, you want to set-up a four-quadrant control matrix. > >Anyone else got experience with this? > >Regards, > >Larry > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dennis W. Leas >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 10:06 AM >Subject: quad looping > > >>Anybody doing quadraphonic looping? >> >>A combination of postings (to paraphrase - "Look into the SwitchBlade...", >"What >>kind of music would you make if you had all the equipment you wanted...", >et al) >>has made me start to spec out a quadraphonic looping system. It will >probably >>be years in the making. :( >> >>Defn: Quadraphonic looping - RT Looping played back through a system with >four >>independent power-amps/speakers. >> >> >>Dennis Leas >>----------------------------- >>dennis@mdbs.com >> >> >> From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:11 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08487 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:11 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:27:33 -0800 From: ENAT21213@aol.com (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: southeast loopers unite X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" myrtle beach s.c. brian electric bird noise http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html In a message dated 10/30/99 12:59:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, ltct@concentric.net writes: > I'm in Charlotte, North Carolina... > > >i'm in conyers, close to atlanta, lets jam! > > > >Christopher White wrote: > > > >> i am in atlanta... > >> > Well, Paolo, I'm afaid you and I are *it* for this area. Any other > *Tampa > >> >Bay* area loopers out there? Florida for that matter?? The southeast > US??? > >> > > >> >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > >> >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > >> > > >> >'Future Perfect' - art music > >> >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> I'm in the Bay Area... the Tampa Bay Area, that is. Yes, this is how > >> >> people in this part of Florida refer to the Tampa/St. > >> >> Petersburg/Clearwater/etc. section of the state. > >> >> > >> >> I take it this is not what you guys are talking about, but I'm just > >> >> checking anyway. > >> >> > >> >> Cheers, > >> >> Paolo > >> From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:11 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08488 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:11 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:27:49 -0800 From: postaldave (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Vortex auction... X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "I'm taking the plunge and selling one of my Vortexes... It's just been posted on eBay. This was one in mint cosmetic condition which was flat-rate refurbished by Lexicon. " what kind of loop time does this thing offer????/ postaldave@qx.net From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:11 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08500 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:11 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:28:32 -0800 From: zenchi@juno.com (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Signal routing X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The simple solution is to go from your guitar output jack directly into your analog signal path and either into a mixer or the aux in on the GR-09. You'd then keep the GK-2a in the synth position all the time. You'd control volume on board or via volume pedals. Scott Henderson used that method when he used a guitar synth. The two cables were velcro'd at a couple of different points. Another solution is to use some sort of line driver/ clean boost pedal (Matchless and TC Electronics are the only ones that come to mind) before the signal hits the first pedal. It could also be a defect in the guitar out of the GR-09. Hope that helps. Robert On Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:50:26 +0100 L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) writes: > Hello loopers, > > One technical question: Here is how my signal flows: > > Guitar (synth readywith Gk2 buit in) ---GR09 synth---Korg A2--- > Roland GP 100---Boomerang looper---EDP--- Combo tube Amplifier. > > I found that when i play without going thru the GR09 synth the > signal sounds healthier clearer and stronger. Analog fuzz boxes > which i also use dont have the same rich and thick sound when i go > out from the Gk2 synth pick up.On the other hand i love combining > the hi tech synth sounds with analog fuzz boxes or doing some synth > textures and then playing analog sounds on top. > I am still looking for the solution to this maybe routing things in > a different way. I welcome any helpfull tips on this if anybody has > one.I am also still looking for the perfect foot controller with > note on/off of course! > > From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:11 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08499 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:11 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:28:14 -0800 From: "Taaffe, Denis G" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: RE: Signal routing X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Well if it were me I would consider running the synth stuff from the g2 into a seperate stereo amp (2 keyboard amps?), so that will be stereo on either side of your combo tube amp which would have your main true guitar sounds. You could even use a chorus pedal to get some analog sounds "quasi stereo', if you use pedals on your synth outputs anyway. Just a thought.... Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- Guitar (synth readywith Gk2 buit in) ---GR09 synth---Korg A2--- Roland GP 100---Boomerang looper---EDP--- Combo tube Amplifier. I From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:12 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08511 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:12 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:37:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:29:15 -0800 From: Cummings (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: edp query X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think I'll repost my little edp question from a few days back - it probably went under during all of the flaming etc. - the oblique humor of my original post probably didn't help either :-) ... here goes: Dear loopers, A friend of mine has a query concerning the insert/ rehearse mode on his edp (with LOOP v5.0). When he switches his edp to INSERT mode, it only works as advertised the first time through. The second time through the edp behaves in normal looping mode, i.e. it simply creates a "closed" loop and doesn't allow further "rehearsals". Is this a bug or is there something wrong with his edp that needs tending to? thanks, rob From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:12 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08512 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:12 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:38:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:29:49 -0800 From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: "Double" Looper Functions? X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi there: I've been thinking about an idea I had, which would be useful if I were ever designing a looper (hardware or software). Imagine the following scenario: I have a short loop set up, filled with suitable sounds. It would be great if it were possible to multiply the loop in real-time, without glitching of any sort. So, if the original loop was 4 seconds, hitting the "double" footswitch would immediately, seamlessly, duplicate the loop, to 8 seconds. The effect would initially be inaudible, since I'd simply have the original loop playing twice, but I could then add more sounds, and duplicate again if necessary. It might even be possible to "triplicate", "octoclate" (?), etc. by sending different controller messages. An alternative version might involve duplicating the audio, but within the _same_ time, but offset by 50%. So, a note that sounded at 1 second into a 4 second loop, would be duplicated at the 3 second point. Comments, anyone? Or have I just restated the obvious? Brian Thomson bnt@email.com Looping: Gtr / Bass into Korg DL-8000R and IBM ThinkPad (offline looping) ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:12 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08523 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:12 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:38:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:34:23 -0800 From: "Mr. Tough" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: music X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The first thing that I can think of is MP3.com. They let you upload pretty much as many mp3's as you want. Also, they offer a pretty nice "record deal"--you let them make CD's out of your mp3's, you set the selling price, and you keep half of that price for each CD sold. (That's much better than many record contracts, which offer about $.50 for each CD sold.) No, I'm not paid to advertise for them. I just think that they're a great resource for music on the internet. (Especially if you can download fast!) Another great idea that I've seen around is offering CD's "free for trade". The idea is pretty simple really, and I'm sure you get the idea. All you need to do is declare that you'll offer your CD's free for trade. It's very useful that you describe what kind of music you do to ensure that everyone turns out happy. The Electric Friends offer their EP in progress "free for trade". It's about 25 minutes long and building slowly. You can hear us at www.mp3.com/electricfriends (heh heh, yah?) . We also have a bio in the "Loopers of the World" section of Looper's Delight. (Thanks Kim.) We make crappy experimental "pop" music. see? It's that easy! Mr. Tough >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: music >Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:15:30 EST > >we all create music........can we think of a way to share this with each >other in a non-computer down-loadable way.......some type of tape or cd >exchange, i have no idea of the logistics of this sort of thing but i would >be willing to work on such a project.......please send me your >ideas........there is too much un-heard music out there........this is >something i have been thinking about for a long time and this mornings gift >brought this idea to the forefront again........michael > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:12 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08524 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:12 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:38:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:34:45 -0800 From: "Javier Miranda V." (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: RE: quad looping X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A friend of mine told me of a quadraphonic radio station here in California in the early Seventies, when quadraphonic records started to come out. He told me they put together two different transmitters, each in stereo, of course, tuned to the same frequency, and your radio was supposed to mix and match, and you could hear the whole thing in your living room. Come to think of it, wouldn't it be great that you could have a worldwide concert where the bands are playing somewhere and you could set yourself up at home and listen in surround sound to the whole thing, as though you were sitting there? It would also help if you had one of those 64-inch flat-screen digital TVs. What about doing that in a movie theater? Movie theathers all over the world with live music from somewhere... OK, what about loopers playing the music? Wouldn't that be cool? | -----Original Message----- | From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] | Sent: Monday 01 November 1999 6:12 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: quad looping | | | At 09:50 AM 11/1/99 -0500, you wrote: | (What do you call a | >quad pan-pot, anyhow?) | | Back in 1969, The Pink Floyd were calling their surround-sound setup the | Azimuth Co-Ordinator System, although theirs was hexaphonic rather than | quad. (They had used a quad system as early as '67, at the | infamous Games | for May show at the Queen Elizabeth Hall, but the rear speakers | were stolen | by the audience!) A joystick could send a sound source (which was | frequently tape loops, to bring this on-topic!) panning around the hall. | The loop most often remembered (a wonder in itself) was the sound of | footsteps walking completely around the crowd. | | But if you called yours a quad pan pot, we'd know what you were | talking about! | | Tim | | From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:12 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08535 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:12 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:38:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:35:06 -0800 From: "Javier Miranda V." (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: RE: music X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What are you talking about, dude? You just finished that great Chain Tape project and I'm still listening to it -- lots of us are. What do you mean you have no idea of the logistics? You did a great job; you were a bit sick of it at the end, but you pulled it through. Anyway, keep me posted on anything else you want to work on. Javier | -----Original Message----- | From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] | Sent: Monday 01 November 1999 10:16 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: music | | | we all create music........can we think of a way to share this | with each | other in a non-computer down-loadable way.......some type of tape or cd | exchange, i have no idea of the logistics of this sort of thing | but i would | be willing to work on such a project.......please send me your | ideas........there is too much un-heard music out there........this is | something i have been thinking about for a long time and this | mornings gift | brought this idea to the forefront again........michael | | From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:12 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08536 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:12 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:38:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:35:23 -0800 From: Kim Flint (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: "Double" Looper Functions? X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is exactly what the multiply function in the echoplex does. Great idea, but Matthias thought of it sometime around 1985! It was implemented first in something he hacked together out of a Lexicon PCM42, then was implemented in his Paradis LoopDelay in '92, then of course in the Echoplex '94. Check out his story on the echoplex page: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/OBechoplexhistory.html It also lets you add material while you multiply, so it is very quick to get something like a 1 bar loop repeated 4 times with a 4 bar melody loop over the top. Check it out, the function has many more aspects that allow for all kinds of creative use. kim At 09:40 PM 11/1/99 -0500, Brian Thomson, London UK wrote: >Hi there: I've been thinking about an idea I had, which would be useful if I were ever designing a looper (hardware or software). > >Imagine the following scenario: I have a short loop set up, filled with suitable sounds. It would be great if it were possible to multiply the loop in real-time, without glitching of any sort. > >So, if the original loop was 4 seconds, hitting the "double" footswitch would immediately, seamlessly, duplicate the loop, to 8 seconds. The effect would initially be inaudible, since I'd simply have the original loop playing twice, but I could then add more sounds, and duplicate again if necessary. It might even be possible to "triplicate", "octoclate" (?), etc. by sending different controller messages. > >An alternative version might involve duplicating the audio, but within the _same_ time, but offset by 50%. So, a note that sounded at 1 second into a 4 second loop, would be duplicated at the 3 second point. > >Comments, anyone? Or have I just restated the obvious? > >Brian Thomson >bnt@email.com >Looping: Gtr / Bass into Korg DL-8000R and IBM ThinkPad (offline looping) >----------------------------------------------- >FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com >Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > ___________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-845-6383 Manager, System Engineering kflint@ati.com ATI Research, Inc. http://www.ati.com From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:13 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08547 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:13 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:38:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:36:43 -0800 From: L Tremblay (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: quad looping X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I had a Technics quadraphonic stereo system in the '70s. It was great when stations broadcast in quad, but it difficult and expensive to find quad records. :( - Larry -----Original Message----- From: Javier Miranda V. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 12:15 AM Subject: RE: quad looping >A friend of mine told me of a quadraphonic radio station here in California >in the early Seventies, when quadraphonic records started to come out. He >told me they put together two different transmitters, each in stereo, of >course, tuned to the same frequency, and your radio was supposed to mix and >match, and you could hear the whole thing in your living room. > >Come to think of it, wouldn't it be great that you could have a worldwide >concert where the bands are playing somewhere and you could set yourself up >at home and listen in surround sound to the whole thing, as though you were >sitting there? It would also help if you had one of those 64-inch >flat-screen digital TVs. What about doing that in a movie theater? Movie >theathers all over the world with live music from somewhere... OK, what >about loopers playing the music? Wouldn't that be cool? > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] > | Sent: Monday 01 November 1999 6:12 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: quad looping > | > | > | At 09:50 AM 11/1/99 -0500, you wrote: > | (What do you call a > | >quad pan-pot, anyhow?) > | > | Back in 1969, The Pink Floyd were calling their surround-sound setup the > | Azimuth Co-Ordinator System, although theirs was hexaphonic rather than > | quad. (They had used a quad system as early as '67, at the > | infamous Games > | for May show at the Queen Elizabeth Hall, but the rear speakers > | were stolen > | by the audience!) A joystick could send a sound source (which was > | frequently tape loops, to bring this on-topic!) panning around the hall. > | The loop most often remembered (a wonder in itself) was the sound of > | footsteps walking completely around the crowd. > | > | But if you called yours a quad pan pot, we'd know what you were > | talking about! > | > | Tim > | > | > > From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:40:13 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08548 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:40:13 -0500 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK0051AAMAL8@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:38:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:37:03 -0800 From: Stan Card (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: "Double" Looper Functions? X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" RE:HEAR HERE!!!Being a lover of both units:PCM42+ECHOPLEX I concur completely...Those who have not enjoyed the beauty of these 2 musical boxes-I feel sad...I am an 8 bar guy myself,using the click track out of the 42...anyone else in this euphoric situation?...sadly...stannerthemanner... ---------- >From: Kim Flint >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: "Double" Looper Functions? >Date: Mon, Nov 1, 1999, 9:50 PM > > This is exactly what the multiply function in the echoplex does. Great idea, > but Matthias thought of it sometime around 1985! It was implemented first in > something he hacked together out of a Lexicon PCM42, then was implemented in > his Paradis LoopDelay in '92, then of course in the Echoplex '94. > > Check out his story on the echoplex page: > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/OBechoplexhistory.html > > It also lets you add material while you multiply, so it is very quick to get > something like a 1 bar loop repeated 4 times with a 4 bar melody loop over > the top. Check it out, the function has many more aspects that allow for all > kinds of creative use. > > kim > > > At 09:40 PM 11/1/99 -0500, Brian Thomson, London UK wrote: >>Hi there: I've been thinking about an idea I had, which would be useful if > I were ever designing a looper (hardware or software). >> >>Imagine the following scenario: I have a short loop set up, filled with > suitable sounds. It would be great if it were possible to multiply the loop > in real-time, without glitching of any sort. >> >>So, if the original loop was 4 seconds, hitting the "double" footswitch > would immediately, seamlessly, duplicate the loop, to 8 seconds. The effect > would initially be inaudible, since I'd simply have the original loop > playing twice, but I could then add more sounds, and duplicate again if > necessary. It might even be possible to "triplicate", "octoclate" (?), etc. > by sending different controller messages. >> >>An alternative version might involve duplicating the audio, but within the > _same_ time, but offset by 50%. So, a note that sounded at 1 second into a 4 > second loop, would be duplicated at the 3 second point. >> >>Comments, anyone? Or have I just restated the obvious? >> >>Brian Thomson >>bnt@email.com >>Looping: Gtr / Bass into Korg DL-8000R and IBM ThinkPad (offline looping) >>----------------------------------------------- >>FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com >>Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com >> >> >> >> > ___________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-845-6383 > Manager, System Engineering kflint@ati.com > ATI Research, Inc. http://www.ati.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 03:39:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08399; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:39:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:39:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <381EA1D3.F673B33A@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:33:23 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: which echo unit? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wQ3QO1.0.lf1.k7g7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi. I'm interested to hear your recommendations for delay unit. I say 'delay' rather than 'loop' - currently I borrow a friend's JamMan when needed and I only ever use it in echo mode, ie. just as a very long delay. The Headrush looks pretty nice... cheers, -- Os os@scee.sony.co.uk os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 07:03:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10990; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:03:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:03:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991102064656.007a81a0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 06:46:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: music In-Reply-To: <19991102023158.72563.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iLtnx3.0.O42.W-i7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:31 PM 11/1/99 PST, you wrote: >The first thing that I can think of is MP3.com. >Mr. Tough > But Michael wrote: ...can we think of a way to share this with each >>other in a non-computer down-loadable way...........michael i.e., NOT as mpegs, AIFFs, WAVs, etc., but rather tape or audio CD. While this may be related to the "Fear of Technology" thread, this also became a point of contention during the Chain Tape project, as some of us are using elderly, amnesiac turtles of computers and would not be able to participate otherwise. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 07:43:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18273; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:43:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:43:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <381EA1D3.F673B33A@scee.sony.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:37:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: which echo unit? Resent-Message-ID: <"acyfJ1.0.pF4.tij7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Definitely the Headrush, esp. if cost is a concern. I use mine as a continuous "tapeloop"-type delay and you can get 24 sec. out of it. Plus, it has the best audio spec of any of the devices mentioned on the list. Nothing fancy, though--mono, no sort of sync possibility. Does have an adjustable filter for that oldtime mush.... David Myers >Hi. > >I'm interested to hear your recommendations for delay unit. I say >'delay' rather than 'loop' - currently I borrow a friend's JamMan when >needed and I only ever use it in echo mode, ie. just as a very long >delay. > >The Headrush looks pretty nice... > > >cheers, >-- >Os >os@scee.sony.co.uk >os@collective.co.uk >http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 09:33:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07937; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:33:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:33:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004a01bf253e$a71e15b0$914badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: which echo unit? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:29:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"3jsGi2.0.xX1.IJl7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Headrush. Cost/performance ratio is the best for a single peice of gear. Simple interface and tape-like looping. Mine just came in the other day. The quality is fantastic. I need a little more time with it to form a definitive opinion but seems like a great value. They're only $170! Hard to go wrong. Larry -----Original Message----- From: Os To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 3:56 AM Subject: which echo unit? >Hi. > >I'm interested to hear your recommendations for delay unit. I say >'delay' rather than 'loop' - currently I borrow a friend's JamMan when >needed and I only ever use it in echo mode, ie. just as a very long >delay. > >The Headrush looks pretty nice... > > >cheers, >-- >Os >os@scee.sony.co.uk >os@collective.co.uk >http://www.collective.co.uk/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 09:39:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09412; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:39:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:39:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <03d201bf253e$fd049800$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: quad looping Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:31:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"O6a_w.0.cu1.yNl7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for all the suggestions regarding quad panpots, etc. Keep 'em coming! I settled on quad as a compromise between portability and ability to immerse the audience in sound. Currently, it takes me a long time to set-up, primarily due to the number of instruments I like to use. [Approximately 2 hours each time I move the stuff. One gig means 8 hours cumulative "overhead" time: 2 hours for studio to van (strike studio), 2 hours for van to gig space (set-up gig), 2 hours for gig back to van (strike gig), 2 hours for van back to studio (set-up studio). Perhaps I should seek professional help. :) Perhaps I should take up the piccolo. Perhaps I'm jealous of you guitarists with your "15 minute, one trip carries all, and I still whine about it" messages. ] So I'm not scared of a little more additional time, but I don't want to go overboard! :) Besides, if I'm used to quad, in a pinch I could probably make do with stereo. The more output channels I add, the increasingly harder this "downsizing" would be. I want to create music (for lack of a better term) that must be experienced live. Although you could record four channels, most people don't have the equipment. I'm thinking that I could convert a joystick (from Digi-key or Jameco) to produce 4 continuous controller midi data streams. These would feed a SwitchBlade unit and enable quad panning of a given input. With the proper tools (probably some programming on a laptop), I can share the quad panpot among different inputs. The laptop would permit animation of the panning as well. I'm thinking that a Peavey PC1600x would work well for controlling the laptop which would then control everything else. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: L Tremblay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 1:12 AM Subject: Re: quad looping >I had a Technics quadraphonic stereo system in the '70s. It was >great when stations broadcast in quad, but it difficult and expensive >to find quad records. :( > >- Larry > >-----Original Message----- >From: Javier Miranda V. >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 12:15 AM >Subject: RE: quad looping > > >>A friend of mine told me of a quadraphonic radio station here in California >>in the early Seventies, when quadraphonic records started to come out. He >>told me they put together two different transmitters, each in stereo, of >>course, tuned to the same frequency, and your radio was supposed to mix and >>match, and you could hear the whole thing in your living room. >> >>Come to think of it, wouldn't it be great that you could have a worldwide >>concert where the bands are playing somewhere and you could set yourself up >>at home and listen in surround sound to the whole thing, as though you were >>sitting there? It would also help if you had one of those 64-inch >>flat-screen digital TVs. What about doing that in a movie theater? Movie >>theathers all over the world with live music from somewhere... OK, what >>about loopers playing the music? Wouldn't that be cool? >> >> | -----Original Message----- >> | From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] >> | Sent: Monday 01 November 1999 6:12 PM >> | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> | Subject: Re: quad looping >> | >> | >> | At 09:50 AM 11/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >> | (What do you call a >> | >quad pan-pot, anyhow?) >> | >> | Back in 1969, The Pink Floyd were calling their surround-sound setup >the >> | Azimuth Co-Ordinator System, although theirs was hexaphonic rather than >> | quad. (They had used a quad system as early as '67, at the >> | infamous Games >> | for May show at the Queen Elizabeth Hall, but the rear speakers >> | were stolen >> | by the audience!) A joystick could send a sound source (which was >> | frequently tape loops, to bring this on-topic!) panning around the >hall. >> | The loop most often remembered (a wonder in itself) was the sound of >> | footsteps walking completely around the crowd. >> | >> | But if you called yours a quad pan pot, we'd know what you were >> | talking about! >> | >> | Tim >> | >> | >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 09:56:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13519; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:56:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:56:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <03f801bf2541$5c02c2d0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: edp query Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:48:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"PQS2o.0.hr2.ndl7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Rob, I use INSERT quite frequently, though I have INSERTMODE set to INSERT. It works fine for me. Reading your message, I find I don't quite follow exactly what your friend is doing. Could you give the sequence of EDP actions in more detail? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 10:23:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20394; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:23:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:23:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <381EF140.A7802BD2@cdm.sfai.edu> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 07:12:17 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Organization: San Francisco Art Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Resent-Message-ID: <"_gMth.0.aL4.1zl7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What if we created a central site where we all post our music in the MP3 format? I've been looking at web hosts, and it seems like you can get a ton of space on a pretty fast server (very important for things like large A/V files) for not too much cash. I've seen prices range from $8.95 to $19.95 a month. I don't know about the rest of you, but my music tends to be anywhere from 10 to 20 minutes per piece, and often has accompanying video. This means large, slow to download files. I've recently signed up for ATT's @Home cable service and it's pretty sweet. Click then hear... Unless the server your downloading from sucks/busy. Anyway, if anything a project would get me off my ass and make me start recording my music (I'll often pull a Tibetan monk deal and after looping for a while I'll just kill the power and loose it all... dissipated into the universe...) I'd love to help design the site, as well. Mark Sottilaro Multimedia Specialist Center for Digital Media San Francisco Art Institute (415) 771-7020 ext. 4411 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 09:57:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13658; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:57:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:57:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007201bf2540$6c450320$914badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: "Loopers" Subject: DIY Dual X (or Y) Joystick article Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:41:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZdWud1.0.JS2.BVl7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FYI - for those who want to know. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/The_Analog_Cottage/dualxjoy.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 11:46:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05750; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:46:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:46:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f In-Reply-To: <03d201bf253e$fd049800$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 2.3 x-sender: matt@mail1.xoom.com Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:37:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matt Peterson Subject: Re(2): quad looping Message-Id: <19991102083710.021861@smtp.xoom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AN7hl3.0.uq._Bn7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dennis, if you ever get out to San Francisco, definitely check out the Audium (1616 Bush St.) Stan Schaff started doing multiple speaker "sound sculptures" in 1960 and still gives weekly performances. He's up to 169 speakers, but luckily, doesn't have to strike or set-up. If you get a chance to go, plan for a few hours of conversation with Stan after the show. He loves to talk about sound, space and music. http://www.audium.org On Tue, Nov 2, 1999, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >Thanks for all the suggestions regarding quad panpots, etc. Keep 'em coming! > >I settled on quad as a compromise between portability and ability to immerse >the >audience in sound. Currently, it takes me a long time to set-up, primarily >due >to the number of instruments I like to use. [Approximately 2 hours each time >I >move the stuff. One gig means 8 hours cumulative "overhead" time: 2 hours for >studio to van (strike studio), 2 hours for van to gig space (set-up gig), 2 >hours for gig back to van (strike gig), 2 hours for van back to studio (set-up >studio). Perhaps I should seek professional help. :) Perhaps I should take >up >the piccolo. Perhaps I'm jealous of you guitarists with your "15 minute, one >trip carries all, and I still whine about it" messages. ] So I'm not scared >of >a little more additional time, but I don't want to go overboard! :) Besides, >if >I'm used to quad, in a pinch I could probably make do with stereo. The more >output channels I add, the increasingly harder this "downsizing" would be. > >I want to create music (for lack of a better term) that must be experienced >live. Although you could record four channels, most people don't have the >equipment. > >I'm thinking that I could convert a joystick (from Digi-key or Jameco) to >produce 4 continuous controller midi data streams. These would feed a >SwitchBlade unit and enable quad panning of a given input. With the proper >tools (probably some programming on a laptop), I can share the quad panpot >among >different inputs. The laptop would permit animation of the panning as well. >I'm thinking that a Peavey PC1600x would work well for controlling the laptop >which would then control everything else. > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: L Tremblay >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 1:12 AM >Subject: Re: quad looping > > >>I had a Technics quadraphonic stereo system in the '70s. It was >>great when stations broadcast in quad, but it difficult and expensive >>to find quad records. :( >> >>- Larry >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Javier Miranda V. >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 12:15 AM >>Subject: RE: quad looping >> >> >>>A friend of mine told me of a quadraphonic radio station here in California >>>in the early Seventies, when quadraphonic records started to come out. He >>>told me they put together two different transmitters, each in stereo, of >>>course, tuned to the same frequency, and your radio was supposed to mix and >>>match, and you could hear the whole thing in your living room. >>> >>>Come to think of it, wouldn't it be great that you could have a worldwide >>>concert where the bands are playing somewhere and you could set yourself up >>>at home and listen in surround sound to the whole thing, as though you were >>>sitting there? It would also help if you had one of those 64-inch >>>flat-screen digital TVs. What about doing that in a movie theater? Movie >>>theathers all over the world with live music from somewhere... OK, what >>>about loopers playing the music? Wouldn't that be cool? >>> >>> | -----Original Message----- >>> | From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] >>> | Sent: Monday 01 November 1999 6:12 PM >>> | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>> | Subject: Re: quad looping >>> | >>> | >>> | At 09:50 AM 11/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >>> | (What do you call a >>> | >quad pan-pot, anyhow?) >>> | >>> | Back in 1969, The Pink Floyd were calling their surround-sound setup >>the >>> | Azimuth Co-Ordinator System, although theirs was hexaphonic rather than >>> | quad. (They had used a quad system as early as '67, at the >>> | infamous Games >>> | for May show at the Queen Elizabeth Hall, but the rear speakers >>> | were stolen >>> | by the audience!) A joystick could send a sound source (which was >>> | frequently tape loops, to bring this on-topic!) panning around the >>hall. >>> | The loop most often remembered (a wonder in itself) was the sound of >>> | footsteps walking completely around the crowd. >>> | >>> | But if you called yours a quad pan pot, we'd know what you were >>> | talking about! >>> | >>> | Tim >>> | >>> | >>> >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 11:57:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08216; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:57:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:57:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:39:44 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, os@scee.sony.co.uk Subject: Re: which echo unit? Resent-Message-ID: <"kroRs3.0.I71.5Hn7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's a new TC Electronic "budget" unit called the D-Two coming out... rumor is that street price will be right at $500 american buckolas. It has 10 secs of *stereo* delay and a hold function. Reverse on the fly, filtering for a more analog sound, chorus/flange and from the ad copy a very full featured multi-tap tempo delay feature... it's midi as well. I'm really crossing my fingers on this one. Should ship in late November according to TC U.S. Best Regards, Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> Os 11/02 12:36 AM >>> Hi. I'm interested to hear your recommendations for delay unit. I say 'delay' rather than 'loop' - currently I borrow a friend's JamMan when needed and I only ever use it in echo mode, ie. just as a very long delay. The Headrush looks pretty nice... cheers, -- Os os@scee.sony.co.uk os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 12:06:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10613; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:06:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:06:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002201bf2552$4dbf4570$474badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: , Subject: Re: music Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:49:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"mvSFl1.0.kT1.zNn7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >What if we created a central site where we all post our music in the MP3 >format? >I don't know about the rest of you, but my music tends to be anywhere >from 10 to 20 minutes per piece, and often has accompanying video. This >means large, slow to download files. Not a bad idea but only folks with killer computers and a megabit connection to the Web would be able to enjoy such a high-bandwidth site. Kinda limiting, I think. - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 12:23:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14291; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:23:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:23:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:19:26 -0800 (PST) From: James Pearce X-Sender: jamesrp@iris To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: os@scee.sony.co.uk Subject: Re: which echo unit? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qL78S.0.FA3.jon7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com is there a url for this unit or further online information? On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Mike Biffle wrote: |There's a new TC Electronic "budget" unit called the D-Two coming |out... rumor is that street price will be right at $500 american |buckolas. It has 10 secs of *stereo* delay and a hold function. |Reverse on the fly, filtering for a more analog sound, chorus/flange |and from the ad copy a very full featured multi-tap tempo delay |feature... it's midi as well. I'm really crossing my fingers on this |one. Should ship in late November according to TC U.S. | |Best Regards, |Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." |mbiffle@svg.com | |>>> Os 11/02 12:36 AM >>> |Hi. | |I'm interested to hear your recommendations for delay unit. I say |'delay' rather than 'loop' - currently I borrow a friend's JamMan |when |needed and I only ever use it in echo mode, ie. just as a very long |delay. | |The Headrush looks pretty nice... | | |cheers, |-- |Os |os@scee.sony.co.uk |os@collective.co.uk |http://www.collective.co.uk/ | | _______________________________________________________________________ James R. Pearce jamesrp@statenet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 12:45:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19739; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:45:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:45:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:27:43 -0600 Subject: tc D-Two specs? From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GwocA2.0.lo3.oyn7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Where'd you see that it's got MIDI? I couldn't find that on the website, and I e-mailed them a few weeks ago and still haven't heard anything back. TH > > |There's a new TC Electronic "budget" unit called the D-Two coming > |out... rumor is that street price will be right at $500 american > |buckolas. It has 10 secs of *stereo* delay and a hold function. > |Reverse on the fly, filtering for a more analog sound, chorus/flange > |and from the ad copy a very full featured multi-tap tempo delay > |feature... it's midi as well. I'm really crossing my fingers on this > |one. Should ship in late November according to TC U.S. > | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 12:54:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22079; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:54:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:54:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: bedwellm@WellsFargo.COM Message-ID: <5BA4EAE4ACF6D211BC540001FA7EB196D0C814@xcem-casfo-11.wellsfargo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: music Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:30:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"_JJW5.0.s04.u_n7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a whole Realjukebox full of MP3 from this site. There is so much good music flying under the radar - so, too speak. N.P. "Muffle" by Hoover Micah > -----Original Message----- > From: Mr. Tough [SMTP:electricfriends@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 6:32 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: music > > The first thing that I can think of is MP3.com. > > They let you upload pretty much as many mp3's as you want. Also, they > offer > a pretty nice "record deal"--you let them make CD's out of your mp3's, you > > set the selling price, and you keep half of that price for each CD sold. > (That's much better than many record contracts, which offer about $.50 for > > each CD sold.) No, I'm not paid to advertise for them. I just think that > they're a great resource for music on the internet. (Especially if you can > > download fast!) > > Another great idea that I've seen around is offering CD's "free for > trade". > The idea is pretty simple really, and I'm sure you get the idea. All you > need to do is declare that you'll offer your CD's free for trade. It's > very > useful that you describe what kind of music you do to ensure that everyone > > turns out happy. > > The Electric Friends offer their EP in progress "free for trade". It's > about > 25 minutes long and building slowly. You can hear us at > www.mp3.com/electricfriends (heh heh, yah?) . We also have a bio in the > "Loopers of the World" section of Looper's Delight. (Thanks Kim.) We make > crappy experimental "pop" music. > > see? It's that easy! > > Mr. Tough > > > >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: music > >Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:15:30 EST > > > >we all create music........can we think of a way to share this with each > >other in a non-computer down-loadable way.......some type of tape or cd > >exchange, i have no idea of the logistics of this sort of thing but i > would > >be willing to work on such a project.......please send me your > >ideas........there is too much un-heard music out there........this is > >something i have been thinking about for a long time and this mornings > gift > >brought this idea to the forefront again........michael > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 13:22:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29096; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:22:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:22:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002201bf2552$4dbf4570$474badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:08:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: music Resent-Message-ID: <"taeSa1.0.FU6.Tbo7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been thinking of upgrading the Loopers of the World site. Perhaps I could add an "MP3-link" field, which would link to MP3 files on each of our sites. That way, we wouldn't need to upgrade the server space. I could also set up some features, like a MP3 page that just listed all the MP3 links, or a button that plays a random one.... anyone have any thoughts on this? - Chris >>What if we created a central site where we all post our music in the MP3 >>format? > >>I don't know about the rest of you, but my music tends to be anywhere >>from 10 to 20 minutes per piece, and often has accompanying video. This >>means large, slow to download files. > >Not a bad idea but only folks with killer computers and a >megabit connection to the Web would be able to enjoy such a >high-bandwidth site. > >Kinda limiting, I think. > >- Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 13:23:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29773; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:23:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:23:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19981009184305.27118.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:12:47 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: jokes and contents Resent-Message-ID: <"FkJY63.0.R76.0Wo7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In the "loopmuse" thread it seams like we are forced to talk about looping. I dont think so. I would not mind to receive less mails/day. Feel free to just wait until some interesting subject pushes you - as long as its more or less about looping ;-) Not all is new: A lot has been said brilliantely in the three years of this lists existence and is till valid. If you dont receive as many interesting mails as you would like to read, go to the archive on the site! In the beginning, I condensed the interesting mails into text files for future readers (should be somewhere on the site, still). Those who read in the archive now can do a very good job with little effort: Select the "timeless", strong contributions while you read through the archive and offer them to the next visitors as a separate "Review" file! (Kim will put it up for you, right?). You may even post such Review for the members that came later. After all, to each "movement", there is a constant base knowledge (...tradition) and actual improvements (news) >>Does anybody know if loop machines, delays, reverbs etc. will be >affected by the >>Y2K bug? >> >>Miguel >> >> >Oh, my...... >Unless the device has a dedicated imbedded chip that checks a system >date, there is no need to worry. >Currently I am a Programmer working at a client site, and my only task >is to make Systems Y2K complient......so I have some idea what I am >talking about. :-) Miguel leads a division for softengineering in Sao Paulo, so he might have made a joke here... I like to read all the fun contributions and have a great laugh sometimes. Then again, I dont have time for this really. Maybe we should mark the jokes better to diminuish missunderstandings and save time of some members? While we are at it: Sometimes I loose good contributions because the subject is not acurate any more. A thread often brings up new ones and in my opinion its better to change the subject for those who do not read all (like this one: if I had left the Y2K, most would have trashed it yawning - as you may do now ;-) Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 13:25:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30200; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:25:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:25:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <03f801bf2541$5c02c2d0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:10:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Echoplex reapair question Resent-Message-ID: <"8_aM01.0.zT6.Rbo7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looks like one of Anton's EDP's is on the fritz...Does anyone know the status of EDP repair in the current Gibson paradigm? Are they taking units for repair? Are they sending them back REPAIRED in a reasonable time? Thanks, Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 14:26:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12775; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:26:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:26:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 10:55:15 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, jamesrp@statenet.com Cc: os@scee.sony.co.uk Subject: Re: which echo unit? Resent-Message-ID: <"CTLes2.0.jX1.zHp7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.tcelectronic.com/ Just click on the two dsp's below the top picture... There's also about the same info in a TC press release on the home page at Harmony Central with bigger pictures... Best Regards, Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> James Pearce 11/02 9:21 AM >>> is there a url for this unit or further online information? On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Mike Biffle wrote: |There's a new TC Electronic "budget" unit called the D-Two coming |out... rumor is that street price will be right at $500 american |buckolas. It has 10 secs of *stereo* delay and a hold function. |Reverse on the fly, filtering for a more analog sound, chorus/flange |and from the ad copy a very full featured multi-tap tempo delay |feature... it's midi as well. I'm really crossing my fingers on this |one. Should ship in late November according to TC U.S. | |Best Regards, |Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." |mbiffle@svg.com | |>>> Os 11/02 12:36 AM >>> |Hi. | |I'm interested to hear your recommendations for delay unit. I say |'delay' rather than 'loop' - currently I borrow a friend's JamMan |when |needed and I only ever use it in echo mode, ie. just as a very long |delay. | |The Headrush looks pretty nice... | | |cheers, |-- |Os |os@scee.sony.co.uk |os@collective.co.uk |http://www.collective.co.uk/ | | _______________________________________________________________________ James R. Pearce jamesrp@statenet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 14:31:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14196; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:31:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:31:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BF256F.AFC760A0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: music Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:18:39 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k3wbS1.0.bU2.2Yp7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I've been thinking of upgrading the Loopers of the World site. hero. > could add an "MP3-link" field, which would link to MP3 files on each of our > sites. That way, we wouldn't need to upgrade the server space. I could > also set up some features, like a MP3 page that just listed all the MP3 > links, or a button that plays a random one.... anyone have any thoughts on > this? Not bad, but please don't omit the other formats - e.g. I haven't got any MP3s on my site, only realaudio. * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 14:28:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13087; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:28:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:28:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 10:58:12 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, hartne.t@apple.com Subject: Re: tc D-Two specs? Resent-Message-ID: <"Hg_ij2.0.-b1.OJp7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I called TC U.S. and talked with Simon... he said full midi cc patchable. It has a hold function for really locking in those juicy segments... He was unable to tell me if they've patched a cc to delay input level, so it may still be something which needs to be on an aux buss with a stereo volume pedal to control signal sent to it. This is all unconfirmed of course, but it did come from a TC employee. It's still in final test and not ready to ship yet... Stay tuned! Best Regards, Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> Travis Hartnett 11/02 9:43 AM >>> Where'd you see that it's got MIDI? I couldn't find that on the website, and I e-mailed them a few weeks ago and still haven't heard anything back. TH > > |There's a new TC Electronic "budget" unit called the D-Two coming > |out... rumor is that street price will be right at $500 american > |buckolas. It has 10 secs of *stereo* delay and a hold function. > |Reverse on the fly, filtering for a more analog sound, chorus/flange > |and from the ad copy a very full featured multi-tap tempo delay > |feature... it's midi as well. I'm really crossing my fingers on this > |one. Should ship in late November according to TC U.S. > | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 14:26:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12773; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:26:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:26:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911021854.MAA11535168@smtppop2.gte.net> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: music Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:00:15 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s-lOw2.0.JN1.0Hp7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Speaking of the Loopers of the World site- I long ago forgot my password so I can't quite update my profile. Is there any way to figure out what it is? Dave Eichenberger Guitars.Loops.Devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > I've been thinking of upgrading the Loopers of the World site. > - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 14:26:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12787; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:26:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:26:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 10:59:16 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, cho@newdream.net Subject: Re: music Resent-Message-ID: <"wRXzc2.0.rf1.8Lp7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think it would be great... that'll get me motivated to actually get something up there! >>> Chris Chovit 11/02 10:17 AM >>> I've been thinking of upgrading the Loopers of the World site. Perhaps I could add an "MP3-link" field, which would link to MP3 files on each of our sites. That way, we wouldn't need to upgrade the server space. I could also set up some features, like a MP3 page that just listed all the MP3 links, or a button that plays a random one.... anyone have any thoughts on this? - Chris >>What if we created a central site where we all post our music in the MP3 >>format? > >>I don't know about the rest of you, but my music tends to be anywhere >>from 10 to 20 minutes per piece, and often has accompanying video. This >>means large, slow to download files. > >Not a bad idea but only folks with killer computers and a >megabit connection to the Web would be able to enjoy such a >high-bandwidth site. > >Kinda limiting, I think. > >- Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 15:15:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25047; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:15:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:15:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <381F3942.8133CDF7@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 20:19:30 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: edp query References: <03f801bf2541$5c02c2d0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kJAjW.0.Pr4.M5q7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Dennis and thanks for your help, He's apparently using it with INSERT mode set to REHEARSE. He claims that the edp is supposed to allow him to hear the loop back once before allowing him to replace it with the next "rehearsal". His problem is that the edp only performs one rehearsal cycle - after this his loop is "frozen". Is this proper behaviour? I apologize if my description is inadequate - I'm trying to summarize this based on his account - I don't have an edp myself :-( Thanks, Rob Dennis W. Leas schrieb: > Hi Rob, > > I use INSERT quite frequently, though I have INSERTMODE set to INSERT. It works > fine for me. Reading your message, I find I don't quite follow exactly what > your friend is doing. Could you give the sequence of EDP actions in more > detail? > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 15:43:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00331; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:43:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:43:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <381F3C90.191F1080@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 20:33:36 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: kaoss pad? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uW1fG1.0.Ir4.M5q7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anyone tried out the korg kaoss pad as a controller? I've heard that the internal delay time is fixed and it only has a midi out - no midi in. Thanks, Rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 15:36:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30525; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:36:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:36:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002101bf2570$3ceb9460$0822dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <002201bf2552$4dbf4570$474badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Subject: MP3 posting (was: music) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:24:16 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"e4Mt62.0.pz6.0bq7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have to agree on the size of our files at least. I'm sure we all have our short pieces from :02 to 1:15 or so, but they don't constitute the majority of our work, such that posting the short ones wouldn't do justice to the long pieces... My version of The Star Spangled Banner is in the neighborhood of 7 minutes, and is nearly as many MB to listen/download, thus prohibitive to most folks as we know. The downloading and use of MP3s is brought to our attention a good deal by the established music biz, via the "news" media, as if legions of people are buying Rios and other units to play the songs posted online. Think of this perhaps, that the so-called "threat" of MP3 posting might be just a hook of understanding for many music biz oldsters, upon which they hang the blame for less-than-super sales of an increasingly mediocre Product. This has happened with other technologies and the established Entertainment Biz before: remember the Beta and ultimately VHS Wars? Or perhaps the Biz' attempts to keep DAT from US consumers in the 80s? Perhaps MP3 is a way to snub the old, corrupt methods of selling music. Perhaps it's a subterfuge designed to distract these legions of potential thieves and pirates (us, that is) from really being able to compete with the established Biz. Perhaps it's just another file format that the Biz has gotten upset about, and not an issue in reality. I have to admit I like MP3 right now as it develops, but I wouldn't rely upon it for music posting because of the sheer size. I imagine better compression will be available in the future, and I wait for a chance to stop using Real altogether for my music posting. In the meantime I'm experimenting with On-Demand Producer to produce ASF files that compete with the RMs on basis of compression and sound quality, as well as video processing. All one needs is the already-present Media Player to see this stuff, which is available and free - and doesn't include come-ons or hidden installations for someone's Messaging Service in its upgrades. > >I don't know about the rest of you, but my music tends to be anywhere > >from 10 to 20 minutes per piece, and often has accompanying video. This > >means large, slow to download files. L Tremblay put forth: > Not a bad idea but only folks with killer computers and a > megabit connection to the Web would be able to enjoy such a > high-bandwidth site. It remains to be seen just how many people actually have a higher-than-56k access to Das Infobahn - and having a 350MHz, 128MB K6-2 doesn't help, if the pipeline is still so small. This relegates the MP3 material we produce to a limited market, potentially, and one we know relatively nothing about, beyond the shrill announcements from the music biz. Then again, Comdex (or as they call it this year, ".COMdex") is with us again. What outlandish stuff awaits those who go? Is anyone from this list going? If so, please give us a report of what you see in the above regard! Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear NEW music 11/1 here!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 15:48:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02091; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:48:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:48:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19991102203508.0196d348@pop> X-Sender: kflint@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:35:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp query Resent-Message-ID: <"GLbQX3.0.0U7.Tjq7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:19 PM 11/2/99 +0100, Cummings wrote: >Hello Dennis and thanks for your help, > >He's apparently using it with INSERT mode set to REHEARSE. He claims that the edp is >supposed to allow him to hear the loop back once before allowing him to replace it >with the next "rehearsal". His problem is that the edp only performs one rehearsal >cycle - after this his loop is "frozen". > >Is this proper behaviour? Rob, this is how Rehearse mode is supposed to work. It let's you practice an idea before you lock it into a loop. His unit is working fine. kim ___________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-845-6383 Manager, System Engineering kflint@ati.com ATI Research, Inc. http://www.ati.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 15:49:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02208; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:49:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:49:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.428ffc49.2550a67f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:41:35 EST Subject: Re: Random Loop Mutation To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 137 Resent-Message-ID: <"3MBoy2.0.Lt7.voq7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > More suggestions for random mutation please! ..............Vortex From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 16:10:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08275; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:10:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:10:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004b01bf2574$8ad96400$416fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: Subject: Re: which echo unit? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:55:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"WsoZk.0.1N1.84r7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "There's a new TC Electronic "budget" unit called the D-Two coming out... rumor is that street price will be right at $500 american buckolas. It has 10 secs of *stereo* delay and a hold function. Reverse on the fly, filtering for a more analog sound, chorus/flange and from the ad copy a very full featured multi-tap tempo delay feature... it's midi as well. I'm really crossing my fingers on this one. Should ship in late November according to TC U.S. " if boomerang would come up with their upgrade it would make ten sec. but than again your waiting for that i'm waiting for the new 'rang and everyone else is waiting for the echoplex. it would seem the music companies have really dropped the ball in regards to looping. postaldave@qx.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 16:10:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08338; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:10:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:10:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005901bf2574$af4a9d40$416fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: Subject: Re: tc D-Two specs? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:56:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"L-GBV2.0.DO1.a4r7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "I e-mailed them a few weeks ago and still haven't heard anything back." must be the same people answering emails for alesis.lol From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 16:14:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09604; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:14:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:14:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.527928f7.2550a67e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:41:34 EST Subject: Re: Vortex auction... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 137 Resent-Message-ID: <"h7L_l.0.Xt7.voq7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 01/11/99 21:34:12 GMT Standard Time, postaldave@qx.net writes: > what kind of loop time does this thing offer????/ all together now....... two seconds of looping time or 2x 1second loops using the right patch not much loop time, but the Vortex can do things to a loop that nothing else can, (except for some of the v.pricey lex gear). before its slip into non-availabity the vortex was much raved about on this list. (yes you want one) Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 16:14:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09532; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:14:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:14:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:06:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jeffery Hildebrand X-Sender: jscotth@runner.ucdavis.edu To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: bay area loopers; Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"U3jUj2.0.lm1.7Ar7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this is a weird request, but i might as well: i'm a 19 year old working at the guitar center in concord, and i need a place to stay temporarily until i go to school in january. i'll be moving up to sacramento in december, so i would just need a place for 2 months. if anybody has any ideas, please let me know. thanks, scott From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 17:01:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21834; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:01:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:01:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004601bf257a$91d53490$e04badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: "Stephen Goodman" , Subject: Re: MP3 posting (was: music) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:38:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"-r78v2.0.Ek3.Obr7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In all fairness, the MP3 format is not really intended as an online, bandwidth-friendly format. It's supposed to replace the bricks and mortar music distribution system of the last 60 years or so. RealAudio, on the other hand *is* geared toward online use, however, with a compromise in audio quality. - Larry -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Goodman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 3:51 PM Subject: MP3 posting (was: music) >I have to agree on the size of our files at least. I'm sure we all have our >short pieces from :02 to 1:15 or so, but they don't constitute the majority >of our work, such that posting the short ones wouldn't do justice to the >long pieces... My version of The Star Spangled Banner is in the neighborhood >of 7 minutes, and is nearly as many MB to listen/download, thus prohibitive >to most folks as we know. > >The downloading and use of MP3s is brought to our attention a good deal by >the established music biz, via the "news" media, as if legions of people are >buying Rios and other units to play the songs posted online. Think of this >perhaps, that the so-called "threat" of MP3 posting might be just a hook of >understanding for many music biz oldsters, upon which they hang the blame >for less-than-super sales of an increasingly mediocre Product. This has >happened with other technologies and the established Entertainment Biz >before: remember the Beta and ultimately VHS Wars? Or perhaps the Biz' >attempts to keep DAT from US consumers in the 80s? > >Perhaps MP3 is a way to snub the old, corrupt methods of selling music. >Perhaps it's a subterfuge designed to distract these legions of potential >thieves and pirates (us, that is) from really being able to compete with the >established Biz. Perhaps it's just another file format that the Biz has >gotten upset about, and not an issue in reality. > >I have to admit I like MP3 right now as it develops, but I wouldn't rely >upon it for music posting because of the sheer size. I imagine better >compression will be available in the future, and I wait for a chance to stop >using Real altogether for my music posting. In the meantime I'm >experimenting with On-Demand Producer to produce ASF files that compete with >the RMs on basis of compression and sound quality, as well as video >processing. All one needs is the already-present Media Player to see this >stuff, which is available and free - and doesn't include come-ons or hidden >installations for someone's Messaging Service in its upgrades. > >> >I don't know about the rest of you, but my music tends to be anywhere >> >from 10 to 20 minutes per piece, and often has accompanying video. This >> >means large, slow to download files. > >L Tremblay put forth: > >> Not a bad idea but only folks with killer computers and a >> megabit connection to the Web would be able to enjoy such a >> high-bandwidth site. > >It remains to be seen just how many people actually have a higher-than-56k >access to Das Infobahn - and having a 350MHz, 128MB K6-2 doesn't help, if >the pipeline is still so small. This relegates the MP3 material we produce >to a limited market, potentially, and one we know relatively nothing about, >beyond the shrill announcements from the music biz. > >Then again, Comdex (or as they call it this year, ".COMdex") is with us >again. What outlandish stuff awaits those who go? Is anyone from this list >going? If so, please give us a report of what you see in the above regard! > >Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! >EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html >* >(Hear NEW music 11/1 here!) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 17:47:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00424; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:47:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:47:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BF258A.9BE2CD70.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: music Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:32:30 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Fv1C92.0.A07.LNs7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com speaking of mp3: does anyone know how to set up a server so that mp3 files can be served? I've put some mp3 files online and instead of a 'save to' window, I get ascii garbage when I click on them. * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 17:01:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21879; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:01:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:01:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991102213636.45937.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] From: "G716" To: References: <001301bf243d$6adf7e60$b8edb5cf@lloopoo> Subject: Boomerang for sale Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:36:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Resent-Message-ID: <"znTfK3.0.Vn3.Scr7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have nothing to do with this sale, just saw it posted at rmmm.... response address was listed as Ajai@Aio.com . Please see note below about reformatting for spam protection... ================================== Price: $325 Boomerang floor-based phrase sampler. This one has a 1 minute memory, but it can be inexpensively upgraded to 4 minutes. Cool tool for layering sounds, or improvising with self-accompaniment. Similar to the Lexicon JamMan, but with more memory. Very user friendly layout. Refer to harmony-central's effects database for more info. Paid more than $400 for it a year ago. Didn't use it much - guess I had a G.A.S. problem back then. It's in mint condition with manual and original box. Asking $325, inclusive of COD shipping within the continental US by UPS ground. Jai Kasthurirangan -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anti-Spam: delete "A" in E-mail address Posted through http://www.harmony-central.com Comments/Complaints: webmaster@harmony-central.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 17:06:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23209; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:06:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:06:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 13:47:12 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, postaldave@qx.net Subject: Re: which echo unit? Resent-Message-ID: <"ZXa_13.0.nS4.2or7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> Miko wrote >>> > "There's a new TC Electronic "budget" unit called the D-Two coming out... rumor is that street price will be right at $500 american buckolas. It has 10 secs of *stereo* delay and a hold function. Reverse on the fly, filtering for a more analog sound, chorus/flange and from the ad copy a very full featured multi-tap tempo delay feature... it's midi as well. I'm really crossing my fingers on this one. Should ship in late November according to TC U.S. " Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." >>> "postaldave" 11/02 1:08 PM >>> > if boomerang would come up with their upgrade it would make ten sec. Is there more to your statement? Boomerang is (rough guess here) 2min/4min with upgraded RAM, but lives in the lo-fi realm. JamMan and EDP have 32sec and 199sec respectively and are of a more hi quality sound. Still all three of them lack the ability to modulate the delay line, and the lack stereo. The old Digitech RDS/PDS XXXX and Lexicon PCM 42 (stock and modified) is in a lot of peoples racks because you can modulate the delays as well as really freak with the regen... Are either of these boxes stereo? > but than again your waiting for that i'm waiting for the new 'rang and everyone else is waiting for the echoplex. it would seem the music companies have really dropped the ball in regards to looping. As a fairly satisfied EDP owner, I'm still in love with regen delay looping and see several new choices available... There's the recently discontinued Korg DL8000R which has 5 secs stereo / 10 secs mono with tons of multitap tempo based rythym capabilities as well as LFO waveform delay modulation, as well as serious feedback control all via midi... lots of cc patchable params. This is still sitting around a couple retail locations for ~350.00. I've heard criticism of it's user i/f and some comments on noise, but the two folks I know who have them say they're really quiet and versatile if you're gain staging them correctly. There's the in-production Headrush with pretty great reviews from LD users And the just-in-the-catalog Line6 Delay Modeler which reads great... Hopefully we'll all hear something about them on the list soon. Might be the king of floor based multi-featured swiss army delays / 14 sec looper... Then there's the TC D-Two I've mentioned on the horizon... based on the TC-2290 and with 10 seconds stereo delay. I've heard Mr. Fxxxx with a pair of 2290's sounding rather awesome with the 64 sec upgrade... Delay based / regen controlled / hold controlled looping is a very mutable and fun way to loop and I regularly do it with much satisfaction with only 1.8 secs of delay... 10 seconds will definitely be a total fun house romp with ridiculous multi-taps going as well as being able to reverse on the fly and add chorus/flange etc... This is GOOD news for loopers! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 17:08:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23381; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:08:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:08:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 13:49:53 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, SoundFNR@aol.com Subject: Re: Vortex auction... Resent-Message-ID: <"64xKa1.0.qe4.hpr7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One more time... I've got a couple of 'em for sale. Mint one for $250 and one with a scratch on the lens for $225... Let me know if any of you want one or more! (I may be conservative/lucky and end up only selling one depending on the buyer situation.) Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." >>> 11/02 1:12 PM >>> In a message dated 01/11/99 21:34:12 GMT Standard Time, postaldave@qx.net writes: > what kind of loop time does this thing offer????/ all together now....... two seconds of looping time or 2x 1second loops using the right patch not much loop time, but the Vortex can do things to a loop that nothing else can, (except for some of the v.pricey lex gear). before its slip into non-availabity the vortex was much raved about on this list. (yes you want one) Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 17:47:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00957; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:47:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:47:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010701bf2582$2fbf36e0$819cb8d4@oemcomputer> To: References: <19991101.152727.-928553.1.zenchi@juno.com> Subject: Re: Signal routing Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:17:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) Resent-Message-ID: <"i3H_T2.0.n07.UNs7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi The gr09 doesnt have an aux in. It only has 2 stereo outputs and one return. I would idealy like to have only the synth going throug a stereo mixer and the pure guitar sound into a tube amp.But how could i accomplish that with only two outputs? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 17:46:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00313; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:46:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:46:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010901bf2582$31be6240$819cb8d4@oemcomputer> To: "Loopers delight" Subject: Re: EDP foot switcher Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:27:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F3_01BF2589.E4C18BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) Resent-Message-ID: <"O4yPS2.0.V17.WNs7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F3_01BF2589.E4C18BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----=20 Von: Luis Angulo=20 An: Kim Flint=20 Gesendet: Montag, 1. November 1999 21:28 Betreff: EDP foot switcher Hi kim, A few months ago i mentioned to you that the record button from the = EDP would sometimes act funny.You told me that it was normal that i just = have to trigger it right which i believed because it would only do it at = times.But now is getting worst and worst.It sometimes retrigger it self = quickly when i depress it and lately its been switching loops overtaking = the function of the next loop button.The other buttons seem to be = working properly and when i tried triggering the record button several = times on the unit manually it acted perfectly normal, so the problem is = not on the unit itself.Do you have any suggestions as to what i can = do?And another question, what does this mean: "If you want to record a sample, we recommend starting the loop with = RECORD and ending it with BREAK" What does break mean? ------=_NextPart_000_00F3_01BF2589.E4C18BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- =
Von:=20 Luis=20 Angulo
An: Kim Flint=20
Gesendet: Montag, 1. November = 1999=20 21:28
Betreff: EDP foot = switcher

Hi kim,
 
A few months ago i mentioned to you = that the=20 record button from the EDP would sometimes act funny.You told me that = it was=20 normal that i just have to trigger it right which i believed because = it would=20 only do it at times.But now is getting worst and worst.It sometimes = retrigger=20 it self quickly when i depress it and lately its been switching=20 loops overtaking the function of the next loop button.The other = buttons=20 seem to be working properly and when i tried triggering the record = button=20 several times on the unit manually it acted perfectly normal, so the = problem=20 is not on the unit itself.Do you have any suggestions as to what i can = do?And=20 another question, what does this mean:

"If you want to record a sample, = we recommend=20 starting the loop with RECORD and ending it with=20 BREAK"
 
What does break=20 mean?
------=_NextPart_000_00F3_01BF2589.E4C18BE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 17:47:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00396; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:47:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:47:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010801bf2582$30c423c0$819cb8d4@oemcomputer> To: "Loopers delight" Subject: Re: Signal routing Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:26:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BF2589.AFC16E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) Resent-Message-ID: <"vHyDh2.0.K17.WNs7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BF2589.AFC16E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----=20 Von: Luis Angulo=20 An: Loopers delight=20 Gesendet: Montag, 1. November 1999 21:50 Betreff: Signal routing Hello loopers, One technical question: Here is how my signal flows: Guitar (synth readywith Gk2 buit in) ---GR09 synth---Korg A2--- Roland = GP 100---Boomerang looper---EDP--- Combo tube Amplifier. I found that when i play without going thru the GR09 synth the signal = sounds healthier clearer and stronger. Analog fuzz boxes which i also = use dont have the same rich and thick sound when i go out from the Gk2 = synth pick up.On the other hand i love combining the hi tech synth = sounds with analog fuzz boxes or doing some synth textures and then = playing analog sounds on top. I am still looking for the solution to this maybe routing things in a = different way. How could i have the Synth going only trough a stereo = mixer and the guitar sound into the tube amp? ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BF2589.AFC16E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- =
Von:=20 Luis=20 Angulo
An: Loopers delight
Gesendet: Montag, 1. November = 1999=20 21:50
Betreff: Signal routing

Hello loopers,
 
One technical question: Here is how = my signal=20 flows:
 
Guitar (synth readywith Gk2 buit in) = ---GR09=20 synth---Korg A2--- Roland GP 100---Boomerang looper---EDP--- Combo = tube=20 Amplifier.
 
I found that when i play without = going=20 thru the GR09 synth the signal sounds healthier clearer and stronger. = Analog=20 fuzz boxes which i also use dont have the same rich and thick sound = when i go=20 out from the Gk2 synth pick up.On the other hand i love combining the = hi tech=20 synth sounds with analog fuzz boxes or doing some synth textures and = then=20 playing analog sounds on top.
I am still looking for the solution = to this maybe=20 routing things in a different way. How could i have the Synth going = only=20 trough a stereo mixer and the guitar sound into the tube=20 amp?
------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BF2589.AFC16E60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 19:02:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18603; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:02:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:02:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <381F644F.BF825707@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 23:23:11 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: edp query References: <2.2.32.19991102203508.0196d348@pop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"myLhF.0.n72.G8t7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Great! I figured as much but he didn't want to believe me - he was ready to send it back to the US from Germany! Hahaha ... Thanks for the help. Rob Kim Flint wrote: > At 08:19 PM 11/2/99 +0100, Cummings wrote: > >Hello Dennis and thanks for your help, > > > >He's apparently using it with INSERT mode set to REHEARSE. He claims that > the edp is > >supposed to allow him to hear the loop back once before allowing him to > replace it > >with the next "rehearsal". His problem is that the edp only performs one > rehearsal > >cycle - after this his loop is "frozen". > > > >Is this proper behaviour? > > Rob, this is how Rehearse mode is supposed to work. It let's you practice an > idea before you lock it into a loop. His unit is working fine. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 19:49:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29897; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:49:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:49:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Boston Looper Collective III - November 8 - Middle East Downstair s Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:20:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"yHhQO.0._36.D4u7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hear yea! Hear yea! The Third Boston Loopers' Collective will bring forth technology and provide sounds of wonderment and sonic delight for your listening and critical pleasure on Monday evening next, November 8th. The venue for this gathering is, as always, the fine establishment with a thunderous and stereo PA -- Downstairs at The Middle East, in Central Square, Cambridge. So, mark thine date-books, download appointments to palm-pilots, and leave notices on your refrigerators, that on this evening, given that you are within driving distance, you are busy and will be attending a session of dangerous music making. This event will be different from the previous two in that it will aim to focus on electric percussion. * Electronic Drums - Frank Coleman, and T.G. Noyes * Bass - Microvard (from Club D'ELF) * Keyboards - Jere Fason (from Club D'ELF * Unguitar - David Kirkdorffer Visuals are likely to accompany the sonics Merriment commences at 8:00PM and lasts till 11:00PM Boston Loopers Collective III Monday, November 8 Middle East (Central Square, Cambridge) Downstairs With the kind support of the Open Faucet team, to whom we are indebted for the opportunity they allow us. Questions? David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 20:15:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04362; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:15:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:15:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991102192736.007b4a60@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 19:27:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: music/Loopers of the World revision In-Reply-To: References: <002201bf2552$4dbf4570$474badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"DSI7n3.0.AG6.e7u7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's a great idea. Along those lines, does anyone have any ideas for a way to incorporate image storage somehow? We describe our setups a lot, and as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. I know I'd enjoy seeing photos of these hard-to-describe configurations and signal flow diagrams, but then again, I read gear catalogs and Craig Anderton books in the bathroom. (No, that's NOT a continuation of last week's "master of one's domain" thread!) Tim At 10:08 AM 11/2/99 -0800, you wrote: >I've been thinking of upgrading the Loopers of the World site. Perhaps I >could add an "MP3-link" field, ...... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 20:24:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06860; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:24:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:24:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:46:48 -0500 (EST) From: Unit Circle Media To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: AW: music In-Reply-To: <01BF258A.9BE2CD70.mpeters@csi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"sezkg2.0.BB7.MOu7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You need to set up your server's MIME types so it knows about MP3s. Failing that, ZIP the files. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Michael Peters wrote: > speaking of mp3: does anyone know how to set up a server so that mp3 files > can be served? I've put some mp3 files online and instead of a 'save to' > window, I get ascii garbage when I click on them. > > > * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com > * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music > * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors > * http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 20:24:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06863; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:24:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:24:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001401bf2594$a48a7c70$be4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: music Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:44:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"O32Ek2.0.pw6.5Lu7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >speaking of mp3: does anyone know how to set up a server so that mp3 files >can be served? I've put some mp3 files online and instead of a 'save to' >window, I get ascii garbage when I click on them. > The servers daemon needs to know about the MIME types its serving. It could be that you need to do an AddType on the server and specify the MP3 MIME description and extension. I'm assuming you'r using UNIX and an open source compliant web server. I have no idea what the magic spell for is for M$ IIS. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 20:36:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24195; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:24:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:24:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: zenchi@juno.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:03:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Signal routing(sorry for the off topic) Message-ID: <19991102.170337.-975539.2.zenchi@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-7,9,11-13,15,17-19,21,23,25-31,33-44 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <"lHO342.0.sg4.Qmt7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, you can't route three signals with only two outputs. As I see it your choices are: 1. Send the GR-09 outs to a mixer/power amp/ full range speaker AND the guitar signal to pedals/tube amp (via GR-09 guitar out or guitar jack) 2. Same with the GR-09 BUT send the guitar signal to pedals/tube amp and via the FX out of the amp return the signal to the GR-09 return or another channel on the mixer. This could sound pretty horrible without good EQ and a speaker sim. Depends on the sound you're looking for. 3. Same as #2 except you put a load resister on the speaker out of the amp so you get power tube saturation. You may also want a speaker sim of some kind with this setup also. 4. Ditch the GR-09, pedals and amp and get a VG-8 (my solution for a while) or some sort of MIDI preamp(s) and use some creative processing to create some unique sounds. Of course if you're looking for "real world" instruments, this isn't the best bet. Good luck, Robert dERiSiOn On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:17:27 +0100 L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) writes: > Hi > The gr09 doesn't have an aux in. It only has 2 stereo outputs and one > return. > I would ideally like to have only the synth going through a stereo > mixer and > the pure guitar sound into a tube amp.But how could i accomplish > that with > only two outputs? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 2 22:42:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05869; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 22:42:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 22:42:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <381FA45C.B38DE627@dmans.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 20:56:28 -0600 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: AW: music References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Jhbpm3.0.uv6.XJw7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, My name's Mike... and I'm a... a... loopaholic. There, I feel much better. :) Actually, it's OK for me to be loopaholic because I have all the Boomerangs I want. However, at this point I have one that is cosmetically flawed that I want to offer to the list. The poly carbonate overlay (front label) has two small "kinks" in it, and there is a small scratch on the back panel. The flaws are minor but we don't feel good about selling it as new, so the earliest email gets it for $369 (shipping included). It is brand new and, of course, gets a full one-year warranty. By the way, I've been testing the new Rang software/hardware upgrade, and it makes the Rang a great digital delay. And the delay time can be up to 87 seconds! -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com, email "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 02:06:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19883; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:06:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:06:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex repair question Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 01:27:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"7kxif.0.Hp2.aMz7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I finally got a hold of Mike Ayers yesterday ... they are ~not~ accepting EDP's for repairs. He said he was going to speak with the people at Trace Elliot (??) as to when they are going to start performing repairs. Apparently, the "guy" that they had at Gibson who was the ace repairman left the company and they need to get someone trained. I have had an EDP that has been at Triple S in New Jersey for over 4 months for repairs. This was the second time I had it in and they couldn't fix it this time. I know they have repaired other EDP's, so they may be worth a try. Triple S 261 Broad Street Belleville, NJ 07003 (973)751-0481 Does any body know of any other places that can fix an EDP? To be honest, I think mine is a special case since it has never worked reliably from day one and has also been back to Gibson for repairs as well. Hopefully one day I can claim "lemon law" on this one for a new one. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Chovit [mailto:cho@newdream.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 1:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex reapair question Looks like one of Anton's EDP's is on the fritz...Does anyone know the status of EDP repair in the current Gibson paradigm? Are they taking units for repair? Are they sending them back REPAIRED in a reasonable time? Thanks, Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 03:37:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03553; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:37:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:37:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991103075746.73493.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re: mp3's and turtles Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 23:57:46 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"3yWLF.0.E77.ji-7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mp3's can be turtles! I really must apologize, I've been writing most of my e-mail in a state of mental exhaustion lately. I seem to keep missing the important points of e-mails that I respond to lately. Too late for a save, there was that little blab about mp3.com actually pressing and selling CD's for musicians and only taking half the selling price. It's recent that my computer has become mp3 capable though. The free for trade deal that I mentioned, as well as the chain letter tape idea seem to work pretty well, though. >From: Tim Nelson >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: music >Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 06:46:56 -0500 > >At 06:31 PM 11/1/99 PST, you wrote: > >The first thing that I can think of is MP3.com. Maybe it would be a good >idea to look into mpegs, AIFFs, WAVs, etc. It's always fun to >>share >music in a completely computer downloadable way. > >Mr. Tough > > >But Michael wrote: >...can we think of a way to share this with each > >>other in a non-computer down-loadable way...........michael > >i.e., NOT as mpegs, AIFFs, WAVs, etc., but rather tape or audio CD. While >this may be related to the "Fear of Technology" thread, this also became a >point of contention during the Chain Tape project, as some of us are using >elderly, amnesiac turtles of computers and would not be able to participate >otherwise. > >Tim > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 03:43:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04696; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:43:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:43:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 23:58:10 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loopers of the World profiles In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <002201bf2552$4dbf4570$474badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"wmQuA1.0.Q87.Tj-7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:08 AM -0800 11/2/99, Chris Chovit wrote: >I've been thinking of upgrading the Loopers of the World site. Speaking of the profiles, I'm sorry to report that I had a disk problem at the looper site on Sunday night (damned hobgoblins!) that caused some data to be lost from the profiles. I restored it from a backup, but my latest backup turned out to be about a month old. So if you added or updated your profile lately, please go check on it, you may need to redo it. Real sorry about that! the profiles pages are here: http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi And Chris, this gives me one practical idea for a new version, a backup utility that automatically mails the data file to me (and maybe you too) whenever somebody does an update! I've learned the hard way that you can't entrust any data to an ISP.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 03:57:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07678; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:57:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:57:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991103081328.45888.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 00:13:28 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"w_4Md1.0.Xq7.Sx-7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I love that site by the way. It's surprising that most of the people who contribute to the mailing list haven't posted bio's. I keep trying to look people up there after reading e-mails. It's an excellent way to introduce ourselves. Thank you. I simply put our mp3 page link in the website region, since we don't have the skills to create our own website. What you're speaking of sounds really cool though. >From: Chris Chovit >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: music >Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:08:25 -0800 > >I've been thinking of upgrading the Loopers of the World site. Perhaps I >could add an "MP3-link" field, which would link to MP3 files on each of our >sites. That way, we wouldn't need to upgrade the server space. I could >also set up some features, like a MP3 page that just listed all the MP3 >links, or a button that plays a random one.... anyone have any thoughts on >this? > >- Chris > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 04:02:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08844; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 04:02:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 04:02:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: music Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:44:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <01BF258A.9BE2CD70.mpeters@csi.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"Lo-KC1.0.0F1.3P_7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been told you need the right MP3 client for that. Not all of them can "stream." And that any server will do; you don't need an MP3 "server." But this is my very lapsed memory, and I'll double-check on this. | -----Original Message----- | From: mpeters@csi.com [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] | Sent: Tuesday 02 November 1999 2:33 PM | To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' | Subject: AW: music | | | speaking of mp3: does anyone know how to set up a server so | that mp3 files | can be served? I've put some mp3 files online and instead of a | 'save to' | window, I get ascii garbage when I click on them. | | | * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com | * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music | * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors | * http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 04:05:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09334; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 04:05:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 04:05:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: music Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:34:29 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <01BF256F.AFC760A0.mpeters@csi.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"OpeYz1.0.yj.ZF_7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, that's true, and I'm starting to regard WMF (or WFM, whatever it's called) as the real winner, as it produces very little files with a lot of punch, better IMHO than MP3. | -----Original Message----- | From: mpeters@csi.com [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] | Sent: Tuesday 02 November 1999 11:19 AM | To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' | Subject: AW: music | | | > I've been thinking of upgrading the Loopers of the World site. | | hero. | | > could add an "MP3-link" field, which would link to MP3 files | on each of our | > sites. That way, we wouldn't need to upgrade the server | space. I could | > also set up some features, like a MP3 page that just listed | all the MP3 | > links, or a button that plays a random one.... anyone have | any thoughts on | > this? | | Not bad, but please don't omit the other formats - e.g. I | haven't got any MP3s on my site, only realaudio. | | | * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com | * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music | * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors | * http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 05:42:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA26960; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:42:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:42:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BF25ED.367B7280.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: music/Loopers of the World revision Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:59:17 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k40IS2.0.7S5.Ci08u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > That's a great idea. Along those lines, does anyone have any ideas for a > way to incorporate image storage somehow? We describe our setups a lot, and > as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. Chris could only add links to images that are stored on your own website - not enough space to store them on the LD site. * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 06:20:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01408; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:20:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:20:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911031100.GAA30269@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 16:17:57 +0530 Subject: Line6 DL4 From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uniin1.0.fP7.qN18u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Line6 has the manuals for the modeller pedals up at : http://www.line6.com/support/library.htm If u just want to know about the DL4, get : http://www.line6.com/pdf/DelayModelerDetails.pdf Nicely done manual. But, I don't know if y'all knew this, but when they say, "Programmable Delay & 14 Second Loop Sampler", they mean it. Only the sampler does 14 seconds. The delays have a max. of 2.5 seconds. Dang. With all the thought they've obviously put into this product, you'd think they'd know to stick atleast 8 MB of RAM in there. Or even allow the memory to be expanded. Far as I can tell, the Akai Headrush has an actual of 23.8 seconds, not just for the loop sampler function. - Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 06:32:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03642; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:32:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:32:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Envelope-Sender-Is: Juergen.Haible@nbgm.siemens.de (at relayer gecko.sbs.de) Message-ID: <2BEB95546DCDD211A6A100805FEA47CA0104E9AD@nbgm339a.nbgm.siemens.de> From: Haible Juergen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DeltaLab memory expansion Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:27:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"1cryS3.0.7g.en18u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I'm not a member of your mailing list, but I'm browsing thru your web pages from time to time for news on delay units. This is where I found a hint to do a memory expansion on DeltaLab delays. A few days ago, I did a hack on my Effectron I, and here are the results (as posted to the synth-diy mailing list). After a fruitless search for a cheap digital delay that fits my needs, I decided to expand the memory of my DeltaLab Effectron I. This box looks like the cheapest one of an entire line of FX devices, and while covering Flanger / Chorus / Echo delay ranges, the Echo section is quite basic. You can tune it from 250msec to 1sec with a knob that is shared by the LFO modulation depth, you can set positive or negative feedback (with a nice HF rolloff), and that's about it. I wanted to have at least the double delay time (2sec is still not much, but it's way more useful than 1sec.), a non-deteriorating infinite repeat switch ("Loop"), and the ability to record a 1sec Loop first and then double it to 2sec, to add more input signal on the 2sec loop afterwards. As it turned out, this is quite easy to accomplish on the ADM1020 (and probably on other DeltaLab products, too.) You can find a description at http://home.debitel.net/user/jhaible/jh_adm1020_loop.html . Best Regards, JH. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 07:12:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11011; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:12:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:12:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991103065810.007af100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 06:58:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Headrush delay times (was Line6 DL4) In-Reply-To: <199911031100.GAA30269@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1tTBw.0.I32.KF28u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 04:17 PM 11/3/99 +0530, you wrote: >Far as I can tell, the Akai Headrush has an actual of 23.8 seconds, not just >for the loop sampler function. Actually, in the loop mode that's only if you give up overdub capability (otherwise it's 11.9 secs). In the Normal Delay mode, using tap tempo, you can get 23.8 secs. In the Tape Echo mode the range is between 10ms min and 5.9 secs max. Alan Imberg has written a lot of good information about the 'rush which can be found on the LD site if you'd like to know more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 07:19:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12405; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:19:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:19:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911031213.HAA11068@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 17:43:18 +0530 Subject: mp3s on servers From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KRlIO3.0.Lj2.bR28u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Michael, This has to do with MIME types. Assuming you server is configured properly, (I don't think it needs to know specifically about the ".mp3" file type) this should be the problem & solution : (U upload with using FTP ?) You need to make sure you specify that your FTP program uploads the files as BINARY files. Your FTP program may have put them up as TEXT files. BTW, can't we all take an extra moment to trim replies ? Why all the exessive quoting ? > I've put some mp3 files online and instead of a 'save to' > window, I get ascii garbage when I click on them. Cheers, - Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 07:29:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14527; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:29:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:29:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911031212.HAA10992@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 17:42:24 +0530 Subject: Christy Doran From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pxn4L.0._h2.pQ28u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone here know where I can find info on the guitar player Christy Doran ? I saw him live a long time ago, even got an autograph. All I remember is he played a PRS guitar & made some beautiful sounds using delays. Oh, about grumpy musicians with crappy attitudes, they can go stick their music where the sun don't shine. Artists should respect their audience. No matter how much better than your audience u think u are, it's just not on. - Drew -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Drew Skyfyre songwriter, webmaster, happy human Skyfyre 2.0: http://skyfyre.lookscool.com email: drew_skyfyre@yahoo.com Xenharmonic Engines : microtonality/xenharmonics http://microtonal.lookscool.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 07:30:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14656; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:30:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:30:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <0.8bde2b83.255182a6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:20:54 EST Subject: Re: Signal routing(sorry for the off topic) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"_y02_.0.V73.WZ28u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Been there, done that....find a VG-8. You'll be glad you did. ;-) Bill "Hawkeye" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 08:08:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21916; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:08:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:08:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <381F7301.6A1DE033@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 00:25:53 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Random Loop Mutation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EszXq.0.D45.I938u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > More suggestions for random mutation please! audiomulch!!! (windoze only) this software can mutate beyond recognition! i've some extreme patches if you're intersted ... rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 08:51:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31328; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:51:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:51:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <38203C49.65F17FF1@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:44:41 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Headrush delay times (was Line6 DL4) References: <3.0.5.32.19991103065810.007af100@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_jwBO2.0.NM7.zo38u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tim Nelson wrote: > In the Tape Echo mode the range is between 10ms min and 5.9 secs max. How much 'spread' can you get between the 4 'heads'? cheers, -- Os os@scee.sony.co.uk os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 08:59:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32614; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:59:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:59:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00fb01bf1b82$9708ad90$6f4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:03:05 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: WTB: VSO to sync 2 Revox A-77's Resent-Message-ID: <"1D4eo.0.Rk7.tw38u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'm looking for a (preferably) used variable-speed oscillator >to sync 2 Revox A-77s. > >Anyone got an idea where I can find one of these things? >I know that Ampex makes one (the VS-20) but they want over >$800 new. And the old Ampex VS-10s are $1200...Geeeez. > >Thanks, > >- Larry I think we talked about such generator before. It can be done with one chip and a battery, you may consult a hobby electronicist... Do you have the two A-77? Consider using B-77, a similar later model with considerable improved noise and a simple one potentiometer speed control. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 09:15:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03319; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:15:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:15:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:38:00 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Quad and Looping Possibilities.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KWasO.0.Tx6.-h38u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com First off: That TC unit sounds great. Keep us posted and if anyone manages to get one, I'm expecting a review. As an aside, if you haven't gotten a Vortex, or gotten your hands on one, you really need to experience it to see what the fuss is all about. It should have been a music biz success story, but it's kind of like the Ensoniq Fizmo is the Lexicon Vortex of synths. Nobody could figure out what it did, the presets were either too tame or too extreme depending on who you asked and finally when the marketing didn't really work they were sold off at a bargain price. The Vortex ads I kept seeing in guitar magazines emphasized the strange effects: BLEEN, ORBITS, etc. and guitar players can be notoriously conservative, especially since grunge came into prominence in the early 1990s. Me, I was always from Venus or Saturn so it was the perfect piece of gear for me. Everyone else was into the vintage thing, I was way the hell out beyond the outer rings somewhere. I've had a series of comments by people I've played with on the unit and the comments I kept hearing was that my sound was definetely my own, which made me happy anyway. Some of the other comments seemed to reflect on the fact that I should be wearing a space suit while playing. Pass the anti-grav boots. Check out my Vortex page at: http://www.waste.org/~crash/loopage.html I've got the full Lexicon applications notes for the Vortex duplicated there (without their permission, but the document was rare to begin with so...) as well as some links and other stuff. Oh, and I've got some mp3s of some loops I did recently (although they might go away in favor of some even newer ones). Secondly: I remember Quad well. My old public library actually had a Quad section where you could check out Quad recordings. In some cases the quad versions were way different than the more common stereo versions. A friend's parents owned a giant wooden all-in one monster-osity that could play quad recordings. There was an extra set of speakers that were silent until you played a quad recording. It was kind of weird because it didn't really surround you, but as you sat in front of it you got the quad effect. Sort of. Some memories of quad recordings: the QS version of Santana's "Welcome", that was a real rush. Everything had an extra layer of percussion on it. I especially remember that tune with the kalimba and Santana on bass and lots of extra percs. What else? Flame Sky - insane as it was, it was almost out of control in quad, another set of drums and percussion and I believe there were extra guitars. Crazy. Thoughts on Quad/Surround, Looping and Long Form Work: It's too bad that Quad didn't catch on, but now that surround sound stereo systems have become popular again (Dolby surround systems)( it's been a very tempting idea to do some work in this area. The mastering tools for computers are getting to the point where one can work in 5.1 and create a CD in that format. Now how looping fits into this: I once belonged to an electronic music mailing list where it was discussed that extremely long form pieces could be played, but the storage medium of the CD may or may not fit the bill. Well, the humble Hi-Fi VCR would allow you to potentially do an extremely long-form piece by recording the output of a looper direct into a mixer and into the VCR. Now, not all Hi-Fi VCRs have a good front end to them - some have annoying compression but some do not. And the Hi-Fi VCR that I have creates really decent sound. I've created 8-hour mixes of music for parties and the like. The sound quality is so close to the CD that you cannot tell the difference. It's somewhat better than MPEG-3 at 160 kbps. Most MPEGs you find on the net are encoded at 128 and I can hear the aliasing there. Ick. 160 sounds good though. And the longest looper I have is the Procrastination audio looper by Ken Mistove and that sucker is really* conducive to loops that go on for a long time. For instance, that "Unravelling" thing I put up on my web site is just the last seven minutes or so of a 40 minute plus piece. And I could have easily gone on for hours doing that. I've seen up to 9 hour tapes available and I may just do a long-form loop piece in the future and then the only way you could get it from me would be to order a VHS tape with it on there... I could do short excerpts and put them on the website to entice the masses, I imagine. Anyway, I thought about the concept of long form pieces mainly because guys like Steve Roach were doing all night concerts where people would actually bring sleeping bags and sleep during portions. I think that some tranquil looping might just do the trick here. My 2 cents, anyway. -Todd http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 09:29:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06626; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:29:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:29:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282D87D@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: AW: music Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:20:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"9ctug3.0.391.NJ48u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Tell us more about it. Does the upgrade change the basic functions of the rang? or does it just add to it? What kind of hardware upgrade is it. can you upgrade it yourself or do you have to send it in. Tell us more. When will it be available and how much will it cost? At least I would definitely like to know. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com By the way, I've been testing the new Rang software/hardware upgrade, and it makes the Rang a great digital delay. And the delay time can be up to 87 seconds! - From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 09:43:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09920; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:43:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:43:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911031435.JAA16177@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> X-Sender: kevincc@houndsofheaven.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:35:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Subject: Line6 DL4 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991103065810.007af100@pop.ici.net> References: <199911031100.GAA30269@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FInnW3.0.Cx1.6X48u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ths just in from Washington Music Center

The Line 6 effects modeling pedals haven't started shipping yet, but we
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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 10:57:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26230; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:57:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:57:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382058A5.420@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:45:41 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex repair question - RESISTOR MOD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"azJe23.0.Fq5.iZ58u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Doug Lawrence wrote: > I finally got a hold of Mike Ayers yesterday ... they are ~not~ accepting EDP's for repairs. > I have had an EDP that has been at Triple S in New Jersey for over 4 months for repairs. This kind of thing scares me. I have an older EDP (~1995) and I need to have the resistors changed to upgrade the Input and Output gain stages. I am good with a soldering iron but I do *not* want to do this becuase the circuit board is so packed together. I want it done by somone who knows *exactly* what they are doing and has done this common EDP modification before. This isn't even a repair really but I need to find someone who can do it. Is there a technician or listmember who you can reccomend who won't keep my machine for three months and who is honest and timely in their repairs and who has actually done this mod and knows what it's about? The mod is simply two resitors changes and is listed in the the LD web page EDP FAQ at: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 Any help appreciated. I'd like to get this done ASAP as I have a show in December that i want to use this for. Thanks for any/all help! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 11:17:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32409; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:17:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:17:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:02:46 -0600 Subject: FS: 7.6sec Time Machine $200 (harmony central) From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tUNzX.0.Bs6.4p58u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FS: Digitech RDS7.6 Time Machine Asking Price: US$200 Condition: Mint Age: 11 years Description: Delays, echos, flange, sample, etc. Original owner. Never moved from studio shelf since purchased new around 1987, very low hours. Manual Seller: Bill Cafruny, (605)624-6645 E-mail: bcafruny@usd.edu (Profile) Location: VERMILLION, SD Post Date: 11/2/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 11:19:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32589; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:19:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:19:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991103095851.008cf100@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:58:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: Re: Christy Doran In-Reply-To: <199911031212.HAA10992@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vY_-a.0.737.bq58u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:42 PM 11/3/99 +0530, you wrote: >Anyone here know where I can find info on the guitar player Christy Doran ? >I saw him live a long time ago, even got an autograph. All I remember is he >played a PRS guitar & made some beautiful sounds using delays. Ahhhh. . . .you've got good taste. Christy Doran was the guitarist for the German band "OM" which recorded I believe 4 albums in the 1970s, and included Ursi Leimgruber on sax. They were WAY ahead of their time!!! Since then, he has done an album on ECM that's a MUST BUY: The title, in German, is something like "Music for guitar, 2 contrabasses and drums" and it features Bobby Burri (the old OM bassist) and Freddy Studer (OM's drummer who also has played with Eberhard Weber and some other ECM people.) Lately, Christy's been doing albums for JMT and Hat Art, one of which is solo guitar with some nice looping. Good luck finding these, though. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 11:23:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01592; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:23:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:23:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:05:08 -0600 Subject: FS: Boss GT-3 (harmony central) $315 From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"32FA3.0.P67.Kr58u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There was some interest regarding these recently: FS: Boss GT-3 guitar processor Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Excellent Age: 5 months Description: Boss GT-3 guitar multieffect floor unit. This is a killer all-in-one deal with the usual chorus, flange, delay, reverb, etc. but lots more great features like these: * Several Boss overdrive sounds PLUS tube preamp emulations for Fender, Marshall, Matchless, Vox, Boogie, etc. with or without speaker simulation * >> Effects order is programmable per patch!! << Put wah in front of overdrive or after, etc - no more switching cords between songs * Delay has tap tempo * Built-in footswitch and pedal, assignable per patch, plus jack for additional switches/pedal * External effect send/return, for your favorite stomp box * Built-in tuner, of course * All metal case, and all solid state - very durable Only reason I'm selling - I've replaced it with a GT-5 because the GT-5 has 12 speaker cab simulations instead of just one, and I plan to do some recording. GT-3 does some things the GT-5 doesn't, like pickup emulation (e.g. make humbucker sound like single coil) and anti-feedback for acoustic guitar, but I personally prefer to have the extra speaker sims. Wish I'd thought of that before I bought. I have orignal box & manual. Works 100% and top looks new; there's a few scratches on the bottom (hey, it IS a floor pedal). Price is $315 shipped, no trades, thanks Seller: Kenneth Martinez, E-mail: klmrt@yahoo.com (Profile) Location: EDGEWOOD, NM Post Date: 11/2/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 12:02:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11055; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:02:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:02:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b601bf261b$f4a7e6c0$6d4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Quad and Looping Possibilities.. Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:53:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"UawUm1.0.O82.RW68u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Anyway, I thought about the concept of long form pieces mainly because >guys like Steve Roach were doing all night concerts where people would >actually bring sleeping bags and sleep during portions. I think that >some tranquil looping might just do the trick here. > Terry Riley's own forays into all-night concerts are pretty legendary too...He even used looping. - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 12:40:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19957; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:40:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:40:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FD77@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Christy Doran Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:33:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"ArYnN2.0.7Z4.J878u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com there's a pretty nice cd with him, ray anderson (trombone) and han bennik (drums) on hatart (actually two but i only have one). ray is possibly the best trombonist i've ever heard/seen, han i amazing . . . pretty cool. loads of delay and loopage. don't love all of the tunes, but . . . you can probably find in towns like nyc, sf . . . maybe even la if you know where to look. otherwise you could try cadence mag/north country distributers. maybe wayside has some??? stig Ahhhh. . . .you've got good taste. Christy Doran was the guitarist for the German band "OM" which recorded I believe 4 albums in the 1970s, and included Ursi Leimgruber on sax. They were WAY ahead of their time!!! Since then, he has done an album on ECM that's a MUST BUY: The title, in German, is something like "Music for guitar, 2 contrabasses and drums" and it features Bobby Burri (the old OM bassist) and Freddy Studer (OM's drummer who also has played with Eberhard Weber and some other ECM people.) Lately, Christy's been doing albums for JMT and Hat Art, one of which is solo guitar with some nice looping. Good luck finding these, though. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 13:56:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05836; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:56:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:56:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012F2481B420D211BE5A00A0C9CDAFBA020F919D@il0015exch006u.ih.lucent.com> From: "Weideman, Gary L (Gary)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Trade Roland GR-30 for JamMan anyone ?? Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:17:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"aWj211.0.i37.ym78u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a Roland GR-30 Guitar Synth in very good condition (and Godin Multiac Steel String w/Synth Access for sale also) that's been idle for awhile and I'm open to trading the GR-30 (no GK-2A though) for a JamMan. Anyone willing to trade let me know. G. Weideman 630-979-4957 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 13:53:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05002; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:53:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:53:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <002201bf2552$4dbf4570$474badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:17:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Loopers of the World profiles Resent-Message-ID: <"GFhB01.0.Z57.hn78u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com kim wrote: > >And Chris, this gives me one practical idea for a new version, a backup >utility that automatically mails the data file to me (and maybe you too) >whenever somebody does an update! I've learned the hard way that you can't >entrust any data to an ISP.... > Yeah, I could do this. Perhaps the best thing to do is to have us all come up with a reasonable list of upgrades that we agree upon, and then I'll make the changes. Re: links to audio files, it sounds like there are enough formats being used, that we should just allow everyone to have their own formats. I could create a generic "audio link" field that would basically function like the current URL field. It might also be useful to have a "description" field for each link, where you can specify information about the link, such as audio format, size, streaming or non-streaming, etc. The more generic we make the program, the more flexible it will be. Another cool feature could be to automatically load one of the audio links (randomly, for example) when viewing a profile, so that the viewer could hear a loop while viewing the profile. However, this might pose problems, depending on the formats and sizes of audio files. Also: Which of the audio formats allow the audio file to be looped? I imagine that this is a feature of the player, rather than the audio file itself, but I'm not sure. What ever happened to Thomas Dolby's (loopable) audio format -- I don't even remember its name..... - Chris >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 13:59:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06400; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:59:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:59:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991103125045.04cb9a70@pop.interaccess.com> X-Sender: ths@pop.interaccess.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:50:45 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom S Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 In-Reply-To: <199911031100.GAA30269@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ySaiC3.0.v61.GG88u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I just ordered the DL4 and the modulation box as well, I was told they'd be in either later this week or next. I use the line 6 POD and am so impressed by that...hopefully these pedals will be the same level of sonic quality. Not to mention that Gibson seems to have fallen asleep at the wheel with the Echoplex :+( It was my understanding that Line 6 wanted to provide these boxes as accurate 'models' of the effects boxes they are designed from. So, for the delay unit, the loop sampler is really the Boomerang...Line 6 gives 14.5 seconds of sample time. For the delays, they either kept the delays the same as the original effects box, or increased it in some cases to 2.5 sec. Plus, the delay box (and I think the modulation) process internally at 24 bits resolution. Looking forward to the "poor man's echoplex"! Tom At 04:17 PM 11/3/99 +0530, you wrote: >Line6 has the manuals for the modeller pedals up at : > >http://www.line6.com/support/library.htm > >If u just want to know about the DL4, get : >http://www.line6.com/pdf/DelayModelerDetails.pdf > >Nicely done manual. But, I don't know if y'all knew this, but when they say, >"Programmable Delay & 14 Second Loop Sampler", they mean it. > >Only the sampler does 14 seconds. The delays have a max. of 2.5 seconds. >Dang. With all the thought they've obviously put into this product, you'd >think they'd know to stick atleast 8 MB of RAM in there. Or even allow the >memory to be expanded. > >Far as I can tell, the Akai Headrush has an actual of 23.8 seconds, not just >for the loop sampler function. > >- Drew > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 15:02:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22091; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:02:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:02:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <02b201bf2635$4b206680$342a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "James Pokorny" , Subject: Re: grumpy loopers, genius vs. jerk Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:35:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"6ar3t2.0.sy4.RB98u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mr. Fripp himself has written at length (and apart from the Guitar Craft/Discipline Records aphorisims, does he ever write succinctly?) about the dichotomy of the artist as human vs. the artist as conduit for art. Wish I could point you to a web site, but I only have said text in print. To paraphrase, though: The artist has their "finger in the socket" of cosmic energy. It is something which happens almost in spite of the artist's wishes. Some can't take the current (Hendrix); some barely hold on (Miles); some are so caught up in the seeming power that the rest of their lives are neglected, including morality (Pound); and some manage to keep the boat afloat with dignity (Cage, Casals). Another thought, given to me while wrestling with the O.J. Simson trial: There are Heros and there are Role Models. Few are both. We may say that there are Artists and there are Role Models, and the few that are both are Loopers. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: James Pokorny To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, October 31, 1999 10:31 AM Subject: Re: grumpy loopers, genius vs. jerk >>>If you must dis Fripp's stage demeanor, please do so elsewhere. :-)! >> >>Apart from the artist-in-question's attitude, Mr. Pokorny never said how he >>otherwise enjoyed the performance... Nor did he reveal who the ornery >>looper was for that matter > >Good call, Tim! I should have mentioned that the music itself was >absolutely incredible. The performer, whom I would prefer not to name, had >a virtuosic command of the instrument (which was NOT a guitar, but did have >some of those unmentionable taut wire things on it ;-} ), and also had a >real mastery of the technology, pedals, and looping equipment. I was most >impressed by the textures, melodies, rhythms and complex arrangements all >generated by one person through one instrument and devices. If the music >had not been so compelling I would have left after the first piece because I >resent being insulted by any performer. I don't expect every musician to >"work the crowd" or to win an audience over with their charming personality, >but I don't think it's too great a stretch of the imagination to realize >that people who have paid money to hear you play should be treated with >decency and respect. > >This brings up a somewhat off-topic point that's been brought up recently >and has been plaguing me for quite some time: how to separate the art from >the artist, especially when the art is sublime but the artist is a >miserable, misanthropic so-and-so. Some examples that immediately come to >mind: Richard Wagner, Ezra Pound, Pablo Picasso, Graham Greene, Lou Reed, . >. . I'm sure that everyone can think of many other examples from the worlds >of music, art, literature, etc. It's impossible not to admire their immense >talent or genius, but hard to reconcile the pain and grief that they brought >either to immediate friends and family, or to vast numbers of people unknown >to them (e.g., the very public anti-Semitism of Wagner and Pound). > >I don't want to get too far OT, but I always have difficulty in isolating >the greatness of the art because conscience kicks in and urges "Yeah, but he >was such a jerk!" > >James Pokorny > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 15:03:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22801; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:03:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:03:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <02b301bf2635$4e661ba0$342a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Mark Sottilaro" , Subject: Re: Looping Laurie Anderson Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:51:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"jFfMf1.0.Gz4.aB98u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I will echo (Heh,heh) Mark's comments on the lack of women in the looping community. I tried to get this going as a thread a while back, but no one else "wove". I'm very glad to see the discussion kindle now. I am again threatining to gig again, and those two or three of you who remember my gigs back in the late 80's may recall an equal representation of genders then. I believe the spacey, ambient looping style is particularly "feminine" while the hard sampling and non-pitch/noise styles are more "masculine". One may expect to cultivate appropriate audiences for each style. The whole concept of "using tools", though, is a gender-charged one. The (perhaps overly Freudian but still still resonant with me) explanation I received is: Males have external genetalia, females have it inside. This manifests itself in a masculine propensity to manipulate external things and a feminine propensity to look inwards. I received that from a woman, by the way. Props to Tim Nelson for posting the Pauline Oliveros web site! I have a memory of watching/hearing a woman on television who used an EH 16-second delay to do massive improvised vocal stuff. This would have been around 85 or so. Any ideas who she was? Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I know we've been through this before, but with a role model like >Laurie, why do we >find so few women interested in working with new tools (such as loopers) >in Music? >Are there still women on this list? There were some time back, but I >left the list for a while and have seemingly come back to a "boys" >club. Bizarrely enough, I always >thought that our beloved loop leader Kim was a woman, until I met him. >When you >assume... and so the web degenders us. But still the question as to >why most >women (I've met) seem to avoid music that's off the "beaten trail." The >women that >I do know that are interested in new modes of aural expression, seem to >be as in >the dark as myself. > >Perhaps I only wonder this, as my date drifted into deep sleep during >the >performance. Ha! > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 15:18:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26419; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:18:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:18:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <016501bf2634$547baf10$6d4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Loopers of the World profiles Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:47:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"VsVq71.0.vQ4.-398u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Which of the audio formats allow the audio file to be looped? I imagine >that this is a feature of the player, rather than the audio file itself, >but I'm not sure. What ever happened to Thomas Dolby's (loopable) audio >format -- I don't even remember its name..... The name of it was/is Beatnik. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 15:26:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28708; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:26:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:26:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991103141437.008cfe80@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:14:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: RE: Christy Doran In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FD77@migarexch01.maritz. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RKgP-.0.Ge6.VZ98u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com . . . . .An incomplete (most likely) discography of Christy Doran: "Music for 2 Contrabass, electric gtr. and drums" (ECM 1436): with Bobby Burri, Fredy Studer, and Olivier Magnenat. 1990 "What a Band" (Hat Art CD6105): solo guitar and loops. 1992 "Christy Doran's Phoenix'" (Hat Art CD6074): duos with Ursi Leimgruber, Ray Anderson, Marty Ehrlich, Hank Roberts. "Corporate Art" (JMT 849-155-2): with Mark Helias, Bobby Previte, Gary Thomas. 1991 Any others out there that anyone knows about? Yours, Michael ================================================================ Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Department of Social Sciences Texas A&M International University Laredo, TX 78041 U.S.A. Telephone: (956)326-2634 Office; (956)326-2464 FAX E-Mail myoder@tamiu.edu Web Page: http://tamiu.edu/~myoder/ ================================================================ "English ideas about property have given us both the Bill of Rights and the industrial slum." (Archibald C. Coolidge, Jr.) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 15:26:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28665; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:26:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:26:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3820C39D.34838A9B@node.net> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:22:05 -0800 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Random Loop Mutation References: <199911031636.LAA04894@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BXY7P.0.Sh6.na98u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gahhh!! Mulch your closed-source tongue. For the utmost in random and premeditated audio chromosome damage, may I recommend Pluggo, the illinest VST plug-in coterie ever to make the most jaded cilia stand up and testify. 74 plug-ins for $74, plus the chance to join the "Pluggo-of-the-month" club and get a spankin' new plug-in month-in, month-out. I just acquired it and haven't even gotten through 25% of these sick, sick bits of convolvitude without collapsing into peals of incredulous laughter. It well and truly puts the "wack-ass" in "digital signal processing". "Of course, 'it's only for the Mac platform,'" he sneered...http://www.cycling74.com/products/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > More suggestions for random mutation please! > > audiomulch!!! (windoze only) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 15:56:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04119; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:56:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:56:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000501bf263b$d6edd520$586fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: Subject: Re: AW: music Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:41:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"kR1Jb3.0.kJ.ry98u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com . " By the way, I've been testing the new Rang software/hardware upgrade" do you have a release date? what's going to be new? how much? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 15:58:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04339; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:58:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:58:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3820A13D.1C0EE446@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 20:55:25 +0000 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: spacial sound References: <199911031629.LAA02915@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Db1nL.0.Hi.s2A8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm interested in this discussion of surround sound during live sets. I'm looking into 2 possibilities for my live gigs:- 1. This is one I used on a theatre project once and I know it works. What you do is get a couple of these piezo electric tweeters. They're quite cheap and attatch them in parallel with your existing PA speakers, (they are high impedance so you don't have to worry about your amp). Then you stick them high up on a hook on the wall, window sill, beam etc, (preferably behind the audience). What happens then is that when your playing the tweeters will naturally pass certain high frequencies and they will appear to be coming from above/behind. I've actually had people look around them to locate the sounds. Like I say its dead cheap and very easy to do live. 2 I've not tried this one. It involves placing a full range speaker behind the audience and wiring it up to the two live terminals on a stereo amp. The speaker signal passes the difference between the two normal stereo channels. Does anyone know the impedance implications of this before I try it? The theory is that if say you pan a sound from hard right to hard left, the initial sound will come from right front and behind , move to the two front speakers only at centre pan and finally hard left and behind. You can imagine what this would do to a full dynamic mix. It's an interesting idea. Has anyone on this list tried these methods? Incidentally, why is everyone so grumpy?, (I'll probably get my head bitten off for saying that) Chill, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 16:12:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08637; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:12:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:12:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:04:54 -0600 Subject: Re: spacial sound From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3820A13D.1C0EE446@dial.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DkpTI1.0.qX1.GEA8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've done that with my home stereo. That's the "fake surround" wiring Eno descibes on the back of "On Land". I used it for a couple of months, it sounded neat. The weirdest elements of the mix would come out of that third speaker. I've never tried it with live music. TH > 2 I've not tried this one. It involves placing a full range speaker > behind the audience and wiring it up to the two live terminals on a > stereo amp. The speaker signal passes the difference between the two > normal stereo channels. Does anyone know the impedance implications of > this before I try it? The theory is that if say you pan a sound from > hard right to hard left, the initial sound will come from right front > and behind , move to the two front speakers only at centre pan and > finally hard left and behind. You can imagine what this would do to a > full dynamic mix. It's an interesting idea. > Has anyone on this list tried these methods? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 16:28:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12678; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:28:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:28:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01f801bf2641$ade37d00$6d4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: , "Mark Sottilaro" Subject: Re: Looping Laurie Anderson Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:23:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"uYar-.0.4m2.hUA8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The whole concept of "using tools", though, is a gender-charged one. The >(perhaps overly Freudian but still still resonant with me) explanation I >received is: Males have external genetalia, females have it inside. This >manifests itself in a masculine propensity to manipulate external things and >a feminine propensity to look inwards. I received that from a woman, by the >way. The tool theory contributes to why men think about sex more than women in general: (again, a womans theory) men are focused on their external "tools" because they are always manipulating them in some way. > I have a memory of watching/hearing a woman on television who used an EH >16-second delay to do massive improvised vocal stuff. This would have been >around 85 or so. Any ideas who she was? I believe you saw Meredith Monk. I saw an old 1986 performance of her "loop" vocalizing on PBS. Very interesting and bizarre at the time. - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 16:37:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15203; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:37:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:37:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <020501bf2642$6de82290$6d4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: spacial sound Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:28:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"PJeuG.0.e23.cYA8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'm interested in this discussion of surround sound during live sets. >I'm looking into 2 possibilities for my live gigs:- >1. This is one I used on a theatre project once and I know it works. >What you do is get a couple of these piezo electric tweeters. They're >quite cheap and attatch them in parallel with your existing PA speakers, >(they are high impedance so you don't have to worry about your amp). >Then you stick them high up on a hook on the wall, window sill, beam >etc, (preferably behind the audience). What happens then is that when >your playing the tweeters will naturally pass certain high frequencies >and they will appear to be coming from above/behind. I've actually had >people look around them to locate the sounds. Like I say its dead cheap >and very easy to do live. > I've used this exact set-up before. Works as advertized. :) >2 I've not tried this one. It involves placing a full range speaker >behind the audience and wiring it up to the two live terminals on a >stereo amp. The speaker signal passes the difference between the two >normal stereo channels. Does anyone know the impedance implications of >this before I try it? The theory is that if say you pan a sound from >hard right to hard left, the initial sound will come from right front >and behind , move to the two front speakers only at centre pan and >finally hard left and behind. You can imagine what this would do to a >full dynamic mix. It's an interesting idea. >Has anyone on this list tried these methods? > This is not disimilar from Eno's ambient set-up as explained on the liner notes of Music for Airports (or Discreet Music, I forget which). I've tried this before and it works. What can I say? It sounds very ambient. I would like to try it in a live setting, though. Anyone done it? - Larry (not so grumpy anymore) ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 16:44:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16932; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:44:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:44:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <065101bf2642$a3d49be0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: spacial sound Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:30:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Yk3by1.0.6E3.QcA8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Cool ideas! If I get the time tonight, I'll try number two (the third speaker). I've heard of this set-up before but never have I tried it. Other sites/equipment that sound promising (pun intended) for that spacial sound: Richmond Sound: http://theatre-sound.com/ makers of the "Richmond AudioBox", a 16-by-16 mixer with automation (HD and all). I've heard they just dropped the price from $10,000 to $3,000. Personally, this price moves it from "infeasible" (a.k.a. "dream-on") to "hurts alot but within reach (sell the cat into slavery?)". Sound Travels: http://www.interlog.com/~darcope/adven.html They use the AudioBox in performance. BTW: For the DYI interested in CV pedals, etc., check out PAiA's MIDIBrain kit at http://209.52.185.39/midibrn.htm . Eight CV inputs to MIDI for $90! Unbeleebable! Anybody tried this? And I'm not grumpy... Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 17:33:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28180; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:33:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:33:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009901bf2649$9fb6f920$aef031d4@demon.co.uk> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Loopers Of The World (was 'Music') Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:17:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01BF2649.325EB980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"3w1VD2.0.tI6.1MB8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BF2649.325EB980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris Chovit wrote:- >I've been thinking of upgrading the Loopers of the World site. Perhaps = I >could add an "MP3-link" field, which would link to MP3 files on each of = our >sites. That way, we wouldn't need to upgrade the server space. I = could >also set up some features, like a MP3 page that just listed all the MP3 >links, or a button that plays a random one.... anyone have any = thoughts on >this? Great idea Chris! Count me in if you proceed. While we're on the subject of Loopers' Profiles, I was thinking that it = could be very useful to categorise artists by their real-world location. = Is this feasible? Or perhaps the inclusion of a 'search engine' geared specifically to = Loopers' Profiles would help visitors to avoid trawling through endless = profiles? Just a thought. Anyone else? Lee Fletcher http://www.waterleat.demon.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BF2649.325EB980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris Chovit = wrote:-

>I've been = thinking of=20 upgrading the Loopers of the World site.  Perhaps I
>could = add an=20 "MP3-link" field, which would link to MP3 files on each of=20 our
>sites.  That way, we wouldn't need to upgrade the server = space.  I could
>also set up some features, like a MP3 page = that just=20 listed all the MP3
>links, or a button that plays a random = one.... =20 anyone have any thoughts on
>this?
 

Great idea Chris! Count = me in if you=20 proceed.

While we're on the = subject of Loopers'=20 Profiles, I was thinking that it could be very useful to categorise = artists by=20 their real-world location. Is this feasible?

Or perhaps the inclusion = of a 'search=20 engine' geared specifically to Loopers' Profiles would help visitors to = avoid=20 trawling through endless profiles? Just a thought. Anyone = else?

Lee Fletcher

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------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BF2649.325EB980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 18:19:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06873; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:19:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:19:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991103231448.98191.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.1.142.20] From: "alex stanbury" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Amen Loop Program Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 23:14:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"k1mLY2.0.VW1.R8C8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I stumbled accross your discussion about this program called AMEN and I was wondering if you could please tell me where to get it!! Thanks! Alex ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 19:07:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19533; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:07:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:07:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:45:59 -0500 From: Andreas Willers Subject: EDP warning Sender: Andreas Willers To: Kim Flint Message-ID: <199911031846_MC2-8B9C-68BD@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id SAA13422 Resent-Message-ID: <"Rzagl.0.UI3.obC8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Equipment horror rose it's ugly head again today as my EDP (which is about 12 months old) did not respond to powerup. After I sorted out a single screw falling around inside the chassis I noticed that the main board itself was not fixed AT ALL besides the plug sockets in the back!!! There are four or so holes where obviously screws should have been attached and they are missing save the one that was rattling around and caused the breakdown. Thank god the EDP is running again now but I remember back when a loose screw fucked up my Lexicon PCM 70 real bad. What do these guys think we do with these boxes, put them in the closet and worship? grmbl, now I'll have a hard time putting that thing back together for the road since non-metric screws are hard to get here. Check your units everybody before you go out on the road... Andreas Willers 'Ground Guitar Music', Gigs in Germany in November: 6th, Bergneustadt, Schauspielhaus (close to Cologne -> A4 b. Gummersbach) 17th, Goettingen, Apex (Goettinger Gitarrentage) 18th, Freiberg (Sachsen), Studentenclub 19th, Bad Hersfeld, Buchcafé 25th, Cologne, Loft (w. Matthias Schubert, ts & Frank Koellges, dr /possibly reduced looping content) 30th Wiesbaden, Artist From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 20:33:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00370; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:57:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:57:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 16:32:30 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, AWillers@compuserve.com Subject: Re: EDP warning Resent-Message-ID: <"MS6ZW2.0.gc6.YID8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mine had a loose screw as well... I heard it rattling around when I unpacked the box and opened up the unit, removed the screw as well as maxed the memory... all the other screws were there though. I had a theatre gig starting in 2 days and spent those nights before the gig getting some basics wired on the EDP... Along came tech rehearsal night and everything went fine... I returned the next night for dress rehearsal with a live packed house audience and no EDP baby! I shut it off and rebooted several times (I swear the lcd gave me a 666 readout)... played 5 nights and then sent it back to Mike Ayers who had it repaired... said the system clock (crystal or some such) crapped out. I've yet to get mine to respond to regnen variation using cc changes... got the proper send-receive channels assigned and double checked my cc values... still no regen changes. Delay mode was on... Any suggestions Kim? I love this box as a straight up looper and multiply and insert are awesome... but I've always felt it was a very fragile unit due to the knobs, the weird gain structure, etc. Mine was one of the last ones before they "moved the plant to Opcode" and should have had the resistor upgrade to the gain pot, but I tend to run it at the bottom of it's range and it seems quite sensitive... >>> Andreas Willers 11/03 4:05 PM >>> Equipment horror rose it's ugly head again today as my EDP (which is about 12 months old) did not respond to powerup. After I sorted out a single screw falling around inside the chassis I noticed that the main board itself was not fixed AT ALL besides the plug sockets in the back!!! There are four or so holes where obviously screws should have been attached and they are missing save the one that was rattling around and caused the breakdown. Thank god the EDP is running again now but I remember back when a loose screw fucked up my Lexicon PCM 70 real bad. What do these guys think we do with these boxes, put them in the closet and worship? grmbl, now I'll have a hard time putting that thing back together for the road since non-metric screws are hard to get here. Check your units everybody before you go out on the road... Andreas Willers 'Ground Guitar Music', Gigs in Germany in November: 6th, Bergneustadt, Schauspielhaus (close to Cologne -> A4 b. Gummersbach) 17th, Goettingen, Apex (Goettinger Gitarrentage) 18th, Freiberg (Sachsen), Studentenclub 19th, Bad Hersfeld, Buchcafe 25th, Cologne, Loft (w. Matthias Schubert, ts & Frank Koellges, dr /possibly reduced looping content) 30th Wiesbaden, Artist From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 21:13:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18085; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:13:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:13:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991104020812.93871.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Random Loop Mutation Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 18:08:12 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"rWBvz2.0.RG4.ChE8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's also a program called "Amen". It's mostly intended for 'jungle' musicians, as it's made to randomly re-arrange drum lines while staying in rhythm. Of course, you can load any .wav file into it. It basically divides your wave into even quarters, sixteenths, or whatever and then you press a button to have it randomly rearrange your wave (non destructively). You also have the options of changing the speed (pitch) in bpm and of smoothing out the edits. it's a lot of fun. >From: Cummings >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Random Loop Mutation >Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 00:25:53 +0100 > > > More suggestions for random mutation please! > >audiomulch!!! (windoze only) > >this software can mutate beyond recognition! > >i've some extreme patches if you're intersted ... > >rob > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 21:13:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18210; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:13:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:13:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911031846_MC2-8B9C-68BD@compuserve.com> References: <199911031846_MC2-8B9C-68BD@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:56:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: EDP warning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"3B9y43.0.iW3.2WE8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >There >are four or so holes where obviously screws should have been attached and >they are missing save the one that was rattling around and caused the >breakdown. >What do these guys think we do >with these boxes, put them in the closet and worship? what to say, except "Boycott Gibson"? /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 21:38:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23682; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:38:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:38:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991104021224.30068.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Usward? Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 18:12:24 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"znZ4B3.0.oQ4.zkE8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anybody know about the group Usward? They're from Indiana, use lots of Casio's, and are the brainchild of some guy named J Wander. I found the tape at Amoeba records in San Francisco, loved it, and wrote them a letter. I'd really like to get in touch with them if anybody could offer some information. thanks in advance, Mr. Tough ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 22:09:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30443; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:09:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:09:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991104025110.3220.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Amen Loop Program Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 18:51:10 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"xKd3G3.0.iZ6.IJF8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The beta version (what I have) used to be obtainable through this address: amenbeta@hotmail.com I'm not sure if it still exists. Mr. Tough >From: "alex stanbury" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Amen Loop Program >Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 23:14:48 GMT > >I stumbled accross your discussion about this program called AMEN and I was >wondering if you could please tell me where to get it!! >Thanks! >Alex > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 22:43:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05872; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:43:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:43:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991103220812.007b1c30@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:08:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: spacial sound In-Reply-To: <3820A13D.1C0EE446@dial.pipex.com> References: <199911031629.LAA02915@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QVkdm.0.wS7.AaF8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:55 PM 11/3/99 +0000, you wrote: >....2 I've not tried this one. It involves placing a full range speaker >behind the audience and wiring it up to the two live terminals on a >stereo amp.... Yeah, that's the setup Brian Eno described on the back of one of his albums (I've forgotten which). It does mess with the impedance, though, so be careful of your output transistors! The way it works is by phase cancellation; since the third speaker is connected to the positive terminals of the two stereo channels, any sound common to both channels (i.e. in or near the center of the stereo field) cancels itself out and does not come out of the third speaker. Sounds that are panned hard left or right do come out of the third speaker, sounds appearing at intermediate points in the stereo image show up at different relative volumes due to their particular phase relationship. The effect is that, instead of a clearly defineable third sound source, certain sounds appear to come from points along the triangle formed by the three speakers, thus widening the stereo image and causing the illusion that the stereo field curves back around the listener inside the triangle. It makes the listening environment seem bigger, especially for sounds that pan around. I had my stereo set up this way for most of the early '80's, although the effect is probably too subtle to be of much use in a live-performance situation, unless there's a very low level of ambient noise. It would probably work well on a quiet, ambient art gallery-type gig, but would be pointless in most clubs or bars. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 23:48:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20404; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:48:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:48:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.89ce7e9c.255261df@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:13:19 EST Subject: Re: spacial sound To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y4_dU1.0.HD3.MWG8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/4/99 1:43:03 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: << I had my stereo set up this way for most of the early '80's >> well im late again!.........how do you do this?.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 3 23:48:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20408; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:48:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:48:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005901bf267f$4aa9b040$d632dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <016501bf2634$547baf10$6d4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Subject: Re: Loopers of the World profiles Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:44:28 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"lmwrs2.0.7m4.AzG8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If one has version 5.0 or greater of MS Media Player, looping is possible. Pre-5.0 versions used software calls which had been created as single-tasking processes, way back in the Windows 3.1 days, and performed a Repeat as opposed to a Loop. Some of you folks have heard me bitch about this copiously in the past - but, with 5.0, a free download by the way, looping is really Looping, with no gap. I've been quite pleased with the upgrade! Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear NEW music 11/1 here!) > >Which of the audio formats allow the audio file to be looped? I imagine > >that this is a feature of the player, rather than the audio file itself, > >but I'm not sure. What ever happened to Thomas Dolby's (loopable) audio > >format -- I don't even remember its name..... > > The name of it was/is Beatnik. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 4 00:34:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02892; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:34:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:34:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382109CC.D6042CF4@cdm.sfai.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 21:21:33 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Organization: San Francisco Art Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Best Mac MIDI/Audio program References: <199911031629.LAA02915@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3.0.5.32.19991103220812.007b1c30@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Resent-Message-ID: <"MW-XW.0.Iu6.5RH8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, Many moons ago I got spoiled using Studio Vision Pro. Luckily, I was able to do this for free, as I worked for a music store that carried all the Opcode products. I've also used the Metro/Deck II combo and more recently, just Metro alone (It now has audio recording features) So, while Studio Vision Pro is out of my price range (and frankly, I hate Opcode's stupid protection, as I've had to deal with a lab full of floppyless G3s and Max) I wonder, what have others found? I find Metro (now owned by Twelve Tone) a little obtuse and sound implementation weak. But in my price range, it could be the best solution. Any comments or suggestions would be great. -- Mark Sottilaro | Center for Digital Media Multimedia Specialist | San Francisco Art Institute mark@cdm.sfai.edu | San Francisco, California (415) 771-7020 ext. 4411 | 94133 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 4 09:06:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29323; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:06:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:06:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991104081940.00954c50@unix01.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@unix01.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 08:33:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Best Mac MIDI/Audio program (OT or not?) In-Reply-To: <382109CC.D6042CF4@cdm.sfai.edu> References: <199911031629.LAA02915@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3.0.5.32.19991103220812.007b1c30@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"YEGnc1.0.TY5.vjO8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm not sure if this is off-topic or not. One can do some pretty spiffy looping with a MID/Audio Sequencer. Anyway.... At 09:21 PM 11/3/99 -0700, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >...... >So, while Studio Vision Pro is out of my price range .... > I wonder, what have others found? ..... > Any comments or suggestions would be great. You may find some interesting comments in the recent issue of Keyboard Magazine. They review and compare 5 or 6 such programs. Have you looked at the new prices of Opcode's Software? Vision DSP is about $60 for the download version. **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com **** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd ** http://www.studiodust.com palace://studiodust.com:9996 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 4 09:18:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32405; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:18:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:18:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:12:55 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: TapTech III Concert in Baltimore Saturday night Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qkYeW1.0.7d7._HP8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com German Warr Guitarist/Looper Markus Reuter will be performing his solo loop works for this concert -------------------------- TapTech III Orion Sound Studios 2903 Whittington Ave. Baltimore, MD Saturday, November 6th 1998 8:30PM On the weekend of November 6th a collection of Warr Guitar and Stick Players will be gathering at Orion Sound Studios in Baltimore, Maryland for a weekend of collaborative work studying two handed tapping techniques. As a part of this work, there will be a public performance Saturday night at 8:30pm. The music will range from traditional jazz, progressive rock, fusion to modern rock and more. Admission is $5 for this all ages show. Performers will include: Markus Reuter: German Touch Guitarist Markus Reuter is a member of Discipline Global Mobile recording artists the Europa String Choir as well as the group CENTROZOON. Markus is also an accomplished solo artist with two albums "Taster" and "Containment" released to date. Markus has also collaborated on two albums with synthesist Ian Boddy. For more information about Markus, see http://www.dscplne.demon.co.uk/markus/ Ray Ashley: Ray is a member of psychedelic fusion jammers Three Hour Detour. Ray will be playing a solo set with his 8 and 10 String Austin Douglas Touch Guitars which allow him to play both bass and medley lines at the same time for an amazing experience that'll leave you wondering how all of that sound can come from a single person! For more info, check out: http://mars.superlink.net/~rayash/ William Bajzek: Whether recording or performing solo or in ensembles such as Division Sign and A Fine Day, William's unique musical voice shines through. His debut CD project _A Fine Day_ is a collaboration with brother Peter Bazjek and Kelly McCaffery in an improvisational progressive jazz setting. Their new album "Unmapped" has recently been released as well as William's first solo CD "Stop Requested". See http://www.bajzek.com/william/ Squash: Squash is best described as quirky pop in the tradition of Elvis Costello and They Might Be Giants. They have released one self-titled EP Squash (on their Bite The Bagel record label) and are currently finishing work on a new full length album. Squash's Stick player Christopher Dunne will also be featuring some of his work from his jazz trio Crowley, Dunne and Gaughan. For more information about TapTech seminars for two-handed tap instrumentalists see: http://www.darkaether.net/tt/ Directions: -Take I-95 to exit 50, Caton Ave. (Just inside the south west side of the 695 beltway) -Take Caton Ave south to the third traffic light and turn left onto Washington Blvd -Go 1/4 mile up the hill to the U-Haul sign and turn right onto Inverness. -At the end of Inverness, turn left onto Whittington Ave. -Go to the end of Whittington and turn right into the parking lot at 2903 Whittington, in the Whittington Business Center. -Orion is on the right. ======================================================================== OTHER INFO: Point your favorite web browser to http://www.progrock.net/ or email Adam Levin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 4 12:39:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14168; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:39:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:39:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38219C01.3F20BD20@grape.no> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 15:45:21 +0100 From: mark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Help!!! have I got a problem with Vortex? References: <0.78b25447.2537449d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XFBg71.0.N13.TDS8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear All, I was wondering what problems, if any, anyone has had with a Vortex, I just got mine about 1 month age (OK not brand new) and last night something funny happened, but not quite sure what, first it was stuttering a bit (like a dodgy cable) and then its display was flashing constantly, like it was meant to for some parameter change or something ...except its not supposed to, so.. si swithched it off and went to bed... now it had been left on for about 48 hours, so it was a tad warm, but its cold here in Norway and I have to keep warm somehow :) when i get home i hope its better, but if it isnt.... gulp? Mark Red From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 4 16:08:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32001; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:08:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:08:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BF270B.E61B5E20.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: Help!!! have I got a problem with Vortex? Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:22:09 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LCAjB2.0.SV5.emU8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > first it was stuttering a bit (like a dodgy cable) and > then its display was flashing constantly, > like it was meant to for some parameter > change or something the Vortex doesn't appear to be very stable. If you're lucky, it'll work ok even if it behaves funny sometimes. * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 4 17:48:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22639; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:48:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:48:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 14:08:50 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, mpeters@csi.com Subject: Re: AW: Help!!! have I got a problem with Vortex? Resent-Message-ID: <"omqnp1.0.RE3.SHW8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You know... there are parameter combos which produce some fairly weird shuddering and amplitude stuff which could be mistaken for a fault in the unit... 8-) The rotary encoders are the major culprits with Vortex malfunctions... Lexicon will sell them for around 8-9 dollars each. I installed one in a Vortex behaving weirdly, but it later turned out to be some bad solder joints, they replaced the ROM as well... Good luck! Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." >>> Michael Peters 11/04 12:54 PM >>> > first it was stuttering a bit (like a dodgy cable) and > then its display was flashing constantly, > like it was meant to for some parameter > change or something the Vortex doesn't appear to be very stable. If you're lucky, it'll work ok even if it behaves funny sometimes. * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 03:48:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06049; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:48:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:48:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38229688.3D222283@grape.no> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 09:34:17 +0100 From: mark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: AW: Help!!! have I got a problem with Vortex? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h2vuw.0.bf.UMf8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for your speedy responses, but...um... what/where are the "rotary encoders? Im guessing its the components that do the rotary effects, so Ill go home tonight and check to see if its only the "Rotary" type effects that stutter... I could also do with some discussion as to the best / most flexible place to put a Vortex in the signal path, I use a split signal from my guitar to two stereo effect processors and using it how they suggest places it directly after one of them, making it unusable with the other, but if I put it on sends on my mixer, it doesnt process the sound 100% which is required for some of the patches... somehow I need a mixable insert connection (remember Im a guitarist, its has to be a hands free solution, cos I dont wanna be fiddling with tiny send pots in the dark in the heat of the moment!!!) Help,Im sure there must be some urls discussing this somewhere? M From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 06:00:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29699; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:00:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:00:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911051056.FAA28920@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 16:26:00 +0530 Subject: alternative to Lex Vortex From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BUuy_.0.s57.3Vh8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com First off, thanks for all the Christy Doran info. Now, about the Lexicon Vortex. Never mind why they stopped making it, but what's the best alternative to it now ? Is the MPX 100 capable of Vortex style weirdness ? Anyone know any details about the Boss VF-1, especially what kind of delay time it has ? Salut, - Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 06:05:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30755; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:05:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:05:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d7fabd34.255412f7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:01:11 EST Subject: Re: alternative to Lex Vortex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"_QgVv2.0._Q7.lah8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the mpx 100 has a couple weird programs but won't come close to the vortex in terms of weirdness. good unit on its own merits though. a lot better sounding than comparable alesis units. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 06:20:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01131; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:20:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:20:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38229688.3D222283@grape.no> References: Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:12:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: AW: Help!!! have I got a problem with Vortex? Resent-Message-ID: <"pVBbD.0.j-7.4oh8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 11/4/99 mark said: > >I could also do with some discussion as to the best / most flexible place >to put a Vortex in the signal path, I use a split signal from my guitar to >two stereo effect processors and using it how they suggest places it >directly after one of them, mark, Experiment, experiment, experiment. It is your signal, shape it as you wish. Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 06:27:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02797; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:27:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:27:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991105113151.26104.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:31:51 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: alternative to Lex Vortex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"flFyp2.0.TT.jvh8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Although I've never heard one, I understand that the recently discontinued Korg AM-8000 is capable of the sort of loop mangling wackyness that many people prize in the Vortex. The Korg is probably even easier to find. Here's what dpc had to say..... Subject: Re: DL/AM-8000 vs Vortex? Among the many messages about the Korgs, someone asked: <> I've had a Vortex as well as these Korg pups, so here's my $0.02: There's really nothing like a Vortex--it was uniquely endowed with clever and musical tricks (morphing, odd beat ratios, etc...), and many interface weirdnesses and annoyances, never since duplicated. The Korgs can be similarly described, but the tricks (and weirdnesses) of course are different. The DL's strengths, IMHO, are its delay lengths, the stereo capability, and the preset rhythms in ping-pong multitap mode. I haven't much explored its modulation options, which are pretty rich, because the AM is there to do that kind of thing. IT'S strengths, for me, are modulation and resonance. It's got a good complement of filters, phasers, flangers, shifters, dopplers, mod delays, and ring mod'ers, most of which can really sing, oscillate, and bubble, using lfos built into the algorithms in question. Unfortunately, it has no global lfos, BUT it does have FOUR exp-pedal inputs (seems to require Korg EXP-2 pedals...EV-5s don't work well), and does have pretty good MIDI implementation, as well as mucho routing flexibility--plus the reverbs are not at all bad, and they're in addition to the two identical FX blocks. For more detail on both units, be sure to check out the Korg website, and my reviews of them at harmony-central.com. I believe Guitar Player Mag also reviewed them positively, as did Sound on Sound Mag, which usually has old reviews available at their site. Musician's Fiend is currently selling each one for $350, which is $30 less than best price I had previously found. Retail is $600. Be glad to answer any more particular queries if I can...I don't believe anyone looking for a powerful looper or a creative loop mangler would be disappointed with these badly-marketed tools. dpc ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 07:10:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10116; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:10:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:10:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.aa3df716.25542235@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:06:13 EST Subject: Re: spacial sound To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 137 Resent-Message-ID: <"rBfYu1.0._F2.hXi8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 04/11/99 03:43:01 GMT Standard Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: > Yeah, that's the setup Brian Eno described on the back of one of his albums > (I've forgotten which). Ambient 4 , On Land To make it work the two -VE terminals of the two amps need to be connected as well. (for a stereo amp this is usually the case, but certain stereo amps may be damaged by this) Impedance? probably safer to use an impedance at least twice that of your main speaker, the higher the impedance the less volume you'll get from the extra speaker. The system is assymetric in that the extra spkr is in phase with only one of the main speakers( this situation can be helped with another spkr in series and out of phase with the additional one). I used an ancient spkr with a volume control along with my hi-fi for a while, nice effect. Andy Butler Impedance From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 07:11:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10151; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:11:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:11:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.33cd9c94.25542234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:06:12 EST Subject: Re: Help!!! have I got a problem with Vortex? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 137 Resent-Message-ID: <"V8lVS1.0.aG2.nXi8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 04/11/99 17:39:23 GMT Standard Time, mark@grape.no writes: > change or something ...except its not supposed to, so.. si swithched it off > and > went to bed... now it had been left on for about 48 hours, so it was a tad > warm, > but its cold here in Norway and I have to keep warm somehow :) How warm? Mine stays fairly cool for hours. What's your mains voltage over there? You might like to check that your wall wart is putting out 9V AC, and not more. (Well actually, when it isn't connected to the vortex the wart will give you a higher reading than that, mine gives 10V AC) If the wart's giving out too much voltage I would expect this to cause overheating which could eventually cause a fault, maybe one like yours. Sometimes the gear survives this sort of fault, and starts to work when it cools off , but I wouldn't recommend you to run a device like this, as you may eventually do permanent damage. 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<"t6x-Z3.0.Ks7.wCk8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's a seconding of opinion regarding Vortex: there is really nothing else remotely like it on the planet. I liken it as a musical instrument in itself in many ways. There are so many things you can use it for. Not just looping, but big swirling textures. Here's just a few ideas: o post looper stereoizer processor. o instrument artificial ambience generator and environment simulator. o super stereo simulated leslie cabinet replacement. o audio tweezer and instrument mangler. o makes $99 casio synth sound like a $1500 synth. o makes guitars sound very textural and wonderful. o on vocals - very amazing. you simply have to hear it. o on drum machines - fabulous. tap tempo allows for making a drum machine sound like real drums - the delay ducker also works well in that the tap tempo creates all sorts of counter rhythms and the ducker removes the extra repeats so it sounds like a really good drummer. o I can think of lots more - hallucinogenic drone guitars, big oozing textures. The textures you can create are really amazing. The FX are sometimes otherworldly but the thing sounds consistently warm and wonderful. You just gotta get in there and play with the box. The presets IMHO are too tame. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 09:20:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04429; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:20:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:20:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 05:49:47 -0800 (PST) From: James Pearce X-Sender: jamesrp@iris To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: spacial sound In-Reply-To: <0.aa3df716.25542235@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"VZTth1.0.cA7.A0k8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone have a schematic of this they can scan or draw out and put online? i'm very confused by most of your geeks terminology - heh - and need a better example than whats been discussed. i'm an imbicile...oh well - heh On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: |In a message dated 04/11/99 03:43:01 GMT Standard Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: | |> Yeah, that's the setup Brian Eno described on the back of one of his albums |> (I've forgotten which). |Ambient 4 , On Land | |To make it work the two -VE terminals of the two amps need to be connected as |well. |(for a stereo amp this is usually the case, but certain stereo amps may be |damaged |by this) |Impedance? probably safer to use an impedance at least twice that of your |main speaker, |the higher the impedance the less volume you'll get from the extra speaker. | |The system is assymetric in that the extra spkr is in phase with only one of |the main speakers( this situation can be helped with another spkr in series |and out of phase with the additional one). | |I used an ancient spkr with a volume control along with my hi-fi for a |while, nice effect. | |Andy Butler | | | |Impedance | | | _______________________________________________________________________ James R. Pearce jamesrp@statenet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 10:35:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22230; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:35:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:35:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:13:44 -0500 (EST) From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199911051513.KAA16289@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"MvqJy2.0.pD4.BHl8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #137 November 4, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I began a month-long focus on the DiN label. "Purveyors of fine contemporary electronica," DiN was started by British synthesist Ian Boddy to combine various genres and explore new musical territory. Each DiN release is limited to 1000 copies. The feature CD at midnight was "Box of Secrets" by Ian Boddy. DiN : http://www.DiN.org.uk EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html Steve Roach will appear at the next Gathering on Friday, November 5 in St. Mary's Church Sanctuary. On Saturday, November 6, Steve will give a free workshop there at 6:00 pm. The workshop will be followed at with another Gathering concert with Projekt recording group Black Tape for a Blue Girl. Kevin Bartlett returns for his second Gathering appearance to open the show at 8:00 pm. Music was played in support of these outstanding events. EMUSIC Events : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html The Gathering : http://www.starsend.org/22gather.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Detlef Keller Tear 7 Behind the Tears (Manikin) Frank Van Bogaert Rain Geographic (Groove) VA [Glen Deardorff] Solo Ascent Part 2 Sequences No. 22 (none) Intelligentsia Time Capsule Federation (Groove) Hemisphere Touch the Waves Liquid Mirror (Groove) Black Tape for a Blue For You Will Burn Your Across a Thousand Blades Girl Wings Upon the Sun Pt 2 (Projekt) VA [Kevin Bartlett] Tram Doesn't Stop Here Aural Gratification 1 (Aural Gratification) AirSculpture Fjord Transit * Fjord Transit (Neu Harmony) Steve Roach The Luminous Return Light Fantastic (Fathom) 12:00 am Ian Boddy Frozen Web Box of Secrets (DiN) Ian Boddy Box of Secrets Box of Secrets (DiN) Ian Boddy Shadows in the Sand Box of Secrets (DiN) Ian Boddy There's Something in Box of Secrets (DiN) Your Attic Ian Boddy Walking the Slow Path Box of Secrets (DiN) Ian Boddy Nobody's Home Box of Secrets (DiN) Ian Boddy Hive Culture Box of Secrets (DiN) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on British synthesist Ian Boddy's new label, DiN. The Feature CD at Midnight will be "Distant Rituals" by Ian Boddy and Markus Reuter. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 11:00:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27485; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:00:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:00:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Amen Loop Program Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:50:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <0.111a7fd2.25543473@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"ppYs42.0.dG6.Cql8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oops... <> | -----Original Message----- | From: Crossedout@aol.com [mailto:Crossedout@aol.com] | Sent: Friday 05 November 1999 5:24 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Amen Loop Program | | | Here it is. enjoy. | | - Bill | Crossedout@aol.com | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 11:23:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00566; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:23:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:23:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 10:16:41 -0600 Subject: FS: Vortex $250 (Harmony Central) From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2ORb03.0.Rk7.CCm8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FS: Lexicon Vortex with extras $250 (reduced) Asking Price: US$250 Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: I'm selling a Lexicon Vortex, which includes the power supply, manual, and two Lexicon double Footswitches, and the stereo 1/4" plugs to connect them. The two footswitches allow you to control all 4 footswitchable functions. If you haven't heard of these morphing beatuies, let me know and I'll e-mail a full list of features and effects. In Excellent shape for $250 or best offer, shipping included. Seller: Chad TeBrink, E-mail: boom_dog42@hotmail.com (Profile) Post Date: 11/5/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 12:04:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10155; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:04:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:04:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38230CCD.ACFDDE32@minds-eye.org> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 11:58:53 -0500 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Expression/Volume pedals References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t0f5R.0.xB2.5qm8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A while back people were talking about the Proel 16 something or other, volume pedal at American Musical Supply. Does anyone know if these will work as expression pedals for say, a Vortex or a Zoom pedal? What exactly does a pedal need to work as an expression pedal (generally)? Will any volume pedal work (why, why not)? Thanks for the input Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 12:00:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09086; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:00:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:00:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:52:03 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, mark@grape.no Subject: Re: AW: Help!!! have I got a problem with Vortex? Resent-Message-ID: <"fmyuf1.0.ms1.Hkm8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> mark 11/05 12:46 AM >>> Thanks for your speedy responses, but...um... what/where are the "rotary encoders? Im guessing its the components that do the rotary effects, so Ill go home tonight and check to see if its only the "Rotary" type effects that stutter... Nice try Mark, but it's not related to rotary effects... It's the two knobs with multiple parameters. The other knob is the input level knob which has a smooth feel. There's the value knob as well which feels like the other two rotary encoders but I'm not sure if it's the same value and model. As for routing... Vortex does like being in line serially best. I've used it after my main guitar signal / after my looper / and on aux busses as well (some of the more radical helicopter sounds and pitch warps still work well on aux busses and allow you to move 'em around to various channels... The most versatile placement for me was on the alt 3/4 buss on my Mackie... There's an alt 3/4 button on each channel which sends *stereo* to the alt 3/4 outputs... then I return it to another channel so I can still loop it by sending on an aux buss. I could push the alt button on and channel to send anything I wanted to the Vortex... -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 12:19:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14061; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:19:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:19:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:57:01 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, wedgehed@yahoo.com Subject: Re: alternative to Lex Vortex Resent-Message-ID: <"vZ6ig.0.n72.iom8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Unfortunately, Korg has discontinued the AM8000R and DL8000R... They can still be found at various retail outlets though... good luck. I've got an AM8000R on layaway... they blew them out for $300 at Synthony... maybe there's still another one there. You can find a few DL8000R's at Musician's Friend for, I believe around $340 or $350... Get 'em while you can! Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." >>> John Tidwell 11/05 3:26 AM >>> Although I've never heard one, I understand that the recently discontinued Korg AM-8000 is capable of the sort of loop mangling wackyness that many people prize in the Vortex. The Korg is probably even easier to find... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 12:29:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16033; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:29:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:29:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Tom Ritchford'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boycott everyone Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:16:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"opXoP2.0.rY3.D9n8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh yeah. Sure, let's boycott Gibson, and Fender too, while we're at it: I have a guitar that has had some loose machine heads. Oh, and let's boycott Roland. I think they price-gouge. And does anyone else think Guitar Center could do with some more knowledgable in-store personel. Why not boycott them too? And I remember once having a memorable conversation with a Director of Marketing at a Mountain View, CA company specializing in music software. This gentleman was quite rude and confrontational to me before I even had a chance to present the context of my call. Quite uninspiring. Then again, this same company seems to have been so unsuccessful at making a mark while its competition streaks away with market share, that I hear the company is going to (or maybe has already) layed-off some of its employees. While I feel sorry for those employees, and I have no information one way or another about the issues they faced,I wonder if there is any link between their unfortunate fate and this company's marketing? dk -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP warning >There >are four or so holes where obviously screws should have been attached and >they are missing save the one that was rattling around and caused the >breakdown. >What do these guys think we do >with these boxes, put them in the closet and worship? what to say, except "Boycott Gibson"? /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 12:44:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20498; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:44:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:44:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:36:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Boycott everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"TOScI2.0.Lr4.CQn8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Oh yeah. Sure, let's boycott Gibson, and Fender too, while we're at it: I >have a guitar that has had some loose machine heads. Whoops, I should have put this into context. Gibson recently bought Opcode Systems and is apparently using cruel legal tactics to completely dismantle the system. Since I make heavy use of Opcode's products, I'm pretty upset along with other people on the Opcode mailing list. So we are starting a Boycott Gibson campaign. Here's a URL with more information: here's a quote from the CEO of Gibson (from legal records, apparently!) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 09:54:00 +0000 From: Doug Michael Reply-To: dmic27@ncal.verio.com Organization: Angular Momentum CD's X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: SEAMUS AudioClip Web Concert References: <38230CCD.ACFDDE32@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"riPr91.0.lC5.nVn8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, If anyone is interested the annual SEAMUS (Society of Electro Acoustic Music in the Untied States) AudioClip Web Concert is up and running for the month of November. I have a looped piece included called "Slide" - I'm using an Electro-Harmonix 16 second delay. http://seamus.lsu.edu/audioclips/ -end of shameless plug- Doug Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 13:30:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32481; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:30:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:30:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282D8D0@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Expression/Volume pedals Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:25:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"YijXD2.0.xe7.S4o8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, on my miiiiiiiiiiidddddddddiiiiiiiiiiii mitigator pedalboard I use a really cheap analog volume pedal ($20.00 sam ash). I mean this thing is cheap. Weak at best as a volume pedal, but does a great job as an expression pedal.I tried an expensive yamaha expression pedal and it wouldn't work at all. I thought it had something to do with the ohm rating of the pot in the pedal. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidddddddddddddddiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!! what a fun word!!! Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com Subject: Expression/Volume pedals From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 13:53:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06127; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:53:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:53:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 10:46:45 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Alternative to Vortex / Expression Pedals... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA04594 Resent-Message-ID: <"fhAmw1.0.881.TPo8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just got off the phone with Synthony in Pheonix... no more Korg AM8000R's there... Regarding midi... I use EV-5's with my PMC-10 and they've been just fine... I'm going to try a couple Proels soon as well. I hear they work the same as the EV-5. The recent post tipping us off about the Paia 8 cv input MIDI BRAIN kit looks great. I'm hoping to build a Brain into a midi pedal board with 5 or 6 ExPeds on a small riser right behind my PMC-10... Since I sold all my non-midi stuff (Vortexes and JamMan) I won't have any extra dedicated switches except the EDP's and the midi board. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 14:33:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14450; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:33:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:33:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227D67@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: Spatial sound Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:51:00 -0500 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227D67@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BF27BE.B3C9D362" Resent-Message-ID: <"QH4qK1.0.tT1.9Uo8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BF27BE.B3C9D362 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello folks, First off, let's get the spelling correct. Secondly, I'm probably chiming in a bit late, and this is a slightly off-topic subject, but I just wanted to add my tuppence to the pot. OK, here goes: >At 08:55 PM 11/3/99 +0000, you wrote: (Sorry, I missed the original, so I don't know who "you" are) >>....2 I've not tried this one. It involves placing a full range speaker >>behind the audience and wiring it up to the two live terminals on a >>stereo amp.... >Yeah, that's the setup Brian Eno described on the back of one of his albums >(I've forgotten which). On Land (Ambient 4) >It does mess with the impedance, though, so be >careful of your output transistors! The way it works is by phase >cancellation; I always thought it was much simpler, i.e. a potential difference (this may amount to the same thing - most of the electronics I learned back in college 20+ years ago has long since flown the coop). A mono signal, dead centre will present an equal potential at both hot terminals, and hence no current flow. The greater the L/R difference, the more volume from the rear speaker. >I had my stereo set up this way for most of the early '80's >Tim Me too. Back into the '70s too. >I used an ancient spkr with a volume control along with my hi-fi for a >while, nice effect. >Andy Butler Ditto. I also had a little box made by Dynaco called a Quadaptor (still do, as a matter of fact - should get it hooked up again). It essentially did the same thing, but split the rear into two speakers with a resistor bridge. There was a switch for shutting off the rear speakers, as well as a volume control. To bring this a little closer to the list subject, loops do sound great with this set-up, especially if there is lots of panning. One thing I always liked listening to, although it didn't actually use loops, is the beginning of side 3 from "Tales From Topographic Oceans" by Yes. The xylophone and drums seem to be flying all over the place! The effect of this set-up is enhanced if listening is done in darkness, the darker the better, so that there is little or no visual reference for sound location. An easy way of simulating this arrangement can be achieved with open-air type headphones (walkperson types are good, especially if they have their own volume control). If the ear-pieces are placed slightly behind the ears, one even gets closer to a 360 degree field. Of course this only works if the speakers and headphones can run at the same time, or if the headphones can run from an alternate source (tape deck, CD player, etc.). Adjust headphone volume to taste. Try it; you'll like it! 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ADwxMzhGQUYwRDM3MjJEMzExQkFEMDAwMDBGODA5MzE2MzIyN0Q2N0BoZG8tZXhjaGFuZ2UuY29y cG9yYXRlLnNvdXRoYW0uY2E+AADSyA== ------_=_NextPart_000_01BF27BE.B3C9D362-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 5 15:36:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29640; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:36:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:36:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001001bf27c8$c600b1e0$994badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Spatial sound Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:03:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"jpiOj1.0.HC5.YUp8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >An easy way of simulating this arrangement can be achieved with open-air >type headphones (walkperson types are good, especially if they have their >own volume control). If the ear-pieces are placed slightly behind the ears, >one even gets closer to a 360 degree field. Of course this only works if the >speakers and headphones can run at the same time, or if the headphones can >run from an alternate source (tape deck, CD player, etc.). Adjust headphone >volume to taste. > Another neat trick for recording: get yourself a syrofoam "wig" dummy-head and place/pin one tiny mic where each ear would be on the dummy-head. Then send the signal from your deck into the room to be recorded by the dummy. This technique effectively reproduces the stereo field. (Watch for phase, though.) It can be equally effective reproducing an "ambient" speaker set up too! There was a well-know product in the '80s called 'ringo' based on this exact concept. Check it out! - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 00:09:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11680; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:09:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:09:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <0.ea0d8c8c.25551049@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:02:01 EST Subject: Re: Boycott everyone To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"HBKf11.0.TM2.1Qx8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I sympathize, but your boycott will affect Gibson about as much as a fart in a whirlwind. my 2 cents. Bill "Hawkeye" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 01:14:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29397; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:14:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:14:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991106010759.007ade70@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 01:07:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Banco de Gaia (was Live gig rig logistics) In-Reply-To: <0.111a7fd2.25543473@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IhYlz1.0.pv6.lOy8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Those of you who followed the recent live set-up solutions thread and the "are computers reliable enough to gig with" one of a few months back might enjoy this link: While it's more specifically about sequencing than looping per se, Toby Marks does use a lot of loops in his music, so it's not COMPLETELY off-topic! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 01:29:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32689; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:29:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:29:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.aa482312.255521d8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:16:56 EST Subject: mr bungle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"vwZUD.0.JR7.GWy8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com after the posts on "mr. bungle" a few months ago, i really wanted to hear them.....and surprise, surprise, tonite, out of the blue, one of my co-workers brought me in their cd "california".......ouch.......what fun.......am now listening to it for the first time thru phones.....hate phones, but love life and i would be killed by my family if i had this cranked at this time of nite........very nice music .......... could i say, almost zappa-esque?.....also, i am being knocked out by the production.......and this made me think of my music...............im finding that quite often, im more concerned with how my music "sounds", rather that what the content is.......what does this mean?............the cd just ended, thanks for letting me know about this group..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 02:00:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05782; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 02:00:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 02:00:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.4eadad5a.25552a3c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:52:44 EST Subject: Eventide DSP 4500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"GS7nF3.0.hA1.s1z8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am looking into using the DSP 4500 for live and studio performance. The descriptions in the manual are very impressive, but I haven't actually tried to get it to work yet! Does anyone have any experience with this VERY EXPENSIVE (and complicated) device? (or the "Orville)? John Mark Painter johnflem@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 02:23:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10522; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 02:23:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 02:23:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911060716.CAA08798@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:31:24 +0530 Subject: Re: Random Loop Mutation From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mmDGB2.0.n92.oMz8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mac users get : thOnk_0+2 http://www.audioease.com Uses Granular Synthesis to work it's voodoo. No user controls. Completely random. Very kewl. System requirements : Macintosh PowerPC or a Macintosh 680x0 with a mathematical coprocessor (FPU), with 1 megabyte of free RAM and system 7.0 or higher. Also, a wee looping toy built using Max/MSP : Groove Machine ftp://ftp.ircam.fr/pub/forumnet/public/GM.sea.hqx - Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 02:23:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10526; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 02:23:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 02:23:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911060716.CAA08861@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:29:15 +0530 Subject: MOTU Performer new features From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X_JRX1.0.hA2.MNz8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Interesting, with re. to looping : http://www.harmonycentral.com/Newp/107AES/MOTU/Digital-Performer-Preview.htm l (URL's a bit long, hope it makes it ok., just in case, the last bit is "/Digital-Performer-Preview.html" ) thOnk_0+2 - Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 05:21:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06922; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 05:21:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 05:21:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 05:13:40 -0500 From: Andreas Willers Subject: mr bungle Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199911060513_MC2-8BEE-7D59@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id FAA05844 Resent-Message-ID: <"PFDEx1.0.ZR1.zz_8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com "quite often, im more concerned with how my music "sounds", rather that what the content is.......what does this mean?" -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- as a musician/composer involved in the process of originating and acually performing the music it's the hardest thing to justly decide a studio take, a concert etc. Mostly you are concerned about playing mistakes, sounds and sound quality, but you are much too close to judge about the overall gesture. Sort of like, 'Can't see the forest, there are so many trees...' Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 07:20:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25827; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 07:20:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 07:20:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00eb01bf2850$db239460$36c1d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "X-ray" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Tim Reynolds (of Dave Mathews Band fame) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 06:06:16 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lisG91.0.V66.Fm19u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I caught the Tim Reynolds Electric Trio in Memphis last night. This is the Tim Reynolds that plays electric guitar on all the Dave Mathews Band recordings as well as Dave's acousitc duo partner on numerous tours, and on Dave and Tim's recent Live at Luther College. Wild show. Industrial, funky, and heavy. And Tim's quite a showman. Not at all the tastefull acoustic stuff most of the crowd was expecting. Tim's been using a Boss DD-5 for looping for years. And while the DD-5 might seem to be on the LOW end of the looping totem pole, (what is it like 2 seconds of loop time??) he manages to exploit its full potential...and amazingly so. I'll say this: if he can manage to do THAT with a DD-5, then he makes a great argument for us getting off our asses waiting for the next EDP/Boomerang upgrade/DL-4. By the way he's a very nice guy and I had the pleasure of chatting with him afterward. Just don't expect any DMBand hits if you go check him out :-))))) MicahH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 09:41:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18324; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 09:41:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 09:41:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.3da46b35.255595a1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 09:30:57 EST Subject: Lex Vortex Info request To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 137 Resent-Message-ID: <"geQHX1.0._64.jl39u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK I've asked before so thanks to those who replied but can anyone send details of expression pedals to work with the Vortex. I've tried the list archive search, but only get recent posts for the vortex,(problems?) I remember people mentioning an EV unit and one by Proel (???) Please send info, it's for the Vortex Database. You get a credit, and a link if you want one. thanks Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 09:41:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18327; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 09:41:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 09:41:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.92831fb5.255595a0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 09:30:56 EST Subject: Re: alternative to Lex Vortex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 137 Resent-Message-ID: <"lt0lR.0.R74.rl39u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 05/11/99 10:59:49 GMT Standard Time, skyfyre_dys@yahoo.com writes: > Now, about the Lexicon Vortex. Never mind why they stopped making it, but > what's the best alternative to it now ? Is the MPX 100 capable of Vortex > style weirdness ? Some of the Vortex sounds are to be found on the MPX1 and the G2 (say Lexicon) , (but no audio morphing.) but I don't think this runs to anything like the full glory of the Vortex..... and quite pricey. Lexicon's PCM81 looks like it would do all the vortex stuff and much more (long delays as well) but the price tag is great. MPX 100 has no vortex sounds. Mainly pretty processing with a couple of off the wall FX as a bonus. Chorus/flange/rotating all v.good but unfortunatly subtle. Excellent tremelo/pan though. 2.5s looper. Best reverbs. Cheap way to get Vortex type polyrhythm echoes (though no tap time or panning) is the Behringer Virtuallizer. 2 echoes (not infinite) of up to 5s each. Extreme and tweakable flange/chorus/vibrato from the Behringer Modulizer. Also ringmod and (excellent) resonators. Note, the Behringer gear is very cheap, but there seems to be some kind of ethical objection to the company which you might want to check out . (Personnaly I can't see they're worse than the others) Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 09:41:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18309; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 09:41:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 09:41:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.91d80b6.255595a2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 09:30:58 EST Subject: Re: AW: Help!!! have I got a problem with Vortex? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 137 Resent-Message-ID: <"s5ooW3.0.v64.jl39u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 05/11/99 08:47:51 GMT Standard Time, mark@grape.no writes: > I could also do with some discussion as to the best / most flexible place > to put a Vortex in the signal path, it works well anywhere. if using in conjunction with a looper then putting the V after lets you stereoise the loop, but putting it first lets you layer up different vortex sounds. >I use a split signal from my guitar to > two stereo effect processors and using it how they suggest places it > directly after one of them, making it unusable with the other, but if I > put it on sends on my mixer, it doesnt process the sound 100% which is > required for some of the patches... Can you use pre fade aux sends, or switch off the channel routing to the main O/P of the mixer(depends what you r mixer can do. otherwise........ I recommend you try the Vortex after the mixer, and see if you like it. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 10:28:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27658; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:28:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:28:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991106102802.007a88b0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: coirbidh_99@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 10:28:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Scott A. Martin" Subject: Confused about Headrush operation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-amNG1.0.lV6.rV49u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings! I'm a guitarist who's interested in getting into looping (force-feeding myself too much Torn, I guess), and I've been looking around to find a good entry-level looper. I'm interested in the Akai Headrush, but the descriptions I've been able to find about its operation leave me somewhat confused. Maybe some of you can help me out. Here's the scenario: I'm ready to record a loop. Following along with Alan Imberg's description of the 'rush on the LD site, I press the left button to activate the looping function, and then the right button to begin recording. I play my initial loop and click the right button a second time to close it. This is where I get confused. Does the 'rush immediately (1) go into overdub mode, or (2) start to play back my loop in playback mode? If it's overdubbing, can I stop overdubbing and then restart? If it's playing back, how do I get it to overdub? How does the "strip back to your initial loop" function work? And finally, has anybody had any luck using this in an amp's effects loop rather than between guitar and amp? I'd hoped to find the Headrush manual online, but Akai in its infinite wisdom has apparently decided that anything that doesn't involve MIDI doesn't need a posted manual. ("It's a stompbox - any idiot guitarist can operate a stompbox!") I hope some of you more experienced loopersons can help me out. And Mr. Torn, if you're reading - this is all your fault! Thanks! =) Scott Martin Morrigan Records scott@morriganrecords.com http://www.morriganrecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 11:26:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06487; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:26:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:26:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 08:06:08 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: compresssor sidechain X-Sender-Ip: 207.44.83.195 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O2Kht.0.ad.2959u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what 9is the minimum number of mixer in/outs you need to make the sidechain function on a alesis compressor work. i only have a dj mixer . willmit workmfor me -- On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:50:08 Javier Miranda V. wrote: >Oops... > ><> > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Crossedout@aol.com [mailto:Crossedout@aol.com] > | Sent: Friday 05 November 1999 5:24 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: Amen Loop Program > | > | > | Here it is. enjoy. > | > | - Bill > | Crossedout@aol.com > | > > -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 11:29:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06858; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:29:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:29:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002501bf2871$3a73b420$804badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Boycott everyone Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:08:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"XXyKc1.0.sd.4959u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Historical Note: Boycotts only work during "hard times". There's too much money floating around these days for anyone to give a damn. Especially Gibson. - Larry -----Original Message----- From: Hawkeye255@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, November 06, 1999 12:16 AM Subject: Re: Boycott everyone >I sympathize, but your boycott will affect Gibson about as much as a fart in >a whirlwind. my 2 cents. > > >Bill "Hawkeye" > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 12:57:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23430; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:57:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:57:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005d01bf287f$90144b70$804badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: compressor sidechain Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:51:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"03Ro_.0.EQ5.ue69u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It depends on how you want to use the compressor. If you want to use the sidechain for "ducking" in a DJ situation, e.g., trigger the compressor with your voice to automatically lower the background music, that's one thing. If you want to control the level of one audio source via limiting using the input from another audio source as a threshhold controller, that's another. You're not really limited by the number of mixer ins and outs per se. What's your set-up??? - Larry -----Original Message----- From: mark givens To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, November 06, 1999 11:32 AM Subject: compresssor sidechain > what 9is the minimum number of mixer in/outs you need to make the sidechain function on a alesis compressor work. i only have a dj mixer . willmit workmfor me >-- > >On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:50:08 Javier Miranda V. wrote: >>Oops... >> >><> >> >> | -----Original Message----- >> | From: Crossedout@aol.com [mailto:Crossedout@aol.com] >> | Sent: Friday 05 November 1999 5:24 AM >> | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> | Subject: Re: Amen Loop Program >> | >> | >> | Here it is. enjoy. >> | >> | - Bill >> | Crossedout@aol.com >> | >> >> > > >-- >Join the most exciting community of women on the web! >iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, >your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, >and dozens of problem-solving tools. >http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 14:45:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12571; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:45:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:45:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aden@pop.ne.mediaone.net Message-Id: Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:26:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Aden Evens Subject: Jamman prices Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"5Utm-3.0.Z52.2489u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi All, I am just wondering what the going (fair) price is for a 32 sec Jamman with pedal and manual. I have one to sell and don't know how much to ask for it. (They were really expensive for a while, but I get the feeling they have come down.) Thanks for your help, ### ## ### Aden ### ## ### From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 15:22:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21064; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:22:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:22:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: Jamman prices Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:00:55 -0800 Message-ID: <001501bf2891$a2b36ce0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"bCUQY2.0.Uv3.RY89u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Auction it off on e-bay- or sell it to me for $5! Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Aden Evens [mailto:aden@who.net] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 1999 11:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jamman prices Hi All, I am just wondering what the going (fair) price is for a 32 sec Jamman with pedal and manual. I have one to sell and don't know how much to ask for it. (They were really expensive for a while, but I get the feeling they have come down.) Thanks for your help, ### ## ### Aden ### ## ### From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 15:29:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22479; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:29:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:29:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991106200502.65436.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [134.155.18.70] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: test Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 12:05:02 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"JyCPO.0.OE4.Ye89u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry folks. Just a test. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 17:14:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10340; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:14:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:14:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <0.5696cae4.25560154@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:10:28 EST Subject: Re: Jamman prices To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"3YG143.0.SQ2.EUA9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com you can pretty much name your price these days. maybe you could barter for something cool. good luck. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 19:47:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09359; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:47:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:47:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991106102802.007a88b0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:30:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Confused about Headrush operation Resent-Message-ID: <"YUm-S2.0.YN1.XWC9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Scott Martin wrote: >Greetings! I'm a guitarist who's interested in getting into looping >(force-feeding myself too much Torn, I guess), and I've been looking around >to find a good entry-level looper. I'm interested in the Akai Headrush, >but the descriptions I've been able to find about its operation leave me >somewhat confused. Maybe some of you can help me out. Here's the scenario: > >I'm ready to record a loop. Following along with Alan Imberg's description >of the 'rush on the LD site, I press the left button to activate the >looping function, and then the right button to begin recording. I play my >initial loop and click the right button a second time to close it. No, you press te LEFT button to close the loop. I didn't like this at first, but now I like it, due to the fact that you can restart (recording) a loop with a single button press (i.e. the RIGHT button), w/o having to press a button in between (like UNDO on the Echoplex DP). This "single-button-restart" is convenient when you screw up recording a loop right at the very end....with a single button press, you can hit the Start again right on the ONE (Bootsy would be proud!) and be recording the loop again on the next pass. This doesn't happen all the time, for me, but the feature is nice for the few times it does. Also, after a while, I got used to starting and stopping the loop with different buttons. This is >where I get confused. Does the 'rush immediately (1) go into overdub mode, >or (2) start to play back my loop in playback mode? #2. --- Once you end the loop with the LEFT button, it goes into playback mode. If it's overdubbing, >can I stop overdubbing and then restart? If it's playing back, how do I >get it to overdub? You get it into overdub by pressing the RIGHT button again. How does the "strip back to your initial loop" function >work? When you go into overdub mode (with the RIGHT button), you have to end it with the LEFT button for the overdub to stay in the loop. However, if you hit the RIGHT button (the second time) w/o hitting the LEFT, it will erase ALL the previously recorded overdubs (including the one you just played) and begin recording a new overdub (the original loop is preserved). Good luck, Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 6 20:16:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15023; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 20:16:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 20:16:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3824D272.A3AE57AA@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 20:14:27 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iLeaS.0.EN3.P6D9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Great Idea, I have just gotten use space on the web to upload mp3s, There is so much music to hear from list members. One more improvement that would be nice is a better color scheme for new visited link on the member as I cannot tell who the new ones are and who I have checked out befoe. peace, jd Chris Chovit wrote: > I've been thinking of upgrading the Loopers of the World site. Perhaps I > could add an "MP3-link" field, which would link to MP3 files on each of our > sites. That way, we wouldn't need to upgrade the server space. I could > also set up some features, like a MP3 page that just listed all the MP3 > links, or a button that plays a random one.... anyone have any thoughts on > this? > > - Chris > > >>What if we created a central site where we all post our music in the MP3 > >>format? > > > >>I don't know about the rest of you, but my music tends to be anywhere > >>from 10 to 20 minutes per piece, and often has accompanying video. This > >>means large, slow to download files. > > > >Not a bad idea but only folks with killer computers and a > >megabit connection to the Web would be able to enjoy such a > >high-bandwidth site. > > > >Kinda limiting, I think. > > > >- Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 7 10:52:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13497; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:52:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:52:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: olszewbt@flyernet.udayton.edu Message-Id: <199911071543.KAA26608@elwood.udayton.edu> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:43:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: de-subscribe from mailing list Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Resent-Message-ID: <"5Et5M2.0.5p2._uP9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello loopers delight. I would like to de-subscribe from the mailing list, because I find that my e-mail is becoming a real pain in the rear with all these messages. My e-mail address is olszewbt@flyernet.udayton.edu, so please remove me from the list. Thanks a lot Brandon Olszewski From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 7 11:41:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24703; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:41:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:41:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382562E8.8A74A1AB@gis.net> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 12:30:54 +0100 From: Paul Sullivan Reply-To: paulsull@gis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: EDP footswitch wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2fg2M1.0.CN5.iaQ9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am now the proud owner of an EDP (finally), but unfortunately without a footswitch. Does anyone out there have one to sell or trade, possibly someone with two EDP's synced together that's using only one footswitch? I really love this unit, and hats off to any and all involved-it's a great machine, and finding one has been a holy grail for me. I'm using momentary switches now for record and overdub, but it would be really nice to be able to control the other functions like insert and undo with my foot. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks very much, P. Sullivan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 7 13:55:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18488; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:55:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:55:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.7bb96be7.2557219b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:40:27 EST Subject: Re: Expression/Volume pedals To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 137 Resent-Message-ID: <"zOAgd.0.vm3.cVS9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 05/11/99 17:04:39 GMT Standard Time, kevin@minds-eye.org writes: > What exactly > does a pedal need to work as an expression pedal (generally)? Will any > volume pedal work (why, why not)? Expression pedals and volume pedals both (usually) work by a mechanical action which turns the spindle of a potentiometer (=pot) pots come in a number of varieties, but most are either linear or logarithmic log. pots are used as volume controls for audio signals, most of the resistance is at the 'full on' end of scale which is supposed to compensate for the way in which we perceive volume. We hear twice the energy in an audio signal as being 'a step louder', roughly an anti-logarithmic response. Using a linear pot as a volume control would mean the amount of audio energy would be proportional to how far the pot was turned, so our ears would tell us that 'all all the volume is in the first half'. Also many volume pedals, especially the older ones don't turn the pot through its full range ( you have to turn up a the amp to compensate) An expression pedal wants an even sweep of voltage across the whole range, hence a linear pot which must be swept through its entire range. Hope that helps. (?) Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database (new section on foot devices) http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 7 13:58:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18845; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:58:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:58:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002a01bf294f$e2e9edc0$df82b3d1@bob> From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" To: Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds (of Dave Mathews Band fame) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:41:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"sJRWJ.0.0G4.WeS9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy I have done an entire looping CD using exclusively the DD5. The CD 'Experiance Cloud" is a Crab cannon using Stick and DD5 loops. Anybody want to trade there looping CD for this ? Colin Jenkinson | nosnikneJ niloC P.S. Greg Howard, Dave Mathew's Stick player, and Guillermo Cede's are very fond of this recording. >I caught the Tim Reynolds Electric Trio in Memphis last night. This is the >Tim Reynolds that plays electric guitar on all the Dave Mathews Band >recordings as well as Dave's acousitc duo partner on numerous tours, and on >Dave and Tim's recent Live at Luther College. Wild show. Industrial, >funky, and heavy. And Tim's quite a showman. Not at all the tastefull >acoustic stuff most of the crowd was expecting. Tim's been using a Boss >DD-5 for looping for years. And while the DD-5 might seem to be on the LOW >end of the looping totem pole, (what is it like 2 seconds of loop time??) he >manages to exploit its full potential...and amazingly so. I'll say this: >if he can manage to do THAT with a DD-5, then he makes a great argument for >us getting off our asses waiting for the next EDP/Boomerang upgrade/DL-4. >By the way he's a very nice guy and I had the pleasure of chatting with him >afterward. Just don't expect any DMBand hits if you go check him out >:-))))) > >MicahH > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 7 15:14:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02481; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 15:14:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 15:14:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 12:08:48 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP footswitch wanted In-reply-to: <382562E8.8A74A1AB@gis.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"eNM4y3.0.lG.znT9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:30 AM -0800 11/7/99, Paul Sullivan wrote: >I am now the proud owner of an EDP (finally), but unfortunately without >a footswitch. Does anyone out there have one to sell or trade, possibly >someone with two EDP's synced together that's using only one footswitch? >I really love this unit, and hats off to any and all involved-it's a >great machine, and finding one has been a holy grail for me. I'm using >momentary switches now for record and overdub, but it would be really >nice to be able to control the other functions like insert and undo with >my foot. Any help would be greatly appreciated. check the echoplex footpedal tutorial on the LD site. there is a section there on how to build your own pedal. It's easy: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 7 17:12:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29451; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:12:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:12:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002501bf2871$3a73b420$804badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> References: <002501bf2871$3a73b420$804badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 16:49:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Boycott everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"BHGGD3.0.KY6.2QV9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Historical Note: Boycotts only work during "hard times". There's too >much money floating around these days for anyone to give a damn. >Especially Gibson. We'll see. We can certainly piss them off if nothing else. There are in 40,000+ Vision users alone. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 7 20:08:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04178; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 20:08:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 20:08:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991107200229.007a6250@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 20:02:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Boycott everyone In-Reply-To: References: <002501bf2871$3a73b420$804badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> <002501bf2871$3a73b420$804badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ae_Ah.0.jg.J6Y9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ah, they'd just raise their prices and list, say, a Les Paul Custom for $3,600. Oh wait, they already did... :-P Seriously, not only do boycotts only work during "hard times", they also only work when they're done by a large enough percentage of a company's customers and when the company's "bread and butter" products are not being purchased. Regardless of how many people use Opcode products or are waiting for EDPs, Gibson's main line is, was and will be wooden things with frets and strings. This thread began with a quality-control observation: the screws holding the EDP's circuit board don't always stay in. (And I'm pretty sure it was posted in the spirit of community as a heads up to other EDP owners so they could check theirs, not as a slam against Gibson.) This would not be a difficult thing for Gibson to fix, maybe a little LocTite on the assembly line or a little more torque on the screwdriver, a dab of enamel, whatever. We've got to remember that we're talking about a product that represents a miniscule fraction of Gibson's business and that the looping community is not really an accurate cross section of Gibson's overall market. Most of us on this list would love to be able to buy a new EDP (or two) at any music store with no waiting, but the average Gibson customer's interest is considerably less. Sure, if all 40,000+ Vision users had been planning on purchasing new Gibson guitars but bought Fenders en masse instead to avenge Opcode, Gibson would indeed be "pissed", but that's not really the likeliest scenario. So, a boycott?! Wouldn't it make more sense to stay civil about it? If Gibson is made aware that the screws are falling out of the boards, they can easily remedy the problem and improve the product. There're probably enough suits in Gibson's boardroom who don't envision a high enough profit margin for the EDP anyway or see it as a dispensible ancillary tie-in or some other trendy marketing buzzword for "special interest product"; why should we antagonize the folks at Gibson who DO believe in the EDP and ARE working to get production going again. Getting reactionary about it's not going to change what happened with Opcode, that's for sure. Tim At 04:49 PM 11/7/99 -0500, you wrote: >>Historical Note: Boycotts only work during "hard times". There's too >>much money floating around these days for anyone to give a damn. >>Especially Gibson. > >We'll see. We can certainly piss them off if nothing else. >There are in 40,000+ Vision users alone. > > /t > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 7 21:26:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20832; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:26:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:26:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012F2481B420D211BE5A00A0C9CDAFBA020F91AC@il0015exch006u.ih.lucent.com> From: "Weideman, Gary L (Gary)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Jamman prices Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:54:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"rZhVK1.0.dY3.asY9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Aden, I'm intersted in your Jamman. I have a Roland GR-30 Guitar synth that I can trade even up in great shape. If that is not possible let me know what you are asking. Gary Weideman 630-979-4957 > ---------- > From: Aden Evens[SMTP:aden@who.net] > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 1999 1:26 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Jamman prices > > Hi All, > > I am just wondering what the going (fair) price is for a 32 sec Jamman > with pedal and manual. I have one to sell and don't know how much to ask > for it. (They were really expensive for a while, but I get the feeling > they have come down.) Thanks for your help, > > ### ## ### > Aden > ### ## ### > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 7 21:32:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22017; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:32:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:32:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 18:07:55 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Boycott everyone In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"PwKPm.0.6K4.r4Z9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:36 AM -0800 11/5/99, Tom Ritchford wrote: >>Oh yeah. Sure, let's boycott Gibson, and Fender too, while we're at it: I >>have a guitar that has had some loose machine heads. > >Whoops, I should have put this into context. > >Gibson recently bought Opcode Systems and is apparently using >cruel legal tactics to completely dismantle the system. [snip] >Here's a URL with more information: > > My interpretation of the URL you posted is: Gibson bought into Opcode last year when opcode was going out of business. They bought it cheap as a turnaround investment, since opcode managment promised they could make the company profitable again in a year. Gibson invested a few million dollars, gave them a year to turn things around. One year passed, Opcode mgt had clearly failed to get the company profitable again, Gibson pulled the plug. Shareholder lawsuits result, as they always do. This happens EVERY DAY in every industry. (check your paper to see what happened to packard-bell a couple of days ago, same story.) I still don't get why opcode fans are peeved at Gibson, when opcode was going out of business anyway. Are you pissed that Gibson didn't want to keep sinking money in a losing operation? Doesn't seem like such a crime to me. If Gibson never got involved at all, opcode would still be gone, so what's the point? Maybe y'all should have organized a campaign six months ago to buy more opcode software, then opcode might still be around and I wouldn't be getting all these whining conspiracy-theorist emails forwarded to me. >Since I make heavy use of Opcode's products, I'm pretty >upset along with other people on the Opcode mailing list. >So we are starting a Boycott Gibson campaign. I'm sure that legions of Les Paul enthusiasts throughout the world are rising up and totally failing to care. (in fact, I would guess that a lot of them would be glad that a computer music company bit the dust....we're talking about guitarists here...;-) And since your little boycott idea threatens Matthias and I in developing new echoplex software, and may even jeopardize future echoplex production (although I doubt it), some people here aren't likely to be real supportive either. After all, opcode was not willing to invest in real-time loop products (before or after Gibson), Gibson has invested a lot in this area and stuck with it for years. ...and according to Keyboard this month, Logic, Cubase, and MOTU are better than vision. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 7 22:07:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29922; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:07:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:07:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000601bf2994$d1e026d0$1c4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Boycott everyone Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:56:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"1zIve1.0.pd6.mjZ9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >And since your little boycott idea threatens Matthias and I in developing >new echoplex software, and may even jeopardize future echoplex production >(although I doubt it), some people here aren't likely to be real supportive >either. After all, opcode was not willing to invest in real-time loop >products (before or after Gibson), Gibson has invested a lot in this area >and stuck with it for years. > >...and according to Keyboard this month, Logic, Cubase, and MOTU are better >than vision. :-) Kim is right on target here. Gibson wil never see a dime back from their investment in Opcode - they should be credited with taking such a huge risk, considering the competition form market leaders like Cubase, et al. It's an understatement to say the idea of a boycott is counter-productive. Not only is it unwarranted, but even if you could muster the legions you propose - 40K (highly unlikely) - it would be about as effective as a flea on an elephant. As a multi-national company, Gibson is safely diversified. Its whole guitar division would have to collapse to have any quantitative effect. - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 00:53:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04152; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 00:53:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 00:53:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doug@pop.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 00:46:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Boycott Gibson, not everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"urloi2.0.dj.bGc9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com (I wrote this after Kim's last post on the subject, sat on it for awhile and didn't get to sending it.) a week or two ago Kim Flint wrote: > - Business is not warm and fuzzy. welcome to capitalism. Just because it's > the music instrument business doesn't make it pretty. These same things > happen everywhere. > > - The average business people in the music world seem to be stupider than > most. They have knack for vastly overestimating their own importance and > wealth-generating potential, getting very greedy, then doing foolish things > and getting themselves sued by entites who actually do have the power they > thought they had. > > - Opcode had screwed themselves over long before Gibson came along. They > were blinking out fast. Seems to me that Gibson kept a terminal patient > alive one year longer than they would have lasted anyway. It baffles me how > people see Gibson as the bad guy here. I guess conspiracy theory is always > more fun. Look, there's no shortage of blame to be placed on Opcode. And Gibson, as Opcode's owner, can make all of the cold, heartless business decisions they like, and I accept that. What I have a problem with is the way Gibson implemented its decisions, abusing the legal system and treating their employees and customers like shit. These are not the actions of a good company to work for. Kim, just talk to your friend John Cooper, who now has the dubious honor of having been sued by Gibson twice. All he's guilty of is not having quit Opcode the day it was acquired by Gibson. I'm sure he thought about doing that. Our defense attorneys specialize in employer relations cases and yet they were shocked at Gibson's behavior. Gibson was playing hardball until our lawyers advised Gibson's lawyers that they would seek sanctions for having filed a frivolous lawsuit. Suddenly Gibson wanted to settle. Then they reneged on the agreement to pay our legal fees and we had to go to court to get them. Have you ever been sued? Did it feel like an exciting adventure, or did it feel like your entire life was in limbo? Deal with Gibson long enough and you've got a better-than-average chance of finding out what it feels like. Does Gibson deserve to have any good software engineers working for them? I say they don't. Go ahead, call me bitter. I am. Do Opcode's users deserve to be fed false platitudes about the future of the software which is their bread and butter (in many cases), the software which must be continue to be maintained if people are to be able to access their past creative output? If it is an obsolete and unprofitable technology, why not discuss selling or licensing it to other companies that are interested in it? Gibson apparently would rather see it die than sell it. (I know of two serious potential purchasers that have so far been rebuffed; I am not making things up.) If Vision is so worthless, why won't Gibson talk about selling it? Do the other Macintosh music software developers who incorporated OMS support into their applications deserve to be left in the dark about OMS's future now that Opcode clearly can no longer maintain it? Yeah, it's all capitalistic big business, it happens everywhere, all the time. So should I refrain from saying it sucks? > - Events with Opcode are mostly unrelated to the Echoplex. We (Aurisis > Research) have had a reasonable business relationship with Gibson for many > years. Our deal with them is simple and clear, and we try not to be idiots > about it, so it continues to work. > > - I say "mostly" because we wasted a bunch of time getting opcode set up > for echoplex production, while they went back and forth on it and couldn't > decide what to do. If they had run with it, they would have had at least > one product making money and maybe still be around, and echoplexes would > have been available months ago. If you want to blame somebody for lack of > echoplexes right now, try the geniuses at opcode. That whole event pissed > me off a lot, but in retrospect it is better. I like the current situation > for the Echoplex a lot more, and new units are indeed on the way. It could be that they were too cash-strapped to put a production run together, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it was corporate indecision at its worst. Again, I don't disagree with much you're saying about Opcode. I do disagree with your tendency to apologize for Gibson. In the last 4 months I've seen a number of Gibson apologists change their tunes (including Henry's subordinate who had to deal with me and my colleagues when we were being sued). So I admit, I tend to think that Gibson apologists are in denial about who they're working for. I've heard that the turnover among Gibson executives may be as high as 75% a year. Forget warm and fuzzy; is that a healthy, normal, capitalistic business? Hey, maybe it is. I choose not to be involved with it, and I feel strongly enough about this that I suggest that others consider making the same choice, both as consumers and as potential employees. At 18:07 -0800 11/7/99, Kim Flint wrote: > I still don't get why opcode fans are peeved at Gibson, when opcode was > going out of business anyway. Are you pissed that Gibson didn't want to > keep sinking money in a losing operation? Doesn't seem like such a crime to > me. If Gibson never got involved at all, opcode would still be gone, so > what's the point? Maybe y'all should have organized a campaign six months > ago to buy more opcode software, then opcode might still be around and I > wouldn't be getting all these whining conspiracy-theorist emails forwarded > to me. No, we're pissed that Gibson's actions so far indicate that they would rather kill the technology than sell it. I will eat my many words, and praise Gibson for doing the right thing if they find new homes for OMS and Vision, (or by some miracle assemble a new development team to take care of them competently). But until then Gibson needs to be pressured to do the right thing. Five years ago, I learned some appalling things about Microsoft's business practices. I began wishing that Microsoft would get its due. So today I'm encouraged to think that maybe Gibson, too, will eventually get what it deserves. I freely admit that I am on a mission to publicize Gibson's actions. Hopefully this will minimize the possibility of Gibson acquiring and killing any more companies. They seem to *like* to do that, for whatever reason. It could be that they are more interested in acquiring brand names than the technologies behind them, or that they regard all MIDI-related technologies as needing to be destroyed (to help hasten the age of GMICS?), but yes, these *are* just theories, attempts to explain facts. The *facts* remain however, Gibson acquisitions don't tend to thrive for very long or in anything resembling their original form. Kim, if Gibson offered to buy out your company for a big chunk of change, would you sell? Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com http://www.sonosphere.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 01:47:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14614; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 01:47:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 01:47:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 22:28:11 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: new website stuff at LD To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"KnKia1.0.ak2.Usc9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folks- Believe it or not, I actually updated the Looper's Delight website! We've got a few new things: We've now got the "Recommended Reading" section courtesy of Alan Imberg and various other literate members of the LD community who sent in suggestions. These are books that come highly recommended by your fellow list-members, so check it out. I've included handy, opportunistic links so you can buy these books from amazon. Looper's Delight will get a small cut of purchase, to help pay for website costs. (and the occasional bottle of scotch I need to deal with you people :-) If you have additional book recommendations, send them to Alan, his address is on the page. Check it: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/books/LDRecRead.html Then we've got the legendary Digitech RDS 7.6 Timemachine manual online. It's been html-ized by Larry Tremblay. We've also got fascinating Timemachine mods courtesy of Leander Reininghaus, check that out: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/timemachine/timemachine.html and on top of the site I've added a link to Sunao Inami's RealAudio versions of the Looper's Delight Vol 2 cd. The link is on the top page: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html and, yeah I know, many of you have sent in other material for the site. I'm on it! We're always looking for new contributions to the website, feel free to send stuff in. The more you format it like the LD pages, the less I have to do and the faster it gets up. (Larry's page was a dream....thanks...) have fun.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 05:58:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24662; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 05:58:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 05:58:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3826AC73.8E8E32B1@grape.no> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 11:56:51 +0100 From: mark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: AW: Help!!! have I got a problem with Vortex? References: <0.91d80b6.255595a2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XlKz83.0.Dj5.7kg9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Andy, I think I may be going the way you suggest, with the Vortex after the mixer, unfortunately my mixer doesnt have pre fade sends, but im wondering if I can do something with it that way, that works, maybe using the direct out sockets from each channel, I used to do something like this when I was playing bass for the cranes, using an old old old digital delay from Roland (maybe the sde 2000, was that what it was called) I just have to figure out what I used to do!!! The problem I had that I mentioned in the original post WAS what someone suggested (that I had inadvertanly cleared a register pair) so thanks for that, I sleep well now. Mark Still interested in how others used/configure/patch it, listening to other peoples stories GIVES me ideas, it doesnt stop me from experimenting experimenting experimenting, as the guy from finger paint rather patronisingly suggested... SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 05/11/99 08:47:51 GMT Standard Time, mark@grape.no writes: > > > I could also do with some discussion as to the best / most flexible place > > to put a Vortex in the signal path, > it works well anywhere. > if using in conjunction with a looper then putting the V after lets you > stereoise the loop, > but putting it first lets you layer up different vortex sounds. > > >I use a split signal from my guitar to > > two stereo effect processors and using it how they suggest places it > > directly after one of them, making it unusable with the other, but if I > > put it on sends on my mixer, it doesnt process the sound 100% which is > > required for some of the patches... > Can you use pre fade aux sends, or switch off the channel routing to the > main O/P of the mixer(depends what you r mixer can do. > otherwise........ > I recommend you try the Vortex after the mixer, and see if you like it. > > Andy Butler > Lexicon Vortex Database > http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 09:57:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07422; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:57:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:57:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991108083749.007d5990@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 08:37:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: triggering and looping with Remix 16/MIDI In-Reply-To: <002a01bf294f$e2e9edc0$df82b3d1@bob> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"jAqBJ1.0.K7.w1k9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, folks, Here's a letter that my wife has posted to the Akai list, with no answers. I wanted to post it here, in hopes that someone might be able to help her. I haven't got a clue about MIDI, so any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Jeff McLeod Hi, everyone... I recently got a used Akai Remix 16 (black box version?) with no manual, and I'm trying to set up a simple way to use samples with my band. I have a Rolls MidiBuddy controller, and I'm trying to be able to trigger the individual samples as well using program changes. The Rolls changes the programs just fine, but I'm curious as to how to trigger the samples. Do I need another device to do this? Or, is there some way of programming the midi commands that I'm missing--due to not having a manual for the Remix 16 and due to limited midi experience. I've tried a footswitch throught the jack on the back, in hope that it would trigger the currently selected sample--and it only triggers the sample in bank one. Any ideas? I'm hoping to be able to select and trigger samples live with my trio--but I just don't have any idea how to get the Remix 16 to do this. Thanks in advance for any help! Sincerely, Vonda McLeod __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 10:21:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15314; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:21:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:21:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227D68@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: Spatial sound Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:08:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"ld-5E3.0.t03.AWk9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com First off, sorry for that MIME crap last time. We recently had an "upgrade" to our mail system, and I was unaware that it would happen. Where's my gun, gotta go find Marcel Marceau! ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: L Tremblay [mailto:ltct@concentric.net] > Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 3:03 PM > > Another neat trick for recording: get yourself a syrofoam > "wig" dummy-head > and place/pin one tiny mic where each ear would be on the > dummy-head. Then > send the signal from your deck into the room to be recorded > by the dummy. > This technique effectively reproduces the stereo field. > (Watch for phase, > though.) > > It can be equally effective reproducing an "ambient" speaker > set up too! > > There was a well-know product in the '80s called 'ringo' based on this > exact concept. I hate to sound like a broken record (or, indeed, a loop), but I've done that too. The aforementioned open-air headphones can be used for this also. My personal favourites are an old pair of Sennheiser 414s that I bought back in the '70s (they've had a new cable, new earpieces, and new foams, but they're ORIGINAL - well, the headband is, anyway :->). The earpieces can be removed from the headband, reversed, and re-installed. Placed on a styrofoam head, they work in a similar way to the "artificial head" mic's. All that's needed is an adaptor to split the stereo plug into two mono's, of whatever sort you need, and you're away! Another handy thing about the old 414's was the fact that the cable could be removed. Back in the days when I was into recording live shows (he admits, red-faced with embarrassment), I would completely disassemble them, put the two sides of the cable through specially made holes in the back of the breast pockets on a Levi's jacket, and re-attach them to the earpieces. Provided I didn't move around much, the sound was amazingly good. Unfortunately, I don't remember taping any loop-type material. (I wish I'd had it for that Terry Riley concert I went to!). Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 11:05:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28623; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:05:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:05:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FD77@migarexch01.maritz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:56:46 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Christy Doran Resent-Message-ID: <"eAKjL1.0.ic5.J3l9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Ahhhh. . . .you've got good taste. Christy Doran was the guitarist for the >German band "OM" which recorded I believe 4 albums in the 1970s, and >included Ursi Leimgruber on sax. They were WAY ahead of their time!!! Swiss, actually, from Luzern, all those guys. There was also his sister on sax. He used to be a client at PARADIS and I made some switch boxes and stuff. He is a lovely person, shy, helpfull, a hard worker. At the time ('86) he toured solo on a big Guild steelstring and a PARADIS nylon and quite a big rack with two Roland 3000 delays he loved to load with free running arithmic loops. I found it strange then how he was extremely conscient about all this difficult changes and scales and then again accepted "any noise" from the delays... This tour was recorded to two tracks and released on vinyl "the returning dream of the leaving ship" (SyntonRecords LC 8829). Its the only one I have, but I might trade it... ...and just today Jesus (not that one ;-) gave me a link: www.jsl.ch/staff/chdoran/doran.htm Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 11:15:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32095; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:15:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:15:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01BF256F.AFC760A0.mpeters@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:58:27 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: music (WMF or WFM) Resent-Message-ID: <"RfDsk.0.ng5.p4l9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Yes, that's true, and I'm starting to regard WMF (or WFM, whatever it's >called) as the real winner, as it produces very little files with a lot of >punch, better IMHO than MP3. never heard off... you have that piece of soft, I assume... would you mind having a look at it at give us a better reference? Does it loop? Is it free? thank you Matthias > | -----Original Message----- > | From: mpeters@csi.com [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] > | Sent: Tuesday 02 November 1999 11:19 AM > | To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > | Subject: AW: music > | > | > | > I've been thinking of upgrading the Loopers of the World site. > | > | hero. > | > | > could add an "MP3-link" field, which would link to MP3 files > | on each of our > | > sites. That way, we wouldn't need to upgrade the server > | space. I could > | > also set up some features, like a MP3 page that just listed > | all the MP3 > | > links, or a button that plays a random one.... anyone have > | any thoughts on > | > this? > | > | Not bad, but please don't omit the other formats - e.g. I > | haven't got any MP3s on my site, only realaudio. > | > | > | * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com > | * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music > | * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors > | * http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > | > | ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 11:27:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02909; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:27:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:27:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mhamburg@elroy Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911080112.UAA05449@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:17:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Warning (was Re: Alternatives to the Vortex) Resent-Message-ID: <"vr6jp2.0.hu7.ETl9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd decided late this summer or early this fall that the next items I ought to try to fit into my signal chain were a Korg AM8000R and Korg DL8000R. Unfortunately, by the time I decided to take action, Korg had stopped production. So, here's the warning: I'm thinking about getting myself a Klein electric... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 12:15:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14520; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:15:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:15:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6637a863.2558597c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:51:08 EST Subject: Re: Warning (was Re: Alternatives to the Vortex) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"ErPjW1.0.xB2.p-l9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/08/1999 10:27:12 AM Central Standard Time, mhamburg@Adobe.COM writes: << So, here's the warning: I'm thinking about getting myself a Klein electric... >> Do it, man! I did two years ago and i've never regretted it for a nanosecond! Kevin Brunkhorst http://members .aol.com/kb305/kb305/ Red Road the band http://r edroad.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 12:28:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17875; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:28:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:28:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.364df9e8.25586090@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:21:20 EST Subject: LD site To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"in1O5.0.H34.ARm9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com great additions to the site kim.........thanks to everyone........when will the LD cd 3 be ready?..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 12:37:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20325; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:37:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:37:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009301bf2a0e$7f838e20$7922dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <01BF256F.AFC760A0.mpeters@csi.com> Subject: Re: music (WMF or WFM) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:26:59 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"UiYbM2.0.kX4.MZm9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Windows Media Tools, including encoders like Media On-Demand Producer, and Windows Media Tools, are FREE for downloading from http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/en/download/default.asp (which will probably wrap in your email message, so be sure to copy the whole url). Not Trial Free, but Free. And, unlike RM, these products don't cause your listeners the pain of surreptitious downloads like the AOL Messaging; nor will they end up using your personal data without your permission, as Real was caught doing recently. I'll be posting a test of Windows Media in the next few weeks of course. Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear NEW music 11/1 here!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthias Grob To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 07:58 Subject: RE: music (WMF or WFM) > >Yes, that's true, and I'm starting to regard WMF (or WFM, whatever it's > >called) as the real winner, as it produces very little files with a lot of > >punch, better IMHO than MP3. > > never heard off... you have that piece of soft, I assume... would you mind > having a look at it at give us a better reference? > Does it loop? > Is it free? > > thank you > Matthias > > > | -----Original Message----- > > | From: mpeters@csi.com [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] > > | Sent: Tuesday 02 November 1999 11:19 AM > > | To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > > | Subject: AW: music > > | > > | > > | > I've been thinking of upgrading the Loopers of the World site. > > | > > | hero. > > | > > | > could add an "MP3-link" field, which would link to MP3 files > > | on each of our > > | > sites. That way, we wouldn't need to upgrade the server > > | space. I could > > | > also set up some features, like a MP3 page that just listed > > | all the MP3 > > | > links, or a button that plays a random one.... anyone have > > | any thoughts on > > | > this? > > | > > | Not bad, but please don't omit the other formats - e.g. I > > | haven't got any MP3s on my site, only realaudio. > > | > > | > > | * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com > > | * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music > > | * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors > > | * http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > > | > > | > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 13:32:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02320; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:32:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:32:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001201bf2a15$34f1e0d0$124badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: "Stephen Goodman" , Subject: Re: music (WMF or WFM) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:15:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"N9B-S.0.YH7.2Bn9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >And, unlike RM, these products don't cause your >listeners the pain of surreptitious downloads like the AOL Messaging; nor >will they end up using your personal data without your permission, as Real >was caught doing recently. Are you saying Micro$oft doesn't peek at your hard-drive to see what you have loaded and send that info back to Redmond? They've been caught doing this several times. Internet Explorer was *engineered* for this very purpose. In fact, users of IE are prone to all kinds of security breaches, viruses and other mayhem via ActiveX controls, serious program bugs and holes in the system. Just thought I had to set the record straight about this monopoly. - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 15:32:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00336; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:32:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:32:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 14:00:55 -0600 Subject: FS: JamMan (8sec) $500, Harmony Central From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RKje-1.0.at5.amo9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lexicon Jamman/CMU 810 & 800 Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: Lexicon Jam Man, 8 seconds -excellent condition with lexicon foot switch+photocopied manual...$500 US obo. Robert Brasz (416)516-9538 Toronto, ON Seller: Robert Brasz, (416)516-9538 E-mail: eelirak@yesic.com (Profile) Post Date: 11/7/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 15:44:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03682; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:44:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:44:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 14:19:07 -0600 Subject: FS: PDS 8000 $215 (Harmony Central) From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MIUDd3.0.P97.X1p9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Pedals! Knobs! Digitech PDS-8000 "Echo Plus" Asking Price: US$215 Condition: Fair Age: N/A Description: Digitech Echo Plus pedal for sale. This is the same pedal that Bill Frisell uses. It is in good/fair condition, but works as if it were new. $215 includes shipping. Call me at home if you are interested. (513)651-5128. Seller: Jack Broad, (513)651-5128 E-mail: jbroad@one.net (Profile) Location: CINCINNATI, OH Post Date: 11/7/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 18:18:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11428; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:18:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:18:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991108083749.007d5990@pop.mindspring.com> References: <002a01bf294f$e2e9edc0$df82b3d1@bob> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:48:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: triggering and looping with Remix 16/MIDI Resent-Message-ID: <"MH5B83.0.HD1.XGr9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > >Hi, everyone... > I recently got a used Akai Remix 16 (black box version?) with no >manual, Hi Vonda, I can not tell you how to do this, but I can let you know that if all else fails call Rogue Music in New York City. They will sell you a nicely bound photocopied manual for a fair price. They seem to have a manual for everything. Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 20:03:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05975; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:03:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:03:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bf2a46$3d331b20$0230883e@colins-gear> From: "Colin Seddon" To: "Gavin Randle" , "Graham Clark" <101517.2632@compuserve.com>, "Graham Massey" , "Hannah Bee" , "Helen Francis" , "Helen Proser" , "=?iso-8859-1?B?am/jbyBwbOFjaWRv?=" , "Kelvin Gordon" , "Kneehigh" , "Lisa Gertum Becker" , , "Marcus Connel" , "Matt" , "Penair School" , "Serena Rogers" , "Steve Tanner" , "Sue Ferner" , "tricia cummins" , , "Vera" , "Zani" Subject: Fw: Warning Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:58:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"17inf1.0.lv.Z3t9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Forbes To: Jean-David Caillouet ; James Alan Wonnacott ; Hilde Gams ; Helen Ford ; Gretchen (Ann) Dimock (Mclean) ; Geraldine/ Vincent Hammersley ; George Ricci ; Gavin Randle ; Friedholm Turinsky ; Eric Evers ; Eli Liddington ; Daniel Thorpe ; Colin Seddon ; Chris White ; Chris White ; Chris Pittman ; Chris Best ; Catherine Laws ; Bob Gilmore ; Barry Evers ; Anna Williams ; Andrew Clarkson ; Alexander Douglas ; Alex Kristaki ; Alex Christaki ; Agroforestry ResearchTrust Date: 06 November 1999 12:49 Subject: Fw: Warning > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Alex Christaki >To: >Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 8:18 PM >Subject: FW: Warning > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stu@ [mailto:Stu@thepink.screaming.net] >> Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 11:06 AM >> To: Achristaki >> Subject: Warning >> >> Just got this from a reliable source. >> >> We have been informed of a new virus - WOBBLER. It will arrive on >> e-mail titled "How to Give a Cat a Colonic." CALIFORNIA IBM and AOL have >> announced that it is very powerful, more so than Melissa, there is no >> remedy. It will eat all your information on the hard drive and also >destroys >> Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet Explorer. >> Do not open anything with this title and please pass this message on to >all >> your contacts and anyone who uses your e-mail facility. >> Not many people seem to know about this yet so propagate it as fast as >> possible. >> This information was announced yesterday morning by IBM; please share it >> with everyone in your address book so that the spreading of the virus may >be >> stopped. This is a very dangerous virus and there is no remedy for it at >> this time. Please practice cautionary measures and forward this to all >your >> online friends ASAP. >> >> Stu@ >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 20:38:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16041; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:38:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:38:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991109013326.60598.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.74] From: "G716" To: , "Gavin Randle" , "Graham Clark" <101517.2632@compuserve.com>, "Graham Massey" , "Hannah Bee" , "Helen Francis" , "Helen Proser" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?jo=E3o_pl=E1cido?= , "Kelvin Gordon" , "Kneehigh" , "Lisa Gertum Becker" , "Marcus Connel" , "Matt" , "Penair School" , "Serena Rogers" , "Steve Tanner" , "Sue Ferner" , "tricia cummins" , , "Vera" , "Zani" References: <000801bf2a46$3d331b20$0230883e@colins-gear> Subject: Re: Warning Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:33:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Resent-Message-ID: <"sAIgM1.0.kc3.Ret9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's a hoax. Please see http://www-cl-1.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html. There's numerous urban legend and virus hoax web-sites out there. Please check them before forwarding panic attacks to your entire address book. Trying, against all odds, to stop the spread of hoaxes -- worse than viruses they are.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Seddon" >> e-mail titled "How to Give a Cat a Colonic." CALIFORNIA IBM and AOL have From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 21:03:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21416; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:03:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:03:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: tcweller@lucid.spiraco.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:44:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Travis Weller Subject: Lexicon MPX R1 Resent-Message-ID: <"Af-so1.0.zG4.8pt9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all - i'm thinking about buying the MPX R1 to replace my edp foot pedal and control my sherman filterbank at the same time. anyone have any opinions on this device? good/bad experiences? thanks, travis. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 21:18:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24693; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:18:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:18:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <0.84633686.2558d8f4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:55:00 EST Subject: Re: Boycott everyone To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"kmGsO1.0.tr4._yt9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com why waste all that energy being negative irregardless to whomever is right or wrong. i mean the time and effort u put into being so negative or revealing or unearthing the truth u could put into making music that says volumes more than being bitter and spending the time and bandwidth it takes to vent that bitterness. just my 2 cents. JP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 21:49:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31215; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:49:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:49:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: NoelG26@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6a74b47c.2558ddaa@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:15:06 EST Subject: hey all To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 17 Resent-Message-ID: <"2O6l72.0.Jz5.sFu9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com was up, i am considering buying and AKAI headrush, but have heard many different things, i love the peaddle and all, but i love a customizable delay, dose this peaddle offer such a thing? thanks for you help Reese Richardson From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 21:53:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32136; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:53:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:53:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <012F2481B420D211BE5A00A0C9CDAFBA020F91AC@il0015exch006u.ih.lucent.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:32:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Roland RPS-10 @ Harmony Resent-Message-ID: <"NrbH02.0.a_6.bXu9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just saw this at Harmony Central. Adrian belew used to string two of these unitstogether for a low budget backwards guitar sound. I still have the article somewhere if any are interested. Patrick FS: BOSS RPS-10 INVERSE DELAY / P SHIFTER $ 75.00 Asking Price: US$75 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Very cool FX. Has standard delays (up to 800 ms), pitch shifting +/- octive), and inverse delay mode... delay taps are backwards. Very spacy and strange. 1/2 rack unit. -10 and -20 inputs. knobs for real time tweaks. Exc+ condition (very close to mint). Usually these sell used for 125.00-150.00. $75.00 + $10.00 shipping. $85.00 total delivered cod fed-ex 2-day. Seller: R. Modell, E-mail: r-mode@webtv.net (Profile) Location: FERNDALE, MI Post Date: 11/8/99 Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 23:19:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18248; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:19:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:19:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:18:23 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Boycott Gibson, not everyone Resent-Message-ID: <"xXeOm1.0.Hw3.Rwv9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Do the other Macintosh music software developers who incorporated OMS >support into their applications deserve to be left in the dark about >OMS's future now that Opcode clearly can no longer maintain it? I understood that OMS is Apples now and called Open Music System (as oposed to Opcode MS) - I may be wrong I am mainly concerned about MAX which is a unique product with great future (maybe not comercially, but for creativity). I hope someone takes that over. If I were one of the remaining Sequencer soft enterprises, I would create a Vision2xx converter and a decent offer to catch the Vision users... >I've heard that the turnover among Gibson executives may be as high >as 75% a year. Forget warm and fuzzy; is that a healthy, normal, >capitalistic business? Horrible really, a tremendous waist of learning time, disrespecting the human needs to develop methods, work spaces and colaboration with colegues. Constancy seams to have no value in this system - I hope this failure is not deadly for the system... But then again, is it possible that the Gibson managers never thought of this? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 8 23:20:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18441; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:20:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:20:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.cb1eb70b.2558f9e6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:15:34 EST Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX R1 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"oESPS2.0.UD4.T0w9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The MPX R1....if that is the pedal they sell "with" the Lexicon G2, I don't really like the switches. I was tapping a tempo (trying it out in a music store) and it was louder than my guitar was! I loop acoustic percussion instruments as well as guitar, and it would definately bleed through a microphone. Also, the "throw" of the switches is so far (high) that I found it difficult to tell if they were actually being activated. john painter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 00:03:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28319; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:03:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:03:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:57:24 -0500 (EST) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mr bungle In-Reply-To: <0.aa482312.255521d8@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"zfMzZ.0.cm6.Pfw9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com And will be seeing Mr. Patton battling away atKnitting Factory tomorrow night. N On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > after the posts on "mr. bungle" a few months ago, i really wanted to hear > them.....and surprise, surprise, tonite, out of the blue, one of my > co-workers brought me in their cd "california".......ouch.......what > fun.......am now listening to it for the first time thru phones.....hate > phones, but love life and i would be killed by my family if i had this > cranked at this time of nite........very nice music .......... could i say, > almost zappa-esque?.....also, i am being knocked out by the > production.......and this made me think of my music...............im finding > that quite often, im more concerned with how my music "sounds", rather that > what the content is.......what does this mean?............the cd just ended, > thanks for letting me know about this group..........michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 00:04:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28741; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:04:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:04:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doug@pop.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:00:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: Boycott Gibson, not everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"bdeE-.0.Uq6.Xgw9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 2:18 -0200 11/9/99, Matthias Grob wrote: >>Do the other Macintosh music software developers who incorporated OMS >>support into their applications deserve to be left in the dark about >>OMS's future now that Opcode clearly can no longer maintain it? > > I understood that OMS is Apples now and called Open Music System (as oposed > to Opcode MS) - I may be wrong This is not true. Gbison has rebuffed all initiatives to find new homes for any of Opcode's intellectual property. I heard this from a very reliable source just three days ago. It would be very logical for Apple to take over OMS, or to coordinate its replacement, since OMS benefits no one company and is a shared resource. It is also a logical candidate for open sourcing. It was renamed from Opcode to Open Music System by Opcode a long time ago. > I am mainly concerned about MAX which is a unique product with great future > (maybe not comercially, but for creativity). I hope someone takes that over. Max isn't such a big problem; I think Opcode only had publishing rights, but no ownership of the code. > If I were one of the remaining Sequencer soft enterprises, I would create a > Vision2xx converter and a decent offer to catch the Vision users... That would be very sensible, but the file format is not public and is not easy to reverse engineer. Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com http://www.sonosphere.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 00:32:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06963; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:32:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:32:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <03c601bf2a71$7a60d2a0$0100a8c0@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: Subject: Re: mr bungle Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:15:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"TBtmU.0.4M1.n3x9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, I caught them this past Saturday in New Haven. Incredible. Be on the lookout for lots of bizarre instruments and even more bizarre song arrangements and vocalizing by Mr. Patton. I've never been able to get inside any of their CDs, but they make a lot more sense live. If you get the chance... Zero loop content, sorry. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Trembath To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:57 PM Subject: Re: mr bungle > > And will be seeing Mr. Patton battling away atKnitting Factory tomorrow > night. > > N > > On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > > after the posts on "mr. bungle" a few months ago, i really wanted to hear > > them.....and surprise, surprise, tonite, out of the blue, one of my > > co-workers brought me in their cd "california".......ouch.......what > > fun.......am now listening to it for the first time thru phones.....hate > > phones, but love life and i would be killed by my family if i had this > > cranked at this time of nite........very nice music .......... could i say, > > almost zappa-esque?.....also, i am being knocked out by the > > production.......and this made me think of my music...............im finding > > that quite often, im more concerned with how my music "sounds", rather that > > what the content is.......what does this mean?............the cd just ended, > > thanks for letting me know about this group..........michael > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 00:59:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12723; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:59:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:59:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:51:40 -0500 (EST) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boycott Gibson, not everyone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KNCRA3.0.ar2.FSx9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, let's hope that Gibson, despite its lack of Vision, parts out and allows sublicensing of its properties--perhaps allow it to loop back to the interest of its progtenitor. That's the MAX I guess we can expect. "Dave, are you there? help me, Dave.... Daisy, Daisy..." On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Matthias Grob wrote: > > I am mainly concerned about MAX which is a unique product with great future > (maybe not comercially, but for creativity). I hope someone takes that over. > >I've heard that the turnover among Gibson executives may be as high > >as 75% a year. Forget warm and fuzzy; is that a healthy, normal, > >capitalistic business? > > Horrible really, a tremendous waist of learning time, disrespecting the > human needs to develop methods, work spaces and colaboration with colegues. > Constancy seams to have no value in this system - I hope this failure is > not deadly for the system... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 01:48:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22342; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 01:48:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 01:48:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991109003857.007dabb0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 00:38:57 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: mr bungle In-Reply-To: <03c601bf2a71$7a60d2a0$0100a8c0@ne.mediaone.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"OQ0K5.0._75.f7y9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy, everyone... I'd say that you're very on-topic when talking about Mr. Bungle. They apply a great deal of subtle sampling and looping live and on their recordings. They are one of the last great, great bands. Bungle is a group that I believe can do anything. If they are in a city near you--go see it. It's amazing. Sincerely, Jeff McLeod At 12:15 AM 11/9/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Hey, I caught them this past Saturday in New Haven. Incredible. Be on the >lookout for lots of bizarre instruments and even more bizarre song >arrangements and vocalizing by Mr. Patton. I've never been able to get >inside any of their CDs, but they make a lot more sense live. If you get >the chance... > >Zero loop content, sorry. > > >Peter __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 03:11:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05499; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 03:11:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 03:11:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01bf2a89$176bf360$7d0d8dd8@tstar.net.tstar.net> From: "Ronda Turner" To: Subject: Re: mr bungle Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:04:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"-KF963.0.w41.7Mz9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I dunno... I always thought of Mr. Bungle as pastiche Zorn vomit (and I hate John Zorn too..). I haven't heard the new record, but I have heard the last two and I just have to say that in my own subjective take on Mr. Bungle I think that they are self-consciously weird in the worst way. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 1:18 AM Subject: Re: mr bungle >Howdy, everyone... > I'd say that you're very on-topic when talking about Mr. Bungle. They >apply a great deal of subtle sampling and looping live and on their >recordings. They are one of the last great, great bands. Bungle is a group >that I believe can do anything. If they are in a city near you--go see it. >It's amazing. >Sincerely, >Jeff McLeod > >At 12:15 AM 11/9/1999 -0500, you wrote: >>Hey, I caught them this past Saturday in New Haven. Incredible. Be on the >>lookout for lots of bizarre instruments and even more bizarre song >>arrangements and vocalizing by Mr. Patton. I've never been able to get >>inside any of their CDs, but they make a lot more sense live. If you get >>the chance... >> >>Zero loop content, sorry. >> >> >>Peter > >__________________________________________ >This is not here-- >And now is almost over... >http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ >http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 05:03:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA26089; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 05:03:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 05:03:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911090932.BAA26143@mail4.sirius.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 01:29:46 -0800 Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX R1 From: "john ettinger" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t0Pl23.0.q85.ye-9u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll second the complaint about the loudness of the switches. It seems like an odd thing to mention, but if there's a mic nearby (i.e. on amp or instrument) and you play with some dynamic variation it can be a problem. I have those switches documented on tape already. Switches like the original jam man or vortex pedals, or the EDP pedal might've been a more appropriate design choice for a foot controller costing this much. Anyone have any suggestions about replacements for the switches that would fit? I wonder if the switches Kim mentioned a while back (am I remembering this right?) as substitutes for the factory EDP switches would work. Otherwise I find the pedal is extremely versatile, sturdy, and once I got used to the layout, appropriately invisible. I use it with the MPX G2, and they get along well. Lexicon also bills it as a "stand alone MIDI remote controller" as well as a companion to the MPX 1 and G2, and the manual has a chapter devoted to using it with other MIDI devices, so it's probably pretty deep in that regard. Here's a link to Lexicon's R1 page in case you haven't seen it yet: http://www.lexicon.com/customshop/r1-midi.html Did you hear Gibson was buying Lexicon? just kidding. back to lurking, john From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 07:25:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21705; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:25:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:25:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <0.7bcace23.25596aff@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:18:07 EST Subject: Re: Boycott everyone To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"lrP-7.0.R15.t41Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com no i actually meant irrespectictive. grin. my point was musicians should make their music as opposed to trying to make the software world right and free from the perils of what happens everyday in the business world. or moreover, just stop worryin about who's gonna make their favorite piecce of software and who was responsible for killing it when as mentioned earlier not enough people bought it in the 1st place. just maybe this time around the block try n find a SW platform that is reallt n truly viable or appears to be viable as opposed to playing to just a relative handful of the potential marketplace. othwerwise, dont be surprised when shit happens. Whining is not too musical to these ears even tho there is lotsa whiny & very popular music out there. And clearly im not sayin that ya cant have any sense of justice or fairness but being overly analytical, quixiotic and more into the gear or tools as opposed to the music ( seems to always go hand in hand ) in any situation is what really sucks. thats nothing more than being stuck in one position and deliberately refusing to move on. and god dang its boring beyond belief from any angle u would choose to look at things. jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 09:23:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13895; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:23:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:23:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701bf2abe$05da2b00$5ec73dca@alfalfa> From: "[o]" To: References: <000a01bf2a89$176bf360$7d0d8dd8@tstar.net.tstar.net> Subject: Re: mr bungle Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:23:40 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"0VKTU.0.Ov2.Lo2Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I think that they are self-consciously weird in the worst way. 8 - ) spot on From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 09:23:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13896; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:23:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:23:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002201bf2aba$f1aa0b80$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX R1 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:01:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"GO49P2.0.PE2.zb2Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: JohnFlem@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:34 PM Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX R1 >...I loop acoustic percussion >instruments as well as guitar, ... Hey, John. I loop acoustic percussion as well. I'm interested in what you're doing. Can you tell me more about what instruments you're using? What kind of mics? How many? How it works musically? etc. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 10:22:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28521; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:22:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:22:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991109083854.007c81b0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:38:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: mr bungle In-Reply-To: <000a01bf2a89$176bf360$7d0d8dd8@tstar.net.tstar.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"cPnDB3.0.6S4.-93Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well then, since you haven't heard the past two, I'd highly recommend them. They are both much more mature and different than the self-titled first recording. Where the first one was full-of the crossbred metal thing, these two are more song-oriented, and jazz-directed. Since you don't like anything Zorn does (and his catalog is highly differing as well), I would almost think that you might appreciate the newest Bungle (California) more. I don't see that they're self-consiciously being weird at all on the last two. They're just a bit, let's say, odd... Jeff At 02:04 AM 11/9/1999 -0600, you wrote: >I dunno... I always thought of Mr. Bungle as pastiche Zorn vomit (and I hate >John Zorn too..). I haven't heard the new record, but I have heard the last >two and I just have to say that in my own subjective take on Mr. Bungle I >think that they are self-consciously weird in the worst way. __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 10:26:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29877; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:26:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:26:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003101bf2ac5$8b3dcbb0$294badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: mr bungle Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:17:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"vMQlt1.0.Sa6.Tg3Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com pastiche Zorn vomit!! lol Exactly right. I HATE self-conscious, "hey ma" bands like that. It gives genuinely creative artistry a bad name. -----Original Message----- From: Ronda Turner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 3:12 AM Subject: Re: mr bungle >I dunno... I always thought of Mr. Bungle as pastiche Zorn vomit (and I hate >John Zorn too..). I haven't heard the new record, but I have heard the last >two and I just have to say that in my own subjective take on Mr. Bungle I >think that they are self-consciously weird in the worst way. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 1:18 AM >Subject: Re: mr bungle > > >>Howdy, everyone... >> I'd say that you're very on-topic when talking about Mr. Bungle. They >>apply a great deal of subtle sampling and looping live and on their >>recordings. They are one of the last great, great bands. Bungle is a group >>that I believe can do anything. If they are in a city near you--go see it. >>It's amazing. >>Sincerely, >>Jeff McLeod >> >>At 12:15 AM 11/9/1999 -0500, you wrote: >>>Hey, I caught them this past Saturday in New Haven. Incredible. Be on >the >>>lookout for lots of bizarre instruments and even more bizarre song >>>arrangements and vocalizing by Mr. Patton. I've never been able to get >>>inside any of their CDs, but they make a lot more sense live. If you get >>>the chance... >>> >>>Zero loop content, sorry. >>> >>> >>>Peter >> >>__________________________________________ >>This is not here-- >>And now is almost over... >>http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ >>http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 10:34:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32335; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:34:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:34:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <38283BD5.9B71EB03@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 15:20:53 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: gig, cambridge UK, this thursday 11th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F5iaJ1.0.Bw6.5m3Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi. A gig annoucement: "Darkroom" will be plying their loopy wares this thursday (11th) at the CB2 "internet bistro", Norfolk St, Cambridge UK. Also playing: "glitch" Djs. For more info: http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/ thanks, -- Os os@scee.sony.co.uk os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 10:59:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05745; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:59:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:59:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38286DCC.26AEE071@node.net> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 10:54:04 -0800 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music (WMF or WFM or...anything but?) References: <199911091456.JAA22037@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tG8uH3.0.821.QD4Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, Larry, your mother's maiden name wouldn't Penfield by any chance, would it? In any case, as far as downloads go, I'd say anything should go and, then, go on-line -- WFM, WMF, SWM seeks same for hot predatory business practices, no fakes, no fats, friends first, &c. However, notably missing from these discussions are: * Shockwave audio -- plenty good, if you remember the brief thread on this a few months back. Plus which, the plug-ins required are pretty pervasive in Netscape and IE these days. Strange to buy an animation program (Flash) or more expensive presentation program (Director) to get this highly flexible compression codec, but of such comprimises are downloads made; * Quicktime -- Travis, jump all over this. Embed MIDI or video or just send your audio a'streaming (QT 4 only, in this last scenario). My favorite multimedia codec, bar none, and rare is the Windows box what don't gots; * AIFF -- Hello? Is there something so terrible about this fairly standard standard? A nominally clever desktop audiologist can find tools to compress this file format down to size -- MP3-size, in fact, and far, far better sounding than its well-hyped cohort. Size doesn't matter, after all... ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >And, unlike RM, these products don't cause your > >listeners the pain of surreptitious downloads like the AOL Messaging; nor > >will they end up using your personal data without your permission, as Real > >was caught doing recently. > > Are you saying Micro$oft doesn't peek at your hard-drive to see what > you have loaded and send that info back to Redmond? They've been > caught doing this several times. Internet Explorer was *engineered* > for this very purpose. In fact, users of IE are prone to all kinds > of security breaches, viruses and other mayhem via ActiveX controls, > serious program bugs and holes in the system. > > Just thought I had to set the record straight about this monopoly. > > - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 11:07:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07912; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:07:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:07:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38275D8F.E7A46018@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 00:32:31 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: me Subject: www.electrica.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UlCeK2.0.fJ1.8H4Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com don't miss this if you haven't seen it already ... requires the beatnik plug-in. www.electrica.de later, rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 11:06:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07607; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:06:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:06:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38275C2F.6DD6DFE1@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 00:26:39 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: www.electrica.de with beatnik Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vlU_J3.0.vH1.dG4Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just wanted to pass on the word about a great new site: www.electrica.de you'll need the beatnik plug-in and a fairly decent computer to play on this site - but it's really worth it. lot's of LOOPING stuff and a GREAT design! tip: don't forget to try the "electrophone" page later, rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 11:52:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19493; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:52:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:52:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003101bf2ac5$8b3dcbb0$294badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> References: <003101bf2ac5$8b3dcbb0$294badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:30:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: mr bungle Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"_lZwU3.0.F34._v4Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Funny, I'm listening to the new Mr. Bungle as we speak. IMHO, they've been downhill since the first one! Although there are some lovely moments here and whoever the arranger/producer is deserves worship. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 11:41:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16709; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:41:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:41:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:25:27 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, JohnFlem@aol.com Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX R1 Resent-Message-ID: <"3iLLJ1.0.B43.Vi4Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For currently in production midi floor controllers, I'd go for a Rocktron All Access... very robust and waaaaaaayyyyyyyy more programmable and flexible than the Lex MPX R1. More quiet as well. I tried the R1 with the G2 processor and remember that hollow tin can sound the foot device made. Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." >>> 11/08 8:18 PM >>> The MPX R1....if that is the pedal they sell "with" the Lexicon G2, I don't really like the switches. I was tapping a tempo (trying it out in a music store) and it was louder than my guitar was! I loop acoustic percussion instruments as well as guitar, and it would definately bleed through a microphone. Also, the "throw" of the switches is so far (high) that I found it difficult to tell if they were actually being activated. john painter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 12:11:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24851; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:11:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:11:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:54:41 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: mr bungle Resent-Message-ID: <"qxRZ8.0.8_4.z75Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm not really blown away by any of the recordings, but LIVE, the execution of this stuff is amazing... the dichotomy of structure vs. pure abandon is combined and used to a greater extent than I've ever seen successfully done before. Amazing integration of pure electronic music elements into a greater pop/rock/jazz structure... Bring ear plugs though... It was dangerously loud at the show I attended. Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." >>> Tom Ritchford 11/09 8:50 AM >>> Funny, I'm listening to the new Mr. Bungle as we speak. IMHO, they've been downhill since the first one! Although there are some lovely moments here and whoever the arranger/producer is deserves worship. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 12:45:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01136; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:45:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:45:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:09:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Boycott Gibson, not everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"n0Mqq.0.JP7.Mh5Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://maccentral.com/news/9911/05.leishman.shtml is an excellent article that puts Gibson's current problems into perspective. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 12:45:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01139; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:45:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:45:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 09:24:34 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: mr bungle In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <003101bf2ac5$8b3dcbb0$294badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> <003101bf2ac5$8b3dcbb0$294badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"bg1-31.0.BH7.Ne5Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Funny, I'm listening to the new Mr. Bungle as we speak. >IMHO, they've been downhill since the first one! > >Although there are some lovely moments here and >whoever the arranger/producer is deserves worship. > > /t keep listening to the California disk, there's a lot of depth that's not obvious at first. It's also very different from their previous albums....more Morricone and zappa and brian wilson and not much zorn at all....it grew on me. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 12:53:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02713; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:53:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:53:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Schreier, Steven (Steven)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Eventide DSP 4500 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:48:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"n2rok3.0.YO.jv5Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, I use a DSP 4000 in my arsenal of gear. A very, very cool machine. I might pick up an Orville next. Definitely, use the PC based editor. Steven J. Schreier Lucent Technologies Software Implementation Team San Diego, Ca. Voice: 858.874.1753 Fax: 858.874.1701 E-mail: schreier@lucent.com -----Original Message----- From: JohnFlem@aol.com [mailto:JohnFlem@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 10:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Eventide DSP 4500 I am looking into using the DSP 4500 for live and studio performance. The descriptions in the manual are very impressive, but I haven't actually tried to get it to work yet! Does anyone have any experience with this VERY EXPENSIVE (and complicated) device? (or the "Orville)? John Mark Painter johnflem@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 13:28:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12713; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:28:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:28:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38275C2F.6DD6DFE1@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:23:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: www.electrica.de with beatnik Resent-Message-ID: <"OusQi3.0.0p2.bR6Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow! That is an impressive site. The elctrophone is awesome! Thanks for the tip! - Chris >just wanted to pass on the word about a great new site: > >www.electrica.de > >you'll need the beatnik plug-in and a fairly decent computer to play on >this site - but it's really worth it. lot's of LOOPING stuff and a GREAT >design! > >tip: don't forget to try the "electrophone" page > >later, >rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 14:37:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32534; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:37:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:37:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991109193100.12402.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:31:00 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: mr bungle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"tqSKc2.0.8a7.EQ7Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- L Tremblay wrote: > pastiche Zorn vomit!! lol Exactly right. > > I HATE self-conscious, "hey ma" bands like that. It > gives genuinely creative artistry a bad name. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronda Turner > >I dunno... I always thought of Mr. Bungle as > pastiche Zorn vomit (and I > hate >John Zorn too..). I haven't heard the new >record, > but I have heard the last > >two and I just have to say that in my own > subjective take on Mr. Bungle I > >think that they are self-consciously weird in the > worst way. The word "hate" is being flung around too much for my taste here (in this thread). I can't take a person's opinion very seriously when I see that. Hating it means, to me, that you didn't give it an ample try before judging. I catch myself doing that and I then know I'm being an ignorant and fearful jackass. More often than not, I then learn to appreciate whatever it is quite a bit. Certainly more than something that didn't create strong feelings in me at all. So, someday you'll all be huge Mr. Bungle and Zorn fans. :~) ---Ryan Novak No, none of this is loop-related, but I HATE things that are loop-related anyway. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 14:50:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03934; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:50:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:50:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:44:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: www.electrica.de with beatnik Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"4JLlv2.0.Cf.ld7Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, is one of our favorite Beatnik sites. We liked it so much that we named a bug in Beatnik after it: the Electrica Bug. If you're on Windows, you probably want to grab our latest Beatnik Beta from before you go visit Electrica. Chris At 10:23 AM -0800 11/9/99, Chris Chovit wrote: >Wow! That is an impressive site. The elctrophone is awesome! Thanks for >the tip! > >- Chris > > > > >just wanted to pass on the word about a great new site: > > > >www.electrica.de > > > >you'll need the beatnik plug-in and a fairly decent computer to play on > >this site - but it's really worth it. lot's of LOOPING stuff and a GREAT > >design! > > > >tip: don't forget to try the "electrophone" page > > > >later, > >rob _____________________________________________________ Chris Muir | Vice President of Technology cbm@Beatnik.com | http://www.beatnik.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 14:58:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06296; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:58:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:58:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 13:50:40 -0600 Subject: Headrush features From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.6a74b47c.2558ddaa@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Hta5L3.0.IA1.Am7Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, it depends on what you mean by "customizable"... The Headrush does some really neat things, but I shake my head at what was left out (hold function in delay mode, dry out), and as others have mentioned, the switches are acoustically very loud. I used it for some shows this weekend (solo guitar at an art opening and accompanying a dancer) and concluded that it was too noisy for those situations. If only it had Boomerang or Echoplex-style switches... TH > From: NoelG26@aol.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:15:06 -0500 (EST) > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: hey all > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:17:50 -0500 > > was up, > i am considering buying and AKAI headrush, but have heard many different > things, i love the peaddle and all, but i love a customizable delay, dose > this peaddle offer such a thing? thanks for you help > Reese Richardson > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 15:01:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07320; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:01:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:01:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003101bf2aeb$0ee47e80$4d88b3d1@bob> From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" To: Subject: Re: mr bungle Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:46:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"nwiUB3.0.B91.2m7Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I hate discussions on hate as much as I love discussions of love. Colin | niloC >The word "hate" is being flung around too much for my >taste here (in this thread). I can't take a person's >opinion very seriously when I see that. Hating it >means, to me, that you didn't give it an ample try >before judging. I catch myself doing that and I then >know I'm being an ignorant and fearful jackass. More >often than not, I then learn to appreciate whatever it >is quite a bit. Certainly more than something that >didn't create strong feelings in me at all. > >So, someday you'll all be huge Mr. Bungle and Zorn >fans. :~) > >---Ryan Novak > >No, none of this is loop-related, but I HATE things >that are loop-related anyway. > > > >===== > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 15:16:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11425; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:16:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:16:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001201bf2aee$d528d7f0$1a4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: mr bungle Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:13:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"OipHk1.0.pR2.V_7Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >The word "hate" is being flung around too much for my >taste here (in this thread). I can't take a person's >opinion very seriously when I see that. Hating it >means, to me, that you didn't give it an ample try >before judging. I catch myself doing that and I then >know I'm being an ignorant and fearful jackass. More >often than not, I then learn to appreciate whatever it >is quite a bit. Certainly more than something that >didn't create strong feelings in me at all. Everyone's got an opinion. If "hate" is the right word - and words *do* mean something - then who are you to say? I HATE pretentious dreck and self-conscious baffoonery of Mr Bungle. And you don't. But no one said you were an idiot for liking it, did they? Are you an "an ignorant and fearful jackass" for having bad taste - afraid of not liking it for whatever reason? Who knows? It's all subjective. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 15:16:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11740; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:16:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:16:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:14:02 -0800 (PST) From: James Pearce X-Sender: jamesrp@iris To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mr bungle In-Reply-To: <003101bf2aeb$0ee47e80$4d88b3d1@bob> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"nt7gs1.0.aV2.V08Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com umm...i guess i throw in my 2 pence about zorn n' bungle. the only thing that makes zorn good is yamatsuka (sp?) eye's vocals and i can get all that and more from The Boredoms. next... Bungle, as far as expanding the horizons of music in comparison to somebody like the Sun City Girls pales to a white hot heat...nobody meets music on the same level as SCG, and keeps pushing it to its limits for as long as they have. _______________________________________________________________________ James R. Pearce jamesrp@statenet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 15:43:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19200; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:43:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:43:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382885EC.435072BB@cdm.sfai.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 12:37:03 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Organization: Center for Digital Media@ The San Francisco Art Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Casio DG20 MIDI Guitar References: <003101bf2ac5$8b3dcbb0$294badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Resent-Message-ID: <"2PVxh2.0.K74.sL8Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey kids, I used to own this wacky nylon stringed monster, but it was destroyed my a horde of angry villagers. If anyone has or knows someone who wants to get rid of one, I'm interested. I lost a bid war on Ebay for one... -- Mark Sottilaro Multimedia Specialist Center for Digital Media San Francisco Art Institute (415) 771-7020 ext. 4411 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 16:23:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29170; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:23:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:23:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <021401bf2af7$ab50ef40$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Reply-To: "Ken M" From: "Ken Melms" To: Subject: Re: mr bungle Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:16:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"1MPRP2.0.3g6.ox8Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Re: Mr Bungle.. Mike P. was kind enough to hang out with me after the show in New Haven Saturday night, and we spoke a a little about his work and what he's trying to accomplish. I'd say he's one of the brightest individuals I've met in a long time, and their music is something I would hope would be studied for years to come. IMHO and Out the doo' -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ritchford To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 12:00 PM Subject: Re: mr bungle >Funny, I'm listening to the new Mr. Bungle as we speak. >IMHO, they've been downhill since the first one! > >Although there are some lovely moments here and >whoever the arranger/producer is deserves worship. > > /t > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 16:39:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02015; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:39:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:39:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 13:32:37 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, internet#c#well.com#c#cbm@svg.com Subject: Re: www.electrica.de with beatnik Resent-Message-ID: <"Np6dQ.0.Dt7.mC9Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow! Wottasite! The Electrophone is a blast... be patient and wait for everything to load. You can actually play a whole slew of samples as well as switch instrument voices. I'm going to record a c90 tape of this one instrument alone for road trips... -Miko >>> Chris Muir 11/09 11:48 AM >>> Yeah, is one of our favorite Beatnik sites. We liked it so much that we named a bug in Beatnik after it: the Electrica Bug. If you're on Windows, you probably want to grab our latest Beatnik Beta from before you go visit Electrica. Chris At 10:23 AM -0800 11/9/99, Chris Chovit wrote: >Wow! That is an impressive site. The elctrophone is awesome! Thanks for >the tip! > >- Chris > > > > >just wanted to pass on the word about a great new site: > > > >www.electrica.de > > > >you'll need the beatnik plug-in and a fairly decent computer to play on > >this site - but it's really worth it. lot's of LOOPING stuff and a GREAT > >design! > > > >tip: don't forget to try the "electrophone" page > > > >later, > >rob _____________________________________________________ Chris Muir | Vice President of Technology cbm@Beatnik.com | http://www.beatnik.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 16:51:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05405; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:51:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:51:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000201bf2afa$b1b3bb80$f49c883e@colins-gear> From: "Colin Seddon" To: , "Jerry Forbes at Dartington" , "Jerry Forbes at home" Subject: Re: Warning Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:29:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"13t132.0.rg7.C99Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oops! Mr only- been- on- line- for- 6- months here Sorry folks....wasting space like that. Thanks for the symantec address. And particular thanks to G716 and Javier for forwarding to everyone in my address book too. >It's a hoax. Please see http://www-cl-1.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html. > >There's numerous urban legend and virus hoax web-sites out there. Please >check them before forwarding panic attacks to your entire address book. > >Trying, against all odds, to stop the spread of hoaxes -- worse than viruses >they are.... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Colin Seddon" >>> e-mail titled "How to Give a Cat a Colonic." CALIFORNIA IBM and AOL have > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 16:39:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02040; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:39:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:39:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991109213409.72267.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.135] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mr bungle Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 13:34:09 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"6VxIv.0.O7.6E9Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmmmm Ignorant ,fearful, jackass..what's that about judging?? >From: Ryan Novak >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: mr bungle >Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:31:00 -0800 (PST) > >--- L Tremblay wrote: > > pastiche Zorn vomit!! lol Exactly right. > > > > I HATE self-conscious, "hey ma" bands like that. It > > gives genuinely creative artistry a bad name. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ronda Turner > > >I dunno... I always thought of Mr. Bungle as > > pastiche Zorn vomit (and I > > hate >John Zorn too..). I haven't heard the new > >record, > > but I have heard the last > > >two and I just have to say that in my own > > subjective take on Mr. Bungle I > > >think that they are self-consciously weird in the > > worst way. > >The word "hate" is being flung around too much for my >taste here (in this thread). I can't take a person's >opinion very seriously when I see that. Hating it >means, to me, that you didn't give it an ample try >before judging. I catch myself doing that and I then >know I'm being an ignorant and fearful jackass. More >often than not, I then learn to appreciate whatever it >is quite a bit. Certainly more than something that >didn't create strong feelings in me at all. > >So, someday you'll all be huge Mr. Bungle and Zorn >fans. :~) > >---Ryan Novak > >No, none of this is loop-related, but I HATE things >that are loop-related anyway. > > > >===== > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 19:35:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16532; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:35:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:35:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991109192742.007a7920@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:27:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: mr bungle In-Reply-To: <001201bf2aee$d528d7f0$1a4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ysyvI3.0.aV3.XnBAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While I do enjoy Bungle in small doses (and the related Spruance project Secret Chiefs 3 somewhat more), what I h-, er, dislike is when I jam with people who want to do lame 2nd generation Bunglesque ripoffs. A little homage/parody goes a LOOOOONG way, but at least Mr. Bungle have some imagination and originality. I've never caught them live; on recordings Patton can be annoying, but it sounds like he'd be a lot of fun to see in concert. I don't think I'll ever become a huge fan, but I can appreciate some of what they do. Regarding Zorn, has anyone else noticed that while much of his stuff is indeed obnoxious, some of it is absolutely brilliant and tasteful. But I find this inconsistency really steers me away from purchasing his CD's because they're such a crap-shoot, sometimes literally. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 19:55:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22680; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:55:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:55:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FDB5@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: mr bungle Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:46:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"Bfwo31.0.gy4.I2CAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com on recordings Patton can be annoying, but it sounds like he'd be a lot of fun to see in concert. ** patton's two solo efforts on tzadik are pretty different - - and pretty interesting. adult themes for voice and microphone is a pretty extreme record (imho). the second is much less extreme and he doesn't really do any/much vocalization on it at all - - mostly just electronics. worth checking out. Regarding Zorn, has anyone else noticed that while much of his stuff is indeed obnoxious, some of it is absolutely brilliant and tasteful. But I find this inconsistency really steers me away from purchasing his CD's because they're such a crap-shoot, sometimes literally. ** the funny thing about zorn is that he does so much stuff. i don't even pretend to like or even to have heard everything that he has done. he seems to have a pretty fertile imagination - - whether or not any of us think that it's crap or not. masada, naked city, spy vs. spy, quartets for the kronos quartet and news for lulu are all very different sounding projects. my guess is that you sort of have to pick and choose what it is that you might like . . . or not. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 20:33:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01887; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:33:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:33:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991110013000.3303.rocketmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:30:00 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: mr bungle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"mTG0X2.0.RI.kgCAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- David Potter wrote: > Hmmmm Ignorant ,fearful, jackass..what's that about > judging?? No, I really did mean that in reference to myself. Or maybe you're concerned that I'm too self-critical. :~) ---Ryan ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 20:31:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01402; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:31:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:31:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3828CB01.23DE825D@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 17:31:55 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: er, zorn References: <3.0.5.32.19991109192742.007a7920@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JLVqu3.0.sx7.hdCAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tim Nelson wrote: > Regarding Zorn, has anyone else noticed that while much of his stuff is > indeed obnoxious, some of it is absolutely brilliant and tasteful. But I > find this inconsistency really steers me away from purchasing his CD's > because they're such a crap-shoot, sometimes literally. well, i have one john zorn cd: naked city, circa '89, and while the bulk of the material is *difficult* listening (ask my partner), i find that there are several tracks which i keep going back to; these are mainly frisell / horvitz / frith excursions and i do believe i've not heard anything like them, anywhere. though i too have shied away from other zorn work, perhaps unfairly (so much music, so little time)... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 20:34:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02534; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:34:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:34:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991110013042.24819.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:30:42 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: mr bungle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"loTKz.0.jK.OhCAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- David Potter wrote: > Hmmmm Ignorant ,fearful, jackass..what's that about > judging?? No, I really did mean that in reference to myself. Or maybe you're concerned that I'm too self-critical. :~) ---Ryan ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 21:22:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14168; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:22:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:22:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991110021817.22724.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mr bungle Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 18:18:16 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"j7tMa3.0.QD3.UODAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I like John Zorn, but in smaller doses. I only have 1 Naked City CD. I've owned some of his composition CD's (like Elegy) and his novelty use of sound FX started to get old after only a few listens. Don't get my wrong though, I continue to be impressed with John Zorn the producer and John Zorn the record label guy (Tzadik). He continues to find (or re-introduce) many amazing composer/musicians like Jim O'Rourke, David Shea (he's in Mr. Bungle, right?), and tons of people I never heard of. Another nice thing that he does is provide a nice description of the musician's style on Tzadik CD's. I recently saw a performance in SF with Mike Patton on vocals, Otomo Yoshihidae on turntables, and Bob Ostertag on samples. It was quite an amazing show!. Mr. Tough >From: "Ronda Turner" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: mr bungle >Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:04:47 -0600 > >I dunno... I always thought of Mr. Bungle as pastiche Zorn vomit (and I >hate >John Zorn too..). I haven't heard the new record, but I have heard the last >two and I just have to say that in my own subjective take on Mr. Bungle I >think that they are self-consciously weird in the worst way. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 1:18 AM >Subject: Re: mr bungle > > > >Howdy, everyone... > > I'd say that you're very on-topic when talking about Mr. Bungle. They > >apply a great deal of subtle sampling and looping live and on their > >recordings. They are one of the last great, great bands. Bungle is a >group > >that I believe can do anything. If they are in a city near you--go see >it. > >It's amazing. > >Sincerely, > >Jeff McLeod > > > >At 12:15 AM 11/9/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >>Hey, I caught them this past Saturday in New Haven. Incredible. Be on >the > >>lookout for lots of bizarre instruments and even more bizarre song > >>arrangements and vocalizing by Mr. Patton. I've never been able to get > >>inside any of their CDs, but they make a lot more sense live. If you >get > >>the chance... > >> > >>Zero loop content, sorry. > >> > >> > >>Peter > > > >__________________________________________ > >This is not here-- > >And now is almost over... > >http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ > >http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 21:59:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22908; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:59:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:59:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991110025139.1219.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:51:39 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: mr bungle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"G1IVc.0.W35.LtDAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > Regarding Zorn, has anyone else noticed that while > much of his stuff is > indeed obnoxious, some of it is absolutely brilliant > and tasteful. But I > find this inconsistency really steers me away from > purchasing his CD's > because they're such a crap-shoot, sometimes > literally. At this point I don't buy his stuff unless I hear it first. Some of it is really inspired and may provoke a certain strong reaction (not necessarily love) but other things are surprisingly luke-warm. He is undeniably quite a force in getting more obscure music heard though. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 22:20:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28074; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:20:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:20:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911100259.VAA04099@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:59:45 -0400 Subject: wanted From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5VrTp1.0.gb5.W-DAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---------- > -Does anyone on The list ahappen To Have Marantz or tascam stereo portable cassette recorder for sale or Trade.. let me know c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 23:18:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08942; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:18:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:18:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Re: Mr. Bungle/Gear (Non-Loop) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:11:12 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf2b31$9fffda40$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"LPJ8R2.0.Rp1.k1FAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a note for all interested parties- I will be attending and recording (as best I can) the show in L.A. on the 23rd- I have heard enough to at least warrant going to check 'em out! below are the tour dates- Also- someone mentioned a Digitech something 8000? I would like to see a picture of this- LD site has no pic and I cannot find any searching the web- I am currently using a Jam Man as my EDP is out sick- I am using a DR-5 and an old Yamaha KM 802 mixer along with my Tech 21 amp etc- my Vortex will be coming back from repairs by the end of the week so I hope to have some more substantial examples up on my site soon but wanted to know how some other loopers are creating percussion/ drum parts for looping? The Dr-5 is ok but I would like to have better sounds and flams for jazz- the newer Boss has a nifty button for flams that makes jazz ride symbols a snap and snare flams really easy too- very difficult on my box- PS- I am finding my mini disc recorder fantastic for logging loops and ideas- much nicer is the ability to take your current work ideas out of the house and on the bike etc- good for "the process" One question- anyone bought one of those battery boxes to allow the mic to use the line in instead of the mic in? There are so many just wanted to see if anyone has an opinion of one- the line in is so much more quiet! PSS- Thanks Kim for the LD site additions and for the maintenance! Looks great- Clifford From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 9 23:33:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12186; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:33:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:33:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.75fec912.255a4b46@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:15:02 EST Subject: Re: www.electrica.de with beatnik To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"lal7b3.0.I52._5FAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com last week it was sound raider..................now this!.................what have you people brought me to?..............thanks for the pointer................ fun site............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 04:07:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06897; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 04:07:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 04:07:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 03:45:47 -0500 (EST) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: er, zorn In-Reply-To: <3828CB01.23DE825D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"1woSp2.0.gn.V5JAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you ever get a chance to see him doing COBRA, do it! N From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 06:10:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27971; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:10:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:10:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 04:59:30 -0500 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: www.electrica.de with beatnik Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199911100459_MC2-8C7E-971F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id FAA15794 Resent-Message-ID: <"ANpZb1.0.0t3._8KAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What's the story? I am bad with computers and have a lame 'old' (five years!) machine and feel bad be be excluded.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 06:24:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30724; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:24:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:24:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:12:50 -0500 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: Mr. Bungle/Gear (Non-Loop) Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199911100512_MC2-8C6D-2DE6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id FAA18287 Resent-Message-ID: <"MLAqc.0.zT4.VLKAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com "anyone bought one of those battery boxes to allow the mic to use the line in instead of the mic in?" -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- Yes, that's a great concept. I have a unit like that using selected Sennheiser mike-caps. They are made by a shop in Berlin that specialises on these things esp. for live recordings with potable DAT, minidisc etc. I recorded a voice/acoustic guitar duo at the singers living room that way that made it on CD...(with g/b/dr accompaniment added in the studio)! Email me privately if you'd like the address, though I'm shure someone in the states makes things like that. Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 09:45:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06516; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:45:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:45:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:34:10 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hateful Spiteful Looperz Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Fkw4n.0.n_.KAOAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sheesh, I don't know about you but all of these bands pale in comparison to Mujedo. They're currently the only band that actually scares me when I listen to them. Powerfully fright'nin stuff. Anyone see them live? The band before that that used to scare me was Devil Doll and they never generated such powerful opinions such as on the Mr. Bungle stuff. Loop onwards, freak child. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 09:52:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07981; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:52:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:52:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3829778A.F4EC5962@cdm.sfai.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:47:54 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Organization: San Francisco Art Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: www.electrica.de with beatnik References: <0.75fec912.255a4b46@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Resent-Message-ID: <"VW2Xo1.0.DL1.0HOAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh my GOD! This site ROCKS. It is everything I've been trying to do on CD ROM on the internet. The sound quality was great, but I couldn't tell how big the files are. I've got a cable connection and things seem really fast to download. I wonder how it was for regular modem users. I believe the Beatnik authoring plugin is included in Macromedia's Director 7. I've been avoiding upgrading from 6, but that's just to damn attractive. Just chain me to a computer and call me geek boy. Geek boy. -- Mark Sottilaro | Center for Digital Media Multimedia Specialist | San Francisco Art Institute mark@cdm.sfai.edu | San Francisco, California (415) 771-7020 ext. 4411 | 94133 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 10:08:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11594; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:08:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:08:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38297C2D.DBB3C529@cdm.sfai.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:07:41 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Organization: San Francisco Art Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mr bungle/Zorn obnoxious. References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FDB5@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Resent-Message-ID: <"SOhWF2.0.OV2.JaOAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Of course Zorn is obnoxious, *as are we all* from time to time. (some more than others!) Since when is art/music supposed to be pleasant or friendly? In a class I once attended, two nice boys from Austria, who call themselves "Granular Synthesis," showed videos of their music/video/performance art piece. The piece involved taking snippets (2-60 frames) of a video of a woman screaming something. (I believe it was in Japanese) The snippets were looped and shown, juxtaposed, by huge video projectors that were lined up. 6 in a row. Aural and visual "beating" and techno/dance synth background pounded the class. It was great! So harsh. Fun! After the video, I quickly realized that 2/3 of the class had left! One of the remaining students asked, "Why do you make your art so annoying?" Ha! They took it really well, and proceeded to explain how often art isn't really entertaining. It can be harsh and brutal, just like life. It all depends on your point of view. Once the Beatles were described that way. -- Mark Sottilaro | Center for Digital Media Multimedia Specialist | San Francisco Art Institute mark@cdm.sfai.edu | San Francisco, California (415) 771-7020 ext. 4411 | 94133 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 10:28:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16555; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:28:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:28:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Alan.Maguire@CERT.IE Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: Loopers for sale online? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <01JI6DX819EK001ARG@kira.team400.ie> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-description: TEXT.TXT Resent-Message-ID: <"D1mlf.0.7j3.bsOAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings Loopers, After months of frustration I'm giving up waiting for any local music shops to stock looping gear. I suppose I'll have to buy over the web. Can anyone recomend an online vendor? I'd rather buy a Headrush or a Boomerang new, rather then s/hand from an individual. Also I'd prefer UK to US (to cut down on shipping costs to Dublin). Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 10:53:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23011; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:53:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:53:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:44:40 -0600 Subject: FS: Digitech RDS 4000 (ebay) From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"03JIV.0.X_4.7CPAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=196495914 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 11:23:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30517; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:23:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:23:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282D91A@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Hateful Spiteful Looperz Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:14:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"nnrGN1.0.jt6.udPAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gosh you mean menudo is still around? reunion concert, tour? hahaha yes they scare me too, DT - Sheesh, I don't know about you but all of these bands pale in comparison to Mujedo. They're currently the only band that actually scares me when I listen to them. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 11:44:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03017; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:44:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:44:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b4993b1b.255af6a2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:26:10 EST Subject: more toys To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"Tfb0G3.0.Lb7.UpPAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com other niffty toys and a good overview can be found at www.beatnik.com all this kept me up very late last nite, made me wonder though, how many monkeys does it take to make music that i like?.........i think that on some level, this stuff sort of scares me........ive spent years and lots-o-money to do this sort of thing (kind of) and now anyone can jump on the bandwagon.........now we will have many little morton subotnics (sp) out there........but i can still play the lick from "smoke on the water" on my unmentionable............:)..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 12:01:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08735; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:01:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:01:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001701bf2b9c$888c93b0$2c4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Hateful Spiteful Looperz Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:56:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"J5l222.0.kf1.BDQAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, wasn't Ricky Martin a member of Menudo? Be scared; be very scared. :) - Larry -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 11:27 AM Subject: RE: Hateful Spiteful Looperz >Gosh you mean menudo is still around? reunion concert, tour? hahaha >yes they scare me too, > >DT > >- > > >Sheesh, I don't know about you but all of these bands pale in >comparison to Mujedo. They're currently the only band that >actually scares me when I listen to them. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 12:04:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09277; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:04:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:04:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991110165528.5257.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.13] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers for sale online? Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:55:27 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"7iurD3.0.zn1.rEQAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Call Rick Lane at P.A.S. 1 800 4337668 ex 27 tell him papadave sent you. It's a huge music warehouse in Texas...best prices i've found. Loop on Om and Out >From: Alan.Maguire@CERT.IE >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Loopers for sale online? >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:17 +0100 (BST) > > > > Greetings Loopers, > > After months of frustration I'm giving up waiting for any local music > shops to stock looping gear. I suppose I'll have to buy over the web. > > Can anyone recomend an online vendor? I'd rather buy a Headrush or a > Boomerang new, rather then s/hand from an individual. Also I'd prefer > UK to US (to cut down on shipping costs to Dublin). > > Thanks. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 12:15:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12881; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:15:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:15:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.b4993b1b.255af6a2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:02:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: more toys [no loop content] Resent-Message-ID: <"knoit1.0.vD2.NLQAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:26 AM -0800 11/10/99, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >but i can still play the lick from "smoke on the water" on my >unmentionable............:)..........michael At one point in my life I was doing some demo work for Don Buchla when his Thunder MIDI controller was new. We were at a NAMM show, and I had worked up a demo that showed off the Thunder in many ways, mostly in the ambient or experimental "genres". At one point in the demo I broke into a version of "Smoke On The Water" (this was at NAMM, after all), which I thought was completely hilarious... a ludicrous thing to be playing on this touch pad MIDI controller. Most people got it and also chuckled at this, but this one couple looked at me with something approaching pity and walked off shaking their heads. A memory I'll always cherish. Chris _________________________________________________ Chris Muir | cbm@well.com | Got moloko? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 12:50:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21889; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:50:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:50:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:34:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: RE: mr bungle Resent-Message-ID: <"5-Q8m2.0.yj3.1gQAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 7:46 PM 11/9/99, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >on recordings Patton can be annoying, but it sounds like he'd be a lot of >fun to see in >concert. > >** patton's two solo efforts on tzadik are pretty different - - and pretty >interesting. adult themes for voice and microphone is a pretty extreme >record (imho). the second is much less extreme and he doesn't really do >any/much vocalization on it at all - - mostly just electronics. worth >checking out. > On the subject of Patton's non-Bungle output, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Fantomas. Sort of an alt.metal supergroup, Patton and Trevor Dunn from Bungle, King Buzzo from the Melvins and Dave Lombardo, ex-Slayer drummer. The record's fantastic, in the realm of Naked City without the overt genre references, or some of the new Japanese stuff like the Ruins, Zeni Geva, or Ground Zero, and they were outstanding live. I can appreciate Bungle, have seen them live twice, but I do find their albums a bit overbearing, especially Claifornia. Fantomas, however, totally rocks for me. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 12:52:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22774; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:52:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:52:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007601bf2ba2$cc460360$8c32dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282D91A@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: Hateful Spiteful Looperz Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:41:18 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"EzDOF.0.Zr4.dvQAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think the folks pushing the Ricky Martin Marketing Bandwagon would prefer we all forget the word Menudo, eh? Ricky was kicked out of it when he got too old for the group... And, NO, I've not been watching too much VH-1! Though the "pop-up" treatment of Menudo is irresistable. Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear NEW music 11/1 here!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Taaffe, Denis G To: Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 08:14 Subject: RE: Hateful Spiteful Looperz > Gosh you mean menudo is still around? reunion concert, tour? hahaha > yes they scare me too, From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 12:54:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23248; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:54:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:54:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010f01bf2ba2$75e1eca0$2acf08cf@donaldpancoe> From: "Don \"Mango\" Pancoe" To: References: <0.b4993b1b.255af6a2@aol.com> Subject: Re: more toys Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:38:52 -0500 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"CpUnx1.0.Ix4.FxQAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com michael..........wrote............ > other niffty toys and a good overview can be found at www.beatnik.com > all this kept me up very late last nite, made me wonder though, how many > monkeys does it take to make music that i like?.........i think that on some > level, this stuff sort of scares me........ive spent years and lots-o-money > to do this sort of thing (kind of) and now anyone can jump on the > bandwagon.........now we will have many little morton subotnics (sp) out > there Advances in technology are are always a double (or triple, or more) edged sword. While they can be used to produce previously impossible, inspired works in the hands of talented artists, they also make it possible for legions of people to create an endless supply of mediocre works. Which, in itself might produce another side effect; a quite desirable one in my mind. With the means of artistic creation widely availabe, when the average citizen is faced with the daunting task of separating the precious wheat from the abundant chaff of other people's art, perhaps they will be encouraged to produce their own art instead. These days, too much emphasis is placed on the marketing and consumption of art, and too little emphasis is placed on its creation - an equally important, or even more important part of the equation, IMHO. >........but i can still play the lick from "smoke on the water" on my > unmentionable............:)..........michael Now *that* is a very personal form of expression...... -- Mango -- A *huge* Bungle fan, with no appologies...... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 13:36:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02369; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:36:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:36:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:44:12 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: ntrembat@statsol.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: er, zorn, bungle, derek bailey... OT Resent-Message-ID: <"vHLVo3.0.Up7.yXRAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This whole thread seems to have a general tone of not liking the recordings as much as the live "event". The nature of both Zorn and Bungle is one of interaction and execution... In Derek Bailey's book "Improvisation..." he discusses the live performance and how trying to document it in any way removes it from it's proper contextual environment. You're really not getting all the elements that were present affecting the performers and their choices. Seeing them making those choices and creating their music AND actually experiencing that CAN'T be captured. Now we all know how great it is to get a recording of someone we love and REALLY enjoy listening to it. But frequently I chase down an artist's work and find that, sure... I get a lot of information from the documented playing, but just don't need to listen a whole lot more... even though I will beat a path to their gigs because it's incredibly vital and ground breaking, essential stuff (Fripp is this way for me... can't listen much to the recordings, but love him live). But it's a real time phenomena and the document is just a single snapshot of a larger process. BTW: Bungle has actually done Zorn's COBRA... I don't know who prompted, but I'd love to hear their session of that! Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." >>> Neal Trembath 11/10 1:05 AM >>> If you ever get a chance to see him doing COBRA, do it! N From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 14:01:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09213; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:01:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:01:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:42:40 -0600 Subject: tc D-Two, Disppointed again? From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HLkPM.0.y01.1pRAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looking through tc's website (http://www.tcelectronic.com/), under the D-Two spec sheet, I see no mention of MIDI. That'd be a shame. I was reflecting the other day how every looping device seems to be missing at least one feature that one or more of the others have (Boomerang won't latch into overdub mode, Headrush doesn't have hold function in delay mode, etc). Conversely, each one also seems to have at least one feature that the others don't. All of these design decisions push you into certain approaches, but I'm still baffled at tc's apparent exclusion of MIDI support on the D-Two. In related news, I'm twitchy to buy two more EDP's the moment they're available again. Does anyone have any projected availability dates? TH -- Tiktok: Austin's Premier One-Man Ambient Band http://home.sprintmail.com/~tiktok/ MP3's available from: www.rollingstone.com www.mp3.com www.austinmp3.com Purchase Tiktok CD's at: https://order.kagi.com/cgi-bin/r1.cgi?UX9&&lang=en From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 14:45:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20903; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:45:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:45:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:29:24 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Mujedo, not Menudo! Sheesh! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"zwDZT.0.J44.BVSAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's MUJEDO, not Menudo. See: http://www.waste.org/~crash/mujedo.html I think I'm the first site dedicated to this band but I don't know a whole lot about them. Musical terrorists they claim they are. Not dance music by pubescent latin guys, a bunch of pissed off caucasions. The article I reposted on the site seems too surreal to be real.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 15:19:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29262; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:19:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:19:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:49:26 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, hartne.t@apple.com Subject: Re: tc D-Two, Disppointed again? NOT YET! Resent-Message-ID: <"40o06.0.bR5.zoSAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've spoken with Simon at TC Electronic US and he said it did have midi and was cc patchable. He wasn't able to give detailed information because he's yet to see the unit or a manual himself. He also said it had a hold function which isn't mentioned anywhere in the ad copy or on Harmony Central... I'm hoping this isn't just cheap talk by a sales rep... I've spoken with him about other products of theirs and he's been informative and generally correct. I'm hoping this is true for the D-Two as well. If so it is sounding like a stereo dream come true. >>> Travis Hartnett 11/10 10:46 AM >>> Looking through tc's website (http://www.tcelectronic.com/), under the D-Two spec sheet, I see no mention of MIDI. That'd be a shame. I was reflecting the other day how every looping device seems to be missing at least one feature that one or more of the others have (Boomerang won't latch into overdub mode, Headrush doesn't have hold function in delay mode, etc). Conversely, each one also seems to have at least one feature that the others don't. All of these design decisions push you into certain approaches, but I'm still baffled at tc's apparent exclusion of MIDI support on the D-Two. In related news, I'm twitchy to buy two more EDP's the moment they're available again. Does anyone have any projected availability dates? TH -- Tiktok: Austin's Premier One-Man Ambient Band http://home.sprintmail.com/~tiktok/ MP3's available from: www.rollingstone.com www.mp3.com www.austinmp3.com Purchase Tiktok CD's at: https://order.kagi.com/cgi-bin/r1.cgi?UX9&&lang=en From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 15:26:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31296; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:26:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:26:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282D928@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Mujedo, not Menudo! Sheesh! Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:12:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"aGOPT1.0.4l6.S7TAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hahaha DT It's MUJEDO, not Menudo. See: http://www.waste.org/~crash/mujedo.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 15:48:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04116; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:48:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:48:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911102009.PAA06846@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> X-Sender: kevincc@houndsofheaven.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:09:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Subject: Re: Mujedo, not Menudo! Sheesh! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"XuNGH2.0.kV6.j4TAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >It's MUJEDO, not Menudo. > >See: >http://www.waste.org/~crash/mujedo.html > >I think I'm the first site dedicated to this band but I don't know >a whole lot about them. Musical terrorists they claim they are. >Not dance music by pubescent latin guys, a bunch of pissed off >caucasions. The article I reposted on the site seems too surreal >to be real.... Well, I doubt very much it is. There's no way a band like that would be able to play for four hours in Cobo Hall and the mention of the SPINN interview, well... I'll believe it when I hear it Kevin who may well have spent way too much time taking a joke seriously From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 16:30:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14726; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:30:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:30:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002f01bf2bbd$9629d340$5d6fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: Subject: Re: Loopers for sale online? Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:53:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"jvxxW1.0.Hf1.EoTAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Call Rick Lane at P.A.S. 1 800 4337668 ex 27 tell him papadave sent you. It's a huge music warehouse in Texas...best prices i've found. Loop on Om and Out" that's if he will return your phone call. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 17:00:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22226; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:00:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:00:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001601bf2bc5$a0f5acb0$104badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Mujedo, not Menudo! Sheesh! Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:50:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"PIXGb3.0.JZ4.yWUAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com RE: The latest, hottest, most controversial band in the known universe Oh, I'm so scared... so dangerous and shocking. Please... A band that has to try this hard to be "controversial" (or Con-trived-vercial"), really isn't. Pretty lame marketing angle. Dada, Surrealism and Punk have been there, done that *way* better. Or maybe Mujedo is supposed to be a parody? Seems to be too embarrassingly sincere to be the case, though. - Larry >>It's MUJEDO, not Menudo. >> >>See: >>http://www.waste.org/~crash/mujedo.html >> >>I think I'm the first site dedicated to this band but I don't know >>a whole lot about them. Musical terrorists they claim they are. >>Not dance music by pubescent latin guys, a bunch of pissed off >>caucasions. The article I reposted on the site seems too surreal >>to be real.... > >Well, I doubt very much it is. There's no way a band like that would be >able to play for four hours in Cobo Hall and the mention of the SPINN >interview, well... > >I'll believe it when I hear it > >Kevin > >who may well have spent way too much time taking a joke seriously > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 17:01:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22295; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:01:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:01:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:43:38 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Christy Doran's Reply Resent-Message-ID: <"pcJOn.0.Rs3.1LUAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I sent him the talk about him on the list and he replied: >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:04:21 +0000 >From: Christy Doran >Reply-To: cdoran@centralnet.ch >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: Matthias Grob >Subject: [Fwd: looping] >Dear Michael Yoder, >Mathias Grob sent me on your lines. You are welcome to contact me by >e-mail. I also have a homepage at the jazz school Lucerne (new name: >Musikhochschule Luzern), where I teach at the professional departement. > >www.jsl.ch/staff/chdoran/doran.htm > >Since 2 years I have my own band, called "Christy Doran´s NEW BAG"; we >have been on a big tour last summer throughout Bolivia (´was great), >then the Canadian Jazzfestivals Edmonton, Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver >and Montreal, and then on to NY, LA and Seattle. >NEW BAG also made a CD, for which I have founded a new label called "On >Cue Records" - a homepage for this is on its way. > >I got tired of the PRS: I am playing an ESP custom stonewashed strat >(and still have the old delays: they have travelled all over the place >to Scandinavia, North and Southamerica, Africa, India and the Carabeans >- and are still working...) plus an echoplex for longer loops. > >Thanks for your interest >and bye for now, >Christy > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 17:20:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26997; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:20:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:20:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991110215024.71539.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.244] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers for sale online? Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:50:24 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"j5rcL1.0.Mn4.LZUAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't go postaldave on us. I know Rick Lane. He has helped me get a lot of stuff at great prices and he knows some loopers will be calling regarding looping tools and he is glad to help and he will call you back if you are nice. Om and Out >From: "postaldave" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: Loopers for sale online? >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:53:00 -0500 > >"Call Rick Lane at P.A.S. 1 800 4337668 ex 27 tell him papadave sent you. >It's a huge music warehouse in Texas...best prices i've found. > Loop on Om and Out" > >that's if he will return your phone call. > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 17:45:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00581; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:45:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:45:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <0.66506a4e.255b4a23@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:22:27 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #441 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"ip3LG1.0.Pk6.X1VAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/10/99 10:57:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: << Regarding Zorn, has anyone else noticed that while much of his stuff is >> indeed obnoxious, some of it is absolutely brilliant and tasteful. But I >> find this inconsistency really steers me away from purchasing his CD's >> because they're such a crap-shoot, sometimes literally. While I'll admit my patience wears thin pretty quickly when it comes to his sax playing for the most part, Zorn really turned my impression of him around when it came to the Masada projects, which to my ears have a depth that a lot of his other work lacks, clever and/or radical as some of it may be. But the stuff I'd most highly recommend is on the many CDs of chamber-type ensembles on Tzadic which feature his music but not his playing. They usually have a core of Eric Friedlander (cello), Mark Feldman (violin), Greg Cohen (bass), Anthony Coleman (piano), Marc Ribot (guitar), sometimes adding folks like Dave Douglas (trumpet), Kenny Wollesen (drums), Cyro Baptista (percussion) and Min Xiao-Fen (pipa). Sublime and imaginative in a way I'd never previously expected from him. Never heard Mr. Bungle. Judging from this discussion, I can't figure out whether I'm missing anything or not... Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 18:15:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07996; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:15:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:15:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3829F1BB.475D@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:29:15 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mujedo, not Menudo! Sheesh! References: <001601bf2bc5$a0f5acb0$104badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rfB2Y.0.J67.y6VAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Or maybe Mujedo is supposed to be a parody? Seems to be > too embarrassingly sincere to be the case, though. > >>http://www.waste.org/~crash/mujedo.html This is a great parody IMO. A bit close to the bone (hell-o bands that act a bit too close to this) but it's obviously a joke (as though I need to say that). Check out the names fer crissakes. too rich! Loop content: Last time I'll ask here: Does anyone know a competent tech person who can perform the resistor upgrade on an EDP? Please email me direct if you can help. Thanks! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 19:40:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27810; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:40:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:40:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <382A07A8.FD767221@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:02:48 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: music (WMF or WFM or...anything but?) References: <199911091456.JAA22037@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <38286DCC.26AEE071@node.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O8NAA1.0.-D6.PxWAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey james, you've got to stop picking on larry. after all he's only posted 80 messages since oct. 14! ... now that must be worth some sort of looper's delight participation award, no? :-) more to the point, how do you compress an aiff-file? i (a confessed windozer) didn't know this was possible. thanks, robbo James Keepnews schrieb: > Hey, Larry, your mother's maiden name wouldn't Penfield by any chance, would it? In any case, as far as downloads go, I'd say anything should go and, then, go on-line -- WFM, WMF, SWM seeks same for hot predatory business practices, no fakes, no fats, friends first, &c. However, notably missing from these discussions are: > > * Shockwave audio -- plenty good, if you remember the brief thread on this a few months back. Plus which, the plug-ins required are pretty pervasive in Netscape and IE these days. Strange to buy an animation program (Flash) or more expensive presentation program (Director) to get this highly flexible compression codec, but of such comprimises are downloads made; > > * Quicktime -- Travis, jump all over this. Embed MIDI or video or just send your audio a'streaming (QT 4 only, in this last scenario). My favorite multimedia codec, bar none, and rare is the Windows box what don't gots; > > * AIFF -- Hello? Is there something so terrible about this fairly standard standard? A nominally clever desktop audiologist can find tools to compress this file format down to size -- MP3-size, in fact, and far, far better sounding than its well-hyped cohort. Size doesn't matter, after all... > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" > (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < > \ * -- Krishnamurti > - > - keepnews@node.net - < > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >And, unlike RM, these products don't cause your > > >listeners the pain of surreptitious downloads like the AOL Messaging; nor > > >will they end up using your personal data without your permission, as Real > > >was caught doing recently. > > > > Are you saying Micro$oft doesn't peek at your hard-drive to see what > > you have loaded and send that info back to Redmond? They've been > > caught doing this several times. Internet Explorer was *engineered* > > for this very purpose. In fact, users of IE are prone to all kinds > > of security breaches, viruses and other mayhem via ActiveX controls, > > serious program bugs and holes in the system. > > > > Just thought I had to set the record straight about this monopoly. > > > > - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 19:32:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25383; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:32:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:32:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01bf2bd9$9c354e60$b69c4e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: more toys / "individualizing" music Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:13:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"DTnhF.0.o_4.deWAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael wrote: >> ive spent years and >lots-o-money >> to do this sort of thing (kind of) and now anyone can jump on the >> bandwagon Don "Mango" wrote: >Advances in technology are are always a double (or triple, or more) edged >sword. While they can be used to produce previously impossible, inspired >works in the hands of talented artists, they also make it possible for >legions of people to create an endless supply of mediocre works. > >Which, in itself might produce another side effect; a quite desirable one >in my mind. With the means of artistic creation widely availabe, when the >average citizen is faced with the daunting task of separating the precious >wheat from the abundant chaff of other people's art, perhaps they will be >encouraged to produce their own art instead. These days, too much emphasis >is placed on the marketing and consumption of art, and too little emphasis >is placed on its creation - an equally important, or even more important >part of the equation, IMHO. These are some really good points. There's been a real overhaul of the entire music making process within the last 30 years. I for one think this is a good thing. Traditionally in the past if a person wanted to become a musician s/he would have to spend long hours of training learning to read and write music, as well as to develop a high level of proficiency on at least one instrument. It was customary that only after these goals were achieved would the musician begin to "compose" music, if that was the individual's desire. There was much hue and cry back in the late 60's and early 70's over the introduction of synthesizers. I recall reading shocked protests from orchestras and musician's unions who claimed that these new devices would make live music obsolete and would put professional musicians out of work. So far that hasn't really happened. But the gradual inclusion of electronic instruments into the musical mainstream has certainly enriched music as a whole. The "punk" revolution of the late 70's and early 80's, rebelling against the bloated self-importance that had developed within rock music, brought a great "do-it-yourself" ethos into popular music. This began with bands of musicians who had little to no musical training or technique, but had lots of spirit. I can't say I enjoyed all the music that came out of this movement, but I greatly appreciated the populist attitude behind it --- i.e., "Why shouldn't *I* be able to make music too?" This attitude also spread into the business and distribution end of music, spawning the rise of numerous "indie" labels, etc. Another good deal, IMO. Then in the 80's there was the rise of drum machines, sampling (coming out of "turntabling"), looping, etc. which were all natural lead-ins to Rap, Hip-Hop, etc. I admit I was somewhat appalled by the rather blatant "lifting" of bass lines, melodic hooks, etc. in this musical "mix and match." I'm still not entirely comfortable with the ethics of it. But I'm very impressed by how far the music has developed, considering once again the "do-it-yourself" mindframe. The same applies to DJs as composers. I think that the technology has really helped bring music-making to the people, not just to already trained/established musicians. I can understand why "musicians" would be threatened with new music-making technology. As in "It took a long time for me to learn my instrument, learn to read, learn theory, put this all together and make it work, etc. and now *anyone* can flip a few switches and do the same!" But I agree with Don, that anything which allows more people direct, hands-on access to music-making can't be too bad. In earlier (pre-electronic, pre-electric, pre-radio) times it was common for many households to have a piano, and for many people to have basic competence on it, enough to read and play sheet music to sing along to the "hits" of the day. Radio and television have made this formerly widespread talent nearly obsolete. Since there seems to be a universal, innate "need" for music in mankind, I welcome anything that makes music and music-making more available. As far as leading to much mediocrity, that's bound to happen. But I would argue that the satisfaction of "creating" even a mediocre piece of music is worthwhile. The value is in the "hands-on," "I did it myself" feeling that comes from any creative work. Who among us has never created something mediocre in our music-making? Do we have to create masterworks every time we pick up an instrument? How many times have we jammed with other musicians and had a great time, lots of fun, then listened to a tape of it afterwards and been amazed at how bad it sounded after the fact? I can appreciate the fact that musicians spend years training and perfecting their art. But I have a hard time dealing with the elitist attitude that "only musicians can make music." I know that Michael has a great sense of humor and that his comments were tongue-in-cheek. But I've had many experiences with "high culture" musicians snubbing "pop culture" musicians, and am riled by this disparity. I can only imagine how they'd deal with "non-musicians" making music. But I'm all for it. James Pokorny From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 20:01:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01472; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:01:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:01:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002601bf2bdf$a53d90c0$1b4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Mujedo, not Menudo! Sheesh! Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:56:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"L2DF02.0.up7.aFXAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> Or maybe Mujedo is supposed to be a parody? Seems to be >> too embarrassingly sincere to be the case, though. > >> >>http://www.waste.org/~crash/mujedo.html > >This is a great parody IMO. A bit close to the bone (hell-o bands that >act a bit too close to this) but it's obviously a joke (as though I need >to say that). Check out the names fer crissakes. too rich! I figured it had to be a parody - I mean, who could take themselves *that* seriously, besides Sting ;)? Mujedo contains every cliche in history's 'Rock Book of Poses(for posuers)'...phew. - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 21:33:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23829; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:33:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:33:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.18ad4ad2.255b82fc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:25:00 EST Subject: Re: more toys To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"BugTi2.0.3M5.7bYAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/10/99 3:53:42 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, pancoe@netaxs.com writes: << when the average citizen is faced with the daunting task of separating the precious wheat from the abundant chaff of other people's art, perhaps they will be encouraged to produce their own art instead. These days, too much emphasis is placed on the marketing and consumption of art, and too little emphasis is placed on its creation - >> eggxactly what i was thinking driving to work.......soon we will walk down the street with headphones on, blowing our brains out playing our wristwatches........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 21:27:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22475; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:27:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:27:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001001bf2bea$c218a580$cf6fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: "Loopers" Subject: boomerang?????? Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:16:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"6W-BN1.0.AE5.OXYAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com any word on the release date of the new boomerang???????? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 21:57:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29057; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:57:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:57:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: NoelG26@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b277cb49.255b88aa@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:49:14 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Akia=20Headrush:=20good=20or=20bad=3F=BF?= To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 17 Resent-Message-ID: <"BOy_g3.0.nn6.YxYAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey, i am concidering buying and akia headrush, but i hear they are not that great for jamming live with. is this true? thats somthing i would realy want out of my looper, so i can jam w/ it. also is there any news out on the new boomerang? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 10 23:37:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19776; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:37:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:37:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001401bf2bfd$7072b870$1703adce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: more toys / "individualizing" music Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:30:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"huPXQ.0.1K4.WNaAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com James' chronology of the events of the past 30 years is correct, and one that everyone involved in music should be familiar with. I usually boil down the modern "rock era" into four watershed epochs contributing to the DIY aesthetic: (much simplified, btw) 1957: 3-chord Rock and Roll & Rockabilly - Elvis & the rock pioneers 1967: the height of the singer-songwriter/Beatles era; electronics/ psychedelia 1977: Sex Pistols/Punk - the Death of Rock n Roll via Rock & Roll 1987: Post-punk fallout, affordable synths, Digital everything and the rise of Hip Hop, Rap, etc. The dates and specific genres to include may be debated, but basically this is it. Almost *anything* you can imagine creating within the context of the last 30-40 years of rock music (ambient is rock, btw) has been done before. If you go back a little further - to Dada, Futurism (the Art of Noises), the Situationists, etc... you'll realize that modern music is nothing more than the rehash of all the major art and/or literary movements that preceded it, only occasionally contemporaneous with each other. Another consequence of this trend was the disappearance of the avante-garde, i.e, no separation between High and Low art. But the increased fragmentation (or individualization) of music, and all arts and media generally, is symptomatic of the late-20th century trend towards de-massification overall. There is no longer a "mass market" in the sense that there was as recent as the 70's when there were only 3 TV stations (in the USA) and a handful of national magazines (Time, Life and Newsweek) force-feeding a "massified" agenda or worldview to the great unwashed. Now we have the Internet and the Web - which is the perfect technology to address and serve this highly fragmentated world. Sure, a lot of mediocre dreck will be produced, but that's beside the point (as James points out). The point of DIY is "doing it yourself" - everyone can be an Internet Troubadour and be heard. Anyone with a computer/connection can get into the game, express themselves, learn and interact with potentially millions of people, separated by thousands of miles. It's really unprecedented unless you compare it to Gutenburg's press and what it did for the codification and spread of knowledge. Regarding the "musician vs non-musician" issue, I think it was settled long ago. Eno is probably the most famous "non-musician" in the world and few would doubt his importance and lasting influence on music and other arts. IMO, "musician" is an increasingly specious term that smacks of music conservatory elitism. Completely irrelevant. - Larry >Michael wrote: >>> ive spent years and >>lots-o-money >>> to do this sort of thing (kind of) and now anyone can jump on the >>> bandwagon > >Don "Mango" wrote: >>Advances in technology are are always a double (or triple, or more) edged >>sword. While they can be used to produce previously impossible, inspired >>works in the hands of talented artists, they also make it possible for >>legions of people to create an endless supply of mediocre works. >> >>Which, in itself might produce another side effect; a quite desirable one >>in my mind. With the means of artistic creation widely availabe, when the >>average citizen is faced with the daunting task of separating the precious >>wheat from the abundant chaff of other people's art, perhaps they will be >>encouraged to produce their own art instead. These days, too much emphasis >>is placed on the marketing and consumption of art, and too little emphasis >>is placed on its creation - an equally important, or even more important >>part of the equation, IMHO. > > >These are some really good points. There's been a real overhaul of the >entire music making process within the last 30 years. I for one think this >is a good thing. Traditionally in the past if a person wanted to become a >musician s/he would have to spend long hours of training learning to read >and write music, as well as to develop a high level of proficiency on at >least one instrument. It was customary that only after these goals were >achieved would the musician begin to "compose" music, if that was the >individual's desire. > >There was much hue and cry back in the late 60's and early 70's over the >introduction of synthesizers. I recall reading shocked protests from >orchestras and musician's unions who claimed that these new devices would >make live music obsolete and would put professional musicians out of work. >So far that hasn't really happened. But the gradual inclusion of electronic >instruments into the musical mainstream has certainly enriched music as a >whole. > >The "punk" revolution of the late 70's and early 80's, rebelling against the >bloated self-importance that had developed within rock music, brought a >great "do-it-yourself" ethos into popular music. This began with bands of >musicians who had little to no musical training or technique, but had lots >of spirit. I can't say I enjoyed all the music that came out of this >movement, but I greatly appreciated the populist attitude behind it --- >i.e., "Why shouldn't *I* be able to make music too?" This attitude also >spread into the business and distribution end of music, spawning the rise of >numerous "indie" labels, etc. Another good deal, IMO. > >Then in the 80's there was the rise of drum machines, sampling (coming out >of "turntabling"), looping, etc. which were all natural lead-ins to Rap, >Hip-Hop, etc. I admit I was somewhat appalled by the rather blatant >"lifting" of bass lines, melodic hooks, etc. in this musical "mix and >match." I'm still not entirely comfortable with the ethics of it. But I'm >very impressed by how far the music has developed, considering once again >the "do-it-yourself" mindframe. The same applies to DJs as composers. I >think that the technology has really helped bring music-making to the >people, not just to already trained/established musicians. > >I can understand why "musicians" would be threatened with new music-making >technology. As in "It took a long time for me to learn my instrument, learn >to read, learn theory, put this all together and make it work, etc. and now >*anyone* can flip a few switches and do the same!" But I agree with Don, >that anything which allows more people direct, hands-on access to >music-making can't be too bad. In earlier (pre-electronic, pre-electric, >pre-radio) times it was common for many households to have a piano, and for >many people to have basic competence on it, enough to read and play sheet >music to sing along to the "hits" of the day. Radio and television have >made this formerly widespread talent nearly obsolete. Since there seems to >be a universal, innate "need" for music in mankind, I welcome anything that >makes music and music-making more available. > >As far as leading to much mediocrity, that's bound to happen. But I would >argue that the satisfaction of "creating" even a mediocre piece of music is >worthwhile. The value is in the "hands-on," "I did it myself" feeling that >comes from any creative work. Who among us has never created something >mediocre in our music-making? Do we have to create masterworks every time >we pick up an instrument? How many times have we jammed with other >musicians and had a great time, lots of fun, then listened to a tape of it >afterwards and been amazed at how bad it sounded after the fact? > >I can appreciate the fact that musicians spend years training and perfecting >their art. But I have a hard time dealing with the elitist attitude that >"only musicians can make music." I know that Michael has a great sense of >humor and that his comments were tongue-in-cheek. But I've had many >experiences with "high culture" musicians snubbing "pop culture" musicians, >and am riled by this disparity. I can only imagine how they'd deal with >"non-musicians" making music. But I'm all for it. > >James Pokorny > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 00:48:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06907; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:48:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:48:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382A5790.540693BE@hcis.net> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:43:44 -0600 From: James Devillez Reply-To: groundfloor@hcis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: ok Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ft8qh1.0.xK1.1TbAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i've just spent 3 minutes looping guitar on my edp feeding that into a vs-880ex.....that has kept me entranced for the last 15..never really heard the people you are talking about..certain they are good to those that like them..'scuce' the riff is running around again, gotta add something_____back into the shadows of the cyberfields again__________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 00:48:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06873; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:48:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:48:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991111053650.25214.rocketmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:36:50 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: er, zorn, bungle, derek bailey... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"tyZCF2.0.w31.bObAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Mike Biffle wrote: > This whole thread seems to have a general tone of > not liking the> I get a lot of > information from > recordings as much as the live "event". > the documented playing, but just don't need to > listen a whole lot > more... > But it's a real time phenomena and the document is > just a single > snapshot of a larger process. I saw the Peter Brotzmann Tentet perform a while back(this is loop-related because they had a trumpet player, Toshinoro Kondo, looping and making strange noises in the process) and it blew me away. I quickly bought a recording and even though most of it was recorded live (with several different versions of the same pieces) it really only serves, as you said, as a document. In fact, I might not have appreciated the recording much at all if I hadn't seen it live. That said though, I really get into Mr. Bungle's records and I've never seen them live. They edit and otherwise manipulate their stuff a lot though and work on making the recording pretty exciting, unlike Brotzmann, Bailey, and other improvisors who use the recording more like a document. So anyway, what I've found is that the "pure" approach works best live and the studio is good for tweaking so things sound good without that live improvisational element, which probably isn't capturable on record. I'm interested in how other people approach this. ---Ryan Novak ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 00:48:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06868; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:48:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:48:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991111053717.24623.rocketmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:37:17 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: er, zorn, bungle, bailey, brotzmann To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"35Cd43.0.y41.uObAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Mike Biffle wrote: > This whole thread seems to have a general tone of > not liking the> I get a lot of > information from > recordings as much as the live "event". > the documented playing, but just don't need to > listen a whole lot > more... > But it's a real time phenomena and the document is > just a single > snapshot of a larger process. I saw the Peter Brotzmann Tentet perform a while back(this is loop-related because they had a trumpet player, Toshinoro Kondo, looping and making strange noises in the process) and it blew me away. I quickly bought a recording and even though most of it was recorded live (with several different versions of the same pieces) it really only serves, as you said, as a document. In fact, I might not have appreciated the recording much at all if I hadn't seen it live. That said though, I really get into Mr. Bungle's records and I've never seen them live. They edit and otherwise manipulate their stuff a lot though and work on making the recording pretty exciting, unlike Brotzmann, Bailey, and other improvisors who use the recording more like a document. So anyway, what I've found is that the "pure" approach works best live and the studio is good for tweaking so things sound good without that live improvisational element, which probably isn't capturable on record. I'm interested in how other people approach this. ---Ryan Novak ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 01:05:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10889; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:05:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:05:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:58:47 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Bunglemania Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"zfuOj.0.IC2.mibAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Geez-Louise... I just got home a little while ago from seeing Mr. Bungle here in Maryland. It was an excellent show. There was no scent of pretentiousness or faux weirdness in the air, it was just good clean (somewhat bizarre) fun. If half the folks on this list who take themselves so damn seriously, endlessly discussing their gear actually got off of their asses, left the safety of their computer keyboards and actually went to see them, I think much joy would be had. Not only did I enjoy their music, but I felt that something was right for once in the world by seeing the place packed with 18-20-somethings totally engrossed in Bungle's non-mainstream little-if-any-radio-airplay show. As a musician, gig organizer/promoter, I have enough cynicizm for an army, but tonight was pure joy. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 01:49:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19761; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:49:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:49:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.ae88a03a.255bc015@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:45:41 EST Subject: Re: New Boomerang specs To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"MFMgl.0.Vc4.FPcAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a nutshell....could someone sum it up for me? I already have a JamDude and an EDP and a Boomerang! (Original) John Painter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 02:17:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25709; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:17:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:17:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382A6C54.17199CBE@dmans.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:12:20 -0600 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: boomerang?????? References: <001001bf2bea$c218a580$cf6fc8d0@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fCZqS2.0.6A6.iocAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How I hate to state dates, because they always come and go. However, I have actually had my hands on an alpha version of the software that has about 80% of the new features and it's very cool. The programmable decay rate makes the Rang an awesome digital delay; the slapback sound is marvelous. Also the setting with no decay at all is great for loopers. The sample rate has been increased from 16KHz to 24KHz. You can go from recording directly to playback and stack mode (adding extra parts). The stack button can be momentary (like now) or latching. We are also going to provide some different settings for half speed, i.e. it can be set to drop a major third or a major sixth as well as an octave. The main thing we're sorting out is the A/B loop capability. So... we think it will be complete before the end of the year. All owners of record will get a letter and/or an email. If you own a Rang and don't think we know about you please send your name, complete address, Rang serial number, when & where purchased, and how you first heard about the Rang. postaldave wrote: > any word on the release date of the new boomerang???????? -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 02:19:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26442; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:19:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:19:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382A6CBC.4A75DFDE@dmans.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:14:04 -0600 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Boomerang specs References: <0.ae88a03a.255bc015@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rlX6h.0.SD6.KqcAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com See the post titled: Re: boomerang?????? > In a nutshell....could someone sum it up for me? I already have a JamDude > and an EDP and a Boomerang! (Original) > John Painter -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 02:50:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00380; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:50:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:50:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382A6FD0.1510@dmans.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:27:12 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Line 6 web site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s6Q0k1.0.Zv6.e0dAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Have any of you loopers visited the Line 6 web site to check out the info on the soon to be released DL4 pedal. They used to describe the looping function as being modeled after the Boomerang, but have recently dropped that description. If you visited the sight and recall seeing this description please send me an email directly, not through Loopers Delight. If you have a cached copy of the web page I would love a copy. Please respond directly and not through Loopers Delight. Thanks. -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 08:39:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30134; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:39:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:39:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:31:42 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: tc electronic, mujedo, trenchant commentary Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Vy6e33.0.k17.lLiAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com re: tc electronic unit definetely post when that sucker is available, I'll likely have to pawn away my clothes to get one but I want it already. even if I have to perform nude or something, god forbid. re: mujedo they claim they are real, I am supposed to be getting a tape this week. I will mp3-it and post a soundfile once it arrives. re: evolution of music the "threat" of synthesizers and digital equipment to trained musicians who spent years honing their craft on traditional instruments has been a big issue off and on, but particularly in england in the musicians union. there was a big article on this in musician some years back, and zappa touched on this in his book when dealing with the lso. The interesting thing is that I read something recently where lots of trained orchestra players had a hidden interest in synths (this was in a Philip Glass interview of all things). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 08:52:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00580; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:52:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:52:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991111083549.00957be0@unix01.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@unix01.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:41:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Looper-s-Delight CD volume 1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"fwjx-3.0.4b7.wViAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I got mine. It's really nice listening, enjoyable and inspirational. I want to thank all the artists who contributed to the compilation. For anyone interested in checking it out go to this WEB address. I understand that proceeds help pay for the costs of running the Loppers-Delight mailing list and WEB site. So it's a win-win deal. http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/ldcd1.htm (I don't know why there's not an "l" at the end of the URL but it works) **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com **** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd ** http://www.studiodust.com palace://studiodust.com:9996 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 08:57:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01632; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:57:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:57:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382AC8B8.BEDC1CD8@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:46:32 -0500 From: Nikola Zwaan Reply-To: wb5150@earthlink.net Organization: Save the Smurfs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: For Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aGd-n1.0.mr7.7biAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm selling my beloved Oberheim EDP W/ EFC-7 footpedal for no apparent reason. The unit has Loop 3 5.0, and 16 MB of memory. It is in excellent condition, and has never left it's home in my studio. There is no set price as such; I'm taking offers. Private e-mails are most welcome. Thanks. Zwaan. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 09:33:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09696; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:33:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:33:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991111142235.32446.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.213] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: boomerang?????? Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 06:22:34 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"jwTC-3.0.Ku1.t5jAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com postaldave...Rick Lane is a friend of the guy that MAKES the Boomerang in Denton Texas...again 1 800 4337668 ex 27..... or search where ever you want. Om Om Om and Out Out Out >From: "postaldave" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "Loopers" >Subject: boomerang?????? >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:16:24 -0500 > >any word on the release date of the new boomerang???????? > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 10:32:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22935; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382ACC17.85379D45@cdm.sfai.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:00:58 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Organization: San Francisco Art Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: boomerang??????(midi dream) References: <001001bf2bea$c218a580$cf6fc8d0@computer> <382A6C54.17199CBE@dmans.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Resent-Message-ID: <"IqvWH.0.kT3.1ajAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh, if the boomerang could only sync via midi clock... my beautiful dream. -- Mark Sottilaro | Center for Digital Media Multimedia Specialist | San Francisco Art Institute mark@cdm.sfai.edu | San Francisco, California (415) 771-7020 ext. 4411 | 94133 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 10:47:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26748; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:47:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:47:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382B0A38.F5C1D374@node.net> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:26:00 -0800 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: the raw and the shrunk References: <199911110515.AAA28479@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yUu5K.0.OE5.J_jAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com robbo rote: > more to the point, > how do you compress an aiff-file? i (a confessed windozer) didn't know this was possible. > > thanks, > robbo ay, yo, wake the f^&? up, bruh...join "the rest of us" and, thereafter, download the Mac-OS exclusive ConvertMachine, last updated in May 1997, thank you very much; how's that for curves and staying ahead of them? http://www.kagi.com/rod/convertmachine/cmdefault.html. As to your benighted platform, my recommendations are unsuitable for such a family-oriented mailing list, but perhaps shrinking aiffs down to size is low on you list of concerns... ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < _________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 11:13:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00559; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:13:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:13:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: tc electronic, mujedo, trenchant commentary Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:55:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"3cLDk2.0.167.rSkAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LOL Like people are actually pay to see you playing nude! Mmm... What if you add a couple of nude girls dancing? I'd go. | -----Original Message----- | From: crash@waste.org [mailto:crash@waste.org] | Sent: Thursday 11 November 1999 5:32 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: tc electronic, mujedo, trenchant commentary | | | re: tc electronic unit | definetely post when that sucker is available, I'll likely have to pawn | away my clothes to get one but I want it already. even if I have to | perform nude or something, god forbid. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 11:21:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02799; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:21:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:21:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:15:59 -0600 Subject: Re: Akia Headrush: good or bad?=?ISO-8859-1?B?vw==?= From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.b277cb49.255b88aa@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id LAA01595 Resent-Message-ID: <"omlgt.0.DP.RlkAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's not an easy answer to that. If you're looking to use the Headrush to lock in rhythmically with other musicians, it can be difficult. No-one is perfect with tap tempo delay input, and being off by, say, two milliseconds on the first repetition of a four second phrase puts you 30 milliseconds off by the end of the first minute. For most musics, this is unacceptable. The Headrush, or any other tap tempo delay, follows its own clock, so the rest of the band needs to folow its tempo if your looking for everyone to sync up. This is difficult at best, since the rest of the band probably can't hear the Headrush well enough to follow it, and don't be surprised if you encounter resentment at the suggestion. If you're just looking to add non-sync'ed loopiness, it's pretty good. If you're playing in smaller ensembles, particularly those without drums or percussion, the sync issue is easier to deal with. If you're doing solo shows, using the Headrush to accompany yourself, it can be very workable, but it has a few limitations. Once you define your initial loop (tap, play, second tap), you can overdub on top of that, but the regeneration rate in the looper mode is undadjustable and set quite high, so things get thick and busy pretty quickly. You can erase ALL of the overdubs and go back to the origianal loop, but it can sound a bit jarring. If you're using a mixer, you can send the Headrush to another channel and mute the input while in overdub mode and it'll gradually fade out. I use the Headrush for solo shows with an acoustic, and it works pretty well for that, except for the "ever-additive" nature of the loops. All in all, I lean more towards the Boomerang in those situations. Nicer (and quieter) switches, much longer delay time, can mutate the loop content through overdubbing, foot-adjustable volume control. TH > From: NoelG26@aol.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:49:14 -0500 (EST) > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Akia Headrush: good or bad?¿ > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:51:51 -0500 > > hey, > i am concidering buying and akia headrush, but i hear they are not that great > for jamming live with. is this true? thats somthing i would realy want out of > my looper, so i can jam w/ it. also is there any news out on the new > boomerang? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 11:40:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06942; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:40:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:40:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:18:46 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ryan_novak@yahoo.com Subject: Re: er, zorn, bungle, bailey, brotzmann Resent-Message-ID: <"xNEuy1.0.be.yokAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > That said though, I really get into Mr. Bungle's records and I've never seen them live. They edit and otherwise manipulate their stuff a lot though and work on making the recording pretty exciting, unlike Brotzmann, Bailey, and other improvisors who use the recording more like a document. I was surprised to find that they executed many of the bizarre dynamic, melodic, and rythymic flash cuts from their recordings with as much or more effect live. With a super loud top volume their dynamics were quite visceral... and scary. Patton and co. lull you with some lush vocal harmony and then sledgehammer you with brutal ring modulated shrieking and shred metal guitar and synth noise... They're the best I've ever seen at that level of integration. > So anyway, what I've found is that the "pure" approach works best live and the studio is good for tweaking so things sound good without that live improvisational element, which probably isn't capturable on record. I'm interested in how other people approach this. Like I said earlier... Bungle's records, while interesting, aren't quite the experience of them live. And they definitely push the limits of what transfers from the studio to the stage. Miles Davis and Teo Macero did a pretty nice job of taking live moments and "studioizing" them. Fred Frith is another who seems to capture his live "spirit" on tape fairly well. Guitar Solos is a walk on the razors edge... Nels Cline Trio is also quite a ride... It's surprising how much interplay there is in that ensemble and how well it translates to a studio document. I'd love to see them live... They do some pretty radical flash-cut transitions live as well... Also... is anybody else thinking that Bill Frissells laid back stuff just ain't getting there anymore? (Just an opinion... to his credit, he's still throwing loops out there. 8-b) Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 11:41:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07617; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:41:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:41:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:23:02 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Bunglemania Resent-Message-ID: <"Uoy9c3.0.bp.CtkAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Adam Levin wrote... > ... Not only did I enjoy their music, but I felt that something was right for once in the world by seeing the place packed with 18-20-somethings totally engrossed in Bungle's non-mainstream little-if-any-radio-airplay show. Come to think of it, I felt exactly the same way. It was exhilarating to see so many happy young people and realize how radical the music was. The in between set music at the show I saw was very cheesy lounge versions with a gen-x slacker parody doing the worst hits from all popular genres. Lots of people in the audience singing along. Anyone know who this was? Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 14:48:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20750; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:48:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:48:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <6172B1AC5DDCD011BD8A00805FFED557022BB56A@xch-rtn-16.ca.boeing.com> From: "EXT-Lipinski, David M" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Digitech PMC-10 Foot Controller & Programmer Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:23:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"9bJgW3.0.NS3.7VnAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Anyone interested in buying Digitech PMC-10 Foot Controller & Programmer unit. Works perfectly. Programmer unit, wall-wart, and original manual included. 4 Yrs old - $150. (Seattle, Washington area.) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 18:08:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04498; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:08:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:08:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382B4741.16ED4F10@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:46:25 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: midi controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"I5IzD.0.TW7.6PqAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what I need is a box with 20 buttons on it for program changes 1-20 for my Jamman. Any suggestions? tia, jd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 18:40:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12207; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:40:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:40:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991111171027.00a91650@pilgrim.cisco.com> X-Sender: joelong@pilgrim.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:22:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Joseph C. Long" Subject: Recomended Looping Device Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"86GNM3.0.9c6.I7qAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com O.k I'm new to the list and somewhat new to looping. But I'm looking to purchase a looping device for playing guitar, mostly acoustic. After lots of reading and research I guess the most obvious choices would be the Akai Headrush, or the Boomerang. I've read some of the threads going back and forth concerning specific features. So I guess my question is: Is there one obvious choice? Is there another option I'm not looking at? ..And lastly what are my odds on finding a JamMan? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe Long joelong@cisco.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 19:29:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23142; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:29:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:29:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <0.bdc8d76.255cae5b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:42:19 EST Subject: Re: Recomended Looping Device To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"PhaM43.0.H53.cIrAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com finding a jamman at a reasonable price these days seems remote. if money is no object you can "have" mine for $4,000 dollars. i will even pay for shipping! =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 19:50:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27713; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:50:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:50:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:32:07 -0600 Subject: Re: Recomended Looping Device From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991111171027.00a91650@pilgrim.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id SAA10442 Resent-Message-ID: <"MH_fQ1.0.gZ2.k8rAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com € Odds of finding a JamMan Pretty good on eBay, but expect to pay $500-700. Having used the both the Headrush and the Boomerang for looping acoustic guitar, I'd probably lean towards the Boomerang. They've each got their pros and cons, but here are some things to consider: Headrush (in looping mode): Pros: CD-spec sound quality, small footprint, allows you to undo all overdubs after the initial loop, cheapest looping device available Cons: feedback level not adjustable (and set rather high), no easy way to adjust volume level with your foot, 11.5 sec max looping time (with overdubs) Boomerang Pros: 2 minutes looping time in high-resolution mode, 4 minutes in low, quiet footswitches (acoustically quiet--important with acoustic guitar, even amplified), backwards and half-speed feature, roller volume control designed for foot control Cons: feedback level not adjustable (although doesn't seem set as high as the Headrush), you have to hold the overdub switch down (doesn't latch), larger footprint, more expensive than Headrush, lower sampling rate (32kHz [as I recall], although I've found no issue with it in live settings) TH > From: "Joseph C. Long" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:22:14 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Recomended Looping Device > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:51:17 -0500 > > O.k I'm new to the list and somewhat new to looping. But I'm looking to > purchase a looping device for playing guitar, mostly acoustic. After lots of > reading and research I guess the most obvious choices would be the Akai > Headrush, or the Boomerang. I've read some of the threads going back and forth > concerning specific features. So I guess my question is: Is there one obvious > choice? Is there another option I'm not looking at? ..And lastly what are my > odds on finding a JamMan? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Joe Long > joelong@cisco.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 19:57:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29156; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:57:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:57:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991111235943.4306.rocketmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:59:43 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: er, zorn, bungle, bailey, brotzmann To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"dx0EY3.0.o-3.8YrAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Mike Biffle wrote: > Fred Frith is another who seems to capture his live > "spirit" on tape > fairly well. Guitar Solos is a walk on the razors > edge... Guitar Solos is still more like a document though (I'm going with the idea of a document being just a "straight" recording), it's just that he's so good it is excellent on its own. And I know he pays attention to how it sounds while performing and not just how it looks, even with all the towels flopping and alligator clips flying and what not. > Nels Cline Trio is also quite a ride... It's > surprising how much > interplay there is in that ensemble and how well it > translates to a > studio document. I'd love to see them live... They > do some pretty > radical flash-cut transitions live as well... I've been hearing a lot about that lately, I'll have to check them out soon. I heard a part of the Coltrane- Ali tribute, guitar and drum duo thing he did and liked it quite a bit. Sounds like it's definitely something I'd be into from your description. Thanks. ---Ryan ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 22:11:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01584; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:11:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:11:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991112024946.35774.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: "individualizing" music Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:49:46 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"4_NvJ2.0.xs6.K2uAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: "L Tremblay" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: more toys / "individualizing" music >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:30:08 -0500 > >James' chronology of the events of the past 30 years is correct, >and one that everyone involved in music should be familiar with. > >I usually boil down the modern "rock era" into four watershed >epochs contributing to the DIY aesthetic: (much simplified, btw) > >1957: 3-chord Rock and Roll & Rockabilly - Elvis & the rock pioneers > >1967: the height of the singer-songwriter/Beatles era; electronics/ > psychedelia > >1977: Sex Pistols/Punk - the Death of Rock n Roll via Rock & Roll > >1987: Post-punk fallout, affordable synths, Digital everything and > the rise of Hip Hop, Rap, etc. > I'd probably add another, more recent event to this continuum. That would be the rise of grunge bands and of the rise of "alternative" as a music genre. Although it's been my belief that these events were initiated by major record labels to make a then teen-aged Generation X believe that they were listening to something other than corporate rock, I think this unwittingly created the spark that led to the crazy fragmentation of music and the rise of so many independent record labels that followed in this decade. If you compare the music of Pearl Jam and Nirvana to the music of the metal hair bands of the 80's, you can notice that aspiring musicians now have much easier role models to imitate. All you needed to be a musician now was minimal musical skill and the drive to do it. Before, it seemed that you had to have lots of money (for recording studios and stage fireworks), have been specifically bred for your instrument (having especially long, quick supple fingers), and guitarists had to have an astoundingly high A.P.S. (arpeggios per second) rate. The whole fact that there was now a genre of music called "alternative" was also particularly inspiring, although not for the reason people often suspect. As us gen-x-ers began to develop musically, it became increasingly cool to say, "Alternative my ass! It's still corporate rock!" Thus the newfound energy towards indie and DIY record labels. At the same time this was happening in the rock world, there was the whole rave music thing going to too. I think the ravers beat the rockers for being home musicians in the 90's. Lots of the huge rave hit songs (like "Speed Racer") were made by kids in their bedrooms with now-affordable drum machines, looping machines, and 4-tracks. I guess that's what you're talking about as what happened in 1987. These guys also worked against the norm of "album oriented music", as they often created one really successful song, then disappeared into obscurity. It would be also worth mentioning the mid 90's phenomenon of DJ albums (without rapping) becoming really popular, both corporately and locally. Oh, and also blah blah blah. I'm sorry that I wrote such an extensive essay about things that everybody probably knows already. Uh.......I did some looping today too. Mr. Tough ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 11 22:55:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14461; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:55:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:55:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <0.77fd17cb.255ce670@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:41:36 EST Subject: Filters...........OT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 218 Resent-Message-ID: <"5HGYW2.0.Cd2.iouAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com im looking to get a good performance oriented filter so far i have my eye on the electrix filter factory and the kaos pad i also remember peavey making one(what the name was i dont remember) and waldorf anybody have any of these? any recommendations etc........ rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 00:34:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09484; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:34:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:34:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01bf2cce$68d15e60$8a4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: "individualizing" music Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:26:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"F00T32.0.i11.sHwAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'd probably add another, more recent event to this continuum. That would be >the rise of grunge bands and of the rise of "alternative" as a music genre. >Although it's been my belief that these events were initiated by major >record labels to make a then teen-aged Generation X believe that they were >listening to something other than corporate rock, I think this unwittingly >created the spark that led to the crazy fragmentation of music and the rise >of so many independent record labels that followed in this decade. I consider the Grunge trend an outgrowth of '77 Punk, which btw is pretty well-documented in the documentary "The Year Punk Broke", featuring Sonic Youth and Nirvana on tour. It took Amerika 10-15 years to really "get it". Originally, in the early-80's the term "alternative" was used to signify anything outside the mainstream in the years that followed Punk - bands like REM, and basically anything played on College, released independently, or "underground". In the 90's the corporates saw a chance to capitalize on the "alternative" label/genre - which by this time was a sort of "farm team" for the Majors. "Alternative" - by definition, meant an alternative to the Majors. Of course, using the term today begs the question "Alternative to what?" Ironically, "alternative" is no longer alternative. It's the status quo... > All you needed to be a musician now was >minimal musical skill and the drive to do it. Before, it seemed that you had >to have lots of money (for recording studios and stage fireworks), have been >specifically bred for your instrument (having especially long, quick supple >fingers), and guitarists had to have an astoundingly high A.P.S. (arpeggios >per second) rate. Um, yeah..that was the whole point of Punk in the 70's - "Anybody can do it". This is why I say Grunge was a belated American reaction to Punk, which was now safely dead and buried - not a threat anymore - and easy to market to a generation of kids who missed it the first time around... >At the same time this was happening in the rock world, there was the whole >rave music thing going to too. I think the ravers beat the rockers for being >home musicians in the 90's. Lots of the huge rave hit songs (like "Speed >Racer") were made by kids in their bedrooms with now-affordable drum >machines, looping machines, and 4-tracks. I guess that's what you're talking >about as what happened in 1987. Well, affordable home recording has been around for a long time. Bedroom hits and mixdowns have been a big part of indie Rock and Rap culture since the early 80's...nothing new here. >These guys also worked against the norm of >"album oriented music", as they often created one really successful song, >then disappeared into obscurity. As did the post-punk bands of the indie 80's...They ones who paved the way for 90's X-ers. >It would be also worth mentioning the mid >90's phenomenon of DJ albums (without rapping) becoming really popular, both >corporately and locally. Probably worth mentioning, but it's too early to tell whether it'll amount anything more than all the rehash party mixes that were assembled in the 70's during Disco (which went underground and came back in the 90's as Techno, I suppose). Sorry to be a know-it-all, but I know this stuff cuz I'm an amatuer musicologist. LOOPING CONTENT: Has anyone used two DOD DFX 94's in their set-ups? I've had one of these forever and recently aquired another. I use the 94's for "loop practice" because they're so small and easy to set-up. It's simple and a lot of fun when I don't feel like firing up my whole rig. - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 00:57:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14425; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:57:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:57:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991112055004.29310.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.181.93.66] From: "g716" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Midi Foot Pedal For Auction Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:52:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"84vcl.0.M63.3hwAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Looper's Delight Special: If you're a LD lister or lurker and you win the bidding, I'll knock $10 bucks off the price! Digital Music Corp.'s Ground Control foot pedal as used by our very own LD member Dave Eichenberger http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave/devices3.htm The auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=199083506 The manufacturer: http://www.voodoolab.com/gcsystem.html The rub: Yer basic patch changer with alpha read-out and 2 (yes 2) 1/4" jacks that convert the cheapest of volume pedals into little wonder MIDI CC devices. And if that's not loop related enough, how about this: "Boycott Mr. Bungle and his Elixer strings!" Just kidding. I have no idea what kind of strings he uses and why anybody would want to boycott him. -G From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 01:53:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25260; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:53:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:53:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991112064852.4999.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: "individualizing" music Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:48:52 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"3GIhf1.0.946.AYxAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >I consider the Grunge trend an outgrowth of '77 Punk, which btw is pretty >well-documented in the documentary "The Year Punk Broke", featuring Sonic >Youth and Nirvana on tour. It took Amerika 10-15 years to really "get it". You're right. There are a lot of similarities between the punk movement and the whole early 90's "alternative" thing (including the rave movement). It's kind of like "punk for a new generation" becuase a sizeable chunk of people putting out music now were too young to have been influenced by punk as it happened. I was 2. 30 year old musicians today were 9. 20 year old musicians today were -3. A lot of us didn't know about punk until the whole "alternative" craze was subsiding. I have to admit I'm guilty of making generalizations when it comes to these things. Oh well, sorry about that, but I believe that a lot us needed that second "punk" movement. Mr. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 03:07:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09473; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:07:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:07:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382BCADF.D167A5CA@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:08:28 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Filters...........OT References: <0.77fd17cb.255ce670@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8Lwer3.0.j62.acyAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kriist@aol.com wrote: > im looking to get a good performance oriented filter > so far i have my eye on the electrix filter factory and the kaos pad > i also remember peavey making one(what the name was i dont remember) > and waldorf > > anybody have any of these? > any recommendations etc........ just one to add to the list: b. moog's moogerfooger lowpass filter. info can be had at http://www.bigbriar.com/ waldorf stuff may be viewed at http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/4pole/4pole.html lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 03:20:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11968; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:20:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:20:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: tcweller@lucid.spiraco.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <382BCADF.D167A5CA@earthlink.net> References: <0.77fd17cb.255ce670@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 02:14:27 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Travis Weller Subject: Re: Filters...........OT Resent-Message-ID: <"-6-F31.0.qe2.9oyAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> im looking to get a good performance oriented filter >> so far i have my eye on the electrix filter factory and the kaos pad >> i also remember peavey making one(what the name was i dont remember) >> and waldorf >> >> anybody have any of these? >> any recommendations etc........ the sherman filterbank great little box. don't know what i'd do without it. -travis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 03:38:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15604; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:38:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:38:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911120831.AAA15114@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:34:59 -0700 Subject: FW: er, zorn From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VKlgM2.0.SP3.c1zAu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---------- From: "Stan Card" To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Subject: Re: er, zorn Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999, 12:18 AM I have all the 'Naked City' albums and I think they are brilliant! I saw that album tour and it smoked and killed-and here's the connection-instead of his usual looper the PDS 8000, Frisell was using 19.2 sec.maxed out Lexicon PCM 42 so he was still doing those speed-ups and slowdowns w/ his loops and needless to say it was simply brilliant-I wish that band could get back together 'cause I never hear Frisell play w/ such abandon and 'rockosity'(?).The PCM 42 w/19.2 sec.looping time will always be my favorite looper-forever!!!...deepinthereverbtank...stanner... ---------- >From: lance glover >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: er, zorn >Date: Tue, Nov 9, 1999, 6:31 PM > > > Tim Nelson wrote: > >> Regarding Zorn, has anyone else noticed that while much of his stuff is >> indeed obnoxious, some of it is absolutely brilliant and tasteful. But I >> find this inconsistency really steers me away from purchasing his CD's >> because they're such a crap-shoot, sometimes literally. > > well, i have one john zorn cd: naked city, circa '89, and while the bulk of > the material is *difficult* listening (ask my partner), i find that there > are several tracks which i keep going back to; these are mainly frisell / > horvitz / frith excursions and i do believe i've not heard anything like > them, anywhere. though i too have shied away from other zorn work, perhaps > unfairly (so much music, so little time)... > > lance g. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 06:16:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10053; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:16:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:16:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <382BF0B4.51B94D84@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:49:24 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: er, zorn, bungle, bailey, brotzmann References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fFHGc1.0.ZD2.zN_Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well i agree with the concept that a studio recording is an entirely different beast from a live concert. i often enjoy freak schtuff (e.g. free jazz, experimental electronics) much more in concert than a "document" of the same. i would add another band to the list that really has it down in terms of being able to rock in concert while still putting out great studio recordings: MOUSE ON MARS yes they LOOP - although not with "loopers" per se, but with sequencer-samplers. they're very inventive and have a subtle sense of humour. live they add a drummer to the melange and man does that motherf*#ker rock! in concert you've got to go for the throat a little more - someone should tell this to tortoise! tortoise are an example of a band who can replicate their studio recordings perfectly on stage - but with no fun. they're just way too careful. concerning other points: - fred frith's guitar quartet is also great live - bill frisell is really rockin - his chair that is - his new material has lost its relevancy for me - as a non-american, i really can't stand all this "americana" schtick - a little too sentimental and nostalgic for my taste - all that negativity said, we're all allowed to change course blather, blather: rob Mike Biffle schrieb: > > That said though, I really get into Mr. Bungle's records and I've > never seen them live. They edit and otherwise manipulate their stuff > a lot though and work on making the recording pretty exciting, unlike > Brotzmann, Bailey, and other improvisors who use the recording more > like a document. > > I was surprised to find that they executed many of the bizarre > dynamic, melodic, and rythymic flash cuts from their recordings with > as much or more effect live. With a super loud top volume their > dynamics were quite visceral... and scary. Patton and co. lull you > with some lush vocal harmony and then sledgehammer you with brutal > ring modulated shrieking and shred metal guitar and synth noise... > They're the best I've ever seen at that level of integration. > > > So anyway, what I've found is that the "pure" approach works best > live and the studio is good for tweaking so things sound good without > that live improvisational element, which > probably isn't capturable on record. I'm interested in how other > people approach this. > > Like I said earlier... Bungle's records, while interesting, aren't > quite the experience of them live. And they definitely push the limits > of what transfers from the studio to the stage. > > Miles Davis and Teo Macero did a pretty nice job of taking live > moments and "studioizing" them. > > Fred Frith is another who seems to capture his live "spirit" on tape > fairly well. Guitar Solos is a walk on the razors edge... > > Nels Cline Trio is also quite a ride... It's surprising how much > interplay there is in that ensemble and how well it translates to a > studio document. I'd love to see them live... They do some pretty > radical flash-cut transitions live as well... > > Also... is anybody else thinking that Bill Frissells laid back stuff > just ain't getting there anymore? (Just an opinion... to his credit, > he's still throwing loops out there. 8-b) > > Best Regards, > Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com > "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 06:16:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10054; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:16:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:16:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <382BF4C7.910EDA88@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:06:47 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: the raw and the shrunk References: <199911110515.AAA28479@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <382B0A38.F5C1D374@node.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6MEwj1.0.1E2.6O_Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hav yu gon dun it agin? yuse jus pickin on po ol me bekaos i no got wun-a-dem makappul thingees. i'm stikkin wit the windoze - i dun need no makappul. an dunt yu tuch ma dawter - if ya doo i'll hav ta shoot ya! familee valoos! in other words: hey dude, do you think i'm going to convert my machine just for aiffs? mp3's will do fine .... thanks anyway, robbo James Keepnews schrieb: > robbo rote: > > > more to the point, > > how do you compress an aiff-file? i (a confessed windozer) didn't know this was possible. > > > > thanks, > > robbo > > ay, yo, wake the f^&? up, bruh...join "the rest of us" and, thereafter, download the Mac-OS exclusive ConvertMachine, last updated in May 1997, thank you very much; how's that for curves and staying ahead of them? http://www.kagi.com/rod/convertmachine/cmdefault.html. As to your benighted platform, my recommendations are unsuitable for such a family-oriented mailing > list, but perhaps shrinking aiffs down to size is low on you list of concerns... > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" > (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < > \ * -- Krishnamurti > - > - keepnews@node.net - < > _________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 06:24:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11852; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:24:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:24:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <382BCADF.D167A5CA@earthlink.net> <0.77fd17cb.255ce670@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:13:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Filters...........OT Resent-Message-ID: <"q996m2.0.aV2.ET_Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> im looking to get a good performance oriented filter >>> so far i have my eye on the electrix filter factory and the kaos pad >>> i also remember peavey making one(what the name was i dont remember) >>> and waldorf >>> >>> anybody have any of these? >>> any recommendations etc........ > >the sherman filterbank > > > >great little box. don't know what i'd do without it. > >-travis I'll second that... Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 06:28:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12360; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:28:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:28:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <0.647e71e4.255d52d0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:24:00 EST Subject: Re: FW: er, zorn To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"KLS3U1.0.mv2.nZ_Au"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com actually you can do the speed up thing with the pds 8000 too. bill does this on his video. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 07:13:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20170; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:13:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:13:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382C0C3D.CD14DB94@tstar.net> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:46:55 -0600 From: Matthew Turner Reply-To: gturner@tstar.net Organization: Item Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: da pds 8000 References: <0.647e71e4.255d52d0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WRjAx.0.Wq4.QD0Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a couple of pds-8000's and they're both broken... Is it hard to find someone to fix them? I love them so. I haven't tried to get them fixed yet and I was just wondering if I'm going to have to go to Cuba or something. Tanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 09:10:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09914; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:10:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:10:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:01:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911121401.JAA05829@dot.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"zRCQE1.0.o02.8t1Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #138 November 11, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the DiN label. I spoke to Ian Boddy about his label and played that interview at the top of the show. The feature CD at midnight was "Distant Rituals" by Ian Boddy and Markus Reuter. DiN : http://www.DiN.org.uk EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Ian Boddy Interview with music underscore from Arc (Ian & Mark Shreeve) Arc Steam Octane (Something Else) Arc Who Walks Behind You * Octane (Something Else) VA [Nautilus] Deep Earth Sequences #22 (none) Dave Fulton Small Particles Hard Particles (Eurock) Jiannis & Lambert Secrets of the Night Timeless Vision (Spheric) MinistryOfInsideThings Edge of the Wilderness Live at the ICA (Synkronos) Synthetic Block Trylon The Opposite of Staring into Space (Ironing Board) VA [Protogonos] Moceans of Time Mind Out (Wandering Aimlessly) 12:00 am I. Boddy & M. Reuter A Beginning in Light Distant Rituals (DiN) I. Boddy & M. Reuter Within the Space Distant Rituals (DiN) Between Things I. Boddy & M. Reuter Trace the Memory Distant Rituals (DiN) I. Boddy & M. Reuter Distant Rituals Distant Rituals (DiN) I. Boddy & M. Reuter Presentation of an Distant Rituals (DiN) Offering I. Boddy & M. Reuter Voices of Doubt Distant Rituals (DiN) I. Boddy & M. Reuter A Delicate Re-enactment Distant Rituals (DiN) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on British synthesist Ian Boddy's new label, DiN. The Feature CD at Midnight will be "Strange Geographie" by Protogonos. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 09:49:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18182; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:49:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:49:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009701bf2d17$f4fbbea0$19ffdcd1@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Filters...........OT Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:12:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"B5m151.0.uU2.S12Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Waldorf 4-pole is a wonderful little thing . . . turns completely innocent sounds and crappy drum beats into monsters--20 user defineable presets Waldorf site has more info--posted earlier drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Kriist@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 10:25 PM Subject: Filters...........OT >im looking to get a good performance oriented filter >so far i have my eye on the electrix filter factory and the kaos pad >i also remember peavey making one(what the name was i dont remember) >and waldorf > >anybody have any of these? >any recommendations etc........ > >rodrigo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 10:50:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31631; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:50:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:50:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911121513.KAA23811@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:43:00 +0530 Subject: Korg AX1000G guitar fx with 8 sec looper From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ipBQ01.0.lq5.uw2Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Korg's AX1000G guitar multi-fx pedal board has an 8 second looper : $ 279.99 at SAMPLE AND PLAY FUNCTION rew Using the Sample and Play function, you can play and record a phrase of up to 8 seconds and then play it back. Then you can play along with the recorded phrase. By using features like reverse playback with variable speed and many others, you can even produce special effects such as "scratch" or looping. This in addition to the 16 second "Phrase Trainer" that u can use to record stuff using the aux input. http://www.korg.com/ax1000g.htm - Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 11:03:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02773; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:03:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:03:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991112154644.27261.rocketmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:46:44 -0800 (PST) From: M T Reply-To: m1cha3l@earthlink.net Subject: Re: OT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"qw0uc2.0.vg7.BR3Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I got scolded for talking about strings, before, but it seems that strings are more relevant to looping than Mr. Bungle and these history of rock and roll posts.... just a thought. Not trying to get anybody mad. MT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 12:01:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15377; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:01:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:01:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012F2481B420D211BE5A00A0C9CDAFBA020F91CB@il0015exch006u.ih.lucent.com> From: "Weideman, Gary L (Gary)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: JamMan offer revised Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:30:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"0VlWp2.0.t32.H34Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Patrick I wasn't sure if you saw my original post about trading a Roland GR-30 or not. Would be interested in a trade of sorts for your JamMan you have for sale ?? Thanks Gary Weideman From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 13:47:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08595; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:47:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:47:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911121825.KAA20472@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:28:22 -0700 Subject: Re: er, zorn From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fvR7b2.0.Zo.qk5Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Cool vid. Yeah,I do too and w/ the EH 16 sec. which is also in my selection/collection..stanner... ---------- >From: PJBMHB@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: FW: er, zorn >Date: Fri, Nov 12, 1999, 4:24 AM > > actually you can do the speed up thing with the pds 8000 too. bill does this > on his video. =-) PJ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 13:44:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08154; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:44:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:44:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991112123120.007c9c40@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:31:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Bungle is relevant Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"uzm7x3.0.SE1.Fr5Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, all... I do think that talking (be it good or bad talk...) about Mr. Bungle is relevant in this forum. Not only do they incorporate sampling and looping in their music--but they are a band that is decidedly non-conformist and non-commercial (whether you like them or not). I think that many people here would agree that the boundaries of music need to be pushed--and obviously many here like to discuss that. Just my thoughts, Jeff McLeod >Well, I got scolded for talking about strings, before, but it seems that >strings are more relevant to looping than Mr. Bungle and these history of rock >and roll posts.... > >just a thought. Not trying to get anybody mad. > >MT __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 13:44:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08124; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:44:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:44:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: bedwellm@WellsFargo.COM Message-ID: <5BA4EAE4ACF6D211BC540001FA7EB196D0C850@xcem-casfo-11.wellsfargo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Learning to read. Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:33:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"7GWQg.0.PH1.Zs5Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com THE Tara Key! Wow. Micah > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Card [SMTP:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 1:19 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Learning to read. > > i wanna B your boyfriend,girlfriend... > > ---------- > >From: Tara Key > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: Learning to read. > >Date: Sun, Oct 31, 1999, 10:59 AM > > > > > I have been holding my tongue because I absolutely hate discussions > based > > on gender (seeing as for 20+ years of performing I have had to address > it > > SO many times). > > Suffice it to say that I, a female (also a guitar player, pinball freak, > > painter and any other thing that describes me IN PART) am on the list as > I > > have been for a while. I have gotten much, much, much out of the list, > but > > by nature I am not talking at the party, but lurking. This has nothing > to > > do with being female. Don't worry boys, until you get stuck on the stuff > > like masturbatory music being guy-centric (not, not true---a) girls DO > IT > > TOO), the list is always informative and entertaining. Hell, seeing some > > of you boys get all het up about this is sorta entertaining as well! And > > as I get older and poorer and retreat to my home studio more and more, I > > find myself being able to talk tech with the best of ya'll. It has > nothing > > to do with being a girl...I have been shooting it with the boys at the > > guitar store since I was barely able to play. > > Yanked out of lurk mode (amusedly), > > Tara Key > > Antietam > > shamelessly promoting Rick Rizzo/Tara Key "Dark Edson Tiger" (mucho > > loop-centric instrumental disc) due Jan 2000 on Thrill Jockey > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 13:59:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11977; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:59:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:59:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FDC8@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: er, zorn, bungle, bailey, brotzmann Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:54:04 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"lGoiB.0.Ae2.1A6Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Miko said: Like I said earlier... Bungle's records, while interesting, aren't quite the experience of them live. And they definitely push the limits of what transfers from the studio to the stage. ** i pretty much view bungle as a non-improvising "rock" band . . . even though there are some master improvisors in the band. improv doesn't strike me as being the "artistic intent" that they're operating out of. more Miko: Nels Cline Trio is also quite a ride... It's surprising how much interplay there is in that ensemble and how well it translates to a studio document. I'd love to see them live... They do some pretty radical flash-cut transitions live as well... + Ryan said: I've been hearing a lot about that lately, I'll have to check them out soon. I heard a part of the Coltrane- Ali tribute, guitar and drum duo thing he did and liked it quite a bit. Sounds like it's definitely something I'd be into from your description. Thanks. ** i don't think that you'll be seeing too much of the nct for a long while. the band (as far as i know, and i don't "speak for nels") is no longer extant. he has been doing a band called "destroy all nels cline" and another call "scarnella" (duo with carla from the geraldine fibbers) as well as a sometimes improvising collective called "stinkbug" (of which i'm a member). nels has been doing a lot of different stuff, check him out he's really a great guitarist and uses the eh-16 well in the looping realm (topical!). the intersteller space thing with gregg bendian is pretty cool. saw 'em do it live here in l.a., haven't yet heard the cd. the trio cds are on a couple of different labels. you may be able to get 'em at forced exposure. Even more Miko: Also... is anybody else thinking that Bill Frissells laid back stuff just ain't getting there anymore? (Just an opinion... to his credit, he's still throwing loops out there. 8-b) ** i've heard that bill has been experiencing hearing difficulties (sort of like charlie haden?), don't know if this is true. so this may have something to do with his dealing a lot in less extreme stuff of late. probably won't see that naked city tour . . . that being said, yeah it's not quite my cup o' tea now. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 14:38:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21727; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:38:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:38:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003301bf2d44$d1e030e0$644badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: "individualizing" music Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:33:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"Nf-CC1.0.iw4.Zi6Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >>I consider the Grunge trend an outgrowth of '77 Punk, which btw is pretty >>well-documented in the documentary "The Year Punk Broke", featuring Sonic >>Youth and Nirvana on tour. It took Amerika 10-15 years to really "get it". > >You're right. There are a lot of similarities between the punk movement and >the whole early 90's "alternative" thing (including the rave movement). It's >kind of like "punk for a new generation" becuase a sizeable chunk of people >putting out music now were too young to have been influenced by punk as it >happened. I was 2. 30 year old musicians today were 9. 20 year old musicians >today were -3. A lot of us didn't know about punk until the whole >"alternative" craze was subsiding. > >I have to admit I'm guilty of making generalizations when it comes to these >things. Oh well, sorry about that, but I believe that a lot us needed that >second "punk" movement. You're right, it was Punk Pt. II, and it was sorely needed. Hopefully people "get it" now and can apply the same lessons to the Web. Regards, Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 15:32:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02384; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:32:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:32:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991112145245.00a72a70@pilgrim.cisco.com> X-Sender: joelong@pilgrim.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:59:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Joseph C. Long" Subject: Re: Recomended Looping Device Cc: hartne.t@apple.com In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.19991111171027.00a91650@pilgrim.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id PAA27090 Resent-Message-ID: <"86fP42.0.8g6.787Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow,..thank you very much for this detailed response. This is exactly what I was looking for. 2 last questions: 1. When you say "you have to hold the overdub switch down (doesn't latch)" ,..does that mean that once an original loop has been created, that the following overdubs, or layers have to be played while holding down the overdub switch? And if so,..does this present difficulties while trying to layer with accuracy? 2. Where is the best place to purchase a Boomerang on line? Thanks again, -Joe At 05:32 PM 11/11/99 -0600, you wrote: >€ Odds of finding a JamMan >Pretty good on eBay, but expect to pay $500-700. > > >Having used the both the Headrush and the Boomerang for looping acoustic >guitar, I'd probably lean towards the Boomerang. They've each got their >pros and cons, but here are some things to consider: > >Headrush (in looping mode): >Pros: CD-spec sound quality, small footprint, allows you to undo all >overdubs after the initial loop, cheapest looping device available > >Cons: feedback level not adjustable (and set rather high), no easy way to >adjust volume level with your foot, 11.5 sec max looping time (with >overdubs) > > >Boomerang >Pros: 2 minutes looping time in high-resolution mode, 4 minutes in low, >quiet footswitches (acoustically quiet--important with acoustic guitar, even >amplified), backwards and half-speed feature, roller volume control designed >for foot control > >Cons: feedback level not adjustable (although doesn't seem set as high as >the Headrush), you have to hold the overdub switch down (doesn't latch), >larger footprint, more expensive than Headrush, lower sampling rate (32kHz >[as I recall], although I've found no issue with it in live settings) > > > > O.k I'm new to the list and somewhat new to looping. But I'm looking to > > purchase a looping device for playing guitar, mostly acoustic. After lots of > > reading and research I guess the most obvious choices would be the Akai > > Headrush, or the Boomerang. I've read some of the threads going back and forth > > concerning specific features. So I guess my question is: Is there one obvious > > choice? Is there another option I'm not looking at? ..And lastly what are my > > odds on finding a JamMan? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe Long > > joelong@cisco.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 16:08:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11244; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:08:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:08:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003301bf2d44$d1e030e0$644badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:28:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Loopers of the World passwords Resent-Message-ID: <"ZvcBD3.0.sF.dX7Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you emailed me to get a lost or forgotten password, and I didn't get back to you...please email me again. I have the list of passwords (as of Sept.), so I should be able to get back to you quickly now. Sorry for the hassle. - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 16:11:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11795; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:11:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:11:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:14:01 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, m1cha3l@earthlink.net, ylpunk@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT and DFX94 4 sec delay for sale... Resent-Message-ID: <"KrSYg1.0.NZ.Gb7Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You should have seen the shit I got for talking fuzzboxes! Oh boy... Now that I think of it I better get OT! DOD DFX94 4 sec delay for sale again! (It sounds like you found another one Larry T. but if you'd still like this I've decided I AM gonna sell it...) $95 buckaroos... -Miko >>> M T 11/12 8:01 AM >>> > Well, I got scolded for talking about strings, before, but it seems that strings are more relevant to looping than Mr. Bungle and these history of rock and roll posts.... just a thought. Not trying to get anybody mad. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 16:21:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14566; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:21:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:21:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:56:54 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Subject: Re: er, zorn, bungle, bailey, brotzmann Resent-Message-ID: <"VJb1_1.0.uX.wa7Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rob wrote... > - bill frisell is really rockin - his chair that is - his new material has lost its relevancy for me - as a non-american, i really can't stand all this "americana" schtick - a little too sentimental and nostalgic for my taste - all that negativity said, we're all allowed to change course I'm nostalgic and sentimental for the time when BF wasn't so darn nostalgic and sentimental! I KNOW it's a rocky ride playing spikey stuff all the time... but I don't know what to say to people who tell me, "Wow! I've just been turned on to this great guitarist! Ya gotta hear this..." And they mention his last two recordings. I just say oh yeah I like Bill a lot... "Where In The World" Now there's an amazing piece of work... I've enjoyed his renderings of the Aaron Copeland stuff with Don Byron and crew. More of a chamber sort of thing. But as soon as he plopped out a few "heavy" blues tunes I smelled trouble with a capital T. Now this country rocking chair thing (like that description a lot) is really killing me... Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 17:10:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27493; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:10:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:10:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: bedwellm@WellsFargo.COM Message-ID: <5BA4EAE4ACF6D211BC540001FA7EB196D0C853@xcem-casfo-11.wellsfargo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: er, zorn, bungle, bailey, brotzmann Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:26:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"w_phY1.0.r74.PS8Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have to agree. I was a big Frisell fan. In fact, I just got his instructional. I jumped on board around "Is That You?" and really liked it. These days, I like him best when he is sideman. Micah > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Biffle [SMTP:mbiffle@svg.com] > Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 8:57 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; r_t_cummings@compuserve.com > Subject: Re: er, zorn, bungle, bailey, brotzmann > > Rob wrote... > > - bill frisell is really rockin - his chair that is - his new > material has lost its relevancy for me - as a non-american, i really > can't stand all this "americana" schtick - a little too sentimental > and nostalgic for my taste - all that negativity said, we're all > allowed to change course > > I'm nostalgic and sentimental for the time when BF wasn't so darn > nostalgic and sentimental! I KNOW it's a rocky ride playing spikey > stuff all the time... but I don't know what to say to people who tell > me, "Wow! I've just been turned on to this great guitarist! Ya gotta > hear this..." And they mention his last two recordings. I just say oh > yeah I like Bill a lot... "Where In The World" Now there's an amazing > piece of work... > > I've enjoyed his renderings of the Aaron Copeland stuff with Don > Byron and crew. More of a chamber sort of thing. But as soon as he > plopped out a few "heavy" blues tunes I smelled trouble with a capital > T. Now this country rocking chair thing (like that description a lot) > is really killing me... > > Best Regards, > Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com > "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 17:32:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00419; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:32:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:32:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382C8C89.C59E902@windcap.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:54:17 -0800 From: Ian Jacobson Organization: Windswept Capital LLC - - http://www.windcap.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Subject: Frisell References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ratds3.0.lq5.qp8Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To all those who might care: Bill Frisell appears on Don Byron's new Album, "Romance with the Unseen" w/ Jack Dejonette and a bassist who's name escapes me. Not only will you weep for the triumphant return of Frisell's jazz-oriented style but jaws will drop at his deft integration of loops throughout the album. 'Homegoing' and 'One Finger Snap' are two of the finest pieces of music I've heard on professional release in the last year. The later of which is almost entirely Frisell loops w/ Don visiting the head & solos. And for those who might disparage the man, I just checked out his tour through the Northwest with Brian Blade (d), Victor Krauss (b), and Greg Leisz (slide/pedal). Check the material live before you disparage the Good Dog/Happy Man album. It might come off too rootsy at first but it blossoms under scrutiny and repeated listening. If you trade CD-R, I'd love to get the material out to you. Its also funny you should mention his 'chair' (which he does rock) On stage Frisell has that stool where the PDS 8000 and some other stuff rest... now that's the kind of rockin chair I'm talking about! -Ian (I'm new to the list today. Is there a Digest version available?) Mike Biffle wrote: > Rob wrote... > > - bill frisell is really rockin - his chair that is - his new > material has lost its relevancy for me - as a non-american, i really > can't stand all this "americana" schtick - a little too sentimental > and nostalgic for my taste - all that negativity said, we're all > allowed to change course > > I'm nostalgic and sentimental for the time when BF wasn't so darn > nostalgic and sentimental! I KNOW it's a rocky ride playing spikey > stuff all the time... but I don't know what to say to people who tell > me, "Wow! I've just been turned on to this great guitarist! Ya gotta > hear this..." And they mention his last two recordings. I just say oh > yeah I like Bill a lot... "Where In The World" Now there's an amazing > piece of work... > > I've enjoyed his renderings of the Aaron Copeland stuff with Don > Byron and crew. More of a chamber sort of thing. But as soon as he > plopped out a few "heavy" blues tunes I smelled trouble with a capital > T. Now this country rocking chair thing (like that description a lot) > is really killing me... > > Best Regards, > Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com > "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 17:55:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05390; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:55:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:55:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:16:24 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ijacobson@windcap.com Cc: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Frisell Resent-Message-ID: <"XoDNI2.0.cG7.a99Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> Ian Jacobson 11/12 1:58 PM >>> To all those who might care: Bill Frisell appears on Don Byron's new Album, "Romance with the Unseen" w/ Jack Dejonette and a bassist who's name escapes me. Not only will you weep for the triumphant return of Frisell's jazz-oriented style but jaws will drop at his deft integration of loops throughout the album. 'Homegoing' and 'One Finger Snap' are two of the finest pieces of music I've heard on professional release in the last year. The later of which is almost entirely Frisell loops w/ Don visiting the head & solos. Hey thanks for the tip Ian! I'll check it out... That IS good news... > (I'm new to the list today. Is there a Digest version available?) Welcome! Here's the scoop... Best, Biffoz PS: Don't misspell SUBSCRIBE cause nothing is gonna happen... worse yet... Don't send mail to the list saying stuff like DE-SUBSCRIBE or REMOVE... We've seen it thousands of times here and the response, while hilarious, is pretty merciless. Is there a Digest form of LD? How do I receive it? Yes, there is a digest. To subscribe, send mail with the word "subscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com You would then want to unsubscribe from the normal list, so send "unsubscribe" to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For posting, make sure you send to the normal Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com address, or nobody will see it. Personally, I hate digest lists. I never get around to reading them because they arrive in one big, imposing lump. Replying to posts always seems to be a pain, and it's too slow to maintain a decent conversation, so I never do. I guess this happens to others as well, because the folks on the digest almost never participate. I suggest using email filters instead. Subscribe to the digest only if you have a good technical reason to do so. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 21:37:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23716; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:37:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:37:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01bf2d7d$2cb22ea0$e5c3aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: Subject: Re: Frisell Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:16:58 -0800 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ydda4.0.tu4.jfCBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Regarding Bill Frisell, I caught his show at Yoshi's in Oakland this past Wednesday. Quite inspiring stuff. He has assembled a formidable quartet. As was the case the last couple of times I've seen him, loops were an integral part of his repertoire. He has definitely expanded from his jazz origins into broader "Americana" type territory. In fact, if one is to regard improvisation as a key link to jazz, then Frisell's use of loops was that link. There was one possible change in his gear from the last time I saw him: I didn't see his EH 16 second delay pedal onstage. His primary looper was a blue device that I couldn't specifically identify. There was one funny incident at the end of his set where he was playing the initial chords to his song "Poem for Eva". The intro is quiet and reflective. As he was playing, he hit a button on his looper, apparently to turn it off. Instead, he created this brief cacophonic, horrendous sound that blew the entire mood. He immediately stopped and marched to the mic, saying: "That was a mistake. Usually when I'm playing over there, people think I'm having problems but really I'm just having fun. However, that wasn't fun. I think I just had a heart attack." After the audience and the band got done laughing, he re-started the song. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 22:14:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32262; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:14:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:14:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <003301bf2d44$d1e030e0$644badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:42:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed and Jennifer Drake Subject: Re: Loopers of the World passwords Resent-Message-ID: <"Ii3-X1.0.R46.60DBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Chris, I need one of those passwords. Thanks a lot! Ed >If you emailed me to get a lost or forgotten password, and I didn't get >back to you...please email me again. I have the list of passwords (as of >Sept.), so I should be able to get back to you quickly now. Sorry for the >hassle. > >- Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 12 23:00:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09203; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:00:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:00:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <012F2481B420D211BE5A00A0C9CDAFBA020F91CB@il0015exch006u.ih.lucent.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:26:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: JamMan offer revised Resent-Message-ID: <"EZ9Td3.0.ze.DiDBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Patrick > >I wasn't sure if you saw my original post about trading >a Roland GR-30 or not. Would be interested in a trade >of sorts for your JamMan you have for sale ?? > >Thanks >Gary Weideman Hi Gary. Not interested in the Gr-30 or $400. Will probably post the unit to e-bay this week, now that my life is settling down for a week. Thanks for your interest. If you have any other gear you might be interested in rading let me know. Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 13 01:48:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12700; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 01:48:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 01:48:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911130628.WAA19220@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:28:23 -0600 Subject: Re:Boomerang/Headrush comparison (cont.) From: "Tiktok World HQ" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vVPEG.0.cE2.bKGBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 1. With the Boomerang, if you want to overdub onto an existing loop, you have to keep your foot on the "Stack" switch while you're overdubbing. Contrast this with the Headrush, where you tap the switch to start overdubbing, then tap another switch when you're done. There's good and bad to both designs, but I've found this to be no real obstacle on the Boomerang. I'd say it actually makes it easier to overdub accurately because the throw of the switch is much shorter than the Akai switches (which also click loudly when depressed). You can finesse the Boomer switches, whereas the Akai requires you to hit them with commitment. 2. You might want to check with Boomerang directly--Mike Nelson (co-owner) was advertising one for $369 (I believe) that was new but with a couple of minor finish defects. Failing that, you might try Krazy Kat Music in San Antonio (I forget their web address). Ask for Bobdog--he's on this list somewhere. TH ---------- > > 1. When you say "you have to hold the overdub switch down (doesn't latch)" > ,..does that mean that once an original loop has been created, that the > following overdubs, or layers have to be played while holding down the > overdub switch? And if so,..does this present difficulties while trying to > layer with accuracy? > > 2. Where is the best place to purchase a Boomerang on line? > > Thanks again, > > -Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 13 03:13:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28145; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 03:13:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 03:13:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382D192C.46C1@dmans.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 01:54:20 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang/Headrush comparison (cont.) References: <199911130628.WAA19220@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FGouh1.0.n26.cbHBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com With the new, soon to be released, software for the Rang, you can choose which behavior you want for the STACK button, latching or momentary. > 1. With the Boomerang, if you want to overdub onto an existing loop, you > have to keep your foot on the "Stack" switch while you're overdubbing. > Contrast this with the Headrush, where you tap the switch to start > overdubbing, then tap another switch when you're done. There's good and bad > to both designs, but I've found this to be no real obstacle on the > Boomerang. I'd say it actually makes it easier to overdub accurately because > the throw of the switch is much shorter than the Akai switches (which also > click loudly when depressed). You can finesse the Boomer switches, whereas > the Akai requires you to hit them with commitment. > > 1. When you say "you have to hold the overdub switch down (doesn't latch)" > > ,..does that mean that once an original loop has been created, that the > > following overdubs, or layers have to be played while holding down the > > overdub switch? And if so,..does this present difficulties while trying to > > layer with accuracy? -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 13 04:56:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11776; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 04:56:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 04:56:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382D31F8.119FCBD5@texas.net> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 03:40:09 -0600 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang/Krazy Kat Music References: <199911130628.WAA19220@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ic1WV1.0.QI2.Q7JBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tiktok World HQ wrote: > Failing that, you might try Krazy Kat Music in San > Antonio (I forget their web address). Ask for Bobdog--he's on this list > somewhere. i'm over here. unfortunately i don't know that cool trick for making the url a blue- highlighted hot link thing. www.krazykatmusic.com 210.737.0523 kinda boring this way. i'll sell boomerangs to l.d. folks for $425+shipping. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 13 08:56:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20530; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 08:56:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 08:56:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991113083750.007aea00@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 08:37:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Boomerang/Krazy Kat Music In-Reply-To: <382D31F8.119FCBD5@texas.net> References: <199911130628.WAA19220@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"4E-5W3.0.xG4.AeMBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just type it like this when you send your post and you should see a hyperlink (the blue-highlighted thing...) when it comes back. At 03:40 AM 11/13/99 -0600, you wrote: >Tiktok World HQ wrote: > >> Failing that, you might try Krazy Kat Music in San >> Antonio (I forget their web address). Ask for Bobdog--he's on this list >> somewhere. > >i'm over here. unfortunately i don't know that cool trick for making the url a >blue- highlighted hot link thing. > >www.krazykatmusic.com >210.737.0523 > >kinda boring this way. > >i'll sell boomerangs to l.d. folks for $425+shipping. > >bobdog > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 13 09:46:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29822; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:46:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:46:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382D76CF.C388F206@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:33:51 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: new tunes at TBL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IH5621.0.5c6._MNBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi folks, just a note to let you know that I have put up some new excerpts from my loop musings. they are the first four in the* my guitar improvisations* column at my site. Feedback is encouraged! http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html Also if you like them there are mp3 versions at my space donated by my brothers cabinet shop site. you can download them at, http://3dcabinet.com/mp3s.html peace to all, jd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 13 11:13:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13921; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:13:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:13:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.42b89ffd.255ee3ff@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:55:43 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang/Headrush comparison (cont.) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"YOTXh2.0.Gc2.ueOBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just got on the list. I have 3 Echoplexes fully loaded and a boomerang 4 minutes. The guys at Boomerang are some of the friendliest and helpful fellows you'll ever meet. MD From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 13 11:55:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23828; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:55:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:55:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.8d370f51.255eede8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:38:00 EST Subject: Re: Filters...........OT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 137 Resent-Message-ID: <"hsW0l.0.Sy4.YGPBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/11/99 03:55:27 GMT Standard Time, Kriist@aol.com writes: > im looking to get a good performance oriented filter For the budget minded, the Zoom 1201 has a set of very usable autofilter presets. Not as good as the 'real' (=analogue) thing, but much cheaper. (also has 3sec of delay) Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 13 15:22:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32736; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:22:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:22:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Bill Frisell Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:17:59 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf2e14$2ddc5020$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"5CkBp1.0.pm7.oTSBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did anyone record any of the live shows in Los Angeles? I can't believe he played here for 2 nights less than 3 miles from my house and i missed it- Message me off list please- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 13 17:33:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26640; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:33:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:33:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01bf2e26$5302f180$4c9d60cb@EVOL> From: "EVOL" To: References: <0.8d370f51.255eede8@aol.com> Subject: Re: Filters...........OT Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:27:25 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"KfSu71.0.kP6.sPUBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Apparently there is a Zoom 1210 which has memory presets. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 13 18:08:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01784; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:08:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:08:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000201bf2e2c$b4c96740$2e56883e@colins-gear> From: "Colin Seddon" To: Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex wanted Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:12:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01BF2E2C.8992C800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"HX9EG3.0.OD.KwUBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BF2E2C.8992C800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Javier, Ignore that last message - You'd already replied but Outlook Express = automatically sent out that one to you before I'dread today's mail. = Don't want to appear to be tugging at your sleeve. Cheers, Colin=20 -----Original Message----- From: Colin Seddon To: Javier Miranda V. Date: 12 November 1999 23:46 Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex wanted =20 =20 Hi Javier, =20 Any joy re: Echoplex? =20 Colin -----Original Message----- From: Javier Miranda V. To: Colin Seddon Date: 03 November 1999 08:35 Subject: RE: Oberheim Echoplex wanted =20 =20 OK. I just heard on the list that those Zzounds people are a = bunch of liars. I'll keep my eyes opened and will flag this e-mail for = a reminder. -----Original Message----- From: Colin Seddon [mailto:colin@drumbase.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday 01 November 1999 3:11 PM To: Javier Miranda V. Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex wanted =20 =20 Javier, =20 Cheers for that. I'd be interested in taking you up on = that. Let me know if you come across an Echoplex and foot controller = and we can take it from there. =20 Colin -----Original Message----- From: Javier Miranda V. To: colin@drumbase.freeserve.co.uk = Date: 01 November 1999 00:08 Subject: RE: Oberheim Echoplex wanted =20 =20 Colin, =20 I know a simpler way. Let's find a store like Zzounds = that will sell it to one of us in the US, where you even can make direct = payment, then one of us gets it for you here and ships it right over to = you in the UK. I think a store shouldn't care who pays and where it = ships. As long as they do business, it should all be alright. I would = even volunteer to do this bouncing over to you. Also, shipping of an = Echoplex shouldn't be more than $30. I'll ask my English friend for the = average price per kilogram, as he often ship things over there. =20 The only problem with that is the electricity problem. = I don't know exactly how bad that is, but from what I gather, it's a big = deal to get the Echoplex to be "legal" electrically in Europe. =20 Javier -----Original Message----- From: Colin Seddon = [mailto:colin@drumbase.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Sunday 31 October 1999 3:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Oberheim Echoplex wanted =20 =20 I bid at the Lycos auction for an Echoplex but lost. = Zzounds have one but don't ship outside the US. Does anyone know of a used Echoplex for sale in = Europe (particularly the UK, where I live)? I get the feeling that most of the Loopers on this = list are from the USA. If any of you folks in the USA have one to sell, = what would the cost of the shipping be? =20 Interesting thing about the auction.........the foot = controller sold for more than the cost of a new one and the echoplex = wasn't far off either,=20 =20 Colin ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BF2E2C.8992C800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Javier,
 
Ignore that last message - You'd already replied = but =20 Outlook Express automatically sent out that one to you before I'dread = today's=20 mail.  Don't want to appear to be tugging at your = sleeve.
 
Cheers,
 
Colin 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Colin Seddon <colin@drumbase.freeserve.c= o.uk>
To:=20 Javier Miranda V. <gnominus@earthling.net>
= Date:=20 12 November 1999 23:46
Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex=20 wanted

Hi Javier,
 
Any joy re: Echoplex?
 
Colin
-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Javier Miranda V. <gnominus@earthling.net>
= To:=20 Colin Seddon <colin@drumbase.freeserve.c= o.uk>
Date:=20 03 November 1999 08:35
Subject: RE: Oberheim = Echoplex=20 wanted

OK.  I just heard on the list = that those=20 Zzounds people are a bunch of liars.  I'll keep my eyes = opened and=20 will flag this e-mail for a reminder.
-----Original = Message-----
From: Colin=20 Seddon = [mailto:colin@drumbase.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent:=20 Monday 01 November 1999 3:11 PM
To: Javier Miranda = V.
Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex=20 wanted

Javier,
 
Cheers for that.  = I'd be=20 interested in taking you up on that.  Let me know if = you come=20 across an Echoplex and foot controller and we can take it = from=20 there.
 
Colin
-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Javier Miranda V. = <gnominus@earthling.net>
= To:=20 colin@drumbase.freeserve.c= o.uk=20 <colin@drumbase.freeserve.c= o.uk>
Date:=20 01 November 1999 00:08
Subject: RE: = Oberheim=20 Echoplex wanted

Colin,
 
I=20 know a simpler way.  Let's find a store like = Zzounds that=20 will sell it to one of us in the US, where you even can = make=20 direct payment, then one of us gets it for you here and = ships it=20 right over to you in the UK.  I think a store = shouldn't=20 care who pays and where it ships.  As long as they = do=20 business, it should all be alright.  I would even = volunteer=20 to do this bouncing over to you.  Also, shipping of = an=20 Echoplex shouldn't be more than $30.  I'll ask my = English=20 friend for the average price per kilogram, as he often = ship=20 things over there.
 
The only problem with that is = the=20 electricity problem.  I don't know exactly how bad = that is,=20 but from what I gather, it's a big deal to get the = Echoplex to=20 be "legal" electrically in = Europe.
 
Javier
-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Colin Seddon=20 = [mailto:colin@drumbase.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent:=20 Sunday 31 October 1999 3:19 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: = Oberheim=20 Echoplex wanted

I bid at the Lycos auction for = an Echoplex=20 but lost.  Zzounds have one but don't ship = outside the=20 US.
Does anyone know of a used = Echoplex for=20 sale in Europe (particularly the UK, where I=20 live)?
I get the feeling that most of = the Loopers=20 on this list are from the USA. If any of you folks = in the=20 USA have one to sell, what would the cost of the = shipping=20 be?
 
Interesting thing about the=20 auction.........the foot controller sold for more = than the=20 cost of a new one and the echoplex wasn't far off=20 either, 
 
Colin
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BF2E2C.8992C800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 13 23:03:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31119; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:03:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:03:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d86274ea.255f8ce8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:56:24 EST Subject: Re: Frisell To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 27 Resent-Message-ID: <"LF7Fi3.0.PD7.fCZBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Love "Nashville", love "Gone, Just Like A Train" but wish Keltner would have stepped forward a little more like he did with Ry, really love "Good Dog Happy Man" not only for Frisell but for the incredible Greg Leisz as well. "Good Dog" is my favorite Frisell record since "Have A Little Faith" and "Rambler", which I would easily put it alongside. Looks like I'm in a minority here... Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 14 04:29:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29974; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 04:29:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 04:29:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bf2e82$54b46d40$a62a9d3e@oemcomputer> To: References: <6172B1AC5DDCD011BD8A00805FFED557022BB56A@xch-rtn-16.ca.boeing.com> Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 Foot Controller & Programmer Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:17:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) Resent-Message-ID: <"kzTNK2.0.x17.0-dBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello David, Just a simple question: I just got rid of my PMC 10 because it wasn´t too reliable. I lost all the programing a few times and finally got fed up with it and sold it. It was frustrating because it is an exellent unit in terms of programability, now i´ve decided to get the DMC Ground control. Has this ever happened to you? L.A. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 14 10:33:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28031; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:33:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:33:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801bf2e82$54b46d40$a62a9d3e@oemcomputer> References: <6172B1AC5DDCD011BD8A00805FFED557022BB56A@xch-rtn-16.ca.boeing.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:09:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 Foot Controller & Programmer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id KAA23760 Resent-Message-ID: <"lMx98.0.ip5.f5jBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hello David, > >Just a simple question: >I just got rid of my PMC 10 because it wasn´t too reliable. I lost all the >programing a few times and finally got fed up with it and sold it. It was >frustrating because it is an exellent unit in terms of programability, now >i´ve decided to get the DMC Ground control. Has this ever happened to you? >L.A. I've been using the PMC-10 successfully for years with no loss of programming. My biggest problem is kicking of the switches when stepping past the unit ith my big feet. Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 14 12:20:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16953; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:20:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:20:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3820A13D.1C0EE446@dial.pipex.com> References: <199911031629.LAA02915@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:11:43 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: spacial sound Resent-Message-ID: <"VYzny3.0.RH3.ajkBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I used some speaker in the back of the room long time ago and stopped it after a listener had put his jacket over it - shure, its annoying for those who are close. But now, I got animated again with these posts and by chance, I was asked to mix a very nice and subtle music (Itamar Assuncao) in a square theatre this week. I led the output of the reverb to two small speaker cabinets in the back corners and everybody loved it. The almost spoken main voice and the bass came nearly dry from the front, the drum had some trebly reply from behind and the backing voices and woodwhinds were beautifully spread over the room. Its not as simple as the other proposuals here, but still very simple for a PA. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 14 12:20:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16975; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:20:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:20:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:11:10 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: playing during speeches / great movie Resent-Message-ID: <"xzS8G.0.sH3.djkBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com * OT introduction I cared for the sound of a 3 day conference about "integral sciences" - experienced people talking about everything between Homöopathy, Permaculture, female power and UFOs. No religions, no proofs. Experiences, Faith - the old "new age" conspiracy, but a lot more mature and concrete. No one sold any truth, and mutual respect and tolerance was a strong base. The aim is not so much the survival of mankind (much less of certain groups or individuals), but the humble acceptance of necessary changes in the course of the bigger evolution. * The work I played most of the time, during the speeches! Its somewhat like improvising a sound track. For me, its rather easier to follow a difficult speech while playing. The sound was mostly very low, and nobody seamed to care about what I played, but as soon as I stopped or got lost, the difference became obvious. Sometimes I was amazed how nicely the sound coincided with the speech or even prepared for a change in it. It once happened that I developped a theme while an ancient story was told and later in the speech, when that story was mentioned again, I already was back at that same theme! Loops helped a lot to simplify my work and the listeners reception, but I rarely had time to build a complex loop and often just used single notes to keep flexible. Pretty different styles were appropriate, between nature-like noises, romantic harmonies, intergalactic conflicts, softly animating rhythms and silence (also because I am not used to play 8 hours/day). Since I had my "magic box" set up in the corner of the stage, I was free to leave and come back when I felt necessity. Two of the speakers asked me not to play, because they felt it would distract from their subject. Others wanted me to play. Most agreed without comment. * Interpretation At some point I felt like the "fool of the court". During the questions phases I did not play, but made "innocent" questions from my special corner. I understood I was doing little corrections in the energy flow. Its not so much about music, but about the perception of moods, a rhythm flowing between speaker and listener and about the experience to influence an experience. Historical reviews and analytical subjects are much harder to support with sound than emotional or spiritual contents. The flow of the speech (or the lack of it!) becomes more obvious through the parallel music and can be improved by the music if the speaker is receptive and speaks rather free. I would like to try to work together with a speaker. No chance to do this work with prerecorded music! Towards the end, people came to me, saying that I had helped a lot to keep the balance of the event and bought CDs. * A marvelous movie By a nice accident, a week before the event, I had stumbled over a French movie on TV called "the violinist" that ends with a brilliant Bach solo in some dirty underground, causing an old man to die in peace and poor people to gather around a fireplace, starting to share the little they have - this may sound ridiculous as I tell it here, but it makes a lot of sense, watch this movie! I cried of deep emotion and understood: WE ARE USEFULL WHEREVER WE CAN PLAY SINCERELY ! ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 14 13:37:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32741; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:37:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:37:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002401bf2eca$ddb71d20$18c8aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: Subject: Re: playing during speeches / great movie Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:05:30 -0800 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"wsz6t.0.jS6.nelBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yet more evidence of the power of sound and music. I have been curious to hear the possibilities a marriage of ambient loop music and spoken word would present. A couple of months ago, my kids and I were watching a cartoon parody of a stereotypical "Beatnik" poetry reading with the accompaniment of bongos. It made me wonder what a serious modern poetry reading would be like with subtle loops in the background. It is definitely something I would love to explore and experience, especially in light of Matthias' experience. Any poets out there looking to jam?! Thanks for sharing your OT experience Matthias. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthias Grob To: Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 9:11 AM Subject: playing during speeches / great movie > * OT introduction > I cared for the sound of a 3 day conference about "integral sciences" - > experienced people talking about everything between Homöopathy, > Permaculture, female power and UFOs. No religions, no proofs. Experiences, > Faith - the old "new age" conspiracy, but a lot more mature and concrete. > No one sold any truth, and mutual respect and tolerance was a strong base. > The aim is not so much the survival of mankind (much less of certain groups > or individuals), but the humble acceptance of necessary changes in the > course of the bigger evolution. > > * The work > I played most of the time, during the speeches! Its somewhat like > improvising a sound track. For me, its rather easier to follow a difficult > speech while playing. > The sound was mostly very low, and nobody seamed to care about what I > played, but as soon as I stopped or got lost, the difference became > obvious. Sometimes I was amazed how nicely the sound coincided with the > speech or even prepared for a change in it. It once happened that I > developped a theme while an ancient story was told and later in the speech, > when that story was mentioned again, I already was back at that same theme! > Loops helped a lot to simplify my work and the listeners reception, but I > rarely had time to build a complex loop and often just used single notes to > keep flexible. Pretty different styles were appropriate, between > nature-like noises, romantic harmonies, intergalactic conflicts, softly > animating rhythms and silence (also because I am not used to play 8 > hours/day). Since I had my "magic box" set up in the corner of the stage, I > was free to leave and come back when I felt necessity. > Two of the speakers asked me not to play, because they felt it would > distract from their subject. Others wanted me to play. Most agreed without > comment. > > * Interpretation > At some point I felt like the "fool of the court". During the questions > phases I did not play, but made "innocent" questions from my special corner. > I understood I was doing little corrections in the energy flow. Its not so > much about music, but about the perception of moods, a rhythm flowing > between speaker and listener and about the experience to influence an > experience. > Historical reviews and analytical subjects are much harder to support with > sound than emotional or spiritual contents. > The flow of the speech (or the lack of it!) becomes more obvious through > the parallel music and can be improved by the music if the speaker is > receptive and speaks rather free. I would like to try to work together with > a speaker. > No chance to do this work with prerecorded music! > > Towards the end, people came to me, saying that I had helped a lot to keep > the balance of the event and bought CDs. > > * A marvelous movie > By a nice accident, a week before the event, I had stumbled over a French > movie on TV called "the violinist" that ends with a brilliant Bach solo in > some dirty underground, causing an old man to die in peace and poor people > to gather around a fireplace, starting to share the little they have - this > may sound ridiculous as I tell it here, but it makes a lot of sense, watch > this movie! > I cried of deep emotion and understood: > > WE ARE USEFULL WHEREVER WE CAN PLAY SINCERELY ! > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 14 14:14:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08445; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:14:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:14:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <382EAF69.D7F85662@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:47:37 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Filter Factory? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_-4nh.0.D51.BOmBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone try the new "performance-oriented" Filter Factory from Electronix? It's retailing for 800 - 1000 DM (= US $500) here in Deutschland ... ... for twisting LOOPS, that is ... rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 14 14:39:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12924; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:39:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:39:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <382F8A22.6D558E82@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:20:50 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: playing during speeches / great movie References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ciePD.0.KP2.bmmBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthias Grob wrote: something beautiful this essay has a place in the loopers delight site Kim are you there ? thanks Mathias Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 14 17:08:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11374; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:08:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:08:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19991114222836.009f7b80@pop.puretec.de> X-Sender: substitute-music.de.2@pop.puretec.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:44:35 +0100 To: drone-gear@listserv.no-fi.com From: Jan Plogmann Subject: SP-202 again Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hjH0T2.0.st1.LxoBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi! Anyone tried to read the Sp-202 smartmedia cards into a PC? There are some interesting tools, the Flash-Path and a PCMCIA smartmedia-port. They are usually used to import digital-camera gifs, but perhaps they can handle audio-data... Jan http://www.substitute-music.de From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 14 17:55:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30066; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:55:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:55:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:46:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: playing during speeches / great movie Resent-Message-ID: <"4qA36.0.dj5.gcpBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthais wrote: >WE ARE USEFULL WHEREVER WE CAN PLAY SINCERELY ! God, this is so true. It's so difficult to keep the reality of why we as humans need music in mind, when dealing with gigs, gear, money, jobs, life, whatever. Thanks for the reminder. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 14 19:53:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16389; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:53:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:53:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SketchyJoe@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d54f966b.2560af55@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:35:33 EST Subject: Re: playing during speeches / great movie To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 218 Resent-Message-ID: <"X4lPj3.0.AO2.FMrBu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy all! Figured I'd chime in after lurking for a couple of months. This performance reminded me of the pieces Kronos Quartet has recorded based on a speech called "How it Happens" read by I.F. Stone. These are multiple pieces (written by Scott Johnson) based on different sections of this speech. It's interesting because the arrangement creates a dialogue between spoken word and instrument sounds (as opposed to the voice taking the "lead"). My favorite of the set is the section entitled "Physical Property" which can be found on the Kronos album Short Stories. Check it out. Later Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 05:49:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06917; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 05:49:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 05:49:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Boss VF-1 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 05:31:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"-TvrM2.0.Qo.L3-Bu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anyone come in contact with the new Boss VF-1 half rack FX unit? It supposedly is full with all kinds of models of vintage FX, including old echo units. I'm curious if it is possible to do small loops on em, and then really mangle the loops. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 12:27:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05559; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:27:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:27:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:29:03 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, patrick@his.com Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 Foot Controller & Programmer Resent-Message-ID: <"TpOZG3.0.sb5.sK3Cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've had the unfortunate reinitialization at some very bad moments... like right at the beginning of a 3 day recording session... or right before a gig. For some reason, I've reduced the number of patches and done a fair amount of "housecleaning" and haven't had a reset for a few years now. I also have a second unit to back up the first one... so there's a little safety in redundancy! -Miko >>> Patrick Smith 11/14 7:32 AM >>> >Hello David, > >Just a simple question: >I just got rid of my PMC 10 because it wasn*t too reliable. I lost all the >programing a few times and finally got fed up with it and sold it. It was >frustrating because it is an exellent unit in terms of programability, now >i*ve decided to get the DMC Ground control. Has this ever happened to you? >L.A. I've been using the PMC-10 successfully for years with no loss of programming. My biggest problem is kicking of the switches when stepping past the unit ith my big feet. Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 13:21:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19738; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:21:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:21:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:08:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Boss VF-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"KRPeM.0.8z3.Bn4Cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Has anyone come in contact with the new Boss VF-1 half rack FX unit? It >supposedly is full with all kinds of models of vintage FX, including old >echo units. I'm curious if it is possible to do small loops on em, and then >really mangle the loops. I have a previous Boss unit, the SE-70, and the VF1 is supposed to replace that. I personally love the SE-70, I think it's the greatest... it has a lovely vocoder, a really nice flange with a moveable center and a step function, and some neat-o distortion effects. however, it only does "one thing" at a time, though sometimes that one thing has a lot of separate effects it in. so it might be hard to do that. I turn the 2s delay's regen to 100% but then I process the output through something else... /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 13:34:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22965; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:34:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:34:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3830C59B.DECE6B83@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:46:51 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 Foot Controller & Programmer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0slRc2.0.Jn2.vU4Cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Do not forget the excellent dump utility written by our list member Sean I've had some memory garbled but when everything is safe in you PC you do not use the same words when that happens... meet RAYMOND the PMC10 dumper/editor at http://sean_.home.mindspring.com/pmc/index.html Mike Biffle wrote: > > I've had the unfortunate reinitialization at some very bad moments... > like right at the beginning of a 3 day recording session... or right > before a gig. For some reason, I've reduced the number of patches and > done a fair amount of "housecleaning" and haven't had a reset for a > few years now. I also have a second unit to back up the first one... > so there's a little safety in redundancy! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 13:40:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25005; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:40:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:40:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:31:28 -0600 Subject: FS: JamMan (8 sec) $500 Harmony Central From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i4suc3.0.WU5.b65Cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lexicon Jam Man Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: Lexicon Jam Man -8 seconds...32 second upgrade available from pedalman for $75 US -comes with 2 original Lexicon footswitches which are important to have to get the most out of this unit (also hard to find) -photocopied manual which is mostly readable -$500 US or trades listed...Kawai XD-5, Pax Mute Box, Lovetone Ringer Stinger, Paia HyperFlange+chorus, Next Analogue Delay, modular synth gear. Seller: Robert Brasz, (416)516-9538 E-mail: eelirak@yesic.com (Profile) Post Date: 11/14/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 13:40:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24787; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:40:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:40:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:33:20 -0600 Subject: FS: RDS 4000 $225+shipping (Harmony Central) From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"io_r6.0.Ea5.G85Cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: -Digitech RDS 4000 Time Machine 4 second digital delay/sampler also does flange and chorus unit is in very good shape never any problems.Paid 225.00 new,add$12.00 for shipping.pe Seller: Jake Teffner, 802.864.3590 E-mail: jteffner@tri-techusa.com (Profile) Post Date: 11/13/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 14:20:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04859; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:20:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:20:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991115130807.007a0800@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:08:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: Mujedo, not Menudo! Sheesh! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LTd6i1.0.dQ.bg5Cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, all... Here's a reminder and directions about and to my gig in Atlanta this weekend. If you're in or around the area, please try to come out. Thanks! Sincerely, Jeff McLeod .....saturday....november 20....at eyedrum.... STULL free thinking trio from birmingham SHHHHH free feeling trio from atlanta 10 p.m. call 404-581-0961 for more info 253 trinity ave. downdowntown near capitol. Stull is an improvising trio from Montgomery, AL that specializes in beating tired musical forms out of sleep and into death. In the course of one improvisation, one might be treated to massive, nightmarish soundscapes, lovely twee melodies, skull-rattling skronk, hot-dog Yngwie Malmsteen on acid licks, brain-licking prog/psych rock . . . or good-old, flat-out noise. The trio is made up of the regular guitar, bass and drum lineup--and is fleshed out by loops, toys, devices and beatable objects. Band members are journeyman drummer/guitarist Tracy Harris (who has played and worked with members of prog acts Bosch and Red Hush), bassist Willie Johnson (of noise-core math rockers Vox Humana) and guitarist Jeff McLeod (formerly of noise rock unit bert and now performing solo under the moniker of Gezoleen). Stull's new CD is out now on the Subversive Workshop label and under extrememly limited distro here in the US--and is soon to be available in Europe via the great Free Land Records of Italy. SHHHHHHH consists of ben young, marshall avett, and ben lawless . the unholy tastes of B and M, banned from both dotties and the red light cafe with their merciless 1s2s&3s experiment, have been carelessly underdocumented through their entanglements with eyedrum and old gold. their dynamic dialogue continues unabated even as marshall branches out into free jazz (with drummer john bowman) and ben shamelessly plumbs the depths of pop music with FOREVER. with lawless, also in forever, the two are given a back drop of fanciful rythmic twists that animate the colors between the lines of their scattered compositions. as though chris cutler were playing for war. or vice versa. a styrofoam bath of sweet magical embellishments plague the reversible foundation of balloon popping sonic tomfoolery. a meeting of minds in a minefield of unbridled enthusiasm turned callous and confused. http://www.pd.org/~zeug/EYEDRUM/eyedrum-sched.html BLESS THIS MESS Directions: EYEDRUM is a not-for-profit space and asks that visitors fork over a small donation to help pay rent and support performers in Atlanta and from around the country. Contact EYEDRUM: eyedrum@hotmail.com EYEDRUM is located at 253 Trinity Avenue (between Forsyth and Spring streets) on the first floor in downtown Atlanta. HOW TO GET THERE: **From I-75/I-85 North: Take Exit 93 (M. L. King Jr. Blvd.), follow MLK west six traffic lights to Peachtree St., turn left onto Peachtree, go two lights to Trinity Ave., turn right, cross Forsyth St., 253 is on the right, park on left for free. **From I-75/I-85 South: Use HOV Lane exit for Memorial Dr., go straight, at second light turn left onto Trinity Ave., drive three blocks, 253 is on the right, free parking on the left. **From I-20 East or West: Exit at Spring Street, go north on Spring, second traffic light is Trinity Ave., turn right, park for free on the right, 253 is across the street. On MARTA: Get onto the North/South line and get off at the Garnett Station (S1). Go upstairs, and walk out onto Trinity Ave (it's the only way to walk out from up there). Turn left on Trinity, cross Forsyth, and 253 is on the left. Trains run until 1 a.m. and cost roughly $1.50 per trip. MARTA is smarta, but there's safety in numbers. >From the trainyards: We're located one block east of the Norfolk Southern building, southeast __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 14:21:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04999; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:21:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:21:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <032801bf2f9d$de647640$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Reply-To: "Ken M" From: "Ken Melms" To: Subject: Eventide Loop Module Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:16:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"m9tC53.0.mm.Vk5Cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have an Eventide GTR4000 (AKA DSP4000 with different patches.) Has anyone ever seen a used Loop module for it? It's an amazing piece of hardware, but after the $$ I spent on the unit, I can't come up with the full $1000 Eventide wants for the looping module. Any help? Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 14:30:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07697; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:30:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:30:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:24:20 -0600 Subject: Re: Eventide Loop Module From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <032801bf2f9d$de647640$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2MhFk1.0.EU1.2u5Cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I had an upgrade kit for the Eventide around here somewhere, but I've misplaced it. As I recall, it involved a ski mask, .38 and the third shift of a convenience store. The same kit also worked for the tc 2290 sampler option. TH ****************** "The quality remains after the memory of the price has long faded."--Henry Royce > I have an Eventide GTR4000 (AKA DSP4000 with different patches.) > > Has anyone ever seen a used Loop module for it? It's an amazing piece > of hardware, but after the $$ I spent on the unit, I can't come up with the > full > $1000 Eventide wants for the looping module. > > Any help? > > Ken > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 15:05:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17999; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:05:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:05:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <033301bf2fa3$eb500d50$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Reply-To: "Ken M" From: "Ken Melms" To: Subject: Re: Eventide Loop Module Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:59:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"Th1rM1.0.yn3.LN6Cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh! I have that one, but it only seemed to work in urban areas during the spring. The kit seems to have a "Too close to halloween" bug in it that renders masks useless for 3 months at a time... It's also prone the "Why two, K?" bug... This bug only rears its head when I end up with diverging consciousness metastasising as a binural embylism caused by reading through a ski mask. KK (Why 2 K's?) -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 2:37 PM Subject: Re: Eventide Loop Module >I had an upgrade kit for the Eventide around here somewhere, but I've >misplaced it. As I recall, it involved a ski mask, .38 and the third shift >of a convenience store. The same kit also worked for the tc 2290 sampler >option. > >TH > > >****************** >"The quality remains after the memory of the price has long faded."--Henry >Royce > >> I have an Eventide GTR4000 (AKA DSP4000 with different patches.) >> >> Has anyone ever seen a used Loop module for it? It's an amazing piece >> of hardware, but after the $$ I spent on the unit, I can't come up with the >> full >> $1000 Eventide wants for the looping module. >> >> Any help? >> >> Ken >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 16:23:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06934; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:23:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:23:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6dde5973.2561d003@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:07:15 EST Subject: Re: midi controller To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"HtTxh.0.Yl.wO7Cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/11/99 6:07:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmar@bellsouth.net writes: > what I need is a box with 20 buttons on it for > program changes 1-20 for my Jamman. Any suggestions? > hey jeff, i use this little box called a midi merger to merge two ada mc1's together hope all is well.....email me privately sometime...let me know how things are going etc. over and out, brian electric bird noise http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 19:09:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15644; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:09:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:09:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:54:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Boss VF-1 Resent-Message-ID: <"SwKjI.0._u2.nq9Cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Has anyone come in contact with the new Boss VF-1 half rack FX unit? It >>supposedly is full with all kinds of models of vintage FX, including old >>echo units. I'm curious if it is possible to do small loops on em, and then >>really mangle the loops. I'm also really interested in this one. There's a fresh review of the unit on Harmony Central's effects database. By far the most extensive info I've seen is on Roland's Japanese Website. If you can read Japanese, send us a translation! >From what I can gather, it would seem the VF-1 outdoes not only the SE50/70, but the GX-700 as well, and therefore should raise a lot of interest here. Proof will be from hands-on, and I'm trying to find one now. Neither Manny's (NYC) nor Musician's Friend has them yet. Palm Beach Music (www.pbmusic.com) lists the best price I've seen--$359--but I doubt they have any, either. When I get hold of one I'll forward info.... David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 20:11:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30815; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:11:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:11:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911160043.TAA24960@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:44:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Boss VF-1 From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G6YUy3.0.1s5.gZACu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what is the address of the japanese roland site with the pic of the unit? ---------- >From: David Myers >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Boss VF-1 >Date: Mon, Nov 15, 1999, 7:54 PM > >>>Has anyone come in contact with the new Boss VF-1 half rack FX unit? It >>>supposedly is full with all kinds of models of vintage FX, including old >>>echo units. I'm curious if it is possible to do small loops on em, and then >>>really mangle the loops. > >I'm also really interested in this one. There's a fresh review of the unit >on Harmony Central's effects database. By far the most extensive info I've >seen is on Roland's Japanese Website. If you can read Japanese, send us a >translation! > >From what I can gather, it would seem the VF-1 outdoes not only the >SE50/70, but the GX-700 as well, and therefore should raise a lot of >interest here. Proof will be from hands-on, and I'm trying to find one >now. Neither Manny's (NYC) nor Musician's Friend has them yet. Palm Beach >Music (www.pbmusic.com) lists the best price I've seen--$359--but I doubt >they have any, either. When I get hold of one I'll forward info.... > >David Myers > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 20:11:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30835; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:11:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:11:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911160042.TAA24301@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:43:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Mujedo, not Menudo! Sheesh! From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UsVkV2.0.Oo5.cYACu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well i live here in atlanta and if my wife is not giving birth to ur first babay..than i will be there! thanks, c.white ---------- >From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Mujedo, not Menudo! Sheesh! >Date: Mon, Nov 15, 1999, 3:08 PM > >Hi, all... > Here's a reminder and directions about and to my gig in Atlanta this >weekend. If you're in or around the area, please try to come out. Thanks! >Sincerely, >Jeff McLeod > >.....saturday....november 20....at eyedrum.... > > STULL >free thinking trio from birmingham > > SHHHHH >free feeling trio from atlanta > >10 p.m. call 404-581-0961 for more info >253 trinity ave. downdowntown near capitol. > >Stull is an improvising trio from Montgomery, AL that specializes in >beating tired musical forms out of sleep and into death. In the course of >one improvisation, one might be treated to massive, nightmarish >soundscapes, lovely twee melodies, skull-rattling skronk, hot-dog Yngwie >Malmsteen on acid licks, brain-licking prog/psych rock . . . or good-old, >flat-out noise. The trio is made up of the regular guitar, bass and drum >lineup--and is fleshed out by loops, toys, devices and beatable objects. >Band members are journeyman drummer/guitarist Tracy Harris (who has played >and worked with members of prog acts Bosch and Red Hush), bassist Willie >Johnson (of noise-core math rockers Vox Humana) and guitarist Jeff McLeod >(formerly of noise rock unit bert and now performing solo under the moniker >of Gezoleen). Stull's new CD is out now on the Subversive Workshop label >and under extrememly limited distro here in the US--and is soon to be >available in Europe via the great Free Land Records of Italy. > >SHHHHHHH consists of ben young, marshall avett, and ben lawless . >the unholy tastes of B and M, banned from both dotties and the red light >cafe with their merciless 1s2s&3s experiment, have been carelessly >underdocumented through their entanglements with eyedrum and old gold. >their dynamic dialogue continues unabated even as marshall branches out into >free jazz (with drummer john bowman) and ben shamelessly plumbs the depths >of pop music with FOREVER. with lawless, also in forever, the two are given >a back drop of fanciful rythmic twists that animate the colors between the >lines of their scattered compositions. as though chris cutler were playing for >war. or vice versa. a styrofoam bath of sweet magical embellishments plague >the reversible foundation of balloon popping sonic tomfoolery. a meeting of >minds in a minefield of unbridled enthusiasm turned callous and confused. > >http://www.pd.org/~zeug/EYEDRUM/eyedrum-sched.html > >BLESS THIS MESS > >Directions: > >EYEDRUM is a not-for-profit space and asks that visitors fork over a small > >donation to help pay rent and support performers in Atlanta and from around > >the country. > > > >Contact EYEDRUM: eyedrum@hotmail.com > >EYEDRUM is located at 253 Trinity Avenue > >(between Forsyth and Spring streets) on the > >first floor in downtown Atlanta. > > > >HOW TO GET THERE: > >**From I-75/I-85 North: Take Exit 93 (M. L. King Jr. Blvd.), follow MLK >west six > >traffic lights to Peachtree St., turn left onto Peachtree, go two lights to > >Trinity Ave., turn right, cross Forsyth St., 253 is on the right, park on left > >for free. > > > >**From I-75/I-85 South: Use HOV Lane exit for Memorial Dr., go straight, at > >second light turn left onto Trinity Ave., drive three blocks, 253 is on the > >right, free parking on the left. > > > >**From I-20 East or West: Exit at Spring Street, go north on Spring, second > >traffic light is Trinity Ave., turn right, park for free on the right, 253 is > >across the street. > > > >On MARTA: Get onto the North/South line and get off at the Garnett Station > >(S1). Go upstairs, and walk out onto Trinity Ave (it's the only way to walk > >out from up there). Turn left on Trinity, cross Forsyth, and 253 is on the > >left. Trains run until 1 a.m. and cost roughly $1.50 per trip. MARTA is > >smarta, but there's safety in numbers. > > > >>From the trainyards: We're located one block east of the Norfolk Southern > >building, southeast > >__________________________________________ >This is not here-- >And now is almost over... >http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ >http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 21:50:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26488; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:50:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:50:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911160232.SAA24086@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:32:43 -0600 Subject: Playing during speeches, etc. From: "Tiktok World HQ" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_v3uj3.0.pI5.q9CCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Once I was scheduled to play during a three-day dance festival. Beforehand, the local public radio station had four of the organizers appear on their morning show for an in-studio interview. They had me come along and play in the control room while they conducted a conference interview. It was interesting in concept, but from a listeners viewpoint they might as well have been playing a CD in the background. Still, any excuse to call in sick to work... TH ---------- >From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #447 >Date: Mon, Nov 15, 1999, 7:48 PM > > Yet more evidence of the power of sound and music. I have been curious to > hear the possibilities a marriage of ambient loop music and spoken word > would present. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 22:39:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05555; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:39:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:39:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3830C7E8.C323964@texas.net> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:56:42 -0600 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" CC: James Rhodes Subject: Bad Clicking on EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5j6Nm3.0.Jp6.mUCCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello edp know-it-alls - a problem has come up here in sleepyville, texas: my edp makes that loud ugly click/thump at the end/beginning of my loop. my feed back is set to about 3:30. this makes me sad as the noise makes this nifty expensive device unusable. long time looper's delight fella james rhodes has started playing with my band and now his edp has started doing this for the 1st time last week. this makes both of us sad. is mine contagious? what can we do to fix this? we are tired of being sad & want to be happy some more. happiness is better. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 22:52:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09010; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:52:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:52:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <0.abc0a3d2.2562273e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:19:26 EST Subject: Gittlers and us... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"M7NTa1.0.aF.wrCCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, Anyone know of who we could go through in order to purchase one of these illusive instruments. Been hunting around for one in the DC area and haven't been too successful. Been looking for a Gittler for no small amount of time now. Thanks again! Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 23:11:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13166; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:11:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:11:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38308EE0.CD3AA072@gis.net> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:53:31 +0100 From: Paul Sullivan Reply-To: paulsull@gis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: re Frissell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DsWgc3.0.sF2.cKDCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I haven't seen him in a few years, but the last time I did he was using an EH 16 sec delay. A recent profile in Guitar Player (sorry) also says he is using the EH unit. I'm curious if he uses the Digitech PDS 8000 (which would match the blue box seen by some) for some gigs (or projects) and the EH for others? Anyone know? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 23:46:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21325; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:46:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:46:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911160043.TAA24960@smtp6.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:15:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Boss VF-1 Resent-Message-ID: <"TY7sR3.0.GW3.XfDCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >what is the address of the japanese roland site with the pic of the unit? Darn, I didn't note it. But if it's just a picture you want, there's one that appears a lot, for instance www.rolandus.com, if I'm not mistaken, or search it at Harmony Central where a Roland press release appears.... David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 15 23:55:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23707; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:55:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:55:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.da8a83fb.256239aa@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:38:02 EST Subject: Digital Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"j23WT3.0.cs4.b_DCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can anyone give me an idea of how much a excellent condition Echoplex with footconroller and max memory would bring on the market? I have three and am considering putting one on Ebay. Response appreciated. MD From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 00:46:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05295; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:46:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:46:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Boss VF-1 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:29:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"7X0x52.0.KA.DkECu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I did get a chance to look thru the manual at Sam Ash today...lots of cool things, such as 24 bit converters, digital out, etc...200 factory presets, a slew of effects. It seems more geared as an all around processor, and not geared toward any specific instrument. There are guitar patches, vocal patches, bass patches, 'groove' patches (aimed at DJ's?), with amp modeling, mic modeling, even pickup modeling. It seems like the maximum delay time is 1.8 secs, which would allow for tiny loops, but the maximum reverb time is 30 seconds- so that could certainly be fun. It also models an old Roland tape echo. There are limitations to the type of effects used with each other though. The 'cool' effects (to me) like flanger, phaser, feedbacker, mono guitar synth, slow gear, slicer (chops up signal by inserting rhythmic silence), vocoder, etc can only be used one at a time per preset. So there is definitely a limit to the mayhem that can be created. Since the unit is menu based (not knob and button based) it may be more suitable for the studio instead of live. Sam Ash price $399 US. I am deciding either on this unit or a used GP-100, which is Roland's super guitar preamp. Anyone have a GP-100 they are thinking of parting with? Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 03:37:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06289; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 03:37:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 03:37:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Digital Echoplex Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:21:10 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <0.da8a83fb.256239aa@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"RsOh_3.0.9l.BGHCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com $3,500.00 | -----Original Message----- | From: Madoud@aol.com [mailto:Madoud@aol.com] | Sent: Monday 15 November 1999 8:38 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Digital Echoplex | | | Can anyone give me an idea of how much a excellent condition | Echoplex with | footconroller and max memory would bring on the market? I have | three and am | considering putting one on Ebay. Response appreciated. MD | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 03:29:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04632; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 03:29:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 03:29:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991116020852.007dcb60@pop.interaccess.com> X-Sender: ths@pop.interaccess.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 02:08:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom S Subject: Re: Boss VF-1 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lAnll3.0.KJ.Z4HCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here is some info: "http://www.rolandus.com/PRODUCTS/MI/BS_SP.HTM#VF-1" At 05:31 AM 11/15/99 -0500, you wrote: >Has anyone come in contact with the new Boss VF-1 half rack FX unit? It >supposedly is full with all kinds of models of vintage FX, including old >echo units. I'm curious if it is possible to do small loops on em, and then >really mangle the loops. > > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 11:01:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31705; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:01:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:01:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:49:28 +0200 Subject: unsubscribe From: Timo Neronen To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3025619368_2521438_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <"2otcf.0.bx6._pNCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3025619368_2521438_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --MS_Mac_OE_3025619368_2521438_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe unsubscribe --MS_Mac_OE_3025619368_2521438_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 11:33:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07220; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:33:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:33:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:15:40 -0600 Subject: Re: Bad Clicking on EDP From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3830C7E8.C323964@texas.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_9h1b.0.Jl.GDOCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know the contact number for the wandering EDP project? Winter is bearing down on us, and I'm eagerly anticipating readily available EDPs. TH > Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:10:57 -0500 > > hello edp know-it-alls - > > a problem has come up here in sleepyville, texas: > > my edp makes that loud ugly click/thump at the end/beginning of my loop. > my feed back is set to about 3:30. > this makes me sad as the noise makes this nifty expensive device > unusable. > > long time looper's delight fella james rhodes has started playing with > my band and now his edp has started doing this for the 1st time last > week. this makes both of us sad. is mine contagious? > > what can we do to fix this? we are tired of being sad & want to be happy > some more. happiness is better. > > bobdog > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 13:19:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31835; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:19:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:19:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991116175213.59076.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.92] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Digital Echoplex Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:52:12 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"F_SyN1.0.HH6.6ePCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not even funny at all Javier. >From: "Javier Miranda V." >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: RE: Digital Echoplex >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:21:10 -0800 > >$3,500.00 > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Madoud@aol.com [mailto:Madoud@aol.com] > | Sent: Monday 15 November 1999 8:38 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Digital Echoplex > | > | > | Can anyone give me an idea of how much a excellent condition > | Echoplex with > | footconroller and max memory would bring on the market? I have > | three and am > | considering putting one on Ebay. Response appreciated. MD > | > | > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 13:30:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02472; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:30:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:30:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:19:45 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, papadave55@hotmail.com Subject: Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"l7UbH3.0.a-7.d2QCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok Travis and others concerned about MIDI on the new TC D-TWO... On the technical specifications at their site... at the bottom of the page under Control Interface is the good MIDI news... Also... Being fond of liquid cash, I've been tempted to off my EDP (as well as make a disgusted political statement about the state of EDP/Gibson affairs in general...) Any serious offers out there? -Miko Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." >>> "David Potter" 11/16 10:14 AM >>> Not even funny at all Javier. >From: "Javier Miranda V." >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: RE: Digital Echoplex >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:21:10 -0800 > >$3,500.00 > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Madoud@aol.com [mailto:Madoud@aol.com] > | Sent: Monday 15 November 1999 8:38 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Digital Echoplex > | > | > | Can anyone give me an idea of how much a excellent condition > | Echoplex with > | footconroller and max memory would bring on the market? I have > | three and am > | considering putting one on Ebay. Response appreciated. MD > | > | > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 13:49:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08415; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:49:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:49:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:39:46 -0600 Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!! From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4tvpJ3.0.aZ1.qLQCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com They've also got their brochure online, but not the manual yet. And I still can't find an MSRP... TH > > Ok Travis and others concerned about MIDI on the new TC D-TWO... On > the technical specifications at their site... at the bottom of the > page under Control Interface is the good MIDI news... > > Also... Being fond of liquid cash, I've been tempted to off my EDP > (as well as make a disgusted political statement about the state of > EDP/Gibson affairs in general...) Any serious offers out there? > > -Miko > > Best Regards, > Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com > "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 13:57:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11191; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:57:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:57:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:50:35 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, hartne.t@apple.com Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"rSJ9b2.0.cK2.ZVQCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com MSRP according to Simon at TC U.S. will be $699.00... he went on to say "street price" should be around $499.00. Guitar Center and Leo's Pro Audio (Oakland, CA.) don't even know about them. But Simon said that both of them have large qty's earmarked for shipping to them... So you'll probably find them most available at these larger outlets. -Miko >>> Travis Hartnett 11/16 10:46 AM >>> They've also got their brochure online, but not the manual yet. And I still can't find an MSRP... TH > > Ok Travis and others concerned about MIDI on the new TC D-TWO... On > the technical specifications at their site... at the bottom of the > page under Control Interface is the good MIDI news... > > Also... Being fond of liquid cash, I've been tempted to off my EDP > (as well as make a disgusted political statement about the state of > EDP/Gibson affairs in general...) Any serious offers out there? > > -Miko > > Best Regards, > Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com > "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 14:39:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22543; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:39:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:39:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:24:09 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ad update... looping gear and more Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id OAA18567 Resent-Message-ID: <"DpxOm.0.UY4.A-QCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK... here's the copy for my latest Harmony Central ad update. I've added the LXP15II and removed sold items. best, Miko ---------------------------------------------------------- Lexicon LXP15II... awesome verbs and great midi control. Excellent condition. $425.00. DOD DFX94 4 second digital delay. Good-Exc in box w/manual. $95.00 Roger Mayer Voodoo 1 Fuzz. Good all around sounds from touch sensitive od to blasting fuzzness. $100.00 Snarling Dogs Super Bawl Whine-O-Wah. Excellent... $90.00 Boss OD2R Dual Overdrive w/FS5U footswitch. $55.00 Ill gladly ship them US Priority Mail COD... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 15:24:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01164; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:24:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:24:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3831BB4F.603E@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:15:11 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Some Zvex pedals for sale... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kJZ8L.0.Pl7.4kRCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A friend of mine is selling off his stock of Zvex pedals from his store and he asked me to post this for him. All pedals are NOS (being sold from ex distributor). I bought a Fuzz Factory myself and it's truly a work of art. I've seen these and they have never been used (and no, I don't get paid for this post either). For more info on Zvex hit up http://www.zvex.com Octane - 11/27/97. Octave Fuzz, Pedal out of Production. $300 Octane - 10/29/97. Octave Fuzz, Pedal out of Production. $300 (Pedalman and such dealers/losers sell these for $500+ now if they get them in used) Super Hard On - 6/7/97 Preamp pedal. $175 He also has two brand new Fuzz factorys (early 98) - $210/each He can be reached at (215) 627-8165 ask for Bob and be sure to leave your number and a message if he's not in. You can also email me here and I'll forward it to him (include your phone#) SERIOUS inquiries only. Thanks! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 15:55:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09157; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:55:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:55:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3831E78B.D2060567@node.net> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:23:55 -0800 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Trace Echoplex? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0Gdzn3.0.kF.HrRCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Friends: Haven't heard tell of this on the list yet -- if I should have heard, boo on me and apologies in advance. On the Gibson website's forum, we read this thread from 11 November '99: "Posted by relations@gibson.com on November 11, 1999 at 17:19:03: In Reply to: Echoplex posted by Jeff Lynch on November 11, 1999 at 13:28:45: : I am curious about the state of the reissued ex-oberheim echoplex. At last posting, I was told that the new model would be released around September or October. Any information? That boomerang is looking better every month. Thanks. Jeff : : Jeff, the Echoplex has been taken over by the Trace Elliot division. I will contact them and see if they have a production date for us. cma" I must say I'm heartened by this development, if it's not a corporate head-fake. Trace Elliot has a decent rep for quality; I found their larger amps underwhelming but a loop-enabled amp would be just shy of overwhelming. Provided Trace Elliot doesn't go the way of Opcode (past decisions _do_ have repercussions, in business as elsewhere), maybe there's hope yet for us holdouts. Since this list is a poor substitute for a non-disclosure agreement, Kim probably can offer no comment...can you? _________________________________________________________________ ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < _________________________________________________________________ P.S. Hope my sig file no longer messes with the digest layout. If it does, I'm back to smoke signals and body language. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 16:40:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21379; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:40:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:40:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:28:00 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: zoom desktop X-Sender-Ip: 164.156.106.66 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Mg1Cy.0.LT4.ToSCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dear list -- for 119.00 you can get a zoom set top fx piece that has leslie, reverb , vibrato , flanger etc. On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:38:02 Madoud wrote: >Can anyone give me an idea of how much a excellent condition Echoplex with >footconroller and max memory would bring on the market? I have three and am >considering putting one on Ebay. Response appreciated. MD > > -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 16:34:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19709; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:34:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:34:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: "synthlist" , "loopers" Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:24:23 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: whammy pedals /true tremolo X-Sender-Ip: 164.156.106.66 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Btlc22.0.CC4.7lSCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dear list: which is best for some one who wants true pitch modulation (tremolo) the digitech whammy pedal,the vibratrem or the bos pitch shift pedal? price is not that much of a factor -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 16:34:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19689; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:34:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:34:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: "loopers" Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:21:05 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: chorus delay echo X-Sender-Ip: 164.156.106.66 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DjzCx1.0.vz3.5iSCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dear list: If i have a dd-5 digital delay with up to 2 seconds of delay do i need a chorus or flanger. cant their effect be had with a particular setting of the delay [pedal. second . -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 17:06:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28474; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:06:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:06:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3831D427.1B3F@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:01:11 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: whammy pedals /true tremolo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9IBNr.0.9g6.OHTCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com mark givens wrote: > dear list: which is best for some one who wants true pitch modulation (tremolo) not ot go over this again but isn't PITCH modulation Vibrato. VOLUME Mod is tremelo. > the digitech whammy pedal,the vibratrem or the bos pitch shift pedal? price is not that much of a factor Dunno about the others but the Boss Pitch shifter I used didn't have a setting where it woudl modualte on it's own, you had to actually dial in the pitch and then it stayed there unless you moved the knob again. they probably have different models (espeically if they've changed them over th eyears) so be sure you get the one you want. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 17:16:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31037; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:16:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:16:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:06:23 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ad update... looping gear and more Resent-Message-ID: <"VzE4b.0.v17.2NTCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Stan... I've been chastised for selling it by a few people now, so I'm going to a/b it one more time with my other verbs... I'll probably have an answer for you Thursday or Friday morn at the latest... You're definitely the first in line for it. *I* still think I'm going to sell it... -Miko >>> "Stan Card" 11/16 2:01 PM >>> Let me take that LXP 15II off you hands.Get back to me please...stanner ---------- >From: "Mike Biffle" >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Ad update... looping gear and more >Date: Tue, Nov 16, 1999, 12:24 PM > > OK... here's the copy for my latest Harmony Central ad update. I've added > the LXP15II and removed sold items. > > best, > Miko > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Lexicon LXP15II... awesome verbs and great midi control. Excellent > condition. $425.00. > > DOD DFX94 4 second digital delay. Good-Exc in box w/manual. $95.00 > > Roger Mayer Voodoo 1 Fuzz. Good all around sounds from touch sensitive od > to blasting fuzzness. $100.00 > > Snarling Dogs Super Bawl Whine-O-Wah. Excellent... $90.00 > > Boss OD2R Dual Overdrive w/FS5U footswitch. $55.00 > > Ill gladly ship them US Priority Mail COD... > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 17:12:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29976; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:12:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:12:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001201bf307e$9836bd40$0f54883e@colins-gear> From: "Colin Seddon" To: Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:55:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"62TO-1.0.5H6.XBTCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Considering you said you'd look out for one for me, this is a bit, like er............. eh? -----Original Message----- From: Javier Miranda V. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: 16 November 1999 08:35 Subject: RE: Digital Echoplex >$3,500.00 > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Madoud@aol.com [mailto:Madoud@aol.com] > | Sent: Monday 15 November 1999 8:38 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Digital Echoplex > | > | > | Can anyone give me an idea of how much a excellent condition > | Echoplex with > | footconroller and max memory would bring on the market? I have > | three and am > | considering putting one on Ebay. Response appreciated. MD > | > | > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 17:29:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01625; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:29:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:29:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911162154.NAA05197@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:58:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Ad update... looping gear and more From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oxW_9.0.DF6.tATCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Let me take that LXP 15II off you hands.Get back to me please...stanner ---------- >From: "Mike Biffle" >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Ad update... looping gear and more >Date: Tue, Nov 16, 1999, 12:24 PM > > OK... here's the copy for my latest Harmony Central ad update. I've added > the LXP15II and removed sold items. > > best, > Miko > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Lexicon LXP15II... awesome verbs and great midi control. Excellent > condition. $425.00. > > DOD DFX94 4 second digital delay. Good-Exc in box w/manual. $95.00 > > Roger Mayer Voodoo 1 Fuzz. Good all around sounds from touch sensitive od > to blasting fuzzness. $100.00 > > Snarling Dogs Super Bawl Whine-O-Wah. Excellent... $90.00 > > Boss OD2R Dual Overdrive w/FS5U footswitch. $55.00 > > Ill gladly ship them US Priority Mail COD... > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 17:26:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01238; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:26:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:26:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001001bf307e$96485ac0$0f54883e@colins-gear> From: "Colin Seddon" To: Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:39:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"DB5do.0.ZG6.UBTCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm looking to buy one. I'll give you $700 for the echoplex and the pedal. I live in the UK so you'll need to add shipping. Cheers, Colin. -----Original Message----- From: Madoud@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: 16 November 1999 04:52 Subject: Digital Echoplex >Can anyone give me an idea of how much a excellent condition Echoplex with >footconroller and max memory would bring on the market? I have three and am >considering putting one on Ebay. Response appreciated. MD > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 18:03:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11118; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:03:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:03:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3831E239.21091DFF@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:01:34 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: chorus delay flange? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"B1DN03.0.EJ2.b4UCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com mark givens wrote: > dear list: If i have a dd-5 digital delay with up to 2 seconds of delay do i need a chorus or flanger. cant their effect be had with a particular setting of the delay [pedal. second . yes. and theoretically yes. i mean i have both the dd-5 and a tc stereo chorus/pitch/flanger, but i haven't really been able to convincingly replicate all the flavors of the latter w/ the former (tho i suppose i haven't needed to :-p); the delay time control on the dd-5 seems to me much too sensitive (read flexible) to make the fine adjustments i can with the tc chorus. also, the tc allows for shifting the width of the modulating waveform, which i sure can't figure out how to do on the dd-5. having said that, as much as i love the tc unit, i find these days i have a lot more use for the dd-5. so if i had to choose between the dd-5 and a chorus/flange/whatever, i'd more likely opt for the dd-5. it's a plush little box! best, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 17:55:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08750; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:55:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:55:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911162249.OAA21534@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:53:40 -0700 Subject: Re: whammy pedals /true tremolo From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7bOwr2.0.kl1.i-TCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com VIBRATO-PITCH TREMELO-VOLUME ---------- >From: Legion >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: whammy pedals /true tremolo >Date: Tue, Nov 16, 1999, 3:01 PM > > mark givens wrote: >> dear list: which is best for some one who wants true pitch modulation (tremolo) > > not ot go over this again but isn't PITCH modulation Vibrato. VOLUME Mod > is tremelo. > >> the digitech whammy pedal,the vibratrem or the bos pitch shift pedal? > price is not that much of a factor > > Dunno about the others but the Boss Pitch shifter I used didn't have a > setting where it woudl modualte on it's own, you had to actually dial in > the pitch and then it stayed there unless you moved the knob again. they > probably have different models (espeically if they've changed them over > th eyears) so be sure you get the one you want. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 19:13:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27749; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:13:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:13:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6ab37e67.25634b4c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:05:32 EST Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"2aGV93.0.wP6.A6VCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/16/1999 3:37:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, gnominus@earthling.net writes: << Subj: RE: Digital Echoplex Date: 11/16/1999 3:37:26 AM Eastern Standard Time From: gnominus@earthling.net (Javier Miranda V.) Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com $3,500.00 | -----Original Message----- | From: Madoud@aol.com [mailto:Madoud@aol.com] | Sent: Monday 15 November 1999 8:38 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Digital Echoplex From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 19:58:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09114; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:58:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:58:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:02:27 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"yeAmS3.0.Tu1.WoVCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Ok Travis and others concerned about MIDI on the new TC D-TWO... On >>the technical specifications at their site... at the bottom of the >>page under Control Interface is the good MIDI news... > >not much of a technical specification. and the bad news is that >it only does "up to" 10 seconds. what is it with people anyway?? > >10 seconds, and it's a dual delay... so 5 seconds each? limp, limp. > >I can't understand these folks. 44.1KHz * 2 bytes = 88.2K/second of >delay time. $10 in commodity chips will get you 4MB, that's 45 seconds >of delay! > >I'd certainly pay an extra $50 for the same box with an extra 45 seconds >of delay. I think most people would do that. Quite a lot of people >(including me!) would pay an extra $100 for an extra minute or so... > > /t I was amazed, too. But remember its not a loop box. They resist... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 19:46:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05191; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:46:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:46:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911170030.TAA06407@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:31:57 -0400 Subject: WANTED From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s6Rk62.0.OJ.TTVCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone have ensoniq eps 16 + for sale? rackmount or keyboard. thanks alot c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 19:36:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02337; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:36:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:36:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.6ab37e67.25634b4c@aol.com> References: <0.6ab37e67.25634b4c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:31:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"ocgtY2.0.0M.tTVCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >In a message dated 11/16/1999 3:37:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, >gnominus@earthling.net writes: > ><< Subj: RE: Digital Echoplex > Date: 11/16/1999 3:37:26 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: gnominus@earthling.net (Javier Miranda V.) > Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > $3,500.00 > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Madoud@aol.com [mailto:Madoud@aol.com] > | Sent: Monday 15 November 1999 8:38 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Digital Echoplex > aha, I see you have found the misprint in this reply. yes, in fact the true price is $350, not $3500. clearly no one would pay $3500 for a unit that originally cost less than 20% of that. do let us know, we'll certainly take them off your hands for a (slight) premium since you're a list member... /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 20:02:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10623; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:02:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:02:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Digital Echoplex Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:48:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <19991116175213.59076.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"Mvnf71.0.V81.hfVCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, he's right - that's how much they go for... good luck finding another purchaser that interested though. How many rich kurzweil factory reps are there? bIz -----Original Message----- From: David Potter [mailto:papadave55@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 9:52 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Digital Echoplex Not even funny at all Javier. >From: "Javier Miranda V." >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: RE: Digital Echoplex >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:21:10 -0800 > >$3,500.00 > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Madoud@aol.com [mailto:Madoud@aol.com] > | Sent: Monday 15 November 1999 8:38 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Digital Echoplex > | > | > | Can anyone give me an idea of how much a excellent condition > | Echoplex with > | footconroller and max memory would bring on the market? I have > | three and am > | considering putting one on Ebay. Response appreciated. MD > | > | > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 20:31:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17904; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:31:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:31:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991116202539.0082f750@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:25:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: Some Zvex pedals for sale... In-Reply-To: <3831BB4F.603E@voicenet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"P2LFK2.0.V44.jGWCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com With all due respect, the Super Hard On, the only "totally necessary" pedal I own, is only $155 at Gaspedal.com, and they are not "blowing out" their line...the fuzz factory is a good price, though... >A friend of mine is selling off his stock of Zvex pedals from his store >and he asked me to post this for him. All pedals are NOS (being sold >from ex distributor). I bought a Fuzz Factory myself and it's truly a >work of art. I've seen these and they have never been used (and no, I >don't get paid for this post either). > >For more info on Zvex hit up http://www.zvex.com > >Octane - 11/27/97. Octave Fuzz, Pedal out of Production. $300 >Octane - 10/29/97. Octave Fuzz, Pedal out of Production. $300 >(Pedalman and such dealers/losers sell these for $500+ now if they get >them in used) > >Super Hard On - 6/7/97 Preamp pedal. $175 > >He also has two brand new Fuzz factorys (early 98) - $210/each > >He can be reached at (215) 627-8165 ask for Bob and be sure to leave >your number and a message if he's not in. >You can also email me here and I'll forward it to him (include your >phone#) > >SERIOUS inquiries only. > >Thanks! > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion >"Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > >Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and >info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > ******************************************************** * Earth is an asylum for angels with amnesia - Emerson * ******************************************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 20:55:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23440; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:55:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:55:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991116204958.007ba870@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:49:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TWG2r2.0.7b5.SeWCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The auctioneer recognizes and accepts Mr. Miranda's offer of $3,500. Going, going... Javier will be sending you a large check, Miko. Tim At 12:39 PM 11/16/99 -0600, you wrote: >> Also... Being fond of liquid cash, I've been tempted to off my EDP >> (as well as make a disgusted political statement about the state of >> EDP/Gibson affairs in general...) Any serious offers out there? >> >> -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 21:28:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31317; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:28:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:28:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.4b113df2.25636b25@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:21:25 EST Subject: Re: Ad update... looping gear and more To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"fFa_w3.0.hI7.W5XCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/16/99 5:38:47 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << OK... here's the copy for my latest Harmony Central ad update. I've added the LXP15II and removed sold items. >> mnm.........are you trying to get money to buy a "peter, paul and mary" songbook...........:)...............mnm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 22:06:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07233; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:06:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:06:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: NoelG26@aol.com Message-ID: <0.c97802b5.25637486@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:01:26 EST Subject: this is odd! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 20 Resent-Message-ID: <"U-j_p1.0.CX1.6hXCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i went to a jazz thing the other night, and the guy was playing with a ROLAND looper of some sort! sorry, but it havent ever seen one of those before, if any of you have, send me a link to some where i can check one out! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 22:50:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17749; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:50:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:50:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911162237.RAA03902@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:48:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: rack/pedalboard unit Resent-Message-ID: <"YnkKq.0.U14.ZKYCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey - If anyone is interested, I'm selling an SKB PS-100 2 rack/pedalboard combo thing. It seems like a good thing for those with a few pedals, a couple rack units, a car, and a love for not switching a bunch of cables around all the time. I decided to go with the GT-3 myself rather than multiple pedals +, so I don't really need it in my small apartment. It was hardly used, and looks pretty brand spanking new to me still. MT From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 23:19:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24602; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:19:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:19:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:03:57 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!! In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"-8YhR.0._O5.hfYCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>>Ok Travis and others concerned about MIDI on the new TC D-TWO... On >>>the technical specifications at their site... at the bottom of the >>>page under Control Interface is the good MIDI news... >> >>not much of a technical specification. and the bad news is that >>it only does "up to" 10 seconds. what is it with people anyway?? >> >>10 seconds, and it's a dual delay... so 5 seconds each? limp, limp. >> >>I can't understand these folks. 44.1KHz * 2 bytes = 88.2K/second of >>delay time. $10 in commodity chips will get you 4MB, that's 45 seconds >>of delay! >> >>I'd certainly pay an extra $50 for the same box with an extra 45 seconds >>of delay. I think most people would do that. Quite a lot of people >>(including me!) would pay an extra $100 for an extra minute or so... >> >> /t > >I was amazed, too. But remember its not a loop box. They resist... > the reason for this is not the price of memory, but the price of processors. DSP processors usually have small address spaces, so they can only access small amounts of memory. The DSP procs that have large address spaces are very expensive, and not likely to be used in low/mid range audio products. The cheap DSP procs have much smaller memory area (usually requiring expensinve sram memory chips), which is why you see them with small loop times. This is why signal processing boxes are usually not well suited for looping. Looping isn't a DSP function, it needs big address area, good address calculation, and good real time operation. It doesn't need dsp. When a looper function is put into a dsp box, it usually has a small loop time and practically no user interactivity, since the architecture of these boxes is not designed for much user interaction. The box is just supposed to sit there running its dsp algorithm on an audio stream, not bounce all around it's memory responding to user inputs. So when you see dsp device touting looping ability, don't get your hopes up too high because it probably won't be that great. Loopers usually are based on low-cost microprocessors, which typically have large address spaces even on the cheap processors. The latest low-end procs have built in SDRAM memory controllers and can access 512MB or more with no additional parts. But these procs are not terribly well suited for DSP, which is why most loopers don't have fancy signal processing along with it. These devices are great for having large memory space and being able to bounce all around the address area at the whim of the user. They can have very responsive types of interfaces, where the user can execute all sorts of commands and functions and the looper responds immediately. They are also built for having lots of control input/output, for buttons, knobs, displays, etc. As the cheap procs continue to get faster and more powerful, you'll probably start seeing some more interesting dsp functions in them, but not on a par with something based on a powerful dsp chip. The best approach is to marry a dsp and a microprocessor together, but that drives the cost up..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 23:44:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30207; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:44:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:44:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383233FB.AA491210@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:50:04 -0500 From: Dick Michaels X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: WANTED References: <199911170030.TAA06407@smtp6.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uwPMh1.0.x47.A5ZCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We have a EPS16+ turbo rack for $695 plus shipping Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC http://www.roguemusic.com Christopher White wrote: > anyone have ensoniq eps 16 + for sale? rackmount or keyboard. > thanks alot > c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 16 23:43:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30141; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:43:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:43:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <0.5aa1a4a2.25638b07@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:37:27 EST Subject: Re: this is odd! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"jsyZt.0.a47.35ZCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com onna coupla (older) records (ie, way back in the early 80's), i used some kinda roland delay for a bitta looping: think it was an SDE3000: there was a man in england who did memory expansion on these thangs: think i passed his contact info on to robby (RA336@aol.com) some moons ago: how's that for dispensing vagaries, eh? hope it helpsya, anyway. best, dt > i went to a jazz thing the other night, and the guy was playing with a ROLAND > looper of some sort! sorry, but it havent ever seen one of those before, if > any of you have, send me a link to some where i can check one out! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 00:03:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02245; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:03:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:03:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.f72567f7.25638f77@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:56:23 EST Subject: Re: gibson/steinberger/echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZwvQN2.0.mE.qMZCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The note by Kim Flint was very informative. I don't follow the industry real close, but I have recently been in the market and have successfully purchased a used Steinberger Guitar w/Transtrem, so I have been doing a lot of looking, watching and waiting.......I noticed now that Steinberger has come out with a new line of guitars, on Yo music.com or something like that and are selling the new line very cheap w/o transtrem. These guitars are dirt cheap. I mean cheap.....My point is that there is a good chance the Digital Echoplex may be a thing of the past or emerge in some new downsized form. That what seems to have happened with Gibson or whoever reintroducing the Steinberger. I admit, I don't know all the facts about Steinberger, but I am not holding my breath waiting on a new top of the line Steinberger. Face it, the Digital Echoplex is a very sophisticated machine and very deep and appeals to a certain type of musician. How were the profit margins on these things and what kind of money did they make the company. with all the small boxes coming out with the ability to loop for short periods and with effects to boot they must be very appealing to the masses......and profitable to the companies. I have a Korg unit with some looping capabilities I bought because I like Korg effects but After using the Echoplex and a 4 minute Boomerang for quite a long time I don't even bother to play with the Korg looping feature. When I bought the Echoplex, I loved it so much I immediately went on the lookout for a backup. comments appreciated. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 00:27:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09476; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:27:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:27:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: torn/vortex-mixer Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:21:41 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf30bb$a13cd7c0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"-345H3.0.ln1.LjZCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all- I want to get some Torn but don't know where to start- I heard a song on the radio that was just guitar and maybe keyboard- like a really soulful blues based thing- anyone know what record this is on? I figure that would be a good place to start- cheers- PS- David, that song was amazing- the guitar playing was wonderful- I was surprised to find it was you b/c of a lack of loops etc- very nice! Cliff PSS- I got my Vortex back from Lexicon and am experimenting with how to set it up- I have 3 aux sends I cant seem to get a stereo output happening. i have 2 mono sends going into the Vortex and one comes back to the L return of 1 loop and 1 comes to the R return of a second effect loop- but i am missing stereo- no panning effects etc are in stereo field- (I have an old Yamaha KM802) Any suggestions appreciated- NOTE- I have been experimenting lots so I'm sure I will stumble upon the soloution eventually- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 01:25:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23905; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:25:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:25:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:18:02 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: gibson/steinberger/echoplex In-reply-to: <0.f72567f7.25638f77@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"VDXeY2.0.Nc5.YaaCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:56 PM -0800 11/16/99, Madoud@aol.com wrote: > The note by Kim Flint was very informative. I don't follow the industry >real close, but I have recently been in the market and have successfully >purchased a used Steinberger Guitar w/Transtrem, so I have been doing a >lot of looking, watching and waiting.......I noticed now that Steinberger >has come out with a new line of guitars, on Yo music.com or something like >that and are selling the new line very cheap w/o transtrem. These guitars >are dirt cheap. I mean cheap..... It's http://www.musicyo.com, and when he says dirt cheap, he ain't kidding... all the steinbergers are around $200....similarly, all the Kramer guitars, under $300, all the slingerland drums - jaw-dropping cheap. (I'm thinking of upgrading my hand-me-down set....) They show the list prices for comparison and they're all about *4 times* higher than the prices listed at music yo... hmmm, can you say factory direct? no middleman, no retailer, no distributor, no tavelin' sales dude..... I think we are seeing the potential of e-commerce landing on the MI industry. 4x is pretty close to the typical difference between manufacturing costs and list prices in the music instrument biz. If you're going to buy it online anyway, why not just buy it straight from the company that makes it, at the factory price? .....and note the musicyo.com brands: steinberger, kramer, slingerland. Yo, if yo can't figure out who sits on the board of that yo company, yo brain is a couple of yo's short of a full yo-yo..... >My point is that there is a good chance >the Digital Echoplex may be a thing of the past or emerge in some new >downsized form. not a thing of the past, not downsized! > That what seems to have happened with Gibson or whoever >reintroducing the Steinberger. I admit, I don't know all the facts about >Steinberger, but I am not holding my breath waiting on a new top of the >line Steinberger. Face it, the Digital Echoplex is a very sophisticated >machine and very deep and appeals to a certain type of musician. How were >the profit margins on these things and what kind of money did they make the >company. the echoplex profit margin was good enough, that's why it's still a living product. (unlike the other stuff on the oberheim roster....) And there's no need to downsize the echoplex any, because the manufacturing costs are already pretty low. But I can tell you that the retailers never really added much to the profit equation. People who buy echoplexes already know about it (from the net or elsewhere) and already know they want it. Selling through retailers usually just meant people had to go calling all the Oberheim dealers to find one with echoplex stock. That always seemed pointless. Selling direct would be an obvious thing for Gibson to do.... that way they could cut enduser prices considerably and even give themselves a bit more profit at the same time. yo..... >with all the small boxes coming out with the ability to loop for >short periods and with effects to boot they must be very appealing to the >masses......and profitable to the companies. I have a Korg unit with some >looping capabilities I bought because I like Korg effects but After using >the Echoplex and a 4 minute Boomerang for quite a long time I don't even >bother to play with the Korg looping feature. When I bought the Echoplex, I >loved it so much I immediately went on the lookout for a backup. comments >appreciated. all those cheapo boxes with limited loop functions just suck people into the fold, get them addicted to the idea of looping....then they want to buy a real looper! heh, its all good..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 03:02:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09355; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:02:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:02:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Tiit Kikas" To: Subject: RE: WANTED Eps 16+ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:54:27 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <199911170030.TAA06407@smtp6.mindspring.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"lGr423.0.M22.L0cCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Christopher! Yes i do have Eps 16+ keyboard version with memory expander for sale, it has got the manual with it and lot of sounds on floppy discs included! Price is 750$(shipping included) Tiit tkikas@yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 03:59:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20617; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:59:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:59:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383269BC.F0828864@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:39:24 +1100 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: vortex memory upgrade? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZnLPT2.0.494.zfcCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all ... due to buying a questionable-condition vortex at a hugely inflated price (and easily one of the best purchases i've made to date ;) the beasty arrived with the service manual instead of the user manual (no complaints) hang onto your chairs 'texter users ... page 4 in the "theory of operation" section: "Audio memory consists of 64K x 4 DRAMs, which provide a total of 2 seconds of delay. The unit may optionally be configured with 256K x 4 DRAMs, with the addition of U10." an 8 second vortex? eeep um that would be er, nice. no other mention is made of this "memory upgrade" except in the actual schematics... the U10's look like they make up an extra bit of the DRAM controller .. part number 74HC125 (what are the little triangles again? capacitors?) ... it looks as though the routing to the DRAM chips must be completely changed to get the 256K's in there... i'm not too sure... U10 is included in the schematics as "spare".. don't know if they're actually inside the box ... getting ye olde 256K DRAM should prove entertaining enough anyway... i've emailed both lexicon and Bob Sellon (of jamman upgrade fame) about this but with no response ... anyone heard of such an upgrade? i'd really like to know if 8 sec / dual 4 sec vortex bliss is possible in this universe ... brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 06:49:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19144; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:49:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:49:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Formentini" To: Subject: R: Digital Echoplex Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:19:55 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <19991117113817.IVJD6118.fep09-svc@gabriele> Resent-Message-ID: <"DRTiT2.0.4D4.8FfCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, this is Luca from Italy. Please keep me informed about pricing of one of your echoplexes. I already have one, but it is lost in Gibson hands for repair, so I would like to keep a spare. Thanks, Luca. better if you reply me at: jo@numerica.it ---------- > Da: Madoud@aol.com > A: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Oggetto: Digital Echoplex > Data: martedì 16 novembre 1999 5.38 > > Can anyone give me an idea of how much a excellent condition Echoplex with > footconroller and max memory would bring on the market? I have three and am > considering putting one on Ebay. Response appreciated. MD From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 07:06:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22430; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:06:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:06:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383299F4.83B51D37@tin.it> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:05:08 +0100 From: Giordano Tavazzi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: jam man rams to increase memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"U4v5B3.0.G75.HZfCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi, this is Luca from Italy. Does anyone have a suggetsion for having some d-rams to increase the delay potential of a jam man? thanks. .... waiting for the new echoplex...! please reply to: jo@numerica.it From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 07:12:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA23387; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:12:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:12:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38329784.2003@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:54:44 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DSP ...(Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4yyFQ3.0.jt4.pSfCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim wrote : > the reason for this is not the price of memory, but the price of > processors. DSP processors usually have small address spaces, so they can > only access small amounts of memory. The DSP procs that have large address > spaces are very expensive, and not likely to be used in low/mid range audio > products. The cheap DSP procs have much smaller memory area (usually > requiring expensinve sram memory chips), which is why you see them with > small loop times. This is why signal processing boxes are usually not well > suited for looping. Looping isn't a DSP function, it needs big address > area, good address calculation, and good real time operation. It doesn't > need dsp. For instance, DJRND2 is totally based upon one single ADSP2105 directly addressing 14 stereo loops simultaneously from one EDO/FPM 16Mbyte RAM module. How is it possible ? => Claimed in my PCT > When a looper function is put into a dsp box, it usually has a > small loop time and practically no user interactivity, since the > architecture of these boxes is not designed for much user interaction. Sure ? > The box is just supposed to sit there running its dsp algorithm on an audio > stream, not bounce all around it's memory responding to user inputs. So > when you see dsp device touting looping ability, don't get your hopes up > too high because it probably won't be that great. Sure ? > > Loopers usually are based on low-cost microprocessors, which typically have > large address spaces even on the cheap processors. The latest low-end procs > have built in SDRAM memory controllers and can access 512MB or more with no > additional parts. But these procs are not terribly well suited for DSP, > which is why most loopers don't have fancy signal processing along with it. > These devices are great for having large memory space and being able to > bounce all around the address area at the whim of the user. They can have > very responsive types of interfaces, where the user can execute all sorts > of commands and functions and the looper responds immediately. They are > also built for having lots of control input/output, for buttons, knobs, > displays, etc. As the cheap procs continue to get faster and more powerful, > you'll probably start seeing some more interesting dsp functions in them, > but not on a par with something based on a powerful dsp chip. The best > approach is to marry a dsp and a microprocessor together, but that drives > the cost up..... Sure ? > > kim > Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 07:52:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30897; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:52:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:52:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3832CE69.731E05BD@columbus.rr.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:48:58 -0800 From: Darrell Jones Reply-To: djones01@columbus.rr.com Organization: Intra Sites X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gibson/steinberger/echoplex References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gAzzr1.0.oK7.3GgCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com These are not real Steinbergers!!! Kim Flint wrote: > At 8:56 PM -0800 11/16/99, Madoud@aol.com wrote: > > The note by Kim Flint was very informative. I don't follow the industry > >real close, but I have recently been in the market and have successfully > >purchased a used Steinberger Guitar w/Transtrem, so I have been doing a > >lot of looking, watching and waiting.......I noticed now that Steinberger > >has come out with a new line of guitars, on Yo music.com or something like > >that and are selling the new line very cheap w/o transtrem. These guitars > >are dirt cheap. I mean cheap..... > > It's http://www.musicyo.com, and when he says dirt cheap, he ain't > kidding... all the steinbergers are around $200....similarly, all the > Kramer guitars, under $300, all the slingerland drums - jaw-dropping cheap. > (I'm thinking of upgrading my hand-me-down set....) They show the list > prices for comparison and they're all about *4 times* higher than the > prices listed at music yo... > > hmmm, can you say factory direct? no middleman, no retailer, no > distributor, no tavelin' sales dude..... I think we are seeing the > potential of e-commerce landing on the MI industry. 4x is pretty close to > the typical difference between manufacturing costs and list prices in the > music instrument biz. If you're going to buy it online anyway, why not just > buy it straight from the company that makes it, at the factory price? > > .....and note the musicyo.com brands: steinberger, kramer, slingerland. Yo, > if yo can't figure out who sits on the board of that yo company, yo brain > is a couple of yo's short of a full yo-yo..... > > >My point is that there is a good chance > >the Digital Echoplex may be a thing of the past or emerge in some new > >downsized form. > > not a thing of the past, not downsized! > > > That what seems to have happened with Gibson or whoever > >reintroducing the Steinberger. I admit, I don't know all the facts about > >Steinberger, but I am not holding my breath waiting on a new top of the > >line Steinberger. Face it, the Digital Echoplex is a very sophisticated > >machine and very deep and appeals to a certain type of musician. How were > >the profit margins on these things and what kind of money did they make the > >company. > > the echoplex profit margin was good enough, that's why it's still a living > product. (unlike the other stuff on the oberheim roster....) And there's > no need to downsize the echoplex any, because the manufacturing costs are > already pretty low. But I can tell you that the retailers never really > added much to the profit equation. People who buy echoplexes already know > about it (from the net or elsewhere) and already know they want it. Selling > through retailers usually just meant people had to go calling all the > Oberheim dealers to find one with echoplex stock. That always seemed > pointless. Selling direct would be an obvious thing for Gibson to do.... > that way they could cut enduser prices considerably and even give > themselves a bit more profit at the same time. yo..... > > >with all the small boxes coming out with the ability to loop for > >short periods and with effects to boot they must be very appealing to the > >masses......and profitable to the companies. I have a Korg unit with some > >looping capabilities I bought because I like Korg effects but After using > >the Echoplex and a 4 minute Boomerang for quite a long time I don't even > >bother to play with the Korg looping feature. When I bought the Echoplex, I > >loved it so much I immediately went on the lookout for a backup. comments > >appreciated. > > all those cheapo boxes with limited loop functions just suck people into > the fold, get them addicted to the idea of looping....then they want to buy > a real looper! heh, its all good..... > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 08:28:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06311; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:28:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:28:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <0.1eb4c7b5.2563fc08@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:39:36 EST Subject: Re: torn/vortex-mixer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"o1Vs11.0.2w6.29gCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com cliff, > I want to get some Torn but don't know where to start- I heard a song on the > radio that was just guitar and maybe keyboard- like a really soulful blues > based thing- anyone know what record this is on? I figure that would be a > good place to start- sounds like it mighta been the piece 'shofar', from 'tripping over god' (cmp records); if so, well, that's 2 guitars..... no keyboards on that one. me, i'd suggest 'what means 'solid', traveller?' (also on cmp), but..... whatever. > PS- David, that song was amazing- the guitar playing was wonderful- I was > surprised to find it was you b/c of a lack of loops > etc- very nice! thanks, but..... seems very unlikely that there was a lack of loops..... maybe they were hiding. lemme know ifya figger out what that piece was; ye can always call the radio-station, eh? > PSS- I got my Vortex back from Lexicon and am experimenting with how to set > it up- I have 3 aux sends I cant seem to get a stereo output happening. i > have 2 mono sends going into the Vortex and one comes back to the L return > of 1 loop and 1 comes to the R return of a second > effect loop- hmmm..... 1) are the mono sends different from each other? if not, thenya only need use one of 'em. 2) why not just use both sides of 1 stereo rtn? > but i am > missing stereo- no panning effects etc are in stereo field- (I have an old > Yamaha KM802) Any suggestions appreciated 3) are ya actually monitoring in stereo; ie, stereo amp? 4) are the effects returns fully panned (try solo-ing each, ta see if they's only on one side, each) etc. best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 08:46:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10750; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:46:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:46:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000401bf3100$2d0c3900$eb9bb8d4@oemcomputer> To: "Loopers delight" References: Subject: Re: GP 100 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:07:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) Resent-Message-ID: <"grvzG.0.fZ1.SsgCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I am thinking about selling my Roland GP100. I am taking offers. thank you! L.A. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 08:58:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13573; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:58:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:58:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6e9e061a.25640d32@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:52:50 EST Subject: Re: gibson/steinberger/echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"a7DF-2.0.413.nDhCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The last time I took my brain out to take a peak it seemed to be looping just fine, but there may be a questionable chip or two. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 09:04:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15131; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:04:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:04:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003201bf3101$deeaee90$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Bad Clicking on EDP Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:44:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"kr0Xw3.0.ib2.66hCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Could this problem be that the DC offset needs adjustment? I thought Kim explained how to adjust this but I can't find it in the archives. Kim? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: James Rhodes Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 10:39 PM Subject: Bad Clicking on EDP >hello edp know-it-alls - > >a problem has come up here in sleepyville, texas: > >my edp makes that loud ugly click/thump at the end/beginning of my loop. >my feed back is set to about 3:30. >this makes me sad as the noise makes this nifty expensive device >unusable. > >long time looper's delight fella james rhodes has started playing with >my band and now his edp has started doing this for the 1st time last >week. this makes both of us sad. is mine contagious? > >what can we do to fix this? we are tired of being sad & want to be happy >some more. happiness is better. > >bobdog > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 09:04:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15670; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:04:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:04:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.4efd9619.25640bdd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:47:09 EST Subject: Re: gibson/steinberger/echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"xnj7A.0.bh2.M8hCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yo I don't care who is on the company boards and could care less and yo how good is the Steinberger , I'd rather pay more for better but if less buys the best I'll go for that.......... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 09:09:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16442; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:09:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:09:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Bizurko@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b9d65011.25640f09@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:00:41 EST Subject: Re: GP 100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"kPfKc.0.3c3.4LhCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm interested; how much do you want? I'm looking at a used one tomorrow, here in Minneapolis, and the seller wants $600 or best offer. david burk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 09:28:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21645; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:28:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:28:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3832B7D5.BAB9811F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:12:37 -0500 From: Dick Michaels X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: jam man rams to increase memory References: <383299F4.83B51D37@tin.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2zmyG2.0.3a3.SKhCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We carry them, the set of 4 chips is $68 plus shipping. Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC http://www.roguemusic.com Giordano Tavazzi wrote: > hi, this is Luca from Italy. > Does anyone have a suggetsion for having some d-rams to increase the > delay potential of a jam man? > thanks. > .... waiting for the new echoplex...! > please reply to: > jo@numerica.it From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 10:20:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01978; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:20:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:20:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.37012398.25641734@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:35:32 EST Subject: Re: torn/vortex-mixer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"xl8aD1.0.Ho5.lrhCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > 2 mono sends going into the Vortex and one comes back to the L return > of 1 loop and 1 comes to the R return of a second effect loop- but i am > missing stereo- no panning effects etc are in stereo field- (I have an old > Yamaha KM802) Any suggestions appreciated- try taking the Vortex O/Ps to a couple of normal mixer I/Ps, and then pan L & R. I had a small fault with the jack sockets on the V (easily fixed) but that was different in effect (the "mono" I/P & O/P tended not to give a mix of both channels). Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 12:02:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26001; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:02:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:02:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:49:05 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: kflint@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"VOy5z1.0.8l5.dpjCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> Kim Flint 11/16 8:15 PM >>> Lots of informative tech stuff deleted... Lots of bitching about short delay time deleted... Lots of presumed feature flaws discussion deleted... I've been raving about having a "10 sec STEREO" regen based delay with a hold function, reverse/chorus/flange/filters/spatial fx. The D-Two fits the bill here for me and furthermore promises GREAT quality and very simple user i/f as well as reverse on the fly, MIDI and multitap capabilities which will make this sound like a drumbox dancing around your head. Yes! This is NOT a looper... But many of us will damn well loop with it... But for those of you who happen to stumble across me or someone else using a Time Machine/PMC42/DL8000R/GT-5 or whatever other delay is being pressed into looper duty, and are amazed by what you hear... then the new TC box may be for you... Get a grip guys... THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ELSE OUT THERE LIKE THE EDP! It's awesome... there are features in there probably no one else will touch for a long time. I'm bothered by the long wait to go stereo. Sick of Gibson's business practices, and frankly not holding my breath waiting for my second EDP. Any of you who can't wait any longer for one can purchase mine from me... but let me warn you. I won't even think of parting with it for less than $1200... and that's maybe a little low considering the distant possibility of not being able to ever get one again. $1500 would be more like it. If you want to wait, great... don't hold your breath. Bitch on brothers... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 12:06:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26988; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:06:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:06:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:27:53 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, tcn62@ici.net Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"vMhIh.0.KZ4.2WjCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow! Now I can buy that Klein I've been lusting after all these years! (Or maybe that second house I've been looking at!) -Miko >>> Tim Nelson 11/16 5:53 PM >>> The auctioneer recognizes and accepts Mr. Miranda's offer of $3,500. Going, going... Javier will be sending you a large check, Miko. Tim At 12:39 PM 11/16/99 -0600, you wrote: >> Also... Being fond of liquid cash, I've been tempted to off my EDP >> (as well as make a disgusted political statement about the state of >> EDP/Gibson affairs in general...) Any serious offers out there? >> >> -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 12:38:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02711; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:38:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:38:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00bf01bf311e$2e695c60$2affdcd1@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:07:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"7u2UE2.0.Sc6.Z2kCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com YIKES sure there are other Vortex owners besides me that are interested in this bit of arcana . . . keep us posted Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: b.knox To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 3:14 AM Subject: vortex memory upgrade? >hi all ... SNIP > >hang onto your chairs 'texter users ... page 4 in the "theory of >operation" section: > >"Audio memory consists of 64K x 4 DRAMs, which provide a total of 2 >seconds of >delay. The unit may optionally be configured with 256K x 4 DRAMs, with >the >addition of U10." > >an 8 second vortex? eeep um that would be er, nice. > >no other mention is made of this "memory upgrade" except in the actual >schematics... >the U10's look like they make up an extra bit of the DRAM controller .. >part number 74HC125 (what are the little triangles again? capacitors?) >... it >looks as though the routing to the DRAM chips must be completely changed >to get >the 256K's in there... i'm not too sure... U10 is included in the >schematics as "spare".. don't know if they're actually inside the box >... getting ye olde 256K DRAM should prove entertaining enough anyway... > >i've emailed both lexicon and Bob Sellon (of jamman upgrade fame) about >this but with no response ... anyone heard of such an upgrade? > >i'd really like to know if 8 sec / dual 4 sec vortex bliss is possible >in this universe ... > >brad > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 12:36:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02328; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:36:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:36:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991117111206.007b5a40@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:12:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: torn/vortex-mixer In-Reply-To: <000001bf30bb$a13cd7c0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"g-eBc1.0.ra3.qFjCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:21 PM 11/16/99 -0800, you wrote: >I want to get some Torn but don't know where to start- I heard a song on the >radio that was just guitar and maybe keyboard- like a really soulful blues >based thing- anyone know what record this is on? I figure that would be a >good place to start- cheers- > mighta been "Rollin' & Tumblin'", a truly fine cover of the old willie dixon tune of off "Tripping Over God". i would suggest you stop whatever you are doing right now and go out and buy "What Means Solid, Traveller?", "Polytown" and Mark Isham's Score for "The Beast". just my opinion, but you'll thanks me. m ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 13:17:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12727; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:17:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:17:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:03:36 -0500 (EST) From: "P. Dawson" X-Sender: sodacap@login6.isis.unc.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jam Man and Vortex for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"W9Jmw.0.uP6.x_jCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com x:no-archive-no Jam Man w/ 30sec. upgrade and one footswitch. It is in exellent condition by my estimation.It does have faint marks around the rack ears. The input knob has a little scratchiness at a certain point of the dial when turning it. Im not sure if this is normal or not .If it is not, I imagine it would be an easy fix I am not going to attempt. It comes with the original box and manual. $ 500.00 or best offer by 10pm Sunday 11/21/99. No trades,Buyer pays shipping Vortex with one footswitch and a Roland EV-5 expression pedal bought new for the unit. It has a decent scratch on top of the unit not visible on the face. It is otherwise in exellent condition. It comes with the original box and manual. $300.00 or best offer by 10pm Sunday 11/21/99 No trades, Buyer pays shipping I would prefer to sell as a pair but will seperate.This is the only electronic posting I have made of this offer, please do not repost.Thanks I can be reached at " sodacap@email.unc.edu " From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 13:36:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17218; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:36:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:36:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38329784.2003@club-internet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:17:24 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: DSP ... DJRND2 and TC Dual Delay... Resent-Message-ID: <"z7FPF.0.va2.JzkCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kims point is great to explain why the cheap multieffect things have short loop times. But the new t.c. two seams to be just a delay, so I'm not sure there is a DSP in it. To comunicate with a cheap CODEC, its almost necessary to use one nowadays, but t.c. maybe does not use a cheap CODEC :-) In the t.c. 2290 and PCM42 neither sound nor sound memory adresses are runing through the processor. It only sets the adresses acording to delay time and then a counter runs through the whole range and the sound just goes in and out all the time. Thats why its possible to expand the memory in the PCM42 by adding counter chips. When we started with the LOOP delay, whe thought a lot about using a ADSP2105, which even in '92 was not very expensive. Taking chances to speak out Dr. Perilles secret ;-) : Since the DRAM has column and row adressing, we can send out each part separately and even save adress register chips. In the future, it will take memory mapping to organize various loops in the big memory. Maybe he did that? Did someone buy the DJRND2? Since at the time, there is no other dedicated looper product available... Its made for DJ and maybe less handy for a instrumentalist (you have to tap tempo before recording, right?), but certainly new ideas would come up... As I understand it has no MIDI, but it syncronizes to the music by analizing it, is that correct? Pretty interesting... How do you say: DJRND2? It looks so twisted... Has it been discussed on the list before? >> the reason for this is not the price of memory, but the price of >> processors. DSP processors usually have small address spaces, so they can >> only access small amounts of memory. The DSP procs that have large address >> spaces are very expensive, and not likely to be used in low/mid range audio >> products. The cheap DSP procs have much smaller memory area (usually >> requiring expensinve sram memory chips), which is why you see them with >> small loop times. This is why signal processing boxes are usually not well >> suited for looping. Looping isn't a DSP function, it needs big address >> area, good address calculation, and good real time operation. It doesn't >> need dsp. > >For instance, DJRND2 is totally based upon one single ADSP2105 directly >addressing 14 stereo loops simultaneously from one EDO/FPM 16Mbyte RAM >module. How is it possible ? => Claimed in my PCT oh, its not a secret? :-) What is PCT? >> When a looper function is put into a dsp box, it usually has a >> small loop time and practically no user interactivity, since the >> architecture of these boxes is not designed for much user interaction. > >Sure ? > >> The box is just supposed to sit there running its dsp algorithm on an audio >> stream, not bounce all around it's memory responding to user inputs. So >> when you see dsp device touting looping ability, don't get your hopes up >> too high because it probably won't be that great. > >Sure ? > >> >> Loopers usually are based on low-cost microprocessors, which typically have >> large address spaces even on the cheap processors. The latest low-end procs >> have built in SDRAM memory controllers and can access 512MB or more with >> no additional parts. But these procs are not terribly well suited for DSP, >> which is why most loopers don't have fancy signal processing along with it. >> These devices are great for having large memory space and being able to >> bounce all around the address area at the whim of the user. They can have >> very responsive types of interfaces, where the user can execute all sorts >> of commands and functions and the looper responds immediately. They are >> also built for having lots of control input/output, for buttons, knobs, >> displays, etc. As the cheap procs continue to get faster and more powerful, >> you'll probably start seeing some more interesting dsp functions in them, >> but not on a par with something based on a powerful dsp chip. The best >> approach is to marry a dsp and a microprocessor together, but that drives >> the cost up..... > >Sure ? >Emmanuel Maybe you did not find the right tone yet to advert your invention, brother Emmanuel. I never did either, it takes at least 3 persons for a good product: - the inventor (sees what shall be working) - the tester (sees what does not work) - the salesman (sees what the public wants) good luck Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 13:21:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13211; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:21:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:21:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911160232.SAA24086@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:18:17 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Playing during speeches, etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"zveBk1.0.ac2.C-kCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tiktok: >Once I was scheduled to play during a three-day dance festival. Beforehand, >the local public radio station had four of the organizers appear on their >morning show for an in-studio interview. They had me come along and play in >the control room while they conducted a conference interview. It was >interesting in concept, but from a listeners viewpoint they might as well >have been playing a CD in the background. Still, any excuse to call in sick >to work... Did you hear the interview while playing? Are you shure you did not interact? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 13:03:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09115; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:03:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:03:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:32:34 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Nemoguitt@aol.com Subject: Re: Ad update... looping gear and more Resent-Message-ID: <"UGPrm.0.Av4.HbjCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com MichaelNOTMiko... remember those Acme Bass Lo-B cabinets I raved about but had to give back to their owner? Well they're finally shipping the 1x10 3-way I've been waiting for. I've already sold enough gear to grab one of the last Korg AM8000r's and ONE Lo-B... It looks like the LXP15 is sold now so there's the second one... Halleleujah! Amen brother! My stereo rig is happening again! Although I've been wondering how to play Puff the Magic Dragon properly for years! -Miko >>> 11/16 6:27 PM >>> In a message dated 11/16/99 5:38:47 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << OK... here's the copy for my latest Harmony Central ad update. I've added the LXP15II and removed sold items. >> mnm.........are you trying to get money to buy a "peter, paul and mary" songbook...........:)...............mnm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 13:44:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19427; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:44:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:44:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:28:55 -0600 Subject: Re: Playing during speeches, etc. From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ibCr52.0.Jn3.9GlCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I heard the interview, I reacted, but in a blind listening test I'm sure the audience couldn't tell the difference between me and a CD. TH > From: Matthias Grob > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:18:17 -0200 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Playing during speeches, etc. > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:15:43 -0500 > > Tiktok: >> Once I was scheduled to play during a three-day dance festival. Beforehand, >> the local public radio station had four of the organizers appear on their >> morning show for an in-studio interview. They had me come along and play in >> the control room while they conducted a conference interview. It was >> interesting in concept, but from a listeners viewpoint they might as well >> have been playing a CD in the background. Still, any excuse to call in sick >> to work... > > Did you hear the interview while playing? > Are you shure you did not interact? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 14:37:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00942; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:37:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:37:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: vortex memory upgrade? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:18:52 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00bf01bf311e$2e695c60$2affdcd1@satellite> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"oyAOf1.0.6p6.twlCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >an 8 second vortex? eeep um that would be er, nice. ermm, I guess so. What are the chances of this being feasible though? Rather, who do I have to kill? bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 14:37:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00949; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:37:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:37:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991117105248.007d2100@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:52:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? In-Reply-To: <383269BC.F0828864@latrobe.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"uLIrf2.0.tr5._ilCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everyone... i am responding to this strand in regards to Bob Sellon. I have also tried to contact him via email about my two jam mans. no response. is there actually an upgrade for these babies? Sellons sight regarding the jam man seems a bit techie and vague to me (i am just an end user after all) and there is no mention of how or where to obtain a jam man upgrade... anybody have any answers? ps. congratualations on you folks who actually got your vortex's to work for you. I am a jam man freak, but that crazy thing was the hardest, most obtuse processor i ever laid my hands on! At 07:39 PM 11/17/99 +1100, you wrote: >hi all ... > >due to buying a questionable-condition vortex at a hugely inflated price >(and easily one of the best purchases i've made to date ;) the beasty >arrived with the service manual instead of the user manual (no >complaints) > >hang onto your chairs 'texter users ... page 4 in the "theory of >operation" section: > >"Audio memory consists of 64K x 4 DRAMs, which provide a total of 2 >seconds of >delay. The unit may optionally be configured with 256K x 4 DRAMs, with >the >addition of U10." > >an 8 second vortex? eeep um that would be er, nice. > >no other mention is made of this "memory upgrade" except in the actual >schematics... >the U10's look like they make up an extra bit of the DRAM controller .. >part number 74HC125 (what are the little triangles again? capacitors?) >... it >looks as though the routing to the DRAM chips must be completely changed >to get >the 256K's in there... i'm not too sure... U10 is included in the >schematics as "spare".. don't know if they're actually inside the box >... getting ye olde 256K DRAM should prove entertaining enough anyway... > >i've emailed both lexicon and Bob Sellon (of jamman upgrade fame) about >this but with no response ... anyone heard of such an upgrade? > >i'd really like to know if 8 sec / dual 4 sec vortex bliss is possible >in this universe ... > >brad > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 14:39:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01938; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:39:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:39:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38330012.4763@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:20:50 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: whammy pedals /true tremolo References: <3831D427.1B3F@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JlySx.0.IA7.f1mCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Darrell Jones wrote: > These are not real Steinbergers!!! This may be a silly question but is that true? Has anyone actually seen these models *anywhere* else or bought one from Musicyo.com. I noticed that they are labeled Spirit but the web site clearly says they are Steinbergers. I also noted the web site mentions the double ball strings and tremelo system but sorely neglects to mention whether they are graphite necks or not which IMO is the main charateristic that separates Steinberger from steinberger copy basses and guitars. I can find no information on this line anywhere on the net. I hit up the Gibson page and Steinbereger isn't even linked there anymore; who is now manufacturing Steinberger guitars. Anyone? I have an Arbor bass "steinberger copy" and have to say I think it's a great bass period and especially worth it for the price. I woudln't say it's the same as a Steinberger though, the neck is wood and that's clearly one big difference but for $229 new even for a copy that seems like a damn good price. Any help appreciated. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 14:43:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02652; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:43:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:43:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:30:11 -0600 Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8w4Wu3.0.6m7.g9mCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just buy a Korg DL8000. For $400 you could have something that works, has MIDI, is feature deep and even has a warranty. TH > From: Jonathan El-Bizri > Reply-To: jbiz@linkexchange.com > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:18:52 -0800 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: vortex memory upgrade? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:26:51 -0500 > > >> an 8 second vortex? eeep um that would be er, nice. > > ermm, I guess so. > > What are the chances of this being feasible though? > > Rather, who do I have to kill? > > bIz > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 15:01:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07463; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:01:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:01:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991117114308.014442f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:43:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: re: steinberger In-Reply-To: <38330012.4763@voicenet.com> References: <3831D427.1B3F@voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1N1Ro2.0.6K.BHmCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:20 PM 11/17/99 -0500, you wrote: >I noticed that they are labeled Spirit but the web site clearly says >they are Steinbergers. I also noted the web site mentions the double >ball strings and tremelo system but sorely neglects to mention whether >they are graphite necks or not which IMO is the main charateristic that >separates Steinberger from steinberger copy basses and guitars. I can >find no information on this line anywhere on the net. I hit up the >Gibson page and Steinbereger isn't even linked there anymore; who is now >manufacturing Steinberger guitars. Anyone? > Looks official: see http://www.gibson.com/products/steinberger/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 15:04:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07999; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:04:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:04:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:41:07 -0600 Subject: re: Real Steinbergers? From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38330012.4763@voicenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2Uy333.0.Qg.VLmCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you dig into the specs on the page, you'll see that all of those guitars are wood body and neck. It appears to be the "Squire" line of Steinberger. A graphite neck is often considered an essential part of the Steinberger equation, although these may still be quite usable guitars. TH > Darrell Jones wrote: >> These are not real Steinbergers!!! > > This may be a silly question but is that true? Has anyone actually seen > these models *anywhere* else or bought one from Musicyo.com. > > I noticed that they are labeled Spirit but the web site clearly says > they are Steinbergers. I also noted the web site mentions the double > ball strings and tremelo system but sorely neglects to mention whether > they are graphite necks or not which IMO is the main charateristic that > separates Steinberger from steinberger copy basses and guitars. I can > find no information on this line anywhere on the net. I hit up the > Gibson page and Steinbereger isn't even linked there anymore; who is now > manufacturing Steinberger guitars. Anyone? > > I have an Arbor bass "steinberger copy" and have to say I think it's a > great bass period and especially worth it for the price. I woudln't say > it's the same as a Steinberger though, the neck is wood and that's > clearly one big difference but for $229 new even for a copy that seems > like a damn good price. > > Any help appreciated. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 16:18:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27650; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:18:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:18:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: whammy pedals /true tremolo Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:11:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38330012.4763@voicenet.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"qrvwX2.0.oI2.gkmCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com True, this is the 'Spirit' line which was reserved for imports made of (gasp) all wood. For this price, I am guessing that they are imports as well, but hey, even the Spirit line sold for over $500 when new. Put some decent pickups in, and you have a cool guitar. Great- see what you've done? I wanna buy one! Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > Darrell Jones wrote: > > These are not real Steinbergers!!! > > This may be a silly question but is that true? Has anyone actually seen > these models *anywhere* else or bought one from Musicyo.com. > > I noticed that they are labeled Spirit but the web site clearly says > they are Steinbergers. I also noted the web site mentions the double > ball strings and tremelo system but sorely neglects to mention whether > they are graphite necks or not which IMO is the main charateristic that > separates Steinberger from steinberger copy basses and guitars. I can > find no information on this line anywhere on the net. I hit up the > Gibson page and Steinbereger isn't even linked there anymore; who is now > manufacturing Steinberger guitars. Anyone? > > I have an Arbor bass "steinberger copy" and have to say I think it's a > great bass period and especially worth it for the price. I woudln't say > it's the same as a Steinberger though, the neck is wood and that's > clearly one big difference but for $229 new even for a copy that seems > like a damn good price. > > Any help appreciated. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 16:37:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31978; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:37:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:37:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:52:32 -0500 (EST) From: Darcy Clark cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: vortex memory upgrade? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"u7dQ31.0.mA5.tMnCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com an 8 second Vortex.....I am getting so excited I can barely type !! ;) please keep me posted on whether this is possible, cheers, Darcy From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 16:21:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28026; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:21:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:21:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <0.37007cfe.256468c1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:23:29 EST Subject: bob bradshaw's address To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"yF93V.0.JH3.CymCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all you gearheads, is there someone out here that might possible know a contact address (web site or phone # etc.) for mr. bradshaw? thanks for helpin in advance! brian electric bird noise http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 16:43:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01580; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:43:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:43:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:06:20 -0500 (EST) From: "P. Dawson" X-Sender: sodacap@login6.isis.unc.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Update: Jam Man and Vortex for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"hqmn.0.T_5.lZnCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com x:no-archive-no This message is from the seller.When I said best offer I meant to imply "best offer over $500". Same goes for the Vortex , "best offer over $300". I wont take anything less than these stated prices.I apologize for any confusion. I dont do much buying or selling of this nature. Thanks On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, P. Dawson wrote: > x:no-archive-no > Jam Man w/ 30sec. upgrade and one footswitch. > It is in exellent condition by my estimation.It does have faint > marks around the rack ears. The input knob has a little scratchiness > at a certain point of the dial when turning it. Im not sure if this is > normal or not .If it is not, I imagine it would be an easy fix I am not > going to attempt. It comes with the original box and manual. > $ 500.00 or best offer by 10pm Sunday 11/21/99. > No trades,Buyer pays shipping > > > Vortex with one footswitch and a Roland EV-5 expression pedal > bought new for the unit. It has a decent scratch on top of the unit > not visible on the face. It is otherwise in exellent condition. It > comes with the original box and manual. > $300.00 or best offer by 10pm Sunday 11/21/99 > No trades, Buyer pays shipping > > > I would prefer to sell as a pair but will seperate.This is the only > electronic posting I have made of this offer, please do not repost.Thanks > > I can be reached at " sodacap@email.unc.edu " > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 16:43:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01546; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:43:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:43:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01bf313c$39d4a820$e090480c@oemc> From: "Michael Davis" To: References: <3831D427.1B3F@voicenet.com> <38330012.4763@voicenet.com> Subject: (off) spirit steinbergers Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:42:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"WpcCA3.0.se4.5GnCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com spirits can be lumped in the " I was made from licensed technology for sears" category. they are made from wood. cheap being the key word. ----- Original Message ----- From: Legion To: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 11:20 AM Subject: Re: whammy pedals /true tremolo > Darrell Jones wrote: > > These are not real Steinbergers!!! > > Any help appreciated. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 16:18:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27662; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:18:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:18:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991117202049.16974.rocketmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:20:49 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Jones Subject: re: steinberger To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"T8m0A3.0.LA3.EvmCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I have a steinberger spirit. Its a great little guitar I bought for $250 at a pawn shop. It doesn't have the trans trem of couse and I believe the neck is maple. The figerboard feels like ebony, but may be some synthetic material. For 200-250, this is a great buy. I like mine because I can stand it on my desk leaning against my rack and can grab it quickly and play while waiting at my computer. This is the guitar that I put an EDP footcontroller across the top. Pretty handy. They also make great little travel guitars. Randy Jones --- Sean wrote: > At 02:20 PM 11/17/99 -0500, you wrote: > >I noticed that they are labeled Spirit but the > web site clearly says > >they are Steinbergers. I also noted the web > site mentions the double > >ball strings and tremelo system but sorely > neglects to mention whether > >they are graphite necks or ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 18:03:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19163; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:03:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:03:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38331A33.E5992CE7@cdm.sfai.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:12:29 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Organization: Center for Digital Media@ The San Francisco Art Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Real Steinbergers? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Resent-Message-ID: <"I2LBd3.0.fF6.1dnCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's no Real Steinberger! Where is the composite graphite neck? The TransTrem®? They're imposters! -- Mark Sottilaro Multimedia Specialist Center for Digital Media San Francisco Art Institute (415) 771-7020 ext. 4411 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 18:05:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19330; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:05:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:05:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:13:24 -0500 (EST) From: Unit Circle Media To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"9nE2V2.0.342.gYoCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just picked up a Korg AM8000 at Guitar Center (they were dumping it, super lucky find!) Are the DL8000 and AM8000 the same? The two are used pretty interchangably on Harmony Central and everywhere else I've seen. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Just buy a Korg DL8000. For $400 you could have something that works, has > MIDI, is feature deep and even has a warranty. > > TH > > > From: Jonathan El-Bizri > > Reply-To: jbiz@linkexchange.com > > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:18:52 -0800 > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: RE: vortex memory upgrade? > > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:26:51 -0500 > > > > > >> an 8 second vortex? eeep um that would be er, nice. > > > > ermm, I guess so. > > > > What are the chances of this being feasible though? > > > > Rather, who do I have to kill? > > > > bIz > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 18:01:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18501; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:01:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:01:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:13:37 -0600 Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XHJxM2.0.wU6.YgnCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd still say that everyone getting worked up at the prospect of a kludged non-MIDI vortex with expanded memory should really look into the Symetrix 606 or Korg DL8000... TH > From: Darcy Clark > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:52:32 -0500 (EST) > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: vortex memory upgrade? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:10:02 -0500 > > > an 8 second Vortex.....I am getting so excited I can barely type !! > > ;) > > please keep me posted on whether this is possible, From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 18:16:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21905; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:16:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:16:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:30:24 -0600 Subject: Korg DL/AM8000 info From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZJI0O.0.r33.GpoCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From their website: http://www.korg.com/toneffects/dl8000r.htm http://www.korg.com/toneffects/am8000r.htm TH -- Tiktok: Austin's Premier One-Man Ambient Band http://home.sprintmail.com/~tiktok/ MP3s available from: www.rollingstone.com www.mp3.com www.austinmp3.com Purchase Tiktok CD's at: https://order.kagi.com/cgi-bin/r1.cgi?UX9&&lang=en From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 18:16:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21961; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:16:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:16:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002b01bf3179$3b909c40$cef44cc1@bruce> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: Subject: R: gibson/steinberger/echoplex Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:55:21 -0500 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"TUrNb.0.JQ1.pMoCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Steinberger Spirit has been around for a few years, generally in the $300-400 range, depending on model and vendor. So the yo-yo price is very good, but not as stunning as suggested. If anyone is curious about the guitar, I have one: all the parts are cheaper versions, but it's a pretty decent instrument, and for the money unbeatable--I replaced the pickups with Barden's and that helped a lot. (The next step up for me wouldn't be a "real" Steinberger but a Klein.) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 18:07:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20231; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:07:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:07:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:28:42 -0600 Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"W0T-Q1.0.ar3.41pCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No, they're not. Korg still has the specs on their website. As I recall, for actual looping the DL8000 was the one to have (10.5 sec of mono delay time, half that in stereo). The AM8000 was a groovy processor, but didn't have the long delay times. TH > From: Unit Circle Media > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:13:24 -0500 (EST) > To: Looper's Delight > Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:24:32 -0500 > > I just picked up a Korg AM8000 at Guitar Center (they were dumping it, > super lucky find!) Are the DL8000 and AM8000 the same? The two are used > pretty interchangably on Harmony Central and everywhere else I've seen. > > Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 18:38:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27561; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:38:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:38:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MyWarNerve@aol.com Message-ID: <0.79100839.2564913e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:16:14 EST Subject: Re: bob bradshaw's address To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"63yTY2.0.vV5.zTpCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Good freakin luck. Rumor has it he's not in the business anymore. A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 18:38:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27721; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:38:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:38:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:23:39 -0600 Subject: Re: bob bradshaw's address From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.79100839.2564913e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"A5rV91.0.Ys5.uapCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I thought he was with CAE now? Custom Audio Electronics 10648 Magnolia Blvd North Hollywood, CA 91601 (818) 763-8898 TH > From: MyWarNerve@aol.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:16:14 -0500 (EST) > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: bob bradshaw's address > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:18:41 -0500 > > Good freakin luck. Rumor has it he's not in the business anymore. > A > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 19:20:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05106; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:20:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:20:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:20:49 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Bad Clicking on EDP In-reply-to: <003201bf3101$deeaee90$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mei201.0.Xu5.0cpCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com bobdawg sez: >>my edp makes that loud ugly click/thump at the end/beginning of my loop. >>my feed back is set to about 3:30. >>this makes me sad as the noise makes this nifty expensive device >>unusable. >>what can we do to fix this? we are tired of being sad & want to be happy >>some more. happiness is better. >> >>bobdog At 5:44 AM -0800 11/17/99, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >Could this problem be that the DC offset needs adjustment? I thought Kim >explained how to adjust this but I can't find it in the archives. Kim? that would be my guess. Indeed I found my previous post about it in the archives: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/LDarchive/199811/msg00303.html but to make it easy, I'll just repost the instructions for setting the dc-offset pot again: ********************************************* This requires that you actually open up the unit, and have it opened with the power on. *Please follow appropriate electrical safety rules!!* If you are not careful and you fry yourself, please don't blame me! There's a trimpot on the PCB, near the left side, by the volume knobs. It's job is to trim a dc offset from a VCA. Sounds like your's is not set right for some reason, which would cause the thump you hear. To set it you need to run one of the built in diagnostic tests. The test basically turns the VCA on and off at about 60Hz, so if there is an offset you can hear the resulting tone in an amplifier. (or see it on a scope, whichever way you like.) While that's going, you adjust the trimmer until the tone/waveform reaches it's mimimum. To get into the trimmer test, Start the unit while holding the Parameter and Record buttons down. Keep them held while the startup screen goes by, until the display shows all t's. Then let go. Should say 7F. Press parameter so the "Keys" LED is lit, then press Insert to start the trimmer test. You should hear a ~60Hz tone in an amp. (turning input volume off, mix to "loop", and the output volume up helps.) The tone will change in level as you adjust the trimpot. Adjust to where the tone is at it's lowest level. (you'll still hear hashy noise sounds, but the 60Hz should become nearly inaudible.) After you set the trimmer, pressing parameter again will stop the test. Then you can turn the echoplex off and power back up normally. ********************************************** I hope this will make bobdog happy again. I guess these instructions should go in the echoplex faq, which seems like a good thing to do while I'm home recovering from surgery this week. (I discovered that while heavily drugged on pain-killers, updating websites is still easy to do. This further confirms my opinion that "webmaster" is the mcdonalds cashier/gas station attendant job of the future....:-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 19:34:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08299; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:34:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:34:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3833448D.4D5F@club-internet.fr> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:13:01 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJRND2 at MUSIC LIVE '99 (UK) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZG3Wy2.0.oe.sGqCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I will demo DJRND2 this weekend at MUSIC LIVE'99 NEC, Birmingham (UK) on 19.20.21 November, stand 201 MAGITEC ltd A good opportunity to come and check it out live ! Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 19:54:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14074; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:54:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:54:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:44:04 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Torns's bluesy playing... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"TJVEx2.0.MB6.VgpCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think it's that short instrumental piece, "shofar" from the tripping over god release and it's also on that best of release from a year ago or so. There's some subtle loops that sound like keyboards or synthesizers and a lovely, room ambiently dry lead guitar playing some keening melodies over the top. I used to listen to that thing over and over again, the feel was really great. Maybe I got the title wrong but there was no drums or bass, just loops and guitar...I'll check when I get back home. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 19:53:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13570; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:53:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:53:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:09:39 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? In-reply-to: <383269BC.F0828864@latrobe.edu.au> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9oUHp.0.8s.sJqCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:39 AM -0800 11/17/99, b.knox wrote: >"Audio memory consists of 64K x 4 DRAMs, which provide a total of 2 >seconds of >delay. The unit may optionally be configured with 256K x 4 DRAMs, with >the >addition of U10." > >an 8 second vortex? eeep um that would be er, nice. > >no other mention is made of this "memory upgrade" except in the actual >schematics... >the U10's look like they make up an extra bit of the DRAM controller .. >part number 74HC125 (what are the little triangles again? capacitors?) >... it >looks as though the routing to the DRAM chips must be completely changed >to get >the 256K's in there... i'm not too sure... U10 is included in the >schematics as "spare".. don't know if they're actually inside the box >... getting ye olde 256K DRAM should prove entertaining enough anyway... > >i've emailed both lexicon and Bob Sellon (of jamman upgrade fame) about >this but with no response ... anyone heard of such an upgrade? > >i'd really like to know if 8 sec / dual 4 sec vortex bliss is possible >in this universe ... I looked at my vortex schematic. If you want to try this, looks like you need to pull out the existing dram chips, U15, U18, U20, U21. Add in 256kx4 drams chips at U16, U17, U19, U22. (They have part# 44256 on the schematic, that may correspond to an actual part. You can probably find them surplus somewhere.) The you add in tristateable buffer chip 74HC125 at U10, which brings out an additional address line to the dram. Whether software will recognize the additional memory is a whole other matter. Looks like fun though, someone should try it and let us know how it comes out. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 20:17:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20226; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:17:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:17:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38334469.4DAB@club-internet.fr> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:12:25 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DSP ... DJRND2 and TC Dual Delay... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sIJIW.0.Cd.OGqCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mathias wrote : > Kims point is great to explain why the cheap multieffect things have short > loop times. > > But the new t.c. two seams to be just a delay, so I'm not sure there is a > DSP in it. To comunicate with a cheap CODEC, its almost necessary to use > one nowadays, but t.c. maybe does not use a cheap CODEC :-) > > In the t.c. 2290 and PCM42 neither sound nor sound memory adresses are > runing through the processor. It only sets the adresses acording to delay > time and then a counter runs through the whole range and the sound just > goes in and out all the time. Thats why its possible to expand the memory > in the PCM42 by adding counter chips. > > When we started with the LOOP delay, whe thought a lot about using a > ADSP2105, which even in '92 was not very expensive. > Taking chances to speak out Dr. Perilles secret ;-) : > Since the DRAM has column and row adressing, we can send out each part > separately and even save adress register chips. > In the future, it will take memory mapping to organize various loops in the > big memory. Maybe he did that? Yes, it deals with memory mapping such a way that a single pointer is only needed to be computed in real time for every loop => maximum polyphony. > > Did someone buy the DJRND2? Yes, I have purchasers > Since at the time, there is no other dedicated > looper product available... > Its made for DJ and maybe less handy for a instrumentalist (you have to tap > tempo before recording, right?), but certainly new ideas would come up... I'm gone into BPM looping orbit > > As I understand it has no MIDI, but it syncronizes to the music by > analizing it, is that correct? Pretty interesting... Not automaticaly, you use headphones to synchronize your tempo in real time (TRIM tempo) > > How do you say: DJRND2? It looks so twisted... DJRND2 stands for DJ RouND sampler 2 > Has it been discussed on the list before? Yes, and Kim has made a sum up about the subject on annihilist site. > > >> the reason for this is not the price of memory, but the price of > >> processors. DSP processors usually have small address spaces, so they can > >> only access small amounts of memory. The DSP procs that have large address > >> spaces are very expensive, and not likely to be used in low/mid range audio > >> products. The cheap DSP procs have much smaller memory area (usually > >> requiring expensinve sram memory chips), which is why you see them with > >> small loop times. This is why signal processing boxes are usually not well > >> suited for looping. Looping isn't a DSP function, it needs big address > >> area, good address calculation, and good real time operation. It doesn't > >> need dsp. > > > >For instance, DJRND2 is totally based upon one single ADSP2105 directly > >addressing 14 stereo loops simultaneously from one EDO/FPM 16Mbyte RAM > >module. How is it possible ? => Claimed in my PCT > > oh, its not a secret? :-) What is PCT? PCT stands for international patent > > >> When a looper function is put into a dsp box, it usually has a > >> small loop time and practically no user interactivity, since the > >> architecture of these boxes is not designed for much user interaction. > > > >Sure ? > > > >> The box is just supposed to sit there running its dsp algorithm on an audio > >> stream, not bounce all around it's memory responding to user inputs. So > >> when you see dsp device touting looping ability, don't get your hopes up > >> too high because it probably won't be that great. > > > >Sure ? > > > >> > >> Loopers usually are based on low-cost microprocessors, which typically have > >> large address spaces even on the cheap processors. The latest low-end procs > >> have built in SDRAM memory controllers and can access 512MB or more with > >> no additional parts. But these procs are not terribly well suited for DSP, > >> which is why most loopers don't have fancy signal processing along with it. > >> These devices are great for having large memory space and being able to > >> bounce all around the address area at the whim of the user. They can have > >> very responsive types of interfaces, where the user can execute all sorts > >> of commands and functions and the looper responds immediately. They are > >> also built for having lots of control input/output, for buttons, knobs, > >> displays, etc. As the cheap procs continue to get faster and more powerful, > >> you'll probably start seeing some more interesting dsp functions in them, > >> but not on a par with something based on a powerful dsp chip. The best > >> approach is to marry a dsp and a microprocessor together, but that drives > >> the cost up..... > > > >Sure ? > >Emmanuel > > Maybe you did not find the right tone yet to advert your invention, brother > Emmanuel. I never did either, it takes at least 3 persons for a good > product: > - the inventor (sees what shall be working) > - the tester (sees what does not work) > - the salesman (sees what the public wants) It is sometimes hard to teach people a new way to loop, but I know most will come in sooner or later. My story sounds to me like a famous U.S Western movie about the man who knew where the railway was exactly supposed to go throw the desert. He had forseen the very place miles around where the train had to go across ... he purchased this place and built a station as tracks were not settled yet ... but he was right, it was the only place miles around in the desert where water could be dig out. Hope I will not finish like this man. > > good luck > Matthias Thank you Matthias From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 21:27:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04291; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:27:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:27:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38334AAB.ECD71BA0@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:39:07 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Ballet mecanique Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OgLax1.0.pK.v1sCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not looping but you might want to listen to the live broadcast of Ballet mecanique tommorrow night 9.15 et. I heard a little bit on NPR this morning and it sounds amazing! All info can be found at this url http://www.wgbh.org/wgbh/radio/balletmec/ jd jd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 21:54:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10555; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:54:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:54:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.3dce11c4.2564c006@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:35:50 EST Subject: i dont take tags off mattrases To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"KnSlf2.0.FZ1.fOsCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/17/99 10:17:34 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << This requires that you actually open up the unit, and have it opened with the power on. *Please follow appropriate electrical safety rules!!* If you are not careful and you fry yourself, please don't blame me! >> and i was begining to want one of these puppies..........:)........ a dumb question, but, what does this "fix" do to the warranty of the "edp"?....is there a warranty?......does it matter?........perhaps when the new and improved "edp" comes out, either mathias or kim or both could put out a niffty instuctional video on it.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 17 21:59:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11509; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:59:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:59:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383364A9.60EA854B@home.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:30:01 -0500 From: Fabio Katz Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Chapman Stick, loops & percussion in Ottawa, Canada Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y-rg73.0.iD1.3IsCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everybody, I'll be playing at the Chapters Pinecrest bookstore in Ottawa, Canada this Friday, November 19 from 8:00 to 10:00 PM. Special guest: Alvaro de Minaya, innovative percussionist from Chile who performs with several jazz and fussion bands in the Ottawa area. Alvaro plays am eclectic world kit. We'll be doing originals and covers (Piazzolla, Bach, Schubert, Gentle Giant, Lennon-McCartney, Santana) arranged for Chapman Stick, loops and percussion. You can visit http://www.geocities.com/fabiokatz to listen to some sample songs. Chapters Pinecrest is located at 2735 Iris Street, next to Ikea. http://www.chaptersglobe.com/Stores/Store.asp?STOREID=2144 Chapman Stick: invented in the early seventies by Emmet Chapman in California, a 12-string instrument played by tapping independently with each hand. Visit Stick Enterprises at http://www.stick.com for more details on the Stick. Hope to see you there! Fabio Katz fabiok@home.com http://www.geocities.com/fabiokatz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 00:13:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08229; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:13:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:13:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991117235923.007aa980@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: coirbidh_99@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:59:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Scott A. Martin" Subject: Re: gibson/steinberger/echoplex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3z4fP3.0.c21.NPuCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On a lark, I emailed MusicYo today to ask about availability - I was concerned that they might sell out of their stock of the Steinberger Spirits before I could steal - er, scrape together the cash to buy one. They are 'in production' (made in Korea, I understand), but the listings on the Website reflect current stock - they don't, for example, currently have the GU-Standard in black (damn!). For what it's worth, I'm interested in owning one even though it's not a "real" Steinberger - I like the look, I hear good things about the trem, and it'd be easier to travel with than any other guitar I own. I'd be interested in investigating Ed Roman's device that (allegedly) allows use of single-ball strings with Steinberger systems...maybe string up with a heavy gauge and tune down to C... =) And I agree with Bruce - the next step up for me would also be a Klein. While I was there, I also mentioned to the folks at MusicYo that, if they could offer deep discounts on a genuine looper, the looping community would beat a path to their door. The response: "We are currently in negotiations for the Oberheim licensing." Start saving your pennies, kids. =) Scott Martin Morrigan Records scott@morriganrecords.com http://www.morriganrecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 00:31:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15501; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:31:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:31:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:22:11 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: i dont take tags off mattrases In-reply-to: <0.3dce11c4.2564c006@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"30SqO2.0.-D3.3tuCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 6:35 PM -0800 11/17/99, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/17/99 10:17:34 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, >kflint@annihilist.com writes: > ><< This requires that you actually open up the unit, and have it opened with > the power on. *Please follow appropriate electrical safety rules!!* If you > are not careful and you fry yourself, please don't blame me! > >> > >and i was begining to want one of these puppies..........:)........ a dumb >question, but, what does this "fix" do to the warranty of the "edp"?....is >there a warranty?......does it matter?........ sheesh Michael, get a grip! Of course there is a warranty on the echoplex, and if you worry about such things don't like DIY maintenance, you can call Gibson Customer Service and they will happily provide you the name of the factory authorized warranty service center near you. They've got places contracted all over the world for this stuff. You can send your echoplex there if that helps you sleep at night. But ya know, some people are happy to replace their own oil and spark plugs, and don't need the dealer when they're a quart low! If you don't want to be one of those self-sufficient types, suit yourself. But there are lot's of people who like to be able to manage these things themselves, that's why we share tech info on lists like this. Why should a simple two-minute job be a big secret that you have to pay somebody else to take care of? There's lots of people on this list who know their way around a screw driver, that's who these tech details are for. Re-setting this dc offset pot on the echoplex is a heck of a lot easier (and safer) than say, re-biasing a tube amp or something. It's not likely to ever be necessary for most people, but you never know. Things get bumped around, parts change characteristics with age. Doesn't hurt to give it a tune up every now and then. >perhaps when the new and >improved "edp" comes out, for the bazillionth and one time, there's no new and improved echoplex coming out! Same hardware is being made, the production is just being restarted in a new facility where they are makeing sure everything is being done properly, with high-quality workmanship. gotta love those brittish engineers. ;-) >either mathias or kim or both could put out a >niffty instuctional video on it.........michael I think Matthias will do that one with his friends down in Brazil, whenever somebody comes up with a video budget. Maybe he'll include some nice scenes of Carnival and his new place in Mata! :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 00:59:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21650; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:59:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:59:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003801bf3188$e5c269a0$73caaec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <3.0.5.32.19991117111206.007b5a40@panther.middlebury.edu> Subject: Re: torn/vortex-mixer Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:50:58 -0800 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"iHGDH2.0.s05.6GvCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I concur with Murkie: What Means Solid Traveler is a wonderful CD. A nice mix of off-the-wall craziness, psuedo-world music, and ambient calm. > At 09:21 PM 11/16/99 -0800, you wrote: > > >I want to get some Torn but don't know where to start- I heard a song on the > >radio that was just guitar and maybe keyboard- like a really soulful blues > >based thing- anyone know what record this is on? I figure that would be a > >good place to start- cheers- > > > > mighta been "Rollin' & Tumblin'", a truly fine cover of the old willie > dixon tune of off "Tripping Over God". > > i would suggest you stop whatever you are doing right now and go out and > buy "What Means Solid, Traveller?", "Polytown" and Mark Isham's Score for > "The Beast". > > just my opinion, but you'll thanks me. > > m > > ===================================================================== > = = > = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = > = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = > = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = > = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = > = = > ===================================================================== > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 01:26:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26580; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:26:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:26:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38339A73.EF78E9FD@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:19:31 +1100 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fWNX3.0.AQ6.-ivCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > > I looked at my vortex schematic. If you want to try this, looks like you > need to pull out the existing dram chips, U15, U18, U20, U21. Add in 256kx4 > drams chips at U16, U17, U19, U22. (They have part# 44256 on the schematic, > that may correspond to an actual part. You can probably find them surplus > somewhere.) The you add in tristateable buffer chip 74HC125 at U10, which > brings out an additional address line to the dram. > thanks Kim !! they wouldn't be the same drams that max out jammans would they? > Whether software will recognize the additional memory is a whole other > matter. this is what has me worried ... it really looks like the hardware upgrade itself is unfinished, very slim chance of the software recognising it ... on the other hand the software seems robust enough in other respects ... maybe it's crazy enough to work ... whether the mod is reversible is yet another whole other matter. > Looks like fun though, someone should try it and let us know how it > comes out. > > kim > yep... wish i had a spare to try it on .. is -fun- the right word ?? :) i don't think i have enough confidence with a soldering iron to launch into this obviously non-trivial mod... if anyone wants to hack around, e-mail me and i suppose i could scan the schematics while the "mission impossible" theme plays in the background .... shhh no one tell lexicon though ... (as if they'd care) ... i think i'll at least open the box up and see if "don't do what you're thinking of doing" is written on the circuit board ... maybe that wouldn't stop me even, har ... if this mod works it could really push the 'texter from the sublime to the ridiculous. brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 02:41:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07231; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:41:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:41:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Digital Echoplex Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:37:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001201bf307e$9836bd40$0f54883e@colins-gear> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"f8Y0S3.0.9b1.WpwCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No, I'm kidding, dude. I was really pissed off last time some idiot paid +$3,000 on E-Bay for an EDP. Relax. Kim says they're on the way. I believe Kimmy, right, dude? Kim? ...Kim? | -----Original Message----- | From: Colin Seddon [mailto:colin@drumbase.freeserve.co.uk] | Sent: Tuesday 16 November 1999 1:56 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex | | | Considering you said you'd look out for one for me, this is a bit, like | er............. eh? | -----Original Message----- | From: Javier Miranda V. | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Date: 16 November 1999 08:35 | Subject: RE: Digital Echoplex | | | >$3,500.00 | > | > | -----Original Message----- | > | From: Madoud@aol.com [mailto:Madoud@aol.com] | > | Sent: Monday 15 November 1999 8:38 PM | > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | > | Subject: Digital Echoplex | > | | > | | > | Can anyone give me an idea of how much a excellent condition | > | Echoplex with | > | footconroller and max memory would bring on the market? I have | > | three and am | > | considering putting one on Ebay. Response appreciated. MD | > | | > | | > | > | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 02:51:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09011; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:51:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:51:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:46:37 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? In-reply-to: <38339A73.EF78E9FD@latrobe.edu.au> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"6udO9.0.R02.VzwCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:19 PM -0800 11/17/99, b.knox wrote: >Kim Flint wrote: >> >> I looked at my vortex schematic. If you want to try this, looks like you >> need to pull out the existing dram chips, U15, U18, U20, U21. Add in 256kx4 >> drams chips at U16, U17, U19, U22. (They have part# 44256 on the schematic, >> that may correspond to an actual part. You can probably find them surplus >> somewhere.) The you add in tristateable buffer chip 74HC125 at U10, which >> brings out an additional address line to the dram. >> > >thanks Kim !! they wouldn't be the same drams that max out jammans would >they? the thing you get for the jammans are memory modules. what you are looking for here are chips. The modules might have these chips on them, they might not. You also might find these chips on old 256K simms that were used in computers 10 years ago or so. Someone familiar with electronics surplus should be able to find these chips no prob. > >> Whether software will recognize the additional memory is a whole other >> matter. > >this is what has me worried ... it really looks like the hardware >upgrade itself is unfinished, very slim chance of the software >recognising it ... on the other hand the software seems robust enough in >other respects ... maybe it's crazy enough to work ... whether the mod >is reversible is yet another whole other matter. my guess is if it doesn't recognize the extra memory, it will just work like it did before. But it might work, ya never know. It could be they were just trying to keep the hardware cost down and never did this option, but it's there in the software. Jon Durant would probably know, if he's actually reading this. I don't see why you couldn't reverse the mod if it doesn't work. Just take out the new chips and put the old ones back in. >> Looks like fun though, someone should try it and let us know how it >> comes out. >> >> kim >> > >yep... wish i had a spare to try it on .. is -fun- the right word ?? :) >i don't think i have enough confidence with a soldering iron to launch >into this obviously non-trivial mod... it's just through-hole parts, probably on a 2 layer PCB. This is actually a really easy job for someone with a bit of soldering experience. Find somebody that knows how to solder and you've got nothing to worry about that I can see. the hard part will more likely be in finding the old dram chips that match the ones on the schematic. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 03:56:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19506; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 03:56:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 03:56:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3833BBC7.D1B20E1E@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:42:02 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: stein's spirit References: <199911180009.TAA02289@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L85da2.0.994.VjxCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey I didn't know of these! I have a question for the owners (e-mail me privately). Id like to know how it looks like and sound, how is the action, any dead spot on the neck, how is the tremolo compared to any blocking one (I mean does it stay in tune?) Is there enough room to have GK2a installed??? Even with the taxes and importation fees, it may be very interesting... Thanbks in advance Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 03:58:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20145; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 03:58:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 03:58:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3833BCCC.E3433139@grape.no> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:46:05 +0100 From: mark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E4Kva3.0.AJ4.GlxCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Do you have your Vortex schematic posted anywhere Kim, I might wanna take a peek myself, but without a map I...er...? might not !! MArk Red Kim Flint wrote: > At 12:39 AM -0800 11/17/99, b.knox wrote: > > >"Audio memory consists of 64K x 4 DRAMs, which provide a total of 2 > >seconds of > >delay. The unit may optionally be configured with 256K x 4 DRAMs, with > >the > >addition of U10." > > > >an 8 second vortex? eeep um that would be er, nice. > > > >no other mention is made of this "memory upgrade" except in the actual > >schematics... > >the U10's look like they make up an extra bit of the DRAM controller .. > >part number 74HC125 (what are the little triangles again? capacitors?) > >... it > >looks as though the routing to the DRAM chips must be completely changed > >to get > >the 256K's in there... i'm not too sure... U10 is included in the > >schematics as "spare".. don't know if they're actually inside the box > >... getting ye olde 256K DRAM should prove entertaining enough anyway... > > > >i've emailed both lexicon and Bob Sellon (of jamman upgrade fame) about > >this but with no response ... anyone heard of such an upgrade? > > > >i'd really like to know if 8 sec / dual 4 sec vortex bliss is possible > >in this universe ... > > I looked at my vortex schematic. If you want to try this, looks like you > need to pull out the existing dram chips, U15, U18, U20, U21. Add in 256kx4 > drams chips at U16, U17, U19, U22. (They have part# 44256 on the schematic, > that may correspond to an actual part. You can probably find them surplus > somewhere.) The you add in tristateable buffer chip 74HC125 at U10, which > brings out an additional address line to the dram. > > Whether software will recognize the additional memory is a whole other > matter. Looks like fun though, someone should try it and let us know how it > comes out. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | -- "In vodka Veritas" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 06:27:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11527; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:27:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:27:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3833E0E0.774383E0@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:20:00 +1100 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Am7-_3.0.Id2.j6-Cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > > the thing you get for the jammans are memory modules. what you are looking > for here are chips. The modules might have these chips on them, they might > not. You also might find these chips on old 256K simms that were used in > computers 10 years ago or so. Someone familiar with electronics surplus > should be able to find these chips no prob. > yep... they're old mitsubishi chips apparently ... be vewy vewy quiet, i'm hunting d-wams. > > my guess is if it doesn't recognize the extra memory, it will just work > like it did before. But it might work, ya never know. It could be they were > just trying to keep the hardware cost down and never did this option, but > it's there in the software. Jon Durant would probably know, if he's > actually reading this. ya never know is right ... i'm more and more inclined to just try it .. i've gone through (all? most? of) Jon's posts in the archives (a tale of wo it be, to be sure)... i'm sure he would have mentioned a memory upgrade at some stage > > I don't see why you couldn't reverse the mod if it doesn't work. Just take > out the new chips and put the old ones back in. > ok... i'm going in ... don't anyone try to stop me ... > > it's just through-hole parts, probably on a 2 layer PCB. This is actually a > really easy job for someone with a bit of soldering experience. Find > somebody that knows how to solder and you've got nothing to worry about > that I can see. the hard part will more likely be in finding the old dram > chips that match the ones on the schematic. > > kim > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 06:43:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14268; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:43:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:43:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991118063918.007ab450@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:39:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: stein's spirit In-Reply-To: <3833BBC7.D1B20E1E@vete.ucl.ac.be> References: <199911180009.TAA02289@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"W1GO9.0.vH3.wM-Cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Way OT, but according to Ed Roman's site, the Steiny Spirit and the Hohner Steinys are made in the same factory, the difference being that the Spirits have a phenolic fingerboard while the Hohners have a wooden fingerboard. Neither of 'em are the "real" deal Steinberger, but the general consensus is they're not at all a bad deal for the price. (BTW, Roman's prices seem very high...) Here's a URL to his Steinberger page where there's lots of other Steiny info: Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 07:38:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24081; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 07:38:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 07:38:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? Date: Thu, 18 Nov 99 07:37:58 -0500 x-sender: jdurant@pop.tiac.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: jdurant To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"C_rim2.0.Zm5.A9_Cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com EEK! My name used in vain!!! Now, it's been a lot of years since I was involved there, and I never had any direct knowledge of the inner workings of the Vortex. But I do know that the answer to the obvious question of memory expansion was always NO. Don't even ask. This does not mean that some folks will find away to stuff all kinds of memory in there, and it might not even blow up. But I'll wager everything I've got left after 12/31/1999 that the software won't recognize it. Reversable? Undo? I wouldn't take that chance, unless I wasn't concerned about not having a Vortex any more. jd >my guess is if it doesn't recognize the extra memory, it will just work >like it did before. But it might work, ya never know. It could be they were >just trying to keep the hardware cost down and never did this option, but >it's there in the software. Jon Durant would probably know, if he's >actually reading this. > >I don't see why you couldn't reverse the mod if it doesn't work. Just take >out the new chips and put the old ones back in. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 08:10:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30138; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:10:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:10:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <017501bf31c4$a614df40$2affdcd1@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:58:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"aW9JN.0.1l6.eV_Cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com oh, MAN . . . that raises an ugly thought to be thunk . . . are my microprocessor loopers Y2K compliant? OOOOOHHHHHHHHH . . . Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: jdurant To: Loopers-Delight Date: Thursday, November 18, 1999 6:41 AM Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? >EEK! My name used in vain!!! > SNIP> >This does not mean that some folks will find away to stuff all kinds of >memory in there, and it might not even blow up. But I'll wager everything >I've got left after 12/31/1999 that the software won't recognize it. >Reversable? Undo? I wouldn't take that chance, unless I wasn't concerned >about not having a Vortex any more. > >jd > >>my guess is if it doesn't recognize the extra memory, it will just work >>like it did before. But it might work, ya never know. It could be they were >>just trying to keep the hardware cost down and never did this option, but >>it's there in the software. Jon Durant would probably know, if he's >>actually reading this. >> >>I don't see why you couldn't reverse the mod if it doesn't work. Just take >>out the new chips and put the old ones back in. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 09:24:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12211; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:24:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:24:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1Jr1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:16:39 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Live Netcast Loop Show Resent-Message-ID: <"sgQVv3.0.Dc2.Vf0Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I am organizing loop live gig, "The Art of Party" http://www.cavestudio.org/loopy/ We will live streaming by Real Video. Meet you Dec.2nd. Reagrds Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 09:21:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11936; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:21:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:21:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3834073D.26DEE90E@texas.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:03:44 -0600 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: stein's spirit References: <199911180009.TAA02289@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3.0.5.32.19991118063918.007ab450@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cBrb91.0.op1.oR0Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ain't this the truth.... > (BTW, Roman's prices seem > very high...) > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 09:21:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11348; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:21:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:21:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.bc982a49.25656342@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:12:18 EST Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"VVKuZ.0.ON2.wb0Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did they really pay 3 grand is so mine will be up today. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 10:08:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21178; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:08:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:08:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.222cedce.256568d0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:36:00 EST Subject: Re: stein's spirit To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"AWSOX2.0.rX3.8y0Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree......found him difficult to work with.......prices did not seem to stay the same. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 10:13:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22385; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:13:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:13:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991118144554.51068.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.88.110.122] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:45:54 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"6Ox6o.0.C44.P51Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Would you sell me one for $750 >From: Madoud@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex >Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:12:18 EST > >Did they really pay 3 grand is so mine will be up today. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 11:06:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01224; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:06:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:06:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.f5fba024.25657885@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:43:01 EST Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"SZfAA2.0.U_6.1x1Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Upfront and honest I have an offer that is better than that. MD From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 11:09:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01796; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:09:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:09:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38342156.5A39@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:55:02 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gibson/steinberger/echoplex References: <3.0.6.32.19991117235923.007aa980@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"74N092.0.hf7.062Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > On a lark, I emailed MusicYo today to ask about availability - I was > concerned that they might sell out of their stock of the Steinberger > Spirits before I could steal - er, scrape together the cash to buy one. > They are 'in production' (made in Korea, I understand), but the listings on > the Website reflect current stock - they don't, for example, currently have > the GU-Standard in black (damn!). Hmm... they don't have the guitars I was looking for either. traded email back and froth at least four times before I got all my questions answered (email only busniesses are always more complicated to deal with) but he did mention he expects a shipment of guitars in "around Christmas" I'm going to check back then and will post what i find out. > For what it's worth, I'm interested in owning one even though it's not a > "real" Steinberger - I like the look, I hear good things about the trem, > and it'd be easier to travel with than any other guitar I own. I'm in the same boat. i have a bass copy and love it for it's playability and easy to gig/take ot a jam size. Been looking for a cheap guitar copy ofr a couple years. At $229 plus shipping+tax it's still not bad for that guitar IMO. HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 11:11:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02456; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:11:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:11:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: stein's spirit Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 07:52:29 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3833BBC7.D1B20E1E@vete.ucl.ac.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"YXITP.0.cS7.832Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, don't forget to tell us all about the strings too! | -----Original Message----- | From: Malhomme [mailto:malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be] | Sent: Thursday 18 November 1999 12:42 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: stein's spirit | | | Hey I didn't know of these! | | I have a question for the owners (e-mail me | privately). | Id like to know how it looks like and sound, | how is the action, any dead spot on the neck, | how is the tremolo compared to any blocking | one (I mean does it stay in tune?) | Is there enough room to have GK2a | installed??? | | Even with the taxes and importation fees, it | may be very interesting... | | Thanbks in advance | | | Olivier Malhomme | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 10:57:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31532; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:57:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:57:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.31dd39a1.25657619@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:32:41 EST Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"jb3cX.0.ZX6.Kn1Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com STAY TUNED From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 11:19:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03888; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:19:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:19:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Digital Echoplex Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 07:55:16 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <0.bc982a49.25656342@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"MoRxf2.0.oe7.m52Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No! This should not be made into a regular rule. There was one man who didn't care about money. There is such people out there. They're called "Sheiks," or "Japanese children of CEO's," or "royalty." They're the ones who pay $25,000 for '61 Strat, or $2.5 million for a painting. One of those paid way too much for an Echoplex -- this doesn't mean that we all have to start paying that kind of money. THIS IS THE PRICE FOR AN ECHOPLEX IN GOOD CONDITION: $600. Am I wrong or not? | -----Original Message----- | From: Madoud@aol.com [mailto:Madoud@aol.com] | Sent: Thursday 18 November 1999 6:12 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex | | | Did they really pay 3 grand is so mine will be up today. | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 11:49:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10681; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:49:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:49:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:26:38 -0600 Subject: FS: Symetrix 606 (harmony central) From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"a34Mx2.0.wR1.rZ2Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Similar to the Korg DL8000. Check Symetrix website for spec details. Dealer Ad: More Gear for sale Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: Here is some more: Symetrix 606 delay $380 <--------------------------- Yamaha F1030 xover $75 BBE DI100 direct box $55 Focusrite Red2 eq $2500 SSL FXG584 comp. $3200 Urei LA4's (2) $500ea Shure SM58 $50 Shure SM57's $45ea AKG C1000 $99 DAL Card D Plus $150 DAL digital only card $95 Peavey MarkIII mixer $500 Spirit 24x8x2 $1200 Opcode studio 64XTC $250 Carver PT1800 amp $700 Ness AB400 accubeam lighting $450ea Farfisa G7 keyboard $1300 Alesis QS7 keyboard $650 Roland JV50 $400 EMU ESI32 turbo $600 Seller: Jon Zielinski, 651-983-9479 E-mail: sinewave@netqwest.com (Profile) Location: SAINT PAUL, MN Post Date: 11/18/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 11:41:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09341; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:41:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:41:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:23:36 -0600 Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Gv5dX1.0.AP1.qY2Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looper's Delight isn't really the forum for a discussion of supply/demand relationships on pricing, but the short answer would be "no". If you can't find anyone willing to SELL you one at that price, then that's not the price. If new Echoplexes were readily available (I pause now to wipe away tears of mirth), then yes, $600 would be a ballpark price for a used Echoplex. But, they're not, so a seller will get what the market will bear, which I suspect is more like $800-1000. TH > From: "Javier Miranda V." > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 07:55:16 -0800 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: Digital Echoplex > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:10:56 -0500 > > THIS IS THE PRICE FOR AN ECHOPLEX IN GOOD > CONDITION: > $600. > Am I wrong or not? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 12:05:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13661; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:05:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:05:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:56:10 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: (off) spirit steinbergers In-Reply-To: <000a01bf313c$39d4a820$e090480c@oemc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"OPR5T2.0.ix2.4_2Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Michael Davis wrote: > spirits can be lumped in the " I was made from licensed technology for > sears" category. they are made from wood. cheap being the key word. Yeah, instruments made from wood suck. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 12:21:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17915; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:21:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:21:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.efedf4d.25658351@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:29:05 EST Subject: sheese michael get a grip To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"3l1Nx1.0.oX1.Ec2Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com actually, ive been trying to loosen up in my old age...........:)............kim, i am aware that many of the folks on the list know their way around the innards of their equipment and i do enjoy reading the many posts about things that i have no understanding of (in hopes of learning).........and yes, i am aware that there are service centers for equipment problems...........i guess my question was, how much tinkering with the unit will effect the warranty (for us faint of heart)...........also, i am sorry for thinking the "edp" would be new and improved, ive no idea where i got that from, perhaps in a dream................."back to my meds" michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 12:29:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20102; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:29:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:29:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.4d32fbcd.25658f9b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:21:31 EST Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"aHBtI2.0.jY4.ON3Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/18/1999 12:01:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, hartne.t@apple.com writes: << Looper's Delight isn't really the forum for a discussion of supply/demand relationships on pricing, but the short answer would be "no". My goodness folks.......... I just happened to stumble on the site........and was curious, a simple question.....I have had some decent chaps write very interested to find something to quench their cravings for looping and music fun...... Certainly wouldn't want to "break a rule" geesh............. I mean welcome to the group............... If you can't find anyone willing to SELL you one at that price, then that's not the price. (profound) If new Echoplexes were readily available (I pause now to wipe away tears of mirth), then yes, $600 would be a ballpark price for a used Echoplex. But, they're not, so a seller will get what the market will bear, which I suspect is more like $800-1000..........thanks. For all you gents and ladies who have not been able to latch on to an echoplex I am going to put one with controller in very good condition up for sale........But as I NOW understand this is not a buy sell forum...........hum.......seen a lot of it frankly if you want to Emai me personally with an offer please do so. I'll probably go to Ebay but your welcome to offer. I will not advertise again on the site......... Have a nice day. MD From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 12:22:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18565; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:22:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:22:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:12:07 -0600 Subject: Re: (off) spirit steinbergers From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xShFj3.0.Vx3.dG3Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That Roman guy's site has an interesting story about how the graphite Steinbergers were by far the cheapest to manufacture, but sold for the highest price. TH > On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Michael Davis wrote: > >> spirits can be lumped in the " I was made from licensed technology for >> sears" category. they are made from wood. cheap being the key word. > > Yeah, instruments made from wood suck. > > -Adam > > --- > "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, > out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one > becomes a Hearer." > - Chandrakirti > > T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t > http://www.darkaether.net/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 13:08:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28383; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:08:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:08:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:57:23 -0500 (EST) From: "P. Dawson" X-Sender: sodacap@login6.isis.unc.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Update:Update: Jam Man and Vortex for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Z4GgS.0.WM6.Ou3Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com x:no-archive-no I made the first posting of this add to the loopers delight mailing list Wendsday 11/17/99. I have since posted it to rec.music.makers.marketplace with the same conditions. Thanks > > On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, P. Dawson wrote: > > > x:no-archive-no > > Jam Man w/ 30sec. upgrade and one footswitch. > > It is in exellent condition by my estimation.It does have faint > > marks around the rack ears. The input knob has a little scratchiness > > at a certain point of the dial when turning it. Im not sure if this is > > normal or not .If it is not, I imagine it would be an easy fix I am not > > going to attempt. It comes with the original box and manual. > > $ 500.00 or best offer by 10pm Sunday 11/21/99. > > No trades,Buyer pays shipping > > > > > > Vortex with one footswitch and a Roland EV-5 expression pedal > > bought new for the unit. It has a decent scratch on top of the unit > > not visible on the face. It is otherwise in exellent condition. It > > comes with the original box and manual. > > $300.00 or best offer by 10pm Sunday 11/21/99 > > No trades, Buyer pays shipping > > > > > > I would prefer to sell as a pair but will seperate.This is the only > > electronic posting I have made of this offer, please do not repost.Thanks > > > > I can be reached at " sodacap@email.unc.edu " > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 12:43:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23388; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:43:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:43:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <017501bf31c4$a614df40$2affdcd1@satellite> References: <017501bf31c4$a614df40$2affdcd1@satellite> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:22:00 -0500 To: From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"HZVJ_1.0.vX4.CN3Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >oh, MAN . . . > >that raises an ugly thought to be thunk . . . > >are my microprocessor loopers Y2K compliant? > >OOOOOHHHHHHHHH . . . I am planning to shut down all my loops just before midnight on Dec 31, in case time flows backwards and I am forced to unplay all my music. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 13:08:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28530; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:08:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:08:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:58:06 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Madoud@aol.com Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex Resent-Message-ID: <"0TAGV1.0.BY6.bw3Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << Looper's Delight isn't really the forum for a discussion of supply/demand relationships on pricing > For all you gents and ladies who have not been able to latch on to an echoplex I am going to put one with controller in very good condition up for sale........ But as I NOW understand this is not a buy sell forum...........hum.......seen a lot of it frankly if you want to Emai me personally with an offer please do so. I'll probably go to Ebay but your welcome to offer. I will not advertise again on the site......... Have a nice day. MD That's not what was said above... We sell stuff here all the time and no one really objects. Hope you get a good price for your looper! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 14:39:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15693; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:39:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:39:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <017501bf31c4$a614df40$2affdcd1@satellite> <017501bf31c4$a614df40$2affdcd1@satellite> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:02:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Backwards Time Flow Resent-Message-ID: <"YfaUR1.0.C92.Au4Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Under a Vortex Subject heading Someone said: >>oh, MAN . . . >> >>that raises an ugly thought to be thunk . . . >> >>are my microprocessor loopers Y2K compliant? >> >>OOOOOHHHHHHHHH . . . > Then Tom Ritchford said: >I am planning to shut down all my loops just before midnight on Dec 31, >in case time flows backwards and I am forced to unplay all my music. > > /t GAWD!!!!! What an awful thought..... Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 16:06:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02774; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:06:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:06:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003301bf3208$1ab28ee0$4898adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Symetrix 606 (harmony central) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:01:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"L7L0m1.0.GO.La6Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com get it--you know you want it . . . you'll lose days of your life to the soulless device ;) BTW Jon is selling for Guitar Center in MN (have dealt with him)--pretty sure he takes CHARGE CARDS (GOONBUYTHE STUPIDLOOPER) . . . drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht (606 owner) hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett To: Looper's Delight Date: Thursday, November 18, 1999 11:07 AM Subject: FS: Symetrix 606 (harmony central) >Similar to the Korg DL8000. Check Symetrix website for spec details. > > > >Dealer Ad: More Gear for sale > >Asking Price: US$N/A >Condition: Excellent >Age: N/A >Description: > > Here is some more: > > Symetrix 606 delay $380 <--------------------------- > Yamaha F1030 xover $75 > BBE DI100 direct box $55 > Focusrite Red2 eq $2500 > SSL FXG584 comp. $3200 > Urei LA4's (2) $500ea > Shure SM58 $50 > Shure SM57's $45ea > AKG C1000 $99 > DAL Card D Plus $150 > DAL digital only card $95 > Peavey MarkIII mixer $500 > Spirit 24x8x2 $1200 > Opcode studio 64XTC $250 > Carver PT1800 amp $700 > Ness AB400 accubeam lighting $450ea > Farfisa G7 keyboard $1300 > Alesis QS7 keyboard $650 > Roland JV50 $400 > EMU ESI32 turbo $600 > >Seller: Jon Zielinski, 651-983-9479 >E-mail: sinewave@netqwest.com (Profile) >Location: SAINT PAUL, MN >Post Date: 11/18/99 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 17:20:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18210; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:20:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:20:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006701bf3209$ef660bc0$476ec8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:14:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"4MLJh3.0.FS1.Kt6Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "But as I NOW understand this is not a buy sell forum...........hum......." I would have to say that pricing is MORE than relevant in regards to looping and other music related items. by keeping this forum open to such things we can all have a better idea of what kind of prices are being paid and how much items are being sound for. your friendly disgruntled postal worker. postaldave@qx.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 18:06:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27478; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:06:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:06:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:31:44 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: vortex/jamman schematics and service manuals In-reply-to: <3833BCCC.E3433139@grape.no> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"rxx_D3.0.sI5.S_7Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:46 AM -0800 11/18/99, mark wrote: >Do you have your Vortex schematic posted anywhere Kim, I might wanna take a >peek myself, but without a map I...er...? >might not !! once upon a time, Lexicon sent me the service manuals and schematics for both jamman and vortex to put on the LD site. Very kind of them. Unfortunately, they are only available as hardcopy, so they need to be scanned and made web-friendly, a job I don't have time for. Three people volunteered at that time to do this job, I said, "great, you're all hired. figure out how you want to divide up the work, cause it's pretty big, send me the resulting files when you are done." One of these guys worked a mile away from me, so I dropped off all the materials at his office on my way to work the next day. Told him to get in touch with the other two and sort it out. He has since vanished off the list and the planet as far as I can tell, never to be heard from again, taking the service manuals with him. Email address bounces. They didn't even find any film buried in a silicon valley toxic waste pit or anything. One of the other volunteers occasionally wants to know why the job isn't done yet!?! (it was partly his job ya think he would know....) Isn't this fun? Fortunately I have been a musician long enough to anticipate the inherent flakeyness of musical types, so I made copies before giving the stuff away. So if there is anybody out there interested in doing this (prefereably in the bay area), with a scanner that you know how to use, a significant amount of spare time, and a desire to see Lexicon history on the web, let me know. If you are prone to flaking out on stuff you volunteer for, please don't! ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 18:12:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28431; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:12:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:12:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3834804D.51CDA1CD@texas.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:40:17 -0600 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Off Topic - GuitaristsOnly - Srinivas Mandolin Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tr20D3.0.jR5.908Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all you boring dorky guitar players - anyone know for certain what tuning u srinivas uses on his mandolin? i'm guessing dadad (spsps for you indian enthusiasts), but would like to know for certain. i got myself a 1/2 size chiquita guitar & would like to set it up as a 5 string. loop content - he plays on dream with m brook. adios, bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 18:38:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01118; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:38:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:38:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383488B3.76A792F8@virtulink.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:16:03 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Off Topic - GuitaristsOnly - Srinivas Mandolin Tuning References: <3834804D.51CDA1CD@texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fqr9j2.0.pF7.Dc8Du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory wrote: > > hey all you boring dorky guitar players - > > anyone know for certain what tuning u srinivas uses on his mandolin? > > i'm guessing dadad (spsps for you indian enthusiasts), but would like to > know for certain. > i got myself a 1/2 size chiquita guitar & would like to set it up as a 5 > string. Mandolins are usually tuned in 5ths like a violin. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * J u x t a p o s i t i o n N e t R a d i o * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 21:33:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14837; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:33:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:33:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3834A01B.651683D1@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:55:55 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Ballet Mecanique Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zChQd.0.GE3.wNBDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com fixing to start. jd http://www.antheil.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 23:07:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04869; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:07:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:07:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3834CACC.5E24846F@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:58:04 +1100 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: lexicon replies! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"stmkZ2.0.Ru.YkCDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com tried lexicon again... sent this: i bought a second hand vortex a while ago that had been repaired at some stage and came with the service manual. the service manual mentions replacing the 64k drams with 256k drams and adding an additional ic component to the memory controller at U10. i am thinking of trying this if i can find the parts. my question is: am i crazy? i suspect the software will not recognise the extra memory. to which someone at lexicon replied: Sorry You are not talking about a Vortex here There is no memory upgrade for this unit What you are reading is for the Jamman A unit we had produced the sametime we made the Vortex So there is no upgrade for your unit If it is indeed a Vortex a very curious response... (no, no shrubberies here) .. anyhow, i opened up the box and the schematics are actually realised on the board. the slot at U10 is there and does indeed introduce an extra address line to the alternative DRAM slots which are sort of "underneath"/between the existing 64k DRAMs. i noticed that i have a vortex v1.10 ROM while the manual lists the part as v1.20. the chances look very slim but its all very interesting. i'm imagining some tech at lexicon sneaking this into the schematics as it doesn't seem to cost a cent. (wait... maybe the extra little bit of trace -did- cost a cent per unit) how hard it would be to sneak the code into the software to recognise the hardware sneak is another matter. after Jon Durant's comments i'm now less inclined to try it... could there be heat related problems? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 18 23:47:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13172; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:47:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:47:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3834D4C7.91B13972@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:40:39 +1100 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: delay -> looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V4JEP.0.o13.RMDDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi again ... just noticed something about my old Boss ps5 power supply/master switch pedal. this is the red one with the two colour led, "guitar" and "amp" on the top and send/returns on the side. in "green" mode the signal just goes from "guitar" to "amp" without being sent through the send/return loop---that only happens in "red" mode stick your favourite long, high regen delay in the ps5's loop and you've effectively got a selective overdub switch. (you need be able to hear the delay output independently though) here's my set up (an offering is made to the god of email formatting): guitar/whatever -------> "guitar" "amp" --------> mixer A ps5 | | send return <------ | | | | | | | | | | V | | input output ----> splitter box delay From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 00:15:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18669; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:15:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:15:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383492AB.EE59CF4D@gis.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:58:43 +0100 From: Paul Sullivan Reply-To: paulsull@gis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: EDP gouging Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jvrXq3.0.gk3.rZDDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Its isn't so much the supply/demand discussions of the edp that bother me as much as the uncharitable nature of some people trying to gouge as much money as possible from others that are desperate for one. If you were lucky enough to get an edp when they were available and have now moved on why not sell it to a fellow looper for what you paid for it (or maybe a slight markup) so they can get the enjoyment and musical fufillment out of it also. Is anyone else getting tired of the endless offers of edps for way more than they cost new? Although some of these may be whimsical, they do have a whiff of greed about them. It's a bit like the haves taunting the have nots ('I got mine, if you want one you'll have to pay through the nose'). If you want to take this route put it on ebay or HC, and lets keep this list to non-profiteering discussions of looping. Just an opinion, take it or leave it. PS From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 03:40:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24288; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 03:40:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 03:40:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38350CFC.9117673E@grape.no> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:40:28 +0100 From: mark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: vortex/jamman schematics and service manuals References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2skyK1.0.Jj5._lGDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Id love to help, but I suspect that the bay area is too far from Oslo in > Norway!! > :) > ;MArk > > So if there is anybody out there interested in doing this (prefereably in > the bay area), with a scanner that you know how to use, a significant > amount of spare time, and a desire to see Lexicon history on the web, let > me know. If you are prone to flaking out on stuff you volunteer for, please > don't! > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | -- "In vodka Veritas" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 07:18:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26587; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:18:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:18:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991119120253.43419.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.90.6.192] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 06:02:52 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"oBPsy.0.G26.aoJDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How do I post >From: Madoud@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex >Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:21:31 EST > >In a message dated 11/18/1999 12:01:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, >hartne.t@apple.com writes: > ><< Looper's Delight isn't really the forum for a discussion of >supply/demand > relationships on pricing, but the short answer would be "no". > My goodness folks.......... I just happened to stumble on the >site........and was curious, a simple question.....I have had some decent >chaps write very interested to find something to quench their cravings for >looping and music fun...... Certainly wouldn't want to "break a rule" >geesh............. I mean welcome to the group............... > If you can't find anyone willing to SELL you one at that price, then >that's > not the price. (profound) If new Echoplexes were readily available (I >pause now to > wipe away tears of mirth), then yes, $600 would be a ballpark price for a > used Echoplex. But, they're not, so a seller will get what the market >will > bear, which I suspect is more like $800-1000..........thanks. > >For all you gents and ladies who have not been able to latch on to an >echoplex I am going to put one with controller in very good condition up >for >sale........But as I NOW understand this is not a buy sell >forum...........hum.......seen a lot of it frankly if you want to Emai me >personally with an offer please do so. I'll probably go to Ebay but your >welcome to offer. I will not advertise again on the site......... Have a >nice day. MD > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 08:39:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08695; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:39:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:39:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.75433ae6.2566abd1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:34:09 EST Subject: Re: (off) spirit steinbergers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"OqK1v1.0.Rv1.l7LDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was on your site last nite. It is very nice. MD From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 11:11:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06472; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:11:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:11:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:51:08 -0600 Subject: FS: Symetrix 606 $300 (harmony central) From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"T4L9C.0.7Z.e8NDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yet another super-Vortex on Harmony Central: FS: Symetrix 606 Delay F/x Asking Price: US$300 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Like new 606 digital delay. Incredibly versatile dual mono or stereo delay unit. Comes with all original docs and manual. Check out the Symetrix web site for more info. $300 firm. Thanks. Seller: Kyle Harris, E-mail: wooftone@uswest.net (Profile) Post Date: 11/18/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 11:31:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11630; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:31:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:31:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:11:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911191611.LAA08177@dot.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"wYy5Z2.0.Xd1.NRNDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #139 November 18, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the DiN label. The feature CD at midnight was "Strange Geographie" by Protogonos. DiN : http://www.DiN.org.uk EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Robert De Fresnes Atlantis Atlantis...? (AD Music) VA [Synergy] Moon Caves Music for the 3rd Millennium (AMP) Alquimia Fleeting Worlds A Separate Reality (AMP) Pyramid Peak Dive Ocean Drive (Invisible Shadows) Cosmic Hoffman Gate of Lahore Part 1 Beyond the Galaxy (Heart and Mind) A Produce & M Griffin Altara Altara (Hypnos) VA [Fanger & Kersten] New Times SpaceTranceTronics 1999 (Manikin) Kevin Keller Awakened Pendulum (Lektronic Soundscapes) Jeff Greinke River of Wood Lost Terrain (Hypnos) 12:00 am Protogonos Strange Geographie Strange Geographie (DiN) Protogonos Lixivium Strange Geographie (DiN) Protogonos Smstsnthine Strange Geographie (DiN) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will conclude the month-long focus on British synthesist Ian Boddy's new label, DiN. The Feature CD at Midnight will be "Autonomic" by Dub Atomica. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 11:55:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17500; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:55:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:55:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004b01bf32ad$60633a70$b34badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Symetrix 606 $300 (harmony central) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:44:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"QODkE2.0.GW3.4uNDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is it really *worth* $300 + shipping though? - Larry -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett To: Looper's Delight Date: Friday, November 19, 1999 11:35 AM Subject: FS: Symetrix 606 $300 (harmony central) >Yet another super-Vortex on Harmony Central: > > > >FS: Symetrix 606 Delay F/x > >Asking Price: US$300 >Condition: Mint >Age: N/A >Description: > > Like new 606 digital delay. Incredibly versatile dual mono or stereo >delay unit. Comes with all original docs and manual. Check out the Symetrix >web site for > more info. $300 firm. Thanks. > >Seller: Kyle Harris, >E-mail: wooftone@uswest.net (Profile) >Post Date: 11/18/99 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 12:35:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25753; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:35:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:35:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282D9C3@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: midi Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:25:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"SBW8Y3.0.jn5.gWODu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, WEll I thought maybe this is worth a try. I trying to locate a rockman midi octopus if anyone has one for sale. Let me know. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 13:12:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00607; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:12:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:12:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:05:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Symetrix 606 $300 (harmony central) From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004b01bf32ad$60633a70$b34badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5nuNe.0.ij7.t5PDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd say if you think a Vortex is worth $200 (typical going price), then a 606 is worth $300. TH > From: L Tremblay > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:44:39 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Symetrix 606 $300 (harmony central) > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:45:39 -0500 > > Is it really *worth* $300 + shipping though? > > - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 13:11:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00415; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:11:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:11:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <019501bf32b7$ef539720$4898adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Symetrix 606 $300 (harmony central) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:59:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"WwwcI3.0.xO7.F0PDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I say yay . . . $300 -400 is the going--the sound quality, even in "lo-fi" is great and teh mods and routing are as flexible as any drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: L Tremblay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, November 19, 1999 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Symetrix 606 $300 (harmony central) >Is it really *worth* $300 + shipping though? > >- Larry > >-----Original Message----- >From: Travis Hartnett >To: Looper's Delight >Date: Friday, November 19, 1999 11:35 AM >Subject: FS: Symetrix 606 $300 (harmony central) > > >>Yet another super-Vortex on Harmony Central: >> >> >> >>FS: Symetrix 606 Delay F/x >> >>Asking Price: US$300 >>Condition: Mint >>Age: N/A >>Description: >> >> Like new 606 digital delay. Incredibly versatile dual mono or stereo >>delay unit. Comes with all original docs and manual. Check out the Symetrix >>web site for >> more info. $300 firm. Thanks. >> >>Seller: Kyle Harris, >>E-mail: wooftone@uswest.net (Profile) >>Post Date: 11/18/99 >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 15:20:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27275; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:20:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:20:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <0.dc78b8ec.256700d2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:36:50 EST Subject: Re: (off) spirit steinbergers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"rJQ2e3.0.iT4.FSQDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, Hate to say it, but the fully graphite versions are actually less expensive to manufacture than the wood ones... Just takes a few seconds to suss this one out. Also, here's a good site which explains this one in a bit more detail. http://www.edromanguitars.com/stbsecrt.htm Anywho, the thing to look at here, is that the Spirits are a good little travel guitar, now if only musicyo had the guitars themselves, vs. the basses available... Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 15:41:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31743; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:41:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:41:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:13:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911192013.PAA11472@dot.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Resent-Message-ID: <"shaLY1.0.2J6.fzQDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice for October, 1999. Shows #135 to #139; 21-October-1999 to 18-November-1999 Reported in alphabetical order by album title. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: >>> billfox@fast.net <<< ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ wEirD - A Different Kind Of Normal - NeuHarmony A Produce & M Griffin - Altara - Hypnos Broekhuis, Keller & Schonwalder - The Anazaal Tapes - Manikin Arcanum - The Ancient Saga - Manikin Detlef Keller - Behind the Tears - Manikin Cosmic Hoffman - Beyond the Galaxy - Heart and Mind Ian Boddy - Box of Secrets - DiN Ian Boddy & Markus Reuter - Distant Rituals - DiN Intelligentsia - Federation - Groove AirSculpture - Fjord Transit - Neu Harmony Arcane - Gather Darkness - Neu Harmony Frank Van Bogaert - Geographic - Groove Dave Fulton - Hard Particles - Eurock Steve Roach - Light Fantastic - Fathom Synthetic Block - The Opposite of Staring into Space - Ironing Board Kevin Keller - Pendulum - Lektronic Soundscapes Rolf Trostel - Recall Level - Manikin Various - Sequences No. 22 - none Protogonos - Strange Geographie - DiN Jiannis & Lambert - Timeless Vision - Spheric From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 16:14:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06371; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:14:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:14:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:30:16 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, paulsull@gis.net Cc: INTERNET#c#gibson.com#c#mayers@svg.com Subject: Re: EDP gouging Resent-Message-ID: <"K1ETW.0.QE7.FFRDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> Paul Sullivan 11/18 9:13 PM >>> wrote: Its isn't so much the supply/demand discussions of the edp that bother me as much as the uncharitable nature of some people trying to gouge as much money as possible from others that are desperate for one. If you were lucky enough to get an edp when they were available and have now moved on why not sell it to a fellow looper for what you paid for it (or maybe a slight markup) so they can get the enjoyment and musical fufillment out of it also. Miko replies... Paul... I haven't "moved on" from the EDP. I've found myself in a cul-de-sac, unable to get the second one I need for stereo function; unable to trust Gibson customer service if it goes south (which the system clock did at the beginning of a theatre gig and was thankfully repaired just before the Oberheim business thing really went down the toilet... thank you Mike Ayers... although I still didn't use it for the gig). I let go of a perfectly fine working JamMan to acquire the EDP. Paul... > Is anyone else getting tired of the endless offers of edps for way more than they cost new? Although some of these may be whimsical, they do have a whiff of greed about them. It's a bit like the haves taunting the have nots ('I got mine, if you want one you'll have to pay through the nose'). If you want to take this route put it on ebay or HC, and lets keep this list to non-profiteering discussions of looping. Just an opinion, take it or leave it. Miko... If that many people are gouging that must be what the market is currently bearing and you must be missing the point Paul. If a transaction takes place, everyone is consenting, so whining about price isn't going to change MY value of this item. I didn't "offer" my EDP for sale... I said I might be tempted if you offered me enough... And I was honest enough to say what it would take to do that... You got INFORMATION! FYI: In the last group buy at Alto Music we paid $660 for EDP and controller, then maxed memory for another $50 or so. I believe I paid around $735 for everything with shipping. If they were readily available, I'd charge top dollar for a mint unit w/maxed memory. You can figure out the rest... til they're back in production, they're worth a whole lot more to both you AND ME. I'm fully aware of the EDP's desirability and useful, cool functions which I use regulary. If it's leaving my rig, it's leaving reluctantly, but I'm getting tired of waiting for a second unit and a llittle worried about the hardware quality and durability AND being able to replace it. It is with a sinking feeling that I explore the idea of dumping the sucker... Because (at this point) it's irreplacable to me, I'm setting my own limits at what I'm willing to accept for a FINITE resource. I'd replace it with *at least* two other loopers, in order to kludge together a stereo looping system with some flexibility... no where near the capabilities of the EDP, but not the freakin' tight rope walk and impasse I'm forced into by Gibson's sad state of affairs. How about just making offers to sellers and see what your reception is. It sounds like you WANT an EDP... I hope MusicYo is selling them for $200 each next month... I'd happily take two. Otherwise you'll be forced to pay what the market will bear. In the meantime I'm looking for some solutions and discussing my possiblities and options with our FRIENDLY group here. You know... where we all talk about loopers. I AM BITTER about the situation with Gibson / Oberheim / Opcode / Steinberger etc. Maybe instead of acting like they're rescuing existing "high tech music" companies, they might do well to stay committed to developing and supporting their own high tech r/d resources and be responsible for their own success and failure rather than buy cool companies and then leave them confused and conflicted about what happened to them (whether they were failing on their own or not). Frankly Opcode stompboxes with Pluggo algorythyms in them sound really cool... but they didn't follow through on that either... Gibson had their own GWIZ labs in Berkeley CA and they managed to blow that operation up... I feel fortunate they I never signed any nda's with them so I can speak freely about this. Most of the people in the know can't for just that reason. This group is fairly polarized about what's going on at Gibson and the poles are widening. If Gibson saw fit to respect and cater to their "valued" customers, they might actually speak up and interact with a few of them here. As a matter of fact, I'm CC'ing this email to Mike Ayers of Gibson customer support to see what he's got to say about this... Maybe he can reassure both you and I that we will indeed see a second EDP in this century and it will be of a higher quality hardware, higher reliability, better availability, and conform to tighter specs than existing models. Is that good enough for you Paul? Attn: Mike Ayers I have a friend with an EDP which in LOOP mode decays to an inaudible level after about 1-2 minutes. ENTIRELY UNACCEPTABLE. Mine decays as well, but at much longer, more acceptable rate... He's faced with calling Gibson who will then, (in Kim's description) refer him to a network of authorized service centers. Now I'm a little skeptical about their familiarity with the EDP, and don't really believe they have the know how or the schematics they need to do the work either. His email address is papadave55@hotmail.com Apologies in advance to the group... -Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 17:23:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20919; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:23:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:23:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991119220102.90274.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.8.16] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP gouging.....echo decay!!! Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:01:01 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"cHcxA2.0.5z3.LZSDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Mike Ayers, Gibson, and EDP users. Thanks for the post Miko. Yes my echo completely disappears after 1 or 2 minutes. Glad Miko checked it out. I have never heard one played befor I bought this one new less than a year ago. I thought this was "how it worked". No wonder I liked my jamman better. It is unacceptable so here I go on the Gibson merry-go-round risking it being fixed by someone who always wanted to work on one of them things. I also have been wondering about selling mine because of the lack of support from Gibson and the likelyhood that another EDP will not soon be arriviing. I will sell it to whoever I want at whatever price the market dictates. It's probably no bodies business but the buyer and me. Haven't decided myself either but it's a great tool except for the echo decaying to quickly. Any of you guys like to try to fix this thing? Ha HA HA!!! Please pass on any repair places you might know of. I'm in Santa Cruz Ca. and go to S.F. frequently...Thanks papadave55@hotmail.com P.S. Perille is sending me a his looper in a few weeks to check it out. Maybe we could have a loop fest and see what his FRench Looper is all about. I am paying for it to be shipped and can return it if I am not totally stoked. I think it's the DJRN2D2 for the vocalist. I post when it arrives. email me at papadave55@hotmail.com Loop On, Om and Out >From: "Mike Biffle" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, paulsull@gis.net >CC: INTERNET#c#gibson.com#c#mayers@svg.com >Subject: Re: EDP gouging >Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:30:16 -0800 > > >>> Paul Sullivan 11/18 9:13 PM >>> wrote: >Its isn't so much the supply/demand discussions of the edp that >bother me as much as the uncharitable nature of some people trying to >gouge as much money as possible from others that are desperate for >one. If you were lucky enough to get an edp when they were available >and have now moved on why not sell it to a fellow looper for what you >paid for it (or maybe a slight markup) so they can get the enjoyment >and musical fufillment out of it also. > >Miko replies... >Paul... I haven't "moved on" from the EDP. I've found myself in a >cul-de-sac, unable to get the second one I need for stereo function; >unable to trust Gibson customer service if it goes south (which the >system clock did at the beginning of a theatre gig and was thankfully >repaired just before the Oberheim business thing really went down the >toilet... thank you Mike Ayers... although I still didn't use it for >the gig). I let go of a perfectly fine working JamMan to acquire the >EDP. > >Paul... > > Is anyone else getting tired of the endless offers of edps for way >more than they cost new? Although some of these may be whimsical, they >do have a whiff of greed about them. It's a bit like the haves >taunting the have nots ('I got mine, if you want one you'll have to >pay through the nose'). If you want to take this route put it on ebay >or HC, and lets keep this list to non-profiteering discussions of >looping. Just an opinion, take it or leave it. > >Miko... >If that many people are gouging that must be what the market is >currently bearing and you must be missing the point Paul. If a >transaction takes place, everyone is consenting, so whining about >price isn't going to change MY value of this item. I didn't "offer" my >EDP for sale... I said I might be tempted if you offered me enough... >And I was honest enough to say what it would take to do that... You >got INFORMATION! > >FYI: In the last group buy at Alto Music we paid $660 for EDP and >controller, then maxed memory for another $50 or so. I believe I paid >around $735 for everything with shipping. If they were readily >available, I'd charge top dollar for a mint unit w/maxed memory. You >can figure out the rest... til they're back in production, they're >worth a whole lot more to both you AND ME. > >I'm fully aware of the EDP's desirability and useful, cool functions >which I use regulary. If it's leaving my rig, it's leaving >reluctantly, but I'm getting tired of waiting for a second unit and a >llittle worried about the hardware quality and durability AND being >able to replace it. It is with a sinking feeling that I explore the >idea of dumping the sucker... Because (at this point) it's >irreplacable to me, I'm setting my own limits at what I'm willing to >accept for a FINITE resource. I'd replace it with *at least* two other >loopers, in order to kludge together a stereo looping system with some >flexibility... no where near the capabilities of the EDP, but not the >freakin' tight rope walk and impasse I'm forced into by Gibson's sad >state of affairs. > >How about just making offers to sellers and see what your reception >is. It sounds like you WANT an EDP... I hope MusicYo is selling them >for $200 each next month... I'd happily take two. Otherwise you'll be >forced to pay what the market will bear. In the meantime I'm looking >for some solutions and discussing my possiblities and options with our >FRIENDLY group here. You know... where we all talk about loopers. > >I AM BITTER about the situation with Gibson / Oberheim / Opcode / >Steinberger etc. Maybe instead of acting like they're rescuing >existing "high tech music" companies, they might do well to stay >committed to developing and supporting their own high tech r/d >resources and be responsible for their own success and failure rather >than buy cool companies and then leave them confused and conflicted >about what happened to them (whether they were failing on their own or >not). Frankly Opcode stompboxes with Pluggo algorythyms in them sound >really cool... but they didn't follow through on that either... Gibson >had their own GWIZ labs in Berkeley CA and they managed to blow that >operation up... I feel fortunate they I never signed any nda's with >them so I can speak freely about this. Most of the people in the know >can't for just that reason. > >This group is fairly polarized about what's going on at Gibson and >the poles are widening. If Gibson saw fit to respect and cater to >their "valued" customers, they might actually speak up and interact >with a few of them here. As a matter of fact, I'm CC'ing this email to >Mike Ayers of Gibson customer support to see what he's got to say >about this... Maybe he can reassure both you and I that we will indeed >see a second EDP in this century and it will be of a higher quality >hardware, higher reliability, better availability, and conform to >tighter specs than existing models. Is that good enough for you Paul? > > >Attn: Mike Ayers >I have a friend with an EDP which in LOOP mode decays to an inaudible >level after about 1-2 minutes. ENTIRELY UNACCEPTABLE. Mine decays as >well, but at much longer, more acceptable rate... He's faced with >calling Gibson who will then, (in Kim's description) refer him to a >network of authorized service centers. Now I'm a little skeptical >about their familiarity with the EDP, and don't really believe they >have the know how or the schematics they need to do the work either. >His email address is papadave55@hotmail.com > >Apologies in advance to the group... >-Miko Biffle > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 17:37:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23247; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:37:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:37:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: (off) spirit steinbergers Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:38:59 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <0.dc78b8ec.256700d2@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"-4psX1.0.oS5.E0TDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As far a reliability of MusicYo...I ordered on two days ago and I just got notification that it shipped (with the tracking info). -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 18:14:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30932; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:14:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:14:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991119220102.90274.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 03:11:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: EDP gouging.....echo decay --> DJRN2D2 Resent-Message-ID: <"oATxn1.0.dG7.lXTDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >P.S. Perille is sending me a his looper in a few weeks to check it out. >Maybe we could have a loop fest and see what his FRench Looper is all about. > I am paying for it to be shipped and can return it if I am not totally >stoked. I think it's the DJRN2D2 for the vocalist. I post when it arrives. > email me at papadave55@hotmail.com > Emmanuel sent me his looper last year....i checked it out, and probably should have commented on it on this list....anyways, it worked nicely, the buttons worked well, and i found myself using it simliar to the mixman software (or the new beatnik interactive stuff), that is, I would get loops in there, and then perform by muting/unmuting the various tracks. The downside was the lack of MIDI sync, and I don't remember there being an audio signal sync, although I might have missed that. I probably would have bought one, if it had that capability. - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 18:10:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30259; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:10:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:10:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3834D4C7.91B13972@latrobe.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:14:44 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: delay -> looper Resent-Message-ID: <"SLd-C1.0.LD7.TWTDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ... >stick your favourite long, high regen delay in the ps5's loop and you've >effectively got a selective overdub switch. I am happy you typed this subject, Dr. Knox. Some of the last posts about t.c. and such leave the impression that any delay is a looper as long as it has enough delay time (and is stereo?!). But a delay unit repeats all the time! "selective overdub" is certainly a characteristic of a looper, but not the only one... ---> what turns a delay into a loop unit? I think, the most important is a tempo tap that SIMULTANEOUSLY records what is played between the taps, and only starts repeating AFTER, and does not repeat anything played BEFORE the tempo is set. Without this feature, you can create nice loops, but its hard to start them nicely. I went through this, using the Roland 3000, t.c. 2290 and PCM42 on stage in the 80ies. An external "overdub" switch as Knox suggests (and I used then), helps a lot, but its still a mess, unless you manage to operate tap and overdub simultaneously or just start with non rhythmic loops. Due to this, I relaxed a lot on stage when the LOOP delay finally worked... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 19:22:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11775; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:22:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:22:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000001bf32ec$bbba90a0$7b1c883e@oemcomputer> From: "renaldo mckim" To: "loopers-delight" Subject: hello Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:13:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF32EC.0B3422A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"7T9jB1.0.Sk2.uZUDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF32EC.0B3422A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi everyone i have been on the list about a month now just looking and = learning but now i have a couple of questions i hope some of you can = answer. will the new boomerang features be available as an upgrade for the = original boomerang ? will the echoplexes be made by trace elliot in the u.k. or do they have = a factory in the u.s. also ? thanks renaldo ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF32EC.0B3422A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi everyone i have been on the list = about a=20 month now just looking and learning but now i have a couple of questions = i hope=20 some of you can answer.
will the new boomerang features be = available as=20 an upgrade for the original boomerang ?
will the echoplexes be made by trace elliot in the = u.k. or do=20 they have a factory in the u.s. also ?
thanks renaldo
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF32EC.0B3422A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 19:14:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10159; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:14:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:14:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:49:44 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: MusicYo and Spirit... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id SAA05701 Resent-Message-ID: <"nbw9b3.0.PP1.69UDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yesterday we all saw guitars AND basses on the MusicYo site right? I only see basses listed today! Is that what you're all seeing as well? Did our excitement and a few inquiries about items they might not have had in stock prompt them to remove them or what?!$@? Will they continue to make the guitars available? -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 19 19:28:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13181; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:28:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:28:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991119162821.0150b670@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:28:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: Re: MusicYo and Spirit... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1_1cr1.0.R43.ceUDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's mention somewhere that they only list what is actually in stock. Here are links to the missing guitars: http://www.musicyo.com/product.asp?dept%5Fid=3&pf%5Fid=044 http://www.musicyo.com/product.asp?dept%5Fid=3&pf%5Fid=045 http://www.musicyo.com/product.asp?dept%5Fid=3&pf%5Fid=046 http://www.musicyo.com/product.asp?dept%5Fid=3&pf%5Fid=051 http://www.musicyo.com/product.asp?dept%5Fid=3&pf%5Fid=052 sean At 03:49 PM 11/19/99 -0800, you wrote: >Yesterday we all saw guitars AND basses on the MusicYo site right? I only see basses listed today! Is that what you're all seeing as well? Did our excitement and a few inquiries about items they might not have had in stock prompt them to remove them or what?!$@? Will they continue to make the guitars available? > >-Miko > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 20 02:18:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32475; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 02:18:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 02:18:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38364965.1D3BC002@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:10:29 +1100 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delay -> looper References: <3834D4C7.91B13972@latrobe.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QG_bV.0.xf7.BfaDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "b.knox" wrote: > > > guitar/whatever -------> "guitar" "amp" --------> mixer > A > ps5 | > | > send return <------ | > | | | > | | | > | | | > V | | > input output ----> splitter box > > delay better is: 1 guitar/whatever -------> "guitar" "amp" --------> mixer A psm5 | 2 | send return | | A | | | | | | | V | | splitter ---> input output delay with no direct signal in the delay. that way input "1" into the mixer is always the guitar/whatever and input "2" is always the delay .. and it's a PSM5 by the way not a PS5... because its a Boss pedal that turns out to be useful they probably don't make them anymore. i think they make a "line selector" pedal that does the same sort of thing. Mathias Grob wrote: > Some of the last posts about t.c. and such leave the impression that any > delay is a looper as long as it has enough delay time (and is stereo?!). > But a delay unit repeats all the time! > > "selective overdub" is certainly a characteristic of a looper, but not the > only one... > > ---> what turns a delay into a loop unit? ... true infinite repeat has be there for a start too.. i think selective overdub for me is the number one characteristic of a looper though... it turns the delayed material into something "seperate" that can be added to... and goes a long way towards making it an "instrument" rather than an "effect" ... after all, the musician has to choose what to overdub. being able to set the loop/delay length on the fly with a phrase would come in a close second for me .. sometimes it doesn't matter as much if rhythm/tempo aren't a concern. guess you must have more rhythm than me Mathias :) so is a looper just a (long) tap-tempo true 100% feedback delay with selective overdub? don't you need MIDI in there somewhere as well? :P From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 20 04:52:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25911; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 04:52:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 04:52:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991120094810.51782.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.88.111.232] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hello Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 03:48:09 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"_uNxw.0.wF6.HwcDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I talked to the guy who invented the Boomerang at a guitar show a coulple months ago and he said that the inprovements on the now boomerang would also be sold as an upgrade. >From: "renaldo mckim" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "loopers-delight" >Subject: hello >Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:13:17 -0000 > >hi everyone i have been on the list about a month now just looking and >learning but now i have a couple of questions i hope some of you can >answer. >will the new boomerang features be available as an upgrade for the original >boomerang ? >will the echoplexes be made by trace elliot in the u.k. or do they have a >factory in the u.s. also ? >thanks renaldo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 20 06:34:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08337; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 06:34:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 06:34:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <0.a957342d.2567e02c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 06:29:48 EST Subject: Re: hello To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"YW4V03.0.xs1.cPeDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, The Upgrade to the existing chip is $79.00 + shipping and handling for the Boomerang 2 minute/4 minute phrase sampler. I guess the next question is going to be, is it available, now? Will there be a set of docs (documents/manuals) which come with this chip explaining installation and/or the new functions? Looking rather forward to this one, myself, and yes, I have to admit, it has improved my playing in time. :) Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 20 07:34:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17713; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:34:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:34:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006101bf3352$bf703540$5683bc3e@default> Reply-To: "Gareth Whittock" From: "Gareth Whittock" To: Subject: looping in Wales Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:28:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"sYihr3.0.194.lIfDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just to let you know I'll be looping in public on Monday 22nd at Dempsey's bar in Cardiff, Wales in Womanby St., opposite the castle. The gig is part of an independant film festival held there. It'll feature myself playing my modified Hawaiian guitar/violin bow/ebow with occasional heavy processing and my partner for the night, (no not that way) Neil Pedder with his amazingly unstable Moog synth. There are about 4 other acts too, ranging from experimental to ambient electronica. Incidentally I'll be trying out some of the surround sound ideas we've been discussing here space/time allowing. Our music has been described as "DjivanGasparyanmeetstangerinedreaminadarkalleyonpeyote" but only by me. Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 20 10:09:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09881; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:09:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:09:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <3836840F.899098A0@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:20:47 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: this is odd! References: <0.5aa1a4a2.25638b07@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"K2PgG1.0.zK2.eZhDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i saw ny saxophonist david benning (sp?) using one of those roland DR. SAMPLE SP-202 thingies a coupla weeks ago here in bearlynn. could this be the thing you saw? rob Texture444@aol.com schrieb: > > > onna coupla (older) records (ie, way back in the early 80's), i used some kinda roland delay for a bitta looping: > think it was an SDE3000: > there was a man in england who did memory expansion on these thangs: > think i passed his contact info on to robby (RA336@aol.com) some moons ago: > how's that for dispensing vagaries, eh? > hope it helpsya, anyway. > best, > dt > > > i went to a jazz thing the other night, and the guy was playing with a ROLAND > > looper of some sort! sorry, but it havent ever seen one of those before, if > > any of you have, send me a link to some where i can check one out! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 20 11:08:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21437; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:08:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:08:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: NoelG26@aol.com Message-ID: <0.9fba6602.2568205f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:03:43 EST Subject: Re: this is odd! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 20 Resent-Message-ID: <"nHUET.0.1-4.PQiDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com it may be, it was a blue peaddle that had the word ROLAND writen on the side of it, it looked to of had 3 or 4 switches on it From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 20 11:28:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25441; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:28:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:28:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003301bf3372$c5252f20$f16222cf@default> From: "Ian Hunter" To: "LOOPERS" Subject: looking for the jamman upgrade Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:17:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"I-lC.0.On5.ZeiDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings. Anyone looking to sell the chips to get the Jamman from 8 to 32 seconds? Hoping the price won't be enormous, and of course, I'll look after shipping.... thanks in advance Ian http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/paragon *********************************************** All I need is a good bass and a room to play in... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 20 11:52:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29741; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:52:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:52:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.45eb4525.25682a66@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:46:30 EST Subject: Re: lexicon replies! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"fyRtp1.0.E17.Z2jDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com replacing the 64k drams with 256k drams and adding an > additional ic component to the memory controller at U10. > to which someone at lexicon replied: > You are not talking about a Vortex here > There is no memory upgrade for this unit > What you are reading is for the Jamman > a very curious response... Yes, theres no U10 in the JamMan, but if your job is PR and not technical you don't know that. Lexicon PR is really quite helpful, sending out appliction notes and stuff, and phoning (UK) to answer questions scribbled on the warrantee card. but yes, it's frustrating they don't answer the 'hard' questions. ....or give silly answers. They wouldn't let me mail their designers directly, so all questions have to go through the PR dept. They say the 'guy who designed the Vortex' is no longer with them. Probably the only one who knows the answer. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 20 12:35:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05363; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:35:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:35:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991119220102.90274.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19991119220102.90274.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:31:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: French loopers! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"ochbm3.0.U41.9ijDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com no, not a continued thread on the DJ looper (which seems very interesting from the specs, a new idea at least), but a reminder that Richard Pinhas from Heldon is playing in NYC at the Knitting Factory tonight (with, of all people, Norman Spinrad!) for the pathetically cheap price of $5 and a drink. Pinhas is a pioneer of looping and shouldn't be missed. 10:30pm. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 20 12:44:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06986; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:44:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:44:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991119220102.90274.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19991119220102.90274.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:40:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: echo decay!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"augSu1.0.IR1.CqjDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this is all very weird to me. if someone mentioned this in casual conversation to me I'd assume they were mistaken! (luckily, you have have authority!) here's my reasoning: if the entire signal path is digital, then in LOOP mode there is simply a digital signal fed back into the main path with a gain of 1.000. this number 1.000... would be written into software and be "exactly" the same between two loopers. no minor variations in machines would result in slight differences as the algorithm would be exactly the same. now, if there were an analog path somewhere in there, then this would be perfectly reasonable. there'd be a resistor/potentiometer somewhere that was slightly maladjusted and somewhere the signal path multiple would be 0.999 or so instead of 1.000. here's a thought for you, actually. I had terrible trouble with a drum machine of mine in one session, the interesting Korg Electribe ER-1. It basically worked except that sometimes it would act as if you brushed the dials with your hands by mistake (and there was one other feature that didn't work). At the end of the session, I stared at the whole machine and noticed that it was using a non-Korg adaptor. Now, this (Radio Shack) adaptor had the same specs as the Korg adaptor (9V, tip-, 300 mA I think) but just switching to the correct power adaptor made it work fine. Could you be getting slightly low power or amperage? Perhaps the power in your studio is below that magic 110V? /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 20 13:59:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20434; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:59:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:59:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: looking for the jamman upgrade Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:56:24 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf3388$f1534bc0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <003301bf3372$c5252f20$f16222cf@default> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"LSogS1.0.wn4.xwkDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Search the mailing list archives- there is a gentleman who has some chips for a great price and he is here on the list- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Ian Hunter [mailto:ihunter@compusmart.ab.ca] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 8:18 AM To: LOOPERS Subject: looking for the jamman upgrade Greetings. Anyone looking to sell the chips to get the Jamman from 8 to 32 seconds? Hoping the price won't be enormous, and of course, I'll look after shipping.... thanks in advance Ian http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/paragon *********************************************** All I need is a good bass and a room to play in... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 20 14:09:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22609; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:09:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:09:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Jam Man/ Vortex Prices Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:07:05 -0800 Message-ID: <000101bf338a$6f48ab00$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"ZpJea.0.vJ5.u4lDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I had to post because I can't believe these prices- here is an 8 second Jam Man- 8 seconds! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=198398156 A Vortex- http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=201936503 Another 8 second Jam Man- again only 8 seconds- http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=202119264 Wow- anyway- I have been using my Vortex with my drum machine a lot with wonderful results- the tap tempo pedal is crucial- I will be posting a morph or two on Andy's Votrex site in the next week or two- The only problem I have is with having 5 separate pedals for the Vortex- I need to get the dual function Lexicon originals or make some myself- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 20 15:08:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00994; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:08:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:08:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38364965.1D3BC002@latrobe.edu.au> References: <3834D4C7.91B13972@latrobe.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:14:21 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician Resent-Message-ID: <"9Fhfx3.0.pz7.IylDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For a change, this thread is fully ON TOPIC! - OT? %-( >> Some of the last posts about t.c. and such leave the impression that any >> delay is a looper as long as it has enough delay time (and is stereo?!). >> But a delay unit just repeats all the time! >> ---> what turns a delay into a loop unit? As you say it nicely, Dr. Knox: > ... making it an "instrument" rather than an "effect" Ok, I agree with your sequence: 1. "selective overdub" (= input control of delay) 2. true infinite repeat (= controlable digital feedback) 3. tempo tap that controls input and output of delay >... guess you must have more rhythm than me Matthias :) I created only textures for about a year. Then, when rhythm came into the loops, it was a great revelation! Texture is nice, but groove is a natural consequence! Fun in my personal history is that I had almost no sense for rhythm until I was about 25. Without a clear drummer, I was lost. Then during the first trip to Brasil, I started dancing (no way to escape!) and soon afterwards the loop story started and when it turned rhythmic, it gave me simultaneously: - conscience about my irregularity in timing and - a tool to hide this lack or even turn it into something original. In parallel I learned to make love nicely and yell less at people ;-) Yes, we are not just making sounds, we heal ourselves first and then others: If the first benefit of the loops are textures that change state of mind, the second may be the feeding back of time perception. Maybe both sum up in some syncing of internal functions, harmonization. > don't you need MIDI in there somewhere as well? Sync is later, I think, when you start to interact with other instruments and record and elaborate... unless your navel is a MIDI connector :-) 4. for me was MULTIPLY to stack relaxed phrases on a acurate rhythmic base 5. UNDO, after having suffered sufficiently from my errors ;-) The very last step probably is to do it without loops at all. ;-) ps: this may be boring for some people, since it was discussed on the list in the past, but I am happy it comes up in a different light, and maybe we get a clearer idea each time about looping... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 20 15:34:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05826; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:34:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:34:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002101bf3396$22927dc0$d2cd883e@oemcomputer> From: "renaldo mckim" To: "loopers-delight" Subject: hello Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:28:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"wXy1y1.0.kF1.lKmDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i am posting this again because floyd pointed out that i had my text set as html instead of plain text and that some people might not be able to read it. thanks again floyd hi everyone i have been on the list about a month now just looking and learning but now i have a couple of questions i hope some of you can answer will the new boomerang features be available as an upgrade for the original boomerang ? will the echoplexes be made by trace elliot in the u.k. or do they have a factory in the u.s. also ? thanks renaldo p.s. thanks to george washington and lee-ohki for their reply's From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 20 23:03:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25116; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 23:03:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 23:03:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.15fac8c5.2568c7e9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:58:33 EST Subject: Re: looking for the jamman upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"jxkg92.0.wv5.ZusDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>We carry them, the set of 4 chips is $68 plus shipping. Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC http://www.roguemusic.com >> This was a response to the same question last week...I saved it for future use! John Painter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 20 23:30:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29870; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 23:30:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 23:30:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19991119220102.90274.qmail@hotmail.com> <19991119220102.90274.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:35:26 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: echo decay!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"hClPe3.0.WC7.7ItDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >if the entire signal path is digital, then in LOOP mode there >is simply a digital signal fed back into the main path with a gain of 1.000. > >this number 1.000... would be written into software and be "exactly" >the same between two loopers. no minor variations in machines would >result in slight differences as the algorithm would be exactly the >same. > > >now, if there were an analog path somewhere in there, then this would >be perfectly reasonable. there'd be a resistor/potentiometer somewhere >that was slightly maladjusted and somewhere the signal path multiple >would be 0.999 or so instead of 1.000. Well thought, but its analog in the beginning: The FB control is a potentiometer with a DC value that is converted to digital. So if the potentiometer or the parts arround it are not acurate enough, they dont reach the voltage for the 1.000 value. Which part it is can be found with a volt meter... Sorry for this one! >Could you be getting slightly low power or amperage? Perhaps the >power in your studio is below that magic 110V? could cause it, but probably you would note other problems like hum in the audio... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 21 01:05:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19894; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:05:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:05:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991121055947.60735.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.181.139.90] From: "g716" To: References: <19991119220102.90274.qmail@hotmail.com><19991119220102.90274.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Vortex for auction on ebay Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:02:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"GV6ex2.0.wb4.BguDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Loopers, I'm making room and selling my Vortex. It just sat for too long without being used. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=204781208 As usual, I'm giving a discount to potential LD bidders. For this lovely item, 5% off final bid price to any LD lurker or poster. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 21 01:26:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23707; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:26:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:26:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38378FF9.FC878BF2@home.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:23:53 -0500 From: Fabio Katz Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: One EDP for two players Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8mDu-1.0.xg5.W_uDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi loopers, Yesterday was my first gig with Alvaro, a percussionist with a unique and eclectic kit. I play Stick and use loops extensively. Alvaro didn't have any problems following the loop instead of being followed by the rest of the band (myself). Even when a loop was not completely consistent (tempo changes slightly during the loop, or I screwed up and finished the loop not exactly on the beat), Alvaro had no problems adjusting. He aldo wanted to try looping himself. So we set up a microphone over his kit and at the beginning of an improvised piece I waited until his basic rythm was very clear to me and recorded a loop. After that he was free to do more creative percussion along and against the looped rythm, and I had fun layering stuff and improvising on top. The audience seemed to anjoy it too, and some people told me after the show that they didn't expect the percussion to be looped as well. Have others tried looping other players with your looping device? We have only one EDP (mine). I would like to hear ideas on how to setup and control everything in order to selectively loop one, the other or both players using only one looping device. Yesterday we did the simplest thing: I manually turned down the send to the looper for his mike after we were done recording his rythm loop. After that it was only me adding layers. It would be useful to be able to have more real-time control. Any ideas? Fabio http://www.geocities.com/fabiokatz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 21 01:23:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23282; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:23:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:23:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911210620.BAA22331@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:50:55 +0530 Subject: TC D-TWO v/s Roland SDE3000 From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xZwuJ2.0.9T5._yuDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>>Ok Travis and others concerned about MIDI on the new TC D-TWO... On >>>the technical specifications at their site... at the bottom of the >>>page under Control Interface is the good MIDI news... >> >>not much of a technical specification. and the bad news is that >>it only does "up to" 10 seconds. what is it with people anyway?? >> >>10 seconds, and it's a dual delay... so 5 seconds each? limp, limp. >> >>I can't understand these folks. 44.1KHz * 2 bytes = 88.2K/second of >>delay time. $10 in commodity chips will get you 4MB, that's 45 seconds >>of delay! >> >>I'd certainly pay an extra $50 for the same box with an extra 45 seconds >>of delay. I think most people would do that. Quite a lot of people >>(including me!) would pay an extra $100 for an extra minute or so... >> >> /t Recently I happened to peek in at http://www.americanmusical.com/ and noticed they had listed the D-TWO for @US$700.00 When I checked in again leter, the info was nowhere to be found. Whatever. Anyway, this puts it in direct competition with Roland's SDE3000 Dimension Delay. Except for the 10 sec delay, the SDE may have an edge. The TC only has a max of 1 sec taps (10 taps), while the SDE has a max of 2.5 secs (8 taps). Even has a 4-tap delay with a pitch shifter on ea. Then there's those 3D delays, 3D chorus, & 3 band parametric EQ. ???? - Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 21 02:47:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05356; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:47:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:47:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.2d9babdd.2568fc5f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:42:23 EST Subject: Re: One EDP for two players To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"UJji4.0.d41.OAwDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am currently tweeking a setup using a DOD VOTec (cheap crappy multi-FX with a Builtin-Mic Pre!!) inserting a Volume Peadal after it to adjust the mix "on the fly"....THEN into a Signal Flex SF-DAB (an AB Box). The great thing about this AB Box is that instead of switching BETWEEN A& B, you can independently turn AB on or off (also has LED indicators). I also use another AB Box to route the Signal(s) to an EDP or a JamMan (I prefer having percussion loops on a separate looper when possible). Hope that helps, John Painter flemingandjohn.com In a message dated 11/21/99 12:26:12 AM, fabiok@home.com writes: << Hi loopers, SNIP....... Have others tried looping other players with your looping device? We have only one EDP (mine). I would like to hear ideas on how to setup and control everything in order to selectively loop one, the other or both players using only one looping device. << From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 21 02:52:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06369; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:52:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:52:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d4b9f45d.2568fd9d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:47:41 EST Subject: Control Pedal for EDP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ph0Rf3.0.2L1.-EwDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am experimenting with using the feedback control input with a Volume pedal. Right now I have it asigned to control the Loop Volume instead of the feedback. Does anyone know of a particular pedal that the EDP likes to see? I am using a Goodrich (far too nice of a pedal for this use!) right now and it works pretty well. Would I just be better off using MIDI control for mixing? ( I just bought a Ground Control for my JamMen) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 21 03:01:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08059; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 03:01:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 03:01:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.7927a5e1.2568fff4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:57:40 EST Subject: One MIDI Controller for multiple Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"-mGHx3.0.mn1.mOwDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have an EDP and two JamDudes synced to a Drum Machine (drum machine is master). Everything is connected to a MOTO midi express MIDI router so the drum machine sync goes to all three loopers. I just purchased a Ground Control, and am considering using it to control both of the JamMen...maybe a different bank for each unit, or if possible I could split the Ground Control "half & half" between the JamDudes... I will probably still use SOME regular footswitches, and then the Ground Control for extra features. I have the Foot Controller for my EDP, but am interested in experimenting with added MIDI control as well. Has anyone tried this before? John Painter flemingandjohn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 21 03:20:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10689; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 03:20:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 03:20:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.18f4de5c.2569013a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 03:03:06 EST Subject: JamMan Software upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"bkJ-j2.0.B12.sTwDu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SORRY FOR SO MANY POSTS, but I have been playing alot and these gadgets just seem to generate questions and possibilities..... I just sent off for the upgrade (for testing) and I am wondering how stable it will be. I am particularly interested in running simultaneous loops. I will be using it for Live performance under very stressfull situations where I will look like a big dork if it crashes in the middle of a song :) John Painter flemingandjohn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 21 09:39:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06814; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:39:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:39:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991121093238.007aac50@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:32:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: One EDP for two players In-Reply-To: <38378FF9.FC878BF2@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"c777j1.0.6K1.OB0Eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:23 AM 11/21/99 -0500, you wrote: >...Have others tried looping other players with your looping device?... Here's a looping practical joke you might have fun with. A few months ago, I was jamming with a guitarist I used to play with but hadn't seen in a few years. In the time since we'd regularly played together, our styles had diverged somewhat; he used to be Mr. Rackmount and I used a simpler setup, but we'd gradually gone 180 degrees so he'd been playing mostly acoustic fingerstyle and I'd been doing a lot more signal-mangling. In the typical spirit of loop evangelism, I'd been trying to get him to take up looping, but he seemed to have turned into a bit of a purist, and subtly projected an attitude that "effects" (as he viewed looping devices) were gimmicks or crutches to compensate for poor technique. Now this is from a guy who used to use a huge pedalboard that resembled a scale model of a large city... Anyway, while he was setting up, I covertly slipped a mic into the back of his amp and ran it to my mixer. While we were playing, I'd occasionally bring up the fader and grab a loop of his playing which became part of my signal. After one particularly cool improvisation, he said "Wow, that loop you were doing went perfectly with what I was playing!", to which I had to confess my trickery. He has since become an enthusistic looper! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 21 12:31:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06354; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:31:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:31:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911211714.MAA03165@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:32:34 +0530 Subject: Kurzweil K2500 / K2600 Live mode From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RyMBK.0.jn.nX2Eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Speakin' fancy delays, anyone here use "Live" mode in the Kurzweil K2500 or K2600 thingies ? I've just taken a peek at the PDF manual for the KDFX bit : ftp://ftp.youngchang.com/pub/Kurzweil/Pro_Products/K2000-K2vx-K2500/K2500/ Documentation/KDFXMAN.ZIP Scary. Vortex ? hah ! You could simply DESTROY a guitar sound using this. KDFX : http://www.youngchang.com/kurzweil/html/kdfx.html Kurzweil products : http://www.youngchang.com/kurzweil/html/pro_products.html Salut, - Drew -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Drew Skyfyre songwriter, webmaster, happy human drew_skyfyre@yahoo.com http://skyfyre.lookscool.com Xenharmonic Engines > http://microtonal.lookscool.com "Out of the ash I rise with my red hair And I eat men like air." -Sylvia Plath ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 21 14:17:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26247; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 14:17:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 14:17:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010801bf3455$20c96fc0$b25bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <3834D4C7.91B13972@latrobe.edu.au> Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician and swingy sex . Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:17:57 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"-OTZY.0.CB6.GH4Eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > Fun in my personal history is that I had almost no sense for rhythm until I > was about 25. Without a clear drummer, I was lost. Then during the first > trip to Brasil, I started dancing (no way to escape!) and soon afterwards > the loop story started and when it turned rhythmic, it gave me > simultaneously: > - conscience about my irregularity in timing and > - a tool to hide this lack or even turn it into something original. Yes...i discover my poor rhythm when the first Boss Dr Rhyrtm land on market... > > In parallel I learned to make love nicely and yell less at people ;-) Yes...making love with ''swingest'' people , you learn the waist and hip movements ,wich are essencial to play with swing and groove...This is the diference between Chick Corea Electric Band and Santana Band : ) .The first one it's ''thight'' , the second one ''swings''. julio From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 21 14:44:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31211; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 14:44:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 14:44:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: JamMan Software upgrade Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:37:25 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf3457$d6711ec0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <0.18f4de5c.2569013a@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"J38wW1.0.TD7.Id4Eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Could you please tell me where you sent off for the upgrade?? Highly interested- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: JohnFlem@aol.com [mailto:JohnFlem@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 12:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan Software upgrade SORRY FOR SO MANY POSTS, but I have been playing alot and these gadgets just seem to generate questions and possibilities..... I just sent off for the upgrade (for testing) and I am wondering how stable it will be. I am particularly interested in running simultaneous loops. I will be using it for Live performance under very stressfull situations where I will look like a big dork if it crashes in the middle of a song :) John Painter flemingandjohn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 21 17:32:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28785; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:32:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:32:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911212224.OAA29525@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 14:22:22 -0800 Subject: want to buy an echoplex. From: "Craig Zarkos" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JxR8C3.0.Hi6.357Eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looking for the complete Oberheim unit with footswitch, also is this unit to be reissued soon? ( I'm completely new to this) thanks, Craig Zarkos . San Diego Ca. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 21 19:01:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13680; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:01:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:01:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <0.dc8305bb.2569e096@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:56:06 EST Subject: Re: this is odd! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"oWt422.0.I33.IR8Eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Could be the ME-30. A Roland peddle (blue) that has a looping (sample) function. ???? Bill "Hawkeye" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 21 21:53:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18583; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:53:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:53:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: want to buy an echoplex. Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:49:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <199911212224.OAA29525@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"MdTMo.0.OF4.-yAEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I won't sell mine, but you shouldn't pay more than $600 for it, used. The new ones are coming soon any day now, right folks? Right... | -----Original Message----- | From: Craig Zarkos [mailto:drumzzz@earthlink.net] | Sent: Sunday 21 November 1999 2:22 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: want to buy an echoplex. | | | Looking for the complete Oberheim unit with footswitch, also is | this unit to | be reissued soon? ( I'm completely new to this) thanks, Craig | Zarkos . | San Diego Ca. | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 21 22:34:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27473; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:34:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:34:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.9b5adfa0.256a12bf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:30:07 EST Subject: Re: want to buy an echoplex. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"Hklbq.0.QS6.0aBEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/21/99 4:31:49 PM, drumzzz@earthlink.net writes: << Looking for the complete Oberheim unit with footswitch, also is this unit to be reissued soon? ( I'm completely new to this) thanks, Craig Zarkos . San Diego Ca. >> There's one for auction on E-Bay right now (being sold by a Looper's Delight poster). You can expect to pay between $700 and $1200 for a 'Plex with the footswitch and Maxed out memory. Theoretically they will be made again. Since you are 'new' to this, I would suggest trying a Boomerang (they are coming out with an upgraded model really soon!). I own all of the 'big three' (JamMan, EDP and Boomerang), and for simple loop/overdub playing the boomerang is the easiest to use. It is lacking in Delay feedback control (it is on or off), and doesn't have MIDI sync...also doesn't sound as good as the EDP, but I think that the upgrade is improving the sonics.... John Painter johnflem@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 01:05:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29020; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 01:05:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 01:05:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.cdad7e86.256a35a0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:58:56 EST Subject: Re: RE: JamMan Software upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"_zCb3.0.lo6.SlDEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/21/99 1:44:34 PM, clifsound@mediaone.net writes: << Could you please tell me where you sent off for the upgrade?? Highly interested- Cliff >> Bob Sellon's JamMan Upgrade Page Just go here! John Painter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 02:15:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08460; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 02:15:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 02:15:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.d4b9f45d.2568fd9d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 05:14:44 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Control Pedal for EDP Resent-Message-ID: <"V3P5n.0.rd1.kjEEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I am experimenting with using the feedback control input with a Volume pedal. > Right now I have it asigned to control the Loop Volume instead of the >feedback. Does anyone know of a particular pedal that the EDP likes to see? >I am using a Goodrich (far too nice of a pedal for this use!) right now and >it works pretty well. Would I just be better off using MIDI control for >mixing? ( I just bought a Ground Control for my JamMen) With the analog pedal you get a better resolution than through MIDI, smother transitions when changing values - not easily audible, though. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 04:37:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA00341; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 04:37:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 04:37:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38390D75.77129A8@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 03:31:33 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FS: RDS 4000 $225+shipping (Harmony Central) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"o9Mlw3.0.io7._sGEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com have you sold this pedal yet? Jimmy George Travis Hartnett wrote: > Asking Price: US$N/A > Condition: Excellent > Age: N/A > Description: > > -Digitech RDS 4000 Time Machine 4 second digital > delay/sampler also does flange and chorus unit is in very > good shape never any problems.Paid 225.00 new,add$12.00 for > shipping.pe > > Seller: Jake Teffner, 802.864.3590 > E-mail: jteffner@tri-techusa.com (Profile) > Post Date: 11/13/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 04:52:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02780; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 04:52:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 04:52:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38391112.F3A68652@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 03:46:58 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hello References: <19991120094810.51782.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kbTvv2.0.FZ.Q5HEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what upgrades are you reffering to? are there any beside the 4+ min. time upgrade? Jimmy George George Washington wrote: > I talked to the guy who invented the Boomerang at a guitar show a coulple > months ago and he said that the inprovements on the now boomerang would also > be sold as an upgrade. > > >From: "renaldo mckim" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: "loopers-delight" > >Subject: hello > >Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:13:17 -0000 > > > >hi everyone i have been on the list about a month now just looking and > >learning but now i have a couple of questions i hope some of you can > >answer. > >will the new boomerang features be available as an upgrade for the original > >boomerang ? > >will the echoplexes be made by trace elliot in the u.k. or do they have a > >factory in the u.s. also ? > >thanks renaldo > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 05:12:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06605; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 05:12:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 05:12:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Non Loop/mp3 web Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 02:08:36 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf34d1$8aaf0b80$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"npARh2.0.3N1.COHEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all- I am having trouble putting my .mp3s on my site- they used to play just by clicking on them but now you get all the data as gibberish in a new window- or if you select "save as" you get a really messed up sounding file once played in Winamp- any of you web/browser savy loopers who could give me some tips would be great- i am having lots of fun tonight making loops with Jam Man, keyboard, drum mach, guitar, Vortex, Acid and got the itch to update some of my sounds on my site- thanks- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 06:48:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22724; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 06:48:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 06:48:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:45:30 -0700 Subject: Problem or not? (EDP) From: Sebastian Woscoboinik To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001bf34d1$8aaf0b80$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Infomail-Id: 943270726.30A701AC1E039E.10726 Resent-Message-ID: <"uXBIx3.0._A5.WlIEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Folks, well I have two EDP with MIDI CONECCTION. All the funtions work ok, but when I press in MIDI PARAMETERS, CONTROL SOURCE.... edp MIDI out edp MIDI in (slave) FIRST NOT NOT 1 PUSH CTR NOT (don't CHANGE) 2 Push OFF NOT (don't change) 3 Push NOT change a second to CTR and Not again. What Happend? I need to work with to edp in CTR. I don't use brother and beat sync. I interchange the edp, and work in the same way. I have two EDP with 198 seconds, with LOOP 3 UPDATE 5.0 Thanking you in advance. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 07:59:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01812; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:59:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:59:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991122125106.86453.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.33] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: want to buy an echoplex. Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 04:51:05 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"PuTi32.0.WB.nnJEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey there you go Craig. Buy Javier's EDP for $600. See how easy! >From: "Javier Miranda V." >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: RE: want to buy an echoplex. >Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:49:19 -0800 > >I won't sell mine, but you shouldn't pay more than $600 for it, used. The >new ones are coming soon any day now, right folks? > >Right... > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Craig Zarkos [mailto:drumzzz@earthlink.net] > | Sent: Sunday 21 November 1999 2:22 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: want to buy an echoplex. > | > | > | Looking for the complete Oberheim unit with footswitch, also is > | this unit to > | be reissued soon? ( I'm completely new to this) thanks, Craig > | Zarkos . > | San Diego Ca. > | > | > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 08:29:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07687; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:29:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:29:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911221325.FAA15325@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:24:52 -0600 Subject: Re: Effects as a crutch From: "Tiktok World HQ" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZMoXx.0.gd1.AHKEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey man, it TAKES a lot of technique to run a huge pedalboard, it's just not the same technique that you use for a Am#7+9... TH ---------- >From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #456 >Date: Mon, Nov 22, 1999, 4:10 AM > > In the typical spirit of loop evangelism, I'd been trying > to get him to take up looping, but he seemed to have turned into a bit of a > purist, and subtly projected an attitude that "effects" (as he viewed > looping devices) were gimmicks or crutches to compensate for poor > technique. Now this is from a guy who used to use a huge pedalboard that > resembled a scale model of a large city... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 08:32:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08751; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:32:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:32:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911221327.FAA16588@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:27:49 -0600 Subject: Re: RDS 4000 FS From: "Tiktok World HQ" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S4_QY1.0.5s1.nJKEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Me? No--it's jteffner@tri-techusa.com that's selling it, I just post it to the list when I see something of loopy interest. TH ---------- >From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #456 >Date: Mon, Nov 22, 1999, 4:10 AM > > have you sold this pedal yet? > > Jimmy George > > Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> Asking Price: US$N/A >> Condition: Excellent >> Age: N/A >> Description: >> >> -Digitech RDS 4000 Time Machine 4 second digital >> delay/sampler also does flange and chorus unit is in very >> good shape never any problems.Paid 225.00 new,add$12.00 for >> shipping.pe >> >> Seller: Jake Teffner, 802.864.3590 >> E-mail: jteffner@tri-techusa.com (Profile) >> Post Date: 11/13/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 11:21:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15988; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:21:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:21:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38378FF9.FC878BF2@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:59:55 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: One EDP for two players Resent-Message-ID: <"cO58i2.0.EL2.gPMEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I liked Tim Nelsons Evangelist story. Thank you! But to the real problem: Fabio Katz : >Yesterday was my first gig with Alvaro, a percussionist with a unique >and eclectic kit. I play Stick and use loops extensively. Alvaro >didn't have any problems following the loop instead of being followed by >the rest of the band (myself). Even when a loop was not completely >consistent (tempo changes slightly during the loop, or I screwed up and >finished the loop not exactly on the beat), Alvaro had no problems >adjusting. > >He aldo wanted to try looping himself. So we set up a microphone over >his kit and at the beginning of an improvised piece I waited until his >basic rythm was very clear to me and recorded a loop. After that he was >free to do more creative percussion along and against the looped rythm, >and I had fun layering stuff and improvising on top. The audience >seemed to anjoy it too, and some people told me after the show that they >didn't expect the percussion to be looped as well. great work! >Have others tried looping other players with your looping device? We >have only one EDP (mine). I would like to hear ideas on how to setup >and control everything in order to selectively loop one, the other or >both players using only one looping device. Yesterday we did the >simplest thing: I manually turned down the send to the looper for his >mike after we were done recording his rythm loop. After that it was >only me adding layers. It would be useful to be able to have more >real-time control. I did loads of very good loops with partners on only one delay (2290/PCM42). You can find some on my site: Funcsonhamos/Primeiro Encontro I used to do the taping and control FeedBack, and each player had a volume pedal to control his overdub. I simply mixed the signals after the volume pedals and sent it to the delay. On the Plex you have more options, since you can connect several footpedals in parallel with a simple Y. Instead of buying another pedal board, you can also install some switches in the percussionists setup and connect them. A resistor defines the function the switch will have (design on LD site!). So the only problem comes as you noted: If one presses overdub, the sound of the other is recorded, too. Your solution of dividing the music in phases where one or the others Aux send is open is reasonable and can be improved with volume pedals or switches for those Aux sends. You can invent some construction where a second contact of the overdub switch also controls the Aux sends. Either by passing audio through it or by controlling a parameter of a effect or mixing device that allows to mute some output. You can also leave Overdub open all the time and just control the input of the Plex as said. On principle, I made the input noise gate so that when none of the players sends a signal, it behaves just as with Overdub off (AutoUndo and Sync work, no FB reduction). But then, I had the lower the gate sensibility so much, that maybe your noise is low enough to really close the gate. This is said tecnically correct and as understandable as I can, dont shock, ask what is not clear, maybe others can help, too. And then, shure, the great solution is to have a plex for each player and connect them with BrotherSync! ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 11:46:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21661; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:46:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:46:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:38:22 -0600 Subject: tc D2, still not available From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"q7WYC.0.7r4.V6NEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com AMS now shows it as being available on 12/15, for $699 (which I recall as also the price of a new Echoplex). The tc website still doesn't have a manual. A side note: any effects manufacturers reading this, please don't put fuses in rack-mountable devices that require de-racking the unit and unscrewing the top. One of my EDP's blew a fuse this weekend (seems to happen every 18 months or so), and I was reminded of this irritating design feature. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 12:05:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25634; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:05:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:05:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:50:16 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Problem or not? (EDP) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <000001bf34d1$8aaf0b80$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"11EEi3.0.7g5.ZLNEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com if you turn midi off on the master, or change the type of midi command, it won't be sending midi to the slave anymore. So the slave won't change! They both have to be set the same. Kind of like hanging up your telephone, then wondering why your friend can't hear you talking anymore. :-) Just go to the slave and change it manually if you really need to set them this way on the fly. Usually you would just set this to something and leave it that way. kim >Hi Folks, well I have two EDP with MIDI CONECCTION. All the funtions work >ok, but when I press in MIDI PARAMETERS, CONTROL SOURCE.... > > > > edp MIDI out edp MIDI in (slave) > >FIRST NOT NOT >1 PUSH CTR NOT (don't CHANGE) >2 Push OFF NOT (don't change) >3 Push NOT change a second to CTR and Not >again. > > >What Happend? I need to work with to edp in CTR. I don't use brother and >beat sync. > >I interchange the edp, and work in the same way. > >I have two EDP with 198 seconds, with LOOP 3 UPDATE 5.0 > >Thanking you in advance. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 12:55:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05146; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:55:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:55:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.2be5de36.256adaaf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:43:11 EST Subject: gig question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"edkkh1.0.Wd.i3OEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i am planning on dropping one of my several jobs and making an attempt to get a few gigs, playing small parties, nothing major........just some back-ground music.......i can not see doing this as a solo, so i must find a kindred spirit to join me........i of course play the "un-mentionable".......and i was wondering, what seems to work for those of you playing duet or trio.......i have never played with another "looper", and what i intend to do is loop oriented material (more in a jazz vain).......mostly improv......anytime someone posts that they have a gig, i wonder how do they approach this......do you do several sets, or a single set.......do you allow the "vibe" of the setting to direct your playing.......i know these a vague questions but i would like to draw on your experiences and input to plan some sort of approach to this project.......the last time i played out was in the early 70's at which time i just learned a lot of songs cole porter, billy holiday, jazzy stuff, old chestnuts and a few of the current "hits", it was myself and a wonderful singer/flutist........we played fairly often, but that was then and my music, now, is quite different.......:)........this may not be the forum to discuss presenting loopish music to the public, so if anyone could shed some light on this please contact me off list........thanks...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 13:06:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07579; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:06:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:06:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991122100240.01386770@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:02:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: Re: gig question In-Reply-To: <0.2be5de36.256adaaf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gwZV-1.0.1M1.qGOEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what are you talking about? of course it is. This is THE place for it. At 12:43 PM 11/22/99 EST, michael wrote: >this may not >be the forum to discuss presenting loopish music to the public, so if anyone From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 13:18:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10395; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:18:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:18:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <8110880862C7D111AAE600A0C9231DE945DD80@cleveland.clevegrowth.com> From: "Zoldak, Chris" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: SP-202 Memory Cards. Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:15:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"svr2d2.0.f12.bROEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know what the voltage rating is for the Roland SmartMedia memory cards? I can get 5V memory cards but I don't know if these would work. If anyone has ever tested this out let me know. Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 13:14:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09384; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:14:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:14:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3839842A.228603AC@virtulink.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:58:02 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Effects as a crutch References: <199911221325.FAA15325@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HyIwX2.0.pa1.9KOEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tiktok World HQ wrote: > > Hey man, it TAKES a lot of technique to run a huge pedalboard, it's just not > the same technique that you use for a Am#7+9... What the hell is an Am#7+9? -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 14:00:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19664; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:00:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:00:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:39:55 -0600 Subject: Re: Effects as a crutch From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3839842A.228603AC@virtulink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PmlqC2.0.nh3.UuOEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's an A minor tria with a sharp 7 and ninth on top (A C E G# B). TH > From: David Beardsley > Organization: SSI > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:58:02 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Effects as a crutch > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:10:08 -0500 > > > What the hell is an Am#7+9? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 14:05:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20819; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:05:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:05:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38398D1E.1F29AC71@magi.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:36:15 -0500 From: d a v e X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SP-202 Memory Cards. References: <8110880862C7D111AAE600A0C9231DE945DD80@cleveland.clevegrowth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"z4Cl.0.dy3.OyOEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 5V is the right card "Zoldak, Chris" wrote: > Does anyone know what the voltage rating is for the Roland SmartMedia memory > cards? I can get 5V memory cards but I don't know if these would work. If > anyone has ever tested this out let me know. > > Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 14:39:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28679; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:39:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:39:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:29:43 -0600 Subject: FS: Switchblade Studio (Harmony Central) From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bLzLR2.0.JM6.7dPEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For the well-heeled looper: FS: SoundSculpture Switchblade Studio Switcher Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Brand new, unused, in all original packaging. "Studio" model (not a "GL"). Amazing box for switching between FX boxes. Can run FX in parallel, in sequence, and can morph between FX boxes. Can do things impossible with any patchbay. Full midi - save settings of all attached FX units, within a preset. Works with computer editor - draw lines onscreen from picture of one FX unit, to another, to make presets. 16 ins and 16 outs. Setup presets with anything running into anything else. Paid 1725.00 + fed-ex a few months ago. Will sell for $1375.00 + shipping. Save $350.00, and this one is new. For more details, see: http://www.soundsculpture.com/sculpt2.htm R-MODE@webtv.net Seller: R. Modell, E-mail: r-mode@webtv.net (Profile) Location: FERNDALE, MI Post Date: 11/22/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 14:37:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27922; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:37:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:37:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE33@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Effects as a crutch Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:29:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"t3w6s3.0.jN6.ddPEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com isn't that really just called a minor major 7 chord? also calling it a +9 would make it an augmented 9th . . . which is a minor third. so wouldn't the chord you're trying to spell really be an "A minor major 9"? stig It's an A minor tria with a sharp 7 and ninth on top (A C E G# B). TH > From: David Beardsley > Organization: SSI > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:58:02 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Effects as a crutch > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:10:08 -0500 > > > What the hell is an Am#7+9? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 14:40:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28905; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:40:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:40:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38399954.6790F42F@virtulink.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:28:21 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Effects as a crutch References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"296zV1.0.UQ6.mePEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Travis Hartnett wrote: > > It's an A minor tria with a sharp 7 and ninth on top (A C E G# B). > > > > > What the hell is an Am#7+9? You're going to create an awful lot of confusion naming chords like that. I'd call it an Am9-maj7. Off topic of course. BTW: I use a Digitech 7.6 sec Time Machine for my loops. I'm quite happy with it, but I'm looking forward to one of those Line 6 Delay Modelers. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 15:01:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02497; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:01:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:01:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00de01bf3521$300fd4c0$502310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Matthias Grob" , Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:00:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"od9SM1.0.Zq6.IkPEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As always, Matthias, I enjoy your posts immensely. Some comments on this most recent thread: >>> Some of the last posts about t.c. and such leave the impression that any >>> delay is a looper as long as it has enough delay time (and is stereo?!). >>> But a delay unit just repeats all the time! > >>> ---> what turns a delay into a loop unit? > >As you say it nicely, Dr. Knox: >> ... making it an "instrument" rather than an "effect" I believe that "making it an instrument" is more internal than external. For me, the question is "at what length does a delay become an instrument?" and my answer would be, "around two seconds". I've never worked with delays longer than the twenty-some seconds of the Headrush, except for an old tape Echoplex which could do sound-on-sound recording over the entire length of the tape - about two minutes as I recall. I had that unit back in the late 70's, and I couldn't quite focus enough to make that happen, but I'd like to try again sometime. So with "more than two seconds" and "less than two minutes" I feel I'm looping. BTW, who is Dr. Knox??? >I created only textures for about a year. Then, when rhythm came into the >loops, it was a great revelation! Texture is nice, but groove is a natural >consequence! I wonder if this is an organic, predictable consequence of looping. I started adding rhythmic pulses early in my "serious" looping experiments just because it seemed the way to go. I had never heard anyone else doing guitar-based rhythmic loop music prior to that. It just felt right. > >Fun in my personal history is that I had almost no sense for rhythm until I >was about 25. Without a clear drummer, I was lost. Then during the first >trip to Brasil, I started dancing (no way to escape!) and soon afterwards >the loop story started and when it turned rhythmic, it gave me >simultaneously: >- conscience about my irregularity in timing and >- a tool to hide this lack or even turn it into something original. > >In parallel I learned to make love nicely and yell less at people ;-) > >Yes, we are not just making sounds, we heal ourselves first and then others: >If the first benefit of the loops are textures that change state of mind, >the second may be the feeding back of time perception. >Maybe both sum up in some syncing of internal functions, harmonization. Perhaps the old "music school" breakdown of music into melody, harmony and rhythm applies here. >> don't you need MIDI in there somewhere as well? And the next big challenge we as loopers may care to face is our *collective* sense of rhythm. Can two loopers jam and keep the groove, hearing each others' loop length and altering phrasing to match? *Without the MIDI umbilical cord?* >The very last step probably is to do it without loops at all. ;-) BINGO! Like the Sufi musician, whose name escapes me, who stopped "playing" music when he saw that music was all around him. He wrote the book which has been discussed here before... "Mysticism in Sound and Music"? >ps: this may be boring for some people, since it was discussed on the list >in the past, but I am happy it comes up in a different light, and maybe we >get a clearer idea each time about looping... And it sure beats discussing string gauge :-) Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 15:10:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04183; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:10:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:10:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991122194545.21728.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.77] From: "G716" To: References: Subject: RE: Am#7+9 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:45:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Resent-Message-ID: <"YLRj42.0.vR7.XsPEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > What the hell is an Am#7+9? > It's an A minor tria with a sharp 7 and ninth on top (A C E G# B). Hunh? Could you put that in TAB for the rest of us.... ;^) ducking and running away, Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 14:41:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29118; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:41:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:41:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d4c0846b.256af345@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:28:05 EST Subject: Re: Effects as a crutch To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 228 Resent-Message-ID: <"Xxs36.0.XJ6.3cPEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i think the comment was referring to bad nomenclature theres no such thing as a 'sharp 7', only a minor or major one nor is there a +9, only a sharp or flat one(unless the + is a supposed to be a sharp as in +5(augmented)being sharped, or as in add9) the chord you spelled out would be an AmMaj7(9) rodrigo << It's an A minor tria with a sharp 7 and ninth on top (A C E G# B). > What the hell is an Am#7+9? >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 16:13:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15217; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:13:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:13:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d31176ef.256b02db@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:34:35 EST Subject: Re: Am#7+9 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"b-Fib.0.jW2.MoQEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/22/1999 2:10:00 PM Central Standard Time, g716@hotmail.com writes: << Hunh? Could you put that in TAB for the rest of us.... >> TAB is for people that can't play Lydian Augmented... kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 15:02:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02695; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:02:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:02:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:40:18 -0600 Subject: Re: Effects as a crutch From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE33@migarexch01.maritz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Nr-uk.0.X47._mPEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Could be. I think some people use "+" for augmented, some for added notes. An Am7 with a B on top would just be an Am9 (I believe), but I'm not sure if sharping the 7 changes the naming, but in any case the chord I was thinking of was A C E G# B. TH > From: "Liebig, Steuart A." > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:29:32 -0500 > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > Subject: RE: Effects as a crutch > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:34:35 -0500 > > isn't that really just called a minor major 7 chord? also calling it a +9 > would make it an augmented 9th . . . which is a minor third. > > so wouldn't the chord you're trying to spell really be an "A minor major 9"? > > stig > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 15:50:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10294; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:50:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:50:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:47:29 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, LiebigSA@Maritz.com Subject: Augmented crutches as effects... Resent-Message-ID: <"E7RAc.0.AW7.LuPEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Also when listening to this chord, you you really hear that major third interval between the maj7th and the min 3rd... giving it a very augmented sound... The 5th is also a maj 3rd interval from the 7th so you've got stacked maj 3rds there. Hey! When it's getting this cool sounding why would you want to play the damn root!? Let's head for neptune gang! This is actually a really cool chord for doing oddball aug/dim stunts over... have at it with the symetrical dim (half-whole) scale as well as maj 3rd stacks moved around chromatically and get OUT THERE! Be sure to get those fx crutches working as well! Don't want it all to sound too plain... Gotta get osterized while were confusing people... Don't forget to LOOP it! -Biffoz >>> "Liebig, Steuart A." 11/22 11:35 AM >>> isn't that really just called a minor major 7 chord? also calling it a +9 would make it an augmented 9th . . . which is a minor third. so wouldn't the chord you're trying to spell really be an "A minor major 9"? stig It's an A minor tria with a sharp 7 and ninth on top (A C E G# B). TH > From: David Beardsley > Organization: SSI > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:58:02 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Effects as a crutch > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:10:08 -0500 > > > What the hell is an Am#7+9? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 16:13:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15181; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:13:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:13:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3839A648.A877FC8C@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:23:40 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: chord nomenclature/OT stereolab References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE33@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X3yvQ2.0.-X1.MOQEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com stig wrote: > isn't that really just called a minor major 7 chord? also calling it a +9 > would make it an augmented 9th . . . which is a minor third. > > so wouldn't the chord you're trying to spell really be an "A minor major 9"? > > stig > > > It's an A minor tria with a sharp 7 and ninth on top (A C E G# B). i have seen that spelling before: Am#7+9 (but i can't figure it out now any more than i could then) ...can't wait to see kim's comments on this thread :-) lance g. ps anyone catch stereolab this tour? saw them last night. very strong, impressive presence. not much looping that i could tell (unless subtle), but plenty of moog-ism (maybe too much, actually?). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 16:14:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15598; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:14:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:14:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bf352b$33a85940$536fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: References: Subject: Re: tc D2, still not available Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:50:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"oZgYk3.0.it2.vuQEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "AMS now shows it as being available on 12/15, for $699 (which I recall as also the price of a new Echoplex). The tc website still doesn't have a manual." and what is the AMS????? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 16:13:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15530; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:13:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:13:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383A26F3.4AB37284@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:32:36 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Am#7+9 References: <19991122194545.21728.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0Xkxo.0.jy1.VaQEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Its a James bond chord or the second one in stairway to heaven its A C E G (M***E) where is the sharp its A C E G# B its also CMaj13#5 (C E G# B A Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 16:35:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21038; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:35:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:35:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:25:03 -0600 Subject: Re: tc D2, still not available From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801bf352b$33a85940$536fc8d0@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Yw3OP1.0.cT4.JJREu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com American Musical Supply, a mail-order firm. TH > From: postaldave > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:50:21 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: tc D2, still not available > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:10:55 -0500 > > > and what is the AMS????? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 16:14:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15685; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:14:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:14:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:03:42 -0600 Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00de01bf3521$300fd4c0$502310ac@Douglas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fquJf2.0.3K3.H2REu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd say "no". Digital is unforgivingly exact, so if you're even two msec off, after ten cycles through the loop you're very out of sync. TH > > And the next big challenge we as loopers may care to face is our > *collective* sense of rhythm. Can two loopers jam and keep the groove, > hearing each others' loop length and altering phrasing to match? *Without > the MIDI umbilical cord?* From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 16:51:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24822; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:51:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:51:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3839A338.967E5D9D@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:10:32 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: was Re: Mujedo, now Jeff and Stull References: <3.0.6.32.19991115130807.007a0800@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qgw_6.0.RY5.RZREu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was really glad that I made this show. The last time I had a thrill ride like Stull gave me was cliff diving on mescaline back in about 71'! Chops galore and total improv with looping led to a great show, thanks Jeff! jd Jeff & Vonda McLeod wrote: > Hi, all... > Here's a reminder and directions about and to my gig in Atlanta this > weekend. If you're in or around the area, please try to come out. Thanks! > Sincerely, > Jeff McLeod > > > > > STULL > free thinking trio from birmingham > > SHHHHH > free feeling trio from atlanta > > 10 p.m. call 404-581-0961 for more info > 253 trinity ave. downdowntown near capitol. > > Stull is an improvising trio from Montgomery, AL that specializes in > beating tired musical forms out of sleep and into death. In the course of > one improvisation, one might be treated to massive, nightmarish > soundscapes, lovely twee melodies, skull-rattling skronk, hot-dog Yngwie > Malmsteen on acid licks, brain-licking prog/psych rock . . . or good-old, > flat-out noise. The trio is made up of the regular guitar, bass and drum > lineup--and is fleshed out by loops, toys, devices and beatable objects. > Band members are journeyman drummer/guitarist Tracy Harris (who has played > and worked with members of prog acts Bosch and Red Hush), bassist Willie > Johnson (of noise-core math rockers Vox Humana) and guitarist Jeff McLeod > (formerly of noise rock unit bert and now performing solo under the moniker > of Gezoleen). Stull's new CD is out now on the Subversive Workshop label > and under extrememly limited distro here in the US--and is soon to be > available in Europe via the great Free Land Records of Italy. > > http://www.pd.org/~zeug/EYEDRUM/eyedrum-sched.html > > BLESS THIS MESS > > Directions: > > EYEDRUM is a not-for-profit space and asks that visitors fork over a small > > donation to help pay rent and support performers in Atlanta and from around > > the country. > > > > Contact EYEDRUM: eyedrum@hotmail.com > > EYEDRUM is located at 253 Trinity Avenue > > (between Forsyth and Spring streets) on the > > first floor in downtown Atlanta. > > > > HOW TO GET THERE: > > **From I-75/I-85 North: Take Exit 93 (M. L. King Jr. Blvd.), follow MLK > west six > > traffic lights to Peachtree St., turn left onto Peachtree, go two lights to > > Trinity Ave., turn right, cross Forsyth St., 253 is on the right, park on left > > for free. > > > > **From I-75/I-85 South: Use HOV Lane exit for Memorial Dr., go straight, at > > second light turn left onto Trinity Ave., drive three blocks, 253 is on the > > right, free parking on the left. > > > > **From I-20 East or West: Exit at Spring Street, go north on Spring, second > > traffic light is Trinity Ave., turn right, park for free on the right, 253 is > > across the street. > > > > On MARTA: Get onto the North/South line and get off at the Garnett Station > > (S1). Go upstairs, and walk out onto Trinity Ave (it's the only way to walk > > out from up there). Turn left on Trinity, cross Forsyth, and 253 is on the > > left. Trains run until 1 a.m. and cost roughly $1.50 per trip. MARTA is > > smarta, but there's safety in numbers. > > > > >From the trainyards: We're located one block east of the Norfolk Southern > > building, southeast > > __________________________________________ > This is not here-- > And now is almost over... > http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ > http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 17:14:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30206; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:14:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:14:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991122154735.00919960@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:47:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: Off topic: CD recorders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nrxsc1.0.H66.whREu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Loopers, This is a little bit off topic, but still relates to our craft: Has anyone had experience with recordable CD machines, such as the TASCAM CD-RW5000 or the Marantz CDR630? In particular, I'm wondering how well their respective "Sample Rate Converters" work (this is the circuitry that automatically converts 48kHz DAT data to 44.1kHz CD data), how easily one can edit song numbering, and how easily one can record one song at a time onto a CD. Thanks! Yours, Michael =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 17:19:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31806; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:19:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:19:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE39@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Effects as a crutch Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:56:41 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"DAD9T2.0.yS6.fnREu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Could be. I think some people use "+" for augmented, some for added notes. An Am7 with a B on top would just be an Am9 (I believe), but I'm not sure if sharping the 7 changes the naming, but in any case the chord I was thinking of was A C E G# B. ** i'm of the belief that there is no sharp 7 here. as someone pointed out earlier, there are major 7s and minor 7. the minor 7 is known as a flat 7. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 18:11:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10233; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:11:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:11:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19991122153110.00a06eb0@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:03:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: gig question In-Reply-To: <0.2be5de36.256adaaf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lr0iE2.0.jB2.LlSEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:43 PM 11/22/99 -0500, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >i of course play the "un-mentionable".......and i >was wondering, what seems to work for those of you playing duet or >trio....... It depends on the situation; I regularly played with up to a half dozen people at gigs of varying sizes in Chicago before moving to the middle of nowhere in Idaho, and if I've learned anything (especially in a true improv environment), it is that there are no two gigs of this type alike. >i have never played with another "looper", and what i intend to do >is loop oriented material (more in a jazz vain).......mostly >improv...... Before looking to book gigs, I'd strongly (repeat STRONGLY) suggest you discover whether your style of looping and playing is compatible with others, and adjust your plans accordingly. Until you know the answer to this very important question, gigging is not wise. >anytime someone posts that they have a gig, i wonder how do they >approach this......do you do several sets, or a single set....... This depends largely on what exactly that I'm booked for, duration, atmosphere, acoustics, how much I'm being paid, and a host of other factors. Again, you have to know the specifics of what the gig wants you to do, and then go from there. That said, I generally recommend limiting your set to 1 hour, then taking a break, both for your sanity and for the sanity of your listeners. If you're really going to do research, check out some local musicians of various genres and how they divide their time and build up a set. >do you allow the "vibe" of the setting to direct your playing....... I allow anything and everything to direct the music; it's what improvisation to me is all about. -- the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 22:06:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00543; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:06:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:06:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b701bf355c$bbcb7600$b15bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <38399954.6790F42F@virtulink.com> Subject: Re: Effects as a crutch Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:44:58 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"w3IA12.0.AP6.DwVEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is correct! julio > > > What the hell is an Am#7+9? > > You're going to create an awful lot of confusion > naming chords like that. I'd call it an Am9-maj7. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 23:23:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17295; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:23:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:23:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009f01bf355c$79fdc200$b15bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: Subject: Re: Effects as a crutch-Am#7/9+ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:43:07 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"STC3o3.0.LJ6.SuVEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Use it to ''rest'' after the lV m7 in a minor blues progresion : ) julio ----- Original Message ----- From: Travis Hartnett To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 4:39 PM Subject: Re: Effects as a crutch > It's an A minor tria with a sharp 7 and ninth on top (A C E G# B). > > TH > > > From: David Beardsley > > Organization: SSI > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:58:02 -0500 > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Re: Effects as a crutch > > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:10:08 -0500 > > > > > > What the hell is an Am#7+9? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 23:47:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22282; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:47:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:47:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.16276fbe.256b74c3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:40:35 EST Subject: Lexicon Jamman-Akai midi sequence arpeggiator To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"Fxtrf1.0.s65.0iXEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm curious about a couple of things. Why was the Jam man discontinued and not brought back.....I understand there is some Lexicon product with JamMan features. Did it not make the company money or have enough sales. Has anyone ever tried to hook up an EDP to an AKAI ME20A MIDI SEQUENCE ARPEGGIATOR? I recently picked one up cheap and am intrigued about what could possible result from linking the 2. Be interested to hear. thanks MD From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 22 23:37:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20429; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:37:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:37:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991122224507.007b21c0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:45:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Effects as a crutch In-Reply-To: <199911221325.FAA15325@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"a-hDX2.0.tM2.DuWEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, I know that; it's the guy I was playing with who'd forgotten... I refreshed his memory, though, and now he keeps using my eBow :-) Tim At 07:24 AM 11/22/99 -0600, you wrote: >Hey man, it TAKES a lot of technique to run a huge pedalboard, it's just not >the same technique that you use for a Am#7+9... > >TH > >---------- >>From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >>To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >>Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #456 >>Date: Mon, Nov 22, 1999, 4:10 AM >> > >> In the typical spirit of loop evangelism, I'd been trying >> to get him to take up looping, but he seemed to have turned into a bit of a >> purist, and subtly projected an attitude that "effects" (as he viewed >> looping devices) were gimmicks or crutches to compensate for poor >> technique. Now this is from a guy who used to use a huge pedalboard that >> resembled a scale model of a large city... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 00:02:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25774; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:02:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:02:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.79359781.256b78d4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:57:56 EST Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"EtHVN3.0.496.rxXEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/22/99 7:14:12 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, hartne.t@apple.com writes: << I'd say "no". >> so , independent loopers, when playing together, will need some form of "midi" or something, to sync them?........there seems to be something inorganically wrong with that outlook.......i hope it is not true, but then again, i have not played with other loopers........i have played with another musician into the rang, i.e. two players into one looper.....this was great fun........so travis, are you saying that if i sat down with a rang and you had an edp and there was some other looper in the mix, that we could not create together due to timeing problems?..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 00:22:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31308; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:22:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:22:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.919ed943.256b7d50@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:17:04 EST Subject: Re: gig question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"anE_82.0.HG7.AEYEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/22/99 9:10:37 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com writes: << It depends on the situation >> reverend rob........i thank you for the pointers.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 00:36:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04227; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:36:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:36:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19991122220233.00a05c90@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:05:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician In-Reply-To: <0.79359781.256b78d4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"XcwXH.0.wW6.t2YEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:57 PM 11/22/99 -0500, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/22/99 7:14:12 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, >hartne.t@apple.com writes: > ><< I'd say "no". >> > >so , independent loopers, when playing together, will need some form of >"midi" or something, to sync them? Some will; some won't. I was happily using my RE-301 and a couple RDS-1900s on my end, neither of which had MIDI, with a secondary looper using a drum machine or other and a couple of old Library of Congress tape machines with pitch adjust. The technology never got in the way, nor did we have a problem that was noticed live or in reviewing the concert tapes afterwards. One show we did was that array plus a keyboard player using his echoplex with about 1 minute on the spool as a loop; worked just fine. It all depends on the quality of your musicians and how well they know their equipment. >........there seems to be something >inorganically wrong with that outlook. You'll find absolutists anywhere, who insist that without X or Y that Z is impossible to attain. Half the fun is proving them wrong. :) -- the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 00:52:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08499; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:52:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:52:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.c10f6940.256b83ea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:45:14 EST Subject: Re: Off topic: CD recorders To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"f-hCn.0.0n1.ZeYEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/22/99 4:13:50 PM, myoder@tamiu.edu writes: << This is a little bit off topic, but still relates to our craft: Has anyone had experience with recordable CD machines, such as the TASCAM CD-RW5000 or the Marantz CDR630? In particular, I'm wondering how well their respective "Sample Rate Converters" work (this is the circuitry that automatically converts 48kHz DAT data to 44.1kHz CD data), how easily one can edit song numbering, and how easily one can record one song at a time onto a CD. >> I have a Marantz 615....the Converters sound great to me. Of course there is a difference between 48K and 44.1K, but it still sounds like music ;) You CAN'T edit song numbers on mine. You CAN easily record one song at a time, but it can't be played on a regular CD player until it has been "finalised" (about a 2 minute process that makes the song numbers readable to "Red Book Standards"). John Painter flemingandjohn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 01:45:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18961; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 01:45:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 01:45:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:31:35 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <00de01bf3521$300fd4c0$502310ac@Douglas> Resent-Message-ID: <"V_LUK.0.W84.qMZEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> And the next big challenge we as loopers may care to face is our >> *collective* sense of rhythm. Can two loopers jam and keep the groove, >> hearing each others' loop length and altering phrasing to match? *Without >> the MIDI umbilical cord?* >I'd say "no". Digital is unforgivingly exact, so if you're even two msec >off, after ten cycles through the loop you're very out of sync. > >TH I don't think that's true. It's just a question of learning to use your looping instrument well so that you can manipulate the rhythm to keep things in time. You can do this by retriggering loops on the downbeat manually, or using real-time edits to shorten or lengthen the loops (unrounded multiply on the echoplex, easy..., or pitch/speed controls, time expansion/contraction on other devices), manipulating feedback and overdub to morph your loop to a new rhythm, or even re-recording the loop on the fly to match the changes of others. Any of this can be done seamlessly while playing. It is the same as playing any instrument in a group. Listen to the others, and learn how to manage your own instrument to adjust for things as they change. Hopefully the other players are adjusting themselves to you as well. Rigidity is bad. Of course, some loop tools don't have these features that allow you to easily play with others, and what a darn shame that is. ;-) That all being said, having midi or brothersync keep everything tight automatically is damned nice too. Critical in some situations, but not always practical or necessary. Learn to adapt. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 02:26:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27400; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:26:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:26:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:20:37 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Lexicon Jamman-Akai midi sequence arpeggiator In-reply-to: <0.16276fbe.256b74c3@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bja-Z3.0.6R6.64aEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:40 PM -0800 11/22/99, Madoud@aol.com wrote: >I'm curious about a couple of things. > Why was the Jam man discontinued and not brought back.....I understand >there is some Lexicon product with JamMan features. Did it not make the >company money or have enough sales. Lexicon lost a shitload of money on the jamman. It only became a desirable device well after they discontinued it. Before that time they had a warehouse full of them collecting dust, unsellable. They killed it off and blew out the inventory cheap, and only then did people start wanting it. "looping" was a the butt of many jokes in Lexicon management meetings for quite some time, as I understand. They just didn't realize how much time it takes for ever-conservative musicians to really get interested in new ideas. You need a bit more patience for this sort of thing. With Harman in control there, I really doubt that you will see a lexicon looper anytime soon. Public company: gotta keep the stockholders happy with those nice quarterly earnings reports.....no chance-taking allowed. > Has anyone ever tried to hook up an EDP to an AKAI ME20A MIDI SEQUENCE >ARPEGGIATOR? I recently picked one up cheap and am intrigued about what >could possible result from linking the 2. Be interested to hear. thanks MD If it sends and receives midi clock, it should work fine with the echoplex. You have all sorts of cool rhythmic possibilities, especially if play around with the 8ths/beat parameter on the echoplex and let them sync up to each other with different time signatures. So the arpeggios keep shifting against the loops. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 02:15:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24887; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:15:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:15:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:08:23 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician In-reply-to: <00de01bf3521$300fd4c0$502310ac@Douglas> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GHVId3.0.Iq5.htZEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:00 AM -0800 11/22/99, K. Douglas Baldwin wrote: >As always, Matthias, I enjoy your posts immensely. Some comments on this >most recent thread: > >>>> Some of the last posts about t.c. and such leave the impression that any >>>> delay is a looper as long as it has enough delay time (and is stereo?!). >>>> But a delay unit just repeats all the time! >> >>>> ---> what turns a delay into a loop unit? >> >>As you say it nicely, Dr. Knox: >>> ... making it an "instrument" rather than an "effect" > > >I believe that "making it an instrument" is more internal than external. >For me, the question is "at what length does a delay become an instrument?" >and my answer would be, "around two seconds". For me, the loop length is nearly irrelevant to it being an instrument. What matters is interactivity. An instrument to me includes an interface of some kind that lets my heart, brain, and soul interact and connect with the sound. The interface connects me intuitively, so I express what I want without having to think about the mechanics too much. But interactivity is key. There have to be features to let me continue to work with the sounds, evolve them, change them, screw around with them, be continually involved in it. To me a looper is a data instrument, it lets me manipulate audio data in real time. Add to it, subtract from it, shift it, sequence it, shuffle it, flip it, chop it, mutilate it, reconstruct it, evolve it. The kind of looper that just records something and then just sits there spitting it back at you, offering no way to continue manipulating and interacting with the loop, that's not much of an instrument. It's a passive device, just doing it's thing without you. Might as well play a cd and go home. Similarly with a lot of delay things, its more of an effect. It just sits there doing it's thing, and you don't get involved beyond what sounds you dump into it, and the way you react to the sounds coming out with some other instrument. That's just an effect, not an instrument. It might be a really interesting effect, but still: no user interaction, no instrument. >>I created only textures for about a year. Then, when rhythm came into the >>loops, it was a great revelation! Texture is nice, but groove is a natural >>consequence! > >I wonder if this is an organic, predictable consequence of looping. I >started adding rhythmic pulses early in my "serious" looping experiments >just because it seemed the way to go. I had never heard anyone else doing >guitar-based rhythmic loop music prior to that. It just felt right. To me, looping was always about rhythm from the start. I love the way it forces anything into a rhythm, and the hypnotic, dance-y feel that the locked-in, tight rhythm loop gives. I've long sought rhythm in music anyway, and loops were a perfect way to get more of it. Of course, I can't stand cloudy ambient music, maybe that has something to do with this too. :-) I even fast-forward over the irritating ambient stuff that always seems to be put in the beginning of drum and bass tracks.... But even with ambience, loops force a rhythm. I can see why it might help you ambient guys find the beat. ;-) About time somebody started an interesting thread here. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 04:34:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17641; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:34:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:34:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383A5E2D.A4953542@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 03:28:13 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-ANLo.0.XB4.fvbEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi my name is jimmy george and i am a player and also a looper. my earliest looping device was a pds 2700 1 sec. pedal from digitech. it was and is still used in many of the loops that come also now from the boomerang and various patches of infinite repeat off my johnson 150 and my old 2101 x2 LE. i've used loops under a second for recording textures as well as on stage. it's easy to bring the loops over to the boomerang from any of the devices. looping to me is a very visual means. almost like a moving painting. there's beauty in repetition, especially random repetition like waves, or bringing in and out elements of time to perhaps a based motor loop. the nature of looping i find very meditative. not just in an ambient sense but also in the heavy loops. i am now more interested than ever in the live applications for looping. playing heavily for the last few years has allowed this medium to be exposed to many people who don't normally get an opportunity to hear it. i bring my devises through the house boards, which it times can be very challenging to make work, so that any instrument miked we choose to loop on can be easily accessed. i use this application as well in my solo shows. it gets it to the monitors easily also. my drummers used to wear headphones but have learned to get a proper mix from their monitors before we start instead. headphones can be bulky in the stage heat. looping in the beginning was more of an interesting necessity to enrich the solo shows. like song writing and playing motivates as therapy or to get laid, looping has evolved to be an intricate part of the show. sequencing has played a large part in commercial and experimental music for years. zz top, peter gabriel ect. i like to see looping evolve into it's own like it has for other 'subtle' means such as bass, jaco, acoustic guitar, hedges ect. i find these discussions very intriguing to read and have followed for some time. i have learned much from just keeping up with all the mail posted. if you'd like to hear some of my looping in and inspired by in song check my listening booth at http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com/Music/NewCD/newcd.html i would recommend tracks 'odysseys in black' and 'hard rain' to hear actual loops brought in and out and tracks 'in a scent' and 'utopia' to hear looping inspired songs. (songs that came from looping experiments.) looping to me is a medium just cracked open. it reminds me of other contemporary means to express rhythmically such as rap or any of the various lyrical and tribal sounds coming out today. my main influences such as phillip glass and brian eno remind me yearly where it can be taken. folks like belew and fripp are equally as exciting. id like to see the industry comply with our need for devices that can help us generate the next generation off musicians and music away from the statistic sales of 'sure bet commercial products' they like their safety in numbers and i don't blame them. we can be vocal though and express our wants and needs through forums like this and others to get what we want. 'gig' magazine does not advertise the cookie cutter products that most all music magazines pedal. you do not have to buy his add space for a product review either. the man who makes my guitars, jamie kinscherff http://www.kinscherff.com/ was denied reviews from 'acoustic guitar player' magazine because he would not buy an add in their publication. he was not even listed in their, 'official luthier directory' for texas luthiers. mike built his boomerang because no one else would. i am unfortunately not as technically savvy and am more at the mercy like you. check out the movie 'ground hogs day' the director and bill murry bring looping to the movies! thanks for your time and hope all is well. loop on! jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com Kim Flint wrote: > At 11:00 AM -0800 11/22/99, K. Douglas Baldwin wrote: > >As always, Matthias, I enjoy your posts immensely. Some comments on this > >most recent thread: > > > >>>> Some of the last posts about t.c. and such leave the impression that any > >>>> delay is a looper as long as it has enough delay time (and is stereo?!). > >>>> But a delay unit just repeats all the time! > >> > >>>> ---> what turns a delay into a loop unit? > >> > >>As you say it nicely, Dr. Knox: > >>> ... making it an "instrument" rather than an "effect" > > > > > >I believe that "making it an instrument" is more internal than external. > >For me, the question is "at what length does a delay become an instrument?" > >and my answer would be, "around two seconds". > > For me, the loop length is nearly irrelevant to it being an instrument. > What matters is interactivity. An instrument to me includes an interface of > some kind that lets my heart, brain, and soul interact and connect with the > sound. The interface connects me intuitively, so I express what I want > without having to think about the mechanics too much. But interactivity is > key. There have to be features to let me continue to work with the sounds, > evolve them, change them, screw around with them, be continually involved > in it. To me a looper is a data instrument, it lets me manipulate audio > data in real time. Add to it, subtract from it, shift it, sequence it, > shuffle it, flip it, chop it, mutilate it, reconstruct it, evolve it. > > The kind of looper that just records something and then just sits there > spitting it back at you, offering no way to continue manipulating and > interacting with the loop, that's not much of an instrument. It's a passive > device, just doing it's thing without you. Might as well play a cd and go > home. > > Similarly with a lot of delay things, its more of an effect. It just sits > there doing it's thing, and you don't get involved beyond what sounds you > dump into it, and the way you react to the sounds coming out with some > other instrument. That's just an effect, not an instrument. It might be a > really interesting effect, but still: no user interaction, no instrument. > > >>I created only textures for about a year. Then, when rhythm came into the > >>loops, it was a great revelation! Texture is nice, but groove is a natural > >>consequence! > > > >I wonder if this is an organic, predictable consequence of looping. I > >started adding rhythmic pulses early in my "serious" looping experiments > >just because it seemed the way to go. I had never heard anyone else doing > >guitar-based rhythmic loop music prior to that. It just felt right. > > To me, looping was always about rhythm from the start. I love the way it > forces anything into a rhythm, and the hypnotic, dance-y feel that the > locked-in, tight rhythm loop gives. I've long sought rhythm in music > anyway, and loops were a perfect way to get more of it. > > Of course, I can't stand cloudy ambient music, maybe that has something to > do with this too. :-) I even fast-forward over the irritating ambient > stuff that always seems to be put in the beginning of drum and bass > tracks.... > > But even with ambience, loops force a rhythm. I can see why it might help > you ambient guys find the beat. ;-) > > About time somebody started an interesting thread here. :-) > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 05:04:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23104; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 05:04:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 05:04:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7686E88F1253D311A867006008CD059F0FFEC1@0-mail-1.hpl.hp.com> From: "Solomon, Charlie" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Cc: "'Charlie Solomon(hplb)'" Subject: PC cntl of Lexicon MPX-G2 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:57:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"8BHMf2.0.WM5.GKcEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's been some discussion of MIDI control pedals for the likes of the Lexicon MPX-1. I don't know about the rest of you, but trying to navigate the complex innards of effects processors with a 1" x 3" window is like trying to do landscape photography through a key hole! Does anyone have experience or recommendations on how to tame these beasts through PC MIDI software? I'm particularly interested in a package that can be used to reflect the internal effects routing (split, merge, feedback, etc.) on a PC screen (in addition to remotely modify effects parameters). Thanks for any and all info. -chas- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 05:48:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30769; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 05:48:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 05:48:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002801bf359e$295674e0$6df538cb@oemcomputer> From: "Steven Woods" To: References: <7686E88F1253D311A867006008CD059F0FFEC1@0-mail-1.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Re: PC cntl of Lexicon MPX-G2 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:33:03 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"MZ7u_2.0.8l6.ipcEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The MPX 500 seems to be Lexicons first serious effort at a decent sized display. Steven Woods swoods@comcen.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: Solomon, Charlie To: Cc: 'Charlie Solomon(hplb)' Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 8:57 PM Subject: PC cntl of Lexicon MPX-G2 > There's been some discussion of MIDI control pedals for the likes of the > Lexicon MPX-1. I don't know about the rest of you, but trying to navigate > the complex innards of effects processors with a 1" x 3" window is like > trying to do landscape photography through a key hole! > > Does anyone have experience or recommendations on how to tame these beasts > through PC MIDI software? > > I'm particularly interested in a package that can be used to reflect the > internal effects routing (split, merge, feedback, etc.) on a PC screen (in > addition to remotely modify effects parameters). > > Thanks for any and all info. > -chas- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 08:07:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21403; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:07:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:07:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384247926.943361586988.JavaMail.root@web10.pub01> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:53:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Kyma? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 193.243.161.92 Resent-Message-ID: <"c16jb3.0.QX4.DveEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Any of you lucky sods had a chance to try the Symbolic Sounds Kyma system? I've been reading about it in relation to John Paul Jones, who uses it for "ghostly accompaniment" on a track on his new album "Zooma". Symbolic sound is at http://www.symbolicsound.com/ , JPJ can be found at http://www.johnpauljones.com/ , and his album is marketed by Discipline Global Mobile ( http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/ ), the label run by another famous looper... I can't comment personally, since it's still beyond my budget, but I can confirm JPJ is using it live on tour, so it's robust enough for that. Anyway... Brian Thomson, Dublin IE bnt@email.com (ceci n'est pas un .sig) ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 09:38:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07053; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:38:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:38:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <03bc01bf35bf$0ea78af0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Kyma? Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:28:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"BnmdZ3.0.QK1.rJgEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't have one yet. I plan to get one in the next year. I got the manual (35 USD) and its features are incredible! I'm fortunate living where I do in Indiana (for once!) 'cause the Kyma folks are only about 1.5 hours away. I plan to go look at one after reading the manual. The Kyma/Capybara system has been talked about, off and on, on the list but has anybody actually got one? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian Thomson, London UK To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 8:21 AM Subject: Kyma? >Any of you lucky sods had a chance to try the Symbolic Sounds Kyma system? I've been reading about it in relation to John Paul Jones, who uses it for "ghostly accompaniment" on a track on his new album "Zooma". > >Symbolic sound is at http://www.symbolicsound.com/ , JPJ can be found at http://www.johnpauljones.com/ , and his album is marketed by Discipline Global Mobile ( http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/ ), the label run by another famous looper... > >I can't comment personally, since it's still beyond my budget, but I can confirm JPJ is using it live on tour, so it's robust enough for that. > >Anyway... > >Brian Thomson, Dublin IE >bnt@email.com >(ceci n'est pas un .sig) > >----------------------------------------------- >FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com >Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 10:05:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12268; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:05:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:05:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7686E88F1253D311A867006008CD059F0FFEC8@0-mail-1.hpl.hp.com> From: "Solomon, Charlie" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Cc: "'Charlie Solomon(hplb)'" Subject: RE: PC cntl of Lexicon MPX-G2 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:58:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"4XEwC3.0.bi2.6lgEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steve, Do you have any pointers to web info on the MPX500. I've heard about it but I haven't laid eyes on anything yet. Even the Lexicon web site is devoid off anything but a news release. You don't happen to know if anyone's got a PC controller software for the 500 do you? Cheers, -chas- -----Original Message----- From: Steven Woods [mailto:swoods@comcen.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 1999 10:33 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PC cntl of Lexicon MPX-G2 The MPX 500 seems to be Lexicons first serious effort at a decent sized display. Steven Woods swoods@comcen.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: Solomon, Charlie To: Cc: 'Charlie Solomon(hplb)' Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 8:57 PM Subject: PC cntl of Lexicon MPX-G2 > There's been some discussion of MIDI control pedals for the likes of the > Lexicon MPX-1. I don't know about the rest of you, but trying to navigate > the complex innards of effects processors with a 1" x 3" window is like > trying to do landscape photography through a key hole! > > Does anyone have experience or recommendations on how to tame these beasts > through PC MIDI software? > > I'm particularly interested in a package that can be used to reflect the > internal effects routing (split, merge, feedback, etc.) on a PC screen (in > addition to remotely modify effects parameters). > > Thanks for any and all info. > -chas- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 11:08:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25302; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:08:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:08:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.10eeb741.256c12c6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:54:46 EST Subject: Re: Kyma? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"fBSbP2.0.rb5.3ahEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com at the kyma site, they offer a demo cd........pretty interesting stuff........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 11:26:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30119; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:26:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:26:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012201bf35ce$84233c20$3f2a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Travis Hartnett" , Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:57:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"A5OyL.0.Vp6.HvhEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, November 22, 1999 4:03 PM Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician >I'd say "no". Digital is unforgivingly exact, so if you're even two msec >off, after ten cycles through the loop you're very out of sync. > >TH Ah, but two milliseconds times ten cycles is only 20 ms. That's flange/chorus range. Very little groove-disturbing problem there. The problems arise when you're off by, say 5% of the tempo, which many people easily do when rushing the beat. THAT rapidly becomes annoying to the groove. What I envision is two or more players who can create a collective groove and edit their own loops on the fly to honor said groove. Reset loop length, drop out rhythmns that wander too far, control feedback/regeneration, etc. It's a dream but worth working on. Takes sensitivity and alertness. I was demoing a couple of 4-track cassette recorders last night and tried multi-track looping on them. Came out like MUD. So I'm working on it. > >> >> And the next big challenge we as loopers may care to face is our >> *collective* sense of rhythm. Can two loopers jam and keep the groove, >> hearing each others' loop length and altering phrasing to match? *Without >> the MIDI umbilical cord?* > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 11:42:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01215; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:42:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:42:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:18:46 -0600 Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XOS6E3.0.Lz6.8whEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Retriggering a loop every eight seconds (to pick a random usable length) sounds like a drag when I'm trying to also play a traditional instrument and add to the loop. Also, I don't know an easy way to edit off a two millisecond timing glitch in the heat of battle if one's tap accuracy is +/- two milliseconds (which is what started the problem in the first place). Plus...the other musicians have their own rhythmic inaccura--uh, "feel" and if they push forward to meet the loop while you're shaving time off the loop at the same time, things can get avant garde real quick. No-one's time is perfect, but good musicians are constantly adjusting to the other musicians so everything hangs together. A looping device doesn't listen and can't stretch the last beat of a bar or hurry on the one to meet what's going on with the rest of ensemble. If you have two looping devices, unsynced, and you're concerned about interlocking rhythmic patterns while perhaps also keeping time with a drummer, than you've really got your work cut out for you. I think many people will find it too much to juggle. None of which means you can't use multiple looping devices in an ensemble situation, but you may have to shift your musical approach to accommodate the technology. TH > > I don't think that's true. It's just a question of learning to use your > looping instrument well so that you can manipulate the rhythm to keep > things in time. You can do this by retriggering loops on the downbeat > manually, or using real-time edits to shorten or lengthen the loops > (unrounded multiply on the echoplex, easy..., or pitch/speed controls, time > expansion/contraction on other devices), manipulating feedback and overdub > to morph your loop to a new rhythm, or even re-recording the loop on the > fly to match the changes of others. Any of this can be done seamlessly > while playing. > > It is the same as playing any instrument in a group. Listen to the others, > and learn how to manage your own instrument to adjust for things as they > change. Hopefully the other players are adjusting themselves to you as > well. Rigidity is bad. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 12:03:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05593; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:03:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:03:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:36:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Carter To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician In-Reply-To: <012201bf35ce$84233c20$3f2a10ac@Douglas> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"doUI5.0.Q_7.kCiEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, if you had two nominal 8 second loops running 2ms out of sync. it would take almost nine hours for the phase to get back to the original pattern. hmmmmmmm, minimalist flanging. That could be interesting. If you ran two EDPs with 198 and 197.99 sec loops it would take over ninty days to come back to the "start". Now there's a project I should have started ninty days before the millennium. Jim Carter Bristol UK Tel. (44) 117 9289934 FAX (44) 117 9293746 e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 12:16:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08895; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:16:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:16:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:34:13 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Nemoguitt@aol.com Subject: Re: > loopist > musician > looper sync Resent-Message-ID: <"Qhmiq3.0.ct7.u8iEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> Travis wrote... << I'd say "no". >> > Nemoguitt (or MichaelNOTMiko) wrote... > so , independent loopers, when playing together, will need some form of "midi" or something, to sync them?........there seems to be something inorganically wrong with that outlook.......i hope it is not true, but then again, i have not played with other loopers........i have played with another musician into the rang, i.e. two players into one looper.....this was great fun........so travis, are you saying that if i sat down with a rang and you had an edp and there was some other looper in the mix, that we could not create together due to timeing roblems?....michael My strategy in a situation with multiple unsynched loopers is that the first looper gets dibbs on the rhythmic motif and the others are subjugated to ambient/atmospheric stuff. This usually works just fine because you can sort of pass the beat around as you segue from one thing to the next, leapfrog style. Makes for good variety and each member gets their chance to build their own composition... That said... It's extremely hard to really match tempos when tapping in 4 - 8 - even 16 beat phrases... but the longer the phrase the more likely you'll be able to hang together rythymically for at least a couple or more repeats. That's why (when not synched via midi) super long phrases are sometimes the way to go. Now with the EDP and it's quantize functions, I've heard that using a short segment and using insert or multiply to increase the length actually will keep it more accurately synched to a clock... midi I presume. But unsynched is another story. It's actually quite humorous (and daunting) how quickly a short phrase can cartwheel out of time despite an insanely concentrated effort to accurately tap it in. It's amazing! Now and then you can really nail it, but it's pretty tough. Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 14:08:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02142; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:08:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:08:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:38:09 -0600 Subject: Re: Where to Repair? From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.34c7d2cd.256c3740@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XAUR_1.0.oJ7.U3kEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Have you checked the fuse? It's on the inside, the value is printed on the circuit board. TH > From: BByLng734@aol.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:30:24 -0500 (EST) > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Where to Repair? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:34:58 -0500 > > Plan B: The problem is that my EDP will not power up. Previous to this > malfunction, all systems were go. I return, flip the switch, and...nothing. > Can anyone suggest a diagnosis? Does this sound like something a skillful > layman could take care of? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 14:11:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03010; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:11:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:11:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: BByLng734@aol.com Message-ID: <0.34c7d2cd.256c3740@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:30:24 EST Subject: Where to Repair? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"9bTYy3.0.xU6.vrjEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, folks - I am in search of a qualified technician or service center to which I can send my EDP for repair. Is this a clambering-for-lifeboats-off-the-Titanic kind of situation? Are those who attempt an independent solution adrift for weeks with no sign of rescue? Is H.R.S. Oberheim sinking to the murk of the Gibson Ocean to rest with the wrecks of the other companies it's swallowed? Seriously - someone throw me a life jacket! I'm willing to ship anywhere good work will be done. Plan B: The problem is that my EDP will not power up. Previous to this malfunction, all systems were go. I return, flip the switch, and...nothing. Can anyone suggest a diagnosis? Does this sound like something a skillful layman could take care of? Thanks - Rob Lang (Responses to my main query would be of interest to the general readership - If anyone has info specific to my problem and has the initiative, feel free to email me personally) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 14:46:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10125; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:46:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:46:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383AD631.8E92E467@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:00:18 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Jeff Mcleod and Stull Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GTyhm.0.ar1.PlkEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I sent this once but it never showed up so I am sending it again. I was really glad that I made this show. The last time I had a thrill ride like Stull gave me was cliff diving on mescaline back in about 71'! Chops galore and total improv with looping led to a great show, thanks Jeff! jd Jeff & Vonda McLeod wrote: > Hi, all... > Here's a reminder and directions about and to my gig in Atlanta this > weekend. If you're in or around the area, please try to come out. Thanks! > Sincerely, > Jeff McLeod From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 15:26:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19374; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:26:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:26:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <0.31fbab9d.256c4f2b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:12:27 EST Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"epo4V1.0.vu3.kLlEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There is a rhythm to everything including stillness. But I do know that I'm at my threshold of tolerance in regard to spacey music that barrels endlessly with no counter point ( or point ) of either melody and interesting or engaging rhythm. Being boring for the sake of being boring is all too common, even on the dance floor. I just wish there were more ways to isolate and slap a loop around without adding to the loop per se but still having the option of putting layers/tracks in the loop if so desired. But I'd like to do it with one unit instead of 2 or more. whether its 2 secs or 4 minutes of loop time it would be neat to have morpheus like z-plane set of f/x/filters and controls to twist individual layers/traks...& I guess I'm dreaming of perhaps a more intelligent and souped - hybrid vortex - EDP w/a long loop time thingey of sorts but i would also like the ability to be able to save and recall 2 or more trackscertain # of tracks and get midi features too. aNY IDEAS ON HOW OR WHERE U CAN FIND ONE OF DESE BAD BOYS ? ooos cap lock got stuck JP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 15:44:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24028; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:44:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:44:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991123200813.0095af00@pop.dial.pipex.com> X-Sender: mayr65@pop.dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:15:26 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Steve Newland Subject: Oberheim EDP noise Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Sb-r91.0.ZW4.3VlEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, I am new to the list and need some help. I am the UK and have just bought a used EDP and foot switch. It seems very noisy, I have the input right down but the recorded sound is distorting and there is a oscillating in the background. Is this a known problem? The unit is physically in top condition, original packing, manual etc. It seems to be running software 3.2, can I get the upgrade hear in the UK? Any help appreciated. Regards Steve Newland From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 17:13:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12075; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:13:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:13:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383AF0D0.5F21D13F@easystreet.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:53:52 -0800 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Reply-To: dgoat@sekhetmaat.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician References: <4.1.19991122220233.00a05c90@realm-of-shade.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IlXUs2.0.F9.CMmEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 the Reverend Rob wrote: First off, I didn't know you were a looping musician! Good to see you here as well as on thelema93-l. > One show we did was that array plus a keyboard player using his echoplex > with about 1 minute on the spool as a loop; worked just fine. > > It all depends on the quality of your musicians and how well they know > their equipment. As always. > >........there seems to be something > >inorganically wrong with that outlook. > > You'll find absolutists anywhere, who insist that without X or Y that Z is > impossible to attain. Half the fun is proving them wrong. :) Heh. I, on the other hand, have has grave difficulties getting a simple 2-chord looped vamp synched by the bassist and drummer, and they were both good players. It certainly isn't impossible to get multiple loopers etc playing in sync, but the nature of machines makes it difficult. The solution is to have a loop device that can actually "listen" and follow "groove" and not just machine time. 93 Fr. Doubt-Goat +++ +++++ +++ Sekhet-Maat Oasis, O.T.O. http://www.sekhetmaat.com +++ +++++ +++ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 22:02:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10721; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:02:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:02:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.44ad8953.256ca96d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:37:33 EST Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"tmdHe1.0.YB1.i-qEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/23/99 2:41:54 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, hartne.t@apple.com writes: << but you may have to shift your musical approach to accommodate the technology. >> and therein lies a lot of fun.........but then again.........:)...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 22:03:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10866; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:03:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:03:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.7927a5e1.2568fff4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:33:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: One MIDI Controller for multiple Loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"wA33E1.0.x61.GzqEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 11/21/99 John Fleming said: >I have an EDP and two JamDudes synced to a Drum Machine (drum machine is >master). Everything is connected to a MOTO midi express MIDI router so the >drum machine sync goes to all three loopers. I just purchased a Ground >Control, and am considering using it to control both of the JamMen...maybe a >different bank for each unit, or if possible I could split the Ground Control >"half & half" between the JamDudes... I will probably still use SOME regular >footswitches, and then the Ground Control for extra features. >I have the Foot Controller for my EDP, but am interested in experimenting >with added MIDI control as well. Has anyone tried this before? John, I control two jam men and two echoplexi from my PMC-10. I have them set up in pairs the jamsters and the plexers. All are on separate MIDI channels. In this way I can trigger each individual looper or control them in pairs, since the PMC-10 allows you to transmit over more than one MIDI channel at a time, Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 23 23:05:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25847; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:05:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:05:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003b01bf362c$2bfb1780$556fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: "Loopers" Subject: chord pop menu Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:29:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"4yNAh.0.7e4._qrEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this link is for all you people who like to argue about what a chord is what but don't bother to look it up.lol just kidding. hope it works. good luck postaldave@qx.net http://www.ws64.com/buttons/_popup.jpg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 01:12:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21873; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:12:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:12:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <0.15110b2f.256cd956@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:01:58 EST Subject: homemade, long delay tape player modification To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"cyJpB1.0.wu4.9-tEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com has anybody modified a regular home tape deck(with simul record/play feature)to allow for really long delay times(no layering, as in frippetronics stuff) just a LONG delay i assume it would have to take the tape out and run it through lots of internal loops , and perhaps run the tape even slower than normal so that one can can play into the thing(with perhaps only the WET from some odd effect going into the deck)and , say, 10min later have some freaky accompinament with what your playing in real time rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 01:36:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26339; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:36:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:36:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <0.2bf532af.256cd865@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:57:57 EST Subject: software run hardware looper(fx)? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"YaJiQ1.0.Ae4.YwtEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does anybody know of a company that makes a hardware interface for software dsp(not like kyma) more like a box with a bunch of knobs on it, that one can(usnig a computer)generate dsp algorithms that can be uploaded to the box, and the used as such(like the nordmodular keyboard) perhaps even 'presets' stored in the box itself its seems like such a good idea, somebody must be making something like that maybe even a MAXbox(that can give realtime control over the programs, just without the mac, just the box) thanks rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 01:56:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29872; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:56:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:56:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010801bf3455$20c96fc0$b25bdfc8@doutor> References: <3834D4C7.91B13972@latrobe.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:47:09 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician and swingy sex . Resent-Message-ID: <"KL2Ps.0.6x6.1euEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> In parallel I learned to make love nicely and yell less at people ;-) Julio Moreno: >Yes...making love with ''swingest'' people , you learn the waist and hip >movements ,wich are essencial to play with swing and groove...This is the >diference between Chick Corea Electric Band and Santana Band : ) .The >first one it's ''thight'' , the second one ''swings''. I did not so much refer to physical movements than to sensibility and less agony, but you are right anyway. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 01:52:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29476; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:52:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:52:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <0.16276fbe.256b74c3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:47:09 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Lexicon Jamman-Akai midi sequence arpeggiator Resent-Message-ID: <"xlvAT.0.oy6.AeuEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >At 8:40 PM -0800 11/22/99, Madoud@aol.com wrote: >>I'm curious about a couple of things. >> Why was the Jam man discontinued and not brought back.....I understand >>there is some Lexicon product with JamMan features. Did it not make the >>company money or have enough sales. Kim: >Lexicon lost a shitload of money on the jamman. It only became a desirable >device well after they discontinued it. Before that time they had a >warehouse full of them collecting dust, unsellable. They killed it off and >blew out the inventory cheap, and only then did people start wanting it. >"looping" was a the butt of many jokes in Lexicon management meetings for >quite some time, as I understand. > >They just didn't realize how much time it takes for ever-conservative >musicians to really get interested in new ideas. You need a bit more >patience for this sort of thing. > >With Harman in control there, I really doubt that you will see a lexicon >looper anytime soon. Public company: gotta keep the stockholders happy with >those nice quarterly earnings reports.....no chance-taking allowed. Thats a point to remember, thinking of "bad" Gibson and problems at Oberheims manufacturing: At least they took the risk and did not give up. A merit of Keith McMillen and Kim Flint and Henry Juszkiewicz and some other enthusiast at Oberheim. For example: I had visited t.c. to explain the loop functions long before Gibson found me. While the EDPs future was unsecure, I contacted them again, offering help to include looping in one of their brilliant stereo units. And now they launch another delay unit without looping functions! Then again, if Gibson had to pay our salaries for the developpment, they may have given up, too, right, Kim? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 01:55:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29777; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:55:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:55:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.79359781.256b78d4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:47:09 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician Resent-Message-ID: <"4gIOa3.0.xx6.5euEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >In a message dated 11/22/99 7:14:12 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, >hartne.t@apple.com writes: > ><< I'd say "no". >> > >so , independent loopers, when playing together, will need some form of >"midi" or something, to sync them?........there seems to be something >inorganically wrong with that outlook.......i hope it is not true, but then >again, i have not played with other loopers........i have played with another >musician into the rang, i.e. two players into one looper.....this was great >fun........so travis, are you saying that if i sat down with a rang and you >had an edp and there was some other looper in the mix, that we could not >create together due to timeing problems?..........michael thats pretty much how I see it ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 02:05:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31658; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:05:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:05:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00de01bf3521$300fd4c0$502310ac@Douglas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:47:09 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician Resent-Message-ID: <"6w-QN.0.Xx6.2euEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Douglas Baldwin: >I believe that "making it an instrument" is more internal than external. Rather a question of atitude than loop time, you mean? I guess so... >For me, the question is "at what length does a delay become an instrument?" >and my answer would be, "around two seconds". I've never worked with delays >longer than the twenty-some seconds of the Headrush, except for an old tape >Echoplex which could do sound-on-sound recording over the entire length of >the tape - about two minutes as I recall. I had that unit back in the late >70's, and I couldn't quite focus enough to make that happen, but I'd like to >try again sometime. So with "more than two seconds" and "less than two >minutes" I feel I'm looping. I like Kims view of *interaction* a lot. But speaking of time, probably the number of repetitions is important, too: a quick fading half second delay is an effect, but a constantely repeating half second loop is a base to play to, so I would consider it looping. > BTW, who is Dr. Knox??? "b.knox" started this thread. Since he did not mention his first name, I gave him a title (very common here in Bahia). I remember there was a comic person, an inventor or so with that name... ;-) >>I created only textures for about a year. Then, when rhythm came into the >>loops, it was a great revelation! Texture is nice, but groove is a natural >>consequence! > >I wonder if this is an organic, predictable consequence of looping. I >started adding rhythmic pulses early in my "serious" looping experiments >just because it seemed the way to go. I had never heard anyone else doing >guitar-based rhythmic loop music prior to that. It just felt right. I did not think of it as a consequence of looping so much, but of sound, maybe even creation. When I play to guided meditation and speeches, I interprete the first time after the big bang (which is to loud to play ;-) as a long bass note that becomes more complex and eventually starts to oscilate and acelerate into a pulsing that represents work and history... that could be another thread about "musical archetypes"... >>> don't you need MIDI in there somewhere as well? > >And the next big challenge we as loopers may care to face is our >*collective* sense of rhythm. Can two loopers jam and keep the groove, >hearing each others' loop length and altering phrasing to match? *Without >the MIDI umbilical cord?* so far I dont see it without umbilical cord, since no unit is flexible in adapting to rhythm variations, so we have to accept the delay time as base and connect the machines to agree on it. But once you do this, its great to loop together! (there are some samples on my site, with David Hoppkins, Bira Reis, >>The very last step probably is to do it without loops at all. ;-) > >BINGO! Like the Sufi musician, whose name escapes me, who stopped "playing" >music when he saw that music was all around him. He wrote the book which has >been discussed here before... "Mysticism in Sound and Music"? Yes, I thought of him, too: Hazrat Inayat Kahn. The book I read was simply called "music" and a music history specialist recently mentioned that he considers it the most advanced book about music so far. then again, I did no mean it so serious: lets loop while we like it! ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 02:22:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02957; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:22:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:22:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <012201bf35ce$84233c20$3f2a10ac@Douglas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:46:01 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician Resent-Message-ID: <"NN-TR1.0.9v6.1duEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Travis Hartnett >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Monday, November 22, 1999 4:03 PM >Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician > > >>I'd say "no". Digital is unforgivingly exact, so if you're even two msec >>off, after ten cycles through the loop you're very out of sync. >> >>TH > > Ah, but two milliseconds times ten cycles is only 20 ms. That's >flange/chorus range. Very little groove-disturbing problem there. The >problems arise when you're off by, say 5% of the tempo, which many people >easily do when rushing the beat. THAT rapidly becomes annoying to the >groove. What I envision is two or more players who can create a collective >groove and edit their own loops on the fly to honor said groove. Reset loop >length, drop out rhythmns that wander too far, control >feedback/regeneration, etc. It's a dream but worth working on. Takes >sensitivity and alertness. I was demoing a couple of 4-track cassette >recorders last night and tried multi-track looping on them. Came out like >MUD. So I'm working on it. Its not that dificult actually: Recently I had a visit of a flute teacher. She said she had never played into a microphonem, but insisted in trying to loop. She got it very quickly and I synced two plexes and we had a long night with mostly nicely synced loops. It only was not perfect because I had a working soft version with a stupid bug :-( With other partners it was not quite that quick, but not a problem! ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 02:11:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00778; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:11:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:11:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <00de01bf3521$300fd4c0$502310ac@Douglas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:47:09 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: instrument and interactivity Resent-Message-ID: <"k3PAd3.0.Ly6.7euEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>I believe that "making it an instrument" is more internal than external. >>For me, the question is "at what length does a delay become an instrument?" >>and my answer would be, "around two seconds". I like this one a lot, Kim (after the thousands of mails we exchanged, you still surprise me ;-) : >For me, the loop length is nearly irrelevant to it being an instrument. >What matters is interactivity. An instrument to me includes an interface of >some kind that lets my heart, brain, and soul interact and connect with the >sound. The interface connects me intuitively, so I express what I want >without having to think about the mechanics too much. But interactivity is >key. There have to be features to let me continue to work with the sounds, >evolve them, change them, screw around with them, be continually involved >in it. To me a looper is a data instrument, it lets me manipulate audio >data in real time. Add to it, subtract from it, shift it, sequence it, >shuffle it, flip it, chop it, mutilate it, reconstruct it, evolve it. > >The kind of looper that just records something and then just sits there >spitting it back at you, offering no way to continue manipulating and >interacting with the loop, that's not much of an instrument. It's a passive >device, just doing it's thing without you. Might as well play a cd and go >home. > >Similarly with a lot of delay things, its more of an effect. It just sits >there doing it's thing, and you don't get involved beyond what sounds you >dump into it, and the way you react to the sounds coming out with some >other instrument. That's just an effect, not an instrument. It might be a >really interesting effect, but still: no user interaction, no instrument. I just would like to add, that interaction can happen on various levels: - buttons, controllers - a characteristic of the effect. For example a good distortion increases expression, the player can "animate" it with various playing tecniques, so it turns part of the instrument and does not just "sit there", although it may just have a on/off control. - algorithms: the instrument can analize the players expression and automatically change its parameters. The thouch-wah is a rather primitive example, at the universities, much more sophisticated ones are developped (Buchla...). I think in the future, this technology will become much more important. The user will have to study or even build the algorithm to learn to interact with it, as if it was "the second part" of his instrument, still completely controled by fingers on strings or mouthpiece or whatever. A future looper may recognize the tempo of the player, maybe automatically filter out things when the loop becomes overloaded, work out accents... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 03:57:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18959; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:57:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:57:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:41:22 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <0.44ad8953.256ca96d@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"K77Sb.0.T_3.HJwEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think this is where the dangers begin. Weren't all the toys meant to "enhance" our music, not the other way around? | -----Original Message----- | From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] | Sent: Tuesday 23 November 1999 6:38 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician | | | In a message dated 11/23/99 2:41:54 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, | hartne.t@apple.com writes: | | << but you may have to shift your musical approach to accommodate | the technology. >> | | and therein lies a lot of fun.........but then | again.........:)...........michael | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 04:49:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28275; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:49:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:49:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911240935.BAA17865@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:33:23 -0800 Subject: looking for a boomerang From: "Craig Zarkos" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5mzrH3.0.2O6.56xEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If any one has one for sale or knows where i can find one I'd really appreciate the help.I've called numerous stores to no avail and haven't had got a machine or a human at the numbers listed on the Boomerang web site. thanks, Craig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 07:13:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20668; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:13:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:13:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991124070814.007ae530@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:08:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician In-Reply-To: References: <0.44ad8953.256ca96d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ir2gr.0.Zr4.vLzEu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Now there's a great big can o' worms... I guess it all depends on what you mean by "our music", at what stage in the process you're talking about. The logical conclusion of your question would be that we have no need of new instruments, new technology or even new tunes because "our music" already exists as a static entity in a finished, perfect form. I know that's taking it a lot further than the point you were making, but it's the view at one end of that spectrum. On the other hand, looking at "our music" as an evolving, living thing, unfolding over millenia, defining and clarifying our cultural identity, it becomes more apparent that the state-of-the-art has always influenced the results. When a bunch of cavemen were banging on logs and one of them stretched a piece of hide over the hollow end of one one, the direction of music changed as a result of this new technology. If you think of "our music" as the potential existing in a composer's head rather than an established repertoire of musical pieces and techniques it's easier to incorporate the concept of shifting a musical approach to accomodate technology. As an example, think of someone who plays a monophonic instrument, maybe a flautist. If this person wants to perform a polyphonic piece in real time that used to mean writing out the parts and hiring additional players (no, I'm not heading for the "technology causes unemployment" thread; I'm talking about the creative process...). But looping technology has made it possible for that flautist to build and layer parts in real time and to create a performance that would not have be possible without the technology. However, the approach is not identical with the way he or she may have written the parts out the old way, so we can see how the technology IS shaping the music. I know what you're saying, Javier, and I completely agree that there are many dangers and potential compromises associated with relying too heavily on the new tools. (I'm thinking of those EH "space drums" again and imagining how horrible it would be if they'd been embraced more ubiquitously; 9 out of 10 songs on the radio going booo-booo-BOOOOO!) But as long as it's used creatively, there's no reason why technology can't peacefully co-exist with traditional technique, shaping the music of tomorrow symbiotically. We're not talking about pressing "auto-play" (although some of the generative software like Koan might be grist for another discussion), but it's important to remember that any tool that allows a musician to realize the music that exists in his or her imagination IS valid, even if it means we need to re-evaluate our definitions of musicianship. We still need to know how to play and write, and we still need to practice and refine our skills, but there's so much more possibility with an open mind to new approaches, and this is how "our music" evolves. Tim At 12:41 AM 11/24/99 -0800, Javier Miranda wrote: >I think this is where the dangers begin. Weren't all the toys meant to >"enhance" our music, not the other way around? > | In a message dated 11/23/99 2:41:54 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, > | hartne.t@apple.com writes: > | > | << but you may have to shift your musical approach to accommodate > | the technology. >> > | > | and therein lies a lot of fun.........but then > | again.........:)...........michael > | > | > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 09:48:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17556; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:48:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:48:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991124094648.007aa100@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: coirbidh_99@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:46:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Scott A. Martin" Subject: DL-4 available NOW! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"BhOcb3.0.tp3.OZ_Eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looperfolks- I had the privilege yesterday of playing with one of the new Line 6 DL-4s at Elderly Instruments in Lansing. While my experience with looping is basically nil (which is why I won't offer a full review), it was definitely a fun little box. The sound is great! I especially like the reverse and half/double speed options (enough that I'm rethinking my decision to purchase a Headrush, although at the moment I'm probably better served by the ability to undo my mistakes =). Two gripes: (1) the height of the box makes it a little tricky to hit the footswitches, unless you're lifting your foot completely off the floor to stomp on the thing; (2) it's difficult to remember to press Play/Stop to close the initial loop. I kept pressing Record/Overdub instead, and inadvertently adding things to the loop. I also got to sit in on a demo of the DL-4s other functions by one of the store personnel (a GOOD guitarist!), and they sound terrific as well. Everyone who played with or heard this box was very impressed with its quality and ease of use. Elderly has these in stock and ready to ship, and at the best prices I've yet seen - $235! Check www.elderly.com, or call (517) 372-7890 for their mail-order division. Scott Martin Morrigan Records scott@morriganrecords.com http://www.morriganrecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 10:03:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20760; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:03:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:03:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:40:01 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: > loopist > musician > looper sync Resent-Message-ID: <"EH3tD2.0.np3.OZ_Eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >That said... It's extremely hard to really match tempos when tapping >in 4 - 8 - even 16 beat phrases... but the longer the phrase the more >likely you'll be able to hang together rythymically for at least a >couple or more repeats. That's why (when not synched via midi) super >long phrases are sometimes the way to go. true >Now with the EDP and it's quantize functions, I've heard that using a >short segment and using insert or multiply to increase the length >actually will keep it more accurately synched to a clock... midi I >presume. it works with MIDI, but better with BrotherSync. No clicks. And with the moment you start recording, you can choose whether you will be synced or not (to do the free stuff). The advantages of multiplied short loops as base are: - the player that comes in later can start with a short loop - the multiples can be different for each player. Very interesting: the rhythm goes on perfectly, but at each repetition, longer phrases on top of it shift from each other. - the second player can come in sooner. Using BrotherSync in the version I am working on, the second player can start his recording while the first is still recording. And it works free like multiply with rounding and green counter! No quantizing is necessary! You may choose it though, especially when playing straight drum machine or sequencer stuff. I dont like it ;-) ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 10:04:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20971; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:04:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:04:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.31fbab9d.256c4f2b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:44:17 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician Resent-Message-ID: <"JTIiN1.0.g24.Md_Eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Being boring for the sake of being boring is all too common, even on the >dance floor. Being uncommon for the sake of being uncommon is all too boring Being boring for the sake of being common is also very common. Being common for the sake of being uncommon is uncommon. ... >I just wish there were more ways to isolate and slap a loop around without >adding to the loop per se but still having the option of putting >layers/tracks in the loop if so desired. But I'd like to do it with one >unit instead of 2 or more. > >whether its 2 secs or 4 minutes of loop time it would be neat to have >morpheus like z-plane set of f/x/filters and controls to twist individual >layers/traks...& I guess I'm dreaming of perhaps a more intelligent and >souped - hybrid vortex - EDP w/a long loop time thingey of sorts but i >would also like the ability to be able to save and recall 2 or more >trackscertain # of tracks and get midi features too. > >aNY IDEAS ON HOW OR WHERE U CAN FIND ONE OF DESE BAD BOYS ? ooos cap lock >got stuck :-) I also have some such dreams... but there is a lot we can do with what exists. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 10:05:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21069; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:05:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:05:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <012201bf35ce$84233c20$3f2a10ac@Douglas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:40:39 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician Resent-Message-ID: <"psaOF.0.kq3.wZ_Eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hey, > >if you had two nominal 8 second loops running 2ms out of sync. >it would take almost nine hours for the phase to get back >to the original pattern. > >hmmmmmmm, minimalist flanging. That could be interesting. > >If you ran two EDPs with 198 and 197.99 sec loops it would take >over ninty days to come back to the "start". > >Now there's a project I should have started ninty days before >the millennium. you can still do it. just calculate the correct delaytimes so on new years eve the two loops will start phasing again and then at mitnight not even phase any more and then phase again.... what a waist of looping equipment... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 10:49:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31043; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:49:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:49:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:37:44 -0600 Subject: Technology determines music From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RNNDG3.0.Yz6.UQ0Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All music adapts to the technology used to produce it. If the technology has been around long enough, people may not even perceive these "limitations"--the piano, for example, doesn't let you bend notes or add vibrato. No one goes to a pianist and asks them to do this, nor or is usually viewed as a "limitation", it's "just how pianos work". TH > From: "Javier Miranda V." > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:41:22 -0800 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:43:12 -0500 > > I think this is where the dangers begin. Weren't all the toys meant to > "enhance" our music, not the other way around? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 10:59:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01081; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:59:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:59:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: DL-4 available NOW! Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:51:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991124094648.007aa100@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"PhHm01.0.Gp7.jc0Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can you, Scott, or anyone else illuminate the difference between a DL-4 and a Lexicon MPX100 (which is also around $235)? Does the DL-4 do beautiful reverbs? | -----Original Message----- | From: Scott A. Martin [mailto:scott@morriganrecords.com] | Sent: Wednesday 24 November 1999 9:47 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: DL-4 available NOW! | | | Looperfolks- | | I had the privilege yesterday of playing with one of the new | Line 6 DL-4s... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 11:01:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01961; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:01:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:01:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:51:30 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991124070814.007ae530@pop.ici.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"BBHC-2.0.mo7.gc0Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, yeah, yeah, you remind me of Eno's argument about creation, how it is possible to set the parameters and let the creation "create" itself, and this would be somebody's music as well. Like the Space Drums, I hate to listen to the radio and listen to the same grooves and breaks over and over again. There is no merit in doing that. I still think there is a line beyond which music becomes tainted, and I agree with you that this is a cultural line, and changes with the people and with the times. But I am all for progress, so let it all rip. | -----Original Message----- | From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] | Sent: Wednesday 24 November 1999 4:08 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: RE: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician | | | Now there's a great big can o' worms... I guess it all depends | on what you | mean by "our music", at what stage in the process you're | talking about. The | logical conclusion of your question would be that we have no need of new | instruments, new technology or even new tunes because "our | music" already | exists as a static entity in a finished, perfect form. I know | that's taking... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 11:11:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03891; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:11:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:11:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301bf3695$51810460$67c73dca@alfalfa> From: "[o]" To: Subject: loop recorder Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:02:31 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"Yx9Vp.0.qR.ek0Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [hello] this might be fun, perhaps useless www.config.de/LoopRecorder anybody? [o] From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 11:32:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09005; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:32:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:32:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:24:29 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unpopular or Misunderstood Devices Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"hScuJ1.0.lj1.j51Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Someone mentioned that the JamMan was laughed at in Lexicon product meetings. I can only imagine the Vortex suffered a similar fate. Too bad. Still, the Vortex is such a deep device that it would take you a while to really understand what it's all about. The ads I saw were a poor substitute for actual experience with the unit. If it had been marketed properly, it would have been one of the biggest devices in the music world. As it is, it was and still is ahead of its time. What amazes me is that these products were ever marketed at all in the first place. The Vortex story would be a very interesting one for the books, I'd imagine. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 11:42:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11490; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:42:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:42:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.5750e61c.256d6d43@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:33:07 EST Subject: Re: Digital Performer POLAR To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"yi2al.0.ZG2.1E1Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anybody have any experience with MOTU Digital Performer 2.6 POLAR feature (Performance Oriented Loop Audio Recording)? Also I am trying to make a decision about which hardware interface to purchase. I am running a Mac B/W 450 with 512 Ram and Digital Performer 2.6. I have not bought the hardware interface....I have considered the Motu 1224......but am looking at others.....I am interested in the new Digidesign Digi 001. any experience or suggestions out there. thanks MD From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 11:44:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11680; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:44:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:44:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001001bf3699$83852320$2acf08cf@donaldpancoe> From: "Don \"Mango\" Pancoe" To: Subject: PMC10 Programmer Schematic Questions Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:31:20 -0500 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF366F.6E42BB00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"jIcHN2.0.iV2.TH1Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF366F.6E42BB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To my fellow PMC10 users: I've recently received PMC10 schematics from Digitech, and I doesn't = seem like it would be too hard to build a remote programmer, but I have = the following questions which the schematics don't quite answer. = Hopefully, some of you have already been down the "trial and error" path = and can answer them for me. If not, I will definitely breadboard the = circuit first. 1. How do the schematic's switch numbers (SW1A, SW2A, etc.) correspond = to the buttons on the face of the programmer (SET/+, MENU/NEXT, etc.)? 2. How do the pins of H1/PA5 (H1A, H1B, etc.) correspond to the pins of = the mini-DIN plug? Or for that matter, how are the pins of the mini-DIN = plug numbered? The diagram of the mini-DIN plug given in the schematic = doesn't look exactly like the real thing. 3. Any ideas on construction, hardware, packaging, etc.? I'm already = formulating some ideas of my own, but I'd be interested in a discussion. Feel free to e-mail privately if you like, and thank you all very much = for any input. -- Mango -- ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF366F.6E42BB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
To my fellow PMC10 users:
 
I've recently received PMC10 schematics = from=20 Digitech, and I doesn't seem like it would be too hard to build a remote = programmer, but I have the following questions which the schematics = don't quite=20 answer. Hopefully, some of you have already been down the "trial and = error" path=20 and can answer them for me. If not, I will definitely breadboard the = circuit=20 first.
 
1. How do the schematic's switch = numbers (SW1A,=20 SW2A, etc.) correspond to the buttons on the face of the programmer = (SET/+,=20 MENU/NEXT, etc.)?
 
2. How do the pins of H1/PA5 (H1A, H1B, = etc.)=20 correspond to the pins of the mini-DIN plug? Or for that matter, how are = the=20 pins of the mini-DIN plug numbered? The diagram of the mini-DIN = plug given=20 in the schematic doesn't look exactly like the real thing.
 
3. Any ideas on construction, hardware, = packaging,=20 etc.? I'm already formulating some ideas of my own, but I'd be = interested in a=20 discussion.
 
Feel free to e-mail privately if you = like, and=20 thank you all very much for any input.
 
-- Mango --
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF366F.6E42BB00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 11:54:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14273; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:54:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:54:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991124114618.010fb530@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: km15@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) -- [Cornell Modified] Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:46:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: kevin miller Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician In-Reply-To: References: <0.31fbab9d.256c4f2b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YhGii3.0.tw2.0Q1Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Being uncommon for the sake of being uncommon is all too boring > >Being boring for the sake of being common is also very common. > >Being common for the sake of being uncommon is uncommon. Excellent, Matthias! This is not only true and amusing, but a beautiful written demonstration of loop morphology. Kev From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 11:57:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14809; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:57:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:57:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:50:47 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, matthias@grob.org Subject: Re: > loopist > musician > looper sync Resent-Message-ID: <"FLA5y1.0.mE3.iU1Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Miko wrote... >>Now with the EDP and it's quantize functions, I've heard that using a short segment and using insert or multiply to increase the length actually will keep it more accurately synched to a clock... midi I presume. > Matthias answers... > it works with MIDI, but better with BrotherSync. No clicks. And with the moment you start recording, you can choose whether you will be synced or not (to do the free stuff). > The advantages of multiplied short loops as base are: > - the player that comes in later can start with a short loop > - the multiples can be different for each player. Very interesting: the rhythm goes on perfectly, but at each repetition, longer phrases on top of it shift from each other. > - the second player can come in sooner. Good points... I'll certainly use them for my looping strategies! Thanks... > Using BrotherSync in the version I am working on, the second player can start his recording while the first is still recording. And it works free like multiply with rounding and green counter! No quantizing is necessary! You may choose it though, especially when playing straight drum machine or sequencer stuff. I dont like it ;-) So is this the same s/w update that Kim also speaks of with double speed/half speed options? And what is "green counter"? And do you have any feel for when Gibson and Trace Elliott might make new EDP's available? I'm still really steamed that I'm not able to play in stereo yet... Best regards, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 12:03:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16870; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:03:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:03:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:55:25 -0600 Subject: FS: JamMan memory chips (harmony central) From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9SCxE.0.JY3.UY1Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FS: JAMMAN Upgrades Asking Price: US$50 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Lexicon Jamman upgrades. Reccomended Lexicon memory. New Each are $50 That is the 32 second upgrades from the 8 seconds. E mail me if interested. thanks Seller: j c, E-mail: sashjo@ulster.net (Profile) Post Date: 11/23/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 12:05:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17221; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:05:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:05:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911241659.IAA24381@emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:56:43 -0800 Subject: any drummers utilizing loopers? From: "Craig Zarkos" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WCl_w1.0.Wq3.lb1Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just wondering if anyone has any experience looping live drums/percussion and if so could point me to the best box for that purpose. Looks as though either the Boomerang or the Echoplex? also any cd's worth checking out done utilizing the looper type thing that are must haves...Thanks alot,and thanks for the great info i've gathered while lurking on this list....Any of you folks on the list reside in the San Diego CA. area? love to talk maybe make some music. Craig Zarkos drums/perc/programming From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 12:24:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21897; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:24:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:24:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991124171021.29215.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.237] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looking for a boomerang Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:10:20 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"VRMpq.0.jY4.sm1Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Call Rick Lane at 1 800 4337668 Ex. 27 he's helped several people on the list with good prices. Tell him Papa Dave sent you... >From: "Craig Zarkos" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: looking for a boomerang >Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:33:23 -0800 > >If any one has one for sale or knows where i can find one I'd really >appreciate the help.I've called numerous stores to no avail and haven't had >got a machine or a human at the numbers listed on the Boomerang web site. >thanks, Craig > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 12:34:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25440; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:34:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:34:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002e01bf369f$b4d437d0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Digital Performer POLAR Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:16:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"8Qyus1.0.qz4.Ut1Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Does anybody have any experience with MOTU Digital Performer 2.6 POLAR >feature (Performance Oriented Loop Audio Recording)? A friend of mine has this. We played around with it one afternoon. Cool tool but not of interest to me because it doesn't have a tap-tempo feature which I consider essential for live performance. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Madoud@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Digital Performer POLAR >Does anybody have any experience with MOTU Digital Performer 2.6 POLAR >feature (Performance Oriented Loop Audio Recording)? Also I am trying to >make a decision about which hardware interface to purchase. I am running a >Mac B/W 450 with 512 Ram and Digital Performer 2.6. I have not bought the >hardware interface....I have considered the Motu 1224......but am looking at >others.....I am interested in the new Digidesign Digi 001. >any experience or suggestions out there. thanks MD > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 12:48:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28770; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:48:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:48:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003901bf36a0$277d17c0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: any drummers utilizing loopers? Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:20:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"xuDP11.0.pE5.Uw1Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Just wondering if anyone has any experience looping live drums/percussion >and if so could point me to the best box for that purpose. Personally, I use two EDPs because I really, really like them. I loop percussion though I've never looped my drumset. My advice is to watch out for the acoustic bleed-though from monitors to looping mics. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 12:59:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31464; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:59:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:59:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b701bf36a4$5e4e7600$30c356d1@cliff> From: "Bien Appraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Effect as crutch Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:50:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B2_01BF3661.4F61CB80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"zy-B41.0.d27.XK2Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01BF3661.4F61CB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remember getting my Vortex- bringing it home and noodling away on = guitar for hours while experimenting with all the sounds- at the end it = was very unsatisfying musically- the "all dressed up for space travel = but nowhere to go" syndrome- I found myself enamored with the box but = doing nothing musically- Well, a few weeks later I had a coffee house = show and brought the Vortex along- there was 1 patch I wanted to use on = a song which had a very crazy effect- so at the start of a slow song I = used the effect just before the first verse and faded it out and it was = great! The rest of the song was clean and the effect was in balance with = the piece- I found that the way for me to use effects was only in = addition to an already good piece of music- the effect in and of itself = is really quite empty creatively speaking- its like that purple flanger = or phaser pedal most people have at some point in their career but never = use it- too much is overkill- but put in just the right places it can be = great- I just found it so great to finally use this crazy Vortex in a = way that added to and complimented my music- trying to build music on an = effect can be done I suppose, I just wouldn't advise it! To end, we had a long related dicussion on the John McLaughlin = mailing list earlier this year- it seems best to go to an effect when = you find yourself wanting it first (generally) so the effect is used out = of inspiration, not desparation-=20 This happened a lot in the 60's and 70's- people had concepts for = sounds (Miles a great deal I hear) and went looking for them even to the = point of having them made from scratch- inspiration- now we find = ourselves in a time where anyone from anywhere can go and buy just about = every last effect on the planet for chump change- (basically!) so = instead of a ring modulator being a rare item as it used to be, now you = can have one and 100 other effects for a few hundred dollars- not a bad = thing but of course there will be those who just may be using the effect = as a "crutch" every so often-=20 =20 Clifford ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01BF3661.4F61CB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
     I remember = getting my=20 Vortex- bringing it home and noodling away on guitar for hours while=20 experimenting with all the sounds- at the end it was very unsatisfying=20 musically- the "all dressed up for space travel but nowhere to = go"=20 syndrome-  I found myself enamored with the box but doing nothing=20 musically- Well, a few weeks later I had a coffee house show and brought = the=20 Vortex along- there was 1 patch I wanted to use on a song which had a = very crazy=20 effect- so at the start of a slow song I used the effect just before the = first=20 verse and faded it out and it was great! The rest of the song was clean = and the=20 effect was in balance with the piece-  I found that the way for me = to use=20 effects was only in addition to an already good piece of music- the = effect in=20 and of itself is really quite empty creatively speaking- its like that = purple=20 flanger or phaser pedal most people have at some point in their career = but never=20 use it- too much is overkill- but put in just the right places it can be = great-=20 I just found it so great to finally use this crazy Vortex in a way that = added to=20 and complimented my music- trying to build music on an effect can be = done I=20 suppose, I just wouldn't advise it!
     To end, we = had a long=20 related dicussion on the John McLaughlin mailing list earlier this year- = it=20 seems best to go to an effect when you find yourself wanting it first=20 (generally) so the effect is used out of inspiration, not desparation-=20
     This = happened a lot in=20 the 60's and 70's- people had concepts for sounds (Miles a great deal I = hear)=20 and went looking for them even to the point of having them made from = scratch-=20 inspiration- now we find ourselves in a time where anyone from anywhere = can go=20 and buy just about every last effect on the planet for chump change-=20 (basically!) so instead of a ring modulator being a rare item as it used = to be,=20 now you can have one and 100 other effects for a few hundred dollars- = not a bad=20 thing but of course there will be those who just may be using the effect = as a=20 "crutch" every so often-
 
Clifford
------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01BF3661.4F61CB80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 12:53:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29963; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:53:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:53:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:06:06 -0600 Subject: Re: Unpopular or Misunderstood Devices From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X8kop1.0.gF4.Vi1Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, there was that steep price ($399? $479? I forget) that it listed for... Many people got into the Vortex when Guitar Center blew them out for $125 (myself included). As I recall the lack of MIDI really turned off a lot of people. I certainly wasn't go to buy one at the regular price with no MIDI control. And when the Korg DL8000 came out a few years later, with MIDI control, most people decided they wouldn't buy a Vortex with MIDI programmability either... Plus, kids would plug in, noodle a bit in mono (and without the morph pedal) through the incomprehensible patch names (although I can't suggest anything better) and conclude "Yeah---phase/chorus plus delay. So what? Whoa! Reissue Big Muffs!! Gotta go!!" TH > From: Todd Madson > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:24:29 -0600 (CST) > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Unpopular or Misunderstood Devices > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:28:13 -0500 > > If it had been marketed properly, it would have been one of the biggest > devices in the music world. As it is, it was and still is ahead of its > time. > > What amazes me is that these products were ever marketed at all in the > first place. The Vortex story would be a very interesting one for the > books, I'd imagine. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 13:03:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32436; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:03:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:03:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002e01bf36a1$ecfd6fd0$6e4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Technology determines music Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:32:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y3EmP.0.-56.832Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >All music adapts to the technology used to produce it. > Absolutely, Travis. The history of music (and Art, generally) is the history of technology, its progress and its influence. - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 13:04:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32587; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:04:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:04:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991124172009.53509.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.237] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:20:09 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"vNmkf2.0.LD5.7w1Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Boredom is self inflicted. Om and Out "The univerce is full of magical mysteries waiting for our wits to grow sharper" >From: Matthias Grob >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician >Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:44:17 -0200 > > > >Being boring for the sake of being boring is all too common, even on the > >dance floor. > >Being uncommon for the sake of being uncommon is all too boring > >Being boring for the sake of being common is also very common. > >Being common for the sake of being uncommon is uncommon. > >... > > >I just wish there were more ways to isolate and slap a loop around >without > >adding to the loop per se but still having the option of putting > >layers/tracks in the loop if so desired. But I'd like to do it with one > >unit instead of 2 or more. > > > >whether its 2 secs or 4 minutes of loop time it would be neat to have > >morpheus like z-plane set of f/x/filters and controls to twist individual > >layers/traks...& I guess I'm dreaming of perhaps a more intelligent and > >souped - hybrid vortex - EDP w/a long loop time thingey of sorts but i > >would also like the ability to be able to save and recall 2 or more > >trackscertain # of tracks and get midi features too. > > > >aNY IDEAS ON HOW OR WHERE U CAN FIND ONE OF DESE BAD BOYS ? ooos cap lock > >got stuck > >:-) I also have some such dreams... but there is a lot we can do with what >exists. > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 12:59:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31463; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:59:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:59:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:42:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19991124172009.53509.qmail@hotmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"ioTQN3.0.ES6.tA2Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not necessarily. It is psychological though. -----Original Message----- From: David Potter [mailto:papadave55@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:20 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician Boredom is self inflicted. Om and Out "The univerce is full of magical mysteries waiting for our wits to grow sharper" >From: Matthias Grob >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician >Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:44:17 -0200 > > > >Being boring for the sake of being boring is all too common, even on the > >dance floor. > >Being uncommon for the sake of being uncommon is all too boring > >Being boring for the sake of being common is also very common. > >Being common for the sake of being uncommon is uncommon. > >... > > >I just wish there were more ways to isolate and slap a loop around >without > >adding to the loop per se but still having the option of putting > >layers/tracks in the loop if so desired. But I'd like to do it with one > >unit instead of 2 or more. > > > >whether its 2 secs or 4 minutes of loop time it would be neat to have > >morpheus like z-plane set of f/x/filters and controls to twist individual > >layers/traks...& I guess I'm dreaming of perhaps a more intelligent and > >souped - hybrid vortex - EDP w/a long loop time thingey of sorts but i > >would also like the ability to be able to save and recall 2 or more > >trackscertain # of tracks and get midi features too. > > > >aNY IDEAS ON HOW OR WHERE U CAN FIND ONE OF DESE BAD BOYS ? ooos cap lock > >got stuck > >:-) I also have some such dreams... but there is a lot we can do with what >exists. > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 15:19:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29698; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:19:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:19:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jpw77@together.net Message-ID: <383BFD1B.508E@together.net> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:58:35 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 16 second delay problem X-URL: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DMcLt.0.Gr5.c84Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm looking for help with my EH 16 second delay. The unit hums/buzzes loudly when powered up. All the functions of the unit seem to work (the hum gets effected) but it's unusable. I'm guessing it's something to do with the power supply, but that's just a guess. Any ideas on this or reccomendations for people who service these still? Oh how I miss it... Jon Williams From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 16:13:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08826; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:13:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:13:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911242019.PAA29730@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:12:37 +0530 Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5QE1m.0.tG7.DX4Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > if you had two nominal 8 second loops running 2ms out of sync. > it would take almost nine hours for the phase to get back > to the original pattern. > > hmmmmmmm, minimalist flanging. That could be interesting. > > If you ran two EDPs with 198 and 197.99 sec loops it would take > over ninty days to come back to the "start". > > Now there's a project I should have started ninty days before > the millennium. Soundz lyke funn. But Jim, if u refer to the so called "new millenium", u have over 365 dayz. The 21st century begins January 1st 2001. Though all dates r completely arbitrary. - d. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 16:06:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07652; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:06:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:06:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991124204936.15505.rocketmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:49:36 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"CQZL.0.p-.zz4Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hum/Buzzes are most likely due to a faulty filter capacitor in the power supply. Caps can fail as they age. This noise can be viewed/measured (at the filter cap) with an oscilloscope by any competent electonics tech. bret --- jpw77@together.net wrote: > I'm looking for help with my EH 16 second delay. The > unit hums/buzzes loudly > when powered up. All the functions of the unit seem > to work (the hum gets > effected) but it's unusable. I'm guessing it's > something to do with the power > supply, but that's just a guess. Any ideas on this > or reccomendations for > people who service these still? Oh how I miss it... > > Jon Williams > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 17:45:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27693; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:45:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:45:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991124223629.93699.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.72] From: "G716" To: References: <199911242019.PAA29730@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: OT: begin of millenium. Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:36:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Resent-Message-ID: <"8TqK7.0.ZJ6.cY6Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The 21st century begins January 1st 2001. I've always like this philosophy. Too bad I didn't know about it until this year, otherwise I would've enjoyed being in my 20's while I was still 30! It's 31, 41, 51, etc. that we all get to dread from this point forward. I love it! Greg (yeah, yeah, I've heard all the arguments about starting at "1". It's just so boring and mundane. Who'll celebrate 2001 with as much excitement as 2000? Just the Kubrick fans I suppose. And no one wants to hear a song line like "Two throusand zero one party over oops out-a time. Gonna party like it's 2000.... ". It's the chronological equivalent to calling some guitar bridges "tremelos".) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 18:26:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03614; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:26:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:26:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:21:21 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, g716@hotmail.com Subject: Re: OT: begin of millenium. Resent-Message-ID: <"sZEk-.0.0d.wC7Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alright! Enough with this Millennium crap... Let's get back to business and finally sort out the midi pgm 0-126 or 1-127 argument! I'm all for 1-127 because 0 signifies nothing and we all know we store our best user patch there. It just goes against the grain philosophically and functionally. It's egregious and offensive... Can't we all get along???? *-b Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." >>> "G716" 11/24 2:41 PM >>> > The 21st century begins January 1st 2001. I've always like this philosophy. Too bad I didn't know about it until this year, otherwise I would've enjoyed being in my 20's while I was still 30! It's 31, 41, 51, etc. that we all get to dread from this point forward. I love it! Greg (yeah, yeah, I've heard all the arguments about starting at "1". It's just so boring and mundane. Who'll celebrate 2001 with as much excitement as 2000? Just the Kubrick fans I suppose. And no one wants to hear a song line like "Two throusand zero one party over oops out-a time. Gonna party like it's 2000.... ". It's the chronological equivalent to calling some guitar bridges "tremelos".) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 18:35:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05046; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:35:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:35:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: jimarnt@mail.interlog.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:21:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: jimarnt@interlog.com (Jim Arnott) Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem Resent-Message-ID: <"N1HNS1.0.bN.F97Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've owned one since they first came out. I've never had the problem you describe, but mine did screw up, and as a result, it sat in a box unused for 5 or six years. Finally I read that Bob Sellon who then worked at Lexicon would repair them. I sent it to him and he repaired it. This was 4 or 5 years ago. Unfortunately, the last time I checked Bob's web page he had a notice there saying he wouldn't repair them anymore (he wasn't too crazy about fixing mine even when he was doing this work). What might be of some use to you are scans of hand drawn schematics that Bob made which he had posted on his page. When I looked at them they seemed pretty hard to read, but maybe someone who knows what they are looking at could figure them out? Sorry but I don't have the URL for his page handy. Another thought: Now that EH seems to be a revitalized, active company again, I wonder if it would be possible to send it to them? I can't believe they re-released the Frequency Analyser before the 16 sec. delay! It's cool too, but the demand for the 16 sec. delay has got to be greater. No? -j >Hum/Buzzes are most likely due to a faulty filter >capacitor in the power supply. Caps can fail as they >age. This noise can be viewed/measured (at the filter >cap) with an oscilloscope by any competent electonics >tech. >bret >--- jpw77@together.net wrote: >> I'm looking for help with my EH 16 second delay. The >> unit hums/buzzes loudly >> when powered up. All the functions of the unit seem >> to work (the hum gets >> effected) but it's unusable. I'm guessing it's >> something to do with the power >> supply, but that's just a guess. Any ideas on this >> or reccomendations for >> people who service these still? Oh how I miss it... >> >> Jon Williams >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 19:10:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12571; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:10:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:10:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE4C@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: OT: begin of millenium. Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:50:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"UVo-z2.0.M92.de7Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alright! Enough with this Millennium crap... Let's get back to business and finally sort out the midi pgm 0-126 or 1-127 argument! I'm all for 1-127 because 0 signifies nothing ** ya know i read a book on sacred geometry not so long ago that said that the beginning of many of mankind's problems had to do with the fact the zero was adopted in western mathematics; that zero basically refuted the existence of god and was therefore the beginning of the end - - so to speak. (or something along these lines . . .) then i guess we could talk about clocks with faces versus digital clocks with readouts (i favor wind-up pocket watches myself) and the idea of the metric system versus the good old english system of things being based on the number 12, etc. ya know some say that world war two was ushered in by concert "a" being brought up a cent . . . stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 19:16:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13882; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:16:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:16:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:04:01 -0600 Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O5nkl.0.cl2.Eq7Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The EH-16 was pricey when it was new ($799 is what I recall, back in the early '80's). All the EH reissues have been pricey, so there's no reason to believe that the 16sec delay wouldn't also be pricey. And I'd say that the demand for the EH-16 is very slim ("What, no MIDI? No stereo? No tap-tempo?!"), compared to wacko pedals for vintage-obsessed guitarists. TH > From: jimarnt@interlog.com (Jim Arnott) > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:21:37 -0400 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:20:06 -0500 > > Another thought: Now that EH seems to be a revitalized, active company > again, I wonder if it would be possible to send it to them? > > I can't believe they re-released the Frequency Analyser before the 16 sec. > delay! It's cool too, but the demand for the 16 sec. delay has got to be > greater. No? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 19:12:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13278; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:12:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:12:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003601bf36d7$041de5c0$9bc0aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <00b701bf36a4$5e4e7600$30c356d1@cliff> Subject: Re: Effect as crutch Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:52:43 -0800 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01BF3693.F1DABD40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"FS8Yx3.0.uC2.Qg7Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01BF3693.F1DABD40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clifford makes a very valid point. Its easy to take for granted the = sound options we have today. I still marvel at Hendrix's recordings. The = effects may sound dated today but when I consider the state of the art = circa 1966 to 1970, I get blown away by the tones he gets almost as much = as his playing. Even more impressive in my opinion is the fact I've yet = to hear anyone come close to sounding like Jimi even thought the effects = he used are now very common and affordable. Though it is a cliche, I find validity in the analogy that sonic effects = are the equivalent to musicians what extra colors are to a painter. = Today, we have colors galore. Placed in certain peoples hands, they can = become nothing more than a smeared mess. Placed in the hands of someone = with imagination, patience, and vision, you can get a masterpiece. Bottom line: Its the imagination behind the tools that determines the = quality. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bien Appraisers=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:50 AM Subject: Effect as crutch This happened a lot in the 60's and 70's- people had concepts for = sounds (Miles a great deal I hear) and went looking for them even to the = point of having them made from scratch- inspiration- now we find = ourselves in a time where anyone from anywhere can go and buy just about = every last effect on the planet for chump change- (basically!) so = instead of a ring modulator being a rare item as it used to be, now you = can have one and 100 other effects for a few hundred dollars- not a bad = thing but of course there will be those who just may be using the effect = as a "crutch" every so often-=20 =20 Clifford ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01BF3693.F1DABD40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Clifford makes a very valid point. Its easy to take = for=20 granted the sound options we have today. I still marvel at Hendrix's = recordings.=20 The effects may sound dated today but when I consider the state of the = art circa=20 1966 to 1970, I get blown away by the tones he gets almost as much as = his=20 playing. Even more impressive in my opinion is the fact I've yet to = hear=20 anyone come close to sounding like Jimi even thought the effects he used = are now=20 very common and affordable.
 
Though it is a cliche, I find validity in the = analogy that=20 sonic effects are the equivalent to musicians what extra colors are to a = painter. Today, we have colors galore. Placed in certain peoples hands, = they can=20 become nothing more than a smeared mess. Placed in the hands of someone = with=20 imagination, patience, and vision, you can get a = masterpiece.
 
Bottom line: Its the imagination behind the tools = that=20 determines the quality.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bien Appraisers
To: Loopers Delight
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, = 1999 9:50=20 AM
Subject: Effect as crutch

 
     This = happened a lot=20 in the 60's and 70's- people had concepts for sounds (Miles a great = deal I=20 hear) and went looking for them even to the point of having them made = from=20 scratch- inspiration- now we find ourselves in a time where anyone = from=20 anywhere can go and buy just about every last effect on the planet for = chump=20 change- (basically!) so instead of a ring modulator being a rare item = as it=20 used to be, now you can have one and 100 other effects for a few = hundred=20 dollars- not a bad thing but of course there will be those who just = may be=20 using the effect as a "crutch" every so often-
 
Clifford
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01BF3693.F1DABD40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 19:27:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17136; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:27:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:27:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <025901bf36da$45c56cc0$7e98adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:16:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"nPkF42.0.IM3.H-7Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com never dealt with him because I've never been fortunate nuf' to have a 16 sec . . . but this guy seems highly-regarded and does some interesting mods as well . . . LET US KNOW how this works out http://www.ronsound.8m.com/ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Jim Arnott To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 6:02 PM Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem >>> I'm looking for help with my EH 16 second delay. The >>> unit hums/buzzes loudly >>> when powered up. All the functions of the unit seem >>> to work (the hum gets >>> effected) but it's unusable. I'm guessing it's >>> something to do with the power >>> supply, but that's just a guess. Any ideas on this >>> or reccomendations for >>> people who service these still? Oh how I miss it... >>> >>> Jon Williams >>> >>> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >>Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 19:38:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20325; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:38:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:38:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:25:14 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, alan_i@sprynet.com Subject: Re: Effect as crutch Resent-Message-ID: <"CsSBr.0.A64.E98Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> "Alan Imberg" 11/24 4:10 PM >>> > Clifford makes a very valid point. Its easy to take for granted the sound options we have today. I still marvel at Hendrix's recordings. The effects may sound dated today but when I consider the state of the art circa 1966 to 1970, I get blown away by the tones he gets almost as much as his playing. Even more impressive in my opinion is the fact I've yet to hear anyone come close to sounding like Jimi even thought the effects he used are now very common and affordable. I think the first obstacle with sounding like Jimi is the fact that he staked out such a personal yet ubiquitous style that it became impossible to even go in that door and not lose your own identity in a way. It's hard to do blues based rock or psychedlia and not get tagged... Although I've been trying hard all these years to sneak back into that realm while trying to define my own sonics and vocabulary. That said, I still feel free to ramble wherever I damn well please! 8-> Creativity and honesty demands that... > Though it is a cliche, I find validity in the analogy that sonic effects are the equivalent to musicians what extra colors are to a painter. Today, we have colors galore. Placed in certain peoples hands, they can become nothing more than a smeared mess. Placed in the hands of someone with imagination, patience, and vision, you can get a masterpiece. Bottom line: Its the imagination behind the tools that determines the quality. Time to go home and get patient and let something inspiring flow from my instrument... Have a great break gang! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 19:49:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22928; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:49:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:49:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002a01bf36dd$2f23a240$9fdb56d1@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EH 16 Bob s page Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:36:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01BF369A.1D7789A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Cub473.0.Cs4.mH8Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BF369A.1D7789A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is Bob Sellons page for the EH 16-=20 http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/EH16Secpage.htm I had never seen one before looking on the loopers site- it looks really = fun- but sounds pricey! I would love to see reverse in EDP easier to = access, and to be able to slow the loop down?? Pure luxury- ;) Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BF369A.1D7789A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is Bob Sellons page for the EH = 16-=20
http://peop= le.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/EH16Secpage.htm
I had never seen one before looking = on the=20 loopers site- it looks really fun- but sounds pricey! I would love to = see=20 reverse in EDP easier to access,  and to be able to slow the loop = down??=20 Pure luxury- ;)
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BF369A.1D7789A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 20:03:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27340; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:03:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:03:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: OT: begin of millennium. Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:54:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"lpZLz2.0.lt5.1Y8Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> Let's get back to business and finally sort out >> the midi pgm 0-126 or 1-127 argument! I'm all for >> 1-127 because 0 signifies nothing and we all know we store >> our best user patch there. It just goes against the grain >> philosophically and functionally. It's egregious and >> offensive... Can't we all get along???? Hmmm, when I pump gas, the gauge starts on 0. If it didn't, I would be paying $1 too much for my gas all the time. It also took you a whole year to turn 1 year old as a baby, so you were 0 years olds when you were born. I wouldn't say that I was "nothing" when I was born. The "real" millennium starts when we want it to. There is no scientific methodology for justifying that the millennium starts on January 1, 2001. It's just that we have a terrible system to keep track of time (like leap years, leap days, and leap hours). Since there was no year 0000, most people say that we must start on empirical years like 2001. It's just loosely based nomenclature. Just my .02 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 20:29:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00780; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:29:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:29:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003e01bf36e2$ee29f860$9fdb56d1@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Utilize the Loopers Site! Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:18:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01BF369F.DD814600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"_LeXO1.0.dP7.Iu8Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BF369F.DD814600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was noticing how often I find information or links to information = through the Loopers site- take a look there from time to time yall! I = know Kim is open to additions/submissions too-=20 (Kim, when do I get my money?) Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BF369F.DD814600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was noticing how often I find = information or=20 links to information through the Loopers site- take a look there from = time to=20 time yall! I know Kim is open to additions/submissions too- =
 
(Kim, when do I get my = money?)
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BF369F.DD814600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 21:06:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08111; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:06:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:06:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383C9050.3447@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:26:40 -0500 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Lambrecht CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem References: <025901bf36da$45c56cc0$7e98adce@satellite> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ihQqf1.0.rv7.N19Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > never dealt with him because I've never been fortunate nuf' to have a 16 sec > . . . > but this guy seems highly-regarded and does some interesting mods as well . > http://www.ronsound.8m.com/ This is Ron Neeley (aka "The EH Man"). He brought my old Ibanez analog delay back from the dead when two other techs failed and he did it in one afternoon for his flat fee of $35. I highly reccomend him. If anyone can fix a 16 second delay, it's him and it might even be affordable as a bonus! :) ___________________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 21:48:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16672; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:48:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:48:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301bf36ea$a1a73400$64cf08cf@donaldpancoe> From: "Don \"Mango\" Pancoe" To: References: <199911242019.PAA29730@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <19991124223629.93699.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Way OT, Re: begin of millenium. Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:12:14 -0500 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"kk5QR1.0.qT2.sn9Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I've always liked this philosophy. Too bad I didn't know about it until this > year, otherwise I would've enjoyed being in my 20's while I was still 30! > It's 31, 41, 51, etc. that we all get to dread from this point forward. Nope, that doesn't work. The reason the millenium doesn't technically begin until 2001 is that, back when Ceasar Augustus began the current calendar, they were using Roman numerals (of course,) and there was no symbol for, nor even a concept of "zero." Therefore, they were calling the first year "Year 1" even though a full year had not yet passed in the new calendar. That is why we will not complete 2000 years until the end of 2001 (2000 years' worth of accounting errors notwithstanding; by some accounts we are actually in the year 2016.) In your case, however, you were most likely not delared "1 year old" until you had been alive for one full year. Therefore, at age 30, you have in fact completed 30 years of your life. Sorry to be the spoiler, ;-) -- Mango -- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 21:50:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16843; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:50:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:50:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005201bf36ec$d12f8f40$955bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <3834D4C7.91B13972@latrobe.edu.au> Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician and swingysex . Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:36:21 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"kPfap2.0.zm2.0t9Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Groove it's a state of mind and spirit too !!! Thank's for your inner views. Good moods and health. julio ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthias Grob To: Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 4:47 AM Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician and swingysex . > > >> In parallel I learned to make love nicely and yell less at people ;-) > > Julio Moreno: > >Yes...making love with ''swingest'' people , you learn the waist and hip > >movements ,wich are essencial to play with swing and groove...This is the > >diference between Chick Corea Electric Band and Santana Band : ) .The > >first one it's ''thight'' , the second one ''swings''. > > I did not so much refer to physical movements than to sensibility and less > agony, but you are right anyway. > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 21:53:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17705; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:53:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:53:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jpw77@together.net Message-ID: <383C5999.736A@together.net> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:33:13 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EH 16 Bob s page References: <002a01bf36dd$2f23a240$9fdb56d1@cliff> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"d70ML3.0.xz2.uv9Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks to all for your help with this. Yes, the ability to sweep the loop time/pitch continuously from shortest to longest is one of my favorite things about the 16 sec. And as nice as hi-fi loops are, I've always been in love with the grain and grit of it at longer times. Hopefully mine will live again. Jon Williams From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 22:27:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24663; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:27:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:27:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383C91B9.24C1@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:32:41 -0500 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-6fvM2.0.8I.079Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > All the EH reissues have been pricey, so there's no reason to believe that the 16sec delay wouldn't also be I don't know about this. the Microsynth was selling for $500-800 used right before they brought out the reissue. While it's not 100% the same it sells for $250+ new now which is very reasonable relatively speaking. the 16 second delay now goes for over $1k all the time. A $250-300 price tag would be fine by me if they do it. > And I'd say that the demand for the EH-16 is very slim ("What, no MIDI? No stereo? No > tap-tempo?!"), compared to wacko pedals for vintage-obsessed guitarists. Well i gree it's not the most in demand piece but along with those guitarist that want it (and there are quite a few) there are synth players and other musicians who all have created thje demand enough to make them sell for so much used now. Reissuing them will certainly turn a nice profit even at a couple hundred dollar street price IMO. __________________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 22:45:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28452; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:45:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:45:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383C3647.2757@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:02:31 +0000 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Andre LaFosse CD Now Available Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"91ImL3.0.kf4.bQAFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [WARNING: Self-promotional blurb follows immediately] Hello people -- Not much I can add to the subject: I have an album available. This is not an "ambient guitar loop" album... but every track contains some Oberheim Echoplex/Lexicon Vortex looping, much of which might even answer to the general term of "ambient." This is not a drum & bass album... but nearly every track is built of off jungle rhythms, and the whole project is informed by the genre's fragmented aesthetic. For those interested, here are some links to sounds which I would recommend especially for this list: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~altruist/Theory1.mp3 This is a "looping solo" -- a straight, live Echoplex bit done in one pass and then placed into the song unedited, brought to you by the functions "Multiply" and "Insert." (The sample is an MP3 download). http://www.listentothis.com/artists/andrelafosse/ramfiles/youcannotcomeback_binarymix.ram This is a non-album downloadable remix of a track from the CD. Aside from the drum programming, *everything* on this is a guitar. I'd particularly point LD readers towards the first EDP loop at the beginning of the tune, and the second one which comes in around 40 seconds in. (The sample is a streaming RealAudio G2 track). http://shoko.calarts.edu/~altruist/Back2.mp3 An Echoplex-derived loop over some rhythmic backing that almost falls into ambient territory...at least until the guitar solo comes in. (This is an MP3 download). For more sound samples, info, and a secure server for online ordering, you can visit my home page: http://www.altruistmusic.com We now return to your regularly scheduled mailing list. Oh, and happy Thanksgiving! --Andre LaFosse From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 24 23:29:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04931; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:29:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:29:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383CB674.4D80E5D5@home.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:09:24 -0500 From: Fabio Katz Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: One EDP for two players References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"63UPg2.0.dB.0PBFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Matthias, Thanks for all your suggestions! I'll let you know which ones work for us. Fabio From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 00:12:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13792; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:12:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:12:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991124235812.007afc50@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: coirbidh_99@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:58:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Scott A. Martin" Subject: RE: DL-4 vs. MPX100 In-Reply-To: <199911242134.QAA13520@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0KwVF.0.MJ2.y1CFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Can you, Scott, or anyone else illuminate the difference between a DL-4 and >a Lexicon MPX100 (which is also around $235)? Does the DL-4 do beautiful >reverbs? The DL-4 is designed purely as a delay effect - it contains models of several "classic" delay pedals (tube & tape echos, the Roland Space Echo, the EH Deluxe Memory Man, plus reverse, dynamic delay, and volume-swelled echo effects, among others), with a max of 2.5 seconds of delay. It is also usable as a looper (with 14 sec of recording time) with controls modeled after the Boomerang. I don't know much about the MPX100, but my impression is that it's a more general multi-effects unit (although certainly a good one, judging from its reviews) and would not necessarily be a good dedicated looper. Anyone else have any thoughts to add? Scott Martin Morrigan Records scott@morriganrecords.com http://www.morriganrecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 00:09:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13377; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:09:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:09:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383CB14E.E889F95C@erols.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:47:38 -0400 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Old school loop stuff References: <199911241605.LAA02784@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hqfzu1.0.X32.vyBFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi All, Once again I am upgrading my offices and studios at work and we are going to be tossing more stuff. Last time I offered up some Telex reel to reel transports, computers and much cassette stuff . This time it will be a couple of transports 7.5 and 15 ips, cassette duplicators, parts, preamps and cassette playback units 4 track variable speed . All free. I don't know if there are any people out there who work with actual tape loops. One of the thing I make extensive use of is what I have called a a Loop Arm or guide arm. This is a simple mechanical device that uses a telescoping piece of aluminum or wood that holds a guide bearing (usually out of the parts box ) to replace the first friend of a tape looper: the pencil. You make a loop, set the guide or guides at the appropriate height and distance. I use an arm fixed to the deck plate and for longer loops another set atop a microphone stand. I am disposing of various types of used/new 1/4 inch tape guides. Yours for the asking. I will be putting a list together over the next week of what I have to give away. Big stuff you will have to come to Philadelphia, little stuff I'll ship. Anyone who wants a list email me and I will send a list to you as soon as it is ready. Happy TG. Fiveman From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 00:20:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16874; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:20:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:20:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911250502.AAA09052@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:03:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Effect as crutch From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3026376227_22367024_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <"2GIZ_3.0.Rq2.xBCFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3026376227_22367024_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit how about efxs as an instrument? ---------- From: "Alan Imberg" To: Subject: Re: Effect as crutch Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999, 7:52 PM Clifford makes a very valid point. Its easy to take for granted the sound options we have today. I still marvel at Hendrix's recordings. The effects may sound dated today but when I consider the state of the art circa 1966 to 1970, I get blown away by the tones he gets almost as much as his playing. Even more impressive in my opinion is the fact I've yet to hear anyone come close to sounding like Jimi even thought the effects he used are now very common and affordable. Though it is a cliche, I find validity in the analogy that sonic effects are the equivalent to musicians what extra colors are to a painter. Today, we have colors galore. Placed in certain peoples hands, they can become nothing more than a smeared mess. Placed in the hands of someone with imagination, patience, and vision, you can get a masterpiece. Bottom line: Its the imagination behind the tools that determines the quality. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bien Appraisers To: Loopers Delight Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:50 AM Subject: Effect as crutch This happened a lot in the 60's and 70's- people had concepts for sounds (Miles a great deal I hear) and went looking for them even to the point of having them made from scratch- inspiration- now we find ourselves in a time where anyone from anywhere can go and buy just about every last effect on the planet for chump change- (basically!) so instead of a ring modulator being a rare item as it used to be, now you can have one and 100 other effects for a few hundred dollars- not a bad thing but of course there will be those who just may be using the effect as a "crutch" every so often- Clifford --MS_Mac_OE_3026376227_22367024_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Effect as crutch how about efxs as an instrument?
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From: "Alan Imberg" <alan_i@sprynet.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Effect as crutch
Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999, 7:52 PM


Clifford makes a very valid point. Its easy to t= ake for granted the sound options we have today. I still marvel at Hendrix's= recordings. The effects may sound dated today but when I consider the state= of the art circa 1966 to 1970, I get blown away by the tones he gets almost= as much as his playing. Even more impressive in my opinion is the fact I've= yet to hear anyone come close to sounding like Jimi even thought the effect= s he used are now very common and affordable.
 
Though it is a cliche, I find validity in the analogy that s= onic effects are the equivalent to musicians what extra colors are to a pain= ter. Today, we have colors galore. Placed in certain peoples hands, they can= become nothing more than a smeared mess. Placed in the hands of someone wit= h imagination, patience, and vision, you can get a masterpiece.
 
Bottom line: Its the imagination behind the tools that deter= mines the quality.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bien Appraisers <mailt= o:bienappraisers@mindspring.com>  
To: Loopers Delight <mailto:Loopers-Deli= ght@annihilist.com>  
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:50 AM
Subject: Effect as crutch

 
     This happened a lot in the 60'= s and 70's- people had concepts for sounds (Miles a great deal I hear) and w= ent looking for them even to the point of having them made from scratch- ins= piration- now we find ourselves in a time where anyone from anywhere can go = and buy just about every last effect on the planet for chump change- (basica= lly!) so instead of a ring modulator being a rare item as it used to be, now= you can have one and 100 other effects for a few hundred dollars- not a bad= thing but of course there will be those who just may be using the effect as= a "crutch" every so often-
 
Clifford

--MS_Mac_OE_3026376227_22367024_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 01:43:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03115; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:43:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:43:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002e01bf369f$b4d437d0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:25:22 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Digital Performer POLAR Resent-Message-ID: <"0t88j3.0.-r7.bPDFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Does anybody have any experience with MOTU Digital Performer 2.6 POLAR >>feature (Performance Oriented Loop Audio Recording)? > >A friend of mine has this. We played around with it one afternoon. Cool tool >but not of interest to me because it doesn't have a tap-tempo feature which I >consider essential for live performance. NO! not a single tiny possibility? through MIDI or so?? hard... I just looked for news on MOTU pages and could not find anything... is it a plug in or part of the main program? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 01:59:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06452; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:59:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:59:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Begining of Millennium Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:41:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <19991124223629.93699.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"RT86_1.0.vk.FfDFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think Greg is speaking from cultural conditioning. There is a great deal of tortured and misshapen arguments and notions in the US. Starting from thinking that it's cool to use gallons instead of liters, miles instead of kilometers, and that everybody in the Universe speaks English (Star Trek). Same old argument, what's real? The truth is that a millennium starts on the first year (that's why it's written with a number one), not on "year zero," as there was no "year zero." The "Seventies" are not the seventh decade-- they're the eighth decade. The Nineteenth Century ended in December 1900, and the Twentieth Century in December 2000-- see the connection (19, 1900-- 20, 2000)? To say that 2000 is not as cool as 1999 is like thinking that it's OK to have strange aliens in Star Trek talking English like they grew up in Kansas. From the outside this looks really uncool. And I'm a good outsider, I can tell you that unanimously. | -----Original Message----- | From: G716 [mailto:g716@hotmail.com] | Sent: Wednesday 24 November 1999 2:36 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: OT: begin of millenium. | | | > The 21st century begins January 1st 2001. | | I've always like this philosophy. Too bad I didn't know about | it until this | year, otherwise I would've enjoyed being in my 20's while I was | still 30! | It's 31, 41, 51, etc. that we all get to dread from this point forward. | | I love it! | Greg | | (yeah, yeah, I've heard all the arguments about starting at | "1". It's just | so boring and mundane. Who'll celebrate 2001 with as much excitement as | 2000? Just the Kubrick fans I suppose. And no one wants to hear a song | line like "Two throusand zero one party over oops out-a time. | Gonna party | like it's 2000.... ". It's the chronological equivalent to calling some | guitar bridges "tremelos".) | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 02:13:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08753; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 02:13:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 02:13:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: OT: begin of millennium. Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:48:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"IcNeL1.0.s61.7mDFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's a pile. A millennium starts on the first year of the count from one to one thousand. If it had started on "year zero," I would still disagree with you. A millennium is just a count of one thousand years. So I guess it would be OK if I borrowed $1,000 from you but gave you back only $999, right? Why, a thousand dollars is whatever I want it to be. | -----Original Message----- | From: Doug Lawrence [mailto:douglas-lawrence@home.com] | Sent: Wednesday 24 November 1999 4:54 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: RE: OT: begin of millennium. | | The "real" millennium starts when we want it to. There is no scientific | methodology for justifying that the millennium starts on | January 1, 2001. | It's just that we have a terrible system to keep track of time | (like leap | years, leap days, and leap hours). Since there was no year | 0000, most people | say that we must start on empirical years like 2001. It's just | loosely based | nomenclature. | | Just my .02 | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 02:36:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12833; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 02:36:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 02:36:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:18:30 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Utilize the Loopers Site! In-reply-to: <003e01bf36e2$ee29f860$9fdb56d1@cliff> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3HDb1.0.XV2.-BEFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:18 PM -0800 11/24/99, Clifford@BienAppraisers wrote: > I was noticing how often I find information or links to >information through the Loopers site- take a look there from time to >time yall! I know Kim is open to additions/submissions too- yes, that is correct! And I've even added oodles of stuff lately without bothering to post about it here. You all should surf around a bit if you haven't been there lately. There is some hot new gear porn, er pics, of the EH-16 and the original tube echoplex. And there's the Recommended Reading section of book reviews from the list. And some new stuff in the Looping tips pages. A headrush review or two, the manual from the old digitech timemachine. And god knows what else, I was taking a lot of pain-killers while doing the updates last week....:-) and I just got an extensive dl-4 review submitted, I guess that will be up soon as well. >(Kim, when do I get my money?) Cliff How bout if I give you a 5% cut out of my Sonic Foundry ad proceeds? For the past two months, that would be $0.44! woohoo! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 02:13:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08754; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 02:13:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 02:13:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Effect as crutch Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:41:22 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003601bf36d7$041de5c0$9bc0aec7@default> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"8d8Vb3.0.Il.HfDFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I totally agree with Alan. This is the point I was trying to make. The technology must always be a servant to music and creativity, not the other way around. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Imberg [mailto:alan_i@sprynet.com] Sent: Wednesday 24 November 1999 3:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Effect as crutch ... Though it is a cliche, I find validity in the analogy that sonic effects are the equivalent to musicians what extra colors are to a painter. Today, we have colors galore. Placed in certain peoples hands, they can become nothing more than a smeared mess. Placed in the hands of someone with imagination, patience, and vision, you can get a masterpiece. Bottom line: Its the imagination behind the tools that determines the quality. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 03:25:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21386; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 03:25:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 03:25:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:07:21 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Echoplex reverse for fun and profit, was Re: EH 16 Bob s page In-reply-to: <002a01bf36dd$2f23a240$9fdb56d1@cliff> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bhQjt1.0.uX4.gvEFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 4:36 PM -0800 11/24/99, Clifford@BienAppraisers wrote: > I would love to see reverse in EDP easier to access, ah, it is easy to access on the echoplex! The Insert button is really more of a multi-purpose button. It can be set to do other stuff besides Insert, like Reverse! You set it's function with the "InsertMode" parameter. With it set to Reverse, you have instant reverse access by tapping the Insert button! Here are some fun reverse tricks on the echoplex: - After recording a loop, reverse it and then overdub new stuff. Then you have forward and backwards stuff in the loop. - "Sustain" a section by tapping reverse repeatedly over it. So you go back and forth over some little snippet of sound. Pause a moment for the loop to move to a new section, then do it some more. Nice way to improvise with the data in the loop. - Immediately reverse a loop after recording. You can actually end the recording of a loop with another function, to start that one immediately. This is really cool with reverse. So you tap Record, play something into the loop, Tap reverse and it immediately loops backwards! This is especially cool with sustained piano or guitar chords. While in record, hold the chord as it fades out, then tap reverse to have it rise back up to it's attack. It's a cool decrescendo-crescendo effect! - Just the reverse, ma'am.... turn mix all the way to loop. put feedback all the way down. Press record and play something, end with a Reverse tap. What you played only comes out in reverse, and just plays once. A great way to do live reverse effects, with arbitrarily long reversed phrases. The audience only hears the reversed bit, which makes it a little cooler. People will say you are ripping of Jimi and you will laugh with glee. You can also do this by having a loop recorded and leaving Overdub on, with feedback all the way down. It's a little easier, cause you just tap the reverse each time you play something, one button press instead of two. The feedback will erase most of it as you go, so you don't get all kinds of random stuff, just what you played. Sometimes little bits get left in there with this method, and pop out later. That's why I like the record-reverse way better. - Quantized reversing. With quantize on, reverse only engages exactly at the end of the loop. This way you can have stuff play backwards while staying in time with other stuff going on. Reveresed and still in time and in rhythm is pretty cooll.... - That badass hip-hop reversed drum trick, except you'll do it Live! Have your sequencer play a drum loop, and send midi clock to the echoplex. (echoplex has sync=in, quantize=on). Start with the mix knob on direct. Record the drum loop into the echoplex, in sync, so both plex and sequencer are playing the same thing. Tap reverse on the plex, it will quantize, so the echoplex will have the drum loop playing backwards, but in time with the sequencer. Now! go nuts with that Mix knob! Use it like a crossfader on a dj mixer (or use the crossfade on a dj mixer if you have one), to selectively mix in backwards drum hits! It's important to listen to the rhythm, to do it in time rather than randomly. With quick flicks of the mix knob, you can easily replace a forward snare with a reveresed snare, have a few beats or measures backwards, etc. The kids will be real impressed. - Tap reverse while in the middle of overdubbing something! Yes, the echoplex doesn't care, it keeps recording your overdubs while you go backwards and forwards. crazy. - End multiplies with reverse. Yes, just like the Record-reverse trick, you can do Multiply-Reverse. That'll keep 'em guessing. You're multiplying a loop while adding a long phrase over the top, then suddenly it's all going backwards. In the current software, it unfortunately forces an unrounded multiply when you do this, which takes away the cycle counts. (which doesn't effect the stuff recorded during the multiply, just the green counter.) We figured out a way to optimize that bit of real-time code, so in the future it will keep the cycles. Still very useful, even so! - multiply a reversing loop. Just another handy idea, yep you can use the other functions while in reverse. The multiple counter even counts down! - and? who else wants to share their reversed trickery? That ought to keep you busy in between stuffing yourselves full of thanksgiving feast! (if you're out of the US, by all means join in our holiday and have a huge dinner thursday, what the hell...:-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 05:27:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08917; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 05:27:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 05:27:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bf372a$3ca89ae0$159bb8d4@oemcomputer> To: References: <199911241659.IAA24381@emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: any drummers utilizing loopers? Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:45:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) Resent-Message-ID: <"2m7uu.0.SZ.aKGFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey what´s happening! I lived in San Diego 18 years of my life and i wound up in Southern Germany, funny isn´t it? Too bad we are so far away it would be great to jam !I´m a guitarrist and use the EDP and boomerang for looping.I haven´t found many people who are into looping here! Say hello to the California sunshine God nows i could use some here! Luis ....Any of you > folks on the list reside in the San Diego CA. area? love to talk maybe make > some music. Craig Zarkos drums/perc/programming > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 05:14:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06512; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 05:14:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 05:14:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991125092737.55492.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [134.155.18.45] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Y2K (no -mechanical-looping content) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:27:37 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"hBk4x2.0.Xq7.15GFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: OT: begin of millennium. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"L-qmW.0.H94.5fHFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As a wishy-washy libran type I shall compromise and celebrate the Millennium on the 1st of July 2000. The weather should be better and I might br able to book into a hotel. Jim Carter Bristol UK Tel. (44) 117 9289934 FAX (44) 117 9293746 e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 07:26:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29480; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:26:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:26:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <0.15170bea.256e7d68@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 06:54:16 EST Subject: Re: DL-4 vs. MPX100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"hd5hb3.0.5p5.bEIFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the mpx 100 does have 1 infinite delay patch that you can use as a looper. it just has about 5 or 6 seconds of delay though. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 08:13:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05471; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:13:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:13:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991125072900.007ab330@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:29:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: OT: begin of millennium. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"caMS02.0.dQ7.JlIFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I guess this thread is peripherally on-topic, because it's time-based and cyclical, but... Original messages (paraphrased) ...five weeks until the millenium... ...no, there's a year and five weeks.... ...nuh-uh!... ...mm-hmmm!... et cetera I'll just be glad when this is over and advertisers have to find some other buzzword to sell cereal, Budweiser and M&M's... Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 09:17:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17141; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:17:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:17:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383D3DAF.F4B52B61@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:46:23 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Effect as crutch References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6-DRo2.0.qs2.ItJFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com technology must always be a servant to music and creativity, not the other way around. a nice aspiration. even on a good night though, i've had pedals kick my ass just doing what they do and at times even force me into an area i would not have been before perhaps. "Javier Miranda V." wrote: > I totally agree with Alan. This is the point I was trying to make. The > technology must always be a servant to music and creativity, not the other > way around. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Imberg [mailto:alan_i@sprynet.com] > Sent: Wednesday 24 November 1999 3:53 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Effect as crutch > > ... > Though it is a cliche, I find validity in the analogy that sonic effects are > the equivalent to musicians what extra colors are to a painter. Today, we > have colors galore. Placed in certain peoples hands, they can become nothing > more than a smeared mess. Placed in the hands of someone with imagination, > patience, and vision, you can get a masterpiece. > > Bottom line: Its the imagination behind the tools that determines the > quality. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 10:59:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03941; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:59:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:59:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991125153319.20400.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.164] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Way OT, Re: begin of millenium. Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:33:19 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"dQDay.0.fo7.wRLFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Chinese and Hindus from India are giggling at our little millenium with their calendars that go back thousands of years. I AM an eternal infinate Spirit with no calendar or millenium charting my time and space. Om and Out Papa Ji >From: "Don \"Mango\" Pancoe" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Way OT, Re: begin of millenium. >Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:12:14 -0500 > > > I've always liked this philosophy. Too bad I didn't know about it until >this > > year, otherwise I would've enjoyed being in my 20's while I was still >30! > > It's 31, 41, 51, etc. that we all get to dread from this point forward. > >Nope, that doesn't work. The reason the millenium doesn't technically begin >until 2001 is that, back when Ceasar Augustus began the current calendar, >they were using Roman numerals (of course,) and there was no symbol for, >nor >even a concept of "zero." Therefore, they were calling the first year "Year >1" even though a full year had not yet passed in the new calendar. That is >why we will not complete 2000 years until the end of 2001 (2000 years' >worth >of accounting errors notwithstanding; by some accounts we are actually in >the year 2016.) > >In your case, however, you were most likely not delared "1 year old" until >you had been alive for one full year. Therefore, at age 30, you have in >fact >completed 30 years of your life. > >Sorry to be the spoiler, ;-) >-- Mango -- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 11:21:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07724; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:21:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:21:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: 16 second delay problem Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:01:55 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <383C91B9.24C1@voicenet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"wkOyD2.0.cB1.RtLFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I wrote the "Ronsound" guy and asked if he would fix an EH 16-sec Delay and this is what he said: << Sorry, I do not work on these items. Your best bet would be to contact Christian Landry at cjlandry@compassnet.com. He has more experience with these particular items. Ron Neely II The EH Man Electro-Harmonix info at: http://surf.to/electroharmonix fx schematics and repairs ICQ: 6533511 >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 12:13:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17773; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:13:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:13:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:33:55 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Effect as crutch X-Sender-Ip: 4.54.50.113 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dR1ln3.0.qZ2.vKMFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --Jeff beck uses relatively few effects reverb and fuzz. to get his tones On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:03:47 Christopher White wrote: >how about efxs as an instrument? >---------- >From: "Alan Imberg" >To: >Subject: Re: Effect as crutch >Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999, 7:52 PM > > >Clifford makes a very valid point. Its easy to take for granted the sound >options we have today. I still marvel at Hendrix's recordings. The effects >may sound dated today but when I consider the state of the art circa 1966 to >1970, I get blown away by the tones he gets almost as much as his playing. >Even more impressive in my opinion is the fact I've yet to hear anyone come >close to sounding like Jimi even thought the effects he used are now very >common and affordable. > >Though it is a cliche, I find validity in the analogy that sonic effects are >the equivalent to musicians what extra colors are to a painter. Today, we >have colors galore. Placed in certain peoples hands, they can become nothing >more than a smeared mess. Placed in the hands of someone with imagination, >patience, and vision, you can get a masterpiece. > >Bottom line: Its the imagination behind the tools that determines the >quality. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bien Appraisers >To: Loopers Delight >Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:50 AM >Subject: Effect as crutch > > > This happened a lot in the 60's and 70's- people had concepts for >sounds (Miles a great deal I hear) and went looking for them even to the >point of having them made from scratch- inspiration- now we find ourselves >in a time where anyone from anywhere can go and buy just about every last >effect on the planet for chump change- (basically!) so instead of a ring >modulator being a rare item as it used to be, now you can have one and 100 >other effects for a few hundred dollars- not a bad thing but of course there >will be those who just may be using the effect as a "crutch" every so often- > > >Clifford > > -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 12:22:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19679; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:22:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:22:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991125170408.34741.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: another millenium argument Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:04:08 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"IaNJg2.0.O34.2nMFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, a 'millenium' is simply defined as 1000 years, right? It doesn't really matter when it ends and when it starts as long as the duration is correct. If we started counting in 1950 and stopped counting in 2949 it would be a millenium. Milleniums are beginning and ending at every instant. You can have the millenium that begins on 1/1/2001. Personally, I'm going to pay attention to the more fun and exciting one that begins on 1/1/2000. Mr. Tough (Built millenium strong for your millenium needs) >From: "Javier Miranda V." >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: RE: Begining of Millennium >Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:41:15 -0800 > >I think Greg is speaking from cultural conditioning. There is a great deal >of tortured and misshapen arguments and notions in the US. Starting from >thinking that it's cool to use gallons instead of liters, miles instead of >kilometers, and that everybody in the Universe speaks English (Star Trek). >Same old argument, what's real? The truth is that a millennium starts on >the first year (that's why it's written with a number one), not on "year >zero," as there was no "year zero." The "Seventies" are not the seventh >decade-- they're the eighth decade. The Nineteenth Century ended in >December 1900, and the Twentieth Century in December 2000-- see the >connection (19, 1900-- 20, 2000)? To say that 2000 is not as cool as 1999 >is like thinking that it's OK to have strange aliens in Star Trek talking >English like they grew up in Kansas. From the outside this looks really >uncool. And I'm a good outsider, I can tell you that unanimously. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: G716 [mailto:g716@hotmail.com] > | Sent: Wednesday 24 November 1999 2:36 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: OT: begin of millenium. > | > | > | > The 21st century begins January 1st 2001. > | > | I've always like this philosophy. Too bad I didn't know about > | it until this > | year, otherwise I would've enjoyed being in my 20's while I was > | still 30! > | It's 31, 41, 51, etc. that we all get to dread from this point >forward. > | > | I love it! > | Greg > | > | (yeah, yeah, I've heard all the arguments about starting at > | "1". It's just > | so boring and mundane. Who'll celebrate 2001 with as much excitement >as > | 2000? Just the Kubrick fans I suppose. And no one wants to hear a >song > | line like "Two throusand zero one party over oops out-a time. > | Gonna party > | like it's 2000.... ". It's the chronological equivalent to calling >some > | guitar bridges "tremelos".) > | > | > | > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 12:15:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18553; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:15:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:15:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991125165757.10390.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Effect as crutch Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:57:57 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"_qPsp1.0.9g3.EhMFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While you can go out and buy just about every effect nowadays, and sadly many of these effects are made to imitate previously existing musicians, there seems to be an ever decreasing number of effects that are malleable enough to let artists create their own new sounds these days. Part of it would seem to coincide with the digital effect revolution. A lot of the high end FX units coming out these days are filled mostly with presets, and provide very little room for user-created effects. (The same goes for a lot of keyboards and drum machines lately.) On the other end, effect pedals are becoming more and more mundane. Instead of making a few pedals that are adaptable to create many different sounds, manufacturers seem to be trying to create pedals that make ONLY the sounds that they think musicians want. Is this part of the reason why there's such a drive for older FX? I can do more with my EH Microsynth than I could with 5 different Boss overdrive pedals. Lately, it seems like yard sales and flea markets are the best places to get new music equipment, not just because it's cheaper, but because you're more likely to get gear that you can actually use for creative endeavors. (And not 'imitating other artist' endeavors.) I shouldn't complain. I'm thankful that there are still EQ squashboxes. I'm thankful that DOD did create DFX 94's at least for a little while. And I'm thankful for you. (finger pointing at you.) haha Happy thanksgiving everyone! Mr. Tough >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bien Appraisers >To: Loopers Delight >Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:50 AM >Subject: Effect as crutch > > > This happened a lot in the 60's and 70's- people had concepts for >sounds (Miles a great deal I hear) and went looking for them even to the >point of having them made from scratch- inspiration- now we find ourselves >in a time where anyone from anywhere can go and buy just about every last >effect on the planet for chump change- (basically!) so instead of a ring >modulator being a rare item as it used to be, now you can have one and 100 >other effects for a few hundred dollars- not a bad thing but of course >there >will be those who just may be using the effect as a "crutch" every so >often- > > >Clifford > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 12:36:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22039; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:36:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:36:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911251718.MAA13041@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:19:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Effect as crutch From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"a0JgO1.0.Fb4.szMFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I do not play guitar or any other standard instrument for that matter.. i use found sounds as my palette.. i must say that i often end up just using my looping features on my quad 2 and my mpx 1 with maybe a bit of octave pitches..though sometimes i do drift towards those long deep hallways and the skipping delays. i say it is all a means to an end and some can pull it off while others drift in preset efxt hell. i prefer to spend many an hour making up my own special efxt blend so as to add to the sound not to make the efxt thee sound. c.white ---------- >From: "mark givens" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Effect as crutch >Date: Thu, Nov 25, 1999, 12:33 PM > > >--Jeff beck uses relatively few effects reverb and fuzz. to get his tones > >On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:03:47 Christopher White wrote: >>how about efxs as an instrument? >>---------- >>From: "Alan Imberg" >>To: >>Subject: Re: Effect as crutch >>Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999, 7:52 PM >> >> >>Clifford makes a very valid point. Its easy to take for granted the sound >>options we have today. I still marvel at Hendrix's recordings. The effects >>may sound dated today but when I consider the state of the art circa 1966 to >>1970, I get blown away by the tones he gets almost as much as his playing. >>Even more impressive in my opinion is the fact I've yet to hear anyone come >>close to sounding like Jimi even thought the effects he used are now very >>common and affordable. >> >>Though it is a cliche, I find validity in the analogy that sonic effects are >>the equivalent to musicians what extra colors are to a painter. Today, we >>have colors galore. Placed in certain peoples hands, they can become nothing >>more than a smeared mess. Placed in the hands of someone with imagination, >>patience, and vision, you can get a masterpiece. >> >>Bottom line: Its the imagination behind the tools that determines the >>quality. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bien Appraisers >>To: Loopers Delight >>Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:50 AM >>Subject: Effect as crutch >> >> >> This happened a lot in the 60's and 70's- people had concepts for >>sounds (Miles a great deal I hear) and went looking for them even to the >>point of having them made from scratch- inspiration- now we find ourselves >>in a time where anyone from anywhere can go and buy just about every last >>effect on the planet for chump change- (basically!) so instead of a ring >>modulator being a rare item as it used to be, now you can have one and 100 >>other effects for a few hundred dollars- not a bad thing but of course there >>will be those who just may be using the effect as a "crutch" every so often- >> >> >>Clifford >> >> > > >-- >Join the most exciting community of women on the web! >iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, >your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, >and dozens of problem-solving tools. >http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 13:32:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32535; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:32:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:32:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.8d8be563.256ed66b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:14:03 EST Subject: Re: Way OT, Re: begin of millenium. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"hz4fy.0.xD7.doNFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/25/99 1:59:29 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, papadave55@hotmail.com writes: << I AM an eternal infinate Spirit with no calendar or millenium charting my time and space. >> wow......i feel that way until my alarm goes off and i have to get out of bed in the morning.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 13:42:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02158; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:42:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:42:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:24:41 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: > loopist > musician > looper sync Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"0gumD2.0.ef7.myNFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> Using BrotherSync in the version I am working on, the second player can start his recording while the first is still recording. And it works free like multiply with rounding and green counter! No quantizing is necessary! You may choose it though, especially when playing straight drum machine or sequencer stuff. I dont like it ;-) >So is this the same s/w update that Kim also speaks of with double >speed/half speed options? Yes, thats the one, I am still fighting with the last and most ugly bugs. The green counter is MULTIPLE. In this case it tells you how many cycles of your brothers basic loop are contained in your first recording - just like starting straight with Multiply... > >And do you have any feel for when Gibson and Trace Elliott might make >new EDP's available? I'm still really steamed that I'm not able to >play in stereo yet... feel? no. But I know they started, they will finish. I know its hard to wait (imagine how much I am waiting!), but the more we trust and DO something usefull, the quicker things come... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 13:42:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02157; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:42:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:42:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <0.44ad8953.256ca96d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:24:41 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"LrpzV3.0.8f7.jyNFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I think this is where the dangers begin. Weren't all the toys meant to >"enhance" our music, not the other way around? well, if the music does not enhance the toys, what does? even good that instruments help inspiration. My good old steelstring started to buzz. I could have replaced the bone, but did not. The buzz is controllable by bending the neck... sometimes ugly sometimes inspiring... but its still me playing, not the bone. > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] > | Sent: Tuesday 23 November 1999 6:38 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: delay -> looper || player -> loopist -> musician > | > | > | In a message dated 11/23/99 2:41:54 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, > | hartne.t@apple.com writes: > | > | << but you may have to shift your musical approach to accommodate > | the technology. >> > | > | and therein lies a lot of fun.........but then > | again.........:)...........michael ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 13:43:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02203; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:43:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:43:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:24:41 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT: begin of millenium. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"lcAxQ1.0.Jf7.kyNFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Alright! Enough with this Millennium crap... Let's get back to >business and finally sort out the midi pgm 0-126 or 1-127 argument! >I'm all for 1-127 because 0 signifies nothing and we all know we store >our best user patch there. It just goes against the grain >philosophically and functionally. It's egregious and offensive... >Can't we all get along???? *-b frustrating really, humanity does not even agree on counting. If you cut a straight cake, the first cut gives you the first piece If the cake is round, only the second cut gives you the first piece Now: do you count cuts or pieces? We are born at age 0. If we count on fingers, the first is one. Digital counting starts at zero. Digitus means finger. %-( For me, the millenium changes when all the 9s turn 0s. But if someone wants me to play for the new millenium at the end of 2000, I will. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 14:20:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09245; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:20:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:20:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911251902.OAA06009@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:32:46 +0530 Subject: Re: Digital Performer POLAR From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Erv_u1.0.7U1.TVOFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Look here : http://www.motu.com/english/software/dp/dp26/index.html Rather than a performance device, this could be a very useful composition tool. - d. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 14:35:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11938; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:35:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:35:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911251918.OAA32764@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 02:20:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Effect as crutch From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WrX-y.0.uB2.2lOFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what is the address? ---------- >From: "L Tremblay" >To: >Subject: Re: Effect as crutch >Date: Thu, Nov 25, 1999, 2:59 PM > >Yes, actually you *can* use nothing more than a bunch of FX >and a mixer as an instrument using feedback (ala David Meyers' >Feedback Machines). Check out David's fantastic page (and pix of >his machines). > >- Larry > >-----Original Message----- >From: Christopher White >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Thursday, November 25, 1999 12:49 AM >Subject: Re: Effect as crutch > > >>how about efxs as an instrument? >>---------- >>From: "Alan Imberg" >>To: >>Subject: Re: Effect as crutch >>Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999, 7:52 PM >> >> >>Clifford makes a very valid point. Its easy to take for granted the sound >>options we have today. I still marvel at Hendrix's recordings. The effects >>may sound dated today but when I consider the state of the art circa 1966 >to >>1970, I get blown away by the tones he gets almost as much as his playing. >>Even more impressive in my opinion is the fact I've yet to hear anyone come >>close to sounding like Jimi even thought the effects he used are now very >>common and affordable. >> >>Though it is a cliche, I find validity in the analogy that sonic effects >are >>the equivalent to musicians what extra colors are to a painter. Today, we >>have colors galore. Placed in certain peoples hands, they can become >nothing >>more than a smeared mess. Placed in the hands of someone with imagination, >>patience, and vision, you can get a masterpiece. >> >>Bottom line: Its the imagination behind the tools that determines the >>quality. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bien Appraisers >>To: Loopers Delight >>Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:50 AM >>Subject: Effect as crutch >> >> >> This happened a lot in the 60's and 70's- people had concepts for >>sounds (Miles a great deal I hear) and went looking for them even to the >>point of having them made from scratch- inspiration- now we find ourselves >>in a time where anyone from anywhere can go and buy just about every last >>effect on the planet for chump change- (basically!) so instead of a ring >>modulator being a rare item as it used to be, now you can have one and 100 >>other effects for a few hundred dollars- not a bad thing but of course >there >>will be those who just may be using the effect as a "crutch" every so >often- >> >> >>Clifford >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 13:49:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03723; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:49:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:49:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911251832.NAA32523@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:00:24 +0530 Subject: RE: OT: begin of millennium. From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VEJOk2.0.Qy7.P3OFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What beats me is all the fuss about celebrating the "new Millenium". What the heck happened to celebrating the achievements of the 20th century ? That is what 2000 should have been about. Would have worked out nicely for those with vested interests as well, both commercial & idealogical : 2 years of festivities. Instead we're gonna get a 365 day embarassing display of so many people who can't count. - Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 14:14:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07954; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:14:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:14:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003801bf3777$2f4a0800$784badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Effect as crutch Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:59:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"tjABx1.0.QA1.IQOFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, actually you *can* use nothing more than a bunch of FX and a mixer as an instrument using feedback (ala David Meyers' Feedback Machines). Check out David's fantastic page (and pix of his machines). - Larry -----Original Message----- From: Christopher White To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, November 25, 1999 12:49 AM Subject: Re: Effect as crutch >how about efxs as an instrument? >---------- >From: "Alan Imberg" >To: >Subject: Re: Effect as crutch >Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999, 7:52 PM > > >Clifford makes a very valid point. Its easy to take for granted the sound >options we have today. I still marvel at Hendrix's recordings. The effects >may sound dated today but when I consider the state of the art circa 1966 to >1970, I get blown away by the tones he gets almost as much as his playing. >Even more impressive in my opinion is the fact I've yet to hear anyone come >close to sounding like Jimi even thought the effects he used are now very >common and affordable. > >Though it is a cliche, I find validity in the analogy that sonic effects are >the equivalent to musicians what extra colors are to a painter. Today, we >have colors galore. Placed in certain peoples hands, they can become nothing >more than a smeared mess. Placed in the hands of someone with imagination, >patience, and vision, you can get a masterpiece. > >Bottom line: Its the imagination behind the tools that determines the >quality. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bien Appraisers >To: Loopers Delight >Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:50 AM >Subject: Effect as crutch > > > This happened a lot in the 60's and 70's- people had concepts for >sounds (Miles a great deal I hear) and went looking for them even to the >point of having them made from scratch- inspiration- now we find ourselves >in a time where anyone from anywhere can go and buy just about every last >effect on the planet for chump change- (basically!) so instead of a ring >modulator being a rare item as it used to be, now you can have one and 100 >other effects for a few hundred dollars- not a bad thing but of course there >will be those who just may be using the effect as a "crutch" every so often- > > >Clifford > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 14:35:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11959; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:35:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:35:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.2572a470.256ee4d8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:15:36 EST Subject: thanksgiving message To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"k-2MJ3.0.-62.LiOFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the following is an exerpt of a song of mine, performed at my first bedroom concert in 98 at which time, i was needlessly told to have no more children: "thanksgiving is coming the turkeys are sad, the pilgrims are happy, the indians are mad. thanksgiving is coming, presbyterians wear plaid, thanksgiving is coming again!" we have much to be thankful for and nearly at the top of my list is KIM and LOOPERS DELIGHT................."gobble, gobble" (which translates as "put down that ax and eat a cow").............have a great day.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 15:25:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21371; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:25:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:25:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: OT: begin of millenium. Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:03:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"7sWf22.0.UM4.qQPFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Digital counting may start at zero, but that has nothing to do with how we count years. And it should not be really called "digital," but binary. And you will have to agree that the binary system is rather different from the decimal system. In the decimal system the first number is 1, the tenth one is 10, and then we start over, as in 10+1 gets 11; 10+2 gets 12, etc. There was no "year zero." There was the year 2 B.C., 1 B.C., and then immediatetly following that there was the year 1 A.D. Beginning in 1 A.D., counting sets of one-thousand years, we end the first one in the year 1000 A.D., and we end the second set in 2000 A.D. The third set of one-thousand years-- the third millennium-- starts in 2001 A.D., exactly the first second of 1 January 2001 A.D. I saw an idiot journalist last night talking about people in Europe in 999 A.D. on the onset of the new millennium. This is tantamount to lending $1,000 to someone and expecting to get only $999 back. Everybody knows how much you would expect back in such a loan. All it takes is a bit of thinking for yourself and you'll see exactly what it's like. Don't believe the corporations. They just want to sell you something. | -----Original Message----- | From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] | Sent: Thursday 25 November 1999 10:25 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: OT: begin of millenium. | | | >Alright! Enough with this Millennium crap... Let's get back to | >business and finally sort out the midi pgm 0-126 or 1-127 argument! | >I'm all for 1-127 because 0 signifies nothing and we all know we store | >our best user patch there. It just goes against the grain | >philosophically and functionally. It's egregious and offensive... | >Can't we all get along???? *-b | | frustrating really, humanity does not even agree on counting. | | If you cut a straight cake, the first cut gives you the first piece | If the cake is round, only the second cut gives you the first piece | Now: do you count cuts or pieces? | | We are born at age 0. | | If we count on fingers, the first is one. | Digital counting starts at zero. | Digitus means finger. %-( | | For me, the millenium changes when all the 9s turn 0s. | But if someone wants me to play for the new millenium at the end of | 2000, I will. | | | ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 15:10:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18730; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:10:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:10:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex reverse for fun and profit, was Re: EH 16 Bob s page Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:07:27 -0800 Message-ID: <003001bf3780$b22b7fc0$f9358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"sg3C42.0.AN4.7RPFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Holy shmagoli! Thanks for the tips Kim! I will certainly check out the suggestions- especially "That badass hip-hop reversed drum trick, except you'll do it Live!" I will check this out for sure! Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 12:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex reverse for fun and profit, was Re: EH 16 Bob s page At 4:36 PM -0800 11/24/99, Clifford@BienAppraisers wrote: > I would love to see reverse in EDP easier to access, ah, it is easy to access on the echoplex! The Insert button is really more of a multi-purpose button. It can be set to do other stuff besides Insert, like Reverse! You set it's function with the "InsertMode" parameter. With it set to Reverse, you have instant reverse access by tapping the Insert button! Here are some fun reverse tricks on the echoplex: From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 16:32:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00520; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:32:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:32:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991125212723.26371.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.185.252.1] From: "amos elmaliah" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: live band looping,looking for equipment. Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:27:23 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"C1ooZ2.0.dq7.qdQFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com help! people, if you know what's going on in the market, yep,i'm looking for the JAMMAN or the ECHOPLEX or the BOOMERANG like every other recent becomed looper musician. but but not only for autolooperation (sampling, looping myself) first i want to be able all the freedon of looping in real time preformance, both me and my trio members through the mixer. being a little bit like a DJ, i want to extend the dimentionality of the music. so actually, i am looking for devices that are more "sampler" orientated, since i want to my music acts in the live aspect there's there're two different status. first, i need to work with my rythem section sampling and modifieing the music,a little bit like a DJ, second status,is when i need to go on the guitar and play with whatever it is that's going on (the samples an live stuff) through ,another maybe, processing and looping unit. in doing this i want to bring the 'loop' the repetative forms to be more living, flexible, musical medium. i have a lot of ideas but i need the tools,which i don't have. please feel free to contact me... am0as;9) amosel@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 17:06:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06233; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:06:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:06:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012a01bf3790$98276480$2ee631d4@demon.co.uk> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: New MP3 Page (Shameless Self Promotion!) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:52:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"n-zFJ3.0.NR1.58RFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Loopers, Some weeks back I posted the URL to my new website ( http://www.waterleat.demon.co.uk ) and some of you were kind enough to contact me directly with your feedback. I have recently added a page of MP3 files which you may like to check out. The current selection includes several live takes, plus a taster track from my (drum'n'bass inspired) side-project which features 'fragmented vocal' contributions from my wife Lisa. Cheerio, Lee Fletcher http://www.waterleat.demon.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 17:21:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08924; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:21:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:21:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:16:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jeffery Hildebrand X-Sender: jscotth@logan.ucdavis.edu To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: end of millenium Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"4_sSo2.0.v62.kLRFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i guess maybe i tend to look at the glass half empty, but oh well i have my boomerang so i'm all set. so what about those old people living in B.C.? did they just decide to start counting the years backwards, then when they ran out of years they killed some jew and named the rest of time after him? ... and then counted time backwards, which is now forwards. anyway it's not important, except that i want a party for each millenium philosophy. other than that i'd like to say that loopers-delight is the OFFICIAL internet discussion group of the millenium. scott From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 17:37:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11579; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:37:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:37:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.84f47806.256ef6ed@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:32:45 EST Subject: im tryin to stay with ya................ To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"C-2GB1.0.Hl2.maRFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com matthias wrote: << If the cake is round, only the second cut gives you the first piece>> what if you cut a round cake in half?..................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 19:21:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29885; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:21:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:21:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <383D4210.E5912056@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:05:04 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: any drummers utilizing loopers? References: <199911241659.IAA24381@emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <000801bf372a$3ca89ae0$159bb8d4@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LTqAl2.0.bz6.H5TFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi luis, i'm a canadian living in berlin - lotsa people into electronics here ... you should definitely check things out here - lotsa sessions, gigs etc. where are you at? rob Luis Angulo wrote: > > > Hey what´s happening! > I lived in San Diego 18 years of my life and i wound up in Southern Germany, > funny isn´t it? Too bad we are so far away it would be great to jam !I´m a > guitarrist and use the EDP and boomerang for looping.I haven´t found many > people who are into looping here! > Say hello to the California sunshine God nows i could use some here! > Luis > > ....Any of you > > folks on the list reside in the San Diego CA. area? love to talk maybe > make > > some music. Craig Zarkos drums/perc/programming > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 19:21:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29871; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:21:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:21:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <383D466B.4056C72@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:23:39 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: any drummers utilizing loopers? References: <199911241659.IAA24381@emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bst96.0.Q-6.W5TFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello craig, i'm a drummer too - good to hear from another one! are you going to loop electric or acoustic drums? i was using a jamman to loop drumset and percussion a couple of years ago. the concept is good but you've always have to deal with bleed-through from other instruments & monitors etc. this often leads to a very lo-fi sound - this can be interesting sometimes but it's probably not what you always want to have. if yuh can git an echoplex - go fer it! i'm now using an mpc2000 with my entire drum set sampled on it - i'm trying to get something together combining that with my live playing AND the jamman (controlled by the mpc) - gear mania needless to say ... solutions? - in-ear or headphone monitoring (my preference) - internal/direct miking of toms, bd etc. - leave the looping to the guitarists :-( BTW: a great example of live drum looping can be found on the new bobby previte album PONGA (w/ wayne horvitz, dave palmer, + skerik) - listen to the end of track 5 ("awesome wells") where the whole band gets looped and processed (by skerik?) in full muddy glory. lader eh, rob Craig Zarkos schrieb: > > > Just wondering if anyone has any experience looping live drums/percussion > and if so could point me to the best box for that purpose. Looks as though > either the Boomerang or the Echoplex? also any cd's worth checking out done > utilizing the looper type thing that are must haves...Thanks alot,and thanks > for the great info i've gathered while lurking on this list....Any of you > folks on the list reside in the San Diego CA. area? love to talk maybe make > some music. Craig Zarkos drums/perc/programming From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 20:56:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16916; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:56:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:56:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911260149.RAA14385@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:49:47 -0600 Subject: Re: EH-16 reissue speculation From: "Tiktok World HQ" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"koIfL.0.Du3.XTUFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd say $500-800 for a Microsynth is "absurd", $250-300 is "pricey". Based on this, I'd expect EH to sell a 16 reissue for in the ballpark of $600. TH ---------- >From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #462 >Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999, 10:32 PM > > I don't know about this. the Microsynth was selling for $500-800 used > right before they brought out the reissue. While it's not 100% the same > it sells for $250+ new now which is very reasonable relatively speaking. > the 16 second delay now goes for over $1k all the time. A $250-300 price > tag would be fine by me if they do it. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 21:55:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00741; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:55:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:55:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: jimarnt@mail.interlog.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:53:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: jimarnt@interlog.com (Jim Arnott) Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem Resent-Message-ID: <"YttKz3.0.ar7.3MVFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Actually, I paid $500 Canadian, which wasn't cheap, but certainly not very expensive either. As you say, all EH reissues have been expensive, even overpriced, so why would a high price tag be any more detrimental in the case of the 16 sec. delay? It was more expensive in the first place, but it didn't just cost more, it did more. Also, the high prices used units are fetching would seem to indicate that there is a demand there. I'm not sure how you define wacko, but if you are referring to the ability of an effect to produce truely unusual sounds, the EH-16 definately qualifies. Also, I wasn't suggesting that a re-issue would necessarily be an exact copy. I believe they have made some changes to things they have re-issued in the past,the polychorus for example. Personally, I'd much rather pay between five hundred and let's say a thousand dollars for a new and hopefully improved EH-16 than $270.00 for a new frequencey analyser, and I have both. In fact, I've got 8 or 9 original EH pedals and the 16 sec. delay is my favourite by far. Perhaps, as you suggest though, most people would not see it this way. -j >The EH-16 was pricey when it was new ($799 is what I recall, back in the >early '80's). All the EH reissues have been pricey, so there's no reason to >believe that the 16sec delay wouldn't also be pricey. And I'd say that the >demand for the EH-16 is very slim ("What, no MIDI? No stereo? No >tap-tempo?!"), compared to wacko pedals for vintage-obsessed guitarists. > > >TH > > >> From: jimarnt@interlog.com (Jim Arnott) >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:21:37 -0400 >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem >> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:20:06 -0500 >> >> Another thought: Now that EH seems to be a revitalized, active company >> again, I wonder if it would be possible to send it to them? >> >> I can't believe they re-released the Frequency Analyser before the 16 sec. >> delay! It's cool too, but the demand for the 16 sec. delay has got to be >> greater. No? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 25 22:25:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07847; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:25:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:25:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.a9855616.256f5699@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:20:57 EST Subject: Re: any drummers utilizing loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"YiI9D2.0.4j1.DpVFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/24/99 11:48:10 AM, dennis@mdbs.com writes: << >Just wondering if anyone has any experience looping live drums/percussion >and if so could point me to the best box for that purpose. >> I use the JamMan and the EDP to loop percussion....if you are syncing to MIDI (drum machine or another looper) I find the JamMan easier to use. To start a synced loop on the JamMan, you can hit start at any time during the preset duration of the loop and then it automatically stops after the duration has finished. This sounds confusing...If you set the Loop length to 8 beats...let's say the figure you want to loop has "pickup" notes and you start recording the loop on beat 6. The loop will automatically close (and begin repeating) the next time the loop reaches beat 6, yet beat 1 is still recognized as the start of the loop (and no additional footswitch tap is required!). On the EDP with the "Quantize" function on... you have to hit start BEFORE beat 1 (record begins automatically ON beat 1) you can then hit record anywhere during the 8 beats (loop closes at Beat 1). The EDP will allow you to play in record and not close the loop until you feel like you played a good one (cool feature, but non-musical footswitch taps). I am still learning the Sync functions of the EDP (I'm probably not using it right!). So I sometimes get confused (but often interesting) results from the EDP. John Painter flemingandjohn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 00:22:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03015; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:22:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:22:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383E1737.6DCA778A@home.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:14:31 -0500 From: Fabio Katz Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: New MP3 samples Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"scRCF.0.Eq7.1SXFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all loopers, Happy Thanksgiving to everybody in the States (we had ours in Canada last month). Just a quick note to let you know that I have posted 8 sample MP3 files on my web site http://www.geocities.com/fabiokatz (visit link "Demo CD") Covers: Fuga Y Misterio (860KB) (A. Piazzolla) Addagio (310KB) (J.S.Bach) On Reflection (466KB) (Gentle Giant) Allegro (135KB) (F. Schubert) Originals: Echo (540KB) Taking Turns (440KB) Lata Fría (855KB) No Craft (840KB) All songs recorded live on Stick with no overdubs. All but "Echo" include live looping using an Echoplex Digital Pro. Enjoy! Fabio From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 00:40:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10691; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:40:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:40:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009201bf37a6$4fe88300$eb492026@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "lava" From: "lava" To: Subject: Re: end of millenium Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:36:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"An3iJ.0.JK2.PoXFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey i just this and, AMEN!! i think this is my first post? whoopeeelava -----Original Message----- From: Jeffery Hildebrand To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, November 25, 1999 10:39 PM Subject: end of millenium > i guess maybe i tend to look at the glass half empty, but oh well >i have my boomerang so i'm all set. so what about those old people living >in B.C.? did they just decide to start counting the years backwards, then >when they ran out of years they killed some jew and named the rest of time >after him? ... and then counted time backwards, which is now forwards. >anyway it's not important, except that i want a party for each millenium >philosophy. other than that i'd like to say that loopers-delight is the >OFFICIAL internet discussion group of the millenium. > > scott > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 00:21:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02739; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:21:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:21:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 03:07:51 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: OT: begin of millennium. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"2fLH11.0.xW7.uMXFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I wouldn't say that I was "nothing" when I was born. thats because you had been living for 9 month by then... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 00:21:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02740; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:21:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:21:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <383D3DAF.F4B52B61@jimmygeorgearts.com> References: <383D3DAF.F4B52B61@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 03:11:44 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Effect as crutch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"VwrEG.0.il7.WQXFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >technology must always be a servant to music and creativity, not the other >way around. > If I developp technology while listening to your CDs, is that "the other way round"? Or how else could music be a servant to technology? ;-) ok, music can be an excuse to satisfy Adquiromania (need to have the latest or the oldest GEAR), a common symptom of city frustration. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 00:22:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03209; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:22:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:22:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991125153319.20400.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19991125153319.20400.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 03:08:00 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: no begin of millenium. Not OT! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"kgs1N2.0.VX7.1NXFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >The Chinese and Hindus from India are giggling at our little millenium >with their calendars that go back thousands of years. I AM an >eternal infinate Spirit with no calendar or millenium charting my >time and space. Om and Out Papa Ji That was the main principle of the Plex: We hide the beginnings and ends, but remember them. You can start any function whenever you want. You are not forced to care when the loop started. But you can force yourself into the "calender", with quantize. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 01:22:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19151; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:22:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:22:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911260617.WAA12110@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:21:12 -0700 Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_iLix2.0.MT4.8OYFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com someone please get ahold!!! I have a 16 sec since the day they were born-if you don't have one you will never know-if you have one you will forever know,best...stannner ---------- >From: jimarnt@interlog.com (Jim Arnott) >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem >Date: Thu, Nov 25, 1999, 6:53 PM > > Actually, I paid $500 Canadian, which wasn't cheap, but certainly not very > expensive either. As you say, all EH reissues have been expensive, even > overpriced, so why would a high price tag be any more detrimental in the > case of the 16 sec. delay? It was more expensive in the first place, but it > didn't just cost more, it did more. Also, the high prices used units are > fetching would seem to indicate that there is a demand there. > > I'm not sure how you define wacko, but if you are referring to the ability > of an effect to produce truely unusual sounds, the EH-16 definately > qualifies. > > Also, I wasn't suggesting that a re-issue would necessarily be an exact > copy. I believe they have made some changes to things they have re-issued > in the past,the polychorus for example. > > Personally, I'd much rather pay between five hundred and let's say a > thousand dollars for a new and hopefully improved EH-16 than $270.00 for a > new frequencey analyser, and I have both. > > In fact, I've got 8 or 9 original EH pedals and the 16 sec. delay is my > favourite by far. > > Perhaps, as you suggest though, most people would not see it this way. > > -j > >>The EH-16 was pricey when it was new ($799 is what I recall, back in the >>early '80's). All the EH reissues have been pricey, so there's no reason to >>believe that the 16sec delay wouldn't also be pricey. And I'd say that the >>demand for the EH-16 is very slim ("What, no MIDI? No stereo? No >>tap-tempo?!"), compared to wacko pedals for vintage-obsessed guitarists. >> >> >>TH >> >> >>> From: jimarnt@interlog.com (Jim Arnott) >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:21:37 -0400 >>> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>> Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem >>> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>> Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:20:06 -0500 >>> >>> Another thought: Now that EH seems to be a revitalized, active company >>> again, I wonder if it would be possible to send it to them? >>> >>> I can't believe they re-released the Frequency Analyser before the 16 sec. >>> delay! It's cool too, but the demand for the 16 sec. delay has got to be >>> greater. No? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 02:12:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27105; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 02:12:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 02:12:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005201bf37dd$6fcb7c90$224badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Effect as crutch Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 02:11:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZazKu2.0.8a6.T8ZFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oops! David's music page is at: http://www.pulsewidth.com/pages/feedbackmachines.html - Larry -----Original Message----- From: Christopher White To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, November 25, 1999 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Effect as crutch >what is the address? >---------- >>From: "L Tremblay" >>To: >>Subject: Re: Effect as crutch >>Date: Thu, Nov 25, 1999, 2:59 PM >> > >>Yes, actually you *can* use nothing more than a bunch of FX >>and a mixer as an instrument using feedback (ala David Meyers' >>Feedback Machines). Check out David's fantastic page (and pix of >>his machines). >> >>- Larry >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Christopher White >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Date: Thursday, November 25, 1999 12:49 AM >>Subject: Re: Effect as crutch >> >> >>>how about efxs as an instrument? >>>---------- >>>From: "Alan Imberg" >>>To: >>>Subject: Re: Effect as crutch >>>Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999, 7:52 PM >>> >>> >>>Clifford makes a very valid point. Its easy to take for granted the sound >>>options we have today. I still marvel at Hendrix's recordings. The effects >>>may sound dated today but when I consider the state of the art circa 1966 >>to >>>1970, I get blown away by the tones he gets almost as much as his playing. >>>Even more impressive in my opinion is the fact I've yet to hear anyone come >>>close to sounding like Jimi even thought the effects he used are now very >>>common and affordable. >>> >>>Though it is a cliche, I find validity in the analogy that sonic effects >>are >>>the equivalent to musicians what extra colors are to a painter. Today, we >>>have colors galore. Placed in certain peoples hands, they can become >>nothing >>>more than a smeared mess. Placed in the hands of someone with imagination, >>>patience, and vision, you can get a masterpiece. >>> >>>Bottom line: Its the imagination behind the tools that determines the >>>quality. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bien Appraisers >>>To: Loopers Delight >>>Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:50 AM >>>Subject: Effect as crutch >>> >>> >>> This happened a lot in the 60's and 70's- people had concepts for >>>sounds (Miles a great deal I hear) and went looking for them even to the >>>point of having them made from scratch- inspiration- now we find ourselves >>>in a time where anyone from anywhere can go and buy just about every last >>>effect on the planet for chump change- (basically!) so instead of a ring >>>modulator being a rare item as it used to be, now you can have one and 100 >>>other effects for a few hundred dollars- not a bad thing but of course >>there >>>will be those who just may be using the effect as a "crutch" every so >>often- >>> >>> >>>Clifford >>> >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 05:26:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29162; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 05:26:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 05:26:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ed01bf37f6$bdffbe80$c89bb8d4@oemcomputer> To: "Loopers delight" References: <19991125170408.34741.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: another millenium argument Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:11:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) Resent-Message-ID: <"524tV3.0.OE6.AnbFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You are absolutely right .There are much better alternatives (for children as well) than eating a poisonous Big Mac in capitalist world kingdom Mc Donalds.I am also an outsider! > >I think Greg is speaking from cultural conditioning. There is a great deal > >of tortured and misshapen arguments and notions in the US. Starting from > >thinking that it's cool to use gallons instead of liters, miles instead of > >kilometers, and that everybody in the Universe speaks English (Star Trek). > >Same old argument, what's real? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 05:26:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29161; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 05:26:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 05:26:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ec01bf37f6$bd258b20$c89bb8d4@oemcomputer> To: "Loopers delight" References: <199911241659.IAA24381@emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <000801bf372a$3ca89ae0$159bb8d4@oemcomputer> <383D4210.E5912056@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: any drummers utilizing loopers? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:10:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) Resent-Message-ID: <"HkaGB1.0.aE6.BnbFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Cummings An: Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. November 1999 15:05 Betreff: Re: any drummers utilizing loopers? hi luis, i'm a canadian living in berlin - lotsa people into electronics here ... you should definitely check things out here - lotsa sessions, gigs etc. where are you at? rob Hello There, I am down here in Southern Germany in the border with Suitzerland, does Konstanz tell you something? Berlin is definetly exciting i was there during the summer with some friends who live in Kreuzberg but i didn´t have a chance to check out the electronic music scene.I saw other bands, museums,galeries there is some much to do there! Are you a musician? what dou you play?i am a guitarrist currently playing cuban music. Is great because cuban music has besides an incredible groove a hipnotic repetitive element which fits the looping character.( have you heard what bill laswell is doing with cuban music?)I´ve done other types of music in the past (Blues Reggae Rock) I am also listening to a lot of trip hop, santeria,indian, etc... as well and would like to some day incorporate all this influences into an original and conventional context. So, viel Spaß in Berlin ! Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 09:53:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10964; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:53:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:53:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911261442.JAA23676@emh1.pa.net> X-Sender: rswitzer@mail.pa.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:40:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Switzer Subject: Re: Effect as crutch In-Reply-To: References: <383D3DAF.F4B52B61@jimmygeorgearts.com> <383D3DAF.F4B52B61@jimmygeorgearts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WvIMm2.0.CB2.rnfFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:11 AM 11/26/99 -0200, you wrote: >>technology must always be a servant to music and creativity, not the other >>way around. >> How could it be otherwise? Not being a smartass here. Please explain. >From reading the discourse on 'effects as crutch' it seems to me that there are (at least) two major takes on this. The first is that music is something apart from sound -- sound is something you 'do to' music after the fact. Along with this, 'effects' are something apart from a musical instrument, added after the fact. The second take -- and the one I support -- is that music and sound are all of a piece, and everything you use to make sound/music constitutes a musical instrument. Many stompboxes, fx, software packages, or what have you are strong and expressive musical instruments in their own right. Saying that an artist's use of effects constitutes a 'crutch' may just be another way of saying that an artist has a sonic/concrete focus where timbre and texture are dominant rather than pitch and duration. Not a thing wrong with that, IMHO -- in fact, adopting a sonic focus is a choice that has only recently become available for the majority of musicians, and offers considerably more unexplored territory to plumb. rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 10:07:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13896; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:07:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:07:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:00:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911261500.KAA03402@dot.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"cClgE1.0.I73.B3gFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #140 November 25, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on the DiN label. The feature CD at midnight was "Autonomic" by Dub Atomica. DiN : http://www.DiN.org.uk EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Free System Projekt Amalthea Pointless Reminder (Quantum) Patrick Kosmos Auroville Trance Neutral Zone (Quantum) AirSculpture Traditional Folk Music Fjord Transit (Neu Harmony) Intelligentsia Off World Federation (Groove) VA [Dave Stafford] Spider's Web Looper's Delight Vol 1 (none) Roach & Rich Nightshade Soma (Hearts of Space) Robert Carty Spiral Vibrations * Microspirals (Deep Sky) 12:00 am Dub Atomica Atomicity Autonomic (DiN) Dub Atomica Soylent Green Autonomic (DiN) Dub Atomica Rhodeo Autonomic (DiN) Dub Atomica Autonomic Autonomic (DiN) Dub Atomica Ionosphere Autonomic (DiN) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I begain a the month-long focus on Robert Rich. Robert's 1996 Allentown concert was the first music ever played on EMUSIC. The Feature CD at Midnight will be the Trances disc from the "Trances/Drones" CD on the Extreme label. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 10:58:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23306; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:58:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:58:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 07:50:18 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: EH-reissues X-Sender-Ip: 207.44.83.195 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7CLTN.0.yH5.tngFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --dear list: what does the microsynth sound like ? would it be better than buying the waldorf filter if you are a sampler/synth user. How about for getting bass tones. I know the have a bass synth too. but what caant the" micro" do in this realm. On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:49:47 Tiktok World HQ wrote: >I'd say $500-800 for a Microsynth is "absurd", $250-300 is "pricey". Based >on this, I'd expect EH to sell a 16 reissue for in the ballpark of $600. > > >TH > >---------- >>From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >>To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >>Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #462 >>Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999, 10:32 PM >> > >> I don't know about this. the Microsynth was selling for $500-800 used >> right before they brought out the reissue. While it's not 100% the same >> it sells for $250+ new now which is very reasonable relatively speaking. >> the 16 second delay now goes for over $1k all the time. A $250-300 price >> tag would be fine by me if they do it. > > -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 11:10:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25849; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:10:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:10:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MyWarNerve@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b2e666c6.2570099d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:04:45 EST Subject: Re: Effect as crutch To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"B6eqc3.0.c56.S_gFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well said sir, I'm taking a risk here with this particular group, and opening myself up for ridicule because I haven't followed this thread entirely but, I think that Hendrix, were he alive today, would have much to say on this subject, and remove doubt from the minds of any "plug in and play purist" naysayers. A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 11:39:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31111; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:39:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:39:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991126113433.007ad3c0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:34:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Effect as crutch In-Reply-To: <199911261442.JAA23676@emh1.pa.net> References: <383D3DAF.F4B52B61@jimmygeorgearts.com> <383D3DAF.F4B52B61@jimmygeorgearts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"U8fpC3.0.lW7.URhFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:40 AM 11/26/99 -0500, you wrote: >At 03:11 AM 11/26/99 -0200, you wrote: > >>>technology must always be a servant to music and creativity, not the other >>>way around. > >How could it be otherwise? Not being a smartass here. Please explain. > I think part of what Javier and others have been getting at is the danger of being lazy and using "out of the box" presets (and/or patches, beats, tired overused samples, second-hand ideas, etc.) rather than making the effort to be a bit more original. While technology has obviously made many great things possible musically, it has also made it very easy to be mundane. Of course, this has always been true and doesn't apply only to high-tech; it's always been up to the musician to make the best use of the equipment on hand, and it's always been possible to run out and buy the finest instrument in the world and still not bother to learn more than three chords. It's just that lack of originality and poor musicianship can be harder to hide on a more conventional instrument. New tools (like the current bunch of "grooveboxes" out there, or the swiss-army multi-fx boxes) make it easier than ever to sound competent, and as such are a target for the backlash from schooled musicians who've worked hard to hone their skills. But the very features which make it easier to sound competent often make it more of a challenge to allow one's own musical identity and ideas to show through and characterize the piece, and every overplayed hit on the radio that fails this challenge adds weight to the "technology equals lack of musicianship" stereotype. It's a lot like the old arguments when sampling became popular: there's a big difference between lifting a whole idea/line/motif to use in your piece and using a sample in a new, creative way. Just because the Vanilla Ices and MC Hammers of the world may have ripped off old Rick James or Queen basslines or James Brown fills doesn't necessarily invalidate the whole idea of sampling, but there's no getting around the fact that such things invite criticism and leave those who want to use the technology in an original and creative way to fight the flak flung by "purists". So, in this light, music and creativity become a servant to technology and effects a crutch when the amount of thought, effort and originality are minimal. It's not the same as saying that the technology is inherently bad, because we all know it's not, especially when we consider the gearlust most of us on this list suffer from! We just have to be careful not to abuse it. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 13:56:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24486; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:56:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:56:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:50:51 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: OT: begin of millenium. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"UMoYb3.0.hi5.qQjFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Digital counting may start at zero, but that has nothing to do with how we >count years. And it should not be really called "digital," but binary. And >you will have to agree that the binary system is rather different from the >decimal system. In the decimal system the first number is 1, the tenth one >is 10, and then we start over, as in 10+1 gets 11; 10+2 gets 12, etc. the fact of beeing binary or decimal is not related to include zero or not. But a digital counter naturally includes zero, whereas a mechanical watch for example not so much, you just have to paint 12 instead of 0. >There was no "year zero." There was the year 2 B.C., 1 B.C., and then >immediatetly following that there was the year 1 A.D. Beginning in 1 A.D., >counting sets of one-thousand years, we end the first one in the year 1000 >A.D., and we end the second set in 2000 A.D. The third set of one-thousand >years-- the third millennium-- starts in 2001 A.D., exactly the first second >of 1 January 2001 A.D. I understood this view and it makes sense. But obviously, there are others and you dont spread good news by calling them "idiots" or saying: "the truth is:...". >I saw an idiot journalist last night talking about people in Europe in 999 >A.D. on the onset of the new millennium. This is tantamount to lending >$1,000 to someone and expecting to get only $999 back. Everybody knows how >much you would expect back in such a loan. Why should he not talk about people in the same phase, exactly 1000 years ago? They might even have crashed the heads of some that said that the millenium started at 1.1.1000... Nothing to do with $, for a change. We are free to change things. Whether there was a year 0 or not, 2000 years ago, is not the end of the story. The roman empire ended, we changed about every rule... The europeans decided to count 24 hours, and they use 0 rather than 24. Although in another post someone cited an old idea that with the inclusion of zero, the decline started, it might simply be progress (and the fear of it...) ? If the majority of mankind wants to include 0, thats probably the way to go. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 13:56:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24487; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:56:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:56:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.84f47806.256ef6ed@aol.com> References: <0.84f47806.256ef6ed@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:50:51 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: im tryin to stay with ya................ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"KqBAh1.0.2i5.cQjFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >matthias wrote: > ><< If the cake is round, only the second cut gives you the first piece>> > >what if you cut a round cake in half?..................michael > > then you still have no piece of the size that society consideres eatable ;-) and if you do the second cut you get 4 pieces, so thats an all different model... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 13:56:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24476; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:56:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:56:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:50:51 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"QyhBQ2.0.8i5.cQjFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Also, I wasn't suggesting that a re-issue would necessarily be an exact >copy. I believe they have made some changes to things they have re-issued >in the past,the polychorus for example. > >Personally, I'd much rather pay between five hundred and let's say a >thousand dollars for a new and hopefully improved EH-16 than $270.00 for a >new frequencey analyser, and I have both. > the original "bucket brigade" analog delay chips are not available any more, I wonder whether they made it digitally even. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 14:41:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00717; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:41:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:41:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b9fd7a50.25703a8e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:33:34 EST Subject: tour dates To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"agU-i1.0.Aq7.I3kFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey listers... I will be administering "roots" guitar with ambient looping weirdness backing up Canadian singer-songwriter Douglas September on the following dates on the "Music Against Hunger Tour". There are other featured performers as well including Sheila Nichols... Best regards to all for the coming Holidays. - Robby Aceto Dec 02 La Tazza D'Art Philadelphia, PA 03 The Living Room New York, NY 06 Fire & Water Cafe Northampton, MA 07 Kendall Cafe Cambridge, MA 08 Kendall Cafe Cambridge, MA 09 Free Street Taverna Portland, ME 10 Sweetwater's Burlington, VT 11 TBA Portsmouth, NH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 15:09:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06425; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:09:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:09:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991126200011.52706.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.112.217.153] From: "tony moore" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: hello & jamman midi synch q's Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:00:11 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"0C2ik3.0.fD1.KSkFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com first off, just wanted to day hi. i'm fairly new to looping. i'm a bassist and have owned a boomerang for about 6 months, using it mainly as a practice tool. i recently bought a lexicon jamman in hopes of being able to perform with percussionist and guitarist friends who also have jamman's. i'm assuming by using midi, we should be able to keeps out loop in time with each other? this will also be my first endeavor in midi, so i apologize in advance for my naivety :-) any comments and/or pointers would be great! thanks! tony moore ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 15:25:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10005; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:25:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:25:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <383DE407.9FBE5623@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 02:36:07 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New MP3 Page (Shameless Self Promotion!) References: <012a01bf3790$98276480$2ee631d4@demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Tgleg.0.QA2.ojkFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com nice dnb track lee! i haven't heard much interesting dnb lately, but that was really good ... later, rob Lee Fletcher schrieb: > > > Hi Loopers, > > Some weeks back I posted the URL to my new website > ( http://www.waterleat.demon.co.uk ) and some of you were kind enough to > contact me directly with your feedback. > > I have recently added a page of MP3 files which you may like to check out. > The current selection includes several live takes, plus a taster track from > my (drum'n'bass inspired) side-project which features 'fragmented vocal' > contributions from my wife Lisa. > > Cheerio, > > Lee Fletcher > > http://www.waterleat.demon.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 15:25:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10043; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:25:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:25:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: floyd@voicenet.com Date: 26 Nov 1999 20:20:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19991126202004.23071.qmail@unix01.voicenet.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: OT: begin of millenium. Resent-Message-ID: <"ioQbn3.0.uB2.PkkFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does it matter if there was a year zero? What is the origin that we are supposed to celebrate the fact that it has been 2000 years since? That is probably arbitrary enough to make whether or not that happened in year 1 or year 0 a moot point. Whatever the beginning of our current calendar was, I think the big news is that we'll be flipping over 3 digits all at once. I still like to watch the odometer in my car roll over at the major milestones. It's like watching for the wink of the LED on my EDP telling me that's where the loop started :) - Floyd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 15:40:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12685; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:40:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:40:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <383DDE20.858B24EF@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 02:10:56 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Utilize the Loopers Site! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"34ONP2.0.lA2.qjkFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com jeez kim i-i-i think you're just using the wrong banners - no further comment necessary - wink wink, ya, ya - rob Kim Flint wrote: > > How bout if I give you a 5% cut out of my Sonic Foundry ad proceeds? For > the past two months, that would be $0.44! woohoo! > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 14:55:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03729; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:55:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:55:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: BByLng734@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6d1dd479.25703e34@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:49:08 EST Subject: loops/Y2K/Leibniz/Zeno/Imhotep To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"mBxdS1.0.Nf.nHkFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry to disappoint, but here is a mundanely on-topic post - I think a sharing of leads to competent and punctual technicians/shops who repair EDPs would be beneficial to the majority of the readership. My Echolplex is in need of repair and I am reluctant to trust it to a general "tinkerer" in a local shop. I would send it anywhere good work is known to be done on such pieces. I've referenced the LD archives, sent email to various Gibson/Oberheim officers (to no effect) and even opened the box and checked the fuse (as the single reply to my previous post suggested - thanks anyway, Travis) - Unfortunately, none of these attempts has led me to a solution. C'mon, folks - With the number of EDP users (including some professionals) and even designers of the unit itself on this list, a very useful pool of information could be collected. And little to no armchair philosophizing is required. Thanks - Rob Lang (If responses are sent, I'd suggest a retitling of the thread (from my joking title to something including "repair") to aid future reference) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 15:40:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12691; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:40:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:40:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002701bf384d$d949e880$612726d4@user> From: "Giovanna Gabusi" To: Subject: gtr4000 pc editor (Vsigfile) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:35:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01BF3856.224EDD80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"1RlHh.0.jp2.oxkFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BF3856.224EDD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am going crazy finding the way to download my gtr4000 dbase on = Vsigfile editor. 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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BF3856.224EDD80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 16:19:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20212; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:19:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:19:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383EEB22.FBF5F2F3@cdm.sfai.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:18:45 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Organization: San Francisco Art Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Stop! was:Re: im tryin to stay with ya(time) References: <0.84f47806.256ef6ed@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Resent-Message-ID: <"RUtXb1.0.Bg4.AVlFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, I know I'm the one that said we shouldn't try to limit our topics too much, but it's getting kind of ridiculous, with the millennium crap and blah, blah, blah. Don't you guys need time to practice? It's getting somewhat tiresome having to delete all these posts, if I want witty banter and small talk, I'll go down to the local pub. (of course you're all invited) but could we keep the posts at least a bit music related? It's like my grandfather used to say, "Just because you think it, doesn't mean you have to say it." (actually, my grandfather never said anything at all like that, he's pretty dim, but it sound better if you think it's coming from some wise old man) -- Mark Sottilaro Multimedia Specialist mark@cdm.sfai.edu (415) 771-7020 ext. 4411 Center For Digital Media San Francisco Art Institute 800 Chestnut St. San Francisco, CA 94133 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 15:52:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15249; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:52:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:52:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991126204730.82329.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [134.155.18.112] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: odd advice Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:47:29 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ySfeT1.0.SV3.Q8lFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"zm3-g.0.SY7.-PmFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >>Also, I wasn't suggesting that a re-issue would necessarily be an exact >>copy. I believe they have made some changes to things they have re-issued >>in the past,the polychorus for example. >> >>Personally, I'd much rather pay between five hundred and let's say a >>thousand dollars for a new and hopefully improved EH-16 than $270.00 for a >>new frequencey analyser, and I have both. >> > >the original "bucket brigade" analog delay chips are not available >any more, I wonder whether they made it digitally even. as I understand, this is why they have not produced a re-issue 16sec delay yet. The parts used in it are long gone. (a terrible danger with music gear that can last on the market years or decades, when the PC industry only needs the parts for 9 months.....) My guess is they are having a lot of trouble reproducing the quirks of it in currently available technologies. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 18:06:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07024; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:06:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:06:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383F0F0E.940145A1@virtulink.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:51:58 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zl0VS3.0.r_.NxmFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > >the original "bucket brigade" analog delay chips are not available > >any more, I wonder whether they made it digitally even. > > as I understand, this is why they have not produced a re-issue 16sec delay > yet. The parts used in it are long gone. (a terrible danger with music gear > that can last on the market years or decades, when the PC industry only > needs the parts for 9 months.....) My guess is they are having a lot of > trouble reproducing the quirks of it in currently available technologies. I wonder how close the Line 6 DL4 model of it is going to sound. Hopefully I can try one this week. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 18:18:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09652; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:18:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:18:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991126225455.15912.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.185.252.2] From: "amos elmaliah" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: berlin of the loopers Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:54:55 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"75GKz3.0.zD1.u_mFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com rob,i answered your letter before knowing we are neighbors. i do agree that the scene here in berlin is developping to this direction. i have to admit that 6 months ago, i wasn't as electron hip as i am today, there is something, maybe goining on here... " i was using a jamman to loop drumset and percussion a couple of years ago. the concept is good but you've always have to deal with bleed-through from other instruments & monitors etc. this often leads to a very lo-fi sound - this can be interesting sometimes but it's probably not what you always want to have. if yuh can git an echoplex - go fer it! i'm now using an mpc2000 with my entire drum set sampled on it - i'm trying to get something together combining that with my live playing AND the jamman (controlled by the mpc) - gear mania needless to say ... " hey man!! you actually are you working with the mpc2000 live as a looper drummer ! so you probably loop live with the jamboy and have the half of the groove played from the mpc that has your set sapled or not? i though you can't do anything with the mpc2000 live. i mean it's a production tool. i was actually thinking of using it for my progject for trough-mixer-band-sampling, and for my musical arrangment. " - leave the looping to the guitarists :-( " so you don't loop or ... " BTW: a great example of live drum looping can be found on the new bobby previte album PONGA (w/ wayne horvitz, dave palmer, + skerik) - listen to the end of track 5 ("awesome wells") where the whole band gets looped and processed (by skerik?) in full muddy glory. " aha!! so someone else already took my patent my idea of trough-mixer-band-sampling, just kidding... i actuall started thinking about band sampling partly hearing the king tubby dub work. am0oa;9) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 18:04:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06880; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:04:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:04:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:48:01 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loops/Y2K/Leibniz/Zeno/Imhotep In-reply-to: <0.6d1dd479.25703e34@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8pxn2.0.M-.BwmFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry, I didn't have time to reply to you before, no need to get irritable. >From your previous post, I would say replace the fuse first, same as Travis suggested. Did you actually replace it, or did you just look at it? Sometimes fuses blow in ways that are hard to see, and you have to look pretty hard to tell if it burned through or not. Easy to just replace it, then make sure the replacement has not blown too. (some people have had trouble getting poor quality fuses at radio shack or whereever that blew immediately in the echoplex. You may want to go up a size if you go there.) If the fuse keeps blowing, there may really be a short or something, in which case you should have a tech look at it. did you try calling Mike Ayers at Gibson Customer service? His number is 800-777-0795 x382 or (615) 871-4500 x382. or his mail is mayers@gibson.com. Usually he is very responsive and can provide you with info on getting repairs done. In fact, if you contact any of the customer service people there they are usually quite responsive and go find the answer you need. They'll often go so far as to contact people like me with questions from users if they are not sure of the best answer. I think they do a pretty good job. (they might be on thanksgiving holiday today, though.) and honestly, I'm just amazed sometimes at how people forget the simple idea of picking up their telephone and calling the people employed to help. Instead they'll spend lots of time writing panicky messages to internet discussion lists, when the best resources are right there waiting for them? use your phone! kim At 11:49 AM -0800 11/26/99, BByLng734@aol.com wrote: > Sorry to disappoint, but here is a mundanely on-topic post - I think a >sharing of leads to competent and punctual technicians/shops who repair EDPs >would be beneficial to the majority of the readership. My Echolplex is in >need of repair and I am reluctant to trust it to a general "tinkerer" in a >local shop. I would send it anywhere good work is known to be done on such >pieces. > I've referenced the LD archives, sent email to various Gibson/Oberheim >officers (to no effect) and even opened the box and checked the fuse (as the >single reply to my previous post suggested - thanks anyway, Travis) - >Unfortunately, none of these attempts has led me to a solution. > C'mon, folks - With the number of EDP users (including some >professionals) and even designers of the unit itself on this list, a very >useful pool of information could be collected. And little to no armchair >philosophizing is required. > Thanks - Rob Lang > (If responses are sent, I'd suggest a retitling of the thread (from my >joking title to something including "repair") to aid future reference) ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 18:24:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10908; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:24:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:24:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:19:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Effect as crutch Resent-Message-ID: <"c1qOR1.0.oP2.jLnFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Christopher: my humble page is found at http://www.pulsewidth.com Unfortunately I have dragged my feet concerning sound samples and there's no audio on there yet. Thanks for remembering me, Larry. Although I don't post too often, this "effects as a crutch" thread caught my interest, as you might imagine. I don't even like the word "effects"; to me it's all just electrons. Imagine sending a Vortex or a Boss VF-1 (comes to mind, since I just got one) through a time machine (I don't mean a Digitech) to Karlheinz Stockhausen circa 1950. He would have flipped--but do you think he would say, "man, now I can get a bitchin' guitar tone!"? I think that most folks see musical electronics as something to enhance their playing or color the sound of their instrument. But when I work, I almost feel myself in the world of the electron; it's more a question of "what is reality?" rather than "where is the right note?", etc. Electronic sound makes this other world available, and I've always found it endlessly fascinating. True, modern gear is developed with "popular" uses in mind--the VF-1 contains several presets with certain guitarists' names on them--but I think you have to look for what possibilities the boxes contain, irrespective of the manufacturer's intent. Listen to what Tod Docstader did with a jerryrigged test tone oscillator! In fact, the entire "classic (electronic) studio" of the 50's was nothing more than such items, things that were never meant to make music at all. That said, I must confess that lately I've been working with (gulp)--guitar! The convergence of vibrating string and electron flow has always drawn me. And it's an interesting work, trying to keep from "playing" the damned thing.... David Myers >what is the address? >---------- >>From: "L Tremblay" >>To: >>Subject: Re: Effect as crutch >>Date: Thu, Nov 25, 1999, 2:59 PM >> > >>Yes, actually you *can* use nothing more than a bunch of FX >>and a mixer as an instrument using feedback (ala David Meyers' >>Feedback Machines). Check out David's fantastic page (and pix of >>his machines). >> >>- Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 18:37:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13267; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:37:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:37:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: OT: begin of millenium. Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:46:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19991126202004.23071.qmail@unix01.voicenet.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"CH25A1.0.uv.FtmFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's right, what does it matter? What are we celebrating here? 2000 years of what? What does it matter that we have all this technology, all these Rights in our constitution? What does it matter that we have Echoplexi and electric guitars? Doesn't matter at all. Let's burn it all, destroy all the factories, pulverize the whole thing, let's go back to the stone age and live in caves, fight to keep a light on all the time. Let's all live in fear and superstition. Hey, I'll start by trashing my computer and my tele set, and my electric guitar, and my bass. Hey, why don't we raid the Soviet nuclear bombs and get it all over with. Why live at all? | -----Original Message----- | From: floyd@voicenet.com [mailto:floyd@voicenet.com] | Sent: Friday 26 November 1999 12:20 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: RE: OT: begin of millenium. | | | | Does it matter if there was a year zero? | | What is the origin that we are supposed to celebrate the fact that it | has been 2000 years since? That is probably arbitrary enough to make | whether or not that happened in year 1 or year 0 a moot point. | | Whatever the beginning of our current calendar was, I think the big news | is that we'll be flipping over 3 digits all at once. I still like to | watch the odometer in my car roll over at the major milestones. | | It's like watching for the wink of the LED on my EDP telling me that's | where the loop started :) | | - Floyd | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 18:47:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15112; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:47:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:47:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Cc: Subject: RE: EDP Repair Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:42:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"fnfG72.0.gS3.1hnFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've spoken to Mike Ayers on the repair topic several times and he recommends only two shops for repairs. The one I've used is ... Triple S 261 Broad Street Belleville, NJ 07003 (973)751-0481 The other one is one the West coast and I don't have any information on it. I had an EDP that has been at Triple S in New Jersey for over 4 months for repairs. This was the second time I had it in and they couldn't fix it this time. I know they have successfully repaired other EDP's, so they may be worth a try. I would give them a call. When I spoke to Mike several weeks ago, he said Gibson is ~not~ accepting EDP's for repairs. Mike Ayers said they are going to work with the people at Trace Elliot as to when they are going to start performing repairs, but it's not right now. Apparently, the "guy" that they had at Gibson who was the ace repairman left the company and they need to get someone trained. Unfortunately, your options are somewhat limited until they get back into production. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 5:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loops/Y2K/Leibniz/Zeno/Imhotep Sorry, I didn't have time to reply to you before, no need to get irritable. >From your previous post, I would say replace the fuse first, same as Travis suggested. Did you actually replace it, or did you just look at it? Sometimes fuses blow in ways that are hard to see, and you have to look pretty hard to tell if it burned through or not. Easy to just replace it, then make sure the replacement has not blown too. (some people have had trouble getting poor quality fuses at radio shack or whereever that blew immediately in the echoplex. You may want to go up a size if you go there.) If the fuse keeps blowing, there may really be a short or something, in which case you should have a tech look at it. did you try calling Mike Ayers at Gibson Customer service? His number is 800-777-0795 x382 or (615) 871-4500 x382. or his mail is mayers@gibson.com. Usually he is very responsive and can provide you with info on getting repairs done. In fact, if you contact any of the customer service people there they are usually quite responsive and go find the answer you need. They'll often go so far as to contact people like me with questions from users if they are not sure of the best answer. I think they do a pretty good job. (they might be on thanksgiving holiday today, though.) and honestly, I'm just amazed sometimes at how people forget the simple idea of picking up their telephone and calling the people employed to help. Instead they'll spend lots of time writing panicky messages to internet discussion lists, when the best resources are right there waiting for them? use your phone! kim At 11:49 AM -0800 11/26/99, BByLng734@aol.com wrote: > Sorry to disappoint, but here is a mundanely on-topic post - I think a >sharing of leads to competent and punctual technicians/shops who repair EDPs >would be beneficial to the majority of the readership. My Echolplex is in >need of repair and I am reluctant to trust it to a general "tinkerer" in a >local shop. I would send it anywhere good work is known to be done on such >pieces. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 19:30:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23603; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:30:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:30:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:24:20 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem In-reply-to: <383F0F0E.940145A1@virtulink.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"Dlt893.0.QU5.lJoFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 2:51 PM -0800 11/26/99, David Beardsley wrote: >Kim Flint wrote: > >> >the original "bucket brigade" analog delay chips are not available >> >any more, I wonder whether they made it digitally even. >> >> as I understand, this is why they have not produced a re-issue 16sec delay >> yet. The parts used in it are long gone. (a terrible danger with music gear >> that can last on the market years or decades, when the PC industry only >> needs the parts for 9 months.....) My guess is they are having a lot of >> trouble reproducing the quirks of it in currently available technologies. > >I wonder how close the Line 6 DL4 model of it is going to sound. >Hopefully I can try one this week. > huh? The line 6 DL4 doesn't have any eh-16 model! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 19:38:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25900; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:38:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:38:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383F26F3.25A17CDA@virtulink.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:33:55 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GpX651.0.M06.yQoFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > > At 2:51 PM -0800 11/26/99, David Beardsley wrote: > >Kim Flint wrote: > > > >> >the original "bucket brigade" analog delay chips are not available > >> >any more, I wonder whether they made it digitally even. > >> > >> as I understand, this is why they have not produced a re-issue 16sec delay > >> yet. The parts used in it are long gone. (a terrible danger with music gear > >> that can last on the market years or decades, when the PC industry only > >> needs the parts for 9 months.....) My guess is they are having a lot of > >> trouble reproducing the quirks of it in currently available technologies. > > > >I wonder how close the Line 6 DL4 model of it is going to sound. > >Hopefully I can try one this week. > > > > huh? The line 6 DL4 doesn't have any eh-16 model! Oops. A quick glance at the pdf manual I printed out from their web site shows the Deluxe Memory Man. My mistake. Duh. My memory's going and I'm almost 40. Help! -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 26 19:46:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27440; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:46:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:46:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:40:54 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: FA: TC Electronics G-Force & Digitech RDS8000 Time Machine Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"2ZVyM1.0.TS6.oYoFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've recently revamped my rig, so I've decided to clean house a bit and sell off the following: TC Electronics G-Force Effects Processor: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=208362637 Digitech RDS8000 Time Machine 8 sec Delay/Sample/Loop unit http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=208377125 -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 00:28:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18948; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 00:28:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 00:28:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:23:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jeffery Hildebrand X-Sender: jscotth@runner.ucdavis.edu To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: what are you talking about "burn it all"?!?!?!? and ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Bo4QT3.0.7E4.whsFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ... "and what the hell are we celebrating anyway???" ?????? the year 2000 signifies the future!!!!!!!!!!! because we will have hoverboards and be able to make a pizza in 2 seconds, kind of like back to the future 2. we will no longer be in the stone age of the present but the future imagined by writers and dreamers. (i'm not so excited about the fact that it's gonna be another year, but i am excited about the fact that the general public has this idea of the 21st century being sci-fi... which is cool, cause maybe it'll spark some innovation in technology, and create "futuristic" architecture. so rather than be poopy about the change in numbers on a calendar and be a smart ass and disappointed when you tell somebody that the new millenium doesn't really start until january 2001, why not just say, "hey by the way did you know that we've still got another year until the 'real' millenium starts?" ... in a "matter of fact manner" ... and then still have a good time and get drunk like the rest of us on new years eve. HOW BOUT IT? WHY THE HELL NOT. because you stubbed your fuckin toe? because you pay child support up the ass? like i said before; if i never celebrate new years after the "millenium party", that's fine because i don't really give a rat's ass, even about the "new millenium", cause it really means jack squat. but i'm going to have 2 parties, one for the fake one and one for the real one, even though neither one really means anything... except that there'll be billions of people having a good time. by the way does anybody in loopy land have a triton yet?) scott From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 00:28:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18962; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 00:28:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 00:28:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.4c3011da.2570c4dd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 00:23:41 EST Subject: Re: im tryin to stay with ya................ To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"SdBjK3.0.zO4.QisFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/26/99 4:55:57 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, matthias@grob.org writes: << then you still have no piece of the size that society consideres eatable ;-) >> perhaps polite society.............:)..............the older i get the less i know, its wonderful!...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 01:00:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27148; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 01:00:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 01:00:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.39223e92.2570cc76@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 00:56:06 EST Subject: Ground Control and JamMan Cry for HELP! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"F1XVn3.0.hY6.hAtFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Ground Control manual states that it "automatically filters redundant program changes when presets are recalled, to avoid audible glitches." This being the case...how do you TAP using MIDI Prog Chg #1? (I already tried assigning #1 to (2) switches just to see...). Also sucks that it can't remember MIDI channel settings after powering down (I think there is an upgrade from Bob Sellon that fixes this). Thanks for the help! John Painter flemingandjohn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 01:58:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04443; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 01:58:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 01:58:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.cdcc3d34.2570d988@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 01:51:52 EST Subject: mark......im a grandfather To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZzkKj2.0.Nt.5_tFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com perhaps, im not wise.......but i find reading the posts on the list, both on and off topic to be a nice enjoyable respite from practice, in fact yesterday, i came to the realization that i spend a considerable amount of time reading these missives in total silence with no music what-so-ever.......and i wondered why........what i think i came up with is the fact that i play so much and listen so hard that i need a break, music is becoming like "work" to me, it almost occupies my every moment (this is good, i think), but if all we talked about here was the inner workings of the edp, the wonders of the jam-man, the glory of the rang and God help me, midi-capability, i think i would go nuts...........yes, we do at times get carried away with silly stuff but i feel that we are self-policing enough not to get too out of hand and we have the ever watchfull kim to keep us in line.........also, the delete button is only one click away........i hate to say it, but in my "real" life there are not any "loopers" i can go to the pub with and the wit and goofy ideas sometimes expressed here are most welcome to me.........just tell me to shut-up and i will...........:)......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 02:17:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08097; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 02:17:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 02:17:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 01:14:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199911270714.BAA27027@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: EH-reissues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id CAA07149 Resent-Message-ID: <"Qgqdy.0.0m1.JJuFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what the Micro synth does better (at least for me) is to reproduce the souns made by old analog synths, such as the rolad SH series and others, in a limited but cool way. combined with a ´rang and some delay unit, you could very well imitate an old bass sequencer,some awesome analog sweeps by strumming all your guitar strings (if that´s what you play), and to make some bowed sounds. there have been some discusions about distorsion here as well, where some of the loopers use the MS to distort, cool as well :-) smaug. At 07:50 AM 26/11/99 -0800, you wrote: > >--dear list: what does the microsynth sound like ? would it be better than buying the waldorf filter if you are a sampler/synth user. How about for getting bass tones. I know the have a bass synth too. but what caant the" micro" do in this realm. > >On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:49:47 Tiktok World HQ wrote: >>I'd say $500-800 for a Microsynth is "absurd", $250-300 is "pricey". Based >>on this, I'd expect EH to sell a 16 reissue for in the ballpark of $600. >> >> >>TH >> >>---------- >>>From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >>>To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >>>Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #462 >>>Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999, 10:32 PM >>> >> >>> I don't know about this. the Microsynth was selling for $500-800 used >>> right before they brought out the reissue. While it's not 100% the same >>> it sells for $250+ new now which is very reasonable relatively speaking. >>> the 16 second delay now goes for over $1k all the time. A $250-300 price >>> tag would be fine by me if they do it. >> >> > > >-- >Join the most exciting community of women on the web! >iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, >your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, >and dozens of problem-solving tools. >http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 02:55:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14680; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 02:55:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 02:55:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991127075145.6830.rocketmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 23:51:45 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Stop! was:Re: im tryin to stay with ya(time) To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"nCFP32.0.SX3.jsuFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just for this, you are no longer invited to the "New Year's Eve Millennium Loop-Fest & Glenlivet Tasting". Too bad, as we will be giving away brand new Trace Elliot Echoplexii to all who attend. I hope your luck's better in the year 3000! John :) --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey, > > I know I'm the one that said we shouldn't try to > limit our topics too > much, but it's getting kind of ridiculous, with the > millennium crap and > blah, blah, blah. Don't you guys need time to > practice? It's getting > somewhat tiresome having to delete all these posts, > if I want witty > banter and small talk, I'll go down to the local > pub. (of course you're > all invited) but could we keep the posts at least a > bit music related? > > It's like my grandfather used to say, "Just because > you think it, > doesn't mean you have to say it." (actually, my > grandfather never said > anything at all like that, he's pretty dim, but it > sound better if you > think it's coming from some wise old man) > > -- > Mark Sottilaro > Multimedia Specialist > > mark@cdm.sfai.edu > (415) 771-7020 ext. 4411 > > Center For Digital Media > San Francisco Art Institute > 800 Chestnut St. > San Francisco, CA > 94133 > > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 03:15:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18162; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 03:15:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 03:15:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991127080700.8229.rocketmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 00:07:00 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: OT: begin of millenium. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"tevMs.0.f94.-4vFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- floyd@voicenet.com wrote: > > Does it matter if there was a year zero? > > What is the origin that we are supposed to celebrate > the fact that it > has been 2000 years since? That is probably > arbitrary enough to make > whether or not that happened in year 1 or year 0 a > moot point. OK, let me think......Oh man.....Brain-teaser!!!!..... Ugh,Ugh,Ugh,.....Christ! I don't know!!!!!! John@jesuswept.com ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 03:02:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16205; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 03:02:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 03:02:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: jcoker@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <383F900F.E166C4DA@jguru.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 01:02:23 -0700 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Kyma system at ebay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xtt-B3.0.nl3.8zuFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, after several years of looping w/ Kyma, I've decided to sell my system. The primary reason is that changes in my job are requring lots of travel. The Capybara is just a bit too heavy to drag along on every trip, so I've moved my looping efforts to Supercollider running on a powerbook (a non-trivial, and some what limiting task). I think Kyma is an ideal looper's box. Consider this: - Just over 9 minutes of sample time in the base unit; max single-delay time 3 min: there's 24MB of RAM for 24-bit samples for each of 3 DSP's (the 4th is used for housekeeping). (expandable to 24 chips, or 69 minutes of total looping) - Four channels of 24-bit Analog or AES/EBU/SPDIF (selectable) in and out, at rates up to 96Khz (ok, that reduces both delay time and processing). (expandable to 8 channels) - Direct recording to disk. - SMPTE sync (and others) - Zillions of processing algorithms for munging loops. Want long stereo loops? Quad loops? Extra processing? FX in the feedback path? Backward loops? Variable speed loop playback? All that can be done, and relatively easily --especially since I'll provide the buyer with a copy of my looping sounds (and other Kyma sounds). Oh, it's also pretty good at some non-looping tasks :) The listing is at ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=208656576 Also, if the buyer signs the software liscence agreement, they get the same level of support offered to new buyers: Top-notch phone and email support, upgrades, etc. Highly recommended-- it's like buying a new system w/ a hefty chunk off the entry fee. Also note that the system I'm selling offers both PCI inteface cards (for desktops) and the PC-card for laptops. Since Kyma does all its work in hardware, it consumes very little computer power. One could get Kyma + a decent laptop for the price of a 4000 series Eventide, or a top-level sampler, and neither is as flexible (other than not requiring a computer). Feel free to email me directly w/ questions. Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 04:16:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28875; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 04:16:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 04:16:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911270911.BAA16044@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 01:13:05 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP Repair From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NYGxt1.0.kr6.c1wFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, when I needed some work done on my EDP I got ahold of these guys in N. Hollywood at a place called MUSIC-TEK @ 818 506 4055. This was a coupla' years ago and by the way I ended up fixing my unit so I never used them, but they seemed eager to help.Anybody know about these guys?...STANNER ---------- >From: "Doug Lawrence" >To: >Subject: RE: EDP Repair >Date: Fri, Nov 26, 1999, 4:42 PM > > I've spoken to Mike Ayers on the repair topic several times and he > recommends only two shops for repairs. The one I've used is ... > > Triple S > 261 Broad Street > Belleville, NJ 07003 > (973)751-0481 > > The other one is one the West coast and I don't have any information on it. > I had an EDP that has been at Triple S in New Jersey for over 4 months for > repairs. This was the second time I had it in and they couldn't fix it this > time. I know they have successfully repaired other EDP's, so they may be > worth a try. I would give them a call. > > When I spoke to Mike several weeks ago, he said Gibson is ~not~ accepting > EDP's for repairs. Mike Ayers said they are going to work with the people at > Trace Elliot as to when they are going to start performing repairs, but it's > not right now. Apparently, the "guy" that they had at Gibson who was the ace > repairman left the company and they need to get someone trained. > Unfortunately, your options are somewhat limited until they get back into > production. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] > Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 5:48 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: loops/Y2K/Leibniz/Zeno/Imhotep > > Sorry, I didn't have time to reply to you before, no need to get irritable. >>From your previous post, I would say replace the fuse first, same as > Travis suggested. Did you actually replace it, or did you just look at it? > Sometimes fuses blow in ways that are hard to see, and you have to look > pretty hard to tell if it burned through or not. Easy to just replace it, > then make sure the replacement has not blown too. (some people have had > trouble getting poor quality fuses at radio shack or whereever that blew > immediately in the echoplex. You may want to go up a size if you go there.) > If the fuse keeps blowing, there may really be a short or something, in > which case you should have a tech look at it. > > did you try calling Mike Ayers at Gibson Customer service? His number is > 800-777-0795 x382 or (615) 871-4500 x382. or his mail is mayers@gibson.com. > Usually he is very responsive and can provide you with info on getting > repairs done. In fact, if you contact any of the customer service people > there they are usually quite responsive and go find the answer you need. > They'll often go so far as to contact people like me with questions from > users if they are not sure of the best answer. I think they do a pretty > good job. (they might be on thanksgiving holiday today, though.) > > and honestly, I'm just amazed sometimes at how people forget the simple > idea of picking up their telephone and calling the people employed to help. > Instead they'll spend lots of time writing panicky messages to internet > discussion lists, when the best resources are right there waiting for them? > use your phone! > > kim > > > At 11:49 AM -0800 11/26/99, BByLng734@aol.com wrote: >> Sorry to disappoint, but here is a mundanely on-topic post - I think a >>sharing of leads to competent and punctual technicians/shops who repair > EDPs >>would be beneficial to the majority of the readership. My Echolplex is in >>need of repair and I am reluctant to trust it to a general "tinkerer" in a >>local shop. I would send it anywhere good work is known to be done on such >>pieces. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 04:26:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30582; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 04:26:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 04:26:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009501bf38b9$019c7800$2dc1d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "X-ray" To: "Matthias Grob" , Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 03:22:56 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"0pO5C.0.iI7.ECwFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >the original "bucket brigade" analog delay chips are not available >any more, I wonder whether they made it digitally even. I've always wanted to know: what are "bucket brigade" components??? MicahH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 05:49:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10570; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 05:49:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 05:49:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Echoplex: Sound on Sound Activated X-Prerequisite-Blasphemy: Invert me under the stars Message-Id: <4.1.19991127034253.00b37f10@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 03:44:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem In-Reply-To: <009501bf38b9$019c7800$2dc1d6d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EzKs7.0.PP2.jPxFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On or around 03:22 AM 11/27/99 -0600, X-ray said: >I've always wanted to know: what are "bucket brigade" components??? Cheap chips dumped by the score by the Japanese chip makers back when Japan was still something American industry laughed at. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob ============================================================== http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 06:18:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15371; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 06:18:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 06:18:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <0.4e42664e.25711677@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 06:11:51 EST Subject: interesting article To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"ABS7z1.0.9R3.roxFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ran across this article by composer Ben Denckla that I though may be of interest: "The Musical Use of Audio Delay Devices: Some Thoughts for the Future and >From the Past" http://theremin.media.mit.edu/~bdenckla/misc/kronos_www/delay_paper.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 07:57:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30686; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 07:57:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 07:57:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991127075310.007af780@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 07:53:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: EDP Repair In-Reply-To: <199911270911.BAA16044@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"q5erw.0.OJ7.vHzFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's a great idea about posting a page on the site for regional aftermarket repair and support. The only problem that jumps right out at me is that it seems the status of these repair guys is in constant flux. The general flow of posts leads me to believe that either owners of ailing EDPs are getting different answers from these guys or they really don't want to be working on them... Such a list would be an extremely helpful resource, but would need to be constantly updated and monitored. It wouldn't have to be EDP-only, either; it could be a listing of generally looper-friendly techs and stompbox wizards. Any ideas? Tim >> At 11:49 AM -0800 11/26/99, BByLng734@aol.com wrote: >>> Sorry to disappoint, but here is a mundanely on-topic post - I think a >>>sharing of leads to competent and punctual technicians/shops who repair >> EDPs >>>would be beneficial to the majority of the readership. My Echolplex is in >>>need of repair and I am reluctant to trust it to a general "tinkerer" in a >>>local shop. I would send it anywhere good work is known to be done on such >>>pieces. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 08:00:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31092; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 08:00:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 08:00:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383FD4E4.2D62CE9B@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 06:56:04 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mark......im a grandfather References: <0.cdcc3d34.2570d988@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Nqd9n3.0.bU7.MKzFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well said michael. as annoying at times that some of theses posts may seem, they are ultimately a nice break for chat hardly found else where. i weather at times 100 messages a day from this line to find the gems and am always thankful i've done so. i also go through this mail more times than not in my own silence of the wee hours. i like to listen to the music submitted from this group when i happen across. loop on loop on loop on loop on loop on loop on loop on loop on loop on loop on loop on loop on loop on loop on jimmy george Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > perhaps, im not wise.......but i find reading the posts on the list, both on > and off topic to be a nice enjoyable respite from practice, in fact > yesterday, i came to the realization that i spend a considerable amount of > time reading these missives in total silence with no music > what-so-ever.......and i wondered why........what i think i came up with is > the fact that i play so much and listen so hard that i need a break, music is > becoming like "work" to me, it almost occupies my every moment (this is good, > i think), but if all we talked about here was the inner workings of the edp, > the wonders of the jam-man, the glory of the rang and God help me, > midi-capability, i think i would go nuts...........yes, we do at times get > carried away with silly stuff but i feel that we are self-policing enough not > to get too out of hand and we have the ever watchfull kim to keep us in > line.........also, the delete button is only one click away........i hate to > say it, but in my "real" life there are not any "loopers" i can go to the pub > with and the wit and goofy ideas sometimes expressed here are most welcome to > me.........just tell me to shut-up and i will...........:)......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 08:08:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00466; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 08:08:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 08:08:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <383FD6CF.ED0AF21@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 07:04:15 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kyma system at ebay References: <383F900F.E166C4DA@jguru.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------AE41CCDC00A06A74963FED48" Resent-Message-ID: <"FLCX_3.0.xq7.3SzFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------AE41CCDC00A06A74963FED48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cooooooooooooooooooool! jg Jim Coker wrote: > Yes, after several years of looping w/ Kyma, I've decided to > sell my system. The primary reason is that changes in my job > are requring lots of travel. The Capybara is just a bit too > heavy to drag along on every trip, so I've moved my looping > efforts to Supercollider running on a powerbook (a non-trivial, > and some what limiting task). > > I think Kyma is an ideal looper's box. Consider this: > - Just over 9 minutes of sample time in the base unit; > max single-delay time 3 min: there's 24MB of RAM for 24-bit > samples for each of 3 DSP's (the 4th is used for housekeeping). > (expandable to 24 chips, or 69 minutes of total looping) > - Four channels of 24-bit Analog or AES/EBU/SPDIF (selectable) > in and out, at rates up to 96Khz (ok, that reduces both > delay time and processing). > (expandable to 8 channels) > - Direct recording to disk. > - SMPTE sync (and others) > - Zillions of processing algorithms for munging loops. > > Want long stereo loops? Quad loops? Extra processing? > FX in the feedback path? Backward loops? Variable speed > loop playback? All that can be done, and relatively > easily --especially since I'll provide the buyer with > a copy of my looping sounds (and other Kyma sounds). > Oh, it's also pretty good at some non-looping tasks :) > > The listing is at ebay: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=208656576 > > Also, if the buyer signs the software liscence agreement, > they get the same level of support offered to new buyers: > Top-notch phone and email support, upgrades, etc. Highly > recommended-- it's like buying a new system w/ a hefty > chunk off the entry fee. Also note that the system I'm > selling offers both PCI inteface cards (for desktops) > and the PC-card for laptops. Since Kyma does all its work > in hardware, it consumes very little computer power. One > could get Kyma + a decent laptop for the price of a 4000 > series Eventide, or a top-level sampler, and neither is > as flexible (other than not requiring a computer). > > Feel free to email me directly w/ questions. > > Jim --------------AE41CCDC00A06A74963FED48 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cooooooooooooooooooool!

jg

Jim Coker wrote:

Yes, after several years of looping w/ Kyma, I've decided to
sell my system.  The primary reason is that changes in my job
are requring lots of travel. The Capybara is just a bit too
heavy to drag along on every trip, so I've moved my looping
efforts to Supercollider running on a powerbook (a non-trivial,
and some what limiting task).

I think Kyma is an ideal looper's box. Consider this:
- Just over 9 minutes of sample time in the base unit;
max single-delay time 3 min: there's 24MB of RAM for 24-bit
samples for each of 3 DSP's (the 4th is used for housekeeping).
(expandable to 24 chips, or 69 minutes of total looping)
- Four channels of 24-bit Analog or AES/EBU/SPDIF (selectable)
in and out, at rates up to 96Khz (ok, that reduces both
delay time and processing).
(expandable to 8 channels)
- Direct recording to disk.
- SMPTE sync (and others)
- Zillions of processing algorithms for munging loops.

Want long stereo loops? Quad loops? Extra processing?
FX in the feedback path? Backward loops? Variable speed
loop playback?  All that can be done, and relatively
easily --especially since I'll provide the buyer with
a copy of my looping sounds (and other Kyma sounds).
Oh, it's also pretty good at some non-looping tasks :)

The listing is at ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=208656576

Also, if the buyer signs the software liscence agreement,
they get the same level of support offered to new buyers:
Top-notch phone and email support, upgrades, etc. Highly
recommended-- it's like buying a new system w/ a hefty
chunk off the entry fee. Also note that the system I'm
selling offers both PCI inteface cards (for desktops)
and the PC-card for laptops.  Since Kyma does all its work
in hardware, it consumes very little computer power. One
could get Kyma + a decent laptop for the price of a 4000
series Eventide, or a top-level sampler, and neither is
as flexible (other than not requiring a computer).

Feel free to email me directly w/ questions.

Jim

--------------AE41CCDC00A06A74963FED48-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 08:56:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08997; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 08:56:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 08:56:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911261442.JAA23676@emh1.pa.net> References: <383D3DAF.F4B52B61@jimmygeorgearts.com> <383D3DAF.F4B52B61@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 09:36:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Effect as crutch Resent-Message-ID: <"OaNwV2.0.OX1.iyzFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 11/26/99 rob Switzer wrote: > >>From reading the discourse on 'effects as crutch' it seems to me that there >are (at least) two major takes on this. The first is that music is >something apart from sound -- sound is something you 'do to' music after >the fact. Along with this, 'effects' are something apart from a musical >instrument, added after the fact. > >The second take -- and the one I support -- is that music and sound are all >of a piece, and everything you use to make sound/music constitutes a >musical instrument. Many stompboxes, fx, software packages, or what have >you are strong and expressive musical instruments in their own right. > >Saying that an artist's use of effects constitutes a 'crutch' may just be >another way of saying that an artist has a sonic/concrete focus where >timbre and texture are dominant rather than pitch and duration. > >Not a thing wrong with that, IMHO -- in fact, adopting a sonic focus is a >choice that has only recently become available for the majority of >musicians, and offers considerably more unexplored territory to plumb. > >rob This is very well said. The last couple years has seen my approach to music shifting from a very intensive practice regimen to keep up an acoustic guitar technique to the technology driven music that we do in FingerPaint. I spent considerable time delving into the innards of various synths to learn them and create my own sounds. Effects were generally addded on the fly. Tweaking presets with the occasional save. I have studied my synths, made numerous experiments with my mixer, delved into the jam man and the Echoplex. The last two months has seen me really devote time to understanding my effects boxes. I am fortunate to have two high end processors, an Eventide H3000 D/SE and a recently acquired TC Fireworx. Both of these units are very deep and offer much to the dedicated explorer. Thank God for my day job that allows me these units. I have spent hours with the manuals and " listening" to the outcomes of making changes to the parameters in these boxes. I feel as if I am developing my "voice" for the next round of sonic investigation. At times this gets tedious and seems to be offering up nothing and then I let the loops roll and return to this study later. As far as I am concerned in the making of music everything is an instrument. My guitar (or whatever controller I am using, my mixer(( which I could not looping without)), my synths, and my effects. And let us not forget the other instrument. Our bodies! Ever notice the difference in your sound when your relxed versus tense? Or the direction your improvs take when your angry versus sad? Keep making music! Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 08:56:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09009; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 08:56:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 08:56:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.39223e92.2570cc76@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 09:36:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Ground Control and JamMan Cry for HELP! Resent-Message-ID: <"Lr4YN3.0.uW1.dyzFu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 11/26/99 John fleming wrote: >Also sucks that it can't remember MIDI channel settings after powering down >(I think there is an upgrade from Bob Sellon that fixes this). No one can help you with this one John. I wrote to Lexicon very early when they still stocked nd advertised the jam man. All of the memory in the jam man is volatile so you HAVE to set the channel each time. I just view it as part of "The Ritual" of powering up my rack. Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 10:19:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23620; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:19:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:19:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911271514.HAA06499@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 09:14:13 -0600 Subject: Re:EH MS/Boss GT-3 From: "Tiktok World HQ" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id KAA22472 Resent-Message-ID: <"41hV52.0.MV5.gL_Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't want anyone to think that I'm getting kickback from Roland, but the GT-3 gives you all sorts of filter-happy bass synth sounds from your guitar, plus you can tie it to MIDI clock or tap tempo. And it's a fully functional pre-amp to boot. It doesn't have the vintage "mojo", but I still think that it's got the highest price/performance ratio of anything under a grand. Anyone looking for wacko analog synth sounds from their guitar should trot down to their Roland dealer and check out presets: 73-1 (Synth Bass) 73-2 (Saw Lead) 73-3 (Square Lead) 73-4 (Gtsyn Brass) 72-2 (Reso Lead) 72-3 (Strings) 72-4 (Square Bass) 32-4 (Human Gate) 71-3 (Gate Synth) 71-4 (Synth+GT) 74-1 (Ring Trip) 74-2 (Ethnic Bell) 74-3 (Ring Echo) 77-4 (Phaser SFX) 82-3 (Trip Phase) The expression pedal and option pedal add to the fun in almost all cases. Oh yeah, it also does a host of fake amplified-acoustic sounds (banks 84 and 85). And it has a tuner. $400 new. TH > > what the Micro synth does better (at least for me) is to reproduce the > souns made by old analog synths, such as the rolad SH series and others, in > a limited but cool way. > > combined with a ´rang and some delay unit, you could very well imitate an > old bass sequencer,some awesome analog sweeps by strumming all your guitar > strings (if that´s what you play), and to make some bowed sounds. > > there have been some discusions about distorsion here as well, where some > of the loopers use the MS to distort, cool as well :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 10:25:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24834; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:25:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:25:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <0.e83c340a.257150d9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:20:57 EST Subject: Re: hello To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"VS1oy1.0.Sy5.KS_Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Renaldo, Not sure if someone has already answered the Boomerang portion of your post, but, here it goes, ... yes, the new features are going to be a SIPP swap out. In otherwords, you'll purchase your 2 / 4 minute Boomerang and then you'll put down $79.00 for the upgraded SIPP, and have to apply just a little elbow grease and you'll be all set. Looks like it'll be an issue wherein the pedals on the Boomerang are going to become multifunction. Don't know on the Echoplex question, though I am hoping that whoever it is that is going to be running this one, is going to do so relatively soon and that they'll be upgrading their QA department as well. Sounds like the floating screws, and a few non soldered IC's was a common problem for the old one. The other issue, I'm hoping that they'll be upgrading on the newer units (hopefully Boomerang will do the same thing) is that they'll go to SDRAM SIMM's rather than staying with noisier, slower SIPP's and 32-pin SIMM's. Then again, by the time such an upgrade would take place the long awaited 1-GB SIPP of Mitsumi would be both available for the public and be sold at the prices which they were quoting us some 2 years ago. Pardon the tangent on this one! Kim might be able to give you better info on the Trace Elliot marketing the Echoplex in the UK portion of your questions. All in all, have fun and back to the Great Loop in the Sky... Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 10:38:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27449; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:38:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:38:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <0.eaa85ebf.25715328@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:30:48 EST Subject: Re: One EDP for two players To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"Z2-GR1.0.GJ6.Zb_Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fabio, Not sure if someone has already given you this answer, but here it goes, ... try this out, try using a set of A/B switches for the audio inputs to the Echoplex, this might give you a little more control over what is going on with the unit and also would allow for you to do a few samples of the other person's playing while they are able to concentrate a bit more on their playing, and then you'd be able to designate the beginning and end of that specific loop or help him/her out with generating multiple loops. Another way of doing this would be to use a smaller PA Board and mix into the echoplex the same way as using the A/B switches method. It would end up taking a little more time between setting up loops and then playing them/activating them, but it would still be quite do-able. The added benefit would be to use a few other effects in line with this smaller PA board in order to make the transitions a bit more continuous sounding. Played with a gent that did this with his Boomerang, prior to my getting one, and it had some really interesting results. Either way, you'll want to use a volume pedal right after either the PA board or the A/B switch in order to blend in the sounds. Hope this helps out. Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 11:01:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32014; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:01:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:01:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6cb06542.25715921@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:56:17 EST Subject: Re: Off topic: CD recorders To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"N9BbA3.0.sZ7.Tz_Fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/22/99 5:13:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, myoder@tamiu.edu writes: << >> Michael, Hey man, I've played with a few of the Marantz models and have to say that they are very nice. As for editing header information, I can only say that you're slightly better off going to either a computer based unit, recommend going to Plextor's CD-R and RW units. I know that with the Marantz equipment, it tended to do quite nicely in either duplicating an audio CD, or just taking a few tracks at a time... Did notice that you do loose a few seconds when you do it in this method, but it is better than using a DAT. Again, I recommend getting the audio ready prior to burn. Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 11:12:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01781; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:12:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:12:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009501bf38b9$019c7800$2dc1d6d1@oemcomputer> References: <009501bf38b9$019c7800$2dc1d6d1@oemcomputer> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 14:08:35 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"dc3IG1.0.-J.G80Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I've always wanted to know: what are "bucket brigade" components??? they transfer charge from one capacitor (bucket) to the next at each clock. So its a clocked delay of analog samples. A analog FIFO memory (means the old samples come out as the new ones go in, no way to reread the same loop or jump arround in it). And they are noisy and expensive. I think the biggest chips had 4000 buckets which corresponds to 4kByte of digital sound memory (because you can only hold 2000 samples in 4000 buckets, since you need to transfer from a full to an empty bucket, but a digital sample takes 2 Bytes = 16bit). ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 13:04:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24074; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:04:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:04:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911271759.MAA22853@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 22:00:11 +0530 Subject: Korg's new 160 second delay ! From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4hd-u2.0.Sb5.zl1Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gotyourattentiondidn'ti? Originally scheduled to be released in October, I don't know when it'll be out now : Korg OASYS PCI http://www.korg.com/oasyspci.htm -------------------------- "Additional new effects include tempo delays, modulation via MIDI-sync'd LFOs and analog-style sequencers, envelope and LFO-swept filters, new high-quality analog EQ and reverb algorithms, an awesome 160 second maximum delay time, and more." "...four- and six-tap multitap chorus/delays..." "High-Quality MIDI-Synced Tempo Delays: A variety of recent synths and effects include MIDI-synced delays. With some of them, however, you might have noticed a telltale clicking when the tempo changes - or even when it's supposed to be completely steady! * In contrast, the OASYS PCI's MIDI-synced tempo delays are smooth, responsive, and click-free. They also offer delay times up to 40 seconds (and you can use up to four of these at once!), fine adjust of synced delay times to create "swing" rhythms, individual high and low cut filters per tap, and more." --------------------------- Promisingly awesome. -drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 13:19:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27047; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:19:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:19:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:12:24 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: interesting article X-Sender-Ip: 207.44.83.219 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9bUzf1.0.NE6.6z1Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i cant seem to get the link to work. what search terms coul i use to find it myself. -- On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 06:11:51 PMimlitsch wrote: >Ran across this article by composer Ben Denckla that I though may be of >interest: > >"The Musical Use of Audio Delay Devices: Some Thoughts for the Future and >From the Past" > >http://theremin.media.mit.edu/~bdenckla/misc/kronos_www/delay_paper.html > > -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 13:34:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30190; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:34:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:34:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.2fec1676.25717ce2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:28:50 EST Subject: Ground Control JamMan PS.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZMlo51.0.l57.TC2Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have V. 1.00 software on my Ground Control....Could be the problem John Painter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 13:46:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32374; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:46:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:46:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009301bf3907$62021080$2b4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: another millenium argument Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:44:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"iL0zC3.0.df7.zN2Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you have a better idea than Capitalism I'd like to hear it. I'm no fan of McDeath burgers, but don't blame capitalism. The alternative is waiting in long lines for loaves of bread or dying in a Socialist/Communist government-induced famine. - Larry >You are absolutely right .There are much better alternatives (for children >as well) than eating a poisonous Big Mac in capitalist world kingdom Mc >Donalds.I am also an outsider! > > >> >I think Greg is speaking from cultural conditioning. There is a great >deal >> >of tortured and misshapen arguments and notions in the US. Starting from >> >thinking that it's cool to use gallons instead of liters, miles instead >of >> >kilometers, and that everybody in the Universe speaks English (Star >Trek). >> >Same old argument, what's real? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 14:15:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05545; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 14:15:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 14:15:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: EDP Repair/Midi Mouse Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:11:21 -0800 Message-ID: <004201bf390b$30f74c40$f9358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <199911270911.BAA16044@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"exLiK.0.U21.So2Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I live in LA and almost sent my unit to them- I had been having a strange loop degeneration problem and they made quite a few suggestions but certainly did not seem eager to have me bring it in- I was a bit perturbed by their attitude and having seen their shop was slightly concerned- very messy- but now we all know we should not judge books by their covers-they have been in buisness a long time and might be awesome but I have little experience there- I really can't say how competent they are- but they did save my old Tascam Porta One once b/c they had a replacement drive belt in stock! Wheeee! ;)They are located at 12041 Burbank Blvd. N. Hollywood, Ca (818)-506-8742. ==Anyone here use a Tech 21 Midi Mouse? I would like to experiment with midi control of my Jam Man but I don't want to spend much money- Tech makes good stuff and the midi mouse is pretty inexpensive- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 12:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP Repair Hey, when I needed some work done on my EDP I got ahold of these guys in N. Hollywood at a place called MUSIC-TEK @ 818 506 4055. This was a coupla' years ago and by the way I ended up fixing my unit so I never used them, but they seemed eager to help.Anybody know about these guys?...STANNER ---------- >From: "Doug Lawrence" >To: >Subject: RE: EDP Repair >Date: Fri, Nov 26, 1999, 4:42 PM > > I've spoken to Mike Ayers on the repair topic several times and he > recommends only two shops for repairs. The one I've used is ... > > Triple S > 261 Broad Street > Belleville, NJ 07003 > (973)751-0481 > > The other one is one the West coast and I don't have any information on it. > I had an EDP that has been at Triple S in New Jersey for over 4 months for > repairs. This was the second time I had it in and they couldn't fix it this > time. I know they have successfully repaired other EDP's, so they may be > worth a try. I would give them a call. > > When I spoke to Mike several weeks ago, he said Gibson is ~not~ accepting > EDP's for repairs. Mike Ayers said they are going to work with the people at > Trace Elliot as to when they are going to start performing repairs, but it's > not right now. Apparently, the "guy" that they had at Gibson who was the ace > repairman left the company and they need to get someone trained. > Unfortunately, your options are somewhat limited until they get back into > production. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] > Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 5:48 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: loops/Y2K/Leibniz/Zeno/Imhotep > > Sorry, I didn't have time to reply to you before, no need to get irritable. >>From your previous post, I would say replace the fuse first, same as > Travis suggested. Did you actually replace it, or did you just look at it? > Sometimes fuses blow in ways that are hard to see, and you have to look > pretty hard to tell if it burned through or not. Easy to just replace it, > then make sure the replacement has not blown too. (some people have had > trouble getting poor quality fuses at radio shack or whereever that blew > immediately in the echoplex. You may want to go up a size if you go there.) > If the fuse keeps blowing, there may really be a short or something, in > which case you should have a tech look at it. > > did you try calling Mike Ayers at Gibson Customer service? His number is > 800-777-0795 x382 or (615) 871-4500 x382. or his mail is mayers@gibson.com. > Usually he is very responsive and can provide you with info on getting > repairs done. In fact, if you contact any of the customer service people > there they are usually quite responsive and go find the answer you need. > They'll often go so far as to contact people like me with questions from > users if they are not sure of the best answer. I think they do a pretty > good job. (they might be on thanksgiving holiday today, though.) > > and honestly, I'm just amazed sometimes at how people forget the simple > idea of picking up their telephone and calling the people employed to help. > Instead they'll spend lots of time writing panicky messages to internet > discussion lists, when the best resources are right there waiting for them? > use your phone! > > kim > > > At 11:49 AM -0800 11/26/99, BByLng734@aol.com wrote: >> Sorry to disappoint, but here is a mundanely on-topic post - I think a >>sharing of leads to competent and punctual technicians/shops who repair > EDPs >>would be beneficial to the majority of the readership. My Echolplex is in >>need of repair and I am reluctant to trust it to a general "tinkerer" in a >>local shop. I would send it anywhere good work is known to be done on such >>pieces. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 14:47:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11949; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 14:47:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 14:47:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: another millenium argument Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:39:43 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <009301bf3907$62021080$2b4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"xu2DE1.0.ug2.bH3Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For a very authoritative opinion of the failure of the capitalist system, you would like to check these books out: *When Corporations Rule the World* by David C. Korten *The Post-Corporate World: Life After Capitalism* by David C. Korten *Globalizing Civil Society: Reclaiming Our Right to Power (Open Media Pamphlet Series, 4)* by David C. Korten You might also like to check this out: *Corporate Media and the Threat to Democracy (Open Media Pamphlet Series)* by Robert W. McChesney You can pick them up at Amazon or BuyBooks.com. Bottom line: You are a better idea than capitalism. But only if you wake up in time. | -----Original Message----- | From: L Tremblay [mailto:ltct@concentric.net] | Sent: Saturday 27 November 1999 10:44 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: another millenium argument | | | If you have a better idea than Capitalism I'd like to hear it. | I'm no fan of McDeath burgers, but don't blame capitalism. | The alternative is waiting in long lines for loaves of bread | or dying in a Socialist/Communist government-induced famine. | | - Larry | | | >You are absolutely right .There are much better alternatives | (for children | >as well) than eating a poisonous Big Mac in capitalist world kingdom Mc | >Donalds.I am also an outsider! | > | > | >> >I think Greg is speaking from cultural conditioning. There | is a great | >deal | >> >of tortured and misshapen arguments and notions in the US. Starting | from | >> >thinking that it's cool to use gallons instead of liters, | miles instead | >of | >> >kilometers, and that everybody in the Universe speaks English (Star | >Trek). | >> >Same old argument, what's real? | > | > | > | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 15:10:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16188; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:10:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:10:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38403AD0.BAC4ADAC@engin.umich.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:11:07 -0500 From: Darcy Clark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Kyma questions References: <383F900F.E166C4DA@jguru.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GjdNE3.0.oj3.nc3Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 1. can the Kyma be rackmounted ? 2. can any Kyma users compare the useability and stability of Kyma to Opcode Max or the new jMax (http://www.ircam.fr/equipes/temps-reel/jmax/) ? thanks, Darcy Jim Coker wrote: > > Yes, after several years of looping w/ Kyma, I've decided to > sell my system. The primary reason is that changes in my job > are requring lots of travel. The Capybara is just a bit too > heavy to drag along on every trip, so I've moved my looping > efforts to Supercollider running on a powerbook (a non-trivial, > and some what limiting task). > > I think Kyma is an ideal looper's box. Consider this: > - Just over 9 minutes of sample time in the base unit; > max single-delay time 3 min: there's 24MB of RAM for 24-bit > samples for each of 3 DSP's (the 4th is used for housekeeping). > (expandable to 24 chips, or 69 minutes of total looping) > - Four channels of 24-bit Analog or AES/EBU/SPDIF (selectable) > in and out, at rates up to 96Khz (ok, that reduces both > delay time and processing). > (expandable to 8 channels) > - Direct recording to disk. > - SMPTE sync (and others) > - Zillions of processing algorithms for munging loops. > > Want long stereo loops? Quad loops? Extra processing? > FX in the feedback path? Backward loops? Variable speed > loop playback? All that can be done, and relatively > easily --especially since I'll provide the buyer with > a copy of my looping sounds (and other Kyma sounds). > Oh, it's also pretty good at some non-looping tasks :) > > The listing is at ebay: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=208656576 > > Also, if the buyer signs the software liscence agreement, > they get the same level of support offered to new buyers: > Top-notch phone and email support, upgrades, etc. Highly > recommended-- it's like buying a new system w/ a hefty > chunk off the entry fee. Also note that the system I'm > selling offers both PCI inteface cards (for desktops) > and the PC-card for laptops. Since Kyma does all its work > in hardware, it consumes very little computer power. One > could get Kyma + a decent laptop for the price of a 4000 > series Eventide, or a top-level sampler, and neither is > as flexible (other than not requiring a computer). > > Feel free to email me directly w/ questions. > > Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 15:43:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22230; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:43:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:43:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000501bf3916$c5c2b980$49cf08cf@donaldpancoe> From: "Don \"Mango\" Pancoe" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: begin of millenium. Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 01:31:23 -0500 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"YUAfI2.0.hJ5.Q64Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob > Why should he not talk about people in the same phase, exactly 1000 > years ago? They might even have crashed the heads of some that said > that the millenium started at 1.1.1000... Since this seems like a well-read group, I will recomend Steven J. Gould's book "Contemplating the Millenium" as an excelent discourse on the topic. We can also read it in private, and take this thread off the list, since it seems to be keeping company with guitar string threads of late. But as a synopsis: Gould points out that there are so many errors in calculating which year it is (as I said earlier, we are as much as 16 years behind by some accounts,) the difference between 2000 and 2001 is moot. Therefore, he feels that we should celebrate the new millenium when we want to, and he plans to celebrate in 2000 because that's when most of the other people will be doing it. He also points out that in 1799 and 1899, for example, the masses were all ready to celebrate the new century in 1800 and 1900 respectively, but the inteligencia and general powers-that-be forced them into submission, and celebrations were held in 1801 and 1901 to be mathematically correct. In contrast, Gould feels that the public's acceptance, or even their demand, that we should celebrate the millenium in 2000, indicates a fundamental power shift in modern society. Of course, he explains this far more eloquently than I can on the internet late at night after a hard day of fixing the new house... -- Mango -- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 15:56:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25049; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:56:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:56:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38402EEE.FCB23E07@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 14:20:14 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: another millenium argument References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6GA112.0.Pu5.tI4Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com after you have read those read *Atlas Shrugged* by Ayn Rand. jd "Javier Miranda V." wrote: > For a very authoritative opinion of the failure of the capitalist system, > you would like to check these books out: > *When Corporations Rule the World* by David C. Korten > *The Post-Corporate World: Life After Capitalism* by David C. Korten > *Globalizing Civil Society: Reclaiming Our Right to Power (Open Media > Pamphlet Series, 4)* by David C. Korten > You might also like to check this out: > *Corporate Media and the Threat to Democracy (Open Media Pamphlet Series)* > by Robert W. McChesney > You can pick them up at Amazon or BuyBooks.com. > Bottom line: You are a better idea than capitalism. But only if you wake > up in time. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: L Tremblay [mailto:ltct@concentric.net] > | Sent: Saturday 27 November 1999 10:44 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: another millenium argument > | > | > | If you have a better idea than Capitalism I'd like to hear it. > | I'm no fan of McDeath burgers, but don't blame capitalism. > | The alternative is waiting in long lines for loaves of bread > | or dying in a Socialist/Communist government-induced famine. > | > | - Larry > | > | > | >You are absolutely right .There are much better alternatives > | (for children > | >as well) than eating a poisonous Big Mac in capitalist world kingdom Mc > | >Donalds.I am also an outsider! > | > > | > > | >> >I think Greg is speaking from cultural conditioning. There > | is a great > | >deal > | >> >of tortured and misshapen arguments and notions in the US. Starting > | from > | >> >thinking that it's cool to use gallons instead of liters, > | miles instead > | >of > | >> >kilometers, and that everybody in the Universe speaks English (Star > | >Trek). > | >> >Same old argument, what's real? > | > > | > > | > > | > | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 15:50:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23837; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:50:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:50:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <0.9fe81f0c.25719bc7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:40:39 EST Subject: Re: effects as crutch To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"ryLhZ3.0.4Q5.D94Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/26/99 3:38:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: << Well said sir, I'm taking a risk here with this particular group, and opening myself up for ridicule because I haven't followed this thread entirely but, I think that Hendrix, were he alive today, would have much to say on this subject, and remove doubt from the minds of any "plug in and play purist" naysayers. >> Just as I think it's unfair to assume those that use lots of effects are using them as crutches, be careful not to assume the opposite is true either: those that "plug in and play" are not necessarily purists, naysayers or conservatives Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 16:23:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30357; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:23:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:23:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991127211849.2763.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.82] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: another millenium argument Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:18:49 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Z-Cyx.0.2D7.nh4Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Will I be a better looper if I read these books? >From: "Javier Miranda V." >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: RE: another millenium argument >Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:39:43 -0800 > > For a very authoritative opinion of the failure of the capitalist system, >you would like to check these books out: >*When Corporations Rule the World* by David C. Korten >*The Post-Corporate World: Life After Capitalism* by David C. Korten >*Globalizing Civil Society: Reclaiming Our Right to Power (Open Media >Pamphlet Series, 4)* by David C. Korten > You might also like to check this out: >*Corporate Media and the Threat to Democracy (Open Media Pamphlet Series)* >by Robert W. McChesney > You can pick them up at Amazon or BuyBooks.com. > Bottom line: You are a better idea than capitalism. But only if you wake >up in time. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: L Tremblay [mailto:ltct@concentric.net] > | Sent: Saturday 27 November 1999 10:44 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: another millenium argument > | > | > | If you have a better idea than Capitalism I'd like to hear it. > | I'm no fan of McDeath burgers, but don't blame capitalism. > | The alternative is waiting in long lines for loaves of bread > | or dying in a Socialist/Communist government-induced famine. > | > | - Larry > | > | > | >You are absolutely right .There are much better alternatives > | (for children > | >as well) than eating a poisonous Big Mac in capitalist world kingdom >Mc > | >Donalds.I am also an outsider! > | > > | > > | >> >I think Greg is speaking from cultural conditioning. There > | is a great > | >deal > | >> >of tortured and misshapen arguments and notions in the US. >Starting > | from > | >> >thinking that it's cool to use gallons instead of liters, > | miles instead > | >of > | >> >kilometers, and that everybody in the Universe speaks English >(Star > | >Trek). > | >> >Same old argument, what's real? > | > > | > > | > > | > | > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 16:48:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02988; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:48:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:48:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <000e01bf3921$a7c25ca0$dc3220d1@stav.tyrell.net> From: "S. Glitsos" To: Subject: Re: another millenium argument Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:52:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y6pGA3.0.4X.w35Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Keeping in mind that Ayn Rand's ideas regarding capitalism wouldn't work for the same reason that socialism wouldn't -- HUMANS. stavros -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, November 27, 1999 3:14 PM Subject: Re: another millenium argument >after you have read those read *Atlas Shrugged* by Ayn Rand. > >jd > >"Javier Miranda V." wrote: > >> For a very authoritative opinion of the failure of the capitalist system, >> you would like to check these books out: >> *When Corporations Rule the World* by David C. Korten >> *The Post-Corporate World: Life After Capitalism* by David C. Korten >> *Globalizing Civil Society: Reclaiming Our Right to Power (Open Media >> Pamphlet Series, 4)* by David C. Korten >> You might also like to check this out: >> *Corporate Media and the Threat to Democracy (Open Media Pamphlet Series)* >> by Robert W. McChesney >> You can pick them up at Amazon or BuyBooks.com. >> Bottom line: You are a better idea than capitalism. But only if you wake >> up in time. >> >> | -----Original Message----- >> | From: L Tremblay [mailto:ltct@concentric.net] >> | Sent: Saturday 27 November 1999 10:44 AM >> | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> | Subject: Re: another millenium argument >> | >> | >> | If you have a better idea than Capitalism I'd like to hear it. >> | I'm no fan of McDeath burgers, but don't blame capitalism. >> | The alternative is waiting in long lines for loaves of bread >> | or dying in a Socialist/Communist government-induced famine. >> | >> | - Larry >> | >> | >> | >You are absolutely right .There are much better alternatives >> | (for children >> | >as well) than eating a poisonous Big Mac in capitalist world kingdom Mc >> | >Donalds.I am also an outsider! >> | > >> | > >> | >> >I think Greg is speaking from cultural conditioning. There >> | is a great >> | >deal >> | >> >of tortured and misshapen arguments and notions in the US. Starting >> | from >> | >> >thinking that it's cool to use gallons instead of liters, >> | miles instead >> | >of >> | >> >kilometers, and that everybody in the Universe speaks English (Star >> | >Trek). >> | >> >Same old argument, what's real? >> | > >> | > >> | > >> | >> | > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 16:50:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03159; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:50:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:50:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38407BF5.CDDA9D2A@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:49:03 -0800 From: Darrell Jones Reply-To: djones01@columbus.rr.com Organization: Intra Sites X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex on EBAY 15 min's left! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Fw9tQ2.0.Ti.265Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Echoplex on EBAY 15 min's left! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 20:02:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09869; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:02:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:02:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: jcoker@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <38407EE0.4D67C4BD@jguru.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 18:01:20 -0700 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kyma questions References: <383F900F.E166C4DA@jguru.com> <38403AD0.BAC4ADAC@engin.umich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3-6g33.0.t62.4u7Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Darcy Clark wrote: > > 1. can the Kyma be rackmounted ? Yup, this unit already has rack ears (most units do not) > 2. can any Kyma users compare the useability and stability of Kyma to > Opcode Max or the new jMax > (http://www.ircam.fr/equipes/temps-reel/jmax/) ? I've used Max (up to version 3.5.X) quite a bit. I've also looked a bit at jMax, but haven't tried to run it. The primary downside of jMax is configuration and support. Unless you dole out quite a bit of francs to IRCAM, you don't get any help with either (though, amusingly enough, you can get the src code). I consider jMax to be a work in progress. It has some very fancy algorithms, but nothing that Kyma doesn't have (that I know of). Also, you have to use Linux or SGI unix w/ jMax. Max and Max/MSP are reasonably nice, but I've always found Max to be a pain in the ass to program-- *everything* in Max has to be done graphically, which gets to be very tedious. MSP isn't terribly efficient, even on a fast G4 (you can get stats on the cycling74 website. Finally, although you can run MSP on a laptop, I/O options for laptops aren't that great. This is a distinct advantage for Kyma -- the external hardware means that you get very low latency (down to 3 ms), excellent sound quality (better than 100db S/N), and lots of processing power w/o stressing your computer at all. You can tune some soundcards for very low latency, but you generally pay for it (sometimes dearly) in processing power. As far as stability goes, I have had ocassional bugs in the editing software (minor UI bugs), but haven't ever had a running program crash on the capybara -- except for when I was writing my own buggy 56K DSP code. Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 20:56:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20086; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:56:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:56:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004a01bf3943$afa76b00$594badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: another millenium argument Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:55:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"_nkqy1.0.2i4.di8Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's works for the very reason that it is based on the HUMAN mode of survival - using one's mind. LT -----Original Message----- From: S. Glitsos To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, November 27, 1999 5:04 PM Subject: Re: another millenium argument >Keeping in mind that Ayn Rand's ideas regarding capitalism wouldn't work for >the same reason that socialism wouldn't -- HUMANS. > >stavros > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Duke >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Saturday, November 27, 1999 3:14 PM >Subject: Re: another millenium argument > > >>after you have read those read *Atlas Shrugged* by Ayn Rand. >> >>jd >> >>"Javier Miranda V." wrote: >> >>> For a very authoritative opinion of the failure of the capitalist >system, >>> you would like to check these books out: >>> *When Corporations Rule the World* by David C. Korten >>> *The Post-Corporate World: Life After Capitalism* by David C. Korten >>> *Globalizing Civil Society: Reclaiming Our Right to Power (Open Media >>> Pamphlet Series, 4)* by David C. Korten >>> You might also like to check this out: >>> *Corporate Media and the Threat to Democracy (Open Media Pamphlet >Series)* >>> by Robert W. McChesney >>> You can pick them up at Amazon or BuyBooks.com. >>> Bottom line: You are a better idea than capitalism. But only if >you wake >>> up in time. >>> >>> | -----Original Message----- >>> | From: L Tremblay [mailto:ltct@concentric.net] >>> | Sent: Saturday 27 November 1999 10:44 AM >>> | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>> | Subject: Re: another millenium argument >>> | >>> | >>> | If you have a better idea than Capitalism I'd like to hear it. >>> | I'm no fan of McDeath burgers, but don't blame capitalism. >>> | The alternative is waiting in long lines for loaves of bread >>> | or dying in a Socialist/Communist government-induced famine. >>> | >>> | - Larry >>> | >>> | >>> | >You are absolutely right .There are much better alternatives >>> | (for children >>> | >as well) than eating a poisonous Big Mac in capitalist world kingdom >Mc >>> | >Donalds.I am also an outsider! >>> | > >>> | > >>> | >> >I think Greg is speaking from cultural conditioning. There >>> | is a great >>> | >deal >>> | >> >of tortured and misshapen arguments and notions in the US. >Starting >>> | from >>> | >> >thinking that it's cool to use gallons instead of liters, >>> | miles instead >>> | >of >>> | >> >kilometers, and that everybody in the Universe speaks English >(Star >>> | >Trek). >>> | >> >Same old argument, what's real? >>> | > >>> | > >>> | > >>> | >>> | >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 21:03:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21411; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:03:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:03:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006001bf3944$2973d680$594badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: another millenium argument Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:59:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"014q_1.0.Zw4.ql8Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >For a very authoritative opinion of the failure of the capitalist system, Don't you mean *authoritarian*? National Socialists and Fascists hate capitalism, because it's based on brains rather than brawn; merit instead of mediocrity. LT -----Original Message----- From: Javier Miranda V. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, November 27, 1999 2:49 PM Subject: RE: another millenium argument > For a very authoritative opinion of the failure of the capitalist system, >you would like to check these books out: >*When Corporations Rule the World* by David C. Korten >*The Post-Corporate World: Life After Capitalism* by David C. Korten >*Globalizing Civil Society: Reclaiming Our Right to Power (Open Media >Pamphlet Series, 4)* by David C. Korten > You might also like to check this out: >*Corporate Media and the Threat to Democracy (Open Media Pamphlet Series)* >by Robert W. McChesney > You can pick them up at Amazon or BuyBooks.com. > Bottom line: You are a better idea than capitalism. But only if you wake >up in time. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: L Tremblay [mailto:ltct@concentric.net] > | Sent: Saturday 27 November 1999 10:44 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: another millenium argument > | > | > | If you have a better idea than Capitalism I'd like to hear it. > | I'm no fan of McDeath burgers, but don't blame capitalism. > | The alternative is waiting in long lines for loaves of bread > | or dying in a Socialist/Communist government-induced famine. > | > | - Larry > | > | > | >You are absolutely right .There are much better alternatives > | (for children > | >as well) than eating a poisonous Big Mac in capitalist world kingdom Mc > | >Donalds.I am also an outsider! > | > > | > > | >> >I think Greg is speaking from cultural conditioning. There > | is a great > | >deal > | >> >of tortured and misshapen arguments and notions in the US. Starting > | from > | >> >thinking that it's cool to use gallons instead of liters, > | miles instead > | >of > | >> >kilometers, and that everybody in the Universe speaks English (Star > | >Trek). > | >> >Same old argument, what's real? > | > > | > > | > > | > | > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 20:57:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20262; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:57:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:57:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004101bf3943$53c8e4d0$594badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: another millenium argument Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:53:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"6lLC02.0.Od4.Eg8Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Great one Jeff. Rand's fiction is also great stuff. I swear, these authoritarian crypto-fascists ought to consult history before they bitch about Capitalism....especially since what they are really bitching about is today's *Corporate Culture* in a quasi-socialist country like the USA - which is not a capitalist economy, since it is heavily regulated and subsidized by its statist government. - LT >after you have read those read *Atlas Shrugged* by Ayn Rand. > >jd > >"Javier Miranda V." wrote: > >> For a very authoritative opinion of the failure of the capitalist system, >> you would like to check these books out: >> *When Corporations Rule the World* by David C. Korten >> *The Post-Corporate World: Life After Capitalism* by David C. Korten >> *Globalizing Civil Society: Reclaiming Our Right to Power (Open Media >> Pamphlet Series, 4)* by David C. Korten >> You might also like to check this out: >> *Corporate Media and the Threat to Democracy (Open Media Pamphlet Series)* >> by Robert W. McChesney >> You can pick them up at Amazon or BuyBooks.com. >> Bottom line: You are a better idea than capitalism. But only if you wake >> up in time. >> >> | -----Original Message----- >> | From: L Tremblay [mailto:ltct@concentric.net] >> | Sent: Saturday 27 November 1999 10:44 AM >> | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> | Subject: Re: another millenium argument >> | >> | >> | If you have a better idea than Capitalism I'd like to hear it. >> | I'm no fan of McDeath burgers, but don't blame capitalism. >> | The alternative is waiting in long lines for loaves of bread >> | or dying in a Socialist/Communist government-induced famine. >> | >> | - Larry >> | >> | >> | >You are absolutely right .There are much better alternatives >> | (for children >> | >as well) than eating a poisonous Big Mac in capitalist world kingdom Mc >> | >Donalds.I am also an outsider! >> | > >> | > >> | >> >I think Greg is speaking from cultural conditioning. There >> | is a great >> | >deal >> | >> >of tortured and misshapen arguments and notions in the US. Starting >> | from >> | >> >thinking that it's cool to use gallons instead of liters, >> | miles instead >> | >of >> | >> >kilometers, and that everybody in the Universe speaks English (Star >> | >Trek). >> | >> >Same old argument, what's real? >> | > >> | > >> | > >> | >> | > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 21:28:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26482; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:28:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:28:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38408FC9.E64D120F@minds-eye.org> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:13:29 -0500 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: another millenium argument References: <006001bf3944$2973d680$594badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rNj2c2.0.Aj5.W09Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Could you all take this off list? I'm not here to discuss politics/ideology/religious dogma, etc. I really don't care to read you insulting other people on the list... >>National Socialists and Fascists hate capitalism, because it's based on brains rather than brawn; merit instead of mediocrity.-----authoritarian crypto-fascists ought to consult history before they bitch about Capitalism....especially since what they are really bitching about is today's *Corporate Culture*<< ...for posting an opinion you disagree with. Have a nice night (or not) Kevin L Tremblay wrote: > >For a very authoritative opinion of the failure of the capitalist system, > > Don't you mean *authoritarian*? National Socialists and Fascists > hate capitalism, because it's based on brains rather than brawn; > merit instead of mediocrity. > > LT > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 21:38:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28706; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:38:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:38:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 18:33:38 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: another insipid millenium argument In-reply-to: <004101bf3943$53c8e4d0$594badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"V4t9Y.0.-n6.MJ9Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com please take this pointless discussion someplace else. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 21:59:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00397; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:59:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:59:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 18:54:52 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: DL-4 available NOW! In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.19991124094648.007aa100@pop.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kg0DN2.0.bp7.rc9Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We now have a Line6 DL4 section on the Looper's Delight site. There's a nice review there by Jeff Seltzer, along with links to various stuff: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/line6/Line6-DL4.html At 9:46 AM -0800 11/24/99, Scott A. Martin wrote: >Looperfolks- > >I had the privilege yesterday of playing with one of the new Line 6 DL-4s >at Elderly Instruments in Lansing. While my experience with looping is >basically nil (which is why I won't offer a full review), it was definitely >a fun little box. The sound is great! I especially like the reverse and >half/double speed options I find this to be the strangest part about the DL4. They stuck reverse and half speed on one button. To get it to do reverse, you click the button twice. While I was reading the manual, I was wondering, "so you want to reverse, you go to click it twice, but what is it doing after the first click and before the second? Does it switch to half speed before it goes to reverse?" Jeff answered my question. It actually *does* switch the half-speed for that moment in between double-clicks, then switches back! So on one hand you can't go to reverse instantly since you need the two taps, which kinda ruins the fun for me, and when you do go to reverse your loop goes in and out of half-speed for a moment. (or if you are already in half-speed, it bounces to regular speed and back.) I'll be nice and call this "awkward". (enough that I'm rethinking my decision to >purchase a Headrush, although at the moment I'm probably better served by >the ability to undo my mistakes =). Two gripes: (1) the height of the box >makes it a little tricky to hit the footswitches, unless you're lifting >your foot completely off the floor to stomp on the thing; (2) it's >difficult to remember to press Play/Stop to close the initial loop. I kept >pressing Record/Overdub instead, and inadvertently adding things to the >loop. This is similar to how the headrush does it too, and it just baffles me because it is a really unituitive way to tap loop times. When people are focused on playing an instrument, it seems natural and intuitive for them to use the same button to start and stop the loop. You don't have to think about it then. We did some studies while developing the echoplex and discovered this right away. People naturally like the same button to start and stop something. If they have to use a different button, the brain needs to intervene, they have to remember which button to go to, and they usually screw something up. (either their playing or their button presses.) And if you need to set a short delay time, it's certainly easier to tap one button.... anyway, the models of ancient delays seem interesting. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 22:01:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00710; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 22:01:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 22:01:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: another millenium argument Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 18:44:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38408FC9.E64D120F@minds-eye.org> Resent-Message-ID: <"-Gavd.0.yI7.SS9Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll second that. | -----Original Message----- | From: Kevin [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] | | Could you all take this off list? I'm not here to discuss | politics/ideology/religious dogma, etc. I really don't care to read you | insulting other people on the list... | | >>National Socialists and Fascists hate capitalism, because | it's based on brains | rather than brawn; merit instead of mediocrity.-----authoritarian | crypto-fascists ought to consult history before they bitch about | Capitalism....especially since what they are really bitching | about is today's | *Corporate Culture*<< | | ...for posting an opinion you disagree with. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 22:35:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07924; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 22:35:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 22:35:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991128032212.74606.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: what the Microsynth sounds like... Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 19:22:12 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"q32p1.0._G1.T0AGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's kind of like having a distortion pedal, an octave/suboctave pedal, an attack delay effect, and an 'auto wah' effect all mixed together with some xtra eq controls and not very good sustain on stringed instruments. (It kind of stops suddenly.) The Electric Friends have 2 mp3's that use the MicroSynth that you can hear at: www.mp3.com/electricfriends "Wow" uses a ton of microsynth with live and improvised drum machines. "Angel Scabs" (an NIN joke song) uses one on both the piano and drum machine. Mr. Tough >From: Andy Soto >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: EH-reissues >Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 01:14:05 -0600 (CST) > > what the Micro synth does better (at least for me) is to reproduce the >souns made by old analog synths, such as the rolad SH series and others, in >a limited but cool way. > > combined with a ´rang and some delay unit, you could very well imitate >an >old bass sequencer,some awesome analog sweeps by strumming all your guitar >strings (if that´s what you play), and to make some bowed sounds. > > there have been some discusions about distorsion here as well, where >some >of the loopers use the MS to distort, cool as well :-) > >smaug. > > > > > > >At 07:50 AM 26/11/99 -0800, you wrote: > > > >--dear list: what does the microsynth sound like ? would it be better >than >buying the waldorf filter if you are a sampler/synth user. How about for >getting bass tones. I know the have a bass synth too. but what caant the" >micro" do in this realm. > > > >On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:49:47 Tiktok World HQ wrote: > >>I'd say $500-800 for a Microsynth is "absurd", $250-300 is "pricey". >Based > >>on this, I'd expect EH to sell a 16 reissue for in the ballpark of $600. > >> > >> > >>TH > >> > >>---------- > >>>From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com > >>>To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com > >>>Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #462 > >>>Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999, 10:32 PM > >>> > >> > >>> I don't know about this. the Microsynth was selling for $500-800 used > >>> right before they brought out the reissue. While it's not 100% the >same > >>> it sells for $250+ new now which is very reasonable relatively >speaking. > >>> the 16 second delay now goes for over $1k all the time. A $250-300 >price > >>> tag would be fine by me if they do it. > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >Join the most exciting community of women on the web! > >iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, > >your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, > >and dozens of problem-solving tools. > >http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 27 23:48:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22343; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 23:48:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 23:48:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:41:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jeffery Hildebrand X-Sender: jscotth@logan.ucdavis.edu To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: hold on just a sec... i'm confused... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"yHjVY2.0.V35.7ABGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'm just wondering if one of the last posts was asking to please stop the discussion about the millenium, or the discussion about stopping the discussion about the millenium? :) i'd like to actually keep the discussion about the millenium going, because it's interesting, and we don't have THAT much longer to have it. aside from that, (if we're all bored of millenium discourse), let's talk about something else... like sex. sex is fun to talk about, and besides, you can only talk about looping so much, then it's just overkill. scott From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 00:20:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30010; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 00:20:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 00:20:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: hold on just a sec... i'm confused... Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:15:43 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf395f$9eb06560$f9358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"vz4dY2.0.Sr6.zeBGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok, I have my popcorn and candy and my cable modem warmed up for this one! ;) C -----Original Message----- From: Jeffery Hildebrand [mailto:jshildebrand@ucdavis.edu] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 8:41 PM To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: hold on just a sec... i'm confused... i'm just wondering if one of the last posts was asking to please stop the discussion about the millenium, or the discussion about stopping the discussion about the millenium? :) i'd like to actually keep the discussion about the millenium going, because it's interesting, and we don't have THAT much longer to have it. aside from that, (if we're all bored of millenium discourse), let's talk about something else... like sex. sex is fun to talk about, and besides, you can only talk about looping so much, then it's just overkill. scott From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 03:56:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05330; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 03:56:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 03:56:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3840ED85.A20695DA@texas.net> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 02:53:29 -0600 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Bad Clicking on EDP References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aHGyv.0.j51.bqEGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com attn edp users - howdy. i just installed the loop3v5.0 eproms in my echoplex which came in the magic bag i ordered from kim. if you are having any weirdnesses with your edp i *highly* suggest to you that this is the way to go. not only do i no longer have those annoying bumps, but the crossfade at the beginning/ending point seems much smoother. yay! > I hope this will make bobdog happy again. golly. you betcha. > I'll just repost the instructions for setting the > dc-offset pot again: as it turns out my dc offset was perfect, so my bumping/clicking/ugliness was solved by the new eproms. yay! thanks kim, bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 10:10:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00332; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:10:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:10:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 09:05:16 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199911281505.JAA20583@mw2.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: Bad Clicking on EDP Resent-Message-ID: <"mEBMb1.0.9n7.DJKGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, since i intend to pop one of those said eproms into my echoplex, at the beginning of the week,, i thought i might go ahead an thank Bobdog for snaggin an extra one for my continued therapy..as well as kim for assisting in ending both of our plex pains.. thanks guys, james At 02:53 AM 11/28/99 -0600, you wrote: >attn edp users - > >howdy. i just installed the loop3v5.0 eproms in my echoplex which came in the >magic bag i ordered from kim. > >if you are having any weirdnesses with your edp i *highly* suggest to you that >this is the way to go. not only do i no longer have those annoying bumps, but >the crossfade at the beginning/ending point seems much smoother. yay! > >> I hope this will make bobdog happy again. > >golly. you betcha. > > >> I'll just repost the instructions for setting the >> dc-offset pot again: > >as it turns out my dc offset was perfect, so my bumping/clicking/ugliness was >solved by the new eproms. yay! > >thanks kim, > >bobdog > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 10:47:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07358; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:47:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:47:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384137FC.50E177BF@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 09:11:08 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: what the Microsynth sounds like... References: <19991128032212.74606.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1B9bv3.0.na1.0tKGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Another good example of the sound of a Microsynth is from fellow looper list member Brian McKenzie. Track one on the LD cd vol. two, or you can check it out in Real Audio at his ra page, http://members.xoom.com/birdnoise/tracks.html Its japanese toy song. jd "Mr. Tough" wrote: > It's kind of like having a distortion pedal, an octave/suboctave pedal, an > attack delay effect, and an 'auto wah' effect all mixed together with some > xtra eq controls and not very good sustain on stringed instruments. (It kind > of stops suddenly.) > > The Electric Friends have 2 mp3's that use the MicroSynth that you can hear > at: > > www.mp3.com/electricfriends > > "Wow" uses a ton of microsynth with live and improvised drum machines. > > "Angel Scabs" (an NIN joke song) uses one on both the piano and drum > machine. > > Mr. Tough > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 11:46:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18369; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:46:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:46:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:41:33 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, matthias@grob.org Subject: Re: > loopist > musician > looper sync Resent-Message-ID: <"7dGlQ3.0.pG4.pjLGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for all your answers Matthias! Fingers X-ed on the Trace Time Trampler Loop Organizer... -Miko >>> Matthias Grob 11/25 10:41 AM >>> >> Using BrotherSync in the version I am working on, the second player can start his recording while the first is still recording. And it works free like multiply with rounding and green counter! No quantizing is necessary! You may choose it though, especially when playing straight drum machine or sequencer stuff. I dont like it ;-) >So is this the same s/w update that Kim also speaks of with double >speed/half speed options? Yes, thats the one, I am still fighting with the last and most ugly bugs. The green counter is MULTIPLE. In this case it tells you how many cycles of your brothers basic loop are contained in your first recording - just like starting straight with Multiply... > >And do you have any feel for when Gibson and Trace Elliott might make >new EDP's available? I'm still really steamed that I'm not able to >play in stereo yet... feel? no. But I know they started, they will finish. I know its hard to wait (imagine how much I am waiting!), but the more we trust and DO something usefull, the quicker things come... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 15:23:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24697; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:23:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:23:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38418C9B.E0362021@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:12:11 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Korg's new 160 second delay ! References: <199911271759.MAA22853@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M4FNz1.0.jm5.DuOGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ... but it's just a plug-in card fer wintel computers. it'd be great to have something like this in a box! anywho, rob Drew Skyfyre schrieb: > > > Gotyourattentiondidn'ti? > > Originally scheduled to be released in October, > I don't know when it'll be out now : > > Korg OASYS PCI > > http://www.korg.com/oasyspci.htm > -------------------------- > "Additional new effects include tempo delays, modulation via MIDI-sync'd > LFOs and analog-style sequencers, envelope and LFO-swept filters, new > high-quality analog EQ and reverb algorithms, an awesome 160 second maximum > delay time, and more." > > "...four- and six-tap multitap chorus/delays..." > > "High-Quality MIDI-Synced Tempo Delays: A variety of recent synths and > effects include MIDI-synced delays. With some of them, however, you might > have noticed a telltale clicking when the tempo changes - or even when it's > supposed to be completely steady! > > * In contrast, the OASYS PCI's MIDI-synced tempo delays are smooth, > responsive, and click-free. They also offer delay times up to 40 seconds > (and you can use up to four of these at once!), fine adjust of synced delay > times to create "swing" rhythms, individual high and low cut filters per > tap, and more." > > --------------------------- > > Promisingly awesome. > > -drew > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 16:40:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07492; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:40:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:40:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Doug Lawrence'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: BByLng734@aol.com Subject: RE: EDP Repair Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:28:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"T2Qx61.0.5c1.d1QGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Adding the addresses of these repair facilities to the Loopers Website would be a cool addition! Kim? dk -----Original Message----- From: Doug Lawrence [mailto:douglas-lawrence@home.com] Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 6:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: BByLng734@aol.com Subject: RE: EDP Repair I've spoken to Mike Ayers on the repair topic several times and he recommends only two shops for repairs. The one I've used is ... Triple S 261 Broad Street Belleville, NJ 07003 (973)751-0481 The other one is one the West coast and I don't have any information on it. I had an EDP that has been at Triple S in New Jersey for over 4 months for repairs. This was the second time I had it in and they couldn't fix it this time. I know they have successfully repaired other EDP's, so they may be worth a try. I would give them a call. When I spoke to Mike several weeks ago, he said Gibson is ~not~ accepting EDP's for repairs. Mike Ayers said they are going to work with the people at Trace Elliot as to when they are going to start performing repairs, but it's not right now. Apparently, the "guy" that they had at Gibson who was the ace repairman left the company and they need to get someone trained. Unfortunately, your options are somewhat limited until they get back into production. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 5:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loops/Y2K/Leibniz/Zeno/Imhotep Sorry, I didn't have time to reply to you before, no need to get irritable. >From your previous post, I would say replace the fuse first, same as Travis suggested. Did you actually replace it, or did you just look at it? Sometimes fuses blow in ways that are hard to see, and you have to look pretty hard to tell if it burned through or not. Easy to just replace it, then make sure the replacement has not blown too. (some people have had trouble getting poor quality fuses at radio shack or whereever that blew immediately in the echoplex. You may want to go up a size if you go there.) If the fuse keeps blowing, there may really be a short or something, in which case you should have a tech look at it. did you try calling Mike Ayers at Gibson Customer service? His number is 800-777-0795 x382 or (615) 871-4500 x382. or his mail is mayers@gibson.com. Usually he is very responsive and can provide you with info on getting repairs done. In fact, if you contact any of the customer service people there they are usually quite responsive and go find the answer you need. They'll often go so far as to contact people like me with questions from users if they are not sure of the best answer. I think they do a pretty good job. (they might be on thanksgiving holiday today, though.) and honestly, I'm just amazed sometimes at how people forget the simple idea of picking up their telephone and calling the people employed to help. Instead they'll spend lots of time writing panicky messages to internet discussion lists, when the best resources are right there waiting for them? use your phone! kim At 11:49 AM -0800 11/26/99, BByLng734@aol.com wrote: > Sorry to disappoint, but here is a mundanely on-topic post - I think a >sharing of leads to competent and punctual technicians/shops who repair EDPs >would be beneficial to the majority of the readership. My Echolplex is in >need of repair and I am reluctant to trust it to a general "tinkerer" in a >local shop. I would send it anywhere good work is known to be done on such >pieces. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 16:34:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06406; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:34:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:34:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Reverse and long loops Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:22:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"E8hn93.0.eM1.wxPGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To add my little reverse thing" I may create a one minute loop, but use reverse multiple times to spend 5 minues just going back and forth between the same 20-30 seconds for a while. Then letting the rest of the loop come through gives me (and the audience) clearer space to build some more. Letting the whole thing pass by a few times at the end helps resolve the overall and recalls the first themes I'd developed. David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 19:22:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05398; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:22:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:22:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <016f01bf39fe$a016fa00$0100a8c0@Hewlettpackard> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: Subject: splitting a guitar signal? Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:13:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"XfwjV.0.ql.lLSGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi gang. This should be pretty simple for y'all to answer... I want to split my guitar signal and run it into two delay pedals so I can have two independent loops running against each other. What do I need to get in order to send the signal in two different directions? If there's more than one way, what's the cheapest solution? Thanks. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 19:47:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11624; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:47:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:47:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Echoplex: Sound on Sound Activated X-Prerequisite-Blasphemy: Invert me under the stars Message-Id: <4.1.19991128172145.00b807d0@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:28:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: splitting a guitar signal? In-Reply-To: <016f01bf39fe$a016fa00$0100a8c0@Hewlettpackard> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bG6oC.0._u1.BaSGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On or around 07:13 PM 11/28/99 -0500, Peter Shindler said: >I want to split my guitar signal and run it into two delay pedals so I can >have two independent loops running against each other. What do I need to >get in order to send the signal in two different directions? I don't know what pedals you're using, or if they have a direct out. If they do, it's extremely simple. Run one direct/dry out into the next unit. > If there's more than one way, what's the cheapest solution? Thanks. The "cheapest" solution is to get a y-cable splitter and fork the signal. Your tone, however, will likely suffer. Personally, I'd recommend a cheap 4-track mixer or something equivalent to split the signal if your delay units don't have a direct/dry out, or consider one of the a/b/a+b channel switchers on the floor. Your mileage will vary; I use rack delays with dry outs, so I've never had to contend with this. ;) == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob ============================================================== http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 20:08:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17686; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:08:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:08:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: splitting a guitar signal? Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:02:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <016f01bf39fe$a016fa00$0100a8c0@Hewlettpackard> Resent-Message-ID: <"9xASy1.0.4A4.y5TGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you can get an Electro Harmonix "Switch Blade," that would be the way to go. Otherwise, get a 1/4" Y splitter at Radio Shack. You can get fancy and place two volume pedals immediately after the Y splitter, or just control the two inputs' gain through a mixer. | -----Original Message----- | From: Peter Shindler [mailto:shindler@mediaone.net] | Sent: Sunday 28 November 1999 4:14 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: splitting a guitar signal? | | | Hi gang. This should be pretty simple for y'all to answer... | | I want to split my guitar signal and run it into two delay | pedals so I can | have two independent loops running against each other. What do | I need to... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 20:21:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20185; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:21:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:21:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: splitting a guitar signal? Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:18:52 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf3a07$b2559b00$f9358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <016f01bf39fe$a016fa00$0100a8c0@Hewlettpackard> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"V-yZj3.0.Tp4.tGTGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just got one of these and it works fine- http://www.morleypedals.com/item.asp?item=ABY Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Peter Shindler [mailto:shindler@mediaone.net] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 4:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: splitting a guitar signal? Hi gang. This should be pretty simple for y'all to answer... I want to split my guitar signal and run it into two delay pedals so I can have two independent loops running against each other. What do I need to get in order to send the signal in two different directions? If there's more than one way, what's the cheapest solution? Thanks. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 20:49:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26633; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:49:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:49:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6c23b82.25733486@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:44:38 EST Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"-KM2P1.0.EG6.5hTGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/26/99 5:37:46 PM, xouoxno@virtulink.com writes: >> huh? The line 6 DL4 doesn't have any eh-16 model! > >Oops. A quick glance at the pdf manual I printed out from their >web site shows the Deluxe Memory Man. My mistake. Duh. I'm hoping the lo-res model on the DL-4 (as low as 6 bits!) might be reminiscent of the EH 2 second digital delay, a similar texture to the mighty 16. Too bad the DL-4 doesn't appear to do the chorus modulation in this mode. Been keeping an eye out for one of those 2 second models for a long time now but it is indeed dangerous technology to spend much money on. It seems the A-D converters (long out of production) are even more prone to failure on these units then on the 16. I've come across 4 or 5 broken units, and one I was preparing to buy suddenly took a dump and has been out for repair for weeks. In this regard the new modelling technology is very attractive. eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 21:03:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29121; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:03:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:03:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911290159.RAA00601@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:59:41 -0600 Subject: Re: Echoplex repair time vs. onset of the next Ice Age From: "Tiktok World HQ" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DGqZZ.0.h_6.iuTGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Four months? Yikes. I think the Echoplex only has like ten modules inside it (feel free to chime in at any moment Kim)--does the service manual for the EDP deal with component level repair? And even then, a powerful smell of bullshit appears to be wafting from the New Jersey area... TH ---------- >From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #470 >Date: Sun, Nov 28, 1999, 7:25 PM > > The other one is one the West coast and I don't have any information on it. > I had an EDP that has been at Triple S in New Jersey for over 4 months for > repairs. This was the second time I had it in and they couldn't fix it this > time. I know they have successfully repaired other EDP's, so they may be > worth a try. I would give them a call. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 21:06:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30056; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:06:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:06:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911290201.SAA01812@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:01:50 -0600 Subject: Re: Splitting signal the cheap way From: "Tiktok World HQ" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Si-n_2.0.A47.hwTGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I used to use a stereo chorus pedal with the chorus bypassed. Or not, as the mood struck me. Should be able to find one of those for $40-50 used. TH ---------- >From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #470 >Date: Sun, Nov 28, 1999, 7:25 PM > > I want to split my guitar signal and run it into two delay pedals so I can > have two independent loops running against each other. What do I need to > get in order to send the signal in two different directions? If there's > more than one way, what's the cheapest solution? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 21:22:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01431; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:22:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:22:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Bizurko@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b706f30a.25733bdf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:15:59 EST Subject: EDP for sale To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"aeBo-3.0.2z7.U8UGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com EDP w/ (Oberheim) foot pedal for sale. Interested parties e-mail me privately please. Thanks, David Burk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 21:45:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05894; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:45:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:45:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:38:51 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: 1 million hits To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vghJx.0.eJ1.8VUGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, we finally crossed that big milestone. The Looper's Delight website had it's 1 millionth page-hit sometime last week! I, for one, am amazed. Never expected anything like it when I started this 3 years ago. These days the site gets anywhere from 4000 to 7000 hits a day, so I guess 2 million will come quite a bit quicker. The funny thing is, I'm pretty sure my plain little home-brew web page gets a lot more visitors than the average ecommerce sham site being advertised on tv lately. I have to laugh sometimes, that those guys think they are ever going to make any money out of this sort of thing. They don't get the first thing about how to get people to want to visit your page..... Well, LD loses money too, so I guess this means I should be having a big IPO, right? I'll issue shares to everyone subscribed to the list, we'll never have a problem buying loop toys again! :-) anyway, thanks for stopping by and making this all possible! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 21:47:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06642; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:47:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:47:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: moondog@albany.net Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991128214143.0068fa58@mail.albany.net> X-Sender: moondog@mail.albany.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:41:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: splitting guitars Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1opG-1.0.JM1.JWUGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey now, >I want to split my guitar signal and run it into two delay pedals so I can >have two independent loops running against each other. What do I need >to get in order to send the signal in two different directions? If there's >more than one way, what's the cheapest solution? Thanks. Morley makes a really nice A/B/Y pedal that lets you send to one of two outputs or both at once. It's sturdy, dependable, quiet, easy to use, and I think I got mine for $40. Not the cheapest solution, but it works great. peace, hoby moondog@albany.net ************************************* "Don't worry, we're from the government. We're here to help." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 22:05:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10346; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:05:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:05:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: <0.c80d9aa6.2573465a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:00:42 EST Subject: hold on just a sec... i'm confused. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"bhkuL3.0.gR2.QoUGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/28/1999 8:26:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jeffery Hildebrand writes: > i'm just wondering if one of the last posts was asking to please stop > the discussion about the millenium, or the discussion about stopping the > discussion about the millenium? :) i'd like to actually keep the > discussion about the millenium going, because it's interesting, and we > don't have THAT much longer to have it. aside from that, (if we're all > bored of millenium discourse), let's talk about something else... like > sex. sex is fun to talk about, and besides, you can only talk about > looping so much, then it's just overkill. > you must be kidding... if you don't want to "talk about looping so much" and feel like talking about sex or the millennium do it somewhere else. I really think that some posters need to feel important/involved and have to put their 2cents in about everything... if you don't have something to post loop-related (or at least music related for christsakes) why don't you just not post??? I'd actually like less mail to go through-- then I'd be able to play more. quit talkin' just to hear yourself... i'm gonna do the same now. like i said, i hope you were kidding -jack From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 22:23:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14089; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:23:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:23:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003701bf3a19$5025a120$115bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: Subject: Re: 1 million hits Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 01:24:56 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"r6Woz.0.QD3.93VGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Congratulations from Salvador,Bahia,Brasil !!!!! julio ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 12:38 AM Subject: 1 million hits > Well, we finally crossed that big milestone. The Looper's Delight website > had it's 1 millionth page-hit sometime last week! > > I, for one, am amazed. Never expected anything like it when I started this > 3 years ago. These days the site gets anywhere from 4000 to 7000 hits a > day, so I guess 2 million will come quite a bit quicker. > > The funny thing is, I'm pretty sure my plain little home-brew web page gets > a lot more visitors than the average ecommerce sham site being advertised > on tv lately. I have to laugh sometimes, that those guys think they are > ever going to make any money out of this sort of thing. They don't get the > first thing about how to get people to want to visit your page..... Well, > LD loses money too, so I guess this means I should be having a big IPO, > right? I'll issue shares to everyone subscribed to the list, we'll never > have a problem buying loop toys again! :-) > > anyway, thanks for stopping by and making this all possible! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 22:31:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15431; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:31:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:31:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:26:44 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Andre LaFosse CD -> Andre ROCKS! In-reply-to: <383C3647.2757@altruistmusic.com> To: altruist@altruistmusic.com, loopers-delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pZtAF.0.ng3.6BVGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:02 AM -0800 11/24/99, Andre LaFosse wrote: >[WARNING: Self-promotional blurb follows immediately] > >Hello people -- > >Not much I can add to the subject: I have an album available. So I got Andre's cd yesterday. I'm listening to it for the second time now, all I can say is, IT ROCKS! Nice work Andre! It's definitely a guitar album, which as many of you may have noticed, is NOT something I go for much these days. But Andre plays like a mofo and has a cool, modernized style that mixes things up quite a bit, he sounds like Andre and not somebody else. It's one of the more interesting guitar things I've heard in quite some time. Strike that, the ONLY interesting one...:-) If it has this much guitar and I liked it, it must be pretty good...;-) Very hyper-active, drum&bass/rock hybrid, kept my head bopping through the whole thing. Fabulous breakbeat styled drum programming that sounds like a whole lot of effort went into it. Very creative, intricate beats, well done, with plenty of variety to keep things interesting. One thing I like about the guitars is the modern, cut and paste approach. Straight guitar stuff has been chopped up and mashed around and reconstructed, much the way drum&bass tracks are usually composed. It's done well too, I love the effect. I think a lot of it is done live/semi-live too, using an Echoplex and vortex. The compositions and melodies are solid, they're definitely sticking in my brain so something is right about it! My only nit (and it's not that bad really) is it could have more bass for my taste, maybe bring out the low-end in the mix a bit more. (don't forget the bass in drum&bass :-) It's cool that everything but the drums is done with guitars, but maybe guitars aren't the best way to make a bass sound. Overall though, I love it, thumbs way up! BTW Andre, the MP3's on your site don't do you justice. Listening to the CD I liked it a lot better than what I listened to on your site. what you've got up there is ok, cause it's all good really, but somehow I think there are some much better parts you can pick. Show off more of the songs themselves, and some of those great interludes and drum breaks..... anyway, y'all should treat yourself to this one, buy it now: >For more sound samples, info, and a secure server for online ordering, >you can visit my home page: > >http://www.altruistmusic.com > kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 22:47:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19069; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:47:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:47:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MyWarNerve@aol.com Message-ID: <0.ce26822a.25735068@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:43:36 EST Subject: Re: splitting guitars To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"WuyBM2.0.TW4.HQVGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not to mention that if you don't load the signal too much going into it, it's relatively quiet, and the switches are almost transparent. A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 22:46:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18877; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:46:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:46:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:41:39 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex repair time vs. onset of the next Ice Age In-reply-to: <199911290159.RAA00601@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"DkP5K2.0.IK4.jOVGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree, that sounds like BS to me too. The echoplex hardware is really not that complicated and is not very difficult to repair. I contacted Gibson the other day when I saw this. They'll be in touch with Triple S on Monday, to give them some "advice". I don't think Gibson knew this sort of thing was happening (niether did I), which is why it is good to pick up your phone and tell their customer support people about this sort of thing. If the company they contract repair and warranty service to is not doing a good job, I assure you they want to know about it so they can fix the problem. kim travis said: >Four months? > >Yikes. > >I think the Echoplex only has like ten modules inside it (feel free to chime >in at any moment Kim)--does the service manual for the EDP deal with >component level repair? And even then, a powerful smell of bullshit appears >to be wafting from the New Jersey area... > >TH > >---------- >>From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >>To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >>Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #470 >>Date: Sun, Nov 28, 1999, 7:25 PM >> > >> The other one is one the West coast and I don't have any information on it. >> I had an EDP that has been at Triple S in New Jersey for over 4 months for >> repairs. This was the second time I had it in and they couldn't fix it this >> time. I know they have successfully repaired other EDP's, so they may be >> worth a try. I would give them a call. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 22:50:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19896; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:50:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:50:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:46:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911290346.WAA28404@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: Andre LaFosse CD -> Andre ROCKS! Resent-Message-ID: <"4Zsrv.0.md4.ZSVGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I, too, have just received a copy of Andre's CD and second everything Kim has to say about it. I had heard the previous clips on his site and dug them, but this CD is so much more. It has a real fresh feel and Andre's playing is absolutely incredible. I can't remember hearing this much great, inspired and original playing on one CD in a long time, let alone all from the same guy. And the atmospheric stuff is totally cool. I am truly impressed. Great job! Frank Gerace Dreamchild At 07:26 PM 11/28/99 -0800, you wrote: >At 11:02 AM -0800 11/24/99, Andre LaFosse wrote: >>[WARNING: Self-promotional blurb follows immediately] >> >>Hello people -- >> >>Not much I can add to the subject: I have an album available. > >So I got Andre's cd yesterday. I'm listening to it for the second time now, >all I can say is, IT ROCKS! Nice work Andre! > >It's definitely a guitar album, which as many of you may have noticed, is >NOT something I go for much these days. But Andre plays like a mofo and has >a cool, modernized style that mixes things up quite a bit, he sounds like >Andre and not somebody else. It's one of the more interesting guitar things >I've heard in quite some time. Strike that, the ONLY interesting one...:-) >If it has this much guitar and I liked it, it must be pretty good...;-) > >Very hyper-active, drum&bass/rock hybrid, kept my head bopping through the >whole thing. Fabulous breakbeat styled drum programming that sounds like a >whole lot of effort went into it. Very creative, intricate beats, well >done, with plenty of variety to keep things interesting. One thing I like >about the guitars is the modern, cut and paste approach. Straight guitar >stuff has been chopped up and mashed around and reconstructed, much the way >drum&bass tracks are usually composed. It's done well too, I love the >effect. I think a lot of it is done live/semi-live too, using an Echoplex >and vortex. The compositions and melodies are solid, they're definitely >sticking in my brain so something is right about it! My only nit (and it's >not that bad really) is it could have more bass for my taste, maybe bring >out the low-end in the mix a bit more. (don't forget the bass in drum&bass >:-) It's cool that everything but the drums is done with guitars, but >maybe guitars aren't the best way to make a bass sound. Overall though, I >love it, thumbs way up! > >BTW Andre, the MP3's on your site don't do you justice. Listening to the CD >I liked it a lot better than what I listened to on your site. what you've >got up there is ok, cause it's all good really, but somehow I think there >are some much better parts you can pick. Show off more of the songs >themselves, and some of those great interludes and drum breaks..... > >anyway, y'all should treat yourself to this one, buy it now: > >>For more sound samples, info, and a secure server for online ordering, >>you can visit my home page: >> >>http://www.altruistmusic.com >> > > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 22:58:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21249; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:58:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:58:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911290355.TAA05066@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:58:57 -0700 Subject: Re: splitting a guitar signal? From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FE4nd2.0.465.oaVGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Your tone will suffer" being the operative phrase in these replys to your splitter question! Over here @ "STANITARIUM" we have tried every splitter on this planet and if you are talking about a guitar signal,we have never found anything that doesn't in some way deterioate that signal.That said we remain humble in our search.When the word "cheap" enters into this CHEAP is what you get! Let your ears be the judge...always searching...STANNER ---------- >From: the Reverend Rob >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: splitting a guitar signal? >Date: Sun, Nov 28, 1999, 5:28 PM > > On or around 07:13 PM 11/28/99 -0500, Peter Shindler said: > >>I want to split my guitar signal and run it into two delay pedals so I can >>have two independent loops running against each other. What do I need to >>get in order to send the signal in two different directions? > > I don't know what pedals you're using, or if they have a direct out. If > they do, it's extremely simple. Run one direct/dry out into the next unit. > >> If there's more than one way, what's the cheapest solution? Thanks. > > The "cheapest" solution is to get a y-cable splitter and fork the signal. > Your tone, however, will likely suffer. Personally, I'd recommend a cheap > 4-track mixer or something equivalent to split the signal if your delay > units don't have a direct/dry out, or consider one of the a/b/a+b channel > switchers on the floor. > > Your mileage will vary; I use rack delays with dry outs, so I've never had > to contend with this. ;) > > == > the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob > ============================================================== > http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 28 23:25:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27225; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:25:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:25:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002a01bf3a38$7b504160$94fdf7a5@default> From: "Phil Talley" To: References: <0.b706f30a.25733bdf@aol.com> Subject: Re: EDP for sale Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:08:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"-vykS1.0.Wi5.4mVGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm interested. How much are you asking and when was it made? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 6:15 PM Subject: EDP for sale > EDP w/ (Oberheim) foot pedal for sale. Interested parties e-mail me > privately please. > > Thanks, > > David Burk > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 00:23:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07191; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:23:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:23:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911290519.AAA05870@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:49:50 +0530 Subject: Re: Korg's new 160 second delay ! From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IA1gw3.0.yR1.gpWGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > ... but it's just a plug-in card fer wintel computers. > it'd be great to have something like this in a box! > > anywho, > rob Rob, it's for Macs (ASIO) & Windows. Support for most (all ?) major sequencers. U could always get one of those rack mount industrial style PCs. I'd luv this in a Mac alongside Digital Performer. - Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 00:50:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15302; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:50:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:50:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Bizurko@aol.com Message-ID: <0.5c15f070.25736cf9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:45:29 EST Subject: Re: EDP for sale To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"NmB472.0.8Y3.uCXGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Actually, I'm not sure of the year it was made, but I can tell you that it has software version 3.2 loaded in it. It has 107 seconds of memory, so isn't quite maxed for RAM. It's in excellent condition. One just sold on Ebay for about $820, so that's where we're starting. Thanks, db From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 01:19:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20548; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 01:19:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 01:19:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991129061547.13125.rocketmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:15:47 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: 1 million hits To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"y_kSP.0.Jw4.reXGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Congratulations Kim, and thank you! Maybe you & your fellow developers should come up with a product you can sell direct from the LD website. You need something to do in your spare time. ;) Oh man, I've just realized, I've taken over 300 hits of Loopers Delight. I should probably get a Cat-Scan. John --- Kim Flint wrote: > Well, we finally crossed that big milestone. The > Looper's Delight website > had it's 1 millionth page-hit sometime last week! > > I, for one, am amazed. Never expected anything like > it when I started this > 3 years ago. These days the site gets anywhere from > 4000 to 7000 hits a > day, so I guess 2 million will come quite a bit > quicker. > > The funny thing is, I'm pretty sure my plain little > home-brew web page gets > a lot more visitors than the average ecommerce sham > site being advertised > on tv lately. I have to laugh sometimes, that those > guys think they are > ever going to make any money out of this sort of > thing. They don't get the > first thing about how to get people to want to visit > your page..... Well, > LD loses money too, so I guess this means I should > be having a big IPO, > right? I'll issue shares to everyone subscribed to > the list, we'll never > have a problem buying loop toys again! :-) > > anyway, thanks for stopping by and making this all > possible! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 01:15:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19636; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 01:15:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 01:15:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00c801bf3a30$308188e0$69c2aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: Subject: Re: 1 million hits Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:08:35 -0800 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"YCw_y2.0.nX4.5ZXGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Most impressive Kim. Congrats. You are indeed providing the world a valuable service. Just a reminder to all on this list: When purchasing items from Amazon.com, be sure to go via the LD recommended reading page. This will help Kim with the cost of running this site and prolong the inevitable IPO. > Well, we finally crossed that big milestone. The Looper's Delight website > had it's 1 millionth page-hit sometime last week! > > I, for one, am amazed. Never expected anything like it when I started this > 3 years ago. These days the site gets anywhere from 4000 to 7000 hits a > day, so I guess 2 million will come quite a bit quicker > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 01:14:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19512; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 01:14:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 01:14:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Echoplex repair time Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 01:12:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"P8idI.0.Hh4.6aXGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim et al- This is a really unfair attack on me by saying I'm lying on this public forum without checking any facts ... please do not ~ASSUME~ that I did not contact Gibson or Mike Ayers about the status of my EDP while it has been in for repairs. I would have appreciated the consideration of checking with me first! I have spoken to Mike Ayers several times and Triple S has worked with Gibson directly as well. This EDP was not able to be repaired by Triple S (on two occasions!) and they recommended that I send it back to Gibson again. Gibson is not accepting EDP's for repairs, so I asked Triple S to ship it back to me so I could wait until Gibson is. Mike Ayers said he would try his best to get it in for warranty repair when Trace Elliot is ready ... end-of-story. I'm not saying that Triple S can't repair some EDP problems, they just couldn't fix mine. I was very patient with them while they were working on it and spoke with them on several occasions regarding the issue. Now I'm put into the position of having Gibson scold them because someone didn't check facts. They will be really happy to work on any equipment I send them in the future. Also, Kim, the first time this EDP was on the fritz, it was you who recommended having U12, the ADC0804, replaced, which was the reason I sent it back to Triple S to begin with. It seems that didn't fix the problem. No BS! Doug -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 10:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex repair time vs. onset of the next Ice Age I agree, that sounds like BS to me too. The echoplex hardware is really not that complicated and is not very difficult to repair. I contacted Gibson the other day when I saw this. They'll be in touch with Triple S on Monday, to give them some "advice". I don't think Gibson knew this sort of thing was happening (niether did I), which is why it is good to pick up your phone and tell their customer support people about this sort of thing. If the company they contract repair and warranty service to is not doing a good job, I assure you they want to know about it so they can fix the problem. kim travis said: >Four months? > >Yikes. > >I think the Echoplex only has like ten modules inside it (feel free to chime >in at any moment Kim)--does the service manual for the EDP deal with >component level repair? And even then, a powerful smell of bullshit appears >to be wafting from the New Jersey area... > >TH > >---------- >>From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >>To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >>Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #470 >>Date: Sun, Nov 28, 1999, 7:25 PM >> > >> The other one is one the West coast and I don't have any information on it. >> I had an EDP that has been at Triple S in New Jersey for over 4 months for >> repairs. This was the second time I had it in and they couldn't fix it this >> time. I know they have successfully repaired other EDP's, so they may be >> worth a try. I would give them a call. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 02:24:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32576; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:24:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:24:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003a01bf3a37$a627c620$e734e9d4@lenclud> From: "Laurent" To: Subject: New member Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:01:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"tQuUO1.0._A7.jOYGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Please I would like to loop, what are "beginner" stuffs? Laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 02:35:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01628; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:35:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:35:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d699540e.257385b3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:30:59 EST Subject: feedback matrix loops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"MTwFP2.0.5L.qlYGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ive spent alot of time browsing David Myers page (pulsewidth)this weekend and have taken a keen interest in this idea this have the fun time i had last week taking the out from my stereo delay/reverb pedal back into the input and getting a world of sounds(then again, that pedal is broken anyhow so it makes a world of sounds on its own) what sort of commercial mixers(pref rack mountable)come close to the ideal matrix? i suppose just lots of aux and routing capabilities? rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 02:45:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03521; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:45:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:45:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: New member Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:43:47 -0800 Message-ID: <005f01bf3a3d$787f7be0$f9358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <003a01bf3a37$a627c620$e734e9d4@lenclud> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"xGQD5.0.Lg.kvYGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Welcome! May I suggest browsing through the Looper's website to see what interests you? Your request for "beginner stuffs" is a bit broad! I will say this- I remember using a fairly inexpensive delay pedal with a "hold" function that gave me a good taste of looping many years ago- way before I knew what "looping" was- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Laurent [mailto:la.forge@worldonline.be] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 11:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: New member Hello, Please I would like to loop, what are "beginner" stuffs? Laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 03:02:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06462; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:02:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.cdd5a30b.25738c1e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:58:22 EST Subject: Re: splitting a guitar signal? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"u-aY13.0.YV1.Q9ZGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The cheapest solution is a Signalflex SF-DAB. It is an "AB" Box that instead of switching between A&B it has an ON /OFF switch for A&B (with LED indicators!). It also has an aux. (always on) output that could be used for a tuner OR an always on connection to an amp with the A&B going to (2) loopers (for example). Sometimes you will rune into bizArre impedance problems this way. I' m sure some of our resident rocket scientists can comment on that. You could also consider a Stereo Volume/Pan Pedal.... A more expensive solution would be the Digital Music Corp. Mix Plus (I think that's what it is called) that will take care of impedance problems. There are two versions (one is MIDI controlled)...check their website www.voodoolab.com in the "Ground Control" section. ALSO, I have a lead on a guy that was (WAS) building (1) IN (4) OUT splitters that corrected impedance, phase flip and ground lift on every ch., and a volume setting for each ch., AND a separate footswitch (it is a half-rack space) for under $200. I hear he has between 5 and 10 left (he also made a TUBE model). As soon as I hear some news I will post it! John Painter flemingandjohn.com In a message dated 11/28/99 6:21:36 PM, shindler@mediaone.net writes: << Hi gang. This should be pretty simple for y'all to answer... I want to split my guitar signal and run it into two delay pedals so I can have two independent loops running against each other. What do I need to get in order to send the signal in two different directions? If there's more than one way, what's the cheapest solution? Thanks. Peter >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 03:41:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13388; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:41:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:41:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:34:04 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Echoplex repair time In-reply-to: To: Doug Lawrence , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"BqjM4.0.b33.JiZGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yer getting all riled for nothing there Doug, sorry for the confusion. I wasn't saying *you* were full of BS, and I don't think that's what Travis was saying either. Triple S is what we were talking about. It's absurd that they would spend 4 months trying to fix something as relatively simple as the echoplex hardware. You could replace every part on the PCB in less than a day, if you needed to, and maybe spend a couple more for test and burn in, tops. In fact, I'm trying to help you out. That's why I got involved and contacted Gibson to make sure something was changed here. I don't understand why nobody ever contacted me if they had an echoplex problem they couldn't figure out, since we do make ourselves available to Gibson just for that sort of thing. And Gibson people were surprised that you had waited this long. So I'm trying to make sure that whatever is wrong with your's gets fixed quickly, and that in the future these guys don't sit on problems like this forever, and if they can't figure out something, they know where to get help. happy? sorry you thought I was after you. kim >Kim et al- > >This is a really unfair attack on me by saying I'm lying on this public >forum without checking any facts ... please do not ~ASSUME~ that I did not >contact Gibson or Mike Ayers about the status of my EDP while it has been in >for repairs. I would have appreciated the consideration of checking with me >first! > >I have spoken to Mike Ayers several times and Triple S has worked with >Gibson directly as well. This EDP was not able to be repaired by Triple S >(on two occasions!) and they recommended that I send it back to Gibson >again. Gibson is not accepting EDP's for repairs, so I asked Triple S to >ship it back to me so I could wait until Gibson is. Mike Ayers said he would >try his best to get it in for warranty repair when Trace Elliot is ready ... >end-of-story. > >I'm not saying that Triple S can't repair some EDP problems, they just >couldn't fix mine. I was very patient with them while they were working on >it and spoke with them on several occasions regarding the issue. Now I'm put >into the position of having Gibson scold them because someone didn't check >facts. They will be really happy to work on any equipment I send them in the >future. > >Also, Kim, the first time this EDP was on the fritz, it was you who >recommended having U12, the ADC0804, replaced, which was the reason I sent >it back to Triple S to begin with. It seems that didn't fix the problem. > >No BS! > >Doug > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 09:17:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04938; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:17:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:17:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991129141122.50652.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.117] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: another millenium argument Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:11:22 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"U_Lh52.0.Xz.5deGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please stop infecting the loop site with politics. >From: "L Tremblay" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: another millenium argument >Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:59:09 -0500 > > >For a very authoritative opinion of the failure of the capitalist system, > >Don't you mean *authoritarian*? National Socialists and Fascists >hate capitalism, because it's based on brains rather than brawn; >merit instead of mediocrity. > >LT > >-----Original Message----- >From: Javier Miranda V. >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Saturday, November 27, 1999 2:49 PM >Subject: RE: another millenium argument > > > > For a very authoritative opinion of the failure of the capitalist >system, > >you would like to check these books out: > >*When Corporations Rule the World* by David C. Korten > >*The Post-Corporate World: Life After Capitalism* by David C. Korten > >*Globalizing Civil Society: Reclaiming Our Right to Power (Open Media > >Pamphlet Series, 4)* by David C. Korten > > You might also like to check this out: > >*Corporate Media and the Threat to Democracy (Open Media Pamphlet >Series)* > >by Robert W. McChesney > > You can pick them up at Amazon or BuyBooks.com. > > Bottom line: You are a better idea than capitalism. But only if you >wake > >up in time. > > > > | -----Original Message----- > > | From: L Tremblay [mailto:ltct@concentric.net] > > | Sent: Saturday 27 November 1999 10:44 AM > > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > | Subject: Re: another millenium argument > > | > > | > > | If you have a better idea than Capitalism I'd like to hear it. > > | I'm no fan of McDeath burgers, but don't blame capitalism. > > | The alternative is waiting in long lines for loaves of bread > > | or dying in a Socialist/Communist government-induced famine. > > | > > | - Larry > > | > > | > > | >You are absolutely right .There are much better alternatives > > | (for children > > | >as well) than eating a poisonous Big Mac in capitalist world kingdom >Mc > > | >Donalds.I am also an outsider! > > | > > > | > > > | >> >I think Greg is speaking from cultural conditioning. There > > | is a great > > | >deal > > | >> >of tortured and misshapen arguments and notions in the US. >Starting > > | from > > | >> >thinking that it's cool to use gallons instead of liters, > > | miles instead > > | >of > > | >> >kilometers, and that everybody in the Universe speaks English >(Star > > | >Trek). > > | >> >Same old argument, what's real? > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > | > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 10:10:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15261; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:10:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:10:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3842C013.94C6F3AC@node.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:04:03 -0800 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: peeploops/Echoplex x 1.1.2K? References: <199911241612.LAA04538@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"203LK2.0.9J3.CMfGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Re: peep sync, as opposed to MIDI-or-other-protocol-based slavery -- sometimes hominids looping simultaneous-like, unlinked but for affinity and proximity, works phenomenally well, and sometimes you jes' have to start over. Isn't that one of the coolest things about looping -- if at first, &c? In my early-90's loop ensemble, Vorticists, we took it as a given that we were going to engage wholly farkatke (Yiddish for "unwieldy") ratios of loops alongside loops and did we ever bring the m*&@#$f(@($+! ruckus, in lieu of locked start points. If I were playing MIDI sequences live, this sort of linkability would be more crucial than my standard M.O. of looping (seemingly) endless renditions of my transcription of "Eruption" for cor anglais and kick drum. But, you know, that's me... Now, please to be digging Gibson public relations' reply (finally) to my "whither Echoplex" post at their online forum. You will undoubtedly recall that, when we last left our hero product, the Trace Elliot division of Gibson had taken over its manufacture. When might there be a production date? Here's the reply: "Subject: Re: Echoplex? Topic: Guitar Questions Author: Relations@gibson.com Date: 11/26/99 18:46:44 Trace Elliot has informed me that they hope to have the new Echoplex out by the first of the year. They have been working very hard to source quality parts, and to make this version completely bug free. Believe, we're all exremely anxious to make the Echoplex available once again, and TE is busting their you-know-whats to get it out. However, they want to make sure it is going to be a top quality product, and they don't want to rush out something inferior just to get it on the market. We do appreciate everyone's patience, and everyone's eagerness to be able once again to have them on the market. cma" Hoo hah, he enthused. Anyone know anything more on this? _________________________________________________________________ ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < _________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 10:22:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17552; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:22:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:22:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b526d2a2.2573f1c3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:12:03 EST Subject: Re: splitting a guitar signal? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"siGnl1.0.-p3._VfGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check out the Kendrick ABC box. He even made me an ABCDEF box...to run several amps off one guitar input, in any combination... Regards, Wayne From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 11:28:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32234; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:28:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:28:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991129101518.0091a240@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:15:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: another misuse of "socialism" In-Reply-To: <19991129141122.50652.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LT1pG3.0.I67.mUgGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:11 AM 11/29/99 PST, you wrote: >>Don't you mean *authoritarian*? National Socialists and Fascists >>hate capitalism, because it's based on brains rather than brawn; >>merit instead of mediocrity. THAT'S ABSURD!!! The Nazis, who were socialist in name only (as a way to "sell" their idea to the masses) were absolutely capitalist. The huge war machine that they built in WWII made lots of German private military contractors filthy rich. Capitalism is based more on trickery and accumulated wealth than on "brains." Please stop misusing terms like socialist, etc. There's never been an authoritarian socialism that I know of. The USSR, etc., also misused the term. I would hardly call the Israeli Kibbutz, the Mondragon cooperatives, or Sweden's labor-friendly governance as "authoritarian." Michael ================================================================ Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Department of Social Sciences Texas A&M International University Laredo, TX 78041 U.S.A. Telephone: (956)326-2634 Office; (956)326-2464 FAX E-Mail myoder@tamiu.edu Web Page: http://tamiu.edu/~myoder/ ================================================================ "English ideas about property have given us both the Bill of Rights and the industrial slum." (Archibald C. Coolidge, Jr.) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 11:29:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00347; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:29:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:29:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: (off) spirit steinbergers Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:24:52 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <0.dc78b8ec.256700d2@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"kqIyW3.0.027.aSgGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Based on the www.musicyo.com reference on this list a couple weeks ago, I ordered one of the Steinberger Spirit XT-25 bass (which it currently looks like they are out of...based on their website. They are pretty good about taking out-of-stock items off the page. Which is more than I can say for a lot of web stores). Someone sent me email asking that I relate to the list what my experiences were with the purchase. Just a few days after placing my order online, I got an email saying it had shipping and with a URL to track the shipment. Using this, I was able to make sure I was home when the package arrived. The bass was in perfect condition when I unpacked it. The 'gig-bag' it ships with is pretty flimsy (not to be confused with a 'padded gig bag'), and the extra set of strings that were included were for the guitar....oh, well. The bass had a little bit of fret buzz when I first started playing it...but after a half hour or so, that went away and has not returned (temperature change? something heavy sitting on top of the box in the truck?...who knows). The action is fairly low (which I like), and the bass plays wonderfully. I can't compare it to the original graphite model...but I can say that it is well worth the money I paid for it. -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 11:08:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26857; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:08:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:08:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:56:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199911291556.KAA11249@sleepy.ebtech.net> X-Sender: stevens@mail.ebtech.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: stevens@ebtech.net (Jane/Mike Stevens) Subject: For sale ,EDP,JamMan,Vortex X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"0UiEM2.0.v96.ADgGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello I have the following for sale, EDP,with footpedal,latest software version,Max memory ,All original packaging and manual,some rack scars. Also a JamMan with Max memory ,foot pedal, original packaging and manual Also a Vortex with manual and foot pedal Please send offers/questions off list... Thankyou Mike Stevens stevens@ebtech.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 11:22:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29496; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:22:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:22:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:13:54 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, stanitarium@earthlink.net Subject: Re: splitting a guitar signal? Resent-Message-ID: <"bd9Be3.0.Ys6.IQgGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I remember the "Flo-Ho" was supposed to be a very invisible box according to it's many good reviews. Never used one and don't know where to find them either... Sorry. best, -Miko >>> "Stan Card" 11/28 7:57 PM >>> "Your tone will suffer" being the operative phrase in these replys to your splitter question! Over here @ "STANITARIUM" we have tried every splitter on this planet and if you are talking about a guitar signal,we have never found anything that doesn't in some way deterioate that signal.That said we remain humble in our search.When the word "cheap" enters into this CHEAP is what you get! Let your ears be the judge...always searching...STANNER ---------- >From: the Reverend Rob >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: splitting a guitar signal? >Date: Sun, Nov 28, 1999, 5:28 PM > > On or around 07:13 PM 11/28/99 -0500, Peter Shindler said: > >>I want to split my guitar signal and run it into two delay pedals so I can >>have two independent loops running against each other. What do I need to >>get in order to send the signal in two different directions? > > I don't know what pedals you're using, or if they have a direct out. If > they do, it's extremely simple. Run one direct/dry out into the next unit. > >> If there's more than one way, what's the cheapest solution? Thanks. > > The "cheapest" solution is to get a y-cable splitter and fork the signal. > Your tone, however, will likely suffer. Personally, I'd recommend a cheap > 4-track mixer or something equivalent to split the signal if your delay > units don't have a direct/dry out, or consider one of the a/b/a+b channel > switchers on the floor. > > Your mileage will vary; I use rack delays with dry outs, so I've never had > to contend with this. ;) > > == > the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob > ============================================================== > http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 11:55:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08011; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:55:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:55:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:38:42 -0600 Subject: EDP speculation--Sell now? From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"U_8Ux.0.Kt.0ngGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So, it would appear that EDPs will be shipping in about two months. Or thereabouts. So, anyone wanting to wring maximum dollars on Ebay should get moving quickly before the going price for a used unit goes down to $550 with footswitch. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 12:29:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16595; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:29:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:29:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE52@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: 16 second delay problem Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:15:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"yenhg2.0.mM3.DKhGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey . . . i wrote a private post to the original guy who wanted the info about the eh-16. i had researched this about 5 months ago and gave the info to my friend nels (who may have had a similar problem). i believe that he used it and got his eh-16 fixed by a guy in arizona. i can post to the whole group if necessary, i was just trying to keep the bandwidth down earlier. stig Well, I wrote the "Ronsound" guy and asked if he would fix an EH 16-sec Delay and this is what he said: << Sorry, I do not work on these items. Your best bet would be to contact Christian Landry at cjlandry@compassnet.com. He has more experience with these particular items. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 12:38:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19304; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:38:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:38:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE53@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: begin of millenium/plus effects Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:24:46 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"xmNzP.0.Lo3.hShGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We are born at age 0. ** i once read that in china people are considered to be one year old when they are born. is there any truth to this? someone mentioned time being a poorly measured item. there is a (semi-) new theory (just read about in l.a. times about a week ago) called string theory. it posits that time and space may be meaningless. the universe is made up of infinitesimally small strings that merge and unmerge (somehow reminding me of looping). there may or may not be cause and effect. there asre eleven dimensions, not four (graivity being a dimension). but then we all know that the measurement of time is just a construct that human beings made to deal with natural phenomenon - - right? someone mentioned using effects as an instrument. there is aguy doing just that in l.a. his name is art jarvinen. he's a percussionist/composer who also does this thing with a bunch of stomp boxes feeding back into each other . . . and he manipulates the knobs to change the sound. no input device. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 12:38:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19309; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:38:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:38:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.7c34e8f5.25741219@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:30:01 EST Subject: Re: 1 million hits To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"f0EZc3.0.P94.OXhGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/29/99 12:44:34 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << Well, we finally crossed that big milestone. The Looper's Delight website had it's 1 millionth page-hit sometime last week! >> congrats kim, this is great!............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 12:58:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23755; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:58:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:58:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE54@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: OT: begin of millenium. Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:38:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"FASW61.0.jo4.wfhGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The roman empire ended, we changed about every rule... ** i think that it's interesting that so much of what the romans came up with still stands with us today. i'm sure a lot of you have seen that thing about how the space shuttle had to be a certain size to fit on railroad lines that are scaled because of roman chariot tracks. so much of what happened back at the end of that empire is still with us: the whole balkans situtation is very much linked to all the idiocay that went on between different parts of the roman empire; much the same could be said about the middle east, i'd wager. The europeans decided to count 24 hours, and they use 0 rather than 24. ** isn't this based on military time imposed at the end of ww2? Although in another post someone cited an old idea that with the inclusion of zero, the decline started, it might simply be progress (and the fear of it...) ? ** i just mentioned it because i thought it was funny and worth throwing into the whole millenia craze . . . stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 14:11:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06643; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:11:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:11:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: floyd@voicenet.com Date: 29 Nov 1999 18:09:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19991129180924.22178.qmail@unix01.voicenet.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: time Resent-Message-ID: <"ABRKh.0.gO6.n5iGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > ..... but then we > all know that the measurement of time is just a construct that human beings > made to deal with natural phenomenon - - right? > Actually, time plays a very important role in the universe. It keeps everything from happening all at once. And this is essential for music and, especially, looping. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 14:18:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08530; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:18:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:18:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE56@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: 1 million hits Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:16:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"t0dw73.0.yl6.ZDiGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Well, we finally crossed that big milestone. The Looper's Delight website > had it's 1 millionth page-hit sometime last week! ** are you sure that it really wasn't 999,999? you know how counting systems can be off. maybe you should've announced 1,000,001. :-) stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 14:42:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13688; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:42:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:42:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MyWarNerve@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6c45f67.257429c0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:10:56 EST Subject: Re: another misuse of "socialism" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"wHaSn.0.fe1.-_iGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com talk about off topic, c'mon pitbulls, let him have it From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 14:41:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13594; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:41:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:41:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.780f0379.25742ab9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:15:05 EST Subject: Re: RE: EDP Repair/MusicTek To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"xMHrD.0.Uu1.t3jGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/27/99 12:15:25 PM, clifsound@mediaone.net writes: > I really can't say how competent they are- but they did >save my old Tascam Porta One once b/c they had a replacement drive belt in >stock! Wheeee! ;)They are located at 12041 Burbank Blvd. N. Hollywood, Ca >(818)-506-8742. FYI: I've had satisfactory work from these guys, particularly the main dude, J.B. They have the reputation, therefore they are very busy most of the time. Replacing four older IC's on a Mutron Bi-Phase and a general once-over took about five weeks, and this was a RUSH order! I initially agreed to pay an extra $20 for a two week rush job, but it didn't get rushed so I didn't pay the $20. The repair ran $160 including the four IC's. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 15:08:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20390; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:08:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:08:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <0.7137fd6d.25742ed5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:32:37 EST Subject: digital errors? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 228 Resent-Message-ID: <"N4rBm1.0.wm2.zJjGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com after copying some of my improv stuff(looping)to cds ive noticed some peculiar stuff i only own copies of copies of my originals(the originals were on my HD but i erased them after i burned them)and the original copies i gave away to friends now i know in analog recording you hvae generation loss, and it can be substancial but ive noticed alot of digital errors now in the recordings, little clicks or skips, some are really noticable whats going on here?is it a problem of imperfect media(cdr's)or is something lost everytime?! a friend of mine told me once(i hardly listen to him)programs like WinDAC not being the best for copying digital audio that they go to fast(hence digital erros)?? and on another list somebody was talking about how his cd masters do not sound like the cd copies(in timbre) can that be possible if all thats being transfered is 1s and 0s? thanks rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 15:21:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24374; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:21:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:21:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01bf3aa4$c511f840$6c98adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: (off) spirit steinbergers Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:03:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RX-JA1.0.PY4.wkjGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com let me echo Mike's experiences with my Music Yo purchase . . . e-mail confimation of order e-mail confirmation of ship with tracking # carefully packed 4-string Steinie bass on my doorstep about 5 days later this is the kind of conduct I hope for and only occasionally receive from private party sales (mostly Loopers!) or even large companies with dedicated shipping and order departments drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Mike McGary To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 10:50 AM Subject: RE: (off) spirit steinbergers > >Based on the www.musicyo.com reference on this list a couple weeks >ago, I ordered one of the Steinberger Spirit XT-25 bass (which it >currently looks like they are out of...based on their website. >They are pretty good about taking out-of-stock items off the page. >Which is more than I can say for a lot of web stores). > >Someone sent me email asking that I relate to the list what my experiences SNIP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 15:22:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24518; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:22:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:22:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991129145250.007a92a0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:52:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: begin of millenium In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE53@migarexch01.maritz. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6pjfE1.0.5y3.LdjGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's a loopable sample from last night's X-Files: Scully: Actually, the millenium doesn't begin until January 1st, 2001. Mulder: No one likes a math geek, Scully. (Actual dialogue! I didn't make this up!) Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 15:13:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22015; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:13:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:13:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991129194839.72021.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.42] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: another misuse of "socialism" Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:48:38 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"e4D5p2.0.cq3.IZjGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Guys, you are on the wrong chat site. I'm sure you can find an authoritarian-naZis-socialist-fascist chat group...it's not interesting for those of us who come to loopers-delight for loop info. Please go away...Om and Out It's a tired boring thread, give it up!!! >From: "Michael S. Yoder" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: another misuse of "socialism" >Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:15:18 -0600 > >At 06:11 AM 11/29/99 PST, you wrote: > >>Don't you mean *authoritarian*? National Socialists and Fascists > >>hate capitalism, because it's based on brains rather than brawn; > >>merit instead of mediocrity. > >THAT'S ABSURD!!! The Nazis, who were socialist in name only (as a way to >"sell" their idea to the masses) were absolutely capitalist. The huge war >machine that they built in WWII made lots of German private military >contractors filthy rich. >Capitalism is based more on trickery and accumulated wealth than on >"brains." >Please stop misusing terms like socialist, etc. There's never been an >authoritarian socialism that I know of. The USSR, etc., also misused the >term. I would hardly call the Israeli Kibbutz, the Mondragon cooperatives, >or Sweden's labor-friendly governance as "authoritarian." > >Michael >================================================================ > >Dr. Michael S. Yoder >Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies >Department of Social Sciences >Texas A&M International University >Laredo, TX 78041 U.S.A. >Telephone: (956)326-2634 Office; (956)326-2464 FAX >E-Mail myoder@tamiu.edu >Web Page: http://tamiu.edu/~myoder/ >================================================================ > >"English ideas about property have given us both the Bill of Rights and the >industrial slum." (Archibald C. Coolidge, Jr.) > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 15:29:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26216; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:29:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:29:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002a01bf3aa5$78c5b160$6c98adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: EDP speculation--Sell now? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:08:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lWW3d.0.Qx4.YpjGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com actually, I'm hoping they'll appear on th MusicYo site for $289 fully expanded . . . ;) Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett To: Looper's Delight Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 11:19 AM Subject: EDP speculation--Sell now? >So, it would appear that EDPs will be shipping in about two months. Or >thereabouts. So, anyone wanting to wring maximum dollars on Ebay should get >moving quickly before the going price for a used unit goes down to $550 with >footswitch. > > >TH > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 15:41:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28854; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:41:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:41:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <039201bf3aa7$4a151bb0$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Reply-To: "Ken M" From: "Ken Melms" To: Subject: Re: time? Future? Past? Hmmmmmmmmmmm Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:21:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"7aTwh.0.pj5.X_jGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> ..... but then we >> all know that the measurement of time is just a construct that human beings >> made to deal with natural phenomenon - - right? >> > >Actually, time plays a very important role in the universe. >It keeps everything from happening all at once. >And this is essential for music and, especially, looping. > > (Foreword: YES.. I actually do mention looping somewhere in the body of this text :) (Super String theory is at least 10 years old at this point - I'll try and find the date of the theory's introduction.. My take on it is that everything in the universe is an energy harmonic. To exist, Energy must be oscillating at a frequency - these frequencies exists because the energy oscillates and creates it, and then interract with other frequencies in odd ways - repulsion, attraction and the other known universal laws of matter. In their smallest form - matter can be thought of as a wave of energy pulsating from ON to -ON ( 1 to -1 ) with no transition to 0 in the middle. It is either here -> or there <-. These tiny particles of oscillating energy (nuons, gluons etc.) either combine because of their freq's natural attraction, or repel for the same reasons to later combine with a frequency that it can co-exist.. Those that combine become the building blocks of atoms, and subsequently elements, and thus our physical universe is created. From nothing. To nothing, when all the harmonic energy runs out.) My take on time: (fwiw) Time being just a construct that allows the measurement of our natural world, the absence of "Time" would not cause all things to "happen at once". Since "Time" is just a logical abstraction based loosely on the concept of "Periods", generally astrologial, motion, or wave based. We then use the length of these "periods" to divide segments of our lives into "Time" periods.. Without a conscious mind to measure the periods, time would have no meaning in the universe. Things happen because they must, not because time tells them to. Space exists because it must, in order to hold matter. Matter exists because it must, in order to fill space. What does Time exist for? The universe doesn't calculate, or measure, in human terms. It doesn't need the concept of Time to work. Just a space to live in, and some matter to let effect each other. It has been proven over and over (time and again? ;) that space and time are not fixed entities. Curve one, and the other changes. This would not be, if Time were a "Dimension" of existence. If it were truly a dimension, then curving "time" should thus allow us to curve space - as one does to the other, so shall the other do to one. Explain to me how you would curve time? Curve space by introducing a large gravity well. Curve gravity by introducing a large mass.... Time would stay constant if you did not effect it in such ways, would it not? Unless it was simply a record keeper. A construct we use to mark the passing of the electrons through our minds, and the motion of the curving of space and gravity by their opposing forces. These forces are hard and fast laws of the universe, which will continue to hold true until we find a way to screw EVERYTHING up with our tiny one-track minds. But take a clock, and accellerate the clock to near-C speed, and the clock will seem to "Slow Down" because the flow of electrons at that speed becomes sluggish. The clock doesn't slow, just the perception of the clock in relativity to the rest of the universe. Our interpertation of the event is that "Time Slowed Down" at near-C speeds. The fact is that time never budged - being simply a construct of perceptions - but our ability to track "Time" under those conditions broke down. I forget her name, but a woman astrologist has a couple of albums out that she made by sampling the "periods" of certain glaxial phenomena. She then "Sped up" the periods to human-comprehendable periods, and added a bit of flavor to them. She called it "The Music Of the Universe" or something close to that.. Interesting to listen to - and certainly a cool looping idea. Except her samples were nature based and then just pitch/time shifted to fit our perceptions. Something completely impossible to do with any other construct of the human universe. How would you "Shift" the mass of an object without affecting the objects integrity? (Miniaturization - compression of the electron clouds to allow for more mass per sq/ft? Hmm..... Don't think so..) How would you "Shift" the gravity well, which caused the periods, which caused the suns, which caused the planets, which built galaxies? Shifted in such a way as to keep the "Essence" the same, but the gravity altered? (Reducing mass? That would alter the essence..) In conclusion: Time exists because WE need it to put our world into logical order. It is not a dimension of the universe itself, but simply a way to calculate, predict, and generalize upon the natural order of the universe. In conclusion of the conclusion: Loop your asses off! You think we have all the time in the world to argue about such nonsene?!?! Heheheheh K.M. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 15:29:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26174; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:29:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:29:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:43:10 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, floyd@voicenet.com Subject: Re: time Resent-Message-ID: <"Fnf2Y3.0.zw4.VpjGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: >> ..... but then we all know that the measurement of time is just a construct that human beings made to deal with natural phenomenon - - right? floyd@voicenet.com> > Actually, time plays a very important role in the universe. It keeps everything from happening all at once. And this is essential for music and, especially, looping. I didn't see a smiley there Floyd so I'm assuming your serious... I thought everything IS happening right NOW?! The rest is all a figment of our overactive imaginations... *-\ Although Phillip K. Dick has entertained me often with his convoluted plots involving time... I guess real time looping does amount to time travel in many ways... Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 16:20:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06148; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:20:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:20:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002301bf3aab$30beea20$d46fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: References: Subject: Re: Echoplex repair time Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:49:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"OigSV1.0.tz7.gXkGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "happy? sorry you thought I was after you." ah Kim, your so sweet. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 16:12:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03970; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:12:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:12:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001e01bf3aa7$8833aa60$0f32e9d4@lenclud> From: "Laurent" To: Subject: perhaps someone are using Atari Falcon here? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:19:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"kKxHs3.0.hM6.j7kGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I'm a happy atari user, I've got three of them 1040st, TT & the Falcon (of course). Does anyone know some interresting softs to use, except of Notator & Cubase... Get in touch, Laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 16:15:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04960; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:15:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:15:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <019601bf3aab$e6936060$22c756d1@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: another misuse of "socialism" Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:54:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"7U6KA3.0.or7.yUkGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, what he says. It's getting old. Fast. C -----Original Message----- From: David Potter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 12:47 PM Subject: Re: another misuse of "socialism" >Guys, you are on the wrong chat site. I'm sure you can find an >authoritarian-naZis-socialist-fascist chat group...it's not interesting for >those of us who come to loopers-delight for loop info. >Please go away...Om and Out It's a tired boring thread, give it up!!! > > >>From: "Michael S. Yoder" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: another misuse of "socialism" >>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:15:18 -0600 >> >>At 06:11 AM 11/29/99 PST, you wrote: >> >>Don't you mean *authoritarian*? National Socialists and Fascists >> >>hate capitalism, because it's based on brains rather than brawn; >> >>merit instead of mediocrity. >> >>THAT'S ABSURD!!! The Nazis, who were socialist in name only (as a way to >>"sell" their idea to the masses) were absolutely capitalist. The huge war >>machine that they built in WWII made lots of German private military >>contractors filthy rich. >>Capitalism is based more on trickery and accumulated wealth than on >>"brains." >>Please stop misusing terms like socialist, etc. There's never been an >>authoritarian socialism that I know of. The USSR, etc., also misused the >>term. I would hardly call the Israeli Kibbutz, the Mondragon cooperatives, >>or Sweden's labor-friendly governance as "authoritarian." >> >>Michael >>================================================================ >> >>Dr. Michael S. Yoder >>Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies >>Department of Social Sciences >>Texas A&M International University >>Laredo, TX 78041 U.S.A. >>Telephone: (956)326-2634 Office; (956)326-2464 FAX >>E-Mail myoder@tamiu.edu >>Web Page: http://tamiu.edu/~myoder/ >>================================================================ >> >>"English ideas about property have given us both the Bill of Rights and the >>industrial slum." (Archibald C. Coolidge, Jr.) >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 16:38:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10406; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:38:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:38:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:18:04 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Echoplex repair time Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"el-p62.0.SK1.NskGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >I'm not saying that Triple S can't repair some EDP problems, they just >couldn't fix mine. I was very patient with them while they were working on >it and spoke with them on several occasions regarding the issue. I offer email assistance to repair shops. It may speed up and improve the quality of the repair... so wherever you take your EDP, just give them my adress... I did this for the LOOP delay and it worked fine. It seams like tiny PARADIS offers a better assistance after their close down than Gibson after closing a division... sorry for this inconvenience with the EDP Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 16:45:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12313; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:45:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:45:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: RE: EDP speculation--Sell now? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:20:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002a01bf3aa5$78c5b160$6c98adce@satellite> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"0paCJ.0.NI1.prkGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Only they'll be called echoplicks, and some people will really like them for the cheap price, but other will grumble a bit. As far a speculation goes, the echoplex has been shipping 'in month or two' for the last fifteen years, or so I semm to recall. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Tom Lambrecht [mailto:hideo@concentric.net] Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 12:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP speculation--Sell now? actually, I'm hoping they'll appear on th MusicYo site for $289 fully expanded . . . ;) Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett To: Looper's Delight Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 11:19 AM Subject: EDP speculation--Sell now? >So, it would appear that EDPs will be shipping in about two months. Or >thereabouts. So, anyone wanting to wring maximum dollars on Ebay should get >moving quickly before the going price for a used unit goes down to $550 with >footswitch. > > >TH > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 16:42:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11569; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:42:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:42:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911290355.TAA05066@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <199911290355.TAA05066@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:22:21 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: splitting a guitar signal? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"mCx2m.0.qb1.LwkGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >> On or around 07:13 PM 11/28/99 -0500, Peter Shindler said: >> >>>I want to split my guitar signal and run it into two delay pedals so I can >>>have two independent loops running against each other. What do I need to > >>get in order to send the signal in two different directions? > > > The "cheapest" solution is to get a y-cable splitter and fork the signal. > Your tone, however, will likely suffer. The signal sufferes if you split the passive guitar signal. If you go through any rather modern effect box, it brings impedance down and you can easily split its output with a Y to several inputs. If you have some kind of a Overdub or freeze option on the delay pedals, you do not need to switch between the inputs of the two, but feed both all the time. So it only costs you an Y adapter or making an Y cable. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 16:26:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07709; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:26:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:26:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001101bf3aa5$340dd5c0$6c98adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: 1 million hits Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:06:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"3mtf_1.0.So4.nnjGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com with the wonderful resource you provide, I'm hardly surprised . . . and fuelled by the contributions of a nifty and diverse crew (hence the occasional love squabble)--I can't tell you how much I've learned here and on the Archive speaking of which and not to sound ungrateful--is it working yet? ;) drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 12:38 PM Subject: Re: 1 million hits >In a message dated 11/29/99 12:44:34 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, >kflint@annihilist.com writes: > ><< Well, we finally crossed that big milestone. The Looper's Delight website > had it's 1 millionth page-hit sometime last week! >> > >congrats kim, this is great!............michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 17:19:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20311; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:19:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:19:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.50461a83.25745059@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:55:37 EST Subject: Re: DL-4 vs. MPX100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"PLfhS2.0.Zj3.MQlGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I don't know much about the MPX100, but my > impression is that it's a more general multi-effects unit mpx100:- 5s delay (no feedback) 2.5s tap time looper ...but basically a multi-FX gentle flanges, chorus , +rotary excellent tremolo/pan (different waveforms) OK pitch shift echoes with patterns excellent reverbs SPDIF out Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 17:49:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26896; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:49:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:49:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.680941ad.2574505b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:55:39 EST Subject: Re: homemade, long delay tape player modification To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"44KZA3.0.Tn3.gRlGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > has anybody modified a regular home tape deck(with simul record/play > feature)to allow for really long delay times(no layering, as in > frippetronics > stuff) Karlheinz Stockhausen did this swap the heads round, from erase>rec>pb to pb>erase>rec then record on a tape loop. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 18:15:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32497; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:15:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:15:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:52:29 -0500 From: George McConnell Subject: tap delay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <015801bf3abc$6a691f00$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <0.50461a83.25745059@aol.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"h9Xte.0.2-6.pHmGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I am relatively new to the use of looping and delay and was wondering what is ment by a "tap delay" feature? Thanks, George From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 18:37:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05304; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:37:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:37:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Tiit Kikas" To: Subject: RE: perhaps someone are using Atari Falcon here? Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:14:14 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <001e01bf3aa7$8833aa60$0f32e9d4@lenclud> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"44k7u3.0.YE.vcmGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Laurent Go there too: http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/ Tiit Kikas tkikas@yahoo.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Laurent [mailto:la.forge@worldonline.be] > Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 10:20 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: perhaps someone are using Atari Falcon here? > > > Hello, > > I'm a happy atari user, I've got three of them 1040st, TT & the Falcon (of > course). Does anyone know some interresting softs to use, except > of Notator > & Cubase... > > Get in touch, Laurent > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 18:31:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04003; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:31:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:31:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Tiit Kikas" To: Subject: RE: perhaps someone are using Atari Falcon here? Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:03:54 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <001e01bf3aa7$8833aa60$0f32e9d4@lenclud> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"Sc_Me.0.Eb7.ITmGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Laurent! Lot of interesting Atari Falcon stuff here: www.titan-bss.co.uk I also have one Atari Falcon for sale. It's in perfect condition and included Cubase Audio, Cab, Magic & some more. A powerful tool for music recording. Tiit Kikas tkikas@yahoo.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Laurent [mailto:la.forge@worldonline.be] > Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 10:20 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: perhaps someone are using Atari Falcon here? > > > Hello, > > I'm a happy atari user, I've got three of them 1040st, TT & the Falcon (of > course). Does anyone know some interresting softs to use, except > of Notator > & Cubase... > > Get in touch, Laurent > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 18:52:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08817; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:52:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:52:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.95e350a7.257466ba@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:31:06 EST Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"JE_pd3.0.h11.vpmGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << >I've always wanted to know: what are "bucket brigade" components??? >> pre-digital sampling. these chips contain a whole load of capacitors (typically 512 or 1024 they take a sample by storing a voltage on a capacitor. then at each clock cycle the 'sample' is passed along to the next capacitor along. at the end of the chain the signal is recreated. a kind of analogue sampling which was used for audio delays. by accepting a low bandwidth and with multiple chips you could have an echo unit. or more commonly a flanger (EH etc) being non-digital these devices are actually quite easy to modify for bizarre sounds, although the sound quality is a bit basic. just like when 'brigades' of folks try to put out a fire by passing along 'buckets' of water. ...well ...someone did ask Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 19:34:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17822; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:34:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:34:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001801bf3ac7$a11e8ca0$e0cb56d1@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: tap delay Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:11:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"errTN.0.k13.zOnGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi George- Tap delay referres to a feature allowing you to "tap" your own rhythm into a delay/ looper to set the delay time as you want it- you may use your foot or your finger depending on the hardware (stomp box etc) you have and it basically allows you to set the delay to the time you want- if you are playing to music at a certain tempo you can tap that tempo into your delay and voila! the delay matches the tempo- If you you tap quickly you get a quick delay (smaller "room" sound) If you wait longer between taps you get a longer delay (larger "room" sound) Cliff -----Original Message----- From: George McConnell To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 3:23 PM Subject: tap delay >Hi, I am relatively new to the use of looping and delay and was wondering >what is ment by a "tap delay" feature? > >Thanks, > >George > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 20:33:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32759; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:33:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:33:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991129171739.015227e0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:17:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: Re: tap delay In-Reply-To: <001801bf3ac7$a11e8ca0$e0cb56d1@cliff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_Ao-Z2.0.Q17.YIoGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com George - don't confuse tap-tempo with delay taps (as in multi-tap delay where you set the interval of each repeat of the input signal). sean From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 21:57:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17277; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:57:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:57:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006801bf3adb$9925bfa0$b5ceaec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <0.7137fd6d.25742ed5@aol.com> Subject: Re: digital errors? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:35:37 -0800 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"B-3zq3.0.LG3.KXpGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I too have experienced periodic pops and clicks in my CD copies. I believe it is relative to speed, system resource usage, and medium. When I made copies off of CD's via my old CD-ROM which was 8X speed, I experienced lots of annoying pops. Since I've upgraded to 36X speed, I've experienced far better performance. Also, when I converted my music to Wav. files and burned to CDR, I again experienced pops. Since I upgraded RAM, the problem has lessened. As for medium, I had horrible experiences with lesser named CDR like "Smart and Friendly". Out of 10, I had 5 CD's that had errors when I tried to format (data) to be CD-ROM readable. Thus, I can only read them via my recorder. I've had pretty good fortune with TDK. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 11:32 AM Subject: digital errors? > after copying some of my improv stuff(looping)to cds ive noticed some > peculiar stuff > i only own copies of copies of my originals(the originals were on my HD but i > erased them after i burned them)and the original copies i gave away to friends > now i know in analog recording you hvae generation loss, and it can be > substancial > but ive noticed alot of digital errors now in the recordings, little clicks > or skips, some are really noticable > whats going on here?is it a problem of imperfect media(cdr's)or is something > lost everytime?! > a friend of mine told me once(i hardly listen to him)programs like WinDAC not > being the best for copying digital audio > that they go to fast(hence digital erros)?? > and on another list somebody was talking about how his cd masters do not > sound like the cd copies(in timbre) > can that be possible if all thats being transfered is 1s and 0s? > > thanks > > rodrigo > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 22:07:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19638; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:07:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:07:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991130024721.73869.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cd duplication Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:47:21 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"NCEUQ1.0.-q3.ohpGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If there isn't someone offering that service in the local independent newspaper ads, then you'd probably have some luck just puting an ad up at your local music store or indie record store. Chances are, there's some guy (or lady) near you who has a CD burner, and could use a few xtra bucks. Just make sure you keep a copy of your master and pay on delivery. I know of a few professional duplicators that will do some small duplications (down to 1 CD). Unfortunately, as the run gets smaller with them, the price per CD goes up exponentially. It gets to be as much as $16 per CD for tiny runs. On the other hand, a friend of mine in San Diego shelled out the money for a music oriented computer a few years ago. He got a big hard drive, nice sound card, CD burner, etc... He then combined it with his existing recording equipment (8 track, mixer,& monitors). Once he learned how to use it, he was able to quit his job and make a living for himself mastering and producing CD's for other artists. Mr. Tough >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: cd duplication >Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:43:21 EST > >is there a service anywhere that does small run cd duplication, as small as >25 copies?............thanks............michael > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 22:32:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25911; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:32:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:32:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <048001bf3ae0$f217e200$0100a8c0@Hewlettpackard> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: Subject: Re: splitting a guitar signal/feelin' like Stevie Reich Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:13:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"eAQLa1.0.ZK5.X4qGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I settled on the cheapo solution- a Y-adapter from Radio Shack that cost me $3.49. I haven't noticed any serious sound degradation, but I'm not using anything even vaguely professional anyway. I did look at the Morley switcheroo pedal; it looks nice but I can't justify spending $40+ on that right now. Anyhoo, I've just been playing with my new setup, which now features 2 DOD DFX94 sampler pedals, the new one courtesy of Mr Biffle below. Setting 'em up with 2 different delay times and listening to the loops going in and out of phase is as much fun as I thought it would be! Also listening to Orbital's "In Sides" and realizing how much I have to learn about drum programming... Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Biffle To: ; Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 11:13 AM Subject: Re: splitting a guitar signal? > I remember the "Flo-Ho" was supposed to be a very invisible box > according to it's many good reviews. Never used one and don't know > where to find them either... Sorry. > > best, > -Miko > > >>> "Stan Card" 11/28 7:57 PM >>> > "Your tone will suffer" being the operative phrase in these replys to > your > splitter question! Over here @ "STANITARIUM" we have tried every > splitter on > this planet and if you are talking about a guitar signal,we have > never > found anything that doesn't in some way deterioate that signal.That > said we > remain humble in our search.When the word "cheap" enters into this > CHEAP is > what you get! Let your ears be the judge...always > searching...STANNER > > ---------- > >From: the Reverend Rob > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: splitting a guitar signal? > >Date: Sun, Nov 28, 1999, 5:28 PM > > > > > On or around 07:13 PM 11/28/99 -0500, Peter Shindler said: > > > >>I want to split my guitar signal and run it into two delay pedals > so I can > >>have two independent loops running against each other. What do I > need to > >>get in order to send the signal in two different directions? > > > > I don't know what pedals you're using, or if they have a direct > out. If > > they do, it's extremely simple. Run one direct/dry out into the > next unit. > > > >> If there's more than one way, what's the cheapest solution? > Thanks. > > > > The "cheapest" solution is to get a y-cable splitter and fork the > signal. > > Your tone, however, will likely suffer. Personally, I'd recommend > a cheap > > 4-track mixer or something equivalent to split the signal if your > delay > > units don't have a direct/dry out, or consider one of the a/b/a+b > channel > > switchers on the floor. > > > > Your mileage will vary; I use rack delays with dry outs, so I've > never had > > to contend with this. ;) > > > > == > > the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob > > ============================================================== > > http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 22:31:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25587; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:31:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:31:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991130031053.25593.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: digital errors? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:10:53 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"PuWmr2.0.d65.u1qGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When you made multiple copies of the CD, did you create them all from your hard drive? Or did you create a 'master' CD and then copy them from that? I have Adaptec Easy CD Creator. I also have a program called CD Copier deluxe. Sometimes the latter program produces the errors that you described, so instead, I use Easy CD Creator for copying. I just pull the tracks from drive D (my CD rom) instead of my hard drive. Sometimes you can get that kind of digital error if you have the incorrect file types. My CD's come from .wav files on my hard drive and turn into .cda files on my CD's. A friend had problems when the CD burning program turned the .wav files into some different file type. Sorry, but I don't know much more about this. Sometimes bad processing programs can produce these errors too. Try a before & after listen when running tracks through normalizers, noise reducers, or clip correction programs. You're right, when you're copying CD's, duplicates should sound exactly like the master, regardless of the quality of the CDR. You might want to make sure your CD copying program isn't trying to "correct" the audio between CD1 and CD2(by running a normalizer or something). CDR quality supposedly reflects 2 aspects: 1) How long the CD lasts, since CDR's are made with organic burnable material. 2)The percentage of CD's that are 'duds', or aren't recordable at all. I've been using the cheapest CD's with impunity. Who knows if my masters are going to degrade in 2 years or 10 years though. (Anyone know how long CDR's are supposed to last?) Mr. Tough >From: Kriist@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: digital errors? >Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:32:37 EST > >after copying some of my improv stuff(looping)to cds ive noticed some >peculiar stuff >i only own copies of copies of my originals(the originals were on my HD but >i >erased them after i burned them)and the original copies i gave away to >friends >now i know in analog recording you hvae generation loss, and it can be >substancial >but ive noticed alot of digital errors now in the recordings, little clicks >or skips, some are really noticable >whats going on here?is it a problem of imperfect media(cdr's)or is >something >lost everytime?! >a friend of mine told me once(i hardly listen to him)programs like WinDAC >not >being the best for copying digital audio >that they go to fast(hence digital erros)?? >and on another list somebody was talking about how his cd masters do not >sound like the cd copies(in timbre) >can that be possible if all thats being transfered is 1s and 0s? > >thanks > >rodrigo > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 22:58:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32201; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:58:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:58:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d08d027a.2574a052@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:36:50 EST Subject: Re: digital errors? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 228 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ey3q.0.hh6.XQqGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i first convert them the audio to wav file with WinDAC from an audio cd version(my HD is too small to just have a whole CDs worth of stuff just sitting there, especially since ihave alot of htem) then using the CD creator, i burn it to a cd before, i use to lose alot of cds(that wouldnt play at all)but i adjusted some of the properties and it burns fine so far(besides the clicks) now ive gone through so many generations its hard to tell wether i just had a bad recording once and the clicks are just being copied all the time, or everytime i do it, it gets worse and since the music itself is rather sparse, and repetative(looping)its not like i can listen and remember where the clicks are at as far as the main cd on which ive noticed this, ive come to enjoy the clicks each one cuts out a certain amount of the audio, so there are things on there that i couldnt do on my own i just dont want this to happen to another cd where this would not be desireable rodrigo << When you made multiple copies of the CD, did you create them all from your hard drive? Or did you create a 'master' CD and then copy them from that? >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 23:04:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01230; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:04:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:04:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:44:56 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: In Pittsburgh Sat Night... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Ko0IJ3.0.L47.KXqGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We (The Dark Aether Project) will be performing at Millvale Industrial Theater (http://mit.telerama.com/) located at 2100 East Ohio Street in Pittsburgh PA (Millvale area) on Saturday, December 4th 1999. Showtime is 8pm. Admission is $10 for this all ages show. See http://pprs.tsx.org/ for more details. Also on the bill are our friends Discipline from Michigan. No loops, but nice dark prog ala Van Der Graaf Generator with lots of Hammond & Mellotron. You can check 'em out at http://www.strungoutrecords.com/ For those who've not received my gig spam (yummy!) before... The Dark Aether Project features Adam Levin (Warr 8 String Touch Guitar/Keyboards/Loops), Ray Weston (Vocals), Allen Brunelle (Drums/Percussion/Keyboards/Vocals) and Steev Geest (Guitar/Guitar Synth/Loops). Their music has been described as "..intense and blistering...amazing loops and shimmering textures that are at once haunting and dreamlike...worthy of attention." by Expose. The Dark Aether Project will perform in support of their latest album _Feed The Silence_ of which Progression writer Larry Nai writes: "Dark Aether Project hits a lot of progressive rock pleasure points with Feed the Silence, but make no mistake: this is not another derivative band with little new to say...this is an absolutely fabulous album." You'll also get a preview of brand new material in the works for their next CD. See http://www.DarkAether.Net/ Directions: Approaching from anywhere in the East End of Pittsburgh or Downtown: Turn onto 40th St from Liberty, Penn or Butler Ave Cross the 40th St Bridge and then turn left on 28 South After about 500 feet turn right into the 2nd main driveway of the Millvale Industrial Park Coming from 376 East or West (known to locals as "the Parkway"): Take the Grant St exit downtown - Grant merges with Liberty at the bus station Continue on Liberty till you turn on 40th, then follow directions above. Approaching from the North Hills: Take 28 North to the Millvale exit Loop around and get back on 28 South After passing the 40th St Bridge, turn into the Industrial Park. >From Route 8 or points Northeast (Blawnox, New Kensington etc): Get on 28 South after passing the 40th St Bridge, turn into the Industrial Park If you're taking a bus, all the "1" lines (1A, 1D, 1F, etc) run past the MIT on Route 28, stopping almost across the highway -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 23:06:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01473; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:06:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:06:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: time Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:46:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <19991129180924.22178.qmail@unix01.voicenet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"scMop1.0.c77.qYqGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, I've read that somewhere else, keep "everything from happening all at once." "Time is on my side, yes it is..." | -----Original Message----- | From: floyd@voicenet.com [mailto:floyd@voicenet.com] | Sent: Monday 29 November 1999 10:09 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: time | | Actually, time plays a very important role in the universe. | It keeps everything from happening all at once. | And this is essential for music and, especially, looping. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 29 22:56:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31403; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:56:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:56:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: 1 million hits Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:35:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE56@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"h6sJ81.0.2d6.JPqGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The million-hit mark is cool as a marker-- and a great marker (congratulations Kim and all the Loopers). However, if you're going to start counting the second million, you're going to start at 1,000,001, just as the first million started at 1. | -----Original Message----- | From: Liebig, Steuart A. [mailto:LiebigSA@Maritz.com] | Sent: Monday 29 November 1999 10:17 AM | To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' | Subject: RE: 1 million hits | | | | > Well, we finally crossed that big milestone. The Looper's | Delight website | > had it's 1 millionth page-hit sometime last week! | | ** are you sure that it really wasn't 999,999? you know how | counting systems | can be off. maybe you should've announced 1,000,001. | | | :-) | | | stig | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 00:33:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21991; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:33:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:33:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jpw77@together.net Message-ID: <384314E2.6E49@together.net> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:05:54 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 16 second delay problem References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE52@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sZwCt1.0.i53.8erGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I contacted Christian Landry and he said he would work on my 16 sec. His turnaround time is three months at the moment though so I'll think I'll look around some more. He could go on the repair tech list as someone who'll brave the innards of these beasts Jon Williams From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 00:41:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25170; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:41:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:41:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.9cc3721b.2574b528@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:05:44 EST Subject: Re: digital errors? (CD Dupes) OT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"T0mf72.0.6W3.ejrGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alot of Hi-Speed Dupers will advertise 8X write speed, but they are always more accurate when you select a slower speed (Adaptec Toast has this as an option). One machine in particular that I used (can't remember the name) would copy straight from a master CD to (8) copies....it also had in internal hard drive (1 Gig). We were getting an occasionally unplayable CD and after numerous tech support calls we spoke to the guy that actually built it (like on the Looper's Delight List!!). He explained that errors when READING at Hi-Speed from the master were then compounded when WRITTEN at Hi-Speed to the copies, often adding up to unrecoverable errors. When you play a CD, you are constantly hearing errors that are being rounded off by Error Correction Codes. Digital Copies are NOT identical....even on very expensive equipment. We found that sticking to BASF, Quantegy or Mitsui Gold (they actually make alot of BASF and Quantegy CD's) gave much better results than the cheap CD's you get for $10 for a 10 pack! Surprise..... John Painter flemingandjohn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 00:44:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25938; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:44:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:44:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Bizurko@aol.com Message-ID: <0.cc43d472.2574b8d9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:21:29 EST Subject: Re: EDP speculation--Sell now? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"xV0Yj2.0.9T4.MyrGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mr Harnett, I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain the dynamics of supply and demand to you, but I will gladly pay you $550 for YOUR Echoplex. I'll even pay shipping. Yours, David Burk Minneapolis, MN From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 03:48:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25869; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:48:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:48:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.87966cf3.2574e5d3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:33:23 EST Subject: Cool Repair Dude in Nashville (EH etc...) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"8e-Sh.0.lr5.FmuGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com His name is Kye Kennedy, and he only works on things that he thinks "deserve to live"! He has done alot of tech work for me and is the most anal, perfectionist tech in the world (ok ...in the south). He knows LOTS about EH pedals, and generally anything else I ask him about. Here's his email: kyeken@earthlink.net John Painter flemingandjohn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 03:48:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25903; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:48:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:48:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38424783.3F8F04DD@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:29:39 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: feedback matrix loops References: <0.d699540e.257385b3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aT7Rh.0.Gj4.UMuGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com if you have a pentiumII pc you could always use the matrix mixer in the audiomulch software ... that's great fun! there's a load of fx (decimators, granulators, phasers, doppler spatializers etc.) available there, too. otherwise, you could start with a little mackie mixer: put your fx in aux-sends, run the aux returns through normal (i.e. with aux sends on them) channel strips and away you go. hey, you've probably figured this out by now and you've got every dog in your neighbourhood bellowing at your front door ... and your girlfriend/wife is going to leave you if she hasn't already ... "you call that music?" i think mr. myers was using custom equipment, no? later, rob Kriist@aol.com schrieb: > > > ive spent alot of time browsing David Myers page (pulsewidth)this weekend and > have taken a keen interest in this idea > this have the fun time i had last week taking the out from my stereo > delay/reverb pedal back into the input and getting a world of sounds(then > again, that pedal is broken anyhow so it makes a world of sounds on its own) > what sort of commercial mixers(pref rack mountable)come close to the ideal > matrix? > i suppose just lots of aux and routing capabilities? > > rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 04:29:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA00495; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:29:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:29:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38438A49.CC5E4820@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:26:49 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: another misuse of "socialism" References: <0.6c45f67.257429c0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"24ade.0.rc7.0PvGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com but my pitbull prefers the taste of guitarists with tight bluejeans talking about the thinness of their strings ... i better run now, rob MyWarNerve@aol.com schrieb: > > > talk about off topic, c'mon pitbulls, let him have it From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 05:17:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09253; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:17:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:17:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: McMorrough_James/londres_sistemas@sinvest.es X-OpenMail-Hops: 2 Priority: Urgent Importance: High Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:06:50 +0000 Message-Id: Subject: RE: digital errors? MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: Kriist@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-0cdd3c76-00000001" Resent-Message-ID: <"N2xQs3.0.R12.OCwGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --openmail-part-0cdd3c76-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="BDY.RTF" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="BDY.RTF" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mmm, He's right you know, as far as I know you should ALWAYS copy audio CD's at single speed, the spoddy reason for this is that CD audio is unsynchronised data. Data cd's on the other hand have checksums which the drive uses to tell whether it read the data correctly or not, so with data it keeps reading that part of the disk until it gets it right,= and then it writes it to the target, but with audio it'll just read it, & then write whatever it thought it just read introducing errors, especially if you multiply the speed up. Here's a suggestion=85=85Why don't you make a digital image, ie a datafi= le, of your CD with one of these CD creation programs & keep that as your master, then you can burn 1st Gen copies from here to eternity=85.. Banco Santander Central Hispano S.A. James McMorrough Systems Analyst/Developer Tel: (+44) 171 332 7475 E-mail: jmcmorrough.londres@sinvest.es -----Original Message----- From: Kriist [mailto:Kriist@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 7:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight Cc: Kriist Subject: digital errors? =20 after copying some of my improv stuff(looping)to cds ive noticed some =20 peculiar stuff i only own copies of copies of my originals(the originals were on my HD but i =20 erased them after i burned them)and the original copies i gave away to friends now i know in analog recording you hvae generation loss, and it can be =20 substancial but ive noticed alot of digital errors now in the recordings, little clicks =20 or skips, some are really noticable whats going on here?is it a problem of imperfect media(cdr's)or is= something =20 lost everytime?! a friend of mine told me once(i hardly listen to him)programs like= WinDAC not =20 being the best for copying digital audio that they go to fast(hence digital erros)?? and on another list somebody was talking about how his cd masters do not =20 sound like the cd copies(in timbre) can that be possible if all thats being transfered is 1s and 0s? =20 thanks =20 rodrigo --openmail-part-0cdd3c76-00000001-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 06:19:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19312; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:19:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:19:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002401bf3b24$2626c640$c59bb8d4@oemcomputer> To: "Loopers delight" References: <019601bf3aab$e6936060$22c756d1@cliff> Subject: Re: another misuse of "socialism" Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:12:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) Resent-Message-ID: <"0zPqd1.0.4V4.Z6xGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:11 AM 11/29/99 PST, you wrote: Don't you mean *authoritarian*? National Socialists and Fascists hate capitalism, because it's based on brains rather than brawn; merit instead of mediocrity. Capitalist and Communist they have both created poverty my blind friend! THAT'S ABSURD!!! The Nazis, who were socialist in name only (as a way to sell" their idea to the masses) were absolutely capitalist. And anyone trying to sell the Echoplex for outrageous prices and playing Wall Street in this site is a capitalist tycoon. Take it somewhere else! I am not a Capitalist nor a Communist, i am a Guitarrist!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 07:37:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01133; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:37:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:37:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MyWarNerve@aol.com Message-ID: <0.81191042.25751d5b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:30:19 EST Subject: Re: another misuse of "socialism" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"z50td1.0.3y7.MEyGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yeah, you better From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 08:30:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10651; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:30:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:30:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:23:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: RE: digital errors? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id IAA09347 Resent-Message-ID: <"51UGI2.0.II2.Y-yGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On writing data CDRs (including burning music via computer--Toast, Jam, etc.): material I have read indicates that 2X speed is always preferred, and is even more reliable than 1X speed. Though I don't know a checksum from my ass, my experience bears this out, and a co-worker at my job who burns CDRs all day agrees. For whatever it's worth. David Myers >Mmm, He's right you know, as far as I know you should ALWAYS copy audio >CD's at single speed, the spoddy reason for this is that CD audio is >unsynchronised data. Data cd's on the other hand have checksums which >the drive uses to tell whether it read the data correctly or not, so >with data it keeps reading that part of the disk until it gets it right, >and then it writes it to the target, but with audio it'll just read it, >& then write whatever it thought it just read introducing errors, >especially if you multiply the speed up. > >Here's a suggestion……Why don't you make a digital image, ie a datafile, >of your CD with one of these CD creation programs & keep that as your >master, then you can burn 1st Gen copies from here to eternity….. > > >Banco Santander Central Hispano S.A. >James McMorrough >Systems Analyst/Developer >Tel: (+44) 171 332 7475 >E-mail: jmcmorrough.londres@sinvest.es From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 08:21:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09285; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:21:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:21:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.d699540e.257385b3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:16:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: feedback matrix loops Resent-Message-ID: <"uUPCV2.0.H02.7uyGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >ive spent alot of time browsing David Myers page (pulsewidth)this weekend and >have taken a keen interest in this idea >this have the fun time i had last week taking the out from my stereo >delay/reverb pedal back into the input and getting a world of sounds(then >again, that pedal is broken anyhow so it makes a world of sounds on its own) >what sort of commercial mixers(pref rack mountable)come close to the ideal >matrix? >i suppose just lots of aux and routing capabilities? > >rodrigo >i think mr. myers was using custom equipment, no? > >later, >rob Using a commercial mixer can open up some additional possibilities for matrixing, like having EQ on every channel, but the problem is in finding one with more than two aux sends at a good price. As far as I can see, the Mackie 1604 is about as cheap as you can go to get 4 sends, pretty much a minimum in my book for real Feedback Music. Building a small mixer is the way to go; not long ago I made a mono mixer with seven channels and seven sends, which is very useful. But be warned that building mixers is a boring, seemingly thankless task. Until you get feedbackin, that is! It's simple, if you can bear it--see Craig Anderton's Electronic Projects for Musicians. Good luck. David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 08:29:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10636; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:29:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:29:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.7137fd6d.25742ed5@aol.com> References: <0.7137fd6d.25742ed5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:22:35 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: digital errors? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"Rd8Pf.0.cI2.b-yGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >after copying some of my improv stuff(looping)to cds ive noticed some >peculiar stuff >i only own copies of copies of my originals(the originals were on my HD but i >erased them after i burned them)and the original copies i gave away to friends >now i know in analog recording you hvae generation loss, and it can be >substancial >but ive noticed alot of digital errors now in the recordings, little clicks >or skips, some are really noticable >whats going on here?is it a problem of imperfect media(cdr's)or is something >lost everytime?! >a friend of mine told me once(i hardly listen to him)programs like WinDAC not >being the best for copying digital audio >that they go to fast(hence digital erros)?? >and on another list somebody was talking about how his cd masters do not >sound like the cd copies(in timbre) >can that be possible if all thats being transfered is 1s and 0s? I had softwares that did not read correctly from CDs to HD. This seams to be a difficult task. Now I use Toast Extractor (Mac) and find it marvelous. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 08:59:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16400; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:59:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:59:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:33:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: time Resent-Message-ID: <"4oqHq.0.kp2.08zGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Time is the Big Question, and holds the key to more than we can possibly imagine; I've been obsessed with it since childhood, gobbling up every book, movie, etc., that I've been able to find which deals with it. For anyone interested, IMO the best book by far is "Living Time" by Maurice Nicoll. Tough to find, but well worth it. And don't anyone dare call this off topic! David Myers >"Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: >>> ..... but then we all know that the measurement of time is just a >construct that human beings made to deal with natural phenomenon - - >right? > >floyd@voicenet.com> >> Actually, time plays a very important role in the universe. It >keeps everything from happening all at once. And this is essential for >music and, especially, looping. > >I didn't see a smiley there Floyd so I'm assuming your serious... I >thought everything IS happening right NOW?! The rest is all a figment >of our overactive imaginations... *-\ Although Phillip K. Dick has >entertained me often with his convoluted plots involving time... > >I guess real time looping does amount to time travel in many ways... > >Best Regards, >Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com >"Running scared from all the usual distractions..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 09:43:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25667; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:43:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:43:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911301427.GAA24021@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:27:03 -0600 Subject: Re:Supply/Demand Lesson #542 From: "Tiktok World HQ" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nLXar1.0.WS5.TxzGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mr. Burke, No problem. I only use my own shipping company, and with their handling and insurance surcharges your total bill will be $3500 (money orders only, thank you). It'll also take "about two months" for it to arrive. TH ---------- > > Mr Harnett, > I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain the dynamics of supply and > demand to you, but I will gladly pay you $550 for YOUR Echoplex. I'll even > pay shipping. > > Yours, > David Burk > Minneapolis, MN From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 09:48:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27371; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:48:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:48:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <03dd01bf3b38$8e108d40$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Digital Performer POLAR Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:41:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Z4d763.0.EH3.JHzGu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >NO! not a single tiny possibility? through MIDI or so?? hard... >I just looked for news on MOTU pages and could not find anything... Well, we certainly couldn't find a way, either with or without MIDI. Frankly, I was surprised by this lack of capability. But it's similar to the reaction I get from some music store people when I describe tap tempo - "Why would you want to do that?" Clueless!! >is it a plug in or part of the main program? part of the main program >Does your friend use a hardware interface to the Mac and Digital >Performer....I have coupls of digital echoplexes and a boomerang for >live.....haven't been able to get into the POLAR yet.......but sounds fun. >Being interested to know what kind if any hardware interface he uses. I asked my friend if he used a hardware interface or not. His answer, "There are several hardware interfaces you can use, but you can also use Apple's Sound Manager." Not too specific. Hope this helps. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 09:49:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27392; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:49:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:49:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991130093910.007b1280@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:39:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: feedback matrix loops In-Reply-To: References: <0.d699540e.257385b3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QNWfm3.0._A6.C7-Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Something like an Alesis 1622 would probably work pretty well. When I was board shopping, I was trying to find one, but ended up with a Spirit which has made itself quite at home in my rig. Still, six sends would be nice... Here's a 1622 on eBay: Tim At 08:16 AM 11/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >Using a commercial mixer can open up some additional possibilities for >matrixing, like having EQ on every channel, but the problem is in finding >one with more than two aux sends at a good price. As far as I can see, the >Mackie 1604 is about as cheap as you can go to get 4 sends, pretty much a >minimum in my book for real Feedback Music. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 09:57:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29041; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:57:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:57:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911301450.JAA15174@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:52:01 -0400 Subject: socialism is dead and you could never have the nice looping tools you have if you lived in a socialist country From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Qe8UZ2.0.4l6.MH-Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com socialism has failed in all respects. it was a nice utopian idea... but that is all it is and will ever be....anarchy on the other hand... c.white ps. france seems somewhat socialist and that country bites..expect for the art. :D ---------- >From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) >To: "Loopers delight" >Subject: Re: another misuse of "socialism" >Date: Tue, Nov 30, 1999, 7:12 AM > > > > >At 06:11 AM 11/29/99 PST, you wrote: >Don't you mean *authoritarian*? National Socialists and Fascists >hate capitalism, because it's based on brains rather than brawn; >merit instead of mediocrity. >Capitalist and Communist they have both created poverty my blind friend! > >THAT'S ABSURD!!! The Nazis, who were socialist in name only (as a way >to sell" their idea to the masses) were absolutely capitalist. > > >And anyone trying to sell the Echoplex for outrageous prices >and playing Wall Street in this site is a capitalist tycoon. Take it >somewhere else! >I am not a Capitalist nor a Communist, i am a Guitarrist!!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 10:00:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29917; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:00:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:00:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911301452.JAA15444@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:53:46 -0400 Subject: Re: feedback matrix loops+small mixer From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"d88sZ2.0.do6.zI-Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---------- How about a small 2 channel mixer with 4 sends that i can than hook up to my giant mixer.. i am thinking small scale here. how hard would that be to build? c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 10:08:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31394; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:08:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:08:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1Jr1 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:57:02 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Live Netcast Loop Show 2nd Dec. Resent-Message-ID: <"cuaLZ1.0.167.PN-Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I am organizing loop live gig, "The Art of Party" http://www.cavestudio.org/loopy/ We will live streaming by Real Video. We use Revox,Doepfer and Roland System700 modulars etc.. Meet you 2nd Dec. Reagrds Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 10:55:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08871; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:55:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:55:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:41:58 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: CD Pops and Ticks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"REzLO1.0._a1.w1_Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Several reasons exist for this: (1) Never copy CD data off of a CD-ROM drive for putting on a CD-R. always copy to a fast hard drive and burn from there. (2) Don't run unnecessary TSRs (Win) or Extensions (Mac) if you can help it. (3) If your CD-R drive is a SCSI device, make sure it's the last device in the chain or better yet, have it be the only device in the chain. (4) If you have lots of ram, devote at least 32 megs of it to the buffer used in your CD burning program. (5) Make sure your hard drive is defragmented before burning. You want a fast, smooth, uninterrupted flow of data from the drive to the CD-r. (6) If your source files sound fine, then you may be running into some program interfering with the flow of data from the hard disc to the cd-r drive. (7) If this is the case, exit all programs and leave the CD burning program running. (8) Turn off virtual memory and anything else that plays havoc with system level interrupts. (9) If you are running a Mac be sure and use the Motorola math-lib available for free at their site - this will let you get every bit of speed out of the machine. (10) Shut off all screen savers. (11) Win98 is, shall we say, unstable at times. For best results, you may wish to use 95. Your mileage may vary. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 11:19:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14287; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:19:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:19:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991130100548.009307c0@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:05:48 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: Re: Tack Piano In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991130093910.007b1280@pop.ici.net> References: <0.d699540e.257385b3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vEgcn.0.3-2.gR_Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear musicians, Does anyone know what a "Tack Piano" is? I'm sure I'm showing my ignorance here. I've seen reference to it twice on liner notes: Weather Report's "Mysterious Traveler" and the latest release by Stereolab. Sorry if this is "off-topic", but it's not as off-topic as all the socialist-bashing from yesterday! Y'all have a great day. Best, Michael =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 11:24:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15373; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:24:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:24:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:17:06 -0600 Subject: Re: Tack Piano From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19991130100548.009307c0@tamiu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SUhzj.0.hJ3.bY_Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As I recall, it's a piano with metal tacks attached to the sounding hammer-thingies [note official technical term] which actually strike the strings. This was often done to make the piano cut through the ambient noise of loud bars and other, uh, social establishments. TH > > Does anyone know what a "Tack Piano" is? I'm sure I'm showing my ignorance > here. I've seen reference to it twice on liner notes: Weather Report's > "Mysterious Traveler" and the latest release by Stereolab. > > Sorry if this is "off-topic", but it's not as off-topic as all the > socialist-bashing from yesterday! > > Y'all have a great day. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 11:54:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21609; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:54:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:54:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bf3b53$25ea4e20$685bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <3.0.1.32.19991129101518.0091a240@tamiu.edu> Subject: socialism? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:04:51 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"S18Tz.0.ts4.2z_Gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ''No political solutions'' it's my last and new cliche to avoid discusions about these because i been repeating the same arguments , listen the same problems and reaching the same solutions in ALL the bars, streets, clubs etcetc in various countries with diferent people, from diferent economic/social/political/ enviroment and i feeling VERY idiot for the time i lost to arrive allways to the same point: we must change our mind and spirit for ''global'' concience. Frank Zappa said the MBE (Master in Bussines Economy) it's the worst and most deplorable thing, one dominant culture (pseudo-culture) can impose over the people. Sorry about these off- topic raged manifesto. Take care about your spirit, health, you friends and your children concience and the m.... f....s automatically will disapear. Stop to work for war directly or undirectly...Good loops! julio Pd Sweden it's a Big weapon seller and gives the Peace Nobel Price.They have 14 nuclear power plants for 8 million people.I think Nobel invents TNT ; ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael S. Yoder To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 2:15 PM Subject: another misuse of "socialism" > At 06:11 AM 11/29/99 PST, you wrote: > >>Don't you mean *authoritarian*? National Socialists and Fascists > >>hate capitalism, because it's based on brains rather than brawn; > >>merit instead of mediocrity. > > THAT'S ABSURD!!! The Nazis, who were socialist in name only (as a way to > "sell" their idea to the masses) were absolutely capitalist. The huge war > machine that they built in WWII made lots of German private military > contractors filthy rich. > Capitalism is based more on trickery and accumulated wealth than on "brains." > Please stop misusing terms like socialist, etc. There's never been an > authoritarian socialism that I know of. The USSR, etc., also misused the > term. I would hardly call the Israeli Kibbutz, the Mondragon cooperatives, > or Sweden's labor-friendly governance as "authoritarian." > > Michael > ================================================================ > > Dr. Michael S. Yoder > Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies > Department of Social Sciences > Texas A&M International University > Laredo, TX 78041 U.S.A. > Telephone: (956)326-2634 Office; (956)326-2464 FAX > E-Mail myoder@tamiu.edu > Web Page: http://tamiu.edu/~myoder/ > ================================================================ > > "English ideas about property have given us both the Bill of Rights and the > industrial slum." (Archibald C. Coolidge, Jr.) > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 12:09:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25224; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:09:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:09:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:56:40 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Bizurko@aol.com Subject: Re: EDP speculation--Sell now? Resent-Message-ID: <"W603L3.0.EX5.F80Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Travis... this is priceless! This man should be given a prize for naivette... David! You can buy mine for $1500... (plus shipping). Supply is much lower than demand at this point in case you're missing some important EDP history. Just an opinion (and we all know eveyone has one). As for that other post telling us EDP gouging capitalist pigs to take our offerings elsewhere... Get a clue. If you're after an EDP, wouldn't you want to know who's selling them and at what price? And in a forum for the discussion of looping? If not, it's you who should go find a new list... Hey! We might even share some tips and tricks and how to possibly fix them if you're nice... But you're not being very, are you? What you're both doing is called low balling... sometimes it works when the seller doesn't know much about his product. Unfortunately this is the wrong group to assume that! When the new Trace Eliott EDP is finally being produced and members here report good performance... that's when I'll lower consider buying a second one instead of selling my ONLY one. -Miko >>> 11/29 9:41 PM >>> Mr Harnett, I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain the dynamics of supply and demand to you, but I will gladly pay you $550 for YOUR Echoplex. I'll even pay shipping. Yours, David Burk Minneapolis, MN From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 12:04:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24066; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:04:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:04:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <0.55c10586.25755b44@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:54:28 EST Subject: Re: socialism is dead and you could never have the nice looping tools you have if you lived in a socialist country To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"liApU1.0.dS5.160Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ITs amazing how this thread keeps like sorta loopin, ya know ? kinda similar to loopin on Maximum Delay - Feedback settings with no decay in site. Wheres the undo button ? The Hold button is somehow stuck. Reverse would only complicate this loop. unplug this "loopey" OT topic fast. JP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 12:16:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27366; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:16:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:16:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:59:17 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, shindler@mediaone.net Subject: Re: splitting a guitar signal/feelin' like Stevie Reich Resent-Message-ID: <"WbYe42.0.-l5.4B0Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Anyhoo, I've just been playing with my new setup, which now features 2 DOD DFX94 sampler pedals, the new one courtesy of Mr Biffle below. Setting 'em up with 2 different delay times and listening to the loops going in and out of phase is as much fun as I thought it would be! Go get 'em Peter! Glad you're not wasting time... loop like there's no tomorrow! Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 12:29:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30275; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:29:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:29:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911301719.MAA14640@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:20:29 -0400 Subject: Consider it Dead From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Dt-vj3.0.Bp6.IT0Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com France is not purely socialist it just has that leaning. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 12:39:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32732; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:39:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:39:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:22:57 -0500 From: George McConnell Subject: Re: Tack Piano To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <007501bf3b57$8b6af7a0$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"LoWdB.0.6K7.Ca0Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does it have anything to do with a thumb piano? Those things are awesome! ----- Original Message ----- From: Travis Hartnett To: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Tack Piano > As I recall, it's a piano with metal tacks attached to the sounding > hammer-thingies [note official technical term] which actually strike the > strings. This was often done to make the piano cut through the ambient > noise of loud bars and other, uh, social establishments. > > TH > > > > > > Does anyone know what a "Tack Piano" is? I'm sure I'm showing my ignorance > > here. I've seen reference to it twice on liner notes: Weather Report's > > "Mysterious Traveler" and the latest release by Stereolab. > > > > Sorry if this is "off-topic", but it's not as off-topic as all the > > socialist-bashing from yesterday! > > > > Y'all have a great day. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 12:54:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04045; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:54:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:54:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003401bf3b30$de1a5580$bbfa1a26@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "lava" From: "lava" To: Subject: Re: hold on just a sec... i'm confused. Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:46:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y43nP1.0.nS.9s0Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'd like to actually keep the >> discussion about the millenium going, because it's interesting, and we >> don't have THAT much longer to have it. we got the whole friggin millennium to talk about it.... ll. fuk2k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 13:04:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06038; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:04:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:04:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Bizurko@aol.com Message-ID: <0.478e10bd.257566c6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:43:34 EST Subject: Re: EDP speculation--Sell now? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"GzYND2.0.KN.2q0Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Miko, Just to keep the record straight, I think you've either missed my point, or a few posts. Initially, I posted an email to the group indicating that I have an EDP for sale. As far as price goes, to the people that responded privately, I noted that an EDP recently sold on Ebay for about $820. Travis' wrote a general response to the group that seemed to me to imply that such a price was too much and that people should wait until production starts again and used prices drop. My response to him that I'll by his EDP for $550 was tongue-in-cheek, if a bit caustic. The point being that I clearly know "supply is much lower than demand,.. (at this point in) EDP history", to quote your post, and that's why I 'm selling mine. If Travis truly thinks they're really only worth $550 used, then I'll gladly buy his or any others at that price and resell them. At any rate, I have two EDP's (ROM software versions 5.0 and 3.2), as well as a Jamman and a Boomerang. I don't need two EDP's and since there is clearly a demand for them, I intend to sell the 3.2 version. And as was pointed out in another post, I've been hearing that production is going to start anew "in a month or two" for quite a while now. David Burk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 13:02:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05594; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:02:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:02:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:39:48 -0600 Subject: Re: Tack Piano From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007501bf3b57$8b6af7a0$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dT0c12.0.c6.7m0Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No, it's a regular piano with metal bits attached to the hammers. TH > From: George McConnell > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:22:57 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Tack Piano > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:36:02 -0500 > > Does it have anything to do with a thumb piano? Those things are awesome! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 14:00:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19044; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:00:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:00:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38441B88.220E@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:46:32 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AH , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: FS: Korg X911 Guitar Synth, NOS Zvex pedals... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ic1yr2.0.uG4.dp1Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've posted these for my friend before but many a deal has fallen through. Prices are lowered for a quick no BS sale to the first person to confirm the sale via phone. PLEASE serious inquiries only. These are excellent prices for these items (Search around) and all items (including the X911) are in *excellent* shape. FS: Korg X911 - Mint shape original. Original box, manual, unit. - $350 Analog synth/effects processor. VCF,VCO,autowah,distortion circuit, CV/Gate in and outs, Filter sweep, etc etc etc. Full info on this amazing machine can be found at: http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~kbrunner/effects/x-911.htm Zvex New Old stock handmade effects boxes - Each is mint shape with Zachary's original "wrapping" and paint jobs. These are basically new pedals (never used) much cheaper than anywhere on the net. He was a dealer and is now moving and closing up business. Octane - 11/27/97. Octave Fuzz, Pedal out of Production. $250 Octane - 10/29/97. Octave Fuzz, Pedal out of Production. $250 Super Hard On - 6/7/97 Preamp pedal. $125 He also has two Fuzz factorys (early 98) - $175/each Call him direct at: (215) 627-8165 and ask for Bob. Also you can email me your Phone # if you want and yr *seriously* interetsed and I'll pass it on. Thanks! ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 14:26:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26237; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:26:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:26:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:46:27 -0600 Subject: Re: EDP speculation--Sell now? From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bCtFu.0.Yo5.t82Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 1) I was serious that if you're looking to maximize profit on EDPs, now is the time to post on Ebay. Several people on LD have no idea when EDPs are projected to ship, so the population in general is at least equally uninformed. As the ship date firms up, the selling price for used EDPs will go down. 2) Mr Burk has seemingly overlooked the conditional aspect of my initial argument which is that: WHEN new Echoplexes are readily available (in roughly two months) THEN used units will be worth roughly $550 on the open market. Currently, there are no new EDPs available, and my need for money doesn't outstrip my need to use the EDPs I already own five or six times a week, so I'll hold off on selling. TH > > Sorry David, I did miss that... I apologize. I took Travis' post to > be frank and informative though. He's right... it's time to get it > sold now if you're serious about selling... So that's maybe why you're > seeing exaggerated responses by Travis... It sounds like we're all in > the same boat here. An EDP is worth far more now and until they're > back again... > >> My response to him that I'll by his EDP for $550 was > tongue-in-cheek, if a bit caustic. The point being that I clearly > know "supply is much lower than demand,.. (at this point in) EDP > history", to quote your post, and that's why I 'm selling mine. If > Travis truly thinks they're really only worth $550 used, then I'll > gladly buy his or any others at that price and resell them. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 14:36:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28772; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:36:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:36:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991130190533.46821.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.219] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: socialism? Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:05:33 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"KzP5Q1.0.uC5.u02Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Go away...Please...Kim???help!!! >From: "Julio Moreno" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: socialism? >Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:04:51 -0200 > >''No political solutions'' it's my last and new cliche to avoid discusions >about these because i been repeating the same arguments , listen the same >problems and reaching the same solutions in ALL the bars, streets, clubs >etcetc in various countries with diferent people, from diferent >economic/social/political/ enviroment and i feeling VERY idiot for the time >i lost to arrive allways to the same point: we must change our mind and >spirit for ''global'' concience. Frank Zappa said the MBE (Master in >Bussines Economy) it's the worst and most deplorable thing, one dominant >culture (pseudo-culture) can impose over the people. >Sorry about these off- topic raged manifesto. Take care about your spirit, >health, you friends and your children concience and the m.... f....s >automatically will disapear. Stop to work for war directly or >undirectly...Good loops! >julio >Pd Sweden it's a Big weapon seller and gives the Peace Nobel Price.They >have >14 nuclear power plants for 8 million people.I think Nobel invents TNT > ; ) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Michael S. Yoder >To: >Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 2:15 PM >Subject: another misuse of "socialism" > > > > At 06:11 AM 11/29/99 PST, you wrote: > > >>Don't you mean *authoritarian*? National Socialists and Fascists > > >>hate capitalism, because it's based on brains rather than brawn; > > >>merit instead of mediocrity. > > > > THAT'S ABSURD!!! The Nazis, who were socialist in name only (as a way >to > > "sell" their idea to the masses) were absolutely capitalist. The huge >war > > machine that they built in WWII made lots of German private military > > contractors filthy rich. > > Capitalism is based more on trickery and accumulated wealth than on >"brains." > > Please stop misusing terms like socialist, etc. There's never been an > > authoritarian socialism that I know of. The USSR, etc., also misused >the > > term. I would hardly call the Israeli Kibbutz, the Mondragon >cooperatives, > > or Sweden's labor-friendly governance as "authoritarian." > > > > Michael > > ================================================================ > > > > Dr. Michael S. Yoder > > Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies > > Department of Social Sciences > > Texas A&M International University > > Laredo, TX 78041 U.S.A. > > Telephone: (956)326-2634 Office; (956)326-2464 FAX > > E-Mail myoder@tamiu.edu > > Web Page: http://tamiu.edu/~myoder/ > > ================================================================ > > > > "English ideas about property have given us both the Bill of Rights and >the > > industrial slum." (Archibald C. Coolidge, Jr.) > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 14:54:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23073; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:50:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:50:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FD63@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Signal routing Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:14:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"iJU51.0.mi3.uyX7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Another solution is to use some sort of line driver/ clean boost pedal > (Matchless and > TC Electronics are the only ones that come to mind) before the signal > hits the first > pedal. > z-vex super hard-on (really the name). stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 14:37:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28914; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:37:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:37:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: jcoker@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <38442507.60019052@jguru.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:27:03 -0700 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: feedback matrix loops References: <0.d699540e.257385b3@aol.com> <3.0.5.32.19991130093910.007b1280@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GDZXW2.0.LK6.mG2Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You might also try building one from modular synth modules (from doepfer or analog systems). You'd have to run patch cables yourself, but would get total flexiblity. Throw in some modular fx modules, line 6 pedals and others and you'd have one groovy rig. jim Tim Nelson wrote: > > Something like an Alesis 1622 would probably work pretty well. When I was > board shopping, I was trying to find one, but ended up with a Spirit which > has made itself quite at home in my rig. Still, six sends would be nice... > > Here's a 1622 on eBay: > > > Tim > > At 08:16 AM 11/30/99 -0500, you wrote: > >Using a commercial mixer can open up some additional possibilities for > >matrixing, like having EQ on every channel, but the problem is in finding > >one with more than two aux sends at a good price. As far as I can see, the > >Mackie 1604 is about as cheap as you can go to get 4 sends, pretty much a > >minimum in my book for real Feedback Music. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 14:25:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26075; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:25:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:25:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38442171.7DF8277@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:11:45 -0500 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" Organization: Rogue Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Jamman with full expansion References: <38441B88.220E@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"44VpM.0.lq5.e92Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Up for bids at http://www.auctionsoup.com Opening bid $350 item url is http://auctionsoup.com/index.cfm?Page=item.cfm&ItemID=31620 Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC http://www.roguemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 15:02:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00453; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:27:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:27:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 07:17:53 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Holy Cow! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"xg1LL2.0.Re7.xo_Cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Scott Martin talked about the Steinberger strat-shaped series at Musicyo.com. You're right. They are $199 with gig bag for the standard model. Yow! It'd make a great portable guitar (i.e. dragging it around or on vacation will be very simple). I always go up north and would not have room to drag the road cases of my other guitars along. Cool! I don't care if they are white (a lingering memory of the last Tangerine Dream show I saw was Edgar Froese playing a white GM series during his wailing guitar solo spot, so that's cool). I guess I'll unload a bunch of stompboxes and/or CDs I've tired of listening to to get one. I wasn't prepared to get a new guitar right about now sadly. But I don't want to get rid of any of the others I have either. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 15:08:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16518; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:38:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:38:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991116011754.00958ac0@unix01.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@unix01.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:19:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex In-Reply-To: <0.da8a83fb.256239aa@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"jq9gF1.0.-63.HVFCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:38 PM 11/15/99 -0500, you wrote: >Can anyone give me an idea of how much a excellent condition Echoplex with >footconroller and max memory would bring on the market? I have three and am >considering putting one on Ebay. Response appreciated. MD I'll buy it from you for $700. Maybe you could get more on ebay, I really don't know. But I live near Philly - shipping would be minimal or I might even be able to pick it up if you are in reasonable driving distance. **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com **** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd ** http://www.studiodust.com palace://studiodust.com:9996 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 15:11:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05134; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:37:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:37:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:17:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"2qAbw.0.59.soRCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Ok Travis and others concerned about MIDI on the new TC D-TWO... On >the technical specifications at their site... at the bottom of the >page under Control Interface is the good MIDI news... not much of a technical specification. and the bad news is that it only does "up to" 10 seconds. what is it with people anyway?? 10 seconds, and it's a dual delay... so 5 seconds each? limp, limp. I can't understand these folks. 44.1KHz * 2 bytes = 88.2K/second of delay time. $10 in commodity chips will get you 4MB, that's 45 seconds of delay! I'd certainly pay an extra $50 for the same box with an extra 45 seconds of delay. I think most people would do that. Quite a lot of people (including me!) would pay an extra $100 for an extra minute or so... /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 14:58:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05028; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:33:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:33:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.a8924898.25641732@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:35:30 EST Subject: Re: vortex memory upgrade? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"5PRwg3.0.Go5.lrhCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 17/11/99 08:58:48 GMT Standard Time, b.knox@latrobe.edu.au writes: > i'd really like to know if 8 sec / dual 4 sec vortex bliss is possible > in this universe ... > > brad Ah, so you finally cracked and posted this! I've had replies from Lex which say that this feature was considered, but never implemented. I suspect that to get those features we need a PCM 81 . Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 15:16:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11344; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:27:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:27:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199911301818.KAA03399@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:22:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Tack Piano From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eXwjq3.0.wD2.PK1Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How off topic!! I played one of these a long time ago-what I remember is an upright piano w/ strings exposed w/thumb tacks pushed between each string and then into the wood behind them- you got this tinky sound since the strings were being pinched-similar to damping guitar strings w/ your hand or aligator clips or those felt damper bars that used to come w/ and attach to the bridge of original FENDER JAGUARS etc...hope that helps...best,STANNER ---------- >From: "Michael S. Yoder" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Tack Piano >Date: Tue, Nov 30, 1999, 9:05 AM > > Dear musicians, > > Does anyone know what a "Tack Piano" is? I'm sure I'm showing my ignorance > here. I've seen reference to it twice on liner notes: Weather Report's > "Mysterious Traveler" and the latest release by Stereolab. > > Sorry if this is "off-topic", but it's not as off-topic as all the > socialist-bashing from yesterday! > > Y'all have a great day. > > Best, > Michael > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Dr. Michael S. Yoder > Assistant Professor of Geography, > Coordinator of Urban Studies > Texas A&M International University > 5201 University Blvd. > Laredo, TX 78041 > Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 > Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 15:20:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13869; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:37:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:37:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991130182706.81468.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.219] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: socialism is dead and you could never have the nice looping tools you have if you lived in a socialist country Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:27:05 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"s3Evq1.0.vo2.pS1Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Go away you political people. Set up a socialist chat site and have at it...you have a place...not here...Om and Out >From: "Christopher White" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: socialism is dead and you could never have the nice looping tools >you have if you lived in a socialist country >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:52:01 -0400 > >socialism has failed in all respects. it was a nice utopian idea... but >that >is all it is and will ever be....anarchy on the other hand... >c.white > >ps. france seems somewhat socialist and that country bites..expect for the >art. :D >---------- > >From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) > >To: "Loopers delight" > >Subject: Re: another misuse of "socialism" > >Date: Tue, Nov 30, 1999, 7:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > >At 06:11 AM 11/29/99 PST, you wrote: > >Don't you mean *authoritarian*? National Socialists and Fascists > >hate capitalism, because it's based on brains rather than brawn; > >merit instead of mediocrity. > >Capitalist and Communist they have both created poverty my blind friend! > > > >THAT'S ABSURD!!! The Nazis, who were socialist in name only (as a way > >to sell" their idea to the masses) were absolutely capitalist. > > > > > >And anyone trying to sell the Echoplex for outrageous prices > >and playing Wall Street in this site is a capitalist tycoon. Take it > >somewhere else! > >I am not a Capitalist nor a Communist, i am a Guitarrist!!! > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 15:13:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30530; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:23:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:23:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.56c36824.25634c35@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:09:25 EST Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"zYmuv2.0.Gg6.k9VCu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/16/1999 3:37:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, gnominus@earthling.net writes: << Subj: RE: Digital Echoplex Date: 11/16/1999 3:37:26 AM Eastern Standard Time From: gnominus@earthling.net (Javier Miranda V.) Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com $3,500.00 | -----Original Message----- | From: Madoud@aol.com [mailto:Madoud@aol.com] | Sent: Monday 15 November 1999 8:38 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Digital Echoplex | | | Can anyone give me an idea of how much a excellent condition | Echoplex with | footconroller and max memory would bring on the market? I have | three and am | considering putting one on Ebay. Response appreciated. MD | Well you know there are bona fide idiots and then there are class clowns. Either way it made for a good laugh. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 15:18:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06157; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:18:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:18:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE68@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Signal routing Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:59:30 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"XXLIf1.0.Ea.rp2Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com wow was this old or what?? hey, who says that time exists?? stig -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. [mailto:LiebigSA@Maritz.com] Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 15:15 To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: RE: Signal routing > Another solution is to use some sort of line driver/ clean boost pedal > (Matchless and > TC Electronics are the only ones that come to mind) before the signal > hits the first > pedal. > z-vex super hard-on (really the name). stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 15:32:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24929; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:26:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:26:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 08:34:16 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, hideo@concentric.net, ltct@concentric.net Subject: Re: OT unsubscribe Resent-Message-ID: <"A7Hfz2.0.tB3.o5S7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I got THIS from Laurie Hatch... >>Hi Larry... I meant to pull it out and test it last night just to be sure, but got sidetracked... > So does Katie know about this? tee hee... Mustabeen wearing that steak sauce suit... >>> "L Tremblay" 10/29 11:14 PM >>> Me? Testy? :) After a while the incompetence reaches a level where Natural Law almost demands a nasty rejoinder. It's like strolling through lion country wearing a meatloaf jacket and a steak tie... ...you're gonna get bitten. - Larry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 7:23 PM Subject: Re: OT unsubscribe >not so sure--it's just that geo-magnetic anomaly in conjunctionwith the full >moon that is corrupting newsgroup chats everywhere > >I mean, Larry T. is even being testy . . . SO unlike him ;) > >and as far as our other unwilling participant, "removeme it's not what i >thunk it was lots doubles and junk" ranks right up there with the upper >case Neanderthal posts as far as pure enntertainment > >like the Visa commercial sez' . . . "priceless" > >Tom Lambrecht >hideo@concentric.net >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mike Biffle >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; >zebu@mindspring.com >Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 5:07 PM >Subject: Re: unsubscribe > > >>My paranoid twin want me to believe that the guy who flamed Kim has >>returned with another "throw away" address and name and is now >>tormenting us for being meanies... >> >>And from the look of Nitesh Pratel's only post with a subject other >>than "suscrabp" He'll be selling pirated samples and forming a looping >>supergroup with Paolo and Jim down in Tampa... >> >>Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." >>mbiffle@svg.com >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 15:29:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08890; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:29:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:29:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3844318F.1419EE87@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:20:33 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Tack Piano References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cT6SH2.0.2H1.v03Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Travis Hartnett wrote: > No, it's a regular piano with metal bits attached to the hammers. > > TH > > > From: George McConnell > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:22:57 -0500 > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Re: Tack Piano > > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:36:02 -0500 > > > > Does it have anything to do with a thumb piano? Those things are awesome! um, thumbtacks? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 15:36:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10902; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:36:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:36:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE6B@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: shameless loop promotion - - semi on-topic!! Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:22:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"EUYFi3.0.ut1.i93Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The following show will be at the Empty Bottle, 1035 N. Western, Chicago. The phone # is (773) 276-3600 December 4th: BONE STRUCTURE featuring G.E. STINSON, GREGG BENDIAN STEUART LIEBIG and JEFF GAUTHIER $10 besides "real intruments" there (e guitar, drums, e bass, e violin) there will a big mess o' processors and stomp boxes plus one pcm-42 loop machine, one eh 16-sec delay, and either a jamman or another eh 16 . . . free improv with looping . . . maybe i'll some chicagoland loopists there???? stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 15:35:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10416; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:35:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:35:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6d0c98c.25758bd5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:21:41 EST Subject: Re: EDP speculation--Sell now? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"N-7KF3.0.Fq1.L83Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << 1) I was serious that if you're looking to maximize profit on EDPs, now is the time to post on Ebay. Several people on LD have no idea when EDPs are projected to ship, so the population in general is at least equally uninformed. As the ship date firms up, the selling price for used EDPs will go down. Thanks for the clarity.....Like Oberheim didn't want to maximize its profits on the EDP or Lexicon on the Jamman. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 15:52:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04117; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:04:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:04:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991102020425.49126.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SoundRaider Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 18:04:25 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"X7Mvl2.0.Sj5.pRa7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I eventually just plopped Raider.exe into my SoundForge folder, so now it only plays music from active projects. I can guess about half of the samples with it there. >From: "Dennis W. Leas" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: SoundRaider >Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:03:42 -0500 > >This is from memory. My computer w/ SoundRaider is at home and I'm at work >right now... > >I put my WAV files of interest in a subdirectory from where SoundRaider is >located. Then select "Local Mode" for SoundRaider. This mode makes it >search >only the local directory (the directory containing SoundRaider) and any >sub-directories. Move other WAV files to super-directories, other drives, >etc. >SoundRaider displays the number of WAV files it has located so you can make >sure >it's doing what you want it to. > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mr. Tough >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 8:55 PM >Subject: Re: SoundRaider > > > >>I really like how you can change the feel of SoundRaider by changing >which > >>WAV > >>files it uses. For example - If you use a bunch of didjeridu, singing > >>bowl, and > >>birdcall WAV files you get one feel. If you use a bunch of Beatle songs > >>you get > >>a completely different feel. > >> > >>Dennis Leas > > > >Is there a way to direct that without copying the whole program into > >different folders? I want to change my funk! > > > > > >Mr. Tough > >A Subsidiary of CorpCom Enterprises > >Branch Management Division > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 15:35:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10347; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:35:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:35:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE69@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: 16 second delay problem Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:17:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"Sy--33.0.wY1.r43Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi, i had posted earlier that i knew someone who used the guy below to repair his 16-second delay. i believe he even got new sliders in the bargain. he was recommended to us by eh/sovtek. i'd call him and see what's up. stig To Ship: Send it to me via UPS at: KURTS AMPS & KEYBOARDS 1729 KAIBAB LOOP PRESCOTT, AZ. 86303 Or via US Postal at: KURTS AMPS & KEYBOARDS P.O. BOX 10368 PRESCOTT, AZ. 86304 I contacted Christian Landry and he said he would work on my 16 sec. His turnaround time is three months at the moment though so I'll think I'll look around some more. He could go on the repair tech list as someone who'll brave the innards of these beasts Jon Williams From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 16:02:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12864; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:42:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:42:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991101083952.29718.rocketmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:39:52 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Chix and Technology To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"UMMZH3.0.5x2.G5L7u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Laurie, Thanks for cutting thru all the P.C. gender babble & confessing to being a woman who loops, rather than a woman-loopist. I was beginning to think I had stumbled into the Alan Alda chat room. Now, go make me some biscuits! :) :) :) John --- Laurie Hatch wrote: > > From: Javier Miranda V. > [mailto:gnominus@earthling.net] > > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 1:03 PM > > > > I think this relates to what Jim Poppen said today > about male masturbatory > > tendencies. Women tend to seek mutual > satisfaction rather than their own, > > i.e., "You don't share your feelings," "But honey, > we don't talk," etc. I > > would predict that women will get into looping > only in the context of a > > group, where their looping interacts somehow with > others. > > Javier, this is a very interesting theory. While it > may arguably prove to > have validity in a more generalized population, I > must say that as a > techno-nerd-chick, I'm as much (if not more) > "satisfied" just looping with > myself! %^) That's especially true if the other > musicians are male-types, > cuz they tend to jack off musically more than chicks > do!! Just kidding, > xy's, just KIDDING. No > in-defense-of-musical-ego-masturbation flame wars, > puhleeeeeease... > > As a bassist, using techno and looping toys has in > fact allowed me to > finally, uh, play with myself solo, and do so in a > manner that (hopefully) > engages the listener. Before looping, I invariably > saw myself as being > (for the most part) restricted to ensemble > performance, at least to be > commercially viable as a bass player. Now I have > more options, and it's > tremendously liberating. Don't get me wrong: I do > love ensemble playing -- > the intimate, interdependent co-creation and > interplay is an extraordinary > and unique communication. A sum far greater than > the parts. But I know I > don't require that interaction to be able to twirl > those knobs and loop my > ass off. It simply has never occurred to me to > think of it in terms of > gender. > > > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:mark@cdm.sfai.edu] > > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 12:52 PM > > > > why do we > > find so few women interested in working with new > tools (such as loopers) > > in Music? > > At the risk of oversimplifying an extremely complex > subject, I think the > relative absence of women in tech/electronic music > is a subset of the gender > imbalance one sees in virtually all tech fields, at > least here in the US. > Although some fields are finally becoming > gender-blind, I do believe it's > gonna be a while before being a woman in most > technical fields is not in > _any_ way unusual. > > Why and how those imbalances came to be is another > topic, another list, but > I would briefly hypothesize (and over-generalize): > > From a very early age, girls (in some cultures) do > not receive the same > encouragement to go into technology as do boys. In > cultures where women do > not, or historically have not had equal rights > politically, economically, > and sociologically, they typically were/are tracked > into more traditional > "feminine" roles. Those who have chosen alternative > paths have usually > faced considerable impediments. (Although sometimes > that's made us better!) > > I would like to mention a few examples from my own > experience. In my late > 60's high school physics class of 25, only two were > girls. Same with > advanced math. On the other hand, the balance was > about even in band and > orchestra classes, although very few girls played > more "masculine" > instruments like bass, trombone, tuba, etc. Even > fewer played electronic > instruments. If you were a chick in a band it was > automatically assumed you > were the vocalist. (I _still_ find that bias > today.) > > ~~Which brings up what was a strong undercurrent > when I was growing up: > being expected to fit into the "ladylike" category. > For instance, girls > were not allowed to wear jeans in school because it > was "unladylike"!!! I'm > still proud that a few disgusted jeans-clad high > school chick friends and I > were suspended for protesting that blatantly sexist > rule. We didn't change > our jeans, and they did change the rule. > > Even now many females don't receive the same > encouragement to excel in the > sciences and other technological fields in the same > way that males do. I > was fortunate because my parents didn't program me > to fit into typical > gender roles of the time. But even with that > advantage there were a lot of > societal biases and barriers to overcome. > Thankfully, however, it's been a > while since I've heard "you play really good for a > girl." > > And finally: > > > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:mark@cdm.sfai.edu] > > Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 9:46 AM > > > > I'm pretty sure most of us know that woman, can, > will, and do loop. > > That wasn't the point. The point is, I don't > think that there is a > > single woman on this list. I find that > bothersome. It seems > > unnatural. There were females on this list at one > time, why did they > > leave? Are we creating a hostile environment > towards women? Are we a > > bunch of boring tech geeks? > > Relax, be yerself, be a guy, talk tech geek looper > talk. It's all cool. > That's why Tara and I, and everybody else -- > regardless of gender -- are > here. %^) > > And thanks for asking~~ > > loopin' laurie > (FYI, I've been on the list continuously for several > years, but I don't post > very often. It remains my fave, for precisely the > same reason that Claude > Voit so perceptively expressed a few threads ago: > > [snip] > >this has never been an aggressive list but a deep > and funny > > crowd of individuals > > right on! > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 15:28:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10723; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:25:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:25:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:12:13 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Bizurko@aol.com Subject: Re: EDP speculation--Sell now? Resent-Message-ID: <"WfU_r3.0.Gv1.lE1Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> 11/30 10:01 AM >>> > Miko, Just to keep the record straight, I think you've either missed my point, or a few posts. Initially, I posted an email to the group indicating that I have an EDP for sale. As far as price goes, to the people that responded privately, I noted that an EDP recently sold on Ebay for about $820. Travis' wrote a general response to the group that seemed to me to imply that such a price was too much and that people should wait until production starts again and used prices drop. Sorry David, I did miss that... I apologize. I took Travis' post to be frank and informative though. He's right... it's time to get it sold now if you're serious about selling... So that's maybe why you're seeing exaggerated responses by Travis... It sounds like we're all in the same boat here. An EDP is worth far more now and until they're back again... > My response to him that I'll by his EDP for $550 was tongue-in-cheek, if a bit caustic. The point being that I clearly know "supply is much lower than demand,.. (at this point in) EDP history", to quote your post, and that's why I 'm selling mine. If Travis truly thinks they're really only worth $550 used, then I'll gladly buy his or any others at that price and resell them. Travis? $550?! Nah... What say you Travis? > At any rate, I have two EDP's (ROM software versions 5.0 and 3.2), as well as a Jamman and a Boomerang. I don't need two EDP's and since there is clearly a demand for them, I intend to sell the 3.2 version. And as was pointed out in another post, I've been hearing that production is going to start anew "in a month or two" for quite a while now. David Burk I think as the millennium approaches time is slowing down so a month or two could be an excruciatingly long wait! *-\ -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 15:57:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23649; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:38:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:38:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Laurie Hatch" To: Subject: Re: Looping Laurie Anderson Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:13:44 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01bf266a$382b1680$a3d3b5cf@lloopoo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <02b301bf2635$4e661ba0$342a10ac@Douglas> Resent-Message-ID: <"d8M2x2.0.Nd4.PmE8u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My response is veering off-topic from looping... > From: K. Douglas Baldwin [mailto:dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us] > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 11:51 AM [snip] >I believe the spacey, ambient > looping style > is particularly "feminine" while the hard sampling and non-pitch/noise > styles are more "masculine". Douglas, I do not question the validity of your statement as being true for you and your experience. But I am personally uncomfortable with the concept because from my point of view it reflects and reinforces gender-biased cultural conditioning (as opposed to chromosomal programming), a circular loop (LOOP, yes, on topic...:) from which it is so hard to break free. I mentioned cultural indoctrination for women in my previous Chix and Tech post. But what about the other side? Traditional "masculine" role models have not necessarily encouraged or rewarded boys and men for being warm, loving, mellow, sensitive in the same way that women are. Are you biologically/hormonally any less endowed in those areas than the women you love? Maybe more males would feel freer to develop those qualities if the cultural bias didn't make some guys feel like wimps for doing so. I think it's an enormous loss for those men, and that we all should be fighting to regain what has been sadly diminished. Besides, women like that kind of stuff in a guy! <3 >One may expect to cultivate appropriate audiences for each style. If women and men were equally encouraged to fully develop _all_ aspects of their humanity, I see no reason whatsoever why audiences "for each style" would not be equally balanced. The appreciation of certain styles would be based on personal preference, not necessarily on gender. > The whole concept of "using tools", though, is a > gender-charged one. Likewise, if I might liberally paraphrase, I do not believe that estrogen inhibits the propensity or desire to create and enjoy hard sampling and non/pitch noise (I'm only one example). Furthermore, given the opportunity (without some know-it-all guy butting in to "show us how" or "do it better" :) many women totally get off on driving big trucks, wielding pipe wrenches, soldering wires, stomping pedals, and they do it damn well --- jeez, don't get me started... When I was 4, playing with dollies was OK, but my favorite scenario by far was a big pile of dirt, a water hose, and my Tonka payloader. Yet, I certainly don't think I'm any less "feminine" for having excavated a mountain of mud instead of serving tea and crumpets to my Barbies! I _did_ have a whole lot more fun! :) > The > (perhaps overly Freudian but still still resonant with me) explanation I > received is: Males have external genetalia, females have it inside. This > manifests itself in a masculine propensity to manipulate external > things and > a feminine propensity to look inwards. I received that from a > woman, by the > way. I think the above Freudian hypothesis is exactly as described -- an (IMHO) overblown and misaligned theory. While it may indeed work for some people; it definitely doesn't work for me and a lot of the women and men I know. Yes, you and I have different biological/evolutionary functions and propensities, but I assert that I am absolutely no less motivated and capable of using tools than you, and I do hope you are no less motivated and capable of looking inward than I. If either of us is deficient in those areas I suggest it is because we are products of a long history of cultural gender inequality, not because we are at the mercy of our gonads. We can actually do a lot to change cultural inequities in our own lives, and I know many of you extraordinarily cool guys (I truly mean that) on the list already are. Maybe your girlfriends/wives didn't grow up fixing tractors or climbing trees or pounding nails or building pre-amps or listening to weird music. Maybe their big brother pushed them out of the way when they asked "why?" too many times. So they don't know they _can_. They probably don't have a frame of self-reference for it, with very little, if any, confidence generated from positive reinforcement and hands-on experience. No wonder so many women aren't interested! (Neither are a lot of guys, I assure you! You're an unusual bunch, which is why I hang out on this list.) Anyway, I would suggest that you encourage the girls and women in your lives to see themselves in a multi-dimensional, non-traditional way, and give them a lot of room to experiment and discover how interesting and fun "boy stuff" is if that opportunity has been lacking. If they've grown up with a strong dose of our culture's typical "feminine" paradigm, _encourage them to question it_, and support them in fully developing their dynamic potential. And ask them, from their unique feminine perspective and wealth of experience, to do the equivalent analogue for you. laurie From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 15:53:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14558; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:53:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:53:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <0.781c3009.25758b1e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:18:38 EST Subject: Re: EDP speculation--Sell now? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"dywhy.0.ba1.R53Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I got some feedback about EDP price from list participants. about price.....But when I sold my EDP on the Ebay interestingly enought the guy who bought it wasn't a list member and he paid what he felt was a fair price....He has Jamman and Boomerang. so I'd soay he knew what he was doing.......Gouging has to do with food , water , bread, life essentials gouging for EDP? Ridiculous people have a choice of what they want to spend on their luxuries.......and EDPs are luxuries.......It's a free country dammit. .....people can pay what they want to to do the loopl.... PS I hope the TR boxes are really cheap..........and good....I'm going to buy a bunch and just wait till the well goes dry and laugh all the way to the bank . You know those loop addicts....they'll sell their kids for a box. by the way thanks for the report on the Line 6. for sale: Peavey Transtube Max 100 Fender 12 string acoustic Ibanez Electric 12 string Danelectro Delay " Chorus Fender Strat......Black .Japanese unusual good shape Ibanez Artist.....Black good shape From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 16:01:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16639; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:01:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:01:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991130124602.007f1a70@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:46:02 -0800 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Line6 DL-4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"f72Zg2.0.WM3.oY3Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Loopers! I have been using Digitech PDS delays for many years, and JamMans for the last few. I just purchased a Line6 DL-4 last night (and got yelled at by my wife for not coming to bed at a reasonable hour). I just wanted to encourage you to DEFINITELY check this pedal out. I am amazed that this much stuff is packed into this pedal. The best features for me were an 800ms delay FEEDING the looper! This delay and the analog model both respond to 'oversaturating', so you can get sound that goes and goes and morphs FOREVER! Also, the looper is advertised as a 14 second looper. However, it has a half speed function, so once you close the loop, you can double the length. What happens if you start in half speed? HA HA... 28 second looper! Seriously, this is a very cool unit! Enjoy, Rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 16:08:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18700; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:08:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:08:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:48:01 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Oh yeah, thumb piano.....looping... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_8YY_1.0.2k3.Ve3Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That would be a Kalimba. And Steve Tibbets, renowned Minnesota looper/guitarist/composer has used them a lot on his recordings. I'd check out "Safe Journey" if you want some mindblowing, wild stuff....groundbreaking heavy rock jams culminating in eerie, drifty chiming loops, pastoral acoustic guitar with rumbling and dense loops underneath, field recordings, crazed distortion guitar, eerie atmospheres. Probably one of my top ten of all time just for the variety and the fact that this one goes from a whisper to a scream to an out of body experience. BUY IT! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 16:09:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19117; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:09:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:09:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01a301bf3b75$d4d36760$b9c356d1@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Signal routing Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:59:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"1bU0o.0.5w3.4g3Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stig, do you have a super hard-on? hehe jk- seriously- I would like to know someone's opinion of theis "effect" and it's sound. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 12:48 PM Subject: RE: Signal routing >wow was this old or what?? > >hey, who says that time exists?? > >stig > >-----Original Message----- >From: Liebig, Steuart A. [mailto:LiebigSA@Maritz.com] >Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 15:15 >To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' >Subject: RE: Signal routing > > > >> Another solution is to use some sort of line driver/ clean boost pedal >> (Matchless and >> TC Electronics are the only ones that come to mind) before the signal >> hits the first >> pedal. >> > z-vex super hard-on (really the name). > > stig > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 16:25:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23505; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:25:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:25:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005c01bf3b78$300f8120$4c964e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Tack Piano Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:16:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"z1hMQ3.0.Q05.Wv3Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: George McConnell To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Tack Piano >Does it have anything to do with a thumb piano? Those things are awesome! Would that make it a "thumb-tack" piano? ;-) Seriously though, Travis was correct. It's a standard piano with small metal tacks inserted into the felt hammers that hit the strings. It adds a "honky-tonk" sound to the piano. I tried this once in order to make my piano sound more like a harpsichord, but it was very difficult to get a uniform sound from all the strings. The overall sound was good, but it was very time-consuming to set up, and once all the tacks were in place I was stuck with that one sound until the tacks were removed. It was also a bit difficult to get the standard dynamics of loud and soft, because EVERYTHING was louder than normal. But if you have a piano it's definitely worth giving it a try. I believe that the tack piano was also used in some compositions by the great American experimental composer Lou Harrison, in order to achieve a metallic, gamelan-like sound. A related instrument is the "prepared piano" as developed by John Cage. A similar concept, except that all sorts of screws, bolts, blocks, etc. are placed between the strings themselves to make the instrument sound more like a percussion orchestra than a piano. There's a great old LP (on Angel Records, I believe) with Side A being Cage's "Three Dances for Prepared Piano" and Side B Steve Reich's (LOOP CONTENT !) "Four Organs." Try to find a copy of this album, it's great! One final note: the "thumb piano" which is found all throughout sub-Saharan Africa goes by many names in various African languages. It's known in various forms in different countries as "sanza," "mbira," "likemba," "kalimba," "karimba," etc. Musicologically the instrument type is called a "lamellophone," meaning that it produces sound by plucked tuned tines. These tines are generally metal, but are also sometimes wooden or bamboo. (Think of the small metal strips inside of a "music box" -- it's the same principle). The most commonly used name for this instrument is "mbira" which makes sense because the instrument itself probably predates the "piano" and outside of the misnomer of "thumb piano" has no relation to the keyboard instrument, the smae way that a "jaw harp" has no relation to a "harp." Apologies for being PC and OT, James Pokorny From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 16:21:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22298; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:21:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:21:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE6F@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: 16 second delay problem Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:10:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"ktfx23.0.Nm4.Ss3Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com addendum: http://kurtsamps.com/ kurt@kurtsamps.com hi, i had posted earlier that i knew someone who used the guy below to repair his 16-second delay. i believe he even got new sliders in the bargain. he was recommended to us by eh/sovtek. i'd call him and see what's up. stig To Ship: Send it to me via UPS at: KURTS AMPS & KEYBOARDS 1729 KAIBAB LOOP PRESCOTT, AZ. 86303 Or via US Postal at: KURTS AMPS & KEYBOARDS P.O. BOX 10368 PRESCOTT, AZ. 86304 I contacted Christian Landry and he said he would work on my 16 sec. His turnaround time is three months at the moment though so I'll think I'll look around some more. He could go on the repair tech list as someone who'll brave the innards of these beasts Jon Williams From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 16:18:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21005; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:18:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:18:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991130131315.014b0390@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:13:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: Re: Oh yeah, thumb piano.....looping... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"015_63.0.zb4.Qp3Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll second that recommendation. At 02:48 PM 11/30/99 -0600, Todd wrote: >I'd check out "Safe Journey" if you want some mindblowing, wild >stuff....groundbreaking heavy rock jams culminating in eerie, >drifty chiming loops, pastoral acoustic guitar with rumbling >and dense loops underneath, field recordings, crazed distortion >guitar, eerie atmospheres. Probably one of my top ten of all >time just for the variety and the fact that this one goes from >a whisper to a scream to an out of body experience. > >BUY IT! > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 17:23:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04397; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:23:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:23:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012401bf3b7f$437e4fa0$632ee9d4@lenclud> From: "Laurent" To: Subject: Atari (Falcon) softs Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:02:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qrxBm1.0.ES.Wl4Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I want to re-install an old Atari Falcon (full of drawing softs I don't need). Any idea where to find music softs for the Falcon??? Thanx in advance for help you could bring to me... I will do the same when re-installing the ST & TT I've also here ... So any 1040st or TT software, come to me!! Laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 17:22:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03714; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:22:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:22:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991130141014.007f8b00@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:10:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: RE: Line6 DL-4 In-Reply-To: <012F2481B420D211BE5A00A0C9CDAFBA020F91F0@il0015exch006u.ih .lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JW3ie2.0.lY.Co4Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gary, You know, I was so stoked to enjoy a 28 second riff, that I wasn't paying total attention to the freqency response at the slow speed. I was using a Les Paul Studio into the DL-4 into Line6 POD preamp and listening to Sony 7506 headphones. Other than not paying attention, I didn't notice any significant deterioration of the signal, if that helps at all! (I am accustomed to the sound quality of the JamMan, and I gave back my Boomerang after being unsatisfied with its audio quality) Some of the other delay models, such as the tube echo, solid state echo, and lo-res delay actually have some 'deterioration' of the delay signal as a signature of the model, much like those old beasts i liked to goof around with at the vintage shops, but never had the time/money to want to own them. This unit rocks.... As far as the switches, they seem to be fine. I prefer the short travel switches like on DOD pedals and my Midi Pedal, but these seem to be nice and smooth. Imagine a 'reissue' MXR pedal and thats about it. I only tried the headrush once for a short time at Guitar Center, so i don't have a good a/b of the switching, but this thing will eat the headrush for lunch as far a sound variety and sonic possibilities... At 03:40 PM 11/30/99 -0600, you wrote: >Rich, > >Thanks for the review. Just wondering how good the 1/2 sampling is >I play acoustic and was wondering if I would loose much in the way of >freq. response in the 1/2 speed mode ? > >Also how do you find the switches, looks like they are similar to the >Headrush > >Thanks >Gary Weideman > >> ---------- >> From: Rich[SMTP:rich@nuvision.com] >> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 2:46 PM >> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >> Subject: Line6 DL-4 >> >> Hi Loopers! >> >> I have been using Digitech PDS delays for many years, and JamMans for the >> last few. I just purchased a Line6 DL-4 last night (and got yelled at by >> my wife for not coming to bed at a reasonable hour). I just wanted to >> encourage you to DEFINITELY check this pedal out. I am amazed that this >> much stuff is packed into this pedal. The best features for me were an >> 800ms delay FEEDING the looper! This delay and the analog model both >> respond to 'oversaturating', so you can get sound that goes and goes and >> morphs FOREVER! >> >> Also, the looper is advertised as a 14 second looper. However, it has a >> half speed function, so once you close the loop, you can double the >> length. >> What happens if you start in half speed? HA HA... 28 second looper! >> >> Seriously, this is a very cool unit! >> >> Enjoy, >> >> Rich >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 17:43:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08813; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:43:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:43:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991130223232.65995.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.219] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Space Echo RE 201 and "the Fantastic" Echoplex echo chamber Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:32:32 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"_ABgX2.0.wf1.235Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com These two items have been idle in my studio for some time. I'm wondering if there are replacement tape cartriges that could be found anywhere for either or both of these dinosaurs. They both work but need to be rigged with new tape. Is there a museum?Any help would be appreciated. Om and Out, Papa Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 18:20:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17007; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:20:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:20:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911301719.MAA14640@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> References: <199911301719.MAA14640@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:02:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Line 6 DL-4 Cc: verge@weirdos.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"v1Iwj1.0.6F3.sT5Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well, I just downloaded the manuals for this and I'm very very impressed. tells you so much more than the site. really nice features: true stereo (honest!) has reverse, half-speed and one-shot modes you can morph between two settings using an expression pedal!! "Dial up a sound you like. Now press the expression pedal forward to the fully toe-down position, and set one or more of your knobs to another setting. Rock back and forth on your expression pedal, and you'll hear your sound blend between the two sound settings you just made." and all the classic devices, the SpaceEcho of my misspent youth... and seemingly a nice user-interface. I want one. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 18:24:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17975; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:24:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:24:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991130180924.007b7100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:09:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Thumb Piano/high fidelity In-Reply-To: <005c01bf3b78$300f8120$4c964e0c@u73x0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EuGmK1.0.xd3.eb5Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The fact that the mbira thread and the signal splitting thread are running almost simultaneously presents quite a contrast. While we talk a lot about signal degradation, sampling rates, noise reduction, etc., a funny thing about the mbira as it's used in western Africa is that they''ll hammer bottlecaps flat and nail 'em onto their mbiras so the caps'll rattle and buzz, giving the sound "character". In this light, I guess even technical standards and specs are a cultural thing! (Think of the Jamaican dub producers who were prizing their old analog delays for their lo-fi character while the rest of the world was telling them they were obsolete. Context is everything!) Tim (That 60Hz buzz coming outa my rack is annoying, but do you think if I preface my playing by saying it's intentional I'll fool anyone?) At 04:16 PM 11/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >One final note: the "thumb piano" which is found all throughout sub-Saharan >Africa goes by many names in various African languages. It's known in >various forms in different countries as "sanza," "mbira," "likemba," >"kalimba," "karimba," etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 18:06:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14313; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:06:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:06:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:53:01 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, papadave55@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Space Echo RE 201 and "the Fantastic" Echoplex echo chamber Resent-Message-ID: <"ZJXGB2.0.kl2.EM5Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Boy Narendra... you never fail to amaze me!? This from a guy with one each of the big 3 loopers, a Lexi MPX-1, 2 Lexi Vortexes, Waldorf 4-pole filter, a Kaoss pad and both Electribes, a Midiverb, a Digitech Vocalist, Boss GT-5 and Roland GR-30... 'Scuse me Mr. Potter? Are you going to sell these babies or do you plan to use them? If you're keeping them, you may have to consult with Dr. David Myers to build something depraved enough to give you a few more aux sends! Gentlemen! Get out your soldering irons! 8-) Oh... and I remember you saying something about having one of Perille's DJRND2 coming to you soon... Instead of working on your rig, I want to just come down and play with it all! What's the ETA on that delivery? I want to be there... -Miko >>> "David Potter" 11/30 2:38 PM >>> These two items have been idle in my studio for some time. I'm wondering if there are replacement tape cartriges that could be found anywhere for either or both of these dinosaurs. They both work but need to be rigged with new tape. Is there a museum?Any help would be appreciated. Om and Out, Papa Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 19:02:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25841; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:02:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:02:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ba01bf3b8b$cc8dc800$04c256d1@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Space Echo RE 201 and "the Fantastic" Echoplex echo chamber Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:36:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"JqaXA.0.Wx4.Qz5Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim Dunlop sells brand new tape cartridges- in the accesories section of their web site- only for the Echoplex tho- list price is just over 20 bucks- No idea on the Space Echo tape- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: David Potter To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 3:21 PM Subject: Space Echo RE 201 and "the Fantastic" Echoplex echo chamber >These two items have been idle in my studio for some time. I'm wondering if >there are replacement tape cartriges that could be found anywhere for either >or both of these dinosaurs. They both work but need to be rigged with new >tape. Is there a museum?Any help would be appreciated. Om and Out, Papa >Dave > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 19:15:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29327; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:15:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:15:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38445DBB.3B672F8F@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:28:59 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Consider it Dead References: <199911301719.MAA14640@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dTF8K2.0.KW6.DO6Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com woof woof - my doggie likes your leg (yours too warnerve?) please stop this before i have to have my little doggie put away! l-o-o-p OR record OR talk music please! later, rob (watchdog) Christopher White schrieb: > > > France is not purely socialist it just has that leaning. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 19:07:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27211; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:07:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:07:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.4b6fcf90.2575be46@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:56:54 EST Subject: Zoom 2100 (as looper) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"xqM2n1.0.wA6.DI6Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This will have to keep me happy as an aux looper till I find a headrush features (not available simultaneously) i) sampler. 16s high quality or 32s (still good) tap to start record, tap a different switch to stop recording & loop seamlessly. can stop loop at any time, then start from beginning again. with loop playing just hitting one switch lets you go straight back into record. theres also the facility to play back at slower speeds, including 1 & 2 octaves down, you still record at normal speed though , so it starts looping at lower pitch as soon as you stop recording..(nice) unfortunately this feature is only available when recording from the aux input, a stereo 3.5mm jack. ( frustrating) ....and a rewind switch! mutes loop while held down, play resumes on release from an earlier portion of the loop. ii) 'Jam Play' a bank of three 5s loopers, (not seamless quite) 3 switches, one for each looper. press on one and it records for as long as you hold it down ....then it plays back for as long as you hold it down after hitting a fourth switch you can record again (even while a loop or2 is still playing) on the same looper, or a different one. playback any combination simultaneously. (so how good are you with your feet) iii) 2 delays in series, 6s and 10s in that order (no tap time function) a) 6s delay has a 'sound on sound feature' , when you switch it on you get a single delay , but once you hit a switch it goes into a nearly infinite sustaining overdub mode. then you can add material or play over the top. from the s on s you can go into a normal delay mode and ley the loop fade, but you can't go back the other way without erasing the loop. ( above 1s delay time can only be set to the nearest tenth of a second) b) 10s delay, max regen is not really enough, resolution is only a tenth of a second. in this mode you can simulate multitap delays and also solve the old problem of how to get in time with loop of 4-10 s ( for instance by combining a 6s loop with a 1/2 sec delay, ) drawbacks theres no way to mute the incoming signal (unless using one side of the aux in, which is only useful in sampler mode) difficult to end loop precisely in jam play no overdubs in i) & ii) and various stuff as stated above 60 presets, all rubbish (30 of them editable though) conclusion as has been mentioned before on the list this has some excellent features, some of which not even available on the echoplex,(3 simultaneous unrelated loops) and the sampler has advantage over the jamMan in that you can finish a loop at any time and start a new one (of any length) with one press. a very useful device( and so cheap) ...but so many frustrations Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 19:20:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30620; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:20:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:20:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d501bf3b90$ac5d7a80$04c256d1@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Line 6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:11:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"46ol-3.0.9t6.8U6Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com gee, I have to say this thing has my interest as well! It sounds pretty diverse- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ritchford To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: verge@weirdos.com Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 4:01 PM Subject: Line 6 DL-4 >well, I just downloaded the manuals for this and I'm very very impressed. > > tells you so much more >than the site. > >really nice features: > > true stereo (honest!) > has reverse, half-speed and one-shot modes > you can morph between two settings using an expression pedal!! > >"Dial up a sound you like. Now press the > expression pedal forward to the fully toe-down position, and set one or > more of your knobs to another setting. Rock back and forth on your > expression pedal, and you'll hear your sound blend between the two sound > settings you just made." > >and all the classic devices, the SpaceEcho of my misspent youth... > >and seemingly a nice user-interface. I want one. > > /t > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 19:08:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27244; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:08:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:08:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.3115f201.2575bdf0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:55:28 EST Subject: Re: digital errors? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"nYDN51.0.I_5.pG6Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > and on another list somebody was talking about how his cd masters do not > > sound like the cd copies(in timbre) > > can that be possible if all thats being transfered is 1s and 0s? quite often when you transfer from audio CD to hard drive what happens is that the audio o/p of the CD is sent to the soundcard for A/D conversion. ie. some CdRoms do not support digital extraction of audio. hence a change in timbre (hope this isn't too obvious) Andy Butler (Teac SCSI drives + Nero Burning Rom = no problems) Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 19:14:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29172; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:14:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:14:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38446437.AFE4D63E@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:56:39 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: jamman trick - c'est trés cool Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"x16zQ3.0.oW6.MO6Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com je stumbled on an interesting jamman trick for those of vous with a midi sequencer or controller capable of sending program changes. je slaved my jamman to an mpc2000 and set the jamman to SAMPLE mode. in this mode it doesn't "loop" continuously but plays whatever was recorded into it (a single sample) using "triggers". le chose très cool is that the sample can be switched rapid-fire between forward and reverse. je joue la batterie (suis pas socialiste) so i played a groove in sync with the sequence and had the jamman record a single bar (bar 5), parts of which can play forward / reverse (anywhere after bar 5). comme ca (ASCII-ish): record sample here V la sequence: | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | note: a TAP prog-chg (=1) is necessary to open AND close the sample in this mode, e.g. at begin of bars 5 and 6 to make a one bar sample. the sample can then be triggered by setting prog-chg=1 at various points in the sequence. to reverse the sample before triggering, set prog-chg=4. the whole thing gets a RECYCLE twist by syncopating the triggers - this sounds pretty coll in a d'n'b way using drums or percussion as a sample. á la prochaine, rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 19:01:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25739; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:01:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:01:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991130220735.1613.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:07:35 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: Oh yeah, thumb piano.....looping... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"_F5Nh.0.1i5.iA6Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah. Great One for sure. Now you can have his drummer Marc Anderson in your own home on ACID. I've been playing with it all week. Marc Anderson Dragon something. About 500 megs of some excellent world beats in wav format including some kalimbas. Get it through the Sonic Foundry Icon on Loopers Delight Home Page. Randy Jones --- Todd Madson wrote: > That would be a Kalimba. And Steve Tibbets, > renowned Minnesota > looper/guitarist/composer has used them a lot > on his recordings. > > I'd check out "Safe Journey" if you want some > mindblowing, wild > stuff....groundbreaking heavy rock jams > culminating in eerie, > drifty chiming loops, pastoral acoustic guitar > with rumbling > and dense loops underneath, field recordings, > crazed distortion > guitar, eerie atmospheres. Probably one of my > top ten of all > time just for the variety and the fact that > this one goes from > a whisper to a scream to an out of body > experience. > > BUY IT! > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 19:59:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09085; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:59:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:59:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38446CED.D194D38@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:33:49 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cd duplication References: <19991130024721.73869.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rbbCX.0.-M.4r6Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We live in Austin and for short run duplication we have used "Lubbock or Leave It". They are very reasonably priced, quick and professional. Pricing varies with length of cd and number of copies.Our most recent cd was 43 minutes and it cost $7.50 each for three. It drops a lot for more than 10. Talk to Barbara. 512-302-9024. Melody Taylor and Jimmy George "Mr. Tough" wrote: > If there isn't someone offering that service in the local independent > newspaper ads, then you'd probably have some luck just puting an ad up at > your local music store or indie record store. Chances are, there's some guy > (or lady) near you who has a CD burner, and could use a few xtra bucks. Just > make sure you keep a copy of your master and pay on delivery. > > I know of a few professional duplicators that will do some small > duplications (down to 1 CD). Unfortunately, as the run gets smaller with > them, the price per CD goes up exponentially. It gets to be as much as $16 > per CD for tiny runs. > > On the other hand, a friend of mine in San Diego shelled out the money for a > music oriented computer a few years ago. He got a big hard drive, nice sound > card, CD burner, etc... He then combined it with his existing recording > equipment (8 track, mixer,& monitors). Once he learned how to use it, he was > able to quit his job and make a living for himself mastering and producing > CD's for other artists. > > Mr. Tough > > >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: cd duplication > >Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:43:21 EST > > > >is there a service anywhere that does small run cd duplication, as small as > >25 copies?............thanks............michael > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 21:20:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28747; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:20:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:20:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:12:06 -0500 (EST) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 1 million hits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QYFIH2.0.ng6.jI8Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com (How many of those hits are Kim?) --Sometimes he'd try not looking at it for a whole day, and then looking at it. N On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Kim Flint wrote: > Well, we finally crossed that big milestone. The Looper's Delight website > had it's 1 millionth page-hit sometime last week! > > I, for one, am amazed. Never expected anything like it when I started this > 3 years ago. These days the site gets anywhere from 4000 to 7000 hits a > day, so I guess 2 million will come quite a bit quicker. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 21:55:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05336; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:55:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:55:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE6B@migarexch01.maritz.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:43:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: shameless loop promotion - - semi on-topic!! Resent-Message-ID: <"gAKtv3.0.Sm.Hm8Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow Stig, Sounds great and even on topic. Any chance you guy will play near DC? patrick >The following show will be at the Empty Bottle, 1035 N. Western, >Chicago. The phone # is (773) 276-3600 > >December 4th: BONE STRUCTURE featuring G.E. STINSON, GREGG BENDIAN >STEUART LIEBIG and JEFF GAUTHIER $10 > >besides "real intruments" there (e guitar, drums, e bass, e violin) there >will a big mess o' processors and stomp boxes plus one pcm-42 loop machine, >one eh 16-sec delay, and either a jamman or another eh 16 . . . free improv >with looping . . . > > > >maybe i'll some chicagoland loopists there???? > > >stig Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 21:52:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04391; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:52:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:52:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38446437.AFE4D63E@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:45:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: jamman trick - c'est =?iso-8859-1?Q?tr=E9s?= cool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id VAA03273 Resent-Message-ID: <"MGfbm1.0.Op.bn8Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As soon as my wife let's me do something besides lear PhotoShop, I'm gonna try this one. Sounds very cool rob. thanks for adding to the arsenal. Patrick >je stumbled on an interesting jamman trick for those of vous with a midi >sequencer or controller capable of sending program changes. > >je slaved my jamman to an mpc2000 and set the jamman to SAMPLE mode. >in this mode it doesn't "loop" continuously but plays whatever was >recorded into it (a single sample) using "triggers". le chose très cool >is that the sample can be switched rapid-fire between forward and >reverse. > >je joue la batterie (suis pas socialiste) so i played a groove in sync >with the sequence and had the jamman record a single bar (bar 5), parts >of which can play forward / reverse (anywhere after bar 5). > >comme ca (ASCII-ish): > > record sample here > V >la sequence: | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | > >note: a TAP prog-chg (=1) is necessary to open AND close the sample in >this mode, e.g. at begin of bars 5 and 6 to make a one bar sample. > >the sample can then be triggered by setting prog-chg=1 at various points >in the sequence. to reverse the sample before triggering, set >prog-chg=4. > >the whole thing gets a RECYCLE twist by syncopating the triggers - this >sounds pretty coll in a d'n'b way using drums or percussion as a sample. > >á la prochaine, >rob Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 22:23:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11586; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:23:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:23:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: BByLng734@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b42dd03d.2575ed28@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:16:56 EST Subject: Re: dispensation of wisdom (?) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"DrQEd3.0._P2.jD9Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com (Those of you who don't care for "editorial responses" please delete now) Returning from Thanksgiving weekend travels, pleasure exceeded disappointment as I read the mail from helpful LD listers sharing their experiences with various repair establishments. Good-natured and genuine support -- what I expected -- I was pleased to find. One message was disappointing, though. Kim Flint bookended his advice with misunderstanding statements regarding my disposition and concluded with exasperated, hyperbolic nattering on the subject. It was a confusing response to a mannered (though repeated for emphasis) entreaty for informative contributions, especially from the "overseer of the operation." In offering a useful fuse caveat but only the most obvious service solution (one that is readily available on the LD site), Kim's message seemed intended both to help and embarrass (a curious passive-aggresive approach!). When I stated previously that I had "...contacted various Gibson/Oberheim officers (to no effect)," one willing to extend the benefit of the doubt could have concluded that the officer whose name, phone number and e-mail address are two clicks away from the opening page of LD was among those who had been contacted. I have received no replies to either my phone messages or e-mail's to Mike Ayers or to general customer support (calls to which have always been forwarded to someone's voicemail). A possible reason came with a post immediately following Kim's: "[Mike Ayers] said Gibson is ~not~ accepting EDP's for repairs. [He] said they are going to work with the people at Trace Elliot as to when they are going to start performing repairs, but it's not right now. Apparently, the "guy" that they had at Gibson who was the ace repairman left the company and they need to get someone trained. Unfortunately, your options are somewhat limited until they get back into production." Should Kim have urged me with impatience to "use my phone" before he himself knew for sure whether Mike Ayers and Gibson were accepting EDPs for repair? I had decided to cast my net wider -- among the subscribers to this list -- in hopes of gathering a broader range of opinions and experiences than what relying on a single unresponsive (to me, at least) source would have afforded me. There's nothing deserving sarcasm or ire in that. I'm glad that particular tone of the listmaster's is not usually adopted by others (though some do seem quick to irk -- How easy it is in responding to "speak" in such an antagonistic way to people you don't know whom you'll likely never meet!). But I'm not discouraged, and neither are the listers; such whiny reproach usually doesn't shame its intended recipients into timidity but rather ends up reflecting poorly upon its author. To the sincerely helpful respondents, sincere thanks. Keep the info coming! Rob Lang P.S. - The above does not diminish the "delight" I derive from the LD site and the list, both of which are lively and informative offerings dedicated to a colorful and unsung niche of music-making which we all love. Let's just think before we send! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 22:32:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13695; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:32:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:32:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_jamman_trick_-_c'est_tr=E9s_cool?= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:28:13 -0800 Message-ID: <002c01bf3bac$190f25a0$f9358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <38446437.AFE4D63E@compuserve.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"i_BiY3.0.F23.3M9Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Let's hear it! C -----Original Message----- From: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com [mailto:r_t_cummings@compuserve.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 3:57 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: jamman trick - c'est trés cool je stumbled on an interesting jamman trick for those of vous with a midi sequencer or controller capable of sending program changes. je slaved my jamman to an mpc2000 and set the jamman to SAMPLE mode. in this mode it doesn't "loop" continuously but plays whatever was recorded into it (a single sample) using "triggers". le chose très cool is that the sample can be switched rapid-fire between forward and reverse. je joue la batterie (suis pas socialiste) so i played a groove in sync with the sequence and had the jamman record a single bar (bar 5), parts of which can play forward / reverse (anywhere after bar 5). comme ca (ASCII-ish): record sample here V la sequence: | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | note: a TAP prog-chg (=1) is necessary to open AND close the sample in this mode, e.g. at begin of bars 5 and 6 to make a one bar sample. the sample can then be triggered by setting prog-chg=1 at various points in the sequence. to reverse the sample before triggering, set prog-chg=4. the whole thing gets a RECYCLE twist by syncopating the triggers - this sounds pretty coll in a d'n'b way using drums or percussion as a sample. á la prochaine, rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 22:53:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18309; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:53:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:53:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38449ADA.4E2AD0A6@texas.net> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:49:48 -0600 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cd duplication References: <19991130024721.73869.qmail@hotmail.com> <38446CED.D194D38@jimmygeorgearts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BXRQu.0.FD4.7g9Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com howdy melody & jimmy - were these cd's or cd-r's? i would guess cd-r. did you give them a dat? did they duplicate or master? thanks, bobdog Jimmy George wrote: > We live in Austin and for short run duplication we have used "Lubbock or Leave > It". They are very reasonably priced, quick and professional. Pricing varies > with length of cd and number of copies.Our most recent cd was 43 minutes and it > cost $7.50 each for three. It drops a lot for more than 10. Talk to Barbara. > 512-302-9024. > > Melody Taylor and Jimmy George From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 23:20:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24528; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:20:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:20:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991201040216.41576.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: digital errors? Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:02:16 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"60bml1.0.Et4.2u9Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Really? How do you make the 'digital image'? Mr. T... >From: McMorrough_James/londres_sistemas@sinvest.es >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Kriist@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: RE: digital errors? >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:06:50 +0000 > > >Mmm, He's right you know, as far as I know you should ALWAYS copy audio >CD's at single speed, the spoddy reason for this is that CD audio is >unsynchronised data. Data cd's on the other hand have checksums which >the drive uses to tell whether it read the data correctly or not, so >with data it keeps reading that part of the disk until it gets it right, >and then it writes it to the target, but with audio it'll just read it, >& then write whatever it thought it just read introducing errors, >especially if you multiply the speed up. > >Here's a suggestion……Why don't you make a digital image, ie a datafile, >of your CD with one of these CD creation programs & keep that as your >master, then you can burn 1st Gen copies from here to eternity….. > > >Banco Santander Central Hispano S.A. >James McMorrough >Systems Analyst/Developer >Tel: (+44) 171 332 7475 >E-mail: jmcmorrough.londres@sinvest.es > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kriist [mailto:Kriist@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 7:33 PM > To: Loopers-Delight > Cc: Kriist > Subject: digital errors? > > after copying some of my improv stuff(looping)to cds ive noticed > some > peculiar stuff > i only own copies of copies of my originals(the originals were on > my HD but i > erased them after i burned them)and the original copies i gave > away to friends > now i know in analog recording you hvae generation loss, and it > can be > substancial > but ive noticed alot of digital errors now in the recordings, > little clicks > or skips, some are really noticable > whats going on here?is it a problem of imperfect media(cdr's)or is > something > lost everytime?! > a friend of mine told me once(i hardly listen to him)programs like > WinDAC not > being the best for copying digital audio > that they go to fast(hence digital erros)?? > and on another list somebody was talking about how his cd masters > do not > sound like the cd copies(in timbre) > can that be possible if all thats being transfered is 1s and 0s? > > thanks > > rodrigo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 23:29:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25982; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:29:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:29:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38449215.3793DF44@erols.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:12:30 -0400 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Space Echo RE 201 and "the Fantastic" Echoplex echo chamber References: <199912010043.TAA04530@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FVmM.0.SO5.40AHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There is a ton of stuff in the archives and at the AH archives. The answer is : make your own, it's just old fashiond quarter inch tape. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 23:34:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27512; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:34:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:34:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38449348.5767E18A@erols.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:17:38 -0400 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Line 6 DL-4 References: <199912010043.TAA04530@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D0LCV.0.Wi5.85AHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I saw the Line 6 DL-4 report and he says "Price is $192.50" I haven't seen anything near that price. Who is selling them at this price.