From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 00:02:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA20338; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:02:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:02:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003b01beabd7$f0185f40$56934e0c@u73x0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:31:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop length query Resent-Message-ID: <"USeQu1.0.Tn3.DFrKt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 7:39 PM -0700 5/31/99, James Pokorny wrote: >So I use a tactic similar to your looping the changes or bassline for a jazz >tune -- I loop the entire "composition" then practice improvisations over >it. This makes it much easier to hear where each beat is, and to be able to >work out how much time is needed to weave the improvisations seamlessly back >into the composition. I wish I'd had this great tool years ago! In that practicing vein, I also found that loops helped me improve my background/rhythm playing a lot. If your tempo drifts while recording a long loop, it's really obvious at the loop startpoint! Other screw ups too. The loop puts it right back in your face, and you can't ignore it, so you try again to get it right. Somehow, when I'm playing, I'm often able to delude myself into thinking it sounds great. The loop shows no such mercy. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 01:06:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA32371; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 01:06:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 01:06:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:48:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990531234009.009ec420@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:40:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Laptop looper? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LwQHG3.0.sJ7.gOsKt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I thought I'd pass this along, it seems that the hardware is ready! New from Ego Systems... The Wami Box: DSP Based 20 Bit 4 Channel Integrated PCMCIA Digital Audio System with 16 Channel Internal Hardware Mixing & FX, 64 Voice Sampler / Synth The Wami box turns notebook computer into a digital recording studio - literally. Packaged in a palm-sized (rack mountable) case, it contains everything you need to produce music. Equipped with optical and coaxial S/PDIF, 2 in 4 out AD/DA, a MIDI interface, 64 voice programmable sampler/multi-timbral synth, mic preamp, and a 16 channel internal mixer, about the only thing that isn't self contained is the recording medium, which your notebook supplies. It even includes professional quality digital signal processors, which you can use on all audio channels and MIDI sounds. As amazing as all this may sound, its sound quality is equally, if not more, amazing. WaMi Box contains RISC based 50 MIPS DSP engine, which you'll only find on top quality professional devices. With 16 MB of internal RAM, you can sample, edit and playback big sound files with ease. It's fully programmable and through software upgrades. All this for slightly over $400. Features: *20 Bit A/D D/A convertors, 98dB Dynamic Range *20 Bit Output resolution and Internal computations on 28 Bits *2 In / 4 Out unbalanced Analog In / Out, +4dBu unbalanced RCA jack *S/PDIF Electrical (Coaxial & Optical) Digital In & Out; up to 20 Bit *Mic Preamp with effects, Headphone Amp, 1/4" Mic Input socket and 1/4" stereo jack *socket for headphone monitoring *full LED Display; 9 large Activity Indicators *Microsoft DirectX support *Multiple sample rates - 32kHz, 44.1kHz, 48kHz *Full Duplex - 2 Channel Record/ 4 Channel Playback simultaneously *Uses standard PCMCIA socket - DMA Channel not required *High perfomance Audio DSP based 16 channel Internal Mixer Hardware & professional Multi-effects Processor *Simultaneous 16 Mono Track Play plus Stereo Record *Multi-band Parametric equalizer *13 Delay lines for resonance free stereo reverb (reverb, delay, chorus, echo, etc.) *Up to 64 voice 16 multi-timbral professional sampler & user-upgradeable GS, XG, GM *16 Mb onboard RAM for Synth & Sampler *32 Channel MIDI Operation ; 16ch internal & 16ch External *MPU-401(UART)1 In/1 Out MIDI Interface *Interactive 3D positioning - 4 Channel surround *Fully programmable; Firmware downloaded to memory at power-up *Easy software upgrade *Signal to Noise Ratio (D/A) : 108dB *Frequency Response: 20Hz - 20kHz *Chip programming available to third party software companies *Compatible with all major software ...Cubase, Cakewalk, Logic, Saw Pro, Wave Lab, Sound Forge, Rebirth RB-338, etc. * * * . ........................................................................... Be the change you want to see in the world. -Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 01:20:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA01976; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 01:20:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 01:20:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37537842.F466328@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 01:05:57 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Korg (shitty interface)ToneWorks AX1-G Vs. Akai Headrush References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Xxwfq3.0.Os7.ZdsKt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, I've got a Korg AX30g and let me tell you, it's interface SUCKS. Hear that Korg? Not to be blowing my own horn, but I've paid my dues in the retail music business, worked for Laurie Anderson, and I can usually find my way around most gear. Korg stuff, while I love the sounds I get out of my AX30 (It's pressure pedal should become the next big deal!) I wonder why it's interface is so clumsy. I used to work in a music store where we sold the Trinity line of Korg keyboards, and let me tell you, I once was fooling around with it's sequencer and (with a manual) I could not for the life of me figure out how to change the time signature. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 01:29:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA03378; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 01:29:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 01:29:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:11:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990601000058.00b4dd00@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 00:00:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: It just goes... In-Reply-To: <374E97C4.E9B0186E@minds-eye.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"riqS4.0.vA.3ksKt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Specifically, Eno said: " I think it's possible that our grandchildren will look at us in wonder and say: "You mean you used to listen to exactly the same thing over and over again?" Eno has typically used several simultaneous, asynchronus loops in his compositions. The random overlap at any point in time is a unique event. This capability exists when using several looping boxes, and I particularly think that the boomerang, with it's somewhat cloudy sound is really nice in conjunction with a Jam-Man or EDP. At 09:19 AM 5/28/99 -0400, you wrote: >Brian Eno has suggested that in the future, kids will be amazed that people >used to listen to the same piece of music twice. > >Kevin > > > > . ........................................................................... Be the change you want to see in the world. -Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 02:00:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA10155; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:00:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:00:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375372E3.B9ADAFC3@dial.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 06:42:59 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Zoom Looper References: <199906010318.XAA13185@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jZoQA2.0.Rb1.oBtKt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just though I'd wade in with my own personal reccommendation. Try the Zoom 8080. I've been using one for years. Here's the spec, in brief: 18bit a/d 20 bit d/a compressor, phaser, flanger, distortion, (including nice acoustic guitar mode), nice octave divider like the old stomp boxes, (1+2 octaves) reverb,2 pitch shifters, (including intelligent pitch shifting), ring modulator etc etc. aux send, programmable amp channel switcher, Loopwise it has up to 4 sec delay with hold function for infinite looping plus the ability to build up another independant 4 sec loop on another patch running at the same time. You can choose ping pong delay, (up to 2s) in addition to this as a reverb option. In fact you can add yet another delay in pitchshift delay mode. In addition to this there are 5 footswitches and 2 foot pedals all of which output midi information and/or control loop volumes pitch shift etc. Of course it's programmable too. I'm not making this up by the way. In the American colloquial IT ROCKS! Just my ha'pence worth, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 02:00:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA10202; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:00:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:00:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:51:41 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Korg ToneWorks AX1-G Resent-Message-ID: <"Osi1i3.0.Ha1.hBtKt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I use the Akai Headrush everyday and I get NO AUDIBLE CLICK unless I miss the >loop point badly. Any sampler will click when the end of the loop and the >beginning of the loop are out of phase. And they will not click when the end >of loop and beginning of loop are in phase. "Somedays timing is everything." > >Bill I do not agree. We make an effort to crossfade the end of the recording to the beginning and you get no click, whenever you hit the key. You may get a bump when you cut a note. Shure, if there is no sound at the moment of switching, you get no click even if you do not have the crossfade feature. So this may be the case for Headrush (which I have not seen yet). * Lots of music (samples), inventions (drawings), philosophy: * ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org * Archive and mailinglist about looping: * ---> http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 02:23:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA14624; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:23:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:23:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990531234009.009ec420@POP.VISI.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:08:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Laptop looper? Resent-Message-ID: <"1dehX1.0.in2.CYtKt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:40 PM -0700 5/31/99, Chuck Zwicky wrote: >I thought I'd pass this along, it seems that the hardware is ready! > > >New from Ego Systems... >The Wami Box: DSP Based 20 Bit 4 Channel Integrated PCMCIA Digital Audio >System >with 16 Channel Internal Hardware Mixing & FX, 64 Voice Sampler / Synth here's the web site: http://www.egosys.net/eng/wamibox.html they've got so much in that external box, I think they could have added a disk drive and LCD and you wouldn't need the laptop anymore.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 02:30:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA15487; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:30:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:30:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990601000058.00b4dd00@POP.VISI.com> References: <374E97C4.E9B0186E@minds-eye.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:13:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: It just goes... Resent-Message-ID: <"Wbx2-2.0.s13.-ctKt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Specifically, Eno said: " I think it's possible that our grandchildren will >look at us in wonder and say: "You mean you used to listen to exactly the >same thing over and over again?" Personally, I don't have that much faith in our grandchildren, and expect they'll be just a bunch of dolts like we are and our grandparents before us. There's a Backdoor Boys for every generation. kim oops, meant "street" ;-) ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 02:20:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA13772; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:20:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:20:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 03:10:08 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loop length query Resent-Message-ID: <"MduCa2.0.SX2.sStKt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Patrick wrote: > >> Lately I've been making longer loops of events with silence in between. > >interesting, i have also lately been playing with a lot of silence layered in >between loops; for me, this moves away a bit from the *wall of sound* that the >luxury of so many layers can easily lead to... > >of course walls can be good, but i'm more interested lately in creating >spaces... > >lance g. oh, nice, that would be the extreme case of the dynamic loops I was describing. So far I did not have the courage to leave me all alone ;-) * Lots of music (samples), inventions (drawings), philosophy: * ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org * Archive and mailinglist about looping: * ---> http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 03:23:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA24735; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 03:23:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 03:23:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906010651.IAA30057@aristotele.atene.it> From: "roberto briozzo" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:46:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Petition for Scotty Moore Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.02b14) Resent-Message-ID: <"NLDFo3.0.Sb4.E8uKt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please, forward this mail: To: Governor of Oklaoma City governor@oklaosf.state.ok.us 31 May, Genoa (Italy) I support the petition to spare Scotty Moore. I believe in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for all people, everywhere. I have trust in the Governor of Oklaoma City. canemacchina briozzo@atene.it icq 25922888 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 05:51:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA08403; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 05:51:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 05:51:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199906010651.IAA30057@aristotele.atene.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:28:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Petition for Scotty Moore Resent-Message-ID: <"lGGFX1.0.NW1.rTwKt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:46 PM -0700 5/31/99, roberto briozzo wrote: >Please, forward this mail: > >To: Governor of Oklaoma City governor@oklaosf.state.ok.us I think you can have a "Governor of Oklahoma" and a "Mayor of Oklahoma City", but not a "Governor of Oklahoma City." >31 May, Genoa (Italy) > >I support the petition to spare Scotty Moore. I believe in the Is this the same guy who played guitar for Elvis? speaking of Oklahoma, are there any Okie loopers out there? (I don't think we've ever discussed looping in Oklahoma before, this seems like a fine time...) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 07:23:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA18817; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:23:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:23:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990601110050.006d1118@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:00:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: Petition for Scotty Moore Resent-Message-ID: <"Ab0pQ.0.Xv3.AuxKt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what a sensibility, kim.... leo At 02.28 01/06/99 -0700, you wrote: >At 11:46 PM -0700 5/31/99, roberto briozzo wrote: >>Please, forward this mail: >> >>To: Governor of Oklaoma City governor@oklaosf.state.ok.us > >I think you can have a "Governor of Oklahoma" and a "Mayor of Oklahoma >City", but not a "Governor of Oklahoma City." > >>31 May, Genoa (Italy) >> >>I support the petition to spare Scotty Moore. I believe in the > >Is this the same guy who played guitar for Elvis? > >speaking of Oklahoma, are there any Okie loopers out there? (I don't think >we've ever discussed looping in Oklahoma before, this seems like a fine >time...) > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 09:50:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA05753; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:50:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:50:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3753E2AE.F8859372@hotjobs.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 09:39:58 -0400 From: Jim Opfinger Reply-To: jopfinger@hotjobs.com Organization: Hot Jobs, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: UnSubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AHnm02.0.241.-D-Kt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please take me off your list. Thanks. The Loopinator. -- HOTJOBS.COM: "Stronger, Faster, Hire!" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- COME SEE US AT: IHRIM in Salt Lake City, Utah June 13-16, 1999 Booth 219 & 221 SHRM in Atlanta, Georgia June 27-30, 1999 Booths 1537 & 1539 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Opfinger jopfinger@hotjobs.com Account Executive tel: 212.302.0060 fax: 212.944.8962 Hotjobs.com, Ltd. www.hotjobs.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today has never happened...... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 09:51:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA05955; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:51:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:51:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990601133946.6045.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [134.174.151.250] From: "Sean Witters" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Short Loops Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 06:39:46 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Resent-Message-ID: <"rvuhc3.0.iy.9B-Kt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If anyone is using a Boss Se-50 here's a seriously demented short loop idea. I suspect this will also work on the Boss Se-70, Roland Gp-8, and Gp-16 since they are all related, try this on the GT-5 and see if it works. I always swore I'd keep this secret but, I discovered you can make it glitch in a beautiful way. Set the delay feedback at 100% then play into the loop. Enter the menu mode and turn the delay time all the way down. The pitch won't change but your sound will start to fragment into digital shards resolving into a chugging locamotive sound, this is fun in itself but keep going all the way down to about 20ms or less and suddenly a tone will appear. It sounds a bit like the soundtrack from Atari's Pole Position. The pitch of this tone, which exists between 1ms and 20ms (+/-), can be tuned by expanding or shortening the ms allowance. If it starts to fade just play another note into it. You can get here by simply starting with an infinite loop of say 20ms or you can scroll down from 1.5 secs. I like the effect of the later because of the way the note appears out of digital chaos. I like to use the results in the loops on my Jam Man because you can twiddle about with the up/down value buttons and play these wacky little chromatic melodies which sound really unique. If anyone else is abusing an Se-50 and wants to share carefully guarded secrets I'd love to hear more ideas. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 12:18:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA30027; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:18:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:18:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:10:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990601111212.00a20560@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:12:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Laptop looper? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990531234009.009ec420@POP.VISI.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QOc67.0.6z6.YN0Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One more item about it.... WaMi Box contains RISC based 50 MIPS DSP engine, 16 MB of internal RAM. All this for slightly over $400. At 11:08 PM 5/31/99 -0700, you wrote: >At 9:40 PM -0700 5/31/99, Chuck Zwicky wrote: >>I thought I'd pass this along, it seems that the hardware is ready! >> >> >>New from Ego Systems... >>The Wami Box: DSP Based 20 Bit 4 Channel Integrated PCMCIA Digital Audio >>System >>with 16 Channel Internal Hardware Mixing & FX, 64 Voice Sampler / Synth > >here's the web site: >http://www.egosys.net/eng/wamibox.html > >they've got so much in that external box, I think they could have added a >disk drive and LCD and you wouldn't need the laptop anymore.... > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > . ........................................................................... Be the change you want to see in the world. -Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 13:57:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA15469; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:57:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:57:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D70A@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Short Loops Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:45:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"UU46_1.0.aA3.pm1Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > If anyone is using a Boss Se-50 here's a seriously demented short loop > idea. > I suspect this will also work on the Boss Se-70, Roland Gp-8, and Gp-16 > since they are all related, try this on the GT-5 and see if it works. > ** you can also do a thing where you have a stereo delay and set one side to 400ms and the other to 600. you get a nice two against three thing happening. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 14:13:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA18971; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:13:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:13:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37541FF0.62508A0C@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:01:26 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: UnSubscribe References: <3753E2AE.F8859372@hotjobs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_oyRk3.0.Xx3.4_1Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim Opfinger wrote: > Please take me off your list... > > > Today has never happened...... does this mean we can ignore your request? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 14:26:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA21581; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:26:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:26:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37541E91.F455467B@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 10:55:34 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It just goes... References: <3.0.6.32.19990601000058.00b4dd00@POP.VISI.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6pnV43.0.Ce3.cv1Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Chuck wrote: > Eno has typically used several simultaneous, asynchronus loops in his > compositions. The random overlap at any point in time is a unique event. > This capability exists when using several looping boxes, and I > particularly think that the boomerang, with it's somewhat cloudy sound is > really nice in conjunction with a Jam-Man or EDP. thanks...i've been looking to justify the purchase of a 'rang, and this will do just fine! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 14:28:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA21782; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:28:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:28:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199906011808.OAA06530@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"yZUct1.0.VM4.172Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jeff mentioned: > Is any of this availiable online? I searched the links but to no avail. > > > Playlist for "EMUSIC" I assume that you mean that you want to hear my show over the internet? If so, it would be my dream to be able to oblige your wish. Sadly, this is not a reality. However, I forward every such message to the station to keep them informed of the level of interest in netcasting space music programs. I know that Chuck van Zyl has netcasted a small number of his programs, but I'd LOVE to be the first to do so on a regular basis. That would increase the visibility of me, my show, the artists played, WDIY, and the Lehigh Valley (Allentown and vicinity, located in eastern Pennsylvania, USA). When fund raising rolls around, the internet audience would represent an additional source of new members for our community public radio station. I'm sure that the expense of netcasting would be carefully weighed against the revenue you space music fans represent out there in cyberspace. We may be non-profit, but it still takes funding to anything. Bill home: billfox@fast.net work: billfox@lucent.com ============================================================================== Host of Emusic, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. ============================================================================== My radio show: http://www.wdiyfm.org My band's site: http://www.crosswinds.net/~shadowplay From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 14:36:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA23169; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:36:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:36:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Michal Kopczak" To: Subject: Looking for OE Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:31:14 +0200 Message-ID: <01beab26$ccda0620$f0fbcdc3@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F4_01BEAB37.9062D620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"e6ouy2.0.Lq3.9z1Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01BEAB37.9062D620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there! 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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:17:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"aUCJ41.0.nm5.fY2Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 8:43 AM Subject: It just goes... >Anyone get the urge to just put a loop on and let it go throughout the >afternoon? Sometimes letting a loop cycle for hours is a fun thing. Yes, I have left loops on for hours, even days. The Electro Harmonix 16-second delay was the most degenerative, sounding like slowed-down robots gargling with industrial solvents in a matter of hours. Using a DigiTech RP-7 with two delays, one at about 20ms and one at 3,5 seconds, I discovered the "tunability" of short, resonant delays - no matter what you play, if you let them regenerate long enough, they become one big note. Which means that all regularly repeating cycles are big notes, but we all know that already, don't we? Farnk Zappa often commented on this phenomenon too. If I keep any loop on long enough (anywhere from a half hour to one hour or more), I have very pleasant audio hallucinations where EVERYTHING sounds like it's part of the loop AFTER the loop is turned off. LaMonte Young kept carefully tuned oscillators playing in his home for months at a time, which possibly would create a similar effect. Comments from others? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 14:57:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA27725; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:57:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:57:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <4cbdd0ee.24857f80@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:25:04 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Loop length query To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"Wzn9C3.0.wE5.pM2Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/1/99 12:38:03 AM, you wrote: <> Au contraire--or whatever! Speaking I'm sure for the entire community of artFUL ambient soundscape guys---AND gurls, I for one found this idea SO OBVIOUS as to place it beneath notice as a discussable function of a serious looping device. so there. dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 14:53:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA26867; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:53:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:53:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:39:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Short Loops Resent-Message-ID: <"VpX-s1.0.ne5.FW2Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >If anyone is using a Boss Se-50 here's a seriously demented short loop idea. >I suspect this will also work on the Boss Se-70, Roland Gp-8, and Gp-16 >since they are all related, try this on the GT-5 and see if it works. I >always swore I'd keep this secret but, I discovered you can make it glitch >in a beautiful way. Set the delay feedback at 100% then play into the loop. > Enter the menu mode and turn the delay time all the way down. The pitch >won't change but your sound will start to fragment into digital shards >resolving into a chugging locamotive sound, this is fun in itself but keep >going all the way down to about 20ms or less and suddenly a tone will >appear. It sounds a bit like the soundtrack from Atari's Pole Position. >The pitch of this tone, which exists between 1ms and 20ms (+/-), can be >tuned by expanding or shortening the ms allowance. If it starts to fade >just play another note into it. You can get here by simply starting with an >infinite loop of say 20ms or you can scroll down from 1.5 secs. I like the >effect of the later because of the way the note appears out of digital >chaos. I like to use the results in the loops on my Jam Man because you can >twiddle about with the up/down value buttons and play these wacky little >chromatic melodies which sound really unique. If anyone else is abusing an >Se-50 and wants to share carefully guarded secrets I'd love to hear more >ideas. You can do a similar effect on a Lexicon LXP-5 with an MRC controller, grab a loop at the maximum mono delay time (a bit over a second), with the feedback at 100%, play with the delay time slider. You can get some cool stuttering effects if you quickly and drastically shorten then re-lengthen the loop. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 15:25:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA00771; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:25:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:25:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:07:05 -0300 Message-ID: <0000DF99.C22133@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: It just goes... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"V-TUt.0.Ka7.933Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, I have left loops on for hours, even days. I also did it a couple of times and the main reason was to "break in" new devices. In one ocasion I had a JamMan + Vortex + EDP for the whole weekend with the same loop and every time I stopped to rally listen the loop was somehow different (althogh nothing was added or subtracted). This was one of the reasons I was initialy attracted to loops: they change because they are always the same. Miguel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 16:22:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA11477; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:22:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:22:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37543E3A.F712B188@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:10:35 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist References: <199906011808.OAA06530@badboy.micro.lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zXKkF2.0.NU2.zx3Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Bill, I would love to hear it online so if it would help I'll write often. Here in Atlanta we have one of if not the first online radio station WREK FM. You might wish to check them out at http://cyberbuzz.gatech.edu/wrek/wrek.html Wonderful station that has warped my mind for over 20 years. Good Luck, Jeff http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html William_B_Fox wrote: > Jeff mentioned: > > Is any of this availiable online? I searched the links but to no avail. > > > > > Playlist for "EMUSIC" > > I assume that you mean that you want to hear my show over the internet? > If so, it would be my dream to be able to oblige your wish. Sadly, this > is not a reality. However, I forward every such message to the station > to keep them informed of the level of interest in netcasting space music > programs. > > I know that Chuck van Zyl has netcasted a small number of his programs, > but I'd LOVE to be the first to do so on a regular basis. That would > increase the visibility of me, my show, the artists played, WDIY, and > the Lehigh Valley (Allentown and vicinity, located in eastern > Pennsylvania, USA). When fund raising rolls around, the internet > audience would represent an additional source of new members for our > community public radio station. I'm sure that the expense of netcasting > would be carefully weighed against the revenue you space music fans > represent out there in cyberspace. We may be non-profit, but it still > takes funding to anything. > > Bill home: billfox@fast.net work: billfox@lucent.com > ============================================================================== > Host of Emusic, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at > 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. > ============================================================================== > My radio show: http://www.wdiyfm.org > My band's site: http://www.crosswinds.net/~shadowplay From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 16:46:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA16046; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:46:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:46:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <9588c3d3.24859ead@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:38:05 EDT Subject: Before I buy a Vortex... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"rktc8.0.hY3.SJ4Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm about to spend $250 on a used Vortex...anybody wanna make me a better offer before I send the check? ...and does anybody know where I can get a copy of the Applications guide that used to come with 'em? Lexicon Customer Service hadn't a clue. Thanks! David Coffin you can call me at work--800-283-7252, ext. 518 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 17:44:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA27361; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:44:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:44:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D715@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: shameless gig plugs . . . l.a. and s.f. Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:36:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"CTQ2S.0.cI6.d95Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steuart Liebig [basses/loopage/effects]; Vinny Golia [woodwinds]; Billy Mintz [drumset] 6 June 1999, 8:00 p.m. with Will Salmon [flute/voice]; William Roper [tuba]; Alex Cline [percussion] at Pasadena Shakespeare Company Theater, Pasadena, California (626) 795-4989 $10.00 Admission (in the Pasadena Mall 296 Plaza, 2nd Level; Free Parking in the Mall parking structure Enter on Green Street between Euclid and Los Robles pedestrian bridge, theatre is the first venue on the left upon entering the mall) **************************************************************************** *********** STINKBUG (Nels Cline [guitars/loopage/stuff]; G.E. Stinson [guitars/loopage/stuff]; Steuart Liebig [basses/loopage/stuff]; Scott Amendola [Drumset]) 7 June and 8 June 1999 Two sets nightly $ 5.00 admission (?) AT BRUNOS, 2389 MISSION STREET, SAN FRANCISCO, CA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 17:31:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA24679; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:31:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:31:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D714@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: FW: bootstrap improvisational music festival Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:24:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"DITM41.0.mh5.M-4Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > (please accept our apologies if you recieve this more than once due to > many performers and overlap of mail lists. please respond with remove if > you do not wish to be on this list. Feel free to forward this to any > interested parties) > > YOU ARE CORDIALLY INVITED TO ATTEND: > > bootstrap: creative emergence > Music Festival > June 11-13, 1999 > Electric Lodge, Venice, CA > 1416 Electric Ave. > > Tickets: $15 per event ($10 for students w/valid ID) > Tickets on sale one hour before performance time. Seating is limited > Please Use Free On-site Parking > e mail: om@metarecords.com > Schedule details: Working Class Productions: 323-692-8080 > > Performance Schedule: > > FRIDAY June 11 8pm > Shankar with Kevin Eubanks, Bob Hurst and Adam Rudolph > - One of the world's foremost Indian classical musicians and > cross-cultural music innovators on vocal and double-neck violin presents > a new group featuring Tonight Show band leader, Eubanks and others. > Larry Karush Ensemble with Trey Henry, Kendall Kay, Luca Brandoli and > Bob Fernandez > - Known for his work Oregon and Steve Reich, Karush's music places > elements of Indian, African, Brazilian and contmporary western art music > in the framework of a percussion flavored jazz ensemble. > > > SATURDAY June 12 3pm > Bennie Maupin and Friends > - Woodwind innovator Bennie Maupin is known for his groundbreaking work > with Miles Davis and Herbie Hancock. Look for new compositions > debuted by this new ensemble. > > David Cherry and "Impressions of Energy" with Javier Vergara, > Jon Williams, Ollie Elder Jr., Robert Ikiz > - David's music is harmolodic world music: a multi-kulti blend of roots > and textures influenced by Don Cherry's Organic Music and Ornette > Coleman's Harmolodic concepts. > > > SATURDAY June 12 8pm > Adam Rudolph Metamusic Ensemble with I Nyomen Wenten, Charles Moore, > Ralph Jones, G.E. Stinson, and Jeff Rona > - Fresh from recent touring with Yusef Lateef and Pharoah Sanders, > Rudolph returns to Los Angeles with the premier of his new ensemble. > Hailed as "a pioneer in world music" (NY Times), Rudolph's new > composition features live computer generated electronics, Indonesian > percussion, guitar and winds in an improvisational exploration. > > Namah with Pejman Hadadi, dancer Banafsheh, Greg Ellis, Ramin Torkian, > Afshin Mehrassa, and Shahram Hashemi > - Namah is a contemporary expression of Persian classical music with > percussion, strings & dance improvisation. > > SUNDAY June 13 3pm > Bobby Bradford and Vinny Golia Quartet with Alex Cline and Roberto > Miranda > - Bobby Bradford has long been acknowledged as one of the great > improvisors on the LA scene. Known for his work with Ornette Coleman, > he reunites here with fantastic LA woodwind/composer Vinny Golia and his > other longtime collaborators for bootstrap. > > Leimert Park Artists Collective with Billy Higgins, Kamau Daaood, Dwight > Trible and Derf Reklaw > - Legendary jazz drummer Billy Higgins will be joined by members of the > Pan Afrikan People's Arkestra and percussion great Derf Reklaw. > > > SUNDAY June 13 8pm > World Premeire of "Saxophone Trio" Opus 2 No. 2 composed by Yusef Lateef > performed by Ralph Jones, Bennie Maupin and Vinny Golia. > - Legendary composer/performer Yusef Lateef has generously contributed > his support to the bootstrap festival by composing this new work. > > Joshua Natural Sound (solo) > - The multi instrumentalist will present a 15 minute solo work for > bamboo flutes and kalimbas. > > New Music Monday Collective with Emily Hay, G.E. Stinson, Alex Cline, > Karou, Jeff Gauthier, Steuart Liebig > - A Tribute to Alligator Lounge New Music Monday Series combinations of > trios, quartets and electrified improvisation > > > bootstrap improvisational music festival: a celebration aural > possibilities, will feature internationally acclaimed touring and > recording composer/improvisers who live in Los Angeles. bootstrap will > present these artists in newly commissioned compositions and premieres > of ensembles created especially for the festival. > > bootstrap creative emergence also marks the grand opening month of the > Electric Lodge, Venice's beautiful multipurpose community arts center > and is a collaboration between the above mentioned artists, Electric > Lodge and Working Class Productions who brought you RISE and the new > TRANSMISSIONSERIES. > > bootstrap exists free of any corporate sponsorship or endorsements > > > > -- > Website: http://www.metarecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 18:47:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA07122; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:47:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:47:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:32:18 EDT Subject: OT - Emagic Audiowerk2 card.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"5dMAr1.0.x81.f-5Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey all - sorry for the off-topic post, but I have limited resources otherwise for less-biased opinions on computer/music interfacing.... anyone have any opinions on the above-mentioned card? I need something that will at least get me an s/pdif interface between my DAT and the computer, and this one seems to have the digital and audio outs covered at a pretty decent price ($250). It's either this or the Alesis Adat computer interface, which I'm going to go check out online right now. any info would be appreciated. Thanks. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 18:09:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA32530; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:09:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:09:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990601175908.007a8390@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: leper@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:59:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "earthblind, starbound" Subject: new grendel song In-Reply-To: <199905272326.TAA10070@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vlE911.0.xZ7.rW5Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, well, it's a month late, but with the creative block (in most everything--even with writing I've got nothing beyond a lot of scribbles to put to use later) I have, plus the major stress/incredible landslide of work trying to find a job so I'll have somewhere to live in two months, let's just say that there probably won't be a new song for three months at the least, and that's IF I survive that long(considerably less than 100%). So I wanted to drag it out. No matter, I finally decided to send it up. Go to http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664 or the URL in my .sig and download whichever is your fancy, realaudio or mp3. This one is a sort of jazz/metal/loop bit with special help from Bill Hicks. Under Songs, that's where you'll find the song. -- Listen to Grendel (ambient/signal music) at http://listen.to/grendel Coming soon-ish to an IP address near you: "Life in Flames," a serial. ++Note, my return address may be munged. You make the call.++ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 18:23:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA02889; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:23:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:23:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37545CFA.CF00F112@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 18:21:46 -0400 From: Stephan Ball X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop length query References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t_avN2.0.EQ.vl5Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While I may be dating myself a bit, I've never had the urge to part with my old (original issue) Yamaha DX-7. As most know, this synth isn't multi-timbral; thus making the EDP an excellent tool for multi part, shortish compositions with a single DX-7. The tonal combinations of this single (digital in character) instrument can be quite varied with a little care in patch selection. The 'plex also works nicely in this capacity with the Oberheim Xpander, an older analog synth that's multi-timbral, but limited to six voice polyphony. Long loops make for nice combinations with these two guys, plus various guitar, etc., blended in. The 'plex really expands the scope of these wonderful instruments. Steve Cincinnati, OH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 18:53:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA08114; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:53:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:53:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3754641D.8C2DDBD0@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 18:52:13 -0400 From: Stephan Ball X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It just goes... References: <026501beac5e$857e41e0$5b2310ac@Douglas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Mu13D2.0.Bl1.RC6Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know this is getting pretty far out in OT land, but I often notice (or maybe just lapse into a particular state) that when in a "noisy" environment such as a crowded restaurant, an effort can be made to treat all of the various sounds (snippets of conversations, clinks of glass and silverware, etc., at various frequencies) in a detached or homogeneous way. The result is a rather smooth cacophony that rises and falls with bits of recognizable verbage coming occasionlly to the surface. It takes a little effort to treat all of the sound sources in such an environment as totally equal with no intrinsic meaning in terms of language, etc., but the result is a very interesting and somewhat exhilarating, "sound collage" experience. This is probably brought on by many years of intense listening to music of various sorts (including my own) and probably fostered my current interest in some of the more ambient derivations of electronica by groups such as the Orb and FSOL. The point in all this? Uh, well.... Steve K. Douglas Baldwin wrote: > .....If I keep any loop on long enough (anywhere from a half hour to one hour > or more), I have very pleasant audio hallucinations where EVERYTHING sounds > like it's part of the loop AFTER the loop is turned off. LaMonte Young kept > carefully tuned oscillators playing in his home for months at a time, which > possibly would create a similar effect. Comments from others? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 20:19:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA22992; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:19:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:19:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990601202131.007a51e0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 20:21:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: It just goes... In-Reply-To: <3754641D.8C2DDBD0@earthlink.net> References: <026501beac5e$857e41e0$5b2310ac@Douglas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fSdJn1.0.8R5.KU7Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sounds like that old Erik Satie thing about music written to mingle with the sounds of the knives and forks... or Eno's comments in the notes to Discreet Music where he talks about accidentally setting the volume too low when playing some harp music, and then realizing that the other sounds he was hearing could be experienced in much the same way as the music; a new way of listening... Tim At 06:52 PM 6/1/99 -0400, you wrote: ... when in a "noisy" environment such as a >crowded restaurant, an effort can be made to treat all of the various sounds >(snippets of conversations, clinks of glass and silverware, etc., at various >frequencies) in a detached or homogeneous way. The result is a rather smooth >cacophony that rises and falls with bits of recognizable verbage coming >occasionlly to the surface. It takes a little effort to treat all of the sound >sources in such an environment as totally equal with no intrinsic meaning in >terms of language, etc., but the result is a very interesting and somewhat >exhilarating, "sound collage" experience. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 21:02:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA29784; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:02:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:02:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:40:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Laptop looper? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990531234009.009ec420@POP.VISI.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jeDcJ.0.wR6.Hs7Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow, the Ego-sys box looks pretty damn cool, but the only price I could find for it was at Thinkware for $600, where did you see it for $400? Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 21:28:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA01325; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:28:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:28:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000401beac94$378d58a0$8db8aacc@seanix> From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Before I buy a Vortex... Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:06:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"hAltP2.0.DK7.KC8Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sure -- how 'bout $275? -----Original Message----- From: Dpcoffin@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 4:52 PM Subject: Before I buy a Vortex... >I'm about to spend $250 on a used Vortex...anybody wanna make me a better >offer before I send the check? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 21:39:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA02826; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:39:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:39:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006101beac96$68963960$2a964e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: It just goes... Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:22:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"hqdmT1.0.3v7.QQ8Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stephan said: >I often notice (or maybe >just lapse into a particular state) that when in a "noisy" environment such as a >crowded restaurant, an effort can be made to treat all of the various sounds >(snippets of conversations, clinks of glass and silverware, etc., at various >frequencies) in a detached or homogeneous way. The result is a rather smooth >cacophony that rises and falls with bits of recognizable verbage coming >occasionlly to the surface. It takes a little effort to treat all of the sound >sources in such an environment as totally equal with no intrinsic meaning in >terms of language, etc., but the result is a very interesting and somewhat >exhilarating, "sound collage" experience. > >This is probably brought on by many years of intense listening to music of >various sorts (including my own) I think we're getting back into the realm of "loop religion" here! I've had similar experiences where I tend to zone out by intensely concentrating on and/or suddenly becoming aware of all the surrounding sounds. I realize that this is recommended within Buddhism as an exercise in centering and focus. I'm no student of Buddhism, but I always liked this idea, at least in theory. And I believe that this was the basis of John Cage's experimental "composition" called 4'33" (performer sits behind instrument and remains silent for 4 minutes and 33 seconds -- the point being that all the ambient sounds of the hall [papers rustling, throats clearing, overhead fans whirring, etc.] ARE the music.) But to be honest, I get a little frightened when I realize that I've been driving on an expressway at 75 mph with the windows down and enjoying the "musical content" of vehicles rushing by in the opposite lanes, horns honking, all the pings and buzzes that emanate from my dashboard, etc. It makes me think -- OK, it's great that I can think of this as "music" -- but I should be concentrating more on my driving! I wouldn't want the performance to end with squealing brakes and crunching metal. A month or two ago I was walking down several flights of stairs in my building at work. The steam pipes starting hissing and giving off a fairly strident, screechy sound. But then a second tone arose, quickly followed by a third. Despite the unpleasant texture of the hiss, the resulting chord was really quite lovely. It made me wonder how often this sort of thing occurs. I had the idea that I'd wind up sneaking away from my desk and spending hours loitering in the stairwell waiting for it to happen again. But common sense prevailed and I haven't started this practice. Yet. A rather more pleasant experience occurred last week. I woke up at about 4:30 in the morning because all the birds outside my window were waking up (these birds are LOUD). Usually when this happens I get angry since it's hard to get back to sleep for another hour until they calm down, which is when I'm getting up anyway. But this one morning I sort of slowly drifted into wakefulness, suddenly realizing that each different bird was singing it's own "looped" melodic pattern, which would come around again and again. There must have been six or seven different species of birds, because there was a real sense of order -- one "loop" running and interacting with another, some moments of silence, more "loops" entering, etc. It was a very full sound altogether, and also much more soothing than I'd ever thought possible. I had always regarded the use of bird sounds in recorded music as being extremely trite, but this was music enough in itself and didn't need any human interaction (except for the listening). I don't know that I would ever have come to this realization if I hadn't been involved in looping. So I'm having somewhat of a dilemma here -- am I evolving as a listener to the point where random sound can be as pleasant and meaningful as "structured" music, or am I just losing it big time? James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 1 22:05:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA06935; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:05:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:05:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <19cac510.2485e830@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:51:44 EDT Subject: Re: It just goes... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"Nj6je1.0.CD1.Sv8Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/2/99 12:39:42 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net writes: << or am I just losing it big time? >> yes........isnt it wonderfull?........also very inexpensive!..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 00:48:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA03982; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:48:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:48:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:43:11 EDT Subject: Re: It just goes... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"eNREg3.0.6m.nPBLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << am I evolving as a listener to the point where random sound can be as pleasant and meaningful as "structured" music, or am I just losing it big time? James >> yes and yes (looped over "the sound of one hand clapping") Zen, Fractals and Chaos Theory... I'm sitting here smiling from ear to ear, in recognition, because I often experience the same sort of things you describe. And I suspect we're not alone in this. ;-) -hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 00:08:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA26357; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:08:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:08:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3754AB69.506B1451@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 13:56:25 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Short Loops - se50 abuse References: <19990601133946.6045.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_FHIU2.0.z76.OoALt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks Sean! this effect seems to use one of the strengths of the se-50... wide ranging and very finely graduated parameters... here's another boss abuse : in the stereo pitch shifter, if you set one shifter an octave down, the other an octave up and turn the cross-feedback way up (setting a >100ms pre-delay on both shifters) you get this very distinctive resonance.. hmmm.. maybe this is dependent on the exact pre-delay i have set (which i cant remember... something like 300 and 400 ms) but i'm guessing not.... anything you play gets transformed into this glassy pipe organ thing... brad Sean Witters wrote: > If anyone is using a Boss Se-50 here's a seriously demented short loop idea. > I suspect this will also work on the Boss Se-70, Roland Gp-8, and Gp-16 > since they are all related, try this on the GT-5 and see if it works. I > always swore I'd keep this secret but, I discovered you can make it glitch > in a beautiful way. Set the delay feedback at 100% then play into the loop. > Enter the menu mode and turn the delay time all the way down. The pitch > won't change but your sound will start to fragment into digital shards > resolving into a chugging locamotive sound, this is fun in itself but keep > going all the way down to about 20ms or less and suddenly a tone will > appear. It sounds a bit like the soundtrack from Atari's Pole Position. > The pitch of this tone, which exists between 1ms and 20ms (+/-), can be > tuned by expanding or shortening the ms allowance. If it starts to fade > just play another note into it. You can get here by simply starting with an > infinite loop of say 20ms or you can scroll down from 1.5 secs. I like the > effect of the later because of the way the note appears out of digital > chaos. I like to use the results in the loops on my Jam Man because you can > twiddle about with the up/down value buttons and play these wacky little > chromatic melodies which sound really unique. If anyone else is abusing an > Se-50 and wants to share carefully guarded secrets I'd love to hear more > ideas. > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 00:23:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA31750; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:23:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:23:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <8745e60.24860ad2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:19:30 EDT Subject: Re: OT - Emagic Audiowerk2 card.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"ImsdD3.0.8T7.F4BLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/1/99 6:47:55 PM, Crossedout@aol.com writes: >anyone have any opinions on the above-mentioned card? Hey, Bill I expect to have one of these before the month is out...so no experience yet, but it seems to be a fantastic bargain, esp. for the Mac, since it comes with a Masterlist equivalent, plus ASIO and Sound Manager drivers, and its daddy, the aw8 got good reviews for its A/D converters. Describing it recently to a Sweetwater salesman (reading from the Harmony central press release) was kinda fun, since he was trying to sell me some other nearly $1000 card with very fussy tastes regarding compatible CD burners PLUS Masterlist for another $400+. He seemed to be watching the digital audio landscape change before his very eyes as he pulled up the aw2 data on his own computer... The eMagic tech guy I spoke to was very definite about how UNfussy the aw2 would be re: other hardware, but that remains to be seen of course. Please post or PEM anything you learn about it. Thanks David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 01:08:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA07369; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:08:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:08:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990602045604.10727.rocketmail@web103.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Before I buy a Vortex... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"JKjIs2.0.jI1.ibBLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just bought a new Vortex last week from Big City Music. http://www.bigcitymusic.com The price was $319 +s/h (I also had to lay out an extra six dollars because I used a credit card). The guy's name is Roger & he told me that he had several more new ones in stock. The one that I received had definately never been opened. If I recall correctly, the Lexicon inspection slip inside indicated that mine was manufactured in 1993. It could be worth the extra money just to have one with no mileage on the knobs. It seems that I read in the LD archives that the knobs were the parts most prone to going bad. Mine checks out fine so far. I just haven't had time to do anything more than check the presets. I'm looking forward to introducing it to my EDP. Oh, I printed the applications guide from the Vortex page at LD. You might have to have a color printer though. Mine printed out in light blue print. John --- Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > I'm about to spend $250 on a used Vortex...anybody > wanna make me a better > offer before I send the check? > > ...and does anybody know where I can get a copy of > the Applications guide > that used to come with 'em? Lexicon Customer Service > hadn't a clue. > Thanks! > David Coffin > you can call me at work--800-283-7252, ext. 518 > > === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 01:45:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA13405; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:45:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:45:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3754C35A.67F562F5@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 22:38:40 -0700 From: Paul Ill Reply-To: paulill@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03C-NSCP (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Before I buy a Vortex... References: <9588c3d3.24859ead@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zLzcc2.0.w-2.DCCLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com check w/ guitar center. isn't it published on the lexicon website? if not i can make you a copy of mine...it should be on the wb somewhere...peace, paulDpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > I'm about to spend $250 on a used Vortex...anybody wanna make me a better > offer before I send the check? > > ...and does anybody know where I can get a copy of the Applications guide > that used to come with 'em? Lexicon Customer Service hadn't a clue. > Thanks! > David Coffin > you can call me at work--800-283-7252, ext. 518 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 03:48:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA01625; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:48:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:48:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3754E056.9370CE20@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:42:14 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It just goes... References: <006101beac96$68963960$2a964e0c@u73x0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oYSJ71.0.QG.D1ELt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Man, you are definitely going crazy! No- kidding- actually you are blessed in noticing so many details in the everyday things around you- sounds like a potential source of creative inspiration! Cliff James Pokorny wrote: > Stephan said: > > >I often notice (or maybe > >just lapse into a particular state) that when in a "noisy" environment such > as a > >crowded restaurant, an effort can be made to treat all of the various > sounds > >(snippets of conversations, clinks of glass and silverware, etc., at > various > >frequencies) in a detached or homogeneous way. The result is a rather > smooth > >cacophony that rises and falls with bits of recognizable verbage coming > >occasionlly to the surface. It takes a little effort to treat all of the > sound > >sources in such an environment as totally equal with no intrinsic meaning > in > >terms of language, etc., but the result is a very interesting and somewhat > >exhilarating, "sound collage" experience. > > > >This is probably brought on by many years of intense listening to music of > >various sorts (including my own) > > I think we're getting back into the realm of "loop religion" here! I've had > similar experiences where I tend to zone out by intensely concentrating on > and/or suddenly becoming aware of all the surrounding sounds. I realize > that this is recommended within Buddhism as an exercise in centering and > focus. I'm no student of Buddhism, but I always liked this idea, at least > in theory. And I believe that this was the basis of John Cage's > experimental "composition" called 4'33" (performer sits behind instrument > and remains silent for 4 minutes and 33 seconds -- the point being that all > the ambient sounds of the hall [papers rustling, throats clearing, overhead > fans whirring, etc.] ARE the music.) > > But to be honest, I get a little frightened when I realize that I've been > driving on an expressway at 75 mph with the windows down and enjoying the > "musical content" of vehicles rushing by in the opposite lanes, horns > honking, all the pings and buzzes that emanate from my dashboard, etc. It > makes me think -- OK, it's great that I can think of this as "music" -- but > I should be concentrating more on my driving! I wouldn't want the > performance to end with squealing brakes and crunching metal. > > A month or two ago I was walking down several flights of stairs in my > building at work. The steam pipes starting hissing and giving off a fairly > strident, screechy sound. But then a second tone arose, quickly followed by > a third. Despite the unpleasant texture of the hiss, the resulting chord > was really quite lovely. It made me wonder how often this sort of thing > occurs. I had the idea that I'd wind up sneaking away from my desk and > spending hours loitering in the stairwell waiting for it to happen again. > But common sense prevailed and I haven't started this practice. Yet. > > A rather more pleasant experience occurred last week. I woke up at about > 4:30 in the morning because all the birds outside my window were waking up > (these birds are LOUD). Usually when this happens I get angry since it's > hard to get back to sleep for another hour until they calm down, which is > when I'm getting up anyway. But this one morning I sort of slowly drifted > into wakefulness, suddenly realizing that each different bird was singing > it's own "looped" melodic pattern, which would come around again and again. > There must have been six or seven different species of birds, because there > was a real sense of order -- one "loop" running and interacting with > another, some moments of silence, more "loops" entering, etc. It was a very > full sound altogether, and also much more soothing than I'd ever thought > possible. I had always regarded the use of bird sounds in recorded music as > being extremely trite, but this was music enough in itself and didn't need > any human interaction (except for the listening). I don't know that I would > ever have come to this realization if I hadn't been involved in looping. > > So I'm having somewhat of a dilemma here -- am I evolving as a listener to > the point where random sound can be as pleasant and meaningful as > "structured" music, or am I just losing it big time? > > James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 04:25:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA04643; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:25:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:25:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3754E42D.10D2E189@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:58:37 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Before I buy a Vortex... References: <19990602045604.10727.rocketmail@web103.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aRgYT3.0.ak.hLELt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John Tidwell wrote: > I just bought a new Vortex last week from Big City > Music. http://www.bigcitymusic.com > > The price was $319 +s/h (I also had to lay out an > extra > six dollars because I used a credit card). ahhhh... this makes me feel *just a little* better about forking out AU$700 for an ex-demo 'texter (yep. that was me a while ago contemplating this less-than-ideal-we've-got-one-left deal... managed to talk them down from AU$800.. \begin{sarcasm} woohoo \end{sarcasm}... at least i'm not the US$700-for-a-used-jamman guy tho! :) that said.... believe the hype... the 'texter is without doubt a very strange creature in dire need of a mood management course. capable of subtly caressing or totally and brutally mangling a loop. capable of tangentalising(?) the feel of delay based rhythmic loops...all very organically... one minute it's a toy making fart noises and the next it's a surreal whispering chasm... and now that i've justified the purchase to myself... does anyone else have this problem (bug?) : with a footpedal connected (i found the cheap-assed "proel" expression/vol pedal works a treat) and bypassed, the 'texter seems to not accept a delay tap from the front panel 100% of the time (and yes, this is with the parameter knob pointing at one of the "echo /"s).. not serious i guess but unpredictable therefore infuriating... brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 05:37:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA10249; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 05:37:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 05:37:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <830441bb.24865075@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 05:16:37 EDT Subject: Re: OT - Emagic Audiowerk2 card.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"lfLFz3.0.592.WQFLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm currently using the Audiowerk8 card with Logic and it works great. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 06:11:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA12446; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:11:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:11:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 05:04:38 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Scotty Moore? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"J846-1.0.Ey2.Z7GLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Spare Scotty Moore? Last I heard he was doing special recording projects with various 50s recording artists. Why would we ask that the governor of Oklahoma "spare" him? Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 06:22:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA13445; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:22:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:22:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906021020.MAA01305@aristotele.atene.it> From: "roberto briozzo" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:15:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Scotty Moore? Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.02b14) Resent-Message-ID: <"jbrio.0.2B3.SIGLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what a funny joke..... > Spare Scotty Moore? > > Last I heard he was doing special recording projects with various 50s > recording artists. Why would we ask that the governor of Oklahoma "spare" > him? > > Todd Madson > Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. > http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html > canemacchina briozzo@atene.it icq 25922888 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 06:17:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA13065; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:17:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:17:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:10:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: KK NULL In DC Tonight Resent-Message-ID: <"aQcD32.0.O53.DEGLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't know if he uses any loop boxes but the man loves to drone. Tonight at the Velvet Lounge on 915 U St. NW in WAshington DC as part of the Emergent Music Forum. ------------------- Wed 6/2/99 [Rah Bras] -from richmond va "Featuring members of Sleepytime Trio, Mens Recovery Project, and Damn Near Red! Richmond, VA's Rah Bras have begun the upheaval of the masses via their 'rondo'-core that they have created in their secret laboratories. Blending surrealism, and various eclectic musical influences to form extremely hooky and interesting non-guitar rock! Some say their music fits well in bars that Silons (see: Battlestar Galactica) frequent, or perhaps music for disassembling computers by... either way, the Rah Bras are HERE." -Lovitt Records website http://www.lovitt.com/ [Damien Catera] -Memeber Con Demek takes sampled, processed guitars, and restructures them. Touring with KK Null. [KK Null] -Kazuyuki K. Null: Founder of one of the first noise groups to emerge from Japan, KK Null will present a wall of sound, performing solo guitar and electronics. Well known for his Japanese metal-noise group, Zeni Geva [includes Mitsuru Tabata and Eito Noro], Null has collaborated with some of the finest musicians around including Tatsuya Yoshida [Ruins], Jim O'Rourke [Gastr del Sol], Steve Albini and Fred Frith. Null's fierce sound is often tempered by his apparent appreciation for composition and texture. __________________________________________ Patrick http://www.fingerpain.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 06:43:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA15223; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:43:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:43:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375516C2.5239C7F8@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:34:27 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: audiowerk 2 (off topic) References: <199906020705.DAA27385@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Nb6Ws.0.Ha3.uZGLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The recent thread about that let me hope. I'd like to buy a card. I have a VERY limited amount of money for it and would need principally just audio in and out both analogue and digital. Is this card able to work with cubase VST??? Sorry for pushing the off topic line a little more.. Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 07:44:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA19109; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:44:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:44:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Alan.Maguire@CERT.IE Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subject: Re: It just goes... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <01JBXB0V2C8Q00C3DW@kira.team400.ie> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-description: TEXT.TXT Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: <"wULrI.0.RR4.tMHLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >j.pokornoy wrote: >So I'm having somewhat of a dilemma here -- am I evolving as a listener to >the point where random sound can be as pleasant and meaningful as >"structured" music, or am I just losing it big time? >James I think I have the same problem. But not quite. If random sound can be percieved musically, what is the need for structure? Why pay money for an album of found sound, when you can just pop out to the stairway and find some sounds of your own? Also, does this ability to hear pan-cromatic resonance in highly ambient domains reprasent a higher form of perception? Or just a different kind? Cheers, Al. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 09:17:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA30573; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:17:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:17:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:54:46 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: TC 2290 a request and a warning Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199906020854_MC2-77E5-247C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"5ge_x.0.-Z6.FdILt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I found the tc 0050 remote control, it's black, about 2 1/4 x 15 1/2", connects via a standard guitar cord and is very sturdy with five broad, noiseless knobs. = I think I want ca. 40$ for it if that is o.k. with you depending on how much it will cost you to have it shipped. The hard part is figuring out h= ow to manage the transaction/shipment. German Post will not do reimbursement= s to the US, maybe you can check with UPS, they are quite big here. If reimbursement won't work at all (or maybe it's to expensive) I am willing to send the box away with no money upfront but only if they bill you with the freightmoney upon delivery. If that doesn't work either, we'= ll have to find out about shipping, you'll send me the grand total (check or= sim.) and I'll send away the stuff but that's gonna take some time. Tax or customs shouldn't be a problem with a used guitarpart of low value= . I hope we can sort this out, best, Andreas Willers = From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 09:09:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA29189; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:09:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:09:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37552C46.43C2@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:06:14 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Korg ToneWorks AX1-G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wk6eG2.0.Ly6.xlILt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > At 10:44 AM -0700 5/31/99, Hawkeye255@aol.com wrote: > >I use the Akai Headrush everyday and I get NO AUDIBLE CLICK unless I miss the > >loop point badly. Any sampler will click when the end of the loop and the > >beginning of the loop are out of phase. And they will not click when the end > >of loop and beginning of loop are in phase. "Somedays timing is everything." > > this would be true except for devices designed specifically not to click at > the endpoint of the loop. (which I think should be the case for anything > designed for looping!) We designed the echoplex this way, where it does a > quick crossfade between endpoint and startpoint, so you don't get a click. > In fact, I think the design was always that way, it seemed like a pretty > obvious requirement right from the start. I'm rather surprised that some of > these looping devices coming out now didn't do something similar. You > should be able to play anything into the loop, right up to the endpoint and > beyond, and never get a click. > > kim Kim, With my DJRND2, there is no crossfade between endpoint and startpoint during a loop recording ! I just record the phrase just as it is without any signal processing, and except in specific cases, it works in 99 percent most of the time due to my tempo accuracy. But shure this device is more designed for Djs than for musicians, and of course more critical with basslines on live. Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 09:57:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA04168; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:57:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:57:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37553072.B00F22B2@in2win.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:24:02 +0200 From: mark Organization: in2win Interactive Learning Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It just goes... References: <006101beac96$68963960$2a964e0c@u73x0> <3754E056.9370CE20@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark.francombe@in2win.com Resent-Message-ID: <"w3Bk8.0.ak7.o1JLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did this thread start with something to do with looping? Who cares? Its weird... Has any one had the experience while listening to something over and over like a rythmic loop, you start to concentrate on the gaps of silence in between the sounds and the rythum that they produce...hmm does this make sense? god it is easy to sound like a weirdo isnt it? MArk Francombe XXX Clifford Novey wrote: > > Man, you are definitely going crazy! > > No- kidding- actually you are blessed in noticing so many details in the > everyday things around you- sounds like a potential source of creative > inspiration! > > Cliff > > James Pokorny wrote: > > > Stephan said: > > > > >I often notice (or maybe > > >just lapse into a particular state) that when in a "noisy" environment such > > as a > > >crowded restaurant, an effort can be made to treat all of the various > > sounds > > >(snippets of conversations, clinks of glass and silverware, etc., at > > various > > >frequencies) in a detached or homogeneous way. The result is a rather > > smooth > > >cacophony that rises and falls with bits of recognizable verbage coming > > >occasionlly to the surface. It takes a little effort to treat all of the > > sound > > >sources in such an environment as totally equal with no intrinsic meaning > > in > > >terms of language, etc., but the result is a very interesting and somewhat > > >exhilarating, "sound collage" experience. > > > > > >This is probably brought on by many years of intense listening to music of > > >various sorts (including my own) > > > > I think we're getting back into the realm of "loop religion" here! I've had > > similar experiences where I tend to zone out by intensely concentrating on > > and/or suddenly becoming aware of all the surrounding sounds. I realize > > that this is recommended within Buddhism as an exercise in centering and > > focus. I'm no student of Buddhism, but I always liked this idea, at least > > in theory. And I believe that this was the basis of John Cage's > > experimental "composition" called 4'33" (performer sits behind instrument > > and remains silent for 4 minutes and 33 seconds -- the point being that all > > the ambient sounds of the hall [papers rustling, throats clearing, overhead > > fans whirring, etc.] ARE the music.) > > > > But to be honest, I get a little frightened when I realize that I've been > > driving on an expressway at 75 mph with the windows down and enjoying the > > "musical content" of vehicles rushing by in the opposite lanes, horns > > honking, all the pings and buzzes that emanate from my dashboard, etc. It > > makes me think -- OK, it's great that I can think of this as "music" -- but > > I should be concentrating more on my driving! I wouldn't want the > > performance to end with squealing brakes and crunching metal. > > > > A month or two ago I was walking down several flights of stairs in my > > building at work. The steam pipes starting hissing and giving off a fairly > > strident, screechy sound. But then a second tone arose, quickly followed by > > a third. Despite the unpleasant texture of the hiss, the resulting chord > > was really quite lovely. It made me wonder how often this sort of thing > > occurs. I had the idea that I'd wind up sneaking away from my desk and > > spending hours loitering in the stairwell waiting for it to happen again. > > But common sense prevailed and I haven't started this practice. Yet. > > > > A rather more pleasant experience occurred last week. I woke up at about > > 4:30 in the morning because all the birds outside my window were waking up > > (these birds are LOUD). Usually when this happens I get angry since it's > > hard to get back to sleep for another hour until they calm down, which is > > when I'm getting up anyway. But this one morning I sort of slowly drifted > > into wakefulness, suddenly realizing that each different bird was singing > > it's own "looped" melodic pattern, which would come around again and again. > > There must have been six or seven different species of birds, because there > > was a real sense of order -- one "loop" running and interacting with > > another, some moments of silence, more "loops" entering, etc. It was a very > > full sound altogether, and also much more soothing than I'd ever thought > > possible. I had always regarded the use of bird sounds in recorded music as > > being extremely trite, but this was music enough in itself and didn't need > > any human interaction (except for the listening). I don't know that I would > > ever have come to this realization if I hadn't been involved in looping. > > > > So I'm having somewhat of a dilemma here -- am I evolving as a listener to > > the point where random sound can be as pleasant and meaningful as > > "structured" music, or am I just losing it big time? > > > > James -- \ -\ --\ ---\ ----\ -----\ ------\ -------\ --------\ ---------\ ----------\ -----------\ ------------\ mark-red-----\ --------------\ ---------------\ work------------\ -----------------\ in2win------------\ -------------------\ multimedia-designer-\ ovre-slottsgate-5----\ 0157-oslo-------------\ tlf.--22-40-29-94------\ fax--22-42-14-24--------\ e-mail--mark@in2win.com--\ web--http-//www.in2win.com\ ---------------------------\ ----------------------------\ personal---------------------\ tlf.-22-43-10-79--------------\ mob.-91-56-99-88---------------\ mark@8day.com-------------------\ christine@8day.com---------------\ ----------------------------------\ -----------------------------------\ redweb------------------------------\ http-//www.8day.com/redweb-----------\ --------------------------------------\ ---------------------------------------\ icq-4531031-----------------------------\ -----------------------------------------\ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 10:45:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA12488; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:45:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:45:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <021001bead04$92258740$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: John Cage recordings Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:31:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ExOcH.0.6i2.p7KLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I hope somebody else will find this as funny as I did. The past week-end I wandered into the local Barnes and Noble looking for a John Cage recording. "What section?", I asked myself since virtually all music MUST BE CLASSIFIED (check the Music Business Police Handbook under "retail sales"). "Pop/Rock? Folk?, New Age, Classical?" I found John Cage in "Classical." I laughed out loud. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com - From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 10:22:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA08259; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:22:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:22:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <017201beacfd$a19f0810$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: It just goes... Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:41:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"mBNUP1.0.6g.GPJLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >It takes a little effort to treat all of the sound >sources in such an environment as totally equal with no intrinsic meaning in >terms of language, etc., but the result is a very interesting and somewhat >exhilarating, "sound collage" experience. Yes! Become a receiver (but not interpreter) of the sonic environment. It's kind of dis-embodying (is that a word?). Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 11:37:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA21660; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:37:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:37:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <612a188d.2486a74e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:27:10 EDT Subject: Re: Korg ToneWorks AX1-G To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"GLckP3.0.7s4.0sKLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, Another place to check out for pricings on the Zoom 2100, is http://www.wmcworld.com wherein they are selling it at $130.00 with the power adapter. The expression pedal is another $50.00 L8r on, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 10:41:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA11654; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:41:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:41:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <01b601bead02$9612d8f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: It just goes... Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:17:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ldEhZ1.0.X32.WwJLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >So I'm having somewhat of a dilemma here -- am I evolving as a listener to >the point where random sound can be as pleasant and meaningful as >"structured" music, or am I just losing it big time? Why not both? :) Some John Cage quotes: * "Beauty is now underfoot wherever we take the trouble to look" * "Noises, too, had been discriminated against; and being American, having been trained to be sentimental, I fought for noises. I liked being on the side of the underdog. I got police permission to play sirens...But quiet sounds were like loneliness, or love or friendship. Permanent, I thought, values, independent at least from Life, Time, and Coca-Cola. I must say I still feel this way, but something else is happening; I begin to hear the old sounds - the ones I had thought worn out, worn out by intellectualization - I begin to hear the old sounds as though they are not worn out. Obviously, they are not worn out. They are just as audible as the new sounds. Thinking had worn them out. And if one stops thinking about them, suddenly they are fresh and new. 'If you think you are a ghost you will become a ghost.' Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 10:50:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA13301; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:50:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:50:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37549A21.7C74B56E@hom.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 22:42:41 -0400 From: Daniel Ferguson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It just goes... References: <006101beac96$68963960$2a964e0c@u73x0> <3754E056.9370CE20@earthlink.net> <37553072.B00F22B2@in2win.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L4Zm4.0.Cu2.YBKLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Music is typically written by concentrating on the gaps of silence. Daniel Ferguson mark wrote: > > Has any one had the experience while listening to something over and > over like a rythmic loop, you start to concentrate on the gaps of > silence in between the sounds and the rythum that they produce...hmm > does this make sense? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 12:11:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA29387; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:11:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:11:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <002f01bead10$531268f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: vocalists? Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:55:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"MRpop2.0.vh6.0NLLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is anybody doing loops with primarily or exclusively vocals? I.e., all or most sounds are vocally produced? Do you have example, mp3 files, etc.? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 11:42:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA22926; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:42:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:42:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <8d127913.2486a66d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:23:25 EDT Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"iO9mS.0.eh4.YoKLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To my namesake, Hey, let's get a few more together and really confuse a few cats, eh? ;) Found out that the problem is when you let the Zoom 2100 actually over-write itself when sampling what I am playing. There is also the issue, that when it samples, it is none-too-forgiving on the pickups. I am finding that my pickups are a little on the microphonic side of one ax, and not on a few others. The "click" it would seem was me, actually tapping the pickup, in beat to my depressing the pedal, either 1, 2, or 3. LOL! Guess, that I wasn't meant to be a drummer. Anywho, the nice thing is that I have sussed out a few of my worries with the unit, and am still exploring the beastie. Found a few new phaser sounds in it from the edits that are really killer! Thanks again. Lee-ohki. PS. At least I didn't say, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, Eggs, Bacon, Lee, SPAM,... For a different loop of sorts... ^_^ L. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 12:12:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA29519; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:12:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:12:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <6dd59fc0.2486afab@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:02:51 EDT Subject: Re: It just goes... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"HKdeh1.0.pm6.MOLLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, we're all a little loopy on this list. Sorry about the bad pun, but I just couldn't help it! Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 14:01:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA17487; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:01:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:01:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: RE: Zoom 2100 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:34:22 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bead1e$26fb9a80$fef1fbd0@futurepe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <612a188d.2486a74e@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"bNTNN1.0.n33.wiMLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can any passive volume pedal be used?? Or do ya need theirs? And did we ever get a full review of the Zoom 2100? If not, can someone write it? Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave   > > Dear all, > > Another place to check out for pricings on the Zoom 2100, is > http://www.wmcworld.com wherein they are selling it at $130.00 with the > power adapter. The expression pedal is another $50.00 > > L8r on, > > Lee-ohki. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 14:50:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA27381; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:50:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:50:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01bead27$e32c1780$2880dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <021001bead04$92258740$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: John Cage recordings Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:44:02 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"tPO_c.0.vP6.ujNLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I suspect that it's because there were wind instruments involved, eh? I've had the same conundrum with Eno, who's been found in Electronic, New Age, Experimental, Pop/Rock, Rock/R&B (!), but NOT classical. Guess they never heard Discreet Music... Alas, one must merely be entertained by the sheer pig ignorance of music industry people, which is as constant as the stars in heaven. One then must be as constant in their drive to create, despite such inane forces. Stephen Goodman * It's the Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net Dennis W. Leas put forth... > The past week-end I wandered into the local Barnes and Noble looking for a > John Cage recording. "What section?", I asked myself since virtually all > music MUST BE CLASSIFIED (check the Music Business Police Handbook under > "retail sales"). "Pop/Rock? Folk?, New Age, Classical?" I found John Cage > in "Classical." I laughed out loud. > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > - > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 15:10:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA31321; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:10:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:10:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01a201bead2b$28cee800$242310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: , Subject: Product reviews Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:05:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"uWIkl.0.oD7.O_NLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Akai Headrush is reviewed in England's "the Guitar Magazine" (May issue) with NO mention of the 11-plus or 23-plus second delay/looping capabilities. The review mentions "just under two seconds sampling time"!!?!? Also, just thought y'all would like to know that the ElectroVoice MicroSynth which I reviewed is on the news stands now - Guitar World Magazine, July issue. Thank you all for your contributing remarks. The editor(s) did cut a comment or three on the construction of the box, which is dismal (both the construction and the editing). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 15:24:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA02174; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:24:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:24:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37552C46.43C2@club-internet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:05:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Korg ToneWorks AX1-G Resent-Message-ID: <"5ate32.0.eH7.j0OLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 6:06 AM -0700 6/2/99, PERILLE wrote: >> At 10:44 AM -0700 5/31/99, Hawkeye255@aol.com wrote: >> >I use the Akai Headrush everyday and I get NO AUDIBLE CLICK unless I >>miss the >> >loop point badly. Any sampler will click when the end of the loop and the >> >beginning of the loop are out of phase. And they will not click when >>the end >> >of loop and beginning of loop are in phase. "Somedays timing is >>everything." >> >> this would be true except for devices designed specifically not to click at >> the endpoint of the loop. (which I think should be the case for anything >> designed for looping!) We designed the echoplex this way, where it does a >> quick crossfade between endpoint and startpoint, so you don't get a click. >> In fact, I think the design was always that way, it seemed like a pretty >> obvious requirement right from the start. I'm rather surprised that some of >> these looping devices coming out now didn't do something similar. You >> should be able to play anything into the loop, right up to the endpoint and >> beyond, and never get a click. >> >> kim > >Kim, > >With my DJRND2, there is no crossfade between endpoint and startpoint >during a loop recording ! > >I just record the phrase just as it is without any signal processing, >and except in specific cases, it works in 99 percent most of the time >due to my tempo accuracy. > >But shure this device is more designed for Djs than for musicians, and >of course more critical with basslines on live. > >Emmanuel So, if there is still audio playing in at the point where you end the loop, you probably get a click, right? If you don't do a crossfade or use zero-crossing tricks, I don't see how you could prevent that. The discontinuity between the end sample and the start sample will sometimes be big enough to be an audible click. I guess the typical dj would be looping something with a percussive attack at the beginning of the loop, so maybe it's not so noticeable for that case. But just wait, there will be some guy who finds it screws up his music, and boy will he complain! :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 15:10:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA31427; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:10:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:10:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01a001bead2b$25bb8d80$242310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Stephan Ball" , Subject: Re: It just goes... Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:04:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lJQma3.0.tC7.K_NLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stephan Ball's comment on the texture of conversation reminds me of an observation I once read about and have subsequently observed myself: groups of people tend to converse in waves of about 15 to 20 minutes. If you enter the state that Stephan refers to (perhaps we could call it a focused division of attention) you will often hear the volume and complexity of crosstalk rise and fall in these long waves. I feel it's important for all musicians to bring their attention to these kinds of cycles, particularly when performing live. On some of my best solo gigs I've felt I could "ride the waves" of the listeners and maintain attention to the performance by holding an awareness of this phenomenon. I believe looping in general has a real atraction for those who (either consciously or not) seek a resonance with these slower cycles. >I know this is getting pretty far out in OT land, but I often notice (or maybe >just lapse into a particular state) that when in a "noisy" environment such as a >crowded restaurant, an effort can be made to treat all of the various sounds >(snippets of conversations, clinks of glass and silverware, etc., at various >frequencies) in a detached or homogeneous way. The result is a rather smooth >cacophony that rises and falls with bits of recognizable verbage coming >occasionlly to the surface. It takes a little effort to treat all of the sound >sources in such an environment as totally equal with no intrinsic meaning in >terms of language, etc., but the result is a very interesting and somewhat >exhilarating, "sound collage" experience. > >This is probably brought on by many years of intense listening to music of >various sorts (including my own) and probably fostered my current interest in >some of the more ambient derivations of electronica by groups such as the Orb >and FSOL. The point in all this? Uh, well.... > >Steve > > >K. Douglas Baldwin wrote: > >> .....If I keep any loop on long enough (anywhere from a half hour to one hour >> or more), I have very pleasant audio hallucinations where EVERYTHING sounds >> like it's part of the loop AFTER the loop is turned off. LaMonte Young kept >> carefully tuned oscillators playing in his home for months at a time, which >> possibly would create a similar effect. Comments from others? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 15:41:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA05779; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:41:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:41:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37558574.5F148D3B@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:26:44 -0400 From: Stephan Ball X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It just goes... References: <01b601bead02$9612d8f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wtob13.0.3O.qHOLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think this is at the heart of this "concept" (an intellectualization in itself?); it's kind of a burdon being lifted feeling, if you will. The suspension of the constraints of attaching some kind of value or definition to aural, as well as other, events is central to the attractiveness. Like a psychological coffee break. Casteneda would call it suspending the internal dialog. What does this have to do with looping? Er...uh..., oh yea, you could record the ambient sounds inside that restaurant on a portable DAT and feed them into your looper.... yea, that's the ticket. Seriously though, I think this is fundamental to the attraction of looping; using "pieces" of sound in a different and consistently changing context. To my mind, that's as valid a musical concept as recurring themes played on various instruments (sort of). Steve Cincinnati Dennis W. Leas wrote: > Some John Cage quotes: > ............I begin to hear the old sounds - the ones I had thought worn out, > worn out by intellectualization - I begin to hear the old sounds as though > they are not worn out. Obviously, they are not worn out. They are just as > audible as the new sounds. Thinking had worn them out. And if one stops > thinking about them, suddenly they are fresh and new. 'If you think you are > a ghost you will become a ghost.'............ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 15:35:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA04587; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:35:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:35:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01a101bead2b$272cd0c0$242310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "James Pokorny" , Subject: Re: It just goes... Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:04:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"nTbTa2.0.bD7.N_NLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, we are getting into loop religion here, and it's probably a good idea to consider some form of "grounding" whenever one begins to diddle with these higher states. It is decidedly NOT a good idea to zone out on the overtones while navigating the Autobahn (or the Long Island Expressway, or Interstate 80, or while tending the tribe's fire, or when sawing wood with a radial arm saw, or... you get the picture) I begin by focusing on my breathing and my physical presence if I feel a little too light. Contrariwise, I've maintained that if one really wants to know what psychotropic drugs can do, just stay awake for twenty-four hours drinking coffee, then don a set of headphones with some seventies-era Steve Reich and go to the local shopping mall on foot. Another important lesson for me has been to learn to enjoy the moment, and walk away, letting go of it. If I chased down every sound that caught my ear, I'd get nothing done! Sometimes it's more important to do the housework than to capture sounds which should remain free. That having been said, one of my all-time favorite tapes is of sunrise in May, the birds riffing big-time. I can put it on almost any sound system and it recreates the environment beautifully. -----Original Message----- From: James Pokorny To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 9:22 PM Subject: Re: It just goes... >Stephan said: > >>I often notice (or maybe >>just lapse into a particular state) that when in a "noisy" environment such >as a >>crowded restaurant, an effort can be made to treat all of the various >sounds >>(snippets of conversations, clinks of glass and silverware, etc., at >various >>frequencies) in a detached or homogeneous way. The result is a rather >smooth >>cacophony that rises and falls with bits of recognizable verbage coming >>occasionlly to the surface. It takes a little effort to treat all of the >sound >>sources in such an environment as totally equal with no intrinsic meaning >in >>terms of language, etc., but the result is a very interesting and somewhat >>exhilarating, "sound collage" experience. >> >>This is probably brought on by many years of intense listening to music of >>various sorts (including my own) > >I think we're getting back into the realm of "loop religion" here! I've had >similar experiences where I tend to zone out by intensely concentrating on >and/or suddenly becoming aware of all the surrounding sounds. I realize >that this is recommended within Buddhism as an exercise in centering and >focus. I'm no student of Buddhism, but I always liked this idea, at least >in theory. And I believe that this was the basis of John Cage's >experimental "composition" called 4'33" (performer sits behind instrument >and remains silent for 4 minutes and 33 seconds -- the point being that all >the ambient sounds of the hall [papers rustling, throats clearing, overhead >fans whirring, etc.] ARE the music.) > >But to be honest, I get a little frightened when I realize that I've been >driving on an expressway at 75 mph with the windows down and enjoying the >"musical content" of vehicles rushing by in the opposite lanes, horns >honking, all the pings and buzzes that emanate from my dashboard, etc. It >makes me think -- OK, it's great that I can think of this as "music" -- but >I should be concentrating more on my driving! I wouldn't want the >performance to end with squealing brakes and crunching metal. > >A month or two ago I was walking down several flights of stairs in my >building at work. The steam pipes starting hissing and giving off a fairly >strident, screechy sound. But then a second tone arose, quickly followed by >a third. Despite the unpleasant texture of the hiss, the resulting chord >was really quite lovely. It made me wonder how often this sort of thing >occurs. I had the idea that I'd wind up sneaking away from my desk and >spending hours loitering in the stairwell waiting for it to happen again. >But common sense prevailed and I haven't started this practice. Yet. > >A rather more pleasant experience occurred last week. I woke up at about >4:30 in the morning because all the birds outside my window were waking up >(these birds are LOUD). Usually when this happens I get angry since it's >hard to get back to sleep for another hour until they calm down, which is >when I'm getting up anyway. But this one morning I sort of slowly drifted >into wakefulness, suddenly realizing that each different bird was singing >it's own "looped" melodic pattern, which would come around again and again. >There must have been six or seven different species of birds, because there >was a real sense of order -- one "loop" running and interacting with >another, some moments of silence, more "loops" entering, etc. It was a very >full sound altogether, and also much more soothing than I'd ever thought >possible. I had always regarded the use of bird sounds in recorded music as >being extremely trite, but this was music enough in itself and didn't need >any human interaction (except for the listening). I don't know that I would >ever have come to this realization if I hadn't been involved in looping. > >So I'm having somewhat of a dilemma here -- am I evolving as a listener to >the point where random sound can be as pleasant and meaningful as >"structured" music, or am I just losing it big time? > >James > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 16:14:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA12755; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:14:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:14:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906021935.PAA04511@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: vocalists? Resent-Message-ID: <"8ZAZS1.0.981.UUOLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dennis, Some of the stuff we do as Dreamchild features vocal looping. The only available one recorded at the moment is conveniently on our mp3.com page. Its called "The Sirens'Song" and is at mp3.com/dreamchild. We're working on some new material that also includes vocal looping, but it'll be awhile before its all recorded. Frank Gerace Dreamchild http://www.channel1.com/users/seahorse http://mp3.com/dreamchild PS: andre, looking forward tp project obeject in Boston! At 10:55 AM 6/2/99 -0500, you wrote: >Is anybody doing loops with primarily or exclusively vocals? I.e., all or >most sounds are vocally produced? Do you have example, mp3 files, etc.? > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 16:10:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA11854; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:10:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:10:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375588B1.19CC4FF5@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:40:33 -0400 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It just goes... References: <01b601bead02$9612d8f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> <37558574.5F148D3B@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N0VwJ2.0.FQ1.SZOLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When my wife was pregnant, we were able to hear the baby's heartbeat with something called a Doppler (I think). Anyway, I couldn't help but thinking it would be interesting to get one of those, apply it to your own body and run the results through the usual host of processors. I wonder what it would be like to be surrounded by the sound of your own blood coursing through your body? And what would happen if you started delaying or shifting that sound? Would it be disorienting to have something that is so intimately a part of you (the rhythm of your heartbeat) being projected externally and then altered in ways that you would know (hope?) aren't happening in your body? Someday perhaps I'll try this (commercial Dopplers are now available at about $40) Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 16:42:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA19136; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:42:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:42:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01c201bead33$ace0bee0$db6cad98@stu.wesleyan.edu> From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: John Cage Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:08:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"K0VJr3.0.ot2.H-OLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Cage-ian things people were saying led me to hunt down a sight with his classic Indeterminacy stories: http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/~eddietwo/indeterminacy/ Two in particular come to mind a la looping. The first relates to what someone said about loops "changing" while staying the same: (wacky spacing not mine) At the New School once I was substituting for Henry Cowell, teaching a class in Oriental music. I had told him I didn't know anything about the subject. He said, ``That's all right. Just go where the records are. Take one out. Play it and then discuss it with the class.'' Well, I took out the first record. It was an LP of a Buddhist service. It began with a short microtonal chant with sliding tones, then soon settled into a single loud reiterated percussive beat. This noise continued relentlessly for about fifteen minutes with no perceptible variation. A lady got up and screamed, and then yelled, ``Take it off. I can't bear it any longer.'' I took it off. A man in the class then said angrily, ``Why'd you take it off? I was just getting interested.'' **** Then there's this one: In Zen they say: If something is boring after two minutes, try it for four. If still boring, try it for eight, sixteen, thirty-two, and so on. Eventually one discovers that it's not boring at all but very interesting. -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 16:34:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA17597; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:34:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:34:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <1fcf5cfe.2486eab9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:14:49 EDT Subject: Re: Product reviews akai headrush in English gtr mag To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"R5ENN1.0.lB3.R3PLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i noticed that too. did they change the delay time? 11 vs. 1 seconds seems like a pretty big difference!! not easy to mistake that even if you don't count mississippi's. =-) pj From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 16:30:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA16582; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:30:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:30:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990602200949.014871d0@gwis.com> X-Sender: artshop@gwis.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:09:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Gary Davis Subject: Re: John Cage recordings Cc: dennis@mdbs.com Resent-Message-ID: <"YjWss1.0.D-2.C0PLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:09 PM 6/2/99 -0400, Dennis wrote: > >I hope somebody else will find this as funny as I did. > >The past week-end I wandered into the local Barnes and Noble looking for a >John Cage recording. "What section?", I asked myself since virtually all >music MUST BE CLASSIFIED (check the Music Business Police Handbook under >"retail sales"). "Pop/Rock? Folk?, New Age, Classical?" I found John Cage >in "Classical." I laughed out loud. While I can see the humor in Dennis' situation, in thinking about it, I'm not sure I would have found any other categories applied to Cage as being less funny. After all, if you had to pick, how would you classify Cage? His earlier material - 30's and 40's - sounds like progressive rock to me. I especially love his percussion and prepared piano pieces - so far ahead of their time. From the 50's on, when he began composing through chance operations, could fall into a couple areas for me. For the quieter pieces a classification of ambient sounds reasonable while the louder works might go well with the RIO, Rock In Opposition, crowd. If you're looking for an interesting starting point for Cage, a few years ago I produced an album in tribute to Cage called A Chance Operation. It was a double disc set that featured such artists as Laurie Anderson, Frank Zappa, Kronos Quartet, John Cale, Robert Ashley and many more, 22 artists in all. It got quite a bit of positive press at the time. You'll find info about it at . Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop@artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 17:02:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA23491; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:02:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:02:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D72C@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Product reviews akai headrush in English gtr mag Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:56:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"sj5Y5.0.XP5.yfPLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com mine sure seems way longer than one second . . . probably a proofing/editing glitch. stig > -----Original Message----- > From: PJBMHB@aol.com [SMTP:PJBMHB@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 13:15 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Product reviews akai headrush in English gtr mag > > i noticed that too. did they change the delay time? 11 vs. 1 seconds seems > > like a pretty big difference!! not easy to mistake that even if you don't > count mississippi's. > =-) pj From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 16:55:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA21910; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:55:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:55:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:46:42 EDT Subject: Re: It just goes... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"I0XdB3.0.805.IZPLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/2/99 3:10:09 PM Central Daylight Time, kevin@minds-eye.org writes: << When my wife was pregnant, we were able to hear the baby's heartbeat with something called a Doppler (I think). Anyway, I couldn't help but thinking it would be interesting to get one of those, apply it to your own body and run the results through the usual host of processors. >> There is a Japanese artist called Aube that uses single sound sources for his compositions (e.g. a song composed out of noises made from a book [flipping pages, crumpling paper, etc], songs composed of water dripping noises, sheets of metal manipulated, etc) who made a release using sounds gathered from a similar medical scanning machine, so all the sound sources he processed came from within his body. Not sure of the name of this record, if anyone is really interested let me know and I'll try to dig up more info. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 18:59:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA12940; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:59:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:59:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3755B4BB.9BA@club-internet.fr> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 00:48:27 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Korg ToneWorks AX1-G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TcNMP1.0.yd2.nHRLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >> At 10:44 AM -0700 5/31/99, Hawkeye255@aol.com wrote: > >> >I use the Akai Headrush everyday and I get NO AUDIBLE CLICK unless I > >>miss the > >> >loop point badly. Any sampler will click when the end of the loop and the > >> >beginning of the loop are out of phase. And they will not click when > >>the end > >> >of loop and beginning of loop are in phase. "Somedays timing is > >>everything." > >> > >> this would be true except for devices designed specifically not to click at > >> the endpoint of the loop. (which I think should be the case for anything > >> designed for looping!) We designed the echoplex this way, where it does a > >> quick crossfade between endpoint and startpoint, so you don't get a click. > >> In fact, I think the design was always that way, it seemed like a pretty > >> obvious requirement right from the start. I'm rather surprised that some of > >> these looping devices coming out now didn't do something similar. You > >> should be able to play anything into the loop, right up to the endpoint and > >> beyond, and never get a click. > >> > >> kim Kim wrote : > So, if there is still audio playing in at the point where you end the loop, > you probably get a click, right? If you don't do a crossfade or use > zero-crossing tricks, I don't see how you could prevent that. The > discontinuity between the end sample and the start sample will sometimes be > big enough to be an audible click. My opinion is that the problem is not phase discontinuity itself. Kim, I suppose you should have noticed something : What do you think about these two similar cases ? -1- a pure 10 khz sin wave -2- a pure 100 Hz sin wave Do you think the problem is quite similar even for golden ears ? if not, then you will probably find out the answer : the problem is not where we suppose it is. Don't get trapped by waveforms on screens and just think more in terms of energy! > I guess the typical dj would be looping > something with a percussive attack at the beginning of the loop, so maybe > it's not so noticeable for that case. > In most cases, I never get a click, or very seldom .(If so, I just sample again) It is because my tempo is o'clock accurate with the flow I am recording, and most of the time what I am recording comes out from sampled music ... at the exact same tempo. But it also works great with good old stuff rock music anyway. > But just wait, there will be some guy who finds it screws up his music, and > boy will he complain! :-) > The main point of the DJRND2 is to loop records, and if you can get the good tempo, most of the time it doesn't give any matter. But of course I won't bet so much on live basslines recording for instance, which is not what the DJRND2 has been mainly made for. Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 18:59:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA12987; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:59:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:59:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3755AC0E.C4D1986@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:11:26 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It just goes... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wgjBV2.0.y91.GpQLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Crossedout@aol.com wrote: > > There is a Japanese artist called Aube that uses single sound sources for his > compositions (e.g. a song composed out of noises made from a book [flipping > pages, crumpling paper, etc], songs composed of water dripping noises, sheets > of metal manipulated, etc) who made a release using sounds gathered from a > similar medical scanning machine, so all the sound sources he processed came > from within his body. > Jeff Collins turned me on to this label. Some info on Aube but its the only RA soundbite at the site that isn't there, down or something. http://www.alien8recordings.com/aube.html jd http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 21:08:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA02263; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:08:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:08:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:37:55 EDT Subject: Aube Re: It just goes... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"HFECg.0.TD7.FwSLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com please tell rodrigo In a message dated 6/2/99 4:56:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Crossedout@aol.com writes: > Not sure of the name of this record, if anyone is really interested let me > know and I'll try to dig up more info. > > - Crossedout@aol.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 21:11:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA02540; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:11:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:11:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:36:59 EDT Subject: Re: John Cage recordings To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"5STUe1.0.PB7.RvSLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com as funny, or unfortunate of what ever it may be 'classical' is the lump name given to non pop music other than jazz and new age which means it spans from gregorian chant to cage (and all other 'contemporary classical' composers) so how do you differentiate between classical and contemp classical some people(composers) use terms like 'legit' or 'serious' music to say they write contemp classical or neo(whatever)to diff other styles , i.e. "that piece is neoromantic")etc.... rodrigo In a message dated 6/2/99 4:30:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, artshop@artist-shop.com writes: > While I can see the humor in Dennis' situation, in thinking about it, I'm > not sure I would have found any other categories applied to Cage as being > less funny. After all, if you had to pick, how would you classify Cage? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 22:17:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA13765; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:17:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:17:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35747087.3D1E@pop.interport.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:37:17 -0500 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: It just goes...] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wfeHH.0.ne2.K5ULt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com K. Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > Stephan Ball's comment on the texture of conversation reminds me of an > observation I once read about and have subsequently observed myself: groups > of people tend to converse in waves of about 15 to 20 minutes. If you enter > the state that Stephan refers to (perhaps we could call it a focused > division of attention) you will often hear the volume and complexity of > crosstalk rise and fall in these long waves. I feel it's important for all > musicians to bring their attention to these kinds of cycles, particularly > when performing live. On some of my best solo gigs I've felt I could "ride > the waves" of the listeners and maintain attention to the performance by > holding an awareness of this phenomenon. I believe looping in general has a > real atraction for those who (either consciously or not) seek a resonance > with these slower cycles. > > >I know this is getting pretty far out in OT land, but I often notice (or > maybe > >just lapse into a particular state) that when in a "noisy" environment such > as a > >crowded restaurant, an effort can be made to treat all of the various > sounds > >(snippets of conversations, clinks of glass and silverware, etc., at > various > >frequencies) in a detached or homogeneous way. The result is a rather > smooth > >cacophony that rises and falls with bits of recognizable verbage coming > >occasionlly to the surface. It takes a little effort to treat all of the > sound > >sources in such an environment as totally equal with no intrinsic meaning > in > >terms of language, etc., but the result is a very interesting and somewhat > >exhilarating, "sound collage" experience. > > > >This is probably brought on by many years of intense listening to music of > >various sorts (including my own) and probably fostered my current interest > in > >some of the more ambient derivations of electronica by groups such as the > Orb > >and FSOL. The point in all this? Uh, well.... > > > >Steve > > by the definitions of hypnosis the depth of the trance state is related to one thing: effortless concentration. this very simialar state is also reffered to as no mind in some asian cultures. to achieve this state one must be RELAXED. no ego. no mind. no worries. when you catch it it is a beautiful thing. i agree i've experienced THE feeling playing and listening. thinking about that exeprince makes me think: public performance was not in the mix. usually it involved playing With musicians i've played with a long time or alone...but never in front of a crowd. most of the time i'm thinking about what can go wrong and being self critical of each note i pick. that is a different feeling altogether for me.....comments?......jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 23:10:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA21827; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:10:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:10:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005c01bead6a$d9965800$e21bbfa8@default> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: Aube Re: It just goes... Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:43:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"3ncfb1.0.oS4.8oULt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Aube's CD is called "Cardiac Strain" it is amazing. Utilizing sounds from the heart and body. He also has a recording out called "Metal De Metal" which i have and think is awesome. Just using sounds from sheet metal and devices to bow and scrape the pieces of metal, it even comes in a galvanized folder which is very cool. Hope this helps... If not visit... www.alien8recordings.com or http://www.esophagus.com/aube/interview.html or http://www.halcyon.com/tntmusic/aube.htm or http://www.esophagus.com/aube/ If you want more, go to a search engine. Jeff Collins A Strange View of Music: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 2 23:23:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA23970; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:23:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:23:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000d01bead6c$d887bc40$e21bbfa8@default> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: Scenic Views of Music Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:57:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"alayn2.0.Lv4.U_ULt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To all into the whole field recording stuff. there are a great number of recordings out there of people who do installations and record them. to name a few are. Michael Shumacher, Ann Hamilton, Achim Wollscheid, Rafael Toral, Marc Behrens (mbehrens), Bernhard Guenter, There's a great recording of the resonance's of a room by the duo of Minoru Sato and Toshiya Tsunoda called "FUL". Very amazing what they all do...the only thing is that these recordings have strict needs for listening, like quiet rooms, good stereos, and great speaker placement. Believe me it helps to listen pretty loudly to these also. Or maybe not, but in a bigger type of room they are great sonic listening experiences. You can find all their music through Forced Exposure. Till later. Jeff Collins From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 00:43:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA07305; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:43:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:43:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990603042553.19727.rocketmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:25:53 -0700 (PDT) From: petr dolak Subject: EDP FEEDBACK GHOST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"P8Doo.0.Bs.8EWLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com EDP FEEDBACK GHOST Sometimes my EDP ignores the feedback knob. When I move the knob to get shorter feedback, it still acts like on max. I have tried everything to fixt it: I move the knob back and forth, I tap the loop again, dub, multiply, mute, switch to another loop (there it is the same problem), or I even restart EDP, but it is still as if the knob would be on max. So I leave it for some time, and when I get back to it after several minutes, EDP follows the feedback knob like if nothing happened. This problem is quite frustrating especially when I am on stage, when it happens that after a composition where I use max feedback I turn the knob down for the next composition -- and EDP ignores it. But it can be even worse: sometimes I play a composition with feedback lower and it is fine, then suddenly in the middle of it EDP jumps into max feedback, and I have to stop playing. It is like if there was a malicious ghost in my EDP, acting in a totally unpredictable way. I cannot figure out any reason why this happens. This problem cannot be caused by receiving a Midi signal for feedback, because I am not using Midi for EDP. I will greatly appreciate any advice. petr === Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 01:58:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA20486; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:58:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:58:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37561773.972B0DC3@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 07:49:41 +0200 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: NOPE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: belew References: <199906021907.PAA30610@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2uhyz3.0.7X4.jRXLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just read an article in french magazine "home studio recording" were Belew say he threw away all his stuff (damn where is his garbage!) and went to VG-8/Johnson millenium on which he uses the delays to..... -you guessed- loop. He is on the verge to release a new CD called "Belewps" Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 04:08:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA07198; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 04:08:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 04:08:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37563585.95A842C3@in2win.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 09:57:57 +0200 From: mark Organization: in2win Interactive Learning Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It just goes... References: <006101beac96$68963960$2a964e0c@u73x0> <3754E056.9370CE20@earthlink.net> <37553072.B00F22B2@in2win.com> <37549A21.7C74B56E@hom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark.francombe@in2win.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Juo5F2.0.ZR1._LZLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Daniel, yes, of course, good point (MR PEDANT) but I was really thinking of the idea that the gaps BECOME the music and the music becomes the gaps... I think that I have only had this experience when listening to loops, because it takes time for your brain to turn the sounds "inside out" rather like the optical illusion of the two human profiles that become a candle stick when you concentrate on the ares between the faces... M Daniel Ferguson wrote: > > Music is typically written by concentrating on the gaps of silence. > > Daniel Ferguson > > mark wrote: > > > > > Has any one had the experience while listening to something over and > > over like a rythmic loop, you start to concentrate on the gaps of > > silence in between the sounds and the rythum that they produce...hmm > > does this make sense? > > > > -- \ -\ --\ ---\ ----\ -----\ ------\ -------\ --------\ ---------\ ----------\ -----------\ ------------\ mark-red-----\ --------------\ ---------------\ work------------\ -----------------\ in2win------------\ -------------------\ multimedia-designer-\ ovre-slottsgate-5----\ 0157-oslo-------------\ tlf.--22-40-29-94------\ fax--22-42-14-24--------\ e-mail--mark@in2win.com--\ web--http-//www.in2win.com\ ---------------------------\ ----------------------------\ personal---------------------\ tlf.-22-43-10-79--------------\ mob.-91-56-99-88---------------\ mark@8day.com-------------------\ christine@8day.com---------------\ ----------------------------------\ -----------------------------------\ redweb------------------------------\ http-//www.8day.com/redweb-----------\ --------------------------------------\ ---------------------------------------\ icq-4531031-----------------------------\ -----------------------------------------\ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 05:43:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA18474; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 05:43:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 05:43:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990603042553.19727.rocketmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 02:22:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP FEEDBACK GHOST Resent-Message-ID: <"6aoWS3.0.Kv3.VaaLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com my guess is: - you have something plugged into the feedback jack on the back, maybe incorrectly - you don't have anything in the feedback jack, but the feedback jack is dirty and so the echoplex thinks there is something plugged in it. - the feedback jack has somehow become damaged, so the echoplex sometimes thinks there is something plugged into it. You see, there is a circuit that detects if something is connected to the feedback jack. It's possible if the jack is dirty, that the detection contact will be opened and the echoplex thinks there is something plugged in. When the echoplex thinks there is something in its feedback jack, it uses that input for feedback and ignores the feedback knob on the front. If their is actually nothing in the jack, it will be read as max feedback. Then you will get the problem you describe. Especially if it is dirty, the contact will be intermittant, and the feedback thing will come and go like you are seeing. Probably if you get some of that electronics contact cleaner (what do they call that stuff these days anyway?), you can clean the jack with it. Or you might try plugging/unplugging a cable in the jack a bunch of times, see if that fixes it. If not, open it up and see if the jack looks bent or damaged somehow. it's the middle tab on the jack that handles this plug detection..... hope this helps, kim At 9:25 PM -0700 6/2/99, petr dolak wrote: >EDP FEEDBACK GHOST > Sometimes my EDP ignores the feedback knob. When I move the knob >to get >shorter feedback, it still acts like on max. I have tried everything to >fixt it: I move the knob back and forth, I tap the loop again, dub, >multiply, mute, switch to another loop (there it is the same problem), or >I even restart EDP, but it is still as if the knob would be on max. So I >leave it for some time, and when I get back to it after several minutes, >EDP follows the feedback knob like if nothing happened. > This problem is quite frustrating especially when I am on stage, >when it >happens that after a composition where I use max feedback I turn the knob >down for the next composition -- and EDP ignores it. But it can be even >worse: sometimes I play a composition with feedback lower and it is fine, >then suddenly in the middle of it EDP jumps into max feedback, and I have >to stop playing. > It is like if there was a malicious ghost in my EDP, acting in a >totally >unpredictable way. I cannot figure out any reason why this happens. This >problem cannot be caused by receiving a Midi signal for feedback, because >I am not using Midi for EDP. > >I will greatly appreciate any advice. > >petr >=== > > > > > > >Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale >neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 07:09:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA27892; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:09:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:09:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990603070611.0079d8d0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 07:06:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: belew In-Reply-To: <37561773.972B0DC3@vete.ucl.ac.be> References: <199906021907.PAA30610@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"33ZXS1.0.-X6.F0cLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You probably wouldn't find anything in his garbage; in the March issue of Guitar Shop (the one with the David Torn piece), Belew talks about using the VG-8/Johnson Millenium on "Belewps", but also makes several statements about his old effects such as: - "I still have all of these things - I almost have a museum going here, so I'm liable to pull those old things out and use the old sounds every now and then." - "It's difficult to get away from the stompboxes, actually, because there is some attraction to having knobs and things that can be changed in real time." - "I love *playing* the effects. That's when you find something that a unit is not supposed to do, and that's my favorite moment - when you can get a device to do something they don't tell you about in the manual! But it's become harder and harder over the years to find these moments as more manufacturers have become more controlled, more digital: You don't have as much room to cause things to happen. That's why some people really love the old stompboxes. They may have been of lower quality, but at least they had a lot of flexibility. You could get one box to do three or four different sounds. Now, you can get a multi-effect to do a hundred different sounds, but those sounds are not really all that different - they're sort of homogenous." Et cetera, et cetera... He DOES say some interesting things about using loops in the interview, and he's always been one to embrace new technology, but he's a self-admitted packrat. He's pictured literally surrounded by his massive guitar collection, and even mentions that he still uses one of Fripp's original Revoxes. Now, perhaps if we were to sift through Fripp's rubbish... :-) Tim At 07:49 AM 6/3/99 +0200, you wrote: >Just read an article in french magazine "home studio >recording" were Belew say he threw away all his stuff (damn >where is his garbage!) and went to VG-8/Johnson millenium on >which he uses the delays to..... -you guessed- loop. > >He is on the verge to release a new CD called "Belewps" > >Olivier Malhomme > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 07:57:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA01630; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:57:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:57:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 06:30:06 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Field Recordings/Loops, etc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Oju1E2.0.RV7.tTcLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One of my fave CDs that utilizes field recordings is Steve Tibbets "Safe Journey". There is some crazy looping on that one, too. I'd definetely check it out. Some of the textures are hallucinogenic. Amazing stuff. Loopworthy tracks are the quiet "Night Again" and the incandescent yet eerie "Going Somewhere." As far as finding music or loops in environmental sounds: my parents had a small electric fan that emanated a very odd, cyclic droning that was very pleasant. I also have noticed that birds can be master loopers. I get up at 4:30 in the a.m. to get ready for work and find that some of it would be loopworthy. Also, if I drive across a particular bridge, the resonance of the tires going across this odd abrasive material creates an interesting drone sound. Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 07:50:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA00756; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:50:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:50:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 06:31:33 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Headrush Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"0wJe12.0.QY7.8VcLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So how long are* this things delay times? 11 seconds? 23 seconds? 2 seconds? How long? and, how much does this thing cost? Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 09:20:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA13633; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:20:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:20:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Anthony Mullen To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Multiple Sound Cards and resolving MIDI clock Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:10:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"tCqPR3.0.4z2.5ydLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I'm wondering if you can help : I already have a PC audio recording system with one audio card (Event Gina) and I'm looking to add another card to my system to allow multiple programs to play audio at once. I was thinking of getting the SBLive card but have a couple of questions : 1. Does the Live work ok with a Gina installed? 2. Does the SPDIF connection come with the Live basic package or do you need to get the daughterboard option? 3. Can I connect the SPDIF out of my Gina to the SPDIF in of the Live in order to resolve the audio clock AND to keep the cards in sync. I want to have two apps - one master though the Gina and one slave through the Live. The setup will be running MIDI data aswell (but not through the Live card). I know that if you're running multiple cards with audio and MIDI split between two programs that you need to resolve the audio clock of the card aswell as locking the two audio cards together. I'd be grateful for a quickish reply if possible as I'm going to be buying a card shortly Cheers folks Anthony > ---------- > From: > Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com[SMTP:Loopers-Delight-d-request@an > nihilist.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: 03 June 1999 08:15 > To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com > Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #220 > > <>< recordings>><>< Re: It just goes...>><>< FEEDBACK GHOST>><> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 10:11:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA23508; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:11:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:11:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990603135427.73200.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [134.174.151.250] From: Sean Witters To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Room sounds Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 06:54:27 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"eXQ4S2.0.Bz4.waeLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's an interesting Cagian ambient sound experience of my own: Last spring I participated in an Installation/Performance Art Exhibit with visual artists Jeffrey Hatfield and Allison Schlegal; the central theme was observation of the creative environment. My primary sound source was a sampled music box manipulated with a Kurzweil K-2000 and sequenced with Vision. I decided to augment these sounds with ambient microphones in the installation space, an idea derived from Cage's assertion that there is no pure listening environment and that all ambient sounds becomes a part of any listening. These ambient sounds were the audio reflection of video images being captured and projected in various parts of the space. I placed four microphones in very visible positions throughout the rooms and ran them into my various processors and lo-fi pedals. In my rehersal the room sound filled in the cracks around the prepared tapes which I was playing asynchronously against each other. When the show opened and the room filled with people, everything changed. Rather than performing the prepared guitar and Rhodes piano parts against the tape as I had intended to, I was glued to the mixer peering into each room's audio environment looping laughter, or someone's observation, or their shuffling feet. One person said something when entering the space and I looped and manipulated it the whole time they were there. Soon, the audience caught onto the fact that they were being watched and listened to and they began to perform. This is were it got really interesting, one group of people picked up these heavy old oversized bank ledgers which were a part of the installation and started to read entries "january 2nd, 1946 Deposit: six hundred and fifty three dollars and three cents...". They did this spontaneously as the prepared tapes were playing back a piece using a pitch derived from a sample of a spinning coin. It was incredible! People started creating spontaneous poetry which I looped, transformed and wove into the prepared tape portions. At the climax of the show the artists, who were upstairs typing (yeah, I looped that too) in a small booth visible through portals and on a video screen, announced that the show was closing and began counting down the minutes and then seconds. I created micro-loops within the countdown mixed with random ambient noises like paper falling (there were papers being dumped from the ceiling). I didn't record a single second of the night. I truly wish I had because it was some of the most magical spontaneous interaction I've ever experienced. I temper my sense of loss with the assurance that those sounds were a result of environment, moment, and interaction and should be left in that time and space. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 10:45:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA29875; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:45:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:45:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Malhomme'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: belew Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:13:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"trvn_.0.yz5.bueLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh God! Belewps!!! Is this for real? It's soooo corny it has to be real... He'll be in Boston on the 10th. I wonder what the almost-a-guitar-hero-but-also-a-goofy--entertainter will present to us... Belewps? David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Malhomme [mailto:malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 1:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: belew Just read an article in french magazine "home studio recording" were Belew say he threw away all his stuff (damn where is his garbage!) and went to VG-8/Johnson millenium on which he uses the delays to..... -you guessed- loop. He is on the verge to release a new CD called "Belewps" Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 11:09:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA01484; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:09:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:09:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <004701beadcf$bcf4d4f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Room sounds Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:45:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"U-0T22.0.Pe7.VRfLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for this message! Hearing about such cool events is really encouraging! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 12:43:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA18484; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:43:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:43:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <016401beaddd$d6519100$4f2a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "John + Diane Parada" , Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: It just goes...] Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:03:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"VGi5O.0.kY3.5lgLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > by the definitions of hypnosis the depth of the trance state is related >to one thing: effortless concentration. this very simialar state is also >reffered to as no mind in some asian cultures. to achieve this state one >must be RELAXED. no ego. no mind. no worries. when you catch it it is >a beautiful thing. i agree i've experienced THE feeling playing and >listening. thinking about that exeprince makes me think: public >performance was not in the mix. usually it involved playing With >musicians i've played with a long time or alone...but never in front of >a crowd. most of the time i'm thinking about what can go wrong and being >self critical of each note i pick. that is a different feeling >altogether for me.....comments?......jp > John, I wouldn't have a clue as to what the state of relaxed attention feels like if I drew exclusively from my performing experience. Like practicing a riff, it's something I TRY to bring forth in performance, having experiened it elsewhere. But as in daily life, if in performance the primary thoughts are "what can go wrong and being self-critical..", then things will go wrong and you will blame yourself for them. I am way off the loop here, perhaps we should continue this discussion elsewhere. Which reminds me, are there any other newsgroups/sites which discuss both practical and spiritual/metaphysical aspects of music performance? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 12:47:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA19545; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:47:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:47:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3756BD90.E37F8AA5@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 12:38:27 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Belew garage sale References: <199906021907.PAA30610@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3.0.5.32.19990603070611.0079d8d0@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ozkeg2.0.TF4.nygLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow, think of it... almost as good as when Frampton bought the inflatable pig at Pink Floyd's garage sale... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 13:10:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA24400; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:10:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:10:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002801beade2$a3687a60$0d1cbfa8@default> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: about the $4.95 Cd's Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:00:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Kec9a3.0.9g5.2MhLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think that anyone who orders from this place at myshopnow will not only end up getting a CD that is NOT like the original but will take some well deserved $$ out of the artist hands. Now do you really want to cheat an artist who's work you admire? Jeffrey Collins A Strange View of Music http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 13:22:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA26849; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:22:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:22:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3756B868.86192670@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 12:16:24 -0500 From: Mike Artemenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight list Subject: Digitech Quad4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b5xJv.0.5B6.OWhLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anyone tried looping with this processor? It has only a 5 sec. sample time. I'm also interested in the reverse delay and time warp effects (are they really backwards?) Actually, I want to know if anyone out there has used this processor and can give some opinions. Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 13:24:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA27324; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:24:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:24:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990603171221.006f6664@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 19:12:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: Multiple Sound Cards and resolving MIDI clock Resent-Message-ID: <"26Bm8.0.gB6.TWhLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi if you need the spdif out only (no matter for ultra clean analog outs) get an old AWE 64 gold. The Live is a pain in the arse, major driver problems and difficult installation. take an old 64 gold. I've mounted my gina and gold, now GOld and MOTU2408, and it works flawlessly. Very good for software synths. You run the appz on the GOld and record the digital out with the GIna (not so good with virtual synths). it's a brilliant combination.... > >I was thinking of getting the SBLive card but have a couple of questions : > >1. Does the Live work ok with a Gina installed? yes, you can have 2 soundcards installed in one system. >2. Does the SPDIF connection come with the Live basic package or do you need >to get the daughterboard option? daughterboard option >3. Can I connect the SPDIF out of my Gina to the SPDIF in of the Live in >order to resolve the audio clock AND to keep the cards in sync. I want to >have two apps - one master though the Gina and one slave through the Live. you need a virtual midi cable to sync two or more appz >The setup will be running MIDI data aswell (but not through the Live card). > >I know that if you're running multiple cards with audio and MIDI split >between two programs that you need to resolve the audio clock of the card >aswell as locking the two audio cards together. > ?????? ciao leo >I'd be grateful for a quickish reply if possible as I'm going to be buying a >card shortly > >Cheers folks >Anthony > > > > >> ---------- >> From: >> Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com[SMTP:Loopers-Delight-d-request@an >> nihilist.com] >> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Sent: 03 June 1999 08:15 >> To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >> Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #220 >> >> <><> recordings>><><> Re: It just goes...>><><> FEEDBACK GHOST>><> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 14:17:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA05678; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:17:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:17:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007b01beadee$8db31ca0$dd98adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: "Collins" , Subject: Re: about the $4.95 Cd's Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:26:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ShHAd.0.301.YIiLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jeff: I checked this site and ran a couple of my usual "stump the record club" choices thru and these guys had 'em including a locally produced-extrremely small production disc-- thought to myself, "there's no way K-Tel could have tooled up a run of this--sooooooo I ordered a couple of things to check it out In th event that these are produced by K-Tel, by copyright law, don't the artists have to be paid royalties on these discs anyway . . .? (I thought the Internet was the only place where that was'nt the case) anyway, keep you posted as I am an advocate of artists getting their royalties as much as anyone else on this list Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Collins To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 12:17 PM Subject: about the $4.95 Cd's >I think that anyone who orders from this place at myshopnow will not only >end up getting a CD that is NOT like the original but will take some well >deserved $$ out of the artist hands. Now do you really want to cheat an >artist who's work you admire? > >Jeffrey Collins > >A Strange View of Music > >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 14:21:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA06689; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:21:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:21:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D732@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Headrush Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:13:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"WoUkh3.0.UG1.-NiLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > So how long are* this things delay times? > 11 seconds? > ** = loop with overdubbing > 23 seconds? > ** = single loop, no overdub (also digital delay setting i believe) > 2 seconds? > ** = echo setting - - tho' it may really be longer . . . these are all from memory > and, how much does this thing cost? > ** about $200 stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 16:52:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA02922; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:52:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:52:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33226B29.2544@interaccess.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 17:40:03 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: more on Kyma..... Resent-Message-ID: <"-eWj43.0.Yb7.TOkLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a posting of Jim Coker in '97. I just stumbeled over it and liked it and since we had talk about this going, I repost it. >> Jim answered me: >> >In reference to Matthias' questions, most parameters on sound >> >objects (such as delay times, frequency settings, filter bandwidth >> >and frequency) are controllable in real time, and without glitches. >> >Put an lfo on a short delay, and you get a flanger. (Delay lengths can >> >be specified in a number of ways, such as in seconds, or samples, >> >or relative to something else) Control signals can come from midi, >> >or all sorts of other things, frequency trackers, envelope followers, >> >other audio signals, or signals built by processing other signals. >> >When I was there, a Peavey PC1600 fader box (16 programmable >> >midi faders and assorted buttons) was set up to >> >control sound parameters. This is what I used during the looping >> >test (no foot controller available). >> >> I see... but this I can do on my PCM80, as long as its just controlling >> parameters of a delay. >> I was thinking about the loop specific functions like Tap, Multiply, Undo, >> or rather sampler type functions like restarting the actual loop or >> changing to another loop and so on. Probably those functions will have to >> be created and I wondered how difficult this might be. > >Well, there's no tap tempo control that comes with the unit (I asked), >but >I don't think it would be difficult to build one. As far as the >echoplex-type >functions go, it depends on your goal. If you want to duplicate the >interface >of an echoplex, you can probably do it, but I can't say how difficult it >would >be, and I don't think it would be the best way to approach loop >programming >with Kyma. Since you can have a large number of loops and samplers >running >at once, and there are numerous controls available on them, some of the >metaphors >that apply with the echoplex don't make much sense. For example, >multiply >on the echoplex affects the original loop, whereas on Kyma, I would be >more >likely to achive a similar result by adding a new, concurrent loop whose >time is a multiple of the first. This would leave the original loop >available >for individual processing. Of course, everyone has their own preference >about >how such features should be configured, but a big part of Kyma is that >the >user has many options on how to organize things. > >> >> >Another nice patch involved a "harmonic resonator", a special >> >kind of filter that resonates at a given pitch and all it's >> >harmonics. >> >> also available on PCM70/80 >> >> >Probably the most unique capabilities of the system revolve around >> >it's analysis and resynthesis capabilities. Their latest software >> >version comes w/ a configureable vocoder w/ up to 70 filter bands. >> >In addition to real time vocoding, you can analyize a sample >> >(drums, vocals and animal sounds work best, due to their widely >> >varying formants) to build a time-varying filter bank, and then use >> >this filter bank to process a live signal. >> ... >> >> >For really hard-core stuff, you can use an FFT analysis to convert >> >the signal from the time domain into the freqency domain, and do >> >processing there (such as stretching or scaling harmonics, pitch >> >and time shifting, etc), and then resynthesize the result using >> >an oscillator bank. This is the approach used by Digital Performer >> >1.7 and others to do pitch shifting w/o ugly artifacts. Kyma >> >can do this in real time, minus a 1/4sec delay due to FFT >> >windowing issues >> >> Interesting. This could certainly be used to colour and modulate loops. And >> in this case, the 250ms delay (thats a lot!) could be hidden somehow. > >The delay is intrinsic to all FFT algorithms. The processing occurs by >taking short samples (called windows) of the input, and doing the FFT >on each window. Longer windows give more accurate frequency results, >shorter ones give a better indication of when events occur in the >signal. >The windowing is what causes the delay. I do think it is adjustable, so >shorter delays can be traded for some accuracy. >(caveat: That's a very short and imprecise description of a complex >signal processing task) > > >> >The only dissapointment I had was with the frequency tracker. >> >It works amazingly well w/ vocals, but didn't do so great on >> >a guitar. The response time was at least as good as a Roland >> >GI-10 midi converter and it did track vibrato and >> ... >> > One big change that would make >> >it better would be to use hexaphonic input a-la GK2, which would >> >restrict the pitch guessing range, and avoid multi-string noises. >> >> Did you play monophonic for this test, or is it even able to detect chords >> of a monophonic guitar?!? > >The tracker can't handle chords, that is truly a difficult task. It is >discussed in the Curtis Roads book I mentioned earlier (as is the FFT >stuff). > >> >> >Currently Kyma only has 2 inputs and 2 outputs, but they are working >> >on increasing this. They get many requests to increase the >> >number of outputs, but Kurt said that this was the first time they >> >had a solid reason for having multiple inputs, ... >> >> Ahh... we will end up making our own VGx, more serious, with all in it! >> >> >Kyma can run simutaneously w/ a >> >sequencer or MAX on a modest MAC or PC. Symbolic Sound is also >> >working on a PC-card interface so you can use Kyma w/ a laptop. >> >> Does it also work without any computer, on stage? > >Nope, the computer is the controller, where all patches are stored and >other important things happen. It also, obviously, lowers the price of >the >Capybara, which has no front panel controls. There is a midi-map >function >so you can use program changes to load new sounds. > >The "stuck-to-a-computer" issue is one the Sym. Sound is aware of. They >had said that at AES some engineers from Eventide had asked if they'd >had people complain about requiring the computer. They are working on a >PC card for laptops, so that makes it a bit less of a problem. The way >I see it is that they leverage so many capabilities from the computer >that >the restriction is well-justified. > >> Did you check the reverb sounds? If the KYMA replaces two Plexes and my two >> Lexicons, its not that expensive any more! > >I don't know of any serious reverb programs that come with the unit, but >it has Delays, Comb Filters and such that can be used to build reverbs. >There are some general reverb algorithms covered in signal processing >publications, but if you're looking to replace the reverb in a PCM80, >its not gonna happen easily. > >This brings up the issue of what Kyma is all about. The fx boxes from >Lexicon, >Eventide and others come with great programs that are ready-to-use >and are targeted for music production, but even though they have >relatively >flexible programming options, their limitations are rigid: They have a >fixed >processing & memory capacity (for both delays and programs), a limited >number of processing algorithms (i.e. chorus, flange, pitch shift, >reverb), and limited >number of ways to combine those algorithms. Kyma is an open-ended box, >it is >what the user makes of it. Symbolic Sound provides a number of useful >processing algorithms, software to combine them in new and interesting >ways, many intriguing >and instructive example programs, and ongoing software and hardware >updates that avoid obsolecence. > >It blurs the distinction between synthesizer, effects processor, hard >disk >recorder, sampler and sequencer. It is a little bit of all these >things, but >by combining them all it becomes something different entirely. The >first >demonstration Carla showed me was a piece that she had created for Kyma. >The complex >program turned the Capybara into an instrument, in that it created >synthesized >sounds, an effects processor, in that it processed her voice in real >time, a >sampler, as it played & modified sounds from disk, a sequencer, in that >sounds >were layered and ordered by program events, and a real-time studio or >composition tool, in that the operation of all these processes were >interrelated, >and she was able to control the whole process through vocal inflections >and >midi sliders. > >Kyma is a solution for those who have >become frustrated with the limitations of the equipment >they are working with, and want to create an instrument of their own. It >will not >likely replace a Lexicon reverb unit in anyone's rack, but reveberant >sounds >built using it can be new and unique. It may not harmonize as >effortlessly as >an Eventide, but it has numerous tools for modifying pitch. It is a >toolset >for creating music, and thus the user has both the exciting and >somewhat daunting task of making something out of it. > > > >jim * Lots of music (samples), inventions (drawings), philosophy: * ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org * Archive and mailinglist about looping: * ---> http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 20:01:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA06591; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:01:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:01:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990603233533.50116.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: alaslo@mms.ca, zfactor@interlog.com, cchc@interlog.com, dallaway@sfu.ca, b_leger@hotmail.com, funtime_aliens@hotmail.com, scrow@interlog.com, danielle@maximumdj.com, dgraves@easynet.ca, ikelman@hotmail.com, jbrett@mphconsulting.com, laurabartko@yahoo.com, sidsix@hotmail.com, tobysg@hotmail.com, tharder@rolandca.com, khourigan@rolandca.com, justin.morrison@utoronto.ca, justinsm@citytv.com, missk@interlog.com, kflint@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, mlemyre@interlog.com, maximum@idirect.com, mglnsky@magicnet.net, monsta@interlog.com, nicole.kiras@butlergroup.co.uk, rforsley@iname.com, sol@nbnet.nb.ca, sty@stones.com, SuzB@compuserve.com, Toby.Goldbach@jus.gov.on.ca, north@pccinternet.com Cc: snowmelter@hotmail.com Subject: SOUNDSCAPES & SCRABBLE Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 16:35:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"E4bHk3.0.XU.k5nLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Be sure to mark Wednesday June 23rd on your calendar for another night of Soundscapes at THE GRAPEFRUIT MOON. You are invited to come out, play a round of the award winning game "SCRABBLE", talk, eat, drink or just be mellow as Lorne Thomson creates subtle soundscapes live. It's music that you don't have to listen to! Lorne's will begin to attempt to alter the space/time continuum at 8pm. Several soundscapes will be created through out the night, or as long as the batteries will allow. THE GRAPEFRUIT MOON is located at 968 Bathurst St, just north of Bloor street, south of Dupont on the west side. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 20:43:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA13023; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:43:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:43:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37572145.9EC7D59E@best.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 17:44:27 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje Reply-To: ahoeltje@best.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, heatshrink@hotmail.com Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPES & SCRABBLE References: <19990603233533.50116.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HLLll.0.E_2.J0oLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On the west side of where? What state/country are we talking about here? ld thomson wrote: > Be sure to mark Wednesday June 23rd on your calendar for another night of > Soundscapes at THE GRAPEFRUIT MOON. You are invited to come out, play a > round of the award winning game "SCRABBLE", talk, eat, drink or just be > mellow as Lorne Thomson creates subtle soundscapes live. It's music that you > don't have to listen to! > > Lorne's will begin to attempt to alter the space/time continuum at 8pm. > Several soundscapes will be created through out the night, or as long as the > batteries will allow. > > THE GRAPEFRUIT MOON is located at 968 Bathurst St, just north of Bloor > street, south of Dupont on the west side. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 21:07:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA17297; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:07:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:07:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37572559.3215B21E@magelang.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 19:01:13 -0600 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: more on Kyma..... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AObxR.0.Er3.RJoLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthias Grob wrote: > > This is a posting of Jim Coker in '97. I just > stumbeled over it and liked it and since we had talk about this going, I > repost it. > > >> Jim answered me: [ big snip ] Hi Matthias. Give me a couple days to get things under control, and I'll post a reply to my original post to see what I still agree with. I'll also give some details about looping w/ Kyma and Kim can put that up at the looper site. I'm busy preparing an application for: [clipped from an emf.org mailing] *Summer Media Institute / Techne and Eros: Human Sensory Space and the Machine, in Santa Fe, New Mexico (USA), July 5 - August 14, will include six separate, one-week workshops conducted by six major figures in the media arts and sciences: Joan La Barbara, Steina Vasulka, Morton Subotnick, David Dunn, Woody Vasulka, and physicist Jim Crutchfield. The essential issue for each workshop is the interaction between humans, machines, and the physical spaces they occupy. Techne and Eros is directed toward participants already involved in electronic media as art, preferably practicing artists who are interested in further exploring the relationship between art and science, music and performance. Deadline coming up. And note that there are some scholarships available. http://mediainstitute.csf.edu http://www.santafe.edu/~woodyv Applications must be postmarked by tomorrow (june 5), so if any looper's are interested they have to rush. The main draw for me is Subotnick. At the media institute site, there are links to Morton's home page. Jim (formerly of interaccess.com, now of magelang.com, soon to be of jguru.com (magelang is changing it's name)) Coker From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 3 21:57:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA25816; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:57:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:57:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:40:29 EDT Subject: OT: DOD Dimension 12 with LFO!! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"VuE1j.0.gg5.YyoLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Am currently 'test-driving" DOD's Dimension 12: A small rack-mount looper with built-in LFO modulation (controls: an LFO speed knob, a modulation depth knob, an effects feedback knob, aaaand a wet/dry mix knob!!!) The sample can be recorded with effects then more effects added over the top. Or recorded dry. Then reversed, and a "stutter" function initiated too. Loop times are 2 banks, each with two 6 second loops (that can be played back simultaneously), or 2 banks each with one 12-second loop (that cannot be played back at the same time).. No overdubbing capabilities. But interesting all the same. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 00:30:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA21522; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:30:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:30:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'mark'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: It just goes... Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 23:58:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"I15k03.0.RJ3.ozqLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I would say I experience something like you're describing often when I listen a disc or record and I'm totally immersed in the experience of listening -- and then there comes this silence between tracks... A very cool "I'm still in this, but just hanging up here as time flows by" kind of feeling. No drugs necessary. David Kirkdorffer UNDO -----Original Message----- From: mark [mailto:mark.francombe@in2win.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 3:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It just goes... Daniel, yes, of course, good point (MR PEDANT) but I was really thinking of the idea that the gaps BECOME the music and the music becomes the gaps... I think that I have only had this experience when listening to loops, because it takes time for your brain to turn the sounds "inside out" rather like the optical illusion of the two human profiles that become a candle stick when you concentrate on the ares between the faces... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 00:34:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA22258; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:34:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:34:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375752D5.EB992D74@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 14:15:18 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPES & SCRABBLE References: <19990603233533.50116.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Au4vL.0.hP4.DGrLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ld thomson wrote: > It's music that you don't have to listen to! wo. this is the best quote i've seen since D.Torn's "ambient shmambient not so somnambulant" or the classic heckler comeback to "play something we can dance to!" ie.. "how about you dance something i can play to!" seriously though, giving the punters a "silent" board game like scrabble doesn't seem like such a bad idea... especially if you're going for an extended loopage session...hope all goes well Lorne! brad. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 01:13:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA28081; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:13:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:13:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <19d3130e.2488b714@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:59:00 EDT Subject: on the topic of cage and looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"JxtTT2.0.gL6.WrrLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com cage was a great appreciator of the early impressionistic iconoclast composer erik satie(grandaddy of the loop?) there was one of his piano pieces(i dont remember the name, if anybody knows do tell,id love to know)that was comprised of a very sparse, drawn out melody nothing too outrageous there, BUT the instructions said to play the piece some 800 times or so cage was the first performer to tackle the piece in its entirety and endevour that lasted 24hrs or so one can only begin to imagine what playing something over and over and over like that must do, or become gives me the willies thinking about it rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 02:03:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA02689; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 02:03:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 02:03:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BEAE5F.D2A5A5F0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: on the topic of cage and looping Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:56:23 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"85wIm1.0.NE.jbsLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > erik satie(grandaddy of the loop?) > there was one of his piano pieces(i dont remember the name, if anybody knows > do tell,id love to know)that was comprised of a very sparse, drawn out melody > nothing too outrageous there, BUT the instructions said to play the piece > some 800 times or so Vexations ... read the 'History' page on our looper's website. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 02:17:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA04532; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 02:17:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 02:17:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375707DC.EF395DAD@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 22:55:35 +0000 From: Bill Moyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Room sounds References: <19990603135427.73200.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HAy2x3.0.wM.ZfsLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thank you. The beauty of your story is truly inspiring Bill Moyer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 04:23:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA19409; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 04:23:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 04:23:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37578B72.EAF4B20A@in2win.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 10:16:50 +0200 From: mark Organization: in2win Interactive Learning Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Belew garage sale References: <199906021907.PAA30610@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3.0.5.32.19990603070611.0079d8d0@pop.ici.net> <3756BD90.E37F8AA5@mailbox.syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark.francombe@in2win.com Resent-Message-ID: <"bfBZc3.0.WV4.rjuLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Wow, think of it... almost as good as when Frampton bought the > inflatable pig at Pink Floyd's garage sale... And this in turn reminds me of when my band (cranes)returned from the US to england and somehow my rack got mixed up by the shipping company with a rack from the rolling stones, they got my humble poweramp mixer, effects etc and I got an inflatable fifty foot honky tonk woman.. sorry if thats irrelevant, MArk -- \ -\ --\ ---\ ----\ -----\ ------\ -------\ --------\ ---------\ ----------\ -----------\ ------------\ mark-red-----\ --------------\ ---------------\ work------------\ -----------------\ in2win------------\ -------------------\ multimedia-designer-\ ovre-slottsgate-5----\ 0157-oslo-------------\ tlf.--22-40-29-94------\ fax--22-42-14-24--------\ e-mail--mark@in2win.com--\ web--http-//www.in2win.com\ ---------------------------\ ----------------------------\ personal---------------------\ tlf.-22-43-10-79--------------\ mob.-91-56-99-88---------------\ mark@8day.com-------------------\ christine@8day.com---------------\ ----------------------------------\ -----------------------------------\ redweb------------------------------\ http-//www.8day.com/redweb-----------\ --------------------------------------\ ---------------------------------------\ icq-4531031-----------------------------\ -----------------------------------------\ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 05:35:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA26569; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:35:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:35:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37578B72.EAF4B20A@in2win.com> References: <199906021907.PAA30610@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3.0.5.32.19990603070611.0079d8d0@pop.ici.net> <3756BD90.E37F8AA5@mailbox.syr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 02:17:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Belew garage sale Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"WGefk2.0.n66.6cvLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 1:16 AM -0700 6/4/99, mark wrote: >Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> >> Wow, think of it... almost as good as when Frampton bought the >> inflatable pig at Pink Floyd's garage sale... > > >And this in turn reminds me of when my band (cranes)returned from the US >to england and somehow my rack got mixed up by the shipping company with >a rack from the rolling stones, they got my humble poweramp mixer, >effects etc and I got an inflatable fifty foot honky tonk woman.. Damn! None of my inflatable women are that big. Things like that never happen to me. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 09:36:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA23435; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:36:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:36:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <005b01beae8c$fb0bedb0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Cc: Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPES & SCRABBLE Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:20:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"5JlVT3.0.3W5.yHzLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >THE GRAPEFRUIT MOON is located at 968 Bathurst St, just north of Bloor >street, south of Dupont on the west side. A friendly reminder that our list members are all over the world, let alone in a particular city, state, or province. Please include more complete information when posting gig announcements. BTW: Sounds like a good gig! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: ld thomson Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:03 PM Subject: SOUNDSCAPES & SCRABBLE >Be sure to mark Wednesday June 23rd on your calendar for another night of >Soundscapes at THE GRAPEFRUIT MOON. You are invited to come out, play a >round of the award winning game "SCRABBLE", talk, eat, drink or just be >mellow as Lorne Thomson creates subtle soundscapes live. It's music that you >don't have to listen to! > >Lorne's will begin to attempt to alter the space/time continuum at 8pm. >Several soundscapes will be created through out the night, or as long as the >batteries will allow. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 09:54:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA25974; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:54:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:54:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jon Southwood" To: Subject: Re: on the topic of cage and looping Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:44:21 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199906041245.2071900@CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET> Resent-Message-ID: <"QaCcg1.0.i26.rXzLt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > Vexations ... read the 'History' page on our looper's website. > > -Michael > Just a little FYI: About five years ago, the Center for New Music at the University of Iowa performed the piece with multiple pianists, sort of a tag-team event. Cheers, Jon Southwood noj@cedar-rapids.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 12:17:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA11911; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:17:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:17:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199906041437.KAA14366@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"aEvNQ.0.xi7.gJ-Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #117 June 3, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I began a month-long focus on Neu Harmony recording group, AirSculpture. Adrian Beasley, John Christian, and Peter Ruczynski improvise 100% of their music! The feature CD at midnight was Impossible Geometries. AirSculpture : http://www.softbase.co.uk/as Neu Harmony : http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Synthetic Block Careful With That The Opposite of Staring Fax Machine Into Space (none) Redshift Mania Down Time (Champagne Lake) Ron Boots Dejection's Cure Tainted Bare Skin (Groove) Cassiel 1919/21 (Green Axis) Listen/Move (Atomic City) Laocoon Hollow Tranquility Immersion (Parnassus Nump) Ian Boddy Nobody's Home Box of Secrets (DiN) Robert Rich Part 3 Inner Landscapes (Hypnos) Stratosphere exerpt from 6th Alfa-Centauri performance 10-apr-99 12:00 am AirSculpture Floe Impossible Geometries (Neu Harmony) AirSculpture Imp. Geom. Impossible Geometries (Neu Harmony) AirSculpture Stranger Tractors Impossible Geometries (Neu Harmony) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on the British group AirSculpture. The Feature CD at Midnight will be Attrition System on Neu Harmony. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 12:33:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA14083; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:33:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:33:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <014401beaea5$9e2def80$262a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Sean Witters" , Subject: Re: Room sounds Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:12:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"hX0Rl2.0.cj2.Ih_Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Sean Witters To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 9:54 AM Subject: Room sounds >Here's an interesting Cagian ambient sound experience of my own: >Last spring I participated in an Installation/Performance Art Exhibit with >visual artists Jeffrey Hatfield and Allison Schlegal; the central theme was >observation of the creative environment. My primary sound source was a >sampled music box manipulated with a Kurzweil K-2000 and sequenced with >Vision. I decided to augment these sounds with ambient microphones in the >installation space, an idea derived from Cage's assertion that there is no >pure listening environment and that all ambient sounds becomes a part of any >listening. These ambient sounds were the audio reflection of video images >being captured and projected in various parts of the space. I placed four >microphones in very visible positions throughout the rooms and ran them into >my various processors and lo-fi pedals. In my rehersal the room sound >filled in the cracks around the prepared tapes which I was playing >asynchronously against each other. >When the show opened and the room filled with people, everything changed. >Rather than performing the prepared guitar and Rhodes piano parts against >the tape as I had intended to, I was glued to the mixer peering into each >room's audio environment looping laughter, or someone's observation, or >their shuffling feet. One person said something when entering the space and >I looped and manipulated it the whole time they were there. Soon, the >audience caught onto the fact that they were being watched and listened to >and they began to perform. This is were it got really interesting, one >group of people picked up these heavy old oversized bank ledgers which were >a part of the installation and started to read entries "january 2nd, 1946 >Deposit: six hundred and fifty three dollars and three cents...". They did >this spontaneously as the prepared tapes were playing back a piece using a >pitch derived from a sample of a spinning coin. It was incredible! People >started creating spontaneous poetry which I looped, transformed and wove >into the prepared tape portions. At the climax of the show the artists, who >were upstairs typing (yeah, I looped that too) in a small booth visible >through portals and on a video screen, announced that the show was closing >and began counting down the minutes and then seconds. I created micro-loops >within the countdown mixed with random ambient noises like paper falling >(there were papers being dumped from the ceiling). I didn't record a single >second of the night. I truly wish I had because it was some of the most >magical spontaneous interaction I've ever experienced. I temper my sense of >loss with the assurance that those sounds were a result of environment, >moment, and interaction and should be left in that time and space. This thread on room sounds reminds me of a process piece, perhaps by Lou Harrison. The title, as I best recall, was/is "I Am Sitting In A Room..." and it consists of a short text which is read out loud. The text is the set of instructions for performance. Here's a paraphrase: "I am sitting in a room with a microphone about six feet away. This microphone's signal is being recorded onto tape. This recording will be played back from approximately where I am sitting, and recorded again. This process will be repeated for as long as is practical, and the entire process will be recorded." The resulting recording would then consist of this short spoken piece repeated over and over, slowly degenerating into room resonance and circuit resonance until it sounded like a bit of musique concrete. There may have even been an instruction to play the entire thing backwards somehow, allowing the text to emerge from the cloud of resonances. Can anyone identify this piece better? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 13:06:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA19212; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:06:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:06:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990604154040.81395.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPES & SCRABBLE Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:40:40 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"h_mEk.0.nf1.VE_Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There is a history to this Scrabble thing. I should fill the loopers in on it. My last live performance at the GRAPEFRUIT MOON (a cool little fried green tomatos style cafe in Toronto's "annex" area) was on a quiet sunday night. Thanks to email I had an excellent turn out. About three minutes into the first soundscape some grumpy fellow in the back, who was playing Scrabble with 3 other fellows began yelling "change the CD!" When he was informed that this strange music was being generated by someone live he actually went up to the owner and demanded that she make me stop. She didn't of course. The weirdest thing about it was this jerk was my next door neighbour, who up until that point had always been somewhat friendly. Now when I see him, he just scowls at me. >From: "b.knox" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPES & SCRABBLE >Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 14:15:18 +1000 > > > >ld thomson wrote: > > > It's music that you don't have to listen to! > >wo. this is the best quote i've seen since D.Torn's "ambient shmambient not >so >somnambulant" or the classic heckler comeback to "play something we can >dance >to!" ie.. "how about you dance something i can play to!" > >seriously though, giving the punters a "silent" board game like scrabble >doesn't >seem like such a bad idea... especially if you're going for an extended >loopage >session...hope all goes well Lorne! > >brad. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 13:01:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA18346; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:01:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:01:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990604153231.6666.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT: DOD Dimension 12 with LFO!! Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:32:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"RjumY2.0.Zw1.pL_Lt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The way to overdub on the DOD "Demented 12" is to set it on "delay", spin the lucky wheel to 12 seconds (or the time of your choice) turn the feedback setting to 90% and away you go. The old school Frippertronics way of looping. I use it in tandem with a random Digitech 2 second clucker I bought before the free trade agreement was signed. Plus a GP-8 I got for free. >From: Hawkeye255@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: OT: DOD Dimension 12 with LFO!! >Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:40:29 EDT > >Am currently 'test-driving" DOD's Dimension 12: > >A small rack-mount looper with built-in LFO modulation (controls: an LFO >speed knob, a modulation depth knob, an effects feedback knob, aaaand a >wet/dry mix knob!!!) The sample can be recorded with effects then more >effects added over the top. Or recorded dry. Then reversed, and a >"stutter" >function initiated too. Loop times are 2 banks, each with two 6 second >loops >(that can be played back simultaneously), or 2 banks each with one >12-second >loop (that cannot be played back at the same time).. No overdubbing >capabilities. But interesting all the same. > >Bill > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 14:28:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA31871; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:28:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:28:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:32:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Room sounds Resent-Message-ID: <"qBfGi2.0.mW5.6q0Mt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > This thread on room sounds reminds me of a process piece, perhaps by Lou >Harrison. The title, as I best recall, was/is "I Am Sitting In A Room..." >and it consists of a short text which is read out loud. The text is the set >of instructions for performance. Here's a paraphrase: > "I am sitting in a room with a microphone about six feet away. This >microphone's signal is being recorded onto tape. This recording will be >played back from approximately where I am sitting, and recorded again. This >process will be repeated for as long as is practical, and the entire process >will be recorded." > The resulting recording would then consist of this short spoken piece >repeated over and over, slowly degenerating into room resonance and circuit >resonance until it sounded like a bit of musique concrete. There may have >even been an instruction to play the entire thing backwards somehow, >allowing the text to emerge from the cloud of resonances. Can anyone >identify this piece better? The composer is Alvin Lucier, and the piece is called "I am sitting in a room". The piece takes up both sides of an lp, and I used to listen to the 2nd side a lot, after the spoken words have degenerated into a blur, it was actually a very musical piece. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 14:28:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA31870; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:28:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:28:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <17d83a1.24895d77@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:48:55 EDT Subject: Vortex loop mangler (patch) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Resent-Message-ID: <"vfW5b.0.Q14.wE0Mt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Some of you may enjoy................ preset>> 9 Deja Vu B 2 Atmosphere B mix 64 64 output 64 64 ModFX 32 42 EchoFX 64 64 Morph 59 59 Env 64 1 Echo1 1 1 Echo2 1 3 Feedback1 64 64 Feedback2 1 1 Rate1 11 3 Depth1 32 5 res1 21 1 Rate2 15 2 Depth2 1 14 res2 1 1 Start off on the A part of the patch and build up a loop ( this is a standard loop patch), possibly assign pedal to envelope to control how much of what you play goes into the loop. Let it run till you've had enough... then switch briefly to B and back again. Appreciate your now modified loop. repeat as necessary. ....then you can stay in the B patch for a while (assign pedal to MOD FX LVL, which gives a swell control) build up a wall of sound and then back to A. If you used this as a pedal morph you could keep on A with the pedal while using the A/B button to access the B patch , which could then be secretly modified for later use. There's a lot of possibilities in this one, I think of it as a 'compositional' patch rather than just an effect. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database (aging section on undocumented features) http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 15:03:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA04331; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:03:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:03:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001f01beaeb2$cee3cd40$1722dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <014401beaea5$9e2def80$262a10ac@Douglas> Subject: Travel Query... Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:51:00 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"IYD_f1.0.hL6.A81Mt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folks! Presently I'm about to go to the UK for several weeks, for to meet my Intended's mother and Make It Semi-Official, at least until I get the obligatory finger-hardware (with which to Officially Pop The Question, a formality at this point). As I may be bouncing back and forth to the UK for some time, it dawns upon me that I might avoid a travelling disaster by purchasing an acoustic guitar to have Over There. Electrics travel so much better of course. But in general are the prices in the UK much worse for used equipment like this, or about the same? Thanks. Stephen Goodman * It's the Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 15:23:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA07348; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:23:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:23:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <012f01beaeb8$56ddbb20$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Room sounds Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:30:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Yzfg93.0.KC.Yq1Mt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes! That's Alvin Lucier and the CD is called "I Am Sitting in a Room" Check out: http://www.cdemusic.org/cgi-bin/cde_search.pl?keywords=aluciercds Recommended! After being inspired by this recording, I've done something similar with an EDP and a SPX-90 reverb. I used the EDP as a long delay line (feedback=0). The set-up looked something like: in out mic -----+-------> EDP >----------| | | | out in | +-------< SPX-90 <-------+ | | | out in | ----------< mixer <-------+------->speakers so a portion of the EDP's output is returned dry to the EDP input and a portion is returned after passing through the reverb. The intention is to simulate Lucier's set-up. Of course, I really used aux/effect send/returns and input channels to realize the set-up but the above diagram shows the signal flow. Mess with the EQ in the mixer path to simulate treblely or bassy rooms, etc. It's a little tricky to get the right gain structure so that the signal level remains approximately the same with each repetition. I had to "ride" the send/returns a bit. Some kind of compressor/limiter would be helpful here. My favorite input material was the local newspaper's High School sports section. The language is suitably inane. I would read one or two paragraphs. As with Lucier's set-up, the sound goes through an amazing transformation, smoothly turning into an abstract sequence of tones. You get a sense of the beauty hidden in even really trite writtings. Never did perform this in public. This set-up required too much prep. Well, there's always the future... Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: K. Douglas Baldwin To: Sean Witters ; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Room sounds > This thread on room sounds reminds me of a process piece, perhaps by Lou >Harrison. The title, as I best recall, was/is "I Am Sitting In A Room..." >and it consists of a short text which is read out loud. The text is the set >of instructions for performance. Here's a paraphrase: > "I am sitting in a room with a microphone about six feet away. This >microphone's signal is being recorded onto tape. This recording will be >played back from approximately where I am sitting, and recorded again. This >process will be repeated for as long as is practical, and the entire process >will be recorded." > The resulting recording would then consist of this short spoken piece >repeated over and over, slowly degenerating into room resonance and circuit >resonance until it sounded like a bit of musique concrete. There may have >even been an instruction to play the entire thing backwards somehow, >allowing the text to emerge from the cloud of resonances. Can anyone >identify this piece better? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 15:37:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA09255; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:37:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:37:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <013b01beaeb9$e6a4b7d0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPES & SCRABBLE Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:41:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"CoudE1.0.ja.s-1Mt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What a great story! >About three minutes into the first soundscape some grumpy fellow in the >back, who was playing Scrabble with 3 other fellows began yelling "change >the CD!" This guy is just BEGGING to be sampled and looped ;) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 17:13:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA22575; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 17:13:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 17:13:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jimb@ehmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <990604155215FY.28880@weba8.iname.net> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Field Recordings/Loops, etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"HwzRO3.0.Ns2.uv2Mt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---------- From: Todd Madson[SMTP:crash@waste.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 2:30 AM >I also have noticed that birds can be master loopers. I get up at >4:30 in the a.m. to get ready for work and find that some of it would >be loopworthy. Check out "Granchester Meadows" by Roger Waters, from Pink Floyd's 1968 album "Ummagumma." The backing is a tape loop of a bird singing (species unknown). Jim Bailey ---------------------------------------------------------- Get your FREE personalized e-mail at http://www.canada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 18:17:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA31424; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:17:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:17:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 17:18:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: John Cage recordings In-Reply-To: <021001bead04$92258740$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"yyY203.0.Qg5.pA4Mt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Dennis W. Leas wrote: > "retail sales"). "Pop/Rock? Folk?, New Age, Classical?" I found John Cage > in "Classical." I laughed out loud. > Umm, I'm not sure where else you would find him. While his music was very progressive for it's time, it and he were completely grounded in "traditional" classical music. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ ii asdqweqweqweqwe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 19:25:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA07438; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:25:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:25:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375849A2.69BC3266@uswest.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 15:48:19 -0600 From: "James Lanpheer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-USWC0720 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Field Recordings/Loops, etc. References: <990604155215FY.28880@weba8.iname.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Wwn2N1.0.qf6.xc4Mt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gathered in a cave and grooving with a pict? And no, Floyd never did drugs.......Suuuuuuuuuuuure. ;p meliketheFloyd. regards. jimb@ehmail.com wrote: > ---------- > From: Todd Madson[SMTP:crash@waste.org] > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 2:30 AM > > >I also have noticed that birds can be master loopers. I get up at > >4:30 in the a.m. to get ready for work and find that some of it would > >be loopworthy. > > Check out "Granchester Meadows" by Roger Waters, from Pink Floyd's 1968 album "Ummagumma." The backing is a tape loop of a bird singing (species unknown). > > Jim Bailey > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Get your FREE personalized e-mail at http://www.canada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 21:25:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA19052; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:25:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:25:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37587463.9A4CEDBF@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:50:47 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Inflatable? References: <199906021907.PAA30610@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3.0.5.32.19990603070611.0079d8d0@pop.ici.net> <3756BD90.E37F8AA5@mailbox.syr.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C813D4668B203D0048A55019" Resent-Message-ID: <"5uq93.0.4W2.-N6Mt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------C813D4668B203D0048A55019 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >> Wow, think of it... almost as good as when Frampton bought the > >> inflatable pig at Pink Floyd's garage sale... > > > > > >And this in turn reminds me of when my band (cranes)returned from the US > >to england and somehow my rack got mixed up by the shipping company with > >a rack from the rolling stones, they got my humble poweramp mixer, > >effects etc and I got an inflatable fifty foot honky tonk woman.. > > Damn! None of my inflatable women are that big. Things like that never > happen to me. > > kim > Help, I'm way too tempted to come up with a really bad response to this one... Please, someone help me!!!!!!!! Mark --------------C813D4668B203D0048A55019 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
>> Wow, think of it... almost as good as when Frampton bought the
>> inflatable pig at Pink Floyd's garage sale...
>
>
>And this in turn reminds me of when my band (cranes)returned from the US
>to england and somehow my rack got mixed up by the shipping company with
>a rack from the rolling stones, they got my humble poweramp mixer,
>effects etc and I got an inflatable fifty foot honky tonk woman..

Damn! None of my inflatable women are that big. Things like that never
happen to me.

kim

Help, I'm way too tempted to come up with a really bad response to this one...

Please, someone help me!!!!!!!!

Mark --------------C813D4668B203D0048A55019-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 22:19:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA23795; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:19:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:19:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990604204811.007ab100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 20:48:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Field Recordings/Loops, etc. In-Reply-To: <990604155215FY.28880@weba8.iname.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"I8Wcb.0.kh3.r87Mt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Along these lines (but in the "Classical" bins, on Catalyst along with Cage!) you might enjoy Einojuhani Rautavaara's "Cantus Arcticus" (1972), a "Concerto for Birds and Orchestra" where multiple layers of taped wild birds are played along with live instrumentation as an integral part of the piece. Not looping, though... Loop Guru, on the other hand, use loops of birds all the time! Jamuud rules! Tim At 03:52 PM 6/4/99 -0400, you wrote: > >---------- >From: Todd Madson[SMTP:crash@waste.org] >Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 2:30 AM > >>I also have noticed that birds can be master loopers. I get up at >>4:30 in the a.m. to get ready for work and find that some of it would >>be loopworthy. > >Check out "Granchester Meadows" by Roger Waters, from Pink Floyd's 1968 album "Ummagumma." The backing is a tape loop of a bird singing (species unknown). > >Jim Bailey > > >---------------------------------------------------------- >Get your FREE personalized e-mail at http://www.canada.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 4 23:31:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA31033; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:31:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:31:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:04:28 EDT Subject: Re: Room sounds (AND MORE) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"u4PP13.0.nv6.yF9Mt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the composer is alvin lucier > This thread on room sounds reminds me of a process piece, perhaps by Lou > Harrison. The title, as I best recall, was/is "I Am Sitting In A Room..." > and it consists of a short text which is read out loud. The text is the set > of instructions for performance. Here's a paraphrase: >The resulting recording would then consist of this short spoken piece >repeated over and over, slowly degenerating into room resonance and circuit >resonance until it sounded like a bit of musique concrete. There may have >even been an instruction to play the entire thing backwards somehow, >allowing the text to emerge from the cloud of resonances. Can anyone >identify this piece better? i have the score here somewhere i just cant find it now i also have an interview with him in another book talking mostly about that piece i dont think theres anything about playing it backwards in there but he did mention some interesting 'performances' of the pieces like a 24hour one in a big church and i think me mentioned a one year long one that was going on he also mentions in the score to try using different rooms or resonant spaces 'some that you would like to bring the characteristics out of' with all this 'new music' talk id like to know how many people are on the looping list from a newmusic/compositional/reich/cage/stakhousen point of view rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 5 02:26:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA21188; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 02:26:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 02:26:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199703020251.SAA02270@mailtod-2.alma.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 02:47:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Kyma Resent-Message-ID: <"arLox3.0.as3.8VBMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Carlos R. Carrillo said >One of them is the Ares-Iris system which is being manufactured by > Bontempi/Farfisa in Europe. I just looked for it on the net - in vain. Is this an inside info? * Lots of music (samples), inventions (drawings), philosophy: * ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org * Archive and mailinglist about looping: * ---> http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 5 05:08:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA32687; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 05:08:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 05:08:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3758CEF4.D6694524@sfsu.edu> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 00:17:08 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Room sounds References: <014401beaea5$9e2def80$262a10ac@Douglas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LuBy02.0.GI6.D_CMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lou Harrison is the guy who built an instrument called the "american gamelan". They guy who did "I am sitting in a room..." was Alvin Lucier. He started by reading a paragraph that he wrote. It's pretty much like what you wrote down here. I think the 2 tape recorders were at opposite ends of the room. I don't remember how long he did it or how many repititions there were, but I'm guessing that it was about 20-40 minutes long. One of the really cool things about this piece was that he was a bad stutterer, and about halfway through the piece you couldn't tell the difference. By the end of the piece, there was no perceptable speaking part, but the many layers of recorded room ambience made a synthesizer-like sound. matt davignon "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote: > > This thread on room sounds reminds me of a process piece, perhaps by Lou > Harrison. The title, as I best recall, was/is "I Am Sitting In A Room..." > and it consists of a short text which is read out loud. The text is the set > of instructions for performance. Here's a paraphrase: > "I am sitting in a room with a microphone about six feet away. This > microphone's signal is being recorded onto tape. This recording will be > played back from approximately where I am sitting, and recorded again. This > process will be repeated for as long as is practical, and the entire process > will be recorded." > The resulting recording would then consist of this short spoken piece > repeated over and over, slowly degenerating into room resonance and circuit > resonance until it sounded like a bit of musique concrete. There may have > even been an instruction to play the entire thing backwards somehow, > allowing the text to emerge from the cloud of resonances. Can anyone > identify this piece better? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 5 12:27:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA30961; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:27:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01beaf61$87f7b900$c7964e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: For the birds . . . (was Field Recordings/Loops, etc.) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 10:41:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"v2Tqg3.0.c25.RPJMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The 20th century French composer Olivier Messaien was also fascinated with birdsong, to the point of collecting, notating, cataloguing and transcribing numerous examples from his own fieldwork, then incorporating these "found" melodies into his own compositions. Another fascinating example of interplay between live musicians and birds can be found on a great recording, on the Swiss VDE-Gallo label, VDE CD-699 "Afghanistan - the Rubab of Herat - Mohammed Rahim Khushnawaz." These were field recordning made by an ethnomusicologist, John Baily, who was studying Afghani traditional music. The performer heard here is a virtuoso of the short-necked Afghani lute, the rubab (also spelled rabab). On several pieces you can clearly hear birds singing. This would not be unusual for "field recordings" -- except that the performer specifically brought some caged canaries along to the recording session! The liner notes explain: "The sounds of music combined with the sounds of birdsong constituted the acme of musical aesthetic enjoyment in Herat [town where the music was recorded]. The Heratis believed that the birds were stimulated to sing by the sound of music, and caged birds were sometimes brought to performances so that their voices could be added to the sound. The better the music, the more the birds were believed to respond, and their song provided a sort of litmus test of how well the music was going." But I'd recommend this recording for its incredible musical content even more than for the birdsong. I've also heard other Afghani recordings where the musicians themselves perform amazing imitations of bird calls during their performance, I suppose for the same effect. >Along these lines (but in the "Classical" bins, on Catalyst along with >Cage!) you might enjoy Einojuhani Rautavaara's "Cantus Arcticus" (1972), a >"Concerto for Birds and Orchestra" where multiple layers of taped wild >birds are played along with live instrumentation as an integral part of the >piece. Not looping, though... > >Loop Guru, on the other hand, use loops of birds all the time! Jamuud rules! > >Tim > >At 03:52 PM 6/4/99 -0400, you wrote: >> >>---------- >>From: Todd Madson[SMTP:crash@waste.org] >>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 2:30 AM >> >>>I also have noticed that birds can be master loopers. I get up at >>>4:30 in the a.m. to get ready for work and find that some of it would >>>be loopworthy. >> >>Check out "Granchester Meadows" by Roger Waters, from Pink Floyd's 1968 >album "Ummagumma." The backing is a tape loop of a bird singing (species >unknown). >> >>Jim Bailey >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------- >>Get your FREE personalized e-mail at http://www.canada.com >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 5 13:32:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA04589; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:32:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:32:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37595245.EBA193AF@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 18:37:25 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en-US,fr-BE,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Belew garage sale References: <199906021907.PAA30610@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3.0.5.32.19990603070611.0079d8d0@pop.ici.net> <3756BD90.E37F8AA5@mailbox.syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9XZm53.0.w7.wKLMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > Damn! None of my inflatable women are that big. Things like that never > happen to me. Its not the size,never.err Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 5 14:21:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA08715; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 14:21:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 14:21:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <012f01beaeb8$56ddbb20$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:01:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: test2 Resent-Message-ID: <"f8bMy2.0.bN.xSLMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com test2 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 5 14:47:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA11594; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 14:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 14:47:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3758B7BC.2EAD1A12@hom.net> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 01:38:04 -0400 From: Daniel Ferguson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It just goes... References: <006101beac96$68963960$2a964e0c@u73x0> <3754E056.9370CE20@earthlink.net> <37553072.B00F22B2@in2win.com> <37549A21.7C74B56E@hom.net> <37563585.95A842C3@in2win.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SafdE1.0.8F1.12MMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anyone tried writing the "silence" in a song first? It works very well and allows others to place sound in between the silence. You can do it on a 2 track or a nice digital/GUI. When starting they will use a noise source and a silence generator to distinguish between the void of nothingness. The noise can be used as a temporary fix to establish; what is silence and what is not. Another method employed is the use of actual time code to establish where the silence is. A simplified version could be done with trigger waves or pulses to determine the on and off the silent material. Remember most things are about perceiving what is clearly not there. We just need more masters of perception. Try and make a funky loop "without" those musical gaps of silence. Best regards, Daniel mark wrote: > Daniel, yes, of course, good point (MR PEDANT) but I was really thinking > of the idea that the gaps BECOME the music and the music becomes the > gaps... I think that I have only had this experience when listening to > loops, because it takes time for your brain to turn the sounds "inside > out" rather like the optical illusion of the two human profiles that > become a candle stick when you concentrate on the ares between the > faces... > > M > > Daniel Ferguson wrote: > > > > Music is typically written by concentrating on the gaps of silence. > > > > Daniel Ferguson > > > > mark wrote: > > > > > > > > Has any one had the experience while listening to something over and > > > over like a rythmic loop, you start to concentrate on the gaps of > > > silence in between the sounds and the rythum that they produce...hmm > > > does this make sense? > > > > > > > > -- > \ > -\ > --\ > ---\ > ----\ > -----\ > ------\ > -------\ > --------\ > ---------\ > ----------\ > -----------\ > ------------\ > mark-red-----\ > --------------\ > ---------------\ > work------------\ > -----------------\ > in2win------------\ > -------------------\ > multimedia-designer-\ > ovre-slottsgate-5----\ > 0157-oslo-------------\ > tlf.--22-40-29-94------\ > fax--22-42-14-24--------\ > e-mail--mark@in2win.com--\ > web--http-//www.in2win.com\ > ---------------------------\ > ----------------------------\ > personal---------------------\ > tlf.-22-43-10-79--------------\ > mob.-91-56-99-88---------------\ > mark@8day.com-------------------\ > christine@8day.com---------------\ > ----------------------------------\ > -----------------------------------\ > redweb------------------------------\ > http-//www.8day.com/redweb-----------\ > --------------------------------------\ > ---------------------------------------\ > icq-4531031-----------------------------\ > -----------------------------------------\ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 5 17:42:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA27425; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 17:42:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 17:42:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:40:05 EDT Subject: Re: Digitech Quad4 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"YK_gI1.0.7A4.3rNMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Mike, I don't have a QUAD 4, but I do have a TSR 24S (hey, I didn't know that Digitech was into D&D!) The looping that is in the TSR-24S is the same 5 seconds, and it is really nice, though what happens without the foot controller is that you end up having to use a start note, and continue playing that start note in order to get the Looper to continue playing your 5 second sample. You also have to resort to hopping out of the sample patch and then go back into it in order to create a new sample and there is a time lag as the processor gives you a few (3) seconds before it starts to record. Personally, I don't find that this is a hassle, at least for what I am playing and what I am sampling from myself on the fly. As to the reverse sounds, I don't think that it has the real capacity to sample and then play back each note in reverse, but I could easily be wrong, still don't have the manual, but I'll give Digitech a holler to see if they still carry it, eh? Hope this helps. Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 6 06:01:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA26330; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 06:01:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 06:01:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375A2E5D.EC68DF98@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 03:16:29 -0500 From: Jenni Leeds Reply-To: jennil@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: there4there4there3there4there()nothIng/in//...just aminute amount of loops sword fish city! Dali delved into the same skull we are all one and am not seperate perhaps except in mind. My favorite My Bloody Valentine song is the one where I come back to life after suicide as a diety who can score at willlllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooopppppppppp! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KY4hB2.0.bd4.spYMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear the dearest of the dear, the nicest of the nice, those who sacrifice a way of life......., for another!! the greatest loop electronic sounds emanate from Seefeel. They use loops as a mushroom defence into serenity. I, at the age of 15, looped by hand with an old duel tape deck stereo and a quick on pause rewind on pause rewind on pause rewind.....My favorite, I re-did Ministry's "jesus Built my Hot rod" at the beginning with Jesus is Satan......how does one channel energy to create as Stockhausen, pure tones..........depression takes me deep down into despair and life seems hopeless and worthless, sincerely, "no friends" Jamie..... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 6 11:02:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA13508; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:02:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:02:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375A2D88.94B93903@texas.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 08:14:04 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jennil@bellsouth.net CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: there4there4there3there4there()nothIng/in//...just aminute amount of loops sword fish city! Dali delved into the same skull we are all one and am not seperate perhaps except in mind. My favorite My Bloody Valentine song is the one where I come back to life after suicide as a diety who can score at willlllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooopppppppppp! References: <375A2E5D.EC68DF98@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"utQ3J.0.m51.PEdMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well, uh, welcome to the list, no-friends. hope you're feeling better tomorrow... bobdog > Dear the dearest of the dear, the nicest of the nice, those who > sacrifice a way of life....... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 6 10:54:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA12485; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:54:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:54:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375A2D25.9427182D@texas.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 08:12:25 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jennil@bellsouth.net CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: there4there4there3there4there()nothIng/in//...just aminute amount of loops sword fish city! Dali delved into the same skull we are all one and am not seperate perhaps except in mind. My favorite My Bloody Valentine song is the one where I come back to life after suicide as a diety who can score at willlllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooopppppppppp! References: <375A2E5D.EC68DF98@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GdN5c3.0.a31.1CdMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well, uh, welcome to the list, no-friends. hope your feeling better tomorrow... bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 6 17:07:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA13831; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:07:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:07:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375AB55C.B517886B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 12:52:28 -0500 From: Mike Artemenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech Quad4 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6U1l42.0.O37.gChMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for your insight. I've got a Quad4 ordered and should receive it this week. I'll let you know how cool it really is. Mike Phaedebk@aol.com wrote: > Dear Mike, > > I don't have a QUAD 4, but I do have a TSR 24S (hey, I didn't know > that Digitech was into D&D!) The looping that is in the TSR-24S is the same > 5 seconds, and it is really nice, though what happens without the foot > controller is that you end up having to use a start note, and continue > playing that start note in order to get the Looper to continue playing your 5 > second sample. You also have to resort to hopping out of the sample patch > and then go back into it in order to create a new sample and there is a time > lag as the processor gives you a few (3) seconds before it starts to record. > > Personally, I don't find that this is a hassle, at least for what I > am playing and what I am sampling from myself on the fly. > > As to the reverse sounds, I don't think that it has the real capacity > to sample and then play back each note in reverse, but I could easily be > wrong, still don't have the manual, but I'll give Digitech a holler to see if > they still carry it, eh? > > Hope this helps. > > Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 6 18:19:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA20178; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:19:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:19:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375AD25D.6A801D46@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 21:56:13 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en-US,fr-BE,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: "SoundFNR@aol.com" Subject: Re: Vortex loop mangler (patch) References: <17d83a1.24895d77@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"otmwT2.0.cA2.MLjMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > Some of you may enjoy................ > > preset>> 9 Deja Vu B 2 Atmosphere B > mix 64 64 > output 64 64 > ModFX 32 42 > EchoFX 64 64 > Morph 59 59 > Env 64 1 > Echo1 1 1 > Echo2 1 3 > Feedback1 64 64 > Feedback2 1 1 > Rate1 11 3 > Depth1 32 5 > res1 21 1 > Rate2 15 2 > Depth2 1 14 > res2 1 1 > Aouch I played a 3 sec stereo loop thru those patches on the regiser B (second column) try the following combis > Echo1 32 48 8 32 > Echo2 64 64 64 16 with tapping very short taps rythmic values taps measure multiples taps change Echo values Aouch ClAOude ch From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 6 23:35:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA21530; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:35:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:35:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990607022230.29845.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:22:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Room sounds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"lRrDJ.0.Yw2.1roMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---"Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > After being inspired by this recording, I've done something similar with an > EDP and a SPX-90 reverb. I used the EDP as a long delay line (feedback=0). > The set-up looked something like: > > in out > mic -----+-------> EDP >----------| > | | > | out in | > +-------< SPX-90 <-------+ > | | > | out in | > ----------< mixer <-------+------->speakers > > so a portion of the EDP's output is returned dry to the EDP input and a > portion is returned after passing through the reverb. I'd really like to try this, but I'm afraid I don't understand your diagram. Could you explain it again? 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 07:28:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA01853; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 07:28:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 07:28:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:12:13 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: test2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KXjfx.0.tB7.-ivMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, David Myers wrote: > test2 > > As someone who enjoys minimalism I really appreciated this post. Jim Carter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 10:49:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA21582; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:49:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:49:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990607135712.14684.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [134.174.151.250] From: Sean Witters To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SE-50 Faux Tape Delay Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 06:57:12 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"U5fWC2.0.cn3.X_yMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Brad, Since you don't have midi control you could get some of the pitch/tape drag effect by setting the pitch on the fine pitch control to a small minus setting, I suggest between -2 and -6 depending on desired intensity. I like -4 this creates enough of a pitch shift to be noticible but it is still subtle enough to keep it from sounding like a pitch cascade effect. The use of the fixed fine pitch control is a fine alternative to my midi perscription. -Sean _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 11:27:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA26565; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:27:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:27:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990607135348.39584.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [134.174.151.250] From: Sean Witters To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ibanez DML-10 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 06:53:48 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Es0x01.0.rK4.fHzMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I had the luck of stumbling on to a steal this weekend. I spotted an Ibenez DML 10 Modulation Delay II for $40. This little blue pedal, in a 10 series Ibanez casing with 6 knobs, is an interesting machine. It has 900 ms of Delay available which unfortuately doesn't really do infinite repeat and decays at a disappointing rate. This is, however, excusable because the rest of its features are insane. Using the modulation width control with a delay line allows you to create pitch cascades that sweep as designated by the mod. rate knob. This creates some hands free havoc, but if you start tweaking the knobs while all this is going on it gets supernatural. The pitch range is great but its strength is on the low side were it gets really deep and resonant (watch those speaker cones). The mode knob allows you to select between five milli-second ratios from very short to long. The shortest create some nice chorus, flange and faux leslie sounds in addition to some wacked out sitar and "the mothership is landing" sounds. For $40 I think this is the best pedal deal I've ever found (except for my $35 Ross Phase R2). When I'm constructing loops now I can't keep this thing out of them, it creates such complex textures it is irresistable. This isn't a hi-fi affair but the sounds are so enchanting you'll forget all else. I don't know if I was simply lucky or if this is a standard price but give this pedal some time if you spot one. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 12:17:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA01356; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:17:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:17:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <026201beb0f2$aed4d2f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: John Cage recordings Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:33:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"9-cSX.0.F55._ezMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com After thinking about this a great deal (do I have too much time or what?) I conclude it all depends on what you mean by classical music. I consider many of Cage's ideas to be the antithesis of classical music, such as using chance operations, incorporation of noise, minimizing the "intention" of the composer, etc. He spoke of his music as if it were an alternative to the classical approach. To my ear, much of his music is the opposite of, say, Bach's Fugues. On the other hand, he studied composition and music theory and notated his compositions. It makes me wonder where looper music will be classified in fifty years. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 5:18 PM Subject: Re: John Cage recordings >Umm, I'm not sure where else you would find him. While his music was >very progressive for it's time, it and he were completely grounded in >"traditional" classical music. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 13:26:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA12690; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:26:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:26:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <028001beb0fd$ea9dd7e0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Room sounds Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:53:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"g2NxI.0.Hf7.Mp-Mt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry, my diagram must of gotten garbled in the transmission...Let me try it in words. Equipment -------------- * one EDP (set on DELAY mode, not LOOP mode, with feedback at zero) *one SPX-90 (set on large hall reverb) *one microphone *one mixer (TASCAM 1024 in my case) with main outs wired to amp/speakers Wiring -------- Microphone into channel 1. Input of EDP from AUX 1 send (a prefader send, like a monitor send not an effect send). Output of EDP to channel 2. Input of SPX-90 from AUX 2 send (again, a prefader send) Output of SPX-90 to channel 3. Control Settings --------------------- channel 1 (mic) main fader up a little (so you can hear mic in speakers) sending to AUX 1 (EDP input); set appropriate level for EDP channel 2 (EDP output) main fader up so you can hear EDP in speakers sending to AUX 1 (EDP input), this is the feedback of the dry signal to the EDP; carefully watch the level on this send sending to AUX 2 (SPX-90 input), this simulates playing the sound into a reverberation space channel 3 (SPX-90 output) main fader up so you can hear the SPX-90 in speakers sending to AUX1 (EDP input), this is the feedback of the wet signal to the EDP; watch the level carefully also AUX 1 Master send (master EDP input level) I had to ride this level to get "unity gain" in the feedback loop. AUX 2 Master send (master SPX-90 input level) Not too critical. Operation ------------- Press RECORD. Read text into microphone. Press RECORD to set delay time. Signal passes from EDP through board AND through SPX-90 and back to EDP. Carefully futz with the AUX 1 and AUX 2 sends on channel 2 to get an appealing wet/dry ratio. Carefully ride the AUX 1 master send to attain unity gain in the feedback loop. I do this by ear and by watching the input LED on the EDP. This set-up basically places the SPX-90 in the feedback loop. It always takes me awhile to get the levels right before it starts working correctly. You might want to turn the channel 2 AUX 2 send to OFF to begin with and make sure the signal is looping OK through the dry path. If your level is set correctly it should slowly fade with each repetition. Turning channel 2 AUX 1 send up should make the signal fade less with each rep. Turning AUX 1 send down will make the signal fade more per repetition. Once you have the dry signal looping correctly, turn up channel 2's AUX 2 send. Remember that the strength of the wet signal is controlled by channel 2's AUX 2 send AND by the setting of channel 3's AUX 1 send. The relative levels of Channel 2's AUX 1 and AUX 2 determines the wet/dry composition of the loop. The wetter the signal, the quicker it "decays" into abstract tones. Play with the EQ setting on channel 2 or 3. Play with different EFX in the feedback loop like chorus, etc. I've found reverb to be the most sublime, however. This is how I wired it but there are many other ways as well, I'm sure. Hope this helps. Let me know how it works for you. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 14:12:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA21064; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:12:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:12:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BEB11A.FCF3E160.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: test2 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:08:44 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"r-AFj.0.7h2.zv_Mt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, David Myers wrote: > > > test2 > > > > > As someone who enjoys minimalism I really appreciated this post. > > Jim Carter ROFL -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 16:15:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA11560; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:15:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:15:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375C116E.E5AADBB9@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 11:37:39 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: John Cage recordings References: <026201beb0f2$aed4d2f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LDW0s2.0.yA6.w41Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dennis wrote: > It makes me wonder where looper music will be classified in fifty years. i can't think of anything more awful than the "loop music" section at a 2050's era equivalent of "borders" (okay maybe one or two things more awful)... i remember a discussion on the list about whether it's fair to talk about "loop" music as its own special category, somehow separate from the flow of music culture in general...like, delay music, or sampled or cello or harmonica music, as though the instrument or technique employed to create the music determines its typology (i stop this line of reasoning at accordion music, because it is indeed in a category unto itself :-) lance g. (on a philosophical morning?) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 16:06:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA09881; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:06:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:06:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: John Paris Reply-To: "Paris, John" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: VCO out on Digitech 7.6 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:52:23 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.5 Build (43) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qTioC3.0.Us6.1I1Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com After a year of searching, I got myself a Digitech 7.6 Time Machine. However, I don't have a manual. What does the VCO out do? What sort of pedal would I use for it? ---------------------- John Paris john.paris@cpa.state.tx.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 15:46:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA06319; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:46:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:46:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3dd07939.248d658c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:12:28 EDT Subject: new echo machine To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"yQqoC.0.3O5.Dp0Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thought you all might be interested........http://www.magitec.co.uk/echo3.htm........this was on harmony central........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 17:31:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA26562; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:31:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:31:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375C2F63.A07AD761@magelang.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 14:45:23 -0600 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: John Cage recordings References: <026201beb0f2$aed4d2f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O8ynb3.0.R54.Ux2Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Cage is a special case, though I think he belongs with other modern "avant-garde" composers of the 50's. His work drew the same audience and pushed the boundaries of art music in the same way as the work of Xenakis, Stockhausen, Boulez, Ligeti, etc. He's special because he pushed past all reasonable rules of what could define a musical experience (i.e. the infamous 4'33). He's also a composer who is known more for his ideas than his music. Robert Morgan's _Twentieth Century Music_ does an excellent job of covering the evolution of classical music from post-romanticisim through atonality, serialism, and all the things that happened after WWII. Cage was a student of Schoenberg for a while, so there is a traceable heritage all the way back to Bach, even if most of his music does not reveal it. But then again, Webern doesn't sound like Bach either. Jim Dennis W. Leas wrote: > > After thinking about this a great deal (do I have too much time or what?) I > conclude it all depends on what you mean by classical music. I consider > many of Cage's ideas to be the antithesis of classical music, such as using > chance operations, incorporation of noise, minimizing the "intention" of the > composer, etc. He spoke of his music as if it were an alternative to the > classical approach. To my ear, much of his music is the opposite of, say, > Bach's Fugues. On the other hand, he studied composition and music theory > and notated his compositions. > > It makes me wonder where looper music will be classified in fifty years. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 17:44:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA29301; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:44:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:44:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990607202520.28841.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:25:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Room sounds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"8d5Xn1.0.l44.Fx2Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---"Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > Input of EDP from AUX 1 send (a prefader send, like a monitor send not an > effect send). > Output of EDP to channel 2. > > Input of SPX-90 from AUX 2 send (again, a prefader send) > Output of SPX-90 to channel 3. Hmmm. I've got a Mackie 1202. I think only one of the sends is prefader. I'll give it a shot and see what I come up with. Thanks! 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 17:40:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA28431; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:40:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:40:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990607204830.24594.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.7.195] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: John Cage recordings and what's in a name... Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 13:48:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"b7XQF.0.yQ4.613Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm opposed to classifying music at all. Except perhaps for country music. I use the term "soundscape", although I'd rather say ambient. Unfortunately the E'd up ravers of the 90's have changed the meaning of ambient music. Although I have had ravers call what I do "chill-out" music. I must say like that better than "looper music" or "loop music". Than sounds too much like some new hot MTV term for a type of music that comes with its own required dress code. As for Mr Cage...classical? Maybe modern classical? Or experimental. Avant Garde? Does it matter? >From: lance glover >Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: John Cage recordings >Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 11:37:39 -0700 > >Dennis wrote: > > > It makes me wonder where looper music will be classified in fifty years. > >i can't think of anything more awful than the "loop music" section at a >2050's >era equivalent of "borders" (okay maybe one or two things more awful)... > >i remember a discussion on the list about whether it's fair to talk about >"loop" music as its own special category, somehow separate from the flow of >music culture in general...like, delay music, or sampled or cello or >harmonica >music, as though the instrument or technique employed to create the music >determines its typology (i stop this line of reasoning at accordion music, >because it is indeed in a category unto itself :-) > > >lance g. > >(on a philosophical morning?) > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 17:33:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA26797; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:33:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:33:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990607205857.99328.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 13:58:57 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Zg9de1.0.jx4.uA3Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I dont want to come across as some kind of flake... but... I may anyway. Have any of you loopers who are doing soundscaping noticed that your perception of time is altered during the soundscaping? I don't meditate in the Buddist or Yogi style, however I have heard of this effect from people who chant. I've noticed it several times during live performances. Am I sitting to close to my old GR300...or is this common? I can't ask my "normal" musician friends as they already think I'm crazy for soundscaping... "yeah man...I can warp time with my DOD Dimension 12, far out.." That would go over well. But seriously, am I losing it or what? PS I am drug free. Although I usually drink Camomile tea when I'm soundscaping. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 18:38:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA07778; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:38:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:38:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375C3E91.64AC6A30@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:50:09 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: John Cage recordings References: <026201beb0f2$aed4d2f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nZ-jb3.0.QY7.4z3Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > It makes me wonder where looper music will be classified in fifty years. > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > How is loop music classified now? When I think of loop music I found that it is the process that its named by and not the music itself. Why? Well the music is so varied that the process is the only thing that we all have in common in an absolute sense. Read the opening page of the LD site, it seems to me now and (forever?) the only possible definition of loop music. Good question as I am always trying to explain to people what it is that I am doing. Jeff ( if you can't dazzle em with brilliance, baffle them with bs) Duke http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 19:17:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA14962; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:17:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:17:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375C4D62.9A103C21@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 18:53:22 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Paris, John" CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VCO out on Digitech 7.6 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J-mvj2.0.oi2.Lu4Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John Paris wrote: > After a year of searching, I got myself a Digitech 7.6 Time > Machine. However, I don't have a manual. What does the VCO > out do? What sort of pedal would I use for it? > > ---------------------- > John Paris > john.paris@cpa.state.tx.us On both of my 7.6 Time Machines the last 3 jacks in the back are, VCO Pulse, trigger pulse and trigger footswitch. The vco control will sweep the range of the delay when a + 5 volt pedal is inserted. Very cool. You can make one easily from a passive volume pedal and parts from Radio Shack. A 9 volt supply will work fine. More info from Craig Anderton, reprinted by permission at http://members.xoom.com/echo17/dddl.html trigger pulse accepts a + 5 v pulse from some drum machines and synths; one pulse = one bar of music. I use an old Roland TR-626 as it accepts midi and can put out control voltage at any point that you place a click.I don't use the voices just the pulse so it plays soundless. trigger footswitch will accept a momentary button, I can't remember but probably normaly open type so that when its in sample mode you can trigger the sample to play from the begining everytime that you step on it, great stutter and surprise attack potential. hope this helps. jd http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 19:05:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA12659; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:05:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:05:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <031901beb136$0e7d5e00$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:35:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"cGbKR2.0.r82.7i4Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 4:35 PM Subject: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? >Have any of you loopers who are doing soundscaping noticed that your >perception of time is altered during the soundscaping? Yes, but for me it is similar to what happens whenever I "connect", if you know what I mean. I'm a didjeridu player and the same kind of thing happens when I play it, for example. We're on the edge of looper religion here...but I'll continue even if I sound flaky... * I've been reading "The Power of Myth" by Bill Moyer and Joseph Campbell. Campbell says that there are two kinds of myth. The function of one type is to entertain. The other type teaches you things about the universe, helps you access the inifinite, etc. It's a ritual myth. It struck me that you can consider music in the same way. Most of the music I play with other folks is entertainment. Most of the looper-based stuff, the soundscaping, is ritualistic in Campbell's sense. In my earlier days, I found listening to such bands as Pink Floyd gave me a similar experience. * Some examples of early non-technological looping can be found in religious ceremony. I think trance dancing and shaman drumming are probably examples. In the Christian church, I think the "responsive reading" can qualify as a looping experience. Here, the leader recites varying phrases and the congregation responds to each phrase with (usually) an unchanging phrase. Consider this situation as the leader "soloing" over a loop! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com >PS I am drug free. Although I usually drink Camomile tea when I'm >soundscaping. PS I am drug free as well. Usually I floss when I'm looping at home. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 19:01:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA11959; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:01:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:01:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375C40C4.4C9940ED@sfsu.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 14:59:32 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: John Cage recordings References: <026201beb0f2$aed4d2f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IUeOX3.0.Z9.i84Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I always thought that Cage was grouped in classical music because he's thought of as a composer. I believe he was also trained in some classical schools. From his training, he's descended from classical music. Somehow, when you compose music for other musicians to play, and it's not rock, people go and call it classical. This causes a lot of confusion especially when there's a sizeable group of classical music fans who say that "Classical Music" is music from a specific era, like the 1700's or so. The problem is, there's been no official name for the folks who branched off of classical music and composed music in different ways. I've seen "20th Century Music" sections in some record stores, but that could also include things like Aaron Copeland. What do you call music by current composers who are classically trained, but now compose music for computers? It's as complex as classical, but it sounds nothing like baroque music. It often doesn't even sound like instruments! It's pretty funny watching people try to describe it. They kind of squirm around and say, "You know, THAT kind of music." matt davignon "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > After thinking about this a great deal (do I have too much time or what?) I > conclude it all depends on what you mean by classical music. I consider > many of Cage's ideas to be the antithesis of classical music, such as using > chance operations, incorporation of noise, minimizing the "intention" of the > composer, etc. He spoke of his music as if it were an alternative to the > classical approach. To my ear, much of his music is the opposite of, say, > Bach's Fugues. On the other hand, he studied composition and music theory > and notated his compositions. > > It makes me wonder where looper music will be classified in fifty years. > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Unit Circle Media > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 5:18 PM > Subject: Re: John Cage recordings > > >Umm, I'm not sure where else you would find him. While his music was > >very progressive for it's time, it and he were completely grounded in > >"traditional" classical music. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 19:01:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA11923; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:01:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:01:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990607183342.007a5100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 18:33:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: John Cage recordings In-Reply-To: <026201beb0f2$aed4d2f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zsUwT.0.XH1.fS4Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ah, equivocation. As Bill Clinton said (and which I of course sampled and looped!) "It all depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." Or in this case the word 'Classical'... To the Music Theorist, 'Classical' has a rather narrow definition associated with (roughly) the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries; to them Cage is definitely not "Classical", but rather a "Twentieth-Century Composer" or something like that. But to the unit-shifting demographic-minded folks who SELL recorded music, "Classical" is the stuff in those bins over there... NOT jazz, NOT pop, NOT country, NOT (you get the point); it's defined by what it ISN'T... To them, it's ALL the stuff that gets written about in those Grove and Norton textbooks. A broad generalization to be sure, but not too far from the truth. At 09:33 AM 6/7/99 -0500, you wrote: >After thinking about this a great deal (do I have too much time or what?) I >conclude it all depends on what you mean by classical music. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 20:00:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA22089; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:00:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:00:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <013201beb136$00dd3540$7400a8c0@ws103> From: "Trevor Hartsell" To: References: <3.0.5.32.19990607183342.007a5100@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: John Cage recordings Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:35:10 -0700 Organization: http://www.introvert.org/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"TpOp72.0.pm1.qa4Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know this is unrelated, but wow, could you do me a favor and email me a copy of that clinton sample sometime? That is, if you still have it. Thanks! Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Nelson To: Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 3:33 PM Subject: Re: John Cage recordings > Ah, equivocation. As Bill Clinton said (and which I of course sampled and > looped!) "It all depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." Or in > this case the word 'Classical'... To the Music Theorist, 'Classical' has a > rather narrow definition associated with (roughly) the late eighteenth and > early nineteenth centuries; to them Cage is definitely not "Classical", but > rather a "Twentieth-Century Composer" or something like that. But to the > unit-shifting demographic-minded folks who SELL recorded music, "Classical" > is the stuff in those bins over there... NOT jazz, NOT pop, NOT country, > NOT (you get the point); it's defined by what it ISN'T... To them, it's ALL > the stuff that gets written about in those Grove and Norton textbooks. A > broad generalization to be sure, but not too far from the truth. > > At 09:33 AM 6/7/99 -0500, you wrote: > >After thinking about this a great deal (do I have too much time or what?) I > >conclude it all depends on what you mean by classical music. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 19:26:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA16501; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:26:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:26:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <030a01beb132$ee552070$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: John Cage recordings and what's in a name... Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:13:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"4Q53j.0.rx.8N4Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 4:42 PM Subject: Re: John Cage recordings and what's in a name... >I'm opposed to classifying music at all. Amen! The best music store I've seen, regarding "classifying" music, was one in Austin, TX. I can't remember the name of it, but they didn't classify anything! You could use a computer and search for "types of music" if you wanted to but the CDs in the store's bins were alphabetical by band/performer. I LIKED IT! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 20:29:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA26662; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:29:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:29:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990607234209.56523.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.11.209] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 16:42:08 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"U246p2.0.zd4.uZ5Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is interesting. I know what you mean by "connecting". Its hard to judge the time shift when I'm soundscaping alone in my apartment, since i'm not really paying attention to time. But in a live situation, where there are people and movement...I was sort of startled by it. It wasn't like I was in a different time, it was that I felt I was perceiving it differently. In perhaps a non-western way. I felt that I had slowed my own view of it. It had a similar feeling to the perception I'd get from doing martial arts. I've never considered my soundscaping as a religious act. I know that if I don't do it I get really grumpy. At least there's hope I'm not losing my marbles. >From: "Dennis W. Leas" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:35:33 -0500 > >-----Original Message----- >From: ld thomson >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 4:35 PM >Subject: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? > > >Have any of you loopers who are doing soundscaping noticed that your > >perception of time is altered during the soundscaping? > >Yes, but for me it is similar to what happens whenever I "connect", if you >know what I mean. I'm a didjeridu player and the same kind of thing >happens >when I play it, for example. > >We're on the edge of looper religion here...but I'll continue even if I >sound flaky... > >* I've been reading "The Power of Myth" by Bill Moyer and Joseph Campbell. >Campbell says that there are two kinds of myth. The function of one type >is >to entertain. The other type teaches you things about the universe, helps >you access the inifinite, etc. It's a ritual myth. It struck me that you >can consider music in the same way. Most of the music I play with other >folks is entertainment. Most of the looper-based stuff, the soundscaping, >is ritualistic in Campbell's sense. In my earlier days, I found listening >to such bands as Pink Floyd gave me a similar experience. > >* Some examples of early non-technological looping can be found in >religious >ceremony. I think trance dancing and shaman drumming are probably >examples. >In the Christian church, I think the "responsive reading" can qualify as a >looping experience. Here, the leader recites varying phrases and the >congregation responds to each phrase with (usually) an unchanging phrase. >Consider this situation as the leader "soloing" over a loop! > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > >PS I am drug free. Although I usually drink Camomile tea when I'm > >soundscaping. > >PS I am drug free as well. Usually I floss when I'm looping at home. > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 20:44:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA29269; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:44:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:44:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:04:22 -0700 Message-ID: <001C8FEF.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: John Cage recordings To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Jeff Duke Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"7y47F3.0.VQ3.f75Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: >> It makes me wonder where looper music will be classified in fifty years. Jeff Duke... > How is loop music classified now? > When I think of loop music I found that it is the process that its named by > and not the music itself. Why? Well the music is so varied that the process is > the only thing that we all have in common in an absolute sense. Read the > opening page of the LD site, it seems to me now and (forever?) the only > possible definition of loop music. LD has been such a great place to meet a vast cross section of different genre musicians, yet a place where we have something vital in common. There's not many other places out there that can say that... It's tough though when you look for an audience... It's almost better to completely ignore the looping aspect and get real solid on what you give the audience. High energy? or ambience? Dance grooves? Electronic(a)? Illbient? Rock? Acoustic? Humor/drama? Storytelling? It could be any of these... Throw in the fact that the performance will be bewildering to at least a few onlookers, and dismissed as pre-recorded or gimmicky. Good way to cut the wheat from the chaff! 8-) I've found that (at least in my mind) adding a multi-media twist really opens things up... lets the listener forget how the sound is being created and somehow a little less overtly analytical. Maybe it's just enough overwhelm to shut down that process for the time being. Anyway... beware the term "LOOP MUSIC"! best regards, -Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 20:48:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA30148; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:48:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:29:41 -0700 Message-ID: <001C9031.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "Dennis W. Leas" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"_VmQx1.0.cL4.2S5Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> Have any of you loopers who are doing soundscaping noticed that your >> perception of time is altered during the soundscaping? > Yes, but for me it is similar to what happens whenever I "connect", if you > know what I mean. I'm a didjeridu player and the same kind of thing happens > when I play it, for example. > * I've been reading "The Power of Myth" by Bill Moyer and Joseph Campbell. > Campbell says that there are two kinds of myth. The function of one type is > to entertain. The other type teaches you things about the universe, helps > you access the inifinite, etc. It's a ritual myth. It struck me that you > can consider music in the same way. Most of the music I play with other > folks is entertainment. Most of the looper-based stuff, the soundscaping, > is ritualistic in Campbell's sense. In my earlier days, I found listening > to such bands as Pink Floyd gave me a similar experience. Maybe we're getting somewhere here... "Ritual(istic) Music" could certainly pertain to a large body of our work in several genres. I'm sure the more humorous modes, and the slice and dice modes which move about wildly will probably not quite fit. The word ritual could serve to attract certain audience members quite ready to be swept away by the music... > * Some examples of early non-technological looping can be found in religious > ceremony. I think trance dancing and shaman drumming are probably examples. > In the Christian church, I think the "responsive reading" can qualify as a > looping experience. Here, the leader recites varying phrases and the > congregation responds to each phrase with (usually) an unchanging phrase. > Consider this situation as the leader "soloing" over a loop! Call and response is definitely western mantra in action! Check out the Robert Duval movie "The Apostle" if you want to see some really mesmerizing portrayals of this. What an amazing movie... I've become much more interested in reaching beyond my instrument (guitar) and adding word based conceptual ideas, to deepen the impact of various ideas. Ritualized repetitive action can be really powerful... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 21:30:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA04641; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:30:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:30:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: OPCODE & The EDP Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:50:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"PjPn_2.0.q05.ii5Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My friend Daniel Orlansky tells me he received an e-mail from OPCODE saying they are not handling the EDP. Interesting, no? Daniel, could you please send us a copy of the e-mail you received so we can all see it? David K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 21:18:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA02400; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:18:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:18:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <2e9c99e4.248db4e0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:50:56 EDT Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"BDMbd1.0.F-4.Bi5Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/7/99 6:05:28 PM Central Daylight Time, dennis@mdbs.com writes: << We're on the edge of looper religion here...but I'll continue even if I sound flaky... * I've been reading "The Power of Myth" by Bill Moyer and Joseph Campbell. Campbell says that there are two kinds of myth. The function of one type is to entertain. The other type teaches you things about the universe, helps you access the inifinite, etc. It's a ritual myth. It struck me that you can consider music in the same way. Most of the music I play with other folks is entertainment. Most of the looper-based stuff, the soundscaping, is ritualistic in Campbell's sense. In my earlier days, I found listening to such bands as Pink Floyd gave me a similar experience. * Some examples of early non-technological looping can be found in religious ceremony. I think trance dancing and shaman drumming are probably examples. In the Christian church, I think the "responsive reading" can qualify as a looping experience. Here, the leader recites varying phrases and the congregation responds to each phrase with (usually) an unchanging phrase. Consider this situation as the leader "soloing" over a loop! >> Yes!!! I don't even truly loop, as I don't have a true looping device, but this is the crux of the biscuit for me, and I am joyed to see it presented in a place where people discuss making music. I played for over twenty years, but until I started therapy and men's work, and accessed parts of me I hadn't before, music that I played sounded empty. It went into the head, perhaps, like bad prog (ok, flame away, but I know what I mean), but it didn't involve the body, nor, consequentially, the whole self. And part of accessing parts ot he humans psyche does involve ritual space. We love rituals. If you don't believe that, it may be that you just aren't aware of it. We have rituals around everything, from sex to drugs to rock and roll, to name the obvious. Today playing ALL music, whether it is in a church (sometimes I do that, yes), or with my 'jazz' group, I play music best when I enter a zone. Sorry, folks, I can't describe it to you, but time does get stretched there. As I get better at going there, the playing part becomes easier, and the listening becomes the real work. Go ahead, think I'm loopy too... I am sure I am. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 21:20:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA02874; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:20:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:20:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375C61BB.D631066B@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 20:20:11 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: John Cage recordings References: <3.0.5.32.19990607183342.007a5100@pop.ici.net> <013201beb136$00dd3540$7400a8c0@ws103> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eM_nY1.0.TH6.i96Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Me too! jd Trevor Hartsell wrote: > I know this is unrelated, but wow, could you do me a favor and email me a > copy of that clinton sample sometime? > > That is, if you still have it. > > Thanks! > Trevor > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim Nelson > To: > Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: John Cage recordings > > > Ah, equivocation. As Bill Clinton said (and which I of course sampled and > > looped!) "It all depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." Or in > > this case the word 'Classical'... To the Music Theorist, 'Classical' has a > > rather narrow definition associated with (roughly) the late eighteenth and > > early nineteenth centuries; to them Cage is definitely not "Classical", > but > > rather a "Twentieth-Century Composer" or something like that. But to the > > unit-shifting demographic-minded folks who SELL recorded music, > "Classical" > > is the stuff in those bins over there... NOT jazz, NOT pop, NOT country, > > NOT (you get the point); it's defined by what it ISN'T... To them, it's > ALL > > the stuff that gets written about in those Grove and Norton textbooks. A > > broad generalization to be sure, but not too far from the truth. > > > > At 09:33 AM 6/7/99 -0500, you wrote: > > >After thinking about this a great deal (do I have too much time or what?) > I > > >conclude it all depends on what you mean by classical music. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 22:23:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA13647; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:23:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:23:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d101beb153$9b0ee880$3d60aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <026201beb0f2$aed4d2f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> <375C116E.E5AADBB9@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: John Cage recordings Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:05:32 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"ftw5X2.0.Vh2.Uj7Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I may be a too idealistic but I would like to see a day when categories are done away with. The categories we have are inadequate as it is. Yet music is categorized in more fragmented terms. Carlos Santana said in an interview a few years ago the the term "Classical" was outdated. To his mind, Classical meant classic. His idea of classic music was John Coltrane and Miles Davis. I subsribe to that mode of thinking. > Dennis wrote: > > > It makes me wonder where looper music will be classified in fifty years. > > i can't think of anything more awful than the "loop music" section at a 2050's > era equivalent of "borders" (okay maybe one or two things more awful)... > > i remember a discussion on the list about whether it's fair to talk about > "loop" music as its own special category, somehow separate from the flow of > music culture in general...like, delay music, or sampled or cello or harmonica > music, as though the instrument or technique employed to create the music > determines its typology (i stop this line of reasoning at accordion music, > because it is indeed in a category unto itself :-) > > > lance g. > > (on a philosophical morning?) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 21:56:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA08640; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:56:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:56:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990608001846.17897.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:18:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"k5ro43.0.RP6.7C6Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---ld thomson wrote: > > I dont want to come across as some kind of flake... > but... > I may anyway. > Have any of you loopers who are doing soundscaping noticed that your > perception of time is altered during the soundscaping? This is called "trancing". It is normal. > PS I am drug free. Although I usually drink Camomile tea when I'm > soundscaping. Start taking hallucinagins immediately ;-) 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 22:45:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA17345; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:45:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:45:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009201beb152$2c75b9e0$3d60aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: "Loopers" Subject: Off Topic Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:56:45 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"F0wYa3.0.PG2.tZ7Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please forgive this non-looping e-mail. However, being that e-mail is an integral part of this lists functionality, I thought you would be interested in this item that was forwarded to me. I checked on the bill. It for real. > >>Please read the following carefully if you intend to > >>stay online and continue using email: The last few > >>months have revealed an alarming trend in the > >>Government of the United States attempting to quietly > >>push through legislation that will affect your use of > >>the Internet. Under proposed legislation the US > >>Postal Service will be attempting to bilk email users > >>out of "alternate postage fees." Bill 602P will permit > >>the Federal Govt. to charge a 5 cent surcharge on > >>every email delivered, by billing Internet Service > >>Providers at source. The consumer would then be > >>billed in turn by the ISP. Washington DC lawyer > >>Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this legislation > >>from > >>becoming law. > >> > >>The US Postal Service is claiming that > >>lost revenue due to the proliferation of email is > >>costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year. You > >>may have noticed their recent ad campaign "There is > >>nothing like a letter." Since the average citizen > >>received about 10 pieces of email per day in 1998, the > >>cost to the typical individual would be an additional > >>50 cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year, above > >>and beyond their regular Internet costs. Note that > >>this would be money paid directly to the US Postal > >>Service for a service they do not even provide. The > >>whole point of the Internet is democracy and > >>noninterference. If the federal government is > >>permitted to tamper with our liberties by adding a surcharge to > >>email, > >>who > >>knows > >>where it will end. You are already paying an > >>exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureaucratic > >>efficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for a > >>letter to be delivered from New York to Buffalo. > >> > >>If the US Postal Service is allowed to tinker with email, it > >>will > >>mark > >>the end of the "free" Internet in the United States. > >>One congressman, Tony Schnell (r) has even suggested a > >>"twenty to forty dollar per month surcharge on all > >>Internet service" above and beyond the government's > >>proposed email charges. Note that most of the major > >>newspapers have ignored the story, the only exception > >>being the Washingtonian which called the idea of email > >>surcharge "a useful concept who's time has come" > >>March 6th 1999 Editorial) Don't sit by and watch your > >>freedoms erode away! > >> > >>Send this email to all Americans on your list and tell > >>your friends and relatives to write to their > >>congressman and say "No!" to Bill 602P. Kate Turner > >>Assistant to Richard Stepp, Berger, Stepp and Gorman > >>Attorneys at Law 216 Concorde Street, Vienna, Va. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 23:33:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA24036; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:33:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:33:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00f301beb155$05dda1a0$3d60aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <19990607205857.99328.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:15:16 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"Nuq7h.0.293.-s7Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You are not a flake. I have experienced the same sensation many times and love it. That is the big attraction of looping for me. I consider myself a spiritual seeker and my looping endevours are very much in harmony with my spiritual practices. I never felt that way when I was playing Metal in the bands I played with in the 80's. I'm currently reading a book entitled "Chanting: Discovering Spirit in Sound" by Robert Gass. The book covers the socialogical and spiritual aspects of repeated chants and repitition. I've only started the book but it is fascinating. I've already found plenty of affirmation to my thoughts on looping. > I dont want to come across as some kind of flake... > but... > I may anyway. > Have any of you loopers who are doing soundscaping noticed that your > perception of time is altered during the soundscaping? > I don't meditate in the Buddist or Yogi style, however I have heard of this > effect from people who chant. I've noticed it several times during live > performances. > Am I sitting to close to my old GR300...or is this common? I can't ask my > "normal" musician friends as they already think I'm crazy for > soundscaping... > "yeah man...I can warp time with my DOD Dimension 12, far out.." That would > go over well. > But seriously, am I losing it or what? > > PS I am drug free. Although I usually drink Camomile tea when I'm > soundscaping. > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 00:01:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA28727; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:01:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:01:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801beb160$c79414e0$d262aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <009201beb152$2c75b9e0$3d60aec7@default> Subject: Re: Off Topic Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:41:18 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"JSeMQ1.0.aI6.x59Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As Kim pointed out to me, this is a hoax. I apologize and will be more careful. > Please forgive this non-looping e-mail. However, being that e-mail is an > integral part of this lists functionality, I thought you would be interested > in this item that was forwarded to me. I checked on the bill. It for real. > > > > >>Please read the following carefully if you intend to > > >>stay online and continue using email: The last few > > >>months have revealed an alarming trend in the > > >>Government of the United States attempting to quietly > > >>push through legislation that will affect your use of > > >>the Internet. Under proposed legislation the US > > >>Postal Service will be attempting to bilk email users > > >>out of "alternate postage fees." Bill 602P will permit > > >>the Federal Govt. to charge a 5 cent surcharge on > > >>every email delivered, by billing Internet Service > > >>Providers at source. The consumer would then be > > >>billed in turn by the ISP. Washington DC lawyer > > >>Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this legislation > > >>from > > >>becoming law. > > >> > > >>The US Postal Service is claiming that > > >>lost revenue due to the proliferation of email is > > >>costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year. You > > >>may have noticed their recent ad campaign "There is > > >>nothing like a letter." Since the average citizen > > >>received about 10 pieces of email per day in 1998, the > > >>cost to the typical individual would be an additional > > >>50 cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year, above > > >>and beyond their regular Internet costs. Note that > > >>this would be money paid directly to the US Postal > > >>Service for a service they do not even provide. The > > >>whole point of the Internet is democracy and > > >>noninterference. If the federal government is > > >>permitted to tamper with our liberties by adding a surcharge to > > >>email, > > >>who > > >>knows > > >>where it will end. You are already paying an > > >>exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureaucratic > > >>efficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for a > > >>letter to be delivered from New York to Buffalo. > > >> > > >>If the US Postal Service is allowed to tinker with email, it > > >>will > > >>mark > > >>the end of the "free" Internet in the United States. > > >>One congressman, Tony Schnell (r) has even suggested a > > >>"twenty to forty dollar per month surcharge on all > > >>Internet service" above and beyond the government's > > >>proposed email charges. Note that most of the major > > >>newspapers have ignored the story, the only exception > > >>being the Washingtonian which called the idea of email > > >>surcharge "a useful concept who's time has come" > > >>March 6th 1999 Editorial) Don't sit by and watch your > > >>freedoms erode away! > > >> > > >>Send this email to all Americans on your list and tell > > >>your friends and relatives to write to their > > >>congressman and say "No!" to Bill 602P. Kate Turner > > >>Assistant to Richard Stepp, Berger, Stepp and Gorman > > >>Attorneys at Law 216 Concorde Street, Vienna, Va. > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 7 23:52:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA27266; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:52:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:52:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375C9135.3100D51B@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 22:42:47 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Time is just a joke, change is all that we understand. References: <031901beb136$0e7d5e00$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b5th-2.0.m04.8B8Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It reminds me of the character in Catch 22 who makes his life as boring as possible in order to give himself the feeling that he's had a long life. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 01:34:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA14829; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:34:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:34:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990607234209.56523.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:04:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: The Floss of the Loop Resent-Message-ID: <"Uu0Yz2.0.k27.qM9Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >PS I am drug free as well. Usually I floss when I'm looping at home. Thank you for mentioning this, Dennis. Actually I am surprised that, so far as I know, flossing has yet to be discussed in-depth on this list. I am sure that somewhere I read a Terry Riley interview in which he described extensive use of dental floss during his famous all-night concerts in the sixties, certainly setting some sort of historical precedent which will be of obvious interest to loopers. David Myers BTW, maybe some of the knowledgable John Cage fans who have developed that thread can comment on Cage's attitude toward flossing. I've combed through "Silence", but so far haven't found any reference to the subject. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 03:36:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA03861; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:36:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:36:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375CB410.6E291A1E@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 16:11:28 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex loop mangler (patch) References: <17d83a1.24895d77@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ii2Vz1.0.fG5.gFBNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > Some of you may enjoy................ > > preset>> 9 Deja Vu B 2 Atmosphere B > mix 64 64 > output 64 64 > ModFX 32 42 > EchoFX 64 64 > Morph 59 59 > Env 64 1 > Echo1 1 1 > Echo2 1 3 > Feedback1 64 64 > Feedback2 1 1 > Rate1 11 3 > Depth1 32 5 > res1 21 1 > Rate2 15 2 > Depth2 1 14 > res2 1 1 > enjoying !! just submitted a very similar atmos b patch to the website... thanks again Andy... brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 05:50:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA19823; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 05:50:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 05:50:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906080834.KAA21738@aristotele.atene.it> From: "roberto briozzo" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:28:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: loop web sites Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.02b14) Resent-Message-ID: <"vCyxA2.0.IZ2.WIDNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi to everyone. some time ago, i read a mail about web sites where download samples.... i lost that mail..... would you send it to me again? thank you.... p.s. do you know how can i read a roland dj-70 floppy disk with a PC or a MAC? see you soon. canemacchina briozzo@atene.it icq 25922888 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 06:09:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA21975; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 06:09:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 06:09:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:31:23 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01beb189$4acc6e20$391ed1d1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <19990607205857.99328.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"e10YC1.0.oZ2.eIDNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am also drug-free, but can attest to time warps during soundscaping. This is indeed a physical phenomena, and applaud Thomson's bringing it up. Pass the tea, please. | -----Original Message----- | From: ld thomson [mailto:heatshrink@hotmail.com] | Sent: Monday 07 June 1999 1:59 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? | Have any of you loopers who are doing soundscaping noticed that your | perception of time is altered during the soundscaping? | I don't meditate in the Buddist or Yogi style, however I have | heard of this | effect from people who chant. I've noticed it several times | during live | performances. | PS I am drug free. Although I usually drink Camomile tea when I'm | soundscaping. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 09:02:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA12154; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:02:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:02:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990608141536.006a7ff8@email.aon.at> X-Sender: aon.912027787@email.aon.at X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 14:16:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: haeusle Subject: motu2408 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sr5Du.0.Kl.FPGNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all out there! thanks Kim, feels good to be back! i'm just about to to get myself far enough to buy some toys for HD-recording and it seems that the best you can get at this point of time is the motu2408. i heard a lot of good things about the emagic- logic silver and gold software and the emagic amt8 midi interface (to control my hardware samplers, effects, synths, loopers, ...) how is emagic's software? anybody with any experiences or comments? or is cubase way better? i know that motu's recording tool has been discussed a couple of weeks ago, but i don't think that following subject has been mentioned (i might be wrong...): since i don't have enough change to get myself a mac i'll have to run all this on my pc. as far as i remember you guys who use motu2408 work with mac's. will this work with my pc as good as with a mac or is it worth to wait another 6 month (and a lot of hard work)? would be really great if you could help me on this one! thanks in advance lorenz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 08:43:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA09221; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:43:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:43:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'ld thomson'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:28:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"K6vAm2.0.Ck7.DyFNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Right on! I would say anytime I've been totally immersed in performance, playing ambient or rock music, I've experienced some kind of time distortion. Generally, I feel the spaces between parts are greater - as if time were slowing down. It feels like I am better absorbing smaller and smaller moments, or being so concentrated I can feel little things with equal effect in the same way big things other times may be needed. David Kirkdorffer UNDO -----Original Message----- From: ld thomson [mailto:heatshrink@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 4:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? I dont want to come across as some kind of flake... but... I may anyway. Have any of you loopers who are doing soundscaping noticed that your perception of time is altered during the soundscaping? I don't meditate in the Buddist or Yogi style, however I have heard of this effect from people who chant. I've noticed it several times during live performances. Am I sitting to close to my old GR300...or is this common? I can't ask my "normal" musician friends as they already think I'm crazy for soundscaping... "yeah man...I can warp time with my DOD Dimension 12, far out.." That would go over well. But seriously, am I losing it or what? PS I am drug free. Although I usually drink Camomile tea when I'm soundscaping. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 09:31:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA17156; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:31:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:31:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:05:16 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: A Sense of Time (and Timelessness) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"dm8GH.0.Wv.pSGNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I always noted certain musical artists had an effect of timelessness on me (check out Terje Rypdal's more ethereal works, early to mid period Tangerine Dream, Michael Hoenig, etc.) When I started playing music, it was hard enough to figure out what to do on the instrument, much less determine a sense of time. Later, after I started playing in a "progressive" band there were so many complex changes in the music that it became hard to sense time - the stuff was literally always on the edge of our ability and so hours passed but it seemed like just a few minutes since one could barely breathe during the performances. Everybody was straight as an arrow (no alcohol even) as you had to be at the top of your game just to play the stuff we were writing then. It was only later that a sense of time emerged in what I was doing. Later, in looping I found it was easy to get much more contemplative and enter large spaces between the notes without fear of someone yelling that there weren't enough notes. The best looping for me has a sense of timelessness. On the back of Michael Hoenig's "Depature from the Northern Wasteland" he was quoted as saying "Repetition is the image of eternity in music.." (he used sequencers to death on that one, lots of loop-like repetition). So repetition could be perceived as an image of eternity, or a reflection of an interval (or a lifetime). Kind of profound when one thinks about it. So now I don't feel crazy for leaving processed loops going for hours! I even have a really weird tune I did where there are looped guitars, looped synths, drum programs, and a looped answering machine message. Very odd. I should put it up as a downloadable MP3 so you can hear it. Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 10:52:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA31572; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:52:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:52:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002801beb1ad$bbf4e540$a7b84e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Flossing / Combing / John Cage Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:52:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"02FXH.0.UR2.T4HNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>PS I am drug free as well. Usually I floss when I'm looping at home. > >Thank you for mentioning this, Dennis. Actually I am surprised that, so >far as I know, flossing has yet to be discussed in-depth on this list. I >am sure that somewhere I read a Terry Riley interview in which he described >extensive use of dental floss during his famous all-night concerts in the >sixties, certainly setting some sort of historical precedent which will be >of obvious interest to loopers. > >David Myers > >BTW, maybe some of the knowledgable John Cage fans who have developed that >thread can comment on Cage's attitude toward flossing. I've combed through >"Silence", but so far haven't found any reference to the subject. Wait a minute! We're talking "flossing" here! Please don't get off-topic and mention "combing" -- we'll save that for a "grooming" thread. Since you mentioned "Silence" and flossing, it reminded me of one of my favorite anecdotes in that great book. Also the fact that it's only 8:30 AM and is already close to 90 degrees here. I don't have it in front of me, but the gist of the story went like this: Cage said that he had a dental appointment on what turned out to be the hottest day of the year. He mentioned that since he thought of going to the dentist as a somewhat of a formal occasion [this was the 1950's] he decided to wear a jacket. While he was seated in the dentist's chair the dentist said, "It's so hot today -- wouldn't you feel more comfortable without your jacket?" Cage replied "I would, but my shirt has a hole in it." The dentist then said, "I have a hole in my sock, would you like me to take my shoes off?" I'd recommend "Silence" as a great read. But not necessarily for the essays on music. What I love are all the tiny marginal paragraphs like the one above, which are packed with all of Cage's wisdom, humor, and absurdity that might not be quite as apparent in just listening to the music, or reading the texts. I remember seeing Cage mentioned once in an article on contemporary music in my local newspaper. I was infuriated by a statement along the lines of "His ideas are so important that you don't even need to listen to his music." That killed me! Apparently this writer never caught on to the basic musical fact that "theory" only comes about long after "practice" is well-established. I'm sure Mr. Cage didn't start writing music to become a "theorist!" But try to find a copy, if just to read all those little gems, some of which have been posted recently. James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 10:13:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA24424; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:13:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:13:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:42:55 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19990608145117.3f0f62ae@subnet.virtual-pc.com> X-Sender: or387751@subnet.virtual-pc.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: david cooper orton Subject: Now in my day...(analog looping etc) Resent-Message-ID: <"eRqKs2.0.925.f_HNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all I noticed the following on BBC Radio 3's site, describing last Saturday's Mixing It programme. Anyone else looping like this?! Cheers David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Philip Jeck is best known for his work "Vinyl Requiem" with Lol Sargent (a performance for 180 dansette record players, 12 slide-projectors and 2 movie-projectors) which won the Time Out Performance Award in 1993. His most recent work "Surf" (Touch Records) continues to explore the possibilities of seemingly outmoded analogue techniques, creating many of the loops and samples from his collection of old vinyl. "With looped records or looped tapes the rhythmic structure looks after itself" says Jeck. "I listen to the sound and change the tone controls actually on the record players. And I really only use two effects - an old cheap reverb which goes wrong occasionally and a guitar delay pedal. I just fiddle around controls until it sounds right." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 10:33:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA28172; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:33:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:33:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990608134503.56966.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.9.209] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: The Effects Of Looping...praise the Lord and pass the Frippertronics Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 06:45:02 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"gQ5Ab3.0.Jo4.7wHNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Maybe we're getting somewhere here... "Ritual(istic) Music" could certainly >pertain to a large body of our work in several genres. I'm sure the more >humorous modes, and the slice and dice modes which move about wildly will >probably not quite fit. The word ritual could serve to attract certain >audience >members quite ready to be swept away by the music... Hey maybe we should start our own cult. Private jets and adoring attentants for everyone!! >Call and response is definitely western mantra in action! Check out the >Robert >Duval movie "The Apostle" if you want to see some really mesmerizing >portrayals >of this. What an amazing movie... I've become much more interested in >reaching >beyond my instrument (guitar) and adding word based conceptual ideas, to >deepen >the impact of various ideas. Ritualized repetitive action can be really >powerful... > Now THAT movie was scarey! Why? Because my Father was a Penticostal Holiness preacher and I was raised in that world. I never realized that I was raised in a cult until I saw it. I recognized the order of service, the songs EVERYTHING. Lorne Thomson Toronto, Canada ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 11:03:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA01568; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:03:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:03:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990608134823.48613.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 06:48:23 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"0q8q6.0.Ux4.GzHNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com funny how we all timidly talk about "the zone" or whatever..All afraid to even admit what occures when we enter it in case the other kids in the class will laugh at us and call us nerds. At least I'm guiltly of that. Lorne Thomson Toronto, Canada >From: KB305@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:50:56 EDT > >In a message dated 6/7/99 6:05:28 PM Central Daylight Time, dennis@mdbs.com >writes: > ><< We're on the edge of looper religion here...but I'll continue even if I > sound flaky... > > * I've been reading "The Power of Myth" by Bill Moyer and Joseph >Campbell. > Campbell says that there are two kinds of myth. The function of one type >is > to entertain. The other type teaches you things about the universe, >helps > you access the inifinite, etc. It's a ritual myth. It struck me that >you > can consider music in the same way. Most of the music I play with other > folks is entertainment. Most of the looper-based stuff, the >soundscaping, > is ritualistic in Campbell's sense. In my earlier days, I found >listening > to such bands as Pink Floyd gave me a similar experience. > > * Some examples of early non-technological looping can be found in >religious > ceremony. I think trance dancing and shaman drumming are probably >examples. > In the Christian church, I think the "responsive reading" can qualify as >a > looping experience. Here, the leader recites varying phrases and the > congregation responds to each phrase with (usually) an unchanging phrase. > Consider this situation as the leader "soloing" over a loop! > >> >Yes!!! > > I don't even truly loop, as I don't have a true looping device, but this >is >the crux of the biscuit for me, and I am joyed to see it presented in a >place >where people discuss making music. I played for over twenty years, but >until I started therapy and men's work, and accessed parts of me I hadn't >before, music that I played sounded empty. It went into the head, perhaps, >like bad prog (ok, flame away, but I know what I mean), but it didn't >involve >the body, nor, consequentially, the whole self. And part of accessing >parts >ot he humans psyche does involve ritual space. We love rituals. If you >don't believe that, it may be that you just aren't aware of it. We have >rituals around everything, from sex to drugs to rock and roll, to name the >obvious. > >Today playing ALL music, whether it is in a church (sometimes I do that, >yes), or with my 'jazz' group, I play music best when I enter a zone. >Sorry, >folks, I can't describe it to you, but time does get stretched there. As I >get better at going there, the playing part becomes easier, and the >listening >becomes the real work. > >Go ahead, think I'm loopy too... I am sure I am. > >Kevin > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 11:20:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA05249; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:20:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:20:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990608135453.42421.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.9.209] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 06:54:53 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"NWW8i2.0.M86._NINt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, now are you saying it is a PHYSICAL effect or a preceived effect? >From: "Javier Miranda V." >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: RE: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? >Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:31:23 -0700 > >I am also drug-free, but can attest to time warps during soundscaping. >This >is indeed a physical phenomena, and applaud Thomson's bringing it up. Pass >the tea, please. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: ld thomson [mailto:heatshrink@hotmail.com] > | Sent: Monday 07 June 1999 1:59 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? > > | Have any of you loopers who are doing soundscaping noticed that your > | perception of time is altered during the soundscaping? > | I don't meditate in the Buddist or Yogi style, however I have > | heard of this > | effect from people who chant. I've noticed it several times > | during live > | performances. > | PS I am drug free. Although I usually drink Camomile tea when I'm > | soundscaping. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 11:07:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA02338; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:07:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:07:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990608135048.3927.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 06:50:47 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"dCaAr1.0.O15.V_HNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have never needed to take anything, and any time I have its caused way more problems than opened doors. The purest form of insight for me has come on the mat training in Aikido. Lorne Thomson Toronto, Canada >From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:18:46 -0700 (PDT) > >93 > >---ld thomson wrote: > > > > I dont want to come across as some kind of flake... > > but... > > I may anyway. > > Have any of you loopers who are doing soundscaping >noticed that your > > perception of time is altered during the >soundscaping? > >This is called "trancing". It is normal. > > > PS I am drug free. Although I usually drink >Camomile tea when I'm > > soundscaping. > >Start taking hallucinagins immediately ;-) > >93 >Rev. Doubt-Goat >=== > The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat > > The Darsan Trio > Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. > Lion & Serpent > > http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 11:35:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA08585; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:35:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:35:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990608092920.00876490@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:29:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: Re: John Cage recordings and what's in a name... In-Reply-To: <030a01beb132$ee552070$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7eY221.0.0d6.bYINt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:13 PM 6/7/99 -0500, you wrote: >-----Original Message----- >>I'm opposed to classifying music at all. > >Amen! The best music store I've seen, regarding "classifying" music, was >one in Austin, TX. I can't remember the name of it, but they didn't >classify anything! I LIKED IT! > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > Would that be Waterloo Records? It's a huge place in Austin, and they don't classify anything (except movie soundtracks, as I recall). For browsing, it's a pain in the ass, because you have to sift through all the hillbilly music, derivative top 40 crap, etc. For practical purposes like browsing, one can argue that a certain level of categorization is preferal, even if it means the usual misclassification. (like calling Kenny G jazz). Always two sides to every argument. . . .except the exploitative sides of capitalism (Hah!) Michael. ================================================================ Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Department of Social Sciences Texas A&M International University Laredo, TX 78041 U.S.A. Telephone: (956)326-2634 Office; (956)326-2464 FAX E-Mail myoder@tamiu.edu Web Page: http://tamiu.edu/~myoder/ ================================================================ "English ideas about property have given us both the Bill of Rights and the industrial slum." (Archibald C. Coolidge, Jr.) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 12:03:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA13988; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:03:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:03:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990608171147.006fabf8@email.aon.at> X-Sender: aon.912027787@email.aon.at X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 17:12:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: haeusle Subject: waldorf miniworks filter upgrade? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8Rhg7.0.v8.X-INt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi! guess what: talked to a guy at our local music store and he told me that there should come out an upgrade-chip for waldorf's miniworks 4-pole filter (more wave forms, etc.). does anybody know anything about that? or is this just a rumor? lorenz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 12:29:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA19463; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:29:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:29:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010601beb1c5$782029c0$362a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: , Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #228 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:41:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Oz7re1.0.bA2.sYJNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Three quick comments, then I must get some work done to pay the bills... Re. the John Cage record bin categorization thing: The very thought of a Cage recording is humorous, considering his philosophy. Then attempting to put it in a slot...! My favorite system of categorization was practiced by Manny Maris at a small record shop he ran in lower Manhattan called "Lunch For Yor Ears" (misspelling intentional). He put recordings into two categories: vocal and instrumental. Here's a thought: what categories do you put your own records into once you get them home? Re. the Loop Religion thing, which keeps popping up. I find it curious that so many people seem to feel the need to apologize for their observations ("you may think I'm crazy, but...") I wish we could make the ecstatic quality of looping a given. I would also like to find a site where this kind of thing is discussed regularly. Here's a whole new topic: why are there apparently so few women involved with looping, and with music technology in general? I've been catching some "electronica-songwriter" stuff on the college FM radio lately which is largely female vocal with ambient/loop/ 'lectronic textures (kinda mid 90's Sarah McLaghlan, Sheila Chandra, Ani DiFranco) so it exists, but I see no discussion of this. Could all the women reading this please raise their hands? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 12:16:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA16944; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:16:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:16:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990608153354.006d2fa8@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 17:33:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: loop web sites Resent-Message-ID: <"r0hWc1.0.B92.MYJNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi Roberto maybe you can find something here.... ftp://jsellens0.uunet.ca/pub/sgroup ciao leo At 10.28 08/06/99 +0200, you wrote: >hi to everyone. >some time ago, i read a mail about web sites where download >samples.... i lost that mail..... would you send it to me again? >thank you.... > >p.s. do you know how can i read a roland dj-70 floppy disk with a >PC or a MAC? >see you soon. >canemacchina >briozzo@atene.it >icq 25922888 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 12:39:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA21764; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:39:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:39:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990608095635.0087d980@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:56:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: Re: classifications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Xm-Cp1.0.jw7.7yINt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com . . .Just a followup to my slightly sarcastic argument in favor of classifying music for the purpose of browsing in a record store. . . . . Actually, whatever happened to that category called "C.I.", or "contemporary instrumental" that was supposed to be pushed by the record companies about five years ago? They seemed in words (if not in deeds) to be responding to the kinds of complaints expressed in this thread. . . .that categories all too often are inaccurate or misleading. C.I. was supposed to be an umbrella category for non-jazz instrumental musics, anything from electronic to "chamber jazz" to electronica dance, to ambient dance to trip hop to acid jazz to Cage to Jon Hassell to some ECM to Windham Hill to. . . .you name it (instrumental music that's not jazz per-se.) Perhaps postmodern juxtapositions of music "styles" make categorization difficult, I admit. But Contemporary Instrumental seemed intuitively a good idea. Whatever happened to it? Michael. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 12:27:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA19014; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:27:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:27:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:23:13 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? In-Reply-To: <19990608135048.3927.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"aAjE71.0.vY1.5OJNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I have never needed to take anything, and any time I have its caused way > more problems than opened doors. The purest form of insight for me has come > on the mat training in Aikido. > Agreed! There is nothing to compare with setting up a loop and then playing through a form of Tai Chi. When you finish you are in the starting posture - so just loop-on into another form. hmmmmmmm, martial arts loop. Jim Carter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 13:03:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA27244; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:03:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:03:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005701beb1cd$18b0bb00$e61bbfa8@default> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: John Cage and writings Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:36:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"jbDd31.0.0M5.sTKNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What you speak about is on a CD set of his called "Indeterminacy". It's a 2 CD set with a good sized booklet. He reads a lot of his memories while David Tudor plays music. He does that story, the one about Japanese poetry, his past teachers, and times he was just hanging around friends. It's out on Smithsonian Recordings so it shouldn't be all that hard to find. Jeff Collins -----Original Message----- From: James Pokorny To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:51 AM Subject: Flossing / Combing / John Cage >>>PS I am drug free as well. Usually I floss when I'm looping at home. >> >>Thank you for mentioning this, Dennis. Actually I am surprised that, so >>far as I know, flossing has yet to be discussed in-depth on this list. I >>am sure that somewhere I read a Terry Riley interview in which he described >>extensive use of dental floss during his famous all-night concerts in the >>sixties, certainly setting some sort of historical precedent which will be >>of obvious interest to loopers. >> >>David Myers >> >>BTW, maybe some of the knowledgable John Cage fans who have developed that >>thread can comment on Cage's attitude toward flossing. I've combed through >>"Silence", but so far haven't found any reference to the subject. > > >Wait a minute! We're talking "flossing" here! Please don't get off-topic >and mention "combing" -- we'll save that for a "grooming" thread. > >Since you mentioned "Silence" and flossing, it reminded me of one of my >favorite anecdotes in that great book. Also the fact that it's only 8:30 AM >and is already close to 90 degrees here. I don't have it in front of me, >but the gist of the story went like this: > >Cage said that he had a dental appointment on what turned out to be the >hottest day of the year. He mentioned that since he thought of going to the >dentist as a somewhat of a formal occasion [this was the 1950's] he decided >to wear a jacket. While he was seated in the dentist's chair the dentist >said, "It's so hot today -- wouldn't you feel more comfortable without your >jacket?" Cage replied "I would, but my shirt has a hole in it." The >dentist then said, "I have a hole in my sock, would you like me to take my >shoes off?" > >I'd recommend "Silence" as a great read. But not necessarily for the essays >on music. What I love are all the tiny marginal paragraphs like the one >above, which are packed with all of Cage's wisdom, humor, and absurdity that >might not be quite as apparent in just listening to the music, or reading >the texts. I remember seeing Cage mentioned once in an article on >contemporary music in my local newspaper. I was infuriated by a statement >along the lines of "His ideas are so important that you don't even need to >listen to his music." That killed me! Apparently this writer never caught >on to the basic musical fact that "theory" only comes about long after >"practice" is well-established. I'm sure Mr. Cage didn't start writing >music to become a "theorist!" > >But try to find a copy, if just to read all those little gems, some of which >have been posted recently. > >James > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 12:57:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA25999; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:57:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:57:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:03:52 -0700 Message-ID: <001C984C.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[4]: The Effects Of Looping...praise the Lord and pass To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ld thomson Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"5BK3K.0.-m3.k0KNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Maybe we're getting somewhere here... "Ritual(istic) Music" could certainly >>pertain to a large body of our work in several genres. I'm sure the more >>humorous modes, and the slice and dice modes which move about wildly will >>probably not quite fit. The word ritual could serve to attract certain >>audience members quite ready to be swept away by the music... > Hey maybe we should start our own cult. Private jets and adoring attentants > for everyone!! Hooded Robes!... Live internet feeds from our subteranean chambers... strange symbols... and most definitely, bring on the adoring attendants! >> Call and response is definitely western mantra in action! Check out the >> Robert Duval movie "The Apostle" if you want to see some really mesmerizing >> portrayals of this. What an amazing movie... I've become much more interested >> in reaching beyond my instrument (guitar) and adding word based conceptual >> ideas, to deepen the impact of various ideas. Ritualized repetitive action >> can be really powerful... >Now THAT movie was scarey! Why? Because my Father was a Penticostal >Holiness preacher and I was raised in that world. I never realized that I >was raised in a cult until I saw it. I recognized the order of service, the >songs EVERYTHING. >Lorne Thomson Whoa Lorne, I sympathise with you... Holy Smokes! Swear to Buddha! I'm an Aztec!!!... (a quote from his high holiness of the Lunar Asylum, Moon Sharon...) -Biffoz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 13:51:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA04873; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:51:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:51:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990608163917.00711710@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 18:39:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: motu2408 Resent-Message-ID: <"tM6Z83.0.CR5.jVKNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I use the MOTU2408 with a PC, some adats, dats, digital desk, sampler, etc. it's really good. I use Cubase. VST 3.65 rules. 3.7 maybe much better. logic is great too. Logic 4 will be a bomb. I think you can do a lot of things with a PC too, if you are not afraid in configuring the thing. I work professionally with this setup (350mhz PII, 128MB ram, 20 Gb HD) and i'm really happy with it. ciao leo >since i don't have enough change to get myself a mac i'll have to run all >this on my pc. as far as i remember you guys who use motu2408 work with >mac's. will this work with my pc as good as with a mac or is it worth to >wait another 6 month (and a lot of hard work)? > >would be really great if you could help me on this one! >thanks in advance > >lorenz > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 13:31:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA00392; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:31:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:31:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: purity-tcweller@mail.purity.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <030a01beb132$ee552070$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:31:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Travis Weller Subject: Re: John Cage recordings and what's in a name... Resent-Message-ID: <"IeFzh2.0.cl4.MJKNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>I'm opposed to classifying music at all. > >Amen! The best music store I've seen, regarding "classifying" music, was >one in Austin, TX. I can't remember the name of it, but they didn't >classify anything! You could use a computer and search for "types of music" >if you wanted to but the CDs in the store's bins were alphabetical by >band/performer. I LIKED IT! i'm pretty sure you are referring to waterloo records. very cool store indeed. they do have a few sections that don't fit into the band/performer system though (compilations, soundtracks, etc). for instance, john cage is in the composers section. this makes it really easy to find music that might, in another store, be located in any one of jazz, pop, rock, or (god forbid) 'electronica'. it's very natural for people to want to put things into categories. i just hate going to the record store and looking through the jazz and electronica sections for isotope 217 and eventually finding it in pop (?!). -travis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 14:24:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12438; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:24:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:24:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <4934335b.248eab8d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:23:25 EDT Subject: Re: Vortex loop mangler (patch) To: c.voit@vtx.ch CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Resent-Message-ID: <"7pV4e.0.hi7.88LNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 06/06/99 23:19:31 GMT Daylight Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes: > Aouch > I played a 3 sec stereo loop thru those patches > on the regiser B (second column) ..but did you try using the vortex to make a loop in the A patch, then disrupting that by A/Bing?(Vortex mangles it's own loop) thanks for your ideas, I hadn't thought of that one unusual processing using the echoes like that probably worth trying out different Depth and rate settings (bet you have already) or res1 = 64 and res2 to pedal... bye .........Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 14:26:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12860; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:26:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:26:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <041201beb1cf$55aed3a0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: John Cage recordings and what's in a name... Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:52:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ioiyX.0.NU6.rmKNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Would that be Waterloo Records? Bingo! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 14:25:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12657; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:25:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:25:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375D51E0.5E167F55@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 19:24:48 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en-US,fr-BE,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, haeusle@aon.at Subject: Re: waldorf miniworks filter upgrade? References: <3.0.32.19990608171147.006fabf8@email.aon.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LV47c.0.JT.4KLNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com haeusle wrote: > > hi! > guess what: > talked to a guy at our local music store and he told me that there should > come out an upgrade-chip for waldorf's miniworks 4-pole filter (more wave > forms, etc.). > > does anybody know anything about that? or is this just a rumor? > > lorenz Lorenz this could be a good news or a rumor.... there is a waldorf mailling list where you could ask the question its at http://www.Waldorf-gmbh.de/user-forum.html the list is actively followed by the waldorf guys so you should have an answer keep filtering Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 14:46:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA17107; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:46:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:46:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: RE: loop web sites Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:52:09 -0400 Message-ID: <002401beb1d7$a1099f80$81f3fbd0@futurepe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <199906080834.KAA21738@aristotele.atene.it> Resent-Message-ID: <"3mgc42.0.2H1.KXLNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well I have a few basic looping samples at my site, if that helps... Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave   > > hi to everyone. > some time ago, i read a mail about web sites where download > samples.... i lost that mail..... would you send it to me again? > thank you.... > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 16:30:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA05547; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:30:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:30:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375D7B0A.CFDDA1C7@sfsu.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 13:20:26 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: classifications Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sEoc82.0.R-.ikNNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think there are two major problems with classifying all music. 1) There gets to be so many kinds of music that it's impossible for anybody to know for sure what they all are. For example, It took me about 7 years to figure out the difference between all of the 30 or so classifications of techno. There are also misleading ones like "jungle" and "alternative". Not to mention double-meaning ones like "ambient". 2) The biggest problem with this is that most major label music is released to specifically fit snugly into a set genre. Can you tell your country bands apart? How about alt-rock groups? The contributions that they make are so similar that they're almost worthless. This inhibits the amount of variety we get on the radio. If there weren't pre-existing classifications for music, each new band would be encouraged to find their own musical territory, rather than re-churn stuff that we've already heard tons of times. Sorry if I offended country or alt-rock fans. There is good country and alt-rock---it's just not on the radio or mtv. matt davignon From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 16:35:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA06786; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:35:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:35:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990608195755.7608.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [134.174.151.250] From: Sean Witters To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Floss...snicker,snicker, Might I inject some irony? Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 12:57:55 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"TLaW52.0.ui7.hNNNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm trying to maintain a standard of decorum but with all this talk of Post-Modern music and dental floss I'm shocked nobody has mentioned Zappa's use of floss as a (well, how should I phrase this text in order to get it on television) a symbol for lonely auto-erotic type activities. "Raising my lonely dental floss... Raisin' it up, Waxin' it down..., you get the picture. If you mix this in with Johnny "Guitar" Watson's take on solo studio multitracking...Ahhhhh, these looping jokes are too obvious, forget it... If anyone wants to dig deeper into absurd Zappa scholar theories such as; Don't Eat the Yellow Snow and King Lear, or Montana and Freud, read "The Negative Dialectics of Poodle Play". This dissertation gone wrong is an Hegelian/Marxist critique of Zappa's life and canon that makes a genuine (but strange) attempt to place him in context with the modern and post-modern era's other monster geniuses, Joyce, Freud, Stravinsky, Nancarrow...et al. (Slave to the context) there are some comments on his use of looping with the 80's bands in the later chapters. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 17:17:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA15587; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:17:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:17:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375D7C8C.3B46E1D7@sfsu.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 13:26:52 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: classifications--on the other hand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BctkU3.0.VJ1.GqNNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On the other hand, classification of music at my record store is very helpful. Each time I go shopping, I pick up a few clearance CD's for under $5. I really have nothing to pick these CD's out by other than the cover, group name, and track titles. For this, I'm really grateful that Amoeba Records in SF has an "Experimental Clearance" section where most of the stuff I don't like is already taken out. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 18:22:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA27949; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:22:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:22:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <046d01beb1f5$22a49d70$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: classifications--on the third hand Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:23:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"OKYDX1.0.oV4.bkONt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think music classifications can be useful when they serve to describe the music. Such descriptions help us talk about the music, select stuff, etc. Too many times, however, the classification is used to define the music and musician. As if to say, "This music is X and nothing else." and "All music must be X or not-X (can't be both!)" According to this narrow view, once a rocker always a rocker, for example. Contrary to this, most musicians I know enjoy a wider variety of music than non-players. So in reality, playing music broadens your viewpoint, not narrows it. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 19:32:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA09079; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:32:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:32:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990607205857.99328.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:28:11 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? Resent-Message-ID: <"clY5c.0.id6.vRPNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I dont want to come across as some kind of flake... >but... >I may anyway. >Have any of you loopers who are doing soundscaping noticed that your >perception of time is altered during the soundscaping? >I don't meditate in the Buddist or Yogi style, however I have heard of this >effect from people who chant. I've noticed it several times during live >performances. me too. People do not feel how much time passes. I have control on my DAT counter, and I am amazed myself, often. Does this mean that we are "off this time plain" during some time? Then again, time perception is also altered in other intense experiences... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 19:33:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA09145; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:33:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:33:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <375C116E.E5AADBB9@earthlink.net> References: <026201beb0f2$aed4d2f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:27:39 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: looper music Resent-Message-ID: <"w1SK63.0.ac6.gRPNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Dennis wrote: > >> It makes me wonder where looper music will be classified in fifty years. > I do not think so, its a tool that serves for too may styles. There is no classification for MIDI music either. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 19:43:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA10855; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:43:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:43:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Greyseason@aol.com Message-ID: <5925aff3.248ef393@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:30:43 EDT Subject: Looping genres To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 15 Resent-Message-ID: <"CYWS-3.0.LO7.1dPNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Recently, there has been much talk on the list about classifying loop music, John Cage, etc. I started to think about a genre of music where looping is a common practice: Hip-Hop. I have not seen rap music discussed on the list and I was wondering what everyone thought. I think it is pretty safe to say that everybody on this list is into looping. What does everyone think of hip-hop? I started to think about it this morning while listening to "It Was A Good Day" by Ice Cube. I thought to myself: "That is a great little guitar loop." I quickly realized why I like rap so much (other than for those fun rhymes and phat beats). I'm just curious. Sam Paterson From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 20:04:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA14352; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:04:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:04:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <017201beacfd$a19f0810$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:28:11 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: It just goes... Resent-Message-ID: <"95pSI1.0.rd6.vRPNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>It takes a little effort to treat all of the sound >>sources in such an environment as totally equal with no intrinsic meaning >in >>terms of language, etc., but the result is a very interesting and somewhat >>exhilarating, "sound collage" experience. > >Yes! Become a receiver (but not interpreter) of the sonic environment. >It's kind of dis-embodying (is that a word?). My last CD project is called "ouvir mais e pedir menos" = listen more and ask (in the sense of demand, beg) less. Still, to do your work (as artist and such) you will probably have to translate (from channel to instrument) and end up interpreting :-) ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 19:47:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA11571; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:47:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:47:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <375C40C4.4C9940ED@sfsu.edu> References: <026201beb0f2$aed4d2f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:27:27 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: John Cage recordings ("scientific"?) Resent-Message-ID: <"Dkvno1.0.yb6.XRPNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think "Classical Music" has a lot to do with the social aceptance. Its what Academy and University accepts as "art" and classifies. This again, has a lot to do with the habits of the musician. If he is connected to the institutions, chance that his work is accepted is much bigger. If he considers himself "alternative" and plays "on the steet", he is not classic but popular, right? Maybe it also has to do with the ability of the musician to explain the function of his work within the music history? Similarely, a brilliant article of new tecniques is not "scientific" if its not written in a scientific magazine or has no literature reference list at the end. I think I want to try what institutes think of my music, just to see... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 22:36:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA08189; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:36:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:36:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990608215921.0079d100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 21:59:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: John Cage recordings ("scientific"?) In-Reply-To: References: <375C40C4.4C9940ED@sfsu.edu> <026201beb0f2$aed4d2f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7wvfE2.0.A5.RZSNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This reminds me; did anyone catch "Breakfast with the Arts" on A&E last week? Laurie Anderson was being interviewed, and spoke about the use of new instruments in new contexts, circuit bending, etc. She told of an instrument she's recently built which she described as a stick along which there are sliding sleeves which trigger various samples and loops, and which can be "played" in a highly theatrical manner by the "dancers" onstage as well as by the "musicians" (the quotation marks reflect the very flexible and overlapping job descriptions of the artists involved in her project...) But the best part of it all was the blank stare the interviewer wore on his face while Ms. Anderson enthusiastically talked tech; he was obviously much more comfortable asking her questions about her popular acceptance, and visibly fidgeted while she described the MIDI outs on her new instrument, or her tape head violin, or anything from the perspective of CREATING the music (as performer) as opposed to the CONSUMPTION of art (as audient). Tim At 07:27 PM 6/8/99 -0300, you wrote: >I think "Classical Music" has a lot to do with the social aceptance. >Its what Academy and University accepts as "art" and classifies. >This again, has a lot to do with the habits of the musician. If he is >connected to the institutions, chance that his work is accepted is much >bigger. If he considers himself "alternative" and plays "on the steet", he >is not classic but popular, right? > >Maybe it also has to do with the ability of the musician to explain the >function of his work within the music history? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 22:45:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA09785; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:45:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:45:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375DC77B.B0CD5F99@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 11:46:35 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? References: <19990608135453.42421.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MlUt92.0.Hh7.vSSNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ld thomson wrote: > Hey, now are you saying it is a PHYSICAL effect or a preceived effect? > in reply to: > > > > >I am also drug-free, but can attest to time warps during soundscaping. > >This > >is indeed a physical phenomena, and applaud Thomson's bringing it up. Pass > >the tea, please. maybe there is some physical basis for this time dilation effect... i could swear that sometimes during extended loopage/scapeage that my *breathing* seems to have synched with the loop.. (and of course as soon as you consciously perceive this, the effect is lost) what we need is a thorough scientific test of this phenomenon... ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 8 23:46:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA20859; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:46:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:46:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906090257.TAA08909@sparrow.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 22:59:22 -0400 Subject: Re: OPCODE & The EDP From: "Daniel Orlansky" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EBWwj.0.Ls2.WWTNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---------- >From: David Kirkdorffer >To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" >Subject: OPCODE & The EDP >Date: Mon, Jun 7, 1999, 7:50 PM > >My friend Daniel Orlansky tells me he received an e-mail from OPCODE saying >they are not handling the EDP. Interesting, no? > >Daniel, could you please send us a copy of the e-mail you received so we can >all see it? > >David K > > >Sorry, but I deleted the e-mail David. What it said in response to my query >about EDP >availability, in capital letters, was "OPCODE DOES NOT CARRY THIS PRODUCT." > >If Opcode is supposed to handle future EDP distribution, I urge everyone to >beseige >Opcode with requests for the EDP distribution, as David urged in a previous >e-mail!!! > > >Their e-mail address is: htpp://www.opcode.com/forms/feedback.html. Use >their form to >send an e-mail to customer service. > >I mean, let's get the message across: we want the EDP! > >Daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 00:48:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA01536; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:48:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:48:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <73db9da6.248f3b06@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:35:34 EDT Subject: Re: John Cage recordings ("scientific"?) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"Zd9pP2.0.fa4.25UNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/9/99 1:36:31 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: << But the best part of it all was the blank stare the interviewer wore on his face while Ms. Anderson enthusiastically talked tech >> i find this "blank stare" appear with 99% of the people who ask me what kind of music i play, there is a little excitement when i say i play guitar, but the second i bring up the idea of playing with "sounds", creating a sonic wallpaper, they all get a bit fuzzy and want me to go away or a least change the topic........perhaps its my inability to communicate what i do without getting into the "tech" aspect.........."are you in a band?" is always the question after "what do you play" and when i answer, "i am the band" they seldom, if ever say "tell me more"............thank goodness for LD...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 02:03:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA15099; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 02:03:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 02:03:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375E04BD.48073C39@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 01:07:58 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: I am loopy References: <19990608135453.42421.qmail@hotmail.com> <375DC77B.B0CD5F99@latrobe.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sqVa2.0.P11.HPVNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What ever happened to good o'l psychedelic drug usage? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 04:53:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA09690; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 04:53:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 04:53:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:41:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000001beb24b$6effc5e0$2f1ed1d1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990608135453.42421.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"zh4Vd.0.Ze7.PfXNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm saying it is "indeed a physical phenomena." What is time? What is reality? We know from A. Einstein, may he rest in peace, even if we don't fully understand, that time is different whether you're standing still or moving at very fast speeds. Just what does it mean to move "close to the speed of light"? Can't our spirits fly out at the speed of light and come back? I've heard too many stories about people who die and float away from their bodies, listen to conversations going on in other rooms, etc., and come back to their bodies because it's "not their time." I've also heard too many folkloric stories about holy or otherwise blessed men who "leave their bodies" and travel to other places, whatever. I hold that when we loop and get attuned to this dimensional door, we actually enter another level of existence and therefore time is physically different for us during those periods. You can wait as long as you want for "science" to catch up and offer some "real" proof for this, but my experience is good enough for me. I hold that your experience ought to be good enough for you. We at Loopers' Delight know what I'm talking about — the "zone," "trance," "meditation," whatever you want to call it. When we come to, we know we've been gone and have just come back. I've known for a long time that looping is more than just trying to exploit the most I can from my cheap and not-so-cheap electronic equipment, that music is more than mere organized sounds. And tea helps, especially when spiked with something. Somebody just mentioned the drugs, good old drugs. Our minds (spirits) are more than mere brains flashing biochemical signals. The sum of the molecules doesn't add up to the product. Some of us loopers are here only part time. OK, back to looping. | -----Original Message----- | From: ld thomson [mailto:heatshrink@hotmail.com] | Sent: Tuesday 08 June 1999 6:55 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: RE: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? | | | Hey, now are you saying it is a PHYSICAL effect or a preceived effect? | >I am also drug-free, but can attest to time warps during | soundscaping. | >This | >is indeed a physical phenomena, and applaud Thomson's bringing | it up. Pass | >the tea, please. | > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 06:13:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id GAA20519; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:13:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:13:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: ambient@hyperreal.com From: Hans Stoeve Subject: cd sale Cc: powerspot@onelist.com, ElectronicMusic@onelist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:32:22 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: <"ma3Ff1.0.yb3.zJZNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a couple of hundred cd's I'm selling. Lots of ECM, ambient and experimental. Prices range from Australian 13 onwards not including postage. If you buy four or more I'll pay for the postage. If interested e mail me and I'll send you the list. Sorry about any cross postings. Best wishes Hans Stoeve c/o Power Spot 89.7FM Sydney, Australia http://www.users.bigpond.com/nadabrahma reviews / interviews / cd's for sale / the ultimate Jon Hassell webpage subscribe to the Jon Hassell discussion group http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/powerspot subscribe to the Extreme discussion group http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/extrememusic We always welcome new material for review and airplay. If interested please forward on to: 3 / 12 Murdoch St Cremorne NSW 2090 *** the further one goes the less one knows *** From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 06:47:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA17395; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 05:51:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 05:51:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5925aff3.248ef393@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:22:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping genres Resent-Message-ID: <"XFLOv.0.aK1.9GYNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:30 PM -0700 6/8/99, Greyseason@aol.com wrote: >Recently, there has been much talk on the list about classifying loop music, >John Cage, etc. I started to think about a genre of music where looping is a >common practice: Hip-Hop. I have not seen rap music discussed on the list >and I was wondering what everyone thought. I think it is pretty safe to say >that everybody on this list is into looping. What does everyone think of >hip-hop? I started to think about it this morning while listening to "It Was >A Good Day" by Ice Cube. I thought to myself: "That is a great little guitar >loop." I quickly realized why I like rap so much (other than for those fun >rhymes and phat beats). I'm just curious. Hey, kinda busy but I wanted to pop up and say "right on" here! I've loved hip hop for years, it's a big part of why I got interested in looping. I remember listening to "planet rock" on the AM radio when I was a kid, and later Public Enemy blew my mind. The groove loops those guys created were just amazing, I couldn't get "don't believe the hype" out of my head for days after I first heard it....it still gives me goose bumps. I haven't been following hip hop much the past few years, other than some of the more adventurous dj/turntablists. I really like Qbert's "wave twisters" album. Mix Master Mike's album was alright too. And the Automator on the Dr. Octagon album from last year, wow.... anyway, yeah, hip hop is the genre that has really brought this loop oriented music into the popular conscious. It's not necessarily the stuff everybody does, musically, but I think there is a whole generation of people now who won't be sitting there saying "dude, his fingers aren't moving...." kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 07:55:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id HAA02025; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 07:55:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 07:55:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906091040.MAA01931@logatome.micronet.fr> X-Sender: plionnet@mail.francenet.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:39:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Pierre LIONNET Subject: Loops and Hip Hop (was Looping genres) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"38nJ5.0.ny5.qKaNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been an avid list reader but would never have dared a contribution cuz I felt so worthless. What I like in this list is the high intellectual approach and the numerous references to musicians I highly praise (but would never dare comparing myself to) such as JohnCage and mostly Frank Zappa (I was 15 when I saw that Zapa was touring Italy with three gigs planned in Rome, I bought a ticket for the first concert three weeks in advance and all my monthly allowance went into it, then I heard on the radion that FZ announced the three dates in Rome to be three distinct concerts... I invested my monthly allowance of thge two following months to buy two more tickets: the experience was absolutely enthrancing, probbaly the richest musical experience I had in my life - well I was 15 you know...). Nevertheless I never knew, not being a musician myself, that these musicians made extensive use of looping gear and techniques. This is Off topic, I'm sorry, it's a reminiscence. All this to say that I came to loping BECAUSE of hip hop. I used to listen to hip hop music a lot (in France, where I live now, the Hip hop scene is really big thus you have choice and variety and also QUALITY) and gradualy got my ear used to the sampling approach and the loops used to catch most of my attention. This is when I got myself a sampler (an Akai s20) and a sequencer to produce those loops and started creating music very hip hop oriented. What I like is the raw essentilalness (is this english?) of the old school hip hop bands but I also appreciate the fullness and richness of some underground bands. For those who are not into hip hop but who'd ike to introduce themselves to it I would suggets those better than average records: First and foremost: House of Pain (2 albums: *same as it ever was* and *shamrocks and sheningans*) here you'll hear DJ Muggs (from Cypress Hill) cutting and looping in the most essential way: sometimes songs are built upon 2 (when not one!) samples of a duration less than 2 secs. This is a true exploit, it's low res. music with high energy packed in. Truly amazing. Then I'd suggest the COMPANY FLOW (one album only) and Total devastation (Legalize It) for their underground approach and their incredible beats, obvious and puzzling (how do they do that?) at the same time. In France one of the best band for the musical part (the flow is not exceptional) is La Fonky Family (album: Si dieu le veut) with loops so full of meaning and feeling... you have to listen to it. bUt then there's a lot more, like 2 Bal 2 NEG, and of course NTM and IAM. Also if you have a chance to see a live Cypress Hill gig: don't hesitate (but bring some weed along...). Sorry if I took much of bandwidth for these maybe irrelevant topics. I grab the occasion to tell you how much reading the posts on this list has brought to me and expanded my horizon (and hope it will continue). Thanks you all. and Peace. PiR (aka FreezerMan) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 08:58:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id IAA11480; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:58:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:58:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375E1729.5D22B984@texas.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 07:26:34 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cd sale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rjAf81.0.uR1.vpbNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'm interested in seeing that list. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 10:43:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id KAA31396; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:43:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:43:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906091349.JAA03520@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Floss...snicker,snicker, Might I inject some irony? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:46:37 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QcXfM1.0._-4.n4dNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Post-Modern music and dental floss I'm shocked nobody has mentioned Zappa's > use of floss as a (well, how should I phrase this text in order to get it on > If anyone wants to dig deeper into absurd Zappa scholar theories such as; > Don't Eat the Yellow Snow and King Lear, or Montana and Freud, read "The > Negative Dialectics of Poodle Play". This dissertation gone wrong is an > Hegelian/Marxist critique of Zappa's life and canon that makes a genuine hey... all this zappa talk makes we wanna remind you all.. i'm starting 12 shows tonight - performing the music of Frank Zappa- with longtime band member - Ike Willis!! details at the site>>> peace,hope to meet some loopers -andre' > ON TOUR Jun 9-20 Project Object with IKE WILLIS performing the MUSIC of FRANK ZAPPA details>> http://projectobject.com http://www.monmouth.com/~andre more Band Info, Articles, Health Links JFK's LSD UFO and HIDDEN AGENDA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 10:50:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id KAA25520; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:14:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:14:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906091343.JAA29630@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: John Cage recordings and what's in a name... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:40:48 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YKC6n1.0.Ai4.o-cNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does anyone here know there's a character on 'ally mcbeal' TV show named John Cage??? really weird, funny guy, who's kinda loopy, actually such a unique name - i wonder if the writers are hip to the other one??? andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 10:17:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id KAA26203; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:17:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:17:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <6891eb58.248fcb84@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:52:04 EDT Subject: Re: OPCODE & The EDP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"qntq2.0.985.F7dNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, Was ist ist Was nicht ist ist moglich? I thought that Opcode was to be handling the Oberheim product line since Oberheim has been "sacked" by Gibson... Any news as to whether they are simply not handling the EDP because they are not going to keep it's name and give it a new one? I remember that we were chatting about this in the past... Guess Opcode'll let us know in due (way too late) time, like normal. Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 11:24:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id LAA07872; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:24:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:24:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <7caa515d.248fd078@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:13:12 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #228 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"4bPh73.0.aF6.ORdNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, Pretty much I keep my discs in alphabetical order by the Artist, rather than try to sub-catagorize what's going on within the small collection, ... hey, I'm just down to 1500 discs now! Movie music and tributes are the only ones that I tend to move around a little bit, mostly it matters for me if I have more of that artist's work, if it was various people, or an anime series, which tends to have LOTS of disks to it, check out the series "Tenchi Muyo," to see what I mean on that one. Have to say that with places like Tower Records out there it does make things a bit on the interesting side to try and suss out if they are out of a disc or if I am simply looking in the wrong area... "Tangerine Dream" was a great example, as I seriously doubt that anyone would classify their earlier albums as "New Age." Then we can start talking about groups who go to other countries to press their discs, because of a lack-o interest here in the 'States. All in all, it is a matter of sussing out what works best for you at home and then trying to apply that knowledge with the retail folks, eh? Back to yutzing around with the 2100... Tchau, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 12:53:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id MAA26346; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:53:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:53:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375E91BC.72EE@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 09:09:34 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? References: <000001beb24b$6effc5e0$2f1ed1d1@electra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aoXi11.0.J93.nqeNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I must say I'm with Javier on this one.And,one only needs to look towards the traditions of Kashmir Shavism,Sufism and Tantric Buddhism for more"collective"reasoning on the subject.Sound IS physical.The universe is a collection of interpenatrating vibrations creating a fabric of form and light over a vast plane of emptiness.Music is a reflection of this ongoing creation,and it IS this ongoing creation. The architecture of Music exists entirely in the listeners consciousness and body.The architecture of the body is also an ordered collection of vibrations.And when the music has once again returned to silence as it's dominant vibration.It's vibrations still working on our nervous system as part of an ongoing evolution.(I hold silence as all sounds implicitly,thats why it supports all sounds and appearance. I dislike the term "altered state" because the ego with all it's agendas,sociatal conditioing ,efforts at self definition,etc,etc.is more of a alteration of reality then the attitudes of openess and creativity that we can find when looping.(and other forms of reality testing). I think drugs are a way of turning up the volume but not nessessarily the content. The "cosmic radio"is always playing.Most of our efforts are spent deciding which channel is the "REAL" one. PEACE kungha From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 12:56:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id MAA27035; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:56:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:56:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Daniel Orlansky'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: OPCODE & The EDP Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:23:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"l50OI1.0.B-1.OTeNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I spoke with Customer Service at OPCODE on Tuesday evening (Boston time). I was told by OPCODE Customer Service that they do not carry the EDP. At this time, there can be many reasons why they're saying this. We cannot hope to guess at the internal politics. However, one reason could very well be because don't want to carry the EDP / will not be carrying the EDP afterall. I think it's time to start at the top, and talk to people at Gibson. David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Orlansky [mailto:orlans@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OPCODE & The EDP ---------- >From: David Kirkdorffer >To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" >Subject: OPCODE & The EDP >Date: Mon, Jun 7, 1999, 7:50 PM > >My friend Daniel Orlansky tells me he received an e-mail from OPCODE saying >they are not handling the EDP. Interesting, no? > >Daniel, could you please send us a copy of the e-mail you received so we can >all see it? > >David K > > >Sorry, but I deleted the e-mail David. What it said in response to my query >about EDP >availability, in capital letters, was "OPCODE DOES NOT CARRY THIS PRODUCT." > >If Opcode is supposed to handle future EDP distribution, I urge everyone to >beseige >Opcode with requests for the EDP distribution, as David urged in a previous >e-mail!!! > > >Their e-mail address is: htpp://www.opcode.com/forms/feedback.html. Use >their form to >send an e-mail to customer service. > >I mean, let's get the message across: we want the EDP! > >Daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 14:04:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id OAA08357; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:04:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:04:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:17:21 -0700 Message-ID: <001CA953.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: OPCODE & The EDP To: "'Daniel Orlansky'" , David Kirkdorffer Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, mayers@gibson.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"OP64R1.0.Oh7.-AgNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all... It's my belief that ANY company isn't going to say they carry a product which they haven't put into production. There's a product move taking place... you're not getting any new EDP's from their production source until they're finished relocating and back in production mode. You'll either have to find one used, or on a shelf at a store somewhere, cause none are shipping. Hassling Opcode customer service is probably going to have a negative effect if any... Michael Ayers with Gibson customer service was the contact for my recent EDP repair, and he mentioned the move to Opcode. You can reach him at 1-800-444-2766, extension 382. He may be receptive to questions concerning future availability of the EDP... (Michael: Sorry about sending the swarming hordes your way, but it's Gibson's own fault for not somehow communicating with their KNOWN customer network... Loopers Delight included... you guys should keep in touch here!) -m ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: OPCODE & The EDP Author: David Kirkdorffer at INTERNET Date: 6/9/99 12:55 PM I spoke with Customer Service at OPCODE on Tuesday evening (Boston time). I was told by OPCODE Customer Service that they do not carry the EDP. At this time, there can be many reasons why they're saying this. We cannot hope to guess at the internal politics. However, one reason could very well be because don't want to carry the EDP / will not be carrying the EDP afterall. I think it's time to start at the top, and talk to people at Gibson. David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Orlansky [mailto:orlans@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OPCODE & The EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 14:04:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id OAA08366; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:04:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:04:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375E9BD8.38C01DFC@uswest.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 10:52:40 -0600 From: "James Lanpheer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-USWC0720 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #228 References: <7caa515d.248fd078@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G6vqi3.0.RP6.olfNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WHO CARES how stores classify music? Browsing for CD's is (for me) one of life's simple pleasures. I don't mind stores classifying their CD's. It keeps me from actually having to accidently browse thru any "new country" cds! lol. Same thing with toodling around a bookstore. I could (and often do) spend hours at a time in either place... JMHO, Jim. Phaedebk@aol.com wrote: > Dear all, > > Pretty much I keep my discs in alphabetical order by the Artist, > rather than try to sub-catagorize what's going on within the small > collection, ... hey, I'm just down to 1500 discs now! Movie music and > tributes are the only ones that I tend to move around a little bit, mostly it > matters for me if I have more of that artist's work, if it was various > people, or an anime series, which tends to have LOTS of disks to it, check > out the series "Tenchi Muyo," to see what I mean on that one. > > Have to say that with places like Tower Records out there it does > make things a bit on the interesting side to try and suss out if they are out > of a disc or if I am simply looking in the wrong area... "Tangerine Dream" > was a great example, as I seriously doubt that anyone would classify their > earlier albums as "New Age." Then we can start talking about groups who go > to other countries to press their discs, because of a lack-o interest here in > the 'States. > > All in all, it is a matter of sussing out what works best for you at > home and then trying to apply that knowledge with the retail folks, eh? > > Back to yutzing around with the 2100... > Tchau, > > Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 15:24:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id PAA25635; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:24:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:24:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01b101beb2a0$43195e00$332310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Mark Sottilaro" , Subject: Re: I am loopy Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:54:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"0uZx1.0.621.jWgNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 2:07 AM Subject: I am loopy >What ever happened to good o'l psychedelic drug usage? > This is an oxymoron in our culture. Anyone who has experienced psychedelic drug usage (and I would refer to the strong, clean hallucinogens like LSD or organics like peyote or mescaline, not PCP or "Angel Dust" which are far worse) would either realize that such states are incompatible with creative functioning, or moved on to other substances, probably for their abusive qualities (and therefore either be dead and incapable of referring to anything as "old" or be so useless as to be far away from this discussion) or not realized the extent of their own mental dullness and consequently miss the misplacement of the apostrophe in "ol'" (not o'l) or spend inordinate amounts of time writing run-on sentences to loop-based newsgroups. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 16:31:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id QAA08317; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:31:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:31:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990609191505.18742.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.12.239] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: The Effects Of Looping...Mr Crushers' time warp effects unit Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:15:03 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ta6oU.0.Yq5.XrhNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmmmm. I'm not sure what to say. I like the idea - love the idea - that by creating loops I can somehow alter time...but..I have no actual physical evidence of this. I know about "missing time" because I have had many experiences with it, but how can I measure the effect of soundscaping on time? And does this only effect time with in ear shot of the loop? Or what. I'm not convinced. BUT...I am open to the idea. MORE DATA NEEDED!! I tend to think that our "western" idea of time is just some man made thing that really has little more purpose than to coordinate "where" we are in the sea of eternity. Its a perception like lines on a map. I cross a certain point and I'm in the USA, my health care doesn't work and I can buy a handgun. Nothing physically has changed its just that I'd no longer be in Canada. I think our idea of time is similar. For most its just a way of knowing when to be at work, and how long to be there for. Are there any aboriginals Looping? What would that take on this topic be?? As for not always being here...my day-job boss complains about that aspect of me continuously... Lorne Thomson Toronto, Canada >From: "Javier Miranda V." >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: RE: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? >Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:41:06 -0700 > > I'm saying it is "indeed a physical phenomena." What is time? What is >reality? We know from A. Einstein, may he rest in peace, even if we don't >fully understand, that time is different whether you're standing still or >moving at very fast speeds. Just what does it mean to move "close to the >speed of light"? Can't our spirits fly out at the speed of light and come >back? I've heard too many stories about people who die and float away from >their bodies, listen to conversations going on in other rooms, etc., and >come back to their bodies because it's "not their time." I've also heard >too many folkloric stories about holy or otherwise blessed men who "leave >their bodies" and travel to other places, whatever. I hold that when we >loop and get attuned to this dimensional door, we actually enter another >level of existence and therefore time is physically different for us during >those periods. You can wait as long as you want for "science" to catch up >and offer some "real" proof for this, but my experience is good enough for >me. I hold that your experience ought to be good enough for you. We at >Loopers' Delight know what I'm talking about — the "zone," "trance," >"meditation," whatever you want to call it. When we come to, we know we've >been gone and have just come back. I've known for a long time that looping >is more than just trying to exploit the most I can from my cheap and >not-so-cheap electronic equipment, that music is more than mere organized >sounds. > And tea helps, especially when spiked with something. Somebody just >mentioned the drugs, good old drugs. Our minds (spirits) are more than >mere >brains flashing biochemical signals. The sum of the molecules doesn't add >up to the product. Some of us loopers are here only part time. OK, back >to >looping. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: ld thomson [mailto:heatshrink@hotmail.com] > | Sent: Tuesday 08 June 1999 6:55 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: RE: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? > | > | > | Hey, now are you saying it is a PHYSICAL effect or a preceived effect? > | >I am also drug-free, but can attest to time warps during > | soundscaping. > | >This > | >is indeed a physical phenomena, and applaud Thomson's bringing > | it up. Pass > | >the tea, please. > | > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 16:44:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id QAA11323; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:44:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:44:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01c401beb2b4$c23408c0$7400a8c0@ws103> Reply-To: "Trevor Hartsell" From: "Trevor Hartsell" To: References: <19990609192040.49410.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: New to the list Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:15:02 -0700 Organization: http://www.introvert.org/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"wkmEe3.0.A91.fjiNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What is a reasonable price for the D12? I see it at zzounds for $199 (http://www.zzounds.com/ilove.music?command=search&db=zZounds.db&eqskudata=D ODDIM12&z=454145328818&view=Search). And an unrelated question... I'm just recently getting into looping and effects, and have purchased a few effects pedals that I'm running various instruments (SH-101, a shitty bass guitar, AM radio, microphone) through. Right now I am short on patch cabels, so it's basically a straightforward sequential chain of effects... but I plan on picking up some more cabels at Radio Shack today, and was going to do a bit of experimenting with the setup. I have a Boss PS-2 pitch shifter/delay pedal as the last effect in the chain. I'm thinking of splitting the output of it so it goes not only to the amp, but also back into itself (or the beginning of the effect chain) so it creates an infinite loop. When the delay is set to 2000ms, then, I should hear a pretty loud feedback after playing a sound and waiting for a few 2000ms increments, right? I dunno for sure; I guess I'll just wait and see. Looking forward to further experimentation, Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: ld thomson To: Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 12:20 PM Subject: Re: New to the list > Hey Canuck. > Where abouts in Canada are you? > As for devices...I love the DOD Dimension 12. 12 seconds of sound on sound > looping madness. and at Steve's music for a reasonable price. > > Lorne Thomson > Toronto, Canada > > >From: d a v e > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" > >Subject: New to the list > >Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 08:55:24 -0500 > > > >Hi All, > > > >I just subbed yesterday after visiting the Looper's Delight website for > >the first time. I had heard of it before but never actually visited. > > > >A little bit about myself: > >I'm 30. male and I live in Canada. I have a dream job in a New Media > >studio as a graphic/sound designer where I can indulge, to a large > >extent, my whims and get paid for it. I've been creating music on the > >side for years now which is a > >techno/industrial/ambient/breakcore/experimental mix. I joined this list > >because I want to introduce loops/drones into my repertoire. > > > >Of the tools of the trade listed on the loop site what would be the top > >recommendation in the "bang for buck" category? I want to spend under > >$300 for now and upgrade sometime in the next six months. I will be > >building an analogue modular synth system over the winter and perhaps > >this will prevent me from spending to freely so I will have some extra > >cash to throw at a better looping tool. All I have now is a Boss SP-202. > > > >dave > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 16:47:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id QAA11927; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:47:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:47:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990609192040.49410.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.12.239] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to the list Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:20:39 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"DavQg3.0.hN6.q_hNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Canuck. Where abouts in Canada are you? As for devices...I love the DOD Dimension 12. 12 seconds of sound on sound looping madness. and at Steve's music for a reasonable price. Lorne Thomson Toronto, Canada >From: d a v e >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" >Subject: New to the list >Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 08:55:24 -0500 > >Hi All, > >I just subbed yesterday after visiting the Looper's Delight website for >the first time. I had heard of it before but never actually visited. > >A little bit about myself: >I'm 30. male and I live in Canada. I have a dream job in a New Media >studio as a graphic/sound designer where I can indulge, to a large >extent, my whims and get paid for it. I've been creating music on the >side for years now which is a >techno/industrial/ambient/breakcore/experimental mix. I joined this list >because I want to introduce loops/drones into my repertoire. > >Of the tools of the trade listed on the loop site what would be the top >recommendation in the "bang for buck" category? I want to spend under >$300 for now and upgrade sometime in the next six months. I will be >building an analogue modular synth system over the winter and perhaps >this will prevent me from spending to freely so I will have some extra >cash to throw at a better looping tool. All I have now is a Boss SP-202. > >dave > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 17:04:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id RAA15624; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:04:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:04:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990609193022.56318.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.12.239] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OUCH! Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:30:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"fGvPz1.0.3d6.s3iNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "Mark Sottilaro" , > >Subject: Re: I am loopy >Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:54:57 -0400 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Sottilaro >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 2:07 AM >Subject: I am loopy > > > >What ever happened to good o'l psychedelic drug usage? > > >This is an oxymoron in our culture. Anyone who has experienced psychedelic >drug usage (and I would refer to the strong, clean hallucinogens like LSD >or >organics like peyote or mescaline, not PCP or "Angel Dust" which are far >worse) would either realize that such states are incompatible with creative >functioning, or moved on to other substances, probably for their abusive >qualities (and therefore either be dead and incapable of referring to >anything as "old" or be so useless as to be far away from this discussion) >or not realized the extent of their own mental dullness and consequently >miss the misplacement of the apostrophe in "ol'" (not o'l) or spend >inordinate amounts of time writing run-on sentences to loop-based >newsgroups. > > wow. Don't mess with Mark. I have to say i agree though. I live in a large city. I can see the effects of all these "mind freeing" substances everytime I walk home from work. People who could potentially be doing something other than laying in their own filth and trying to bum change from me. People who made very poor life style choices in the 1970's. Its brutal. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 17:33:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id RAA22230; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:33:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:33:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:03:12 -0700 Message-ID: <001CAC71.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Time stretching, Drugs and Mr. Baldwin.. To: "K. Douglas Baldwin" , loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"YJY7-1.0.vp.BeiNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Mr. Baldwin, I'd prefer a one line sentence with a typo, to your self-rightous rhetoric anyday... Your comment about the dullness and probable migration to more "abusive" substances only point to your need to insult your intended audience (I guess Mark, or anyone else referring to drugs). Your inferences concerning perceived states of "dullness" or consciousness are also mean spirited, self-righteous and serve no common good in this newsgroup. These drug related comments began with good humor, referencing a thread concerning perceptions of time while practicing our looping craft. Believe me... I guess you've pounded the last nail into that particular thread for us... -Miko Biffle Mark Sottilaro wrote... >>What ever happened to good o'l psychedelic drug usage? K. Douglas Baldwin replies... > This is an oxymoron in our culture. Anyone who has experienced psychedelic > drug usage (and I would refer to the strong, clean hallucinogens like LSD or > organics like peyote or mescaline, not PCP or "Angel Dust" which are far > worse) would either realize that such states are incompatible with creative > functioning, or moved on to other substances, probably for their abusive > qualities (and therefore either be dead and incapable of referring to > anything as "old" or be so useless as to be far away from this discussion) > or not realized the extent of their own mental dullness and consequently > miss the misplacement of the apostrophe in "ol'" (not o'l) or spend > inordinate amounts of time writing run-on sentences to loop-based > newsgroups. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 19:21:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id TAA11229; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:21:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:21:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375EEF53.898E29D2@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:48:51 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I am loopy References: <01b101beb2a0$43195e00$332310ac@Douglas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"u3AWq.0.eO1.F0lNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 2:07 AM > Subject: I am loopy > > >What ever happened to good o'l psychedelic drug usage? > > > Anyone who has experienced psychedelic > drug usage (and I would refer to the strong, clean hallucinogens like LSD or > organics like peyote or mescaline, not PCP or "Angel Dust" which are far > worse) would either realize that such states are incompatible with creative > functioning, or moved on to other substances, probably for their abusive > qualities (and therefore either be dead and incapable of referring to > anything as "old" or be so useless as to be far away from this discussion) > or not realized the extent of their own mental dullness and consequently > miss the misplacement of the apostrophe in "ol'" (not o'l) or spend > inordinate amounts of time writing run-on sentences to loop-based > newsgroups. Wow, talk about a run on sentence. And by the way this is a mailing list and not a newsgroup where people attack a simple comment like that. sincerly, jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 19:30:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id TAA12922; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:30:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:30:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:18:20 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001CA953.C21407@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re[2]: OPCODE & The EDP Resent-Message-ID: <"C9dGA2.0.kb4.zejNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Hello all... > > It's my belief that ANY company isn't going to say they carry a > product which they haven't put into production. lest we forget: VAPORWARE..........;-) - chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 20:22:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id UAA22201; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:22:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:22:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:47:28 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Ibanez DML-10 Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199906091847_MC2-78D8-7F0C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Cm5HI.0.cF1.mykNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com " Using the modulation width control with a = delay line allows you to create pitch cascades that sweep as designated b= y = the mod. rate knob. This creates some hands free havoc, but if you start= = tweaking the knobs while all this is going on it gets supernatural. The = pitch range is great but its strength is on the low side were it gets really = deep and resonant (watch those speaker cones)." -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- ..sounds like the 'deep modulation' effect in the t.c.2290 I had mentione= d the other day From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 21:17:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id VAA31946; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:17:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:17:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375EB7CB.64A81268@magi.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:51:58 +0000 From: David Pattee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to the list References: <19990609192040.49410.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nt_OT1.0.eJ1.t-kNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm in Ottawa. I should check out the Steve's here for a deal on the DOD. The ZOOM seems to be reasonably priced. dave ld thomson wrote: > > Hey Canuck. > Where abouts in Canada are you? > As for devices...I love the DOD Dimension 12. 12 seconds of sound on sound > looping madness. and at Steve's music for a reasonable price. > > Lorne Thomson > Toronto, Canada > > >From: d a v e > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" > >Subject: New to the list > >Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 08:55:24 -0500 > > > >Hi All, > > > >I just subbed yesterday after visiting the Looper's Delight website for > >the first time. I had heard of it before but never actually visited. > > > >A little bit about myself: > >I'm 30. male and I live in Canada. I have a dream job in a New Media > >studio as a graphic/sound designer where I can indulge, to a large > >extent, my whims and get paid for it. I've been creating music on the > >side for years now which is a > >techno/industrial/ambient/breakcore/experimental mix. I joined this list > >because I want to introduce loops/drones into my repertoire. > > > >Of the tools of the trade listed on the loop site what would be the top > >recommendation in the "bang for buck" category? I want to spend under > >$300 for now and upgrade sometime in the next six months. I will be > >building an analogue modular synth system over the winter and perhaps > >this will prevent me from spending to freely so I will have some extra > >cash to throw at a better looping tool. All I have now is a Boss SP-202. > > > >dave > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- "In the end, there is no sense in faulting a poem because it fails as a sculpture." --Clement Mok-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 21:30:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id VAA02139; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:30:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:30:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:34:21 -0700 Message-ID: <001CAFCB.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[3]: OPCODE & The EDP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Chris Chovit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"RDg1X3.0.6f3.kilNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Umm... good point Chris. I'm not so sure Gibson's up to that big a leap. That's why they have guys like Kim and Aurisis and Opcode to do the hacking for them... -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re[2]: OPCODE & The EDP Author: Chris Chovit at INTERNET Date: 6/9/99 7:29 PM > Hello all... > > It's my belief that ANY company isn't going to say they carry a > product which they haven't put into production. lest we forget: VAPORWARE..........;-) - chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 21:32:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id VAA02499; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:32:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:32:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906100043.TAA06385@supermail.globaldialog.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 19:38:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Time stretching, Drugs and Mr. Baldwin.. From: "Mike" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2DhQB1.0.pL6.VemNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You're absolutely right about this...it's hard to even tie yr shoes while yr trippin' real hard....but...it's how you _reflect_ on what's happened to you afterward that influences the creativity... Just thought I'd add my two hits on this...even though I'd prefer three... ;-) ---------- >From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) >To: "K. Douglas Baldwin" , loopers-delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Time stretching, Drugs and Mr. Baldwin.. >Date: Wed, Jun 9, 1999, 3:03 PM > >such states are incompatible with creative >> functioning, or moved on to other substances From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 22:04:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id WAA08448; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:04:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:04:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: EDP -- Group Buy II Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:45:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"eSzVB.0.ie.UnkNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I cannot think of a better way to stimulate GIBSON into EDP production than a long list of profitable orders waiting to be fulfilled. With that in mind, I'm starting a list of people who really want to buy a NEW EDP. This list will be submitted to whoever picks up the production of the EDP. Clearly we can't KNOW the price of the unit at this time, so please assume it will be in the same $650-$700 range as before. I will NOT be accepting any money. I will not be a middleman. BUT, I WILL make sure this list is in the hands of people who can get the EDP produced again. I am providing two forms: A. "ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITED TO BUY AN EDP IF I CAN FIND ONE" ORDERS FORM B. "ONLY 99% OR LESS COMMITED" ORDERS FORM If you are ABSOLUTELY COMMITED and seriously want to buy an EDP, then use FORM A. If you're on the fence or uncommitted to paying $650-$700 for an NEW EDP, then use FORM B. KIM -- would you feel it is appropriate to post this form to the LD web-site? David Kirkdorffer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- FORM A A. "ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITED TO BUY AN EDP IF I CAN FIND ONE" ORDERS FORM Please provide the following details in the following format: A. NAME: A. MAILING ADDRESS: A. DAY PHONE: A. NIGHT PHONE: A. E-MAIL: A. NUMBER OF EDP'S YOU WANT TO ORDER: A. DATE YOU SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO GROUP BUY II: A. HOW MANY EDP'S DO YOU ALREADY OWN? A. DO YOU ALREADY OWN ANOTHER "LOOPER"? A. WHAT INSTRUMENT(S) DO YOU PLAY? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- FORM B B. "ONLY 99% OR LESS COMMITED" ORDERS FORM Please provide the following details in the following format: B. NAME: B. MAILING ADDRESS: B. DAY PHONE: B. NIGHT PHONE: B. E-MAIL: B. NUMBER OF EDP'S YOU WANT TO ORDER: B. DATE YOU SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO GROUP BUY II: B. HOW MANY EDP'S DO YOU ALREADY OWN? B. DO YOU ALREADY OWN ANOTHER "LOOPER"? B. WHAT INSTRUMENT(S) DO YOU PLAY? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 22:47:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id WAA17248; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:47:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:47:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: lance.arrendale@McKesson.com To: " - (052)Loopers-Delight(a)annihilist.com" Subject: Fwd:Time stretching, Drugs and Mr. Baldwin.. Message-ID: <0011700006649574000002L042*@MHS> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:00:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"k23h42.0.IL7.r-mNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As long as we're still on the subject...I would like to add that many of my "creative" counterparts all have six figure incomes. I assure you that neither these graduates nor I sleep in our own respective pukes. la ____________________Forward Header_____________________ Subject: Time stretching, Drugs and Mr. Baldwin.. Author: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Date: 6/9/99 8:03 PM Dear Mr. Baldwin, I'd prefer a one line sentence with a typo, to your self-rightous rhetoric anyday... Your comment about the dullness and probable migration to more "abusive" substances only point to your need to insult your intended audience (I guess Mark, or anyone else referring to drugs). Your inferences concerning perceived states of "dullness" or consciousness are also mean spirited, self-righteous and serve no common good in this newsgroup. These drug related comments began with good humor, referencing a thread concerning perceptions of time while practicing our looping craft. Believe me... I guess you've pounded the last nail into that particular thread for us... -Miko Biffle Mark Sottilaro wrote... >>What ever happened to good o'l psychedelic drug usage? K. Douglas Baldwin replies... > This is an oxymoron in our culture. Anyone who has experienced psychedelic > drug usage (and I would refer to the strong, clean hallucinogens like LSD or > organics like peyote or mescaline, not PCP or "Angel Dust" which are far > worse) would either realize that such states are incompatible with creative > functioning, or moved on to other substances, probably for their abusive > qualities (and therefore either be dead and incapable of referring to > anything as "old" or be so useless as to be far away from this discussion) > or not realized the extent of their own mental dullness and consequently > miss the misplacement of the apostrophe in "ol'" (not o'l) or spend > inordinate amounts of time writing run-on sentences to loop-based > newsgroups. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 22:31:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id WAA13970; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:31:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:31:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990610003702.27221.rocketmail@web105.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:37:02 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: cd sale To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"0X6Rm.0.O36.uYmNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com please send me the list. permadan@yahoo.com --- Hans Stoeve wrote: > I have a couple of hundred cd's I'm selling. Lots of > ECM, ambient and > experimental. Prices range from Australian 13 > onwards not including > postage. If you buy four or more I'll pay for the > postage. If interested e > mail me and I'll send you the list. Sorry about any > cross postings. > > Best wishes > > Hans Stoeve > c/o Power Spot 89.7FM > Sydney, Australia > > http://www.users.bigpond.com/nadabrahma > reviews / interviews / cd's for sale / the ultimate > Jon Hassell webpage > > subscribe to the Jon Hassell discussion group > http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/powerspot > subscribe to the Extreme discussion group > http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/extrememusic > > > > We always welcome new material for review and > airplay. If interested > > please forward on to: > > 3 / 12 Murdoch St > Cremorne NSW 2090 > > *** the further one goes > the less one knows *** > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 22:30:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id WAA13619; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:30:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:30:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008301beb2d8$255ec340$f3944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: , "K. Douglas Baldwin" Subject: Re: Time stretching, Drugs and Mr. Baldwin.. Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:28:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"u3d-61.0.Ya5.jNmNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Whoa -- Lighten up, everybody! Did no one else get the tongue-in-cheek, self-effacing humor of the "inordinate amounts of time writing run-on sentences" ? I.e., the entire response was just that? James -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle To: K. Douglas Baldwin ; loopers-delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 6:18 PM Subject: Time stretching, Drugs and Mr. Baldwin.. > Dear Mr. Baldwin, > > I'd prefer a one line sentence with a typo, to your self-rightous > rhetoric anyday... > > Your comment about the dullness and probable migration to more > "abusive" substances only point to your need to insult your intended > audience (I guess Mark, or anyone else referring to drugs). Your > inferences concerning perceived states of "dullness" or consciousness > are also mean spirited, self-righteous and serve no common good in > this newsgroup. > > These drug related comments began with good humor, referencing a > thread concerning perceptions of time while practicing our looping > craft. Believe me... I guess you've pounded the last nail into that > particular thread for us... > > -Miko Biffle > >Mark Sottilaro wrote... >>>What ever happened to good o'l psychedelic drug usage? > >K. Douglas Baldwin replies... >> This is an oxymoron in our culture. Anyone who has experienced psychedelic >> drug usage (and I would refer to the strong, clean hallucinogens like LSD or >> organics like peyote or mescaline, not PCP or "Angel Dust" which are far >> worse) would either realize that such states are incompatible with creative >> functioning, or moved on to other substances, probably for their abusive >> qualities (and therefore either be dead and incapable of referring to >> anything as "old" or be so useless as to be far away from this discussion) >> or not realized the extent of their own mental dullness and consequently >> miss the misplacement of the apostrophe in "ol'" (not o'l) or spend >> inordinate amounts of time writing run-on sentences to loop-based >> newsgroups. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 23:14:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id XAA22224; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:14:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:14:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00be01beb2e1$47922b60$6972d6d1@jennil> From: "Jenni Leeds" To: "scott kungha drengsen" , Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:32:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"pvmCQ2.0.UR.WJnNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There is a good book entitled The Mysticism of Sound and Music by the sufi teacher/musician Hazrat Inayat Khan. I suggest it to those who are into deeper levels of awareness, creations, vibrations, and spirituality. Some of the chapter titiles: Esoteric Music The Music of the Spheres The Mystery of color and sound The Divinity of Indian Music The manifestation of Sound on the Physical sphere The effect of sound on the physical body The influence of music on the character of man Healing Power/Spiritual attainment by music The Magnetism of Beings and Objects The value of repetition and Reflection and much much more...... Aphorisms, prayers and chants, sounds, poetry, and lectures w/ phrases to be repeated...... It's put out by Shambhala Dragon Editions..... Other cool books I've read lately on music are: The nature of Improvisation by Derek Bailey, and Theatre of Mixed Means by Richard Kostelanetz (an old 1968 1st print from my school [MTSU} library) which has insightful interviews with LaMonte Young and John Cage as well as others involved with visual and music mixed media arts. I've heard of a book by AMM's E. Prevost called No Sound Is Innocent which is evidently a vital read on field recording and manipulating found sound. By the way, if you don't know already, the newest Wire mag has a "fun" interview with K. Stockhausen. Knowledge is Power. Oh yeah....I'm patiently waiting to pay off the EDP I have on lay away and then I can get started looping!!! Peace Out. -from Jamie Mash From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 23:30:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id XAA25303; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:30:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:30:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009901beb2e9$1d446be0$7a60aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <199906091343.JAA29630@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: John Cage recordings and what's in a name... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:27:03 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"Juh_M3.0.HW3.tEoNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My kids were just playing a video game they borrowed from their friend. Its that Mortal Combat. As I'm reading these e-mails about John Cage, I hear the video game say "Johnny Cage". It turns out that one of the characters is named Johnny Cage. Too weird. By the way, I'm not sure if I approve of this video game. Lots of violence. Anyhow.... > does anyone here know there's a character on 'ally mcbeal' TV show named > John Cage??? > > > really weird, funny guy, who's kinda loopy, actually > > such a unique name - i wonder if the writers are hip to the other one??? > > > andre' > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 23:29:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id XAA24985; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:29:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:29:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004f01beb2e5$a591c000$7a60aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <19990608135453.42421.qmail@hotmail.com> <375DC77B.B0CD5F99@latrobe.edu.au> <375E04BD.48073C39@mailbox.syr.edu> Subject: Re: I am loopy Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:04:51 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"7wfQx.0.cG2.ytnNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've spent the better part of this decade detoxing from the last. "Good o'l psychedelic drug usage" is quite to contradictory phrase. > What ever happened to good o'l psychedelic drug usage? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 23:51:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id XAA28890; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:51:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:51:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001501beb2e3$9f425f40$7a60aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <5925aff3.248ef393@aol.com> Subject: Re: Looping genres Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:50:23 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"zXprv.0.4X1.1gnNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Actually, my forays into looping have raised my opinion of Hip-Hop. I used to be very snobish towards Rap/Hip Hop but I've come to see common ground between my own musical interests and Hip-Hop artists. I think some of the more innovative production values in the 90's have come from Hip-Hop artist. Dr. Dre has certainly left a distinct sonic mark on current music. I love "Ill Comunication" from Beastie Boys. I have been paying close attention to the local (Bay Area) Hip-Hop scene and have been fascinated by the growing DJ/Turn-Tablist scene. Lots of looping there. From a business point of view, I've been paying close attention to how local Hip-Hop artist release their independent CD's and vinyl. I'm taking notes as I prepare to put together a CD and distribute copies for sale. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 3:30 PM Subject: Looping genres > Recently, there has been much talk on the list about classifying loop music, > John Cage, etc. I started to think about a genre of music where looping is a > common practice: Hip-Hop. I have not seen rap music discussed on the list > and I was wondering what everyone thought. I think it is pretty safe to say > that everybody on this list is into looping. What does everyone think of > hip-hop? I started to think about it this morning while listening to "It Was > A Good Day" by Ice Cube. I thought to myself: "That is a great little guitar > loop." I quickly realized why I like rap so much (other than for those fun > rhymes and phat beats). I'm just curious. > > Sam Paterson > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 9 23:52:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id XAA29132; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:52:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:52:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39ADCF833E74D111A2D700805F1951EF0D23F3AD@RED-MSG-06> From: Greg Meredith To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looping genres Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:00:59 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"UuTFf.0.oz1.jonNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All, i have often thought that music might best be classified in terms of recognizable compositional elements, instead of genres that seem arbitrary. For example, music might be classified in terms of * Rhythmic characteristics (e.g., number of beats per cycle, relationship of beat to pulse) * Tonal characteristics (e.g., number of identifiable intervals between octaves) * Harmonic characteristics (e.g., voices stay centered around a key or mode; number of distinct voices) * Instrumentation * Timbral characteristics * Etc., etc. This kind of classification system would be unambiguous. It is hard to argue whether Brubeck's recording of Take 5 has piano in it or has a dominant motif that has 5 beats per cycle. This is to be contrasted with endless arguments of the form-"no, it's rock! no, it's jazz!" It would provide utilitarian queries which might lead to interesting surprises for people navigating databases of musical offerings. Imagine walking up to a Tower Record service person and saying: "i'm throwing a party. i need some music that's got about 200 bpm with 4 beats per cycle. i want some electric bass and trap set in the instrumentation. i want the music to evolve around a single tonal center." She might point you to a lot more music than the latest techno or jungle releases. --greg -----Original Message----- From: Greyseason@aol.com [SMTP:Greyseason@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 3:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping genres Recently, there has been much talk on the list about classifying loop music, John Cage, etc. I started to think about a genre of music where looping is a common practice: Hip-Hop. I have not seen rap music discussed on the list and I was wondering what everyone thought. I think it is pretty safe to say that everybody on this list is into looping. What does everyone think of hip-hop? I started to think about it this morning while listening to "It Was A Good Day" by Ice Cube. I thought to myself: "That is a great little guitar loop." I quickly realized why I like rap so much (other than for those fun rhymes and phat beats). I'm just curious. Sam Paterson From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 00:45:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id AAA08467; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:45:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:45:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:45:04 EDT Subject: Re: Time stretching, Drugs and Mr. Baldwin.. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"phTMi2.0.Or6.yJpNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << Whoa -- Lighten up, everybody! Did no one else get the tongue-in-cheek, self-effacing humor of the "inordinate amounts of time writing run-on sentences" ? I.e., the entire response was just that? >> Many of my acquaintances who've continued to smoke dope the last few decades don't seem to have much of a sense of humor either anymore. Of course they don't know that. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 01:10:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id BAA12939; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:10:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:10:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:30:37 EDT Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"vkaKM2.0.-C6.H6pNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree with kungha and javier; the state of openness being discussed, is more our natural state than the Aristotelian never-ending classifier, cellphone weilding, steering wheel gripping, gas pedal pushing, horn honking, bill paying sob who has to earn a living and 'don't forget the milk and bread on the way home'... The connection for me in looping music and sounds, is a a desire to return to my natural self (an insignificant speck of harmonically resonant stardust)...and perhaps take a few listeners with me. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 01:04:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id BAA11793; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:04:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:04:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <947dc2cb.249086f5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:11:49 EDT Subject: Re: New to the list To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"s4Pz_3.0.CM5.lqoNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dave, I would easily recommend the Akai Headrush just out. $200 U.S. or a little less. And a decent looping tool. Along with a sampler (which you already have), you'd be in business. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 01:04:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id BAA11820; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:04:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:04:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375F305F.D2572CBF@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 20:29:32 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OUCH! = (t)ouch! References: <19990609193022.56318.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QoCOO.0.zw5.61pNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ld thomson wrote: > I can see the effects of all these "mind freeing" substances > everytime I walk home from work. People who could potentially be doing > something other than laying in their own filth and trying to bum change from > me. People who made very poor life style choices in the 1970's. there's a tendency to throw out the baby with the bathwater when it comes to these kind of discussions. psychedelics aren't "bad" because a lot of people abused (or misused) them. if you look at the patterns of psychedelic drug usage in indigenous cultures throughout the world (and many of these traditions certainly predate what we think of as civilized society (now maybe that can be considered an oxymoron!)), you will find that such drug use has played an extremely vital role in the rituals that connect humans to the web of life in the environment around them. because we have lost the resiliency of a holistic culture that humans have enjoyed over the millenia, finding a place for these "psychic helpers" can be a harrowing experience, leaving many casualties. but a world without psychedelics? horrors! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 01:45:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id BAA18365; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:45:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:45:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <014201beb2f9$b34b2600$7d5bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <19990609193022.56318.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: what's life style? Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:15:35 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"PmFFx.0.gR.CppNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wich is the rich or correct life style this social enviroment offers? Work everyday to sponsor a bunch of politics and militars and all this?...I don't want to hurt anybody, just say that we must be carefull on these kind of coments on drugs and life style. We know we are not doing the same bad choices now? We can't look other's bad trip life like an error...this people want to be happy too and we are not such a good example of happy life style. Sorry, i smoke a joint with my friends an hour ago and i feeling very sensible now : ) drinking mate ( guarani indian's beberage with healthy substitute of cafeine named mateine) very used in my country.Loopers-Delight it's still the best in my mail box...thanks everybody for this daily time of humour and good sense. Julio From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 02:03:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id CAA21166; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 02:03:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 02:03:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375F4B33.C504E0C5@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:20:59 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OUCH! References: <19990609193022.56318.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------53E98549AD26A85844862B2E" Resent-Message-ID: <"zJh9y1.0.zQ.5ppNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------53E98549AD26A85844862B2E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >What ever happened to good o'l psychedelic drug usage? > > > > >This is an oxymoron in our culture. Anyone who has experienced psychedelic > >drug usage (and I would refer to the strong, clean hallucinogens like LSD > >or > >organics like peyote or mescaline, not PCP or "Angel Dust" which are far > >worse) would either realize that such states are incompatible with creative > >functioning, or moved on to other substances, probably for their abusive > >qualities (and therefore either be dead and incapable of referring to > >anything as "old" or be so useless as to be far away from this discussion) > >or not realized the extent of their own mental dullness and consequently > >miss the misplacement of the apostrophe in "ol'" (not o'l) or spend > >inordinate amounts of time writing run-on sentences to loop-based > >newsgroups. > > > > > > wow. Don't mess with Mark. I have to say i agree though. I live in a > large city. I can see the effects of all these "mind freeing" substances > everytime I walk home from work. People who could potentially be doing > something other than laying in their own filth and trying to bum change from > me. People who made very poor life style choices in the 1970's. Its brutal. > > OH MY GOD. Does anyone remember laughter? No need to defend me, kids. I can stand on my own, quite nicely. I just wasn't aware that my grandmother was on the list. First, I'd like to apologize for my misplaced use of the apostrophe in "o'l" You see, ever since that one time... when my brother and I were under the influence of mescaline, listening to the Bulgarian Woman's Choir, and you see we all clearly saw that Nikki's pants had this incredible celtic knot pattern on them, and of course we all came to this conclusion independently (of course) and then we couldn't find the refrigerator... no wait, we couldn't find the refrigerator AND THEN we saw the celtic knot, only I also.... And ever since, I've never been quite able to put the apostrophe in the right place when abbreviating "old." Good thing I'm still able to write concise sentences. Second, the posting was meant to be humorous. It did (as does a lot of humor) have an element of truth, though. I'd be lying if I said that I didn't "partake" in psychedelics during one point of my life. While being past that now, I've never had a regret about anything I've done. Small doses and safe environments have kept me safe. Sure, they'll always be the Jimi Hendrix's, but those people are obviously looking for an exit. There are always exits. This may sound kooky, but I almost never drink alcohol. I believe that alcohol and pot are far, far more evil than mescaline, peyote or good o'l (there is goes again) LSD. So what do you think about shamanic cultures that use psychedelics, or Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band, for that matter? Should we ignore that part of our culture? So, just lay off, OK? Take a chill pill duuuuuuuuuuuuuooooooooooooooode! ;-P Sgt. Mark --------------53E98549AD26A85844862B2E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 

> >What ever happened to good o'l psychedelic drug usage?
> >
>This is an oxymoron in our culture. Anyone who has experienced psychedelic
>drug usage (and I would refer to the strong, clean hallucinogens like LSD 
>or
>organics like peyote or mescaline, not PCP or "Angel Dust" which are far
>worse) would either realize that such states are incompatible with creative
>functioning, or moved on to other substances, probably for their abusive
>qualities (and therefore either be dead and incapable of referring to
>anything as "old" or be so useless as to be far away from this discussion)
>or not realized the extent of their own mental dullness and consequently
>miss the misplacement of the apostrophe in "ol'" (not o'l) or spend
>inordinate amounts of time writing run-on sentences to loop-based
>newsgroups.
>
>

wow.  Don't mess with Mark.  I have to say i agree though.  I live in a 
large city.  I can see the effects of all these "mind freeing" substances 
everytime I walk home from work.  People who could potentially be doing 
something other than laying in their own filth and trying to bum change from 
me.  People who made very poor life style choices in the 1970's. Its brutal.
OH MY GOD.  Does anyone remember laughter?

No need to defend me, kids.  I can stand on my own, quite nicely.  I just wasn't aware that my grandmother was on the list.

First, I'd like to apologize for my misplaced use of the apostrophe in "o'l"  You see, ever since that one time... when my brother and I were under the influence of mescaline, listening to the Bulgarian Woman's Choir, and you see we all clearly saw that Nikki's pants had this incredible celtic knot pattern on them, and of course we all came to this conclusion independently (of course) and then we couldn't find the refrigerator... no wait, we couldn't find the refrigerator AND THEN we saw the celtic knot, only I also....

And ever since, I've never been quite able to put the apostrophe in the right place when abbreviating "old."  Good thing I'm still able to write concise sentences.

Second, the posting was meant to be humorous.  It did (as does a lot of humor) have an element of truth, though.  I'd be lying if I said that I didn't "partake" in psychedelics during one point of my life.  While being past that now, I've never had a regret about anything I've done.  Small doses and safe environments have kept me safe.  Sure, they'll always be the Jimi Hendrix's, but those people are obviously looking for an exit.  There are always exits.  This may sound kooky, but I almost never drink alcohol.  I believe that alcohol and pot are far, far more evil than mescaline, peyote or good o'l (there is goes again) LSD.

So what do you think about shamanic cultures that use psychedelics, or Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band, for that matter?  Should we ignore that part of our culture?

So, just lay off, OK?  Take a chill pill duuuuuuuuuuuuuooooooooooooooode! ;-P

Sgt. Mark --------------53E98549AD26A85844862B2E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 02:44:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id CAA26847; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 02:44:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 02:44:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000901beb307$bedf49c0$9b23dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <947dc2cb.249086f5@aol.com> Subject: 7.6 Time Machines...? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:09:02 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"GAzHL3.0.HO5.AQrNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Over the recent past there've been several folks on this list who were offering up some of these babies - one I recall using the phrase "still in box". As I'm about to actually take a vacation (!) for the next two weeks, it's obviously a goner in the near future - but are any of these still out there? Stephen Goodman * It's the Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 03:20:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id DAA32083; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:20:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:20:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004f01beb303$b96aa380$6122dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <19990609193022.56318.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: OUCH! Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:40:16 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"oDYXZ1.0.wH4.C_qNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If this list is going to become clogged with D.A.R.E. recruits (who continue to get tax dollars for far-reaching, forward-thinking acts like persuading Ralph's Supermarkets not to carry INCENSE when D.A.R.E. does a promotion, and telling your children in school how many beers their parents shouldn't be drinking), count me out. If we can return to a discussion about something musical without retracting into THIS area of severe disinformation, I'll stay. Whatever anyone has to say about drugs' good or bad influences, such will always be a singular-perspective issue, in which only the individual has his or her personal experience to go by. This can never have more than fleeting relevance to the same on the part of others, and it is one of the least understood reasons why one can't use generalizations on the subject, or its users. In short, I pay greater attention to the lumber in my own eye, before pointing out the splinters in everyone elses'. Stephen Goodman * It's the Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 03:13:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id DAA31315; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:13:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:13:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BEB31C.668A7A00.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: offtopic drug discussion Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:32:42 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aSiN01.0.u76.8krNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Anyone who has experienced psychedelic drug usage > (and I would refer to the strong, clean hallucinogens > like LSD or organics like peyote or mescaline > would (...) realize that such states are incompatible > with creative functioning I did some LSD and mushrooms 15 years ago - these trips haven't done any damage as far as I can see, and they clearly belong to the most valuable experiences in my life in terms of creativity and insight. I wouldn't want to miss them. For some people, psychedelic drugs were good, for some, they were bad. Generally, they provide deep experiences and should be treated with respect. So, let's lighten up, and better bury this subject. This is a loop discussion group. * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 06:04:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id GAA20764; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:04:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:04:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375F7FD5.EEEE94AF@sfsu.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 02:05:25 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: John Cage's everywhere References: <199906091343.JAA29630@shell.monmouth.com> <009901beb2e9$1d446be0$7a60aec7@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ROPaY3.0.-J3.t2uNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I guess that John Cage is a common name in the media. It's been coming up in all sorts of places. Did you guys know that there's even a composer named John Cage? :) sorry, I just couldn't resist. Alan Imberg wrote: > My kids were just playing a video game they borrowed from their friend. Its > that Mortal Combat. As I'm reading these e-mails about John Cage, I hear the > video game say "Johnny Cage". It turns out that one of the characters is > named Johnny Cage. Too weird. By the way, I'm not sure if I approve of this > video game. Lots of violence. Anyhow.... > > > does anyone here know there's a character on 'ally mcbeal' TV show named > > John Cage??? > > > > > > really weird, funny guy, who's kinda loopy, actually > > > > such a unique name - i wonder if the writers are hip to the other one??? > > > > > > andre' > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 08:46:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id IAA10021; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:46:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:46:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:03:30 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Of DRUGULA and other chemicals Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"m-7u21.0.Gr.8dwNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My two cents on the drug talk: It was never for me - I was weird enough all by myself...and I was always upset that music I'd hear never quite went far enough in the direction I wanted it to. For instance, when I was 7 or 8: Me: Can you show me where I can find the weird music? Librarian: Huh? Me: Nevermind, I'll find it myself. So consequently I was listening to stuff like Mahavishnu at very early age. It got way worse after that. Drugs would have made me more normal. Ick. I participate in a mountain biking discussion group and there were many varying opinions. Some felt that a true athlete should never do this, and still others felt that they should do it, but keep flammables off the trail for fear of setting the brush on fire, and still others were a bit more open minded. I don't know. It's probably not good to be drooling on oneself when mountain biking lest you go head on into a tree or another rider. At least in music the collisions could produce pretty patterns on tape and not cause injuries. Like the other poster, I've seen friends whose heavy involvement in this resulted in a lot of wasted potential. Others may be able to exercise in moderation. I wouldn't know. Frankly, I'd rather spend my time creating dense, swirling soundscapes. Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 10:21:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id KAA27022; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:21:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:21:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <05f901beb348$3d319770$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:50:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"oBvz71.0.HZ5.9IyNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks, Jamie, for the reading suggestions! I just got the Bailey book on improvisation but haven't read it yet. The loop is: ... --> open eyes --> open ears --> open mind --> open eyes --> ... (etc) Enter loop at any point. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 10:30:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id KAA28972; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:30:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:30:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <066b01beb34a$46f75a40$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:05:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"TFgaa2.0._A6.sVyNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, Bill, that phrase pretty much sums it up! You should put it to song. Something called, perhaps "I Got Dem Aristotelian never-ending classifier, cellphone weilding, steering wheel gripping, gas pedal pushing, horn honking, bill paying sob who has to earn a living and 'don't forget the milk and bread on the way home' Blues Agin, Baby" Just a thought... :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 10:41:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id KAA31387; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:41:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:41:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Daniel Orlansky'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: OPCODE & The EDP Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:17:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"vRVAU2.0.LX6.JcyNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have spoken with a person, in a position to know, at Gibson about the future of the EDP. The short answer is -- don't panic, there is every reason to believe the Echoplex Digital Pro will be produced again this year. I can say no more -- I'm sworn to secrecy. Without revealing details that need to be kept under wraps, and without promising anything to anyone, I can say there are all sorts of issues at play -- BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS THE EDP IS N-O-T DEAD, JUST RESTING... We'll all just have to wait. In the meantime, if you are interested in buying an EDP use the form -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 11:23 AM To: 'Daniel Orlansky'; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: OPCODE & The EDP I spoke with Customer Service at OPCODE on Tuesday evening (Boston time). I was told by OPCODE Customer Service that they do not carry the EDP. At this time, there can be many reasons why they're saying this. We cannot hope to guess at the internal politics. However, one reason could very well be because don't want to carry the EDP / will not be carrying the EDP afterall. I think it's time to start at the top, and talk to people at Gibson. David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Orlansky [mailto:orlans@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OPCODE & The EDP ---------- >From: David Kirkdorffer >To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" >Subject: OPCODE & The EDP >Date: Mon, Jun 7, 1999, 7:50 PM > >My friend Daniel Orlansky tells me he received an e-mail from OPCODE saying >they are not handling the EDP. Interesting, no? > >Daniel, could you please send us a copy of the e-mail you received so we can >all see it? > >David K > > >Sorry, but I deleted the e-mail David. What it said in response to my query >about EDP >availability, in capital letters, was "OPCODE DOES NOT CARRY THIS PRODUCT." > >If Opcode is supposed to handle future EDP distribution, I urge everyone to >beseige >Opcode with requests for the EDP distribution, as David urged in a previous >e-mail!!! > > >Their e-mail address is: htpp://www.opcode.com/forms/feedback.html. Use >their form to >send an e-mail to customer service. > >I mean, let's get the message across: we want the EDP! > >Daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 11:44:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13575; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:44:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:44:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990610145857.57473.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.9.33] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: drug time flame Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:58:56 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"WQmEk2.0.ek.PBzNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If I had know my question about time/soundscaping would have resulted in a flame war about drugs...I wouldn't have ever posted the question. >From: Jeff Duke >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: I am loopy >Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:48:51 -0400 > > > >"K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Sottilaro > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 2:07 AM > > Subject: I am loopy > > > > >What ever happened to good o'l psychedelic drug usage? > > > > > Anyone who has experienced psychedelic > > drug usage (and I would refer to the strong, clean hallucinogens like >LSD or > > organics like peyote or mescaline, not PCP or "Angel Dust" which are far > > worse) would either realize that such states are incompatible with >creative > > functioning, or moved on to other substances, probably for their abusive > > qualities (and therefore either be dead and incapable of referring to > > anything as "old" or be so useless as to be far away from this >discussion) > > or not realized the extent of their own mental dullness and consequently > > miss the misplacement of the apostrophe in "ol'" (not o'l) or spend > > inordinate amounts of time writing run-on sentences to loop-based > > newsgroups. > >Wow, talk about a run on sentence. And by the way this is a mailing list >and not >a newsgroup where people attack a simple comment like that. > >sincerly, >jeff > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 12:04:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17990; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:04:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:04:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375FE774.F0229692@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:27:36 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Drugs+music: Off topic? References: <19990609193022.56318.qmail@hotmail.com> <014201beb2f9$b34b2600$7d5bdfc8@doutor> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EleU01.0.d92.NazNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For all recorded history there are tales of artists and drugs. It seems to be an indelible part of art "lore." Should the list avoid the topic? Some feel uncomfortable with the topic, due to either bad personal experience or bad press, but how can we avoid this topic. The stereotype of the drug addled musician didn't come from nowhere. Back to the Bulgarians... I was actually tripping the first time I heard the Bulgarian Woman's Choir. It made me cry with joy. If I had not been tripping, my emotional response would probably not have been that acute. Why? Internal social "noise" imprinted in most male humans stifles such behavior. What the LSD did was put my "filter" off-line for a while and let it all stream out (in?) with out that little mental traffic cop, I call Mr. Conscious, pointing the way. Now, should I have been able to "go there" without LSD? Of course. But how can one go to a place that one doesn't know exists? The reason I don't do drugs any longer is that they've served their purpose for me. I can get there on my own. Bizarre social constructs block most creative free form thinking. Face it, true artists are few and far between. We should not need to use any substance to access this integral part of ourselves, but we also should not get scolded for "coloring outside the lines." I'm one generation away from a time when nuns beat my father for writing with his left hand. So how does one leapfrog over such social hurdles? I used psychedelics. Now I cry like a baby when I see the episode where Snoopy runs away...has anyone... Oh, sorry. I know I could have gotten to where I am without drugs. That's tough for a boy raised in the land of Malls. But I'm not sorry for wanting to see what inspired I Am The Walrus. Or the Giles, Giles and Fripp album, for that matter. If Robert Fripp wasn't tripping in those days, I'd be amazed. And speaking of our heroes, has anyone listened to Adrian Belew's "1967" on Mr. Music Head? Let's face it: a very large proportion of the music that we listen to was created under the influence of some drug. (I include alcohol in that list.) Why is this? I'd love to hear anyone else's theories. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 12:04:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18009; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:04:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:04:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:20:00 EDT Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"Lczdm3.0.nu1.EVzNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dennis, thought it WAS a song!! Bill ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 12:17:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21093; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:17:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:17:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990610150511.25547.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to the list Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:05:07 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"i_Ygm1.0.CL2.fczNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ottawa, our nation's historic capital. How many seconds delay does the Zoom have? I would imagine there could be some amazing bargins in used music stores/pawn shops in Ottawa. Toronto has two many musicians and things get scooped up pretty fast. >From: David Pattee >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: New to the list >Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:51:58 +0000 > >I'm in Ottawa. I should check out the Steve's here for a deal on the DOD. >The >ZOOM seems to be reasonably priced. > >dave > >ld thomson wrote: > > > > Hey Canuck. > > Where abouts in Canada are you? > > As for devices...I love the DOD Dimension 12. 12 seconds of sound on >sound > > looping madness. and at Steve's music for a reasonable price. > > > > Lorne Thomson > > Toronto, Canada > > > > >From: d a v e > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > >To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" > > >Subject: New to the list > > >Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 08:55:24 -0500 > > > > > >Hi All, > > > > > >I just subbed yesterday after visiting the Looper's Delight website for > > >the first time. I had heard of it before but never actually visited. > > > > > >A little bit about myself: > > >I'm 30. male and I live in Canada. I have a dream job in a New Media > > >studio as a graphic/sound designer where I can indulge, to a large > > >extent, my whims and get paid for it. I've been creating music on the > > >side for years now which is a > > >techno/industrial/ambient/breakcore/experimental mix. I joined this >list > > >because I want to introduce loops/drones into my repertoire. > > > > > >Of the tools of the trade listed on the loop site what would be the top > > >recommendation in the "bang for buck" category? I want to spend under > > >$300 for now and upgrade sometime in the next six months. I will be > > >building an analogue modular synth system over the winter and perhaps > > >this will prevent me from spending to freely so I will have some extra > > >cash to throw at a better looping tool. All I have now is a Boss >SP-202. > > > > > >dave > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >-- >"In the end, there is no sense in faulting a poem because it fails as a >sculpture." > >--Clement Mok-- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 12:40:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id QAA06261; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:22:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:22:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: RE: OPCODE & The EDP Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:52:18 -0700 Message-ID: <004f01beb2a9$33193620$26ee8fd1@linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <199906091843.OAA16395@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"cV6uy3.0.bP4.iShNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Could it also be that customer service are clueless? It would not be a precedent... bIz -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:DKirkdorffer@exapps.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 8:23 AM To: 'Daniel Orlansky'; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: OPCODE & The EDP I spoke with Customer Service at OPCODE on Tuesday evening (Boston time). I was told by OPCODE Customer Service that they do not carry the EDP. At this time, there can be many reasons why they're saying this. We cannot hope to guess at the internal politics. However, one reason could very well be because don't want to carry the EDP / will not be carrying the EDP afterall. I think it's time to start at the top, and talk to people at Gibson. David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Orlansky [mailto:orlans@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OPCODE & The EDP ---------- >From: David Kirkdorffer >To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" >Subject: OPCODE & The EDP >Date: Mon, Jun 7, 1999, 7:50 PM > >My friend Daniel Orlansky tells me he received an e-mail from OPCODE saying >they are not handling the EDP. Interesting, no? > >Daniel, could you please send us a copy of the e-mail you received so we can >all see it? > >David K > > >Sorry, but I deleted the e-mail David. What it said in response to my query >about EDP >availability, in capital letters, was "OPCODE DOES NOT CARRY THIS PRODUCT." > >If Opcode is supposed to handle future EDP distribution, I urge everyone to >beseige >Opcode with requests for the EDP distribution, as David urged in a previous >e-mail!!! > > >Their e-mail address is: htpp://www.opcode.com/forms/feedback.html. Use >their form to >send an e-mail to customer service. > >I mean, let's get the message across: we want the EDP! > >Daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 12:44:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27126; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:44:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:44:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990610114723.0095a530@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:50:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: zzzounds and edp In-Reply-To: <199906092222.SAA32410@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fYv5P.0.h-3.l1-Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Last I checked, zzounds still had the edp in stock. Are they selling an older version, or is there something I don't know about them, since I want to buy one, but everyone seems to always talk as if the edp is never available, whereas it seems to have been in stock there for the last few months. anyone? MT PS: I'm sure as a result of my posting this, they will now sell out before I place my order... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 13:14:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01838; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:14:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:14:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375FE974.BCBD107E@in2win.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:36:04 +0200 From: mark Organization: in2win Interactive Learning Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Drugs+music: Off topic? References: <19990609193022.56318.qmail@hotmail.com> <014201beb2f9$b34b2600$7d5bdfc8@doutor> <375FE774.F0229692@mailbox.syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark.francombe@in2win.com Resent-Message-ID: <"EPnHk3.0.cF6.0c-Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I very much agree with Mark, ...and the fact that what binds us freaks together is the interest in loops, in some bizarre love/interest in repetion/hypnosis, in the making of music and/or sounds that by their very nature produce a trancelike (or mind altered) state. Of course the aim of all music is to produce an emotional response, and the particular response that we loopers are looking for is some shortcut to our unconscious. That said are we not the very same bunch of people who, while not necessarily taking drugs, should embrace and empathise with those artists who do, for they themselves are using drugs to reach a place where their inspiration is pure emotion in a primal way, and therfore continue to push the boundaries of art/music to evermore meaningfull heights. I myself have used drugs on some occasions and have stopped now (mostly) I care a little too much for my health/bank balance and the crappy feeling the next day. There are risks of course, and I suspect that many addict musicians get to that position but taking drugs as a replacement for the adrenalin high that one experiences from playing live, and that is a shame, but inspirational careful non abusive use, I can see many benefits. DOPE TALE #1 I once played a gig completely left handed after taking acid, I didnt do it for some kind of intellectual experiment, I just forgot that I was right handed, the result? Well... I guess you could say that an industrial indie band became kinda... um....jazz? MArk Francombe Red Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > For all recorded history there are tales of artists and drugs. It seems > to be an indelible part of art "lore." Should the list avoid the > topic? Some feel uncomfortable with the topic, due to either bad > personal experience or bad press, but how can we avoid this topic. The > stereotype of the drug addled musician didn't come from nowhere. > > Back to the Bulgarians... I was actually tripping the first time I heard > the Bulgarian Woman's Choir. It made me cry with joy. If I had not > been tripping, my emotional response would probably not have been that > acute. Why? Internal social "noise" imprinted in most male humans > stifles such behavior. What the LSD did was put my "filter" off-line > for a while and let it all stream out (in?) with out that little mental > traffic cop, I call Mr. Conscious, pointing the way. > > Now, should I have been able to "go there" without LSD? Of course. But > how can one go to a place that one doesn't know exists? The reason I > don't do drugs any longer is that they've served their purpose for me. > I can get there on my own. Bizarre social constructs block most > creative free form thinking. Face it, true artists are few and far > between. We should not need to use any substance to access this > integral part of ourselves, but we also should not get scolded for > "coloring outside the lines." I'm one generation away from a time when > nuns beat my father for writing with his left hand. > > So how does one leapfrog over such social hurdles? I used > psychedelics. Now I cry like a baby when I see the episode where Snoopy > runs away...has anyone... Oh, sorry. I know I could have gotten to > where I am without drugs. That's tough for a boy raised in the land of > Malls. But I'm not sorry for wanting to see what inspired I Am The > Walrus. Or the Giles, Giles and Fripp album, for that matter. If > Robert Fripp wasn't tripping in those days, I'd be amazed. And speaking > of our heroes, has anyone listened to Adrian Belew's "1967" on Mr. Music > Head? > > Let's face it: a very large proportion of the music that we listen to > was created under the influence of some drug. (I include alcohol in that > list.) Why is this? I'd love to hear anyone else's theories. > > Mark Sottilaro -- \ -\ --\ ---\ ----\ -----\ ------\ -------\ --------\ ---------\ ----------\ -----------\ ------------\ mark-red-----\ --------------\ ---------------\ work------------\ -----------------\ in2win------------\ -------------------\ multimedia-designer-\ ovre-slottsgate-5----\ 0157-oslo-------------\ tlf.--22-40-29-94------\ fax--22-42-14-24--------\ e-mail--mark@in2win.com--\ web--http-//www.in2win.com\ ---------------------------\ ----------------------------\ personal---------------------\ tlf.-22-43-10-79--------------\ mob.-91-56-99-88---------------\ mark@8day.com-------------------\ christine@8day.com---------------\ ----------------------------------\ -----------------------------------\ redweb------------------------------\ http-//www.8day.com/redweb-----------\ --------------------------------------\ ---------------------------------------\ icq-4531031-----------------------------\ -----------------------------------------\ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 13:13:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01585; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:13:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:13:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:29:13 -0700 Message-ID: <001CB77E.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: Drugs+music: Off topic? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mark Sottilaro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"35_h-2.0.U86.ba-Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Author: Mark Sottilaro at INTERNET > For all recorded history there are tales of artists and drugs. It seems to be > an indelible part of art "lore." Should the list avoid the topic?... I don't have a problem when the issue of drugs comes up... I just don't like presumptuous statements about "how people end up" after their usage. > Let's face it: a very large proportion of the music that we listen to was > created under the influence of some drug. (I include alcohol in that list.) > Why is this? I'd love to hear anyone else's theories. I believe anything which relaxes the restrictive inhibitions of self criticism and doubt, including drugs, alcohol, meditation and other mental disciplines, will have a positive effect on music making. Artists have utilized this general principle to allow them to access sublime concepts either naturally or chemically, at the very least throughout this century. In Derek Bailey's book "Improvisation", he ruminates about the influence of the audience and recording on the act of creating music, and, (to paraphrase), states that an audience and/or the act of recording interject a (mostly) negative influence on the creative process. This points to the influence these elements have on the performer as well as their contextual effects. Relaxation techniques and a certain disregard for both the audience and the recording process might help one to peform with more in-the-moment abandon. Whether chemicals or mental discipline are the conduit for this, I believe this to be true. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 13:21:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03289; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:21:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:21:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375FEEC2.5960C420@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:58:43 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: 7.6 Time machine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1u5vI2.0.pe7.7--Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a question for some of you tech guys. I have two 7.6'rs but one is real strong ; if I set it to 50% mix its even. It has great feedback 9-10 repeats at full and a bit more delay time than 7.6. The other one is weak on all these points. The question; is there a way to obtain and replace the memory and could this be the problem; weak chip? tanx, jeff http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 13:32:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05465; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:32:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:32:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375FECD0.AA1CC767@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:50:24 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: drug time flame References: <19990610145857.57473.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V_70y1.0.2D7.Es-Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I apologize for my contribution to this to all. I was out of line on my part and ill- informed; I didn't catch the humor. onward through the fog, jeff ld thomson wrote: > If I had know my question about time/soundscaping would have resulted in a > flame war about drugs...I wouldn't have ever posted the question. > > >From: Jeff Duke > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: I am loopy > >Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:48:51 -0400 > > > > > > > >"K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote: > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mark Sottilaro > > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 2:07 AM > > > Subject: I am loopy > > > > > > >What ever happened to good o'l psychedelic drug usage? > > > > > > > Anyone who has experienced psychedelic > > > drug usage (and I would refer to the strong, clean hallucinogens like > >LSD or > > > organics like peyote or mescaline, not PCP or "Angel Dust" which are far > > > worse) would either realize that such states are incompatible with > etc. > > > >Wow, talk about a run on sentence. And by the way this is a mailing list > >and not > >a newsgroup where people attack a simple comment like that. > > > >sincerly, > >jeff > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 14:14:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14407; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:14:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:14:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002301beb365$9cab66a0$711cbfa8@default> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: effects of looping, and field recording Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:20:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"CfaZm1.0.g-.fJ_Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jamie had wrote; >I've heard of a book by AMM's E. Prevost called No Sound Is Innocent which >is evidently a vital read on field recording and manipulating found sound. >By the way, if you don't know already, the newest Wire mag has a "fun" >interview with K. Stockhausen. Knowledge is Power. >Oh yeah....I'm patiently waiting to pay off the EDP I have on lay away and >then I can get started looping!!! Peace Out. -from Jamie Mash I just went and ordered it from Borders. Amazon said they didn't make them anymore. But B had them and said they were shipped very quickly. It seems like it's going to be an amazing read. Lot's of things about field recording, doing strange things to your instruments...AND even preparing your guitars (for all you maniacs out there). I can't wait to get it. Jeff Collins A Strange View of Music Showcasing the music of Jeffrey Collins and Ken Rubenstein www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html "I TRUST IMPULSE, CREATIVE INTUITION, AND UNMOTIVATED SPONTANEITY, BUT ABOVE ALL RESPONSIVE ACTION WITH AS MANY FILTERS THAT ONE CAN AVOID." Robert Rauschenberg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 14:23:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28408; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:48:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:48:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:54:55 EDT Subject: bailey book To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"OC_UN.0.ys3.30-Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com is this derek bailey? ive been seeing his name about lately is the book anygood? is it technical(i.e.modes etc....) or is it philosophical(approaches etc...) rodrigo In a message dated 6/10/99 10:21:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dennis@mdbs.com writes: > Thanks, Jamie, for the reading suggestions! I just got the Bailey book on > improvisation but haven't read it yet. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 14:43:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20291; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:43:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:43:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375FFCBA.3118F391@best.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:58:23 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje Reply-To: ahoeltje@best.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: zzzounds and edp References: <4.1.19990610114723.0095a530@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O9Wje2.0.5z2.dt_Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mark at zzounds wrote to me a month ago with the following: -------- Thanks for your inquiry. We have a large number of Echoplexes on order as this is one of our most popular products; unfortunately Oberheim has been able to deliver only a handful of them to us this year. We would love your business but we would not be able to fill your order promptly. Being on our backorder list may be your best bet to get one, though, as I haven't seen them anywhere else either. -------- Michael Tuminello wrote: > Last I checked, zzounds still had the edp in stock. Are they selling an > older version, or is there something I don't know about them, since I want > to buy one, but everyone seems to always talk as if the edp is never > available, whereas it seems to have been in stock there for the last few > months. > > anyone? > > MT > > PS: I'm sure as a result of my posting this, they will now sell out > before I place my order... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 15:21:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28155; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:21:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:21:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37600567.495D9140@uswest.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:35:19 -0600 From: "James Lanpheer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-USWC0720 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu, "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Drugs+music: Off topic? References: <19990609193022.56318.qmail@hotmail.com> <014201beb2f9$b34b2600$7d5bdfc8@doutor> <375FE774.F0229692@mailbox.syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0Uy3r3.0.lb4.5M0Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mark- That was a nice post! By that i mean, that my experiences closely mirror yours.... My first experience with hallucinogenics was amongst the top 3 experiences of my life thus far. It was a HUGE door-opener to a whole side of myself that family/society/government had insisted wasn't there and that i should repress. For me, it was a life-changing event that i'm glad that i stumbed onto. Since then, my interests have veered into meditation, shamanism, "primitive" cultures, out-of-body travel, LOOPING, etc. Those interests would've likely remained dormant without some HELP. That being said, the experience surely ain't for everyone, not everyone's nervous systems can handle the experience safely. Nor does "everyone" end up in a gutter. BEWARE of words like "true" and "always" and "everyone", every single being is going thru their own thing and needs different things. Those who lost their way, many times will have lost the original meaning of what drew them to the experience initially, and are drawn to the "escape from reality" factor of drugs. Others can neither confirm nor deny, because theirs is a different experience. Today, drugs rarely factor in. As Mark said, once you know the road is there, its easier to get there without a bushwacker! My life is richer and fuller for being made aware of those other dimensions. However, even recently, i re-stumbled onto the psychedelic experience, after a long layoff, and the experience was quite similar (in terms of impact) to the original one. Years spent day-gigging and being polite, and sitting in meetings has a dulling effect for me, which an evening on the "other side" can reverse and re-orient oneself in a hurry! As to why a large portion of music was made under the influence of a drug, here's my take: For me "good music" means "timeless music". It means that its music that i can go back to years later and have it still mean something (other than a reconnection with the "good ol' days"). Drugs can lift you out of time, so you can relate to the cosmos in a more intimate way, with fewer inhibitions and a whole different view. You can "see" connections that you couldn't see before, play things you "couldn't" play before and relate to yourself and others in a way that's outside your "normal" setting. You can essentially go out of the normal frame, uncover something, find some meaning in it and bring these revelations back into time. (words aren't very good for this, email even less so...) I'd liken it to the Hero's Journey from Joseph Campbell. To me, the creation of music is the "bringing back to society" part of that Hero's Journey. You've made important discoveries and connections "out there" and now that you've made them, its your job to translate them into the everyday realm. Good music does this for me. It carries me outside of myself, brings forth the ecstatic experience with me, and then, drops me back in the everyday. The best music and musicians, i believe, are intimately aware of those "other realms". To me, the "best" music reveals itself to me over time. First, it might be the lyrics. Then, after a few listenings, the interaction between the bassline and the lyrics might be what grabs me... Suddenly, the whole bassline/drums interaction is "the thing". And so on... Its the same with looping. As you all have described, leaving a "well-constructed" loop run for hours is a cool thing... At different times, your awareness will find different connections and/or synchronicities between different voices in the loop. And then, "that" awareness will fade... and ANOTHER will emerge. And so on... These kinds of connections between things become more apparent to some musicians via trance, meditation, and the ectstatic experience. I'm rambling. Hope i made sense.... Your "mall" comments really cracked me up! Regards. Mark Sottilaro wrote: > For all recorded history there are tales of artists and drugs. It seems > to be an indelible part of art "lore." Should the list avoid the > topic? Some feel uncomfortable with the topic, due to either bad > personal experience or bad press, but how can we avoid this topic. The > stereotype of the drug addled musician didn't come from nowhere. > > Back to the Bulgarians... I was actually tripping the first time I heard > the Bulgarian Woman's Choir. It made me cry with joy. If I had not > been tripping, my emotional response would probably not have been that > acute. Why? Internal social "noise" imprinted in most male humans > stifles such behavior. What the LSD did was put my "filter" off-line > for a while and let it all stream out (in?) with out that little mental > traffic cop, I call Mr. Conscious, pointing the way. > > Now, should I have been able to "go there" without LSD? Of course. But > how can one go to a place that one doesn't know exists? The reason I > don't do drugs any longer is that they've served their purpose for me. > I can get there on my own. Bizarre social constructs block most > creative free form thinking. Face it, true artists are few and far > between. We should not need to use any substance to access this > integral part of ourselves, but we also should not get scolded for > "coloring outside the lines." I'm one generation away from a time when > nuns beat my father for writing with his left hand. > > So how does one leapfrog over such social hurdles? I used > psychedelics. Now I cry like a baby when I see the episode where Snoopy > runs away...has anyone... Oh, sorry. I know I could have gotten to > where I am without drugs. That's tough for a boy raised in the land of > Malls. But I'm not sorry for wanting to see what inspired I Am The > Walrus. Or the Giles, Giles and Fripp album, for that matter. If > Robert Fripp wasn't tripping in those days, I'd be amazed. And speaking > of our heroes, has anyone listened to Adrian Belew's "1967" on Mr. Music > Head? > > Let's face it: a very large proportion of the music that we listen to > was created under the influence of some drug. (I include alcohol in that > list.) Why is this? I'd love to hear anyone else's theories. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 15:34:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31098; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:34:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:34:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376001A7.A5071074@magelang.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:19:19 -0600 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: bailey book References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j25pe1.0.Ah3.x40Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's a very good book. I just read it a couple weeks ago. It covers improvisation from the musicians's point of view, and in various contexts (East Indian music, jazz, etc). I wouldn't consider that it covers everything about improv that one would want to know, and I disagree with some of the view of the book (particularly regarding recording), but it is a very interesting read. Much easier to get into than my other recent choice: _Formalized Music_ by Iannis Xenakis. (yes, it's Derek Bailey, jazz guitarist) It's cheap too, ~12$ from amazon.com Jim Kriist@aol.com wrote: > > is this derek bailey? > ive been seeing his name about lately > is the book anygood? > is it technical(i.e.modes etc....) > or is it philosophical(approaches etc...) > > rodrigo > > In a message dated 6/10/99 10:21:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dennis@mdbs.com > writes: > > > Thanks, Jamie, for the reading suggestions! I just got the Bailey book on > > improvisation but haven't read it yet. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 15:44:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00525; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:44:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:44:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3760165B.630CC80B@magi.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:47:40 -0500 From: d a v e X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to the list References: <19990610164717.24882.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b1X6X.0.-55.cV0Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I got a quote from Steve's here in Ottawa. They have them at their Montreal location. They retail for $289 Canadian. Not bad huh? Supposed to be pretty cool too. dave ld thomson wrote: > what does the Headrush do?? > $200 US...mmmm in Canada, with tax, tariffs, exchange....500$? Well maybe > more like $300 - $400. > > >From: Hawkeye255@aol.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: New to the list > >Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:11:49 EDT > > > >Dave, > > > > I would easily recommend the Akai Headrush just out. $200 U.S. or a > >little less. And a decent looping tool. Along with a sampler (which you > >already have), you'd be in business. > > > >Bill > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 15:46:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01260; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:46:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:46:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:52:56 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Why they DRUG OUT [a story] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"CqBn32.0.Xb5.1d0Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In my opinion, a lot of it has to do with relaxation. Fripp always said lots of his guitar craft students were "stiff as boards" and I can totally identify with that. Years ago was a young pod, I played in several groups with people who were better than I was (at that time anyway). These people knew it and would always try to find ways to HUMILIATE and that served to CONSTRICT me. A real bad thing to get into is criticizing people who you play with in a non-constructive manner. It makes them tighten up and shrug themselves until their head dissappears between their shoulder blades. For the longest time, I would always play with my jaws clenched, so much so that I nearly gave myself TMJ. I would always play really hard too, and eventually it got to the point where the day after a practice or a gig I'd need to take a day to recover. My teeth and jaw hurt so much that I practically gave myself TMJ and my hands and fingers hurt for days after. Then, later, a friend made an observation and said "you're playing guitar, not rowing a boat." From there I began to modify my approach. I went from staccato Al DiMeola of doom sounding to a more smoother, flowing kind of player. But I still didn't quite get it. Once I stopped clenching my jaws I was able to relax a little more - the more I relaxed the better I seemed to play and the better tha band played. We swung and flowed more as opposed to stridently blasting along. This was especially noticeable when we had a long day job to do before we went onstage or whatever. If we were tired, we listened to each other better and we also weren't afraid to try little things and be open to what the music wanted to do....I have tapes before and after with the proof that it made a huge difference. This is what I think is going on with the droog infestors...relaxing the patient so they can better respond to the musical power. Not an ideal situation but it works for some of them. In fact, one of the best guitar solos I ever played was when I was dog tired, just exhausted. I was just about to go to bed and I got an idea for a part on a tune I was working on. I cued up the tape (in my pajamas) and played the part and went to bed. The next day I listened to the tape and I could scarcely believe it was me. The playing was so relaxed it made J.J. Cale's efforts sound like death metal extravaganzas. Big on mood and feel, lots of space between the notes and just so there... So, some get to the ZONE thru chemical modifications, some get there through relaxation/meditation, and some get there through excessive lack of sleep. For me, a loop can be hypnotic. Like the lovely Vortex 16 preset - I had my wife sing a several octave arpeggio and after about two hours of looping that it was bouncing around the room amazingly. It made up the drone (or root) of a new tune....really cool.. I'll shut up now. Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 15:55:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03367; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:55:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:55:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990610184244.69470.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.9.33] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Drugs+music: Off topic? Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:42:42 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"oYzhh1.0.jn5.ug0Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I guess the drug thing is a touchy subject for me. Personal experiences being both good and bad. My only LSD experience was having some jerk put it in my wine at a party. They put in a lot. It was not fun. I had no idea what was happening or why and it was like having someone pull every self doubt/highschool low self opinion that rested in my skull out and hand them to me. That was four years ago, and I feel I've been healing since. Soundscaping has been a big part of that healing. >From: mark >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Drugs+music: Off topic? >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:36:04 +0200 > >I very much agree with Mark, >....and the fact that what binds us freaks together is the interest in >loops, in some bizarre love/interest in repetion/hypnosis, in the making >of music and/or sounds that by their very nature produce a trancelike >(or mind altered) state. Of course the aim of all music is to produce an >emotional response, and the particular response that we loopers are >looking for is some shortcut to our unconscious. That said are we not >the very same bunch of people who, while not necessarily taking drugs, >should embrace and empathise with those artists who do, for they >themselves are using drugs to reach a place where their inspiration is >pure emotion in a primal way, and therfore continue to push the >boundaries of art/music to evermore meaningfull heights. >I myself have used drugs on some occasions and have stopped now (mostly) >I care a little too much for my health/bank balance and the crappy >feeling the next day. There are risks of course, and I suspect that many >addict musicians get to that position but taking drugs as a replacement >for the adrenalin high that one experiences from playing live, and that >is a shame, but inspirational careful non abusive use, I can see many >benefits. > >DOPE TALE #1 >I once played a gig completely left handed after taking acid, I didnt do >it for some kind of intellectual experiment, I just forgot that I was >right handed, the result? Well... I guess you could say that an >industrial indie band became kinda... um....jazz? > > >MArk Francombe Red > >Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > For all recorded history there are tales of artists and drugs. It seems > > to be an indelible part of art "lore." Should the list avoid the > > topic? Some feel uncomfortable with the topic, due to either bad > > personal experience or bad press, but how can we avoid this topic. The > > stereotype of the drug addled musician didn't come from nowhere. > > > > Back to the Bulgarians... I was actually tripping the first time I heard > > the Bulgarian Woman's Choir. It made me cry with joy. If I had not > > been tripping, my emotional response would probably not have been that > > acute. Why? Internal social "noise" imprinted in most male humans > > stifles such behavior. What the LSD did was put my "filter" off-line > > for a while and let it all stream out (in?) with out that little mental > > traffic cop, I call Mr. Conscious, pointing the way. > > > > Now, should I have been able to "go there" without LSD? Of course. But > > how can one go to a place that one doesn't know exists? The reason I > > don't do drugs any longer is that they've served their purpose for me. > > I can get there on my own. Bizarre social constructs block most > > creative free form thinking. Face it, true artists are few and far > > between. We should not need to use any substance to access this > > integral part of ourselves, but we also should not get scolded for > > "coloring outside the lines." I'm one generation away from a time when > > nuns beat my father for writing with his left hand. > > > > So how does one leapfrog over such social hurdles? I used > > psychedelics. Now I cry like a baby when I see the episode where Snoopy > > runs away...has anyone... Oh, sorry. I know I could have gotten to > > where I am without drugs. That's tough for a boy raised in the land of > > Malls. But I'm not sorry for wanting to see what inspired I Am The > > Walrus. Or the Giles, Giles and Fripp album, for that matter. If > > Robert Fripp wasn't tripping in those days, I'd be amazed. And speaking > > of our heroes, has anyone listened to Adrian Belew's "1967" on Mr. Music > > Head? > > > > Let's face it: a very large proportion of the music that we listen to > > was created under the influence of some drug. (I include alcohol in that > > list.) Why is this? I'd love to hear anyone else's theories. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > >-- >\ >-\ >--\ >---\ >----\ >-----\ >------\ >-------\ >--------\ >---------\ >----------\ >-----------\ >------------\ >mark-red-----\ >--------------\ >---------------\ >work------------\ >-----------------\ >in2win------------\ >-------------------\ >multimedia-designer-\ >ovre-slottsgate-5----\ >0157-oslo-------------\ >tlf.--22-40-29-94------\ >fax--22-42-14-24--------\ >e-mail--mark@in2win.com--\ >web--http-//www.in2win.com\ >---------------------------\ >----------------------------\ >personal---------------------\ >tlf.-22-43-10-79--------------\ >mob.-91-56-99-88---------------\ >mark@8day.com-------------------\ >christine@8day.com---------------\ >----------------------------------\ >-----------------------------------\ >redweb------------------------------\ >http-//www.8day.com/redweb-----------\ >--------------------------------------\ >---------------------------------------\ >icq-4531031-----------------------------\ >-----------------------------------------\ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 16:32:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12198; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:32:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:32:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BEB33A.F1E75FA0.curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com> From: Steve Han Reply-To: "curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Cc: "'DKirkdorffer@exapps.com'" Subject: RE: EDP -- Group Buy II Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:15:08 -0700 Organization: Transworld Freight Systems X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KkLQz.0.ml6.O-0Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David, Great idea. Upon consolidating the orders, I propose we discuss improvements to be made for the newly produced EDPs. My comments are as follows: ****** "EDPs Input and Output levels are extremely sensitive and difficult to set visually as each individual EDPs I/O level settings are at different positions from eachother to reach the same level setting." "This is from reviewing 6 different EDPs consisting of my 2 EDPs and 4 others owned by friends." "BrotherSync is a myth and does not work, showing 'error' message, even with Master to Slave settings." "This maybe in part my fault from not knowing the intricacy in manipulating the EDP Sync system but I can't figure it out from the manual or on a EDP e-group." "Sync-ing with Midi In/Out/Thru works but the sync falls out of unison after approximately 8 minutes, fully discernable after about 12 to 13 minutes." "Foot Controller is very fragile and temperamental." "The Buttons (red) of the pedal are made of circuitry of the cheapest kinds and with the precise timing the EDP requires for performance, they are difficult to control with these cheap red buttons which behave unpredictably at times." "The maximum EDP capability of 198 seconds should be Standard for all newly produced units." "Most local Music Stores want to charge arm and a leg for a unit of EDP and if you want the pedal with it, they'll try to milk you for another $100 to $125." "Taking minimum 3 months to receive one from Gibson, only the true, dedicated loopers will order EDP while the EDP's capability can be marketed to the general musician and when advertised smartly, it can become a must have for every serious musician." "The price of Echoplex Digital Pro are prohibitive." "Mid $500.00 to mid $600.00 seems reasonable, which should include the pedal as part of the unit." "This is my opinion and experience and does not represent any other persons, groups, or identity." *********** I hope someone at Opcode / Gibson will give the above points some thought. The more popular the EDP, the more accessible to us the price and availability. Perhaps we should be promoting the EDP to every musicians, magazines, and music stores we know. I know some of us are already trying to promote EDPs but think of it... A pair of EDPs in every musician's garage... Thanks for the effort David. Curbie -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [SMTP:DKirkdorffer@exapps.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 9:46 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'; Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: EDP -- Group Buy II I cannot think of a better way to stimulate GIBSON into EDP production than a long list of profitable orders waiting to be fulfilled. With that in mind, I'm starting a list of people who really want to buy a NEW EDP. This list will be submitted to whoever picks up the production of the EDP. Clearly we can't KNOW the price of the unit at this time, so please assume it will be in the same $650-$700 range as before. I will NOT be accepting any money. I will not be a middleman. BUT, I WILL make sure this list is in the hands of people who can get the EDP produced again. I am providing two forms: A. "ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITED TO BUY AN EDP IF I CAN FIND ONE" ORDERS FORM B. "ONLY 99% OR LESS COMMITED" ORDERS FORM If you are ABSOLUTELY COMMITED and seriously want to buy an EDP, then use FORM A. If you're on the fence or uncommitted to paying $650-$700 for an NEW EDP, then use FORM B. KIM -- would you feel it is appropriate to post this form to the LD web-site? David Kirkdorffer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- FORM A A. "ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITED TO BUY AN EDP IF I CAN FIND ONE" ORDERS FORM Please provide the following details in the following format: A. NAME: A. MAILING ADDRESS: A. DAY PHONE: A. NIGHT PHONE: A. E-MAIL: A. NUMBER OF EDP'S YOU WANT TO ORDER: A. DATE YOU SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO GROUP BUY II: A. HOW MANY EDP'S DO YOU ALREADY OWN? A. DO YOU ALREADY OWN ANOTHER "LOOPER"? A. WHAT INSTRUMENT(S) DO YOU PLAY? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- FORM B B. "ONLY 99% OR LESS COMMITED" ORDERS FORM Please provide the following details in the following format: B. NAME: B. MAILING ADDRESS: B. DAY PHONE: B. NIGHT PHONE: B. E-MAIL: B. NUMBER OF EDP'S YOU WANT TO ORDER: B. DATE YOU SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO GROUP BUY II: B. HOW MANY EDP'S DO YOU ALREADY OWN? B. DO YOU ALREADY OWN ANOTHER "LOOPER"? B. WHAT INSTRUMENT(S) DO YOU PLAY? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 16:31:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11813; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:31:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:31:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <5e5e590e.24916901@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:16:17 EDT Subject: Re: New to the list To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"ayViy.0.Lc6.hy0Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dave, Maximum time is 23.8 seconds in nornal mode or loop mode. In loop mode, if you use half of the time (11.9 seconds), you can overdub ad infinitum or you can kill all the obverdubs, just keeping the original loop. Normal delay mode is very interesting, since feedback works in the Headrush very much ike the EDP. A MINI EDP!!!! (sort of). And only two switches. Clean sound, nice unit. I like so much, I might get another one. Then there's tape echo mode with four outputs. good luck, Bill 'hawkeye' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 16:38:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13645; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:38:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:38:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: EDP - again... Group Buy II Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:09:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"PH_9y2.0.vL6.tt0Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Because of the time delay (er, um loop-like isn't it?) of e-mail...I just repeat that based on what I've heard from my Gibson "deep throat" -- the EDP will come back once various issues are worked out. There will be a ready supply by Christmas to be sure! David Kirkdorffer Again, I cannot think of a better way to stimulate GIBSON into faster EDP production than a long list of profitable orders waiting to be fulfilled. With that in mind, I'm starting a list of people who really want to buy a NEW EDP. This list will be submitted to whoever picks up the production of the EDP. Clearly we can't KNOW the price of the unit at this time, so please assume it will be in the same $650-$700 range as before. I will NOT be accepting any money. I will not be a middleman. BUT, I WILL make sure this list is in the hands of people who can get the EDP produced again. I am providing two forms: A. "ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITED TO BUY AN EDP IF I CAN FIND ONE" ORDERS FORM B. "ONLY 99% OR LESS COMMITED" ORDERS FORM If you are ABSOLUTELY COMMITED and seriously want to buy an EDP, then use FORM A. If you're on the fence or uncommitted to paying $650-$700 for an NEW EDP, then use FORM B. KIM -- would you feel it is appropriate to post this form to the LD web-site? David Kirkdorffer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- FORM A A. "ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITED TO BUY AN EDP IF I CAN FIND ONE" ORDERS FORM Please provide the following details in the following format: A. NAME: A. MAILING ADDRESS: A. DAY PHONE: A. NIGHT PHONE: A. E-MAIL: A. NUMBER OF EDP'S YOU WANT TO ORDER: A. DATE YOU SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO GROUP BUY II: A. HOW MANY EDP'S DO YOU ALREADY OWN? A. DO YOU ALREADY OWN ANOTHER "LOOPER"? A. WHAT INSTRUMENT(S) DO YOU PLAY? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- FORM B B. "ONLY 99% OR LESS COMMITED" ORDERS FORM Please provide the following details in the following format: B. NAME: B. MAILING ADDRESS: B. DAY PHONE: B. NIGHT PHONE: B. E-MAIL: B. NUMBER OF EDP'S YOU WANT TO ORDER: B. DATE YOU SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO GROUP BUY II: B. HOW MANY EDP'S DO YOU ALREADY OWN? B. DO YOU ALREADY OWN ANOTHER "LOOPER"? B. WHAT INSTRUMENT(S) DO YOU PLAY? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 16:57:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17676; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:57:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:57:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37600FF3.B4F1D39B@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:20:23 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping genres References: <39ADCF833E74D111A2D700805F1951EF0D23F3AD@RED-MSG-06> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EYV9W3.0.hq6.S_0Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greg Meredith wrote: > ...It would provide utilitarian queries which might lead to interesting > surprises for people navigating databases of musical offerings. Imagine > walking up to a Tower Record service person and saying: "i'm throwing a > party. i need some music that's got about 200 bpm with 4 beats per cycle. i > want some electric bass and trap set in the instrumentation. i want the > music to evolve around a single tonal center." She might point you to a lot > more music than the latest techno or jungle releases... sounds good on paper, but at the tower store near me, a far more likely response would be: "...say wha?" ;-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 17:21:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22247; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:21:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:21:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:32:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Dark Aether Project June Concerts in NJ/MD/PA/DC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QB3fP2.0.8U7.HB1Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folks, We have four concerts coming up in the next two weeks. You'll find directions to each venue on our website at http://www.darkaether.net/ - Sat Jun 12 11pm -Live in the studios of WBZC 88.9 FM - Pemberton NJ WBZC can be heard in the Southern NJ/Philadelphia/Delaware area. For those going to see Gong at the TLA in Philadelphia, be sure to tune in on your way home. If you'd like to be in the studio audience, email info@darkaether.net and we'll reserve you a spot if there's still room. - Thu Jun 17 9pm - Cafe Tattoo - 4825 Belair Road - Baltimore MD with Chaos Code and Winston's Dog Chaos Code grew out of the group "The Web" - a prog rock cover band which Yaman was a member of before joining DAP. Now writing and performing originals, Chaos Code's music is a mix of classic and more modern melodic prog with many dynamic changes featuring vocals, flute, keys, guitar, bass guitar, stick, and drums. They'll perform their originals as well as a possible cover or two (they recently performed Genesis' "Musical Box"). Winston's Dog is a modern rock band from PA who DAP vocalist Ray Weston will be playing bass with. - Sat Jun 19 8pm - W. Hare American Legion Hall - 2nd/Walnut - Lansdale PA with Uncle Gut Uncle Gut is a heavy fusion power trio from the Baltimore area who have just released an excellent debut CD. - Fri Jun 25 8pm - Phantasmagoria - 11319 Elkin St - Wheaton MD (near DC) with Solaris Solaris is a highly acclaimed six-piece classic progressive rock band from Hungary. This will be their first US east coast performance. Their unique musical identity is based on a dynamic blend of virtuoso flute, guitar and keyboards balanced by a driving rhythm section (with two bass players!) woven into dynamic compositions that blur the lines between classical, jazz and rock music. Solaris will be performing in support of their new release _Nostradamus_ - their first studio album of new material in nearly a decade. Many other shows on the way including the 5th annual Progday outdoor international music festival in Chapel Hill NC Labor Day weekend with Thinking Plague, Discipline, Tenn Jinn (US), NeBeLNeST (France), Tribe of Cro (Belgium), Consorzio Acqua Potabile (Italy), Equinox (Panama), Apocalypse (Brazil) and others TBA. Stay tuned to the website at http://www.DarkAether.Net/ -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 17:35:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25026; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:35:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:35:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jimb@ehmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <990610160246J8.03290@weba2.iname.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Bailey book Resent-Message-ID: <"wBx7W3.0.fJ1.Le1Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From: Kriist@aol.com[SMTP:Kriist@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 11:54 AM >is this derek bailey? Yes, it is. Nothing to do with me (sorry to say). Nor is it my four-year-old nephew, who shares the same name as that illustrious guitarist. Just thought I'd point that out, incase it needed to be said. (BTW, I'm no relation either - AFAIK) Jim Bailey p.s.: Kim, how did I get unsubscribed from the list? I've tried posting a couple of times now, and was told that I'm not a subscriber - even though I still get the digest sent to me. ---------------------------------------------------------- Get your FREE personalized e-mail at http://www.canada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 17:44:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27015; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:44:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:44:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990610202100.49030.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.9.33] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Why they DRUG OUT [a reply] Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:20:54 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"wjWk53.0.VJ2.Kv1Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My Aikido instructor of 7 years, spent most of his time during class yelling "rewax...rewax...Noooo...Thomson...must rewax..." After an hour of having the shit pounded out of you and being totally exausted...you WOULD HAVE NO CHOICE but relax. Then he'd say in a deep baritone "Yes!...That's the way...Smoothly!" what does this have to do with looping? I don't really know. Except I wish I had recording of him saying that. I did do a little ditty a few years ago called "heartgrinder" with samples from my answering machine of 10 different females breaking dates/canceling on me. There bogus excuses sounding SO obviously phony over the grinding music beneath. Very funny listening...and very empowering. >From: Todd Madson >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Why they DRUG OUT [a story] >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:52:56 -0500 (CDT) > >In my opinion, a lot of it has to do with relaxation. Fripp always said >lots of his guitar craft students were "stiff as boards" and I can totally >identify with that. > >Years ago was a young pod, I played in several groups with people who were >better than I was (at that time anyway). These people knew it and would >always try to find ways to HUMILIATE and that served to CONSTRICT me. A >real bad thing to get into is criticizing people who you play with in a >non-constructive manner. It makes them tighten up and shrug themselves >until their head dissappears between their shoulder blades. > >For the longest time, I would always play with my jaws clenched, so much >so that I nearly gave myself TMJ. I would always play really hard too, >and eventually it got to the point where the day after a practice or a >gig I'd need to take a day to recover. My teeth and jaw hurt so much that >I practically gave myself TMJ and my hands and fingers hurt for days >after. > >Then, later, a friend made an observation and said "you're playing guitar, >not rowing a boat." From there I began to modify my approach. I went >from staccato Al DiMeola of doom sounding to a more smoother, flowing kind >of player. But I still didn't quite get it. > >Once I stopped clenching my jaws I was able to relax a little more - the >more I relaxed the better I seemed to play and the better tha band played. >We swung and flowed more as opposed to stridently blasting along. This >was especially noticeable when we had a long day job to do before we >went onstage or whatever. If we were tired, we listened to each other >better and we also weren't afraid to try little things and be open to >what the music wanted to do....I have tapes before and after with the >proof that it made a huge difference. > >This is what I think is going on with the droog infestors...relaxing the >patient so they can better respond to the musical power. Not an ideal >situation but it works for some of them. > >In fact, one of the best guitar solos I ever played was when I was dog >tired, just exhausted. I was just about to go to bed and I got an idea >for a part on a tune I was working on. I cued up the tape (in my pajamas) >and played the part and went to bed. The next day I listened to the tape >and I could scarcely believe it was me. The playing was so relaxed it >made J.J. Cale's efforts sound like death metal extravaganzas. Big on >mood and feel, lots of space between the notes and just so there... > >So, some get to the ZONE thru chemical modifications, some get there >through relaxation/meditation, and some get there through excessive >lack of sleep. > >For me, a loop can be hypnotic. Like the lovely Vortex 16 preset - I >had my wife sing a several octave arpeggio and after about two hours >of looping that it was bouncing around the room amazingly. It made up >the drone (or root) of a new tune....really cool.. > >I'll shut up now. > >Todd Madson >Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. >http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 17:57:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30072; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:57:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:57:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990610201215.78974.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.9.33] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to the list - HEADRUSH what does it do?? Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:12:15 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"6QWo1.0.er1.7n1Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com that's not a bad price at all. I should check out if Steve's here in TO can get them in. I still want to know what functions they have. Is it a delay or a processor? A filter or what? I've seen some weird filters that Bob Moog is making on his own. Envelope Filters, and one has a Ring Modulator. Has anyone tried these babies?? Lorne Thomson Toronto, Canada >From: d a v e >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: New to the list >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:47:40 -0500 > >I got a quote from Steve's here in Ottawa. They have them at their Montreal >location. They retail for $289 Canadian. Not bad huh? Supposed to be pretty >cool too. > >dave > >ld thomson wrote: > > > what does the Headrush do?? > > $200 US...mmmm in Canada, with tax, tariffs, exchange....500$? Well >maybe > > more like $300 - $400. > > > > >From: Hawkeye255@aol.com > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > >Subject: Re: New to the list > > >Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:11:49 EDT > > > > > >Dave, > > > > > > I would easily recommend the Akai Headrush just out. $200 U.S. >or a > > >little less. And a decent looping tool. Along with a sampler (which >you > > >already have), you'd be in business. > > > > > >Bill > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 18:18:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01849; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:18:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:18:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990610205805.92726.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.9.33] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Adrian Belew's Loops Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:58:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Q9u3_.0.IP4.5S2Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I pulled this off the Adrian Belew web site, thought it might be of some interest to you all. Q- So the sound inspires a musical counterpoint, as opposed to you writing a song and then searching for some sounds to make it work. Belew - "Actually, I do both things. But it’s very convenient for me if, when I find a new sound, generally I’m playing something and think "This is cool, I ought to write a song with this." But if I’ve already written a song and I know I want to take the guitar in a certain direction, then I can sit down and design that sound for it. Right now, I’m using a new amplifier called the Johnson Millennium. It has wonderful built-in effects, which are going to be very helpful for me to create the next generation of guitar sounds I’ll work from. A recent discovery that I made, which is really helping me a lot, is ways to use loops, which I comically call "Belewps." And the loops systems I’ve been doing have been ones that are not static. Normally you think of a loop and you play something into it and it plays that back internally. I’ve been trying to work with loops you can interact with—add to, interrupt, and constantly change—while you’re playing. This is all done with an expression pedal: Every time you bring the expression pedal in, you’re tapping into the loop, turning it on or off, or adding to it." Q - Do you ever do something where you might use some kind of distortion or other modulation effects into the loop and play over the loop with a different kind of sound? Belew - "That’s what I am doing. The Johnson Millennium comes with a pedalboard, and you can determine whether or nor something is being turned on or off by manner of a normal footswitch, by manner of a momentary switch, so that it’s just being turned on as you’re stepping on it, or by hooking it to an expression pedal. Now, the loop is already on the expression pedal. On the other footswitches, I usually have something like another delay, distortion, and perhaps a very interesting-sounding chorus. Because I’ve found it helps to separate. Once you have a loop you want to play something to, you can either sound like you’re doubling it, or you can play against it, almost like Robert Fripp and I play sometimes—the same lines a little out of synch with each other—or you can choose a sound that’s so different from it that it really does sound like two completely independent guitar players." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 18:18:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01936; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:18:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:18:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <73e28e8a.2491824c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:04:12 EDT Subject: Re: Of DRUGULA and other chemicals (mega offtopic!!) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"xES65.0.Vj4._X2Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hallucinating down the mountain at 40 or 50 mph doesn't sound like safe recreation to me for some reason. "the brake is turning into a giant leach!!! noooo!!!!" =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 18:21:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02725; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:21:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:21:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:07:52 EDT Subject: Re: New to the list To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"PEsZx2.0.sv4.-b2Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the zoom has 4 seconds though with a lot of feedback that can go for a long time. it also has treble roll-off so you can get those really lo-fi sounds happening if you like. i like this unit a lot. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 18:23:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03123; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:23:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:23:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990610205818.35869.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Adrian Belew's Loops Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:58:17 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"IjB5L2.0.UQ4.IS2Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I pulled this off the Adrian Belew web site, thought it might be of some interest to you all. Q- So the sound inspires a musical counterpoint, as opposed to you writing a song and then searching for some sounds to make it work. Belew - "Actually, I do both things. But it’s very convenient for me if, when I find a new sound, generally I’m playing something and think "This is cool, I ought to write a song with this." But if I’ve already written a song and I know I want to take the guitar in a certain direction, then I can sit down and design that sound for it. Right now, I’m using a new amplifier called the Johnson Millennium. It has wonderful built-in effects, which are going to be very helpful for me to create the next generation of guitar sounds I’ll work from. A recent discovery that I made, which is really helping me a lot, is ways to use loops, which I comically call "Belewps." And the loops systems I’ve been doing have been ones that are not static. Normally you think of a loop and you play something into it and it plays that back internally. I’ve been trying to work with loops you can interact with—add to, interrupt, and constantly change—while you’re playing. This is all done with an expression pedal: Every time you bring the expression pedal in, you’re tapping into the loop, turning it on or off, or adding to it." Q - Do you ever do something where you might use some kind of distortion or other modulation effects into the loop and play over the loop with a different kind of sound? Belew - "That’s what I am doing. The Johnson Millennium comes with a pedalboard, and you can determine whether or nor something is being turned on or off by manner of a normal footswitch, by manner of a momentary switch, so that it’s just being turned on as you’re stepping on it, or by hooking it to an expression pedal. Now, the loop is already on the expression pedal. On the other footswitches, I usually have something like another delay, distortion, and perhaps a very interesting-sounding chorus. Because I’ve found it helps to separate. Once you have a loop you want to play something to, you can either sound like you’re doubling it, or you can play against it, almost like Robert Fripp and I play sometimes—the same lines a little out of synch with each other—or you can choose a sound that’s so different from it that it really does sound like two completely independent guitar players." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 18:24:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03238; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:24:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:24:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <92bd2f8c.24918378@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:09:12 EDT Subject: Re: 7.6 Time machine To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"f7QNw2.0.qz4.nc2Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com you might try contacting digitech? =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 18:10:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00488; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:10:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:10:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990610204527.85645.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to the list Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:45:27 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"yKfmx.0.qn3.FG2Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Maximum time is 23.8 seconds !! Wow. That is a nice story. Perhaps I should get a second paper route and start saving now. Lorne Thomson Toronto, Canada >From: Hawkeye255@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: New to the list >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:16:17 EDT > >Dave, > Maximum time is 23.8 seconds in nornal mode or loop mode. In loop >mode, if you use half of the time (11.9 seconds), you can overdub ad >infinitum or you can kill all the obverdubs, just keeping the original >loop. >Normal delay mode is very interesting, since feedback works in the >Headrush >very much ike the EDP. A MINI EDP!!!! (sort of). And only two switches. >Clean sound, nice unit. I like so much, I might get another one. Then >there's tape echo mode with four outputs. > >good luck, > Bill 'hawkeye' > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 18:25:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03728; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:25:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:25:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <374A1CDC.248BB496@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:54:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: EDP Mod Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gdgD1.0.t-3.tJ2Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:39 PM -0700 5/25/99, Kim Flint wrote: >PCB design is a bit of an artistic talent. Takes a certain type of >creativity to visualize the best ways for all the traces to route around >the board. On the complicated stuff I do these days, practically all of the >PCB gets hand routed (instead of autorouted). The layout designers we use >do seem to be a bit arty, and have this great intuition for sorting a lot >of it out in their mind as they go. I've heard many say it's a lot like >doing a painting. It's all done on software programs, of course, but >without the human involvement it's a disaster. the autorouters are no >substitute... Auto-routing works great for simple-to-medium digital boards. For boards with any sensitive analog stuff, forget it. For complex digital boards, they might get as far as 95% of the way with auto routing, before giving up and leaving the last 5% for humans. The problem here is that, by this time, the auto router has made such a mess of it that the last 5% is just plain impossible. The only thing left is to start from scratch with a human in the driver's seat, or for a human to peel back the auto routed design to about 50% done, and take it from there. In this era of grand master chess programs, it's nice that there are still some things that we lowly humans can cling to to prove our superiority. Chris ____________________________________________________________ Chris Muir | cbm@well.com | got moloko? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 19:39:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17392; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:39:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:39:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009501beb38e$714dbac0$a5954e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: The Mysticism of Sound Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:13:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"9-vR01.0.9-7.eU3Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Great recommendation, Jamie! "The Mysticism of Sound" by Hazrat Inayat Khan is one of the best books I've ever read on music, musical perception, etc. I consider it a "must-read" for every musician, no matter what style of music or level of playing. I'll admit that a lot of the content may provoke reactions ranging from "Too woo-woo!" to "This is so blatantly obvious why even mention it?" But I've passed this book along to beginners and masters alike in various musical fields (Jazz, Rock, Avant-Garde, Western classical, Indian classical, etc.) and I know that everyone got something out of it. Hazrat Inayat Khan was a famous Sufi ("mystical" branch of Islam) from India who lived in the late nineteenth/early twentieth century and was known for bringing Sufism to the West. He was an accomplished poet, translator, author and musician (but not to be confused with his contemporary of the same name, Ustad Inayat Khan -- the great sitar player). This book had been recommended to me and it took about 5 years to find a copy, but was well worth the wait. I'm glad to see that it's widely available again. Another book along the same lines that I'd recommend to the group is "Through Music to the Self" by Peter Michael Hamel. My copy was published in 1979 by Shambala Publications in Boulder, Colorado. I don't know whether this is still in print, but it's worth looking up. It deals mostly with the "intuitive" side of music making, touching on various points in musical history from a variety of musical traditions. There are also some good discussions of modern experimental music, minimalism, etc. It too can get a bit murky on the "mystical" side, but it's definitely worth a read. James > There is a good book entitled The Mysticism of Sound and Music by >the sufi teacher/musician Hazrat Inayat Khan. I suggest it to those who >are into deeper levels of awareness, creations, vibrations, and >spirituality. Some of the chapter titiles: >Esoteric Music >The Music of the Spheres >The Mystery of color and sound >The Divinity of Indian Music >The manifestation of Sound on the Physical sphere >The effect of sound on the physical body >The influence of music on the character of man >Healing Power/Spiritual attainment by music >The Magnetism of Beings and Objects >The value of repetition and Reflection >and much much more...... >Aphorisms, prayers and chants, sounds, poetry, and lectures w/ phrases to be >repeated...... > It's put out by Shambhala Dragon Editions..... > >Other cool books I've read lately on music are: The nature of Improvisation >by Derek Bailey, and Theatre of Mixed Means by Richard Kostelanetz (an old >1968 1st print from my school [MTSU} library) which has insightful >interviews with LaMonte Young and John Cage as well as others involved with >visual and music mixed media arts. >I've heard of a book by AMM's E. Prevost called No Sound Is Innocent which >is evidently a vital read on field recording and manipulating found sound. >By the way, if you don't know already, the newest Wire mag has a "fun" >interview with K. Stockhausen. Knowledge is Power. >Oh yeah....I'm patiently waiting to pay off the EDP I have on lay away and >then I can get started looping!!! Peace Out. -from Jamie Mash > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 19:37:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17002; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:37:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:37:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990610221612.19270.rocketmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:16:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: myths To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"EnTMY.0.-x7.CU3Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Steve Han wrote: > > "BrotherSync is a myth and does not work, showing > 'error' message, even with Master to Slave > settings." Steve, I saw a picture of BrotherSync in the National Enquirer, so I know that he exists. He was riding a Unicorn :-) As an owner of 3 EDP, and a user of Brother sync, I can assure you that brother sync does indeed work. The only times I have gotten "error" message is when I tried to use a 2 conductor cable (and plug) instead of a 3 conductor TRS (tip, ring, sleeve) cable/plug, or when I tried to use a defective trs cable. I will try to dig up some old articles about brother sync and forward them to you. Make sure you have the latest firmware, and if it is a very old EDP that the brother sync resistors (internal to the EDP) are the correct value. > "Sync-ing with Midi In/Out/Thru works but the sync > falls out of unison after approximately 8 minutes, > fully discernable after about 12 to 13 minutes." I have also done syncing with Midi, and it does maintain sync over time. I don't recall if I used the midi through on the EDP, or the other midi devices. I have connected, an alesis drum machine, an oberheim drummer, or an oberheim cyclone. Using these devices I have maintained sync for more than 30 minutes. Again, I will find some old email on the subject and forward them to you. You may want to search the email archives, or re-read the FAQ on EDP at the LD website. It may be tought to figure out these sync methods the first time or two, but don't give up. They work, and are a blast to use. bret _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 19:35:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16708; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:35:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:35:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906102208.XAA01621@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> From: "Tim Walker" To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:06:14 +0100 Reply-To: "Tim Walker" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bailey book Resent-Message-ID: <"BoZNi2.0.Aw7.nT3Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rodrigo wrote: "is this derek bailey? ive been seeing his name about lately is the book anygood? is it technical(i.e.modes etc....) or is it philosophical(approaches etc...)" I've got it, and it's more philosophical than musical. Still fascinating, though, and DB makes no secret of his distaste for classical music - in his view, slavishly regurgitating notes on a page isn't really music... Best wishes, Tim. *************Tim Walker - Staines, Middlesex, UK************ tawalker@dircon.co.uk http://www.tawalker.dircon.co.uk/ "You can't always wait for a composer to write the music you want to play." (Derek Bailey) ************************************************************ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 19:54:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20911; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:54:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:54:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376041F7.F5571A2B@jps.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:53:43 -0700 From: Roland Eberle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jam Man Upgrade chips for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bZyaa3.0.LI2.q84Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello again... Anyone out there needing a set upgrade chips for the Jam Man? I've got a few sets sitting around that I bought a year or so ago that I won't be needing. Set of 4 chips (1m x 4bit zip IC's...80 nano sec Micron brand) for the low low price of only $30...that includes shipping (US Mail priority) to your specified address in the USA. If your Jammin' at a piddling 8 seconds here's your inexpensive opportunity to quadruple your capacity. Please respond privately to me at eb@jps.net Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 20:05:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22912; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:05:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:05:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <375FEEC2.5960C420@bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:12:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 7.6 Time machine Resent-Message-ID: <"aReQY.0.8_2.0P4Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:58 AM -0700 6/10/99, Jeff Duke wrote: >I have a question for some of you tech guys. I have two 7.6'rs but one >is real strong ; if I set it to 50% mix its even. It has great feedback >9-10 repeats at full and a bit more delay time than 7.6. >The other one is weak on all these points. The question; is there a way >to obtain and replace the memory and could this be the problem; weak >chip? something like this wouldn't be memory. I don't know the digitech circuit, so I can't tell you what to do. But I'm guessing it does feedback in analog, so there is some amplifier circuit that sets this feedback gain. Somehow, the gain in the one unit is off, and it can't reach it's max value. It probably even has a small potentiometer on the board used to calibrate this, and the pot in your unit has gotten off from the proper setting. You might try getting a service manual from digitech, or try adjusting them yourself to see if anything fixes the problem. I know somebody else on the list had tweaked some pots in the 7.6 to get a longer delay time, so maybe that person knows how to fix the feedback too. (can't remember who it was right now, sorry...) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 20:13:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24495; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:13:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:13:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37603FCE.F451C757@jps.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:44:30 -0700 From: Roland Eberle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jam Man on ebay/discount for LD subscribers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EL8rG2.0.As1.U04Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Folks, My Jam Man is up for sale on ebay...mint condition, 32 sec upgrade, manual,power supply,Lexicon foot pedal...if you are the winning bidder and mention Loopers-Delight when you contact me AFTER winning the auction, I'll give you a $25 discount. Follow the link straight to the item up for auction or just go to www.ebay.com and enter Jam Man in the search box...don't be put off if you're new to ebay...it's all pretty simple once you figure out the basic ground rules. Seller (that's me) pays all listing fees and commisions...buyer pays whatever he or she bids plus any shipping etc as outlined in the item description. Give it a shot if you're looking for virtually ANY kind of gear. Thanks and good luck...Here's the url: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=113221439 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 20:27:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27059; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:27:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:27:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990610114723.0095a530@mail.earthlink.net> References: <199906092222.SAA32410@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:16:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: zzzounds and edp Resent-Message-ID: <"cvZkp3.0.H73.zR4Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:50 AM -0700 6/10/99, Michael Tuminello wrote: >Last I checked, zzounds still had the edp in stock. Are they selling an >older version, or is there something I don't know about them, since I want >to buy one, but everyone seems to always talk as if the edp is never >available, whereas it seems to have been in stock there for the last few >months. It wouldn't be an "older version" (there isn't one....). If they actually do have one in stock, and you haven't already ordered it, you better get on the phone quick after posting this! :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 21:25:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04226; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:25:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:25:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376057BB.E558D337@home.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:26:37 -0700 From: Neil Goldstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: EDP FA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oau5z3.0.6b6.AV5Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just was cruising Ebay and saw an EDP and footpedal for auction. Its at $255 with 5 days left.
 

 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=115930151
 

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  From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 21:42:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06743; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:42:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:42:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3760607D.8DFAE53D@apex.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:03:56 -0500 From: James Devillez Reply-To: grndflor@apex.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Subject: RE: OPCODE & The EDP References: <199906101803.OAA12171@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9kbLZ3.0.Vz7.vz5Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > Subject: RE: OPCODE & The EDP > Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:52:18 -0700 > From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" > To: "Loopers-Delight" > > Could it also be that customer service are clueless? It would not be a > precedent... > bIz > > Boy Howdy, Ive been dealing with another guitar company's customer service(where my 'new' guitar has been for the last month), got about 30 e-zings I've kept and they keep contradicting themselves..you're right__not a clue JscottD__now back I go again into the vast reaches of inner space.. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 21:41:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06648; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:41:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:41:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BEB33A.F1E75FA0.curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:44:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP -- Group Buy II Resent-Message-ID: <"zQpEP1.0._H7.Il5Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:15 PM -0700 6/10/99, Steve Han wrote: >David, > >Great idea. Upon consolidating the orders, >I propose we discuss improvements to be made >for the newly produced EDPs. >My comments are as follows: Probably they have plenty to do just getting everything moved and set up in a new division. Making a whole bunch of changes at the same time would just slow things down! The last thing that needs to happen right now is for them to spend lots of time and money trying to redesign something that is popular and works fine just the way it is, then you would surely never see it again! (or at least not for a really long time....) What David K. is proposing right now is exactly the right thing to do. If you are thinking about getting an Echoplex now or someday in the future, or if you have one on backorder and are waiting for it, now is a great time to let Gibson/Opcode/whoever know about it. If they see customers out there waiting, they will move a lot faster to get echoplexes on the shelf. Money talks, right? Organizing together in a group like this is a great idea, too - you'll definitely get attention that way. I'd say, get yourself on David's list for this group-buy, if you haven't already. I think there's a pretty good chance that this would secure you a unit much sooner and at a much better price than otherwise! In the past, Gibson (or their dealers) have given some priority to people coming through this list, and we can probably convince them to do the same this time. But I thought I'd try to comment on some of these ideas to help you out and clarify some things: >****** > >"EDPs Input and Output levels are extremely sensitive >and difficult to set visually as each individual EDPs >I/O level settings are at different positions from eachother >to reach the same level setting." > >"This is from reviewing 6 different EDPs consisting >of my 2 EDPs and 4 others owned by friends." The Input/Output gain in the echoplex was changed a while back, because it was originally too sensitive. So this is already done. New units are all done with the same I/O gain as is described for a mod on the Looper's website. It's much easier to set now. So if you have a mix of older units and newer units, the knobs might be in different spots for the same gain. If you do the mod on the website for the older ones, they should be much more consistent. >"BrotherSync is a myth and does not work, showing >'error' message, even with Master to Slave settings." >"This maybe in part my fault from not knowing the >intricacy in manipulating the EDP Sync system but >I can't figure it out from the manual or on a EDP e-group." Are you using the proper cable? 95% of the time people have a BrotherSync problem, it is because they are using a mono cable instead of a stereo (TRS) cable. There is a whole section in the echoplex FAQ about brother sync, which has this and lots of other helpful tips: FAQ main page - http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html Brother FAQ page - http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ7.html also, if you have older units, some of the early ones tended to give that ERR message if you had 4 or more of them connected with BrotherSync. New ones shouldn't have this problem. Even with the old ones, you can usually just flip it off and on and its ok. > >"Sync-ing with Midi In/Out/Thru works but the sync >falls out of unison after approximately 8 minutes, >fully discernable after about 12 to 13 minutes." Are you using the LoopIIIv5.0 software? All reports I've heard are that midi sync is rock solid with this release, and that's been my experience. You are syncing the echoplex to another device, like a sequencer, right? Is that device's clock drifting a lot? If the other device has it's tempo drift far enough, the echoplex will quit trying to sync to it. But that usually takes quite a bit of drift. Also, do you have the sync parameter set right? Are you seeing the green dot on the display flash when the sync point comes? > >"Foot Controller is very fragile and temperamental." > >"The Buttons (red) of the pedal are made of circuitry >of the cheapest kinds and with the precise timing >the EDP requires for performance, they are difficult to >control with these cheap red buttons which behave >unpredictably at times." I actually tried about 30 different switches around the time we designed this, and found I liked these cheap red ones the best as far as accurate tapping goes. The force required to press them wasn't too much or too little, and I could tell when it contacted. Also, being red made them easy to see. The trouble is, if you stomp hard on them a lot, you can break them. Go easy on it, and it will last a long time. (In fact, you will be much more accurate in tapping if you use a lighter touch....) My pedal has lasted 5 years now, with no trouble. If you do break one of them, they are available from Mouser Electronics (www.mouser.com) and are very easy to replace yourself. With the heavy-duty industrial switches, I found they were often difficult to tap with accuracy, because most required a fairly large amount of force to press them. A lot of them also make loud click sounds when they contact, which I find unnacceptable. And in general, they cost $3-6 each, so if you think the pedal is expensive now, boy would you cry then! If you really don't like the switches used in the production model, you can try some other switches and replace them with ones you like. As I said, it's very easy to do this modification. Also, it's very easy to make your own pedal, the instructions are on the LD web site. Otherwise, the pedal is made with good sheet metal construction and point-to-point wiring. It should be quite rugged. > >"The maximum EDP capability of 198 seconds >should be Standard for all newly produced units." Now that the cost difference between a 4MB simm and a 1MB simm is pretty small, I imagine they would do this. Such a thing already happened once...the echoplex originally shipped with 12.5 seconds installed, with a 50 sec version for quite a bit more money. (and of course, you could upgrade it yourself to the full 198.) When the memory prices dropped, they just sold it with 50 seconds installed at the price where they had sold the 12.5sec version. It's probably at a good point to make such an adjustment again, and I would guess that they will do that sooner or later. >"Most local Music Stores want to charge arm and a leg >for a unit of EDP and if you want the pedal with it, they'll >try to milk you for another $100 to $125." that's called capitalism.... I'm pretty sure Gibson didn't invent that one...:-) > >"Taking minimum 3 months to receive one from Gibson, >only the true, dedicated loopers will order EDP while >the EDP's capability can be marketed to the general >musician and when advertised smartly, it can become >a must have for every serious musician." that I think is a true statement! they just need to make them consistently, and everything will follow, peace will reign, etc.... >"The price of Echoplex Digital Pro are prohibitive." >"Mid $500.00 to mid $600.00 seems reasonable, >which should include the pedal as part of the unit." again, capitalism..... Demand is much higher than supply, so I wouldn't expect any dramatic price reductions to happen. Although, street price for the echoplex usually seems to be in that $600 range (not including the pedal), which I think is a pretty good deal. Besides, given that low-end samplers and good effects units are around $1200, the echoplex price doesn't seem high at all given the extensive capabilities and the unique set of features. >The more popular the EDP, the more accessible to us >the price and availability. >Perhaps we should be promoting the EDP to every musicians, >magazines, and music stores we know. > >I know some of us are already trying to promote EDPs >but think of it... >A pair of EDPs in every musician's garage... Good luck to you guys, keep poking those Gibson folks, and they'll do what you want! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 22:15:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13045; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:15:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:15:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37606640.C587D747@apex.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:28:31 -0500 From: James Devillez Reply-To: grndflor@apex.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #235 References: <199906102053.QAA16861@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XrSSK.0.B_.HL6Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > Subject: Why they DRUG OUT [a story] > Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:52:56 -0500 (CDT) > From: Todd Madson > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > . My teeth and jaw hurt so much that > I practically gave myself TMJ > > Todd Madson > Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. > http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > good post, enjoyed yours and others, too.. watch yourself, a guitar buddy of mine in his mid 40's , after years of clinching teeth..ended up with a 5 figure doctor's bill and a reconstructed mouth, full of metal...now won't that set off the detectors at airports..ok_-----_____old loop content in music.(warning old silly song when the world was young and naive) here we go loopty lu, here we go loopty li, here we go loopty lu, all on a Saturday Night..drug content now______can't remember who did it, short term memory loss..now where did i set that Jolt cola?????? Into the mist again From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 23:18:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24397; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:18:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:18:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:45:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Fwd: FW: [dc-improv-announce] 6/11 - Henry Kaiser Resent-Message-ID: <"FB5Fw.0.KW4.5Y7Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey druggies and non-druggies....if you need something to do tommorrow night, I'll see you there... patrick >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Vincent Kargatis [SMTP:lartis@pressroom.com] >> Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 17:09 >> To: dc-improv-announce@wnur.org >> Subject: [dc-improv-announce] 6/11 - Henry Kaiser >> >> Press release for Henry Kaiser concert this Friday: >> -- >> "A rare appearance by one of the >> great American free improvisers" >> >> >> Jackaldog Uncorporated presents >> >> FRI, 11 JUN 1999 >> >> >> HENRY KAISER - guitar >> >> >> with >> JEAN COOK - violin >> JOHN MCCAIN - guitar >> >> @ >> Music Program Recital Hal, Bldg 46-W >> University of District of Columbia >> 4200 Conn. Ave NW (@ Van Ness), DC >> Metro: Van Ness/UDC (red) >> >> >> 8 pm $5 >> >> >> Widely recognized as one of the most creative and innovative guitarists, >> improvisers, and producers in the fields of rock, jazz and experimental >> music, California-based musician Henry Kaiser is one of the most >> extensively recorded as well, having appeared on more than 140 different >> albums. A restless collaborator who constantly seeks the most diverse >> and personally challenging contexts for his music, Mr. Kaiser not only >> produces and contributes to a staggering number of recorded projects, he >> performs frequently throughout the USA, Europe and Japan, with several >> regular groupings as well as solo guitar concerts and concerts of freely >> improvised music with a host of diverse instrumentalists. Evidence of >> his exceptional musical breadth and versatility can be found in a (very) >> abbreviated list of the extraordinary artists he's collaborated with: >> David Lindley, Rova, Elliot Sharp, John "Drumbo" French, Bill Laswell, >> Steve Lacy, Fred Frith, John Abercrombie, Leo Smith, Negativland, >> Michael Stipe, Terry Riley, Jim O'Rourke, Diamanda Galas, Sonny >> Sharrock, Hans Reichel, Chris Cutler, Henry Cow, John Zorn, David Torn, >> Bill Frisell, Joey Baron, George Lewis, Peter Brotzmann, Greg Allman, >> Jerry Garcia, Miya Masaoka, Cecil Taylor, and many, many more. >> >> As one of the "first generation" of American free improvisers, born in >> Oakland CA in 1952, Mr. Kaiser has helped unfetter the guitar from the >> conventions of genre-bound techniques, but his instrumental virtuosity >> and technological breakthroughs are always deployed in the service of >> deep and immediate personal expression. Likewise, he has developed a >> highly individual, inimitable style from an uncommonly varied range of >> influences. Some of his musical sources include traditional blues, East >> Asian, Classical North Indian and Hawaiian music, free jazz, free >> improvisation, American steel-string concert guitar, and 20th century >> classical, but like any probing artist he also draws creatively from >> other abiding interests, which for Mr. Kaiser include Information >> Theory, experimental cinema, mathematics, experimental literature and >> SCUBA diving. >> >> He will be performing in DC with local improvisors John McCain on guitar >> and Jean Cook on violin in an all-acoustic, unrehearsed free-improvised >> concert, the first meeting for this trio. All proceeds go directly to >> the artists. Mr. Kaiser is *rarely* in this area, so don't miss this >> opportunity to see and hear him live! >> >> The concert is held in the music building at the far end of the campus >> (away from the corner of Conn./Van Ness). Go as far as you can into the >> campus and you'll find it. >> >> Audio sample available at >> http://www.pressroom.com/~lartis/transparent/AllSched.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 23:36:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27314; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:36:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:36:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:48:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: My Loop Boxes Resent-Message-ID: <"56mde1.0.ag4.ia7Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've had a Digitech RPS 8000 for a verry long time, 3 Jam Men, and two Echoplexes, one Vortex....none of them have found it neccessary to do any drugs...let's get back to gear.... :) patrick http://www.fingerpaint.net oops, I nearly forgot the 3 or 4 Jam Men that were bought and sold on the black market...all sober.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 10 23:36:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27318; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:36:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:36:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376077F6.5F7D465F@apex.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:44:04 -0500 From: James Devillez Reply-To: grndflor@apex.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: EDP -- Group Buy II References: <199906102053.QAA16861@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"T_BFo2.0.SE4.pR7Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > Subject: RE: EDP -- Group Buy II > Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:15:08 -0700 > From: Steve Han > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > CC: "'DKirkdorffer@exapps.com'" > > David, > > Great idea. > > "The maximum EDP capability of 198 seconds > should be Standard for all newly produced units." yes it should, mine wasn't and I added that later, like within the week.. > > > "Most local Music Stores want to charge arm and a leg > for a unit of EDP and if you want the pedal with it, they'll > try to milk you for another $100 to $125." ahh yes, capitalism, isn't it wonderful? > > > "Taking minimum 3 months to receive one from Gibson, > only the true, dedicated loopers will order EDP while > the EDP's capability can be marketed to the general > musician and when advertised smartly, it can become > a must have for every serious musician." It took me almost 1/2 a year to get mine about 3 or 4 years ago, prepaid > > > "The price of Echoplex Digital Pro are prohibitive." > "Mid $500.00 to mid $600.00 seems reasonable, > which should include the pedal as part of the unit." Mine cost $900 with a break__ the pedal was the above price you stated__I don't think you will ever see it at that price you would like, hopefully you will see them again though. Now, IF it is at that price, some corners will have to be cut, that's for sure.. > > > "This is my opinion and experience and does not represent > any other persons, groups, or identity." > > *********** > > I hope someone at Opcode / Gibson will give the above points > some thought. > The more popular the EDP, the more accessible to us > the price and availability. > Perhaps we should be promoting the EDP to every musicians, > magazines, and music stores we know. yes you should...it all goes back to supply and demand..most times when something is discontinued, it is because there is not enough of a demand to warrant keeping it in line, I had found out about Gibson doing away with Oberheim about 1 year or so ago from someone that I know who works there...Sorry about the delayed message, But I just found you guys..I'm slloowww. > > > I know some of us are already trying to promote EDPs > but think of it... > A pair of EDPs in every musician's garage... THAT would be nice!!!!! for now I guess I will have to make due with my jamman and vortex (ps thanks for the tips on it_Andy Butler __ Subject: Vortex loop mangler (patch) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:48:55 EDT From: SoundFNR@aol.com ) ..bought new many years ago...it's a nice compliment to the EDP..and to think I tried to sell the jamman for $200 a while back and now I find it's worth , what was that? $6,,,8 hundred dollars on e-bay...whooooo > > > > Thanks for the effort David. > > Curbie > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kirkdorffer [SMTP:DKirkdorffer@exapps.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 9:46 AM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'; Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com > Subject: EDP -- Group Buy II > > And in all seriousness guys and gals__good luck in your endeavors..now it's back into the ozone again From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 00:31:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07462; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:31:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:31:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004401beb3c2$63f0b7e0$3998adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: RDS 4000 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:25:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"HumJT2.0.0y7.bj8Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just saw one . . . http://www.billsmusic.com/keyboards.html $159 "or reasonable offer" 4 secs. of warpable, modumutant rack mount Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Smith To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 10:55 PM Subject: My Loop Boxes >I've had a Digitech RPS 8000 for a verry long time, 3 Jam Men, and two >Echoplexes, one Vortex....none of them have found it neccessary to do any >drugs...let's get back to gear.... > >:) > >patrick > > > http://www.fingerpaint.net > > >oops, I nearly forgot the 3 or 4 Jam Men that were bought and sold on the >black market...all sober.... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 01:13:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13986; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 01:13:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 01:13:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001901beb3c4$5f7026e0$9c1bbfa8@default> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: FW: [dc-improv-announce] 6/11 - Henry Kaiser Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:39:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"nOlp9.0.lE2.OF9Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You got this message on Monday, but didn't let us know until today. What, were you saving it for yourself. I would've loved to go. Too bad i didn't know in advance. Jeff Collins A Strange View of Music Showcasing the music of Jeffrey Collins and Ken Rubenstein www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html "I TRUST IMPULSE, CREATIVE INTUITION, AND UNMOTIVATED SPONTANEITY, BUT ABOVE ALL RESPONSIVE ACTION WITH AS MANY FILTERS THAT ONE CAN AVOID." Robert Rauschenberg -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Smith To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 11:18 PM Subject: Fwd: FW: [dc-improv-announce] 6/11 - Henry Kaiser >Hey druggies and non-druggies....if you need something to do tommorrow >night, I'll see you there... > >patrick > > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Vincent Kargatis [SMTP:lartis@pressroom.com] >>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 17:09 >>> To: dc-improv-announce@wnur.org >>> Subject: [dc-improv-announce] 6/11 - Henry Kaiser >>> >>> Press release for Henry Kaiser concert this Friday: >>> -- >>> "A rare appearance by one of the >>> great American free improvisers" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 01:44:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19536; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 01:44:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 01:44:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007101beb3c8$650e0000$0560aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: "Loopers" Subject: RE: Looping genres Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:08:02 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"CC0-r2.0.nM3.rf9Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wanted to tag on to Kim's mention of Q-bert and Mix Master Mike. The Invisibl Skratch Piklz have a cool website I checked out to hear there stuff. The have what they call Skratch Radio which is a RealPlayer radio channel. Its fun to listen to while I get caught up on e-mails. Heres the address if anyones interested: http://www.skratchpiklz.com/ > >I really like Qbert's "wave twisters" album. > > Mix Master Mike's album was alright too. And the Automator on the Dr. > > Octagon album from last year, wow.... > > > > > > > kim > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 02:44:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28536; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:44:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:44:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3760A579.74D81DC1@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:58:18 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: time stretching vortex patch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C-oEp3.0.eP5.lKAOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com all this talk of looping stretching time.. how about time stretching your loops! in return for some great recent 'texter patches from Andy, thought i'd share where i've been spending a number of hours recently (no drugs involved apart from sleep deprivation): A : reflexion A B : deja vu B mix 40 64 output 64 64 mod fx 1 20 echo fx ped 64 morph 5 50 env 64 ped echo1 3 2 echo2 2 2 fb1 60 64 fb2 32 1 rate1 8 8 depth1 60 28 res1 1 45 rate2 50 50 depth2 64 48 res2 64 28 really need the pedal to get the most out of this i guess... start off in A... i like to avoid loud attacks and use the pedal very slowly... a steady down press will bring in the echoes (echo fx controls the inputs to the delays in the reflexion preset)... initially a quivering atmospheric effect resolving to a slightly pitch bent short cycle delay... pedal toe-up lets the echo fade out naturally while you play over the top. keep the knob pointing at feedback 1 so you can be ready to "loop" or "kill" the short delay... sustaining something and varying its volume while the pedal is toe-down produces some interesting quiet quivering flange type thingies embedded in the thick echo... various effects are possible when morphing to B, which is a looper with the quivering rate 50 theme in the background... with the "straight" A delay cycling away and no input signal present, morphing to B with the pedal toe-up will (usually - according to the tap length) triple the length of the loop---and half will be what was in echo 1, the other half will be a "gap" (usually with some soft phasey sounding stuff in it)... if there is material input during the morph with the pedal toe-down, a mutated bent version of the input will occupy the second half of the B loop... try input with toe-up etc (yeah.. like i need to tell you guys to experiment ;) enjoy! brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 05:05:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14000; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 05:05:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 05:05:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3760CA51.9C1DA34D@in2win.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:35:29 +0200 From: mark Organization: in2win Interactive Learning Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: My Loop Boxes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark.francombe@in2win.com Resent-Message-ID: <"QVG6S1.0.9X2.0fCOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com muso Patrick Smith wrote: > > I've had a Digitech RPS 8000 for a verry long time, 3 Jam Men, and two > Echoplexes, one Vortex....none of them have found it neccessary to do any > drugs...let's get back to gear.... > > :) > > patrick > > http://www.fingerpaint.net > > oops, I nearly forgot the 3 or 4 Jam Men that were bought and sold on the > black market...all sober.... -- \ -\ --\ ---\ ----\ -----\ ------\ -------\ --------\ ---------\ ----------\ -----------\ ------------\ mark-red-----\ --------------\ ---------------\ work------------\ -----------------\ in2win------------\ -------------------\ multimedia-designer-\ ovre-slottsgate-5----\ 0157-oslo-------------\ tlf.--22-40-29-94------\ fax--22-42-14-24--------\ e-mail--mark@in2win.com--\ web--http-//www.in2win.com\ ---------------------------\ ----------------------------\ personal---------------------\ tlf.-22-43-10-79--------------\ mob.-91-56-99-88---------------\ mark@8day.com-------------------\ christine@8day.com---------------\ ----------------------------------\ -----------------------------------\ redweb------------------------------\ http-//www.8day.com/redweb-----------\ --------------------------------------\ ---------------------------------------\ icq-4531031-----------------------------\ -----------------------------------------\ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 05:42:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18480; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 05:42:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 05:42:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:22:40 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Carter To: list server loopers delight Subject: Eno Looooong time stretch Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QpbSu1.0.7y3.NMDOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not loop related but .... I Heard an interview with Brian Eno on Radio 4 (UK quality radio) this morning representing the Society for the Extended Present (or something similar) who are deticated to increasing the attention span. According to the interview he would like to build a clock which ticks once a year and "bongs" once a century. Is this an example of preplanned silence? Will he sample it for a composition? Is this just a means of building suspense? Should I stop listening to interviews before I'm properly awake? Jim Carter e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 06:58:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27889; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:58:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:58:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990611065107.0079d550@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:51:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Eno Looooong time stretch In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"S2yZC2.0.HM6.vXEOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You can read all about Eno's Millenium Clock commission at: or if that doesn't take you there, you can find it (and read other related pieces) through the NEWS section of the Eno Website at: Tim ps: I notice your posting contains the word "bongs"; would this be a drug reference in accordance with the previous altered-time thread? Flamethrowers: hold your fire!!! :^) At 10:22 AM 6/11/99 +0100, you wrote: >According to the interview he [Brian Eno] would like to build a clock which >ticks once a year and "bongs" once a century. >Is this an example of preplanned silence? Will he sample it for >a composition? Is this just a means of building suspense? >Should I stop listening to interviews before I'm properly awake? > >Jim Carter > >e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 07:05:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29045; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:05:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:05:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3760FA96.83F776C3@magi.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:01:27 -0500 From: d a v e X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Eno Looooong time stretch References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"osi3i.0.Lr6.MmEOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I read an article about that clock. The Clock of the Long Now or something similar. It will only need winding every 10,000 years and could withstand a hit from a nuclear missile. The organization is promoting thinking way beyond our lifetime. Planning for millennia way after we are gone. The clock is being built by the Long Now Foundation and was dreamed up by Danny Hillis. The article was in the January 1999 edition of WIRED. dave Jim Carter wrote: > Not loop related but .... > > I Heard an interview with Brian Eno on Radio 4 (UK quality radio) > this morning representing the Society for the Extended Present > (or something similar) who are deticated to increasing the > attention span. > According to the interview he would like to build a clock which > ticks once a year and "bongs" once a century. > Is this an example of preplanned silence? Will he sample it for > a composition? Is this just a means of building suspense? > Should I stop listening to interviews before I'm properly awake? > > Jim Carter > > e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 07:47:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01999; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:47:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:47:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:37:53 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP Sighting... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"X6chq1.0.QD.3LFOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I got a catalog in the mail that indicates that Eastcoast Music Mall has or recently had an Echoplex Digital Pro for $490 (!), I believe the footswitch was somewhere in the low hundred dollar range. Someone go grab it before it vanishes. Re: TMJ - I learned to unlearn that habit of clenching my jaw. Eventually I just learned to play with my mouth hanging open, drooling on my guitar and other equipment. Seriously, it took a long time to get over that one. Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 08:41:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09082; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:41:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:41:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906111220.IAA09583@ligarius-fe0.ultra.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:22:19 -0400 Subject: Re: EDP form A From: "sandro" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8htfc3.0.WW1.xxFOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello David, here we go with my form A, 100% committed... please do not post personal data [address, phones and email] on any public place FORM A A. "ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITED TO BUY AN EDP IF I CAN FIND ONE" ORDERS FORM Please provide the following details in the following format: A. NAME:sandro scoccia A. MAILING ADDRESS:122 calumet street #2, Boston, MA 02120 A. DAY PHONE:617-747-2039 A. NIGHT PHONE:617-989-0786 A. E-MAIL:sscoccia@ma.ultranet.com A. NUMBER OF EDP'S YOU WANT TO ORDER:1 with footswitch A. DATE YOU SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO GROUP BUY II:6/11/99 A. HOW MANY EDP'S DO YOU ALREADY OWN?0 A. DO YOU ALREADY OWN ANOTHER "LOOPER"?akai headrush A. WHAT INSTRUMENT(S) DO YOU PLAY?electric bass --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 10:36:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28137; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:36:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:36:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <006a01beb413$117d8690$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: My Loop Boxes Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:02:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"D7UVj3.0.yj5.LZHOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I've had a Digitech RPS 8000 for a verry long time, 3 Jam Men, and two >Echoplexes, one Vortex....none of them have found it neccessary to do any >drugs...let's get back to gear.... OK, Patrick, you've got my interest. Can you please post a detailed description of how your set-up is configured, i.e., a system diagram? Also, please describe how you find some real-estate to stand amongst all the footpedals. :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 10:51:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31405; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:51:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:51:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990611152646.006ad660@email.aon.at> X-Sender: aon.912027787@email.aon.at X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:39:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: haeusle Subject: sex, drugs & rock'n'roll ...probably off topic? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dNQkc.0.6N6.zmHOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi everyone! i followed this drug-thread and came (once again) to the conclusion that everybody has to make up his own mind. yeah, some out there have had any experiences with drugs, some still use 'em and most of us have a beer once in a while... a lot of people in my area take drugs (in fact my home town is on the top of some kind of drug-statistics) and you can get them everywhere. every once in a while i ask myself why all these people around me use drugs (including alcohol), but sometimes i even understand them. for my part i found out that this stuff doesn'do any good inside my head. in fact music is the best *drug* i found so far. every concert is a totally different experience without any of these substances. it's just great when artists on stage (or myself) have the ability to take my mind to other spheres, when you don't think about all-days-problems anymore, when music just... you all know what i mean... it was really nice to hear that some people out there (hi Dennis!) made the same experiences. on the other hand there are a lot of artists (not just musicians) who (say that they) need *something* to activate creativity, become more sensitiv or whatever. can you imagine pink floyd's 'the wall' without lsd? what about howie b. (what a great LOOPER!!!), tricky or massive attack? even the beatles were known to be consumers of some type of green cigarets... might be that my surounding made my blunted, but as long as others don't get on my nerves with their habits (not just drugs) i don't care about it. lorenz ... i think that was off topic... sorry! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 10:52:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31494; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:52:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:52:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:19:18 +0800 Message-Id: <199906111419.WAA26561@salsa.iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) From: trent1@iinet.net.au To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: trent1@iinet.net.au Subject: "The Unbearable Lightness of Trying to Buy an EDP in Australia Resent-Message-ID: <"pfE_y.0.k66.yhHOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everyone, Trent humphreys from Australia here,My god you have no idea how hard it is to get an EDP in Australia at the moment!!! Could someone in the know please explain?!!! And this is an incredibly valuable site guys, I'm a looping busker from Western Australia, and it's great to be connecting with likeminded people! -www.imago.com.au/vrl/trent Cheers! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 11:01:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01161; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:01:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:01:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Nathan Herrera'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FW: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you received f rom Nathan Herrera Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:29:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"iP15n3.0.5g6._sHOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nathan, I must confess I don't understand why you sent me an e-mail with nothing in it except this attachment for this virus-laden file. It's as if you specifically were trying to give me this virus. And then you sent me a "100%" request to buy an EDP. Did you know you were sending me a virus file? -----Original Message----- From: NAV for Microsoft Exchange-BOS-MAIL Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 10:17 AM To: David Kirkdorffer Subject: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you received. Norton AntiVirus found the "Happy99.Worm" virus in the attachment "Happy99.exe". The file was Quarantined. Sender of the infected attachment: Nathan Herrera Subject of the message: Re: EDP -- Group Buy II (form A) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 11:38:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07981; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:38:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:38:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003a01beb41d$0d479980$7400a8c0@ws103> From: "Trevor Hartsell" To: References: Subject: Re: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you received from Nathan Herrera Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:14:03 -0700 Organization: http://www.introvert.org/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"9R09O1.0.br.PVIOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David, I believe Happy99.exe is the infamous "Melissa Virus" that you may have heard about in the news last month. It emails itself to people in the infectee's address book automatically, so I seriously doubt that Nathan knew he sent it to you. Regards, Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Nathan Herrera' ; Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 7:29 AM Subject: FW: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you received from Nathan Herrera > Nathan, > > I must confess I don't understand why you sent me an e-mail with nothing in > it except this attachment for this virus-laden file. > > It's as if you specifically were trying to give me this virus. > > And then you sent me a "100%" request to buy an EDP. > > Did you know you were sending me a virus file? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAV for Microsoft Exchange-BOS-MAIL > Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 10:17 AM > To: David Kirkdorffer > Subject: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you received. > > > Norton AntiVirus found the "Happy99.Worm" virus in the attachment > "Happy99.exe". > The file was Quarantined. > > Sender of the infected attachment: Nathan Herrera > Subject of the message: Re: EDP -- Group Buy II (form A) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 11:41:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08838; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:41:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:41:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BEB42E.FB3E1E00.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: who's Robert Poss? Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:21:52 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1QFxY1.0.L-.4XIOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does anyone happen to know Robert Poss? He's a guitarist from NY and will do a concert here in Cologne/Germany tomorrow, as part of an avantgarde festival. Is it worth going? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 11:55:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11875; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:55:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:55:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'ld thomson'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "'newsletter@elephant-talk.com'" Subject: RE: Adrian Belew's Loops -- Review of show in Cambridge, MA -- Ju ne 10, 1999 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:25:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"t5SXc1.0.AW1.rhIOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I saw the Adrian Belew Show last night at The Middle East rock club in Cambridge, MA. To me the night displayed well Adrian's Hendix-meets-McCartney-on-Vaudeville persona. He's like an incandescant smile in a dark room. Good lord he can play guitar like no-one else. When he solo's he's got all manner of facility to what he plays. His peppy, chatty manner was very much in contrast to the standard fare heard at The Middle East. Sonically, the room is a hard one to balance and to make sound good. Indeed, every act I see that brings its own sound person to this club sounds from bad to worse. Last night was one of the worst. No low-end, soupy and WAY BRITE! Adrian had three guitar set-ups on stage. Two acoustic (a dobro, and a taylor) and one electric. Two Johnson Millennium amps, each with an extension 2x12 cabinet, were arranged in a semi-circle behind Mr. B and on top of a new black rug to keep Andrian's stuff clean and separated from beaten stage-boards that will have seem all manner of wetness and wear. Belewps were evidenced as Adrian played songs from his 20 years in Rock. Belewps were not ambient at all, but rather riffs and chords which Adrian could add to and use to support the songs he played. No floaty tinklings here. I couldn't run down all the tunes, as many were unfamilar to me. But I can say the tunes from his first two records are dear to me and took me back to a different time. He also played Krimson songs including Neal & Jack and Me and Dinosaur (which started on acoustic and ended on electric). Pre-recorded drums supported a few tunes. Adrian chatted between tunes. He asked if anyone had questions. Unlike the decorous assemblys at Robert Fripp's solo shows, this was a more rock and rowdy crowd. Adrian mentioned that he's involved in five different solo projects, which when you think about it makes one smile. The Bears will have a new album. Also, he promises that when Robert visits him next, they will write a song together. He mentioned his next big tour will be with Krimson. When asked, Adrian said his favorite guitarists in clude Hendrix and Jeff Beck and Robert Fripp -- and that when he met Jeff Beck recently, Jeff complimented him on his playing. The encore was a bit staged, as some of the room had started to clear out, when lo! he was back and playing again. A few times we were reminded of the consession table and that he'd be out after the show to chat and sign stuff. I was happy to shake his hand and ask if he would like to endorse the EDP. He said yes. I'll be following up on that with Stan, his management. Overall, a unique and entertaining evening from a unique and entertaining man. David Kirkdorffer UNDO -----Original Message----- From: ld thomson [mailto:heatshrink@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 4:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Adrian Belew's Loops I pulled this off the Adrian Belew web site, thought it might be of some interest to you all. Q- So the sound inspires a musical counterpoint, as opposed to you writing a song and then searching for some sounds to make it work. Belew - "Actually, I do both things. But it's very convenient for me if, when I find a new sound, generally I'm playing something and think "This is cool, I ought to write a song with this." But if I've already written a song and I know I want to take the guitar in a certain direction, then I can sit down and design that sound for it. Right now, I'm using a new amplifier called the Johnson Millennium. It has wonderful built-in effects, which are going to be very helpful for me to create the next generation of guitar sounds I'll work from. A recent discovery that I made, which is really helping me a lot, is ways to use loops, which I comically call "Belewps." And the loops systems I've been doing have been ones that are not static. Normally you think of a loop and you play something into it and it plays that back internally. I've been trying to work with loops you can interact with-add to, interrupt, and constantly change-while you're playing. This is all done with an expression pedal: Every time you bring the expression pedal in, you're tapping into the loop, turning it on or off, or adding to it." Q - Do you ever do something where you might use some kind of distortion or other modulation effects into the loop and play over the loop with a different kind of sound? Belew - "That's what I am doing. The Johnson Millennium comes with a pedalboard, and you can determine whether or nor something is being turned on or off by manner of a normal footswitch, by manner of a momentary switch, so that it's just being turned on as you're stepping on it, or by hooking it to an expression pedal. Now, the loop is already on the expression pedal. On the other footswitches, I usually have something like another delay, distortion, and perhaps a very interesting-sounding chorus. Because I've found it helps to separate. Once you have a loop you want to play something to, you can either sound like you're doubling it, or you can play against it, almost like Robert Fripp and I play sometimes-the same lines a little out of synch with each other-or you can choose a sound that's so different from it that it really does sound like two completely independent guitar players." _____________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 12:07:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14950; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:07:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:07:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906111554.AAA13134@mail.st.rim.or.jp> Subject: Re: who's Robert Poss? Date: Sat, 12 Jun 99 00:57:40 -0000 x-sender: liminal@mail.st.rim.or.jp x-mailer: Claris Emailer-J 2.0v2 From: Yoshiaki Matsumoto To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"gwTxT2.0.bs2.y4JOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I believe he's the guitar player from the Band of Susans. Whether you should go would depend on what kind of music you're into... If names like Thurston Moore, Bruce Gilbert, or Nicolas Collins come to mind, then his music may or may not interest you. I can't be any more concrete than this since I have no idea what his set would be like. >does anyone happen to know Robert Poss? He's a guitarist from NY and will >do a concert here in Cologne/Germany tomorrow, as part of an avantgarde >festival. Is it worth going? > >-Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 12:10:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15530; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:10:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:10:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:18:43 -0300 Message-ID: <0000FC33.C22133@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re:"The Unbearable Lightness of Trying to Buy an EDP in Aust To: trent1@iinet.net.au, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"9g2NT.0.gs1.GpIOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In 1997 I met an australian busker playing in Barcelona (Ramblas), his name was Lindsay Buckland and he was using a JamMan and a lap dulcimer with a strap (played like a guitar), magnetic pick up and Rolan GR somethig. Intresting coincidence with Trent's set up. Miguel ____________________Separador de Resposta____________________ Assunto: "The Unbearable Lightness of Trying to Buy an EDP in Austral Autor: trent1@iinet.net.au Data: 11/06/1999 10:55 Hi everyone, Trent humphreys from Australia here,My god you have no idea how hard it is to get an EDP in Australia at the moment!!! Could someone in the know please explain?!!! And this is an incredibly valuable site guys, I'm a looping busker from Western Australia, and it's great to be connecting with likeminded people! -www.imago.com.au/vrl/trent Cheers! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 12:33:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19635; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:33:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:33:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37613136.D66BA88@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:54:30 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you received from Nathan Herrera References: <003a01beb41d$0d479980$7400a8c0@ws103> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7090S2.0.j13.w7JOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com as a happy99 alumi I can report that it is not the melissia. I would recommend that everyone thats online obtain and update their virus protection as there is many new and more dangorous virus's out there now. Info on the happy99,exe can be found at; http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/3652/SKA.HTM jd Trevor Hartsell wrote: > David, I believe Happy99.exe is the infamous "Melissa Virus" that you may > have heard about in the news last month. > It emails itself to people in the infectee's address book automatically, so > I seriously doubt that Nathan knew he sent it to you. > > Regards, > Trevor > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Kirkdorffer > To: 'Nathan Herrera' ; > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 7:29 AM > Subject: FW: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you received > from Nathan Herrera > > > Nathan, > > > > I must confess I don't understand why you sent me an e-mail with nothing > in > > it except this attachment for this virus-laden file. > > > > It's as if you specifically were trying to give me this virus. > > > > And then you sent me a "100%" request to buy an EDP. > > > > Did you know you were sending me a virus file? > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NAV for Microsoft Exchange-BOS-MAIL > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 10:17 AM > > To: David Kirkdorffer > > Subject: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you received. > > > > > > Norton AntiVirus found the "Happy99.Worm" virus in the attachment > > "Happy99.exe". > > The file was Quarantined. > > > > Sender of the infected attachment: Nathan Herrera > > Subject of the message: Re: EDP -- Group Buy II (form A) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 12:36:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20300; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:36:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:36:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:59:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Re: who's Robert Poss? In-Reply-To: <01BEB42E.FB3E1E00.mpeters@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"fx6ri2.0.2A3.5AJOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Robert Poss -is best known as leader of semi obscure Band of Susans -based in nyc in the mid eighties early nineties -most people describe them as sort of more melodic -anti dissonant sonic youth he favors a interesting use of sustain -harmonic content in his guitar playing composing -very rich with overtones -uses G&l axes & marshall or park amps think he plyed with Branca -definetly has worked with Rhys Chatham-Phill Niblock-Nicholas Collins saw him play here in Louisville with BOS around 94 -good show saw him play at Experimental Intermedia in NYC in march -LOTS of looping gear (at least 3 JM boomerrang etc),effects & modular electonics -- think hes recording other folks work as much as performing -- it should be interesting K At 05:21 PM 6/11/99 +0200, you wrote: >does anyone happen to know Robert Poss? He's a guitarist from NY and will >do a concert here in Cologne/Germany tomorrow, as part of an avantgarde >festival. Is it worth going? > >-Michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 12:41:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21516; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:41:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:41:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37613649.5BACFD1D@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:16:09 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew's Loops -- Review of show in Cambridge, MA -- June 10, 1999 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3bgJ83.0.rB4.6SJOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thank for the review. I am going to see him next Thursday. I have seen him solo and with the Bears and man o man can that guy entertain or what? jeff David Kirkdorffer wrote: > I saw the Adrian Belew Show last night at The Middle East rock club in > Cambridge, MA. > > To me the night displayed well Adrian's Hendix-meets-McCartney-on-Vaudeville > persona. He's like an incandescant smile in a dark room. Good lord he can > play guitar like no-one else. When he solo's he's got all manner of > facility to what he plays. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 13:21:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30466; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:21:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:21:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: floyd@voicenet.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 17:02:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19990611170215.9690.qmail@unix01.voicenet.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message .... Resent-Message-ID: <"xOVA63.0.mM6.P5KOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > David, I believe Happy99.exe is the infamous "Melissa Virus" that you may > have heard about in the news last month. No. Happy99.exe is the Happy99 worm. It infects your computer when you run the happy99.exe program. Meliisa is a different but similar worm. It infects your computer when you open the Micro$oft Wrod .doc file that is attached to the message. But it will not infect your computer if you have virus protection option turned on in your Word 97 program (i.e. the option to automatically run Word file macros is turned off). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 13:24:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30918; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:24:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:24:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C046@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> From: "Wordsman, Lee" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Adrian Belew's Loops -- Review of show in Cambridge, MA -- Ju ne 10, 1999 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:17:58 -0400 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"yD0kD.0.977.WHKOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know what/where to find Adrain's tour schedule. I'm in NYC and would love the chance to see him. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Duke [mailto:jmar@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 12:16 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Adrian Belew's Loops -- Review of show in > Cambridge, MA -- > June 10, 1999 > > > thank for the review. I am going to see him next Thursday. I > have seen him solo > and with the Bears and man o man can that guy entertain or what? > > jeff > > David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > I saw the Adrian Belew Show last night at The Middle East > rock club in > > Cambridge, MA. > > > > To me the night displayed well Adrian's > Hendix-meets-McCartney-on-Vaudeville > > persona. He's like an incandescant smile in a dark room. > Good lord he can > > play guitar like no-one else. When he solo's he's got all manner of > > facility to what he plays. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 13:27:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31726; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:27:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:27:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Nathan Herrera'" , "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you received f rom Nathan Herrera Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:17:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"LBX4G1.0.uI7.sKKOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nathan - My appologies to you. I was not aware of how this virus "uses" a host e-mail and propogates itself without the host knowing. Again, my apologies. David Kirkdorffer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- David: we just came off a spate of Happy99 in the didgeridoo newsgroup and the virus automatically mails itself (in a separate message) to whoever the infected party e-mails was'nt Nathan's intent--just the blind desire of that little scrap of code to LOOP drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 10:29 AM To: 'Nathan Herrera'; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FW: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you received from Nathan Herrera Nathan, I must confess I don't understand why you sent me an e-mail with nothing in it except this attachment for this virus-laden file. It's as if you specifically were trying to give me this virus. And then you sent me a "100%" request to buy an EDP. Did you know you were sending me a virus file? -----Original Message----- From: NAV for Microsoft Exchange-BOS-MAIL Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 10:17 AM To: David Kirkdorffer Subject: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you received. Norton AntiVirus found the "Happy99.Worm" virus in the attachment "Happy99.exe". The file was Quarantined. Sender of the infected attachment: Nathan Herrera Subject of the message: Re: EDP -- Group Buy II (form A) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 13:53:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05165; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:53:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:53:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:31:26 -0400 (EDT) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199906111731.NAA01738@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"bpDP62.0.o7.1WKOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #118 June 10, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Neu Harmony recording group, AirSculpture. Adrian Beasley, John Christian, and Peter Ruczynski totally improvise their music! The feature CD at midnight was Attrition System. AirSculpture : http://www.softbase.co.uk/as Neu Harmony : http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Ron Boots & Friends Sonic Scenery part 2 Joie de Vivre (Groove) Telomere Timelapse Astral Currents (Evenfall) VA [Temps Perdu?] Timepool Soundscape Gallery Volume 3 (Lektronic Soundscapes) Deborah Martin Deep Roots, Hidden Water Deep Roots, Hidden Water (Spotted Peccary) Bjorn Folgelberg sixfiveoneoh KarooshiPorn (Ninetysix Sounds) VA [Vidna Obmana] Closing Collage Ambient Intimicy Volume 3 (EE Tapes) 12:00 am AirSculpture Amazonian Lepidoptera Attrition System (Neu Harmony) Theorise on Chaos AirSculpture Syzygy Attrition System (Neu Harmony) AirSculpture Slow Glass Attrition System (Neu Harmony) AirSculpture Gegenschein Attrition System (Neu Harmony) AirSculpture Void Attrition System (Neu Harmony) AirSculpture Attrition System Attrition System (Neu Harmony) AirSculpture Malebranche * Attrition System (Neu Harmony) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on the British group AirSculpture. The Feature CD at Midnight will be Europa on Neu Harmony. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 14:06:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07753; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:06:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:06:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37614853.60CDB90D@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:33:07 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew's Loops -- Review of show in Cambridge, MA -- June 10, 1999 References: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C046@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"y5l7U3.0.aN.YaKOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Its at his website. This should get you there. http://www.murple.com/adrianbelew/tour.htm jd "Wordsman, Lee" wrote: > Does anyone know what/where to find Adrain's tour schedule. I'm in NYC and > would love the chance to see him. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeff Duke [mailto:jmar@bellsouth.net] > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 12:16 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Re: Adrian Belew's Loops -- Review of show in > > Cambridge, MA -- > > June 10, 1999 > > > > > > thank for the review. I am going to see him next Thursday. I > > have seen him solo > > and with the Bears and man o man can that guy entertain or what? > > > > jeff > > > > David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > > > I saw the Adrian Belew Show last night at The Middle East > > rock club in > > > Cambridge, MA. > > > > > > To me the night displayed well Adrian's > > Hendix-meets-McCartney-on-Vaudeville > > > persona. He's like an incandescant smile in a dark room. > > Good lord he can > > > play guitar like no-one else. When he solo's he's got all manner of > > > facility to what he plays. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 14:33:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14093; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:33:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:33:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007001beb435$4acbf720$7400a8c0@ws103> From: "Trevor Hartsell" To: References: <19990611170215.9690.qmail@unix01.voicenet.com> Subject: Re: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message .... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:07:38 -0700 Organization: http://www.introvert.org/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"Tyuoq1.0._y1.22LOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oops, that's right. I remember now. Sorry for the erroneous information. -Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message .... > > > > David, I believe Happy99.exe is the infamous "Melissa Virus" that you may > > have heard about in the news last month. > > No. Happy99.exe is the Happy99 worm. It infects your computer when you > run the happy99.exe program. > > Meliisa is a different but similar worm. It infects your computer when you > open the Micro$oft Wrod .doc file that is attached to the message. But it > will not infect your computer if you have virus protection option turned on > in your Word 97 program (i.e. the option to automatically run Word file > macros is turned off). > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 14:35:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14411; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:35:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:35:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Jim Carter'" , list server loopers delight Subject: RE: CLOCK - Eno Looooong time stretch Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:16:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"iCzJK3.0.5b2.oBLOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com He's kicked the idea around for a while -- at least since 1996 where he mentions it in his Diary. One of the goals of the project is to create something that has a very long arc of continuity. And in so doing creates a unity across large time-scales. It's an attempt to thwart the ever increasing pressures to experience immediate and fleeting events. This one would be something that generations of people could share the same way. David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Jim Carter [mailto:Jim.Carter@bristol.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 5:23 AM To: list server loopers delight Subject: Eno Looooong time stretch Not loop related but .... I Heard an interview with Brian Eno on Radio 4 (UK quality radio) this morning representing the Society for the Extended Present (or something similar) who are deticated to increasing the attention span. According to the interview he would like to build a clock which ticks once a year and "bongs" once a century. Is this an example of preplanned silence? Will he sample it for a composition? Is this just a means of building suspense? Should I stop listening to interviews before I'm properly awake? Jim Carter e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 14:54:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18790; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:54:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:54:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906111834.OAA14273@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: Re: EDP Sighting... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 99 11:33:59 -0700 x-sender: matt@mail1.xoom.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Matt Peterson To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"LAhPu.0.GV3.2RLOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks, Todd. $499 it was. $99 for the footpedal. Mint condition used, orig. packing, manuals, warranty, etc. Of course, I had hoped for a brand new one (been on a waiting list many many months now) but given the current situation at Gibson, et al. I'll take what I can get. Finally, my Hammond will become a looping monster. Matt 6/11/99 4:37 AM Todd Madson (crash@waste.org) wrote: >I got a catalog in the mail that indicates that Eastcoast Music Mall >has or recently had an Echoplex Digital Pro for $490 (!), I believe >the footswitch was somewhere in the low hundred dollar range. > >Someone go grab it before it vanishes. > >Re: TMJ - I learned to unlearn that habit of clenching my jaw. >Eventually I just learned to play with my mouth hanging open, >drooling on my guitar and other equipment. Seriously, it took >a long time to get over that one. > >Todd Madson >Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. >http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html Matt Peterson Project Manager, Media Services XOOM.com, Inc. 300 Montgomery St., 3rd Floor San Francisco CA 94104 415-288-2505 FAX: 415-288-2575 matt@xoom.com NASDAQ: XMCM From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 15:02:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20432; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:02:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:02:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990611184406.80994.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.172] From: Joseph Buck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: CLOCK - Eno Looooong time stretch Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:44:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"h-5Up3.0.N64.aaLOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey All- That interview is available for today only at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/audio/r4today/r4today.ram Its about 2 hours and 21 minutes in. selam, Buck >From: David Kirkdorffer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "'Jim Carter'" , list server loopers >delight >Subject: RE: CLOCK - Eno Looooong time stretch >Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:16:21 -0400 > >He's kicked the idea around for a while -- at least since 1996 where he >mentions it in his Diary. One of the goals of the project is to create >something that has a very long arc of continuity. And in so doing creates a >unity across large time-scales. > >It's an attempt to thwart the ever increasing pressures to experience >immediate and fleeting events. > >This one would be something that generations of people could share the same >way. > >David Kirkdorffer > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Carter [mailto:Jim.Carter@bristol.ac.uk] >Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 5:23 AM >To: list server loopers delight >Subject: Eno Looooong time stretch > > >Not loop related but .... > >I Heard an interview with Brian Eno on Radio 4 (UK quality radio) >this morning representing the Society for the Extended Present >(or something similar) who are deticated to increasing the >attention span. >According to the interview he would like to build a clock which >ticks once a year and "bongs" once a century. >Is this an example of preplanned silence? Will he sample it for >a composition? Is this just a means of building suspense? >Should I stop listening to interviews before I'm properly awake? > > >Jim Carter > >e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 16:35:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07773; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:35:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:35:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:12:10 -0400 (EDT) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199906112012.QAA02512@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loopy Mood I'm In Resent-Message-ID: <"c6sz3.0.9P.nsMOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm in a goofy mood today. So inhale... Jim Carter said: > I Heard an interview with Brian Eno on Radio 4 (UK quality radio) > this morning representing the Society for the Extended Present > (or something similar) who are deticated to increasing the > attention span. I lost interest and moved on to another matter... ;-) Hold it... > please do not post personal data [address, phones and email] on any public > place > > FORM A > A. "ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITED TO BUY AN EDP IF I CAN FIND ONE" ORDERS FORM > > Please provide the following details in the following format: > > A. NAME:sandro scoccia Let's all call Sandro... using 1-800-COLLECT to save him money! ;-) Hold it... Dr. Michael S. Yoder said: > Actually, whatever happened to that category called "C.I.", or > "contemporary instrumental" that was supposed to be pushed by the record > companies about five years ago? They seemed in words (if not in deeds) to CI has become a sub-genre of the New Age moniker. New Age is the dumping ground for not-rock, not-pop, not-jazz, not-classical, not-soundtrack-or-musical, not-country, not-comedy, not-*... You get the picture! Hold it... Dennis Leas said: > Too many times, however, the classification is used to define the music and > musician. As if to say, "This music is X and nothing else." and "All music > must be X or not-X (can't be both!)" According to this narrow view, once a > rocker always a rocker, for example. Hey! I like BOTH kinds of music... Country AND Western! Seriously though, some artists get around being pigeon-holed by using a different pseudonym (pen name, nom de plume, alias) for each different genre they explore. If more than one genre sells big-time, then they can let the cat out of the bag and rerelease all this stuff under one name, get labeled a prolific genius who knows no boundaries, and REALLY rake it in and release whatever they want! (So long as it sells!) > Contrary to this, most musicians I know enjoy a wider variety of music than > non-players. So in reality, playing music broadens your viewpoint, not > narrows it. A landscape architect uses many types of plants. But we musicians are supposed to know and create only one type of music? Shit, you name a popular genre and I've probably performed it at one point or another! Folk, rock, country, blues, gospel, pop, classical, bluegrass, jazz, traditional, avant-garde. I imagine that most of the members of LD can say the same. Hold it... Javier Miranda V. said: > I'm saying it is "indeed a physical phenomena." What is time? What is > reality? We know from A. Einstein, may he rest in peace, even if we don't > fully understand, that time is different whether you're standing still or > moving at very fast speeds. And time flies when you're having fun. It's a perception thing. Of course, it is well documented that your state of mind can affect your physical state. OK, exhale! ...What a rush, man!! Bill >>> home: billfox@fast.net <<< work: billfox@lucent.com ============================================================================== Host of Emusic, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. ============================================================================== My radio show: http://www.wdiyfm.org My band's site: http://www.crosswinds.net/~shadowplay ============================================================================== "Alas, one must merely be entertained by the sheer pig ignorance of music industry people, which is as constant as the stars in heaven. One then must be as constant in their drive to create, despite such inane forces." Stephen Goodman * Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 Issue #219 "Those little boys don't think too much about what they say... (And how can they know what they mean before they hear what they say?)" - Heike M. Madder * Gold-Tri email list From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 16:51:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11319; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:51:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:51:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000001beb44c$d8b669a0$5996adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: , Subject: Re: "The Unbearable EDP Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:53:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Z8bIe3.0.242.jENOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well, Trent, you have no idea how tough it is to buy one here . . . ;) who's the LOOPER who elbowed ahead of me for the last EDP at EastCoast this AM?????? I paused to count my lunch money, called Fred back and it was gone :( well, they were very friendly and Morgan, their resident tweaker who was full of ?s about this Looper Delight thing (promised some posts) also knows some of the Gibson (sic) crew and promised to keep us informed . . . and as for the one who did the dastardly . . . (could I maybe come over and use it when you're asleep .. . please??) drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net PS BTW Trent, I'm a didg(eridoo) player or to some, an annoyance -----Original Message----- From: trent1@iinet.net.au To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 9:56 AM Subject: "The Unbearable Lightness of Trying to Buy an EDP in Australia >Hi everyone, Trent humphreys from Australia here,My god you have no idea >how hard it is to get an EDP in Australia at the moment!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 17:12:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15255; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:12:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002901beb44f$0fc5f440$5996adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: short loop pedal FS on Harmony Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:08:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"AacPG1.0.1s2.ZTNOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com talked to this guy couple of days ago and this sounded interesting, but i've got too many short loopers on Harmony: FS: Ibanez DDL Digital Delay Asking Price: US$60 Condition: Good Age: N/A Description: Ibanez DDL Digital Delay 28ms to 1800ms. Has hold mode for looping. A few minor scratches, but otherwise in very good condition. Indestructable. $60 Also have a Roland U220 - $185, and a KAT MIDI KITI drum pad interface - $99 Seller: Dan Eaton, 603-543-3269 E-mail: col3.16@iname.com (Profile) pardon the commercial, but I'm sure someone can use it, Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 17:31:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18954; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:31:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:31:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BEB413.5B8E8E00.curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com> From: Steve Han Reply-To: "curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Cc: "'echoplex@yahoo.com'" Subject: RE: myths / Kim's feedback Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:04:23 -0700 Organization: Transworld Freight Systems X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jyyPy2.0.9W3.ggNOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Bret and Kim! I am using the stereo chord to connect the BrotherSync as Kim commented but no dice. I had talked with Mike Ayers of Gibson about 8 months ago (when I had acquired the 2nd EDP for stereo) upon which I had taken both of the units to an authorized Gibson technician to figure out the problem. When I had finally received the units back, there were no improvements except that the I/O circuitry were replaced to fix the hot, uncontrollerable levels which distorted the signal. Ever since then I've been using Midi I/O to control both units with a single pedal, connecting 1st EDP to the 2nd EDP. (side note, both EDPs have the upgrade and 198sec, although the Knobs are of different models, suggesting older production and a newer production) I've had talks with Mike Ayers since then but the conclusion was that I don't try any pieces that are more than 10 minutes long. lol. Bret, "correct value of the Sync resistors" is very interesting. I'll investigate immediately. Kim, well noted regarding the "red" buttons. I will use lighter touch with the pedal as you have suggested. I think it's because I get so excited during a performance that I stomp on the pedal in trying to match the timing. After reading your feedback, I see the benefits now. A saying pops up in my mind: "Don't look at the gift horse in the mouth" (or something like that) Thanks for the feedbacks Bret and Kim. Curbie From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 18:02:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24723; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:02:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:02:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <80e63417.2492dc58@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:40:40 EDT Subject: Re: Loopy Mood I'm In To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"4itkL3.0.n25.4AOOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/11/99 3:35:19 PM Central Daylight Time, billfox@lucent.com writes: << Shit, you name a popular genre and I've probably performed it at one point or another! Folk, rock, country, blues, gospel, pop, classical, bluegrass, jazz, traditional, avant-garde. I imagine that most of the members of LD can say the same. >> The point is to save time and perform them all simultaneously. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 17:44:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21406; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:44:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:44:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990611205917.38896.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.40.5.72] From: Philipp Zuercher To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: cancel membership Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:59:17 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"lb7On.0.h63.DZNOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry folks can't read more than 100 mails a day, so although it's been a pleasure knowing the growing lot of you meditating, sound(e)scaping loopers, I prefer to spend my time on playing... see ya later Phil ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 18:28:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29244; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:28:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:28:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376186AF.B7DEAB1E@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:59:12 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you received from Nathan Herrera References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EN4OL3.0.q06.gTOOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com BTW, there is a new and much worse e-mail virus afoot, I have gotten warnings from all over the globe. More info at; http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/story/story_3501.html jd David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Nathan - > > My appologies to you. I was not aware of how this virus "uses" a host > e-mail and propogates itself without the host knowing. > > Again, my apologies. > > David Kirkdorffer > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > David: > > we just came off a spate of Happy99 in the didgeridoo newsgroup and the > virus automatically mails itself (in a separate message) to whoever the > infected party e-mails > > was'nt Nathan's intent--just the blind desire of that little scrap of code > to LOOP > > drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Tom Lambrecht > hideo@concentric.net > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kirkdorffer > Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 10:29 AM > To: 'Nathan Herrera'; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: FW: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you received > from Nathan Herrera > > Nathan, > > I must confess I don't understand why you sent me an e-mail with nothing in > it except this attachment for this virus-laden file. > > It's as if you specifically were trying to give me this virus. > > And then you sent me a "100%" request to buy an EDP. > > Did you know you were sending me a virus file? > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAV for Microsoft Exchange-BOS-MAIL > Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 10:17 AM > To: David Kirkdorffer > Subject: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you received. > > Norton AntiVirus found the "Happy99.Worm" virus in the attachment > "Happy99.exe". > The file was Quarantined. > > Sender of the infected attachment: Nathan Herrera > Subject of the message: Re: EDP -- Group Buy II (form A) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 19:12:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03554; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:12:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:12:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:30:53 -0700 Message-ID: <001CCD2F.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Loopy Mood I'm In To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, KB305@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"B7yZ62.0.GW7.gzOOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Someone... << Shit, you name a popular genre and I've probably performed it at one point or another! Folk, rock, country, blues, gospel, pop, classical, bluegrass, jazz, traditional, avant-garde. I imagine that most of the members of LD can say the same. >> billfox@lucent.com writes: > The point is to save time and perform them all simultaneously. It seems like with looping and the crowd that frequents this list, we ARE mixing the genres all up and doing them simultaneously!.. It's the weirdest thing... I'll play my solo loop stuff and free improv, and end up using all 4-6 of my fuzzes and it all sounds really great. I get called to do a genre specific gig and end up using one clean sound, one od sound and one lead sound (Usually not a fuzz either...) It's the weirdest thing. When I've been involved in writing projects from inception, my sounds usually get incorporated, but man!.. it's amazing how the "standard" sounds of various genres, (almost) define the genre... After so many years of wacked out playing, it's (again... almost) a disappointment, kind of weird, to pull the reigns in and play "in form" on a gig. (It's also usually a lot of fun just to play and interact in any genre of music... to apply yourself to interpreting the form...) I guess if I had the time to do a variety of genre specific projects, I'd get my fill of them all and feel less constricted by any single style. Is this something the rest of you experience? -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 22:58:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03290; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:58:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:58:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002f01bead10$531268f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:39:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: vocalists? Resent-Message-ID: <"ma2Cy3.0.6y7.fWSOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:55 AM -0700 6/2/99, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >Is anybody doing loops with primarily or exclusively vocals? I.e., all or >most sounds are vocally produced? Do you have example, mp3 files, etc.? > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com this was posted a while back, but I wanted to recommend Jim Mahoney. He does solo vocals with heavy use of looping. He originally used the Paradis LoopDelay, and now uses the echoplex. He's really quite a virtuoso, with both his voice and the loops. I think the closest comparison might be Bobby McFerrin, although Jim is clearly awesome in his own right. His style has a heavy african and jazz influence, although there's quite a bit more there. There are no words, all vocalizations to create rhythms, bass lines, harmonies, melodies, etc. He uses the loops extensively to create a rich variety of parts in his compositions. Complex interlocking rhythms, harmonies, counterpart lines, etc. All interacting and evolving constantly, and very musical. It's often hard to tell what's a loop and what isn't! He creates it all on the fly, in one shot, amazing to hear, really. But above all, it's just great music, however he's doing it. I have his demo cd, I'm not sure if he has anything available commercially. (which would be quite a shame, really...he should). He doesn't seem to have a web site, but I have his email address. Hopefully he doesn't mind if I give it out: jvmahoney@mediaone.net. Perhaps he would be willing to sell some of his cds if you are interested. oh, another vocalist/looper is Siobhan Canty, who is on the Looper's Delight Volume 2 CD. If you don't have LD vol 2 yet, here's another reason why you should. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 11 23:23:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07177; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:23:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:23:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: My Loop Boxes Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:02:50 -0700 Message-ID: <000201beb480$0e6eab60$3a1ed1d1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <006a01beb413$117d8690$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"_ljlw3.0.W-.UtSOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just found a great program on the Web to make flow diagrams, and it's not so expensive. It's called "SmartDraw 4." You can create your own icons, or use some from the extensive libraries. It's really easy, and you can dump them to GIFs or JPEGs in no time. | -----Original Message----- | From: Dennis W. Leas [mailto:dennis@mdbs.com] | Sent: Friday 11 June 1999 7:03 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: My Loop Boxes ..., Patrick, you've got my interest. Can you please post a detailed | description of how your set-up is configured, i.e., a system | diagram? Also, | please describe how you find some real-estate to stand amongst all the | footpedals. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 12 11:58:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11252; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:58:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:58:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37626EEB.2FBA@voicenet.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:30:03 -0400 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Adrian Belew's one man show 6/11/99 References: <19990610205818.35869.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XOWom.0.Yj7.tzcOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A short review of last night's adrian belew show in Phila: The venue was a small nightclub. Tables everywhere with a buffet and bar. I only mention this because some people sought to keep getting up to grab more food or beer as though they were at a ball game. *Very* annoying. Nevertheless the stage was great for seeing all that was going on and the sound was great IMO. The irresponsibles opejned the show promptly at 8PM (A word of warning - if you're going to see this show be there early it really does start on time!). They played an acoustic set (guitar/bass/minimal drum kit) of entertaining pop songs with plenty of Girl/boy issues and catchy hooks. Not really my thing but they were entertaining and the playing was pretty good so this was a nice warmup for the man. Adrian belew came out onstage at 9PM sharp. At first I didn't even recognize him as he just strolled on out with no fanfare and I though he was a stagehand! he then went into a couple minutes of what i can only describe as wildass noise playing on the electric. After a few minutes he stopped and looked out in the audience and said something like "Oh sorry, I forgot you guys were out there." This pretty much set the comical/freindly tone for the evening. As stated before he had three guitars onstage. He wore the electric and woudl occasionally swing it behind him to play the taylor acoustic or what appeared to be a national steel, both of which were on stands and he stood behind them to play. He went thorough a little of everything talking to the audience between almost every song. He started with some Belewups which to my mind were simple EDP type tricks with some twists. Some of these were actual 'songs' according to him that would soon have lyrics and appear on an upcomming solo album. He then played a few songs on the acoustic ("Men in Helicopters" and "Young Lions" started it out) and then would do some more instrumentals and guitar pyrotechnics. He even played a new Bears song. He also did a couple tunes with bass and drum backing tapes doing what he called a "One man trio". While I'm not a fan of backing tapes, this went over very well given the atmosphere of the show. If you've ever seen his instructional video "How to play Electronic Guitar" then you pretty much know how he explains things. This was more a showcase for Adrian to explain his new projects than a full fledged concert and as such it was not only entertaining (the guy's got a lot of energy and a great sense of humilty) but also interesting. At one point he smiled and said "The women are probably wondering 'Why is he doing that?' while the men are wondering, 'How did he say he did that?'". This was probably true. Other highlights included a noisefest of loops he called "Madness" which he ended when the phone that was placed on stage rang and he went over to pick it up. "That was Governor Tom Ridge, " he said, "he asked me to stop doing that." A little entertainment never hurt anyone. :) He also had some heartwarming things to say about Frank Zappa which came up durring the little Q&A session he did between songs. He ended the show with a great showcase of what he's all about by playing the same song (A new tune called "My Inner Man") two times. Once on acoustic and then once fully bombastic with backing tapes and live freak guitar. You couldn't even recognize it was the same song except for the chorus and just goes to show the man can sing and write a damn fine melody as well as go over the top in playing. All in all a wonderful evening. He came out after a few minutes and signed autographs and spoke to the crowd a bit. Again, he was *very* down to earth and humble (I think he actually blushed when people complimented him). One geek piece I picked up was that Adrian still plays a roland GK2 pickup in his guitar but when you look at it it looks more like a GK1 cable (Flat computer multipin thing). I asked his engineer about this and he told me they had the GK2 cable modifed on one side to a 9 Pin computer interface beecause it kept falling out in performance. Last night he was playing what appeared to be a standard issue fender start with additional electronics and the GK2 connection built into the back of it. If you've ever listened to Belew's solo albums or even been curious of his playing you owe it to yourself to check out this tour. It's like getting a personal guide through his history in recording and he even shows you a few of his tricks. Concert info can be found at: http://www.murple.com/adrianbelew/tour.htm There is also a link here for a petition to rerelease his first two solo albums. Last night he was asked about this and he jokingly said he's getting so frustrated that these aren't out he might bootleg his own records just to make them available. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 12 13:24:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23766; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 13:24:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 13:24:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990612164231.90360.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [157.161.182.242] From: rene pilloud To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looking for echoplex Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:42:30 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"GAH0v2.0.NM4.VueOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello this is rene from switzerland im trying to find a echoplex by oberheim and the according footpedal to order or buy. does anybody know where to find one??? i'm greatfull for all help thanks a lot rene ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 12 14:31:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32142; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 14:31:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 14:31:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990612142626.8920.rocketmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 07:26:26 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: help with cool edit pro mp3 encoding etc... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"4tPTT3.0.gi7.QPgOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can someone please help me? I'm using Cool Edit pro and I want to save wav to mp3. I've been to syntrillium's site and downloaded the files to add to the program but I don't know where to put them so that they will work. I'm also having trouble running any plug-ins. For some reason I can not get them to come up inside CEP. Also, can someone tell me how many chanels of audio can run through a digital cable at once? This is a stupid question I know, but I'm trying to figure out which digital mixer to use with my DAW. Any suggestions? Anyone want to trade CD's????? Dan Sumner Permagrin, New Orleans, LA(very Hot now) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 12 23:21:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07449; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:21:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3764363E.B1AD3BEC@erols.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:53:05 +0000 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Uplink Hill Access Consulting / Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, synth-diy@mailhost.bpa.nl, analogue@hyperreal.org Subject: analog items for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2Tcn63.0.Hw.wrnOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Studio cleanup sale Items of good use I no longer need. For Sale or Trade. Prices do not include postage Half of the proceeds are going to my DIY moduar and the other half to Saluki and Greyhound Rescue so hound up. Mutron Micro IV vintage envelope follower - $ 100 (this is the amount Analog Man offered me) SSM 2056 ADSR .I have enough extras. I was surprised to find out this chip is currently selling for $50. You can build a decent envelope generator with this one chip and a few components How about $40 NE 572 Audio Compander expander IC /with datasheet $10 (Is that fair ?) Polyfusion 2040 sequencer control pcb, 2042 dual row pcb sold as set only . I have no idea of what it is worth but built up the unit (AS1 -R) is now over $500 Make offer. Moog Opus 3 Owners manual (Original) $ 5 Book: John Cage, A Year From Monday. Wesleyan U Press. By John Cage, First Edition LC67-24105 No dust jacket. Make offer. Signifigant theorist, this fella was. Danelectro Tube Reverb Tank - Needs recapping and springs cleaned or replaced. This is not a willy nilly purchase, Post me if you have interest. EMS Random Voltage Generator : Needs new mains cable works great. $ 300 Polyphony Magazine an ancient artifact, great DIY ethos carried over into Electronic Musician until the early 90's $7 each If you build your own gear you will use the hell out of these. Nov/Dec 1980 Nov/ Dec 1981 Jan/ Feb 1981 July/ Aug 1981 Sept/ Oct 1981 May/ Aug 1982 Jan/ Feb 1982 Mar/April 1982 June 1983 Oct 83 Feb 84 Aug 84 Oct 84 April 85 I am up to my hips in back issues of Electronic Musician, Keyboard and Guitar Player. Rather than recycle them I would rather sell them at a fair rate. No list yet but if you have an interest please post me. Fiveman adaaxs@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 13 00:30:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21867; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:30:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:30:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JM213213@aol.com Message-ID: <147bb939.2494897a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:11:38 EDT Subject: please take me off list To: adaaxs@erols.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, synth-diy@mailhost.bpa.nl, analogue@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"ED7vL.0._q3.j-oOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com too many emails a day for me to go through From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 13 05:10:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24034; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 05:10:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 05:10:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990612232119.006bd288@email.aon.at> X-Sender: aon.912027787@email.aon.at X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 11:07:01 +0200 To: rene pilloud From: haeusle Subject: Re: Looking for echoplex Cc: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id EAA21734 Resent-Message-ID: <"UZ3Va1.0.rJ5.k5tOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi Rene! i'm from austria and also tried to get an edp! as you probably know the edp is out of production for a *little* while. i tried to order an edp at music-city köln/germany, but they told me that there has never been a unit distributed to germany 'cause there were some problems with some kind of licence (he was saying something like all products have to pass several technical tests to prove that it's a save product). i also tried other pretty good stores in germany (thoman, music shop/munich), but the answer was about the same... there are some other *happy* edp-owners here in europe, so if you guys read this, please let us know how and where you got your echoplexi/plexes as soon as the edp production will start again i'll grab some cases, hit the states for some days, buy as many edp's as possible (... due bankrpcy hopfully at least one :-)... ) and sell 'em over here. then i'm rich! lorenz At 09:42 12.06.99 PDT, you wrote: >hello > >this is rene from switzerland > >im trying to find a echoplex by oberheim and the according footpedal to >order or buy. > >does anybody know where to find one??? > >i'm greatfull for all help > >thanks a lot > > rene > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 13 07:02:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03741; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:02:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:02:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376389D0.D13@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:37:04 -0300 From: Paul Benteau Reply-To: paul.sue@ns.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SYMPA (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ada mxc expandable midi foot controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MoFzF2.0.G-7.YVuOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does any one have a manual for an ada mac foot controller? I lost mine & forget how to make the expression pedal work on the ccp inputs. I want to be able to control the volume of my yamaha g50 midi converter. Any info would be great! Thanks Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 13 07:22:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06271; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:22:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:22:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990612232119.006bd288@email.aon.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 04:03:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looking for echoplex Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id HAA03778 Resent-Message-ID: <"BWGrM3.0.Kx.1_uOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 2:07 AM -0700 6/13/99, haeusle wrote: >hi Rene! >i'm from austria and also tried to get an edp! as you probably know the edp >is out of production for a *little* while. > >i tried to order an edp at music-city köln/germany, but they told me that >there has never been a unit distributed to germany 'cause there were some >problems with some kind of licence (he was saying something like all >products have to pass several technical tests to prove that it's a save >product). >i also tried other pretty good stores in germany (thoman, music >shop/munich), but the answer was about the same... >there are some other *happy* edp-owners here in europe, so if you guys read >this, please let us know how and where you got your echoplexi/plexes I think they ordered from stores in the US that were willing to ship to europe. Shipping costs are probably not too bad these days. I think part of moving the echoplex production is to get it properly CE approved finally, although it's not the first time they've made that promise..... >as soon as the edp production will start again i'll grab some cases, hit >the states for some days, buy as many edp's as possible (... due bankrpcy >hopfully at least one :-)... ) and sell 'em over here. then i'm rich! > you would probably be a very rich man if you did this! Just don't get caught by the CE police...;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 13 08:17:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12364; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:17:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:17:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:46:55 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: Looking for echoplex Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199906130747_MC2-7933-B4BF@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id HAA09304 Resent-Message-ID: <"YZuRB3.0.fH2.KfvOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You cannot buy the EDP in Europe at this time since they do not have a CE-certificate which is mandatory now. Even before it was very hard to get your hands on one due to badly informed, overpaid distibutors. About the same goes for the Boomerang. A lot of US stores do handle overseas orders. I've dealt with Manny's, Bananas at Large and others more or less to my satisfaction. Of cause there are minor risks involved in shipment, customs, billing your credit card BEFORE you get your hands on what you want but generally US stores are quite competent and much cheaper,friendlier and more up-to-date than stores this side of the Atlantic. I didn't have to deal with guaranties etc. so far... Your joke about buying a couple of EDP's while on travel (maybe financing your trip that way) isn't even that far fetched. Right now it won't work because: a) the high exchange rate for the US $, b) unavailability of the EDP. Servus, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 13 09:43:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21733; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:43:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:43:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990613130249.006d5e5c@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 15:02:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: help with cool edit pro mp3 encoding etc... Resent-Message-ID: <"_MzLy2.0.oH4.iowOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi At 07.26 12/06/99 -0700, you wrote: > >Can someone please help me? I'm using Cool Edit pro >and I want to save wav to mp3. I've been to >syntrillium's site and downloaded the files to add to >the program but I don't know where to put them so that >they will work. no txt or doc files? maybe just exe to launch and self install? I'm also having trouble running any >plug-ins. For some reason I can not get them to come >up inside CEP. if you're talking about direct X plug ins you have to install in your PC, not directly in CEP. be sure to have a recent Direct X drivers version (5.2a at last). >Also, can someone tell me how many chanels of audio >can run through a digital cable at once? which kind of digital cable? 2 if it's a spdif connection... 8 if is lightpipe Adat... This is a >stupid question I know, but I'm trying to figure out >which digital mixer to use with my DAW. Any >suggestions? > >Anyone want to trade CD's????? samples CDs or music? ciao leo >Dan Sumner >Permagrin, New Orleans, LA(very Hot now) >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 13 09:58:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23582; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:58:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:58:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000901beb59e$9c77a6e0$437afecc@default> From: "Mark Kata" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: JamMan Sighting Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:14:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEB57D.147B0AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"T8D1g3.0.hW4.IxwOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEB57D.147B0AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's a JamMan with extended memory for sale at: Brockton Music Works 1753 S. Main St. Brockton, MA 02401 Phone: (508) 580-0088 Fax: (508) 580-0179 Asking price: $995.00 US ???!!! Don't e-mail me about it. I just saw the ad on page 63 of the June/July = 1999 issue of Musicians Hotline. Mark Kata ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEB57D.147B0AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There's a JamMan with extended = memory for sale=20 at:
 
Brockton Music Works
1753 S. Main St.
Brockton,  MA  = 02401
Phone:  (508) 580-0088
Fax:  (508) 580-0179
 
Asking price:  $995.00 US  = ???!!!
 
Don't e-mail me about it.  I just saw the ad on = page 63=20 of the June/July 1999 issue of Musicians Hotline.
 
Mark Kata
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEB57D.147B0AA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 13 16:49:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12595; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:49:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:49:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990613224208.006cc804@email.aon.at> X-Sender: aon.912027787@email.aon.at X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:42:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: haeusle Subject: Re: Looking for echoplex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"olkrx3.0._J2.qH1Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>as soon as the edp production will start again i'll grab some cases, hit >>the states for some days, buy as many edp's as possible (... due bankrpcy >>hopfully at least one :-)... ) and sell 'em over here. then i'm rich! >> > >you would probably be a very rich man if you did this! Just don't get >caught by the CE police...;-) > >kim > that's what capitalism is all about *rofl* lorenz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 13 17:11:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16022; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:11:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:11:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990613205358.75449.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.40.5.77] From: Philipp Zuercher To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Delete from list Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:53:58 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"M-R0u.0.yH3.Gg1Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Pleeeeease.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 13 17:43:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20586; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:43:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:43:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <139d1fbf.24957a71@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:19:45 EDT Subject: Re: Delete from list To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"Q2Jzw2.0.GF4.b22Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/13/99 8:11:59 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, zurrigo@hotmail.com writes: << Pleeeeease.... >> was it all the drug talk i wonder?........................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 13 21:25:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20072; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:25:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:25:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37644FC7.C267A4FF@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:41:43 -0400 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: Zoom 2100 or Headrush Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YvNdX2.0.X_2.k_4Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm looking to get some more delay time worked into my set-up and was curious if anyone had an opinion as to the merits of the Zoom 2100 versus the Akai Headrush. The Zoom has a few extras, the Akai has more loopable delay time and costs about $30 more. I know this has already been discussed a bit recently so mainly I'm interested in any tricks that users of either have discovered that aren't necessarily obvious (delay time is obvious, but odd ways to warp the delay, etc. wouldn't be. Something like that.) Decisions decisions. And, in an effort to raise the $$$ to pay for these or other delays (the more the merrier), I have a short list of CDs for sale. Email me privately if interested (no loop music, but plenty of loopy music). Kevin@minds-eye.org Thanks Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 13 21:32:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21704; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:32:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:32:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990614003408.13896.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:34:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: 7.6 Time machine To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"1Z6pI.0.iN3.d85Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---Kim Flint wrote: > > At 9:58 AM -0700 6/10/99, Jeff Duke wrote: > >I have a question for some of you tech guys. I have two 7.6'rs but one > >is real strong ; if I set it to 50% mix its even. It has great feedback > >9-10 repeats at full and a bit more delay time than 7.6. > >The other one is weak on all these points. The question; is there a way > >to obtain and replace the memory and could this be the problem; weak > >chip? > > something like this wouldn't be memory. I don't know the digitech circuit, > so I can't tell you what to do. But I'm guessing it does feedback in > analog, so there is some amplifier circuit that sets this feedback gain. > Somehow, the gain in the one unit is off, and it can't reach it's max > value. It probably even has a small potentiometer on the board used to > calibrate this, and the pot in your unit has gotten off from the proper > setting. Yes, there are small trim-pots on the board that can be adjusted for both more time (I think I got about 10.5 sec out of one) and more feedback (all the way up to Godzilla stomping on Tokyo run-a-way feedback). The problem is that the more feedback and time you give it, the worse the signal degrades in quality, so don't expect pristine sound from the additional time and/or feedback. I think that if you call up digitech, they can tell you which pots to tweak. It's worth doing. Good luck! 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 13 22:32:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32135; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:32:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:32:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:00:06 EDT Subject: Re: help with cool edit pro mp3 encoding etc... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"WyBH92.0.5h6.V96Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/12/99 1:31:11 PM Central Daylight Time, permadan@yahoo.com writes: << Can someone please help me? I'm using Cool Edit pro and I want to save wav to mp3. I >> I use cooledit too, but I found some freeware that works well, a program called MPlifier. I found it through AOL's software library, you should be able to find it on the web. If you can't, let me know and I'll mail you a copy. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 00:12:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14787; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:12:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:12:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801beb619$747f73e0$e58a99d1@u01vj> From: "Pete" To: "loopers" Subject: $995.00 US!! 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEB5F7.EC3071E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 00:51:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24301; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:51:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:51:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <59332a94.2495d923@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:03:47 EDT Subject: so im in BOSTON, now what To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL NetMail version 2.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"SjDLA.0.tJ3.az7Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com im in boston for a week(new england conservatory contemp piano seminar) im staying in salem but going into the city during the day can anybody reccomend any avant or experimental music clubs to go to? also, all this week(for those of you who live in boston)theres going to be free concerts at 8 every night at NEC , the piano music of cage performed by drury and others even the people in the seminar will perform(on friday, woohoo) rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 00:59:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25450; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:59:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:59:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37649561.B8081B1B@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:38:40 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: $995.00 US!! References: <000801beb619$747f73e0$e58a99d1@u01vj> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oN0WZ.0.YV5.hR8Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm selling mine for (holds pinkie up to corner of mouth) one million dollars! Dr. Evil From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 01:02:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26345; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 01:02:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 01:02:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990614142944.0068c280@popa.melbpc.org.au> X-Sender: revery@popa.melbpc.org.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:29:44 +1000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: R Every Subject: Re: Re: EDP Problem (loop fade) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3YNtQ1.0.S-4.yJ8Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just great to see another mailing list quietly doing the impossible. Community building, idea sharing and tech support all wonderfully tangled up. Anyway, I have exactly the loop fade problems described in the list with the EDP (purchased new a few months ago in Australia, V5, Serial # EDP 2513). Below are my experiences with it, in the hope that it will help find a solution. I rarely turn the EDP off, except to clear this problem, so I'm not sure about the warming up part. My experience has been that powering the EDP off and back on sometimes clears the problem, but sometimes only partly clears it, or has no effect. Better result if I do a power on with the params button on, but sometimes that doesn't change the low output level either. If I wait a minute with it powered down before powering up (with params pressed) it seems to clear completely every time (hmm, so heat has to be part of the equation somewhere?). Other observations: The fading happens to a lot of my loops, not just occaisonaly Increase in hissing noise as loop content fades Fade is noticeable after a short time, and usually barely audible the next day (sometimes it lasts longer) The feedback light doesn't fade, just the music output level to the amp. I have filled memory to the max. Had some inconsistent distortion problems at first, but apparently cleared with re-seating the memory chips. I play fairly open single note guitar lines to build loops, with gaps, soft starts, long held notes fading away, etc. Is it my imagination or do the volume levels change a bit randomly on each loop cycle? I did see a list item on this in the archive suggesting that overdriving the input levels can trigger the problem. This is quite plausible in my case. I'm using an electric guitar as the main input, and I like to work with a large dynamic range. (There is a bit of an issue with low levels and rough cutting-in on swells, but perhaps one thing at a time.) Hope this helps find a solution. Reading the Loopers EDP FAQ, it feels like this problem (and perhaps the rough cut-in on swells) is a bit of a blast from the past. Ray. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 02:00:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03528; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:00:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:00:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005401beb626$03bec900$0469aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <37644FC7.C267A4FF@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 or Headrush Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:23:14 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"29hLP.0.LC7.k99Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have very little experience with the Zoom 2100 so I can't give an honest comparative analysis. Everything I initially said about the Headrush (see the Loopers page) still holds true. The one aspect I've really enjoyed is the Tape Echo mode and the Damping function which allows for the delay feedback signal to be softened. I use my Headrush in conjunction with a DOD Dimension 12 and, by using the damping, I can emphasize one loop over another. Of course, the extra delay time is a major plus as well. > I'm looking to get some more delay time worked into my set-up and was > curious if anyone had an opinion as to the merits of the Zoom 2100 > versus the Akai Headrush. The Zoom has a few extras, the Akai has more > loopable delay time and costs about $30 more. I know this has already > been discussed a bit recently so mainly I'm interested in any tricks > that users of either have discovered that aren't necessarily obvious > (delay time is obvious, but odd ways to warp the delay, etc. wouldn't > be. Something like that.) Decisions decisions. > > > And, in an effort to raise the $$$ to pay for these or other delays (the > more the merrier), I have a short list of CDs for sale. Email me > privately if interested (no loop music, but plenty of loopy music). > > Kevin@minds-eye.org > > Thanks > > Kevin > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 02:20:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07251; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:20:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:20:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006301beb626$4175bc40$0469aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: "Loopers" Subject: Useable DOD D12 Flaw Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:24:57 -0700 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01BEB5EB.917BBC20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"cD90o2.0.XH7.MB9Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BEB5EB.917BBC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings: For any of you who use a DOD D12, I discovered a flaw that I have been = able to use to my advantage. Forgive me if this is common knowledge.=20 =20 I use the delay mode almost exclusively for looping (the sampler sucks). = I had the delay time set to 12 seconds and the looping button engaged = which allows for playing over the top of recorded loops without adding = additional recording. As I was looping, I accidentally hit the Mix dial = which balances the direct signal with the delay signal. I bumped the mix = all the way to the right (nothing audible but delay signal). The = suddeness of the bump caused a slight delay time variation in the = recorded loop, thus giving it a tonal wobble that was now permanently = part of the loop. At first, I was pissed off because I was really = digging the loop I was working on. However, I realized that by rapidly = "jiggling" the mix dial, I could make some cool distortions in the loop, = kind of like an irratic LFO wave. The D12 does have an effect mode that = does some generic manipulation but this manual "jiggling" is a bit more = quirky and fun. As some may know, the D12 is definitely the low-budget = looping tool in comparison to an EDP or Jamman. However, sometimes the = faults of the cheaper toys can be blessings in disguise. Regards, Alan Imberg ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BEB5EB.917BBC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings:
For any of you who use a DOD D12, I discovered a = flaw that I=20 have been able to use to my advantage. Forgive me if this is common = knowledge.=20
 
I use the delay mode almost exclusively for looping = (the=20 sampler sucks). I had the delay time set to 12 seconds and the looping = button=20 engaged which allows for playing over the top of recorded loops without = adding=20 additional recording. As I was looping, I accidentally hit the Mix dial = which=20 balances the direct signal with the delay signal. I bumped the mix all = the way=20 to the right (nothing audible but delay signal). The suddeness of the = bump=20 caused a slight delay time variation in the recorded loop, thus giving = it a=20 tonal wobble that was now permanently part of the loop. At first, I was = pissed=20 off because I was really digging the loop I was working on. However, I = realized=20 that by rapidly "jiggling" the mix dial, I could make some cool = distortions in=20 the loop, kind of like an irratic LFO wave. The D12 does have an effect = mode=20 that does some generic manipulation but this manual "jiggling" is a bit = more=20 quirky and fun. As some may know, the D12 is definitely the low-budget = looping=20 tool in comparison to an EDP or Jamman. However, sometimes the faults of = the=20 cheaper toys can be blessings in disguise.
Regards,
Alan=20 Imberg
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BEB5EB.917BBC20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 02:27:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09045; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:27:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:27:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375ECDA8.51025F16@magelang.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 14:25:12 -0600 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: more on Kyma..... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6-1JK2.0.xb.ga9Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthias Grob wrote: > > This is a posting of Jim Coker in '97. I just > stumbeled over it and liked it and since we had talk about this going, I > repost it. > > >> Jim answered me: > >> >In reference to Matthias' questions, most parameters on sound > >> >objects (such as delay times, frequency settings, filter bandwidth > >> >and frequency) are controllable in real time, and without glitches. > >> >Put an lfo on a short delay, and you get a flanger. (Delay lengths can > >> >be specified in a number of ways, such as in seconds, or samples, > >> >or relative to something else) Control signals can come from midi, > >> >or all sorts of other things, frequency trackers, envelope followers, > >> >other audio signals, or signals built by processing other signals. > >> >When I was there, a Peavey PC1600 fader box (16 programmable > >> >midi faders and assorted buttons) was set up to > >> >control sound parameters. This is what I used during the looping > >> >test (no foot controller available). > >> > >> I see... but this I can do on my PCM80, as long as its just controlling > >> parameters of a delay. > >> I was thinking about the loop specific functions like Tap, Multiply, Undo, > >> or rather sampler type functions like restarting the actual loop or > >> changing to another loop and so on. Probably those functions will have to > >> be created and I wondered how difficult this might be. > > > >Well, there's no tap tempo control that comes with the unit (I asked), > >but > >I don't think it would be difficult to build one. As far as the > >echoplex-type > >functions go, it depends on your goal. If you want to duplicate the > >interface > >of an echoplex, you can probably do it, but I can't say how difficult it > >would > >be, and I don't think it would be the best way to approach loop > >programming > >with Kyma. Since you can have a large number of loops and samplers > >running > >at once, and there are numerous controls available on them, some of the > >metaphors > >that apply with the echoplex don't make much sense. For example, > >multiply > >on the echoplex affects the original loop, whereas on Kyma, I would be > >more > >likely to achive a similar result by adding a new, concurrent loop whose > >time is a multiple of the first. This would leave the original loop > >available > >for individual processing. Of course, everyone has their own preference > >about > >how such features should be configured, but a big part of Kyma is that > >the > >user has many options on how to organize things. > > > >> > >> >Another nice patch involved a "harmonic resonator", a special > >> >kind of filter that resonates at a given pitch and all it's > >> >harmonics. > >> > >> also available on PCM70/80 > >> > >> >Probably the most unique capabilities of the system revolve around > >> >it's analysis and resynthesis capabilities. Their latest software > >> >version comes w/ a configureable vocoder w/ up to 70 filter bands. > >> >In addition to real time vocoding, you can analyize a sample > >> >(drums, vocals and animal sounds work best, due to their widely > >> >varying formants) to build a time-varying filter bank, and then use > >> >this filter bank to process a live signal. > >> ... > >> > >> >For really hard-core stuff, you can use an FFT analysis to convert > >> >the signal from the time domain into the freqency domain, and do > >> >processing there (such as stretching or scaling harmonics, pitch > >> >and time shifting, etc), and then resynthesize the result using > >> >an oscillator bank. This is the approach used by Digital Performer > >> >1.7 and others to do pitch shifting w/o ugly artifacts. Kyma > >> >can do this in real time, minus a 1/4sec delay due to FFT > >> >windowing issues > >> > >> Interesting. This could certainly be used to colour and modulate loops. And > >> in this case, the 250ms delay (thats a lot!) could be hidden somehow. The delay actually varies according to the size of the FFT used by the analysis. The FFT size also determines the amount of processing required. Smaller FFTs can give short enough reponse times for most players (10-20ms), though the resynthesis will not be as accurate w/ longer FFT's. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm guessing that a 512 > > > >The delay is intrinsic to all FFT algorithms. The processing occurs by > >taking short samples (called windows) of the input, and doing the FFT > >on each window. Longer windows give more accurate frequency results, > >shorter ones give a better indication of when events occur in the > >signal. > >The windowing is what causes the delay. I do think it is adjustable, so > >shorter delays can be traded for some accuracy. > >(caveat: That's a very short and imprecise description of a complex > >signal processing task) > > > > > >> >The only dissapointment I had was with the frequency tracker. > >> >It works amazingly well w/ vocals, but didn't do so great on > >> >a guitar. The response time was at least as good as a Roland > >> >GI-10 midi converter and it did track vibrato and > >> ... > >> > One big change that would make > >> >it better would be to use hexaphonic input a-la GK2, which would > >> >restrict the pitch guessing range, and avoid multi-string noises. > >> > >> Did you play monophonic for this test, or is it even able to detect chords > >> of a monophonic guitar?!? > > > >The tracker can't handle chords, that is truly a difficult task. It is > >discussed in the Curtis Roads book I mentioned earlier (as is the FFT > >stuff). > > > >> > >> >Currently Kyma only has 2 inputs and 2 outputs, but they are working > >> >on increasing this. They get many requests to increase the > >> >number of outputs, but Kurt said that this was the first time they > >> >had a solid reason for having multiple inputs, ... > >> > >> Ahh... we will end up making our own VGx, more serious, with all in it! > >> > >> >Kyma can run simutaneously w/ a > >> >sequencer or MAX on a modest MAC or PC. Symbolic Sound is also > >> >working on a PC-card interface so you can use Kyma w/ a laptop. > >> > >> Does it also work without any computer, on stage? > > > >Nope, the computer is the controller, where all patches are stored and > >other important things happen. It also, obviously, lowers the price of > >the > >Capybara, which has no front panel controls. There is a midi-map > >function > >so you can use program changes to load new sounds. > > > >The "stuck-to-a-computer" issue is one the Sym. Sound is aware of. They > >had said that at AES some engineers from Eventide had asked if they'd > >had people complain about requiring the computer. They are working on a > >PC card for laptops, so that makes it a bit less of a problem. The way > >I see it is that they leverage so many capabilities from the computer > >that > >the restriction is well-justified. > > > >> Did you check the reverb sounds? If the KYMA replaces two Plexes and my two > >> Lexicons, its not that expensive any more! > > > >I don't know of any serious reverb programs that come with the unit, but > >it has Delays, Comb Filters and such that can be used to build reverbs. > >There are some general reverb algorithms covered in signal processing > >publications, but if you're looking to replace the reverb in a PCM80, > >its not gonna happen easily. > > > >This brings up the issue of what Kyma is all about. The fx boxes from > >Lexicon, > >Eventide and others come with great programs that are ready-to-use > >and are targeted for music production, but even though they have > >relatively > >flexible programming options, their limitations are rigid: They have a > >fixed > >processing & memory capacity (for both delays and programs), a limited > >number of processing algorithms (i.e. chorus, flange, pitch shift, > >reverb), and limited > >number of ways to combine those algorithms. Kyma is an open-ended box, > >it is > >what the user makes of it. Symbolic Sound provides a number of useful > >processing algorithms, software to combine them in new and interesting > >ways, many intriguing > >and instructive example programs, and ongoing software and hardware > >updates that avoid obsolecence. > > > >It blurs the distinction between synthesizer, effects processor, hard > >disk > >recorder, sampler and sequencer. It is a little bit of all these > >things, but > >by combining them all it becomes something different entirely. The > >first > >demonstration Carla showed me was a piece that she had created for Kyma. > >The complex > >program turned the Capybara into an instrument, in that it created > >synthesized > >sounds, an effects processor, in that it processed her voice in real > >time, a > >sampler, as it played & modified sounds from disk, a sequencer, in that > >sounds > >were layered and ordered by program events, and a real-time studio or > >composition tool, in that the operation of all these processes were > >interrelated, > >and she was able to control the whole process through vocal inflections > >and > >midi sliders. > > > >Kyma is a solution for those who have > >become frustrated with the limitations of the equipment > >they are working with, and want to create an instrument of their own. It > >will not > >likely replace a Lexicon reverb unit in anyone's rack, but reveberant > >sounds > >built using it can be new and unique. It may not harmonize as > >effortlessly as > >an Eventide, but it has numerous tools for modifying pitch. It is a > >toolset > >for creating music, and thus the user has both the exciting and > >somewhat daunting task of making something out of it. > > > > > > > >jim > > * Lots of music (samples), inventions (drawings), philosophy: > * ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > * Archive and mailinglist about looping: > * ---> http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 03:16:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16075; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 03:16:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 03:16:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: ambient@hyperreal.com From: Hans Stoeve Subject: looking for subscribers Cc: powerspot@onelist.com, ElectronicMusic@onelist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:46:34 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: <"QMXvn3.0.By2.qOAPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com These are some of the reviews which have appeared in the last couple of Power Spot mail out sent out to our ever growing list. Some people have left or have changed their e mail addresses, so if you are one of those and still wish to receive these reviews let me know what your updated e mail address is. If you don't subscribe, please do as it doesn't cost anything and you might just be able to discover something in the process. Simply sent me an e mail with the word subscribe reviews and I'll copy you in. Reviews are sent out on average every fortnight, depending on what's happening with work, the markets, radio, family etc. Not everything is posted to these lists. And last but not least, new material is always welcome. The mailing address is below. Thanks as usual....Hans Stoeve / Sydney / Australia Fingerpaint- Primary Colors: Blue Sacred Sound- Nagual Site Peter Miller- Perpetual Ocean Vidna Obmana- landscape in obscurity (hypnos) Jim Hall and Pat Metheny Laocoon- Immersion Ashera- Cobalt 144 Steve Tibbetts and Knut Hamre- A Eleni Karaindrou- Eternity and A Day Charles Lloyd- Voice In The Night Steve Roach and Vidna Obmana-Cavern Of Sirens Shakti- Remember Shakti Johnathan Elias- The Prayer Cycle Rod Modell / Michael Mantra- Sonic Continuum Viridian Sun- Perihelion Anonymous 4- Lammas Ladymass John Williams - The Guitarist Fingerpaint- In The Loop Acantus- Acantus Thirteenth Century Italian Polyphonies and Chant Diana Krall - When I Look Into Your Eyes Hans Stoeve c/o Power Spot 89.7FM Sydney, Australia http://www.users.bigpond.com/nadabrahma reviews / interviews / cd's for sale / the ultimate Jon Hassell webpage subscribe to the Jon Hassell discussion group http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/powerspot subscribe to the Extreme discussion group http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/extrememusic We always welcome new material for review and airplay. If interested please forward on to: 3 / 12 Murdoch St Cremorne NSW 2090 *** the further one goes the less one knows *** From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 04:50:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27389; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 04:50:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 04:50:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: help with cool edit pro mp3 encoding etc... Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:57:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000001beb63b$96bc4880$251ed1d1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"QlFi91.0.kA5.6NBPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The most kick-ass MP3 encoder I've found is CDex, freeware. It's really cool. Give it a try. | -----Original Message----- | From: Crossedout@aol.com [mailto:Crossedout@aol.com] | Sent: Sunday 13 June 1999 7:00 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: help with cool edit pro mp3 encoding etc... | | | In a message dated 6/12/99 1:31:11 PM Central Daylight Time, | permadan@yahoo.com writes: | | << Can someone please help me? I'm using Cool Edit pro | and I want to save wav to mp3. I >> | | I use cooledit too, but I found some freeware that works well, | a program | called MPlifier. I found it through AOL's software library, you | should be | able to find it on the web. If you can't, let me know and I'll | mail you a | copy. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 08:21:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17591; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:21:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:21:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990614115028.0073d934@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:50:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: RE: help with cool edit pro mp3 encoding etc... Resent-Message-ID: <"G5S6f1.0.FQ3._qEPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com but if you wanna top notch quality you should get the original frauhnnofer (????) codec. ciao leo At 00.57 14/06/99 -0700, you wrote: >The most kick-ass MP3 encoder I've found is CDex, freeware. It's really >cool. Give it a try. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Crossedout@aol.com [mailto:Crossedout@aol.com] > | Sent: Sunday 13 June 1999 7:00 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: help with cool edit pro mp3 encoding etc... > | > | > | In a message dated 6/12/99 1:31:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > | permadan@yahoo.com writes: > | > | << Can someone please help me? I'm using Cool Edit pro > | and I want to save wav to mp3. I >> > | > | I use cooledit too, but I found some freeware that works well, > | a program > | called MPlifier. I found it through AOL's software library, you > | should be > | able to find it on the web. If you can't, let me know and I'll > | mail you a > | copy. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 08:20:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17367; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:20:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:20:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990614120012.62106.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.40.5.57] From: Philipp Zuercher To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Delete from list Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 05:00:11 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"A-7Z5.0.Sf3.vxEPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Delete from list >Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:19:45 EDT > >In a message dated 6/13/99 8:11:59 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, >zurrigo@hotmail.com writes: > ><< Pleeeeease.... >> > >was it all the drug talk i wonder?........................michael > rather talk than drug, I reckon... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 08:26:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18159; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:26:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:26:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAphYCa4MO5v4q+OLUWzdKEoGkjN0CFFuNy8pDcLIHOUjSv+DKg/bA/ANJ From: DSMusic@webtv.net (David Stenshoel Music) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 07:00:55 -0500 (CDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loops in Mpls Sat. 6/19/99 Message-ID: <18111-3764EEF7-14829@postoffice-121.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"CAsVn.0.Ug3.2yEPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Loopers, My duo, Redondo, with guitarist/bassist Dave Burk is playing "organic polytribal groove loops" at the Cedar Cultural Center in Minneapolis this Saturday at 8 pm. We use an EDP and a JamMan to build odd and funky rythym loops with violin, guitar, electric bass, saz, Egyptian tabla, oud, conga drums, tar, talking drums, saxophone, voice and sipsi, incorporating global traditional tunes and improvisation. We will be joined for this show by the great Ugandan guitarist Yusef Shalita. I hope you can make it! David Stenshoel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 08:50:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20708; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:50:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:50:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: william.m.seiberling@us.arthurandersen.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: ANDERSEN WO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <06256790.00484CAC.00@us.arthurandersen.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:01:49 -0500 Subject: Re: please take me off list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"2cT7u1.0.l-3.a5FPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 10:11:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30309; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:11:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:11:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:10:14 EDT Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 or Headrush To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"bJU7b2.0.fh5.ezFPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com haven't used the Zoom, but like the Headrush very much. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 11:35:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10888; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:35:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:35:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <003801beb670$f3683dc0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: vocalists? Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:19:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"KV1UN.0.qu7.Z5HPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the lead, Kim! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 11:50:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14082; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:50:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:50:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990614095057.008a3880@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:50:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 or Headrush In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mqZlp2.0.Ed.fQHPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:10 AM 6/14/99 EDT, Bill wrote: >haven't used the Zoom, but like the Headrush very much. > >Bill > haven't used the Headrush, but like the Zoom very much. Michael =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 12:23:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20149; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:23:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:23:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:12:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990614101350.008dc760@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:13:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Loops in Mpls Sat. 6/19/99 In-Reply-To: <18111-3764EEF7-14829@postoffice-121.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dThRl1.0.7f1.zlHPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David, Sounds like a cool show. Odd that I have never seen the group. I do a considerable number of loop based performing in Mpls. (I performed with the Mpls Improv Group at an art gallery last saturday). I also produced an album for Joe Shalita, unfortunately his group disbanded before we had finished. Chuck Zwicky At 07:00 AM 6/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Loopers, > >My duo, Redondo, with guitarist/bassist Dave Burk is playing "organic >polytribal groove loops" at the Cedar Cultural Center in Minneapolis >this Saturday at 8 pm. We use an EDP and a JamMan to build odd and >funky rythym loops with violin, guitar, electric bass, saz, Egyptian >tabla, oud, conga drums, tar, talking drums, saxophone, voice and sipsi, >incorporating global traditional tunes and improvisation. > >We will be joined for this show by the great Ugandan guitarist Yusef >Shalita. > >I hope you can make it! > >David Stenshoel > > > ........................................................................... One man's nirvana is another man's map. ........................................................................... Be the change you want to see in the world. -Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 15:08:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19620; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:08:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:08:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:16:46 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906141816.UAA09028@mail.euroweb.hu> X-Sender: pop1678@mail.euroweb.hu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Adam Davidson Subject: EchoRAM Resent-Message-ID: <"jM1Ak2.0.P72.QSKPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello! I've just got my brandnew Echoplex. After some heavy hunting i've bought 4x4MB 30 pin ram module... NOW check THIS out : when i turn the echoplex on firstly it gives some crazy scrolls saying 'LOOP 3' then it displays version number, 5.0. okey now comes the memory! originally it displayed 50 or something. after installing the 4x4MB module it says: 100 now it's stupid, isnt it? it should be 198 or sumthen. okey. replace 2 rams out of the 4, it says 100 again. hM! change to the other 2 boards, it says 100 again! now. use 2x4MB (the new ones) and 2x1MB (the old ones) and it says 125 ! i give up! anyone know what to do now? adam From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 15:07:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19574; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:07:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:07:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37654036.41331F32@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:47:34 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en-US,fr-BE,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: EDP problem infinite play back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IMlP33.0.oN1.XDKPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Salut When I let a loop go to silence for a long fade out it never goes to no sound there is a distorted loop leftover cycling for ever (very far away though...) is that normal or is there a way to adjust that Claude PS: my 2 edp have the same symptoms From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 15:49:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26991; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:49:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:49:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:22:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906141822.UAA09389@mail.euroweb.hu> X-Sender: pop1678@mail.euroweb.hu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Adam Davidson Subject: GONE! Resent-Message-ID: <"YZNoH.0.aP2._XKPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com HOHO! i swapped the RAMs until it displayed 198secs. very strange. i switched on once, did flash a bit, and displayed 100. then switched off and on, and wow, it's now 198....... strange..... adam From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 15:49:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26990; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:49:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:49:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <4855f95.2496a1f4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:20:36 EDT Subject: Re: time stretching vortex patch To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Resent-Message-ID: <"GQeHo.0.lM2.2XKPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks Brad > triple the > length of the loop---and half will be what was in echo 1, the other half > will be a "gap" excellent. i like setting up the loop in B, then switching briefly to A to modify. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 16:26:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02045; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:26:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:26:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906141938.PAA27822@ligarius-fe0.ultra.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:40:57 -0400 Subject: Re: EchoRAM From: "sandro" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VbW2w.0.O76.geLPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com where did you get it from? is it new? thanks sandro ---------- >From: Adam Davidson >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: EchoRAM >Date: Mon, Jun 14, 1999, 2:16 PM > > Hello! > > > I've just got my brandnew Echoplex. > > After some heavy hunting i've bought 4x4MB 30 pin ram module... > > NOW check THIS out : > > > when i turn the echoplex on firstly it gives some crazy scrolls saying 'LOOP 3' > > then it displays version number, 5.0. > > okey now comes the memory! > > originally it displayed 50 or something. > > after installing the 4x4MB module it says: 100 > > now it's stupid, isnt it? > > it should be 198 or sumthen. > > okey. replace 2 rams out of the 4, it says 100 again. hM! > > change to the other 2 boards, it says 100 again! > > now. use 2x4MB (the new ones) and 2x1MB (the old ones) and it says 125 ! > > i give up! > > anyone know what to do now? > > adam > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 18:24:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24761; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:24:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:24:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007101beb6ae$bdd57400$55964e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Loops in Mpls Sat. 6/19/99 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:42:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"pzr953.0.Ox3.EPNPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sounds great David! Sorry I'm too far away to make it. Got to admire anyone who has the courage to perform on the sipsi in public! A Turkish musician friend gave me one but I've never been daring enough to bring it to a gig. One academic question for you -- is your "tar" the frame drum, or the Iranian lute? Great to see someone else using non-western instruments with looping. Good luck with the gig! James -----Original Message----- From: David Stenshoel Music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 8:43 AM Subject: Loops in Mpls Sat. 6/19/99 Dear Loopers, My duo, Redondo, with guitarist/bassist Dave Burk is playing "organic polytribal groove loops" at the Cedar Cultural Center in Minneapolis this Saturday at 8 pm. We use an EDP and a JamMan to build odd and funky rythym loops with violin, guitar, electric bass, saz, Egyptian tabla, oud, conga drums, tar, talking drums, saxophone, voice and sipsi, incorporating global traditional tunes and improvisation. We will be joined for this show by the great Ugandan guitarist Yusef Shalita. I hope you can make it! David Stenshoel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 20:23:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14282; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:23:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:23:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Simon Kean" To: Subject: RE: "The Unbearable Lightness of Trying to Buy an EDP in Aust Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:54:45 +1000 Message-ID: <000b01beb6c1$476fb880$344199a8@SK.atlasmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <0000FC33.C22133@poyry.com.br> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"u9yuz1.0.7G2.XPPPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lindsay Buckland brings back a lot of memories. I used to spend the odd Saturday afternoon now and then watching him perform on the street in the centre of Melbourne. He's a very sweet guy and a great talent. When I first saw him, he was doing great things with the dulcimer running through a couple of boss digital delay pedals and two small 20watt combo amps. He always was a joy to chat to, and willing to share his insights. His recorded work (which he sells while busking) is pretty damn good to. Cheers Simon -----Original Message----- From: MAT [mailto:miguel.barella@poyry.com.br] Sent: Saturday, 12 June 1999 1:19 AM To: trent1@iinet.net.au; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:"The Unbearable Lightness of Trying to Buy an EDP in Aust In 1997 I met an australian busker playing in Barcelona (Ramblas), his name was Lindsay Buckland and he was using a JamMan and a lap dulcimer with a strap (played like a guitar), magnetic pick up and Rolan GR somethig. Intresting coincidence with Trent's set up. Miguel ____________________Separador de Resposta____________________ Assunto: "The Unbearable Lightness of Trying to Buy an EDP in Austral Autor: trent1@iinet.net.au Data: 11/06/1999 10:55 Hi everyone, Trent humphreys from Australia here,My god you have no idea how hard it is to get an EDP in Australia at the moment!!! Could someone in the know please explain?!!! And this is an incredibly valuable site guys, I'm a looping busker from Western Australia, and it's great to be connecting with likeminded people! -www.imago.com.au/vrl/trent Cheers! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 20:20:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13699; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:20:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:20:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:21:42 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199906150021.SAA25223@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: JAM AND VORTEX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id TAA04047 Resent-Message-ID: <"kBVlm1.0.W_.tzOPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well,I can not hold it just for me any more,here´s what I´ve got and it´s NOT like I´m doing bussines of any kind: Here in Mexico City you can sometimes get some gear for less money than any other place (vintage stompboxes for instance,down here old pedals are considered old junk) Guess is the same thing in Brazil or any other Latin American Country,for reasons of money exchange,inflation,heaven knows... I have several friends that work in little music stores downtown wich still carry the vortex and the jamman for prices a lot (or a least something) lower than in the States or any other place. I could get them for about $550-570 each,(maybe less if I beg :-D) so if somebody wires me the money plus $30 for fedex you can get ahold of a new-same model as in the states Vortex or Jamman.those units are NEW,not used,and really I don´t know how many of them,lets say more than two and less than 20... EDP USERS: sorry,I´ve never seen an EDP other than mine down here... What do I get from all this? really:just my conscience clear for helping a lot of guys wanting this units and getting them for ridiculosly expensive prices,or maybe I´m wrong and this prices I´m telling are still high,anyway,if somebody is interested in this kind of trade, message me in private,I can supply net references for any doubters etc.etc... Andy in Mexico City. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 20:39:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16700; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:39:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:39:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3765CE55.FFE48E0B@columbus.rr.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:53:58 -0800 From: Darrell Jones Reply-To: djones01@columbus.rr.com Organization: Intra Sites X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EchoRAM References: <199906141938.PAA27822@ligarius-fe0.ultra.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5Tph93.0.ZC2.DOPPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Answer to your problem, There is already something recorded in the memory of your echoplex! Someone has recorded some information in on of the loops. Now to fix it, press the parameter button 4 times to select LOOPS, press and hold the record button, this is how you erase information already recorder in any of the loops. After performing this process, you should see you 198 sec's. Good luck! Darrell Jones sandro wrote: > where did you get it from? > is it new? > thanks > sandro > > ---------- > >From: Adam Davidson > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: EchoRAM > >Date: Mon, Jun 14, 1999, 2:16 PM > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > I've just got my brandnew Echoplex. > > > > After some heavy hunting i've bought 4x4MB 30 pin ram module... > > > > NOW check THIS out : > > > > > > when i turn the echoplex on firstly it gives some crazy scrolls saying 'LOOP > 3' > > > > then it displays version number, 5.0. > > > > okey now comes the memory! > > > > originally it displayed 50 or something. > > > > after installing the 4x4MB module it says: 100 > > > > now it's stupid, isnt it? > > > > it should be 198 or sumthen. > > > > okey. replace 2 rams out of the 4, it says 100 again. hM! > > > > change to the other 2 boards, it says 100 again! > > > > now. use 2x4MB (the new ones) and 2x1MB (the old ones) and it says 125 ! > > > > i give up! > > > > anyone know what to do now? > > > > adam > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 21:14:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23424; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:14:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:14:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199906150021.SAA25223@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:40:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: JAM AND VORTEX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id UAA16242 Resent-Message-ID: <"yLM_Q3.0.6-3.11QPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Others feel free to correct me, but I think the going US prices for Vortex and JamMan are more like $250 and $450, respectively (barring some of the JamMan mania sometimes reported here). Admittedly, that's used, but for $550, a buyer should get TWO Vortexes. I've found several near-mint for about $200. Maybe if NEW J-Men are $550, somebody should grab 'em and put 'em on ebay for $995 for those nut cases.... > Well,I can not hold it just for me any more,here´s what I´ve got and >it´s NOT like I´m doing bussines of any kind: > >Here in Mexico City you can sometimes get some gear for less money than any >other place (vintage stompboxes for instance,down here old pedals are >considered old junk) Guess is the same thing in Brazil or any other Latin >American Country,for reasons of money exchange,inflation,heaven knows... > > I have several friends that work in little music stores downtown wich >still carry the vortex and the jamman for prices a lot (or a least >something) lower than in the States or any other place. > > I could get them for about $550-570 each,(maybe less if I beg :-D) so if >somebody wires me the money plus $30 for fedex you can get ahold of a >new-same model as in the states Vortex or Jamman.those units are NEW,not >used,and really I don´t know how many of them,lets say more than two and >less than 20... >EDP USERS: sorry,I´ve never seen an EDP other than mine down here... > > What do I get from all this? really:just my conscience clear for helping a >lot of guys wanting this units and getting them for ridiculosly expensive >prices,or maybe I´m wrong and this prices I´m telling are still >high,anyway,if somebody is interested in this kind of trade, message me in >private,I can supply net references for any doubters etc.etc... > > >Andy in Mexico City. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 21:42:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28353; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:42:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:42:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <64941734.2496f72e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:24:14 EDT Subject: Re: JAM AND VORTEX To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"dYDha.0.PX3.TrPPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For that matter, there's a used Vortex at D-Rocks in Omaha for about $329. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 22:14:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01198; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:14:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:14:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006f01beb6d1$1d3cda60$6596adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: JAM AND VORTEX Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:48:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"OKmHD2.0.KR6.7oQPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com speak of the devil $150 Vortex on Harmony right NOW (coupel of posts down) . . . gentlemen, rev your modems . . . Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 22:50:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07631; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:50:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:50:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3765B7D9.73F@erols.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:18:01 -0400 From: Michael Preston Reply-To: michpres@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JAM AND VORTEX References: <64941734.2496f72e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4dgOf2.0.zQ.oURPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From Harmony Central Classifieds: FS: Lexicon Vortex Asking Price: US$150 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Audio Morphing Processor. Programmable for guitar, vocals, etc. 16 unique efx each w/ 2 A/B presets (for a total of 32 different sounds).Stereo or mono inputs and outputs. A/B switchable. Footpedal outs. Has a 9V adaptor. Like new. Great processor for any application! Seller: Chris Allen, 5026381188 E-mail: cwalle01@athena.louisville.edu (Profile) Location: LOUISVILLE, KY Post Date: 6/14/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 14 23:16:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12439; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:16:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:16:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990614221506.007a4100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:15:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: JAM AND VORTEX In-Reply-To: References: <199906150021.SAA25223@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nH9si3.0.h01.QhRPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Maybe we should be forwarding these enormous price sightings to Lexicon... Maybe the JamMania would suggest to someone there that it might not be a bad idea to add some supply to the obvious demand and re-introduce the thing in its original glory and not as a setting or two on another processor... BTW, I was cleaning out a file cabinet the other day, and found a three-year-old Musician's Fiend catalog... Lexicon JamMan, somewhere around $359... (or three EASY payments of...) Tim At 08:40 PM 6/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >Others feel free to correct me, but I think the going US prices for Vortex >and JamMan are more like $250 and $450, respectively (barring some of the >JamMan mania sometimes reported here)....Maybe if NEW J-Men are $550, somebody should grab 'em and put >'em on ebay for $995 for those nut cases.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 15 02:00:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11163; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:00:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:00:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3765E6B8.CEE9FFDF@sfsu.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:38:00 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: did you guys get spam? References: <199906150021.SAA25223@servidor.unam.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vj_6h.0.tk1.vTUPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just got another spam e-mail on this e-mail address. It's very similar to the one we recieved about a month ago. Thankfully, I was glad to find that Loopers-Delight no longer recieves e-mail from non-members. This mail was sent to me directly from hterco@maindspring.com. Is that the same group that sent spam to us before? and Did anyone else get this spam? matt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 15 10:02:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11539; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:02:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:02:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Tim Nelson'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Lexicon & JAMMAN Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:58:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"_txjl.0.oJ.tvaPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My guess is the best one can hope for from Lexicon re:JAMMAN is what they are doing now -- that is, building some/many JAMMAN like capabilities into other effects devices they produce. dk -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 10:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JAM AND VORTEX Maybe we should be forwarding these enormous price sightings to Lexicon... Maybe the JamMania would suggest to someone there that it might not be a bad idea to add some supply to the obvious demand and re-introduce the thing in its original glory and not as a setting or two on another processor... BTW, I was cleaning out a file cabinet the other day, and found a three-year-old Musician's Fiend catalog... Lexicon JamMan, somewhere around $359... (or three EASY payments of...) Tim At 08:40 PM 6/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >Others feel free to correct me, but I think the going US prices for Vortex >and JamMan are more like $250 and $450, respectively (barring some of the >JamMan mania sometimes reported here)....Maybe if NEW J-Men are $550, somebody should grab 'em and put >'em on ebay for $995 for those nut cases.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 15 11:21:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27540; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:21:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:21:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990614120012.62106.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Hans Stoeve Subject: Re: Delete from list Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:19:01 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: <"dYGpF3.0.Dn3.L4cPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com as I am off on annual leave for a month I'm unsubbing off this list for the moment rather than go through 2500 messages plus upon my return. Thanks for all your input. Hans Stoeve c/o Power Spot 89.7FM Sydney, Australia http://www.users.bigpond.com/nadabrahma reviews / interviews / cd's for sale / the ultimate Jon Hassell webpage subscribe to the Jon Hassell discussion group http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/powerspot subscribe to the Extreme discussion group http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/extrememusic We always welcome new material for review and airplay. If interested please forward on to: 3 / 12 Murdoch St Cremorne NSW 2090 *** the further one goes the less one knows *** From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 15 12:21:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06956; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:21:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:21:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:10:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Lexicon & JAMMAN Resent-Message-ID: <"OfQB3.0.507.x3dPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Kirkdorffer wrote: >My guess is the best one can hope for from Lexicon re:JAMMAN is what they >are doing now -- that is, building some/many JAMMAN like capabilities into >other effects devices they produce. Hey, the Echoplex got reissued, now didn't it? It did take a little time, mind you, and it was somewhat different. I'm sure Lexicon would love to have more of a presence in the lower-priced effects market as there is a great deal of volume in that area, even though the margins are smaller. I can imagine that they'd release an improved version, though... a "son of JamMan" which had better MIDI and that sort of thing. All hypothetical and right now you have to buy used or get something else. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 15 12:45:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12095; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:45:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:45:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:06:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: In search of the ultimate looper? Resent-Message-ID: <"FsrcA3.0.ts.sbdPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ...which is not a looper that already exists... an old thread, but if you could design the ultimate looper, what would it be? Here are some features I'd love to see. Perhaps something like MSP could do it in software, hmm... -- storing and recalling loops from disk or something like disk, SmartMedia eg I could prepare loops in the machine and then send them to my sampler -- and vice versa. -- large memory using standard chips a gig of memory? why not? at < $2/MB, not impossible. -- arbitrarily many loops (subject to memory limitations) if I want nine hundred 100ms loops and I have enough memory for 90s of sampling, why not? -- click removal/endpoint smoothing crossfade between the beginning and end of a loop. controllable crossfade time (and fade shape?) -- time modulation effects a la Super Timeline "sample rate modulation" -- the timeline basically had an LFO that you could use to modulate the sampling rate of the unit, rather like speeding and slowing the rate of a tape playback unit dramatically. You could get some great effects by playing with the modulation index and the LFO frequency. -- loop times: lockstep or not? independent loop lengths OR length "quantization" where length is a multiple or divisor of previous loop length so I can just tap out a loop at any time with whatever length I play or I can "quantize" the length of any loops I make, relative to the "current" loop. -- loop "tweaking": real time effects on a loop. pitch shift up or down (without length changing) (may be hard?) time stretch without pitch change (may be hard?) time modulation effects ("slow down", "speed up") tweak start and end points of a loop back and forth -- feedback and cross-delays send part of any loop to any other internal mixing matrix? !! stereo !! -- "clever" footpedal crossfades between loops on a single pedal "grab" a loop and apply an effect to it with a pedal Comments? Other features? Manufacturers, comments? *Are* there any factory reps on this list (even perhaps in an informal fashion?) /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 15 13:51:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25901; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:51:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:51:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <028301beb74e$0ac1d5c0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Lexicon & JAMMAN Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:42:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"2uJ0e1.0.KG3.HHePt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I can imagine that they'd release an improved version, though... >a "son of JamMan" which had better MIDI and that sort of thing. That'd be a "JamBoy" then? Or for the PC minded a "JamChild"? :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 15 14:45:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04984; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:45:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:45:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BEB71C.D075C920.curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com> From: Steve Han Reply-To: "curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:48:52 -0700 Organization: Transworld Freight Systems X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w-hL11.0.FR6.RCfPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have to chime in. Bill, well expressed. I agree. In going through the on-going blasts and comments that strangely have gotten hold of my short-spanned attention, I realize that not only Loopers in this group are at the cutting edge of music technology, they are also very articulate in expressing their points of view and beliefs. (this is my brown-nosing paragraph) And though some have expressed harshly, and some have expressed eloquently, (and some have expressed diplomatically), there are still exchanges of ideas and beliefs which actually show the make up of the group's personalities which I think is good. I can confidently say that I am eccentric to a point of being arrogant. The important thing is that I know that I am. I think that besides my arrogance getting me in trouble sometimes, it actually fuels me and drives me towards creativity without conforming. I had originally joined the group to stay in the "loop" but I'm receiving and learning much more than just 'how to manipulate my looping devices'. For example, John Cage and Adrian Belew discussions are very enlighting, among many. Leo's always intuitive guidance in computer music softwares are invaluable. Even the effects of drugs, during and after, philosophy there of, lack of use of drugs in creativity, and the passionate comments related to drugs and music are very interesting and humorous at times. I think it is important that we express ourselves freely without prohibiting others to do the same. (...but then, in making this comment, I am actually...) It just goes to show you that no matter how I state it or phrase it, I inflict my beliefs and ideas to others in this group. Crap! I'd better turn off my computer and start looping before someone finds out that I'm completely nuts!!! Curbie -----Original Message----- From: Hawkeye255@aol.com [SMTP:Hawkeye255@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 8:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? I agree with kungha and javier; the state of openness being discussed, is more our natural state than the Aristotelian never-ending classifier, cellphone weilding, steering wheel gripping, gas pedal pushing, horn honking, bill paying sob who has to earn a living and 'don't forget the milk and bread on the way home'... The connection for me in looping music and sounds, is a a desire to return to my natural self (an insignificant speck of harmonically resonant stardust)...and perhaps take a few listeners with me. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 15 17:07:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01020; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:07:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:07:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:17:37 EDT Subject: Re: In search of the ultimate looper? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Resent-Message-ID: <"CSGkK2.0.Bo5.OKhPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There'll never be just one not affordably anyway so I suggest 1) Ultimate looper like Tom suggested 2) affordable performance looper (sort of a super jamplex-on -a-budget) features i) can set up loop by tapping once to start then once to loop, but can then go into echo mode (ie feedback controllable) and so that you can overdub straight away. ii) can tap in new loop time without glitching (JamMan won't usually do this) in fact let's have all functions glitch free. iii) reverse play (popular), and change playback speed. iv) 3 simultaneous loops which can be either the same length( but start at an arbitrary point), or unrelated length. Possibly loops of 'related' length. v) One of the above loops will always be the 'current' loop which can be altered lenghwise, reversed, added to , or erased. vi) Separate outputs for each loop (optional) or stereo panning vii) loop time total 60s , expandable with easily available cheap chips. viii) footpedal controlled (or stomp box) a) tap time, 3rd press deletes loop b) select current loop ix) LED display of 'current' loop no. regeneration for the current loop could be set with a knob on the box, possibly options like ' non current loops don't fade' ' global control of fade rate' I've left out any pitch-shift/time-stretch and modulation to be done externally. This is only my starting suggestion, but remember each new feature may well up the cost. Andy Butler otherwise ultimate looper might be a vortex with extra memory From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 15 17:48:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09164; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:48:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:48:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: BRENDAN.DEVITT@cicot.itochu.com X-Internal-ID: 3765181C0000187B X-DSN-ENVID: X400-Received: by mta ITCNYK51 in /PRMD=ITOCHU/ADMD=MCI/C=US; relayed; 15 Jun 1999 16:55:35 -0400 X400-Received: by mta ITCNYK01 in /PRMD=ITOCHU/ADMD=MCI/C=US; relayed; 15 Jun 1999 16:57:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: tube echoplex X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=ITOCHU/ADMD=MCI/C=US;DLCOT186-990615185011-4CC4] Message-Id: Date: 15 Jun 1999 13:50:12 -0500 Importance: normal Autoforwarded: false X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Resent-Message-ID: <"80f-H2.0.uc7.kthPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy- I'm looking for a tube echoplex in any condition and was wondering if you might have any leads on one... Appreciate any info you might have. Thanks for your time. Best Regards, Brendan Devitt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 15 21:39:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16180; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:39:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:39:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3766F766.A88BF7C2@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:01:26 -0500 From: Jon Southwood X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: tube echoplex References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XjZv43.0.GS2.JPlPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Brendan, I'm not sure, but I think there are a couple MAESTRO Echoplexi on ebay at the moment--is this what you're looking for? Cheers, Jon Southwood noj@cedar-rapids.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 15 23:52:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04035; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:52:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:52:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199906150725.DAA24177@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:23:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: power in numbers? Cc: David Kirkdorffer Resent-Message-ID: <"zyJnE.0.Zq7.fWnPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com how many echoplex buyers did we amass? Any hope of hearing word on this within the month, you think? MT PS: impatient, I know... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 00:34:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14026; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:34:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:34:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199906150725.DAA24177@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:06:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: power in numbers? Resent-Message-ID: <"LB72b1.0.UV1.4AoPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >how many echoplex buyers did we amass? Any hope of hearing word on this >within the month, you think? > >MT > >PS: impatient, I know... I did talk to some Gibson and Opcode people this week, keep up the pressure on those guys! The more they hear from folks the faster they will go, and the message is just starting to get to the right people. If you go here: http://www.opcode.com/forms/feedback.html you can send a mail to the Opcode sales department. Or call them at 650-429-2400. If they know there are people looking for it, they will definitely go quicker getting the production rolling.... Keep bugging them, don't take no for an answer. :-) Even if you're not planning to get an echoplex, give them a shout and let 'em know that there are a lot of people out here who want stuff like this! Also, don't forget to get on the list David is keeping (DKirkdorffer@exapps.com), organized resistance is always better than random militants....;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 04:49:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07366; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:40:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:40:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990610164717.24882.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to the list Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:47:16 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"jyyz82.0._u6.zm-Nt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what does the Headrush do?? $200 US...mmmm in Canada, with tax, tariffs, exchange....500$? Well maybe more like $300 - $400. >From: Hawkeye255@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: New to the list >Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:11:49 EDT > >Dave, > > I would easily recommend the Akai Headrush just out. $200 U.S. or a >little less. And a decent looping tool. Along with a sampler (which you >already have), you'd be in business. > >Bill > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 04:50:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19111; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:45:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:45:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37610AB6.5A134BA9@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:10:13 -0400 From: theorcolus Reply-To: theorcolus@earthlink.net Organization: 144 MUSIC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lew Barnes Subject: Bob Musso's Transonic @ Tonic 6/11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9YG253.0.mH3.BiGOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a note to let you know that tonight @ 10 PM @ Tonic in NYC (Delancey & Norfolk) I will be appearing with Transonic featuring: Charles Burnham-violin Lance Carter-drums David C Gross-6 string fretless bass/electronics/loops Elliot Levin-sax/flute Toby Kasavan-keys Bob Musso-guitar Hope to see you there! David C Gross www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/7773/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 04:50:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30688; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:48:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <1e932c04.249278ea@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:36:26 EDT Subject: FS: Echoplex and Rivera TBR-1 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"uvGn41.0.Kw6.XyHOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I won't advertise here again, but I thought I would let the Loopers-Delight community have the first shot at these. I have a fully loaded Echoplex (full 180 seconds of memory) with pedalboard that I am selling for $650 plus shipping UPS COD (non-negotiable). I am also selling a Rivera STEREO tube amplifier head. It's a 65 watt TBR-1 mounted in a four space SKB case and includes footswitch, and great flexible stereo effects loops. Price is $650 plus shipping UPS COD (non-negotiable). Best, Kevin email fmplautus@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 05:48:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13620; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 05:48:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 05:48:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:04:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Lexicon & JAMMAN Resent-Message-ID: <"hAcqE.0.Wt1.TXsPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >>My guess is the best one can hope for from Lexicon re:JAMMAN is what they >>are doing now -- that is, building some/many JAMMAN like capabilities into >>other effects devices they produce. > >Hey, the Echoplex got reissued, now didn't it? It did take a little >time, mind you, and it was somewhat different. Actually, the Echoplex is not a "reissue" of anything. There is the ancient tape delay from decades ago called "Echoplex". It happens that Gibson owns this name. When Gibson decided to license this fascinating looping machine from Matthias Grob decades later, somebody thought, "hey, we have this Echoplex name, let's call it that!" And it was deliciously subversive and so it was done. But the two device have nothing to do with each other at all, really. and the current Echoplex Digital Pro (as we brilliantly named it...) has never been discontinued, so it's not yet in a position to be "reissued"....at least not yet. it's just on one of its yearly "sabbaticals"...;-) >I'm sure Lexicon would love to have more of a presence in the >lower-priced effects market as there is a great deal of volume >in that area, even though the margins are smaller. > >I can imagine that they'd release an improved version, though... >a "son of JamMan" which had better MIDI and that sort of thing. Lexicon lost a boatload of money on the jamman. (largely because they didn't have a very solid grasp on "low cost" markets at the time.) When they killed it, they had a warehouse full of unsellable jammans! it was a running internal joke there for quite a few years. The prospects for future jammans have never been very good.... And now, Lex has largely lost the autonomy they once enjoyed within the Harmon organization, which is probably a bit sad. I wouldn't place my chips on that square, but you never know.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 06:01:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09400; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:13:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:13:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37614BAD.2E41@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:47:25 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew's Loops -- Review of show in Cambridge, MA -- June 10, 1999 References: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C046@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4ugtv3.0.H81.nnKOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Does anyone know what/where to find Adrain's tour schedule. I'm in NYC and > would love the chance to see him. http://www.murple.com/adrianbelew/tour.htm He's in philly tonight (I'm going so if anyone wants to hook up send me an email this afternoon) Maxwells (Hoboken NJ) tomorrow. Oddly no NYC date is given. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 06:01:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08623; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:38:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:38:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990611185719.006f9f50@email.aon.at> X-Sender: aon.912027787@email.aon.at X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:33:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: haeusle Subject: Re: FW: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you received from Nathan Herrera Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_Lj_E.0.qj.YzMOt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi David! there are some pretty smart viruses out there that spread indepentently. from your description: this sounds like one of these beasts! lorenz At 10:29 11.06.99 -0400, you wrote: >Nathan, > >I must confess I don't understand why you sent me an e-mail with nothing in >it except this attachment for this virus-laden file. > >It's as if you specifically were trying to give me this virus. > >And then you sent me a "100%" request to buy an EDP. > >Did you know you were sending me a virus file? > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: NAV for Microsoft Exchange-BOS-MAIL >Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 10:17 AM >To: David Kirkdorffer >Subject: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you received. > > >Norton AntiVirus found the "Happy99.Worm" virus in the attachment >"Happy99.exe". >The file was Quarantined. > >Sender of the infected attachment: Nathan Herrera >Subject of the message: Re: EDP -- Group Buy II (form A) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 06:02:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21854; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:19:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:19:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3760160C.FAB09C12@subnet.virtual-pc.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:46:20 +0100 From: david cooper orton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: bailey book References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-JcA62.0._Q.qQ1Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kriist@aol.com wrote: > is this derek bailey? It is! > ive been seeing his name about lately > is the book anygood? Yes, its an extremely detailed look at improvisation in various musical contexts including Western art music, Indian (North & South), Flamenco, and jazz, originally written in 1980, then heavily revised in 1992 and published by Da Capo Press, New York. Out of print in the UK, but available via specialist music book retailers (or amazon.com etc) > is it technical(i.e.modes etc....) The parts about Indian music, explaining differences from Western notation are quite technical, although less about (playing) technique as suchso: > ...is it philosophical(approaches etc...) > more so, yes, exploring the distinction(s) - real or imagined - between inprovisation and composition - amongst other things. The book has been recommeded in this forum several times in the last few years, and depending on your tolerances, perhaps easier to deal with than Mr Bailey's guitar work(!) Cheers David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 06:02:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19947; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:08:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:08:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com'" , "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: EDP -- Group Buy II vs. Enhancements Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:38:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"xNLVS2.0.Jw7.BJ1Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Curbie - I suggest any ideas for enhancements be collected by someone else (KIM?). I'll gather a list of buyers. I'll make sure this list is forwarded to the correct people at the correct companies (sorry to be so vague). BTW -- The impression I was left with is when EDP production resumes, it will be in far far great numbers. My personal opinion is many of your suggestions are good ones, but any suggestions for big changes in the hardware may risk slowing and delaying any resumed production. ...Somewhat like asking your spouse to come back after a separation, but then asking that they get the facial surgery you had wanted them to get before. Not much of a come-on, eh? If Kim can collect these ideas and sort them into "Easy" "Hard" "Don't know" categories then maybe that can help get the easy ideas into the production loop (!!) David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Steve Han [mailto:curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 3:15 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Cc: 'DKirkdorffer@exapps.com' Subject: RE: EDP -- Group Buy II David, Great idea. Upon consolidating the orders, I propose we discuss improvements to be made for the newly produced EDPs. My comments are as follows: ****** "EDPs Input and Output levels are extremely sensitive and difficult to set visually as each individual EDPs I/O level settings are at different positions from eachother to reach the same level setting." "This is from reviewing 6 different EDPs consisting of my 2 EDPs and 4 others owned by friends." "BrotherSync is a myth and does not work, showing 'error' message, even with Master to Slave settings." "This maybe in part my fault from not knowing the intricacy in manipulating the EDP Sync system but I can't figure it out from the manual or on a EDP e-group." "Sync-ing with Midi In/Out/Thru works but the sync falls out of unison after approximately 8 minutes, fully discernable after about 12 to 13 minutes." "Foot Controller is very fragile and temperamental." "The Buttons (red) of the pedal are made of circuitry of the cheapest kinds and with the precise timing the EDP requires for performance, they are difficult to control with these cheap red buttons which behave unpredictably at times." "The maximum EDP capability of 198 seconds should be Standard for all newly produced units." "Most local Music Stores want to charge arm and a leg for a unit of EDP and if you want the pedal with it, they'll try to milk you for another $100 to $125." "Taking minimum 3 months to receive one from Gibson, only the true, dedicated loopers will order EDP while the EDP's capability can be marketed to the general musician and when advertised smartly, it can become a must have for every serious musician." "The price of Echoplex Digital Pro are prohibitive." "Mid $500.00 to mid $600.00 seems reasonable, which should include the pedal as part of the unit." "This is my opinion and experience and does not represent any other persons, groups, or identity." *********** I hope someone at Opcode / Gibson will give the above points some thought. The more popular the EDP, the more accessible to us the price and availability. Perhaps we should be promoting the EDP to every musicians, magazines, and music stores we know. I know some of us are already trying to promote EDPs but think of it... A pair of EDPs in every musician's garage... Thanks for the effort David. Curbie -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [SMTP:DKirkdorffer@exapps.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 9:46 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'; Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: EDP -- Group Buy II I cannot think of a better way to stimulate GIBSON into EDP production than a long list of profitable orders waiting to be fulfilled. With that in mind, I'm starting a list of people who really want to buy a NEW EDP. This list will be submitted to whoever picks up the production of the EDP. Clearly we can't KNOW the price of the unit at this time, so please assume it will be in the same $650-$700 range as before. I will NOT be accepting any money. I will not be a middleman. BUT, I WILL make sure this list is in the hands of people who can get the EDP produced again. I am providing two forms: A. "ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITED TO BUY AN EDP IF I CAN FIND ONE" ORDERS FORM B. "ONLY 99% OR LESS COMMITED" ORDERS FORM If you are ABSOLUTELY COMMITED and seriously want to buy an EDP, then use FORM A. If you're on the fence or uncommitted to paying $650-$700 for an NEW EDP, then use FORM B. KIM -- would you feel it is appropriate to post this form to the LD web-site? David Kirkdorffer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- FORM A A. "ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITED TO BUY AN EDP IF I CAN FIND ONE" ORDERS FORM Please provide the following details in the following format: A. NAME: A. MAILING ADDRESS: A. DAY PHONE: A. NIGHT PHONE: A. E-MAIL: A. NUMBER OF EDP'S YOU WANT TO ORDER: A. DATE YOU SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO GROUP BUY II: A. HOW MANY EDP'S DO YOU ALREADY OWN? A. DO YOU ALREADY OWN ANOTHER "LOOPER"? A. WHAT INSTRUMENT(S) DO YOU PLAY? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- FORM B B. "ONLY 99% OR LESS COMMITED" ORDERS FORM Please provide the following details in the following format: B. NAME: B. MAILING ADDRESS: B. DAY PHONE: B. NIGHT PHONE: B. E-MAIL: B. NUMBER OF EDP'S YOU WANT TO ORDER: B. DATE YOU SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO GROUP BUY II: B. HOW MANY EDP'S DO YOU ALREADY OWN? B. DO YOU ALREADY OWN ANOTHER "LOOPER"? B. WHAT INSTRUMENT(S) DO YOU PLAY? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 06:03:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA13150; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:38:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:38:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 14:51:14 +0200 From: "Martin van Wijk" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looking for Echoplex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"fIqGS.0.fA2.O2yMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id JAA13150 Hi, I'm looking for addresses of stores or people where i can buy a (used) Echoplex Digital Pro. Since i'm from The Netherlands, i'm especialy looking for addresses in The Netherlands, Belgium and Germany. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 06:05:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA25331; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:58:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:58:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990606145903.17665.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.64.195.116] From: ur eye To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loop Guru Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 07:59:02 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"B1wOX.0.vC3.YpeMt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was beginning to wonder when I would see these guys mentioned. Fantastic group. Three percussionists and bass/guitar/horn/? player grooving to a loop or two. Although the loop composer does not perform live with the others.(at least not in the 2 shows I was lucky enough to attend) He has some Koan compos too. One of the percussionists, Mad Jym, plays a heap of scrap metal among other stuff. Their disc, "Catalog of desires Vol.3", definately gets my vote for "loop of the week" Check 'em out Dennis C. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 06:06:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) id KAA25253; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:14:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:14:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <375E724A.EEFBA558@magi.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 08:55:24 -0500 From: d a v e X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: New to the list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"21cbx3.0.Id2.FFcNt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi All, I just subbed yesterday after visiting the Looper's Delight website for the first time. I had heard of it before but never actually visited. A little bit about myself: I'm 30. male and I live in Canada. I have a dream job in a New Media studio as a graphic/sound designer where I can indulge, to a large extent, my whims and get paid for it. I've been creating music on the side for years now which is a techno/industrial/ambient/breakcore/experimental mix. I joined this list because I want to introduce loops/drones into my repertoire. Of the tools of the trade listed on the loop site what would be the top recommendation in the "bang for buck" category? I want to spend under $300 for now and upgrade sometime in the next six months. I will be building an analogue modular synth system over the winter and perhaps this will prevent me from spending to freely so I will have some extra cash to throw at a better looping tool. All I have now is a Boss SP-202. dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 10:18:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20234; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:18:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:18:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3767A5D0.540703ED@node.net> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:25:37 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: In search of the ultimate looper?, &c. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EJwv13.0.vd2.7LwPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com loop-fruits: Hello, how are you? New to the list, I'm just gone jump right in: > Here are some features I'd love to see. Perhaps > something like MSP could do it in software, hmm... > MSP _is_ maybe the ultimate looper, along with being so much more. I know this digital audio plug-in for the MAX programming environment (it operates on what platform? the Macintosh operating system, you say?) has been discussed before but allow me to tout its splendors, even though I haven't used it since I got out of grad school in December(!) Not only do you get unlimited delay time, times however many separate loops you'd like, either within the first or in discrete files, the processing of those buffered sound files is enormous, with either MSP's own processing or the ability to bring in VST plug-ins. Those buffered loops may also be saved and called up any damn time you please, provided your hard drive doesn't punk out. "Sample rate modulation"? You bet your sweet bippie. AND! With the new Pluggo software/programming you have many more incredible VST plug-ins (not all of which, sadly, are available for real-time mojo in MSP) which you can use on audio files in something like Vision DSP and create your own VST plug-ins. Not to mention, for goodness' sake, the enormous potential for MIDI nirvana available via Max' real-time interactive MIDI engine. With consumer Powerbooks coming down the pike "any day now" within the $1300 range, and the MAX/MSP bundle at $495, this is a cheaper solution than, say, an Eventide, with about a quintillion more options as well as a (they say) lovely translucent iMac-looking exoskeleton. Whew. 'Nuff evangelizing... > -- click removal/endpoint smoothing > crossfade between the beginning and end of a loop. > controllable crossfade time (and fade shape?) > Blurring out noisesome end/beginningpoints _is_ one thing MSP hasn't cracked...yet... > -- loop "tweaking": real time effects on a loop. > There is much to be said about dedicated hardware, of course. Have I missed something or do none of the favored loopers have effects loops? Seems like it's so obvious and makes it easier to get effects back into the loop utilizing this method. I may have missed something... Finally, the "&c." > I did talk to some Gibson and Opcode people this week, keep up the pressure > on those guys! The more they hear from folks the faster they will go, and > the message is just starting to get to the right people. If you go here: > http://www.opcode.com/forms/feedback.html you can send a mail to the Opcode > sales department. Or call them at 650-429-2400. > Have I missed something or isn't the Echoplex made by the Oberheim division of Gibson, not the Opcode (the Vision/MAX folk) division? Sorry if that's old news to you all, but, if Oberheim went south and/or got sucked into Opcode, it'd be big news to me and my team of financial planners. Thanks. Palindromplicity. Good day. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 10:29:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22529; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:29:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:29:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "bethany cassin" To: Subject: unsubscribe from list Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:49:27 -0000 Message-ID: <000001beb7dd$870bb760$cf22f7a5@bc-hp-vec-133> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"U7PYr.0.7d3.FjwPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Too much mail. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 10:30:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22693; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:30:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:30:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Michael Tuminello'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: David Kirkdorffer Subject: RE: power in numbers? Group Wanting to buy an EDP Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:34:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"X986S.0.3C3.uXwPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com RE: Group wanting to buy an EDP. At this time, here are the standings: Eight (8) individuals have submitted "Form A. 100% Committed Orders" for an EDP where-ever / whenever they can get them Two (2) individuals have submitted "Form B. Only 99% Committed Orders" I have also received one submission that is not clear as to 100% or Only 99% status. I'm trying to clarify that one before adding to any standings. I must confess, I'm suprized the numbers are so low. After all the noise about wanting an EDP, and the rush to get them from E-BAY etc... So, here is my earlier e-mail with the submission forms again. Please know I will hold all personal information in strictest confidence. When the time comes, I will let everyone who submitted a request know exactly who the list was given to. Maybe we need a goal. I think 50 submissions would be a good start. David Kirkdorffer P.S. For those not interested in an EDP, I'm sorry to take up this bandwidth -- but this is the best forum to keep the issue alive. Here's that e-mail again... ____________________________________________________________________________ ______ I cannot think of a better way to stimulate GIBSON into EDP production than a long list of profitable orders waiting to be fulfilled. With that in mind, I'm starting a list of people who really want to buy a NEW EDP. This list will be submitted to whoever picks up the production of the EDP. Clearly we can't KNOW the price of the unit at this time, so please assume it will be in the same $650-$700 range as before. I will NOT be accepting any money. I will not be a middleman. BUT, I WILL make sure this list is in the hands of people who can get the EDP produced again. I am providing two forms: A. "ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITED TO BUY AN EDP IF I CAN FIND ONE" ORDERS FORM B. "ONLY 99% OR LESS COMMITED" ORDERS FORM If you are ABSOLUTELY COMMITED and seriously want to buy an EDP, then use FORM A. If you're on the fence or uncommitted to paying $650-$700 for an NEW EDP, then use FORM B. KIM -- would you feel it is appropriate to post this form to the LD web-site? David Kirkdorffer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- FORM A A. "ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITED TO BUY AN EDP IF I CAN FIND ONE" ORDERS FORM Please provide the following details in the following format: A. NAME: A. MAILING ADDRESS: A. DAY PHONE: A. NIGHT PHONE: A. E-MAIL: A. NUMBER OF EDP'S YOU WANT TO ORDER: A. DATE YOU SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO GROUP BUY II: A. HOW MANY EDP'S DO YOU ALREADY OWN? A. DO YOU ALREADY OWN ANOTHER "LOOPER"? A. WHAT INSTRUMENT(S) DO YOU PLAY? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- FORM B B. "ONLY 99% OR LESS COMMITED" ORDERS FORM Please provide the following details in the following format: B. NAME: B. MAILING ADDRESS: B. DAY PHONE: B. NIGHT PHONE: B. E-MAIL: B. NUMBER OF EDP'S YOU WANT TO ORDER: B. DATE YOU SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO GROUP BUY II: B. HOW MANY EDP'S DO YOU ALREADY OWN? B. DO YOU ALREADY OWN ANOTHER "LOOPER"? B. WHAT INSTRUMENT(S) DO YOU PLAY? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 11:10:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30476; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:10:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:10:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:23:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: RE: power in numbers? Group Wanting to buy an EDP Resent-Message-ID: <"8v3W9.0.x-4.-9xPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, it may not be a ton, but it's $6000 - $7000 we're talking about here so far, and this is for a company that just cut the prices on its flagship product (SVP & Vision). I hope we get more together soon. As Kim suggested, I have personally harassed Opcode via their form, and mentioned that I happen to be a repeat SVP customer, which I can only hope might make them favorably inclined to listen. If Opcode is handling the EDP, then as far as I can see, the EDP would be the most guitar-focused product they are currently selling. I would expect them to make more of the opportunity of merging with Gibson, and come out with some great guitar products. MT >RE: Group wanting to buy an EDP. > >At this time, here are the standings: > >Eight (8) individuals have submitted "Form A. 100% Committed Orders" for an >EDP where-ever / whenever they can get them > >Two (2) individuals have submitted "Form B. Only 99% Committed Orders" > >I have also received one submission that is not clear as to 100% or Only 99% >status. I'm trying to clarify that one before adding to any standings. > >I must confess, I'm suprized the numbers are so low. After all the noise >about wanting an EDP, and the rush to get them from E-BAY etc... > >So, here is my earlier e-mail with the submission forms again. Please know >I will hold all personal information in strictest confidence. When the time >comes, I will let everyone who submitted a request know exactly who the list >was given to. > >Maybe we need a goal. I think 50 submissions would be a good start. > >David Kirkdorffer > >P.S. For those not interested in an EDP, I'm sorry to take up this bandwidth >-- but this is the best forum to keep the issue alive. > > >Here's that e-mail again... >____________________________________________________________________________ M» From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 12:24:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11605; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:24:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:24:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C054@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> From: "Wordsman, Lee" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Time machine cache Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:23:05 -0400 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"ui7dJ3.0.P5.t3yPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com $269 seems like a lot of cash for a time machine. > -----Original Message----- > From: Keenan Lawler [mailto:klaw@konstant.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 10:38 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Time machine cache > > > Hey everybody -I know theres a lot of interest about these > machines on the > list so ill post this to satiate those twistyknobbed > challenged loopers > Anyone in the market for a rackmount Digitech time machine > (8secs looping) > should be aware of a stockpile of em sitting at the Doo Wop shop in > Louisville Ky 502-456-5250 > these units are in great condition -some are new old stock > -&269.00 each > -also a multi play mod /dlay pedal for $ 73.00 > > estimate about 10 of em ----- > > > no jam man -or EDP though---- > > > > K > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 12:24:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11612; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:24:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:24:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:43:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: power in numbers? Group Wanting to buy an EDP Resent-Message-ID: <"azlgB1.0.s41.VNyPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >B. NAME: Tom Ritchford >B. MAILING ADDRESS: 153 Chrystie St, NY, NY 10002 >B. DAY PHONE: 917 449-8190 >B. NIGHT PHONE: >B. E-MAIL: tom@swirly.com >B. NUMBER OF EDP'S YOU WANT TO ORDER: 1 >B. DATE YOU SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO GROUP BUY II: 6/16 > >B. HOW MANY EDP'S DO YOU ALREADY OWN? 0 > >B. DO YOU ALREADY OWN ANOTHER "LOOPER"? No > >B. WHAT INSTRUMENT(S) DO YOU PLAY? electronic wind instrument, drums, bass, vox, etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 14:10:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32528; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:10:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:10:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990616120610.00b4cac0@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:09:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: The world according to Opcode.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MnHl43.0.g25.mezPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com After posting a message regarding production of the EDP to their web page form, I got back the following response: "There are no plans for Opcode to handle this product" Perhaps they are resorting to form letter responses for any email containing the word EDP. ;) Lorren Stafford Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound http://www.winternet.com/~r4c "We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 14:13:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00557; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:13:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:13:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:11:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: WHOOPS! (was RE: power in numbers? Group Wanting to buy an EDP) Resent-Message-ID: <"hU8vx3.0.u35.yezPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ignore that last message... a dreadful slip... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 15:27:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15086; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:27:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:27:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990616120610.00b4cac0@mail.winternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:46:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The world according to Opcode.... Resent-Message-ID: <"CIdNu2.0.Ul1.N3_Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:09 AM -0700 6/16/99, L. Stafford wrote: >After posting a message regarding production of the EDP to their web page >form, I got back the following response: >"There are no plans for Opcode to handle this product" > >Perhaps they are resorting to form letter responses for any email >containing the word EDP. ;) > Like I said, Don't take no for an answer. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 16:12:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23757; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:12:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:12:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990616192447.55251.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.0.173] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: In search of the ultimate looper? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:24:46 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Z1h8G2.0.Ra3.fe_Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Have everyone forgotten that EH 16 second delay contraption circa 1984? I've never used one but I think Belew & Fripp were pretty enthused about it when it came. >From: SoundFNR@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: In search of the ultimate looper? >Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:17:37 EDT > >There'll never be just one >not affordably anyway > >so I suggest > >1) Ultimate looper > like Tom suggested > > > >2) affordable performance looper > (sort of a super jamplex-on -a-budget) > features > i) can set up loop by tapping once to start then once to loop, > but can then go into echo mode (ie feedback controllable) > and so that you can overdub straight away. > ii) can tap in new loop time without glitching (JamMan won't usually >do >this) > in fact let's have all functions glitch free. > iii) reverse play (popular), and change playback speed. > > iv) 3 simultaneous loops which can be either the same length( but >start > at an arbitrary point), or unrelated length. > Possibly loops of 'related' length. > v) One of the above loops will always be the 'current' loop which >can >be > altered lenghwise, reversed, added to , or erased. > vi) Separate outputs for each loop (optional) or stereo panning > vii) loop time total 60s , expandable with easily available cheap >chips. > viii) footpedal controlled (or stomp box) > a) tap time, 3rd press deletes loop > b) select current loop > > ix) LED display of 'current' loop no. > >regeneration for the current loop could be set with a knob on the box, >possibly >options like ' non current loops don't fade' > ' global control of fade rate' > >I've left out any pitch-shift/time-stretch and modulation to be done >externally. > >This is only my starting suggestion, but remember each new feature >may well up the cost. > >Andy Butler > >otherwise ultimate looper might be a vortex with extra memory > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 15:56:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20708; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:56:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:56:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <17077d72.24995269@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:18:01 EDT Subject: For Sale To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: <"8YG2Z1.0.1I3.OY_Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For sale by original owner EH 16-second digital delay.Please direct offers and questions to: loopbozo@aol.com Bryan Helm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 16:27:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26732; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:27:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:27:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990616192819.83256.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.0.173] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: chorus echo & space echo Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:28:18 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"8vJoN1.0.Jm3.yh_Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A pity roland wouldn't reissue a digital updated version of their old space echo or chorus echo tape delays. My first sound on sound soundscaping experience (I was 13). I look back on those machines with great fondness. >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Lexicon & JAMMAN >Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:04:17 -0700 > > >David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > >>My guess is the best one can hope for from Lexicon re:JAMMAN is what >they > >>are doing now -- that is, building some/many JAMMAN like capabilities >into > >>other effects devices they produce. > > > >Hey, the Echoplex got reissued, now didn't it? It did take a little > >time, mind you, and it was somewhat different. > >Actually, the Echoplex is not a "reissue" of anything. There is the ancient >tape delay from decades ago called "Echoplex". It happens that Gibson owns >this name. When Gibson decided to license this fascinating looping machine >from Matthias Grob decades later, somebody thought, "hey, we have this >Echoplex name, let's call it that!" And it was deliciously subversive and >so it was done. > >But the two device have nothing to do with each other at all, really. > >and the current Echoplex Digital Pro (as we brilliantly named it...) has >never been discontinued, so it's not yet in a position to be >"reissued"....at least not yet. it's just on one of its yearly >"sabbaticals"...;-) > > >I'm sure Lexicon would love to have more of a presence in the > >lower-priced effects market as there is a great deal of volume > >in that area, even though the margins are smaller. > > > >I can imagine that they'd release an improved version, though... > >a "son of JamMan" which had better MIDI and that sort of thing. > >Lexicon lost a boatload of money on the jamman. (largely because they >didn't have a very solid grasp on "low cost" markets at the time.) When >they killed it, they had a warehouse full of unsellable jammans! it was a >running internal joke there for quite a few years. The prospects for future >jammans have never been very good.... > >And now, Lex has largely lost the autonomy they once enjoyed within the >Harmon organization, which is probably a bit sad. I wouldn't place my chips >on that square, but you never know.... > > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 16:31:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27577; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:31:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:31:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3767FB00.7C048B31@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:29:05 -0400 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3M0yC3.0.zn3.li_Pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This fellow has a vortex for sale for $150 if anyone's interested cwalle01@athena.louisville.edu I think this was already posted once, but here it is again. It was from Harmony Central but I received an e-mail this morning letting me know he still has it. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 17:41:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09077; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:41:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:41:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990616210334.1221.rocketmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:03:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: what opcode said to me To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"0quTO1.0.dP.m41Qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wrote to opcode about EDP availability, and they wrote me: --- infoone wrote: > Check with www.gibson.com. We dont handle those > products. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 19:18:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23291; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:18:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:18:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990616145051.01523b10@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:50:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: what my mama said to me In-Reply-To: <19990616210334.1221.rocketmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LzAoZ2.0.4a2.Jl1Qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I asked my mother about EDP production. She said she doesn't know about it. damn. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 19:17:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23213; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:17:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:17:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Michael Tuminello'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: David Kirkdorffer Subject: retailers and distributors -- EDP Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:14:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"zs9iJ.0.pu3.V92Qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Another critical we must pursue to re-ignite production of the EDP is with musical equipment retailers and distributors. With pull for the EDP from the retail channel, we will catch the attention of the powers that be....er, powerful. Here's what I suggest. 1. Go to your local musical equipment retailer 2. Ask for an EDP 3. When you hear "They don't make them anymore" or "How do I get one?" ask them to contact: Gibson Gibson Guitar Corp., 1818 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, TN 37210 Mike Ayers or 800-777-0795 x382. He might be able to help you locate a unit if you are looking for it. Also, Gibson's Customer Relations Department toll-free at 1.800.4.GIBSON. Email address: relations@gibson.com David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 16 21:06:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03878; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:06:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:06:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:30:36 EDT Subject: Re: what my mama said to me To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"EbnCC.0.xs7.494Qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/16/99 10:18:01 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, sean_@mindspring.com writes: << I asked my mother about EDP production. She said she doesn't know about it. damn. >> my most sainted mamma said, and i quote," michaelnotmiko, i have never seen you so happy since you got your rang, go and get another one".......honest, this is what she said...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 06:17:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09656; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:17:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:17:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:37:51 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fripp & the EH16 In-Reply-To: <19990616192447.55251.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"30nMG2.0.il.5GBQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Have everyone forgotten that EH 16 second delay contraption circa 1984? > I've never used one but I think Belew & Fripp were pretty enthused about it > when it came. > > I saw Robert Fripp performing with one of these in Liverpool in 1984. This was a spontaneous "tour" following cancellation of a recording session with the Roches and was in Probe Records which held ca. 30 people sardine style with many more outside (anyone seen a smaller loop venue?). He had a floor full of kit including GR300 and 700 synths, custom pedal board with the EH16, a Roland SpaceEcho and small mixer set up near his left hand (remember he is left handed). He must have played for about 40 minutes showing great command of the EH16 (reversing, overdubbing, reversing again, stretching, overbudding, un-stretching(?) and playing incredible lead over the top of it all, before fielding questions I think this performance left me the loop enthusiast I am today. I truely hope that DGM will release some material he produced with this set-up as it showed the incredible freedom of composition that a man under no pressure to "perform" can achieve. I saw him perform in Salisbury Cathederal (97) with his TC electronics set-up and although this was an awinspiring venue the material lacked a certain bite. Ah, the mellowness that comes with age. Enough ramble - Jim Carter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 06:47:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11689; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:47:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:47:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990617091249.20987.rocketmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 02:12:49 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Patchbays and pedals and Pulses (Oh My!) To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"xwmBV.0.3I1.imBQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com *** My Email crashed as I was sending this yesterday morning. If you've already received it, please excuse the repeat. I checked the archives, but it did not appear with yesterday's postings. JT Since I hold some of you gentlemen responsible for my current situation, I think it's only fair that I post these questions to the list. I will soon be adding a 2nd patchbay to my little home studio. While working on diagrams of possible configur- ations for my equipment, I have come to the conclusion that I am no longer (if I ever was) a "normal" kind of guy. I have been effectively "denormaled" by my association with Loopers Delight. I'm looping with the Echoplex & the Vortex. I'm even doing it on my Digitech 2101 and 2112. Now try to work into the equation the rack power amp, compressor, mixer channel ins & outs & effects sends & returns, etc. I just want to have complete flexibility as to who's on first, who's on second. While working on patchbay configurations, it occurred to me that, to this point, all of my patchbay connec- tions have been strictly for audio, even though a lot of my equipment has back panel inputs for cv/exp pedals, sync connections, footswitches, what have you. Is it advisable to use a patchbay for these types of connections? There was an article in EM a while back on patchbays, but I don't recall seeing anything like this in their setup examples. I would be using a balanced, 1/4", denormaled patchbay. At the very least, I'm wondering if it might cause interference with adjacent audio connections, or at worst, cause an unpleasant aroma. Any guidance is appreciated. BONUS QUESTION*** Would any of you care to comment on the Waldorf Pulse Plus synth? Rack mount, mono, analogue synth with built in cv/gate interface, audio in for filtering external audio. It appears that you can route the LFO to the #2 CV output to modulate other equipment with cv inputs. The LFO has sine, tri, saw (up ramp), pulse, & random waveforms. The LFO has a slow speed of 0.0008 Hz (1 cycle every 2 minutes) up to a fast rate of 261.6 Hz. I was led to this in a very round about way thanks to links provided by David Coffin, who was responding to my earlier inquiry about external LFOs. Dave provided the link to Kenton Electronics, which led to the Analogue Heaven Mail Archives, which led me to peruse back issues of Keyboard magazine where I found a review of the Waldorf. Playing guitar used to be easier than this. I did my duty and emailed Opcode, how about you? John === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 07:20:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14063; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:20:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:20:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E094714B8DA@letterbox.kscl.com> From: Anthony Mullen To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Auto Loop Finding Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:57:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"bJd7H1.0.k22.HRCQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Anyone know of a decent PC s/w tool to trim those loops (typically breaks) that come with the extra kick/bit on the end - you know the kind from sample CDs. Removing the end portion proves to be a hassle when doing loads of them......when importing to Acid. Any help much appreciated by my already waning wrists..... Thanks Anthony From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 08:21:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20751; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:21:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:21:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990617073545.0079fdb0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:35:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Fripp & the EH16 In-Reply-To: References: <19990616192447.55251.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vs_xl1.0._h3.elDQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:37 AM 6/17/99 +0100, you wrote: > >> Have everyone forgotten that EH 16 second delay contraption circa 1984? >> I've never used one but I think Belew & Fripp were pretty enthused about it >> when it came. >> >> >I saw Robert Fripp performing with one of these in Liverpool in 1984... Yeah, I caught Belew on his "Twang Bar King" tour in a small club in Boston right around that time. I had a good vantage point; I was right up at his monitor, front row, so I got a good gear-view. Belew even described his EH16 to the crowd, giving a little demo and referring to it as a "Fripp-in-the-Box"; I guess he hadn't had it very long and was pretty excited by it. He was using his Roland-equipped customised Jaguars at the time, and his JC120 was about 12 feet from my head, pointing right at me. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 08:23:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21104; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:23:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:23:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3768DE75.D73E9DFE@techno.ca> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:39:34 -0400 From: Neil Wiernik Reply-To: naw@techno.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Auto Loop Finding References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E094714B8DA@letterbox.kscl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dsZ6I2.0.Ln3.uoDQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Try,using ReCycle its designed for exactly what you want to do.... Its a properllerheads product........ Neil Wiernik PS Im new to this list so hello.... If you want to know more about me check out the links in my signature file. Anthony Mullen wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone know of a decent PC s/w tool to trim those loops (typically breaks) > that come with the extra kick/bit on the end - you know the kind from sample > CDs. > > Removing the end portion proves to be a hassle when doing loads of > them......when importing to Acid. > > Any help much appreciated by my already waning wrists..... > > Thanks > Anthony -- __________________________________________________________________ Neil Wiernik naw@techno.ca http://www.techno.ca/studio/naw __________________________________________________________________ Projects: http://www.kiasma.fng.fi/soundbox/ http://www.twelveinch.com/djs.html http://www.techno.ca/ntac http://cec.concordia.ca/Radio/Sonic%20Circuit/SonicCircuits2.html http://www.interaccess.org/aurora/wiernik.html http://www.er.uqam.ca/nobel/k31320/wier01.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 08:25:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21279; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:25:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:25:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3768DBF8.76301A4A@in2win.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:28:56 +0200 From: mark Organization: in2win Interactive Learning Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Auto Loop Finding References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E094714B8DA@letterbox.kscl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark.francombe@in2win.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Gc2B61.0.zi3.ylDQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anthony Mullen wrote: > > Hi, > > Anyone know of a decent PC s/w tool to trim those loops (typically breaks) > that come with the extra kick/bit on the end - you know the kind from sample > CDs. > > Removing the end portion proves to be a hassle when doing loads of > them......when importing to Acid. > > Any help much appreciated by my already waning wrists..... > > Thanks > Anthony Have you looked at the acid plugins for Soundforge, I think they may help you in what you need... Mark F -- \ -\ --\ ---\ ----\ -----\ ------\ -------\ --------\ ---------\ ----------\ -----------\ ------------\ mark-red-----\ --------------\ ---------------\ work------------\ -----------------\ in2win------------\ -------------------\ multimedia-designer-\ ovre-slottsgate-5----\ 0157-oslo-------------\ tlf.--22-40-29-94------\ fax--22-42-14-24--------\ e-mail--mark@in2win.com--\ web--http-//www.in2win.com\ ---------------------------\ ----------------------------\ personal---------------------\ tlf.-22-43-10-79--------------\ mob.-91-56-99-88---------------\ mark@8day.com-------------------\ christine@8day.com---------------\ ----------------------------------\ -----------------------------------\ redweb------------------------------\ http-//www.8day.com/redweb-----------\ --------------------------------------\ ---------------------------------------\ icq-4531031-----------------------------\ -----------------------------------------\ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 08:33:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22454; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:33:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:33:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3768DDBB.A1B17C0E@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:36:27 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en-US,fr-BE,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Patchbays and pedals and Pulses (Oh My!) References: <19990617091249.20987.rocketmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kRgj13.0.w84.T3EQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John Tidwell wrote: snip > > I will soon be adding a 2nd patchbay to my little home > studio. While working on diagrams of possible > configur- > ations for my equipment, I have come to the conclusion > that I am no longer (if I ever was) a "normal" kind of > guy. I have been effectively "denormaled" by my > association with Loopers Delight. I'm looping with the > Echoplex & the Vortex. I'm even doing it on my > Digitech > 2101 and 2112. Now try to work into the equation the > rack power amp, compressor, mixer channel ins & outs & > effects sends & returns, etc. I just want to have > complete flexibility as to who's on first, who's on > second. > Hey john if you want the rolls of patchbays have a look at the switchblade audio switcher 16 in 16 out 100 programs that recalls your preprogrammed patches its at http://www.soundsculpture.com and download the small winblade application (PC) to have a good wiew of the huge potential of the patcher > > Would any of you care to comment on the Waldorf Pulse > Plus synth? Rack mount, mono, analogue synth with I own a 4 pole filter wich is the filter,adsr, etc stage of a pulse (NO oscillator tho) but made only for audio input Wonderful sound, very fast envellopes now choosing beetween the 4pole and the pulse is a compromise thing: Pulse: incredible fat analog mono synth but the audio in is just a goodie 4pole: only the filter,adsr etc but optimised for audio in but no sound generation ... did you think about a clavia Micro Modular www.clavia.se this one is on my wishlist hope this helps you and feel free to ask for more Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 10:09:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01001; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:09:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:09:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3768F50B.2FBD8E59@node.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:15:55 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The world according to Opcode.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N8so72.0.FZ6.3IFQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim: Not to be truculent, but this _is_ a looper's mailing list, so one imagines I'm within my right to be repetitive...shouldn't interested parties contact Oberheim if they be wanting an Echoplex, _not_ Opcode? Take "Bret "'s experience as a further example, where he receives the reply: > I wrote to opcode about EDP availability, and they > wrote me: > --- infoone wrote: > > Check with www.gibson.com. We dont handle those > > products. > Opcode makes MIDI software and certain MIDI/digital audio hardware products but hasn't exactly jumped onto the hardware signal processing bandwagon, to my knowledge (thus, the prior interest on the part of my team of financial planners, who have suddenly, not to say mysteriously, transformed into a byzantine assortment of MIDI-merge boxes and A/D mini 1/8"-to-S/PDIF ports). Both Opcode and Oberheim are, as we know, wholly-owned subsidiaries of Gibson and, it is very likely, at least one staff member in each "division" doesn't know what happened to his/her beloved Fonzie iron-on applique t-shirt from 1978; it is at this point, I'd wager, that all similarities between the two divisions cease. Perhaps "no" really does mean "no" -- if we want to hold certain feet to a certain fire, it'd help to know which body said feet are attached to. Please to advise. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Subject: > Re: The world according to Opcode.... > Date: > Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:46:35 -0700 > From: > Kim Flint > To: > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > > At 10:09 AM -0700 6/16/99, L. Stafford wrote: > >After posting a message regarding production of the EDP to their web page > >form, I got back the following response: > >"There are no plans for Opcode to handle this product" > > > >Perhaps they are resorting to form letter responses for any email > >containing the word EDP. ;) > > > > Like I said, Don't take no for an answer. :-) > > kim > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 10:59:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07702; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:59:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:59:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'L. Stafford'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Opcode, again Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:04:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"aufzQ1.0.K9.K3GQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Until such time as their is an official announcement, which will come from OPCODE's senior mannagement, the word we will hear from Help Desk and User Support avenues regarding the EDP will be what you have heard: "There are no plans for Opcode to handle this product" There are issues OPCODE is trying to resolve. I think they may have had some staff reductions, and their product lines have been shrunk. It's a sensitive time for them I suspect. However, OPCODE is beginning to become fully aware of the EDP, which is a new and foreign product to them. A few individuals at Gibson seems to be making a strong case for the EDP -- a product that they view has been way underproduced based on demand. I may be over-characterizing this, but they seem to be displaying a siege mentality. I think they want to make the choice for themselves as to what products they carry/produce/market. Maybe they feel this "EDP thing" is being rammed down their throat. So my limited experience says to me to be polite, and give them the infomation they need to determine if the EDP can be a profitable line for them. David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: L. Stafford [mailto:r4c@winternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 1:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The world according to Opcode.... After posting a message regarding production of the EDP to their web page form, I got back the following response: "There are no plans for Opcode to handle this product" Perhaps they are resorting to form letter responses for any email containing the word EDP. ;) Lorren Stafford Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound http://www.winternet.com/~r4c "We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 11:33:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13383; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:33:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:33:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37691B99.DE11CA99@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:00:25 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Auto Loop Finding References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E094714B8DA@letterbox.kscl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jjr9Z3.0.es1.QqGQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, I don't know any tools that will automatically trim a clip. How would it know where you really want it? Seems like stuff like that would take more tweaking to get to work correctly for each clip that it wouldn't be worth it. I could be wrong. However, if your wrists are aching, I'd recommend a graphics tablet. You can get them for about $100 and I feel they're well worth it. It's like using a pen. A bit awkward at first, but once you get used to it, it's well worth it. Mark Sottilaro http://web.syr.edu/~msottila/flashtest2.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 12:25:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21116; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:25:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:25:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906171534.IAA39654@scv2.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:34:20 -0500 Subject: EH-16 FS, $100 obo From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3fGR53.0.BL3.KMHQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com from Harmony Central: -- from Harmony Central: Electro-Harmonix 16 sec. Delay Asking Price: US$100 Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: Weird E.H. box, looks pretty old, belonged to my late uncle. Works fine. Makes some pretty bizarre sounds. A bit scratchy, but no significant damage. $100 or best offer. Seller: Pintler Gregory, (847) 545-7650 E-mail: andifeelfine1@hotmail.com (Profile) Location: CHICAGO, IL Post Date: 6/16/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 12:31:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22373; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:31:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:31:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:26:17 -0700 Message-ID: <001D0CD8.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: Patchbays and pedals and Pulses (Oh My!) To: Loopers Delight , John Tidwell Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"ckxSm1.0.AC3.wJHQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been using a TRS patch bay with my expression pedals and switches for years without any crosstalk or other problems... -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Patchbays and pedals and Pulses (Oh My!) Author: John Tidwell at INTERNET Date: 6/17/99 6:46 AM *** My Email crashed as I was sending this yesterday morning. If you've already received it, please excuse the repeat. I checked the archives, but it did not appear with yesterday's postings. JT Since I hold some of you gentlemen responsible for my current situation, I think it's only fair that I post these questions to the list. I will soon be adding a 2nd patchbay to my little home studio. While working on diagrams of possible configur- ations for my equipment, I have come to the conclusion that I am no longer (if I ever was) a "normal" kind of guy. I have been effectively "denormaled" by my association with Loopers Delight. I'm looping with the Echoplex & the Vortex. I'm even doing it on my Digitech 2101 and 2112. Now try to work into the equation the rack power amp, compressor, mixer channel ins & outs & effects sends & returns, etc. I just want to have complete flexibility as to who's on first, who's on second. While working on patchbay configurations, it occurred to me that, to this point, all of my patchbay connec- tions have been strictly for audio, even though a lot of my equipment has back panel inputs for cv/exp pedals, sync connections, footswitches, what have you. Is it advisable to use a patchbay for these types of connections? There was an article in EM a while back on patchbays, but I don't recall seeing anything like this in their setup examples. I would be using a balanced, 1/4", denormaled patchbay. At the very least, I'm wondering if it might cause interference with adjacent audio connections, or at worst, cause an unpleasant aroma. Any guidance is appreciated. BONUS QUESTION*** Would any of you care to comment on the Waldorf Pulse Plus synth? Rack mount, mono, analogue synth with built in cv/gate interface, audio in for filtering external audio. It appears that you can route the LFO to the #2 CV output to modulate other equipment with cv inputs. The LFO has sine, tri, saw (up ramp), pulse, & random waveforms. The LFO has a slow speed of 0.0008 Hz (1 cycle every 2 minutes) up to a fast rate of 261.6 Hz. I was led to this in a very round about way thanks to links provided by David Coffin, who was responding to my earlier inquiry about external LFOs. Dave provided the link to Kenton Electronics, which led to the Analogue Heaven Mail Archives, which led me to peruse back issues of Keyboard magazine where I found a review of the Waldorf. Playing guitar used to be easier than this. I did my duty and emailed Opcode, how about you? John === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 12:40:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24159; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:40:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:40:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37692732.521131C8@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:49:53 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loop kit. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eXgk1.0.kl3.pYHQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, Ok, look at us. A bunch of cry babies. Oh, we can't buy loopers, waaaaaaaaaaaaa! Yet we seem to be amongst some amazing hardware/software designers. I couldn't write a program to save my ass (I am, however, famous in the Cornell University Physics dept. for my c code that returns a negative integer: let x = x - 2x. My ex girlfriend, the astro physicist, circulated that Goldbergian code) but I am good with a soldering iron. Could a kit version of a looper device be a marketable product? Like the Heathkit stereos (and computers!) of the '70s? It's very obvious to me that the big boys don't seem to think that our toys are worth making. Maybe not in a mass market, but for a small business... Anyway, I really don't know much about the feasibility of such a project. Could it be profitable? Maybe not. Worth the labor of love? Possibly? The only thing I could offer would be help in marketing such a device via free web design. I'd do it just to have a product exist. I'm working on stuff for the looper's site as we speak (type) check out my site at: http://web.syr.edu/~msottila/flashtest2.html It's not done yet and very commercial (I'm trying to feed myself) but look at the web looping possibilities! It's not too hard and the files are pretty small. The program's interface is a bit obtuse, though. Anyway, for all those with web sites, get those loops up! You can get a free trial version (I think it actually saves) from macromedia.com. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 12:28:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21536; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:28:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:28:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:39:01 -0700 Message-ID: <001D0D0A.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: The world according to Opcode.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, James Keepnews Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"Wxr22.0.oe3.dVHQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please... just call Michael Ayers @ Gibson... he's the Oberheim support person. 1-800-444-2766, extension 382. None of us here knows more about the EDP situation than him. -Biffoz ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: The world according to Opcode.... Author: James Keepnews at INTERNET Date: 6/17/99 10:08 AM Kim: Not to be truculent, but this _is_ a looper's mailing list, so one imagines I'm within my right to be repetitive...shouldn't interested parties contact Oberheim if they be wanting an Echoplex, _not_ Opcode? Take "Bret "'s experience as a further example, where he receives the reply: > I wrote to opcode about EDP availability, and they > wrote me: > --- infoone wrote: > > Check with www.gibson.com. We dont handle those > > products. > Opcode makes MIDI software and certain MIDI/digital audio hardware products but hasn't exactly jumped onto the hardware signal processing bandwagon, to my knowledge (thus, the prior interest on the part of my team of financial planners, who have suddenly, not to say mysteriously, transformed into a byzantine assortment of MIDI-merge boxes and A/D mini 1/8"-to-S/PDIF ports). Both Opcode and Oberheim are, as we know, wholly-owned subsidiaries of Gibson and, it is very likely, at least one staff member in each "division" doesn't know what happened to his/her beloved Fonzie iron-on applique t-shirt from 1978; it is at this point, I'd wager, that all similarities between the two divisions cease. Perhaps "no" really does mean "no" -- if we want to hold certain feet to a certain fire, it'd help to know which body said feet are attached to. Please to advise. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Subject: > Re: The world according to Opcode.... > Date: > Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:46:35 -0700 > From: > Kim Flint > To: > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > > At 10:09 AM -0700 6/16/99, L. Stafford wrote: > >After posting a message regarding production of the EDP to their web page > >form, I got back the following response: > >"There are no plans for Opcode to handle this product" > > > >Perhaps they are resorting to form letter responses for any email > >containing the word EDP. ;) > > > > Like I said, Don't take no for an answer. :-) > > kim > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 13:06:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29514; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:06:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:06:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990617125717.007a4d40@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:57:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Patchbays and pedals and Pulses (Oh My!) In-Reply-To: <001D0CD8.C21407@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"p1O1N3.0.IO6.1TIQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone remember when that article ran? I'd like to read it, as my patchbay has somehow acquired some sort of AI mind of its own, and now does what it pleases, which isn't always what I want it to... Tim >Is it advisable to use a patchbay for these types of >connections? There was an article in EM a while back >on patchbays, but I don't recall seeing anything like >this in their setup examples. I would be using a >balanced, 1/4", denormaled patchbay. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 13:27:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01807; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:27:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37692429.9ECAF85D@node.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:36:57 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The world according to Opcode.... References: <001D0D0A.C21407@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Totby.0.3e5.WEIQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gang: Muchas apologias. It is big news re: Oberheim for us newbies; no big news to anyone else. None too surpirising, given the level of support (read: non-existent) the brand has had since Gibson made it their own. Sorry to take up so much space on this -- don't flame me mercilessly. Or mercifully, even... ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Biffle wrote: > Please... just call Michael Ayers @ Gibson... he's the Oberheim > support person. 1-800-444-2766, extension 382. None of us here knows > more about the EDP situation than him. > > -Biffoz > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: The world according to Opcode.... > Author: James Keepnews at INTERNET > Date: 6/17/99 10:08 AM > > Kim: > > Not to be truculent, but this _is_ a looper's mailing list, so one > imagines I'm within my right to be repetitive...shouldn't interested > parties contact Oberheim if they be wanting an Echoplex, _not_ Opcode? > Take "Bret "'s experience as a further example, > where he receives the reply: > > > I wrote to opcode about EDP availability, and they > > wrote me: > > --- infoone wrote: > > > Check with www.gibson.com. We dont handle those > > > products. > > > > Opcode makes MIDI software and certain MIDI/digital audio hardware > products but hasn't exactly jumped onto the hardware signal processing > bandwagon, to my knowledge (thus, the prior interest on the part of my > team of financial planners, who have suddenly, not to say mysteriously, > transformed into a byzantine assortment of MIDI-merge boxes and A/D mini > 1/8"-to-S/PDIF ports). Both Opcode and Oberheim are, as we know, > wholly-owned subsidiaries of Gibson and, it is very likely, at least one > staff member in each "division" doesn't know what happened to his/her > beloved Fonzie iron-on applique t-shirt from 1978; it is at this point, > I'd wager, that all similarities between the two divisions cease. > Perhaps "no" really does mean "no" -- if we want to hold certain feet to > a certain fire, it'd help to know which body said feet are attached to. > Please to advise. Thank you. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" > (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < > \ * -- Krishnamurti > - > - keepnews@node.net - < > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Subject: > > Re: The world according to Opcode.... > > Date: > > Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:46:35 -0700 > > From: > > Kim Flint > > To: > > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > > > > > > At 10:09 AM -0700 6/16/99, L. Stafford wrote: > > >After posting a message regarding production of the EDP to their web page > > >form, I got back the following response: > > >"There are no plans for Opcode to handle this product" > > > > > >Perhaps they are resorting to form letter responses for any email > > >containing the word EDP. ;) > > > > > > > Like I said, Don't take no for an answer. :-) > > > > kim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 13:27:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01754; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:27:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:27:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006001beb8df$da1cf060$192310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "ld thomson" , Subject: Re: In search of the ultimate looper? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:28:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"oFaQD.0.ks5.nIIQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 3:24 PM Subject: Re: In search of the ultimate looper? >Have everyone forgotten that EH 16 second delay contraption circa 1984? >I've never used one but I think Belew & Fripp were pretty enthused about it >when it came. > > >From time to time, mention of the EH 16-sec delay comes up. Having owned one for a couple of years back in the mid-to-late 80's, I can only say that it is better left alone. Among other things, it was poorly built, noisy, and had very poor bandwidth. At the time it was all there was (short of hauling around a couple of Revox's) but it has been greatly superceded by what is now available. If the reissue of the Micro Synth is any indication of EH's reissue mentality, we can expect no improvements on the original. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 13:23:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00684; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:23:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:23:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005701beb8e4$ed6499c0$7400a8c0@ws103> From: "Trevor Hartsell" To: References: <3.0.5.32.19990617125717.007a4d40@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: Patchbays and pedals and Pulses (Oh My!) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:14:57 -0700 Organization: http://www.introvert.org/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"8C-gu2.0.Ah7.yqIQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Does anyone remember when that article ran? I'd like to read it, as my > patchbay has somehow acquired some sort of AI mind of its own, and now does > what it pleases, which isn't always what I want it to... I wish I had a patchbay with a mind of its own. -Trevor, friend of chaos. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 13:50:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07844; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:50:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:50:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990617132624.007ac7f0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:26:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Loop kit. In-Reply-To: <37692732.521131C8@mailbox.syr.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"B5ct92.0.vr7.JuIQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Someone should suggest this to PAIA... honcho@paia.com is John Simonton. This might be the sort of thing those guys'd eat up. I mean, how much more practical than a looping device is their Theremax in terms of widespread market appeal? (Now a Theremin THROUGH a looping device, THAT could be dangerous!) A full-featured looper would probably be too complicated for a kit, but maybe something downscale with some useful features would be possible... Wouldn't hurt to ask! Tim (I'd just forward your posting to him, but netiquette, you know...) >...good >with a soldering iron. Could a kit version of a looper device be a >marketable product? Like the Heathkit stereos (and computers!) of the >'70s? It's very obvious to me that the big boys don't seem to think >that our toys are worth making. Maybe not in a mass market, but for a >small business... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 13:25:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01189; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:25:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:25:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <828ab4f1.249a7d61@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:33:37 EDT Subject: Re: Re[2]: The world according to Opcode.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"NQW0J.0.Ad5.GEIQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/17/99 11:28:14 AM Central Daylight Time, Mike.Biffle@wj.com writes: << Please... just call Michael Ayers @ Gibson... he's the Oberheim support person. 1-800-444-2766, extension 382. None of us here knows more about the EDP situation than him. >> This is the truth. I have spoken to several dealers. They know nothing. (Except for Alto Music.) They call their Gibson reps. They know nothing. It looks as if Oberhiem, Opcode, and everyone else beginning with O know nothing as well. Avoid them, I say. Mike Ayers knows something. Call him. He'll probably be downsized soon! kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 13:29:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02235; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:29:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:29:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D782@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: EH-16 FS, $100 obo Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:54:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"RK42N1.0.Zj6.DZIQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com it was gone in about one half hour. i was the 11th or 12th respondent . . . too bad. stig > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [SMTP:hartne.t@apple.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 08:34 > To: Looper's Delight > Subject: EH-16 FS, $100 obo > > from Harmony Central: > > -- > from Harmony Central: > > Electro-Harmonix 16 sec. Delay > > Asking Price: US$100 > Condition: Excellent > Age: N/A > Description: > > Weird E.H. box, looks pretty old, belonged to my late uncle. > Works fine. Makes some pretty bizarre sounds. A bit scratchy, but > no > significant damage. $100 or best offer. > > Seller: Pintler Gregory, (847) 545-7650 > E-mail: andifeelfine1@hotmail.com (Profile) > Location: CHICAGO, IL > Post Date: 6/16/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 14:10:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12996; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:10:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:10:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990617173913.006f4674@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:39:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: Auto Loop Finding Resent-Message-ID: <"-tSze3.0.AR1.-DJQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com try recycle or wavesurgeon but no automatic way to do it.... ciao leo At 10.57 17/06/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >Anyone know of a decent PC s/w tool to trim those loops (typically breaks) >that come with the extra kick/bit on the end - you know the kind from sample >CDs. > >Removing the end portion proves to be a hassle when doing loads of >them......when importing to Acid. > >Any help much appreciated by my already waning wrists..... > >Thanks >Anthony > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 14:10:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12924; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:10:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:10:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376933B2.C0F4C30C@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:43:17 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: what my mama said to me References: <3.0.5.32.19990616145051.01523b10@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QKcbS2.0.yP1.kDJQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sean wrote: > I asked my mother about EDP production. > > She said she doesn't know about it. we're getting the run-around. my mom said, "go ask your father." -lg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 14:45:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21234; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:45:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:45:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D786@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: In search of the ultimate looper? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:21:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"-uTOF3.0.gy3.CqJQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > From time to time, mention of the EH 16-sec delay comes up. Among other > things, it was poorly built, noisy, and > had very poor bandwidth. > ** that being said, some us still love 'em . . . > but it has been greatly superceded by what is > now available. > ** i guess that it comes down to what you value - - both in terms of sound and portability. also it does do some things that others can't; and can't do some things that others can. different strokes for different folks (if i can be so '70s). > If the reissue of the Micro Synth is any indication of EH's > reissue mentality, we can expect no improvements on the original. > ** there are issues that they could address to make a reissue better. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 15:14:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27606; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:14:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:14:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Boston Loopers Collective II - June 21 Middle East Downstairs Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:28:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"9w-2e3.0.LM4.FxJQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Boston Loopers Collective II The years shortest night -- Monday June 21st -- and The Middle East Downstairs will be host to the second gathering of Boston's Looping Collective. James Coleman - Theremin David Kirkdorffer / UNDO - Unguitar Jonathan LaMaster - Violin T.G. Noyes - Guitar Synth. Daniel Orlansky - Digeridoo The December 1998 gathering of The Collective was a tremendous success and possibly one of the best events of its type in a long time in Boston. The music is based on live layering and instant playback technology. Each musician has a very different voice that they bring to the moment. The sounds you'll hear will range from solitary and haunting, to dense and ominous. In addition, Dr. T. will provide live video mixing to stimulate your eyes as your ears are being tickled. Boston Loopers Collective II Monday June 21st Middle East Restaurant - Downstairs Central Square in Cambridge, MA The show will start at 8:00 and end at 11:00pm For further information, please respond to this e-mail. Please bring you consciousness however you will. dk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 17:22:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17730; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:22:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:22:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:15:31 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: EH-16 FS, $100 obo Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199906171615_MC2-79CF-3B1E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id QAA07837 Resent-Message-ID: <"4TCtr3.0.jw1.LVLQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I find this a little hard to believe. From what I have heard, most of these unit that are being offered for sale (for about 800 - 1500 $) are not working properly and cannot be fixed due to a lack of the components used at that time. Comments on availability/dependability of these antique sweeties? Best, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 19:21:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06835; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:21:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:21:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199906171615_MC2-79CF-3B1E@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:57:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: trying to buy a Headrush, any leads? Resent-Message-ID: <"YjI1f.0.gR.SoNQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I need it pretty soon but just heard from zzounds that they're back-ordered for two weeks. Anyone have any better ideas on what to do? /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 20:30:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03463; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:56:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:56:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <076001beb36f$e134fac0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: bailey book Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:34:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"SlfxI1.0.xx4.NS0Ot"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, it is Derek Bailey. The book (as yet unread) seems philosophical to me. He appears to cover alot of styles and people, Indian ragas, Baroque, Rock, Jazz, etc. and Max Roach, John Stevens, John Zorn, et al. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Kriist@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 12:04 PM Subject: bailey book >is this derek bailey? >ive been seeing his name about lately >is the book anygood? >is it technical(i.e.modes etc....) >or is it philosophical(approaches etc...) > >rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 20:31:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31787; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:40:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:40:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:06:48 EDT Subject: wot mama said to Buck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"RJFo.0.tG6.s6NQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com my moma told Buck... "... you better send him all his damn gear back, sonny. Don't you see he's gone simple?..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 20:31:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31939; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:16:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:16:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:37:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Time machine cache In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"bzcqt.0.mv5.pQxPt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey everybody -I know theres a lot of interest about these machines on the list so ill post this to satiate those twistyknobbed challenged loopers Anyone in the market for a rackmount Digitech time machine (8secs looping) should be aware of a stockpile of em sitting at the Doo Wop shop in Louisville Ky 502-456-5250 these units are in great condition -some are new old stock -&269.00 each -also a multi play mod /dlay pedal for $ 73.00 estimate about 10 of em ----- no jam man -or EDP though---- K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 23:01:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30311; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:01:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:01:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990617222905.007a5830@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:29:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: trying to buy a Headrush, any leads? In-Reply-To: References: <199906171615_MC2-79CF-3B1E@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0utBB1.0.606.3rQQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I ordered one from Musician's Friend late last week, and it arrived today. Tim At 06:57 PM 6/17/99 -0400, you wrote: > >I need it pretty soon but just heard from zzounds that they're back-ordered >for two weeks. Anyone have any better ideas on what to do? > > /t > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 17 23:45:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05035; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:45:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:45:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19990616192447.55251.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:27:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Fripp & the EH16 Resent-Message-ID: <"kM5rH1.0.UL.klRQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was one of those whose whose breath caught in their throats upon seeing the much loved EH 16 Sec on Harmony Central today for a measly hundred bucks. A 30-minite response time needed, surely--the guy didn't know what he had. That said, as someone has mentioned, they always were--and must now be even more--very iffy devices, prone to giving up the ghost without much notice. (Note to DIY people: don't try to rebuild one into a single-space rackmount. It worked fine for six months, and then...) $1500?! Even the $995 JamMan guys are making a smarter purchase, especially with the expected E-H reissue at the advance rumor stage. But if I had caught the H-C posting within a couple hours, I surely would have called, rusty jacks or whatever.... I saw RF use one at Tower records here in the Village about '85; must have been as an aside to one of the first two eighties-era KC tours. He gushed about being free of carting around the Revoxes and was obviously flattered on the issue of its nickname "Fripp-in-a-box". Throwaway little performance, but I still have a fifth-generation bootleg cassette (sue me, Robert) of a good 'un he did at Stonybrook around that time with the early Roland synth and EH, and continue to marvel that there seems to be no release of such material. It was a solid step beyond "Let The Power Fall", and far more musical than any of the "soundscapes". Surely the man has tapes; why he doesn't value them enough to make them available is puzzling. David Myers >> Have everyone forgotten that EH 16 second delay contraption circa 1984? >> I've never used one but I think Belew & Fripp were pretty enthused about it >> when it came. >> >I saw Robert Fripp performing with one of these in Liverpool in 1984. >This was a spontaneous "tour" following cancellation of a recording >session with the Roches and was in Probe Records which held ca. 30 >people sardine style with many more outside (anyone seen a smaller >loop venue?). >He had a floor full of kit including GR300 and 700 synths, custom >pedal board with the EH16, a Roland SpaceEcho and small mixer >set up near his left hand (remember he is left handed). > >He must have played for about 40 minutes showing great command of >the EH16 (reversing, overdubbing, reversing again, stretching, >overbudding, un-stretching(?) and playing incredible lead over the >top of it all, before fielding questions >I think this performance left me the loop enthusiast I am today. > >I truely hope that DGM will release some material he produced with >this set-up as it showed the incredible freedom of composition >that a man under no pressure to "perform" can achieve. >I saw him perform in Salisbury Cathederal (97) with his TC electronics >set-up and although this was an awinspiring venue the material >lacked a certain bite. Ah, the mellowness that comes with age. > >Enough ramble - Jim Carter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 02:04:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31822; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:04:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:04:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001a01beb94b$97c4dea0$8864aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <199906171615_MC2-79CF-3B1E@compuserve.com> <3.0.5.32.19990617222905.007a5830@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: trying to buy a Headrush, any leads? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:26:58 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"ne_nD2.0.YI6.zdTQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com American Music Supply catalog is another supplier. > I ordered one from Musician's Friend late last week, and it arrived today. > > Tim > > At 06:57 PM 6/17/99 -0400, you wrote: > > > >I need it pretty soon but just heard from zzounds that they're back-ordered > >for two weeks. Anyone have any better ideas on what to do? > > > > /t > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 06:25:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04201; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:25:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:25:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Alan.Maguire@CERT.IE Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: trying to buy a Headrush, any leads? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <01JCJJMJA2DO00MBBT@kira.team400.ie> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: <"4iTq21.0.xJ7.q9XQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Any loopers here living in London? I'll be there for the weekend and I'm hoping to pick up a Headrush, or maybe some other cheap looper device - I'd really appreciate any info re availability, where to look etc... Regards, Alan. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Subject: Re: trying to buy a Headrush, any leads? Author: alan_i@sprynet.com at TEAM400 Date: 6/18/99 6:26 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 06:45:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06834; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:45:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:45:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1282418589==_ma============" Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:05:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: IN THE LOOP Resent-Message-ID: <"LxbMH3.0.bN.geXQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --============_-1282418589==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We are happy to announce the release of our second FingerPaint CD, In the Loop. Audio samples are available at our site. As a special to LD members we are making this available for a limited time at $10 postpaid in the US, add an additional $2 for destinations outside the US. make your check or money order out to: Patrick Smith P.O. Box 5364 Takoma Park, MD 20913 Attached are two reviews. Fingerpaint- In The Loop (FNGP 9901) http://www.fingerpaint.net This is the second release by Fingerpaint of which I am aware of. For the most part it's quiet an enjoyable experience, based on loops, special effects, at times somewhat atonal. Almost haunting and alien, Fingerpaint none the less keep up an interesting range of electronic sounds which mirrors some of the moods explored on Primary Colors: Blue. There are moments of serene ambience interspersed with trippy electronics. Keep Your Eyes Peeled (or I'll peel 'em for ya ) kind of reminds me of electrofunk Miles Davis, a bit mad, a bit out there. I quite enjoy the clutter of noise that is created in the process. In The Loop is as beautiful a piece of music as you will ever hear. My ears pick up on an Eno sample, though for the moment I can't quite place it. The piece is far too short, and when it ends you almost feel cheated. Becoming Visible has an early 80's analogue feel to it, revisiting Tangerine Dream circa Phaedra / Rubycon. There are lots of trippy space sounds employed, as well as an up tempo rhythm pattern which keeps the piece moving along nicely . I get the impression these guys like to inhabit the bottom end of the synthesiser. At times the guitar becomes distorted, violent slashes of sound cut across the palate of sound as the alien soundscapes once again make their presence felt. Occupation Zone has a child like innocence about it, with effects and treatments occurring in the background. The last time I heard anything quite so strange was on a Burt Bacharach cover on Zorn's Tzadik label, where Kramer reinvented whatever Bacharach number he was performing to the point it became unrecognisable. Enormous Expansion is classic dark ambient again. 'Sounds' occurring repetitively in the background, sinister and evil atmospheres pervade the piece. Fingerpaint have a lot to offer for those that are ready to take the plunge into their strange and private world. Though not always pleasant to listen to they are an outfit that nonetheless deserve a far greater audience. Hans Stoeve c/o Power Spot 89.7FM Sydney, Australia http://www.users.bigpond.com/nadabrahma reviews / interviews / cd's for sale / the ultimate Jon Hassell webpage FINGERPAINT In the Loop FNGP Recordings The ambient electronic collective from Takoma Park Maryland known to the world as Fingerpaint have embarked on a new dimensional journey, whereby their soothing, yet seductively enigmatic sounds can be administered in larger dosages to audiences beyond the confines of their studio walls. With their intricate and melodic debut CD Primary Colors: Blue securely fastened in their catalog, soundscapers Patrick Smith and Steev Geest forge ahead into familiar, yet predominantly unchartered territory with In the Loop, an intelligent, stimulating mixture of minimalist spacebeats and obscure samples layered gently upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. Venturing into quasi-drum&bass arenas with tracks 'Becoming Visible' and 'Keep Your Eyes Peeled', Fingerpaint flirt graciously with their equipment, allowing rampant percussion loops to slam violently against a twisted chorus of distorted sampled vocals and staccatoed, searing beats. 'Occupation Zone' and the album closer 'In the Loop' offer a fresh innovative look into Fingerpaint's continued development as premier domestic sound architects. The stylistic navagation and construction heard on In the Loop avoids he usual textbook classification stereotype, highlighting the unique talents of Geest and Smith who manipulate sounds in unorthodox ways. Fingerpaint's ability to interpret and expand the conceptual nature of illbient make the whole experience that much more fashionable. Brad, Digital Artifact #12. http://www.fingerpaint.net --============_-1282418589==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" We are happy to announce the release of our second FingerPaint CD, In the Loop. Audio samples are available at our site. As a special to LD members we are making this available for a limited time at $10 postpaid in the US, add an additional $2 for destinations outside the US. make your check or money order out to: Patrick Smith P.O. Box 5364 Takoma Park, MD 20913 Attached are two reviews. Fingerpaint- In The Loop (FNGP 9901) http://www.fingerpaint.net This is the second release by Fingerpaint of which I am aware of. For the most part it's quiet an enjoyable experience, based on loops, special effects, at times somewhat atonal. Almost haunting and alien, Fingerpaint none the less keep up an interesting range of electronic sounds which mirrors some of the moods explored on Primary Colors: Blue. There are moments of serene ambience interspersed with trippy electronics. Keep Your Eyes Peeled (or I'll peel 'em for ya ) kind of reminds me of electrofunk Miles Davis, a bit mad, a bit out there. I quite enjoy the clutter of noise that is created in the process. In The Loop is as beautiful a piece of music as you will ever hear. My ears pick up on an Eno sample, though for the moment I can't quite place it. The piece is far too short, and when it ends you almost feel cheated. Becoming Visible has an early 80's analogue feel to it, revisiting Tangerine Dream circa Phaedra / Rubycon. There are lots of trippy space sounds employed, as well as an up tempo rhythm pattern which keeps the piece moving along nicely . I get the impression these guys like to inhabit the bottom end of the synthesiser. At times the guitar becomes distorted, violent slashes of sound cut across the palate of sound as the alien soundscapes once again make their presence felt. Occupation Zone has a child like innocence about it, with effects and treatments occurring in the background. The last time I heard anything quite so strange was on a Burt Bacharach cover on Zorn's Tzadik label, where Kramer reinvented whatever Bacharach number he was performing to the point it became unrecognisable. Enormous Expansion is classic dark ambient again. 'Sounds' occurring repetitively in the background, sinister and evil atmospheres pervade the piece. Fingerpaint have a lot to offer for those that are ready to take the plunge into their strange and private world. Though not always pleasant to listen to they are an outfit that nonetheless deserve a far greater audience. Hans Stoeve c/o Power Spot 89.7FM Sydney, Australia http://www.users.bigpond.com/nadabrahma reviews / interviews / cd's for sale / the ultimate Jon Hassell webpage FINGERPAINT In the Loop FNGP Recordings The ambient electronic collective from Takoma Park Maryland known to the world as Fingerpaint have embarked on a new dimensional journey, whereby their soothing, yet seductively enigmatic sounds can be administered in larger dosages to audiences beyond the confines of their studio walls. With their intricate and melodic debut CD Primary Colors: Blue securely fastened in their catalog, soundscapers Patrick Smith and Steev Geest forge ahead into familiar, yet predominantly unchartered territory with In the Loop, an intelligent, stimulating mixture of minimalist spacebeats and obscure samples layered gently upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. Venturing into quasi-drum&bass arenas with tracks 'Becoming Visible' and 'Keep Your Eyes Peeled', Fingerpaint flirt graciously with their equipment, allowing rampant percussion loops to slam violently against a twisted chorus of distorted sampled vocals and staccatoed, searing beats. 'Occupation Zone' and the album closer 'In the Loop' offer a fresh innovative look into Fingerpaint's continued development as premier domestic sound architects. The stylistic navagation and construction heard on In the Loop avoids he usual textbook classification stereotype, highlighting the unique talents of Geest and Smith who manipulate sounds in unorthodox ways. Fingerpaint's ability to interpret and expand the conceptual nature of illbient make the whole experience that much more fashionable. Brad, Digital Artifact #12. http://www.fingerpaint.net --============_-1282418589==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 07:29:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12143; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:29:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:29:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E09471654C3@letterbox.kscl.com> From: Anthony Mullen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Auto Loop Finding - apols - a clearer definition of need Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:42:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"zEIm.0.Lc1.mBYQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I should have been a little clearer....I was thinking of an automated batch tool to run through loads of 'nearly looped WAVs' and create loopable versions with the extra kick/cymbal/whatever trimmed from the end of the sound. I use recycle but doing it for ooomphty thousand loops will only scare my wrists......I'm sure someone mentioned a shareware PC util at some stage for doing this.... Thanks Anthony From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 08:06:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17341; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:06:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:06:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: trying to buy a Headrush, any leads? Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:12:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000301beb97b$6d6df030$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"su7zx2.0.MS2.HcYQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com They have them at Russo's Music Center in Trenton, NJ for $175.00. I just picked mine up there last week. Give them a call at (609)888-0620. I'm not sure whether they ship or not. They have the whole Akai pedal in-stock there. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 6:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: trying to buy a Headrush, any leads? I need it pretty soon but just heard from zzounds that they're back-ordered for two weeks. Anyone have any better ideas on what to do? /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 09:22:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29132; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:22:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:22:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376A3BB9.74C7EBC2@techno.ca> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:29:45 -0400 From: Neil Wiernik Reply-To: naw@techno.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Auto Loop Finding - apols - a clearer definition of need References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E09471654C3@letterbox.kscl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pGT3E2.0.tl4.vdZQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No such tool for batch looping, besides each and every loop has it own parametter to it. You would need towrite a script and even that would not work properly. Why would you want to be so lazy about it all anyhow? Arent you interested in being an active part of your art making process? Neil... Anthony Mullen wrote: > Hi, > > I should have been a little clearer....I was thinking of an automated batch > tool to run through loads of 'nearly looped WAVs' and create loopable > versions with the extra kick/cymbal/whatever trimmed from the end of the > sound. > > I use recycle but doing it for ooomphty thousand loops will only scare my > wrists......I'm sure someone mentioned a shareware PC util at some stage for > doing this.... > > Thanks > Anthony -- __________________________________________________________________ Neil Wiernik naw@techno.ca http://www.techno.ca/studio/naw __________________________________________________________________ Projects: http://www.kiasma.fng.fi/soundbox/ http://www.twelveinch.com/djs.html http://www.techno.ca/ntac http://cec.concordia.ca/Radio/Sonic%20Circuit/SonicCircuits2.html http://www.interaccess.org/aurora/wiernik.html http://www.er.uqam.ca/nobel/k31320/wier01.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 09:39:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32182; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:39:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:39:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:45:21 -0400 (EDT) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199906181245.IAA18264@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"fkMdg.0.jg5.zzZQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #119 June 17, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Neu Harmony recording group, AirSculpture. Adrian Beasley, John Christian, and Peter Ruczynski totally improvise their music! The feature CD at midnight was Europa. AirSculpture : http://www.softbase.co.uk/as Neu Harmony : http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Mario Schonwalder The Quiet Room Two Piece Box (Manikin) Paul Nagle Smoke Cyber Diver (Neu Harmony) Fanger & Kersten New Times Interkosmos (Manikin) Paul Mimlitsch Pastoral 1 Explorations on a Theme (none) VA [Asana] Re-Embodiment Harmonized (Neu Harmony) 12:00 am AirSculpture Part 1 Europa (Neu Harmony) AirSculpture Part 2 Europa (Neu Harmony) AirSculpture Part 3 Europa (Neu Harmony) AirSculpture Part 4 Europa (Neu Harmony) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will conclude the month-long focus on the British group AirSculpture. The Feature CD at Midnight will be Thunderhead on Neu Harmony. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 11:14:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17980; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:14:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:14:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199906180722.DAA11798@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:47:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: Reply from Gibson customer relations... Resent-Message-ID: <"90-iY2.0.wx2.WibQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's the word, as I got it, featuring an interesting use of the semi-colon: >Good morning; > >production of the Echoplex has been temporarily suspended, due to a >restructuring of Oberheim. We expect to be back in production in about three >months. > >Please stay tuned to our web site at; > >http://www.gibson.com > >for more information as it becomes available. > >Thanks for writing. MT From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 11:24:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20222; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:24:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:24:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376A6CBE.D235677D@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:58:56 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Auto Loop Finding - apols - a clearer definition of need References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E09471654C3@letterbox.kscl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bsZDd3.0.tW3.-ubQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, I forgot what platform you're working on, but I use a program called SoundMaker to do basic sound editing, but I bet almost any sample editing program will do this. First make a "masterloop" and make it your first track. Get rid if any zero crossing artifacts. You'll need a program that can deal with multiple tracks/samples at the same time. Then, put your other samples on new tracks. You'll probably need a healthy dollop of RAM. I use 168 meg. Then, when all your samples, or as many as your RAM will allow to be open, are loaded, click outside and to the right of the first sample (it should be the shortest) and drag down and to the left, until all the ends of the samples are selected. Then hit the delete key (or whatever your program calls for) This is how I do it. And get that graphics tablet! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 12:09:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28980; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:09:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:09:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990618153705.5914.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.7.63] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fripp & the EH16 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:37:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"nIjaK3.0.RY5.BVcQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did being THAT close to his Jazzchorus amp melt your brain?? Did it make you cry?? >From: Tim Nelson >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Fripp & the EH16 >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:35:45 -0400 > >At 09:37 AM 6/17/99 +0100, you wrote: > > > >> Have everyone forgotten that EH 16 second delay contraption circa 1984? > >> I've never used one but I think Belew & Fripp were pretty enthused >about >it > >> when it came. > >> > >> > >I saw Robert Fripp performing with one of these in Liverpool in 1984... > >Yeah, I caught Belew on his "Twang Bar King" tour in a small club in Boston >right around that time. I had a good vantage point; I was right up at his >monitor, front row, so I got a good gear-view. Belew even described his >EH16 to the crowd, giving a little demo and referring to it as a >"Fripp-in-the-Box"; I guess he hadn't had it very long and was pretty >excited by it. He was using his Roland-equipped customised Jaguars at the >time, and his JC120 was about 12 feet from my head, pointing right at me. > >Tim > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 12:08:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28963; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:08:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:08:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: BRENDAN.DEVITT@cicot.itochu.com X-Internal-ID: 3765181C00004842 X-DSN-ENVID: X400-Received: by mta ITCNYK51 in /PRMD=ITOCHU/ADMD=MCI/C=US; relayed; 18 Jun 1999 11:47:27 -0400 X400-Received: by mta ITCNYK01 in /PRMD=ITOCHU/ADMD=MCI/C=US; relayed; 18 Jun 1999 11:41:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re(2): trying to buy a Headrush, any leads? X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=ITOCHU/ADMD=MCI/C=US;DLCOT186-990618133256-466F] Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000301beb97bS6d6df030S87500218acc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com@MHS> Date: 18 Jun 1999 08:32:56 -0500 Importance: normal Autoforwarded: false X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Resent-Message-ID: <"tolfX3.0.t36.LfcQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com musician's friend has the Headrush for $199.- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 12:18:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31050; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:18:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:18:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990618153335.8807.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.7.63] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fripp & the EH16 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:33:34 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"BjeV73.0.YN5.wRcQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stories like that make cry. A beautiful thing to see no doubt! I'd be curious to know what his current gear is. >From: Jim Carter >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Fripp & the EH16 >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:37:51 +0100 (BST) > > > > Have everyone forgotten that EH 16 second delay contraption circa 1984? > > I've never used one but I think Belew & Fripp were pretty enthused about >it > > when it came. > > > > >I saw Robert Fripp performing with one of these in Liverpool in 1984. >This was a spontaneous "tour" following cancellation of a recording >session with the Roches and was in Probe Records which held ca. 30 >people sardine style with many more outside (anyone seen a smaller >loop venue?). >He had a floor full of kit including GR300 and 700 synths, custom >pedal board with the EH16, a Roland SpaceEcho and small mixer >set up near his left hand (remember he is left handed). > >He must have played for about 40 minutes showing great command of >the EH16 (reversing, overdubbing, reversing again, stretching, >overbudding, un-stretching(?) and playing incredible lead over the >top of it all, before fielding questions >I think this performance left me the loop enthusiast I am today. > >I truely hope that DGM will release some material he produced with >this set-up as it showed the incredible freedom of composition >that a man under no pressure to "perform" can achieve. >I saw him perform in Salisbury Cathederal (97) with his TC electronics >set-up and although this was an awinspiring venue the material >lacked a certain bite. Ah, the mellowness that comes with age. > >Enough ramble - Jim Carter > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 15:14:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31761; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:14:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:14:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376A9189.3F36CB68@jps.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:35:53 -0700 From: Roland Eberle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: trying to buy a Headrush, any leads? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uQAIX3.0.C96.Q7fQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Plus...if you order ONLINE vs. via telephone...MF is offering an additional 5% off all orders...just so ya know :-) BRENDAN.DEVITT@cicot.itochu.com wrote: > musician's friend has the Headrush for $199.- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 16:44:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12174; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:44:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:44:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <2eca099f.249c03fb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:20:11 EDT Subject: Re: trying to buy a Headrush, any leads? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZUSrA.0.iE2.IfgQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey-o, Have you tried out http://www.wmcworld.com for Chuck Levin's or Musician's Friend http://www.musiciansfriend.com (I think this is the proper url)? Another possible choice might be a Zoom 2100, which has turned out to be a pretty decent looper, especially once I sussed out a few of the multitude of controls on the beastie. Heads up, it's like a Mac; multitude of menus to go through. Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 20:23:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29191; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:23:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:23:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <43459422.249c3803@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:02:11 EDT Subject: Re: trying to buy a Headrush, any leads? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"zKuW32.0.z96.5vjQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/17/99 11:21:29 PM, you wrote: <> Russo's Music (609)888-0620 (Hamilton, N.J.) has the Headrush in stock for $174.99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 20:53:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02801; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:53:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:40:35 +0100 Subject: Re: In search of the ultimate looper? From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ld thomson , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"yDrLl2.0.Kl7.8NkQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" > From time to time, mention of the EH 16-sec delay comes up. Having owned one > for a couple of years back in the mid-to-late 80's, I can only say that it > is better left alone. If you want pristine digital sounding loops then steer clear of the EH16 but if you want a great, warm-sounding device that is quick to use and very musical then accept no substitute. > Among other things, it was poorly built, noisy, and >> had very poor bandwidth. EH were never known for their build quality, all of your hard-earned went on sound. As for noisy well, we are talking about early digital technology but I don't find noise a problem and one man's poor bandwidth is another man's soulful character. > but it has been greatly superceded by what is >> now available. No way! Nothing comes close to sounding like my EH! You can get bigger and "better" but this thing has a sound. Martin Shellard ----------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 20:53:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02922; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:53:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:53:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <9be9dd3b.249c3dcc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:26:52 EDT Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"Hofog2.0.gM7.vFkQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/18/99 1:39:32 PM, you wrote: <<11:00 pm Mario Schonwalder The Quiet Room Two Piece Box (Manikin) Paul Nagle Smoke Cyber Diver (Neu Harmony) Fanger & Kersten New Times Interkosmos (Manikin) Paul Mimlitsch Pastoral 1 Explorations on a Theme (none) VA [Asana] Re-Embodiment Harmonized (Neu Harmony)>> Cool :). Thanks Bill - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 21:27:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07953; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:27:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:27:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9be9dd3b.249c3dcc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:55:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"FymGv3.0.qt.RhkQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Congrats list Member Paul Mimlitsch... patrick >In a message dated 6/18/99 1:39:32 PM, you wrote: > ><<11:00 pm >Mario Schonwalder The Quiet Room Two Piece Box (Manikin) >Paul Nagle Smoke Cyber Diver (Neu Harmony) >Fanger & Kersten New Times Interkosmos (Manikin) >Paul Mimlitsch Pastoral 1 Explorations on a Theme >(none) >VA [Asana] Re-Embodiment Harmonized (Neu Harmony)>> > >Cool :). Thanks Bill - Paul http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 21:36:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09470; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:36:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:36:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:24:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Fripp & the EH16 From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"xMCOg1.0.qu1.y5lQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you go to: vg-8.com/mm/fripp.jpg you'll see a schematic of his recent setup. Martin Shellard ---------- >From: ld thomson >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Fripp & the EH16 >Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999, 4:33 pm > > Stories like that make cry. A beautiful thing to see no doubt! > I'd be curious to know what his current gear is. > > >>From: Jim Carter >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: Fripp & the EH16 >>Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:37:51 +0100 (BST) >> >> >> > Have everyone forgotten that EH 16 second delay contraption circa 1984? >> > I've never used one but I think Belew & Fripp were pretty enthused about >>it >> > when it came. >> > >> > >>I saw Robert Fripp performing with one of these in Liverpool in 1984. >>This was a spontaneous "tour" following cancellation of a recording >>session with the Roches and was in Probe Records which held ca. 30 >>people sardine style with many more outside (anyone seen a smaller >>loop venue?). >>He had a floor full of kit including GR300 and 700 synths, custom >>pedal board with the EH16, a Roland SpaceEcho and small mixer >>set up near his left hand (remember he is left handed). >> >>He must have played for about 40 minutes showing great command of >>the EH16 (reversing, overdubbing, reversing again, stretching, >>overbudding, un-stretching(?) and playing incredible lead over the >>top of it all, before fielding questions >>I think this performance left me the loop enthusiast I am today. >> >>I truely hope that DGM will release some material he produced with >>this set-up as it showed the incredible freedom of composition >>that a man under no pressure to "perform" can achieve. >>I saw him perform in Salisbury Cathederal (97) with his TC electronics >>set-up and although this was an awinspiring venue the material >>lacked a certain bite. Ah, the mellowness that comes with age. >> >>Enough ramble - Jim Carter >> > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 18 22:04:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15497; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:04:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:04:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:48:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: trying to buy a Headrush, any leads? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990617222905.007a5830@pop.ici.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"DAPtN2.0.En2.JSlQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What do you think of it? Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Tim Nelson wrote: > I ordered one from Musician's Friend late last week, and it arrived today. > > Tim > > At 06:57 PM 6/17/99 -0400, you wrote: > > > >I need it pretty soon but just heard from zzounds that they're back-ordered > >for two weeks. Anyone have any better ideas on what to do? > > > > /t > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 19 03:41:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07236; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 03:41:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 03:41:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990619065026.8817.qmail@www0d.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 18 Jun 99 23:50:26 PDT From: Dael Franke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hello, darlings. I seek the arms of Time. X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id DAA04366 Resent-Message-ID: <"yMtUz3.0.T41.IHqQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A friend once briefly blessed my humble stereo with a 7.6 second Digitech. Out of the mesmerizing soup that ensued boiled a tape of myself reading some favourite short stories while using a tiny R---o S---k microphone and an assortment of tiny odd objects to create looping backgrounds on the fly. My head burst into flames and I laughed at the wonder of it all. Did Digitech make anything better/more userish/more memoryish? Am I looking for an eight-second Time Machine? I just saw one on that wonderfully filthy Daddy's used stuff site for $229. I'm not a tech-head at all, and I haven't seen anything else in action. Whatta'ya'think? What are your favourites and why? chaetophile@hotmail.com thanks. Dael T. Franke ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 19 13:16:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14971; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:16:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:16:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376BD412.65C2@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 10:32:04 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: coffee swilling,bill paying,shameless self promotion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zdlsr1.0.bR3.BzyQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com An online label; Guitar Nine Records http://www.guitar9.com (whom other people on the list may find interesting as well) Has named me one of the top undiscovered artists for the month of June. (hmm,I wonder how long I can work this "undiscovered"angle?) Happy Looping- scott kungha D. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 19 14:27:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24819; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:27:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:27:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:53:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Lee Fletcher Subject: Re: trying to buy a Headrush, any leads? References: <01JCJJMJA2DO00MBBT@kira.team400.ie> In-Reply-To: <01JCJJMJA2DO00MBBT@kira.team400.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 Resent-Message-ID: <"_Mq8w1.0.Fz4.7czQt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been chasing the Headrush for weeks. I spoke to Akai recently who told me that they would be delivered to stores by the end of June. Most UK retailers however (well, the few who've actually heard of this unit!) say that it's more likely to be early/mid July. Good luck! Soho Soundhouse are selling the Zoom 2100 for 130 UK Pounds (including the expression pedal.) A bargain price for this surprisingly good unit. Alan.Maguire wrote : > Any loopers here living in London? I'll be there for the weekend and > I'm hoping to pick up a Headrush, or maybe some other cheap looper > device - I'd really appreciate any info re availability, where to look > etc... > > Regards, > Alan. -- Lee Fletcher From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 19 14:56:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28631; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:56:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:56:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 19:39:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Lee Fletcher Subject: Loopers Delight CD - Volume 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 Resent-Message-ID: <"O7Xxz1.0.eZ6.SH-Qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fellow Loopers, Since joining this list a few months ago I have never seen any mention of the 3rd Loopers Delight CD project. The Project Info Page gives April 1998 as the deadline, and I have drawn a blank with the Mailing List Archive. Is this project still alive? Any info would be most appreciated. I recently purchased Volume Two which makes for great listening. I'm not normally one for compilations, however this is not a 'normal' compilation! Great to hear loops with so many accents. Cheers, Lee Fletcher From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 19 15:27:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01334; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:27:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:27:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:07:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Loopers Delight CD - Volume 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Zkmyg3.0.gY7.tg-Qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 6/19/99 Lee fletcher said: >Fellow Loopers, > >Since joining this list a few months ago I have never seen any mention >of the 3rd Loopers Delight CD project. The Project Info Page gives April >1998 as the deadline, and I have drawn a blank with the Mailing List >Archive. > >Is this project still alive? Any info would be most appreciated. > >I recently purchased Volume Two which makes for great listening. I'm not >normally one for compilations, however this is not a 'normal' >compilation! Great to hear loops with so many accents. > >Cheers, > >Lee Fletcher hi lee, I think LD #3 is stuck in a feedback loop somewhere...too bad. I love #2 and even #1 for that matter. The first project never made it out to the public atlarge. These group processes can get real boged down in so many places. Currently 28 members of this list have ben circulating 4 cassettes whih are now being burnd to CD. I do not think this will be available to the larger looping public however. Stick around though and visit the various web sites. There are some great musicians on this list. patrick http://www.fingeerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 19 16:19:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09452; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:19:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:19:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376BF459.66BC2A84@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:49:45 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Time signatures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wJ0oR.0.a91.AG_Qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, I just wanted to find out if anyone knows of info sources on the net that could help me to understand time signatures better- I am trying to get a grip on how the 8th/beat setting and the current time sig in my dr-5 interact with one another and I would like to understand it- I know it is not difficult but any help would be appreciated- I have a gig tonight and will be using my EDP for the first time on an outing- I will have 3 loops set up and drum patterns to match- NOTE- I discovered that if you ever need to re-sync your drum mach w/ the EDP you can mute the loop, stop/start the drum mach and un-mute the loop at beat 1 and it re-synchs with the drum mach as long as you have mute set to "start" and not "continuous"- I was very glad to discover this- Take care, Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 19 20:35:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15363; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:35:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:35:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376BE706.523FA633@texas.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:52:56 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Kungha Subject: Re: coffee swilling,bill paying,shameless self promotion References: <376BD412.65C2@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QtiZi1.0.FD2.Ap2Rt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com congrats on being a famous unknown! skol. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 19 20:36:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15666; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:36:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:36:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <86da4bde.249d8f71@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:27:29 EDT Subject: Looper Search To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 78 Resent-Message-ID: <"OJ9GK3.0.KV3.TM3Rt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's a site with quite an extensive list of music related sites where one may track down that elusive "vintage" loop tool one's been searching for: <> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 19 21:18:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22145; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:18:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:18:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:47:12 EDT Subject: Re: Looper Search To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"knnmq3.0.NG4.Af3Rt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/19/99 11:36:48 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, PMimlitsch@aol.com writes: << http://www.servtech.com/~nuuj/nuuj.html >> great site........thanks........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 19 22:27:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32280; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:27:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:27:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906200129.UAA14748@mail.tds.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:29:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #250 From: "John Teti" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"03u3H2.0.mt5.YG4Rt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I'm coming from New Hampshire down I-93 to Boston. Can you give me directions to the Middle East Restaurant? Thanks, John ---------- >From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #250 >Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999, 3:22 AM > > Boston Loopers Collective II > Monday June 21st > Middle East Restaurant - Downstairs > Central Square in Cambridge, MA > > The show will start at 8:00 and end at 11:00pm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 19 22:31:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00567; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:31:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:31:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376C421D.87188439@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:21:33 -0400 From: theorcolus Reply-To: theorcolus@earthlink.net Organization: 144 MUSIC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Jef Lee Johnson & David C Gross at the Knitting Factory 6/23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w4gHi3.0.uc5.r94Rt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a note to let you know that Jef is out on the road and filling in for him will be Alexander Rastopchin on guitar. Hope some of you can make it! David C Gross www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/7773 The Knitting Factory presents in the "Old Office" 74 Leonard St. 212-219-3006 June 23rd 1999 8 PM & 9:30 PM Charles Burnham-violin Lance Carter-drums David C Gross-6 string fretless bass,electronics/loops Jef Lee Johnson-guitar "This is some far out funk!" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 20 00:58:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28512; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:58:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:58:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990619231030.00ac5670@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:26:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: New Danelectro analog "tape" delay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qqvZO.0.cL5.Ir6Rt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just picked one up today. It has a very warm analog sound, and while it doesn't have all the features of the headrush (I have a boomerang for long loops) it does have a nice warm, smooth sound to it. Controls are: Mix, Speed, Repeats (Decay), Hi-cut & lo-hi (short long) selector. Worth checking out for a tasty sounding analog "tape" delay. It has about 1 1/2-2 secs. delay time (at a guess, it doesn't say in the manual). I am a string player so I can't really vouch for how it sounds w/ guitar, but I would assume (considering its probably geared towards guitar-like things ;)) that it sounds as good. Like anything else, play w/ one yourself. Goes for 70-80 bucks new, your mileage may vary. Even cooler than this toy, I discovered "Smokey Amps" (www.smokeyamps.com). The coolest sounding (and smallest) solid state amp/fuzz box I've come across (for a mere 25 bucks). I may just ditch my 2 ton rackmount. *grin* It's built into a pack of smokes and features an average sounding 2 inch speaker (what do you expect) but it sounds REALLY good when you plug it into a cab. I was fairly impressed that something so tiny could sound so big (and so good). How cool is that? ;) Now if they could only fit an echoplex & rackmount fx into a matchbox I could fit my entire rig into a violin case. Lorren Stafford Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound http://www.winternet.com/~r4c "We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 20 02:45:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11055; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 02:45:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 02:45:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990620012912.01756d40@pop.interaccess.com> X-Sender: ths@pop.interaccess.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 01:29:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom S Subject: Re: Fripp & the EH16 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"o0PRo1.0.472.fd8Rt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi! Here are a link to Fripp's Discipline site if you haven't been there. It's got a discussion on soundscapes and the equipment used: http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/index.htm Also, another interesting looper/guitarist is Michael Brook. I've enjoyed his music a great deal, he records with Eno, Hassell, Fripp, Sylvian, and others. A great guitarist, I saw him with Fripp when they performed with David Sylvian. Brook opened up the show solo, and his looping stuff was outrageous. The link is : http://the-fringe.com/brook/instrumentation/index.html Enjoy! Tom ths@interaccess.com At 02:24 AM 6/19/99 +0100, you wrote: >If you go to: > vg-8.com/mm/fripp.jpg >you'll see a schematic of his recent setup. >Martin Shellard > >---------- >>From: ld thomson >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: Re: Fripp & the EH16 >>Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999, 4:33 pm >> > >> Stories like that make cry. A beautiful thing to see no doubt! >> I'd be curious to know what his current gear is. >> >> >>>From: Jim Carter >>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>>Subject: Fripp & the EH16 >>>Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:37:51 +0100 (BST) >>> >>> >>> > Have everyone forgotten that EH 16 second delay contraption circa 1984? >>> > I've never used one but I think Belew & Fripp were pretty enthused about >>>it >>> > when it came. >>> > >>> > >>>I saw Robert Fripp performing with one of these in Liverpool in 1984. >>>This was a spontaneous "tour" following cancellation of a recording >>>session with the Roches and was in Probe Records which held ca. 30 >>>people sardine style with many more outside (anyone seen a smaller >>>loop venue?). >>>He had a floor full of kit including GR300 and 700 synths, custom >>>pedal board with the EH16, a Roland SpaceEcho and small mixer >>>set up near his left hand (remember he is left handed). >>> >>>He must have played for about 40 minutes showing great command of >>>the EH16 (reversing, overdubbing, reversing again, stretching, >>>overbudding, un-stretching(?) and playing incredible lead over the >>>top of it all, before fielding questions >>>I think this performance left me the loop enthusiast I am today. >>> >>>I truely hope that DGM will release some material he produced with >>>this set-up as it showed the incredible freedom of composition >>>that a man under no pressure to "perform" can achieve. >>>I saw him perform in Salisbury Cathederal (97) with his TC electronics >>>set-up and although this was an awinspiring venue the material >>>lacked a certain bite. Ah, the mellowness that comes with age. >>> >>>Enough ramble - Jim Carter >>> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 20 05:34:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03159; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 05:34:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 05:34:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BEBB0D.C712CE60.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: I want LDCD Vol 1 - I want LDCD Vol 1 - I want LDCD Vol 1 - Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:09:22 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ca0xs2.0.el7.swARt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I recently purchased Volume Two which makes for great listening. I'm not > normally one for compilations, however this is not a 'normal' > compilation! Great to hear loops with so many accents. wait until you hear volume one - imho a way better representation of loop music than volume two. Now where is volume one? Ray Peck did a wonderful job putting wonderful music together, and now nothing happens - just a couple of CDR copies exist (the ones that went to the musicians). This thing clearly deserves becoming more famous!!! keeping it secret would really be a waste. Afaik, Matt McCabe who put together Vol2 was supposed to take care of this but I guess there was so little success with Vol2 that he doesn't feel too enthusiastic about putting effort into Vol1 ... Matt? Ray? Kim? Any news about this? * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 20 13:23:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29418; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:23:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:23:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376D2A01.45E46A92@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 12:50:58 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: coffee swilling,bill paying,shameless self promotion(catch 22) References: <376BD412.65C2@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L9afb.0.u76.4kHRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Doesn't being named the top undiscovered artists immediately make you discovered and therefore exempt for the title? Congratulations anyway! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 20 13:37:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31024; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:37:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:37:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376D2DA8.23FB29B4@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:06:34 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Small References: <4.1.19990619231030.00ac5670@mail.winternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YXaBX1.0.sb6.ZyHRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, The Danelectro post that talks about the small Smoky Amps made me think about a new type of speaker that I've heard about that uses very small electrostatic drivers and varies the phase of several ultrasonic (infrasonic?) frequencies to create a beat (interference) frequency in the range of human hearing. Supposedly, the thing is the size of a CD or so, and can produce very large sound levels with very low wattage because of it's efficiency. CAN YOU IMAGINE THE IMPLICATIONS? KEEPING YOUR SPEAKER CABINETS IN YOUR GUITAR CASE! Has any one heard of these speakers? Are they being marketed yet? Is this all to distract me from the UFO cover-up? Inquiring minds want to know! Mark Spookylaro. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 20 14:41:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07467; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:41:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:41:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:17:53 EDT Subject: Re: Small To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"es_xY1.0.g_.B2JRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/20/99 4:37:09 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, msottila@mailbox.syr.edu writes: << Has any one heard of these speakers? Are they being marketed yet? Is this all to distract me from the UFO cover-up? >> mark....how do you think these speakers got here......."small" grey men........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 20 14:43:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07804; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:43:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:43:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <376D2DA8.23FB29B4@mailbox.syr.edu> References: <4.1.19990619231030.00ac5670@mail.winternet.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:02:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Small Resent-Message-ID: <"ZhOeU1.0.-W.4rIRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mark Spookylaro wrote: >The Danelectro post that talks about the small Smoky Amps made me think >about a new type of speaker that I've heard about that uses very small >electrostatic drivers and varies the phase of several ultrasonic >(infrasonic?) frequencies to create a beat (interference) frequency in >the range of human hearing. Supposedly, the thing is the size of a CD >or so, and can produce very large sound levels with very low wattage >because of its efficiency. CAN YOU IMAGINE THE IMPLICATIONS? KEEPING >YOUR SPEAKER CABINETS IN YOUR GUITAR CASE! acoustic heterodyning is the name of the technique, I believe... and the speakers are incredibly small, postage stamp sized. you could get deafening sound from a quarter-watt speaker, so I'm told. However there are several downsides. The first is that they are extremely directional... you could hear immense sound, I could hear nothing. The second is that they haven't made it out of the lab into speakers yet as they are so new. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 20 21:21:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25074; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:21:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:21:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906210055.RAA13112@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 15:44:10 -0700 Subject: Re: I want LDCD Vol 1 - I want LDCD Vol 1 - I want LDCD Vol 1 - From: "Matt and Kristy McCabe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vaomG1.0.dI5.asORt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Afaik, Matt McCabe who put together Vol2 was supposed to take care of this >but I guess there was so little success with Vol2 that he doesn't feel too >enthusiastic about putting effort into Vol1 ... I simply volunteered to sell Volume 1 through Marathon Records if it became available in quantity. __________________________________ Matthew F. McCabe Finley Sound Design http://www.finleysound.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 21 01:25:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29393; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:25:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:25:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <376BF459.66BC2A84@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:09:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Time signatures Resent-Message-ID: <"UfFMz2.0.X02.ApQRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:49 PM -0700 6/19/99, Clifford Novey wrote: >Hi all, > >I just wanted to find out if anyone knows of info sources on the net >that could help me to understand time signatures better- I am trying to >get a grip on how the 8th/beat setting and the current time sig in my >dr-5 interact with one another and I would like to understand it- I know >it is not difficult but any help would be appreciated- I'm not going to teach you time signatures, but here's some echoplex stuff that might help. The "8ths/beat" parameter on the echoplex has a somewhat confusing name. It should be called "8ths/cycle." The basic idea is, "when using midi clock, how many eighth notes will equal the basic loop length?" For example, say you are receiving a midi clock for 120 BPM (eighth note is .25sec), and 8th/beat is set to 16. The basic loop length on the echoplex will be equal to 16 eighth notes, which is 4 seconds at 120BPM. If the echoplex is sending clock out with this same setting, and you record a 2 second loop, you will generate clock at 240BPM. Record an 8 second loop and it will be 60BPM (16 eighth notes in 8 seconds, each eighth is .5 seconds). >I have a gig tonight and will be using my EDP for the first time on an >outing- I will have 3 loops set up and drum patterns to match- >NOTE- I discovered that if you ever need to re-sync your drum mach w/ >the EDP you can mute the loop, stop/start the drum mach and un-mute the >loop at beat 1 and it re-synchs with the drum mach as long as you have >mute set to "start" and not "continuous"- I was very glad to discover >this- yes, that's a way to do it for now. In the next version we have "Realign" functions that will give you lots of capbability to stop and start loops and get them back in sync again. (for either master or slave setups.) You can even intentionally get them out of phase, and then ReAlign them back in phase and back in sync again. Pretty damn cool, I must say! And very useful. You can thank Claude for "encouraging" us on this one, and giving us lots of good ideas for it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 21 01:37:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31765; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:37:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:37:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BEBB0D.C712CE60.mpeters@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:19:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: I want LDCD Vol 1 - I want LDCD Vol 1 - I want LDCD Vol 1 - Resent-Message-ID: <"giWzK3.0.lJ2.-xQRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 2:09 AM -0700 6/20/99, Michael Peters wrote: >> I recently purchased Volume Two which makes for great listening. I'm not >> normally one for compilations, however this is not a 'normal' >> compilation! Great to hear loops with so many accents. > >wait until you hear volume one - imho a way better representation of loop >music than volume two. > >Now where is volume one? Ray Peck did a wonderful job putting wonderful >music together, and now nothing happens - just a couple of CDR copies exist >(the ones that went to the musicians). This thing clearly deserves becoming >more famous!!! keeping it secret would really be a waste. > >Afaik, Matt McCabe who put together Vol2 was supposed to take care of this >but I guess there was so little success with Vol2 that he doesn't feel too >enthusiastic about putting effort into Vol1 ... > >Matt? Ray? Kim? Any news about this? I think all that needs to happen is producing a significant number of copies and getting them to Matt. Can you folks on the volume 1 CD organize yourselves to do that? Maybe if some of you have CD-R burners, you can each make a batch? Otherwise, take up a collection to get it duplicated....Last I heard from Ray, he had several hundred CD case inserts for it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 21 11:40:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17281; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:40:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:40:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376E629E.43B17D66@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:04:53 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I want LDCD Vol 1 - MPEG? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i9s1M3.0.rh2.OGbRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I haven't been following the MPEG technology, but is there a way that if someone sends money to someone they could just download an MPEG version of the CD and then burn their own CD? This may be the future. Frankly, I've never even heard an MPEG'ed file. Are they good? Anyway, this could be a way for small kids like us to get the music out. I've been thinking about doing it anyway with my own music. Even if I do if for free, I'm still making about the same on it as I do now! Actually, with what it costs to play in a club (see: Evil PA fees) it might be more lucrative than the possibility of a negative gross! Sincerely yours, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 21 12:59:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31870; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:59:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:59:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906211652.MAA30509@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: Re: Small Date: Mon, 21 Jun 99 09:51:44 -0700 x-sender: matt@mail1.xoom.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Matt Peterson To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"euCuR.0.-S7.BtcRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com you might find this link interesting: http://www.atcsd.com/ 6/20/99 11:02 AM Tom Ritchford (tom@swirly.com) wrote: >Mark Spookylaro wrote: > >>The Danelectro post that talks about the small Smoky Amps made me think >>about a new type of speaker that I've heard about that uses very small >>electrostatic drivers and varies the phase of several ultrasonic >>(infrasonic?) frequencies to create a beat (interference) frequency in >>the range of human hearing. Supposedly, the thing is the size of a CD >>or so, and can produce very large sound levels with very low wattage >>because of its efficiency. CAN YOU IMAGINE THE IMPLICATIONS? KEEPING >>YOUR SPEAKER CABINETS IN YOUR GUITAR CASE! > >acoustic heterodyning is the name of the technique, I believe... > >and the speakers are incredibly small, postage stamp sized. >you could get deafening sound from a quarter-watt speaker, >so I'm told. > >However there are several downsides. > >The first is that they are extremely directional... you could hear >immense sound, I could hear nothing. The second is that they haven't >made it out of the lab into speakers yet as they are so new. > > /t > > Matt Peterson Project Manager, Media Services XOOM.com, Inc. 300 Montgomery St., 3rd Floor San Francisco CA 94104 415-288-2505 FAX: 415-288-2575 matt@xoom.com NASDAQ: XMCM From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 21 14:46:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19885; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:46:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:46:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990621183555.30237.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: bec@murple.com, hartas@yahoo.com, oranges70@hotmail.com, missk@interlog.com, north@pccinternet.com, sol@nbnet.nb.ca, nicole.kiras@butlergroup.co.uk, funtime_aliens@hotmail.com, Toby.Goldbach@jus.gov.on.ca, sty@stones.com, SuzB@compuserve.com, danielle@maximumdj.com, alaslo@mms.ca, zfactor@interlog.com, cchc@interlog.com, scrow@interlog.com, dgraves@easynet.ca, ikelman@hotmail.com, jbrett@mphconsulting.com, justin.morrison@utoronto.ca, justinsm@citytv.com, sidsix@hotmail.com, khourigan@rolandca.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, mlemyre@interlog.com, laurabartko@yahoo.com, maximum@idirect.com, monsta@interlog.com, rforsley@iname.com Subject: SOUNDSCAPING & SCRABBLE - WEDNESDAY JUNE 23RD Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:35:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Vh0s.0.xR4._OeRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a reminder that this Wednesday night (June 23rd, 1999) Lorne Thomson will be creating soundscapes live at THE GRAPEFRUIT MOON which is located 968 Bathurst St Toronto Ontario Canada. The festivities begin at 8:30 and will continue through out the evening as the spirit leads. Its tomorrow's music, created with yesterday's technology.. BUT TODAY! Hope to see you there. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 21 14:51:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20862; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:51:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:51:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:29:14 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loopdiscs.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"abuGI.0.W44.iIeRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Um, what's the deal regarding the Looper's Delight compilations? I take it two volumes have been created: -Sounds like Volume I exists, but barely. -Volume II exists too, but I know no more. -Volume III was in preparation but nothing resulted. I've been running a CD-R burner at my place for a while now. Maybe I should contribute a loop or two. Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 21 18:17:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26434; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:17:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:17:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376E096D.53F9CD8F@hom.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 05:44:13 -0400 From: Daniel Ferguson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It just goes... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"K7o3j2.0.1m4.89hRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone use a sampler for silence looping? A few EMU E4XT ultras might do this well. best regards, Daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 22 01:18:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02740; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:18:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:18:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990622001415.007f3100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:14:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: Adrian Belew's Loops In-Reply-To: <37614853.60CDB90D@bellsouth.net> References: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C046@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mpi7L1.0.tV.ujnRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy, Just saw Adrian Belew in Nashville, TN. What a show! Here's what he says is in store: An album of looping (BELEWPS) A huge box set of his material called DUST A new GUITAR AS... CD (this one's jungle sounds--animals and rhythms, produced by his guitar...) A new Bears CD He used the Johnson amps to loop with long delays, and he managed to work them into everyting from whacko guitar wipeouts to King Crimson ditties. A fantastic show. I'd encourage everyone on the list who's interested to go see the man play. Plus, he's such a nice guy! He hangs out after the show (this one was nearly 2 hours long . . . his hometown, y'know...), and signs things and talks with everyone. Heck, he even took questions and requests during the set. Just a great show! Adios, Jeff McLeod __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 22 01:22:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03739; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:22:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:22:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906220500.WAA00429@toucan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:31:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopdiscs.... From: "Matt and Kristy McCabe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3qgt1.0._x7.IYnRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >-Volume II exists too, but I know no more. Information on Volume 2 can be found at www.finleysound.com/Looper_CD.html. __________________________________ Matthew F. McCabe Finley Sound Design http://www.finleysound.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 22 03:14:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24745; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 03:14:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 03:14:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BEBC86.ED3FBF10.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: I want LDCD Vol 1 - I want LDCD Vol 1 - I want LDCD Vol 1 - Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:10:54 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N5KBM3.0.T13.tToRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi Matt, > I simply volunteered to sell Volume 1 > through Marathon Records if it became > available in quantity. I see. May I ask how Vol. 2 is going? Is it being sold at all? I wonder if it's worth at all making a quantity of Vol. 1, or if it would be more sensible to sell manually burnt CDRs on demand. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 22 05:06:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05574; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:06:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:06:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376F485D.7987C891@iamerica.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 03:25:01 -0500 From: Micah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew's Loops References: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C046@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> <3.0.6.32.19990622001415.007f3100@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IUTHE.0.JR.OeqRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is Adrian Belew really from Nashville???????? Huh???? Micah From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 22 05:34:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09268; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:34:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:34:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990622112452.006fc9f8@email.aon.at> X-Sender: aon.912027787@email.aon.at X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:25:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: haeusle Subject: echoplex, reply from Michael Ayers!!!!!!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2Bcq31.0.mX1.mCrRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com if you get this message twice, please apolygize shiny happy loopers, that's what i got from oberheim/ opcode/ gibson (whoever...) about the same reply as our list member Michael Tuminello got. what about you? did someone else hear anything? come one, let's keep the pressure on'em! we don't take no as an answer ;-) lorenz with a motu 2408 in a few days!!! *happy* At 09:46 21.06.99 -0500, you wrote: >Good morning; > >Production of the Echoplex has been temporarily suspended, due to a >restructuring of Oberheim. We expect to be back in production in about three >months. > >Please stay tuned to our web site at; > >http://www.gibson.com > >for further information as it develops. > >Thanks for writing. > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob McLemore >Sent: Friday,June 18,1999 1:00 PM >To: Michael Ayers >Subject: FW: echoplex > > > haeusle@aon.at > >-----Original Message----- >From: haeusle >To: relations@gibson.com >Sent: 6/18/99 12:51 PM >Subject: echoplex > >hi there! > >there are a lot of rumours going around the edp. could you please >clarify >the situation? is it still produced? when is it introduced to europe? > >greetings from austria, >lorenz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 22 08:17:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30596; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:17:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:17:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:50:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Solaris/Dark Aether Project in DC area Friday Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id HAA26349 Resent-Message-ID: <"t4LHv2.0.1S6.nYtRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Folks, just a quick reminder about our show with Solaris in the Washington DC area this Friday. In addition to the information about the show (at the bottom), I'm including a full Solaris bio: SOLARIS was formed in Hungary in 1980 by university friends Istvan Cziglan (guitar), Attila Kollar (flute), Attila Seres (bass), Vilmos Toth (drums) and Robert Erdesz (synthesizers). Their name arises from a novel by science fiction author Stanislaw Lem. The original members were united by their love of science fiction and progressive/electronic music artists such as Vangelis, Mike Oldfield, Tangerine Dream, and Jethro Tull. They initially released a couple of singles (songs later to appear on the 1990 album). Ray Bradbury's famous novel served as the inspiration for their first full length recording Martian Chronicles, released on the state-owned Hungaroton label in 1985, with Laszlo Gomor on drums and Tamas Pocs on bass. Now re-released on CD, this album is considered a defining moment in 80s progressive rock with its haunting, intricate, and classically influenced flute/synth/guitar compositions. Even though Martian Chronicles sold close to 40,000 units, the state-owned record company was more interested in disco-pop, and refused to release a second Solaris effort. After some members took part in the highly successful Hungarian pop outfit Napoleon Boulevard, Solaris was given the green light to release the double LP 1990, featuring superb symphonic compositions from throughout the band's history. Some tracks featured the talents of Gabor Kisszabo on bass and Csaba Bogdan on guitar in addition to the previous lineup. Much to the band's surprise, they were invited by organizer Greg Walker to perform at Progfest 1995 in Los Angeles. Solaris floored the audience with an incredibly tight performance, which was immortalized on the 2-CD set Live in Los Angeles, with members of all band incarnations present. The concert rejuvenated the band, which garnered other festival invitations, and was signed by Periferic Records. The past year has been a busy one for Solaris, with the release of Attila Kollar's solo CD Musical Witchcraft (featuring all Solaris members), and the adventurous new CD Nostradamus, Book of Prophecies. This soon-to-be prog rock classic is based loosely on the cryptic quatrains of the famous French philosopher and prophet(?), and weaves ethnic music flavorings, Latin operatic vocals, and an edgier guitar presence into the classic Solaris sound. Unfortunately Live in Los Angeles is the last Solaris recording to feature Istvan Cziglan. Illness forced him to be unable to perform at concerts or to take part in the Nostradamus project. In late December 1998, he passed away suddenly. Though deeply saddened, the rest of Solaris wants to keep the musical legacy of their dear friend "Czigi" alive and create new music. We are absolutely delighted to have this world class Hungarian ensemble at the Phantasmagoria Club in Washington.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- CONCERT INFORMATION: The legendary Hungarian progressive rock group Solaris will be making their first US East Coast performance along with The Dark Aether Project at 8pm on Friday June 25th 1999 at Phantasmagoria (301-949-8886) located at 11319 Elkin Street in Wheaton MD. Admission is $15 at the door for this all ages show. Solaris' unique musical identity is based on a dynamic blend of virtuoso flute, guitar and keyboards balanced by a driving rhythm section woven into dynamic compositions that blur the lines between classical, jazz and rock music. Solaris will be performing in support of their new release _Nostradamus_ - their first studio album of new material in nearly a decade. Solaris is: Csaba Bogdán - Guitar Robert Erdész - Keyboards László Gömör - Drums Gábor Kisszabó - Bass Tamás Pócs - Bass Attila Kollár - Flute/Vocals The Dark Aether Project's music has been described as "jazz-inflected, often minimalistic...classy... mature musicianship without pretentiousness" by Progression magazine and "..intense and blistering lead work...amazing loops and shimmering textures that are at once haunting and dreamlike...worthy of attention." by Expose. The Dark Aether Project will perform in support of their latest album _Feed The Silence_. See http://www.DarkAether.Net/ for more information. The Dark Aether Project is: Adam Levin - Warr 8 String Touch Guitar/Keyboards/Loops Yaman Aksu - Guitar/Hammond Organ Ray Weston - Vocals Allen Brunelle - Drums/Percussion/Keyboards Directions to Phantasmagoria: Take DC Beltway (495) toward Silver Spring. Exit at Rt 97 (Georgia Ave) North towards Wheaton Go 2-3 miles on Georgia, keeping to the right Turn right on University Blvd (after Safeway) Take first right onto Elkin. Phantasmagoria is on the left From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 22 08:30:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32633; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:30:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:30:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990622081459.0080a180@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:14:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: Adrian Belew's Loops In-Reply-To: <376F485D.7987C891@iamerica.net> References: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C046@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> <3.0.6.32.19990622001415.007f3100@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Z9Y0e.0.HJ7.yttRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:25 AM 6/22/99 -0500, you wrote: >Is Adrian Belew really from Nashville???????? Huh???? Lately so. Previously he lived in my old haunts in east-central Ill Annoy and then took an Artist-In-Residence position in Lake Geneva at the old Playboy Mansion cum recording studio. Pun not intending. Hasta -> Rico From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 22 12:18:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06923; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:18:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:18:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906221542.IAA25970@scv4.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:42:27 -0500 Subject: JamMan FS, Austin area, $350 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"I27vQ.0.87.rxwRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I found this in the Austin paper, so if you're in the area... MERCHANDISE - Musical Instruments ALESIS ADAT-black face, $850. Alan & Heath 16-channel mixing board, $650. Lexicon Jam-man, $350. All in excellent condition. Call 452-5668. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 22 16:12:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20664; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:12:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:12:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <376FE1E7.6383902C@iamerica.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:20:08 -0500 From: Micah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Belew's Loops and other stuff References: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C046@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> <3.0.6.32.19990622001415.007f3100@pop.mindspring.com> <3.0.5.32.19990622081459.0080a180@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"T0oEn2.0.9k2.CE-Rt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Huh, I was just in Nashville last week at a Cubase clinic. I would have liked to have seen him play. Oh well, I'll catch him. Speaking of Cubase, is anyone using this software as a means of looping??? (among other things) Also, is anybody using the MOTU 1224 24-bit machine with their computers??? Micah From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 22 16:27:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23184; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:27:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:27:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAttXsS8Zn/LCb8LlbUHL+rRJ0KPwCFCrThG2SNqhlvzjtKTGZZCl9kBEu From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:54:45 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan FS, Austin area, $350 Message-ID: <22411-376FEA05-12701@postoffice-111.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Travis Hartnett" 's message of Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:42:27 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"nmf5X2.0.z34.Ie-Rt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks ! I called at 1pm pacific and it was just sold ! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 22 16:57:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29592; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:57:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:57:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990622202311.006e24c4@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:23:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: Belew's Loops and other stuff Resent-Message-ID: <"5var32.0.Pd5.Y5_Rt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi I'm using Cubase VST ('cos I write for the italian Cubase Magazine... ;) ) on a PC system, with the MOTU2408 installed. it's real heaven.... :) ciao leo At 14.20 22/06/99 -0500, you wrote: >Huh, I was just in Nashville last week at a Cubase clinic. I would have >liked to have seen him play. Oh well, I'll catch him. Speaking of Cubase, >is anyone using this software as a means of looping??? (among other things) >Also, is anybody using the MOTU 1224 24-bit machine with their computers??? > >Micah > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 22 19:49:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28304; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:49:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:49:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:42:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: AW: I want LDCD Vol 1 - I want LDCD Vol 1 - I want LDCD Vol 1 - In-Reply-To: <01BEBC86.ED3FBF10.mpeters@csi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"PpsKf2.0.Ob6.ez1St"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > May I ask how Vol. 2 is going? Is it being sold at all? > I wonder if it's worth at all making a quantity of Vol. 1, or if it would be more sensible to sell manually burnt CDRs on demand. > For this kind of project, doing CDRs might make a lot more sense, or just putting together a website and posting mp3s... Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 23 06:10:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30161; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 06:10:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 06:10:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906230400.VAA15869@grebe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:02:41 -0700 Subject: Re: AW: I want LDCD Vol 1 - I want LDCD Vol 1 - I want LDCD Vol 1 - From: "Matt and Kristy McCabe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CjJPs1.0.hl6.fcASt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael and interested folks... >May I ask how Vol. 2 is going? Is it being sold at all? >I wonder if it's worth at all making a quantity of Vol. 1, or if it would >be more sensible to sell manually burnt CDRs on demand. Volume 2 has been selling steadily...about 1 to 2 discs per week. I estimate we have about 125 to 150 copies left. Matt __________________________________ Matthew F. McCabe Finley Sound Design http://www.finleysound.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 23 08:32:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09829; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:32:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:32:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 06:44:36 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Compilation Distribution Ideas Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"BeDCa3.0.lG1.SZCSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think the idea of a website with MP3s and downloadable cover art is the best and most realistic idea, then each individual can burn their own copy. With the right encoding level (160kbps) you get very close to CD quality (better than the 128 kbps where I can hear aliasing happening). Cover art could be created by committee or by an individual (heck, several different versions of cover art could be created). Then they could be encoded with Adobe Acrobat as a downloadable .pdf that could be printed on a suitable color printer. The only problem arises when you have an individual who has no CD burning equipment. Then we could talk about volunteering making sets depending on the geographical area of the individuals who want it. Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 23 11:33:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31246; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:33:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:33:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E09471D1144@letterbox.kscl.com> From: Anthony Mullen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Neil Wiernik Subject: RE: Auto Loop Finding - apols - a clearer definition of need Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:07:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"E7-H33.0.Ux4.JhESt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Neil - eat me - it's definitely possible to have such a tool - think about it a little harder. The issue isn't of laziness - more the fact that I'm painting a big ceiling and I need a few robots to fill some colours in. Thanks for your help anyway. Anthony > ---------- > From: Neil Wiernik[SMTP:naw@techno.ca] > Sent: 18 June 1999 13:29 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Auto Loop Finding - apols - a clearer definition of need > > No such tool for batch looping, besides each and every loop has it own > parametter to it. > You would need towrite a script and even that would not work properly. > Why would you want to be so lazy about it all anyhow? Arent you > interested in > being an active part of your art making process? > > Neil... > > Anthony Mullen wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I should have been a little clearer....I was thinking of an automated > batch > > tool to run through loads of 'nearly looped WAVs' and create loopable > > versions with the extra kick/cymbal/whatever trimmed from the end of the > > sound. > > > > I use recycle but doing it for ooomphty thousand loops will only scare > my > > wrists......I'm sure someone mentioned a shareware PC util at some stage > for > > doing this.... > > > > Thanks > > Anthony > > -- > > __________________________________________________________________ > Neil Wiernik > naw@techno.ca > http://www.techno.ca/studio/naw > __________________________________________________________________ > Projects: > http://www.kiasma.fng.fi/soundbox/ > http://www.twelveinch.com/djs.html > http://www.techno.ca/ntac > http://cec.concordia.ca/Radio/Sonic%20Circuit/SonicCircuits2.html > http://www.interaccess.org/aurora/wiernik.html > http://www.er.uqam.ca/nobel/k31320/wier01.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 23 12:02:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04186; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:02:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:02:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199906230755.DAA19077@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:35:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: re: echoplex, reply from Michael Ayers!!!!!!!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"TyUFe.0.Xy5.PAFSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is it just me, or has it been 3 months for a while now...? I didn't post it to the list, but I followed up that with a request for a lost of Oberheim dealers in North America, because I went into Rogue Music here in New York and the guy there told me I might check midwestern dealers or odd places to see if they might somehow still have stock. The Gibson guy said in response something like "as far as I know, there are no echoplexes anywhere. Sometimes there are used ones on ebay." That's paraphrasing, but I do distinctly remember the word anywhere, which at least he didn't capitalize... Looks like it could be a long wait. Like I said, I'm fairly sure I could find postings in the archive from a month ago that said 3 months. MT From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 23 12:05:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04608; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:05:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:05:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3770F582.5E615913@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:56:02 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: AudioMulch loopers? References: <199906230737.DAA17720@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Nq5Tj1.0.ZN6.sLFSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I seem to recall another Audio Mulch looper out there somewhere. I just found a 12 and.... wait for it........60 second stereo delay VST plug in. It works a treat Just though you'd like to know. Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 23 12:55:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13918; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:55:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:55:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: John Neilson Message-Id: <199906231551.LAA25534@echonyc.com> Subject: New Music Auction site (and a pricey EDP!) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:51:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2Dk1Z1.0.OY.rAGSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I visited Harmony Central this morning and noticed that they have recently gotten into the Ebay-style web auction thing: http://harmonycentral.digibid.com/ This one caught my eye. It's an EDP that apparently went for a cool $1180... http://harmonycentral.digibid.com/auctions/items/2878.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 23 13:21:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19210; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:21:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:21:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990623164133.26949.rocketmail@web129.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:41:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: AudioMulch loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"bf0oj1.0.fj2.GuGSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Where? Randy > I just found a 12 and.... wait for it........60 > second stereo delay VST > plug in. It works a treat > Just though you'd like to know. > > Gareth > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 23 14:51:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03780; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:51:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:51:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377120C5.11D9@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:00:37 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: LD CD # 1 Reissue - PLEASE READ References: <199906230400.VAA15869@grebe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5b4T41.0.3g6.i4ISt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have been talking to Ray Peck (originator of VOL. I Looper's Delight CD) and I believe we are going to reissue it now in all it's glory including the great cover art and insert which Ray very genrously paid a lot of $$ for initially. There are still a few details to go through but it looks like I'll be buying a batch of the printed covers from Ray pressing DAO Cdrs on high qaulity Cds and taking orders via my indie label Help Wanted Productions. I'll press up a bunch of CDrs and have them ready in a week or so. Price TBA but it will be at or as close to cost as I can get. If you are interested in buying a copy please send me an email so I know what the demand might be for the intial run. After that I'll carry the CD in the catalog for as long as orders are coming in. More info to follow as soon as things are official. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." 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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 23 16:46:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27662; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:46:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:46:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906232022.QAA22612@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: Re: LD CD # 1 Reissue - PLEASE READ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 99 13:22:18 -0700 x-sender: matt@mail1.xoom.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Matt Peterson To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"KcOZX2.0.mX5.V8KSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes, I would like to purchase one copy of LD CD #1 Matt Peterson 6/23/99 11:00 AM Legion (legion@voicenet.com) wrote: >I have been talking to Ray Peck (originator of VOL. I Looper's Delight >CD) and I believe we are going to reissue it now in all it's glory >including the great cover art and insert which Ray very genrously paid a >lot of $$ for initially. > >There are still a few details to go through but it looks like I'll be >buying a batch of the printed covers from Ray pressing DAO Cdrs on high >qaulity Cds and taking orders via my indie label Help Wanted >Productions. I'll press up a bunch of CDrs and have them ready in a week >or so. Price TBA but it will be at or as close to cost as I can get. > >If you are interested in buying a copy please send me an email so I know >what the demand might be for the intial run. After that I'll carry the >CD in the catalog for as long as orders are coming in. > >More info to follow as soon as things are official. Matt Peterson Project Manager, Media Services XOOM.com, Inc. 300 Montgomery St., 3rd Floor San Francisco CA 94104 415-288-2505 FAX: 415-288-2575 matt@xoom.com NASDAQ: XMCM From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 23 18:09:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12787; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:09:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:09:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB55E4@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: helping hands??? Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:52:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"phu-03.0.UB7.6cKSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i have a friend whose eh 16-second delay just developed a nice hum (there was a really nice high-pitched squeal that lasted about 10-20 seconds during a set break, capacitor death?). anyone have any ideas about people who are competent to fix these thangs? thanks, stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 23 19:08:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23997; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:08:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:08:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: BRENDAN.DEVITT@cicot.itochu.com X-Internal-ID: 3770EA2F00000643 X-DSN-ENVID: X400-Received: by mta ITCNYK51 in /PRMD=ITOCHU/ADMD=MCI/C=US; relayed; 23 Jun 1999 18:22:48 -0400 X400-Received: by mta ITCNYK01 in /PRMD=ITOCHU/ADMD=MCI/C=US; relayed; 23 Jun 1999 18:25:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=ITOCHU/ADMD=MCI/C=US;DLCOT186-990623201717-6EEA] Message-Id: Date: 23 Jun 1999 15:17:17 -0500 Importance: normal Autoforwarded: false X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Resent-Message-ID: <"UqUe72.0.Cn3.avLSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i have a friend whose eh 16-second delay just developed a nice hum (there was a really nice high-pitched squeal that lasted about 10-20 seconds during a set break, capacitor death?). anyone have any ideas about people who are competent to fix these thangs? thanks, stig ---------- probably a couple of things fried. Hum probably is a bad resistor?? Open it up and push some parts around. If you've got a soldering iron ($12) and a radio shack nearby, you should be able to figure it out. Just replace fried or old parts with parts of equal values (and equal tolerance and make sure you get the polarity right). bd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 23 20:14:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03893; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:14:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:14:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:54:48 EDT Subject: Re: LD CD # 1 Reissue - PLEASE READ To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 15 Resent-Message-ID: <"crVQs2.0.Q9.uFNSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com im interested rodrigo In a message dated 6/23/99 2:51:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, legion@voicenet.com writes: << If you are interested in buying a copy please send me an email so I know what the demand might be for the intial run. After that I'll carry the CD in the catalog for as long as orders are coming in. More info to follow as soon as things are official. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 23 20:55:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10630; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:55:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:55:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:22:38 EDT Subject: Re: LD CD # 1 Reissue - PLEASE READ To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"-66vy3.0.AN1.ShNSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i would be interested in the LD CD 1.........please keep us posted........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 23 22:41:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28251; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:41:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:41:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:22:04 EDT Subject: Re: helping hands EH 16 Se To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"3CIPT3.0.M16.7QPSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/23/99 2:09:46 PM, LiebigSA@Maritz.com writes: >i have a friend whose eh 16-second delay just developed a nice hum (there >was a really nice high-pitched squeal that lasted about 10-20 seconds during >a set break, capacitor death?). > >anyone have any ideas about people who are competent to fix these thangs? I used to own a couple of these things some years ago. One of them needed repair once so I called the folks at Sovtek. They gave me the name of a Vietnamese gent in NYC (a Mr. Dang I believe) that used to assemble them when they were originally made. He now runs a tidy little business repairing EH stuff he used to make. He's good, very resonable and quick. Sovetek get requests for repair on old EH stuff all the time. It never hurts to ask. They can steer you in the right direction. I'd give you the name and address of the guy myself if I still had it. It's been 4 years or more now I'd say. I sold the units to a fellow on the list by the name of Trevor but I haven heard from him in a while. Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 00:01:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09219; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:01:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:01:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3771AAF2.1720004@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:50:10 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Kim's Help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fLN831.0.to1.vhQSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, a late but better-than-never thanks to Kim for the help on time signatures- the term "8ths per beat" is confusing- Also looking forward to the new features you mentioned- sounds interesting- Thanks again- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 01:15:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25632; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:15:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:15:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <8928aa01.24a317d3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:10:43 EDT Subject: Re: LD CD # 1 Reissue - PLEASE READ To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"0XOQa.0.d66.6uRSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey there, be interested in this disk and the second one, too? How much? Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 01:49:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31070; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:49:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:49:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000501bebec3$98ee3240$03b115d0@kara1> From: DainL@AustinTX.net (Dain R. Luscombe) To: Subject: noisy noisy jamman Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:31:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"vOhBH1.0.2z6.KDSSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been upgrading the h*ll out of my trusty jamman lately, full memory/bob sellon's AWESOME software, but no for some reason I'm getting an awful lot of noise all of the sudden. did I knock something off the circuit in my chip changing frenzy? thanks please hurry and make it be good news... dain From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 05:03:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25876; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 05:03:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 05:03:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3771E404.B495432A@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:53:41 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: noisy noisy jamman References: <000501bebec3$98ee3240$03b115d0@kara1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_-O_q3.0.1X3.AGUSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dain, Could you please tell me how you obtained Bob Sellon's update?? I just upgraded my JamMan to 32 seconds and would love to upgrade to Bob's chip! Cliff "Dain R. Luscombe" wrote: > I've been upgrading the h*ll out of my trusty jamman lately, full memory/bob > sellon's AWESOME software, but no for some reason I'm getting an awful lot > of noise all of the sudden. did I knock something off the circuit in my chip > changing frenzy? > > thanks > please hurry and make it be good news... > dain From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 07:38:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11609; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:38:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:38:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199906231551.LAA25534@echonyc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:31:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: New Music Auction site (and a pricey EDP!) Resent-Message-ID: <"VFTQ-2.0.Ic2.cPXSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I get the feeling that this whole auction thing is good for the sellers--the Echoplex is wonderful, but twelve hundred bucks? Has anyone here done well as a buyer? Is it worth going through all those various auctions every day to find a Deltalab Echotron or something? Or will it necessarily cost $800? David Myers >I visited Harmony Central this morning and noticed that they >have recently gotten into the Ebay-style web auction thing: >http://harmonycentral.digibid.com/ > >This one caught my eye. It's an EDP that apparently went for >a cool $1180... > >http://harmonycentral.digibid.com/auctions/items/2878.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 07:54:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13288; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:54:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:54:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:34:20 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: LD Vol 3... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"OALQj.0.xm2.oWXSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Who is collating tracks for Looper's Delight Volume 3? How much does it cost to get on the CD? Is there a time limit for a track to be submitted? Is there a limit on number of tracks to be submitted? Anyone know the guidelines and when this thing will be set in stone? I heard someone say that it was supposed to be finalized in April but then nothing happened. Truth? Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 11:32:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18193; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:32:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:32:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37722DBD.3F3832EA@node.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:08:13 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: New Music Auction site (and a pricey EDP! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2oUSl2.0.k16.1rYSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nothing new about digibid.com, except their "strategic alliance" with Harmony Central and the concomitant domain personalizing. It's been best for high-end audio-video equipment to date but it could be that moving Waldorfs is where the commissions gravy is mot likely to be found... BTW, that self-same EDP was at a high bid of $480 last Friday before closing @ $1180 this Monday -- an eventful weekend. A fruit ripens slowly and drops quickly. What'd you call me? ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- > I visited Harmony Central this morning and noticed that they > have recently gotten into the Ebay-style web auction thing: > http://harmonycentral.digibid.com/ > > This one caught my eye. It's an EDP that apparently went for > a cool $1180... > > http://harmonycentral.digibid.com/auctions/items/2878.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 11:51:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21891; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:51:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:51:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002601bebe45$36b97fe0$8db8d6d1@bflick> From: "Brendan Flick" To: Subject: Re: noisy noisy jamman Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:26:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ns2d82.0.k-6.UBZSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -No help on the noise problem, but could you PLEASE tell how you got a hold of Bob Sellons chip? I haven't been able to get any leads on it - Thanks - Brendan -----Original Message----- From: Dain R. Luscombe To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, June 24, 1999 2:09 AM Subject: noisy noisy jamman >I've been upgrading the h*ll out of my trusty jamman lately, full memory/bob >sellon's AWESOME software, but no for some reason I'm getting an awful lot >of noise all of the sudden. did I knock something off the circuit in my chip >changing frenzy? > >thanks >please hurry and make it be good news... >dain > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 11:58:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23043; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:58:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:58:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990624135255.37957.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [134.174.151.250] From: Sean Witters To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jam Man Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:52:55 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"XinAS3.0.tm7.YXZSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dain, How did you get the Sellon upgrade and how much was it? I've e-mail Bob twice with no reply, maybe I have the wrong address? Thanks, Sean _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 12:00:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23739; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:00:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:00:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <00f701bebe4a$b3fd93b0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: LD CD # 1 Reissue - PLEASE READ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:06:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"6YN_Y2.0.ek.PrZSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >If you are interested in buying a copy please send me an email so I know >what the demand might be for the intial run. After that I'll carry the >CD in the catalog for as long as orders are coming in. Put me down for one copy. Thanks! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 12:02:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24036; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:02:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:02:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37724E3B.E30DB084@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:26:51 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 4, 12 + 60 sec delays References: <199906240759.DAA15413@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KSUP5.0.kO4.syaSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: AudioMulch loopers? > Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:41:33 -0700 (PDT) > From: Randy Jones Hey Randy, Go to http://acidfreak.future.easyspace.com/index.html all this is free too. Enjoy Do you know about the 10second loopers with reverse/ bidirectional pitch changing features too email me if you want more info. Cheers Gareth > Where? > Randy > > I just found a 12 and.... wait for it........60 > > second stereo delay VST > > plug in. It works a treat > > Just though you'd like to know. > > > > Gareth > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 12:01:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23847; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:01:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:01:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906241452.HAA32646@scv1.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:52:48 -0500 Subject: tc 2290 FS $1300 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vVwXE3.0.LZ2.4QaSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Someone was asking about these recently. From Harmony Central: t.c. electronics 2290 delay Asking Price: US$1300 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: t.c. 2290 delay perfect condition. the best digital delay you can get. I used it for guitar but it has many applications. comes with manual. let me know if you have any questions. thanks! Seller: charlie hitchcock, 805 564 8902 E-mail: charliehitchcock@hotmail.com (Profile) Location: SANTA BARBARA, CA Post Date: 6/23/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 14:09:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18215; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:09:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:09:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37726C44.62E6@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:35:00 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: LDCD # 1 Reissue - PART TWO References: <199906230400.VAA15869@grebe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <377120C5.11D9@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Apxrk3.0.As2.SncSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WOW! Thanks for all the response so far. I think we have about 30 or so potential orders in a little over a day and they keep coming. As a result of this I'm thinking of actually outsourcing the duplication. I can CDR a dozen or so but I'd like to press up more than the initial order so we have some down the road there and there and in these numbers it's a lot easier to get a bigger comapny to do it. As a result I really need ot get a good count on how many I need to buy please if you haven't already, send me an email with how many copies you may want. If you already sent me an email Thanks! and don't send me another (I'm trying not to double count) At this rate it looks like we're looking at a price of $10 per CD with cover including shipping in the US and $11 in canada and elsewhere. I'll continue to take potential orders unitl monday and then I'll palce an order for everyone who said they wanted one and a couple dozen more and we'll get cracking on getting them made. Once I have the completed CDs in hand with the covers and all then I'll post ordering info. Again, THANKS for the encouragement. Ray has been sitting on $300 worth of covers for years and I'm ready to drop at least that on pressing, mailers, etc. so it's nice to see the CD will get out there and not collect dust and hopefully we'll finally bail the costs of this great project out. D_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 14:14:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19090; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:14:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:14:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990624173627.41002.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:36:25 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"oof88.0.dx2.9pcSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I would like to thank those of you who came down to the GRAPEFRUIT MOON last night in support of my soundscaping efforts. The night was a definate success, and no one threw scrabble pieces at me. The reaction from those who I did not know was extremely positive and it was also great to see friends both old and new. In regards to an on going debate within the "loopers" community regarding the effects of soundscaping on time (both perceived and actual), the staff of the GFM noted to me later that they felt they "were in two places at once" and "felt disconnected from the physical". Maybe it was the heat. At one point during the last soundscape of the evening ALL of my equipment shut off with a big thud..then three seconds later came back on and just continued going (which is impossible, I should have lost the loop) as if nothing had happened. What was also interesting about that was how some people perceived the shutdown as being a split second, myself feeling it was about 3 seconds, and others seeing it as a minute shut down. A ghost in the machine? God stopping by for a visit? A rip in the space/time continuum? Perhaps some questions are best left unanswered. Lorne Thomson Toronto, Canada ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 14:29:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22638; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:29:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:29:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01bebf2b$41853360$0db115d0@kara1> From: DainL@AustinTX.net (Dain R. Luscombe) To: Subject: Re: noisy noisy jamman Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:53:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZXwwT3.0.-o3.25dSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com for everyone who mailed me about the bob sellon software, I got his email off of his webpage which you can reach from the looper's delight page. He did note that he was stopping the production soon, but I had no trouble getting my copy of the software. thanks dain From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 15:10:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30531; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:10:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:10:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <76e5e1d1.24a3d83b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:51:39 EDT Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"MyyPk3.0.zh6.MwdSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/24/99 1:14:05 PM Central Daylight Time, heatshrink@hotmail.com writes: << and "felt disconnected from the physical". Maybe it was the heat. At one point during the last soundscape of the evening ALL of my equipment shut off with a big thud..then three seconds later came back on and just continued going (which is impossible, I should have lost the loop) as if nothing had happened. What was also interesting about that was how some people perceived the shutdown as being a split second, myself feeling it was about 3 seconds, and others seeing it as a minute shut down. A ghost in the machine? God stopping by for a visit? A rip in the space/time continuum? >> I think you answered it yourself above. I don't believe it really happened in this world. Maybe in the one you created though. k learning to speak to my EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 17:21:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24157; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:21:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:21:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990624193934.6704.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.7.192] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:39:34 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"pxaKT3.0.L_.ZceSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: KB305@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:51:39 EDT > >I think you answered it yourself above. I don't believe it really happened >in this world. Maybe in the one you created though. > >k >learning to speak to my EDP > Please explain what you mean by this. Are you suggesting I actually crossed some invisible line between universes?? I have no problem with the IDEA of that. In fact I like the idea. But I have a hard time such a thing could occur due to me. Maybe its a cosmic confidence issue. and if I create a world why can't I have one with a beachfront property?? Or do I need an echoplex for that sort of thing. Have any other loopers had this kind of weird ghost in the machine occurance during performance. (although I don't want to revive that time/drug thread again) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 20:57:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30612; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:57:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:57:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:45:11 EDT Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"fRLOk2.0.Z07.b5jSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/24/99 4:21:04 PM Central Daylight Time, heatshrink@hotmail.com writes: << Please explain what you mean by this. Are you suggesting I actually crossed some invisible line between universes?? I have no problem with the IDEA of that. In fact I like the idea. But I have a hard time such a thing could occur due to me. Maybe its a cosmic confidence issue.>> I suggest that the phenomenon of your gear appearing to go down with a 'thud', as you put it, was actually a door being opened into a world outside of this one, beyond this one, running at perpendicular lines to this one. A time outside of our time. All electronics would doubtless undergo some sort of change at that interstice; your own nervous system changed very slowly, it being more malleable, but the hard-wired gear in your rig resisted until it could no more, and when it went, it may have made that 'thud'. Then again, you may have heard a thud that came from within, or somewhere else. << and if I create a world why can't I have one with a beachfront property?? Or do I need an echoplex for that sort of thing.>> How do you know you don't already have beachfront property in that world? Having an echoplex (to the extent that we can 'have' anything, as loopers, much in the same way that I 'have' a cat) certainly facilitates that, and speeds that process, but it is not strictly essential. << Have any other loopers had this kind of weird ghost in the machine occurrence during performance. (although I don't want to revive that time/drug thread again) >> (a) Yes, I'm sure they have. (b) That Time/Drug Thread -- what a great title! I'm using it! Kevin from my house to yours From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 21:12:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00652; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:12:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:12:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <35141d77.24a4298a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:38:34 EDT Subject: Re: LDCD # 1 Reissue - PART TWO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"V-QTZ.0.Wj6.7_iSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Count me in for CD#1 (&2, &3)! Thanks, Bill Reiter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 21:44:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05536; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:44:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:44:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <76e80001.24a4344b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:24:27 EDT Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"91qW73.0.qb.CgjSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com lorne.........wish i would have been there.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 21:55:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07533; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:55:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:55:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990624214355.007a0210@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:43:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: LDCD # 1 Reissue - PART TWO In-Reply-To: <35141d77.24a4298a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"I_15w2.0.Q11.YqjSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd like a copy of #1 as well. Tim Nelson From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 22:45:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15586; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:45:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:45:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906250227.WAA23377@smtp0.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:34:35 -0400 Subject: hi From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"peyHq.0.L33.TakSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i sthere anyone here who uses a mac with motu 2408 for creating loops and such.. i have this setup but i am still learning it.. can someone give me some tips please? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 23:02:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18100; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:02:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:02:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001701bebeb7$30161a00$7796adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: about the $4.95 Cd's Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:02:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"hN2h51.0.Mj3.MpkSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com jeff and concern-ed loopers remember the inceredible 1/3 price CD's got my entire 10 cd order for $53 and change . . . some pretty esoteric stuff, too ranging from Inlakesh (didgeridu trance group) to Dino Saluzzi on ECM and Squarepusher's rotted note . . . (yeah, Kim--only one guy--I know) all seem to be the original manufacturor's discs (and I have one or two of them from the library for comparison) so, happy endings for all and the threat to the recording industry is not the MPEG after all, right . . . BUT WAIT . . . i go back to the site with a list of about 25 things or so I want to get . . . my bookmark comes up as a screen displaying "no SKU available" or something to that effect i click on the music box and about a dozen Cds appear--Backstreet Boys, Jamiroquai and that ilk . . . at $8.95 apiece (and WAY overpriced at that) and that is it--apparently their entire music selection--I punched Miles Davis in to the search box that formerly gave me a page of $4.95 selections and "no match found" the golden goose is dead--undoubtedly killed by Tower, CDNow and everyone else who want to make an honest 200% markup on those little silver frisbees probably just as well--I'd never make my own noise with all these $5 Cds flowing in ;) drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Collins To: Tom Lambrecht Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 10:01 PM Subject: Re: about the $4.95 Cd's >Tom, > >Did you get the CD's yet? I'm sure the people on LD would like to know how >your dealings with them went. > >Jeffrey Collins > >A Strange View of Music > >Showcasing the music of >Jeffrey Collins and Ken Rubenstein > >www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html > >"I TRUST IMPULSE, CREATIVE INTUITION, AND UNMOTIVATED >SPONTANEITY, BUT ABOVE ALL RESPONSIVE ACTION WITH >AS MANY FILTERS THAT ONE CAN AVOID." Robert Rauschenberg > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Lambrecht >To: Collins ; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 2:08 PM >Subject: Re: about the $4.95 Cd's > > >>Jeff: >> >>I checked this site and ran a couple of my usual "stump the record club" >>choices thru and these guys had 'em including a locally produced-extrremely >>small production disc-- >> >>thought to myself, "there's no way K-Tel could have tooled up a run of >>this--sooooooo I ordered a couple of things to check it out >> >>In th event that these are produced by K-Tel, by copyright law, don't the >>artists have to be paid royalties on these discs anyway . . .? >> >>(I thought the Internet was the only place where that was'nt the case) >> >>anyway, keep you posted as I am an advocate of artists getting their >>royalties as much as anyone else on this list >> >>Tom Lambrecht >>hideo@concentric.net >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Collins >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 12:17 PM >>Subject: about the $4.95 Cd's >> >> >>>I think that anyone who orders from this place at myshopnow will not only >>>end up getting a CD that is NOT like the original but will take some well >>>deserved $$ out of the artist hands. Now do you really want to cheat an >>>artist who's work you admire? >>> >>>Jeffrey Collins >>> >>>A Strange View of Music >>> >>>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 24 23:34:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22774; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:34:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:34:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990625025806.15975.qmail@wwcst088.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 24 Jun 99 19:58:06 PDT From: Dael Franke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Count me in, my spicy new friends. X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id WAA17643 Resent-Message-ID: <"cRkR73.0.wJ4.C1lSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes please, I'll order a copy of one and also two. Ten bucks each sounds fine to me, and also dandy. I do like the idea of several different downloadable covers available, although I'll probably make my own. Hmmm. perhaps I should send y'all a design or two. I was given a cd by the band Woo, called It's Cosy Inside. It is very very fine work. Can anyone tell me anything about this amazing artifact and its mysterious creators? I speak of the cd, not the planet. Wonder. Chaetophile chaetophile@hotmail.com ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 00:19:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31555; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:19:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:19:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:54:28 EDT Subject: Re: Count me in, my spicy new friends. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"nexk22.0.NT6.bslSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/24/99 10:34:46 PM Central Daylight Time, DAELFRANKE@netscape.net writes: << I was given a cd by the band Woo, called It's Cosy Inside. It is very very fine work. Can anyone tell me anything about this amazing artifact and its mysterious creators? >> About 20 years ago I had an LP by a band called Woo. Can't remember the title. It was nice too. k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 02:15:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20622; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:15:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:15:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: AudioMulch loopers? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:55:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bebecf$64d8f380$341ed1d1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3770F582.5E615913@dial.pipex.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"aDyoo1.0.4C4.-cnSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dude, pass the URL; I'm ultrainterested in experimenting with a long loop in my computer. I too use AudioMulch -- sometimes. | -----Original Message----- | From: Gareth Whittock [mailto:whiteoak@dial.pipex.com] | Sent: Wednesday 23 June 1999 7:56 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: AudioMulch loopers? | | | I seem to recall another Audio Mulch looper out there somewhere. | I just found a 12 and.... wait for it........60 second stereo delay VST | plug in. It works a treat | Just though you'd like to know. | | Gareth | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 02:29:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22592; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:29:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:29:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: helping hands??? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:56:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000301bebecf$67660700$341ed1d1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB55E4@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"LpA-12.0.RB4.tcnSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, I'd like to know too cause mine's been dead for years. | -----Original Message----- | From: Liebig, Steuart A. [mailto:LiebigSA@Maritz.com] | Sent: Wednesday 23 June 1999 1:52 PM | To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' | Subject: helping hands??? | | | i have a friend whose eh 16-second delay just developed a nice | hum (there | was a really nice high-pitched squeal that lasted about 10-20 | seconds during | a set break, capacitor death?). | | anyone have any ideas about people who are competent to fix | these thangs? | | thanks, | | stig | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 03:59:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05986; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:59:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:59:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:27:07 -0700 Message-ID: <002901bebedc$21806de0$341ed1d1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990624173627.41002.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"63_yO1.0.U-7.GyoSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My point exactly. There is something to this we can't quite explain fully yet. | -----Original Message----- | From: ld thomson [mailto:heatshrink@hotmail.com] | Sent: Thursday 24 June 1999 10:36 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE | | In regards to an on going debate within the "loopers" community | regarding | the effects of soundscaping on time (both perceived and | actual), the staff | of the GFM noted to me later that they felt they "were in two places at | once" and "felt disconnected from the physical". Maybe it was the heat. | | At one point during the last soundscape of the evening ALL of | my equipment | shut off with a big thud..then three seconds later came back on | and just | continued going (which is impossible, I should have lost the | loop) as if | nothing had happened. What was also interesting about that was | how some | people perceived the shutdown as being a split second, myself | feeling it was | about 3 seconds, and others seeing it as a minute shut down. A | ghost in the | machine? | God stopping by for a visit? A rip in the space/time continuum? | Perhaps some questions are best left unanswered. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 08:26:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09653; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:26:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:26:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377370D9.206A@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:06:49 -0500 From: Steve Dee Reply-To: stevedee@prodigy.net Organization: Prodigy Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #257 References: <199906250708.DAA29768@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S66tY2.0.uU1.G_sSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Put me down for a CD. Thanks. Steve http://pages.prodigy.net/stevedee From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 11:31:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07201; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:31:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:31:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:50:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Washington Post... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"FaIpA2.0.Xw7.xSvSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ...reviews our latest CD today. To see online: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-06/25/053l-062599-idx.html -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 12:09:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15401; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:09:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:09:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990625154703.88568.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.98.101.71] From: Brendan Devitt To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: helping hands??? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:47:03 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"PArIZ.0.xk2.gIwSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone who has an EH-16 that doesn't work...If you're interested in selling I'm looking for one that I can fix up. Just another toy that i'd like to have in the collection Thanks! Brendan >From: "Javier Miranda V." >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: RE: helping hands??? >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:56:01 -0700 > >Yeah, I'd like to know too cause mine's been dead for years. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Liebig, Steuart A. [mailto:LiebigSA@Maritz.com] > | Sent: Wednesday 23 June 1999 1:52 PM > | To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > | Subject: helping hands??? > | > | > | i have a friend whose eh 16-second delay just developed a nice > | hum (there > | was a really nice high-pitched squeal that lasted about 10-20 > | seconds during > | a set break, capacitor death?). > | > | anyone have any ideas about people who are competent to fix > | these thangs? > | > | thanks, > | > | stig > | > | > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 13:40:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01207; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:40:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:40:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <0wfP1FAG66c3Ewh5@waterleat.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:29:58 +0100 To: Legion Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Lee Fletcher Subject: LD CD # 1 Reissue - PLEASE READ References: <377120C5.11D9@voicenet.com> In-Reply-To: <377120C5.11D9@voicenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 Resent-Message-ID: <"zzveB3.0.Wj7.hoxSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In message <377120C5.11D9@voicenet.com>, Legion writes >If you are interested in buying a copy please send me an email so I know >what the demand might be for the intial run. After that I'll carry the >CD in the catalog for as long as orders are coming in. I'll take a copy. Lee Fletcher From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 13:58:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04797; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:58:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:58:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:28:17 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199906251328_MC2-7ACA-39E0@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA31211 Resent-Message-ID: <"KKKnf2.0.xd7.enxSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com time is only relative, especially in performance, isn't it? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 14:13:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07677; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:13:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:13:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:51:04 -0400 (EDT) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199906251751.NAA04163@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Resent-Message-ID: <"9s8ed.0.Mr.W6ySt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice for June, 1999. (Shows #116 to #120; 27-May-1999 to 24-June-1999 Reported in alphabetical order by album title. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Telomere - Astral Currents - Evenfall AirSculpture - Attrition System - Neu Harmony Ian Boddy - Box of Secrets - DiN Deborah Martin - Deep Roots, Hidden Water - Spotted Peccary Redshift - Down Time - Champagne Lake AirSculpture - Europa - Neu Harmony Various - Harmonized - Neu Harmony AirSculpture - Impossible Geometries - Neu Harmony Liveform - In Harmony - Salisbury Sound Robert Rich - Inner Landscapes - Hypnos Ron Boots & Friends - Joie de Vivre - Groove Bjorn Folgelberg - KarooshiPorn - Ninetysix Sounds Cassiel - Listen/Move - Atomic City Various - Mind Out - Wandering Aimlessly Biff Johnson - Mirage at the Crossroads - P&C Broad Vista Various - Soundscape Gallery Volume 3 - Lektronic Soundscapes AirSculpture - Thunderhead - Neu Harmony Stephen Parsick - Traces of the Past - Spheric Mario Schonwalder - Two Piece Box - Manikin Various - Weightless, Effortless - Hypnos From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 14:32:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11714; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:32:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:32:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:22:30 -0400 (EDT) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199906251822.OAA04834@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"a2jB73.0.fO2.-ZySt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #120 June 24, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Neu Harmony recording group, AirSculpture. Adrian Beasley, John Christian, and Peter Ruczynski totally improvise their music! The feature CD at midnight was Thunderhead. AirSculpture : http://www.softbase.co.uk/as Neu Harmony : http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm VA [UBB] Avus Syntonic Waves Vol 7 (Spheric) VA [Under the Dome] Launch Harmonized (Neu Harmony) Lambert Ringlage Immersion Dimensions of Dreams (Spheric) Jiannis Zoomland II Nightsessions (Spheric) Stephen Parsick Cosmic Jellyfish Traces of the Past (Spheric) Stephen Parsick Green Depth Traces of the Past (Spheric) Steve Roach A Few More Moments * Quiet Music (Fortuna) 12:00 am AirSculpture Dark Design Thunderhead (Neu Harmony) AirSculpture Aerostatis Thunderhead (Neu Harmony) AirSculpture Polarvoid Thunderhead (Neu Harmony) AirSculpture Pogofish Thunderhead (Neu Harmony) AirSculpture Thunderhead * Thunderhead (Neu Harmony) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will begin a the month-long focus on Steve Roach. This prolific composer is the master of tribal ambient and constantly forges new sonic territory to explore. The Feature CD at Midnight will be Dream Circle, a Timeroom Editions release. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 14:55:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15936; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:55:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:55:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a901bebf38$f8efee20$362310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: , Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:30:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"orzfu.0.is2.hiySt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ><< Have any other loopers had this kind of weird ghost in the machine >occurrence during performance. (although I don't want to revive that >time/drug thread again) >> Well, er, yes. At my son's baptism, I performed a piece on (amplified) solo acoustic guitar which I wrote for him while awaiting his "arrival", titled "Awaiting Your Arrival". I had everything set up and sound-checked beforehand, but when I began the piece, my signal went dead for *precisely three seconds*. I can say this factually since the piece sits at about 60 BPM and I "lost" about 3 beats. Yet it seemed like an eternity. It was most certainly a visitation by the same benevolent angels who sweep down at the most disconcerting times to bring chaos into highly charged emotional moments, allowing us to peek into that alternative universe where such chaos is irrelevant, and therefore feels (in this concensus reality) like a vast expansion of linear time since we value/fear such chaos so readily. By the way *no one else* noticed any break in the sound except for another guitarist (my son's godfather). Do you think I'll be able to tell him this story in the so-called "future" without making reference to drugs? :-) By the way, my family loves Scrabble. Lots of scores in the low-to-mid 400's at family reunions. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 15:25:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22248; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:25:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:25:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3773D4EE.285AA9BE@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:13:50 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: AudioMulch looper References: <199906240759.DAA15413@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fsQxs.0.xo4.UJzSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check out http://acidfreak.future.easyspace.com/index.html and download the JSpack. JS is this French guy who's written the looper plugin. The jspack has some wild plugins in it the most wonderful being the minisample. This will trap up to 10s of sound, (Stereo). When you've trapped it you can 1 Reverse it 2 Bidirectionalise(?) it 3 Take it up to double speed 4 Take it RIGHT down to sub audio, (watch your speakers go in and out :). In fact you can slow it down to a dead stop - wild! I use a midi trigger to toggle between record and play, (in effect tap delay) and use a midi pedal to alter the speed of the sample. There's nothing stopping you setting up a mixer and running half a dozen of these beauties in parallel either though it can be a bit of a headache keeping track (sic) of what's going on. Enjoy, Gareth > Where? > Randy > > I just found a 12 and.... wait for it........60 > > second stereo delay VST > > plug in. It works a treat > > Just though you'd like to know. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 15:35:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24489; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:35:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:35:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001401bebf3d$ee672540$0fc7bec6@spk.msi> From: "Steven Kraninger" To: Subject: Re: noisy noisy jamman Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:07:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"UsS1v1.0.0Q4.0CzSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Sorry for bothering you but ... I have been trying to get hold of the Jam Man upgrade by E-mailing Bob Sellon and have been getting no replys. How did you get your upgrade? Thanks Much stevek@msidata.com >I've been upgrading the h*ll out of my trusty jamman lately, full memory/bob >sellon's AWESOME software, but no for some reason I'm getting an awful lot >of noise all of the sudden. did I knock something off the circuit in my chip >changing frenzy? > >thanks >please hurry and make it be good news... >dain > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 15:40:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25851; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:40:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:40:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nectars@aol.com Message-ID: <92f4459d.24a52d53@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:06:59 EDT Subject: Digitech Rds 7.6 question To: billfox@lucent.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"cRVNA2.0.YX4.gEzSt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all, I recently picked up this unit, and I have a few questions about it. FIrst, is there any way to eleminate the pause between each sample. (loops) Second, what does the toggle switch do? (the thing that enables you to select the dely sample mode and the normanl trigger sample mode? any help is appreciated, thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 16:22:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01906; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:22:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:22:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906252002.NAA03582@scv3.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:02:05 -0500 Subject: Infernal Machine From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HR4JO3.0.PQ7.N1-St"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I remember a post a few years back discussing a guy who make recordings using four 7.6sec Time Machines linked together through a mixer, but without a traditional sound source. I thought this was released under the name "Infernal Machine", but I can't find anything in the LD archives. Can anyone help me out with info? Travis Hartnett From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 17:51:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18387; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:51:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:51:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3773F19D.FDB5601E@node.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:16:14 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: tc 2290 FS $1300/What About Bob? References: <199906250708.DAA29768@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4wogh2.0.xo2.m4_St"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's been a 2290 on consignment for months out of mind on the Rogue Music website, for a whopping $5 less than this Harmony Central classified ad. However, given this unit's long-consigned condition, perhaps the consignor is now prepared to talk turkey and/or further discounts. I'd been trying to save up for it myself but, to my great dismay and consternation, the local Bloodmobile will not entertain the notion of blood donation "futures". You may not be under the same economic constraints: go ahead on to http://www.roguemusic.com/news.html BTW -- Those in search of Bob Sellon may or may not be aware that his website is http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/bob.htm. If he's not replying to e-mail, this may not be an ideal contact locus for the man -- the impression I get is that he's phasing out of this business of looping -- but the site does make for some occasionally absorbing reading, specifically his first-hand account re: the development of the JamMan (http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/HISTORY.htm). When I grow up, I wanna be be a signal processing star... ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Subject: tc 2290 FS $1300 > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:52:48 -0500 > From: "Travis Hartnett" > To: "Looper's Delight" > > Someone was asking about these recently. From Harmony Central: > > t.c. electronics 2290 delay > > Asking Price: US$1300 > Condition: Mint > Age: N/A > Description: > > t.c. 2290 delay perfect condition. the best digital delay you can > get. I used it for guitar but it has many > applications. comes with manual. let me know if you have any > questions. thanks! > > Seller: charlie hitchcock, 805 564 8902 > E-mail: charliehitchcock@hotmail.com (Profile) > Location: SANTA BARBARA, CA > Post Date: 6/23/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 25 22:25:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30432; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:25:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:25:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990625214928.007af4f0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:49:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Patch bay articles in EM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"b2k6X1.0.9o5.l_2Tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Someone recently mentioned having seen an article on patchbay configuration in a back issue of Electronic Musician. When I asked if anyone knew when this piece ran, some of you contacted me and said you'd like to know too. I asked EM through their website, and got the following info (BTW, Ms. Singer's idea of taking "so long to get back to" me was only a few days!): > >Sorry it's taken us so long to get back to you about your request for the old >patch bay article. We've found the following: > >1. June 1996; Recording Musician column: Patch-Bay Profiles (3 configurations >shown) > >2. September 1995; Square One column: Patch Me Through (patch-bay basics) > >3. January 1993; EM Guide to MIDI Patch Bays and Processors (a feature article) > >Here are a few older articles: > >4. May 1992; Recording Musician column: The Patch Bay > >5. June 1988; two articles: Using a Patch Bay and Build an Eight-in, Eight-out >MIDI Patch Bay." > >Hope that helps! Soon we'll have an article archive up and running on our >website, emusician.com, so the process should be a lot easier! > >Alexandra Singer >Circulation Coordinator >Electronic Musician From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 03:16:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12239; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 03:16:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 03:16:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199906252002.NAA03582@scv3.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:53:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Infernal Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"brfoO.0.Y-1.-W7Tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I remember a post a few years back discussing a guy who make recordings >using four 7.6sec Time Machines linked together through a mixer, but without >a traditional sound source. I thought this was released under the name >"Infernal Machine", but I can't find anything in the LD archives. Can >anyone help me out with info? > >Travis Hartnett Look no further, Travis. The name was "Arcane Device". The music section of my website isn't really developed at present, but there is a discography and a bit of info. One of these days I'll get around to including photos & diagrams of the "feedback machines", but hell, a person has to earn a living and whatnot.... Could those posts really have been a few years ago? http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 04:08:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18903; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 04:08:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 04:08:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990625153758.006c1a28@email.aon.at> X-Sender: aon.912027787@email.aon.at X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:06:22 +0200 To: From: haeusle Subject: tc 2290 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FBS8m.0.V84.bQ8Tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com talked to a guy from tc last monday and asked him about the 2290. he told me that this unit is still produced, BUT you can't get the upgrade chip you need for longer looping & delay times (this chip is pretty old and not produced anymore - for years now!) --lorenz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 07:24:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09516; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:24:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:24:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <28b6f6e.24a60e8b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:07:55 EDT Subject: Re: Compilation Distribution Ideas To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Resent-Message-ID: <"lc0Tp.0.xn1.8JBTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 23/06/99 13:32:25 GMT Daylight Time, crash@waste.org writes: > the idea of a website with MP3s and downloadable cover art is > the best and most realistic idea, Yes, but where are we going to get 100Mbytes or so on a server? Could be in addition to the current CDs Would jpegs be as good for the cover? Also Microsoft are bringing out their own version of mp3, apparently with better quality and smaller files.(Worth considering) Hope they won't be charging for the software though. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 07:26:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10035; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:26:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:26:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990626111446.00712e78@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:14:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: AudioMulch looper Resent-Message-ID: <"PaJid.0.G62.TRBTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com tell us more about your setup!!!! have you multiple Midi Ins in your computer? how do you use Audiomulch? why don't we all Audiomulch users exchange patches? I've build a tri-Minisampler patch ideal for looping and making noises (for Audiomulch 081b, not 082) The stereo Sound In signal is divided and send to 2 different mini samplers, with indipentent MIDI controlled Function (stop, play, rec), sense (direct/reverse/bi) and speed. Doing so I can record in a sampler while the other is playing half speed reverse... or either samplers playing while I change one playback direction, pitch, etc... the mix of the 2 samplers goes to a 3rd mini-sampler, usually set in Stop mode (bypass) but ready to switch to Rec to capture and process the noises from the other 2 samplers. this is the basic setup... but you can add others FX to each path to vary the results... really great prog for sound designing... IMO still not affidable for live playing... too much crashes... how much latency do you get with your sound card? am I wrong saying that v.082b doesn't support more VST plugins? I couldn't find them.... ciao leo ciao leo At 20.13 25/06/99 +0100, you wrote: >Check out http://acidfreak.future.easyspace.com/index.html and download >the JSpack. JS is this French guy who's written the looper plugin. >The jspack has some wild plugins in it the most wonderful being the >minisample. This will trap up to 10s of sound, (Stereo). When you've >trapped it you can >1 Reverse it >2 Bidirectionalise(?) it >3 Take it up to double speed >4 Take it RIGHT down to sub audio, (watch your speakers go in and out >:). In fact you can slow it down to a dead stop - wild! >I use a midi trigger to toggle between record and play, (in effect tap >delay) and use a midi pedal to alter the speed of the sample. There's >nothing stopping you setting up a mixer and running half a dozen of >these beauties in parallel either though it can be a bit of a headache >keeping track (sic) of what's going on. > >Enjoy, > >Gareth > >> Where? >> Randy >> > I just found a 12 and.... wait for it........60 >> > second stereo delay VST >> > plug in. It works a treat >> > Just though you'd like to know. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 08:46:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19993; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:46:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:46:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: Electro-Harmonix Repairs Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:24:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bebfce$e8a8fe30$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990625214928.007af4f0@pop.ici.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"WJHRK3.0.HE4.QQCTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A while back someone was looking for repairs on E-H pedals. I found this post on alt.guitar.effects. I have not dealt with this guy, so I can't vouch for his quality of work ... ELECTRO-HARMONIX STOMPBOXES - REPAIRS AND CUSTOM UPGRADES BY THE ENGINEER THAT DESIGNED THEM Your old E-H pedal can sound as good as or better than new. Few repair techs have the information and knowledge necessary to do PROFESSIONAL WORK on this equipment. I was the CHIEF ELECTRONICS DESIGN ENGINEER with E-H for five years, and am now an independent consultant. If I designed it, I CAN FIX OR REDESIGN IT! All work guaranteed for 30 days, parts and labor. For a free estimate, please accurately describe the problem with your unit or the custom mod you want. E-mail to hdavis@pop.interport.net I BUY TOO - Not worth fixing? Don't throw it out! I may buy it if it's structurally intact. That means the PC board is not physically broken and the box is not bent or rusted. Some paint scratching OK. E-mail for information. "Howard Davis" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 10:57:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05702; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:57:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:57:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <016501bebfe1$0bbdfda0$1d73d6d1@micronjenni> From: "Jenni Leeds" To: Subject: Tom Recchion Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:34:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"XQ7Hv2.0.KK.MEETt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Loopers, his stuff is really good. Has anyone heard this album. I think it's only for those who like warped sounds. Peace. Artist: RECCHION, TOM Title: Chaotica Label: BIRDMAN RECORDS Format: CD Price: $11.00 Catalog Number: BMR 007 "Alumni from the legendary L.A.F.M.S. releases his first full-length, which is a celebration of the tape loop medium. Simultaneously exotic and chaotic. Sounds like a cross between a David Lynch soundtrack and an Esquivel album that's been left out in the rain." Recorded during 1985-86 at Foundation Boo, Tom utilizes pre-recorded stereo tape-loops, records, cassettes, analog and digital effects and keyboards (no samplers) to create a mind-blowing array of dizzying sound. Totally exceptional in every way. Jamie From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 11:06:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07339; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:06:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:06:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199906252002.NAA03582@scv3.apple.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:59:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Infernal Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"pYx1m.0.SN1._eETt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>I remember a post a few years back discussing a guy who make recordings >>using four 7.6sec Time Machines linked together through a mixer, but without >>a traditional sound source. I thought this was released under the name >>"Infernal Machine", but I can't find anything in the LD archives. Can >>anyone help me out with info? >> >>Travis Hartnett > >Look no further, Travis. The name was "Arcane Device". The music section >of my website isn't really developed at present, but there is a discography >and a bit of info. One of these days I'll get around to including photos & >diagrams of the "feedback machines", but hell, a person has to earn a >living and whatnot.... Could those posts really have been a few years ago? > > >http://www.pulsewidth.com Arcane Device is highly recommended, IMHO, for lovers of real electronic music. My first disk (Fetish, also with PGR) was found lying on a rack of other CDs at Tower Records and purchased precisely because of its enigmatic cover. The first few moments of the CD convinced me I had done the right thing. http://www.pulsewidth.com/pages/ArcaneDevice.html has the discography. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 11:28:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10794; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:28:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:28:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199906252002.NAA03582@scv3.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:53:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Mackie experts Resent-Message-ID: <"8R8h91.0.j51.VYETt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am planning out a new feedback/looping setup and need a cheap but high quality small mixer. Ideally it should have four postfader aux sends for the various loopers' paths; that's the rub. And I'm tired of building electronics to attain what might be had commercially, so that's out. The Mackie 1202VLZ is in many ways just perfect--if it only had a send or two more! I'm aware that the insert jacks on channels 1-4 can serve as a sort of send, but that's not exactly the best solution. Are there any Mackie experts here who can give me some tips? Any way to make use of the alt 3/4 bus? I'm looking at the block diagram here, and there's obviously loads of flexibility, but haven't figured it yet. Also, does anyone have experience with the new "Pro" VLZ's? Mackie's info says "frequency response is virtually from DC to light". What I really would like is a top end around microwave, but heck.... David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 11:35:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12232; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:35:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:35:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:27:30 EDT Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Resent-Message-ID: <"I0xHk1.0.Cg2.a6FTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 24/06/99 20:10:17 GMT Daylight Time, KB305@aol.com writes: > At one point during the last soundscape of the evening ALL of my equipment > shut off with a big thud..then three seconds later came back on and just > continued going (which is impossible, I should have lost the loop) 3 seconds is exactly the time it takes someone to pull out the power plug for you amplifier, realise their mistake, and put it back again. ...........................Coincdence???! Andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 11:46:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13998; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:46:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:46:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:27:31 EDT Subject: Vortex psuedo-wah To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Resent-Message-ID: <"N63Jc.0.2g2.Z6FTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com heres a copy of a recent correspondance thought I ought to share > I received your e mail address from Todd Madson. I am trying to find > a wah-wah program for my Lexicon Vortex using a cc pedal. Any > information would be very much appreciated. > THANX ! JESSE C. STRACK I'll look into that, there's no way to get the exact Wah-Wah effect from the vortex but I do have the following "autowah" patch Sweep A Mix 64 Output 64 modFX LVL 64 Echo FX LVL 1 morph any env 36 Rate1 2>>>>1 * Depth1 37 res1 50 rate2 any depth2 1 res2 50 * you have to start the patch with Rate1 set to 2, then listen to the output which will change in terms of "Wah depth" as rate 2 cycles . Change Rate1 to 1 when you get the sound you want. (set for max effect) Once you've got this set up I reckon you could assign the pedal to Depth1 and change env to 1. Let me know how you get on. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database (new section on undocumented features) http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 12:40:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22380; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:40:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:40:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199906252002.NAA03582@scv3.apple.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:15:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Mackie experts Resent-Message-ID: <"x0s4_3.0.Xl4.bwFTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Myers wrote: [Mackie 1202VLZ] >Any way to make use of the >alt 3/4 bus? I'm looking at the block diagram here, and there's obviously >loads of flexibility, but haven't figured it yet. The 3/4 bus in the 1202 and one of the 16xx units is seductive but I rarely do end up using it. As you've probably read, the idea is that any channels that are muted actually are fed into the special alt 3/4 "bus" (which is really just an extra pair of outputs). You can use this as an extra pair of sends but there are two problems. The first is that you have to mute a channel to send it. That means if you want to hear ANY of the dry signal, it has to come from the effects unit, which means monkeying with the wet/dry balance on the unit if it has one. This means, for example, that you can't EQ just the effect on a channel. The second is more insidious... your friendly Mute switch no longer means "silence this channel" but "send it at full volume to my effects unit". The potential for rather dramatic errors is obvious I think, particularly if other people may adjust your board at some point. Sends are comparatively expensive to add, necessitating at least one extra component per channel as well as the circuitry for the send, and are also consumptive of board space (same argument). but what I wouldn't give for a 16-track, 6 send mixer that I could carry around. ["Pro" VLZ's?] Hadn't heard of these. >Mackie's info says "frequency response is virtually from DC to light". +/-0.1db from 20Hz to 100KHz is very impressive, Neve quality. >What I really >would like is a top end around microwave, but heck.... Give it up, I've been told that air has a maximum transmission frequency that's less than a gigahertz. (though I couldn't find a single reference to back this up.) /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 14:22:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04184; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:22:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:22:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906261804.OAA07392@smtp1.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:12:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Mackie experts From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8dYqo3.0.uU.OPHTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i own a 1604 vlz pro and it "tis da bomb"...this is my setup in action i have a SP808 which i am selling and resorting to minidisk recorders that are feed thru a bunch of delays as well as my q2 and MPX 1 from lexi which has some nice programmable features on it... i will be editing and arranging songs on my new MOTU 2408. ANyone know of some nice loop editors for a MAC let me know...please ---------- >From: David Myers >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Mackie experts >Date: Sat, Jun 26, 1999, 11:53 AM > >I am planning out a new feedback/looping setup and need a cheap but high >quality small mixer. Ideally it should have four postfader aux sends for >the various loopers' paths; that's the rub. And I'm tired of building >electronics to attain what might be had commercially, so that's out. > >The Mackie 1202VLZ is in many ways just perfect--if it only had a send or >two more! I'm aware that the insert jacks on channels 1-4 can serve as a >sort of send, but that's not exactly the best solution. Are there any >Mackie experts here who can give me some tips? Any way to make use of the >alt 3/4 bus? I'm looking at the block diagram here, and there's obviously >loads of flexibility, but haven't figured it yet. > >Also, does anyone have experience with the new "Pro" VLZ's? Mackie's info >says "frequency response is virtually from DC to light". What I really >would like is a top end around microwave, but heck.... > >David Myers > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 16:53:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26979; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:53:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:53:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990626163311.007a4100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:33:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Mackie experts In-Reply-To: References: <199906252002.NAA03582@scv3.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1k1vZ2.0.3a5.DTJTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm in the same boat as David Meyers; I want to upgrade to a more flexible and less noisy board and am looking for something affordable, 10 to 16 channels with a lot of sends so I can assign different amounts of each channel's signal to various looping devices. Anyone found a mixer which is particularly suited to a looper's needs? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 18:09:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05802; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:09:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:09:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: RE: Mackie experts Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:39:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199906261804.OAA07392@smtp1.mindspring.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"_8bIl2.0.aP.kYKTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I do use a Mackie 1202VLZ in my looping rig (which, hint hint, you can read about the setup at my page), but I loop with the Plex and the 2 seconds of delay on my guitar preamp only. I use the Alt 3/4 to send the guitar, guitar synth, and Plex sounds to a single channel, so i can control the overall volume and mix my sounds better with my vocalist. For my setup, the Mackie rocks- its small, quiet, and I can use it home for PC recording. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave   'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 18:29:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08909; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:29:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:29:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379CDDA5.41AA@dmans.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:13:57 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mackie experts References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uc2Ab2.0.GY1.S1LTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Myers wrote: > > I am planning out a new feedback/looping setup and need a cheap but high > quality small mixer. Ideally it should have four postfader aux sends for > the various loopers' paths; that's the rub. And I'm tired of building > electronics to attain what might be had commercially, so that's out. > > The Mackie 1202VLZ is in many ways just perfect--if it only had a send or > two more! I'm aware that the insert jacks on channels 1-4 can serve as a > sort of send, but that's not exactly the best solution. Are there any > Mackie experts here who can give me some tips? Any way to make use of the > alt 3/4 bus? I'm looking at the block diagram here, and there's obviously > loads of flexibility, but haven't figured it yet. > > Also, does anyone have experience with the new "Pro" VLZ's? Mackie's info > says "frequency response is virtually from DC to light". What I really > would like is a top end around microwave, but heck.... > > David Myers The 16 channel Alesis console, the 1602, I think, is a good mixer and has 6 aux sends. I used one in a band a few years ago. While I believe the Mackie gear sounds better, this is an inexpensive choice if you need many auxes. -- Motley From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 23:01:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14731; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:01:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:01:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199906252002.NAA03582@scv3.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:34:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Mackie experts Resent-Message-ID: <"PWvTI1.0.Ba2.LqOTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For the general assistance of all (perhaps), I will set forth the envisioned solution to my admittedly particular difficulty. Don't I wish that there were the usual sends available in greater quantity on the 1202 VLZ, but.... I see that if I have loop device one's output coming in on channel two (for example), and loop device two on channel three, I can Y-cord the inputs of these channels to channels 5/6 and 7/8 respectively, then select "alt 3/4 bus" for those channels, and create a "send" (two, actually, with hard-panning 5/6 left and 7/8 right) for the two and three channels alone. The advantage over using the insert points being that at least I have pot control over the sends' output--as well as EQ on what is sent. Of course "mute" on any channel is lost, but some crazy goodness might be had by thus momentarily sending a channel over 3/4 to whatever awaits.... Thanks to all for the responses. David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 26 23:13:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16322; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:13:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:13:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37758DC2.919C6EEC@iamerica.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:34:42 -0500 From: Micah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: tc 2290 References: <3.0.32.19990625153758.006c1a28@email.aon.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"z7xhK.0.Bw2.0-OTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > talked to a guy from tc last monday and asked him about the 2290. he told > me that this unit is still produced, BUT you can't get the upgrade chip you > need for longer looping & delay times (this chip is pretty old and not > produced anymore - for years now!) I would not expect the 2290 to last much longer. TC can no longer provide memory expansion because they no longer have a supplier for the necessary ribbon connector that is used to hook up the upgrade chips. This ribbon cable came from somewhere in the far east, and the company that produced it has been out of business for a while. So any 2290 you pick up today will never have more than 4 seconds of sampling (well...8 seconds if you put the unit into "double sampling" time, but the audio will be degraded a little). They have also discontinued both of their footcontrol units for the 2290. This makes the 2290 nearly useless as a live performance looping device. This also means you can only access the 2290's 5 fx loops via many front panel button presses. After all this, when you consider the fact that the 2290 is still an incredibly expensive device, I don't see how it's gonna stick around much longer. If TC would considerably drop the price, it might still be a viable unit for the present and future. But as it stands you can spend less money on other units that will actually give you more combined options than the 2290. In its defense it is still is a great sounding delay though. Micah From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 27 02:54:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18009; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 02:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 02:54:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <4816fefd.24a71d45@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 02:23:01 EDT Subject: Re: Mackie experts To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"JOgb01.0.JL3.0ESTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You might also want to take a look at Spirit's line of small mixers as well. Aaaaand I saw a used Tascam 8-track, four buss mixer the other day with four aux's at a music-go-round for $299 (originally $2500). I don't remember the model number... Btw: a mixer 'played' as an instrument hasn't been discussed much on this list in recent memory but my mixer is definitely used as if it were one. In fact, I couldn't accomplish 80% of what I do do without 'playing it' constantly during a set. (I can't wait to get my hands on a digital mixer that is midi controlled. (lust ...lust)...."desire is the root of all suffering"...and I guess I choose to suffer.) ;-) Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 27 03:35:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23502; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 03:35:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 03:35:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <252ab26c.24a72030@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 02:35:28 EDT Subject: Re: Mackie experts To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"nR8r21.0.em3.kPSTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My mixer is a Spirit Folio SX by Soundcraft (100mm faders), 12 individual inputs + 4 stereo pairs, 3 aux's and it's light weight and has a good solid handle for carrying around. I got rid of my Mackie 1604VLZ to buy this. I've never used anything cleaner in this price range. Made in the UK. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 27 04:13:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28709; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 04:13:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 04:13:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3775CF62.1C6A85AB@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 03:14:42 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: [Fwd: Bucketheadland Announcements, 6/26/99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KkfCo.0.gG5.41TTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Bucketheadland Announcements, 6/26/99 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:48:42 -0700 From: Psycho Buddy To: bingebuddies@bucketheadland.com Fellow Bingebuddies: It's been a long time since we've sent out news from the coop. Lots of exciting things have happened, and there are many more to come. First off, for those of you with your heads in the sand, Buckethead is touring with Primus on the OZZFEST tour this summer. There are still a lot of dates and locations. Check them out at: http://www.bucketheadland.com/attractions.html There are also some non-OZZFEST dates listed. Second, there are a few new albums available, and some coming soon. Travis Dickerson Recording Studios has two Viggo Mortensen albums on which Buckethead plays. (These are not for the feint of heart!). TDRS will also have the new Death Cube K album when it's available. Check out: http://www.tdrsmusic.com/ for more info. Third, Cyberoctave will be releasing Buckethead's new album, Monsters and Robots, on Sept. 21st. I'm working on getting some sound clips up. You can currently get more info at: http://www.cyberoctave.com There will be a page for the album on Bucketheadland as soon as possible. [This one's gonna be killer!] Also, there's some new batch at the toystore. Two new Binge videos (6 and 7) are available. These are more performance oriented than the others, and have some pretty cool stuff on them. We've finally got copies of "13th Scroll" (Cobra Strike) available as well. Buckethead's toystore can be found at: http://www.bucketheadland.com/toystore And the Bucketboard is now a thriving community. Correspond with other fans, get info about concerts, albums and other stuff at: http://www.bucketheadland.com/bucketboard [Thanks for the art, hostbot!] Shredder p.s. Remeber to check out the toystore for cool Buckethead merchandise! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 27 06:06:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09102; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 06:06:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 06:06:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3775ED75.51209FEC@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 10:23:01 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Audio Mulch References: <199906270722.DAA22117@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iqeYl2.0.r21.GsUTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Leo, Firstly - get .82 asap it remembers all VST parameters and the latency is less than on .81, (about 69 ms on my system- which I can deal with). It's also much more stable though I didn't find the previous version too bad. I will be doing a live gig with it next Wednesday. I use a Zoom 8080 acts as a midi controller mainly to switch things on and off such as samplers and delays. I often use a pedal to control filter cutoff on my North Pole plugin which is excellent. I don't have any one way of working overall. I suppose that's the beauty of having such a flexible system. I use the ring mod, granular synthesis, North pole, pithch shifting and Xverb reverb a lot. The latter is able to produce an infinite reverb which is an effect I've been looking for ever since I heard it on an old AMS unit. One of my favourite tricks is to insert a signal modifier into a dealy path try it with ring mod it adds more enharmonic components to the sound on each pass. I do have multiple midi in's on my P200 but I only use one for AM. I'd be into exchanging AM patches too. I don't quite know what you mean by > am I wrong saying that v.082b doesn't support more VST plugins? I couldn't > find them.... .82 can run as many plugins as you like, (provided your processor doesn't overload Ciao, Gareth > tell us more about your setup!!!! > > have you multiple Midi Ins in your computer? > > how do you use Audiomulch? > > why don't we all Audiomulch users exchange patches? > > I've build a tri-Minisampler patch ideal for looping and making noises (for > Audiomulch 081b, not 082) > The stereo Sound In signal is divided and send to 2 different mini samplers, > with indipentent MIDI controlled Function (stop, play, rec), sense > (direct/reverse/bi) and speed. Doing so I can record in a sampler while the > other is playing half speed reverse... or either samplers playing while I > change one playback direction, pitch, etc... > the mix of the 2 samplers goes to a 3rd mini-sampler, usually set in Stop > mode (bypass) but ready to switch to Rec to capture and process the noises > from the other 2 samplers. this is the basic setup... but you can add others > FX to each path to vary the results... > really great prog for sound designing... IMO still not affidable for live > playing... too much crashes... > > how much latency do you get with your sound card? > > ciao > leo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 27 14:42:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09030; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:42:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:42:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003801bec0c8$a0d10e40$4f32dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: "EarthLight Newsletter" Subject: Return of Me, AND The LOTW Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:12:19 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01BEC08D.EC1874A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"6MO4T2.0.X51.zdcTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01BEC08D.EC1874A0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0034_01BEC08D.EC219C60" ------=_NextPart_001_0034_01BEC08D.EC219C60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_002_0035_01BEC08D.EC219C60" ------=_NextPart_002_0035_01BEC08D.EC219C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, All! I've just returned from two needed weeks of vacation in the UK and = Scotland, full of renewed energy, new material and lots of plans for it. = Also, tons of photographs and diary-esque entries which I will be = posting online within the week. In the meantime a new Loop Of The Week is posted in the Studios page for = your downloading and enjoyment. It hopefully reflects the state of mind = one has when one sees the removal of barriers real and imagined, to say = nothing of the sheer pleasure of the trip. And of course, the company = kept there. :) See you soon! Or vice versa... Stephen Goodman * It's the Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html ------=_NextPart_002_0035_01BEC08D.EC219C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings, All!
 
I've just returned from two needed weeks of vacation in the UK and=20 Scotland, full of renewed energy, new material and lots of plans for = it. =20 Also, tons of photographs and diary-esque entries which I will be = posting online=20 within the week.
 
In the meantime a new Loop Of The Week is posted in the Studios = page for=20 your downloading and enjoyment.  It hopefully reflects the state of = mind=20 one has when one sees the removal of barriers real and imagined, to say = nothing=20 of the sheer pleasure of the trip.  And of course, the company kept = there.=20 :)
 
See you soon!  Or vice versa...
 
Stephen Goodman * It's the Loop of the Week!
EarthLight = Productions * http://www.earthlight.net= /Studios.html
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Goodman.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Stephen P. Goodman.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Goodman;Stephen P. FN:Stephen P. 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Howdy
 
I will be performing a solo soundscaping set at = Common=20 Grounds  Thursday night  the 22nd of July10-12pm. Admission is = FREE. 
 
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(corner of Reseda and Prairie)
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEC0F2.42E6E780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 27 19:37:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21538; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:37:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:37:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRzLm/TVKtPsLCC01yvlCfVpWjnJgIVAJG5PtF0NgMtB7LsKyrSkSdYobp6 From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:21:35 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Bucketheadland Announcements, 6/26/99] Message-ID: <4089-3776B1FF-12917@postoffice-111.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Jeff Duke 's message of Sun, 27 Jun 1999 03:14:42 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"Rz6nc.0.ri4.D8hTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 28 06:17:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22980; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:17:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:17:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990628095855.007189ac@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:58:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: Audio Mulch Resent-Message-ID: <"C38Hb.0.zA5.UWqTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Gareth latency is about 30 ms on my MOTU2408... pretty good I think... At 10.23 27/06/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Leo, >Firstly - get .82 asap it remembers all VST parameters and the latency >is less than on .81, (about 69 ms on my system- which I can deal with). >It's also much more stable though I didn't find the previous version too >bad. yes, you're right... I did'nt use 0.82b cause I thought there was no VST support (strange...) but the problem was just no plugins were in the right folder... >I will be doing a live gig with it next Wednesday. how do you use it for live playing? which instruments going in Audiomulch? Are you using a laptop? which model and soundcard? tell us more about your live set... and if Audiomulch is stable enough for stage playing! I use a Zoom 8080 >acts as a midi controller mainly to switch things on and off such as >samplers and delays. I often use a pedal to control filter cutoff on my >North Pole plugin which is excellent. I don't have any one way of >working overall. I suppose that's the beauty of having such a flexible >system. I use the ring mod, granular synthesis, North pole, pithch >shifting and Xverb reverb a lot. The latter is able to produce an >infinite reverb which is an effect I've been looking for ever since I >heard it on an old AMS unit. Xverb? can you say more about this plug ins? where did you find it? I use my new Yamaha RM1x (hardware sequencer with 16 assignable knobs) as MIDI controller. The knobs switch sampler functions, speed and direction. In my last Audiomulch setup I'm using up to 4 minisamplers at the time, in various serial/parallel configurations. Initially I've used the Northpole but now I've added the Waldorf plug in as main filter thing. the filter is better IMO (no distortion even at higher settings). One of my favourite tricks is to insert a >signal modifier into a dealy path try it with ring mod it adds more >enharmonic components to the sound on each pass. >I do have multiple midi in's on my P200 but I only use one for AM. I'd >be into exchanging AM patches too. I don't quite know what you mean by > >> am I wrong saying that v.082b doesn't support more VST plugins? I couldn't >> find them.... > >.82 can run as many plugins as you like, (provided your processor >doesn't overload PII350.... ;) ciao leo PS if you wanna trade patches e-mail me privately > >Ciao, >Gareth > >> tell us more about your setup!!!! >> >> have you multiple Midi Ins in your computer? >> >> how do you use Audiomulch? >> >> why don't we all Audiomulch users exchange patches? >> >> I've build a tri-Minisampler patch ideal for looping and making noises (for >> Audiomulch 081b, not 082) >> The stereo Sound In signal is divided and send to 2 different mini samplers, >> with indipentent MIDI controlled Function (stop, play, rec), sense >> (direct/reverse/bi) and speed. Doing so I can record in a sampler while the >> other is playing half speed reverse... or either samplers playing while I >> change one playback direction, pitch, etc... >> the mix of the 2 samplers goes to a 3rd mini-sampler, usually set in Stop >> mode (bypass) but ready to switch to Rec to capture and process the noises >> from the other 2 samplers. this is the basic setup... but you can add others >> FX to each path to vary the results... >> really great prog for sound designing... IMO still not affidable for live >> playing... too much crashes... >> >> how much latency do you get with your sound card? > >> >> ciao >> leo > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 28 10:41:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29169; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:41:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:41:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <015c01bec171$c879e710$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Mackie experts Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:23:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"nf4fN2.0.1m6.ZTuTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Great website, Dave! I really enjoyed it! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Future Perfect To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, June 26, 1999 5:10 PM Subject: RE: Mackie experts I do use a Mackie 1202VLZ in my looping rig (which, hint hint, you can read about the setup at my page), but I loop with the Plex and the 2 seconds of delay on my guitar preamp only. I use the Alt 3/4 to send the guitar, guitar synth, and Plex sounds to a single channel, so i can control the overall volume and mix my sounds better with my vocalist. For my setup, the Mackie rocks- its small, quiet, and I can use it home for PC recording. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 28 12:00:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10488; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:00:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:00:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990628154832.30757.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:48:32 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"XLDwx1.0.J62.zbvTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >3 seconds is exactly the time it takes someone to pull out the power plug >for you amplifier, realise their mistake, and put it back again. >............................Coincdence???! > >Andy butler > Pulling the plug on my amp is impossible since my amp was beside me and plugged in behind me. Cutting the power to my amp would not turn of my GR 300, my Dimension 12, my GP8, my DIGITEC 2 second delay, and the SE-70. If a breaker or fuse had been thrown it would have effected the lights in the Cafe, the fan etc. I am not some new age dreamer. I do not watch the x-files. And I know what my gear can and can not do. You can not shut it ALL off and then turn it all back on and not lose the loop. This is why I'm bothered by what happened. No coincdence Andy. I was there, and I've tried to duplicate it by killing my powerbar mid-loop. the result. I lost everything and the effects units reset themselves. They didn't return to the patch they were on before they were shut off. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 28 13:06:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23609; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:06:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:06:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990628154832.30757.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:45:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE Resent-Message-ID: <"rRXQm3.0.Bk4.mRwTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >This is why I'm bothered by what happened. >No coincdence Andy. I was there, and I've tried to duplicate it by killing >my powerbar mid-loop. the result. I lost everything and the >effects units reset themselves. They didn't return to the patch they were >on before they were shut off. if it was a voltage drop rather than an outage, your memory might have kept its state even though the amplifier couldn't amplify and the display couldn't display. suppose eg someone had turned a heavy air-conditioner on the line, realized their mistake, and turned it off again (3 seconds). or it coulda bin one a' them new-fangled geomagnetic abnormalities. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 28 13:18:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25571; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:18:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:18:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906281657.JAA16232@scv2.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:57:56 -0500 Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9yvOW2.0.9J5.gcwTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We perceive our perceptions. Why obsess over this? Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. Maybe it lasted a while, maybe it was really quick. Time is funny when you're on stage. Travis Hartnett ---------- >From: Tom Ritchford >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE >Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999, 11:45 AM > >>This is why I'm bothered by what happened. >>No coincdence Andy. I was there, and I've tried to duplicate it by killing >>my powerbar mid-loop. the result. I lost everything and the >>effects units reset themselves. They didn't return to the patch they were >>on before they were shut off. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 28 13:21:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26159; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:21:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:21:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3777AA91.9BE6938@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:02:10 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Compilation Distribution Ideas References: <28b6f6e.24a60e8b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RLYed1.0.eU5.zewTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com andy butler wrote: > Also Microsoft are bringing out their own version of mp3... > > Hope they won't be charging for the software though. are we talking about the same microsoft here? :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 28 14:05:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02793; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:05:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:05:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3777B778.219943E9@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:57:22 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fw: Sound Scaping Stick References: <001501bec0df$1bd2ea80$f109b3d1@jeancolin> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------409D65198C2870B251311A98" Resent-Message-ID: <"em2u_2.0.EC.eSxTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------409D65198C2870B251311A98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Colin wrote: > Howdy I will be performing a solo soundscaping set at Common Grounds > Thursday night the 22nd of July10-12pm. Admission is FREE. Common > Grounds (818) 882-36669250 Reseda blvd Northridge CA USA(corner of > Reseda and Prairie) Colin Jenkinson | nosnikneJ niloC rats! i'm out of town that week. put me on your mailing list, tho... lance g. --------------409D65198C2870B251311A98 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Colin wrote:
Howdy I will be performing a solo soundscaping set at Common Grounds  Thursday night  the 22nd of July10-12pm. Admission is FREE. Common Grounds (818) 882-36669250 Reseda blvd Northridge CA USA(corner of Reseda and Prairie) Colin Jenkinson | nosnikneJ niloC


rats! i'm out of town that week. put me on your mailing list, tho...

lance g. --------------409D65198C2870B251311A98-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 28 14:08:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03464; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:08:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:08:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01d501bec18f$64a26140$2b2310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: , Subject: Akai Headrush review Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:54:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"67K6Z1.0.xB.cSxTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -This is way behind the curve, but I thought you'd all like to know that the Akai Headrush (and other Akai pedals) will finally be reviewed in "Guitar" magazine (the U.S. publication formerly known as "Guitar for the Practicing Musician") by yours truly. There were so many postings about a month ago (which I have kept for reference) that I'm sure more was covered then than can fit in a relatively short magazine review. But rest assured it (and the other pedals, which look very interesting, with lots of "expression" options) will be put through it's paces by a dedicated loophead. Any updates on use, problems to look for, etc. will be appreciated. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 28 14:48:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11582; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:48:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:48:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004601bec192$1611bdc0$e40eb3d1@jeancolin> From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" To: Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:13:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"tXE4m3.0.tF1.anxTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Power Dip or Surge? Colin Jenkinson | nosnikneJ niloC -----Original Message----- From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, June 28, 1999 9:05 AM Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE > > >> >>3 seconds is exactly the time it takes someone to pull out the power plug >>for you amplifier, realise their mistake, and put it back again. >>............................Coincdence???! >> >>Andy butler >> > >Pulling the plug on my amp is impossible since my amp was beside me and >plugged in behind me. Cutting the power to my amp would not turn of my GR >300, my Dimension 12, my GP8, my DIGITEC 2 second delay, and the SE-70. If >a breaker or fuse had been thrown it would have effected the lights in the >Cafe, the fan etc. I am not some new age dreamer. I do not watch the >x-files. And I know what my gear can and can not do. You can not shut it >ALL off and then turn it all back on >and not lose the loop. This is why I'm bothered by what happened. >No coincdence Andy. I was there, and I've tried to duplicate it by killing >my powerbar mid-loop. the result. I lost everything and the >effects units reset themselves. They didn't return to the patch they were >on before they were shut off. > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 28 16:31:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08995; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:31:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:31:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:21:36 EDT Subject: Re: Mackie experts To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"JZitL.0.ao1.EczTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i second that. totally interesting website. useful even. good job dave! =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 28 16:59:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14879; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:59:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:59:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQWB+1FLgUOoFERZNRdW6ZHWEYdLgIUIB97OESHwO1drsrOXIeHRba5Q+o= From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:51:22 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Message-ID: <4090-3777E04A-11436@postoffice-111.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "IAN.SIMPSON" 's message of Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:10:35 +0100 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"vJEfj.0.RF3.O1-Tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 28 16:47:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12562; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:47:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:47:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <6e1aabf4.24a93791@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:39:45 EDT Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Resent-Message-ID: <"mTq9G2.0.Vi2.KtzTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 28/06/99 19:48:09 GMT Daylight Time, jeancolin@earthlink.net writes: > Cutting the power to my amp would not turn of my GR > >300, my Dimension 12, my GP8, my DIGITEC 2 second delay, Hence the power to your amp could be cut off (=no sound)without losing the loop. That's why I think your experience probably has a rational and mundane explanation. ...................but Like you , I prefer the more interesting and inspiring version. I apologise for trying to make humour at your expense Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 28 17:06:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16319; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:06:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:06:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAlI789wxrTfvosPAs0qcQyffEfDECFQDBIA7xggkKliYL7WYNCJhO+D1vAA== From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:59:37 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Roland SP-808 Message-ID: <4088-3777E239-19966@postoffice-111.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"opmkk3.0.Df3.89-Tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anybody use the Roland SP-88 Groove Sampler for looping ? Does it emulate the Lexicon Jamman ? What about the Roland MC-303 or MC-505 ? Thanks. Jordan Pease From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 28 17:25:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20385; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:25:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:25:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , "'Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com'" Subject: EDP Buy - The Numbers so far... Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:15:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"Lqq7p2.0.4d4.5Q-Tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those with an interest, so far I have collected the following submissions to the EDP-Buy list A. "ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITED TO BUY AN EDP IF I CAN FIND ONE" ORDER FORM USA & CANADA - 19 EUROPE - 5 TOTAL - 24 B. "ONLY 99% OR LESS COMMITED" ORDER FORM USA & CANADA - 8 EUROPE - 1 TOTAL - 9 Grand Total 33 My goal is 50. We have a way to go yet. Here are the details agin.... I cannot think of a better way to stimulate GIBSON into Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP) production than a long list of profitable orders waiting to be fulfilled! With that in mind, I'm starting a list of people who really want to buy a NEW EDP. This list will be submitted to whoever picks up the production of the EDP at Gibson. Clearly we can't KNOW the price of the unit at this time, so please assume it will be in the same $600-$700 range as before. Hopefully we will be able to negotiate ourselves a good price and have priority on new units. However, I will NOT be accepting any money. I will not be a middleman. BUT, I WILL make sure this list is in the hands of people who can get the EDP produced again! I am providing two forms (below): A. "ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITED TO BUY AN EDP IF I CAN FIND ONE" ORDER FORM B. "ONLY 99% OR LESS COMMITED" ORDER FORM If you are ABSOLUTELY COMMITED and seriously want to buy an EDP, then use FORM A. If you're on the fence or uncommitted to paying $600-$700 for an NEW EDP, then use FORM B. Please paste the appropriate form text into an email message, fill it out, and email it to me at DKirkdorffer@exapps.com . Please use the exact text below, so I can keep everything organized. Thanks! David Kirkdorffer FORM A A. "ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITED TO BUY AN EDP IF I CAN FIND ONE" ORDER FORM Please provide the following details in the following format: A. NAME: A. MAILING ADDRESS: A. DAY PHONE: A. NIGHT PHONE: A. E-MAIL: A. NUMBER OF EDP'S YOU WANT TO ORDER: A. DATE YOU SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO GROUP BUY II: A. HOW MANY EDP'S DO YOU ALREADY OWN? A. DO YOU ALREADY OWN ANOTHER "LOOPER"? A. WHAT INSTRUMENT(S) DO YOU PLAY? FORM B B. "ONLY 99% OR LESS COMMITED" ORDER FORM Please provide the following details in the following format: B. NAME: B. MAILING ADDRESS: B. DAY PHONE: B. NIGHT PHONE: B. E-MAIL: B. NUMBER OF EDP'S YOU WANT TO ORDER: B. DATE YOU SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO GROUP BUY II: B. HOW MANY EDP'S DO YOU ALREADY OWN? B. DO YOU ALREADY OWN ANOTHER "LOOPER"? B. WHAT INSTRUMENT(S) DO YOU PLAY? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 28 21:59:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02054; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:59:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:59:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990629012823.6158.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:28:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"TJhk42.0.ts7.qL2Ut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---ld thomson wrote: You can not shut it > ALL off and then turn it all back on > and not lose the loop. This is why I'm bothered by what happened. > No coincdence Andy. I was there, and I've tried to duplicate it by killing > my powerbar mid-loop. the result. I lost everything and the > effects units reset themselves. They didn't return to the patch they were > on before they were shut off. Actually, I've had a power flucuation that dumped all the lights off on my rack, but did not lose the loop or settings on the pedals. I can only speculate that that what was experienced was NOT a "black-out", but more like a "brown-out". 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 29 02:32:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16235; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:32:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:32:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:14:28 +0800 Message-Id: <199906290614.OAA25567@salsa.iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) From: trent1@iinet.net.au To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: trent1@iinet.net.au Subject: Re: Roland SP-808 Resent-Message-ID: <"hUW791.0.D63.PH6Ut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Does anybody use the Roland SP-88 Groove Sampler for looping ? > >Does it emulate the Lexicon Jamman ? > >What about the Roland MC-303 or MC-505 ? > >Thanks. Jordan Pease > Hey Jordan! Not in your life!!! the groove sampler only processes loops of a pre-determined time frame, so you can't just dump in a live guitar track in as you would somehow have to be perfectly in sinc. with the time meter. Cheers, Trent!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 29 05:34:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06070; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 05:34:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 05:34:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 03:29:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mackie experts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qwMeo1.0.8w5.3O7Ut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, David Myers wrote: > The Mackie 1202VLZ is in many ways just perfect--if it only had a send or > two more! I'm aware that the insert jacks on channels 1-4 can serve as a > sort of send, but that's not exactly the best solution. Are there any > Mackie experts here who can give me some tips? Any way to make use of the > alt 3/4 bus? I'm looking at the block diagram here, and there's obviously > loads of flexibility, but haven't figured it yet. > I do exactly this with my 1202. I use the 1 and 2 sends and then use the 3/4 bus to send stereo to another effects processor. I then run the output of that processor back into the board, works great. It means that you won't be able to mix a dry sound with the wet through the board, but for what I'm doing that doesn't matter so much. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 29 11:03:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17258; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:03:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:03:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906291454.HAA52568@scv4.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:54:58 -0500 Subject: JamMan FS $400 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OTziq3.0.Hi3.OvDUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From Harmony Central: Lexicon Jamman Asking Price: US$400 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Hi! I've got a Jamman for sale. 8 seconds (not expanded, but you can get the chips almost anywhere). In near mint condition. Works pefectly. Comes with FOOT SWITCH, POWER SUPPLY, BOX, MANUAL, ETC. Sorry, no trades. Thanks. Seller: Mr. Reese, . E-mail: anlar@uaa.alaska.edu (Profile) Post Date: 6/29/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 29 12:16:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31195; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:16:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:16:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37788A85.E71A3146@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:57:44 -0700 From: Paul Ill Reply-To: paulill@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03C-NSCP (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Roland SP-808 References: <4088-3777E239-19966@postoffice-111.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Mvhhm.0.ZG7.n-EUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com JORDAN - i just bought a used sp 808 + i'll keep you posted -peace, paul Jordan Pease wrote: > Does anybody use the Roland SP-88 Groove Sampler for looping ? > > Does it emulate the Lexicon Jamman ? > > What about the Roland MC-303 or MC-505 ? > > Thanks. Jordan Pease From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 29 12:34:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02451; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:34:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199906290801.EAA27836@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:15:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: EDP and EGB Resent-Message-ID: <"roLfT.0.GR7.B2FUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey - Just started reading Escher Godel & Bach - The Eternal Golden Braid, a pulitzer-prize winning book about "strange loops" in art, math and music, and couldn't help but think it might interest people on the list (David Hofstadter is the author). (there's probably a 200-post thread on this that I missed last month, but...) MT PS: perhaps you should add a "going to buy a boomerang if it really takes 3 months to get an EDP" category to the Buy List II. I'm leaning that way... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 29 13:50:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18210; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:50:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:50:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: EDP and EGB Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:44:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"kc8BT.0.F34.JLGUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I would be surprised if it takes less than 6. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Michael Tuminello [mailto:m1cha3l@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 7:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP and EGB Hey - Just started reading Escher Godel & Bach - The Eternal Golden Braid, a pulitzer-prize winning book about "strange loops" in art, math and music, and couldn't help but think it might interest people on the list (David Hofstadter is the author). (there's probably a 200-post thread on this that I missed last month, but...) MT PS: perhaps you should add a "going to buy a boomerang if it really takes 3 months to get an EDP" category to the Buy List II. I'm leaning that way... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 29 14:10:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22498; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:10:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:10:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990629131605.007a2530@netnet.net> X-Sender: eponine@netnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:16:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mike Subject: belew/headrush Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZeoNF2.0.wB5.hgGUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com first off I went to the Belew show in Milwaukee and it lived up to all the reveiws that it has already produced on the list so no reason to rehash. I did want to add though that I gave him a copy of vol.2 hey who knows maybe he'll visit. second is a question for all the present owners of an akai headrush The new AMS catalog says that it has a looping mode that features 11.9 seconds of looping and delay times from 10ms to 5.9 seconds these stat's seem to conflict with what I had initialy heard so I gues I want to know how much loop time is avalible??? Thanks Mike eponine@netet.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 29 14:03:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21133; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:03:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:03:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: 29 Jun 99 13:56:19 -0400 From: "Jonathan Matis" Subject: Maryland or DC area... To: Loopers Delight X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 1.5.4 (Windows32) X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: "Jonathan Matis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Message-Id: <19990629134637.7dec9d23.in@fhserver.freedomhouse.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA19605 Resent-Message-ID: <"BBZIT2.0.jo4.KZGUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello loopers: I've been off the list for a few years, and now have relocated to the Washington DC area. When I used to live in Texas, I met up with a collaborator via this list and we did some good work. Are there any loopers in the DC area looking to collaborate in a live performance improv type group? Please reply to me, not the list. Thanks, Jon Matis email me at: matis@freedomhouse.org or j_matis@yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 29 15:54:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11552; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:54:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:54:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:40:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Lee Fletcher Subject: Another 'Headrush' Review MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 Resent-Message-ID: <"zMiLU3.0.fL2.i9IUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those who may be interested. The latest (August) issue of UK magazine 'Guitarist' features a two page review of Akai's new pedal range. The Headrush scores well (4.5 out of 5) in general terms (build, sound quality, etc.) No mention is made of any audible 'click' when using the loop recorder, however I seriously doubt that the Reviewer checked this function out properly, seeing it as little more than a gimmick! I quote from the article:- "Whether a guitarist would have the courage to use the Loop function live is open to debate... I can't see that it would have much use for replaying vast passages, but for sound effects and the like it could be perfect." !!! Although the Headrush is finally getting some exposure in the UK press, there are still no units available for purchase! I have one on back order with my local store and will post any useful info' to the list when it turns up. Lee Fletcher K. Douglas Baldwin wrote:- >-This is way behind the curve, but I thought you'd all like to know that the >Akai Headrush (and other Akai pedals) will finally be reviewed in "Guitar" >magazine (the U.S. publication formerly known as "Guitar for the Practicing >Musician") by yours truly. There were so many postings about a month ago >(which I have kept for reference) that I'm sure more was covered then than >can fit in a relatively short magazine review. But rest assured it (and the >other pedals, which look very interesting, with lots of "expression" >options) will be put through it's paces by a dedicated loophead. > Any updates on use, problems to look for, etc. will be appreciated. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 29 17:42:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32605; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:42:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:42:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37793ABC.92FA0829@sfsu.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:29:32 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: (CF) checking e-mail addresses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-wBRq1.0.EP7.QjJUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just want to make sure that the following people are getting (CF) mail from me, and that I have their addresses typed in correctly. Rob Switzer Dennis W. Leas Morgan Hamilton Lang Raul Bonell Thomas David Orton If you guys have not been getting mail from me, please let me know at mdavig@sfsu.edu matt davignon From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 29 19:04:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16538; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:04:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:04:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <732a2bbe.24aaa77b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:49:31 EDT Subject: Re: belew/headrush-LOOP TIME To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"_A8kD1.0.ZM3._sKUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/29/99 6:10:40 PM, you wrote: <> If you just want to do a single layered loop then you have 23.8 sec. For a multi layered (infinite number) loop then you have 11.9 sec. In delay mode you have from 0 to 23.8 sec. of delay time with a variable (via knob twiddling) number of fading repeats ("feedback lvl") from 1 to infinite (could be used as a looper by layering delays then turning the "feedback" knob to max. then bypassing the unit via an A/B switch - like using the Jman's delay mode for looping. In "Tape/ echo" mode your max delay time is 5.9 sec. but you have 4 - 5.9 sec delays (emulating 4 tape heads supposedly). I say "supposedly" because I haven't messed with that mode yet. - Paul << http://members.aol.com/pmimlitsch/ >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 29 19:58:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27405; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:58:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:58:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: RE: Mackie experts Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:54:55 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"o_XcF3.0.wT6.JpLUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks to all the kind words about my website. I basically created the 'looping' portion of it to serve as a little tutorial, since I get asked all the time about what I am doing with all the flashing lights when I play. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave   From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 29 21:45:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13218; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:45:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:45:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990629214910.007a57e0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:49:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Headrush Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hZ0_a1.0.W63.MNNUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>second is a question for all the present owners of an akai headrush >>The new AMS catalog says that it has a looping mode that features >>11.9 seconds of looping and delay times from 10ms to 5.9 seconds >>these stat's seem to conflict with what I had initialy heard so I gues I >>want to know how much loop time is avalible??? >> >>Thanks >>Mike >>eponine@netet.net >> >Hi Mike, > >It all depends on the mode you're using. > >In the TAPE ECHO simulation mode, you've got between 10ms and 5.9 sec. with >4 different output jacks so you can bounce your echoes to different amps or >mixer channels/pan positions. > >In the NORMAL DELAY mode, you set your time by tap tempo, max. 23.8 sec. > >In the LOOPING mode, you CAN get a loop 23.8 seconds long, but if you want >to overdub onto it, the max. time is 11.9 secs. A little light comes on at >8.9 seconds to warn you the window of overdub opportunity is about to >close. If you try to overdub onto a loop that's exceeded 11.9 sec, nothing >happens... > >Check out Alan Imberg's review on the LD site; it's very comprehensive. > >Tim > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 29 23:33:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29737; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:33:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:33:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199906300327.XAA02146@smtp1.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:34:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Feed the Silence From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AllNB2.0.d17.lwOUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com congrats my friend ---------- >From: Adam Levin >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Feed the Silence >Date: Tue, Jun 29, 1999, 11:18 PM > >The following review is from pages 96-97 of the latest issue (#31) of >Progression Magazine - available at your local Tower music store news >stand: > >The Dark Aether Project: Feed The Silence (CD, 51:57); Dark Aether DAP2. > >It took about eight minutes before I was convinced that Dark Aether >Project was onto something with their second disc, but convinced I >remained. They open with what sounds like a sample from an old atomic-bomb >scare documentary, out of which comes a heavy wave of wind. A Floyd-ish >keyboard figure emerges, then leaves as, even more in the Pink, guitarists >Adam Levin and Yaman Aksu play a wonderfully spacey duet, one flanged, the >other more pointed, sustained. Aksu switches to Hammond organ, Brian >Griffin kicks in with nicely restrained drumming, and by this time I'm >blown away. This is - forgive my colloquialism - some serious shit. > >"Nightmare" has Levin dragging a Warr 8 String Touch Guitar loop across a >"Not Fade Away" riff variant, in a lumbering dance groove that supports >strong melodies, and a compelling vocal line sung by Ray Weston, ex of >Echolyn. "Stages" cites _Three of a Perfect Pair_-era Crimson, but takes >the influence into some interestingly different areas over its near >nine-minute length. The band's ability to balance written material with >kick-ass jamming fervor is very apparent in this piece. Warr loops are >back on "Building the Worm" as Levin provides some beautiful space for he >and fellow Warr Touch player Markus Reuter to land on, circle each other >in a pas-de-deux of wild serenity, and end with a touch that'll take your >breath away. > >Convinced yet? Weston's voice gets a marvelous showcase on the title >track, with imaginitive vocal writing, and some hair-raising, Jim >Morrison-like screams. _Feed the Silence_ also shows the band to be very >adept at developing long-form compositions, with a harmonic >distinctiveness and sensitivity to mood that recalls the late-1960s West >Coast band Love. > >A nine-minute, live bonus-track, "Out of the Dark/Dark Aether" (I love a >band with a theme song) opens in outer space, wah-wah'd, fuzzed out, and >all but strained through a Leslie. Around three and a half minutes, >there's a tantalizing hint of a move into tempo, but drummer Brian Griffin >delays gratification for a while, finally ushering in a huge bass figure >around which the loops bob and weave. The performance ends just as it >began, Aksu and Levin sparring, circling, throwing flames of electricity >at each other. The tune also shows that these guys can reproduce their >studio genius with satisfying accuracy onstage. > >Dark Aether Project hits a lot of progressive rock pleasure points with >_Feed the Silence_, but make no mistake: this is not another derivative >band with little new to say. They are there, Bud, and this is an >absolutely fabulous album. Go for it. - Larry Nai >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >"Feed The Silence" as well as The Dark Aether Project's self-titled debut >are available from purveyors of fine music such as The Artist Shop, The >Laser's Edge, New Sonic Architecture, Of Sound Mind, Syn-Phonic, >Wayside/Cuneiform and ZNR Records. > >For distributor contacts, sound samples, full concert schedule, venue >directions and more info, visit http://www.DarkAether.Net/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 29 23:24:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28556; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:24:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:24:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:18:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Feed the Silence Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"37Qte2.0.vm6.soOUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The following review is from pages 96-97 of the latest issue (#31) of Progression Magazine - available at your local Tower music store news stand: The Dark Aether Project: Feed The Silence (CD, 51:57); Dark Aether DAP2. It took about eight minutes before I was convinced that Dark Aether Project was onto something with their second disc, but convinced I remained. They open with what sounds like a sample from an old atomic-bomb scare documentary, out of which comes a heavy wave of wind. A Floyd-ish keyboard figure emerges, then leaves as, even more in the Pink, guitarists Adam Levin and Yaman Aksu play a wonderfully spacey duet, one flanged, the other more pointed, sustained. Aksu switches to Hammond organ, Brian Griffin kicks in with nicely restrained drumming, and by this time I'm blown away. This is - forgive my colloquialism - some serious shit. "Nightmare" has Levin dragging a Warr 8 String Touch Guitar loop across a "Not Fade Away" riff variant, in a lumbering dance groove that supports strong melodies, and a compelling vocal line sung by Ray Weston, ex of Echolyn. "Stages" cites _Three of a Perfect Pair_-era Crimson, but takes the influence into some interestingly different areas over its near nine-minute length. The band's ability to balance written material with kick-ass jamming fervor is very apparent in this piece. Warr loops are back on "Building the Worm" as Levin provides some beautiful space for he and fellow Warr Touch player Markus Reuter to land on, circle each other in a pas-de-deux of wild serenity, and end with a touch that'll take your breath away. Convinced yet? Weston's voice gets a marvelous showcase on the title track, with imaginitive vocal writing, and some hair-raising, Jim Morrison-like screams. _Feed the Silence_ also shows the band to be very adept at developing long-form compositions, with a harmonic distinctiveness and sensitivity to mood that recalls the late-1960s West Coast band Love. A nine-minute, live bonus-track, "Out of the Dark/Dark Aether" (I love a band with a theme song) opens in outer space, wah-wah'd, fuzzed out, and all but strained through a Leslie. Around three and a half minutes, there's a tantalizing hint of a move into tempo, but drummer Brian Griffin delays gratification for a while, finally ushering in a huge bass figure around which the loops bob and weave. The performance ends just as it began, Aksu and Levin sparring, circling, throwing flames of electricity at each other. The tune also shows that these guys can reproduce their studio genius with satisfying accuracy onstage. Dark Aether Project hits a lot of progressive rock pleasure points with _Feed the Silence_, but make no mistake: this is not another derivative band with little new to say. They are there, Bud, and this is an absolutely fabulous album. Go for it. - Larry Nai --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Feed The Silence" as well as The Dark Aether Project's self-titled debut are available from purveyors of fine music such as The Artist Shop, The Laser's Edge, New Sonic Architecture, Of Sound Mind, Syn-Phonic, Wayside/Cuneiform and ZNR Records. For distributor contacts, sound samples, full concert schedule, venue directions and more info, visit http://www.DarkAether.Net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 02:09:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22907; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 02:09:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 02:09:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001901bec2bd$8cff4660$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <199906300327.XAA02146@smtp1.mindspring.com> Subject: Boomerang MIDI Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:58:16 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"xlHf12.0.K95.O6RUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am new to this group so please forgive if this has already been brought up as a thread. Would anyone else out there like to see the next model of the BOOMERANG support MIDI? Perhaps if people showed enough interest, Mike Nelson/Boomerang Musical Products might look into it. Feedback please! Thanks much, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 02:09:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22904; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 02:09:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 02:09:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3779AE2F.92A607FE@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 06:42:07 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:AudioMulch live References: <199906290706.DAA21236@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EJriT3.0.0h4.SuQUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > latency is about 30 ms on my MOTU2408... pretty good I think... > > how do you use it for live playing? which instruments going in Audiomulch? > Are you using a laptop? which model and soundcard? > tell us more about your live set... and if Audiomulch is stable enough for stage playing! > Xverb? can you say more about this plug ins? where did you find it? > > I use my new Yamaha RM1x (hardware sequencer with 16 assignable knobs) as > MIDI controller. > The knobs switch sampler functions, speed and direction. In my last > Audiomulch setup I'm using up to 4 minisamplers at the time, in various > serial/parallel configurations. Initially I've used the Northpole but now > I've added the Waldorf plug in as main filter thing. the filter is better > IMO (no distortion even at higher settings). The MOTU 2408 is excellent. That allows you to use auxilliaries on AudioMulch - lucky man. I use a very old Turtle Beach tahiti card which is quite clean but has developed a DC offset over the last year. Turtle Beach don't seem interested in telling me how to cure it or even if it's possible. Still for live its ok. In the studio I use digital only. I plug my Strat and an old hawaian guitar which my wife bought me for 30 quid from a secondhand shop. It has a bass e string and some rubber mutes attatched. I play it with a violin bow and an Ebow. It's my own idea and sounds quite unlike a guitar - especially after its been through AM! I'm very influenced by Indian, and Middle Eastern music as well as North African stuff and my live set is the bastard son of impressionistic, electronically processed extended guitar and the above Ethnic influences - not bad for a Welshman eh :) This RMX thing sounds cool. I take it you're firing samples/ keyboard stuff?? I notice Doepfer have brought a unit out with 64 assignable midi control knobs which sounds interesting. I'm running out of foot controllers since I can't really take my hands off the guitar during performance. I'm thinking of running a sequencer program alongside AM so that I can generate a MIDI data track which changes various things automatically during the piece. The sequencer I normally use is VST but this is very resource hungry and probably overkill for this application. I don't suppose anyone knows of a simple sequencer capable of recording a few tracks of controller data, preferably with the ability to trigger individual sequences spontaneously? :) I might check out some of these algorithmic utilities that you see dotted around the net. I use a standard desktop PC for live work. I don't mind living dangerously and, (so far) no problems at all. Incidenatally you can get Xverb, (free) from the URL I posted a week or so back. Sorry for the long email. If others find this irrelevant then I'll email you privately. Hwyl, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 02:30:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26212; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 02:30:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 02:30:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 02:26:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199906300226.AA792723978@iggle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "illumnus" Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Intro, new to list X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"ImQAj.0.qG6.-YRUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hiya list. I'm new here. I'm sortof new to electronic music (the compositional side at least), and one of my main reasons for being here is to get feedback about my work from peers as well as advice on getting my stuff heard. My project is entitled 'ELOMD' which is hopefully not too incomprehensible to anyone with a smidgen of musical breadth. heh. The tracks range from bouncy old-school sounding techno to semi-industrial noises. I may not be able to follow your more technical advice, as i'm using fairly radical and simplistic modes to create. I don't play a single instrument, just use my PC to loop samples which tickle my whimsy. I occasionally make a sample when i need it, but that's all. So when you talk about hooking a Roland RXVSI17-R with wa-wa vocoder through the Ensonic freem twaddler, i get a bit confused. Also, I don't know any real DJ's and nobody even has the common courtesy to tell me when raves happen, so i miss them all, what with most of them being raided like clockwork from what i hear anyway. My influences are varied, most of them not even being techno: classic rock (primarily the Beatles, Jethro Tull, Zeppelin, Hendrix, the Doors, the Dead, Steely Dan, Santana, etc.), DEVO, They Might Be Giants, Servotron, lots of random electronica (Art of Noise, Orb, Orbital, Rabbit on the Moon, Alpha Team, DJ Keoki, and all the ones that actually make the radio), and unconsciously, i'm sure i'm influenced by 80's pop music (gad) and 70's AM radio crap. I'm still putting the band website together, but it'll come. You can always visit my philosophical front at www.iggle.com if you want to delve. that's all i can think of to say. illumnus froon from ELOMD illumnus@iggle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 07:58:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02238; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:58:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:58:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Bizurko@aol.com Message-ID: <6b66fef1.24ab5ef1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:52:17 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 24 Resent-Message-ID: <"sEfhv1.0.5O.fKWUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes--That's my #1 beef about the 'Rang--lack of MIDI ability. I want to be able to sync it to my Jam MAn and/or my EDP and/or any MIDI clock source. Please do it, Mr. Mike Nelson!!! Thanks, David Burk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 07:58:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02237; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:58:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:58:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:54:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.dyn.ml.org To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI In-Reply-To: <001901bec2bd$8cff4660$02585858@timspc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Hc6yE.0.6M.AJWUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, american qabalah wrote: > > Would anyone else out there like to see the next model of the BOOMERANG > support MIDI? Perhaps if people showed enough interest, Mike Nelson/Boomerang > Musical Products might look into it. Feedback please! > > Thanks much, > Tim Personally, I'd hate to see the 'Rang's beautifully simply interface cluttered w/ "feature creep". I don't use MIDI so I would soon enough not see it added. Now, that's not to say there aren't things I'd like to see done to improve the 'Rang. Three examples: 1) Being able to record a new loop while the current loop is still playing, i.e. playing loop doesn't cut off when you hit record. 2) Being able to store and use several loops. Three or four would be plenty. 3) Being able to change the speed while a loop is playing. Currently you have to hit Stop->Speed->Play. I think those three things would add much more to the unit than the ability to trigger it through MIDI. My personal opinion, of course. :) --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 09:23:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14883; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:23:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:23:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001901bec2fa$c4fa40a0$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:16:29 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"TJnIk.0.0F3.BXXUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The addition of MIDI enablement would not have to make it more complex, though - the only necessary visible addition to the Boomerang would be two small sockets at the back. If you didn't use MIDI (and therefore were looking for the ports) you probably wouldn't even know the unit was different. Cheers Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Pafford To: Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 6:54 AM Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI > On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, american qabalah wrote: > > > > Would anyone else out there like to see the next model of the BOOMERANG > > support MIDI? Perhaps if people showed enough interest, Mike Nelson/Boomerang > > Musical Products might look into it. Feedback please! > > > > Thanks much, > > Tim > > > Personally, I'd hate to see the 'Rang's beautifully simply interface > cluttered w/ "feature creep". I don't use MIDI so I would soon enough > not see it added. > > Now, that's not to say there aren't things I'd like to see done to improve > the 'Rang. Three examples: > 1) Being able to record a new loop while the current loop is still > playing, i.e. playing loop doesn't cut off when you hit record. > 2) Being able to store and use several loops. Three or four would be > plenty. > 3) Being able to change the speed while a loop is playing. Currently you > have to hit Stop->Speed->Play. > > I think those three things would add much more to the unit than the > ability to trigger it through MIDI. My personal opinion, of course. :) > > > --- > "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear > to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake > > Todd Pafford galen@erols.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 09:48:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19189; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:48:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <2dc3479d.24ab77a8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:37:44 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"phj4f1.0.lJ4.ltXUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/30/99 3:32:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, american@qabalah.com writes: << >> Have to concur with you on that one. It would also be nice if it were able to handle multiple separate loops, so that once the MIDI was a new control surface you'd be able to trigger and possibly trigger the other loops via a MIDI signal. It would also make things easier as far as sending information to record, play (at different speeds) for one loop vs. another. Lastly, it would also be cool to have the device able to fade a loop out, vs. other loops that are being played. Lastly, t'would be super nice to see it move from 30pin SIMMs, to either 72-pin SIMMs or the 168's SDRAM, as memory is dirt cheap these days, and the 30-pins are so much slower, ... but then again, it's still viable to use them as they are still available. Since Chuck Levin's started carrying the Boomerang, and they have been out of the Echoplex for so long, it seems like this would be the best alternative out there for me at this point. Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 10:31:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27491; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:31:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:31:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:10:09 -0400 To: David Kirkdorffer From: Michael Tuminello Subject: RE: EDP vs boomerang Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"yopFS2.0.Zb5.HJYUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The main thing that makes the EDP significantly more attractive to me is the ability to have more than one loop stored at a time. Since I'm looking at it as largely a writing tool (I'm a singer originally, with expanding, but still limited guitar capabilities), it would be really handy for me to be able to hear a particular guitar part as many times as I like and have the freedom to play with different melodies without having to keep up the rhythm. I could also grab something my bass player comes up with, file it in memory, and play with it later. As I understand it,the boomerang is one loop in the machine at a time only. Midi sync is interesting to me as well, but the multi-loop function is the most important. Nevertheless, if the delays really are as bad as they seem, I will probably break down eventually and see what can be done with the boomerang. Thanks a lot for the feedback. Michael PS: If you know any other toys with multi-loop capabilities, I'd be interested... >I think the boomerang probably would satisfy many people on many fronts. >I've not used one, buty have friends who do. They seem pretty satisfied >with it. And integrate it into their rock songs. > >I think the EDP is unique if you want midi-control of events, which is >pretty prowerful for some. > >Having said that, I don't use the midi at all, but have 198 seconds of loop >time, which is pretty outrageous. The breadth of features is pretty >spectacular. But, like amny I'm sure, I tend to use maybe 20% of them. > >Anyway, that't my 2 cents. > >dk > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 11:43:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08818; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:43:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:43:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377A461E.E0111271@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:30:27 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: AudioMulch live (VST?) References: <199906290706.DAA21236@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3779AE2F.92A607FE@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b6rxg3.0.iS1.eUZUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, I'm going to bare my ignorance and ask: What is VST, and is it available for the Mac OS? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 12:23:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16516; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:23:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:23:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4e21b88d.24ab9c83@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:14:59 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"mM2Su3.0.di3._AaUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/30/99 10:58:13 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, galen@erols.com writes: << 1) Being able to record a new loop while the current loop is still playing, i.e. playing loop doesn't cut off when you hit record. >> isnt that what the "stack" button does.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 12:34:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19158; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:34:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:34:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377A3735.689C34E8@iamerica.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:26:45 -0500 From: Micah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8QNqR3.0.Rj1.AaZUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Three examples: > 1) Being able to record a new loop while the current loop is still > playing, i.e. playing loop doesn't cut off when you hit record. > 2) Being able to store and use several loops. Three or four would be > plenty. > 3) Being able to change the speed while a loop is playing. Currently you > have to hit Stop->Speed->Play. I would add that I wish the overdub function used a latching type footswitch as opposed to the momentary switch so that you could have a free foot to play with other pedals while you overdubbed. I would agree that part of what's cool about the Boomerang is its simplicity. Adding lots of MIDI functions would also bump up the Boomerang's price, taking away one of the other things that's pretty cool about it...it's not too terribly expensive. Hmmmm maybe there's room for a couple of different Boomerang models. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 12:25:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17197; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:25:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:25:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990630153216.41017.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:32:15 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"lgcTH.0.6g1.jYZUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > Cutting the power to my amp would not turn of my GR > > >300, my Dimension 12, my GP8, my DIGITEC 2 second delay, > >Hence the power to your amp could be cut off (=no sound)without losing the >loop. > >That's why I think your experience probably has a rational and mundane >explanation. > >....................but >Like you , I prefer the more interesting and inspiring version. >I apologise for trying to make humour at your expense > >Andy Butler Andy. What part of ALL of my equipment shut off isn't clear? I didn't start playing music last month. I'm not 15. I know my gear. I've had equipment meltdowns live before. this WAS different. It wasn't just my amp that shut off. EVERYTHING did. My GR 300 stopped blinking its pretty little red lights at me. My Digitech went from pretty red indicators too darkness. My GP8 pedal board went black. No green or red numbers...My Dimension 12 no longer said "12" on the indicator, and its pretty lights went off. The SE 70 was no longer lit up. The GP 8 went black... The only light that I couldn't see whether or not was off WAS my amp. For all I know it may have still been on. I personally would rather have a rational explaination, since then I wouldn't have to consider the alternate. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 12:47:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22266; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:47:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:47:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:20:33 EDT Subject: Re: EDP vs boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"8PEwh2.0.Tx3.zFaUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/30/99 1:31:49 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, m1cha3l@earthlink.net writes: << As I understand it,the boomerang is one loop in the machine at a time only. >> you can have multiple loops in the rang.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 12:54:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23880; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:54:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:54:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d101bec317$3a9bb660$472a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Michael Tuminello" , Subject: Godel, Escher, Bach and Headrush Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:16:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"tyh--2.0.u45.BYaUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter is profound, and should be required reading for serious loopers. It has it's hard-to-grasp parts, and as often as not you'll read with pencil and paper in hand to either try one of the problems presented or look up a book referenced therein, but what a wonderful ride! I've become an amateur math addict from that book, and I write strict canons (looping melodies) for my guitar students partly from it's concepts. By the way, I also picked up "The Mysticism of Sound and Music" by Hazrat Inayat Khan on the advice of fellow loopers recently. Excellent so far. For those seeking practical applications of musical instruction in everyday life, try "The Listening Book" by W.A. Mathieu. I began testing the Akai pedals last night, including the Headrush. A thoroughly wack batch of boxes! Immediate impression: Phaser is cool, Wah is too complicated with too few colors for most folks, Distortion has excellent vol/drive pedal but 12AX7 tube and diode distortions are too much alike (imagine that!), and the lovely Headrush is definitely a max-bang-per-buck pedal if you're willing to hang with it and grok it's arcane switching ill-logic and poorly translated instructions. More news at it break-dances. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 13:49:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02489; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:49:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:49:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00d101bec317$3a9bb660$472a10ac@Douglas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:42:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Godel, Escher, Bach and Headrush Resent-Message-ID: <"Ljr98.0.FC.aRbUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:16 AM -0700 6/30/99, K. Douglas Baldwin wrote: >"Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter is profound, and should be >required reading for serious loopers. It has it's hard-to-grasp parts, and >as often as not you'll read with pencil and paper in hand to either try one >of the problems presented or look up a book referenced therein, but what a >wonderful ride! I've become an amateur math addict from that book, and I >write strict canons (looping melodies) for my guitar students partly from >it's concepts. > By the way, I also picked up "The Mysticism of Sound and Music" by >Hazrat Inayat Khan on the advice of fellow loopers recently. Excellent so >far. For those seeking practical applications of musical instruction in >everyday life, try "The Listening Book" by W.A. Mathieu. people recommend books sometimes on the list, would anybody think it useful to have some sort of "recommended reading" page on the LD website? (and would anybody be interested in putting it together?) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 13:59:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04466; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:59:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:59:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:53:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP vs boomerang Resent-Message-ID: <"LgmW4.0.jp.4cbUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:20 AM -0700 6/30/99, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 6/30/99 1:31:49 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, >m1cha3l@earthlink.net writes: > ><< As I understand it,the boomerang is one > loop in the machine at a time only. >> > >you can have multiple loops in the rang.....michael Are you confusing "multiple loops" with the "stacking" function for overdubs? They are completely different functions..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 14:12:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07569; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:12:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:12:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377A5C59.F84@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:07:27 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: EDP vs boomerang Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"slEda.0.nR1.wnbUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The main thing that makes the EDP significantly more attractive to me is > the ability to have more than one loop stored at a time. Since I'm looking > at it as largely a writing tool (I'm a singer originally, with expanding, > but still limited guitar capabilities), it would be really handy for me to > be able to hear a particular guitar part as many times as I like and have > the freedom to play with different melodies without having to keep up the > rhythm. I could also grab something my bass player comes up with, file it > in memory, and play with it later. As I understand it,the boomerang is one > loop in the machine at a time only. Midi sync is interesting to me as > well, but the multi-loop function is the most important. > > Nevertheless, if the delays really are as bad as they seem, I will probably > break down eventually and see what can be done with the boomerang. > > Thanks a lot for the feedback. > > Michael > > PS: If you know any other toys with multi-loop capabilities, I'd be > interested... > Yes DJRND2 : 14 separate and simultaneous stereo loops spread in a 16 megabyte memory. Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 14:16:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08639; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:16:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:16:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990630180853.46683.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.0.172] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:08:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"_8oG12.0.kf1.YrbUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Maybe it was all the camomile tea I drank over the course of the evening. >From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:28:23 -0700 (PDT) > >93 > >---ld thomson wrote: > You can not shut it > > ALL off and then turn it all back on > > and not lose the loop. This is why I'm bothered by >what happened. > > No coincdence Andy. I was there, and I've tried to >duplicate it by killing > > my powerbar mid-loop. the result. I lost >everything and the > > effects units reset themselves. They didn't return >to the patch they were > > on before they were shut off. > >Actually, I've had a power flucuation that dumped all >the lights off on my rack, but did not lose the loop >or settings on the pedals. I can only speculate that >that what was experienced was NOT a "black-out", but >more like a "brown-out". > >93 >Rev. Doubt-Goat >=== > The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat > > The Darsan Trio > Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. > Lion & Serpent > > http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 14:40:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13854; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:40:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:40:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:19:44 EDT Subject: Re: EDP vs boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"LBNTD.0.VN2.__bUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/30/99 4:59:11 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << Are you confusing "multiple loops" with the "stacking" function for overdubs? They are completely different functions..... >> sorry, did not want to muddy the waters.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 14:39:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13585; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:39:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:39:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990630181818.21043.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:18:18 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"O_Qen.0.gE2.N-bUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Power Dip or Surge? Its possible of course. Didn't seem like one. I've had those at home and it always resetting the frickin GP 8 when it happens. Then who knows. Maybe it was an acid flashback. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 14:40:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13809; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:40:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:40:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990630181839.24067.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:18:39 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"HYXb03.0.rG2.j-bUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Power Dip or Surge? Its possible of course. Didn't seem like one. I've had those at home and it always resets the frickin GP 8 when it happens. Then who knows. Maybe it was an acid flashback. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 14:51:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16459; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:51:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:51:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001901bec2fa$c4fa40a0$02585858@timspc> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:43:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI Resent-Message-ID: <"a3u2i.0.bU3.YKcUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 6:16 AM -0700 6/30/99, american qabalah wrote: >The addition of MIDI enablement would not have to make it more complex, >though - the only necessary visible addition to the Boomerang would be two >small sockets at the back. If you didn't use MIDI (and therefore were looking >for the ports) you probably wouldn't even know the unit was different. > >Cheers >Tim Well, just for a basic midi feature set you need a way to set midi channel, set midisync to transmit/receive/off, set cont controller numbers, etc. So there is some kind of interface necessary for that, and the thing necessarily becomes more complex. You can't get it both ways... The cost is certainly higher too, since you have to add a bunch of parts and spend a lot of time writing software. Take it from somebody who knows, adding midi to a looper is a BIG can of worms....:-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 14:45:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15178; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:45:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:45:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990630182707.40380.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:27:07 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"iEMns.0.kB3.cFcUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: "Travis Hartnett" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: SOUNDSCAPE SUCCESS AND NO SCRABBLE RABBLE >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:57:56 -0500 > >We perceive our perceptions. >Why obsess over this? >Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. Maybe it lasted a while, maybe it was >really quick. Time is funny when you're on stage. > and time is REALLY funny when you're looping. Or so I'm beginning to believe. What is funny is how those loopers who usually just write about which gizmo to use, not use or how to use to loop all say "power loss, brown out" and those of us space cadets who are into the mystical nonsense all go "cool man, it was a worm hole created by the grooviness of the moment". Yikes. I'm betting it was THE JINN up to their old tricks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 15:09:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20436; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:09:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:09:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990630185945.90156.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.34.202.2] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RETRACTION STATEMENT Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:59:45 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"NCi8U1.0.EX4.DbcUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It was reported that on Wednesday June 23, 1999 at aprox. 11:15 pm I lost all power to my electronics as I was soundscaping at the Grape Fruit Moon cafe in front of 20 or so people. The loss which was estimated between 3 and 60 seconds, occured then the soundscaping continued. It has now been made clear that to me by sources I can not name that this occurrence did not actually occur at all. In fact the whole phenomenon was merely a tempature inversion which caused swamp gas to bounce off the debris from a weather balloon. The resulting atmospheric turbulence simultaneously caused the GFM ceiling fan to speed up from its 1 rotation a moment speed to 1.5 rotations a moment thus over taxing the Ontario Hydro power grid and causing what is know to the lay-person as a "brown out". This "brown out" effected only the equipment in question and as the swamp gas settled on the Grape Fruit Moon itself the "illusion" of the soundscape stopping occurred. I would like to clear the air on this issue and hope that the 33rd degree freemasons who get really upset when I mess with the space/time continuum by soundscaping will accept this explanation for the event in question that never happened. Sorry for mentioning it. Lorne Thomson Toronto, Canada ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 16:17:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01926; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:17:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:17:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:06:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Roland SP-808 In-Reply-To: <4088-3777E239-19966@postoffice-111.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"N8RMW1.0.Js7.yZdUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The sp808 is essentially a nifty sampler/sequencer. Sound quality is about minidisk. Cool sound effects, esp. the IR beam controller. Totally different purpose than the jamman. Think of the Jamman/Echoplex as delay based/loop effects, think of the sp808 and 505 as sample/beat loopers. On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Jordan Pease wrote: > Does anybody use the Roland SP-88 Groove Sampler for looping ? > > Does it emulate the Lexicon Jamman ? > > What about the Roland MC-303 or MC-505 ? > > Thanks. Jordan Pease > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 16:14:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01139; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:14:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:14:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377A799C.38484B6C@magelang.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:10:04 -0600 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Godel, Escher, Bach and Headrush References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7Dskd3.0.Zr7.qZdUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's a great idea. I think you can even set up a referral deal w/ amazon.com. I'd offer to do it, but I still haven't gotten my Kyma-looper-info doc done. Jim Kim Flint wrote: > > At 9:16 AM -0700 6/30/99, K. Douglas Baldwin wrote: > >"Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter is profound, and should be > >required reading for serious loopers. It has it's hard-to-grasp parts, and > >as often as not you'll read with pencil and paper in hand to either try one > >of the problems presented or look up a book referenced therein, but what a > >wonderful ride! I've become an amateur math addict from that book, and I > >write strict canons (looping melodies) for my guitar students partly from > >it's concepts. > > By the way, I also picked up "The Mysticism of Sound and Music" by > >Hazrat Inayat Khan on the advice of fellow loopers recently. Excellent so > >far. For those seeking practical applications of musical instruction in > >everyday life, try "The Listening Book" by W.A. Mathieu. > > people recommend books sometimes on the list, would anybody think it useful > to have some sort of "recommended reading" page on the LD website? (and > would anybody be interested in putting it together?) > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 16:47:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08813; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:47:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:47:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001501bec338$e43de8c0$1222dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <19990630185945.90156.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: "Electronic Disturbances" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:41:11 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"kAhcm3.0.Du1.z3eUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is it entirely possible that sometimes these things might occur as a result of other-than-scientifically-quantifiable causes? I've not had difficulties in the Los Angeles area, other than the crappy wiring that someone paid someone to get to pass legal spec... and then again, most spots in the LA area are quite new, and not necessarily subject to hauntings... Anyone? I can definately state that, one night, while producing a loop from vocals and guitar, it began to sound like - if you can believe this - More than just the loop and its effects. It became impossible to tell the beginning/end of loop, especially because of things sounding like voices that didn't repeat... There were two other witnesses to this, and I was so disturbed by the thing that I powered down the Time Machine unit completely, to flush the buffers. REAL creepy. Stephen Goodman * It's the Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 18:10:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24275; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:10:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:10:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377A92F8.FF53344E@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:58:16 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Non Loop Related Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vsiro.0.XJ5.aBfUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, Just saw a Roland GR700 guitar synth for sale and wanted to see if anyone on the list has an opinion on this unit- I have read that the earlier units tracked better but the sounds were not as good- the price seems reasonable for the whole setup- but I want to look into it first- If anyone wishes to respond please e-mail me off list as it has little to do with standard list topics- Thanks- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 18:54:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32521; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:54:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:54:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:53:16 -0400 To: PERILLE , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: other multiple loop machines..(was EDP vs. Boomerang) Resent-Message-ID: <"ASUIM3.0.Bi7.7yfUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> PS: If you know any other toys with multi-loop capabilities, I'd be >> interested... >> > >Yes > >DJRND2 : 14 separate and simultaneous stereo loops spread in a 16 >megabyte memory. > >Emmanuel What is this? How do I find out more? Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 20:45:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17876; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:45:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:45:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004c01bec357$db010200$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:22:50 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"HUt1x.0.eN3.wHhUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, that really sucks! Thanks for the input, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI > Well, just for a basic midi feature set you need a way to set midi channel, > set midisync to transmit/receive/off, set cont controller numbers, etc. So > there is some kind of interface necessary for that, and the thing > necessarily becomes more complex. You can't get it both ways... The cost is > certainly higher too, since you have to add a bunch of parts and spend a > lot of time writing software. > > Take it from somebody who knows, adding midi to a looper is a BIG can of > worms....:-) > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 20:47:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18401; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:47:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:34:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.dyn.ml.org To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI In-Reply-To: <4e21b88d.24ab9c83@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"tHi4x.0.Bo3.BRhUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/30/99 10:58:13 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, > galen@erols.com writes: > > << 1) Being able to record a new loop while the current loop is still > playing, i.e. playing loop doesn't cut off when you hit record. >> > > isnt that what the "stack" button does.......michael > Not quite, though I may have worded it vaguely. The stack button will layer on top of your loop. What I'm talking about is the ability to do something like the following: 1. record loop A and set it spinning 2. stack, play over, generally use loop A however you normally would 3. hit the 'through mute' button, hit the record button and record what we'll call loop B while your loop A is still playing. 4. finish recording loop B by pressing the record/play button again and viola there's your loop B spinning away with loop A having been discarded for simplicity's sake (or saved if we're also adding multi loop capability) 5. rinse & repeat & repeat &... :) --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 20:33:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15825; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:33:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:33:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:26:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.dyn.ml.org To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI In-Reply-To: <001901bec2fa$c4fa40a0$02585858@timspc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"LxRNm1.0.SR3.nJhUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, american qabalah wrote: > The addition of MIDI enablement would not have to make it more complex, > though - the only necessary visible addition to the Boomerang would be two > small sockets at the back. If you didn't use MIDI (and therefore were looking > for the ports) you probably wouldn't even know the unit was different. > > Cheers > Tim True, but I'd be paying for it, that's for sure, and I'd rather pay for features I'm going to use. :) --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 21:24:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24938; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:24:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:24:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004d01bec35e$c8c74fc0$3363aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990629131605.007a2530@netnet.net> Subject: Re: belew/headrush Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:12:22 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"N6siU.0.fl5.o4iUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The 11.9 sec. is for "over-dubbable" looping. You can go as long as 23.8 with one single loop. In the normal delay mode, you can achieve 23.8 seconds tap delay time. > first off I went to the Belew show in Milwaukee and it lived up to all the > reveiws that it has already produced on the list so no reason to rehash. I > did want to add though that I gave him a copy of vol.2 hey who knows maybe > he'll visit. > > second is a question for all the present owners of an akai headrush > The new AMS catalog says that it has a looping mode that features > 11.9 seconds of looping and delay times from 10ms to 5.9 seconds > these stat's seem to conflict with what I had initialy heard so I gues I > want to know how much loop time is avalible??? > > Thanks > Mike > eponine@netet.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 22:48:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08080; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:48:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:48:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <82c0d202.24ac2e8c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:38:04 EDT Subject: Re: Godel, Escher, Bach and Headrush To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"33-St1.0.TY1.FJjUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Good idea, Kim (picture me as the young Inuit hunter with the shiny silver tooth in the movie, "Never Cry Wolf"). GEB is a wonderful book--in part, responsible for what I'm doing today, musically and career-wise (sic). Another story for another time. About the same time, mid-to-late 70's, found an extremely enlightening (and more spiritual) book that I think is a good companion to GEB, "The Tao of Physics" by Fritjof Capra. my two centavos, Bill "hawkeye" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 22:56:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09548; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:56:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:56:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:46:29 EDT Subject: Re: Non Loop Related To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"-hvmM1.0.1w1.qQjUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I had a GR700 with GK1 pickup for about a month. (bought it cheap at a guitar show) I thought it tracked horribly compared to a GR1 with GK2 pickup. Got rid of it as soon as I could. Bill