From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 1 04:44:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA08212; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 04:44:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 04:44:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36DA5C0F.5A3254C1@sfsu.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 01:21:19 -0800 From: Matthew Pee Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: looping show in san diego Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dx9E_.0._Z1.Lqbss"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey everybody I'm going to be doing a show in San Diego near the end of march. I'll be using a CD player, a record player and 2 DOD looping squashboxes. I'll be opening for a friend of mine who's a local musician down there (Rafter). It's in the process of being arranged right now, and I'll let you guys know when I have more details. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 1 16:24:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA28696; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:43:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:43:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:35:47 -0500 (EST) From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199902261835.NAA09099@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"1Hmwq2.0.vh6.zckrs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #103 February 25, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on early synth master, Larry Fast and his Synergy releases. For background information, please point your web browser to the WDIY web site or visit the... Synergy web site: http://www.eclipse.net/~synergy See also the NEARFest site: http://ghostland.com/nearfest The feature CD at midnight was "Audion" on Third Contact. Upcoming events announced: Star's End Gathering XVI (Ma Ja Le and Jeff Pearce) and XVII (Richard Pinhas), Arttek at Second Avenue, and NEARfest. I played the music of Ma Ja Le and Jeff Pearce to promote their upcoming appearances at SEG XVI. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Ma Ja Le & Vir Unis Passionate Lava Imaginarium (Mirage) Jeff Pearce North Refuge Vestiges (Jeff Pearce Music) RAMP Sacrilege at Noon Unreleased CDR (none) Fountainhead Cloud Cover Cloud Cover (Aucourant) VA [N. Kreisberg] Tiny Circus Eclectronica (The Foundry) Laocoon Transcendence Immersion (Parnassus Nump) 12:00 am Synergy (Larry Fast) S-scape Sequencer (Third Contact) Synergy (Larry Fast) Chateau Sequencer (Third Contact) Synergy (Larry Fast) Cybersports Sequencer (Third Contact) Synergy (Larry Fast) Classical Gas Sequencer (Third Contact) Synergy (Larry Fast) Largo fr Dvorak Sym#9 Sequencer (Third Contact) Synergy (Larry Fast) Icarus Sequencer (Third Contact) Synergy (Larry Fast) Sequence 14 Sequencer (Third Contact) Klause Schulze Stardancer II The Essential (Caroline) VA [Andy Pickford] 4QNRX Is Anybody Out There? (Champagne Lake, SMD, AD Music) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will start a month-long focus on the artists who will be performing at the upcoming sixth Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival in Huizen, the Netherlands. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be the debut, self-titled release from Red Shift on the Champagne Lake label. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 2 00:14:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA20319; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:14:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:14:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36DB7041.7CAB61B1@stic.net> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:59:46 -0600 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: what were those pedals? References: <000001be6257$4a7263c0$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AHXFu3.0.M94.4xsss"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Douglas Lawrence wrote: > Rodrigo- > > Well, as for the last one, I think your we're looking for the new Akai E1 > Headrush Tap Delay/Tape Echo Simulator/Looping Recorder. It's a 16-bit > digital delay with up to 28 sec. For more information, checkout ... > > http://www.akai.com/akaipro/namm99.html > > I think Musician's Friend is selling them for $199.00, but I don't know if > they actually have them in stock. > > Don't forget that you can always search the archives from the Looper's > Delight web page for what was previously discussed about this pedal as well. > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kriist@aol.com [mailto:Kriist@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 27, 1999 1:35 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: what were those pedals? > > there was some talk a bit ago about these korg(?) pedals > i think they was something8000 > there were 2 of them > one did mostly time based stuff > the other filter stuff > what were they called > oh, and what was that new stomp box looper > something head > > thanks > > rodrigo > > oh, i know ive said his before but is anyone selling a grand stick? I ordered a "Headrush" pedal from Musician's Friend. They said that they won't ship 'til mid-March. Cheers, James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 2 06:30:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA00702; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:30:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:30:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: spat@visi.com Posted-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 04:53:55 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990302105206.00675ce4@mail.visi.com> X-Sender: spat@mail.visi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 04:52:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: cheep looper Resent-Message-ID: <"qleVx3.0.Py6.gDyss"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone try this little thing?: Sabine Backtrack Digital Sampler. Designed for learning riffs, records up to 30 sec of any audio source via line input/output, adjustable playback speed. $87.00 Seems like it could be useful for mayhem in the aux send/return of a mixer..... Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 2 10:30:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA24298; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:30:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:30:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36DBF633.6624@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:31:15 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cheep looper References: <1.5.4.32.19990302105206.00675ce4@mail.visi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b9rIu1.0.Er2.vK_ss"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com spat@visi.com wrote: > > > Anyone try this little thing?: Sabine Backtrack Digital Sampler. > Designed for learning riffs, records up to 30 sec of any audio > source via line input/output, adjustable playback speed. > $87.00 > Seems like it could be useful for mayhem in the aux > send/return of a mixer..... The Sabine webpage for this box is http://www.liveapps.com/sabine/liveapps/ibktraka.htm for anybody who is interested. The Harmony Central description (at http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM98/Sabine/Backtrack.html ) says "suggested list price of $99.95." The Sabine spec says "17.4 KHz sample rate" so don't expect a bandwidth above 8.7 KHz. The Sabine page doesn't list the sample size though it mentions "8-bit processor". Probably kinda grainy sounding... I'd like to play with one of these, too. Doesn't sound like we should expect too much, but for a hunert dolla, it could be alot of fun and certainly alot of mayhem. Somebody try it, please! - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 2 17:22:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA16665; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:22:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:22:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36DC5AE6.227E@pop.interport.net> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 16:40:57 -0500 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: what were those pedals? References: <000001be6257$4a7263c0$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> <36DB7041.7CAB61B1@stic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FvYAZ2.0.Fl2.6x5ts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi everyone Concerning affordable delay pedals. IU purchased the zoom508 delay for about $90 new. It features a 4 second delay, is pretty quiet and easy to use. Check it out. jp jparada@changenow.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 2 21:03:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA11637; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:03:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:03:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: XJ32@aol.com Message-ID: <5daa9568.36dc92b7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:39:03 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cheep looper Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"pVjvg1.0.rs1.jD9ts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/2/99 5:29:47 AM Central Standard Time, spat@visi.com writes: > Anyone try this little thing? Sabine Backtrack Digital Sampler. > Designed for learning riffs, records up to 30 sec of any audio > source via line input/output, adjustable playback speed. > $87.00 > Seems like it could be useful for mayhem in the aux > send/return of a mixer..... > > Steve > I tried it thinking the same thing you did....But, the sound quality was horibble, noisy and glitchy. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 03:11:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA01487; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:11:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:11:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:47:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Mr. $700 Resent-Message-ID: <"tMIYL3.0.NY7.QbEts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I don't normally share in public what comes to me in private, but I just got email from the infamous guy who bought a jamman for $700 on ebay. Seems his footswitch isn't working right. Thought you'd all enjoy hearing about that. :-) and Mr. Williamson, I do hope sales is your profession, you're a master! Mr. 700 was also wondering if there is subscription charge for Looper's Delight. I'm going to tell him its $29.99/mo, you all play along, ok? ;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 04:32:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA11035; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 04:32:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 04:32:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Mr. $700 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:36:45 -0800 Message-ID: <002401be6550$f8a67480$33ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"B1zkY.0.BA1.oJFts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's so nasty, Kim. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] Sent: Tuesday 02 March 1999 11:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Mr. $700 Well, I don't normally share in public what comes to me in private, but I just got email from the infamous guy who bought a jamman for $700 on ebay. Seems his footswitch isn't working right. Thought you'd all enjoy hearing about that. :-) and Mr. Williamson, I do hope sales is your profession, you're a master! Mr. 700 was also wondering if there is subscription charge for Looper's Delight. I'm going to tell him its $29.99/mo, you all play along, ok? ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 06:45:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA26386; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 06:45:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 06:45:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Alan.Maguire@CERT.IE Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: Prices etc. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <01J8E3TOW3JE002EOY@kira.team400.ie> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Resent-Message-ID: <"mgIzt2.0.VY5.KdHts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I'm new to the list, so this will seem like a stupid question, but how much should I expect to pay for a Jamman? Actually I'm more interested in an Echoplex, but I cant find a dealer here (Dublin,Ireland) so I've no idea how much these things cost. Cheers, Alan Maguire. Kim writes: >Well, I don't normally share in public what comes to me in private, >but I just got email from the infamous guy who bought a jamman for >$700 on ebay. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 07:32:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA32551; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:32:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:32:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01be6571$64f2dbe0$5122a2d1@i658574> From: "Peter Spoecker" To: Subject: Re: Prices etc. Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 04:28:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"33VA33.0.AE7.AQIts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's 2 for sale with 32 sec upgrade for $450 and $500 at www.harmonycentral.com classified ads. This is the best site for used gear, but shipping to Ireland is another matter. > Hi, > I'm new to the list, so this will seem like a stupid question, but > how much should I expect to pay for a Jamman? Actually I'm more > interested in an Echoplex, but I cant find a dealer here > (Dublin,Ireland) so I've no idea how much these things cost. > > Cheers, > Alan Maguire. > > > > Kim writes: > >Well, I don't normally share in public what comes to me in private, > >but I just got email from the infamous guy who bought a jamman for > >$700 on ebay. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 09:46:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA23545; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:46:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:46:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903031411.JAA12747@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: cheep looper Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:10:02 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4id_c.0.084.2DKts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Anyone try this little thing?: Sabine Backtrack Digital Sampler. > Designed for learning riffs, records up to 30 sec of any audio > source via line input/output, adjustable playback speed. > $87.00 > Seems like it could be useful for mayhem in the aux > send/return of a mixer..... yes - i have one for learning ridiculous zappa and fiuczynski riffs..... and it did dawn on me, as i was loopoing a 30 sec part over and over.. HEY - this is familiar.... so - yeah - real cool, and nice lofi effect when you slow the signal to 1/3, 1/2, or 2/3 speed. Nifty, cheap, unique looper for sure. all hand controlled, would need to be onstage on a music stand etc peace - andre' (oh hey - NY'ers mark yer calendar - i'll be looping live with JFK's LSD UFO tues apr 27 at the knitting factory/alterknit theatre) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 11:23:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA10240; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:23:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:23:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Prices etc. Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:34:46 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01be658b$5e220560$23ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01J8E3TOW3JE002EOY@kira.team400.ie> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"p6fNM.0.3B.tRLts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, at this point, a Jamman goes for $700. But you can call Alto Music (info below) to have them ship you an Echoplex. Their e-mail address is mailto:u1010403@warwick.net (ignore the "mailto:"; that's just to enable the URL-clicking in your e-mail client). <> -----Original Message----- From: Alan.Maguire@CERT.IE [mailto:Alan.Maguire@CERT.IE] Sent: Wednesday 03 March 1999 2:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Prices etc. Hi, I'm new to the list, so this will seem like a stupid question, but how much should I expect to pay for a Jamman? Actually I'm more interested in an Echoplex, but I cant find a dealer here (Dublin,Ireland) so I've no idea how much these things cost. Cheers, Alan Maguire. Kim writes: >Well, I don't normally share in public what comes to me in private, >but I just got email from the infamous guy who bought a jamman for >$700 on ebay. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 11:50:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA15611; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:50:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:50:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Edward_Chang@amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: Djmomo17@aol.com Message-ID: <85256729.0059B2AB.08@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:25:32 -0500 Subject: ABC No Rio Benefit Concert (Spin-17 gig, NYC) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"4bVKd.0.NS2.G7Mts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ABC No Rio Benefit Concert Last Minute Reminder THURSDAY MARCH 4 ( * * T O M O R R O W ! ! * * ) 7:30 pm (#) to 1:00 am Featuring : William Parker w/ Daniel Carter, Roy Campbell & Andrew Barker Jemeel Moondoc & Friends Dar Ting (Blaise Siwula, Donald Miller, Hal Onserud, Michael Evans, Jackson Krall) >>SPIN-17 (Ed Chang & Motoko Shimizu) Kenta Nagai, Jane Wang & Tatsuya Nakatani Tuli Kupferberg The Bindlestiff Family Cirkus Mammals of Zod God Is My Copilot All-Star Jam IN THE MAZER THEATRE AT THE EDUCATIONAL ALLIANCE 197 EAST BROADWAY (AT JEFFERSON STREET) NYC (Take the F train to East Broadway, walk 1 block east) $10-20 sliding scale Proceeds go to the ABC No Rio Building Renovation Fund Benefit Show Schedule Info: (212) 539-6089 (Note to our friends and fans - we're (Spin-17) playing first at 7:30pm, so hope to see you there at this very worthy cause!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 12:43:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA29396; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:43:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:43:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000401be6537$3c9ecf80$117a070c@govinda> From: "Marc Roche" To: Subject: Re: Prices etc. Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:27:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Hpkap3.0.F86.03Nts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, FWIW, I owned a Jamman for two years, sold it for $500 on the Internet in November 97. I loved my Jamman, but there is no comparison between it and the Echoplex I bought last summer. I bought my plex for about $700 w/ FP and extra memory. With what I know now, I'd say that an expanded Jamman is worth about $250 tops (if it doesn't develop problems like mine did and needs to be serviced). Ciao. -----Original Message----- From: Alan.Maguire@CERT.IE To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 3:42 AM Subject: Prices etc. > Hi, > I'm new to the list, so this will seem like a stupid question, but > how much should I expect to pay for a Jamman? Actually I'm more > interested in an Echoplex, but I cant find a dealer here > (Dublin,Ireland) so I've no idea how much these things cost. > > Cheers, > Alan Maguire. > > > > Kim writes: > >Well, I don't normally share in public what comes to me in private, > >but I just got email from the infamous guy who bought a jamman for > >$700 on ebay. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 12:42:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA29302; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:42:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:42:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903031709.MAA17176@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:05:57 -0500 Subject: Help with "Click to LED"circuits and more.. From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t24dA3.0.hi4.rkMts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, Hopefully there's someone on the list who can help... I want to convert the click output of my DrumKAT to the flash of an LED, (so I don't have to monitor the click in headphones) & I need help in building a "click to LED flash" circuit. I've done a bunch of soldering (mostly making needles in a tattoo shop!) but I don't know a thing beyond simple switches... While were at it - how about designing a "click to footswitch tap" so the clock from my KAT can drive the TAP Tempo of my Vortex? Call me lazy but I thought it might be cool... Thanks, John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 12:37:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA27992; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:37:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:37:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <198917c9.36dd6fae@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:21:50 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Mr. $700 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"s1aFu2.0.Y36.C2Nts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/3/99 6:10:12 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << I'm going to tell him its $29.99/mo, >> but you told me it was 49.99.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 13:39:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA10785; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:39:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:39:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "BOB HENRY" Organization: KNME-TV, University of New Mexico To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:27:35 GMT+7 Subject: Good Article! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <1F0F5BD4F80@knme1.unm.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"zK5Zs1.0.c72.OyNts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings! Just wanted to let you know that I really enjoyed your article about "Looping". I made such a device back in '77, when I obtained an old tube-type R-to-R. It had a place for a second head, which I took from another identicle machine and installed it in the first machine. It sounded great! And I think you're right about the fact that tape delay sounds different than (Crappy) digital delays. I have a little 8-track studio (analog, of course) with a few digital outboard effect units. Nope, they just don't sound as natural as the tape delays, but that's all I have right now...or at least, untill I get an open-reel analog machine to play with. Thanks for the article! Regards, Bob Henry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 13:52:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA14375; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:52:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:52:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:26:34 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990303122324.007abdc0@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:23:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: My review of Sellon Jam-Man update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TGpn_1.0.M62.3yNts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have been working with Bob Sellon's 0.2 update for the last 2 weeks, and I must say that this is the greatest looping instrument I have yet encountered. My favorite new feature is the ability to have multiple, simultaneous loops, each on a separate channel with mute, layer, replace, level and pan. Welcome to multi-track looping! I love to have a basic chord progression or groove recorded, panned center, and add layers of swiming atmospherics to channels panned hard left and hard right. If I find that I want to change what is happening in one of the channels, I can change it without destroying the entire piece. The ability to mute each part during a performance allows for really spontaneous arrangements. There are quite a number of other features that I havent explored yet, like the sampler and mellotron modes. I hope that he can strike a deal with Lexicon to release this software commercially, or even better, develops a new looping device incorporating all of these great ideas (Given the $$$ required to buy a jam-man these days). -Chuck Zwicky ........................................................................... But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on computers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 14:32:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA23843; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:32:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:32:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Isaacs, James" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Prices etc. Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:48:59 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"OqdUd1.0.u43.tEOts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Last one, my good Dude. > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc Roche [SMTP:govinda@cyber-dyne.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 12:28 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Prices etc. > > Hi all, > > FWIW, I owned a Jamman for two years, sold it for $500 on the > Internet in > November 97. I loved my Jamman, but there is no comparison between it > and > the Echoplex I bought last summer. I bought my plex for about $700 w/ > FP > and extra memory. With what I know now, I'd say that an expanded > Jamman is > worth about $250 tops (if it doesn't develop problems like mine did > and > needs to be serviced). Ciao. > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan.Maguire@CERT.IE > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 3:42 AM > Subject: Prices etc. > > > > Hi, > > I'm new to the list, so this will seem like a stupid > question, but > > how much should I expect to pay for a Jamman? Actually I'm more > > interested in an Echoplex, but I cant find a dealer here > > (Dublin,Ireland) so I've no idea how much these things cost. > > > > Cheers, > > Alan Maguire. > > > > > > > > Kim writes: > > >Well, I don't normally share in public what comes to me in > private, > > >but I just got email from the infamous guy who bought a jamman > for > > >$700 on ebay. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 16:50:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA24667; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:50:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:50:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:16:12 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: My review of Sellon Jam-Man update Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"MygyZ2.0.oX4.iRQts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com how much is the upgrade? what is the upgrade? where can i get the upgrade? =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 18:03:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA05851; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:03:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:03:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:34:32 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990303163320.00804530@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:33:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: My review of Sellon Jam-Man update In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"02MmQ.0.kD.YaRts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The upgrade is not available commercially, it is only in 'beta' stage. Bob estimates that it would sell for around $200. It still has too many 'undocumented features' to release commercially. The existing Jamman software very solid and very stable. Here is a list of some of the 'undocumented features' I have uncovered: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/jamman_bugs.htm At 04:16 PM 3/3/99 EST, you wrote: >how much is the upgrade? what is the upgrade? where can i get the upgrade? =-) >PJ > > > ........................................................................... But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on computers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 18:11:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA07293; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:11:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:11:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990303175701.007a4100@earthlink.net> X-Sender: cqlung@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:57:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Q Subject: Re: My review of Sellon Jam-Man update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YyvdU1.0.xs.8nRts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com `What is this update? Is it an add-on for a Jam man? I haven't heard anything about it. My curiousity is spinning....CQ At 12:23 PM 3/3/99 -0600, you wrote: >I have been working with Bob Sellon's 0.2 update for the last 2 weeks, and >I must say that this is the greatest looping instrument I have yet >encountered. > >My favorite new feature is the ability to have multiple, simultaneous >loops, each on a separate channel with mute, layer, replace, level and >pan. Welcome to multi-track looping! > >I love to have a basic chord progression or groove recorded, panned center, >and add layers of swiming atmospherics to channels panned hard left and >hard right. If I find that I want to change what is happening in one of the >channels, I can change it without destroying the entire piece. The ability >to mute each part during a performance allows for really spontaneous >arrangements. > >There are quite a number of other features that I havent explored yet, like >the sampler and mellotron modes. > >I hope that he can strike a deal with Lexicon to release this software >commercially, or even better, develops a new looping device incorporating >all of these great ideas (Given the $$$ required to buy a jam-man these days). > > >-Chuck Zwicky >........................................................................... >But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on >computers. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 19:26:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA29840; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:26:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:26:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:01:58 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: My review of Sellon Jam-Man update Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"PbXeE2.0.q35.ZuSts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Chuck Zwicky wrote: "I have been working with Bob Sellon's 0.2 update for the last 2 weeks, and I must say that this is the greatest looping instrument I have yet encountered. " He forgot to say that this is a Jamman update from Bob Sellon. It's not commercially avialble. It's beta in extreme. That said, he's right. It's awesome. Best, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 21:13:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA21941; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:13:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:13:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990304014549.23291.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [171.133.216.5] From: "wayne schroeder" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mr. $700 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:45:35 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"h9_a23.0.ZH4.cOUts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:47:18 -0800 >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >From: Kim Flint >Subject: Mr. $700 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Well, I don't normally share in public what comes to me in private, but I >just got email from the infamous guy who bought a jamman for $700 on ebay. >Seems his footswitch isn't working right. Thought you'd all enjoy hearing >about that. :-) > >and Mr. Williamson, I do hope sales is your profession, you're a master! > >Mr. 700 was also wondering if there is subscription charge for Looper's >Delight. I'm going to tell him its $29.99/mo, you all play along, ok? ;-) > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > >Kim, that's cheaper what than I pay per month! But I got the introductory offer of unlimited access and free hotmail! -W ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 3 23:26:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA09403; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:26:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:26:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: XJ32@aol.com Message-ID: <866b166f.36de043f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:55:43 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: My review of Sellon Jam-Man update Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"ElPcq3.0.ZT1.NQWts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/3/99 12:50:24 PM Central Standard Time, zwicky@visi.com writes: > I have been working with Bob Sellon's 0.2 update for the last 2 weeks, and > I must say that this is the greatest looping instrument I have yet > encountered. > Sorry for the ignorance, but is this an independent upgrade for a regular Jam man? What does it cost? and where can one obtain one? - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 4 11:04:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA15253; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:04:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:04:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990304150145.11615.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:01:45 -0800 (PST) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: I want the Sellon Jam-Man update To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"3sW_r2.0.X31.G1gts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I must have it!!! I will have it!!! Please tell me how to get it!!!!!!!!!!!! Dan ---XJ32@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/3/99 12:50:24 PM Central Standard Time, zwicky@visi.com > writes: > > > I have been working with Bob Sellon's 0.2 update for the last 2 weeks, and > > I must say that this is the greatest looping instrument I have yet > > encountered. > > > Sorry for the ignorance, but is this an independent upgrade for a regular Jam > man? > What does it cost? and where can one obtain one? > - Paul > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 4 11:31:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA21277; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:31:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:31:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990304102419.007a86d0@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:24:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: Mr. $700 In-Reply-To: <198917c9.36dd6fae@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0ZdSM3.0.u52.MQgts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:21 PM 3/3/99 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 3/3/99 6:10:12 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, >kflint@annihilist.com writes: > ><< I'm going to tell him its $29.99/mo, >> i heard bob sellon's doing a looper's delight list 0.2 for cheaper. unfortunately, the undocumented features include: - won't let you unsubscribe - automaticly changes the name of most loop artists to "fripp" - has cross-thread postings from the knitting enthusiast list (that references to knitting factory gigs only complicate) - has been know to spread the virus 'plex.exe' that funnels money out of you bank account and into the account of alto music. still thinking about the change.... m "I've found Jesus. He was behind the sofa the whole time." ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 4 12:35:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA02353; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:35:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:35:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jadirusso@statestreet.com X-OpenMail-Hops: 2 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:46:07 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: Echoplex input LED MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="cc:Mail" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="cc:Mail" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VdDRY2.0.Gv5.ibhts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm new to this list and have found it very helpful and informative. Anyway, I just got a new echoplex yesterday and was playing around with it last night. I noticed that the input LED was not lighting up at all when I played... Of course this made it rather difficult to decide where to set the input level. I sent an email to mike ayers at oberheim but I was just wondering if anyone knows how I could fix this myself or knows if oberheim remedies this kind of problem quickly. I waited 3 months to get the echoplex and now that I have it I don't want to be without it for months again. Any help would be appreciated. Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 4 12:34:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA02242; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:34:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:34:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:34:38 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990304101759.008f3810@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:17:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: My review of Sellon Jam-Man update In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Eepzs3.0.tN5.6Phts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 07:01 PM 3/3/99 EST, you wrote: >He forgot to say that this is a Jamman update from Bob Sellon. >Best, >Kevin Note the subject line of my e-mail: "My review of Sellon Jam-Man update" ........................................................................... But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on computers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 4 12:51:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA05594; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:51:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:51:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:02:42 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mr. $700 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990304102419.007a86d0@panther.middlebury.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"tNdrW2.0.Pc6.Zphts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, murkie wrote: > At 12:21 PM 3/3/99 EST, you wrote: > >In a message dated 3/3/99 6:10:12 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, > >kflint@annihilist.com writes: > > > ><< I'm going to tell him its $29.99/mo, >> > > i heard bob sellon's doing a looper's delight list 0.2 for cheaper. > > unfortunately, the undocumented features include: > > - won't let you unsubscribe However, the "UNSUSCRIBE" command is completely functional. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 4 13:40:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA15672; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:40:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:40:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36DECBC8.F5153363@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:07:04 -0800 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Sabine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Zdj_h3.0.k_1.jiits"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I can get one of those back Tracks for $69 bucks- I just might pick it up to tide me over until my Ecoplex arrives-they look pretty nifty and quite portable- plus the EDP does not have the ability to slow the speed of the loop as far as I know(or keep the pitch the same as orig.). Please correct me if I am mistaken- I should take a look at the manual but I am at work- Anyone here play fretless or microtone guitar/ I am interested to find more info etc.- mail me off list if you can. Also- does Klein make short scale guitars? I notice the difference in string tension and find short scale so much easier to bend, etc. On the looping side- I got the new E-bow and have been having great fun using the E-bow and the Vortex to get some small but interesing loops going- I am going to post 1 or 2 patches to the Vortex database in the next few days- the Vortex was meant to be heard through headphones, the spacial effects are great- Clifford From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 4 14:28:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA25184; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:28:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:28:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:41:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex input LED Resent-Message-ID: <"M_psY2.0.rx3.HHjts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:46 AM -0800 3/4/99, jadirusso@statestreet.com wrote: > I'm new to this list and have found it very helpful and > informative. > Anyway, I just got a new echoplex yesterday and was playing around > with it last night. I noticed that the input LED was not lighting > up at all when I played... Of course this made it rather difficult > to decide where to set the input level. I sent an email to mike > ayers at oberheim but I was just wondering if anyone knows how I > could fix this myself or knows if oberheim remedies this kind of > problem quickly. I waited 3 months to get the echoplex and now that > I have it I don't want to be without it for months again. I think they are pretty fast with repair service these days. The repair technician who handles the echoplex is quite good. And the input LED should be a very simple thing to deal with. You sure you have the input turned up enough? :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 4 15:34:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA10437; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:34:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:34:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jadirusso@statestreet.com X-OpenMail-Hops: 2 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:56:11 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <"v03102801b3048361a69c(a)(091)207.171.198.34(093)*"@MHS> Subject: Re: Echoplex input LED MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WqWqk3.0._6.TMkts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yep I turned it up all the way and still not even a faint glow in the LED :) Thanks for the info about the repair service.... Now I will just wait to hear back from Mike Ayers about where to send it to get it serviced. Joe ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Echoplex input LED Author: kflint (kflint@annihilist.com) at INTERNET Date: 03/04/1999 1:41 PM At 8:46 AM -0800 3/4/99, jadirusso@statestreet.com wrote: > I'm new to this list and have found it very helpful and > informative. > Anyway, I just got a new echoplex yesterday and was playing around > with it last night. I noticed that the input LED was not lighting > up at all when I played... Of course this made it rather difficult > to decide where to set the input level. I sent an email to mike > ayers at oberheim but I was just wondering if anyone knows how I > could fix this myself or knows if oberheim remedies this kind of > problem quickly. I waited 3 months to get the echoplex and now that > I have it I don't want to be without it for months again. I think they are pretty fast with repair service these days. The repair technician who handles the echoplex is quite good. And the input LED should be a very simple thing to deal with. You sure you have the input turned up enough? :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 4 15:40:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA11798; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:40:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:40:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE6633.1C574840.stevehan@transworld-lax.com> From: Steve Han Reply-To: "stevehan@transworld-lax.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:21:40 -0800 Organization: Transworld Freight Systems X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vgv6Z1.0.Bp6.u4kts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello my fellow scientific musicians, Does anyone know of any Free Plug-Ins download sites for the Steinberg Cubase VST (or the like...)? Thanks in advance. Steve (Curbie) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 5 00:23:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA12445; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:23:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:23:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36DF6564.53632183@stic.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:02:28 -0600 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: gear search Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F1l8x.0.Tw1.bFsts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm looking for a Waldorf 4 pole filter and/or a Lexicon MPX-G2 (with the midi pedal). Used if possible. Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 5 00:37:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA14755; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:37:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:37:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990305051310.00679bd4@mail.harborside.com> X-Sender: joesauto@mail.harborside.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 21:13:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Culley Subject: unsubscribe Resent-Message-ID: <"KB0ec3.0.Se2.CWsts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com please remove me from your lists the volume is overwelming thank you Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 5 03:27:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA17107; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:27:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:27:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36DFA321.38BD019E@magelang.com> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 01:25:53 -0800 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gear search References: <36DF6564.53632183@stic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cg9nW.0.z04.jCvts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Let's see, if a JamMan is $700 used, that'd put the MPX-G2 at about.... 1800? :) Seriously though, I think it would be hard to find a G2 used, they just started shipping last fall. jim James H. Sidlo wrote: > > I'm looking for a Waldorf 4 pole filter and/or a Lexicon MPX-G2 > (with the midi pedal). Used if possible. > Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 5 08:29:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA31980; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:29:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:29:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36DFD35E.A4D5A7C2@columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 07:51:42 -0500 From: Morgan Lang Reply-To: mhl21@columbia.edu X-Sender: "Morgan Lang" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06C-NECCK (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: "things" vs. programs References: <199903050813.DAA15879@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ANOyK1.0.yZ6.8Azts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, all: Would anyone care to respond as to why the majority of subscribers to this list seem to prefer looping devices rather than computer programs? Is it the "live"ness of being able to record and improvise with no intermediary cut 'n' paste or "loop point" edits? Thanks, Morgan Hamilton Lang. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 5 09:12:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA07526; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:12:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:12:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:32:29 EST To: mhl21@columbia.edu, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: "things" vs. programs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"S721f3.0.fz7.-qzts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/5/99 1:28:33 PM, mhl21@columbia.edu writes: << Would anyone care to respond as to why the majority of subscribers to this list seem to prefer looping devices rather than computer programs? Is it the "live"ness of being able to record and improvise with no intermediary cut 'n' paste or "loop point" edits? >> Computers are not convenient to gig with, yet.....especially with regard to reliability and performance (hard to take your hands off of your kazoo/sax/accordian/guitar/whatever to point and click while playing). At least that's my immediate take on it. Marshall From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 5 11:10:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA26625; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:10:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:10:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903051504.MAA20745@postman.bahianet.com.br> Reply-To: From: "Julio Moreno" To: Subject: Switcher. Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:30:33 -0300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hmyoK.0.jx3.8B_ts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Somebody knows something about analog programable switchers for various pedals? Thanks anyway. Julio. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 5 11:41:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA00782; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:41:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:41:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903051504.MAA20758@postman.bahianet.com.br> Reply-To: From: "Julio Moreno" To: Subject: Re: "things" vs. programs Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:55:05 -0300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Z-7mC3.0.cx3.7B_ts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---------- > From: Morgan Lang > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: "things" vs. programs > Date: Sexta-feira, 5 de Março de 1999 09:51 > > Hi, all: > > Would anyone care to respond as to why the majority of subscribers to this > list seem to prefer looping devices rather than computer programs? Is it the > "live"ness of being able to record and improvise with no intermediary cut 'n' > paste or "loop point" edits? I think the answer is yes.Every body wants to play first...another thing its work at home on composing, new ideas laboratory etc. to find new ways. High hopes, Julio. '' If you want to know where you go, you must know first where you come from'' ( i love this final ironics the list folk put on mails). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 5 14:09:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA01321; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:09:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:09:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:26:01 -0500 (EST) From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199903051826.NAA20234@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"dtg4e.0.U76.f72us"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #104 March 4, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I began a month-long focus on the sixth annual Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival featuring the music of the artists who will be performing. The festival will be on April 10 in Huizen, the Netherlands at the Theatre 3-in-1. Alfa-Centauri: http://home.wxs.nl/~quantumproductions Redshift : http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~redshift EMUSIC Focus : http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html The feature CD at midnight was the self-titled debut CD by Redshift on the Champagne Lake label. Upcoming events announced: Star's End Gathering XVI (Ma Ja Le and Jeff Pearce) and XVII (Richard Pinhas), and Arttek at Second Avenue. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Live phone interview with Jeff Pearce Jeff Pearce The Hidden Rift The Hidden Rift (Ancient Sun) Jeff Pearce Gone and Forgotten Tenderness&Fatality(Windchime) Recorded phone interview with Chris Short of Ma Ja Le Ma Ja Le & Vir Unis Incomprehensible Love Imaginarium (Mirage) Ma Ja Le Dance in Sands DreamsInTheOrchardOfSaturn(A.J.Grey) Stratosphere Swirl Introspective Spaces (Amplexus) VA [Ashok Prema] Dancing Dust Is There Anybody Out There...? (Champagne Lake, SMD, AD Music) Vidna Obmana Landscape in Obscurity* Landscape in Obscurity (Hypnos) 12:00 am Redshift Redshift Redshift (Champagne Lake) Redshift Spin Redshift (Champagne Lake) Redshift Shine Redshift (Champagne Lake) Redshift Blueshift Redshift (Champagne Lake) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on the artists who will be performing at the sixth Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival in Huizen, the Netherlands. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be "Nodular" by RAMP on the Manikin label. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 5 18:25:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA16278; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:25:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:25:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E0640E.44894DF0@sfsu.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 15:09:03 -0800 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: "things" vs. programs References: <199903050813.DAA15879@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <36DFD35E.A4D5A7C2@columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PgC_A2.0.SF3.LM6us"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Personally, I prefer the "hands on" live element. I also actually like the inability to use loop point edits. Instead, my little squashboxes give me a plethora of little things that I can do spontaneously that computers don't seem to offer (to my experience). I can add to any point of the loop in "real time" without having to move a cursor; I can quickly decide if I want the new portion to add to or replace the existing portion; I can change the pitch instantly without waiting for processing time. I can sample while changing the pitch. All of these are very useful to me. When I get my computer I probably will use some of the looping programs, but I'll use them in a different way, compared to my boxes. When I hear folks using computers for loops, I hear loops that sound perfectly processed and that match perfectly with the music. Loops to me are a medium of sound exploration. I find more joy in listening to a spontaneously created, "unpredictable" loop. matt Morgan Lang wrote: > Hi, all: > > Would anyone care to respond as to why the majority of subscribers to this > list seem to prefer looping devices rather than computer programs? Is it the > "live"ness of being able to record and improvise with no intermediary cut 'n' > paste or "loop point" edits? > > Thanks, > > Morgan Hamilton Lang. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 5 18:38:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA18612; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:38:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:38:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BE6633.1C574840.stevehan@transworld-lax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:16:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? Resent-Message-ID: <"CtyV93.0.rP3.-M6us"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hello my fellow scientific musicians, > >Does anyone know of any Free Plug-Ins download >sites for the Steinberg Cubase VST (or the like...)? > >Thanks in advance. > >Steve (Curbie) Steve: There are some on Harmony Central, but if you hear of a good dedicated site, let us know. BTW, some here may have seen Electronic Musician's article this month on sound editors. SoundEdit was mentioned and looked very cool from the downloadable demo. I called to order it and found that they are asking--get this--THIRTY DOLLARS for the thing. The effects alone (the reason I want it) are worth far, far, more--no question. Let me note that it's Mac only, to save some of you time.... The demo only runs for 20 minutes, and you can't save anything, but people really oughta at least check out the demo: www.micromat.com David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 5 18:50:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA24755; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:50:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:50:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:29:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? Resent-Message-ID: <"N4GfL.0.h94.PZ6us"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry! It's "SoundMaker", not "SoundEdit". Damn, it's kind of the "Fatal Attraction" syndrome... how about some more unique names for software stuff, like Way Huge Swollen Pickle or Lovetone Meatball, fer chrissake? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 5 19:25:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA06234; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:25:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:25:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903060021.TAA28322@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 19:17:08 -0500 Subject: Gig Alert: NYC Sunday, 3/7/99 @ 9pm From: "jmw/cmu" To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VmKjd3.0.nB.4F7us"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a note for those of you in & around NYC. I'll be a solo performance at the Knitting Factory's Alterknit Theatre this Sunday, 3/7/99 @ 9pm Janus Vieczore - improvised electro/acoustic percussion, dark, ambient, rhythm environments 3/7/99 at 9pm Knitting Factory, 74 Leonard St. NYC $6 Please drop by if you're free (and say hello if you do). peace, jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 5 19:51:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA11635; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:51:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:51:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE6726.93308000.stevehan@transworld-lax.com> From: Steve Han Reply-To: "stevehan@transworld-lax.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:37:50 -0800 Organization: Transworld Freight Systems X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nDdI5.0.dV2.lc7us"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks David and Leo. Leo, please send info to: www.curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com I found few other possible free Plug-in sites on www.us.steinberg.net and go into "learning". Costus's templates are really cool too for Cubase VST setups. They have this "Organge Vocoder" and "D-pole" which are excellent Plug-ins (about $59 per pop) Thanks again. I'll advise if I find anymore sites. Steve (Curbie) -----Original Message----- From: David Myers [SMTP:dmgraph@pulsewidth.com] Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 3:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? Sorry! It's "SoundMaker", not "SoundEdit". Damn, it's kind of the "Fatal Attraction" syndrome... how about some more unique names for software stuff, like Way Huge Swollen Pickle or Lovetone Meatball, fer chrissake? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 5 21:25:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA24922; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:25:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:25:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990305211849.007a4910@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:18:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"CMCP92.0.qp5.v_8us"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I understand the Lovetone Meatball is still beta at this point, and that the factory's 4 to 6 months behind on Way Huge Swollen Pickle (WHSP) orders. At 06:29 PM 3/5/99 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry! It's "SoundMaker", not "SoundEdit". Damn, it's kind of the "Fatal >Attraction" syndrome... how about some more unique names for software >stuff, like Way Huge Swollen Pickle or Lovetone Meatball, fer chrissake? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 6 00:09:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA15580; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:09:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:09:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:02:39 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990305220425.008db350@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 22:04:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990305211849.007a4910@pop.ici.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HwkhH2.0.EY3.NSBus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Way huge is now defunkt. At 09:18 PM 3/5/99 -0800, you wrote: >I understand the Lovetone Meatball is still beta at this point, and that >the factory's 4 to 6 months behind on Way Huge Swollen Pickle (WHSP) orders. > >At 06:29 PM 3/5/99 -0500, you wrote: >>Sorry! It's "SoundMaker", not "SoundEdit". Damn, it's kind of the "Fatal >>Attraction" syndrome... how about some more unique names for software >>stuff, like Way Huge Swollen Pickle or Lovetone Meatball, fer chrissake? >> >> >> > > > ........................................................................... But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on computers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 6 10:07:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA01404; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:07:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:07:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990305220425.008db350@POP.VISI.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19990305211849.007a4910@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:00:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? Resent-Message-ID: <"dl73K2.0.r6.tBKus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Way huge is now defunkt. Alas, I hear that Lovetone is now gone also.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 6 10:22:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA03483; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:22:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:22:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: Lovetone is not gone .... Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:10:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be67e3$7cea4e80$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"TJgkr3.0.UT.sLKus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lovetone is still in business! The fallacy that they went under was started by a few misinformed Internet posts! -----Original Message----- From: David Myers [mailto:dmgraph@pulsewidth.com] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 1999 10:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? >Way huge is now defunkt. Alas, I hear that Lovetone is now gone also.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 6 13:24:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA28815; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:24:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:24:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: "things" vs. programs Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:04:41 -0800 Message-ID: <003301be67fb$cefea640$26ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <36E0640E.44894DF0@sfsu.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"lK55Z1.0.SL6.BwMus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please tell me what your squashboxes are! -----Original Message----- From: Matthew P. Davignon [mailto:mdavig@sfsu.edu] Sent: Friday 05 March 1999 3:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: "things" vs. programs Personally, I prefer the "hands on" live element. I also actually like the inability to use loop point edits. Instead, my little squashboxes give me a plethora of little things that I can do spontaneously that computers don't seem to offer (to my experience). I can add to any point of the loop in "real time" without having to move a cursor; I can quickly decide if I want the new portion to add to or replace the existing portion; I can change the pitch instantly without waiting for processing time. I can sample while changing the pitch. All of these are very useful to me. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 6 14:15:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA03727; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:15:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:15:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAt1qd6xg6WJrQ/kaPwFx/et/9HwkCFFQzAGHMBodFEQoQGJK8Oml9Xy6J From: vimana@webtv.net (vimana) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:10:16 -0600 (CST) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: loopfreaks tribe. Message-ID: <19237-36E17D98-1696@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"yq6JY3.0.pm._sNus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i thought i wuz the only one who used a jam man?!! ive had 2 of them bug out sometimes,that really sucks,they are cool 2 seq.loops from a midi beat box.now if someone would make one that can (save) stuff or have some kinda memory??the old digitechs have samplers 2 (studio 5000)etc.cool for lo fi tweeking, anybody remember the old 8 sec delay (infinet repeat)pedals dod,digitech. anybody use roland sp 808 or esi 4000 for looping,,,.....what the latest gadgets????for long easy delay,looping ,pedals or anything.....later all you loop freaks. vim..innertemple studios. l From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 6 16:05:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA20083; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:05:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:05:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E19361.583B5FDE@sfsu.edu> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 12:43:13 -0800 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: "things" vs. programs--squashboxes References: <003301be67fb$cefea640$26ceefd1@electra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ho-V61.0.nF4.KHPus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com They're DOD DFX 94's. They're kind of hard to find nowadays, but there is an updated version called the FX 98 which has an 8 second loop time and a reverse feature. I haven't tried it. Javier Miranda V. wrote: > Please tell me what your squashboxes are! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew P. Davignon [mailto:mdavig@sfsu.edu] > Sent: Friday 05 March 1999 3:09 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: "things" vs. programs > > Personally, I prefer the "hands on" live element. I also actually like the > inability to use loop point edits. Instead, my little squashboxes give me a > plethora of little things that I can do spontaneously that computers don't > seem > to offer (to my experience). I can add to any point of the loop in "real > time" > without having to move a cursor; I can quickly decide if I want the new > portion > to add to or replace the existing portion; I can change the pitch instantly > without waiting for processing time. I can sample while changing the pitch. > All > of these are very useful to me. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 6 18:06:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA05084; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 18:06:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 18:06:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "MARK FRANO" To: Subject: Game of Dice Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:43:55 -0500 Message-ID: <01be6822$d10b2d60$227df2d0@chester> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE67F8.E8352560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"r9Pt1.0.yk.E5Rus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE67F8.E8352560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll second the attraction to "live" looping. The spontanious 'action = and reaction dynamic' are for me are the joy of looping. I initiate the = sounds in an improvisational manner without too much of a design . As = they mingle, I mangle and bing badda bing they take on a life force of = their own. Sometimes I feel like Dr Frankenstien piecing together sonic = elements, then suddenly, "ITS ALIVE" My wife reminded me of a term used = alot in the 60's that is applicable to us loopers- ALEATORY. From the = latin 'alea' meaning game of dice. This term describes a kind of = uncomposed random music where chance is integral to the finished = composition. I'm no gambler but I love rollin the dice. Hi Fi Bugs. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE67F8.E8352560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll second the attraction to = "live"=20 looping. The spontanious 'action and reaction dynamic' are for me are = the joy of=20 looping. I initiate the sounds in an improvisational manner without too = much of=20 a design . As they mingle, I mangle and bing badda bing they take on a = life=20 force of their own. Sometimes I feel like Dr Frankenstien piecing = together sonic=20 elements, then suddenly, "ITS ALIVE" My wife reminded me of a = term=20 used alot in the 60's that is applicable to us loopers- ALEATORY. From = the latin=20 'alea' meaning game of dice. This term describes a kind of uncomposed = random=20 music where chance is integral to the finished composition. I'm no = gambler but I=20 love rollin the dice. Hi Fi Bugs.
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE67F8.E8352560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 6 20:02:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA21822; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:02:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:02:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990305220425.008db350@POP.VISI.com> <3.0.5.32.19990305211849.007a4910@pop.ici.net> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:34:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? Resent-Message-ID: <"e0AMv3.0.hD4.2aSus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Way huge is now defunkt. > > Alas, I hear that Lovetone is now gone also.... This is not true. they have a website that is current and just emailed me shipping terms for the meatball (beyond my means right now :-( Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 7 04:05:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA06510; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 04:05:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 04:05:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E23286.96129174@sfsu.edu> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 00:02:14 -0800 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: new fellas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9Enju1.0.Df7._CZus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It'd sure be really great if there was some sort of marker for new additions to the "loopers of the world" page or if new folks would e-mail a little blurb about themselves. I see the profile list growing, but it's tough trying to go through the entire list to find the profiles I've not yet read. Just a thought...this site is great though! matt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 7 06:08:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA19025; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 06:08:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 06:08:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36E23286.96129174@sfsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:39:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: new fellas Resent-Message-ID: <"jlVkm3.0.Ox3.HVbus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yep, well, somebody has to talk Mr. Chovit into volunteering to do v2.0 of the profile page software. ;-) speaking of which, if any of the rest of you freeloaders feel like contributing something to the Looper website, please don't hesitate! :-) kim At 12:02 AM -0800 3/7/99, Matthew P. Davignon wrote: >It'd sure be really great if there was some sort of marker for new >additions to the "loopers of the world" page or if new folks would >e-mail a little blurb about themselves. I see the profile list growing, >but it's tough trying to go through the entire list to find the profiles >I've not yet read. > >Just a thought...this site is great though! > >matt ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 7 09:51:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA07543; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:51:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:51:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "MARK FRANO" To: Subject: Akai MPC 2000 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:26:41 -0500 Message-ID: <01be68a6$84da2020$497df2d0@chester> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE687C.9C041820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"twKHO2.0.Lq.kueus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE687C.9C041820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loopdy loops, One of the more interesting and extremely hifi machines = available for looping is the Akai mpc2000. Certainly more designed for = dj's, it is not as conducive to ambient looping but with 32 megs of RAM = she's long on memory and is designed to loop samples. I think it would = be an excellent studio tool weather your looping beats or other noise. = Alas, no footswitch makes it difficult to wield an intrument and = interface easily with the MPC2000.Still an interesting candidate. Hi Fi = Bugs. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE687C.9C041820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loopdy loops, One of the more = interesting and=20 extremely hifi machines available for looping is the Akai mpc2000. = Certainly=20 more designed for dj's, it is not as conducive to ambient looping but = with 32=20 megs of RAM she's long on memory and is designed to loop samples. I = think it=20 would be an excellent studio tool weather your looping beats or other = noise.=20 Alas, no footswitch makes it difficult to wield an intrument and = interface=20 easily with the MPC2000.Still an interesting candidate. Hi Fi=20 Bugs.
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE687C.9C041820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 7 14:53:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA04007; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:53:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:53:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 06:34:39 +1100 X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01be68a6$84da2020$497df2d0@chester> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Re: Akai MPC 2000 Cc: mfrano@plainfield.bypass.com Resent-Message-ID: <"aS9cE.0.Iy7.jJjus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Loopdy loops, One of the more interesting and extremely hifi >machines available for looping is the Akai mpc2000. Certainly more >designed for dj's, it is not as conducive to ambient looping but with 32 >megs of RAM she's long on memory and is designed to loop samples. I would say the MPC2000 is more designed for studio/composition/live use rather than for DJ's, other Akai tools such as the Remix16 (or s20) are more aimed at DJs. >I think it would be an excellent studio tool weather your looping beats >or other noise. Alas, no footswitch makes it difficult to wield an >intrument and interface easily with the MPC2000.Still an interesting >candidate. Hi Fi Bugs. The MPC2000 OS version 1.5 added MIDI footswitch support, so you can program a MIDI footswitch to make the MPC do what you want with your feet while wielding your instrument in your hands. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA >From the MPC2000 OS1.5 manual update... MIDI Footswitch Assignment MIDI Control Change messages sent from the external MIDI devices to MPC2000 can control the various functions of MPC2000. Setting MIDI Footswitch Assignment is set in MIDI/SYNC mode. To access MIDI Footswitch Assignment screen, press [MIDI/SYNC] (numerical key 9) while holding [SHIFT] key down and then press MIDIsw[F3]. Here, you set which MIDI Control Change message to control for each switch at Ctrl: field and its function at Function: field. Note: Each Function is activated when the data value of 64 or more is received. However, TAP and PAD 01 to 16 will be turned on when the received value is 64 or more, and turned off when it is less. The assignable functions are as follows. PLAY STRT Same function as PLAY START key. PLAY Same function as PLAY key. STOP Same function as STOP key. REC+PLAY Same function as PLAY key press while holding REC key down. ODUB+PLAY Same function as PLAY key press while holding OVERDUB key down. REC/PUNCH Goes into PLAY from STOP mode, goes into REC (Punch-in) from PLAY mode or goes into PLAY (Punch-out) from REC mode. ODUB/PNCH Goes into PLAY from STOP mode, goes into OVERDUB (Punch-in) from PLAY mode or goes into PLAY (Punch-out) from OVERDUB mode. TAP Same function as TAP TEMPO key. PAD BANK Same function as PAD BANK key. PAD 01 to 16 Simulates the drum pad being pressed at full ve- locity. F1 to F6 Same function as Function key. The function varies according to the screen displayed at that time. Note: While recording the sequence, the Control Change messages as- signed for this MIDI Footswitch Assignment will not be recorded. Similarly, the recorded Control Change messages in the se- quence will be ignored in playback. The MIDI channel to receive these Control Change messages is set at MIDI Input Window (set cursor on MIDI channel field on Main Screen and press [OPEN WINDOW]). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 7 15:18:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA09098; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:18:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:18:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903072012.PAA12915@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Loopy CDs... Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:10:40 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y3vDO3.0.0x1.Dtjus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com wow!! what a score - 2 great loop-oriented CDs on the cheap!! hope the artists got their money..... $1.99 Jon Durant - silent extinction.. $3.99 Caryn Lin - tolerance for amb. Viva La UsedBin ---------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 7 15:33:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA11826; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:33:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:33:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903072013.PAA13532@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Musician mag?? Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:11:47 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RA8Nt.0.x-1.Fujus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > BTW, some here may have seen Electronic Musician's article this month on > sound editors. SoundEdit was mentioned and looked very cool from the hey - has anyone heard that Musician mag has gone down..???? is this true??? andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 7 18:04:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA16044; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:04:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:04:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990307164458.007d3880@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 16:44:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: new fellas In-Reply-To: References: <36E23286.96129174@sfsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ydb9A1.0._e2.56mus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:39 AM 3/7/99 -0800, you wrote: >kim > Kim, How about that revised Boomerang review that I sent you a while back? Could you use it? Jeff McLeod __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 7 20:13:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA25651; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:13:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:13:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "BOB HENRY" Organization: KNME-TV, University of New Mexico To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:06:36 GMT+7 Subject: (Fwd) Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <2579F45689A@knme1.unm.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"XAJTy3.0.l_4.LAous"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings- Really- I don't see a problem with "things", as it was called. Actually, to answer the question, it's effective and far simpler to use, than a computer. Oh, U may disagree, simply because U may already have a computer with software to do the task. But what it comes down to, is practicality. If U already have the computer and the software, just use that. However, not everybody has that advantage, simply because it's envogue (or of current trend). Computers are very prone to failures, like program lock-up. One thing's for sure- ya won't have the infamous Y2K problem everybody's so worried about with a real tape loop! There is also something to be said about doing and building things with your mind and hands, like restoring a classic car- do that with a computer! Basically, life doesn't (and shouldn't) revolve around the computer...life is REAL...Live it! Cheers, Bob H. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 7 20:34:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA05684; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:34:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:34:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990307164458.007d3880@pop.mindspring.com> References: <36E23286.96129174@sfsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 17:27:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: new fellas Resent-Message-ID: <"VioOm2.0.3t.bVous"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 2:44 PM -0800 3/7/99, Jeff & Vonda McLeod wrote: >At 02:39 AM 3/7/99 -0800, you wrote: >>kim >> > >Kim, > How about that revised Boomerang review that I sent you a while back? >Could you use it? >Jeff McLeod oh yeah, it's in the big pile of stuff to do for the site. The pile hasn't been getting any smaller lately, on account of me being really busy the past few months or away on assorted business excursions. That's why I need volunteers..... Thanks for reminding me about your review, that one's actually pretty easy....maybe I'll even get to it today.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 7 21:19:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA20038; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:19:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:19:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002201be6909$0e148300$5e1cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: Game of Dice Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:12:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01BE68DF.2408BA20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"LTzrL.0.eX4.-8pus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BE68DF.2408BA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I noticed Mr. Franco speaking of Aleatory music. Well those of us into = John Cage would definitely know what that is. I have lately been getting = more and more into the chance mode of things...with the universe and = about everything else. BTW, have any of you chance makers ever seen the film PI? I've recently = come across it and have found it incredible. If any of you are into Math = and Number Theory, i highly suggest seeing this film. One more thing...is there anyone on this list who has played the game = GO? I have found out about this through the film and have basically = become obsessed with it. If you know much about it or just want to speak = about it, please e-mail off the list. Sincerely, Jeff Collins http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html -----Original Message----- From: MARK FRANO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 6:05 PM Subject: Game of Dice =20 =20 I'll second the attraction to "live" looping. The spontanious = 'action and reaction dynamic' are for me are the joy of looping. I = initiate the sounds in an improvisational manner without too much of a = design . As they mingle, I mangle and bing badda bing they take on a = life force of their own. Sometimes I feel like Dr Frankenstien piecing = together sonic elements, then suddenly, "ITS ALIVE" My wife reminded me = of a term used alot in the 60's that is applicable to us loopers- = ALEATORY. From the latin 'alea' meaning game of dice. This term = describes a kind of uncomposed random music where chance is integral to = the finished composition. I'm no gambler but I love rollin the dice. Hi = Fi Bugs. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BE68DF.2408BA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I noticed Mr. Franco speaking of Aleatory = music. Well=20 those of us into John Cage would definitely know what that is. I have = lately=20 been getting more and more into the chance mode of things...with the = universe=20 and about everything else.
 
BTW, have any of you chance makers ever seen the film PI? I've = recently=20 come across it and have found it incredible. If any of you are into Math = and=20 Number Theory, i highly suggest seeing this film.
 
One more thing...is there anyone on this list who has played the = game GO? I=20 have found out about this through the film and have basically become = obsessed=20 with it. If you know much about it or just want to speak about it, = please e-mail=20 off the list.
 
Sincerely,
 
Jeff Collins
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 MARK FRANO <mfrano@plainfield.bypass.com= >
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com=20 <Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com>
Date:=20 Saturday, March 06, 1999 6:05 PM
Subject: Game of=20 Dice

I'll second the attraction to=20 "live" looping. The spontanious 'action and reaction = dynamic' are=20 for me are the joy of looping. I initiate the sounds in an = improvisational=20 manner without too much of a design . As they mingle, I mangle and = bing=20 badda bing they take on a life force of their own. Sometimes I feel = like Dr=20 Frankenstien piecing together sonic elements, then suddenly, = "ITS=20 ALIVE" My wife reminded me of a term used alot in the 60's that = is=20 applicable to us loopers- ALEATORY. From the latin 'alea' meaning = game of=20 dice. This term describes a kind of uncomposed random music where = chance is=20 integral to the finished composition. I'm no gambler but I love = rollin the=20 dice. Hi Fi Bugs.
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BE68DF.2408BA20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 7 21:39:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA25422; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:39:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:39:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: (Fwd) Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:18:30 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01be6909$f59298c0$25ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <2579F45689A@knme1.unm.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"GpxUQ2.0.iw4.0Fpus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I highly object to your judgement about computers not being part of real life. Just because they didn't exist when you were a kid doesn't make them less real. When your great-grandfather was a kid there were no cars! That doesn't mean that they are not as real to you as the horse-and-buggy. Doing and building with a computer? Take a class on building a computer from scratch, dude. It's very satisfying to see a computer work from the various parts you went to buy -- not less satisfying than restoring a classic car. Restoring! If you keep upgrading your computer, including motherboard, you'll be quite busy getting better and better performance from it. Don't inflict on others the concept that "life" is only what "you" think it is, dude. Our perspective of the Universe is far too tiny and insignificant for us to pretend others would think it is important -- only marginally interesting, that's all. That said, keep risking. Risk is where it's at. Every time I start a loop I'm risking my whole skill, my whole perspective on music and the arts -- I'm betting the thing will come to some acceptable fruition. Come to think of it, every time I drive on the highway I'm risking my life, right? Even on a restored classic car. Apart from that, I like your ideas about looping devices not suffering from Y2K problems. Y2K is far more dangerous than we all think. I've seen on the news people around the country are starting to take it more seriously. -----Original Message----- From: BOB HENRY [mailto:BOBH@knme1.unm.edu] Sent: Sunday 07 March 1999 10:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: (Fwd) Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com There is also something to be said about doing and building things with your mind and hands, like restoring a classic car- do that with a computer! Basically, life doesn't (and shouldn't) revolve around the computer...life is REAL...Live it! Cheers, Bob H. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 00:32:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA10424; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 00:32:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 00:32:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990308000124.0079b7c0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 00:01:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Devices versus computers for live looping In-Reply-To: <000d01be6909$f59298c0$25ceefd1@electra> References: <2579F45689A@knme1.unm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Pl1Jm3.0.KJ.PZrus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I rather enjoyed the irony of Bob H's comment about life not revolving around a computer being expressed via an online mailing list... :) Personally, I do agree with what a lot of you have said about looping devices being better suited for live performance than are computers, although I know there are many, many others who would have good reason to disagree; I'm seeing more and more laptops onstage in peoples' setups, and they seem to be working pretty well for them. Maybe some of you could share some pointers/anecdotes/horror stories gleaned from your experiences (good or bad) using computers in live performance, letting those of us with less live cyber-looping experience in on your secrets (hardware/software recommendations or caveats, technique, et cetera). In a lot of ways the difference between devices and computers is becoming increasingly moot as rackmount stuff makes greater use of more powerful microprocessors (and more memory) and computers feature more dependable (and portable) hardware and more user-friendly software. MIDI has done much to narrow the gap, especially in the area of user interface, but the dichotomy still exists nonetheless, both technologically and philosophically. Maybe it's just that we as users are loyal to that with which we're familiar, and are enthusiastic in sharing what's worked for us. The thread comparing classic car restoration to building a computer from scratch reminds me of a rhetorical question posed on NPR's Car Talk: If a car has ALL of its parts replaced one at a time over a period of years, is it still the same car? Now apply your answer to looping, factoring in sample entropy, noise buildup and signal processing... Repetition with the gradual introduction of extremely subtle change, kind of like a mantra; at what point does the original signal become something else? How long does it retain its essence? And does it matter whether these results are derived from a pair of Revoxes, an EDP, or a road-cased Pentium? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 03:23:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA30240; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 03:23:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 03:23:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990308081238.006a9a20@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:12:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Akai MPC 2000 Resent-Message-ID: <"Enc3I.0.qn6.eQuus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone interested in live playing of samples and MIDI sequences have to check out the new yamaha RM1x. It's a hardware sequencer with internal tone generator too. Apart for the shitty sounds (groove box type and quality) the LIVE sequencing capabilities of this machine are really incredible. Now you can really play your sampler via the RM1x, altering sounds, structure and parts of the songs all in real time. Plus 8 assignable knobs to tweak in real time all the parameters you want. ciao leo At 06.34 08/03/99 +1100, you wrote: >> Loopdy loops, One of the more interesting and extremely hifi >>machines available for looping is the Akai mpc2000. Certainly more >>designed for dj's, it is not as conducive to ambient looping but with 32 >>megs of RAM she's long on memory and is designed to loop samples. > >I would say the MPC2000 is more designed for studio/composition/live use >rather than for DJ's, other Akai tools such as the Remix16 (or s20) are >more aimed at DJs. > > >>I think it would be an excellent studio tool weather your looping beats >>or other noise. Alas, no footswitch makes it difficult to wield an >>intrument and interface easily with the MPC2000.Still an interesting >>candidate. Hi Fi Bugs. > >The MPC2000 OS version 1.5 added MIDI footswitch support, so you can >program a MIDI footswitch to make the MPC do what you want with your feet >while wielding your instrument in your hands. > >Simon >Canberra >AUSTRALIA > > > >From the MPC2000 OS1.5 manual update... > >MIDI Footswitch Assignment > >MIDI Control Change messages sent from the external MIDI devices to >MPC2000 can control the various functions of MPC2000. > > >Setting > >MIDI Footswitch Assignment is set in MIDI/SYNC mode. To access MIDI >Footswitch Assignment screen, press [MIDI/SYNC] (numerical key 9) while >holding [SHIFT] key down and then press MIDIsw[F3]. > >Here, you set which MIDI Control Change message to control for each switch >at Ctrl: field and its function at Function: field. > >Note: Each Function is activated when the data value of 64 or more is >received. However, TAP and PAD 01 to 16 will be turned on when >the received value is 64 or more, and turned off when it is less. > > >The assignable functions are as follows. > >PLAY STRT Same function as PLAY START key. >PLAY Same function as PLAY key. >STOP Same function as STOP key. >REC+PLAY Same function as PLAY key press while holding >REC key down. >ODUB+PLAY Same function as PLAY key press while holding >OVERDUB key down. >REC/PUNCH Goes into PLAY from STOP mode, goes into >REC (Punch-in) from PLAY mode or goes into >PLAY (Punch-out) from REC mode. >ODUB/PNCH Goes into PLAY from STOP mode, goes into >OVERDUB (Punch-in) from PLAY mode or goes >into PLAY (Punch-out) from OVERDUB mode. >TAP Same function as TAP TEMPO key. >PAD BANK Same function as PAD BANK key. >PAD 01 to 16 Simulates the drum pad being pressed at full ve- >locity. >F1 to F6 Same function as Function key. The function >varies according to the screen displayed at that >time. > >Note: While recording the sequence, the Control Change messages as- >signed for this MIDI Footswitch Assignment will not be recorded. >Similarly, the recorded Control Change messages in the se- >quence will be ignored in playback. > > >The MIDI channel to receive these Control Change messages is set at MIDI >Input Window (set cursor on MIDI channel field on Main Screen and press >[OPEN WINDOW]). > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 03:41:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA03161; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 03:41:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 03:41:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Devices versus computers for live looping Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 00:30:37 -0800 Message-ID: <000001be693d$f1913720$37ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990308000124.0079b7c0@pop.ici.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"moeOA.0.69.shuus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I highly agree with this point, that there should be no difference when regarding how a loop is created, whether via a dedicated hardware device such as the EDP, or some new-fangled software program in a laptop computer maybe two years down the road. Bottom line here is the user interface. Kind of it doesn't matter which car you get into: All cars have a gas pedal, a break pedal, a transmission control and a speed gauge -- you do the rest. If only looping devices were so similarly configured! On the other hand, we are in a period of discovery, I think, when hardware and software developers are getting a feel for what are the best controls to have, what are the controls that matter most. As for the mantra qualities of a loop, I thought I liked looping precisely because of the interaction between many signals producing a total signal which is equal to more than just the sum of the parts. Maybe that's too many words to say that, but, bottom line, there is a curious transcendence when faced with what you play coming back in the loop, and then being faced with how that affects you and what you play next. Not only does the first signal sound different, now you feel different. It does remind me of how different I feel driving down the highway at 55mph than when I'm driving down the highway doing 80mph. (Hey, nobody saw me or heard me talk about this.) There must be something similar in speed and looping. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] Sent: Monday 08 March 1999 12:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Devices versus computers for live looping The thread comparing classic car restoration to building a computer from scratch reminds me of a rhetorical question posed on NPR's Car Talk: If a car has ALL of its parts replaced one at a time over a period of years, is it still the same car? Now apply your answer to looping, factoring in sample entropy, noise buildup and signal processing... Repetition with the gradual introduction of extremely subtle change, kind of like a mantra; at what point does the original signal become something else? How long does it retain its essence? And does it matter whether these results are derived from a pair of Revoxes, an EDP, or a road-cased Pentium? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 04:00:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA08758; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 04:00:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 04:00:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001be693d$f1913720$37ceefd1@electra> References: <3.0.5.32.19990308000124.0079b7c0@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 00:53:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Devices versus computers for live looping Resent-Message-ID: <"YeAO92.0.3j1.k1vus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:30 AM -0800 3/8/99, Javier Miranda V. wrote: > It does remind me of how different I feel driving down the highway >at 55mph >than when I'm driving down the highway doing 80mph. (Hey, nobody saw me or >heard me talk about this.) > There must be something similar in speed and looping. well, I can't drive 55mph, I can't drive 65mph, I can't drive 75mph, and I can only barely stand 85mph. You must be one of the people I pass every day. :-) (All you CHP officers out there, my car is a red ford. ;-) Any other loop nuts with a speed (er, velocity) addiction? hmm, I actually have plenty to say on this overall thing/software/pc topic, but no time to say it. sad, maybe I'll catch up someday....maybe at 95.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 04:08:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA10775; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 04:08:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 04:08:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:57:53 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903080857.JAA14198@mail.euroweb.hu> X-Sender: absolute@mail.datanet.hu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mailto: From: adam davidovics Subject: EVENTIDE? Resent-Message-ID: <"ebGwu3.0.9y1.z4vus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com HELLO GUYS! im about to buy a new fx processor. i have a tc electronic g-force, and now considering to get the m5000, but i've heard about this EVENTIDE too. i need SPECIAL FX mainly, not reverbs or such. eventide had this dsp4000, then the dsp4500 and now some ORLA. anyone has these or had experience with? i am totally curious. a/d From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 04:11:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA11889; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 04:11:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 04:11:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Stevaum@aol.com Message-ID: <64390187.36e38f2f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 03:49:51 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Any Video Loopers? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 53 Resent-Message-ID: <"s4a-R.0.tU1.yzuus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I introduced myself a few weeks ago as a new member to Loopers Delight, and inquired if anyone had done any looping with reel-to-reel video. I received no replies, so I thought I would ask once more! ANYONE WORKED WITH VIDEO LOOPS? I have done extensive work in both video and audio using various looping techniques, and welcome all inquiries and exchanges of experiences. Thanx, sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO - visual arts, including video looping & feedback Pupaum - audio art and music, including analog & digital looping You may view my computer art at: sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 04:32:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA17064; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 04:32:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 04:32:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 03:24:16 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990308032156.008eabb0@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 03:21:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: RE: Devices versus computers for live looping In-Reply-To: References: <000001be693d$f1913720$37ceefd1@electra> <3.0.5.32.19990308000124.0079b7c0@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1afyh.0.ig3.fTvus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim is right. The primary issue here is user interface. I have looked at a number of DJ-type 'loopers' like the Roland 808 and the Yamaha SU700. The major limitation that these devices have in a live performance is that in order to use them I would need to take my hands off of my guitar! This seems to be even more of a problem with the PC based software programs I have used. The secondary problem with these devices is that they require you to be far to deterministic about the content of your loops. I love the freedom that the Jam Man allows in composing textures (especially with the multiple simultaneous stereo loops)., and I often transferr these to the computer for use as resource elements for more cerebral compositional methods. Keeping both hands on the guitar is as important as keeping both hands on the handlebars. BTW, I chickened out last year and backed off the throttle once the spedometer on my Ducati passed 145mph.....now I can't afford to speed any more.... -Chuck Zwicky At 12:53 AM 3/8/99 -0800, you wrote: >At 12:30 AM -0800 3/8/99, Javier Miranda V. wrote: >> It does remind me of how different I feel driving down the highway >>at 55mph >>than when I'm driving down the highway doing 80mph. (Hey, nobody saw me or >>heard me talk about this.) >> There must be something similar in speed and looping. > >well, I can't drive 55mph, I can't drive 65mph, I can't drive 75mph, and I >can only barely stand 85mph. You must be one of the people I pass every >day. :-) (All you CHP officers out there, my car is a red ford. ;-) Any >other loop nuts with a speed (er, velocity) addiction? > >hmm, I actually have plenty to say on this overall thing/software/pc topic, >but no time to say it. sad, maybe I'll catch up someday....maybe at 95.... > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > ........................................................................... But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on computers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 08:39:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA16290; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:39:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:39:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990308070720.0079f100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 07:07:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Any Video Loopers? In-Reply-To: <64390187.36e38f2f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QXOgh3.0.Kd5.boxus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Do you accompany your live music with prepared video looping or can you do live video looping with the audio content coming off the tape? (ie; how much overlap is there between siys and pupaum?) What type(s) of interface do you use? How do you mix your inputs or introduce changes to your video loops? Is the source material "found" or are you using cameras (or some combination)? Is there a variety of commercially-available signal processing hard/software that's useful for this sort of application, or did you have to make/modify your stuff? I kind of get the feeling that this may be straying off-topic, but I certainly see it as analogous to this list, and it's certainly intriguing... Great website, too. Tim At 03:49 AM 3/8/99 EST, you wrote: >I introduced myself a few weeks ago as a new member to Loopers Delight, and >inquired if anyone had done any looping with reel-to-reel video. I received no >replies, so I thought I would ask once more! ANYONE WORKED WITH VIDEO LOOPS? >I have done extensive work in both video and audio using various looping >techniques, and welcome all inquiries and exchanges of experiences. > >Thanx, >sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO - visual arts, including video looping & feedback >Pupaum - audio art and music, including analog & digital looping > >You may view my computer art at: > >sTeVo iN yR >sTuDiO > >http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 09:14:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA24325; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:14:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:14:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903081232.HAA06092@mail-out-1.tiac.net> Subject: Re: Loopy CDs... Date: Mon, 8 Mar 99 07:41:00 -0500 x-sender: jdurant@pop.tiac.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: jdurant To: "Loopers" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"mBqpH2.0.pY7.9Eyus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >what a score - 2 great loop-oriented CDs on the cheap!! >hope the artists got their money..... > >$1.99 Jon Durant - silent extinction.. >$3.99 Caryn Lin - tolerance for amb. Cool! I can't even get Silent Extinction for that!!! (Well, OK, it was a coupla cents cheaper, but not many when you add it all up.) Oh, and I've got a shameless plug: I've just mastered (at David Torn's) my new CD, "Anatomy of a Wish." Featuring Tony Levin (Bass, Stick, Electric Upright), Vinny Sabatino (Percussion, Drums), and Michael Manring (Fretless Bass on one cut), the new CD is (imo) my best work yet. I'm really excited about it. It'll be shipping from Alchemy in early-mid April, in stores May 11 (or thereabouts). Later, Jon Durant From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 09:38:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA29580; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:38:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:38:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:25:24 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990308033003.0079e630@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 03:30:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: EVENTIDE? In-Reply-To: <199903080857.JAA14198@mail.euroweb.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pzWkW3.0.e63.p_yus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The DSP 4000 has some amazing looping tools in it. Each patch is a unique algorhythm, in other words there are no preset algorhythms, just the building blocks. It is really amazing. There is a free editor which runs from a PC on their web page. The cost of the device is around $4000. At 09:57 AM 3/8/99 +0100, you wrote: >HELLO GUYS! > >im about to buy a new fx processor. > >i have a tc electronic g-force, and now considering to get the m5000, >but i've heard about this EVENTIDE too. > >i need SPECIAL FX mainly, not reverbs or such. > >eventide had this dsp4000, then the dsp4500 and now some ORLA. > >anyone has these or had experience with? > >i am totally curious. > > >a/d > > > ........................................................................... But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on computers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 09:38:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA29518; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:38:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:38:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E3CF9A.1180464@Buddhas.de> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:24:42 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EVENTIDE? References: <199903080857.JAA14198@mail.euroweb.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 320024095934-0001@t-online.de From: Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de (Manfred Bohnhoff) Resent-Message-ID: <"nlvOg2.0.0a3.-6zus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Adam, I personally cast an eye on the t.c. fireworx and wonder why this one is not on your list. Did you compare it to the M5000 and what would your comment be? Manfred adam davidovics wrote: > HELLO GUYS! > > im about to buy a new fx processor. > > i have a tc electronic g-force, and now considering to get the m5000, > but i've heard about this EVENTIDE too. > > i need SPECIAL FX mainly, not reverbs or such. > > eventide had this dsp4000, then the dsp4500 and now some ORLA. > > anyone has these or had experience with? > > i am totally curious. > > a/d From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 09:39:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA29764; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:39:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:39:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990308134418.25178.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.40.5.57] From: "Philipp Zuercher" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: loop'n'acousticguitar Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 05:44:18 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"EwEyT3.0.GP4.wHzus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com everyone interested in looped guitar music between jazz and 20th century classical living in or near the western part of switzerland should not miss the ZURRIGO SOLO performance on the 11th of Marchat the PIANISSIMO, Lausanne (21.30H) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 09:53:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA00434; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:53:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:53:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE6948.F9811260@tor-usr30.060025.aracnet.net> From: Jon Grant To: "Loopers-Delight (E-mail)" Subject: MPEG3 films? Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:48:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"2lvAc3.0.1O5.BYzus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Many people on this list seem to be avid Internet Wanderers. I am = curious about any sites people have found including MPEG3-format video. = I am sick and tired of what RealAudio does to media playback. = Videophiles speak out! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 10:13:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA06586; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:13:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:13:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903081428.JAA28684@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Devices versus computers for live looping Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:26:38 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_wjS62.0.zf6.hwzus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > they seem to be working pretty well for them. Maybe some of you could share > some pointers/anecdotes/horror stories gleaned from your experiences (good > or bad) using computers in live performance, letting those of us with less > live cyber-looping experience in on your secrets (hardware/software > recommendations or caveats, technique, et cetera). .. i once saw Jaron Lanier do a great show at the knit/nyc, when he brought a flowing, eclectic , unique sounding show to it's kness by wasting a LOT of time trying to get some software to work; the sftwr was supposed to have his woodwind notes trigger some 3D animation on a stageside monitor. hmmm.. basically it way crossed the line - he was getting very stressed out (not fun to watch...) and it really wasn't needed - the crowd was loving what was happening and the reaction of the crowd was palpable - "use the computer, don't let it use you.." andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 10:29:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA11132; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:29:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:29:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36E3E55B.F92@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:57:31 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Devices versus computers for live looping References: <2579F45689A@knme1.unm.edu> <3.0.5.32.19990308000124.0079b7c0@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Kd1UC3.0.b6.TH-us"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, now I gotta' open my mouth. I guess it's Monday and I've drank a good bit of coffee... Tim Nelson wrote: > > In a lot of ways the difference between devices and computers is becoming > increasingly moot as rackmount stuff makes greater use of more powerful > microprocessors (and more memory) and computers feature more dependable > (and portable) hardware and more user-friendly software. Just to be technical, my EDP HAS a computer in it (some kind of 68000, I think, plus a DSP probably). In fact my EDP IS a kind of computer. It's just special purpose. What's essentially different between say an EDP (or Jamman, I suppose) and a general purpose computer running looper software is two things (IMHO): 1) looper devices have a better real-time interface, 2) looper software is dedicated to the mission and so can guarentee adequate real-time response. Both of these issues could be solved for general purpose computers permitting them to duplicate looper devices. For example, 1) add a MIDI card to a laptop and duplicate the functionality of the EDP or Jamman switches via MIDI footpedals, 2) at an extreme, discard the computer's OS entirely or run something simple (DOS?). I'm surprised nobody has done this yet... > > The thread comparing classic car restoration to building a computer from > scratch reminds me of a rhetorical question posed on NPR's Car Talk: If a > car has ALL of its parts replaced one at a time over a period of years, is > it still the same car? Not rhetorical for us living beings! Consider that this happens to US. Many of the atoms that compose our bodies are replaced over time. We are literally not the same person we were a year ago. I remember reading an estimate of how long this process takes, i.e., how long before every atom in our body is replaced; it's a surprising short time. Yet my memories remain (for the most part) intact. Spooky! Humm, come to recall, perhaps the "replacement time" was talking about our nervous system only. I can't recall exactly! - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 15:30:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA22228; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:30:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:30:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990308070720.0079f100@pop.ici.net> References: <64390187.36e38f2f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:19:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Any Video Loopers? Resent-Message-ID: <"9ucrj.0.4J1.VA2vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Do you accompany your live music with prepared video looping or can you do >live video looping with the audio content coming off the tape? (ie; how >much overlap is there between siys and pupaum?) What type(s) of interface >do you use? How do you mix your inputs or introduce changes to your video >loops? Is the source material "found" or are you using cameras (or some >combination)? Is there a variety of commercially-available signal >processing hard/software that's useful for this sort of application, or did >you have to make/modify your stuff? > >I kind of get the feeling that this may be straying off-topic, but I >certainly see it as analogous to this list, and it's certainly >intriguing... Great website, too. In this vein, ten years ago when I did Feedback Music performances I hooked up an oscilloscope to my L&R outputs to get Lissajou (sp?, sorry) patterns which my video buddy trained his camera on. He colorized, etc., and displayed that output on a small monitor which had a second camera on it. The video feedback loops were pretty cool and looked great when we projected them in accompaniment to the live Feedback Music and ITS loops. That said, I'm sure there must be computer software nowadays which creates nifty realtime video output from audio sources. Anyone know of any, especially Mac freeware or shareware? One of these days I'd like to perform again, and twisting knobs (or moving a mouse) sure doesn't make for an enthralling show.... David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 15:30:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA22200; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:30:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:30:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE6959.C8155680.stevehan@transworld-lax.com> From: Steve Han Reply-To: "stevehan@transworld-lax.com" To: "'mhl21@columbia.edu'" Cc: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Morgan's "things" vs. programs Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:40:09 -0800 Organization: Transworld Freight Systems X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N7lLI.0.M63.Xh2vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Morgan, (as per your message at the bottom) I believe the key to the "technical feasibility" you have inquired about is "compatibility" between users, contributors and their systems, referring to both software and the power of their hardware. All of the "players" will have to run the same program, such as Cubase VST/24, or latest version 4.0 for Mac or 3.6b for PC users, 4.0 for PC users soon to be released during this summer which incorporates "drag and drop" feature among many other improvements such as practically unlimited tracks of Audio and MIDI, or as much as your hard drive can handle and 64 channels of Digital Audio Playback, 96 channels of DAP for VST/24. For more info, check out: www.us.steinberg.net or in Europe: www.steinberg.net Once the time has been set to meet online, all the players would link into the "host" room, like a chat room except you are logging on directly into his Cubase VST program with option to send text messages as well as your .WAV loops that you have just created, as the session is occuring. Demo at NAMM even had visual link-up between players ! Each loop(s) will appear spontaneously in real time as the players compose and submit their loops to the host. The host's Cubase VST program will then receive the loops and adapt it to the current BPM and Key of the evolving song. The host (in this case, the master mixer) will treat the loops, multiplying them, applying effects and mastering effects. I suppose if the session is to be mastered and printed for sale/promotion, the participating players would have a "copyright" and "royalty distribution" already worked out but that tecnical aspect of the process was probably not even on the player's minds as they seemed to be having so much fun just creating with their buddies from all around the world. So much technology coming our way, I'm getting dizzy ! (now if I could just win the Lottery, 2, 34, 6, 19, 44, 22.....) Steve (Curbie) -----Original Message----- From: Morgan Lang [SMTP:mhl21@columbia.edu] Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 12:04 PM To: stevehan@transworld-lax.com Subject: Re: "things" vs. programs Hi Steve: Thanks for your great answer. I'm getting lots of good replies from smart people who take the time to think about this stuff. I'm curious about the scenario you proposed in your message, excerpted below. Is there any useful information out there regarding the technical feasibility of such future collaborations? Thanks, MHL. > Talking about Looping with Computers, we will now be able to > compose music with our buddies in other cities and countries > using the internet, like joining in in a chat room except you > are contributing your own loops into the song which would > be developing right in front your eyes, in real time. > > For example, I would create a drum loop and send it to > the progressing mix, then my buddy in London would compose > a guitar loop and send it on, then another Loop from Japan, > and so forth, mostlikely in wav files. And then a Master Mixer > would manipulate it all for a final mix down. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 16:14:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA00616; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:14:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:14:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990308144211.008303d0@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:42:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: Are computers "real life?" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-A0dZ2.0.1S6.fT3vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Sunday March 7, Javier Miranda V. wrote the following in response to a message by Bob H.: >I highly object to your judgement about computers not being part of real >life. Just because they didn't exist when you were a kid doesn't make them >less real. When your great-grandfather was a kid there were no cars! That >doesn't mean that they are not as real to you as the horse-and-buggy. > Don't inflict on others the concept that "life" is only what "you" think it >is, dude. > I think Javier could have done without the sarcistic "dude" salutation, but I agree with him that technology is quite fundamental in determining what constitutes "life" or "living." And this is at times unfortunate, as Bob H. points out. I can reconcile, I believe, their two points of view. Evidence of Javier's assertion is that Generation X was raised on personal interaction with screens (TV, computer, etc.) The generation is pigeonholed (probably incorrectly) as "slackers," etc. I think a more accurate portrayal is something like "withdrawn." It is a generation that has to grapple with the conflicting messages that they are the first generation in a while to face a more bleak economic outlook than that of their parents, yet they grew up in a culture of (fictitious) "choice", and entitlement, as Peter Sacks so aptly points out in his book "Generation X Goes to College." There is a growing sentiment that people spending so much time on computers have lost the art of personal face-to-face interaction, a point I think Bob H. would agree with. Such is life. Not to let earlier generations off the hook, "Boomers" and the Cold War conservative generation who grew up worshipping the automobile and suburubia are sealed off from others in the journey-to-work/shop/recreate/etc. They grew up believing that ". . .your car is your image." Talk about selfishness: The automobile has done at least as much to promote spatial balkanization than computers. But in the post modern world, "life" with both of the above mentioned technologies is, in fact, "living." Billions of dollars of corporate marketing make sure of that. We dehumanize others when we drive to the strip shopping centers, because we relate to them as moving vehicles more than we relate to them as human beings. But, we are living as we do this. We relate to each other in cyberspace, via our TV and computer screens, often with more thoughtfulness than we do when we are face-to-face with other humans, especially strangers. That is the post modern nature of living. What does this mean for music? That is for each of us to decide. I would only suggest we understand the structural imperatives of technology, especially the flow of the money, and the role that the quest for profit-maximization plays in setting the parameters of "life" or "living." I personally regret having bought MIDI stuff, and am having more fun making imperfect improvised real-time loopings, and making mistakes with my bass when recording in live trio and quartet settings. Such is life. ================================================================ Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Department of Social Sciences Texas A&M International University Laredo, TX 78041 U.S.A. Telephone: (956)326-2634 Office; (956)326-2464 FAX E-Mail myoder@tamiu.edu Web Page: http://tamiu.edu/~myoder/ ================================================================ "English ideas about property have given us both the Bill of Rights and the industrial slum." (Archibald C. Coolidge, Jr.) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 16:14:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA00705; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:14:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:14:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990308204142.20376.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [199.201.236.34] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Any Video Loopers? Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:41:42 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"__Ucc1.0.H56.FP3vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There is some program I heard about called VJamm, that Coldcut developed. I personally have not checked this out, but from what I have seen done with it at their shows, and shows by EBN, I'm very impressed. You can get a free demo off the Ninja Tune website, or on Coldcut's new album "Let Us Re-Play." I've also seen the full program advertised for $75.........sounds to me like a good deal! -Dan >That said, I'm sure there must be computer software nowadays which >creates >nifty realtime video output from audio sources. Anyone know of any, >especially Mac freeware or shareware? One of these days I'd like to >perform again, and twisting knobs (or moving a mouse) sure doesn't >make for >an enthralling show.... >David Myers ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 16:17:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA01296; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:17:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:17:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Any Video Loopers? Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:56:12 -0800 Message-ID: <003601be69a6$1a4a5800$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"2W5VM1.0.Ey6.Ka3vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sonique , http://www.sonique.com a buggy but 21st century looking does some cool stuff with mp3s and wavs. There is also pschedelic screensaver, which works off your cd player. Pyschdelic is very cool, but I doesn't seem to synch up much to music. Not exactly what you are looking for, but I thought that you might be interested. bIz > That said, I'm sure there must be computer software nowadays > which creates > nifty realtime video output from audio sources. Anyone know of any, > especially Mac freeware or shareware? One of these days I'd like to > perform again, and twisting knobs (or moving a mouse) sure > doesn't make for > an enthralling show.... > > David Myers > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 16:32:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA05225; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:32:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:32:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRxD99JeH6O7Mk8l+f3o4L1K295eAIULLuvHn2iZysWCb/Tlf9JImxCP5Q= From: vimana@webtv.net (vimana) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:26:00 -0600 (CST) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: vg8 Message-ID: <20033-36E43258-95@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"eNiIM2.0.QE5.2A3vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anybody use a roland v-g8 i just picked up a used one and it sounds like crap,what am i doing wrong?cant wait to go loopingmad through a jamman, From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 17:03:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA12641; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:03:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:03:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:29:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903082129.QAA02638@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: vg8 Resent-Message-ID: <"NP_IZ2.0.e41.F54vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know what you're doing, so I don't know what you're doing wrong or right, but I use a VG8 and I love it. I have no problem with the sounds I get from it. I suggest going to VG8.com and checking out the archives of the list there for ideas. I run mine through the PA as its full range and guitar amps color the sound a bit too much. (I run the VG8 into a Mackie 1202 that feeds two loopers, a JamMan and an Echoplex, as well as a Rolands RPS-10---so much for looping content!) Frank Gerace Dreamchild At 02:26 PM 3/8/99 -0600, you wrote: >anybody use a roland v-g8 i just picked up a used one and it sounds like >crap,what am i doing wrong?cant wait to go loopingmad through a jamman, > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 17:14:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA16071; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:14:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:14:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990308213601.20011.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:36:01 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: OT:Any Video Loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"WIq1M.0.7N1.z94vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Warning, contains no actual looper content. ---David Myers wrote: > In this vein, ten years ago when I did Feedback Music performances I hooked > up an oscilloscope to my L&R outputs to get Lissajou (sp?, sorry) patterns > which my video buddy trained his camera on. Yes, in the 1970s (and the last few weeks) we created Lissajous' patterns using 2 MOOG synths (or recordings of same) feeding 2 amp channels, each driving a voice coil actuator that moves a front surface mirror. One mirror moves angularly in the x axis, one mirror moves in the y axis. Project a laser beam from 1 mirror to the other, then to a wall or ceiling for projected Lissajous patterns. Years ago we used he-ne lasers, which are both large and fragile. Todays solid state laser diodes are a low cost, small source of point light. The moogs allow more complex waveforms than the traditionally used sine waves, and thus can create much more complicated images. The limited bandwidth of the voice coil/mirror assembly requires that you keep the fundamental frequency of the signals rather low (up to a few hundred hz). Interestingly, in the 1800's Jules Antoine Lissajous also projected these images, using light projected to mirrors on vibrating objects (like tuning forks, projected to a screen to study beat frequencies. Was this the first sound/light show? bret _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 17:30:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA20123; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:30:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:30:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:05:00 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903082205.XAA15157@mail.euroweb.hu> X-Sender: absolute@mail.datanet.hu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: adam davidovics Subject: Re: EVENTIDE? Resent-Message-ID: <"eusBB1.0.3K3.1d4vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:24 PM 3/8/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Adam, > >I personally cast an eye on the t.c. fireworx and wonder why this one is >not on your list. Did you compare it to the M5000 and what would your >comment be? > >Manfred yeah. i understand your problem. look, i take great care to use as many DIFFERENT gear as possible. since i have a TC G-FOrce which is quite similar to the Fireworx (i think the GForce is a stronger hardware anyway) i consider getting either an M5000, but i have no chance to test an Eventide. Therefore i'd like to hear some opinions on these. in my past email i've listed the fx units i have experience with. i have a lot more cheap fx too anyway, but i look for something xpensive. i can spend about $5000 for a new fx. a/d From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 17:48:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA25672; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:48:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:48:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Javier Miranda V.'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Devices vs. Computer for live looping Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:08:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"5HYnM3.0.ql3.ai4vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My hypothesis on the Devices vs. Computer's for Looping -- it mostly depends on where you start evolving to looping from and incrementally adding looping capabilities to your set-up. 1) Device Approach Example: Many looping-folk have been playing instruments / performing music for a while. So, they have equipment already (amp's, speakers, effects, etc...). And they're incrementally adding and removing elements from set-ups all the time. So, adding looping capabilities via a "device" approach (with stomp-boxes and rack-mount effects) is *just like what they're mostly doing already*. Except instead of adding a fuzz or a multi-efects unit, we're adding something dedicated to looping capabilities. It's a pattern these people know and follow already. Adding a computer to these set-ups is not obvious. 2) Computer Approach Example: Recently, looping folk are increasingly coming to the process from a "home-recording" or a "sequencer/controler" background that is enabled from developments using computers and hard-disc capabilities. These people are buying "plug-ins" and incrementally extending capabilities via software updates. So, buying a piece of software dedicated to looping to run on their existing platform fits their purchase patterns and follows their usage patterns. Adding a stomp-box to these set-ups is not likely. Rarely do people throw-out all their equipment and build a new set-up from scratch. I feel I'm dramatically stating the obvious. dk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 18:28:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA03381; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:28:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:28:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E457FD.C8922D45@dial.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 23:06:37 +0000 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: video from audio References: <199903082127.QAA03903@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kRbfj1.0.5F7.4T5vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Dave, check out cthuga, (sorry I dont have the url, use a search) It's billed as an oscilloscope on acid - trippy patterns alright! I think it runs on macs as well as PC's > > That said, I'm sure there must be computer software nowadays which creates > nifty realtime video output from audio sources. Anyone know of any, > especially Mac freeware or shareware? David Myers Incidentally I use a computer live. I consider its flexibility worth the hassle of carting it around. It has a real time MIDI, (assignable) interface, 8 ins and outs, loads of separate stereo delay llines and you can use VST plugins too. Of course it crashes now and then but when it does it carries on processing so the music doesn't stop, you simply have to draw to a close. This hasn't happened live though - yet !) GARETH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 19:53:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA01605; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:53:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:53:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E4666F.D95C8AF1@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:08:15 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Any Video Loopers? References: <64390187.36e38f2f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MKp3Y2.0.054.6T6vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > That said, I'm sure there must be computer software nowadays which creates > nifty realtime video output from audio sources. Anyone know of any, > especially Mac freeware or shareware? One of these days I'd like to > perform again, and twisting knobs (or moving a mouse) sure doesn't make for > an enthralling show.... > > David Myers I seem to remember a shareware screen saver for the mac that had some nifty sound-to-vision parameters (although via mac's built in mike only i think) sorry, cant remember the name of the thing... try shareware.com under mac screen saver.. the reason i don't have it anymore was an extremely viscious "send in your shareware fee" message every 3 seconds or so (well i would if i could actually see what was going on...) brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 20:10:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA25986; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:17:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:17:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D485@MIGAREXCH01> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:28:53 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"L7OTu2.0.7t2.fa0vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com and, i don't think that the meatball is in beta as i own one. stig > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Zwicky [SMTP:chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com] > Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 20:04 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? > > Way huge is now defunkt. > > At 09:18 PM 3/5/99 -0800, you wrote: > >I understand the Lovetone Meatball is still beta at this point, and that > >the factory's 4 to 6 months behind on Way Huge Swollen Pickle (WHSP) > orders. > > > >At 06:29 PM 3/5/99 -0500, you wrote: > >>Sorry! It's "SoundMaker", not "SoundEdit". Damn, it's kind of the > "Fatal > >>Attraction" syndrome... how about some more unique names for software > >>stuff, like Way Huge Swollen Pickle or Lovetone Meatball, fer chrissake? > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > .......................................................................... > . > But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on > computers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 20:37:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA11693; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:37:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:37:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990308201524.00795900@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: leper@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 20:15:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "earthblind, starbound" Subject: new Grendel song on the web: "Taps for a Dead Channel" In-Reply-To: <199902220807.DAA22578@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YGM3E1.0.V-1.RQ7vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's a new song by Grendel up for you to download if interested. "Taps for a Dead Channel." "Taps" starts out as an ambient song and then builds to an orgasmic frenzy. Hey, I knew you'd like that. A surprisingly accessible frenzy, as well, for me at least. We'll see how well it works. Many of the sonic textures on this song are my voice, heavily looped and processed, but sounds are also provided by keyboard, flute, and someone who is not me playing guitar. Looping done with Acid and Fruity Loops (and more and more I realize how insanely limited and annoying Acid is, but so far there's no competing program that does the same thing). -- *Consider yourself warned.* -- Grendel (Industrial/Electronic Prog): http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664/grendel.html Against a Sickness: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 8 21:57:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA31837; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:57:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:57:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:03:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: EVENTIDE? Resent-Message-ID: <"E7ozJ2.0.eC6.lZ8vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 3/8/99 Adam D. wrote..... > >i have a lot more cheap fx too anyway, but i look for something xpensive. >i can spend about $5000 for a new fx. > > >a/d Come on over to my house......just kidding. I picked up an Eventide H330 D/SE last year and love it. These boxes are very very deep. I just wish I had more time to dig into it. I also have a G-force, but I turn to my Eventide much more often. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT "fascinating aural images...luminous portraits of sound & vision..." Outburn 8 www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 01:07:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA09483; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:07:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:07:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990309050526.25883.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:05:26 -0800 (PST) From: H IP Subject: Re: EVENTIDE? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"6tUPs.0.cu6.ZlAvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know that money is not a problem to you. But just take a look on the Korg AM8000R. I think it's got some distinctive sounds in it although it's cheap. I have one and I love it. ---adam davidovics wrote: > > At 02:24 PM 3/8/99 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi Adam, > > > >I personally cast an eye on the t.c. fireworx and wonder why this one is > >not on your list. Did you compare it to the M5000 and what would your > >comment be? > > i have a lot more cheap fx too anyway, but i look for something xpensive. > i can spend about $5000 for a new fx. > > a/d _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 04:58:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA04468; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 04:58:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 04:58:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Anthony Mullen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Any Video Loopers? Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:34:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"Jp_th.0.7m7.hiEvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Coldcut developed some video looping tools. Their single Hexstatic was a CD-rom and contained a lot of videos allegedly made using live video looping. In fact from the sleeve notes it seems that they took this out on tour with them and it proved successful. There's a film called 'Heavy Rotation' which uses music (Tortoise/Coldcut/Autechre) and digital imagery to create - oh I dunno - vibes (they call it a interplay between sound and vision). Dunno if this is looping strictly but the flavour is at least there. Check some Coldcut sites because I'm sure they were looking to license the technology... Seems like the artists are making the best tools these days..... Let me know how you get on if you find anything - a digest summary of image looping would be good;) btw - I'm Anthony - hello all - and hi Kim from the dnb mailing list. ---------- From: Stevaum@aol.com[SMTP:Stevaum@aol.com] Sent: 08 March 1999 08:50 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Any Video Loopers? I introduced myself a few weeks ago as a new member to Loopers Delight, and inquired if anyone had done any looping with reel-to-reel video. I received no replies, so I thought I would ask once more! ANYONE WORKED WITH VIDEO LOOPS? I have done extensive work in both video and audio using various looping techniques, and welcome all inquiries and exchanges of experiences. Thanx, sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO - visual arts, including video looping & feedback Pupaum - audio art and music, including analog & digital looping You may view my computer art at: sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 05:23:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA10521; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 05:23:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 05:23:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Devices vs. Computer for live looping Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:56:03 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01be6a13$0b3b2160$21ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"f6f6U.0.201.42Fvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I like your observation about people's habits in purchasing hardware. Indeed, I'd like to have something added to my computer rather than adding another separate piece of hardware. On the other hand, as Kim has reminded us in the past, a separate piece of hardware like the EDP does function more reliably and speedily than a plug in on my computer. My point again, if I may, is that eventually we'll have supercomputers (comparing to our Pentia) which will behave 10 times faster than any separate piece of hardware, and we won't be talking about separate hardware as opposed to software or hardware installed in our computers. Further, I can see that, as we continue to see more and better outboard protocols and systems, such as USB, and the upcoming Ethernet-like MIDI, that we will begin thinking of the "computer" as the collection of separate devices of which we make use. Indeed, someone on the list a few days ago was drooling while talking about having a future EDP rapidly dumping to HDD a loop, even pulling from and saving to disk several loops during a performance! Makes me drool too... For example, I don't consider my "computer" to be just the box with the motherboard and the CPU, etc. -- it includes my monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, CDWriter, scanner, printer and, through MIDI, I think it now includes my synthesisers and MIDI sound-processing gear; this whole collection is my "computer." As computers continue to include outboard equipment, the line between "dedicated hardware" and "computers" becomes ever blurrier. But as you dramatically point out, as it is right now, people do have to make a choice about which way to go, either stompboxes-like devices, or computer "plug-in's." I happen to agree with Kim that, for looping, and as computer hardware stands today, a separate, dedicated looping device such as the EDP is best. -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:DKirkdorffer@exapps.com] Sent: Monday 08 March 1999 2:08 PM To: 'Javier Miranda V.'; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Devices vs. Computer for live looping My hypothesis on the Devices vs. Computer's for Looping -- it mostly depends on where you start evolving to looping from and incrementally adding looping capabilities to your set-up. 1) Device Approach 2) Computer Approach I feel I'm dramatically stating the obvious. dk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 05:25:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA11077; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 05:25:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 05:25:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: new Grendel song on the web: "Taps for a Dead Channel" Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:56:15 -0800 Message-ID: <000f01be6a13$12453180$21ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990308201524.00795900@pop.mindspring.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"gXkUq.0.511.D2Fvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You gotta get the "hang" of Acid, man. It's tricky in the beginning, but it is really versatile, I think. -----Original Message----- From: earthblind, starbound [mailto:leper@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday 08 March 1999 5:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: new Grendel song on the web: "Taps for a Dead Channel" Looping done with Acid and Fruity Loops (and more and more I realize how insanely limited and annoying Acid is, but so far there's no competing program that does the same thing). -- *Consider yourself warned.* -- Grendel (Industrial/Electronic Prog): http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664/grendel.html Against a Sickness: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 05:35:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA13688; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 05:35:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 05:35:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: video from audio Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:56:11 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01be6a13$0f968c40$21ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <36E457FD.C8922D45@dial.pipex.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"RS8ot2.0.a01.92Fvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gareth, What is your soundcard with "loads of separate stereo delay lines" and 8 ins and outs? -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Whittock [mailto:whiteoak@dial.pipex.com] Sent: Monday 08 March 1999 3:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: video from audio Hi Dave, check out cthuga, (sorry I dont have the url, use a search) It's billed as an oscilloscope on acid - trippy patterns alright! I think it runs on macs as well as PC's > > That said, I'm sure there must be computer software nowadays which creates > nifty realtime video output from audio sources. Anyone know of any, > especially Mac freeware or shareware? David Myers Incidentally I use a computer live. I consider its flexibility worth the hassle of carting it around. It has a real time MIDI, (assignable) interface, 8 ins and outs, loads of separate stereo delay llines and you can use VST plugins too. Of course it crashes now and then but when it does it carries on processing so the music doesn't stop, you simply have to draw to a close. This hasn't happened live though - yet !) GARETH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 07:49:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA03132; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:49:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:49:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E5133D.9EE4D792@columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 07:25:39 -0500 From: Morgan Lang Reply-To: mhl21@columbia.edu X-Sender: "Morgan Lang" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06C-NECCK (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: sound-to-video generators References: <199903090814.DAA19270@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YTfvM3.0.zd7.h9Hvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The best sound-to-video program I've seen also happens to be freeware. It is called Cthugha, is for both Macs and PCs, and can be downloaded from http://www.afn.org/~cthugha Very interesting if you've ever wanted to know what your music "looks" like. A good location for all sorts of freeware sound/video progs is http://www.hyperreal.org/intersection/tools/ So far I have been disappointed by the Mandlebrot set/sound progs out there. Worth a try, though. Best, MHL. > > That said, I'm sure there must be computer software nowadays which creates > nifty realtime video output from audio sources. Anyone know of any, > especially Mac freeware or shareware? One of these days I'd like to > perform again, and twisting knobs (or moving a mouse) sure doesn't make for > an enthralling show.... > > David Myers I seem to remember a shareware screen saver for the mac that had some nifty sound-to-vision parameters (although via mac's built in mike only i think) sorry, cant remember the name of the thing... try shareware.com under mac screen saver.. the reason i don't have it anymore was an extremely viscious "send in your shareware fee" message every 3 seconds or so (well i would if i could actually see what was going on...) brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 12:36:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA13137; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:36:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:36:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000101be6a4f$7131c3c0$3622a2d1@i658574> From: "Peter Spoecker" To: "looper list" Subject: Cthugha program Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:08:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xegvJ.0.Vx7.d3Lvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com After seeing the post about the Cthugha program I downloaded it, but couldn't get it to work. It showed a succession of still images that you could sequence by hitting any key, but no response to sound from the CD ROM drive or an external source. I'm using the sound in and out on my Miro video card and maybe the program doesn't recognize that. Anybody know how I might be able to get Cthugha to work with a Miro video card instead of a Soundblaster card? Another issue I've often wondered about is if there's any program that can modify video being played from an external input into a video card? Particularly cool would be sound activated color cycling. I've done this using an Amiga video toaster system in a rather complex configuration. Anybody know if there's a program around that lets you use sound as a modulation source for color cycling or otherwise modulating a video signal being displayed with a video card in a PC? Peter Spoecker peter@didgeridoings.com check out www.didgeridoings.com for didgeridoo music, tutorial CD, free circular breathing primer, computer animation, fractals and much more From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 13:45:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA29112; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:45:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:45:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19990308070720.0079f100@pop.ici.net> <64390187.36e38f2f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:14:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Stuart Fox Subject: Re: sound-to-video generators Resent-Message-ID: <"_P-j6.0.ee5.OMMvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:19 AM -0800 3/8/99, David Myers wrote: >That said, I'm sure there must be computer software nowadays which creates >nifty realtime video output from audio sources. Anyone know of any, >especially Mac freeware or shareware? One of these days I'd like to >perform again, and twisting knobs (or moving a mouse) sure doesn't make for >an enthralling show.... > >David Myers Check out the freeware Bomb. The freerunning version responds to audio input in a very primitive way, but it is visually very interesting. You can program much more complicated responses to MIDI in the MAX version. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spot/bomb.html A much more complicated program similar to MAX but for video is IMAGINE. http://www.xs4all.nl/~steim/imagine.html Also you might stay intouch with the progress of UISoftware's MIDIKaleido. It is under development and no one knows much about it, but they are the people who developed MetaSynth and Bryce. http://www.uisoftware.com/PAGES_FLASH/uimain.html Stuart Stuart Fox CalArts Guitar sgfox@music.calarts.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 14:23:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA05564; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:23:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:23:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRGbGmIih3MDIkF8nlyer/zHHRL8QIUZO2S7i0fspKAhfk3OBWiEVaBu7c= From: vimana@webtv.net (vimana) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:33:56 -0600 (CST) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Are computers "real life?" Message-ID: <23105-36E56994-599@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Michael S. Yoder" 's message of Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:42:11 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"XiifH2.0.vZ6.ycMvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just cuz 1 person asked "why" people use dedicated loopers everybody has a shit fit,big hairy deal. how ignorant is this question........................computers vs. rack loopers???????duh.......................................................real artists with heart use anything,they need,to paint the world.........................................................................ps..our brains are computers vim@innertemple studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 16:30:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA03463; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:30:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:30:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990309210433.1339.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [199.201.236.34] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Korg Kaoss Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 13:04:32 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"p6py72.0.5J7.kqOvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh no.........another possible looping tool to lust after and fondle over in our minds. Check it out off Harmony-Central: http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/MusikMesse99/Korg/Kaoss-Pad.html Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 16:50:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA07807; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:50:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:50:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Akai MPC 2000 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:33:31 -0800 Message-ID: <000201be6a74$7ae63390$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <36E55681.9EDAFFC4@csi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"L0-Gr2.0.dx.TDPvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please tell me more! Can you sample and loop back live? Does it have adequate midi implementation (could I use a midi pedal to sample/tap tempo/etc, like a super fat echoplex?) I still haven't got my replacement looping device after selling my Jam-man (something I regret, though I got a good price for it) and a sampler that can sample and playback in real time would be very exciting. bIz > > The mpc2k has now supplanted the Jamman as the most important > part of my > live setup. The mpc2k is more or less well-designed and is > really steady > time-wise. As a drummer/percussionist I find that I'm getting more > effective results with the mpc2k than with the old Jamman. It has this > really great feature which allows you to mute up to 64 (!) tracks > on/off. Maybe I'll get around to combining them someday - > look at all my > machines mom! > > -the man cable- > > > MARK FRANO schrieb: > > > > Loopdy loops, One of the more interesting and extremely > hifi machines > > available for looping is the Akai mpc2000. Certainly more > designed for > > dj's, it is not as conducive to ambient looping but with 32 megs of > > RAM she's long on memory and is designed to loop samples. I think it > > would be an excellent studio tool weather your looping > beats or other > > noise. Alas, no footswitch makes it difficult to wield an intrument > > and interface easily with the MPC2000.Still an interesting > candidate. > > Hi Fi Bugs. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 16:51:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA08184; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:51:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:51:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <725ffe95.36e40718@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:21:28 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: is anyone here? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"TRbFx1.0.5Q2.vT0vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com granted, pittsburgh is not the hot-bed of looping activities, but for my second annual bedroom looping fest i was hoping that there might be some kindred spirits in the local area.....seriously, though, does anyone live in pittsburgh that would like to get together, i need some external input, i promise to behave.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 16:55:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA08806; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:55:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:55:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990305154953.21721.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.254.1.251] From: "Bob Campbell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: thingies vs computers Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 07:49:52 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"gPl2j3.0.Dk5.cr_ts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Computers are not convenient to gig with, yet That's the biggie... Its interesting to remember that our (digital) looping devices *are* computers, with specialized display and input devices. I use Cool Edit a lot, but not for performance, Jam Man wins big time. But wouldn't it be great if a program supported MIDI foot pedals? Maybe some do... do they? I have found I much prefer a bunch of dedicated applicances over one general purpose device that needs to be re-configured for every application. But sometimes the lower cost of a single general purpose gizmo can be notable. A lot of the cost of building hardware is the buttons, displays, power supplies, blah blah. Stuff that seems like it shouldn't 'count'. Bob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 17:10:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA12833; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:10:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:10:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01be68a6$84da2020$497df2d0@chester> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:19:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: "No User Control" rules! Resent-Message-ID: <"KvSa-2.0.GL1.yA2vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Okay, a bit off topic. But sure to interest a lot of folks here. Listmember and pal Mark Landman pointed me to a great freeware Mac program called thOnk which outputs nifty granular synthesis soundscapes and/or naughty bits when you feed its gaping yaw with AIFF's. Choose from about eight "scores" which produce different results, and thOnk it. Go for lunch and come back to find ambient coolness on your hard drive: http://www.audioease.com And one I found myself which also mangles to the nines in different ways, though the interface is a real head-scratcher. It's called Arge=EFphontes Lyre, at: ftp://shoko.calarts.edu/pub/akira/al.sit.hqx Also free! And with SoundMaker at $30, I'm beginning to think maybe computers aren't such a bad way to go, after all.... David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 17:17:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA15097; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:17:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:17:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:55:33 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903092155.WAA00384@mail.euroweb.hu> X-Sender: absolute@mail.datanet.hu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: adam davidovics Subject: Re: EVENTIDE? Resent-Message-ID: <"qNc-i2.0.mD2.8aPvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:03 PM 3/8/99 +0200, you wrote: >On 3/8/99 Adam D. wrote..... >> >>i have a lot more cheap fx too anyway, but i look for something xpensive. >>i can spend about $5000 for a new fx. >> >> >>a/d > >Come on over to my house......just kidding. I picked up an Eventide H330 >D/SE last year and love it. These boxes are very very deep. I just wish I >had more time to dig into it. I also have a G-force, but I turn to my >Eventide much more often. it's ok, but WHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ? :) besides i've heard complainings that Eventide colors the tone a lot. it's not the issue that makes decision for me, but im interested in. please be a little more specifical! a/d From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 19:21:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA26723; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:21:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:21:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "MARK FRANO" To: Subject: John Cage Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:52:23 -0500 Message-ID: <01be6a87$e0713f80$d57cf2d0@chester> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6A5D.F79B3780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"YKwcu2.0.qF4.9NRvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6A5D.F79B3780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was speaking to a friend recently about Cage and was reminded of one = of his more interesting comments. When asked how he got into music in = the first place he replied- "because it was next to mushroom in the = dictionary" Hi Fi Bugs ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6A5D.F79B3780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was speaking to a friend recently = about Cage=20 and was reminded of one of his more interesting comments.  When = asked how=20 he got into music in the first place he replied- "because it was = next to=20 mushroom in the dictionary"  Hi Fi = Bugs
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6A5D.F79B3780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 20:13:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA06741; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:13:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:13:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: thingies vs computers Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:40:09 -0800 Message-ID: <001601be6a8e$8e919b40$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990305154953.21721.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"XUcis3.0._I7.RyRvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > But wouldn't it be great if a program supported MIDI foot pedals? > Maybe some do... do they? > You can do >a lot< with midi inputs and Logic Audio. Perhaps too much :> (I spend too much time creating 'environments' (setups to perform midi manipulations and control specific synth/gear midi parameters.) Come to think of it, you could even loop record and manipulate audio with it, if you are that way inclined, in realtime, from any midi source. Some thing I must look into... I am not sure about control of fx and levels, but I am sure that it is possible - I just don't know how to automate audio controllers yet. rec/stop/loop 1/etc should be no problem at all. Damn! There goes another weekend. bIz > I have found I much prefer a bunch of dedicated applicances over > one general purpose device that needs to be re-configured for > every application. But sometimes the lower cost of a single general > purpose gizmo can be notable. A lot of the cost of building hardware > is the buttons, displays, power supplies, blah blah. Stuff that > seems like it shouldn't 'count'. > > Bob > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 20:16:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA07507; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:16:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:16:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E5C446.A5BE9BE1@sfsu.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 17:00:54 -0800 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Are computers "real life?" & shit fits References: <23105-36E56994-599@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QxLwC2.0.Y21.BLSvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, not "everybody" had a shit fit. A couple of people got kind of mean but that's about it. Basically, lots of people feel passionately about what they use. What we use to make music is an important part of our musical identities. The folks who still use tape loops are proud of it and rightfully so. Tape loops are hard to use compared to other systems, and when someone can use their creativity to make great new music with them, that's something to bark about. On the other hand, modern computers allow their users to do pretty much anything with their sounds, so in a different way, the result is up to the imagination. Personally, right now I'm really proud with what I can do with 2 four second squashboxes and a 4-track. When I get around to using a computer, I'm going to have to approach things in a different way. I'm going to need to be less spontaneous and more exacting. Oh well, let's stop attacking each other over what we use. It's important that both sides continue to do their thing. matt vimana wrote: > just cuz 1 person asked "why" people use dedicated loopers everybody has > a shit fit,big hairy deal. how ignorant is this > question........................computers vs. rack > loopers???????duh.......................................................real > artists with heart use anything,they need,to paint the > world.........................................................................ps..our > brains are computers > vim@innertemple studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 22:19:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA24634; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:39:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:39:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Jeff Shorthouse To: "'Loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:50:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"06jIx2.0.uf3.SDlts"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yep- just head on over to http://www.dbrown.force9.co.uk/ and you'll find several there. If you also happen to read any of the UK electronic music gear mags (Future Music/The Mix/Sound on Sound) the have a monthly music on the web column and the often list sites with free downloads. Jeff Shorthouse Alien Radio Station Toronto, Canada alienradio@hotmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Han [mailto:stevehan@transworld-lax.com] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 1:22 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? Hello my fellow scientific musicians, Does anyone know of any Free Plug-Ins download sites for the Steinberg Cubase VST (or the like...)? Thanks in advance. Steve (Curbie) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 22:21:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA25129; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:38:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:38:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: spat@visi.com Posted-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:31:20 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990306212913.006a9210@mail.visi.com> X-Sender: spat@mail.visi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:29:13 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lovetone is not gone .... Resent-Message-ID: <"gt2Es.0.3x5.HxPus"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Lovetone is still in business! > >The fallacy that they went under was started by a few misinformed Internet >posts! They said they may start phasing out the pedals to concentrate on rack units. Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 9 22:21:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA06448; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:44:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:44:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <36E55681.9EDAFFC4@csi.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:12:33 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Akai MPC 2000 References: <01be68a6$84da2020$497df2d0@chester> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uvx7.0.Ue6.LhOvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The mpc2k has now supplanted the Jamman as the most important part of my live setup. The mpc2k is more or less well-designed and is really steady time-wise. As a drummer/percussionist I find that I'm getting more effective results with the mpc2k than with the old Jamman. It has this really great feature which allows you to mute up to 64 (!) tracks on/off. Maybe I'll get around to combining them someday - look at all my machines mom! -the man cable- > MARK FRANO schrieb: > > Loopdy loops, One of the more interesting and extremely hifi machines > available for looping is the Akai mpc2000. Certainly more designed for > dj's, it is not as conducive to ambient looping but with 32 megs of > RAM she's long on memory and is designed to loop samples. I think it > would be an excellent studio tool weather your looping beats or other > noise. Alas, no footswitch makes it difficult to wield an intrument > and interface easily with the MPC2000.Still an interesting candidate. > Hi Fi Bugs. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 01:47:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA01720; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:47:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:47:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990310003512.00970ef0@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:37:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: EchoPlex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kd8fL.0.6w7.IFXvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Maybe some of you EDP'ers can answer this for me: Can the echoplex do backward/forwards looping, or is it forward only? That would seem to be a fairly trivial thing to implement (at least in software, don't know if the hardware would support it.) and I would probably sell my first child to get one if it did. ;) What I am looking for specifically, is something w/ the memory/power of an EDP that does bi-directional looping (forward, backward & forward/backward). Thanks, Lorren Stafford Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound http://www.winternet.com/~r4c "We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 02:44:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA17205; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:44:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:44:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Are computers "real life?" Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:23:00 -0800 Message-ID: <002a01be6ac6$d4063cc0$21ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <23105-36E56994-599@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"E12jo2.0.Ap2.ZuXvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Really cool comment. Vimana, you're totally right. -----Original Message----- From: vimana [mailto:vimana@webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday 09 March 1999 10:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Are computers "real life?" just cuz 1 person asked "why" people use dedicated loopers everybody has a shit fit,big hairy deal. how ignorant is this question........................computers vs. rack loopers???????duh.......................................................real artists with heart use anything,they need,to paint the world....................................................................... ..ps..our brains are computers vim@innertemple studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 03:11:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA24775; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:11:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:11:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:33:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Bad memory warning Resent-Message-ID: <"GkUpM2.0.bl3.q5Yvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey loopers and other digital nuts- I want to issue a note of caution on buying simms, dimms, and other dram-like products: In recent months I've had quite a few people come to me about problems they had upgrading the memory in their echoplex. The problems turned out to be caused by bad simms. Mike Ayers of Gibson/Oberheim told me today that he has also been encountering a lot of this problem with users. So be warned - there is a remarkable amount of bad memory out on the market right now. If you are upgrading memory in something (could be anything, not just echoplexes....), you may want to save yourself a lot of trouble and steer clear of the cheapest bargain shop on the net. Stick to the more reputable places. I think this is happening because the dram market has been completely tanked for a while now. Memory chip companies have been losing massive amounts of money over the past year. I imagine by now they are selling anything that even looks like a dram chip, no matter how marginal the tester says it is. (assuming they still test the chips at all....) So, be careful. To help people out, could some of you who have bought memory successfully in recent months suggest quality vendors? thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 03:59:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA04549; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:59:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:59:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: wg-ral.admin@wg.com Message-Id: <9903109210.AA921051835@smtp.wg.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.01.01 BETA Date: Wed, 10 Mar 99 02:43:56 -0500 To: Subject: cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Resent-Message-ID: <"P8Fh6.0.QW.29Zvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message is undeliverable. 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Original text follows: --------------------- --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from chaos.wg.com by smtp.wg.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.01.01 BETA) ; Wed, 10 Mar 99 02:43:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by chaos.wg.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA01401 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:11:34 -0500 (EST) From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com Received: (from root@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA27655; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:22:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:22:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199903100822.DAA27655@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #93 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/93 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 93 Today's Topics: RE: Any Video Loopers? [ Anthony Mullen ] Cthugha program [ "Peter Spoecker" ] Re: Are computers "real life?" [ vimana@webtv.net (vimana) ] Korg Kaoss [ "Dan Bartell" ] RE: Akai MPC 2000 [ "Jonathan El-Bizri" ] EchoPlex [ "L. Stafford" ] RE: Are computers "real life?" [ "Javier Miranda V." To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Any Video Loopers? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Coldcut developed some video looping tools. Their single Hexstatic was a CD-rom and contained a lot of videos allegedly made using live video looping. In fact from the sleeve notes it seems that they took this out on tour with them and it proved successful. There's a film called 'Heavy Rotation' which uses music (Tortoise/Coldcut/Autechre) and digital imagery to create - oh I dunno - vibes (they call it a interplay between sound and vision). Dunno if this is looping strictly but the flavour is at least there. Check some Coldcut sites because I'm sure they were looking to license the technology... Seems like the artists are making the best tools these days..... Let me know how you get on if you find anything - a digest summary of image looping would be good;) btw - I'm Anthony - hello all - and hi Kim from the dnb mailing list. ---------- From: Stevaum@aol.com[SMTP:Stevaum@aol.com] Sent: 08 March 1999 08:50 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Any Video Loopers? I introduced myself a few weeks ago as a new member to Loopers Delight, and inquired if anyone had done any looping with reel-to-reel video. I received no replies, so I thought I would ask once more! ANYONE WORKED WITH VIDEO LOOPS? I have done extensive work in both video and audio using various looping techniques, and welcome all inquiries and exchanges of experiences. Thanx, sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO - visual arts, including video looping & feedback Pupaum - audio art and music, including analog & digital looping You may view my computer art at: sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:56:03 -0800 From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Devices vs. Computer for live looping Message-ID: <000d01be6a13$0b3b2160$21ceefd1@electra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like your observation about people's habits in purchasing hardware. Indeed, I'd like to have something added to my computer rather than adding another separate piece of hardware. On the other hand, as Kim has reminded us in the past, a separate piece of hardware like the EDP does function more reliably and speedily than a plug in on my computer. My point again, if I may, is that eventually we'll have supercomputers (comparing to our Pentia) which will behave 10 times faster than any separate piece of hardware, and we won't be talking about separate hardware as opposed to software or hardware installed in our computers. Further, I can see that, as we continue to see more and better outboard protocols and systems, such as USB, and the upcoming Ethernet-like MIDI, that we will begin thinking of the "computer" as the collection of separate devices of which we make use. Indeed, someone on the list a few days ago was drooling while talking about having a future EDP rapidly dumping to HDD a loop, even pulling from and saving to disk several loops during a performance! Makes me drool too... For example, I don't consider my "computer" to be just the box with the motherboard and the CPU, etc. -- it includes my monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, CDWriter, scanner, printer and, through MIDI, I think it now includes my synthesisers and MIDI sound-processing gear; this whole collection is my "computer." As computers continue to include outboard equipment, the line between "dedicated hardware" and "computers" becomes ever blurrier. But as you dramatically point out, as it is right now, people do have to make a choice about which way to go, either stompboxes-like devices, or computer "plug-in's." I happen to agree with Kim that, for looping, and as computer hardware stands today, a separate, dedicated looping device such as the EDP is best. -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:DKirkdorffer@exapps.com] Sent: Monday 08 March 1999 2:08 PM To: 'Javier Miranda V.'; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Devices vs. Computer for live looping My hypothesis on the Devices vs. Computer's for Looping -- it mostly depends on where you start evolving to looping from and incrementally adding looping capabilities to your set-up. 1) Device Approach 2) Computer Approach I feel I'm dramatically stating the obvious. dk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:56:15 -0800 From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: new Grendel song on the web: "Taps for a Dead Channel" Message-ID: <000f01be6a13$12453180$21ceefd1@electra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You gotta get the "hang" of Acid, man. It's tricky in the beginning, but it is really versatile, I think. -----Original Message----- From: earthblind, starbound [mailto:leper@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday 08 March 1999 5:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: new Grendel song on the web: "Taps for a Dead Channel" Looping done with Acid and Fruity Loops (and more and more I realize how insanely limited and annoying Acid is, but so far there's no competing program that does the same thing). -- *Consider yourself warned.* -- Grendel (Industrial/Electronic Prog): http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664/grendel.html Against a Sickness: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:56:11 -0800 From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: video from audio Message-ID: <000e01be6a13$0f968c40$21ceefd1@electra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gareth, What is your soundcard with "loads of separate stereo delay lines" and 8 ins and outs? -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Whittock [mailto:whiteoak@dial.pipex.com] Sent: Monday 08 March 1999 3:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: video from audio Hi Dave, check out cthuga, (sorry I dont have the url, use a search) It's billed as an oscilloscope on acid - trippy patterns alright! I think it runs on macs as well as PC's > > That said, I'm sure there must be computer software nowadays which creates > nifty realtime video output from audio sources. Anyone know of any, > especially Mac freeware or shareware? David Myers Incidentally I use a computer live. I consider its flexibility worth the hassle of carting it around. It has a real time MIDI, (assignable) interface, 8 ins and outs, loads of separate stereo delay llines and you can use VST plugins too. Of course it crashes now and then but when it does it carries on processing so the music doesn't stop, you simply have to draw to a close. This hasn't happened live though - yet !) GARETH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 07:25:39 -0500 From: Morgan Lang To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: sound-to-video generators Message-ID: <36E5133D.9EE4D792@columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The best sound-to-video program I've seen also happens to be freeware. It is called Cthugha, is for both Macs and PCs, and can be downloaded from http://www.afn.org/~cthugha Very interesting if you've ever wanted to know what your music "looks" like. A good location for all sorts of freeware sound/video progs is http://www.hyperreal.org/intersection/tools/ So far I have been disappointed by the Mandlebrot set/sound progs out there. Worth a try, though. Best, MHL. > > That said, I'm sure there must be computer software nowadays which creates > nifty realtime video output from audio sources. Anyone know of any, > especially Mac freeware or shareware? One of these days I'd like to > perform again, and twisting knobs (or moving a mouse) sure doesn't make for > an enthralling show.... > > David Myers I seem to remember a shareware screen saver for the mac that had some nifty sound-to-vision parameters (although via mac's built in mike only i think) sorry, cant remember the name of the thing... try shareware.com under mac screen saver.. the reason i don't have it anymore was an extremely viscious "send in your shareware fee" message every 3 seconds or so (well i would if i could actually see what was going on...) brad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:08:18 -0800 From: "Peter Spoecker" To: "looper list" Subject: Cthugha program Message-ID: <000101be6a4f$7131c3c0$3622a2d1@i658574> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After seeing the post about the Cthugha program I downloaded it, but couldn't get it to work. It showed a succession of still images that you could sequence by hitting any key, but no response to sound from the CD ROM drive or an external source. I'm using the sound in and out on my Miro video card and maybe the program doesn't recognize that. Anybody know how I might be able to get Cthugha to work with a Miro video card instead of a Soundblaster card? Another issue I've often wondered about is if there's any program that can modify video being played from an external input into a video card? Particularly cool would be sound activated color cycling. I've done this using an Amiga video toaster system in a rather complex configuration. Anybody know if there's a program around that lets you use sound as a modulation source for color cycling or otherwise modulating a video signal being displayed with a video card in a PC? Peter Spoecker peter@didgeridoings.com check out www.didgeridoings.com for didgeridoo music, tutorial CD, free circular breathing primer, computer animation, fractals and much more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:14:49 -0800 From: Stuart Fox To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sound-to-video generators Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:19 AM -0800 3/8/99, David Myers wrote: >That said, I'm sure there must be computer software nowadays which creates >nifty realtime video output from audio sources. Anyone know of any, >especially Mac freeware or shareware? One of these days I'd like to >perform again, and twisting knobs (or moving a mouse) sure doesn't make for >an enthralling show.... > >David Myers Check out the freeware Bomb. The freerunning version responds to audio input in a very primitive way, but it is visually very interesting. You can program much more complicated responses to MIDI in the MAX version. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spot/bomb.html A much more complicated program similar to MAX but for video is IMAGINE. http://www.xs4all.nl/~steim/imagine.html Also you might stay intouch with the progress of UISoftware's MIDIKaleido. It is under development and no one knows much about it, but they are the people who developed MetaSynth and Bryce. http://www.uisoftware.com/PAGES_FLASH/uimain.html Stuart Stuart Fox CalArts Guitar sgfox@music.calarts.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:33:56 -0600 (CST) From: vimana@webtv.net (vimana) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Are computers "real life?" Message-ID: <23105-36E56994-599@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit just cuz 1 person asked "why" people use dedicated loopers everybody has a shit fit,big hairy deal. how ignorant is this question........................computers vs. rack loopers???????duh.......................................................real artists with heart use anything,they need,to paint the world.........................................................................ps..our brains are computers vim@innertemple studios ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 13:04:32 PST From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Korg Kaoss Message-ID: <19990309210433.1339.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Oh no.........another possible looping tool to lust after and fondle over in our minds. Check it out off Harmony-Central: http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/MusikMesse99/Korg/Kaoss-Pad.html Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:33:31 -0800 From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Akai MPC 2000 Message-ID: <000201be6a74$7ae63390$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please tell me more! Can you sample and loop back live? Does it have adequate midi implementation (could I use a midi pedal to sample/tap tempo/etc, like a super fat echoplex?) I still haven't got my replacement looping device after selling my Jam-man (something I regret, though I got a good price for it) and a sampler that can sample and playback in real time would be very exciting. bIz > > The mpc2k has now supplanted the Jamman as the most important > part of my > live setup. The mpc2k is more or less well-designed and is > really steady > time-wise. As a drummer/percussionist I find that I'm getting more > effective results with the mpc2k than with the old Jamman. It has this > really great feature which allows you to mute up to 64 (!) tracks > on/off. Maybe I'll get around to combining them someday - > look at all my > machines mom! > > -the man cable- > > > MARK FRANO schrieb: > > > > Loopdy loops, One of the more interesting and extremely > hifi machines > > available for looping is the Akai mpc2000. Certainly more > designed for > > dj's, it is not as conducive to ambient looping but with 32 megs of > > RAM she's long on memory and is designed to loop samples. I think it > > would be an excellent studio tool weather your looping > beats or other > > noise. Alas, no footswitch makes it difficult to wield an intrument > > and interface easily with the MPC2000.Still an interesting > candidate. > > Hi Fi Bugs. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:21:28 EST From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: is anyone here? Message-ID: <725ffe95.36e40718@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit granted, pittsburgh is not the hot-bed of looping activities, but for my second annual bedroom looping fest i was hoping that there might be some kindred spirits in the local area.....seriously, though, does anyone live in pittsburgh that would like to get together, i need some external input, i promise to behave.......michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 07:49:52 PST From: "Bob Campbell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: thingies vs computers Message-ID: <19990305154953.21721.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain >Computers are not convenient to gig with, yet That's the biggie... Its interesting to remember that our (digital) looping devices *are* computers, with specialized display and input devices. I use Cool Edit a lot, but not for performance, Jam Man wins big time. But wouldn't it be great if a program supported MIDI foot pedals? Maybe some do... do they? I have found I much prefer a bunch of dedicated applicances over one general purpose device that needs to be re-configured for every application. But sometimes the lower cost of a single general purpose gizmo can be notable. A lot of the cost of building hardware is the buttons, displays, power supplies, blah blah. Stuff that seems like it shouldn't 'count'. Bob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:19:49 -0500 From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: "No User Control" rules! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, a bit off topic. But sure to interest a lot of folks here. Listmember and pal Mark Landman pointed me to a great freeware Mac program called thOnk which outputs nifty granular synthesis soundscapes and/or naughty bits when you feed its gaping yaw with AIFF's. Choose from about eight "scores" which produce different results, and thOnk it. Go for lunch and come back to find ambient coolness on your hard drive: http://www.audioease.com And one I found myself which also mangles to the nines in different ways, though the interface is a real head-scratcher. It's called Arge=EFphontes Lyre, at: ftp://shoko.calarts.edu/pub/akira/al.sit.hqx Also free! And with SoundMaker at $30, I'm beginning to think maybe computers aren't such a bad way to go, after all.... David Myers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:55:33 +0100 (MET) From: adam davidovics To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EVENTIDE? Message-Id: <199903092155.WAA00384@mail.euroweb.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:03 PM 3/8/99 +0200, you wrote: >On 3/8/99 Adam D. wrote..... >> >>i have a lot more cheap fx too anyway, but i look for something xpensive. >>i can spend about $5000 for a new fx. >> >> >>a/d > >Come on over to my house......just kidding. I picked up an Eventide H330 >D/SE last year and love it. These boxes are very very deep. I just wish I >had more time to dig into it. I also have a G-force, but I turn to my >Eventide much more often. it's ok, but WHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ? :) besides i've heard complainings that Eventide colors the tone a lot. it's not the issue that makes decision for me, but im interested in. please be a little more specifical! a/d ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:52:23 -0500 From: "MARK FRANO" To: Subject: John Cage Message-ID: <01be6a87$e0713f80$d57cf2d0@chester> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6A5D.F79B3780" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6A5D.F79B3780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was speaking to a friend recently about Cage and was reminded of one = of his more interesting comments. When asked how he got into music in = the first place he replied- "because it was next to mushroom in the = dictionary" Hi Fi Bugs ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6A5D.F79B3780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was speaking to a friend recently = about Cage=20 and was reminded of one of his more interesting comments.  When = asked how=20 he got into music in the first place he replied- "because it was = next to=20 mushroom in the dictionary"  Hi Fi = Bugs
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6A5D.F79B3780-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:40:09 -0800 From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: thingies vs computers Message-ID: <001601be6a8e$8e919b40$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > But wouldn't it be great if a program supported MIDI foot pedals? > Maybe some do... do they? > You can do >a lot< with midi inputs and Logic Audio. Perhaps too much :> (I spend too much time creating 'environments' (setups to perform midi manipulations and control specific synth/gear midi parameters.) Come to think of it, you could even loop record and manipulate audio with it, if you are that way inclined, in realtime, from any midi source. Some thing I must look into... I am not sure about control of fx and levels, but I am sure that it is possible - I just don't know how to automate audio controllers yet. rec/stop/loop 1/etc should be no problem at all. Damn! There goes another weekend. bIz > I have found I much prefer a bunch of dedicated applicances over > one general purpose device that needs to be re-configured for > every application. But sometimes the lower cost of a single general > purpose gizmo can be notable. A lot of the cost of building hardware > is the buttons, displays, power supplies, blah blah. Stuff that > seems like it shouldn't 'count'. > > Bob > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 17:00:54 -0800 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Are computers "real life?" & shit fits Message-ID: <36E5C446.A5BE9BE1@sfsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, not "everybody" had a shit fit. A couple of people got kind of mean but that's about it. Basically, lots of people feel passionately about what they use. What we use to make music is an important part of our musical identities. The folks who still use tape loops are proud of it and rightfully so. Tape loops are hard to use compared to other systems, and when someone can use their creativity to make great new music with them, that's something to bark about. On the other hand, modern computers allow their users to do pretty much anything with their sounds, so in a different way, the result is up to the imagination. Personally, right now I'm really proud with what I can do with 2 four second squashboxes and a 4-track. When I get around to using a computer, I'm going to have to approach things in a different way. I'm going to need to be less spontaneous and more exacting. Oh well, let's stop attacking each other over what we use. It's important that both sides continue to do their thing. matt vimana wrote: > just cuz 1 person asked "why" people use dedicated loopers everybody has > a shit fit,big hairy deal. how ignorant is this > question........................computers vs. rack > loopers???????duh.......................................................real > artists with heart use anything,they need,to paint the > world.........................................................................ps..our > brains are computers > vim@innertemple studios ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:50:53 -0500 From: Jeff Shorthouse To: "'Loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yep- just head on over to http://www.dbrown.force9.co.uk/ and you'll find several there. If you also happen to read any of the UK electronic music gear mags (Future Music/The Mix/Sound on Sound) the have a monthly music on the web column and the often list sites with free downloads. Jeff Shorthouse Alien Radio Station Toronto, Canada alienradio@hotmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Han [mailto:stevehan@transworld-lax.com] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 1:22 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? Hello my fellow scientific musicians, Does anyone know of any Free Plug-Ins download sites for the Steinberg Cubase VST (or the like...)? Thanks in advance. Steve (Curbie) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:29:13 -0600 From: spat@visi.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lovetone is not gone .... Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990306212913.006a9210@mail.visi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Lovetone is still in business! > >The fallacy that they went under was started by a few misinformed Internet >posts! They said they may start phasing out the pedals to concentrate on rack units. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:12:33 +0100 From: Cummings To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Akai MPC 2000 Message-ID: <36E55681.9EDAFFC4@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The mpc2k has now supplanted the Jamman as the most important part of my live setup. The mpc2k is more or less well-designed and is really steady time-wise. As a drummer/percussionist I find that I'm getting more effective results with the mpc2k than with the old Jamman. It has this really great feature which allows you to mute up to 64 (!) tracks on/off. Maybe I'll get around to combining them someday - look at all my machines mom! -the man cable- > MARK FRANO schrieb: > > Loopdy loops, One of the more interesting and extremely hifi machines > available for looping is the Akai mpc2000. Certainly more designed for > dj's, it is not as conducive to ambient looping but with 32 megs of > RAM she's long on memory and is designed to loop samples. I think it > would be an excellent studio tool weather your looping beats or other > noise. Alas, no footswitch makes it difficult to wield an intrument > and interface easily with the MPC2000.Still an interesting candidate. > Hi Fi Bugs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:37:37 -0600 From: "L. Stafford" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EchoPlex Message-Id: <4.1.19990310003512.00970ef0@mail.winternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Maybe some of you EDP'ers can answer this for me: Can the echoplex do backward/forwards looping, or is it forward only? That would seem to be a fairly trivial thing to implement (at least in software, don't know if the hardware would support it.) and I would probably sell my first child to get one if it did. ;) What I am looking for specifically, is something w/ the memory/power of an EDP that does bi-directional looping (forward, backward & forward/backward). Thanks, Lorren Stafford Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound http://www.winternet.com/~r4c "We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:23:00 -0800 From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Are computers "real life?" Message-ID: <002a01be6ac6$d4063cc0$21ceefd1@electra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Really cool comment. Vimana, you're totally right. -----Original Message----- From: vimana [mailto:vimana@webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday 09 March 1999 10:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Are computers "real life?" just cuz 1 person asked "why" people use dedicated loopers everybody has a shit fit,big hairy deal. how ignorant is this question........................computers vs. rack loopers???????duh.......................................................real artists with heart use anything,they need,to paint the world....................................................................... ..ps..our brains are computers vim@innertemple studios -------------------------------- End of Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 Issue #93 ********************************************* --simple boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 04:47:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA14981; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:47:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:47:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:18:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990310015137.007ac100@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:51:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: EchoPlex In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990310003512.00970ef0@mail.winternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"q__bZ.0.R82.wZZvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The EDP does forward or reverse only. At 12:37 AM 3/10/99 -0600, you wrote: >Maybe some of you EDP'ers can answer this for me: Can the echoplex do >backward/forwards looping, or is it forward only? That would seem to be a >fairly trivial thing to implement (at least in software, don't know if the >hardware would support it.) and I would probably sell my first child to get >one if it did. ;) What I am looking for specifically, is something w/ the >memory/power of an EDP that does bi-directional looping (forward, backward >& forward/backward). > >Thanks, > > >Lorren Stafford >Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound >http://www.winternet.com/~r4c > >"We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning >of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about >to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously >fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." > > > ........................................................................... But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on computers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 07:59:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA22459; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:59:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:59:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <36E6534D.FB42E3C4@csi.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:11:09 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Akai MPC 2000 References: <000201be6a74$7ae63390$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YqlI2.0.jU.9Wbvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry if I was misleading there - no the mpc2k is not much of a real-time machine. It's not a looper, but rather a glorified sampling drum machine. But a good one. I've prepare multi-tracked sequences ahead of time and play live to these or process them. There is a tap tempo button which I understand can also be accessed by footswitch (see Simon's post earlier on this thread). I've also used the mpc2k in live contexts with other musicians sorta like a dj - matching tempos etc. This takes a little practice but it work quite well. I was often frustrated looping live percussion via microphones into the Jamman - either the loop would feedback or I would get too much stage sound in the loop. I suppose these "mistakes" can be interesting things, too - maybe I'll be able to integrate that later. -the man cable- Jonathan El-Bizri schrieb: > > Please tell me more! Can you sample and loop back live? Does it have > adequate midi implementation (could I use a midi pedal to sample/tap > tempo/etc, like a super fat echoplex?) I still haven't got my replacement > looping device after selling my Jam-man (something I regret, though I got a > good price for it) and a sampler that can sample and playback in real time > would be very exciting. > > bIz > > > > > The mpc2k has now supplanted the Jamman as the most important > > part of my > > live setup. The mpc2k is more or less well-designed and is > > really steady > > time-wise. As a drummer/percussionist I find that I'm getting more > > effective results with the mpc2k than with the old Jamman. It has this > > really great feature which allows you to mute up to 64 (!) tracks > > on/off. Maybe I'll get around to combining them someday - > > look at all my > > machines mom! > > > > -the man cable- > > > > > MARK FRANO schrieb: > > > > > > Loopdy loops, One of the more interesting and extremely > > hifi machines > > > available for looping is the Akai mpc2000. Certainly more > > designed for > > > dj's, it is not as conducive to ambient looping but with 32 megs of > > > RAM she's long on memory and is designed to loop samples. I think it > > > would be an excellent studio tool weather your looping > > beats or other > > > noise. Alas, no footswitch makes it difficult to wield an intrument > > > and interface easily with the MPC2000.Still an interesting > > candidate. > > > Hi Fi Bugs. > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 08:24:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA29424; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:24:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:24:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990310072027.007a5100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:20:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Are computers "real life?" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-Pwkc3.0.m_2.qAcvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sure, "real artists with heart use anything, they need, to paint the world", but I don't see it as out of place for those "real artists" to share tips and tricks with each other, especially when it can save one (or many) of the "real artists" the time, money and frustration that goes with committing themselves to the purchase of a system which may not be suited to their particular needs. One of the biggest advantages of a list like this one is that it's a forum where we can help each other out. This thread started with a legitimate question and has (mostly) consisted of useful, well-intentioned posts from people who were trying to benefit the looping community by sharing their experiences with the gear and approaches they use to "paint the world." Sometimes this takes the form of a pro-con discussion. If you see this as ignorant, or if you construe list members' equipment/technique-related posts as a "shit fit", well sorry. But do we need a "really cool comment" saying "duh" when informing us ignoramuses what "real artists" should do/say/think? C'mon, this is nothing to have a flame war over! Tim >At 11:23 PM 3/9/99 -0800, you wrote: >>Really cool comment. Vimana, you're totally right. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: vimana [mailto:vimana@webtv.net] >>Sent: Tuesday 09 March 1999 10:34 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: Re: Are computers "real life?" >> >> >>just cuz 1 person asked "why" people use dedicated loopers everybody has >>a shit fit,big hairy deal. how ignorant is this >>question........................computers vs. rack >>loopers???????duh.......................................................real >>artists with heart use anything,they need,to paint the >>world....................................................................... >>..ps..our >>brains are computers >>vim@innertemple studios >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 09:41:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA18797; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:41:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:41:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <4d1dbd59.36e675aa@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:37:46 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Bad memory warning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"AXXd03.0.0k.BOdvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/10/99 2:10:16 AM Central Standard Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << To help people out, could some of you who have bought memory successfully in recent months suggest quality vendors? >> There is a national chain called Computer Renaissance that sells new and used computers and components, and I have picked up memory for my computer and memory for my sampler, all at very good prices, and have had no problems with either. I was also warned while buying that the Asian recession has put a lot of smaller chip makers out of business, so the price of RAM may start creeping back up as the companies that are still afloat realize it's a smaller playing field with less competition. So you might want to grab some (good) chips sooner rather than later. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 10:12:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA26892; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:12:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:12:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Stevaum@aol.com Message-ID: <38c81283.36e67df9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:13:13 EST To: tcn62@ici.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Loops & such... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 53 Resent-Message-ID: <"BlR-S.0.m-2.jvdvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Tim, Thanx for yr inquiry regarding video looping (Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 91). Before I joined the Loopers Delight web group, I consulted with Kim & Chris about the appropriateness of discussing video in a predominantly audio environment. For me, the word "loop" immediately conjures visions of looping video systems!!! Looping is looping whatever the medium! I am very spontaneous and have employed a large variety of concepts and techniques working with video and audio looping systems. I have not done any video looping pieces since 1983 because I no longer have access to any reel- to-reel video equipment. Being that I thoroughly explored the medium back when it was current technology, I've been happy to move along and continue to create with whatever is the latest technology has to offer! I have continued to explore video feedback, but have not explored any digital means for video looping. I have used all types of video, including looping pieces, during live performances. Often I use prerecorded video during live music performances, but have done many live video/audio looping performances & installations. The video loops, on occasion, have used prerecorded (& found footage) tapes, but are usually done with live cameras. The source of change comes from video feedback, when the camera is zoomed within the frame of the video monitor screen; and from performance, when the camera is zoomed beyond the frame of the video monitor screen. (refer to my Loopers Delight Profile for an explanation of the basic video system I used) There is always overlap between siys & pupaum (siys=visual/pupaum=audio), because much of my art is multimedia. Glad to hear u enjoyed the art on my website! Stevo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 11:47:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA22625; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:47:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:47:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: EchoPlex Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:15:28 -0600 Message-ID: <000601be6b08$d4b69b00$526ad0d0@Ugh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990310003512.00970ef0@mail.winternet.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"4xWzP3.0.RV7.G-evs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > What I am looking for specifically, is something w/ the > memory/power of an EDP that does bi-directional looping (forward, backward > & forward/backward). The Echoplex has a function that can cause the current loop to reverse. This function can be mapped to the 'insert' button on the footpedal if you are someone who uses it alot. I keep mine mapped to the insert button. With multiple loops activated, you can lay down a 'base' pattern, jump to the next loop (copying that pattern as you move), reverse it, overdub a pattern on top.....jump to the next pattern (w/ copy), reverse it... the 'base' pattern is now back with the second pattern reversed. You can reverse the entire loop at any time...as many times as you like. But you cannot have it move forward through the loop and then backward through it, ad infinitem. Fun stuff.... -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 11:44:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA21988; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:44:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:44:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: loop subtraction Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:20:23 -0600 Message-ID: <000701be6b09$84c78ae0$526ad0d0@Ugh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990310003512.00970ef0@mail.winternet.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"DHBcw3.0.LU7.8-evs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a thought.... Long ago I worked with an FFT that would show you a graphical depiction of the current sound source (SoundForge has this in their 4.5 version). One of the features of the hardware FFT was the ability to 'subtract' sounds. If you had a sound that had an overpowering 600hz section, you could put it in subtract mode...play a 600hz sound....and the resulting sound was the original minus the 600hz sound (kind of a follow-me EQ...) Wouldn't it be slick to have a looping device that allowed this? You start a base pattern....play some parts on top of it and build it's thickness....and then 'subtract' out the base pattern by playing it again. (excuse my ignorance if there is already a device like this and everybody already knows about it....slap me if my echoplex already does it) -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 12:17:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA30857; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:17:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:17:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Stevaum@aol.com Message-ID: <8b1f0bb3.36e695d8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:55:04 EST To: dmgraph@pulsewidth.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: video loop effecting audio loop affecting video loop affecting audio loop... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 53 Resent-Message-ID: <"Z3IQq2.0.Hv2.gUfvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Regarding David Myers' inquiry about "realtime video output from audio sources" (Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 91/Subject: Re: Any Video Loopers?), I thought you might be interested to hear about a couple of vintage projects I did in the early 80's. In early '81, I was living in Norman, Oklahoma collaborating with an ever changing & expanding group of artists/musicians. We would change our name & members for every improvisational music project we created. In late March I was awarded a full scholarship to get a Masters degree at The Art Institute of Chicago, & in April we began a month long marathon of projects before I moved. One of these projects was "Monitor Control/Control Monitor". It consisted of three musicians spontaneously performing while I video taped the performance. I had developed this technique of spontaneously zooming & panning a video camera based on what was happening musically. The musicians would be conducted by the movement of the video camera displayed on a monitor before them, & I would be influenced how to shoot the video based on the music performance. The audio was recorded using a tape loop system. The end results were both interesting & rewarding! We successfully created a "performance/documentation loop"!!! Another project, done with two other artists at the Art Institute of Chicago in 1982, was "Night Emerges Day" (it was thusly titled, as we had spent all night setting up the equipment, & finally were recording the piece as the sun was rising!). A real-time video art piece consisting of an audio & video loop, using a custom modular EMU synthesizer & the Sandin Image Processor (IP), mixed with Zgrass computer animation (Zgrass was the first computer hardware & software designed specifically for art & animation). The EMU was sending control voltage to the IP, affecting the oscillation of image & color, while the IP was sending control voltage to the EMU, affecting the frequency of pitch & filter. Again, the results were extremely interesting & rewarding! We had successfully created a "live interactive technology loop"!!! For me, "looping" exists in many forms! Stevo Wolfson sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO Pupaum http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html stevaum@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 12:54:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA08689; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:54:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:54:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Akai MPC 2000 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:09:43 -0800 Message-ID: <001a01be6b18$cb1e99c0$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <36E6534D.FB42E3C4@csi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"jUCrl2.0.Dt6.vRgvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Too bad :< I was hoping it would have one of those 'realtime sample' functions that djs use. bIz > > Sorry if I was misleading there - no the mpc2k is not much of a > real-time machine. It's not a looper, but rather a glorified sampling > drum machine. But a good one. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 13:16:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA14538; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:16:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:16:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36E6A5F8.48D@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:03:52 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop subtraction References: <000701be6b09$84c78ae0$526ad0d0@Ugh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zf34R1.0.oF6.0Kgvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mike McGary wrote: > > Wouldn't it be slick to have a looping device that allowed > this? You start a base pattern....play some parts on top of it > and build it's thickness....and then 'subtract' out the base pattern > by playing it again. Interesting idea. This is why I have two EDPs. I use the midiclock to synchronize them. I lay down the "base pattern" in one and the "frills" in the other. Then I mute/stop/turn-down the "master" EDP. To me, what you're describing is a sort of "multi-track" looper. I know, for example, I could never duplicate a part accurately enough to "subtract" it out. Of course, any artifacts from the process might be interesting of themselves. - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 14:03:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA26982; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:03:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:03:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990310124306.007ab9e0@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:43:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: Bad memory warning In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fcGNQ1.0.LJ1.Lzgvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:33 PM 3/9/99 -0800, you wrote: >So be warned - there is a remarkable amount of bad memory out on the market >right now. um, i was going to mention this but i kept... what was i talking about? m ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 14:01:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA26452; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:01:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:01:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "BOB HENRY" Organization: KNME-TV, University of New Mexico To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:59:23 GMT+7 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #92 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <29882276ECE@knme1.unm.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"13eaF2.0.XQ2.xBhvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:42:11 -0600 From: "Michael S. Yoder" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Are computers "real life?" Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990308144211.008303d0@tamiu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Sunday March 7, Javier Miranda V. wrote the following in response to a message by Bob H.: >I highly object to your judgement about computers not being part of real >life. Just because they didn't exist when you were a kid doesn't make them >less real. When your great-grandfather was a kid there were no cars! That >doesn't mean that they are not as real to you as the horse-and-buggy. > Don't inflict on others the concept that "life" is only what "you" think it >is, dude. (Bob H. reply to Javier Miranda V.) Are you some kind of IDEOT or what??? You go right ahead and "Highly Object" to what I said. Fact is, that little tight-holed anus-sphincker boys such as yourself have such a little mind, that you had to take offense at a statement that I made. I wasn't even talking to you, anyway! Get up out'cha chair and away from your friggen puter and just take it like a man...quit cher whinin and bellly-achin! Now- I'm not that old, punk! As you can see, I use a computer everyday, so I have PLENTY of room to speak about the subject. Not only that, but, Dude, you know absolutely NOTHING about me. So don't go making accusations that I'm some kind of "old Fart" (or whatever). Fact is, that computers WERE around when I was young...they still are! So- just what do YOU know about computers anyway, exept what resides in front of you with a mouse and keyboard and all the latest software upgrades that the techno-computer media throws at'cha from dat to day? You tell me in detail about how computers got where they are today...I'm sure you don't know! Myself- I just don't look at computer technology as some relegious shrine- that to disagree with it is somehow "sacreligious". Lately, I've had way too much digital crap crammed down my throat and I sure as hell don't need some computer techno-dweeb punk like Javier Miranda try'n ta put me down! Javier, next time ya have a gripe, ya better state in a more dignified way...know what the HELL your talk'n about B4 you state your opinion! For those of you who have read this, please understand- I don't have a problem with computer technology...it's the attitude towards it, as you have just seen with Javier Miranda. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 14:08:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA28177; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:08:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:08:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "BOB HENRY" Organization: KNME-TV, University of New Mexico To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:18:54 GMT+7 Subject: Video Looping Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <298D5225B4E@knme1.unm.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"yiar33.0.Fh3.4Uhvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Steve- R U interested in video looping with tape or computer-based? Video tape delays had been utilized some years ago by using 2 open reel machines and cross-taping from the record machine to the other. I understand that this was rather avengard or rarely used, since it was so involved. To make an actual tape loop, would be quite impratical, since the splice would have to be flawless so as not to cause a video glitch in the picture. A control track would have to be recorded first, then possibly, the video could just be recorded in an "insert" mode fashion. This method might just work, though it's not been tried, as far as I know. Anyway, wish you all the best with your experiment. Cheers, Bob H. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 15:28:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA15848; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:28:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:28:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E6C3F4.1370A05A@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:11:48 +0000 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LOADS OF DELAY LINES References: <199903100905.EAA05908@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UmUDq2.0.Rx6.wCivs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > What is your soundcard with "loads of separate stereo delay lines" and 8 ins > and outs? You can use several cards to produce more than plain stereo ins and outs or one of the many multiple cards on the market. The delay lines, loopers, filters are just free VST plugins that you get off the net. The thing that hangs it all together is Audiomulch software - the new version of which, (.8b1) allows me to bring delays in and out control filters. mixing etc etc from my midi pedals and switches. For instance I had 4 stereo loopers operated from midi switches with the speed controlled by a midi pedal and direction from another pedal. It was absolute bedlam of course but plenty of loopers seem to thrive on chaos. Audiomulch is still at its beta stage but imo it's a phenomenal piece of software. I can't put it down. It's this particular loopers delight :) Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 15:39:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA18736; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:39:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:39:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:59:13 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: questions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"_bZLz2.0.F-1.7-ivs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com question 1.......one more time...........anyone out there have alto music's phone # handy? Seriously thinking about purchasing an echoplex. question 2.......the $560.00 price tag if of course that's what alto is still selling them for.......does that include the footpedal? question 3.......if the footpedal is not included how much is alto selling them for? take care everyone, brian electric bird noise sound samples etc. at: http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 15:23:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA14197; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:23:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:23:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: loop subtraction Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:25:23 -0600 Message-ID: <000801be6b2b$bea80240$526ad0d0@Ugh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <36E6A5F8.48D@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"-wlmH1.0.zx7.ATivs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > To me, what you're describing is a sort of "multi-track" looper. I > know, for example, I could never duplicate a part accurately enough to > "subtract" it out. Of course, any artifacts from the process might be > interesting of themselves. Actually, the artifacts are the key to the process. It's not a 'pure' subraction (not removing the exact sounds that were part of the base) but a different way of building new layers. For instance...you might play a gritty major chord into a loop.... By playing the major third in 'subtraction' mode the third is slowly backed out of the mix (roughly)...and then playing a minor third...the loop just changed feel. This could be a slow organic process...not like switching tracks on and off. -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 15:59:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA23783; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:59:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:59:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990310195111.008c0540@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:51:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "BOB HENRY" From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #92 Resent-Message-ID: <"sZCoQ2.0.Td1.Jvivs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:59 AM 3/10/99 GMT+7, BOB HENRY wrote: >(Bob H. reply to Javier Miranda V.) > >Are you some kind of IDEOT or what??? You go right ahead and >"Highly Object" to what I said. Fact is, that little tight-holed >anus-sphincker boys such as yourself have such a little mind, that >you had to take offense at a statement that I made. please calm down. we don't act this way here. That's what usenet is for. :-) It's a very easy thing to hold rational, intelligent debates without making needless personal attacks. Please keep that in mind when posting here. kim _________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS kflint@atitech.com ATI Research 408-752-9284 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 16:00:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA23930; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:00:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:00:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000701be6b09$84c78ae0$526ad0d0@Ugh> References: <4.1.19990310003512.00970ef0@mail.winternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:48:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: loop subtraction Resent-Message-ID: <"oH7zL2.0._81.lmivs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Interesting....It seems like you would have to do a FFT to do this, which would probably best be done in the digital domain, and require some serious processing power to perform it in real time... Perhaps there would be a way to just make the "subtrating signal" out of phase with the main signal, and this might create a similar effect, as the signals would cancel each other. I can imagine the usefulness of this....loops can get pretty busy, and you could "thin it out" using this method. Maybe it could be done within an echoplex: have an insert mode = "subtract", in addition to the reverse and other insert modes. Kim, any new versions of the software in the planning stages? - Chris >Just a thought.... > >Long ago I worked with an FFT that would show you a >graphical depiction of the current sound source (SoundForge >has this in their 4.5 version). One of the features of the >hardware FFT was the ability to 'subtract' sounds. If you >had a sound that had an overpowering 600hz section, you could >put it in subtract mode...play a 600hz sound....and the >resulting sound was the original minus the 600hz sound >(kind of a follow-me EQ...) > >Wouldn't it be slick to have a looping device that allowed >this? You start a base pattern....play some parts on top of it >and build it's thickness....and then 'subtract' out the base pattern >by playing it again. > >(excuse my ignorance if there is already a device like this and everybody >already knows about it....slap me if my echoplex already does it) > > -Mike McGary ----------------------------- Chris Chovit cho@newdream.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 16:25:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA30070; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:25:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:25:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:42:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: loop subtraction Resent-Message-ID: <"fEGWU1.0.DR4.ZVjvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Mike McGary wrote: >> >> Wouldn't it be slick to have a looping device that allowed >> this? You start a base pattern....play some parts on top of it >> and build it's thickness....and then 'subtract' out the base pattern >> by playing it again. > If you had an exact duplicate of your original base pattern, inverted it's amplitude, and mixed it at 50% with the loop, while playing it back precisely in time/phase with the base pattern, that would do the trick. Kinda hard to do though=8A This brings up the interesting question of how to "bring the loop back down", it's easy to quickly build a formidable wall of sound, but much harder to elegantly thin it out=8A DSP filters and processes in the feedback loop would do this, as well as multi-track loopers. Any other suggestions for ways to do this? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 16:24:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA29735; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:24:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:24:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <89268c48.36e6d209@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:11:53 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: jamman in stereo? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"k5pPL3.0.qn2.i9jvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com any one tried to sync up two jammen? will they sync up? will the slave unit respond to the master unit's commands (tap,layer,mute,etc.,etc)? take care, brian electric bird noise sound samples etc. at: http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 16:36:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA00876; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:36:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:36:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Edward_Chang@amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <85256730.00709FEE.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:36:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Great music from Crevice Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"WgTRJ3.0.v74.ORjvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Rob Got the CD you sent - Great package! Thanks alot. Been too busy on other things to do much recording in a awhile, so it was interesting to hear our versions, a real blast from the past. Good luck and keep in touch, hopefully we can work together again one day... Ed Chang From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 17:00:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA07008; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:00:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:00:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:46:32 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Bad memory warning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"7vjzS2.0.x75.ihjvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/10/99 8:40:12 AM, Crossedout@aol.com writes: ><< To help people out, could some of you who have bought memory successfully in recent months suggest quality vendors? >> I have had great success (at great prices) using The Chip Merchant: (800) 808-CHIP in San Diego. Just mention that you want to add memory to an old Mac II, I have heard that some chip sellers charge a premium if they think/know that the chips are to be used in a music device..... Marshall From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 17:54:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA21304; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:54:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:54:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001101be6b3c$8e5e3120$9c32dacf@sgoodman> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: LOADS OF DELAY LINES Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:25:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"X6QcO2.0.bN7.AEkvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> What is your soundcard with "loads of separate stereo delay lines" and 8 ins >> and outs? >You can use several cards to produce more than plain stereo ins and outs >or one of the many multiple cards on the market. We've not really discussed multiple cards on this list, as I recall - more like individual focuses like the Layla card (one remembered). After a lengthy search for a card that would meet my needs for recording without carrying the standard overinflated Music Industry price, I found that the best sound quality, as well as the best-behaved install, was that of the Diamond Monster MX300 board. I'll be posting my first result of the work done on it in the past several weeks (between consulting). The worst, by the way, was the SoundBlaster Live! (not the Value). Three returns of the card into it, I gave up on their QA, and, unless one really HAS digital recording equipment outside the PC, the extra hardware is somewhat non-used; worst of all, the uninstall didn't remove most of the effluvium in the registry, Autoexec, drivers, dlls, you name it. Unfortunate, but true. Anyway! >The thing that hangs it all together is Audiomulch software - the new >version of which, (.8b1) allows me to bring delays in and out control >filters. mixing etc etc from my midi pedals and switches. Which platform is Audiomulch on, again? I forget. Stephen Goodman * It's the Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 18:02:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA22951; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:02:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:02:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990310213130.006de820@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:31:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #92 Resent-Message-ID: <"7Azql2.0.3o7.jJkvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Are you some kind of IDEOT or what??? You go right ahead and >>"Highly Object" to what I said. Fact is, that little tight-holed >>anus-sphincker boys such as yourself have such a little mind, that >>you had to take offense at a statement that I made. > >please calm down. we don't act this way here. That's what usenet is for. :-) > >It's a very easy thing to hold rational, intelligent debates without making >needless personal attacks. Please keep that in mind when posting here. or subscribe to the jungle producer mailing list.... ;) sorry... just a joke.... ciao leo > >kim >_________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint, MTS kflint@atitech.com >ATI Research 408-752-9284 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 18:22:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA27514; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:22:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:22:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <81187A52F28ED21197D200805FBB030F4AB638@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> From: "Wordsman, Lee" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: loop subtraction Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:40:19 -0500 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"mWj_13.0.gR.TQkvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Mike McGary wrote: > > This brings up the interesting question of how to "bring the loop back > down", it's easy to quickly build a formidable wall of sound, but much > harder to elegantly thin it outS I hate to bring up the F word but on "Let the Power Fall" (Fail, I never remember), Fripp seems to do just what you describe. Build a tritonal wall of sound and then slowly return to the original layer. Before I became exposed to this list and the tools of the trade, I had no idea how the hell he could do that. Now, I assume that with the Undo feature of the EDP you could do that very easily. Not sure how Fripp did it back then though. On another topic, I just picked up the new Jeff Beck CD "Who Else" and although I'm not sure it's true looping (whatever that is) but there are a few tracks that sound like looping to me. Mulitple repititive guitar and keyboard tracks overlaid with soloing and general mayhem. I've not been a big fan of Beck's more recent material but read the GP review and decided to give this a try. It's pretty interesting, a lot of funk along with some quiter tracks where Beck's playing really shines. Also just got Buckethead's Colma CD. That is beautiful. Makes me realize how poorly I implement delay in my playing. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 18:22:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA27585; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:22:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:22:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E6E678.3FD7@pop.interport.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:39:10 -0500 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #92 References: <29882276ECE@knme1.unm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zff-K1.0.x02.aokvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Javier Miranda vs Bob H. Pay per view event? I think not. Come on guys. You both inspired a lot of thinking and discussion, but show some class........or I'll lay the smackdown on both your candy asses. (Justfunnin).....be cool jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 18:32:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA29989; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:32:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:32:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <99Mar10.174306est.19585@Donmills.corporate.southam.ca> From: Jim Bailey To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: Any Video Loopers? Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:44:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE6B1D.B99AB4E0" Resent-Message-ID: <"7A4JY3.0.Ra4.wMlvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE6B1D.B99AB4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I introduced myself a few weeks ago as a new member to Loopers Delight, = and >inquired if anyone had done any looping with reel-to-reel video. I = received no >replies, so I thought I would ask once more! ANYONE WORKED WITH VIDEO = LOOPS? >I have done extensive work in both video and audio using various = looping >techniques, and welcome all inquiries and exchanges of experiences. Actually, I meant to reply to this one, but lost track of the posting. I = have wondered about this for probably twenty years or more, but haven't = had access to the necessary equipment to try it out. Back then I was = really into audio tape delays, and the first time I saw an open-reel = video recorder the possibility of using that format intrigued me. I've = always wondered how a video signal, fed back onto itself electronically = (not the old camera-pointed-at-the-monitor trick), would look - if = indeed it looked like anything, and didn't suffer some horrible fate due = to the nature of video signals. Have you had any success? If so, what were the results? Is anything = available? I'd love to know after all this time, and if I missed the = opportunity of being a pioneer :-). 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Original text follows: --------------------- --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from chaos.wg.com by smtp.wg.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.01.01 BETA) ; Wed, 10 Mar 99 16:38:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by chaos.wg.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA11854 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:05:17 -0500 (EST) From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA10888; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:15:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:15:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199903102215.RAA10888@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #96 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/96 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 96 Today's Topics: Re: EchoPlex [ Chuck Zwicky ] RE: Are computers "real life?" [ Tim Nelson ] Re: Bad memory warning [ Crossedout@aol.com ] Loops & such... [ Stevaum@aol.com ] RE: EchoPlex [ "Mike McGary" ] loop subtraction [ "Mike McGary" ] video loop effecting audio loop affe [ Stevaum@aol.com ] RE: Akai MPC 2000 [ "Jonathan El-Bizri" ] Re: Bad memory warning [ murkie ] Video Looping [ "BOB HENRY" ] Re: LOADS OF DELAY LINES [ Gareth Whittock ] Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #92 [ Kim Flint ] Re: loop subtraction [ Chris Chovit ] Re: loop subtraction [ landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) ] jamman in stereo? [ ENAT21213@aol.com ] Re: Great music from Crevice [ Edward_Chang@amsinc.com ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:51:37 -0600 From: Chuck Zwicky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EchoPlex Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990310015137.007ac100@POP.VISI.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The EDP does forward or reverse only. At 12:37 AM 3/10/99 -0600, you wrote: >Maybe some of you EDP'ers can answer this for me: Can the echoplex do >backward/forwards looping, or is it forward only? That would seem to be a >fairly trivial thing to implement (at least in software, don't know if the >hardware would support it.) and I would probably sell my first child to get >one if it did. ;) What I am looking for specifically, is something w/ the >memory/power of an EDP that does bi-directional looping (forward, backward >& forward/backward). > >Thanks, > > >Lorren Stafford >Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound >http://www.winternet.com/~r4c > >"We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning >of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about >to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously >fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." > > > ........................................................................... But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on computers. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:11:09 +0100 From: Cummings To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Akai MPC 2000 Message-ID: <36E6534D.FB42E3C4@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry if I was misleading there - no the mpc2k is not much of a real-time machine. It's not a looper, but rather a glorified sampling drum machine. But a good one. I've prepare multi-tracked sequences ahead of time and play live to these or process them. There is a tap tempo button which I understand can also be accessed by footswitch (see Simon's post earlier on this thread). I've also used the mpc2k in live contexts with other musicians sorta like a dj - matching tempos etc. This takes a little practice but it work quite well. I was often frustrated looping live percussion via microphones into the Jamman - either the loop would feedback or I would get too much stage sound in the loop. I suppose these "mistakes" can be interesting things, too - maybe I'll be able to integrate that later. -the man cable- Jonathan El-Bizri schrieb: > > Please tell me more! Can you sample and loop back live? Does it have > adequate midi implementation (could I use a midi pedal to sample/tap > tempo/etc, like a super fat echoplex?) I still haven't got my replacement > looping device after selling my Jam-man (something I regret, though I got a > good price for it) and a sampler that can sample and playback in real time > would be very exciting. > > bIz > > > > > The mpc2k has now supplanted the Jamman as the most important > > part of my > > live setup. The mpc2k is more or less well-designed and is > > really steady > > time-wise. As a drummer/percussionist I find that I'm getting more > > effective results with the mpc2k than with the old Jamman. It has this > > really great feature which allows you to mute up to 64 (!) tracks > > on/off. Maybe I'll get around to combining them someday - > > look at all my > > machines mom! > > > > -the man cable- > > > > > MARK FRANO schrieb: > > > > > > Loopdy loops, One of the more interesting and extremely > > hifi machines > > > available for looping is the Akai mpc2000. Certainly more > > designed for > > > dj's, it is not as conducive to ambient looping but with 32 megs of > > > RAM she's long on memory and is designed to loop samples. I think it > > > would be an excellent studio tool weather your looping > > beats or other > > > noise. Alas, no footswitch makes it difficult to wield an intrument > > > and interface easily with the MPC2000.Still an interesting > > candidate. > > > Hi Fi Bugs. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:20:27 -0800 From: Tim Nelson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Are computers "real life?" Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990310072027.007a5100@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sure, "real artists with heart use anything, they need, to paint the world", but I don't see it as out of place for those "real artists" to share tips and tricks with each other, especially when it can save one (or many) of the "real artists" the time, money and frustration that goes with committing themselves to the purchase of a system which may not be suited to their particular needs. One of the biggest advantages of a list like this one is that it's a forum where we can help each other out. This thread started with a legitimate question and has (mostly) consisted of useful, well-intentioned posts from people who were trying to benefit the looping community by sharing their experiences with the gear and approaches they use to "paint the world." Sometimes this takes the form of a pro-con discussion. If you see this as ignorant, or if you construe list members' equipment/technique-related posts as a "shit fit", well sorry. But do we need a "really cool comment" saying "duh" when informing us ignoramuses what "real artists" should do/say/think? C'mon, this is nothing to have a flame war over! Tim >At 11:23 PM 3/9/99 -0800, you wrote: >>Really cool comment. Vimana, you're totally right. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: vimana [mailto:vimana@webtv.net] >>Sent: Tuesday 09 March 1999 10:34 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: Re: Are computers "real life?" >> >> >>just cuz 1 person asked "why" people use dedicated loopers everybody has >>a shit fit,big hairy deal. how ignorant is this >>question........................computers vs. rack >>loopers???????duh.......................................................real >>artists with heart use anything,they need,to paint the >>world....................................................................... >>..ps..our >>brains are computers >>vim@innertemple studios >> >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:37:46 EST From: Crossedout@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Bad memory warning Message-ID: <4d1dbd59.36e675aa@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/10/99 2:10:16 AM Central Standard Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << To help people out, could some of you who have bought memory successfully in recent months suggest quality vendors? >> There is a national chain called Computer Renaissance that sells new and used computers and components, and I have picked up memory for my computer and memory for my sampler, all at very good prices, and have had no problems with either. I was also warned while buying that the Asian recession has put a lot of smaller chip makers out of business, so the price of RAM may start creeping back up as the companies that are still afloat realize it's a smaller playing field with less competition. So you might want to grab some (good) chips sooner rather than later. - Crossedout@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:13:13 EST From: Stevaum@aol.com To: tcn62@ici.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loops & such... Message-ID: <38c81283.36e67df9@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Tim, Thanx for yr inquiry regarding video looping (Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 91). Before I joined the Loopers Delight web group, I consulted with Kim & Chris about the appropriateness of discussing video in a predominantly audio environment. For me, the word "loop" immediately conjures visions of looping video systems!!! Looping is looping whatever the medium! I am very spontaneous and have employed a large variety of concepts and techniques working with video and audio looping systems. I have not done any video looping pieces since 1983 because I no longer have access to any reel- to-reel video equipment. Being that I thoroughly explored the medium back when it was current technology, I've been happy to move along and continue to create with whatever is the latest technology has to offer! I have continued to explore video feedback, but have not explored any digital means for video looping. I have used all types of video, including looping pieces, during live performances. Often I use prerecorded video during live music performances, but have done many live video/audio looping performances & installations. The video loops, on occasion, have used prerecorded (& found footage) tapes, but are usually done with live cameras. The source of change comes from video feedback, when the camera is zoomed within the frame of the video monitor screen; and from performance, when the camera is zoomed beyond the frame of the video monitor screen. (refer to my Loopers Delight Profile for an explanation of the basic video system I used) There is always overlap between siys & pupaum (siys=visual/pupaum=audio), because much of my art is multimedia. Glad to hear u enjoyed the art on my website! Stevo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:15:28 -0600 From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: EchoPlex Message-ID: <000601be6b08$d4b69b00$526ad0d0@Ugh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > What I am looking for specifically, is something w/ the > memory/power of an EDP that does bi-directional looping (forward, backward > & forward/backward). The Echoplex has a function that can cause the current loop to reverse. This function can be mapped to the 'insert' button on the footpedal if you are someone who uses it alot. I keep mine mapped to the insert button. With multiple loops activated, you can lay down a 'base' pattern, jump to the next loop (copying that pattern as you move), reverse it, overdub a pattern on top.....jump to the next pattern (w/ copy), reverse it... the 'base' pattern is now back with the second pattern reversed. You can reverse the entire loop at any time...as many times as you like. But you cannot have it move forward through the loop and then backward through it, ad infinitem. Fun stuff.... -Mike McGary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:20:23 -0600 From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: loop subtraction Message-ID: <000701be6b09$84c78ae0$526ad0d0@Ugh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a thought.... Long ago I worked with an FFT that would show you a graphical depiction of the current sound source (SoundForge has this in their 4.5 version). One of the features of the hardware FFT was the ability to 'subtract' sounds. If you had a sound that had an overpowering 600hz section, you could put it in subtract mode...play a 600hz sound....and the resulting sound was the original minus the 600hz sound (kind of a follow-me EQ...) Wouldn't it be slick to have a looping device that allowed this? You start a base pattern....play some parts on top of it and build it's thickness....and then 'subtract' out the base pattern by playing it again. (excuse my ignorance if there is already a device like this and everybody already knows about it....slap me if my echoplex already does it) -Mike McGary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:55:04 EST From: Stevaum@aol.com To: dmgraph@pulsewidth.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: video loop effecting audio loop affecting video loop affecting audio loop... Message-ID: <8b1f0bb3.36e695d8@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Regarding David Myers' inquiry about "realtime video output from audio sources" (Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 91/Subject: Re: Any Video Loopers?), I thought you might be interested to hear about a couple of vintage projects I did in the early 80's. In early '81, I was living in Norman, Oklahoma collaborating with an ever changing & expanding group of artists/musicians. We would change our name & members for every improvisational music project we created. In late March I was awarded a full scholarship to get a Masters degree at The Art Institute of Chicago, & in April we began a month long marathon of projects before I moved. One of these projects was "Monitor Control/Control Monitor". It consisted of three musicians spontaneously performing while I video taped the performance. I had developed this technique of spontaneously zooming & panning a video camera based on what was happening musically. The musicians would be conducted by the movement of the video camera displayed on a monitor before them, & I would be influenced how to shoot the video based on the music performance. The audio was recorded using a tape loop system. The end results were both interesting & rewarding! We successfully created a "performance/documentation loop"!!! Another project, done with two other artists at the Art Institute of Chicago in 1982, was "Night Emerges Day" (it was thusly titled, as we had spent all night setting up the equipment, & finally were recording the piece as the sun was rising!). A real-time video art piece consisting of an audio & video loop, using a custom modular EMU synthesizer & the Sandin Image Processor (IP), mixed with Zgrass computer animation (Zgrass was the first computer hardware & software designed specifically for art & animation). The EMU was sending control voltage to the IP, affecting the oscillation of image & color, while the IP was sending control voltage to the EMU, affecting the frequency of pitch & filter. Again, the results were extremely interesting & rewarding! We had successfully created a "live interactive technology loop"!!! For me, "looping" exists in many forms! Stevo Wolfson sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO Pupaum http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html stevaum@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:09:43 -0800 From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Akai MPC 2000 Message-ID: <001a01be6b18$cb1e99c0$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Too bad :< I was hoping it would have one of those 'realtime sample' functions that djs use. bIz > > Sorry if I was misleading there - no the mpc2k is not much of a > real-time machine. It's not a looper, but rather a glorified sampling > drum machine. But a good one. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:03:52 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop subtraction Message-Id: <36E6A5F8.48D@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike McGary wrote: > > Wouldn't it be slick to have a looping device that allowed > this? You start a base pattern....play some parts on top of it > and build it's thickness....and then 'subtract' out the base pattern > by playing it again. Interesting idea. This is why I have two EDPs. I use the midiclock to synchronize them. I lay down the "base pattern" in one and the "frills" in the other. Then I mute/stop/turn-down the "master" EDP. To me, what you're describing is a sort of "multi-track" looper. I know, for example, I could never duplicate a part accurately enough to "subtract" it out. Of course, any artifacts from the process might be interesting of themselves. - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:43:06 -0500 From: murkie To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Bad memory warning Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990310124306.007ab9e0@panther.middlebury.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:33 PM 3/9/99 -0800, you wrote: >So be warned - there is a remarkable amount of bad memory out on the market >right now. um, i was going to mention this but i kept... what was i talking about? m ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:59:23 GMT+7 From: "BOB HENRY" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #92 Message-ID: <29882276ECE@knme1.unm.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:42:11 -0600 From: "Michael S. Yoder" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Are computers "real life?" Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990308144211.008303d0@tamiu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Sunday March 7, Javier Miranda V. wrote the following in response to a message by Bob H.: >I highly object to your judgement about computers not being part of real >life. Just because they didn't exist when you were a kid doesn't make them >less real. When your great-grandfather was a kid there were no cars! That >doesn't mean that they are not as real to you as the horse-and-buggy. > Don't inflict on others the concept that "life" is only what "you" think it >is, dude. (Bob H. reply to Javier Miranda V.) Are you some kind of IDEOT or what??? You go right ahead and "Highly Object" to what I said. Fact is, that little tight-holed anus-sphincker boys such as yourself have such a little mind, that you had to take offense at a statement that I made. I wasn't even talking to you, anyway! Get up out'cha chair and away from your friggen puter and just take it like a man...quit cher whinin and bellly-achin! Now- I'm not that old, punk! As you can see, I use a computer everyday, so I have PLENTY of room to speak about the subject. Not only that, but, Dude, you know absolutely NOTHING about me. So don't go making accusations that I'm some kind of "old Fart" (or whatever). Fact is, that computers WERE around when I was young...they still are! So- just what do YOU know about computers anyway, exept what resides in front of you with a mouse and keyboard and all the latest software upgrades that the techno-computer media throws at'cha from dat to day? You tell me in detail about how computers got where they are today...I'm sure you don't know! Myself- I just don't look at computer technology as some relegious shrine- that to disagree with it is somehow "sacreligious". Lately, I've had way too much digital crap crammed down my throat and I sure as hell don't need some computer techno-dweeb punk like Javier Miranda try'n ta put me down! Javier, next time ya have a gripe, ya better state in a more dignified way...know what the HELL your talk'n about B4 you state your opinion! For those of you who have read this, please understand- I don't have a problem with computer technology...it's the attitude towards it, as you have just seen with Javier Miranda. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:18:54 GMT+7 From: "BOB HENRY" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Video Looping Message-ID: <298D5225B4E@knme1.unm.edu> Hi Steve- R U interested in video looping with tape or computer-based? Video tape delays had been utilized some years ago by using 2 open reel machines and cross-taping from the record machine to the other. I understand that this was rather avengard or rarely used, since it was so involved. To make an actual tape loop, would be quite impratical, since the splice would have to be flawless so as not to cause a video glitch in the picture. A control track would have to be recorded first, then possibly, the video could just be recorded in an "insert" mode fashion. This method might just work, though it's not been tried, as far as I know. Anyway, wish you all the best with your experiment. Cheers, Bob H. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:11:48 +0000 From: Gareth Whittock To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LOADS OF DELAY LINES Message-ID: <36E6C3F4.1370A05A@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > What is your soundcard with "loads of separate stereo delay lines" and 8 ins > and outs? You can use several cards to produce more than plain stereo ins and outs or one of the many multiple cards on the market. The delay lines, loopers, filters are just free VST plugins that you get off the net. The thing that hangs it all together is Audiomulch software - the new version of which, (.8b1) allows me to bring delays in and out control filters. mixing etc etc from my midi pedals and switches. For instance I had 4 stereo loopers operated from midi switches with the speed controlled by a midi pedal and direction from another pedal. It was absolute bedlam of course but plenty of loopers seem to thrive on chaos. Audiomulch is still at its beta stage but imo it's a phenomenal piece of software. I can't put it down. It's this particular loopers delight :) Gareth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:59:13 EST From: ENAT21213@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: questions Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit question 1.......one more time...........anyone out there have alto music's phone # handy? Seriously thinking about purchasing an echoplex. question 2.......the $560.00 price tag if of course that's what alto is still selling them for.......does that include the footpedal? question 3.......if the footpedal is not included how much is alto selling them for? take care everyone, brian electric bird noise sound samples etc. at: http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:25:23 -0600 From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: loop subtraction Message-ID: <000801be6b2b$bea80240$526ad0d0@Ugh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > To me, what you're describing is a sort of "multi-track" looper. I > know, for example, I could never duplicate a part accurately enough to > "subtract" it out. Of course, any artifacts from the process might be > interesting of themselves. Actually, the artifacts are the key to the process. It's not a 'pure' subraction (not removing the exact sounds that were part of the base) but a different way of building new layers. For instance...you might play a gritty major chord into a loop.... By playing the major third in 'subtraction' mode the third is slowly backed out of the mix (roughly)...and then playing a minor third...the loop just changed feel. This could be a slow organic process...not like switching tracks on and off. -Mike McGary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:51:11 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "BOB HENRY" Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #92 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990310195111.008c0540@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:59 AM 3/10/99 GMT+7, BOB HENRY wrote: >(Bob H. reply to Javier Miranda V.) > >Are you some kind of IDEOT or what??? You go right ahead and >"Highly Object" to what I said. Fact is, that little tight-holed >anus-sphincker boys such as yourself have such a little mind, that >you had to take offense at a statement that I made. please calm down. we don't act this way here. That's what usenet is for. :-) It's a very easy thing to hold rational, intelligent debates without making needless personal attacks. Please keep that in mind when posting here. kim _________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS kflint@atitech.com ATI Research 408-752-9284 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:48:07 -0800 From: Chris Chovit To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop subtraction Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Interesting....It seems like you would have to do a FFT to do this, which would probably best be done in the digital domain, and require some serious processing power to perform it in real time... Perhaps there would be a way to just make the "subtrating signal" out of phase with the main signal, and this might create a similar effect, as the signals would cancel each other. I can imagine the usefulness of this....loops can get pretty busy, and you could "thin it out" using this method. Maybe it could be done within an echoplex: have an insert mode = "subtract", in addition to the reverse and other insert modes. Kim, any new versions of the software in the planning stages? - Chris >Just a thought.... > >Long ago I worked with an FFT that would show you a >graphical depiction of the current sound source (SoundForge >has this in their 4.5 version). One of the features of the >hardware FFT was the ability to 'subtract' sounds. If you >had a sound that had an overpowering 600hz section, you could >put it in subtract mode...play a 600hz sound....and the >resulting sound was the original minus the 600hz sound >(kind of a follow-me EQ...) > >Wouldn't it be slick to have a looping device that allowed >this? You start a base pattern....play some parts on top of it >and build it's thickness....and then 'subtract' out the base pattern >by playing it again. > >(excuse my ignorance if there is already a device like this and everybody >already knows about it....slap me if my echoplex already does it) > > -Mike McGary ----------------------------- Chris Chovit cho@newdream.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:42:06 -0800 From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop subtraction Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Mike McGary wrote: >> >> Wouldn't it be slick to have a looping device that allowed >> this? You start a base pattern....play some parts on top of it >> and build it's thickness....and then 'subtract' out the base pattern >> by playing it again. > If you had an exact duplicate of your original base pattern, inverted it's amplitude, and mixed it at 50% with the loop, while playing it back precisely in time/phase with the base pattern, that would do the trick. Kinda hard to do though=8A This brings up the interesting question of how to "bring the loop back down", it's easy to quickly build a formidable wall of sound, but much harder to elegantly thin it out=8A DSP filters and processes in the feedback loop would do this, as well as multi-track loopers. Any other suggestions for ways to do this? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:11:53 EST From: ENAT21213@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: jamman in stereo? Message-ID: <89268c48.36e6d209@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit any one tried to sync up two jammen? will they sync up? will the slave unit respond to the master unit's commands (tap,layer,mute,etc.,etc)? take care, brian electric bird noise sound samples etc. at: http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:36:46 -0500 From: Edward_Chang@amsinc.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Great music from Crevice Message-ID: <85256730.00709FEE.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hey Rob Got the CD you sent - Great package! Thanks alot. Been too busy on other things to do much recording in a awhile, so it was interesting to hear our versions, a real blast from the past. Good luck and keep in touch, hopefully we can work together again one day... Ed Chang -------------------------------- End of Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 Issue #96 ********************************************* --simple boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 18:59:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA05895; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:59:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:59:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36E6FCEB.51C4@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:14:51 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop subtraction References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ssL3g1.0.YG6.rnlvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mark Landman wrote: > > This brings up the interesting question of how to "bring the loop back > down", it's easy to quickly build a formidable wall of sound, but much > harder to elegantly thin it outŠ Humm! Good discussion. Yes. This is a PRIMARY difficulty with our existing tools. Easy to thicken. Hard to thin. To reiterate an earlier statement of mine, that's why I got a second EDP (and want at least one more). But that's not an "elegant" solution, by any means! > > DSP filters and processes in the feedback loop would do this, as well as > multi-track loopers. Any other suggestions for ways to do this? Well, just to point out the obvious (but perhaps not obvious to non-EDP users), the UNDO function on the EDP lets you "unstack" sounds. For fellow techno-computer-geeks, I'd phrase this as 1) we have linked list style management (i.e., the NEXT LOOP function of the EDP), 2) we have stack style management (i.e., the UNDO function). We need silo (or queue) and random access functionality (IMHO). - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 19:08:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA08928; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:08:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:08:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E6FB3E.BD96D69E@sfsu.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:07:42 -0800 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop subtraction References: <000701be6b09$84c78ae0$526ad0d0@Ugh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Zsj4l3.0.0E6.-mlvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Terry Riley invented something like that. It was essentially a multitrack tape looper. A San Francisco musician named Paul Drescher built a very similar system with 4 tracks and a footswitch for each track. You could probably build one from a four track reel-to-reel without too much trouble. It might take some design to work in footswitches, variable loop lenghtt, etc.. Matt Davignon Mike McGary wrote: > Just a thought.... > > Long ago I worked with an FFT that would show you a > graphical depiction of the current sound source (SoundForge > has this in their 4.5 version). One of the features of the > hardware FFT was the ability to 'subtract' sounds. If you > had a sound that had an overpowering 600hz section, you could > put it in subtract mode...play a 600hz sound....and the > resulting sound was the original minus the 600hz sound > (kind of a follow-me EQ...) > > Wouldn't it be slick to have a looping device that allowed > this? You start a base pattern....play some parts on top of it > and build it's thickness....and then 'subtract' out the base pattern > by playing it again. > > (excuse my ignorance if there is already a device like this and everybody > already knows about it....slap me if my echoplex already does it) > > -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 19:42:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA22537; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:42:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:42:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E70753.43141795@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:59:16 -0800 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Vortex Expression Pedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5maEx3.0.TG1.TQmvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i just got a Boss-EV5 to use with my Vortex- I notice that it does not necessarily change the value the full range- like it goes from 60A to 01B - I have fiddled with the volume on the pedal with no luck- anyone had this problem before? Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 19:44:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA23768; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:44:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:44:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: mcgary@email.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9903101919004I.20639@www3.iname.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:19:00 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop subtraction Resent-Message-ID: <"C3aon2.0.5p2.Ummvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---- On Mar 10 "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > We need silo (or queue) and random access functionality (IMHO). I find that when the quantize is set up right, you have plenty of time to choose which loop to move to before it jumps. There's your random access. -Mike McGary ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 20:22:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA04372; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:22:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:22:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E725FD.51EE06D9@magelang.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:10:05 -0800 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EchoPlex References: <4.1.19990310003512.00970ef0@mail.winternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zH61e.0.bi7.1Onvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just got a new Capybara 320 last night. (That's the new hardware for Kyma, www.symbolicsound.com) I wrote a stereo looper with both fowards and backwards output. The speed of the backwards output can be adjusted in real time. It only takes up 1/3 of one of the new DSP chips (each w/ 24MB of sample/delay memory). On top of that, the new 24-bit converters sound wonderful. Given that a new base system has 3 of these chips available, it seems to me to be a better deal than trying to find multiple echoplexes, or expensive boxes like a TC2290 or Eventide. Jim L. Stafford wrote: > > Maybe some of you EDP'ers can answer this for me: Can the echoplex do > backward/forwards looping, or is it forward only? That would seem to be a > fairly trivial thing to implement (at least in software, don't know if the > hardware would support it.) and I would probably sell my first child to get > one if it did. ;) What I am looking for specifically, is something w/ the > memory/power of an EDP that does bi-directional looping (forward, backward > & forward/backward). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 20:40:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA09248; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:40:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:40:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E728F2.8CF0CC64@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:22:43 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop subtraction References: <36E6FCEB.51C4@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XekNW2.0.031.Khnvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > Mark Landman wrote: > > > > This brings up the interesting question of how to "bring the loop back > > down", it's easy to quickly build a formidable wall of sound, but much > > harder to elegantly thin it outŠ snip > > > Well, just to point out the obvious (but perhaps not obvious to non-EDP users), the UNDO > function on the EDP lets you "unstack" sounds. another method i would guess is decrease feedback (with an edp) and play a repeating phrase... i do this quite frequently with the boomerang ... it can take a while but i like the effect.. you sort of "thin out" the loop by making a thick single --- umm hate to say it but "riff"... can also thin to "gentle noise" like swell harmonics or scrapes etc... it would be nice to have more control over feedback (making me again drool over the almost mythical edp -- effectively mythical in this country anyway)... cant you edp users just decrease the feedback to 0 and have whatever you play become a naked looped phrase again? can you "undo" this? again this would not exactly *be* loop subtraction... brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 20:47:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA11104; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:47:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:47:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E72AA8.C12C629C@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:30:01 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop subtraction References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UuJdp3.0.FW1.4onvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mark Landman wrote: > > If you had an exact duplicate of your original base pattern, inverted it's > amplitude, and mixed it at 50% with the loop, while playing it back > precisely in time/phase with the base pattern, that would do the trick. > Kinda hard to do thoughŠ ahhh don't just mix it in... *modulate* the loop with it....this would be a "non-volitile" way of getting something resembling subtraction... it would certainly thin things out at least thanks Mark... i just thought of another use for that cheesy se-50 vocoder... (hmm reminds me of a warning i saw on a hair dryer in japan..."please do not use for the other purpose"... creepy) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 21:28:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA22158; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:28:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:28:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:12:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Vortex Expression Pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"XONCd1.0.2Z2.W0ovs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 3/10/99 Cliff Novey wrote: >i just got a Boss-EV5 to use with my Vortex- I notice that it does not >necessarily change the value the full range- like it goes from 60A to >01B - I have fiddled with the volume on the pedal with no luck- anyone >had this problem before? > >Cliff Hi Cliff, I had the same problem with my EV-5. Must be a limitation of the pedal. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT "fascinating aural images...luminous portraits of sound & vision..." Outburn 8 www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 21:37:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA23597; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:37:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:37:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: Video Looping Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:51:34 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be6b61$b2435730$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <298D5225B4E@knme1.unm.edu> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"l2GxK3.0.W13.m6ovs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anybody seen any of the Nam June Paik exhibits? I happen to catch the Electronic Superhighway show in Philly about 2 years ago. It has some great feedback based video looping with mixed media. I thought it was a great show and very creative. Check this for some shots of the exhibits ... http://www.panix.com:com80/~fluxus/FluX/ESH.html There is also a small permanent display of Nam Junk Paik looping in Philly at the corner of Callowhill and 16th street (in a setback next to the WaWa). I used to walk by it everyday on my way to work and always checked the TV screens ... a kind of video based "mood ring"! If your a big Paik fan, you can buy a video from The Kitchen in NYC. The music is by Phillip Glass. http://www.thekitchen.org/collection.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 10 22:52:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA09694; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:52:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:52:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E736A6.AE153E84@columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:21:40 -0500 From: Morgan Lang Reply-To: mhl21@columbia.edu X-Sender: "Morgan Lang" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06C-NECCK (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EIS/Deep Listening Band References: <199903090814.DAA19270@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2UDOq2.0.pF.xNpvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, all: Thanks for the many great replies to the "computers vs. things" question--I've learned a lot. I was wondering whether anyone on the list has heard/read about the EIS ("Extended Instrument System") originally developed by Pauline Olivieros in the '50's (at the San Francisco Tape Music Center) and now fully integrated with computers (yes, in a "live" performance) by David Gamper? I checked out the Deep Listening Band a few months ago (Olivieros, Gamper, and Stuart Dempster) and was amazed by the fact that the whole show was basically being "conducted" via a series of linked laptops, one per performer. I recall remarking to my friend that the show could come to an unpleasant and abrupt end if someone hadn't partitioned their hard drive correctly! We snickered at the thought that the rather somber music might be interrupted by the Mac OS's obnoxious "error" bleep any moment. I guess if the musicians were really cool about it they would've pretended it was part of the music. "Bleep! Bleep!" The points that have been raised about the risk and inconvenience of using computers in a live setting are well taken. Olivieros has written volumes on the uses of tape and electronic media to facilitate live improvisation. She describes the EIS as "a performer controlled, delay-based network of digital sound processing devices which are used to create an improvising environment for acoustic musicians." Translated, I think this means that some MIDI-capable delay units are linked to a network of computers and the "acoustic" instruments can either be used as such or as controllers. Not a shockingly unique setup, really, but interesting because of the deliberate forgrounding of the human/machine and art/technology relationships that often get taken for granted. I would recommend that interested parties check out http://www.artswire.org/pof/EIShome.html This page gives some technical info on the EIS and provides links to articles about it. What do Loopers think about it? Best, MHL. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 03:29:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA31591; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 03:29:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 03:29:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E77F5C.BE5C6A78@magelang.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:31:24 -0800 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: EIS/Deep Listening Band References: <199903090814.DAA19270@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <36E736A6.AE153E84@columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i-Tif1.0.vn3.Rzsvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I saw Ms. Oliveros play last fall. She played a Just-Tuned Accordian w/ a pair of PCM-42 delays, a single piece about an hour long. Totally amazing, I'll never think of an accordian in the same way again. Jim Morgan Lang wrote: > > Hi, all: > > Thanks for the many great replies to the "computers vs. things" question--I've > learned a lot. I was wondering whether anyone on the list has heard/read about > the EIS ("Extended Instrument System") originally developed by Pauline > Olivieros in the '50's (at the San Francisco Tape Music Center) and now fully > integrated with computers (yes, in a "live" performance) by David Gamper? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 03:44:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA02857; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 03:44:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 03:44:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E7816D.5149B548@magelang.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:40:14 -0800 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marzzz@aol.com CC: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: EchoPlex References: <160a976b.36e7543e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9JUuK.0.NJ4.i5tvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Base systems are now $3300, each has 4 ins and outs, all w/ 24bit crystal converter chips that can run up to 100Khz. There are also 4 AES-EBU/SPDIF (switchable) i/o channels. You can add another 4 channels if you like. I also noticed that the latency could be set at 3 ms w/o affecting processing performance. The system I have now has 2 expansion cards with 2 DSP chips each, for a total of 7 chips. Jim Marzzz@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/10/99 7:21:23 PM, jcoker@magelang.com writes: > > >I just got a new Capybara 320 last night. (That's the > >new hardware for Kyma, www.symbolicsound.com) I wrote a > >stereo looper with both fowards and backwards output. > >The speed of the backwards output can be adjusted > >in real time. It only takes up 1/3 of one of the new > >DSP chips (each w/ 24MB of sample/delay memory). On > >top of that, the new 24-bit converters sound wonderful. > >Given that a new base system has 3 of these chips > >available, it seems to me to be a better deal than > >trying to find multiple echoplexes, or expensive > >boxes like a TC2290 or Eventide. > > I am turning an absolute vivid green from envy.......congrats! BTW- if dt is > reading the list, I would love to hear what he and some of our more > adventuresome loopeople could do with a machine like that. What do they cost > now, something like $3300 for a basic setup? Is that what you have? Do they > have multiple digital or analog outs now? > > Marshall From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 04:35:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA14997; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:35:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:35:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 02:50:18 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990311013722.007d7b20@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:37:22 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: loop subtraction In-Reply-To: <36E6A5F8.48D@mdbs.com> References: <000701be6b09$84c78ae0$526ad0d0@Ugh> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Iu0gw3.0.S11.nFuvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:03 PM 3/10/99 -0500, you wrote: >To me, what you're describing is a sort of "multi-track" looper. See my previous comment/review about the Sellon Jam-Man upgrade. Multi-track looping is an amazing tool. -Chuck Zwicky ........................................................................... But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on computers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 05:03:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA21036; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:03:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:03:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <1adb8a15.36e78ab1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:19:45 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Devices versus computers for live looping Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"fFAUs.0.wr2.Eiuvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear All, Hate to say it, but music has been around quite a bit longer than the computer, yes, even for electronic music; take Tangerine Dream for an example of this... The computer is just another tool, just like an Echoplex, or like a phase pedal is for me. Sometimes it's a good thing to use, and other times it can be just too much. IMHO it is a matter of moderation, that's all. I've seen (one-man) bands play, wherein the computers in sequencers and Loopers were necessary, and I've seen a few shows where the band was just WAY too dependent upon the effects, and when they ran into troubles, it was the end of the show. Other times, I've seen the performers just do a stripped down gig, or even go fairly acoustic. My own personal experience with the Luck of Technology staying with me during a gig has been incredible to say the least. Have only had a few gigs wherein the synthesizer rig or the electricity went out on me; kept some acoustic instruments around for just such an event. On the same token, there are times wherein the bands are going for as much glitz as possible, or in other cases need the computers there for them, 'cos of what they're playing. Watching a few Techno bands, whose main sequencer went south on 'em wasn't funny, especially when it happened in the very beginning of the show. That's it, $15.00 down the tubes... On the same token, I thought that Andy Summers and Joe Satriani did great jobs when they had to play without much processing at all. As to having a computer replacing players; well, I'm not one to talk on that note, but it just really won't happen in this century, nor probably any time soon. The computer can duplicate only what it is given for the music, but as to playing a solo back, or covering for a missed beat, or going on a musical tangent... Not just yet. The whole point of music is communication and expression. Let me get back to my POS S.u.S.E. 5.3 with the messy lilo and then onto some tune making. Have fun, and thanks for the people to talk to on getting the manual for the TSR24s. It's only $5.00 from Harmony Central, so it is only a matter of me sending the funds via snailmail. Tchus. Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 05:30:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA25840; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:30:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:30:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:07:58 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Bad memory warning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"kUBaT2.0.3V5.RPvvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, Another option out there is to check out www.marketpro.com and go to a computer show or three; most of the vendors are going to be fairly local to the show in question and most that sell any form of memory have a SIMM or DIMM checker handy to make sure that their respective wares are working. Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 05:37:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA27406; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:37:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:37:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36E725FD.51EE06D9@magelang.com> References: <4.1.19990310003512.00970ef0@mail.winternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:50:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EchoPlex Resent-Message-ID: <"XKcN51.0.Xg5.VSvvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 6:10 PM -0800 3/10/99, Jim Coker wrote: >I just got a new Capybara 320 last night. (That's the >new hardware for Kyma, www.symbolicsound.com) I wrote a >stereo looper with both fowards and backwards output. >The speed of the backwards output can be adjusted >in real time. It only takes up 1/3 of one of the new >DSP chips (each w/ 24MB of sample/delay memory). On >top of that, the new 24-bit converters sound wonderful. >Given that a new base system has 3 of these chips >available, it seems to me to be a better deal than >trying to find multiple echoplexes, or expensive >boxes like a TC2290 or Eventide. So long as you're willing to spend a whole lot of time programming it instead of playing it, sure! You could also get a copy of Visual C++ and never need to buy any software again. Just write it all yourself! :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 05:38:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA27638; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:38:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:38:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990311013722.007d7b20@POP.VISI.com> References: <36E6A5F8.48D@mdbs.com> <000701be6b09$84c78ae0$526ad0d0@Ugh> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 02:17:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loop subtraction Resent-Message-ID: <"kKrnU2.0.Cw5.oYvvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:37 PM -0800 3/10/99, Chuck Zwicky wrote: >At 12:03 PM 3/10/99 -0500, you wrote: >>To me, what you're describing is a sort of "multi-track" looper. > >See my previous comment/review about the Sellon Jam-Man upgrade. >Multi-track looping is an amazing tool. > How do you control such features in the upgrade? Multitrack looping takes a lot of user interface, and the Jamman was pretty spartan even for the features that it had in the first place. Do you need lots of midi controllers, then? And how do you tell what it's doing with hardly any display? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 05:56:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA30890; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:56:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:56:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000701be6b09$84c78ae0$526ad0d0@Ugh> <4.1.19990310003512.00970ef0@mail.winternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:30:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loop subtraction Resent-Message-ID: <"BTS9T2.0.he5.xRvvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:48 AM -0800 3/10/99, Chris Chovit wrote: >Perhaps there would be a way to just make the "subtrating signal" out of >phase with the main signal, and this might create a similar effect, as the >signals would cancel each other. I can imagine the usefulness of >this....loops can get pretty busy, and you could "thin it out" using this >method. Phase tricks are pretty easy, and probably do a lot of what you are looking for. The neat thing is, it's actually rather hard to to get the whole signal to match perfectly. The lower frequencies will cancel out pretty easily, and then you'll have a bunch of higher frequency stuff left over, which can sound pretty neat. Here's some ideas for this: There are fun things you can do with two loopers. You need one looping source (which can be anything) and a second looper to record it into (should be an audio looper), and some way to accurately sync the loop lengths together. Then you need some way to invert one of them and mix them back together. So you create your loop in the first one, then record it in the second one, so that both have the same thing in it. Then mix them together and play around. For your idea, maybe you'd want to send the initial basic loop to the second unit (which might be left muted), then go back to the first and build your loop up further. Then bring your basic loop back, inverted, and mix it in to cancel out with the more complex loop now in the first unit. For me, the thing that is really interesting is that the methods you would likely use to sync the two loops are probably not sample accurate. Midi clock, for instance. Fine for rhythm, but not for phase. So what happens is, the phase cancellations randomly change with each repetition of the loop! To get this effect, you don't even need to invert the signal. For example, sometimes I'll take my old drum machine, and play a drum loop with the midi clock output and the audio connected to an echoplex. I'll record the drum output in an echoplex loop, sync'd to the drum machine's clock. Then just listen to the out put with the two playing at the same time. Sometimes it's nearly perfectly in phase, and loud, sometimes its nearly perfectly out of phase and very thin. Most of the time it's somewhere in between. Very fun.... You can even record this effect in the loop, by using overdub to add the same loop that you recorded in the first record. >Maybe it could be done within an echoplex: have an insert mode = >"subtract", in addition to the reverse and other insert modes. interesting, but it probably wouldn't do much. You really need to have the second signal be very similar to the original, with the phase in some consistent relation for this sort of thing to work. (or at least work in some simple way where we don't have to write a buch of code to be tracking phase of the two signals and trying to shift and align them and such. ick..;-) Use the trick above. Besides, insert mode is looking realy crowded lately. > Kim, any >new versions of the software in the planning stages? Now, you know damn well I won't tell you. You think I'm gonna let something slip? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 06:10:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA01302; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 06:10:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 06:10:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36E728F2.8CF0CC64@latrobe.edu.au> References: <36E6FCEB.51C4@mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:42:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loop subtraction Resent-Message-ID: <"JY9qt1.0.0f5._Rvvs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 6:22 PM -0800 3/10/99, b.knox wrote: >"Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > >> Mark Landman wrote: >> > >> > This brings up the interesting question of how to "bring the loop back >> > down", it's easy to quickly build a formidable wall of sound, but much >> > harder to elegantly thin it out=8A > >snip > >> >> >> Well, just to point out the obvious (but perhaps not obvious to non-EDP >>users), the UNDO >> function on the EDP lets you "unstack" sounds. also, the loop copying methods someone else mentioned. >another method i would guess is decrease feedback (with an edp) and play a >repeating phrase... i >do this quite frequently with the boomerang ... it can take a while but i >like the effect.. you >sort of "thin out" the loop by making a thick single --- umm hate to say >it but "riff"... can >also thin to "gentle noise" like swell harmonics or scrapes etc... it >would be nice to have more >control over feedback (making me again drool over the almost mythical edp >-- effectively mythical >in this country anyway)... =46eedback control is a great way to evolve loops. As the loop is slowly dying, you add new things to it until it is something else. We've talked about that before. One problem you hit with it is with really long loops. A 30 second loop, and you'll be waiting a long time for feedback to have some effect! The great trick Matthias taught me is to snip out a smaller piece of your loop to make a much shorter loop, and apply feedback to that while adding new material. The evolution goes much faster that way. On the Echoplex you can do this really easily by using the multiply-record combination. If you have multiply going, and tap record to end it, you define a new loop at that point. So you might decide that some short stretch in your long loop is an interesting theme for evolving into a new section. Tap multiply at the beginning of that, and Record at the end of it. Then you'll have a short loop of just that bit. Then turn feedback down, overdub on, and evolve away.... > >cant you edp users just decrease the feedback to 0 and have whatever you >play become a naked >looped phrase again? can you "undo" this? again this would not exactly >*be* loop subtraction... you can undo feedback. So the loop can decay from reduced feedback, and then you bring it back with undo. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 11:10:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA19820; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:10:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:10:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:27:23 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990311091525.0079f490@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:15:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: loop subtraction In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990311013722.007d7b20@POP.VISI.com> <36E6A5F8.48D@mdbs.com> <000701be6b09$84c78ae0$526ad0d0@Ugh> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"BnPV1.0.fX1.74-vs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:17 AM 3/11/99 -0800, you wrote: >How do you control such features in the upgrade? Multitrack looping takes a >lot of user interface, and the Jamman was pretty spartan even for the >features that it had in the first place. Do you need lots of midi >controllers, then? And how do you tell what it's doing with hardly any >display? Multitrack looping doesn't require much more of an interface, actually. The same set of 20 MIDI program changes control the various aspects of recording and overdubbing: Here is the MIDI program change controller layout that I proposed to Bob Sellon: The first 10 functions operate on a page or global basis: 0 TAP 1 RESET 2 BYPASS 3 LOOP/DELAY MODE 4 START/STOP 5 FADE ALL 6 SELECT PAGE 1 (LOOP 1) 7 SELECT PAGE 2 (LOOP 2) 8 SELECT PAGE 3 (LOOP 3) 9 SELECT PAGE 4 (LOOP 4) The next 10 functions operate on a per channel basis: 10 CLICK ON/OFF 11 SLAPBACK DELAY ON/OFF 12 REVERSE 13 REPLACE 14 LAYER 15 CHANNEL FADE (Individual track fade) 16 SELECT/MUTE CHANNEL 1 (TRACK 1) 17 SELECT/MUTE CHANNEL 2 (TRACK 2) 18 SELECT/MUTE CHANNEL 3 (TRACK 3) 19 SELECT/MUTE CHANNEL 4 (TRACK 4) In addition, the functionality of the right knob, which used to select the time base of the loop, (and used to dump the contents of the memory if it were adjusted while running), has ben significantly changed: Label Description MIDI Channel Selects the MIDI channel to which the system will respond Audio Threshold This sets the signal level at which the system will trigger (start recording, restart playback) if the Operating Mode is set for Sampler. Output Level This a soft controllable output level control. This can be stored if the EEPROM is installed and can also be controlled via MIDI Controller Dry Level This sets the signal level of the dry input signal through the DSP. This is useful if you are using the system "in line" and want to have MIDI control of the dry signal. If used in an effects loop, this is usually set to 0. (note- the dry signal in this mode is summed to mono.)(also note that Mix knob needs to be set for 100% Wet to use the Dry Level control effectively. Slap Time This sets the delay time of the built in slap delay Slap Level This sets the signal level of the built in slap delay. Click Level This sets the signal level of the "Click" (Metronome) Level This sets the signal level of the "Active" Channel Pan This sets the "Pan" (left/right position) of the signal in the stereo output image Echo Divide This defines how the loop size is divided up when the Function is set for Delay. Feedback This sets the amount of the output that is fed back into the input when the Function is set for Delay. Function This defines which "Function" will become active when the TAP button is pressed (after the initial loop is "tapped" in). Operating Mode This defines the global Operating Mode of the system. Num Beats This defines the number of beats that will be assigned to the loop. This effects the "Click" and MIDI clock in and out. Page This selects the current page for editing (pressing TAP makes it "Active"). Channel This selects the current channel for editing (pressing TAP makes it "Active"). ........................................................................... But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on computers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 14:37:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA21172; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:37:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:37:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E823C5.A256AE26@magelang.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:12:53 -0800 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EchoPlex References: <4.1.19990310003512.00970ef0@mail.winternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G1cAb1.0.0D3.nF1ws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > > So long as you're willing to spend a whole lot of time programming it > instead of playing it, sure! You could also get a copy of Visual C++ and > never need to buy any software again. Just write it all yourself! :-) > Get real Kim: One doesn't program 56000 assembler when using Kyma. One constructs patches by hooking together pre-built algorithms and typing in values or expressions for various parameters. I won't say that it's trivial, but much easier than say, programming in Max or Max MSP (due mostly to Max's absurd semantics), or using a 2 line lcd as most FX boxes do, or any of the usual low level DSP options (CSound, C, C++, SuperCollider etc.). Some of the more choice of the many built in algorithms include: DelayWithFeedback (delay time can be modulated, up to 3 minutes of delay per DSP chip) SpecralAnalysis (Real time FFT w/ pitch detection) SumOfSines (oscillator bank for resynthesis or additive synthesis) SampleCloud (real-time sample granulation) KeyMappedMultiSample (Disk or Ram based Sampling) Vocoder (25 bands per chip) It's certainly not for everyone (I duly respect those who would rather not include a computer in their rig), but for those who are tired of being frustrated by the limitations in the equipement they've been using, it offers a unique and powerful alternative. It is also a pretty good cure for New Gear Syndrome. Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 14:44:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA22415; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:44:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:44:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E818E0.58D38E4A@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:26:24 +0000 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop subtraction + VST looper plugin? References: <199903110808.DAA26602@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GY8hl3.0.WL4.aW1ws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Take a look at my previous post. 4 stereo loops and I only stopped at 4 because I was running out of MIDI switches. It would be easy to run 8 or even 16 with a P2 with fades, panning, speed and direction control using Audiomulch. Incidentally its for PC only. The biggest drawback is that the loops aren't synchable, but there again, you might like that! Think of it as a poor man's Kyma. I've been plugging in pitchshifters, ring mods and filters for days now and its awesome, (still a beta though) Incidentally can anyone write VST plugins on this list? I'm looking for the ultimate looper plugin of course. The one I'm using is fine but I just need a little more delay...... Gareth > Terry Riley invented something like that. It was essentially a multitrack > tape looper. A San Francisco musician named Paul Drescher built a very > similar system with 4 tracks and a footswitch for each track. You could > probably build one from a four track reel-to-reel without too much trouble. > It might take some design to work in footswitches, variable loop lenghtt, > etc.. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 15:17:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA28631; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:17:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:17:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE6BAE.72B68B80.stevehan@transworld-lax.com> From: Steve Han Reply-To: "stevehan@transworld-lax.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #92 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:59:34 -0800 Organization: Transworld Freight Systems X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OboLu.0.lB3.aF1ws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, I agree wholeheartedly. Dear Bob and Javier, Your past posts were very intelligent, informative, and poignant. It is clear that both of you are very knowledgeable and articulate. It is surprising that your comments for eachother were so harsh and personal. Please reconcile and help us make our group transcend beyond ego and pride. We are rare breed of pioneers of musical technology. Sharing and debating our individual views and knowledges builds our strength and quality. Let's help eachother grow and make our group attractive and informative to our members and newcomers. Steve (Curbie) -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@atitech.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 11:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; BOB HENRY Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #92 At 10:59 AM 3/10/99 GMT+7, BOB HENRY wrote: >(Bob H. reply to Javier Miranda V.) > >Are you some kind of IDEOT or what??? You go right ahead and >"Highly Object" to what I said. Fact is, that little tight-holed >anus-sphincker boys such as yourself have such a little mind, that >you had to take offense at a statement that I made. please calm down. we don't act this way here. That's what usenet is for. :-) It's a very easy thing to hold rational, intelligent debates without making needless personal attacks. Please keep that in mind when posting here. kim _________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS kflint@atitech.com ATI Research 408-752-9284 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 17:55:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA01451; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:55:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:55:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001e01be6c13$28722420$bc22a2d1@i658574> From: "Peter Spoecker" To: Subject: Re: Cthugha program Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:01:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gtPIv2.0.hb7.lQ4ws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the information. I'll try downloading the demo version of Imagine and see what it looks like. The information on the site is a bit sparse about specifics (like what video capture boards are supported, is it Mac or PC or both, etc.) I still haven't been able to get the Cthuga program to work either on my computer or my brother's. You get a series of stills that you can sequence with any key, but no effect with sound. On my brother's computer there's the additional problem that the images only fill the upper half of the screen. Anybody out there with personal experience with this program? What could be happening here that I can't get it to work? All in all so far this program looks like a lot of the "freeware" that I've had experience with over the years; some good fun ideas, but not quite there yet. Peter >At 9:08 AM -0800 3/9/99, Peter Spoecker wrote: >>Another issue I've often wondered about is if there's any program that can >>modify video being played from an external input into a video card? >>Particularly cool would be sound activated color cycling. I've done this >>using an Amiga video toaster system in a rather complex configuration. >>Anybody know if there's a program around that lets you use sound as a >>modulation source for color cycling or otherwise modulating a video signal >>being displayed with a video card in a PC? > >I don't know if it will do everything you want, but Imagine allows >programmable manipulation of live video > >http://www.xs4all.nl/~steim/imagine.html > >Stuart > >Stuart Fox >CalArts Guitar >sgfox@music.calarts.edu > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 18:37:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA14285; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:37:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:37:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:14:40 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Pee Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Devices versus computers for live looping In-Reply-To: <1adb8a15.36e78ab1@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"FUtmZ1.0.gc1.Dw4ws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I always thought of the machines that Tangerine Dream used as computers. There were a lot of synched-up arpeggiators and stuff. It was before the phenomenon of "click and drag" composing, but I think that they were using the computers available at the time.Not that I know a lot about Tangerine Dream--I don't. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Another example of electronic music without computers is the early tape collage-ists, or composers of "musique concrete" like Stockhausen. I agree with you on the overuse of computers in the live format. I've been to enough shows of just a guy on stage in front of a laptop clicking a mouse, you know, where the guy composed all of his tracks at home and just switches them on and off on stage. I don't get any entertainment from that. Don't get me wrong, I'm really impressed with a lot musicians using computers to make recorded music, especially because they give the musicians the chance to add tracks when they're inspired, not just when their studio time is scheduled. When I pay $10 to go to a show, I want to see a creative act, not just folks playing all of the songs saved on thier hard drives. matt On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 M3chakucha@aol.com wrote: > Dear All, > > Hate to say it, but music has been around quite a bit longer than the > computer, yes, even for electronic music; take Tangerine Dream for an example > of this... The computer is just another tool, just like an Echoplex, or like > a phase pedal is for me. Sometimes it's a good thing to use, and other times > it can be just too much. IMHO it is a matter of moderation, that's all. > > I've seen (one-man) bands play, wherein the computers in sequencers and > Loopers were necessary, and I've seen a few shows where the band was just WAY > too dependent upon the effects, and when they ran into troubles, it was the > end of the show. Other times, I've seen the performers just do a stripped > down gig, or even go fairly acoustic. > My own personal experience with the Luck of Technology staying with me during > a gig has been incredible to say the least. Have only had a few gigs wherein > the synthesizer rig or the electricity went out on me; kept some acoustic > instruments around for just such an event. > > On the same token, there are times wherein the bands are going for as much > glitz as possible, or in other cases need the computers there for them, 'cos > of what they're playing. Watching a few Techno bands, whose main sequencer > went south on 'em wasn't funny, especially when it happened in the very > beginning of the show. That's it, $15.00 down the tubes... On the same > token, I thought that Andy Summers and Joe Satriani did great jobs when they > had to play without much processing at all. > > As to having a computer replacing players; well, I'm not one to talk on that > note, but it just really won't happen in this century, nor probably any time > soon. The computer can duplicate only what it is given for the music, but as > to playing a solo back, or covering for a missed beat, or going on a musical > tangent... Not just yet. The whole point of music is communication and > expression. Let me get back to my POS S.u.S.E. 5.3 with the messy lilo and > then onto some tune making. > > Have fun, and thanks for the people to talk to on getting the manual for the > TSR24s. It's only $5.00 from Harmony Central, so it is only a matter of me > sending the funds via snailmail. > > Tchus. > > Lee-ohki. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 19:59:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA09265; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:59:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:59:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <7a6c6420.36e86525@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:51:49 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Devices versus computers for live looping Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"wQV4l3.0.Su1.LK6ws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Matt, Yes, you are quite correct, the early sequencers that were created by both Peter Bauman and Edgar Froese were computers, just as a digital watch, or even an analogue calculator is a computer (we won't mention that the synthesizers themselves are computers, too) in that sense. Now, I will be the first one to agree with you in "click and drag" composing being a wonderful thing, especially since it brings more to bear when trying to create something new, and also for recreating a particuliar phrase or passage by a different instrument. As to the original point of this post, placing all of one's eggs in the same basket can get you into troubles when it goes down on you during a gig. Another issue is that so much of a computer's resources are going to be in just running the OS, let alone any of the software/hardware within the system. Going with separate boxes has always ended up being the better way for me personally, as it leaves more options open should something go wrong. There is also that fact that a separate effect unit usually has more control over a particuliar effect than with a system that has quite a number of different effects in them. All in all, the most important part is to have fun! Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 20:26:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA15376; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:26:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:26:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903120125.UAA23282@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:19:58 -0500 Subject: RE: DLB & EIS From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7YHYB3.0.PG3.6k6ws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I saw Ms. Oliveros play last fall. She played a Just-Tuned >Accordian w/ a pair of PCM-42 delays, a single piece >about an hour long. Totally amazing, I'll never think >of an accordian in the same way again. The Pauline Oliveros foundation & The Deep Listening Space are located nearby in Kingston, NY. I've had the opportunity to play there as well as see the EIS in action a couple of times - pretty wild - I don't know the exact specs but I believe it's several PCM42's controlled by a Max interface. Pauline & David Gamper (afaik - the main tech guy behind EIS) are both wonderful & performers & people and very generous with their knowledge . Check out http:// www.deeplistening.org for info From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 21:06:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA22981; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:47:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:47:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E81947.E4C24362@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:28:12 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: John Cage (no loops) References: <530e5ff9.36e6f0da@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KgAru2.0.pW4.5Z1ws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com PJBMHB@aol.com wrote: > cage was an expert on mushrooms. pj sure, but who doesn't feel like an *expert* on 'shrooms? :~) -lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 21:07:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA00391; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:39:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:39:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000101be6a4f$7131c3c0$3622a2d1@i658574> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:00:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Stuart Fox Subject: Re: Cthugha program Resent-Message-ID: <"l_cdj.0.UK7.dP2ws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:08 AM -0800 3/9/99, Peter Spoecker wrote: >Another issue I've often wondered about is if there's any program that can >modify video being played from an external input into a video card? >Particularly cool would be sound activated color cycling. I've done this >using an Amiga video toaster system in a rather complex configuration. >Anybody know if there's a program around that lets you use sound as a >modulation source for color cycling or otherwise modulating a video signal >being displayed with a video card in a PC? I don't know if it will do everything you want, but Imagine allows programmable manipulation of live video http://www.xs4all.nl/~steim/imagine.html Stuart Stuart Fox CalArts Guitar sgfox@music.calarts.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 21:36:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA00991; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:36:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:36:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E878BD.720@pop.interport.net> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:15:28 -0500 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:bob moog & big briar References: <199903120125.UAA23282@ulster.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wNxvB1.0.gq6.ZZ7ws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does anyone have any experience with the analog synthesizers Bob Mooog is producing nowadays. Check out the Big Briar website. Also very interesting looping possibilities - he makes Theramins. jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 21:50:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA04885; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:50:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:50:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990311214852.0079d480@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:48:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Devices versus computers for live looping In-Reply-To: References: <1adb8a15.36e78ab1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"g76u-3.0.Ao.5_7ws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matt's mention of Tangerine Dream's sequencing innovations reminds me of something I read somewhere long ago regarding the origins of the PPG Waveform synth (if I remember correctly) which kind of relates both to this thread and to the video looping one. Apparently Froese and Co. had commissioned the design of a computerized system to control their LIGHT SHOW when someone involved in the project had the brainstorm of applying the technology to audio, thus leading to the introduction of a new kind of instrument using a new approach to synthesis. (I'm not sure of the specifics, but I think I read this in a Contemporary Keyboard interview with Edgar Froese sometime in the early 'eighties). It's another example of someone's use of a piece of equipment for a purpose other than that for which it was designed contributing to musical evolution, and another reason for us to keep our minds open regarding the tools we use, whether or not they're on the cutting edge of technology. By looking for new ways to use the stuff that's already here, we create a niche for the gear of tomorrow, and that in turn influences the possible directions the music can take. Lee-ohki is right; we've got many tools from which to choose; high-tech, low-tech, or some combination of the two, and it makes no sense to impose arbitrary limits on our options by being absolutist. On the other hand, if someone CHOOSES to specialize and focus exclusively on a particular style, tool or technique, however retro or futurist it may be, that's up to them and we have no business telling them they're wrong. It's just nice to know that options are available. Oh, yeah; another example of computerless electronic music from about 70 years ago! Remember Lev Termen? (alias LEON THEREMIN to the English-speaking world) Now THERE was an innovator! Tim >Well, I always thought of the machines that Tangerine Dream used as >computers. There were a lot of synched-up arpeggiators and stuff. It >was before the phenomenon of "click and drag" composing, but I think >that they were using the computers available at the time. > Another example of electronic music without computers is the >early tape collage-ists, or composers of "musique concrete" like >Stockhausen. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 22:04:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA08427; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:04:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:04:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:26:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: jamman in stereo? Resent-Message-ID: <"G6emV2.0.we1.LB8ws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 3/11/99 Brian said: >any one tried to sync up two jammen? Yes >will they sync up? Yes... >will the slave unit respond to the master unit's commands >(tap,layer,mute,etc.,etc)? Yes, but sometimes that can be annoying, as in when you do not want them both synced up. I keep mine on separate MIDI channels and can then control either unit or both at the same time via a PMC-10. If you run the MIDI connection from one unit to the other. Then the first unit will control the loop length of the second one via the MIDI clock it sends. This is very annoying so If you do want to keep the ability to control them separately use a MIDI splitter box or the throughs form another unit. Or there is a way that Bob Sellon told us to turn off this aspect o the Jam Men, but I have to find my notes on that. It is similar to how you set the IDI channel. Does any one else remember? If not I'll find this info for you. BTW Nice piece on the Looper's CD Vol 2. Why does no one ever talk about this CD on the list? Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT "fascinating aural images...luminous portraits of sound & vision..." Outburn 8 www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 22:57:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA20263; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:57:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:57:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:33:55 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: LD CD 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"vYUfm.0.5_3.xj8ws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/12/99 1:03:17 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, patrick@his.com writes: << BTW Nice piece on the Looper's CD Vol 2. Why does no one ever talk about this CD on the list? >> as fact would have it, this is the last of some 45 posts from the group today and i tossed that jammer in my player a while back......what joy!!!!!!.......need i say more......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 11 23:46:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA29824; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:46:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:46:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E89AA7.E152F0C4@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:40:07 -0800 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Vortex Expression pedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-M8ya3.0.qm6.hd9ws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Well, I finally bought an expression pedal for my Vortex- it really opens up a LOT of possibilities- but it does not adjust the value the full 64 points in all cases- I actually need it to go the full 64- it is a Boss-EV5- has anyone had a similar problem? Any soloutions? By the way- the problem I was having with the value knob has dissappeared- I think it was never used by the previous owner and since I have been using it it has gone away- now I have the new part but I won't try to fix something that aint broke! Take care- STILL WAITING........ Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 00:11:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA02639; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:11:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:11:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:06:18 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Vortex Expression pedal Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"fvoBz.0.rR.U4Aws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/12/99 2:45:52 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, clifsound@earthlink.net writes: << the problem I was having with the value knob has dissappeared- I think it was never used by the previous owner and since I have been using it it has gone away- now I have the new part but I won't try to fix something that aint broke! >> wow ! ........... a self-healing machine........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 00:26:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA08785; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:26:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:26:04 -0500 From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:05:06 GMT Message-Id: <9903120505.AA03244@lhsgfw.littlewoods.co.uk> To: 4you2000@usa.net Subject: Free Equipment Buyers Guide and More.. 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COMPANY:_______________________________________ NAME:__________________________________________ TITLE:__________________________________________ ADDRESS:_______________________________________ CITY:_______________STATE:________ZIP:____________ PHONE:______________________FAX:________________ E-MAIL ADDRESS:_________________________________________ Please check any of the items below your have an interest in Racks ____Conveyor_____Shelving_______forklifts______ Dock Equipment______Office furniture & supplies______ Carousels____Mezzanines _____Other__________________ Remove instructions: To be removed from this and any future lists, send a reply to< free@equipment-catalog.com>with only the word REMOVE in the subject box From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 02:15:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA16287; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:15:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:15:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E8BD66.E0B97CF0@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:08:22 -0800 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Vortex expression Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kKEzO2.0.8p2.goBws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I fixed the problem I was having- I opened up the expression pedal and adjusted the linkage that controls the pot inside- works like a charm now- factory glue was meant to be broken, right? In regards to my Vortex knob problem: Michael wrote: >>wow ! ........... a self-healing machine........michael<< ...the best kind to get, they just don't advertise on the box! Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 02:50:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA25307; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:50:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:50:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: "Loopers' Delight" Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #92 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:42:18 -0800 Message-ID: <001a01be6c5b$db003440$21ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <36E6E678.3FD7@pop.interport.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"E7Wsg.0.z_5.NPCws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd like to apologise to the group for the slight bang with Bob H. I did get off line in my attitude towards him and, upon reflection, I find there is more room for, as Bob H. recommends, a more "dignified" approach to our replies. I never intended a personal bent in what I said to Bob H. I was merely inflicting my own philosophical musings on him. In a day and age of 30-second commercials, it is no longer wise to expect a person to reflect beyond the mere appearance of words. It is more disheartening to see it happen via e-mail especially, where we feel a bit more freedom to disclose our stream of consciousness. I hope to continue contributing little speech bubbles to these Looper's winds — just hope they won't blow up on someone's face again. Thank you all. Javier Miranda V. Berkeley, Calif. -----Original Message----- From: John + Diane Parada [mailto:jparada@pop.interport.net] Sent: Wednesday 10 March 1999 1:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #92 Javier Miranda vs Bob H. Pay per view event? I think not. Come on guys. You both inspired a lot of thinking and discussion, but show some class........or I'll lay the smackdown on both your candy asses. (Justfunnin).....be cool jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 03:21:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA32181; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 03:21:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 03:21:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: spat@visi.com Posted-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:59:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990312075753.006762d8@mail.visi.com> X-Sender: spat@mail.visi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:57:53 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex Expression pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"mR3K41.0.4l6.XcCws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ><< the problem I was having with the value knob has > dissappeared- I think it was never used by the previous owner and since > I have been using it it has gone away- now I have the new part but I > won't try to fix something that aint broke! > >> >wow ! ........... a self-healing machine........michael unfortunately, the self-healing is short lived. Your machine may be fine now, but just you wait until it decides to flake out again at the most inopportune moment possible.... can anyone verify if the factory repair is a *permanent* fix? steve From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 05:21:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA24180; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:21:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:21:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990312095901.006e99d0@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:59:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Cthugha program Resent-Message-ID: <"KSGDG2.0.mu4.bSEws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I downloaded the alpha W95 version and it works flawlessly for the moment. The sync with the music is there (along the CD is perfect, with line In I got some graphic stuttering) and the graphic textures are really impressive. I think this is one of the coolest progs I've ever tried. And interaction potentials are awesome. I've been hypnotized to the screen for hours, listening to Clifford Gilberto and UNKLE CDs. ciao leo At 15.01 11/03/99 -0800, you wrote: >Thanks for the information. I'll try downloading the demo version of >Imagine and see what it looks like. The information on the site is a bit >sparse about specifics (like what video capture boards are supported, is it >Mac or PC or both, etc.) >I still haven't been able to get the Cthuga program to work either on my >computer or my brother's. You get a series of stills that you can sequence >with any key, but no effect with sound. On my brother's computer there's >the additional problem that the images only fill the upper half of the >screen. Anybody out there with personal experience with this program? What >could be happening here that I can't get it to work? All in all so far this >program looks like a lot of the "freeware" that I've had experience with >over the years; some good fun ideas, but not quite there yet. > >Peter > > > >>At 9:08 AM -0800 3/9/99, Peter Spoecker wrote: >>>Another issue I've often wondered about is if there's any program that can >>>modify video being played from an external input into a video card? >>>Particularly cool would be sound activated color cycling. I've done this >>>using an Amiga video toaster system in a rather complex configuration. >>>Anybody know if there's a program around that lets you use sound as a >>>modulation source for color cycling or otherwise modulating a video signal >>>being displayed with a video card in a PC? >> >>I don't know if it will do everything you want, but Imagine allows >>programmable manipulation of live video >> >>http://www.xs4all.nl/~steim/imagine.html >> >>Stuart >> >>Stuart Fox >>CalArts Guitar >>sgfox@music.calarts.edu >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 07:39:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA21126; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:39:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:39:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005201be6c81$7d404ea0$db22a2d1@i658574> From: "Peter Spoecker" To: Subject: Re: Cthugha program Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:11:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oCA4b.0.Pv2.5_Fws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I tried the alpha W95 version and when I try to run it I get this message: A REQUIRED .DLL FILE, DINPUT.DLL NOT FOUND Anybody know what this is about? Where do I get this dinput.dll file? >I downloaded the alpha W95 version and it works flawlessly for the moment. >The sync with the music is there (along the CD is perfect, with line In I >got some graphic stuttering) and the graphic textures are really impressive. >I think this is one of the coolest progs I've ever tried. And interaction >potentials are awesome. I've been hypnotized to the screen for hours, >listening to Clifford Gilberto and UNKLE CDs. > >ciao >leo > >At 15.01 11/03/99 -0800, you wrote: >>Thanks for the information. I'll try downloading the demo version of >>Imagine and see what it looks like. The information on the site is a bit >>sparse about specifics (like what video capture boards are supported, is it >>Mac or PC or both, etc.) >>I still haven't been able to get the Cthuga program to work either on my >>computer or my brother's. You get a series of stills that you can sequence >>with any key, but no effect with sound. On my brother's computer there's >>the additional problem that the images only fill the upper half of the >>screen. Anybody out there with personal experience with this program? What >>could be happening here that I can't get it to work? All in all so far this >>program looks like a lot of the "freeware" that I've had experience with >>over the years; some good fun ideas, but not quite there yet. >> >>Peter >> >> >> >>>At 9:08 AM -0800 3/9/99, Peter Spoecker wrote: >>>>Another issue I've often wondered about is if there's any program that can >>>>modify video being played from an external input into a video card? >>>>Particularly cool would be sound activated color cycling. I've done this >>>>using an Amiga video toaster system in a rather complex configuration. >>>>Anybody know if there's a program around that lets you use sound as a >>>>modulation source for color cycling or otherwise modulating a video signal >>>>being displayed with a video card in a PC? >>> >>>I don't know if it will do everything you want, but Imagine allows >>>programmable manipulation of live video >>> >>>http://www.xs4all.nl/~steim/imagine.html >>> >>>Stuart >>> >>>Stuart Fox >>>CalArts Guitar >>>sgfox@music.calarts.edu >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 09:59:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA18096; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:59:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:59:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <81187A52F28ED21197D200805FBB030F4AB63F@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> From: "Wordsman, Lee" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Cthugha program Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:21:43 -0500 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"gdql01.0.zi2.HBIws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check out the Cthuga FAQ. I saw something about missing DLLs in there. > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Spoecker [mailto:spoecker@didgeridoings.com] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 7:11 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Cthugha program > > > I tried the alpha W95 version and when I try to run it I get > this message: > A REQUIRED .DLL FILE, DINPUT.DLL NOT FOUND > Anybody know what this is about? Where do I get this dinput.dll file? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 10:20:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA21796; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:20:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:20:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:28:04 -0500 (EST) From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199903121428.JAA29842@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"bo7ig.0.x73.zJIws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #105 March 11, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the sixth annual Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival featuring the music of the artists who will be performing. The festival will be on April 10 in Huizen, the Netherlands at the Theatre 3-in-1. Alfa-Centauri: http://home.wxs.nl/~quantumproductions RAMP : http:/www.netz-gronau.de/ramp Manikin : http://www.manikin.de EMUSIC Focus : http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html The feature CD at midnight was "Nodular" by RAMP on the Manikin label. Upcoming events announced: Arttek and Anamolous at Second Avenue in Bethlehem on March 18 and Star's End Gathering XVII with Richard Pinhas at St. Mary's Church in Philadelphia on March 19. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Metlay Band of Fire Band of Fire (Atomic City) Jiannis Zoomland 1 Nightsessions (Spheric) VA [Face in a Crowd] The Firth at Night Syntonic Waves Vol 7 (Spheric) Lambert Impetus Dimensions of Dreams (Spheric) Lee Barry Ice Moons Mile from Mars (Consilient) Firmament In a Landscape Open-EyedAscension(VelvetEmpire) 12:00 am RAMP intrip Nodular (Manikin) RAMP annular Nodular (Manikin) RAMP nodular Nodular (Manikin) RAMP angular Nodular (Manikin) RAMP before the storm Nodular (Manikin) RAMP phasenverzerrung Nodular (Manikin) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on the artists who will be performing at the sixth Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival in Huizen, the Netherlands. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be "The Introspective Spaces" by Stratosphere, a 3 inch, limited quantity CD on the Amplexus label. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 10:29:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA23980; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:29:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:29:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990312150246.5106.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [199.201.236.34] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: VJamm Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:02:46 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"OgYry.0.Gc4.XpIws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think this answers any questions on looping video/audio. you can download a free demo, or buy the program from: http://www.ninjatune.net/coldcut/vjamm/index.html VJamm is the worlds slickest and quickest PC video playback program. Featuring REAL TIME USER CONTROL from the computers keyboard or a Midi keyboard. What this means is that with VJamm you can play audiovisual clips-'avis'-as if they were just audio samples. It is like a piano for sound and vision. *play, load and save banks of up to 16 video clips. *reverse, pitch, speed up and slow down sound and video simultaneously, in real time, with settings different for each clip. *set clips start and end point with markers to cut them up to frame accuracy. *show thumbnail pix of all clips for fast jammin' reference, plus popup filenames. *randomly remix clips with the Cutomatic beat jugglin` chop function. Find out what they're REALLY saying! Burroughs would have loved it. *be triggered over Midi, letting you easily jam sequences of videoclips in synch with any Midi music system. Make a video as you make a track! Other killa features include: *tunable loop function helps loop up video breakbeats. *all settings, including those of individual clips, saved in convenient patch files. *very fast trigger time. *includes library of avi clips from Headspace, Coldcut and others. Get funky jamming with Coldcut hits from their massiv 'Let Us Play' LP. *includes utility to copy clips from CD to harddisk. *dark retrofuture videosynth interface. *plays any standard audiovisual .avifiles that your machine is set up for (Cinepak, Indeo etc). *also works with many special video boards eg: Fast Machines, Broadway, Miro for high quality output. *PAL/ and NTSC both supported. *1/4 screen and full screen modes. *Simultaneous use of PC control screen and full screen video output when using zoomable genlock (eg VineGen Pro) for professional VJ use. *in built sequencer to record your jams. *secret ItchyEye\0xAA videoscratch feature: this feature is FRESH to the world. *basically, be a superstar * instantly: *subject to availability Requirements: minimum: pentium PC 90 mhz, 16 MB, 16 bit (hi colour) graphics card, soundblaster compatible soundcard, 45 meg harddisk space, Windows95 or WindowsNT recommended: the more powerful PC you have, the more you can get out of VJamm. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 12:03:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA15271; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:03:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:03:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:07:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Mac software sources Resent-Message-ID: <"R60er2.0.jd7.GkJws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Off topic of course, but just sent this list to a friend & thought it might also be of use to our illustrious listmembers: Here's sources for some Mac music software, almost all of it freeware/shareware-- Harmony Central is THE place to buy & sell gear, but has a lot of other good stuff too. Get these two thru Harmony Central (http://www.harmony-central.com/Software/Mac/): Pedalfects- like eight stompboxes. It's usable realtime, but to save stuff you must register for $100--probably too much. Can get pretty wild, though. SoundMaker (demo) This is a really nice stereo sound editor with loads of effects which competes with the $500-700 programs, but sells right now for $30! Ordered mine! These two are "manglers"; AIFFs in, strangeness out: thOnk_0+2: http://www.audioease.com Argeiphontes Lyre: ftp://shoko.calarts.edu/pub/akira/al.sit.hqx ReBirth (demo): http://www.propellerheads.se Try the demo, lots o' fun. The best $160 I ever spent, and my main impetus to go all-software. ConvertMachine: http://www.kagi.com/rod This is cool; it will take nearly any form of soundfile and convert to different formats. Since many of these programs spit out their own flavors, I use it to quickly make them all plain-vanilla AIFFs. Syd (software syth): http://www.thepalace.com/jbum/ Kind of neat but not real intuitive to use. Still, it's free.... Soundhack- http://music.calarts.edu/~tre "SoundHack performs various soundfile manipulations that have been previously unavailable on the Macintosh. SoundHack includes soundfile type conversion, spectral mutation, spectral dynamics processing, a varispeed/sample rate converter, soundfile convolution, ring modulation, the phase vocoder, a binaural filter and an amplitude analysis and gain change module." MetaSynth- http://www.arboretum.com By the guy who created Bryce, it makes music out of PICTs! Impressive; try the demo- but the real deal is about 200 bucks.... MaCthugha- http://www.afn.org/~cthugha Pretty cool audio-to-video, billed as "an oscilloscope on acid". If I were to perform again, I'd want to get another guy to run this from my sounds. And besides Harmony Central, here's another good source: http://www.musicandaudio.com/mac3.htm David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 12:34:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA24042; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:34:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:34:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:12:51 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loopin' 'n' lightshow in DC area tomorrow night Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"cYabT2.0.NZ4.yiKws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9pm on Saturday, March 13th at Phantasmagoria located at 11319 Elkin Street in Wheaton MD, The Dark Aether Project will release their latest album "Feed The Silence" in a special performance complete with the spectacular visual work of the Ohio-based Solar Fire Lightshow and their multi-projection liquid light & film systems with multi-colored strobes, black lights, smoke, beams and other amazing visual effects. These are the same folks who do lights for Hawkwind and Gong as well as the Strange Daze and Orion Space Rock Festivals. Expose magazine says "amazing loops and shimmering textures that are at once haunting and dreamlike." Progression says "...jazz-inflected, classy, offers mature musicianship without pretentiousness...foreboding soundscape[s]". See: http://www.darkaether.net/ Special guest for the evening will be German Warr Guitarist Markus Reuter, member of Discipline Global Mobile recording artists Europa String Choir. Markus will be performing solo ambient loop-based Warr Guitar as heard on his solo CD "Taster". See: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/markus.htm Also on the bill are space rock improv greats Quarkspace. See: http://www.quarkspace.com/ Showtime is 9pm and admission price is $10. This is an all ages show Directions to Phantasmagoria: Take Washington DC Beltway (495) toward Silver Spring. Exit at Rt 97 (Georgia Ave) North towards Wheaton Go 2-3 miles on Georgia, keeping to the right Turn right on University Blvd (after Safeway) Take first right onto Elkin. Phantasmagoria is on the left at 11319 Plenty of safe free parking is available From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 13:52:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA14554; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:52:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:52:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001001be6cb1$98b89f40$2a3fdacf@sgoodman> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: VJamm and Video... Rights... Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:56:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"pQE8p.0.Bd7.YLLws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The aspect of using video in live performance is an important one for me, and while it's not always been possible to have good hookups in a facility, one would like to plan for as much of a presentation as possible, yes? Finding sources for material though, may travel into areas we've been to via this newsletter before, that is, copyrights.. The aspect of "noone's looking" is almost the opposite of an excuse if someone notices that you're putting on a Show utilizing copyrighted material - and I understand that there are some allowances, though I've not investigated it fully as yet (concentrating on upping my audio capabilities first, though having just entered into Video Capture Land, functionally). How, for instance, did the so-called "Zoo TV" bit proceed without anyone noticeably jumping up and yelling "infringement!"? The idea of performing with a bank of screens behind the band, frankly, was done by Lou Reed on his "Rock N Roll Heart" tour in the 70s (he used experimental and live video, though it clipped past quickly, and wasn't supposed to be a focus). Combine this with the Channel Surfing concept, and it would seem you have Zoo TV. Nonetheless, there MUST have been some noise about capturing various material in this manner. Anyhoo, I choose the original material path at this time. A fine, fine "screen saver" (though I chuckle at the use of the word these days) is the Psychedelic Screen Saver, by Synthesoft (http://www.synthesoft.com), which is audio-sensitive (so much so on a fast PC that it revealed a weak link in my system - the monitor isn't presently fast enough to keep up and NOT strobe noticeably). It's more than a spinning wireframe, too, and was used during last year's MTV Music Awards by one band (Silverchair? Korn? I don't know these new fellas much). Really beautiful effects. I contacted the folks at Synthesoft, who inform me that they have no restrictions on the use of their fine product, for either performance OR video tape use. They wouldn't mind having some credit for making the program, of course, which is IMNSHO is a positive business ethic at least. Stephen Goodman * It's the Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 14:27:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA20915; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:27:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:27:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36E96A5B.40A8@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:26:20 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Gear for sale or trade for Jamman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CgwSb2.0.gP4.RRMws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm redoing my stuff so; Boomerang(4min)325.00 Vortex 200.00 ADA MB-1 200.00 Will trade for Jamman or Korg DL8000 Thanks everyone and may all your loops reflect the devine, synchronistic harmony of the universe as it manifests though your unique place in space and time. scott From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 15:36:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA04670; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:36:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:36:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003201be6cc4$67062b80$fc22a2d1@i658574> From: "Peter Spoecker" To: Subject: Imagine Program Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:10:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gUGjs1.0.gC6.Q6Nws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've downloaded the demo version of Imagine and after decoding the .hqx file I ended up with a file called Imagine.sit which my computer doesn't know what to do with. This extracted file is also 1mb shorter than the original downloaded imsit.hqx file. Has anyone else downloaded the demo Imagine and gotten it to work? >I don't know if it will do everything you want, but Imagine allows >programmable manipulation of live video > >http://www.xs4all.nl/~steim/imagine.html > >Stuart > >Stuart Fox >CalArts Guitar >sgfox@music.calarts.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 15:55:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA09611; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:55:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:55:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990312204516.9881.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [199.201.236.34] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VJamm and Video... Rights... Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:45:15 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"wdTWj.0.8m1.ZqNws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The aspect of using video in live performance is an important one for me, and while it's not always been possible to have good hookups in a facility, one would like to plan for as much of a presentation as possible, yes? >Finding sources for material though, may travel into areas we've >been to via >this newsletter before, that is, copyrights.. The aspect of "noone's >looking" is almost the opposite of an excuse if someone notices that >you're >putting on a Show utilizing copyrighted material - and I understand >that >there are some allowances, though I've not investigated it fully as >yet >(concentrating on upping my audio capabilities first, though having >just >entered into Video Capture Land, functionally). Yes, there are copyright issues all over the place, but I don't see where it's really a problem with VJamm, sure the demo comes with pre-existing video footage, BUT you can load your own video clips via avi files.....where is the problem if you make the video clips yourself. I think VJamm is really going to be an important product for all kind of performers. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 15:50:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA08280; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:50:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:50:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990312192754.7148.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:27:54 -0800 (PST) From: petr dolak Subject: Fostex D-8 owners? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"qNK0U1.0.3D5.nmMws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone have some experience with Fostex D-8? I am looking for advices, privately: pepetr@yahoo.com == Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 18:14:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA08563; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:14:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:14:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Stevaum@aol.com Message-ID: <1ae10a9a.36e99897@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:43:35 EST To: BOBH@knme1.unm.edu, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Video Looping Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 53 Resent-Message-ID: <"uEJVn2.0.rU.3cPws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Bob! & all ya other looping freaks!!!!! this is in response to: Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 96 Subject: Video Looping From: "BOB HENRY" I have never done computer based or any other form of digital video looping. All of my video loops were done with 1/2" reel-to-reel (b+w & color) video equipment. I always used the looping technique of threading the videotape from one deck to the next. On several occasions I even used a third deck!!!. I got the idea to try this from Brian Eno's diagram of his audio loop system on the back cover of "Discreet Music". I agree that this was an extremely avant-garde mode of video exploration & was not avidly explored by many because of the level of difficulty to achieve good quality footage. All of my video looping was done while in college (undergraduate & graduate school) which is how I had access to the reel-to- reel equipment. I actually started using reel-to-reel video in high school, but hadn't got the inspiration to try looping until later. During the five or so years I was doing video loops I was the only artist who was doing so. I was aware that other video artist before me had explored this area of video art, but I was determined to take it further than anyone else had previously. I think I was interested in pursuing video looping, because I tend to do the things that others shy away from! You are also correct in your statement that splicing video loops is impractical (if not utterly impossible!)! Actually, I have never worked that way with audio, either. Never liked the idea of cutting the tape! Video of course was a "sync beast" waiting to be conquered. Dealing with the sync was a continual battle that I always struggled with. Not to mention glitches, because video looping is kinda hard on the tape; and the tape quality back then was not near as good as it is now! If you were to try to achieve a spliced video loop, as you suggest (& I bet you're correct no one has ever achieved this), you would have to have a mathematically perfect splice that ended on one video frame field as the next were beginning (& since you wouldn't be able to "see" where that was--I'm betting that's impossible)!!! I don't know if you're familiar with video frames, but it's not linear, like audio, & each video frame consists of two scanned fields. the video heads actually scan the tape at about a 45 degree angle (/). My days of experimenting with video loops is (probably) over forever. Even if I managed to find some reel-to-reel machines (& they would have to be in (near) perfect condition, there's no reel-to-reel videotape being made!!! Now I've heard (read) many of you mentioning Digital Video Looping which I know nothing about. Please enlighten me!!!!!!!!!! Loopingly yrs, Stevo Wolfson sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO (visual) Pupaum (audio) http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html (computer graphics) stevaum@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 18:58:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA20374; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:58:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:58:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "BOB HENRY" Organization: KNME-TV, University of New Mexico To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:49:20 GMT+7 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #101 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <2CE58A51658@knme1.unm.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"pVx6X1.0.WA4.sVQws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree with you on the overuse of computers in the live format. I've been to enough shows of just a guy on stage in front of a laptop clicking a mouse, you know, where the guy composed all of his tracks at home and just switches them on and off on stage. I don't get any entertainment from that. Don't get me wrong, I'm really impressed with a lot musicians using computers to make recorded music, especially because they give the musicians the chance to add tracks when they're inspired, not just when their studio time is scheduled. When I pay $10 to go to a show, I want to see a creative act, not just folks playing all of the songs saved on thier hard drives. matt Alright...kudos to Matt!!! I'm in agreement with U about live performance. Don't really see the point in paying money to see someone on stage "playing" their computer...what's the point, right? Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 19:13:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA24569; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:13:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:13:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <59e226df.36e9ac2d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:07:09 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Mac software/Cathuga/Macathug Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"MduzC1.0.-d5.0oQws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/12/99 11:47:12 AM, dmgraph@pulsewidth.com writes: <> MaCthuga runs itself in response to sound input, whether that sound is internal to the computer -CD, soundfiles on Hard drive etc., or external-via mic or direct input. On the Cathuga/MaCthuga theme, there's a new one of these audio to interperative video programs on the horiaon called "MidiKaleido" by Eric Wegner (inventor of Bryce and Metasynth) that should be out soon. It's currently in limited use/testing. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 19:22:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA30320; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:22:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:22:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:12:02 -0800 Message-ID: <001A72BB.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #101 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "BOB HENRY" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"lsrFj3.0.fU6.gwQws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matt... >> I agree with you on the overuse of computers in the live format. I've been to >> enough shows of just a guy on stage in front of a laptop clicking a mouse, >> you know, where the guy composed all of his tracks at home and just switches >> them on and off on stage. I don't get any entertainment from that. >> When I pay $10 to go to a show, I want to see a creative act, not just >> folks playing all of the songs saved on thier hard drives. Bob Henry... > Alright...kudos to Matt!!! I'm in agreement with U about live performance. > Don't really see the point in paying money to see someone on stage "playing" > their computer...what's the point, right? Well, that analogy works fine for, I guess, the people *you're* talking about. But when you start getting into people like Pauline Oliveros and others, who are developing real-time interactive computer interface methods, the issue gets much grayer. While it's easy to "write" a bunch of tunes, sequence them, then play backing tracks for you to show off to. It's far different when someone approaches each performance with a blank slate, no net, and an open mind to the possibilities. Walking the wire once again... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 19:28:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA00879; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:28:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:28:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Stevaum@aol.com Message-ID: <6bcffd0b.36e9af96@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:21:42 EST To: jbailey@corporate.southam.ca, loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Any Video Loopers? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 53 Resent-Message-ID: <"eQoLq2.0.nQ7.Y_Qws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Jim & Looping Delighters! Regarding: Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 97 Subject: RE: Any Video Loopers? From: Jim Bailey If you haven't already explored reel-to-reel video looping, chances are you never will! It would be pretty difficult to find reel-to-reel equipment in excellent working condition, or reel-to-reel videotape. WAIT A MINUTE!!! Even I don't like hearing myself say NEVER!!! If you wanted to customize current equipment, I see no reason why you couldn't explore video loops! Anyone out there, doing that, or know of anyone doing it? I would be very interested to hear about it. The only way to mix the video signals is with cameras and/or SEGs (Special Effects Generators). If you can believe it, when I first began experimenting with video looping, I naively tried "y-adapting" the video signals!!! Hello, sync signal!!! Regardless of how difficult video looping was to work with, I achieved marvelous results on many occasions. I also used all types of different methods to create my video looping tapes. I became an expert at (as you call it) "the old camera-pointed-at-the-monitor trick". I LOVE VIDEO FEEDBACK!!! & have spent hundreds of hours perfecting the technique. One year at Siggraph (International Computer Graphics Convention), I had some real "Pioneers" of video & computer technology, actually thinking my video feedback was created using computer graphics. They just couldn't believe I had achieved what they were seeing, by just aiming a camera into a video monitor, with no other effects involved!!! I think that video feedback is one of the most awesome examples of looping, & proof of the organic nature of the electronic medium!!! Any comments (or experiences) from the studio audience? stevo in yr loopaholics Stevo Wolfson - Electronic Media Artist sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO (visual) Pupaum (audio) http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html (computer art) stevaum@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 19:38:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA05982; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:38:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:38:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Ian Hunter" To: Subject: first time in! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:27:44 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990312232407Z32142-330+44035@mail.compusmart.ab.ca> Resent-Message-ID: <"em-uE.0.jx2.DDQws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com greetings! Just bought a used Lexicon Jamman...Now what the hell do I do with it??? HAHAHA Actually, I play six string bass and want to get into that wonderful Mark Egan/Dave Friesen looped bass textured playing. Great stuff! If anyone has any suggestions, comments, please drop me a note, and I'm looking forward to getting in on the discussions! Ian http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/paragon ************************************************* Let me start by expressing relief that there still is a "state of the bass guitar" in a world of sequencer musicians and low-brain-capacity listeners. (Anthony Jackson) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 19:08:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA23005; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:08:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:08:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "BOB HENRY" Organization: KNME-TV, University of New Mexico To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:01:11 GMT+7 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #101 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <2CE8B453950@knme1.unm.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"CO_aA.0.pA5.ugQws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd like to apologise to the group for the slight bang with Bob H. I did get off line in my attitude towards him and, upon reflection, I find there is more room for, as Bob H. recommends, a more "dignified" approach to our replies. I never intended a personal bent in what I said to Bob H. I was merely inflicting my own philosophical musings on him. In a day and age of 30-second commercials, it is no longer wise to expect a person to reflect beyond the mere appearance of words. It is more disheartening to see it happen via e-mail especially, where we feel a bit more freedom to disclose our stream of consciousness. I hope to continue contributing little speech bubbles to these Looper's winds _ just hope they won't blow up on someone's face again. Thank you all. Javier Miranda V. Berkeley, Calif. Well, spose it's my turn to step up to the plate and offer my profound appologies as well. Yes, I have a short fuse and as most of U had seen, I back-fired when I felt I was attacked... Sorry, Javier. Fact is, this is a really great "chat" here. Hope it continues on! Cheers! BH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 20:58:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA32172; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:58:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:58:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903130158.UAA11677@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:52:32 -0500 Subject: Anyone using Minidisc for looping? From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1ctTc1.0.8Y7.IJSws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm considering getting a Minidisc recorder and seem to remember hearing that they can be used for looping bya combination of precise track ID placement, repeat mode & the anti-skip memory feature ( whatever it's called...) Of course the salesman at the local Circuit City took 5 minutes to figure out how the disc went in! Imagine his confusion when I asked if he knew about editing track id's... If anyone out there is doing this or knows where I can get some definite info on the subjec, please let me know. Thanks, jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 12 21:07:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA01878; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:07:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:07:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <99Mar12.205229est.19620@Donmills.corporate.southam.ca> From: Jim Bailey To: "'Stevaum@aol.com'" , "'looppost'" Subject: RE: Any Video Loopers? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:54:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE6CCA.831A8720" Resent-Message-ID: <"mIogc1.0.ZY7.KJSws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE6CCA.831A8720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >If you haven't already explored reel-to-reel video looping, chances are = you >never will! It would be pretty difficult to find reel-to-reel equipment = in >excellent working condition, or reel-to-reel videotape. Sorta figured that, but thought I'd ask about it anyway.=20 >The only way to mix the video signals is with cameras and/or SEGs = (Special >Effects Generators). If you can believe it, when I first began = experimenting >with video looping, I naively tried "y-adapting" the video signals!!! = Hello, >sync signal!!! I had wondered, way back then, if "y's" would work, and considered the = sync signal problem, but without actually being able to try it had no = idea what would happen (just what DOES happen, anyway?). Are there any = remnants from those experiments, or others from that era? >I think that video feedback is one of the most awesome examples of = looping, & >proof of the organic nature of the electronic medium!!! >Any comments (or experiences) from the studio audience? Yeah, I'm always amazed by it, too. I can imagine that the combination = of audio and video loops must be quite awesome. Those still pictures on = your site are fantastic, but moving ones would be even better!! Keep it up!! 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In-Reply-To: <199903130158.UAA11677@ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dtOBX3.0.u65.4lTws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:52 PM 3/12/99 -0500, you wrote: >I'm considering getting a Minidisc recorder... i don't use a minidisc recorder for loops per se, but i have one in my onstage rig and use it to record my improvised loops for tampering with on a later date. for this it's fantastic! a fairly inexpensive piece of gear with really cheap media (cheaper than analog tape!!!). i'd recomend one just for that. m p.s. - what a week! first stanley kubrick passes away and now i have to imagine king crimson as a levin/bruford-less quartet! argh! ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 13 05:09:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA20748; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 05:09:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 05:09:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Stevaum@aol.com Message-ID: <741978a.36ea3650@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:56:32 EST To: douglas-lawrence@home.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Video Looping Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 53 Resent-Message-ID: <"ugrvm3.0.ha4.kQZws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Douglas & Loopy Delighters, Regarding: Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 99 Subject: RE: Video Looping From: Douglas Lawrence OK, yes were straying slightly from the "Yellow Loop Road" here; but side trips can often be scenic & worth the extra mileage!!! I checked out the URL you provided For Nam June Paik and really enjoyed it! Nam June Paik is the Grandfather of Video Art and I have admired his work for more than 25 years. Around 1982 Paik did a huge retrospective show at the Museum of Contemporary Art in Chicago. At this exhibition one of his most ambitious & outstanding pieces was "Video Waterfall", a moutainesque tower of video monitors--and I'm sure you can figure out what the images were! While in Chicago he lectured & hung out at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, where I was a graduate student & Graduate Assistant for the Video Department; and at the Center for New Television where I was Assistant Facilities Coordinator, so I got to enjoy his visit from a close perspective! I also had the opportunity to spend a lot of time with Charlotte Moorman who had accompanied Paik, & performed playing cello wearing the Paik "Video Bra". Unfortunately, Moorman eventual died from breast cancer, which many contribute to her performing hundreds of times wearing the "Video Bra". While attending the Art Institute we had a host of Visiting (Video) Artist, including Shigeko Kubato, Paik's wife. Most also lectured and exhibited work at the Center for New Television. I consider myself fortunate to have had the opportunity to meet & get to know some of the leading pioneers of Video Art!!! Paik's Electronic Super Highway exhibition sounds really excellent! I wish I had seen it. I also trner of Callowhill and 16th street"!!! I was not aware of a Paik video from The Kitchen with music by Phillip Glass. I'll have to check that out. take care, stevo in yr video Stevo Wolfson - Electronic Media Artist sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO (visual) Pupaum (audio) http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html (computer art) stevaum@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 13 06:36:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA00536; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 06:36:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 06:36:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BE6D4B.A523BC70.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: LD CD 2 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:44:31 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kDu3e.0.Rg7.ybaws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > i tossed that jammer in my player a while back......what > joy!!!!!!.......need i say more...... wait until you hear LDCD1 which is IMHO at least as interesting as LDCD2. * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 13 09:39:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA03361; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:39:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:39:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990313093102.007a5900@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:31:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Anyone using Minidisc for looping? In-Reply-To: <199903130158.UAA11677@ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zWfvj3.0.TV.mPdws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I use an MD deck in my setup, and while I don't use it as a live looper in the sense of real-time live input, it does come in handy as a source to pump prepared loops INTO live looping gear MIXED with real-time live input! I use it more as a cheap sampler. I suppose you COULD attempt to deal with real-time input, but any of the arguments we've heard over the past week re computers being impractical live because of the interface would be even more of a problem with a MiniDisc since you can't use a footswitch, you'd have to take your hand(s) off your instrument and the buttons are REALLY small. They're also almost impossible to see onstage, since they're black on black! (Okay, you probably COULD have the deck heavily modified for footswitch control and you could paint the buttons a contrasting color, but that's a lot to go through to end up with a seriously limited and inflexible looper!) As far as using it as a sampler, it's great. The repeat mode allows looping (but beware when shopping for a deck; they don't all HAVE repeat mode buttons on the front panel!). The "splice" is very subtle, but you have to take care to punch in/out precisely to avoid a glitch at the loop point; it often takes a few tries to get a good sample, hence you probably won't want to use it for live sound capture. It has its disadvantages when compared with a "real" sampler; lack of MIDI, no pitch correction, etc., but one big advantage I've found is there's no big wait for the thing to load! It takes a couple of seconds for a disc to load, then all of the samples on that disc are instantly accessible. A standard disc can hold 74 minutes stereo (twice that in mono) but you're limited to 25 track ID's, so most of my sample discs only use 10-20 percent of the disc's capacity. If you use a multitracker to dump your loops to the MD, you can set it up either as stereo or two paired mono tracks, then crossfade at the mixer. What I do sometimes is record a texture (synth, ebow, nature sounds, whatever) to multitrack, then overdub percussive stuff to it (hand drums, kit, electronic percussion, whatever). Then when I mix to the MiniDisc, I pan all the percussion to one side. That way, when you use the sample live you've got the option of mixing synched percussion in and out of your textural loop. You can also use this technique to crossfade two completely unrelated loops if you want. I use some old pre-MIDI analog synths with no presets, and the MiniDisc allows me to get the sound just right, then dump a sequence to MD, so I don't have to mess with setting up patches in real-time onstage, but can mutate them with delay and effects on their way into the loop. It doesn't eliminate the element of user control/live musicianship, it just changes the job description! Being able to use the display to name your samples makes it a lot easier to use the MiniDisc live, as THAT display is lighted! You just scroll through the samples until you see the name you want, then (as long as you've got REPEAT ALL selected) the sample will begin to loop automatically, without having to go searching for the tiny, black-on-black PLAY button. Another good thing is that if you really hate one sample on an otherwise useable disc, you can go in and replace it without disturbing the rest of the disc. The MiniDisc is a very useful looping tool indeed, but it won't replace the EDP or JamMan; it occupies an entirely different niche. Hope this helps, Tim At 08:52 PM 3/12/99 -0500, you wrote: >I'm considering getting a Minidisc recorder and seem to remember hearing >that they can be used for looping bya combination of precise track ID >placement, repeat mode & the anti-skip memory feature ( whatever it's >called...) > >Of course the salesman at the local Circuit City took 5 minutes to figure >out how the disc went in! >Imagine his confusion when I asked if he knew about editing track id's... > >If anyone out there is doing this or knows where I can get some definite >info on the subjec, please let me know. > >Thanks, > >jmw > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 13 10:41:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA11515; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:41:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:41:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903131535.KAA25578@mail.eclipse.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:35:26 -0500 Subject: More audio to video From: "Ken Mistove" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6lcH_1.0.zb2.XNews"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, Two more audio to video programs: ********* 1.) Bliss Paint / Bliss Saver by Imaja: http://www.imaja.com/ MAC ONLY! Paint allows you to create sequences which can be looped. Demos are available - full package will cost you though (reasonable) Both respond to audio and/or midi input. Saver is a basic playback engine. Paint allows for creation of new content. Most famous users: Grateful Dead, Brian Eno. I even saw Wendy Carlos use it in her only live performance a few years back. ********* 2.) Bomb - by Scott Draves:http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spot/bomb.html versions for BeOs, Mac, Mac w/Max, Linux, SGI and WIndows FREE with source code available for most platforms. ********* Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 13 14:34:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA23511; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:34:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:34:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000d01be6d8a$9aff7560$be22a2d1@i658574> From: "Peter Spoecker" To: Subject: Re: More audio to video Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:49:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1O2Q-3.0.GS5.6ohws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks to all of you that have provided info about audio to video programs. I finally got the Imagine demo program to work by the simple expedient of downloading it on my Mac, since it's a Mac program. The website doesn't tell you that, ha ha. However, even now that it sort of works on my Mac, I found that the program complains all the time about insufficient memory, though my g3 has 64 MB. Also the program crashes a lot and moreover, the PDF file for the manual is unreadable. Has anyone else had these problems with Imagine? I recall a while back someone mentioning that they used a G3 notebook with Imagine. How do you get external video into a notebook? Is there some sort of video card that can be installed in a notebook? Do g3 notebooks have a PCI slot? I tried the Bomb program on my PC and it stalls and crashes the computer after the welcome screen comes up. Don't Win32 programs work in a Windows95 computer? Did I download the wrong program? I didn't see any others on the Bomb site that seemed more appropriate for Windows95. I downloaded the Mac version and it works incredibly well. It's absolutely stunning. I think it's even better than the amazing Cthugha program. I've actually gotten the Cthugha program to work fine on Mac and PC. However, the Mac version looks vastly better, even though the implementation is not nearly as well developed as the PC version. All in all, in spite of all the problems, these audio to video tools represent an incredible gold mine of possibilites. Now I only need to come up with the big bucks for a G3 notebook and an LCD projection system to use on stage. Peter >Hi all, > >Two more audio to video programs: > >********* > >1.) Bliss Paint / Bliss Saver by Imaja: http://www.imaja.com/ > >MAC ONLY! > >Paint allows you to create sequences which can be looped. > >Demos are available - full package will cost you though (reasonable) > >Both respond to audio and/or midi input. Saver is a basic playback engine. >Paint allows for creation of new content. > >Most famous users: Grateful Dead, Brian Eno. I even saw Wendy Carlos use it >in her only live performance a few years back. > >********* > >2.) Bomb - by Scott Draves:http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spot/bomb.html > >versions for BeOs, Mac, Mac w/Max, Linux, SGI and WIndows > >FREE with source code available for most platforms. > >********* > >Ken > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 13 16:50:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA24403; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:50:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:50:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36EADBCA.DF9141B3@sfsu.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:42:34 -0800 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: An obscure looping tool that I need. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QQltI.0.Ol5.Vpjws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Once upon a time there was a remote control for my 10 year old Sony CD player (CDP 570). This remote had a few really useful functions not available on the unit itself. There was a really cool function called "set loop B>A" that would allow you to set two points on the disc, and when the reader reached the second point, it would go back to the first. Of course, I didn't realize the musical potential of this tool until 4 years after I lost it. It's sitting somewhere in the attic of a house in Massachusetts. My question is: Does anybody know where I can get a replacement remote with this function, or if any new CD players have this function? thanks, matt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 13 18:44:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA15495; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:44:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:44:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:45:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: NYC Boston gigs In-Reply-To: <000d01be6d8a$9aff7560$be22a2d1@i658574> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"dS0Ja1.0.Yb3.8Ulws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everybody -playing in nyc tommorow night(sun)at ABC no rio COMA series&RRR records in LOwell Mass on Sat 20 around 200pm hope to see some fellow loopers. K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 13 19:23:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA23765; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:23:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:23:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: Priority: Normal To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Douglas Subject: Minidisc for loops Date: Sat, 13 Mar 99 23:10:47 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"w_71n1.0.vf5.k3mws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My first minidisc recorder was the Sony MZ1 (the portable that was the = size of a housebrick and ran for an hour or so on the battery). Even though you should theoret= ically have been able to set up loops on it using the anti-shock memory as the loop buffer= , in practice there was always a horrid little click or hiccough at the start/end point of = the loop. It was great for recording loops for later use though. I've just gotten a Sharp MS701, and it has an optional mode for recording= 148 minutes of mono sound - perfect for recording a couple of hours worth of playing wii= th the JamMan (mono out !) and playing around with it later. - Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 13 21:45:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA16636; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:45:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:45:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUArOKdzF64qwQToTJLYuz4uQMYLBECFQCl79wjcW9ETdgFH2/eZoho86ChEg== From: SHGuyton@webtv.net (Stephanie Hardin) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:28:27 -0600 (CST) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: i need help Message-ID: <4639-36EB1ECB-3339@mailtod-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"nkoF23.0.iN3.pxnws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com on silent hill the game From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 14 03:32:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA07185; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 03:32:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 03:32:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36EB6B5B.EA8CAA8@sfsu.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:55:08 -0800 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: i need help References: <4639-36EB1ECB-3339@mailtod-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cThQN1.0.Sy.Fpsws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I understand. Video game discs can be somewhat useless in the creation of new music, even for "noise" musicians. Here's something that might help. Throw the disc into your regular CD player. Track 1 will be the game's programming. If there's any more songs, those will be music or dialog tracks. Video game dialog tracks are pretty fun for sampling. The programming track (20-35 minutes) will probably make a lot of unpleasant noise. If it doesn't, you can hear the noise by holding down the fast forward button. If you loop the skipping sound while holding down the fast forward button, then slow it down, you can get a sound that sounds a little bit like a record scratching rhythm. Well, I hope that helps.....Good luck!! matt Stephanie Hardin wrote: > on silent hill the game From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 14 05:22:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA22899; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:22:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:22:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BE6E0A.54963110.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: An obscure looping tool that I need. Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:51:36 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HlSVJ3.0.Wy4.-auws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com matt wrote, > Once upon a time there was a remote control for my 10 year old Sony CD > player (CDP 570). This remote had a few really useful functions not > available on the unit itself. There was a really cool function called > "set loop B>A" that would allow you to set two points on the disc, and > when the reader reached the second point, it would go back to the first. > My question is: Does anybody know where I can get a replacement remote > with this function, or if any new CD players have this function? some CD players used to have this function. I have a cheap old one called STZ HCD-370 which has A-B repeat. The problem is that the repeat on CD players isn't seamless - there is always a very short pause in between. If you want such a function, you'd be better off with a Minidisc player which can do really seamless looping, and are cheaper and more versatile. * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 14 11:14:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA23981; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:14:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:14:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36EBDB66.7CF5F164@spyral.net> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:53:14 -0500 From: fretless6 <144music@spyral.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , bass@magpie.com Subject: Gig on 3/16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SLUIDL: 4B21B10A-D9CC11D2-B08F00A0-249C8F8C Resent-Message-ID: <"LPVcF3.0.7i4.Kmzws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just wanted to let you know that Bob Musso and I will be performing in NY on Tuesday March 16th atBaby Jupiter- 170 Orchard St corner of Stanton 212-982-2229 9:30 PM Tickets $5 This group will preview material from Musso's upcoming CD release. Charles Burnham-violin Lance Carter-drums David C Gross-6 string fretless bass, electronics Toby Kasavan-keyboard Byard Lancaster-sax Elliott Levin-sax, flute Robert Musso-guitar Thanks! David C Gross www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/7773? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 14 11:47:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA02731; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:47:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:47:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Edward_Chang@amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <85256734.005ACA19.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:38:50 -0500 Subject: Re: NYC Boston gigs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"1NYC_1.0.e77.mJ-ws"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Keenan Sorry I won't be able to make your gig after all as somethig has come up, but good luck! You'll be playing on a bill with a friend of mine, Kenta Nagai who also plays guitar (w some looping). It should be a good gig. Regards... ed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 14 16:20:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA15774; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:20:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:20:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903142111.QAA27442@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Gig on 3/16 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:09:34 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0JGkx.0.TO3.bP2xs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all - let me jump in an HEARTILY recomment the below show!!! I saw the Knit performance a week or two ago, and they were amazing - what sets this show apart is how this band takes the language of jazz, dub, ambient, looping, rock, and avant garde and makes it all flow together without sounding "piecemeal". Bob is one of my heroes - a VERY unsung guitarist & great composer.. some of you may remember Machine Gun - he's on all their CDs.. also - look in your collections - Bob is the engineer on virtually everything on axiom label or produced by Laswell - he engineered/mixed the Sonny Sharrock stuff, also the Miles "panthalassa" and 24-7 Spyz debut, and so much more - ALL while self-releasing brilliant CDs on his own label. you know what?? I will buy you a drink if you don't thoroughly enjoy this show!! (disclaimer.. i'm an old friend of Bob';s drummer Lance and i know Bob a bit, plus i met Dave at the Knit show - but- even with those biases - this show/upcoming CD are KILLER!) Ps - David works in a wonderful section of crazed fretless loops on da Boomerang ! now--i'll shut up!! here's dave's original invite!! ________________________________________________________________ Just wanted to let you know that Bob Musso and I will be performing in > NY on Tuesday March 16th atBaby Jupiter- 170 Orchard St corner of > Stanton > 212-982-2229 9:30 PM Tickets $5 > > This group will preview material from Musso's upcoming CD release. > > Charles Burnham-violin, Lance Carter-drums, David C Gross-6 string fretless bass, electronics, Toby Kasavan-keyboard, Byard Lancaster-sax, Elliott Levin-sax, flute > Robert Musso-guitar > > Thanks! > David C Gross > www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/7773? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 14 16:56:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA23265; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:56:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:56:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6258c0db.36ec2eca@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:48:58 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #101 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"_vAj22.0.aN5.Wy2xs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/12/99 10:21:09 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, Mike.Biffle@wj.com writes: << While it's easy to "write" a bunch of tunes, sequence them, then play backing tracks for you to show off to. It's far different when someone approaches each performance with a blank slate, no net, and an open mind to the possibilities. Walking the wire once again... -Miko >> well put!..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 14 17:07:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA25482; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:07:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:07:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4299455.36ec30cb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:57:31 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: AW: LD CD 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"DUJP9.0.Ot5.D53xs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/13/99 9:35:49 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, mpeters@csi.com writes: << wait until you hear LDCD1 which is IMHO at least as interesting as LDCD2. * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters >> please sent at once.....the check is in the mail!.............:).........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 01:20:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA13336; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:20:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:20:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:12:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Looper's Delight sells out Resent-Message-ID: <"jRQzw.0.GT2.ZKAxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As many of you know, this whole Looper's Delight shebang is funded by my wallet. It's all grown amazingly popular over the years, and consequently the costs have gone up. It's ok, I can afford it. No danger of things vanishing in the near future. But for some time now I've had a goal of making the whole thing financially self-supporting. I'd hoped the CD's would accomplish that, but so far that's been a bit slow to come to fruition. So I'm selling us out. :-) That's right, I put my first ad on the LD web site. For all you idealistic free the internet types out there, sorry. But for those of you interested in buying Sonic Foundry's Acid, please click through the Sonic Foundry ad on the web page! I get a cut for anything bought through that ad, which will go towards paying the site costs. (yeah, it's one of those bogus advertising deals where they get tons of free publicity and I only get paid if something is bought by clicking on the ad....it's a start anyway....) In the event that any actual money shows up, I'll probably get us our own domain name and such things. If anyone else out there would like to put an ad on the site, I'm listening, with shameless capitalism in my heart! The ad is on the tools page, and also on the brand new Acid page: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/acid/acid.html For all you Acid users out there, it would be great if you could make useful content-like contributions to this page. It looks pretty lame when just about the only thing on it is the ad! Reviews, user tips, other links, etc. thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 02:06:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA24702; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 02:06:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 02:06:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BE6EBA.1B563700.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: Looper's Delight sells out Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:01:08 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tQKlw.0.2i5.u0Bxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > So I'm selling us out. :-) how could you ... !!! no, seriously, I think it's a very good idea. And also, let's keep pushing Matt and Ray Peck ... the first LDCD deserves to be available ... * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 02:50:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA01027; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 02:50:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 02:50:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Looper's Delight sells out Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:16:13 -0800 Message-ID: <000001be6eb3$b54d5ca0$25ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"tJNJe.0.Ig6.pFBxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, congratulations on having this initiative. I love Acid! I've been using Acid for a couple of months already. I'm no genius at it, but can see it has great potential and, if you learn to live with the little rudenesses (it's only 1.0 yet), it is an awesome program. I know I'm interested in some of those Acid Loop CDs, so I'll do my part and use the Looper's Delight links. Thanks, Kim, this list has been a great inspiration to me at least. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] Sent: Sunday 14 March 1999 10:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looper's Delight sells out As many of you know, this whole Looper's Delight shebang is funded by my wallet. It's all grown amazingly popular over the years, and consequently the costs have gone up. It's ok, I can afford it. No danger of things vanishing in the near future. But for some time now I've had a goal of making the whole thing financially self-supporting. I'd hoped the CD's would accomplish that, but so far that's been a bit slow to come to fruition. So I'm selling us out. :-) That's right, I put my first ad on the LD web site. For all you idealistic free the internet types out there, sorry. But for those of you interested in buying Sonic Foundry's Acid, please click through the Sonic Foundry ad on the web page! I get a cut for anything bought through that ad, which will go towards paying the site costs. (yeah, it's one of those bogus advertising deals where they get tons of free publicity and I only get paid if something is bought by clicking on the ad....it's a start anyway....) In the event that any actual money shows up, I'll probably get us our own domain name and such things. If anyone else out there would like to put an ad on the site, I'm listening, with shameless capitalism in my heart! The ad is on the tools page, and also on the brand new Acid page: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/acid/acid.html For all you Acid users out there, it would be great if you could make useful content-like contributions to this page. It looks pretty lame when just about the only thing on it is the ad! Reviews, user tips, other links, etc. thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 03:00:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA03097; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 03:00:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 03:00:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <83330120.36ecbc14@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 02:51:48 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopin' 'n' lightshow in DC area tomorrow night Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"jTr9S2.0.FP.ZnBxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, Great show by the solo artist and the two groups, technical difficulties aside! Glad to see that the DC area has not completely popularized itself out of existence. Had a blast, learned a bit, and really enjoyed the whole of the show. Thanks Adam for posting it! Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 03:55:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA14531; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 03:55:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 03:55:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Stevaum@aol.com Message-ID: <57d3377b.36ecc62d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 03:34:53 EST To: jbailey@corporate.southam.ca, loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Any Video Loopers? Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_921486893_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 53 Resent-Message-ID: <"Lxdcj.0.yR2.DQCxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_921486893_boundary Content-ID: <0_921486893@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hello Jim & Loopers, Regarding: Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 103 From: Jim Bailey Subject: RE: Any Video Loopers? It would be possible to do video looping today, if you: - could locate two 1/2" reel-to-reel video machines in excellent working condition; as well as some 1/2" reel-to-reel video tapes - could customize existing equipment to your specifications - had access to some commercial(1" or 2") video machines (which I've never had the opportunity to try) (this was suggested to me by Bob Henry) It's hard to literarily describe what unsynced video looks like, but it's an unstable, horizontally scanning, messed up image (i don't know if that description does you any good?)! I have on many occasions used this type image in video art pieces, & have much footage that I've never used. I haven't had access to 1/2" video equipment in 16 years, so I haven't seen any of this footage in a long time. I did get all my best reel-to-reel video art pieces transferred to 3/4" & 1/2" video; and have even done some video art in recent years that used fouled up, unsynced video images. Much of the computer images on my website are an extension of my video art. I did produce a short bit of animation of the "kaliedomandalascopic" piece, but need a newer mac to really do what I want. (I'm currently working on a 'vintage' Mac IIci!) I've included a graphic diagram of my basic video loop system, as an attached file. I hope this doesn't cause a problem for the Digest. loopingly yours, Stevo Wolfson - Electronic Media Artist sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO (visual) Pupaum (audio) http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html (computer art) stevaum@aol.com --part0_921486893_boundary Content-ID: <0_921486893@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: multipart/appledouble; name="VideoLoopDiagram.jpeg"; boundary="ad_921486893_boundary"; X-Mac-Creator="3842494d"; X-Mac-Type="4a504547" --ad_921486893_boundary Content-type: application/applefile; name="VideoLoopDiagram.jpeg"; X-Mac-Creator="3842494d"; X-Mac-Type="4a504547" Content-transfer-encoding: base64 AAUWBwACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQAAAAIAAAASgAAABAAAAAJAAAAWgAAACAAAAAD AAAAegAAABUAAAACAAAAjwAAG6KzEbLGsxGy+4AAAACAAAAASlBFRzhCSU0FAP////8AAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABWaWRlb0xvb3BEaWFncmFtLmpwZWcAAAEAAAAbDAAAGgwAAACWAGDk AA7//2Ajgk4ABPJAAA///2Ajy8YAAGDcABD//2AfVmlkZW9Mb29waW5nRGlhZ3JhbS5qLTEy 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--ad_921486893_boundary-- --part0_921486893_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 05:07:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA00368; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 05:07:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 05:07:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Stevaum@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:32:10 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 53 Resent-Message-ID: <"xClLb.0.O86.oFDxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Attention all fellow loopers: Regarding: Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 106 Today's Topics: RE: Any Video Loopers? [ Stevaum@aol.com ] <> Apparently, it did cause a whole digest being sent, of the image in code form. Please accept my apologies! I went to the LD website to see if there was any information advised not to send attached files, but found nothing. I didn't know better--but at least now I know what it does! I often learn the right way to do something, by doing it wrong!!! If anyone would like the 33k, jpeg diagram of my Basic Video Loop System, please send an email, & I will send you the file. Discovering Loopers Delight has caused me to get back in touch with my old video loop art, & I am currently going through my artchives to find whatever 2D images I may have representing this work. I will eventually add a page(s) to my website devoted to my video loop art, for your perusal!!! I Loop You All, Stevo Wolfson - Electronic Media Artist sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO (visual) Pupaum (audio) http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html (computer art) stevaum@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 08:23:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA11956; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:23:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:23:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 06:50:27 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Obscure Looping Tool (Sony CD Player Remote) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"3fn393.0.px.k9Gxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I used to have one of those CD players and it was my favorite CD player until it crapped out and Sony could never fix it (they tried four times. The last time I got it back and it was still not working correctly I was so infuriated it ended up in the cat box (long story)). I MAY still have one of those remote controls. The remote ended up in my mom's house and after she passed away lots of stuff went away so that we could prepare the estate pieces for sale. So....I'll look around and if I can find it I'll post back. It may have ended up getting thrown out, but stay tuned. -Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 14:49:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA23424; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:49:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:49:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:37:41 -0500 (EST) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Cthugha program In-Reply-To: <005201be6c81$7d404ea0$db22a2d1@i658574> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KvhO3.0.4e4.c7Mxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looks like Direct Input. Do you have DirectX installed on your computer? Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Peter Spoecker wrote: > I tried the alpha W95 version and when I try to run it I get this message: > A REQUIRED .DLL FILE, DINPUT.DLL NOT FOUND > Anybody know what this is about? Where do I get this dinput.dll file? > > > >I downloaded the alpha W95 version and it works flawlessly for the moment. > >The sync with the music is there (along the CD is perfect, with line In I > >got some graphic stuttering) and the graphic textures are really > impressive. > >I think this is one of the coolest progs I've ever tried. And interaction > >potentials are awesome. I've been hypnotized to the screen for hours, > >listening to Clifford Gilberto and UNKLE CDs. > > > >ciao > >leo > > > >At 15.01 11/03/99 -0800, you wrote: > >>Thanks for the information. I'll try downloading the demo version of > >>Imagine and see what it looks like. The information on the site is a bit > >>sparse about specifics (like what video capture boards are supported, is > it > >>Mac or PC or both, etc.) > >>I still haven't been able to get the Cthuga program to work either on my > >>computer or my brother's. You get a series of stills that you can > sequence > >>with any key, but no effect with sound. On my brother's computer there's > >>the additional problem that the images only fill the upper half of the > >>screen. Anybody out there with personal experience with this program? > What > >>could be happening here that I can't get it to work? All in all so far > this > >>program looks like a lot of the "freeware" that I've had experience with > >>over the years; some good fun ideas, but not quite there yet. > >> > >>Peter > >> > >> > >> > >>>At 9:08 AM -0800 3/9/99, Peter Spoecker wrote: > >>>>Another issue I've often wondered about is if there's any program that > can > >>>>modify video being played from an external input into a video card? > >>>>Particularly cool would be sound activated color cycling. I've done > this > >>>>using an Amiga video toaster system in a rather complex configuration. > >>>>Anybody know if there's a program around that lets you use sound as a > >>>>modulation source for color cycling or otherwise modulating a video > signal > >>>>being displayed with a video card in a PC? > >>> > >>>I don't know if it will do everything you want, but Imagine allows > >>>programmable manipulation of live video > >>> > >>>http://www.xs4all.nl/~steim/imagine.html > >>> > >>>Stuart > >>> > >>>Stuart Fox > >>>CalArts Guitar > >>>sgfox@music.calarts.edu > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 14:50:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA23516; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:50:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:50:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:23:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #106 Resent-Message-ID: <"0T0Zz1.0.JN3.WwLxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 1:32 AM -0800 3/15/99, Stevaum@aol.com wrote: ><attached > >file. I hope this doesn't cause a problem for the Digest.>> > >Apparently, it did cause a whole digest being sent, of the image in code form. >Please accept my apologies! I went to the LD website to see if there was any >information advised not to send attached files, but found nothing. >I didn't know better--but at least now I know what it does! >I often learn the right way to do something, by doing it wrong!!! usual netiquette for mailing lists is that attachments are a no-no. It's not considered polite to transfer your files unsolicited onto a large number of other people's hard disks, forcing them all to wait for the file to download, blowing their email disk quotas in some cases, forcing everyone to then take time to remove the file from their attachment directory, etc. It's not a big deal with smaller files I guess, but a much better practice is to put the file on a website and give people the URL, or ask if anyone wants you to email it privately. There are a variety of netiquette sites online, I happened across this one in a brief search, but there are many others: http://members.aol.com/fionalist/info/netiquette.htm kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 14:51:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA24259; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:51:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:51:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <57d3377b.36ecc62d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:28:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Any Video Loopers? Resent-Message-ID: <"1k6Kl1.0.or3.2_Lxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:34 AM -0800 3/15/99, Stevaum@aol.com wrote: > >It would be possible to do video looping today, if you: > - could locate two 1/2" reel-to-reel video machines in excellent >working > condition; as well as some 1/2" reel-to-reel video tapes > - could customize existing equipment to your specifications > - had access to some commercial(1" or 2") video machines (which >I've never > had the opportunity to try) (this was suggested to me by Bob Henry) wouldn't it be much easier to do all of this digitally? >It's hard to literarily describe what unsynced video looks like, but it's an >unstable, horizontally scanning, messed up image (i don't know if that >description does you any good?)! I would think that a decent monitor would recover the sync pretty quickly after it crossed that cut point... Probably wouldn't be too much different than a tv encountering some brief interference..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 15:33:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA05702; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:33:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:33:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36ED6B6E.BBC0EFE8@ilstu.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:19:58 -0600 From: Melissa X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: if you want to pick on Peavey, you'll have to get though me first Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mILPD1.0.H-.UqMxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think people really don't know much about Peavey. If you take some time to learn about the company and their products you will find there are of a higher quality than those other guys, I mean come on get real if you add up the sales of Fender and Gibson from last year you still don't equal what Peavey did. I don't think everyone can be making the same mistake. Fender is a company I really like to pick on. They have been living on their laurels for to damn long. They sell this imported crap from Mexico, Japan, and other Asian countries for way to much. I bet over 70 percent of what they sell comes from over seas. I hate to tell you but guitars from mexico ain't as good as the ones from the US. I'm certainly not being racist here but it is the simple truth. And the problem is they charge you just as much. Anybody that would pay 3 or 4 hundred dollars for a fender squire ought to have their head checked. It is these dumb beginners that mess up. They see these guys on TV playing fender and gibson but what they don't realize it that these guys are mostly playing American made vintage stuff, don't get me wrong some of it is good stuff. But these kids go down to their local dealer and buy a squire "I mean stab me with a spoon" a fender squire. Any real player knows a fender squire don't cut it. And try to get service from Gibson, yeah right if you ever get to a live body. Peavey has got these guys beat hands down. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 15:40:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA08152; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:40:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:40:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01be6f21$9e86f080$b122a2d1@i658574> From: "Peter Spoecker" To: Subject: Re: Cthugha program Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:22:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"19OBd3.0.er6.LTMxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I got the missing DDL file from the Cthugha site and got the program working on my PC. I also downloaded the Mac version and I like it much better. There are also several other very cool video synthesis/sequencing/modulation programs that I'm getting that are only available for Mac, so it looks like my video efforts will be entirely Mac based. Peter >Looks like Direct Input. Do you have DirectX installed on your computer? > > Kevin > > >Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com >Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ > >On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Peter Spoecker wrote: > >> I tried the alpha W95 version and when I try to run it I get this message: >> A REQUIRED .DLL FILE, DINPUT.DLL NOT FOUND >> Anybody know what this is about? Where do I get this dinput.dll file? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 16:09:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA18812; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:09:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:09:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903152044.PAA16076@emh1.pa.net> X-Sender: rswitzer@mail.pa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:47:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Switzer Subject: Re:sell out, video looping, MAX/MSP on BeOS, other new, cool software In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5sOqj2.0.wH2.95Nxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:12 PM 3/14/99 -0800, you wrote: > >(yeah, it's one of those bogus advertising deals where they get tons of >free publicity and I only get paid if something is bought by clicking on >the ad....it's a start anyway....) > I've got a couple of purchases pending from Sonic Foundry -- I'll make it a point to make these through the link on the LD pages :-). I've found Sonic Foundry products -- Acid, SoundForge, DirectX plugin packs, etc. to be first-rate, and recommend them highly to anyone interested in digital audio. Speaking of which -- I just read that Opcode's MAX + the MSP digital audio extensions are due to be ported to BeOS/Intel -- I think we had a thread on MSP a while back, but for anyone who isn't familiar, MSP is a very flexible and powerful tool for doing high-end, high-custom digital audio work on a PPC Mac. Given the native DSP power of upcoming Intel processors, MAX/MSP on BeOS/Intel could turn out to be very interesting in the context of looping/manipulating live analog audio in real time. On the video looping front, Amsterdam Studio for electro-instrumental music (STEIM) is offering a program called 'Big Eye', which appears to do midi-driven video manipulation in real time. The program costs $199/US, but a free demo is available for both 68k and PPC Mac. No way my wheezing 68k Mac can deal with this, so if anyone who is more amply endowed Mac-wise would like to check it out and report back, the demo/info is available at: http://www.xs4all.nl/~steim/main.html The STEIM pages also contain a link to a mailinglist dedicated to live video performance/improvisation. I think loopers and others who perform live electronic music are on the right track in looking to live video manipulation to add visual interest to performance. Finally, I just bought a $50 program from Amulet Software that adapts Cubase/VST plugins to the DirectX environment. It works great -- DirectX users can take advantage of the many free, high-quality VST plugins out there on the net. http://surf.to/amulet rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 16:43:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA28124; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:43:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:43:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990315162800.007ade00@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:28:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: OT! Re: if you want to pick on Peavey... In-Reply-To: <36ED6B6E.BBC0EFE8@ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"XXI4S1.0.Tu5.akNxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com okay, here's the other side of the coin. sorry if this is off topic... At 02:19 PM 3/15/99 -0600, you wrote: >I think people really don't know much about Peavey. If you take some >time to learn about the company and their products you will find there >are of a higher quality than those other guys, I mean come on get real >if you add up the sales of Fender and Gibson from last year you still >don't equal what Peavey did. I don't think everyone can be making the >same mistake. sales don't equal quality. celene dion has shown us that. >It is these dumb beginners that mess up. They see these guys on TV >playing fender and gibson but what they don't realize it that these guys >are mostly playing American made vintage stuff, don't get me wrong some >of it is good stuff. But these kids go down to their local dealer and >buy a squire "I mean stab me with a spoon" a fender squire. Any real >player knows a fender squire don't cut it. i won't even ask what constitutes a "real player", but i have been a working musician for almost half my life. i find i use my $100 mexican squire strat a lot these days. the neck is comfortable, the electronics work and i'm not afraid of having it stolen or crushed by falling amps... okay, so it's not a klein (and to be fair, i use my klein a lot more than the strat). i sold all of my peavy gear years ago because i was getting tired of having my tech have to repair things onstage mid-show. just my opinion. m ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 17:08:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA02024; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:08:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:08:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paul.C.Wright@ercgroup.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: if you want to pick on Peavey, you'll have to get though me f irst Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:58:59 -0600 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"la6PN2.0.Qk7.2AOxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, fist fight (just kidding)! I don't know, I've always been a Peavey fan also. I remember lusting after that Rudy Szarzo (sic?) bass with the active electronics; I thought that it played like a dream. I ended up settling on an Ibanez Musician with active electronics (Japanese, if I'm not mistaken) that was exceptional. My wife is still angry at me for giving it away. I just bought the Fender American Standard Jazz bass w/active electronics, and it's an absolute joy. I tried the Mexican model (less expensive), but didn't like it at all, though for the price, it will fit someone. Point is, there's a model for everyone, price dependent. It's all good... -----Original Message----- From: Melissa [mailto:mapeter@ilstu.edu] Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 2:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: if you want to pick on Peavey, you'll have to get though me first I think people really don't know much about Peavey. If you take some time to learn about the company and their products you will find there are of a higher quality than those other guys, I mean come on get real if you add up the sales of Fender and Gibson from last year you still don't equal what Peavey did. I don't think everyone can be making the same mistake. Fender is a company I really like to pick on. They have been living on their laurels for to damn long. They sell this imported crap from Mexico, Japan, and other Asian countries for way to much. I bet over 70 percent of what they sell comes from over seas. I hate to tell you but guitars from mexico ain't as good as the ones from the US. I'm certainly not being racist here but it is the simple truth. And the problem is they charge you just as much. Anybody that would pay 3 or 4 hundred dollars for a fender squire ought to have their head checked. It is these dumb beginners that mess up. They see these guys on TV playing fender and gibson but what they don't realize it that these guys are mostly playing American made vintage stuff, don't get me wrong some of it is good stuff. But these kids go down to their local dealer and buy a squire "I mean stab me with a spoon" a fender squire. Any real player knows a fender squire don't cut it. And try to get service from Gibson, yeah right if you ever get to a live body. Peavey has got these guys beat hands down. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 17:14:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA03522; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:14:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:14:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36ED8237.3892@pop.interport.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:57:13 -0500 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ebay References: <199903152044.PAA16076@emh1.pa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EFrmh1.0.ui7.w9Oxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ebay is the best!!!! I just picked up a carvin for $385!!!I love carvin gtrs and pour over their cataloug a couple times a year. when i found this gtr listed I knew I had found a bargain. this is a really big find for me, I just needed to tell everybody. anyone interested in discussing ebay , carvin or hypnosis feel free to correspond of the line.....have a nice day. jp http//www.changenow.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 19:15:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA12454; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:15:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:15:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: , Subject: RE: ebay Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:39:23 -0800 Message-ID: <003401be6f3d$0ecfcc20$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <36ED8237.3892@pop.interport.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"L6qAO3.0.Vi7.jdPxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ebay doesn't hold a candle to harmony central's classified ads but it isn't bad. Naturally, I use them both, but I check h/c 3 times a day. bIz > -----Original Message----- > From: John + Diane Parada [mailto:jparada@pop.interport.net] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 1:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: ebay > > > ebay is the best!!!! I just picked up a carvin for $385!!!I > love carvin > gtrs and pour over their cataloug a couple times a year. when i found > this gtr listed I knew I had found a bargain. this is a > really big find > for me, I just needed to tell everybody. anyone interested in > discussing > ebay , carvin or hypnosis feel free to correspond of the > line.....have a > nice day. jp > > > http//www.changenow.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 19:28:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA17517; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:28:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:28:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990316000018.28970.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:00:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: if you want to pick on Peavey, you'll have to get though me first To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"ivOj62.0.nx1.0_Pxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---Melissa wrote: > > I think people really don't know much about Peavey. Well, unless they make a looper, I don't see much reason to be discussing them at all. 93 Rev. Doubt-GoaT === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 20:47:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA10636; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:47:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:47:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990315171223.00799290@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: mdavig@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:12:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "matthew P. Davignon" Subject: Re: Obscure Looping Tool (Sony CD Player Remote) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dpNmX2.0.kM.K1Rxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oooh oooh thank you! You just scared me, actually. My CD player has just developed a skipping problem. I guess putting in soapy CD's was a bad idea. It's probably just the laser needs realigning or some junk. I'm probably going to take it to an independent repair place. It's bothersome, though. I think the only pieces of equipment that I have that are not broken are my hands, and sometimes even they don't clap right! :) thank you, I'll pay you for it matt At 06:50 AM 3/15/99 -0600, you wrote: >I used to have one of those CD players and it was my favorite CD player >until it crapped out and Sony could never fix it (they tried four times. >The last time I got it back and it was still not working correctly I was >so infuriated it ended up in the cat box (long story)). > >I MAY still have one of those remote controls. The remote ended up in >my mom's house and after she passed away lots of stuff went away so that >we could prepare the estate pieces for sale. > >So....I'll look around and if I can find it I'll post back. It may have >ended up getting thrown out, but stay tuned. > >-Todd > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 20:39:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA08751; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:39:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:39:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE6F06.46025F00.stevehan@transworld-lax.com> From: Steve Han Reply-To: "stevehan@transworld-lax.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Loop subtraction + VST looper plugin? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:06:20 -0800 Organization: Transworld Freight Systems X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HWcbh3.0.H9.wzQxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Gareth, Thanks to Jeff Shorthouse, I've found following sites very interesting. For downloding free Plugins, check out: http://www.dbrown.force9.co.uk/ This will give you other links that offer free plugins such as the long delay you are seeking. http://www.event1.com also offers free delay plugin but it is a bit taxing on the hard-drive and interrups play when applying it during a song in real time but it offers some interesting features and presets. There you go. Have fun ! Steve (Curbie) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 15 23:28:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA16876; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:28:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:28:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36EDD4FE.D1E0C8FF@stic.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:50:22 -0600 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gig on 3/16 References: <36EBDB66.7CF5F164@spyral.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tMr4L.0.Te1.0ETxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com fretless6 wrote: > Just wanted to let you know that Bob Musso and I will be performing in > NY on Tuesday March 16th atBaby Jupiter- 170 Orchard St corner of > Stanton > 212-982-2229 9:30 PM Tickets $5 > > This group will preview material from Musso's upcoming CD release. > > Charles Burnham-violin > Lance Carter-drums > David C Gross-6 string fretless bass, electronics > Toby Kasavan-keyboard > Byard Lancaster-sax > Elliott Levin-sax, flute > Robert Musso-guitar > > Thanks! > David C Gross > www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/7773? Wish I could be there! Good Luck!!!! James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 01:41:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA31370; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:41:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:41:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <926948d8.36edee4e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:38:22 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: if you want to pick on Peavey, you'll have to get though me first Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"UpDEK.0.fE2.cwUxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here, here!! I just bought a Peavey TL Five Bass because it was (by far) the best and best-looking used bass in the store. Neck through, great electrics and really nicely finished. In addition, I've had a Peavey acoustic six- string for several years now. They were hand-made in Finland. And to my ear it has a better overall sound than any other high-end acoustic at a third the price. Our lead guitar player usually picks it up for several numbers instead of his trusty Martin. He says it is much easier to play and the sound is more even throughout the range of the instrument. Finally their Amps are fantastic bargains too. my 2 cents. Hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 01:42:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA31630; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:42:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:42:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009601be6fce$14e487e0$8cab31d1@commanc.usiatl.com> From: "William Appleton" To: Subject: Re: OT! Re: if you want to pick on Peavey... Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:57:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"y_4oD1.0.SA4.MBVxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yikes! How did this thread get started?! Any way, I've used a lot of Peavey gear in the last 25 years. (I'm from MS where its made...) And *every* time I give their stuff a try again, I get burned. >>It is these dumb beginners that mess up. Peavey's gear has always been noisy and much of it seems to be aimed at beginners. I guess they do make a few medium-priced guitars like the Wolfgang thing (which I actually like). My first Squier strat was made in Japan, and was a *great* guitar for $250. I used it for much the same reason Mark C. mentioned below. For real stratiness though, I use my G&L S500. At any rate... they don't make a serious looping device (not that this will prevent a long and evil smelling thread to arise....) and every piece of gear Peavey, or otherwise can make spiffy sounds in the right hands. -=WFA=- -----Original Message----- From: murkie To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 5:01 PM Subject: OT! Re: if you want to pick on Peavey... >okay, here's the other side of the coin. sorry if this is off topic... > >At 02:19 PM 3/15/99 -0600, you wrote: >>I think people really don't know much about Peavey. If you take some >>time to learn about the company and their products you will find there >>are of a higher quality than those other guys, I mean come on get real >>if you add up the sales of Fender and Gibson from last year you still >>don't equal what Peavey did. I don't think everyone can be making the >>same mistake. > >sales don't equal quality. celene dion has shown us that. > >>It is these dumb beginners that mess up. They see these guys on TV >>playing fender and gibson but what they don't realize it that these guys >>are mostly playing American made vintage stuff, don't get me wrong some >>of it is good stuff. But these kids go down to their local dealer and >>buy a squire "I mean stab me with a spoon" a fender squire. Any real >>player knows a fender squire don't cut it. > >i won't even ask what constitutes a "real player", but i have been a >working musician for almost half my life. i find i use my $100 mexican >squire strat a lot these days. the neck is comfortable, the electronics >work and i'm not afraid of having it stolen or crushed by falling amps... > >okay, so it's not a klein (and to be fair, i use my klein a lot more than >the strat). > >i sold all of my peavy gear years ago because i was getting tired of having >my tech have to repair things onstage mid-show. > >just my opinion. > >m > >===================================================================== >= = >= M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = >= Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = >= internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = >= http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = >= = >===================================================================== > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 03:50:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA24332; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 03:50:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 03:50:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000401be6f88$308dfe40$9b22a2d1@i658574> From: "Peter Spoecker" To: Subject: Re: ebay Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:37:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cEdfw1.0.964.aDXxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Ebay doesn't hold a candle to harmony central's classified ads but it isn't >bad. Naturally, I use them both, but I check h/c 3 times a day. www.recycler.com is even better than harmony central. The ads get updated once a week and I've found MUCH more music stuff there than even harmony central. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 04:36:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA31861; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 04:36:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 04:36:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <36EE209F.154E3359@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:13:03 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" CC: "stevehan@transworld-lax.com" Subject: Re: Loop subtraction + VST looper plugin? References: <01BE6F06.46025F00.stevehan@transworld-lax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iBMnj2.0._I7.-4Yxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The soon-to-be-released 'pluggo' from http://www.cycling74.com features a 30 second delay plugin apparently. os. Steve Han wrote: > > Dear Gareth, > > Thanks to Jeff Shorthouse, I've found > following sites very interesting. > > For downloding free Plugins, check out: > > http://www.dbrown.force9.co.uk/ > > This will give you other links that offer free plugins > such as the long delay you are seeking. > > http://www.event1.com > > also offers free delay plugin but it is a bit > taxing on the hard-drive and interrups play > when applying it during a song in real time but > it offers some interesting features and presets. > > There you go. > Have fun ! > > Steve (Curbie) > > >From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 01:15:04 1999 -- Os os@scee.sony.co.uk os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 09:11:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA20446; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:11:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:11:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000201be6fb2$3ace1a00$6ebeadce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight sells out Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:24:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qn3XY2.0.fX2.Snbxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FLATTERED that you would ask our opinion after the hours of your life shaved off by maintaining this site . . . any ads you want including (swallow hard) John Tesh thanks again for this meeting place drone on~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 12:23 AM Subject: Looper's Delight sells out >As many of you know, this whole Looper's Delight shebang is funded by my >wallet. It's all grown amazingly popular over the years, and consequently >the costs have gone up. > >It's ok, I can afford it. No danger of things vanishing in the near future. >But for some time now I've had a goal of making the whole thing financially >self-supporting. I'd hoped the CD's would accomplish that, but so far >that's been a bit slow to come to fruition. > SNIP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 13:12:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA16346; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:12:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:12:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: ebay Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:14:03 -0800 Message-ID: <003d01be6fc8$02df8d20$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <000401be6f88$308dfe40$9b22a2d1@i658574> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"3AgND2.0.vk4.NCexs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > >Ebay doesn't hold a candle to harmony central's classified > ads but it isn't > >bad. Naturally, I use them both, but I check h/c 3 times a day. > > www.recycler.com is even better than harmony central. The > ads get updated > once a week and I've found MUCH more music stuff there than > even harmony > central. > > > Recycler puts a hold on all submissions for one week, to let their 'subscribers' get first pick. I stopped bothering with them, though I guess every place is good. I need a new hobby, to take place of this 'bargain hunting'. Hmm, maybe I'll pick up music. :> bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 13:26:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA19362; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:26:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:26:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36EE89D2.25364F8B@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:41:54 -0800 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Cheap Gear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"o-pQ93.0.UZ6.Qbexs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Regarding the Peavy thread- I find that some of my favorite gear is cheap gear- I was given a Strat copy made by Harmony which has more classic Strat tone than many I have tried before- also- in the world of a million Les Pauls and a billion Strats- it can be a Godsend to hear an old cheap Hagstrom or Silvertone etc.- unpopular/ cheap equip. is sometimes unique equip.! It is relative really- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 14:27:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA31822; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:27:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:27:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: OT RE: Cheap Gear Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:47:47 -0800 Message-ID: <004001be6fdd$7d0a86d0$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <36EE89D2.25364F8B@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"mTvEd.0.Ru5.SSgxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just bought a Digitech 256XL to go with my Lexicon Processors. For $70, I didn't think I could go too wrong. I find a mix of the cheap and the fancy makes the best mix for me. The cheap stuff is, well, cheap, and unique in it's cheapness. On an unrelated note, is anyone getting absolutely sick of the really bad techno that appears in every ad on tv these days? It's out-discoing disco! Dt Tsh Dt Tsh Dt Tsh Dt Tsh Dt Tsh Dt Tsh Boowow Wacka Wacka Boowow Wacka Wack Boowow SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSNare Argh!!! Can't they hire >real< musicians? bIz > -----Original Message----- > From: Clifford Novey [mailto:clifsound@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 8:42 AM > To: Loopers > Subject: Cheap Gear > > > Regarding the Peavy thread- > I find that some of my favorite gear is cheap gear- I was > given a Strat > copy made by Harmony which has more classic Strat tone than > many I have > tried before- also- in the world of a million Les Pauls and a billion > Strats- it can be a Godsend to hear an old cheap Hagstrom or > Silvertone > etc.- unpopular/ cheap equip. is sometimes unique equip.! It > is relative > really- > > Cliff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 14:46:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA02742; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:46:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:46:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <7462fb3e.36eea91d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:55:25 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: funky footswitch Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"ivjtI2.0.KP6.ucgxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the multiply footswitch on my edp works every now and then i have to tap it several times and hope that it works where as the one on the front works all the time the footswitch is relatively new it hasnt been banged up or anything of the sort and all the other buttons work well would this be a problem with the actually button or the capacitors any one with similar problems? rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 16:30:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA26838; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:30:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:30:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36EEC1C8.5765@pop.interport.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:40:41 -0500 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: ebay] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GCwoS.0.Wu3.mAixs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > > > > >Ebay doesn't hold a candle to harmony central's classified > > > www.recycler.com is even better than harmony central. The > I need a new hobby, to take place of this 'bargain hunting'. Hmm, maybe I'll > pick up music. :> you guys all missed my point. Not where I found it but that i found it an excellent condition carvin gtr for under$400. jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 17:25:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA08326; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:25:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:25:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990316220919.00ea7ba0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:09:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: funky footswitch Resent-Message-ID: <"11yMm2.0.501.6Rjxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com it's probably the switch gone bad or dirty or whatever. It's very simple to fix, actually. You can probably get Gibson/Oberheim to fix it, or you could do it yourself if you can manage a soldering iron. Gibson would probably send you one of the switches if you ask them, or you can by the exact same part from Mouser. (www.mouser.com, don't remember the part#, sorry). Or you could get a completely different switch if you want. Just has to be a momentary switch, preferably the industrial variety. If you open the pedal up, you'll see its very easy to replace a switch. We intentionally designed the footpedal to have a very simple circuit so that it could suffer any manner of abuse and then be repaired by practically anyone. good luck- kim At 01:55 PM 3/16/99 EST, you wrote: >the multiply footswitch on my edp works every now and then >i have to tap it several times and hope that it works >where as the one on the front works all the time >the footswitch is relatively new >it hasnt been banged up or anything of the sort >and all the other buttons work well >would this be a problem with the actually button or the capacitors >any one with similar problems? > >rodrigo > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@atitech.com http://www.atitech.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 18:19:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA22714; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:19:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:19:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:13:03 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990316162100.00982c60@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:21:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: ebay] In-Reply-To: <36EEC1C8.5765@pop.interport.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ug9un1.0.PC5.fMkxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think that YOU missed THEIR point. Obviously because you found a guitar that you love on e-bay you are a fool who should have waited until one appeared on harmony-central, or apparently, recycler.com. I've heard that Peavey gear sucks unless you get it from one of those auction sites. =;^P At 03:40 PM 3/16/99 -0500, you wrote: >> > >Ebay doesn't hold a candle to harmony central's classified > > >> > www.recycler.com is even better than harmony central. > >you guys all missed my point. Not where I found it but that i found it >an excellent condition carvin gtr for under$400. jp > ........................................................................... But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on computers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 18:28:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA24606; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:28:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:28:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903162320.SAA02513@mail.eclipse.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:21:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Loop subtraction + VST looper plugin? From: "Ken Mistove" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ijxEX2.0.Xl5.5Vkxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, > The soon-to-be-released 'pluggo' from > > http://www.cycling74.com > > features a 30 second delay plugin apparently. I don't have my hands on "pluggo" yet (very soon), but I will be taking a look at turning my looping patcher "Procrastination" (currently four 60 second delay lines) into a plug-in. Stay tuned... Ken for my Listening Room and other oddities: http://www.eclipse.net/~kmistove/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 18:50:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA01604; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:50:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:50:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:32:35 -0800 Message-ID: <001A9B95.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: [Fwd: Re: ebay] To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Chuck Zwicky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"hZ8jH1.0.7d7.opkxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com CZ... > I think that YOU missed THEIR point. Obviously because you found a guitar that > you love on e-bay you are a fool who should have waited until one appeared on > harmony-central, or apparently, recycler.com. You should have orderd direct from Carvin, then dickered them down to your price! |:=/> CZ... > I've heard that Peavey gear sucks unless you get it from one of those auction > sites. =;^P Here's the summary: Ebay sucks... Peavey sucks... Harmony Central sucks (relative to Recycler) Way Huge is outabiz... Lovetone's still around and will rule the world someday... %{:?- Here's a hint... You haven't lived until you dump this cumbersome online techno-crapola and gotten into your car and driven to the stores where you can get the REAL story on the gear you're looking for! All the secret shortcuts and hints the PROS use... Out there in the real world where men are men... etc. The guys at the stores are EXPERTS at what they're selling and could save you a lot of grief after some impulse buy at an online site! Join the real world you geeks! 8-> Biffoz... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 19:01:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA05487; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:01:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:01:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Fwd: Re: ebay] Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:58:08 -0800 Message-ID: <004901be7008$d7f59dc0$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <001A9B95.C21407@wj.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"tbYgg2.0.pw.T_kxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I think that YOU missed THEIR point. Obviously because you found a guitar >that you love on e-bay you are a fool who should have waited until one >appeared on harmony-central, or apparently, recycler.com. > >I've heard that Peavey gear sucks unless you get it from one of those >auction sites. =;^P > Exactly! You got your guitar, yah de yah, wohoo!, it arrived! and all that. But >now< you've got it. What are you going to do >now?< There's only one thing to do - it's time for the next one! OR the next one! OR the next one!! Better yet! Sell the guitar for a $5 profit! Damn, I'll do anything to keep me from actually having to write any music... > > Here's a hint... You haven't lived until you dump this > cumbersome online > techno-crapola and gotten into your car and driven to the > stores where you can > get the REAL story on the gear you're looking for! All the > secret shortcuts and > hints the PROS use... Out there in the real world where men > are men... etc. The > guys at the stores are EXPERTS at what they're selling and > could save you a lot > of grief after some impulse buy at an online site! Join the > real world you > geeks! 8-> > ROFLOL Where is this magical place where the salespeople actually know more than their customers about their products? bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 19:22:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA14793; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:22:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:22:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:09:10 -0800 Message-ID: <001A9C17.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[4]: [Fwd: Re: ebay] To: , "Jonathan El-Bizri" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"pZqfW2.0.zJ3.cGlxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > ROFLOL PWAYRT??? > Where is this magical place where the salespeople actually know more than > their customers about their products? > bIz There's a song about it, sung to the tune of "Somewhere Over The Rainbow". A nod of appreciation *does* go to Leo's Pro Audio in Oakland. It's still hard to ferret out anything approaching deep, relative to what we access daily here on the LD list. They never have enough time to really dig in... It's hard when other people are pestering you. -B. Fozz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 20:00:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA21978; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:00:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:00:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:34:38 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loop subtraction + VST looper plugin? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"ePnMJ.0.bP4.aclxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/16/99 9:26:38 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, kmistove@eclipse.net writes: << for my Listening Room and other oddities: http://www.eclipse.net/~kmistove/ >> ken.....a most wonderful site.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 20:09:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA23582; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:09:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:09:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36EEFD70.6BFA@pop.interport.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:04:25 -0500 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: ebay]] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UZyXi3.0.7Z5.u-lxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mike Biffle wrote: > Here's a hint... You haven't lived until you dump this cumbersome online > techno-crapola and gotten into your car and driven to the stores where you can > get the REAL story on the gear you're looking for! All the secret shortcuts and > hints the PROS use... Out there in the real world where men are men... etc. The > guys at the stores are EXPERTS at what they're selling and could save you a lot > of grief after some impulse buy at an online site! Join the real world you > geeks! 8-> Well thanks for the hint Mike, but I guess everything is relative.Some folks have a busy life and don't have time to drive around all day. As a matter of fact, I feel I'm the EXPERT of what I like, and I recognize it online or in a magazine. In my opinion, the guys at the music store either seem to be highschool kids who play or maybe to you the 40year old long haired wannabe at the music store whose still waiting for his lucky break is the expert. If that's the real world for you Mike maybe you better go get a new Mel Bay book and run some jazz scales for your 19 yearold gtr teacher at the local music store, I heard he's got a new Van Halen riff he wants you to learn .. have a nice day....jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 20:52:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA30938; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:52:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:52:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D4EB@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: ebay]] Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:30:46 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"25OKK1.0.-j6.nOmxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Damn . . . people seem to be getting pretty upset about this . . . all i want to know is how about us 40-somethings sortaares? > > Here's a hint... You haven't lived until you dump this cumbersome online > > techno-crapola and gotten into your car and driven to the stores where > you can > > get the REAL story on the gear you're looking for! All the secret > shortcuts and > > hints the PROS use... Out there in the real world where men are men... > etc. The > > guys at the stores are EXPERTS at what they're selling and could save > you a lot > > of grief after some impulse buy at an online site! Join the real world > you > > geeks! 8-> > Well thanks for the hint Mike, but I guess everything is relative.Some > folks have a busy life and don't have time to drive around all day. As a > matter of fact, I feel I'm the EXPERT of what I like, and I recognize it > online or in a magazine. In my opinion, the guys at the music store > either seem to be highschool kids who play or maybe to you the 40year > old long haired wannabe at the music store whose still waiting for his > lucky break is the expert. > If that's the real world for you Mike maybe you better go get a new > Mel Bay book and run some jazz scales for your 19 yearold gtr teacher at > the local music store, I heard he's got a new Van Halen riff he wants > you to learn .. have a nice day....jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 21:39:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA06206; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:39:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:39:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36EF14B8.6DE9@pop.interport.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:34:40 -0500 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: ebay]] References: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D4EB@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Gy3AD2.0.OJ1.NJnxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com nothing personal to all 40ish, music store employees or kids who work there; unless you are a wannabe waiting for your lucky break. sorry everybody else, all I wanted to do originally was share my news that I got a nice gtr at a nice price, and where....good night.jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 22:14:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA12050; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:14:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:14:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36EEFD70.6BFA@pop.interport.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:10:03 -0800 To: jparada@changenow.com, loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: ebay]] Resent-Message-ID: <"Xskvm.0.Hm2.bqnxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:04 PM -0500 3/16/99, John + Diane Parada wrote: > Mike Biffle wrote: > > >> Here's a hint... You haven't lived until you dump this cumbersome online >> techno-crapola and gotten into your car and driven to the stores where you can >> get the REAL story on the gear you're looking for! All the secret shortcuts and >> hints the PROS use... Out there in the real world where men are men... etc. The >> guys at the stores are EXPERTS at what they're selling and could save you a lot >> of grief after some impulse buy at an online site! Join the real world you >> geeks! 8-> > Well thanks for the hint Mike, but I guess everything is relative.Some > folks have a busy life and don't have time to drive around all day. As a > matter of fact, I feel I'm the EXPERT of what I like, and I recognize it > online or in a magazine. In my opinion, the guys at the music store > either seem to be highschool kids who play or maybe to you the 40year > old long haired wannabe at the music store whose still waiting for his > lucky break is the expert. > If that's the real world for you Mike maybe you better go get a new > Mel Bay book and run some jazz scales for your 19 yearold gtr teacher at > the local music store, I heard he's got a new Van Halen riff he wants > you to learn .. have a nice day....jp Living proof that sarcasm doesn't translate on line. Chris ____________________________________________________________ Chris Muir | cbm@well.com | got moloko? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 22:43:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA16409; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:43:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:43:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ManX72@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:32:32 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anyone using Minidisc for looping? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"tW4ZT2.0.pq3.vEoxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com good luck From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 23:14:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA20925; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:14:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:14:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:07:56 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: MIDI and microtonality Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"mbn-J.0.C05.Ijoxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com any loopers out there using midi guitar rigs to get into microtonality i was in a guitar store the other day and started fiddling with the vg8 i could care less about all the amp/guitar/speaker simulations i like all of the modeling stuff its capable of doing in a matter of minutes i was getting sounds that were out of hand and thats not even understanding the os(which seems to be a pain in the arse) my guitar teacher is selling me his gk2a for cheap and im thinking of getting into midi guitar(i play piano/keyboards so i never went for the guitar/midi thing before) i just want to know if its possible to get into the tuning tables of the guitar/midi gear like in keyboard gear anybody doing that kind of thing? thoughts? suggestions? and for that matter i was looking at the lucytuned guitar page a while ago and although i wasnt too drawn to their 'true tuning' microtonality i was drawn to the idea of more than one set of fretted octave division on the same guitar so its capable of playing in 12TET and ??? does anybody out there do that kind of thing or seen anybody with that thanks rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 00:01:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA29174; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:01:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:01:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001d01be7033$e0094720$8a22a2d1@i658574> From: "Peter Spoecker" To: Subject: Wowie Zowie Ebay etc. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:05:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3bAHV2.0.tb6.eDpxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When I added my little bit about the relative merits of ebay vs harmony central and mentioned that in my experience recycler was better than either I was only trying to give some helpful info. I wish I had discovered all these classified ad sites sooner. I'm just astounded that this thread devolved into the bizarreness it did. Well, I suppose a certain amount of that can be a spice for a forum that could get a bit too dry or technical sometimes, but I was on another list (that will remain un-named) a while back that was mostly off topic discussions and I finally got tired of these futile discussions and dropped out. As for why I like the recycler classified ads (in spite of the fact that paid subscibers get first pick) is that they have the most listings of anyplace. I recently got a virtually new nanocompressor for $65 and a mint AKG C1000s microphone for $100. There were several of each to choose from and I never found either one on harmony central. I also recently saw a jamman advertised for $50. A paid subscriber got that one and I then saw another one with memory upgrade for $350. The idea here is not to get another controversy going, but just to share useful info. I live at least 100 miles from any large music store and maybe more of you have various reasons for preferring to conveniently sift through huge databases looking for what you want rather than running around all over trying to find it. Anyway, you all have fun shopping for your gear in whatever manner you prefer and peace to you all. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 16 23:43:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA26617; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:43:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:43:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990316223543.007d0130@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:35:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Alesis M-1 Monitors In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pgUMm3.0.eF6.o4pxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, all... I'm in the process of setting up a recording workstation (away from my stereo & rehearsal room, for once...). I'm looking for the best price on the new Alesis M-1 powered monitors. If anyone can recommend a dealer with a price better than Musician's Friend, Music Emporium and Mars Music (all of whom have them for $499 for the pair), please drop me a line. I would appreciate any input you all could offer as to what you've seen. Thanks, Jeff McLeod __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 01:30:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA22631; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:30:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:30:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36EF4CA7.811F8672@magelang.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:33:11 -0700 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MIDI and microtonality References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bhv2f3.0.bJ5.qgqxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I haven't specifically done this with guitar (though I do use an axon regularly), but have with synthesizers. The main problem I've run into is that there are few synths that support alternative tunings, and most of those don't offer terribly accurate or flexible tuning options. I think most Yamaha FM synths can do ok, and Wendy Carlos uses her K2000 for such. If you can find her web page, I think some of here tunings were listed there. Harry Parch came up with a 43-tone-per-octave scale that had all sorts of funky properties. It is described in his almost-unreadable book _Genesis Of A Music_. This is the sort of scale that requires very high tuning resolution: 0.1 cents. Though it does contain several sub-scales that could be done on a synth w/ 1 cent tuning resolution. Kriist@aol.com wrote: > > any loopers out there using midi guitar rigs to get into microtonality > i was in a guitar store the other day and started fiddling with the vg8 > i could care less about all the amp/guitar/speaker simulations > i like all of the modeling stuff its capable of doing > in a matter of minutes i was getting sounds that were out of hand > and thats not even understanding the os(which seems to be a pain in the arse) > my guitar teacher is selling me his gk2a for cheap and im thinking of getting > into midi guitar(i play piano/keyboards so i never went for the guitar/midi > thing before) > i just want to know if its possible to get into the tuning tables of the > guitar/midi gear like in keyboard gear > anybody doing that kind of thing? > thoughts? suggestions? > > rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 01:52:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA25213; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:52:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:52:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:33:45 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Alesis M-1 Monitors Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"EVc743.0.Lf5.Jqqxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Mr. McLeod, Check out http://www.wmcworld.com , Chuck Levin's may have a better price, but I could easily be wrong. 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Thank you. ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 11:14:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA27848; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:14:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:14:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <81187A52F28ED21197D200805FBB030F4AB645@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> From: "Wordsman, Lee" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Fwd: Re: ebay] Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:36:14 -0500 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"biZiv.0.6h4.gVsxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm sure this thread has recieved the required pointless beating and can now go away. Back to the looping. Question 1: It's my understanding that the EDP can have up to nine seperate loops. The time of the loops can't exceed the total time that is installed as memory (50 seconds out of the box). Once you've set the number of loops that you want with their associated times, you can layer ontop of each one. These loops can then be played all together or in any combination. So you could have a verse section that included loops with voice and rythym tracks as well as chorus tracks with the same. This could be alternated to suit ones needs in the context of a given song. Not to mention layering lead tracks, noises, etc. on top of any of these tracks. Is this correct. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:jbiz@linkexchange.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 6:58 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Fwd: Re: ebay] > > > >I think that YOU missed THEIR point. Obviously because you > found a guitar > >that you love on e-bay you are a fool who should have waited > until one > >appeared on harmony-central, or apparently, recycler.com. > > > >I've heard that Peavey gear sucks unless you get it from one of those > >auction sites. =;^P > > > > Exactly! You got your guitar, yah de yah, wohoo!, it arrived! > and all that. > But >now< you've got it. What are you going to do >now?< > There's only one > thing to do - it's time for the next one! OR the next one! OR > the next one!! > Better yet! Sell the guitar for a $5 profit! Damn, I'll do > anything to keep > me from actually having to write any music... > > > > > Here's a hint... You haven't lived until you dump this > > cumbersome online > > techno-crapola and gotten into your car and driven to the > > stores where you can > > get the REAL story on the gear you're looking for! All the > > secret shortcuts and > > hints the PROS use... Out there in the real world where men > > are men... etc. The > > guys at the stores are EXPERTS at what they're selling and > > could save you a lot > > of grief after some impulse buy at an online site! Join the > > real world you > > geeks! 8-> > > > > ROFLOL > > Where is this magical place where the salespeople actually > know more than > their customers about their products? > > bIz > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 12:28:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA07588; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:28:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:28:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36EFD9A1.5795@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:34:41 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Question 1 (was other stuff) References: <81187A52F28ED21197D200805FBB030F4AB645@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1y0UO2.0.-k7.Idzxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wordsman, Lee wrote: > > Question 1: It's my understanding that the EDP can have up to nine seperate > loops. The time of the loops can't exceed the total time that is installed > as memory (50 seconds out of the box). Once you've set the number of loops > that you want with their associated times, you can layer ontop of each one. > These loops can then be played all together or in any combination. So you > could have a verse section that included loops with voice and rythym tracks > as well as chorus tracks with the same. This could be alternated to suit > ones needs in the context of a given song. Not to mention layering lead > tracks, noises, etc. on top of any of these tracks. Is this correct. Kim! How about one of your famous "EDP Railroad Track Diagrams" (tm by Kim Flint :)? - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 12:37:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA09152; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:37:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:37:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:37:07 -0800 (PST) From: "David C. Kwan" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Akai Headrush anyone? In-Reply-To: <199903170841.DAA04481@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ugTay1.0.4_7.9izxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anyone tried the Akai's simulated four-head tape delay pedal, aka Headrush? I haven't heard a peep about it since NAMM, but the feature set looks promising. Also, Musician's Friend currently has this unit going for $199. Any reviews? ~David K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 12:38:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA09290; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:38:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:38:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36EFDB5E.51D0BEF8@uswest.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:42:07 -0700 From: "James Lanpheer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-USWC0720 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: MIDI and microtonality References: <36EF4CA7.811F8672@magelang.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ORLd41.0.R8._jzxs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For info on microtonality, I've found a good source in the Just Intonation Network. If you browse around, you'll find a link to a site which summarizes the microtonal features of the various synths. That link is: http://www.dnai.com/~jinetwk/ Regards, Jim Lanpheer Jim Coker wrote: > I haven't specifically done this with guitar (though > I do use an axon regularly), but have with synthesizers. > The main problem I've run into is that there are few > synths that support alternative tunings, and most of those > don't offer terribly accurate or flexible tuning options. > I think most Yamaha FM synths can do ok, and Wendy Carlos > uses her K2000 for such. If you can find her web page, > I think some of here tunings were listed there. > > Harry Parch came up with a 43-tone-per-octave scale that > had all sorts of funky properties. It is described in his > almost-unreadable book _Genesis Of A Music_. This is the > sort of scale that requires very high tuning resolution: > 0.1 cents. Though it does contain several sub-scales that > could be done on a synth w/ 1 cent tuning resolution. > > Kriist@aol.com wrote: > > > > any loopers out there using midi guitar rigs to get into microtonality > > i was in a guitar store the other day and started fiddling with the vg8 > > i could care less about all the amp/guitar/speaker simulations > > i like all of the modeling stuff its capable of doing > > in a matter of minutes i was getting sounds that were out of hand > > and thats not even understanding the os(which seems to be a pain in the arse) > > my guitar teacher is selling me his gk2a for cheap and im thinking of getting > > into midi guitar(i play piano/keyboards so i never went for the guitar/midi > > thing before) > > i just want to know if its possible to get into the tuning tables of the > > guitar/midi gear like in keyboard gear > > anybody doing that kind of thing? > > thoughts? suggestions? > > > > rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 13:08:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA14228; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:08:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:08:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990317173649.12988.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:36:49 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Fwd: Re: ebay] To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"oOxpI.0.Qt2.rm-xs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lee, Via MORELOOPS you tell the EDP how many distinct loops that you will want. This can be as many as 9 loops. You can only play ONE of these loops at a time (if you have only 1 EDP). You can randomly select ANY of the 9, but play 1 at a time. Each of these 9 can be recorded, overdubed, erased independant of the other 8. Each of the 9 can be a unique length in time ( or not if you want some the same). You can copy a loop from, say, loop #1, to the space in loop #2, so that loops 1 and 2 are now the same, then overdub on loop #2 so that it is "grown" from loop #1. This loop copy, and overdub method can be continued so that you have embelished copies of loop 1 at loop #2, #3 etc. Hope this answers your questions. You must shop at recycler, or harmony central. If you shopped at Ebay you would have known these things :-) bret ---"Wordsman, Lee" wrote: > > I'm sure this thread has recieved the required pointless beating and can now > go away. > > Back to the looping. > > Question 1: It's my understanding that the EDP can have up to nine seperate > loops. The time of the loops can't exceed the total time that is installed > as memory (50 seconds out of the box). Once you've set the number of loops > that you want with their associated times, you can layer ontop of each one. > These loops can then be played all together or in any combination. So you > could have a verse section that included loops with voice and rythym tracks > as well as chorus tracks with the same. This could be alternated to suit > ones needs in the context of a given song. Not to mention layering lead > tracks, noises, etc. on top of any of these tracks. Is this correct. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 15:52:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA18775; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:52:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:52:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36EFD9A1.5795@mdbs.com> References: <81187A52F28ED21197D200805FBB030F4AB645@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:53:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Question 1 (was other stuff) Resent-Message-ID: <"aelxv2.0.7l1.Vs0ys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:34 AM -0800 3/17/99, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >Wordsman, Lee wrote: >> >> Question 1: It's my understanding that the EDP can have up to nine seperate >> loops. The time of the loops can't exceed the total time that is installed >> as memory (50 seconds out of the box). Once you've set the number of loops >> that you want with their associated times, you can layer ontop of each one. >> These loops can then be played all together or in any combination. So you >> could have a verse section that included loops with voice and rythym tracks >> as well as chorus tracks with the same. This could be alternated to suit >> ones needs in the context of a given song. Not to mention layering lead >> tracks, noises, etc. on top of any of these tracks. Is this correct. > >Kim! How about one of your famous "EDP Railroad Track Diagrams" (tm by >Kim Flint :)? > Check out the echoplex FAQ on the Looper's site, there is a whole section on multiple loops that answers all of your questions, and more. And down at the bottom of the multi-loop page, there's even a train track bit....:-) http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 15:50:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA18155; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:50:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:50:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36F009DA.5D507DA5@Buddhas.de> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:00:26 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: echoplex undocumented features Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 320024095934-0001@t-online.de From: Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de (Manfred Bohnhoff) Resent-Message-ID: <"ovYSo3.0.KN1.Eo0ys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fellow Echoplex owners, this may have been discussed before, so I´ll gladly accept any information source pointers. I am still at the beginning working my way through all my new plex´s features but I find that some don´t act the way the manual suggests. In particular, what I found out so far is that the SwitchQuant Parameter offers the tree values cyc, cnf, off instead of just on, off like the manual says. I have no intuition as to the meaning of these. Next, and more annoying, the undo button WILL let me erase layer by layer but not in the way described: long presses are ignored completely while short _double_ presses sometimes do the job and sometimes don´t. This seems to occur independently from where in the loop I am. Same to single short presses to remove the "tail" of the layer. They randomly sometimes work or don´t. Bug or feature? Is there an update to the manual somewhere? Any hints are appreciated. Manfred From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 16:40:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA30637; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:40:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:40:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990317211859.00eb93f0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:18:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex undocumented features Resent-Message-ID: <"QfGDP2.0.yN6.Xn1ys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com check the FAQ: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html I think it answers you, if not let me know what should be added. It's still a work in progress, I've got a bunch of old posts and stuff I still need to organize into FAQ form. I can make particular items a priority if people are having trouble with it. with undo, make sure you understand how it is affected by memory usage, feedback, and the way you overdub. kim At 09:00 PM 3/17/99 +0100, Manfred Bohnhoff wrote: >Fellow Echoplex owners, > >this may have been discussed before, so I=B4ll gladly accept any >information source pointers. > >I am still at the beginning working my way through all my new plex=B4s >features but I find that some don=B4t act the way the manual suggests. > >In particular, what I found out so far is that the SwitchQuant Parameter >offers the tree values cyc, cnf, off instead of just on, off like the >manual says. I have no intuition as to the meaning of these. >Next, and more annoying, the undo button WILL let me erase layer by >layer but not in the way described: long presses are ignored completely >while short _double_ presses sometimes do the job and sometimes don=B4t. >This seems to occur independently from where in the loop I am. Same to >single short presses to remove the "tail" of the layer. They randomly >sometimes work or don=B4t. > >Bug or feature? > >Is there an update to the manual somewhere? > >Any hints are appreciated. > >Manfred > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@atitech.com http://www.atitech.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 16:47:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA32676; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:47:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:47:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:23:03 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Akai Headrush anyone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"a6dQE3.0.Yh6.Bs1ys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this isn't going to turn into the "fabled dod 8 second delay pedal" is it? this thing really exists right? happy st. patty's day to you all! =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 17:01:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA03601; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:01:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:01:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <81187A52F28ED21197D200805FBB030F4AB647@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> From: "Wordsman, Lee" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Question 1 (was other stuff) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:40:25 -0500 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"edp5K.0.GS7.O42ys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was remembering the train analogy as I wrote the question but I couldn't quite remember it. Thanks for the reminder about the FAQ. I'm getting close to going for the big purchase. Alto is less than an hour from me so I'm hoping to get up there and buy one in person. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 2:53 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Question 1 (was other stuff) > > > At 8:34 AM -0800 3/17/99, Dennis W. Leas wrote: > >Wordsman, Lee wrote: > >> > >> Question 1: It's my understanding that the EDP can have > up to nine seperate > >> loops. The time of the loops can't exceed the total time > that is installed > >> as memory (50 seconds out of the box). Once you've set > the number of loops > >> that you want with their associated times, you can layer > ontop of each one. > >> These loops can then be played all together or in any > combination. So you > >> could have a verse section that included loops with voice > and rythym tracks > >> as well as chorus tracks with the same. This could be > alternated to suit > >> ones needs in the context of a given song. Not to mention > layering lead > >> tracks, noises, etc. on top of any of these tracks. Is > this correct. > > > >Kim! How about one of your famous "EDP Railroad Track > Diagrams" (tm by > >Kim Flint :)? > > > > Check out the echoplex FAQ on the Looper's site, there is a > whole section > on multiple loops that answers all of your questions, and more. > > And down at the bottom of the multi-loop page, there's even a > train track > bit....:-) > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 17:29:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA09286; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:29:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:29:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:11:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: problem w/mailing list archive search engine? Resent-Message-ID: <"BgAtQ2.0.qL1.vW2ys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Having trouble with the mailing list archive search engine. Tried searching on a couple topics, with no matches....then tried testing it by searching for "echoplex" and still no matches.......anyone else having trouble? Any ideas, Kim? - Chris ----------------------------- Chris Chovit cho@newdream.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 18:57:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA26703; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:57:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:57:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:23:39 -0800 Message-ID: <001AACDD.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Ebay and geeks... To: John + Diane Parada Cc: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"siBNd.0.OK5.ml3ys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi John, this is my last reply on this and I'm posting to the group as well... I didn't call YOU a geek. I called everyone on the list geeks... with smileys, obvious ridiculous statements, and in response to Chuck Zwickey's oblique and humorous post... you weren't even mentioned in my post... Others got it and enjoyed it. Maybe some other's took offense. I think you're taking this too a little too seriously. But I apologize to you and everyone else on the list who I might have offended... As for my profile... I pointed you that way, so you might know 1. my age. 2. my influences and 3. my own uses of technology. You're the one to get personal with your comments online, although one was correct: I AM a wicked good Van Halen impersonator... 8-> (looks only, my guitar playing is bloated and flatulent...) Best regards, -Miko Biffle ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: ebay]] Author: John + Diane Parada at INTERNET Date: 3/17/99 3:49 PM mike your humour came off as mean and nasty. You're right I didn't read your profile what's it going to tell me what a scary great gtr wizard you are? I still don't get your joke. What's the point? Where is the fun in calling me a geek. You don't know me nor what I do. Why not keep your humour to yourself- cause believe it or not you are not funny...jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 21:27:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA01695; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:27:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:27:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990318020701.00ee1e50@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:07:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: problem w/mailing list archive search engine? Resent-Message-ID: <"r1ZTb3.0.td7.a_5ys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:11 PM 3/17/99 -0800, Chris Chovit wrote: >Having trouble with the mailing list archive search engine. Tried >searching on a couple topics, with no matches....then tried testing it by >searching for "echoplex" and still no matches.......anyone else having >trouble? > >Any ideas, Kim? sorry, it's broken at the moment. Actually it's been broken for a couple of weeks, but you're the first to comment. Amusing story, unless you are me and have to deal with it: My web host provider recently installed this resource monitor that watches everything and kills any process it doesn't like. Ha, ha, they didn't happen to tell us this. And, oh by the way they are still tuning it and deciding how the parameters need to be set, so you know, maybe it's killing things for no good reason. But, heck, how bad could that be? So, I have a cron job that runs each night at about 4am, when the server load is very light. A script converts that day's posts to html and adds them to the archive, and then does an incremental indexing to add the keywords to the search engine index. This is a bit processor intensive for just that one period, but not too bad since it's just one day's worth. And then the regular user searches the rest of the day go very fast since they just refer to the index. Now, It happens that a 4am, when nobody is using the system, my little script had no competition for resources and Linux was happily giving it as much of the cpu as it wanted. So one night it crossed some arbitrary threshold, and the monitor promptly killed it. Since it was in the middle of incrementing the index, the whole index file wound up corrupted. So the search engine was hosed. So I discovered this and realized I had to do a complete index on the whole bloody archive, which after 2.5 years of loop babbling is a REALLY big job. As you might imagine, the monitor REALLY hates that full-on indexing process and kills it too. Which of course, means I've been unable to fix it. So my provider and I have been having some talks. ;-) After a couple of weeks of screwing around with monitor parameters and me forcing all my scripts to run in low priority "nice" modes, various statements about "Load Average" and "multi-threading" and "priority assignment", and mostly waiting around for the sysadmin to actually do something about it, it still don't work. So finally, after my most recent "what the fuck is going on?" mail to them, we reached today's point in the negotiations, where they agree to shut off the monitor for 15 minutes tonight while I run my big indexing script to fix everything. And hopefully my usual nightly script is now "nice" enough, and their monitor is tuned right, and everything will be just roses after that. hopefully... So check it tomorrow, maybe it'll be working.... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@atitech.com http://www.atitech.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 22:26:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA12131; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:26:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:26:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1194e2cb.36f06c82@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:01:22 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Ebay and geeks... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Resent-Message-ID: <"QKoWj.0.Or1.Vs6ys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/17/99 9:56:35 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, Mike.Biffle@wj.com writes: << my guitar playing is bloated and flatulent...) miko.....where's my tape?........ill pay any price.......... (:?/..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 22:38:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA14320; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:38:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:38:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990317221025.0092f140@unix01.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@unix01.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:11:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Fabled DOD 8 second delay In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"cDbh02.0.PN2.M-6ys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 04:23 PM 3/17/99 -0500, PJBMHB@aol.com wrote Re: Akai Headrush anyone?: >this isn't going to turn into the "fabled dod 8 second delay pedal" is it? >this thing really exists right? happy st. patty's day to you all! =-) PJ Fabled? I have one. I'll bet they are not made anymore but they used to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 17 23:33:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA23161; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:33:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:33:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001201be70f7$59160180$6896adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: Ebay and geeks... Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:25:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"M3CM83.0.zy4.ys7ys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle To: John + Diane Parada Cc: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 6:25 PM Subject: Re[2]: Ebay and geeks... > Hi John, this is my last reply on this and I'm posting to the group as > well... > > I didn't call YOU a geek. I called everyone on the list geeks... with > smileys, obvious ridiculous statements, and in response to Chuck > Zwickey's oblique and humorous post SNIP > You're the one to get personal with your comments online, although one > was correct: I AM a wicked good Van Halen impersonator... 8-> (looks > only, my guitar playing is bloated and flatulent...) Miko: you're distorting the truth again ;) anyone who can play acoustic guitar with three didgeridu players (in various keys and assorted signatures) in an observatory dome with a several second reverb time while keeping the thing from degenerating into a sonic mess . . . well . . . I wouldn't characterize his playing as bloated OR flatulent drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 18 00:50:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA11461; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:50:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:50:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36F08914.596CA21D@eznet.net> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:03:16 -0500 From: Patrick Blackburn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Minidisc for looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"no2DJ2.0.Ox6.ti8ys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com attn: ManX72@aol.com: Since late October, '98, I've been on a solo tour involving an 8string Mark Warr guitar and a Fender Roland-Ready Strat doing lectures, workshops, and performances in which I've built quite a sizeable library of samples that filter through a SoundScape Switchblade GT, and then run through Roland GR30; VG8; GT10, and other processors directly into a JamMan to amuse, abuse, etc. college students. The samples I construct are originally built in my studio and transferred to DAT SBM Mapping and then optical corded to MiniDisc. I travel with a MDWalkman and an AB switch that allows me to use a Yamaha QY70 sequencer in addition to the MiniDisc player. The samples are crystalline clear via DAT and optics and the size of the MiniDisc player and sequencer saves big bucks on flights!!! My equipment costs more to fly than me. In accordance; my next show is at the Rhode Island School of Design on 6. April, 1999 at 7.30pm at the RISD Auditorium. Hope I answered questions and will be glad to offer tech info if anyone needs help. Cheers, Patrick Blackburn. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 18 03:15:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA02721; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 03:15:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 03:15:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:53:06 -0500 (EST) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SmartSuite...SAVE HUNDREDS! In-Reply-To: <199903171501.KAA16230@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QO8vL3.0.tW.EGBys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, Is this part of your new advertising supplements? :^) Stew From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 18 13:01:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA22824; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:01:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:01:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903181609.LAA15797@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: MIDI and microtonality/VG8, Metheny Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:08:00 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HP2aC.0.35.iLIys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com of course - check out vg8.com, or conference-call Vernon Reid & Pat Metheny.... get some tips outta them BTW - the VG8 may have won it's first grammy - Pat Metheny has won - Best Rock Instrumental for "roots of coincidence" - before you flame - listen to this incredible track - it's like Pat sitting in with Crimson!!! check out a couple remixes at http://www.patmethenygroup.com - the track is heavily VG8 andre east Homepage http://www.monmouth.com/~andre Info on my bands JFK's LSD UFO and HIDDEN AGENDA official PROJECT/OBJECT site http://projectobject.com [frank zappa tribute band i play guitar in] ---------- > From: Kriist@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: MIDI and microtonality > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 11:07 PM > > any loopers out there using midi guitar rigs to get into microtonality > i was in a guitar store the other day and started fiddling with the vg8 > i could care less about all the amp/guitar/speaker simulations > i like all of the modeling stuff its capable of doing > in a matter of minutes i was getting sounds that were out of hand > and thats not even understanding the os(which seems to be a pain in the arse) > my guitar teacher is selling me his gk2a for cheap and im thinking of getting > into midi guitar(i play piano/keyboards so i never went for the guitar/midi > thing before) > i just want to know if its possible to get into the tuning tables of the > guitar/midi gear like in keyboard gear > anybody doing that kind of thing? > thoughts? suggestions? > > and for that matter i was looking at the lucytuned guitar page a while ago and > although i wasnt too drawn to their 'true tuning' microtonality > i was drawn to the idea of more than one set of fretted octave division on the > same guitar so its capable of playing in 12TET and ??? > does anybody out there do that kind of thing or seen anybody with that > > thanks > rodrigo > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 18 14:01:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA05351; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:01:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:01:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Kim Flint'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP Feature Idea Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:10:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"ziVl61.0.UW6.H9Kys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim & EDP Loopologists - I have an idea for the next EDP software upgrade. It has to do with live performance and silently ending / killing an old loop. The "problem" I'm aiming to "solve" is the deep "PUMB" sound the EDP puts out when I press and hold RECORD button to kill an old loop. Normally I decrease the FEEDBACK on my loops until they are silent -- or rather, the loop has no signal left in it. Then, to start a new loop I'll press and hold the RECORD button to clear the "old loop length" from memory. It's as the the EDP clears that it emits the deep "pumb" sound. It's not much of a bother, but through a big PA it can be very loud. Is there a way to silence the EDP so it doesn't make that noise? David Kirkdorffer UNDO From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 18 13:58:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA04528; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:58:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:58:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:35:55 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990318111900.0157f140@mail.well.com> X-Sender: flawsjef@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:26:36 -0600 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Jeffrey Flaws Subject: Lexicon VORTEX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Dhg1z1.0.Nz3.LcJys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have seen this unit mentioned here a few times ... now, I don't know what the formula is, but I just strolled into a Guitar Center (Which, by the way, sucks... *note 1) yesterday, walked out with one for $150. A couple weeks back, did the same at a small guitar shop, for about twenty bucks LESS. I've seen them going on Ebay and such for a bit more, maybe that's just market forces at work. All I'm getting at, is they seem to be out there; as Jerry would remind us, "You just gotta poke around...." Thanks to folks "here" (L.D.) who posted the Docs for Vortex. (*Note 1 - in an article about a year ago, Corey Greenberg wrote about his acquisition of a neat compressor at Guitar Center (which, by the way, sucks) and made a point of following every mention with his little "sucks" disclaimer. Yeah, it's a pain to price shop there, but if you get a good relationship with your sales rep, they do appreciate return business and are empowered to negotiate to that end. At any rate, many people in the sound sales business have heard the little "sucks" disclaimer will get a good belly laugh, and often extend you an extra walk-in discount, if you remember to repeat the "which, by the way..." comment.) Peace ... Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 18 13:53:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA02763; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:53:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:53:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903181727.JAA21894@scv1.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:31:33 -0600 Subject: UK venues From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Za-py.0.M34.gdJys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My apologies to all the non-UK residents on the list. I'm going to the United Kingdom the second half of September to promote my next self-released CD (ambient guitar and piano). I'll be playing at the various Borders Books & Music stores there, but I'm also looking for other places to play. If you know of experimental-music friendly places to gig, anywhere in the UK (I'll be mobile), please respond privately to me at tiktok@sprintmail.com. I'm also looking for friendly press to contact for promotional purposes. I'm looking to play as much as possible and sell some CD's, not necessarily to get a lot of money from the performance venues. Thanks, Travis Hartnett Tiktok From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 18 14:40:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA14491; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:40:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:40:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:43:50 -0800 Message-ID: <001AB656.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[4]: Ebay and geeks... To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"uX8RP3.0.j86.h2Kys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > you're distorting the truth again ;) What's life without distortion? I don't wanna know! -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 18 15:01:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA17744; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:01:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:01:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199903171501.KAA16230@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 03:40:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: SmartSuite...SAVE HUNDREDS! Resent-Message-ID: <"8E98.0.GE7.4LKys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Kim, Is this part of your new advertising supplements? :^) > >Stew yeah, I wish. for every one that shows up on the list, I'm getting about 20. and it's all these boring crap scams about making bazillions with online businesses. I hardly ever get porno spam anymore....at least that was fun...:-( making bazillions is easy, if putting ads on the site doesn't work out, I'll just have an ipo. LOOP on nasdaq, hehe! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 18 16:02:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA00772; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:02:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:02:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990318193927.008bf028@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:39:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Feature Idea Resent-Message-ID: <"gbBWQ3.0.6h3.oULys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi David- that's not a software thing. It's caused by dc offsets in the analog part of the circuit. (specifically, the VCA, for those interested). There's a trimpot on the circuit board that trims the offset away, so you don't get pops. Sounds like this trimpot is not set right on your unit, or things have drifted with age and it needs to be reset. You should be able to set it yourself. There's a test routine built in the software to help out. Send me mail at my home address (kflint@annihilist.com) to remind me, and I'll send you directions on how to do that later. probably belongs in the FAQ, right? kim At 01:10 PM 3/18/99 -0500, you wrote: >Kim & EDP Loopologists - > >I have an idea for the next EDP software upgrade. It has to do with live >performance and silently ending / killing an old loop. > >The "problem" I'm aiming to "solve" is the deep "PUMB" sound the EDP puts >out when I press and hold RECORD button to kill an old loop. > >Normally I decrease the FEEDBACK on my loops until they are silent -- or >rather, the loop has no signal left in it. Then, to start a new loop I'll >press and hold the RECORD button to clear the "old loop length" from memory. > >It's as the the EDP clears that it emits the deep "pumb" sound. It's not >much of a bother, but through a big PA it can be very loud. > >Is there a way to silence the EDP so it doesn't make that noise? > >David Kirkdorffer >UNDO > > > > _________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS kflint@atitech.com ATI Research 408-752-9284 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 18 16:27:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA06114; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:27:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:27:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990318141633.008fe11c@saluki-mail.siu.edu> X-Sender: fnord@saluki-mail.siu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:16:33 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Damon Baker Subject: Multitrack Minidisc for loops? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"jGEFS1.0.2c5.5zLys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi there folks, I was wondering if anyone had had any experience with any of those fancy four or 8 track minidisks for looping purposes? I've been considering getting one for recording and i was wondering if i could take advatange of all that cue list play back stuff that they vaugely describe in their adds? I used to do shows with a four track cassette (each track loaded up with a different 8 second drone loop) and my drum machine (which was playing 4 second long loops of clanking noises) it worked pretty well, i figure i could do the same and more with a MD four track (sync up my shiny new synths arpegiator to it's midi clock, sync an effect boxes delay up to it and drone one my autoharp or singing bowl, etc) and possibly even get it to just play off loops of the same sound over and over so i could fit more on a disk. any experience with this? particularly using a yamaha MD4? (a freind of mine has one that he would cut me a deal on since he wants to upgrade to the md8). thanks. damon baker fnord@siu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 18 16:44:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA10460; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:44:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:44:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903182050.PAA03651@klein.nis.newscorp.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Is this a total pipe dream? From: MT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:50:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.0.6 Resent-Message-ID: <"RY57F2.0.NW7.pSMys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm looking for a used echoplex in NYC. Is there any chance of finding such a thing, or should I just save my money and Saturday afternoons and save up for a new one? MT From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 18 17:19:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA16872; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:19:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:19:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903182127.SAA19180@postman.bahianet.com.br> Reply-To: From: "Julio Moreno" To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: Ebay and geeks... Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:09:31 -0300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TQiwp1.0.ig1.11Nys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We can mount a ring with a Van Damme sponsor: "Loopers-Delight Mortal Kombat" with Kim as the judge and a video-loop sync going on big screens and some stripers between the rounds and and and and and and and and and and and ... Julio. Be carefull, your enemy has long hair now. ---------- > From: Mike Biffle > To: John + Diane Parada > Cc: loopers-delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re[2]: Ebay and geeks... > Date: Quarta-feira, 17 de Março de 1999 20:23 > > Hi John, this is my last reply on this and I'm posting to the group as > well... > > I didn't call YOU a geek. I called everyone on the list geeks... with > smileys, obvious ridiculous statements, and in response to Chuck > Zwickey's oblique and humorous post... you weren't even mentioned in > my post... > > Others got it and enjoyed it. Maybe some other's took offense. I think > you're taking this too a little too seriously. But I apologize to you > and everyone else on the list who I might have offended... > > As for my profile... I pointed you that way, so you might know 1. my > age. 2. my influences and 3. my own uses of technology. > > You're the one to get personal with your comments online, although one > was correct: I AM a wicked good Van Halen impersonator... 8-> (looks > only, my guitar playing is bloated and flatulent...) > > Best regards, > -Miko Biffle > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: ebay]] > Author: John + Diane Parada at INTERNET > Date: 3/17/99 3:49 PM > > > mike your humour came off as mean and nasty. You're right I didn't read > your profile what's it going to tell me what a scary great gtr wizard > you are? I still don't get your joke. What's the point? Where is the fun > in calling me a geek. You don't know me nor what I do. Why not keep your > humour to yourself- cause believe it or not you are not funny...jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 18 19:32:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA22762; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:32:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:32:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE7155.F94107A0.stevehan@transworld-lax.com> From: Steve Han Reply-To: "stevehan@transworld-lax.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Alesis M-1 Monitors Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:41:10 -0800 Organization: Transworld Freight Systems X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3ut1l3.0.g_.g0Pys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Jeff, Have you considered other brands such as "KRK Monitors" ? As most excellent speakers are from California, KRK is based in Huntington Beach, Ca. Check out their website: http://www.quikpage.com/K/krk/ I've just recently purchased KRK Rockit monitors which have this new "inverted cone" speaker design and although only left and right, it sounds and feels like if there is a subwoofer beneath the consol. They are "shielded" unlike some of the Alesis speakers and the cabinets are much more durable and solid. A pair of KRK Rockit costs $289.00 at Guitar Center. KRK makes affordable "powered" monitors too. I own a pair of Alesis Monitor II and they are fine but you should really check out KRK before making your final decision. Curbie -----Original Message----- From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod [SMTP:subversive@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 8:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Alesis M-1 Monitors Hi, all... I'm in the process of setting up a recording workstation (away from my stereo & rehearsal room, for once...). I'm looking for the best price on the new Alesis M-1 powered monitors. If anyone can recommend a dealer with a price better than Musician's Friend, Music Emporium and Mars Music (all of whom have them for $499 for the pair), please drop me a line. I would appreciate any input you all could offer as to what you've seen. Thanks, Jeff McLeod __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 18 20:45:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA05094; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:45:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:45:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:18:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: OT: adding cheap(est) continuous controller Resent-Message-ID: <"BSQNR.0.Nz7.hNQys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey all- I already have a program change device (Digitech Control 7) and am looking to add 1 or 2 continous controllers. Can anyone recommend a device to allow me to do this without buy a whole new program change device w/ controller? I'm pretty new to this stuff, but I am guessing I would possibly need a midi merge with an input for the program change and a couple of controller inputs? Thanks in advance. Sorry for the off-topic post, but it seemed silly to subscribe to some midi list just to find out the answer to this question. MT PS: Is anyone playing out with an echoplex (or 2) in NYC anytime soon? I'd like the chance to come check out the sound and what people are doing with it. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 18 22:58:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA25453; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:58:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:58:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000101be71bb$db64ec40$fc1bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: Volume Pedals Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:52:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"kS1x_2.0.D46.OfSys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am about to get myself a volume pedal (finally), and i would like to know what kind (if any) do you use. Also, what does everyone think of the pedal that Torn is using now? The Visual Sound volume. It seem good to me. I'd just like a little feedback. BTW, if any of you know of good used ones ( like the Roland ones) please let me know. Thanks, Jeff Collins http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 19 07:33:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA18909; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:33:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:33:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008a01be7203$154d2c00$5180f7a5@default> From: "Doyle D. Alley" To: Subject: WTB: Jamman Memory Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:21:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01BE71D9.2BADB980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Sh5gr.0.PK4.a6ays"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01BE71D9.2BADB980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking to upgrade on the cheap. $180. to Lexicon seems a bit=20 excessive. 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------=_NextPart_000_0087_01BE71D9.2BADB980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 19 07:54:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA21188; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:54:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:54:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <021001be7205$f59d9220$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" , Subject: Fw: Volume Pedals Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:42:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"QgOF01.0.It4.KNays"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Jeff, I've used the same Ernie Ball volume pedal at every practice and gig for the past 15 years without any problems. The pot has never even gotten scratchy. I used to use a big, chrome Morley volume pedal. But in the toe up position a slight amount of the signal always leaked through. Maybe they've improved them since the late '70s and early '80s. Mark Kata -----Original Message----- From: Collins To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 11:06 PM Subject: Volume Pedals >I am about to get myself a volume pedal (finally), and i would like to know >what kind (if any) do you use. >Also, what does everyone think of the pedal that Torn is using now? The >Visual Sound volume. It seem good to me. I'd just like a little feedback. > >BTW, if any of you know of good used ones ( like the Roland ones) please let >me know. > >Thanks, > >Jeff Collins >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 19 09:50:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA10187; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:50:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:50:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903191420.JAA29995@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:13:37 -0500 Subject: Re:volume pedals From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5EDqr.0.C21.rjbys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm using 'bespeco" pedals, they are an italian company - they're cheap (~$25), light (especially if you remove the metal plate underneath - as I did this when I mounted 3 together on a board) quiet & smooth. The come in a variety of mono & stereo versions, and low impedance versions. They work fine as a feedback pedal for the EDP as well. jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 19 10:05:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA12763; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:05:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:05:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990319144748.24454.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [199.201.236.34] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jamman for sale Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:47:47 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"SEirV.0.2R2.GFcys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A friend of mine is looking to unload his Jamman so he can go to Bali. It's just a basic unit with no expansions and he's asking $500, please reply to me directly. Dan Bartell speck45@hotmail.com Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 19 10:36:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA18244; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:36:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:36:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:29:43 -0500 (EST) From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199903191429.JAA09850@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"N7xaI3.0.Vr1.1-bys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #106 March 18, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the sixth annual Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival featuring the music of the artists who will be performing. The festival will be on April 10 in Huizen, the Netherlands at the Theatre 3-in-1. Alfa-Centauri: http://home.wxs.nl/~quantumproductions EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html The feature CD at midnight was "The Introspective Spaces" by Stratosphere. It is a limited edtion 3 inch CD on the Amplexus label. Upcoming events announced: Star's End Gathering XVII with Richard Pinhas at St. Mary's Church in Philadelphia on March 19 and Star's End Gathering XVIII with Spacecraft on April 24. EMUSIC Events : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Ian Boddy Standing at the Edge The Deep (Something Else) Ian Boddy Dark Descent The Deep (Something Else) Ian Boddy The Deep The Deep (Something Else) Dan Schulte Circuit Board Sasquatch Nominal Gain (none) Arttek Onoka Oar the Tears (none) VA [Tranquility] Electrographic Syntonic Waves Vol 7 (Spheric) Steve Roach Aftermath Truth and Beauty (Timeroom) The Spirit Level Flow Of Earth and Sky (Neurodisc) Al Gromer Khan Utopia al-Kahira Space Hotel (New Earth) Laocoon Transcendence Immersion (Parnassus Nump) 12:00 am Stratosphere Swirl Introspective Spaces (Amplexus) Stratosphere Moving Pictures Introspective Spaces (Amplexus) Stratosphere The Opening Space Introspective Spaces (Amplexus) Stratosphere Lost Introspective Spaces (Amplexus) TUU & Nick Parkin Water Memory Terma (Fathom) VA [Vidna Obmana] The Space In-between The Ambient Expanse (Mirage) Telomere Departure Astral Currents (Evenfall) Michael Stearns In the Beginning PlanetaryUnfolding(Sonic Atmosphers) Cassiel Dragon's Domain Listen/Move (Atomic City) Cassiel The Cathcart Circle Pt1 Listen/Move (Atomic City) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will conclude the month-long focus on the artists who will be performing at the sixth Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival in Huizen, the Netherlands. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be dependant upon the mail. If the mail is quick, then we will hear something from an artist not yet represented during this month's focus. If the mail is slow, I will select a CD from one of the artists alrady featured. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 19 11:19:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA25253; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:19:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:19:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:22:07 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, evening@ulster.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re:volume pedals Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"wmyUK3.0.2s3.Wlcys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/19/99 2:49:41 PM, jmw wrote: <> So, where do you get these...and do you notice that they let any signal thru when fully backed off? Thanks dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 19 13:13:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA13000; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:13:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:13:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36F232FA.707340DF@texas.net> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:20:29 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: My Apologies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VN6la2.0.xh.ITeys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi loopers - i sent out an email w/attachments today & the l.d. list was on the address list. sorry. i won't do it again. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 19 13:26:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA15289; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:26:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:26:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36F23175.FB15E1B7@texas.net> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:13:59 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. 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Message-ID: <36F29C5F.6922110@stic.net> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:50:07 -0600 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Akai Headrush anyone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Oe8qN.0.Fd6.y2iys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David C. Kwan wrote: > Has anyone tried the Akai's simulated four-head tape delay pedal, aka > Headrush? I haven't heard a peep about it since NAMM, but the feature set > looks promising. Also, Musician's Friend currently has this unit going for > $199. Any reviews? > > ~David K I have mine on back order through "Musician's Friend". I called yesterday and they still haven't arrived. "Patience is a Virtue". Cheers, Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 20 05:40:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA21723; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 05:40:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 05:40:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36F376E9.5DB8@club-internet.fr> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:22:33 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Maybe the death of backing up loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-BXAH3.0.Ev4.cRtys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Saving loops on hard disk or whatever sounds less interesting to me than it could have been several years ago. Before designing my DJRND2, I designed a prototype with a SCSI hard disk. Its first capacity was 350Mbytes. The disk was full up in the next couple of years. Then I bought another disk with a capacity of 3Giga bytes. And Now ... nothing else : it stays in my cupboard. I have recorded so many loops that when I play some of them twice a year, its sounds just like a souvenir, photos of my last holidays. Now, performance for me is rather in the ease of recording perfect loops on live than saving them and try to do something more afterwards. I have more pleasure to play with my DJ looper to cycle live phrases and improvise their mixing while recording the result on MD, than backing up the same loops I can immediately, perfectly and easily cycle again afterwards. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 20 11:06:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA16726; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:06:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:06:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199903152044.PAA16076@emh1.pa.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:24:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: ReCycle users? Resent-Message-ID: <"-6LcC.0.T73.crxys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Perhaps my first "on topic" query in a while. There's been a lot of talk about Acid here, but being a Mac--and now VST--user, I was wondering if anyone has used Steinberg's ReCycle for deriving loops? I've heard that it was originally designed to make and send loops to samplers but now can deal with VST alone, without an external sampler. I want to find grooves in batches of noise I make and save as AIFFs--by description, ReCycle sounds like it does the job... anyone? Thanks, David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 20 13:03:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA29264; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:03:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:03:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:29:08 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: volume pedals Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: <"Owbvv.0.6O6.fizys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 19/03/99 16:05:06 GMT Standard Time, Dpcoffin@aol.com writes: > <> > So, where do you get these...and do you notice that they let any signal thru > when fully backed off? > Thanks > dpc Andy Butler chips in......... Very common in UK music shops (made in Italy) I have an expression ped which works OK I also have a Bespeco 'cruncher' vol + distortion unit Without the dist there's no signal when backed off. but with dist you can't get silence. I got serious pot scratch after not much use. The feel of the pedal isn't that good. So can't really recommend. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 20 15:29:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA13576; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:29:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:29:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:44:03 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? Resent-Message-ID: <"12ogd2.0.R72.Vg_ys"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fellow loopers, I am currently working with a pedal-builder to come up with A/B and A/B/C boxes, to switch the Echoplex DP footpedal between multiple echoplexi. Here is the problem I have with the A/B boxes currently available: 1. DOD-style boxes work adequately (if you lift the ground to the positve lead of the unselected output), but do not have LED's to show you which output is selected. This is a pain when I forget which unit is selected -- I usually hit the MUTE button to determine this, but this is not very condusive to performance situations. 2. Morley-style boxes (w/ LED's) do not work. At least this has been my experience. (Has anyone else been able to use these?) My (limited) understanding about this is that in order to use LED's in the circuit, you must ground out the postive lead of the unselected output. Since this is equivalent to hitting the RECORD button, This will screw up any loops that are going on in that 'plex. One solution that has been suggested is to use the switches that have a mechanical indicator (red button) rather than an LED. This is certainly a feasible, low cost solution, as these switches are apparently ~$25. Another solution is to use relays, instead of just switches. This is a more expensive solution, and requires power, but has the advantage of having easy-to-see (esp. in the dark) LED's. Personally, I would like to use different color LED's so make it really easy to determine which unit is selected. The design for the A/B pedal is complete, and the purchase price is ~$85. Is anyone out there interested in such a pedal? The design for an A/B/C pedal is currently in the works. This pedal will use a "latching" circuit. In this setup, there will be 3 switches, one for each output. By hitting one switch, you will select that output, and automatically deselect the others, thereby allowing "one button switching" between three outputs. For those of you using three (or more) echoplexi, you are probably aware of the "less-than-ideal" setup of using two A/B boxes to select between three units. Often, two button presses are necessary to switch, and there still exists the confusion of which unit is actually selected (since the LED pedals don't work). This latching pedal will allow direct access to each unit, and have LED's to show which unit is selected. I do not yet know what such a pedal will cost, but I imagine it will be in the $100 - $150 range. This is expensive for just a switching pedal, but it would be worth it to me. Is there anybody else out there that might be interested in such a pedal. Also, I have not explored this possibility, but I imagine it would be possible to create A/B/C/D, A/B/C/D/E, (etc.) pedals with the same type of latching circuit, to provide one-button switching. I don't imagine there are too many people using that many exhoplexi, but it is easy to see that the more units you are using, the more useful such a switching pedal would be. Using 4 A/B boxes to contol 5 echoplexi seems impractical to me, esp. for live situations. If anyone is interested in something like this, please let me know, as I can probably get them for better prices if I order a bunch. - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 20 16:30:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA21225; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:30:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:30:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BE731D.37DF27D0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" , "'Leander Reininghaus'" , "'Markus Reuter'" , "'Matthias Becker'" , "'Axel Rudolph'" , "'Powerspot'" To: "'Walter'" Subject: Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:36:01 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ko8UN.0.eI4.-n0zs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 'Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones' Lovers of crazy and experimental music, be sure to check out this CD sampler by Bart Hopkin, released on ellipsis arts ... it contains a book and CD about experimental musical instruments with 19 example tracks and documentation, text and photos. The selections contain obvious candidates such as Harry Partch or Clara Rockmore (Theremin virtuoso), but also lots of people I hadn't known. Music from treated electronics, unusual synthesizers, car horn organs, glassharps, flowerpot marimbas, and lots more. Not only are the instruments beautifully designed - they are being played masterfully, by truly gifted musicians. I found the CD extremely inspiring and I really had an hour of fun listening. It also made me feel like more. Thank God there is more! Bart Hopkin (editor of the 'experimental musical instruments' magazine and website) has done another one. It is called 'Orbitones, Spoon Harps & Bellowphones' and features a wide range of musicians from John Cage to Aphex Twin. Looks really promising. I'll save it for next weekend. * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 20 17:37:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA28373; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:37:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:37:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:19:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990320155936.00929a90@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:59:36 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NTDhH.0.hU6.Ay1zs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Another solution would be to drill an existing EDP controller to accomodate another row of switches. The circuit is very simple, and since the major expense is the metalwork and silkscreening, I would venture to guess that the cost would total around $30. Alternately, the addition of an additional ouput jack (or jacks) on the existing pedal, switched by a footswitch on the controller (possibly a seperate switch for each output) would also work. LEDs could be incorporated at will. -Chuck Zwicky At 11:44 AM 3/20/99 -0800, you wrote: >Fellow loopers, > >I am currently working with a pedal-builder to come up with A/B and A/B/C >boxes, to switch the Echoplex DP footpedal between multiple echoplexi. >Here is the problem I have with the A/B boxes currently available: > >1. DOD-style boxes work adequately (if you lift the ground to the positve >lead of the unselected output), but do not have LED's to show you which >output is selected. This is a pain when I forget which unit is selected -- >I usually hit the MUTE button to determine this, but this is not very >condusive to performance situations. > >2. Morley-style boxes (w/ LED's) do not work. At least this has been my >experience. (Has anyone else been able to use these?) My (limited) >understanding about this is that in order to use LED's in the circuit, you >must ground out the postive lead of the unselected output. Since this is >equivalent to hitting the RECORD button, This will screw up any loops that >are going on in that 'plex. > >One solution that has been suggested is to use the switches that have a >mechanical indicator (red button) rather than an LED. This is certainly a >feasible, low cost solution, as these switches are apparently ~$25. > >Another solution is to use relays, instead of just switches. This is a >more expensive solution, and requires power, but has the advantage of >having easy-to-see (esp. in the dark) LED's. Personally, I would like to >use different color LED's so make it really easy to determine which unit is >selected. > >The design for the A/B pedal is complete, and the purchase price is ~$85. >Is anyone out there interested in such a pedal? > >The design for an A/B/C pedal is currently in the works. This pedal will >use a "latching" circuit. In this setup, there will be 3 switches, one for >each output. By hitting one switch, you will select that output, and >automatically deselect the others, thereby allowing "one button switching" >between three outputs. For those of you using three (or more) echoplexi, >you are probably aware of the "less-than-ideal" setup of using two A/B >boxes to select between three units. Often, two button presses are >necessary to switch, and there still exists the confusion of which unit is >actually selected (since the LED pedals don't work). This latching pedal >will allow direct access to each unit, and have LED's to show which unit is >selected. > >I do not yet know what such a pedal will cost, but I imagine it will be in >the $100 - $150 range. This is expensive for just a switching pedal, but >it would be worth it to me. Is there anybody else out there that might be >interested in such a pedal. > >Also, I have not explored this possibility, but I imagine it would be >possible to create A/B/C/D, A/B/C/D/E, (etc.) pedals with the same type of >latching circuit, to provide one-button switching. I don't imagine there >are too many people using that many exhoplexi, but it is easy to see that >the more units you are using, the more useful such a switching pedal would >be. Using 4 A/B boxes to contol 5 echoplexi seems impractical to me, esp. >for live situations. > >If anyone is interested in something like this, please let me know, as I >can probably get them for better prices if I order a bunch. > >- Chris > > > > ........................................................................... But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on computers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 20 18:25:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA00766; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:25:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:25:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:04:10 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? Resent-Message-ID: <"_lkpN.0.db7.Cc2zs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I haven't tried that one. Does it have LED's? My experience is that the boxes w/ LED's won't work w/ the Echoplexi. Has anyone successfully used a switcher w/ LED's? Having LED's and one-button switching (for A/B/C) is my motivation for having a new one made. - Chris >have you tried Whirlwind A/B box? >as of A/B/C i use [for different purposes than yours] 2 A/B >A goes out to A >B/B is your B >B/A is C >sandro >---------- >>From: Chris Chovit >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? >>Date: Sat, Mar 20, 1999, 2:44 PM >> > >> Fellow loopers, >> >> I am currently working with a pedal-builder to come up with A/B and A/B/C >> boxes, to switch the Echoplex DP footpedal between multiple echoplexi. >> Here is the problem I have with the A/B boxes currently available: >> >> 1. DOD-style boxes work adequately (if you lift the ground to the positve >> lead of the unselected output), but do not have LED's to show you which >> output is selected. This is a pain when I forget which unit is selected -- >> I usually hit the MUTE button to determine this, but this is not very >> condusive to performance situations. >> >> 2. Morley-style boxes (w/ LED's) do not work. At least this has been my >> experience. (Has anyone else been able to use these?) My (limited) >> understanding about this is that in order to use LED's in the circuit, you >> must ground out the postive lead of the unselected output. Since this is >> equivalent to hitting the RECORD button, This will screw up any loops that >> are going on in that 'plex. >> >> One solution that has been suggested is to use the switches that have a >> mechanical indicator (red button) rather than an LED. This is certainly a >> feasible, low cost solution, as these switches are apparently ~$25. >> >> Another solution is to use relays, instead of just switches. This is a >> more expensive solution, and requires power, but has the advantage of >> having easy-to-see (esp. in the dark) LED's. Personally, I would like to >> use different color LED's so make it really easy to determine which unit is >> selected. >> >> The design for the A/B pedal is complete, and the purchase price is ~$85. >> Is anyone out there interested in such a pedal? >> >> The design for an A/B/C pedal is currently in the works. This pedal will >> use a "latching" circuit. In this setup, there will be 3 switches, one for >> each output. By hitting one switch, you will select that output, and >> automatically deselect the others, thereby allowing "one button switching" >> between three outputs. For those of you using three (or more) echoplexi, >> you are probably aware of the "less-than-ideal" setup of using two A/B >> boxes to select between three units. Often, two button presses are >> necessary to switch, and there still exists the confusion of which unit is >> actually selected (since the LED pedals don't work). This latching pedal >> will allow direct access to each unit, and have LED's to show which unit is >> selected. >> >> I do not yet know what such a pedal will cost, but I imagine it will be in >> the $100 - $150 range. This is expensive for just a switching pedal, but >> it would be worth it to me. Is there anybody else out there that might be >> interested in such a pedal. >> >> Also, I have not explored this possibility, but I imagine it would be >> possible to create A/B/C/D, A/B/C/D/E, (etc.) pedals with the same type of >> latching circuit, to provide one-button switching. I don't imagine there >> are too many people using that many exhoplexi, but it is easy to see that >> the more units you are using, the more useful such a switching pedal would >> be. Using 4 A/B boxes to contol 5 echoplexi seems impractical to me, esp. >> for live situations. >> >> If anyone is interested in something like this, please let me know, as I >> can probably get them for better prices if I order a bunch. >> >> - Chris >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 20 19:00:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA04435; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:00:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:00:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Stevaum@aol.com Message-ID: <148f5142.36f42dbf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:22:39 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Video Loop Webpage! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 53 Resent-Message-ID: <"plPKp1.0.v8.0u2zs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Attention All Delightful Loopers: I have installed a page on my website dedicated to Video Loops! included are: - stills from various videos (taken with polaroid film) - a diagram of the 'basic' video loop system I used - a brief description of the video looping process The direct URL to this web page is: http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/siysvideoart.html For those of you with systems which support direct links: siys video art I'll gladly entertain all comments & questions! Stevo Wolfson - Electronic Media Artist sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO (visual) Pupaum (audio) http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html (computer art) stevaum@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 20 19:02:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA04803; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:02:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:02:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36F43346.F1772066@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:46:21 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones References: <01BE731D.37DF27D0.mpeters@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gLRFW3.0.yd.dA3zs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael Peters wrote: > 'Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones' > > Lovers of crazy and experimental music, be sure to check out this CD > sampler by Bart Hopkin, released on ellipsis arts ... > > it contains a book and CD about experimental musical instruments with 19 > example tracks and documentation, text and photos. The selections contain > obvious candidates such as Harry Partch or Clara Rockmore (Theremin > virtuoso), but also lots of people I hadn't known. Music from treated > electronics, unusual synthesizers, car horn organs, glassharps, flowerpot > marimbas, and lots more. Not only are the instruments beautifully designed > - they are being played masterfully, by truly gifted musicians. I found the > CD extremely inspiring and I really had an hour of fun listening. It also > made me feel like more. > > Thank God there is more! Bart Hopkin (editor of the 'experimental musical > instruments' magazine and website) has done another one. It is called > 'Orbitones, Spoon Harps & Bellowphones' and features a wide range of > musicians from John Cage to Aphex Twin. Looks really promising. I'll save > it for next weekend. > > * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com > * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music > * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors > * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters this is one of my favorite cd's; also the cool intro (to the book) by tom waits... glad someone out there is into it as well. looking forward to "orbitones, et al..." cheers lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 20 19:24:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA07311; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:24:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:24:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701be732e$5099d020$091bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:03:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"OlNZe2.0.OI1.bV3zs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh hell I've had that book for over a year, i found d out about it from my colleague Dan Stearns who was telling me of the part with Hans Reichel in it. I'd recommend it to anyone looking to extend instruments. Jeff Collins -----Original Message----- From: lance glover To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 7:00 PM Subject: Re: Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones > > >Michael Peters wrote: > >> 'Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones' >> >> Lovers of crazy and experimental music, be sure to check out this CD >> sampler by Bart Hopkin, released on ellipsis arts ... >> >> it contains a book and CD about experimental musical instruments with 19 >> example tracks and documentation, text and photos. The selections contain >> obvious candidates such as Harry Partch or Clara Rockmore (Theremin >> virtuoso), but also lots of people I hadn't known. Music from treated >> electronics, unusual synthesizers, car horn organs, glassharps, flowerpot >> marimbas, and lots more. Not only are the instruments beautifully designed >> - they are being played masterfully, by truly gifted musicians. I found the >> CD extremely inspiring and I really had an hour of fun listening. It also >> made me feel like more. >> >> Thank God there is more! Bart Hopkin (editor of the 'experimental musical >> instruments' magazine and website) has done another one. It is called >> 'Orbitones, Spoon Harps & Bellowphones' and features a wide range of >> musicians from John Cage to Aphex Twin. Looks really promising. I'll save >> it for next weekend. >> >> * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com >> * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music >> * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors >> * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters > >this is one of my favorite cd's; also the cool intro (to the book) by tom >waits... >glad someone out there is into it as well. > >looking forward to "orbitones, et al..." > >cheers > >lance g. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 20 20:11:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA13054; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:11:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:11:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990321004816.8354.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:48:16 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"IVziU.0.-b2.C74zs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Put a to Zero volume (visual?)pedal AND a feedback (visual) pedal on it and possibly a loop bypass (in the loop or outta the loop) and I'm in. ---Chris Chovit wrote: > > I haven't tried that one. Does it have LED's? My experience is that the > boxes w/ LED's won't work w/ the Echoplexi. Has anyone successfully used > a switcher w/ LED's? > > Having LED's and one-button switching (for A/B/C) is my motivation for > having a new one made. > > - Chris > > > > >have you tried Whirlwind A/B box? > >as of A/B/C i use [for different purposes than yours] 2 A/B > >A goes out to A > >B/B is your B > >B/A is C > >sandro > >---------- > >>From: Chris Chovit > >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >>Subject: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? > >>Date: Sat, Mar 20, 1999, 2:44 PM > >> > > > >> Fellow loopers, > >> > >> I am currently working with a pedal-builder to come up with A/B and A/B/C > >> boxes, to switch the Echoplex DP footpedal between multiple echoplexi. > >> Here is the problem I have with the A/B boxes currently available: > >> > >> 1. DOD-style boxes work adequately (if you lift the ground to the positve > >> lead of the unselected output), but do not have LED's to show you which > >> output is selected. This is a pain when I forget which unit is selected -- > >> I usually hit the MUTE button to determine this, but this is not very > >> condusive to performance situations. > >> > >> 2. Morley-style boxes (w/ LED's) do not work. At least this has been my > >> experience. (Has anyone else been able to use these?) My (limited) > >> understanding about this is that in order to use LED's in the circuit, you > >> must ground out the postive lead of the unselected output. Since this is > >> equivalent to hitting the RECORD button, This will screw up any loops that > >> are going on in that 'plex. > >> > >> One solution that has been suggested is to use the switches that have a > >> mechanical indicator (red button) rather than an LED. This is certainly a > >> feasible, low cost solution, as these switches are apparently ~$25. > >> > >> Another solution is to use relays, instead of just switches. This is a > >> more expensive solution, and requires power, but has the advantage of > >> having easy-to-see (esp. in the dark) LED's. Personally, I would like to > >> use different color LED's so make it really easy to determine which unit is > >> selected. > >> > >> The design for the A/B pedal is complete, and the purchase price is ~$85. > >> Is anyone out there interested in such a pedal? > >> > >> The design for an A/B/C pedal is currently in the works. This pedal will > >> use a "latching" circuit. In this setup, there will be 3 switches, one for > >> each output. By hitting one switch, you will select that output, and > >> automatically deselect the others, thereby allowing "one button switching" > >> between three outputs. For those of you using three (or more) echoplexi, > >> you are probably aware of the "less-than-ideal" setup of using two A/B > >> boxes to select between three units. Often, two button presses are > >> necessary to switch, and there still exists the confusion of which unit is > >> actually selected (since the LED pedals don't work). This latching pedal > >> will allow direct access to each unit, and have LED's to show which unit is > >> selected. > >> > >> I do not yet know what such a pedal will cost, but I imagine it will be in > >> the $100 - $150 range. This is expensive for just a switching pedal, but > >> it would be worth it to me. Is there anybody else out there that might be > >> interested in such a pedal. > >> > >> Also, I have not explored this possibility, but I imagine it would be > >> possible to create A/B/C/D, A/B/C/D/E, (etc.) pedals with the same type of > >> latching circuit, to provide one-button switching. I don't imagine there > >> are too many people using that many exhoplexi, but it is easy to see that > >> the more units you are using, the more useful such a switching pedal would > >> be. Using 4 A/B boxes to contol 5 echoplexi seems impractical to me, esp. > >> for live situations. > >> > >> If anyone is interested in something like this, please let me know, as I > >> can probably get them for better prices if I order a bunch. > >> > >> - Chris > >> > >> > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 21 00:12:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA13652; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:12:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:12:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36F479BD.291AC61D@home.com> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:47:05 -0800 From: Neil Goldstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ReCycle users? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kwre31.0.RV2.bd7zs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Myers wrote: > Perhaps my first "on topic" query in a while. There's been a lot of talk > about Acid here, but being a Mac--and now VST--user, I was wondering if > anyone has used Steinberg's ReCycle for deriving loops? I've heard that it > was originally designed to make and send loops to samplers but now can deal > with VST alone, without an external sampler. I want to find grooves in > batches of noise I make and save as AIFFs--by description, ReCycle sounds > like it does the job... anyone? > > Thanks, > David Myers Only problem is its mono only. Hopefully update soon. Probably 3rd quarter 1999. -- Neil Goldstein ngold@home.com Portland, Oregon USA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 21 02:54:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA16595; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:54:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:54:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36F4A037.C880A23C@sfsu.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:31:03 -0800 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones References: <01BE731D.37DF27D0.mpeters@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CNZWU2.0.Ij3.R5Azs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have "Orbitones..." and it's a great cd. It looks like there's more of a focus on found objects used as instruments. I'm a little turned off by the appearances of already well known artists. (like Stomp, Tom Waits, and Ahex Twin.) I like those musicians plenty, but I was eager to learn about more obscure artists. I'm really impressed by the inclusion of Bradford Reed, Peter Whitehead, Colin Offord, ZGA, and honky horn guy Leonard Soloman. There's some pretty amazing instruments on here too, like a "long-stringed instrument" with strings up to 100 feet long. There's also some "world music" influence in here. This CD is really worth it if you can find it at your store. matt Michael Peters wrote: > 'Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones' > > Lovers of crazy and experimental music, be sure to check out this CD > sampler by Bart Hopkin, released on ellipsis arts ... > > it contains a book and CD about experimental musical instruments with 19 > example tracks and documentation, text and photos. The selections contain > obvious candidates such as Harry Partch or Clara Rockmore (Theremin > virtuoso), but also lots of people I hadn't known. Music from treated > electronics, unusual synthesizers, car horn organs, glassharps, flowerpot > marimbas, and lots more. Not only are the instruments beautifully designed > - they are being played masterfully, by truly gifted musicians. I found the > CD extremely inspiring and I really had an hour of fun listening. It also > made me feel like more. > > Thank God there is more! Bart Hopkin (editor of the 'experimental musical > instruments' magazine and website) has done another one. It is called > 'Orbitones, Spoon Harps & Bellowphones' and features a wide range of > musicians from John Cage to Aphex Twin. Looks really promising. I'll save > it for next weekend. > > * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com > * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music > * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors > * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 21 11:10:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA02867; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:10:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:10:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36F51475.2784@pop.interport.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:47:36 -0500 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TH49L2.0.lz7.tJHzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com lance glover wrote: > > Michael Peters wrote: > > > 'Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones' > > > > Lovers of crazy and experimental music, be sure to check out this i didn't know anyone else was aware of this record. excellent cd for sounds.I have sampled and looped parts from that cd often. people always say "what's that?"..jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 21 11:57:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA10336; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:57:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:57:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990321163522.15348.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [12.74.73.91] From: "kameleyon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: fun loop site! Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:35:22 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"qSjO51.0.mv1.50Izs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fellow loopers, ya'll gotta check this out! http://www.hampsterdance.com/ ---//////-------///-----///------/////---///////--- Joshua D. Pickenpaugh Boulder, Colorado, U.S.A. Bassist, Composer, Teacher Digital "GIGPIX" : http://welcome.to/kameleyonmusic -///------///////-------------//----------///////-- Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 21 12:44:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA18150; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:44:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:44:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36F52701.F3CEE2F@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:06:09 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en-US,fr-BE,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sltlH.0.d13.QYIzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Chris What would happen if we want A _and_ B how would the plexes react if one EDP footswitch is connected to both of them in parallel.... it would probably require to rewire the EDP foot switch with doubled components (double throw momentary switches 2 resistors per switch two output jacks ...) this would give us A/B/AB control You could experiment with this one too and offer a rewiring kit My 2 swiss francs Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 21 13:57:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA04396; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:57:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:57:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000601be73c8$f2c80200$041cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: Expanded Instrument System Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:30:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"eaZEB.0.Rp7.ZjJzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know a few of you fellow loopers are into the music of Pauline Oliveros. Well I just yesterday found a great piece (or pieces) of gear that she and her group uses. It's called the "Expanded Instrument System", and get this... it uses four, i say FOUR Lexicon PCM-42's. Can you believe that. It's no wonder why one can't seem to find them anywhere. There is a diagram and all kinds of information on it and her music at: http://www.artswire.org/pof/EIShome.html Hope you enjoy your time there. I know I did. Sincerely, Jeff Collins A Strange View of Music http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 21 14:51:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12821; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:51:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:51:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990320210331.009ceca4@saluki-mail.siu.edu> X-Sender: fnord@saluki-mail.siu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:03:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Damon Baker Subject: Re: Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones In-Reply-To: <36F43346.F1772066@earthlink.net> References: <01BE731D.37DF27D0.mpeters@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bx-M03.0.Yl1.JLKzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com orbitones et al, is amazing as well, tom waits is actually featured as a musician on that one, he does a sort of music concrete piece made from various machine noises and such, very nice. and the other stuff on there is amazing too, though IMHO the aphex twin song featured is one of his less interesting ones (much prefer his droning skills to his skittery beats skills). the cd is great, the book is great, highly recommended. damon baker fnord@siu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 21 18:24:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA13689; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:24:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:24:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:51:13 -0500 (EST) From: slackjawed livingroom couch professor To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fun loop site! In-Reply-To: <19990321163522.15348.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"tc-Pm.0.ce1.vVNzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Agh! Help! I'd seen this somewhere before, but I forgot how... um... crazy it was. Anyhow, this is Farhad Ebrahimi, and I'm in Denver for Spring Break. Feel free to give me a call at 303.333.1009 - I'll be here through next Sunday. - Farhad On Sun, 21 Mar 1999, kameleyon wrote: > Fellow loopers, ya'll gotta check this out! > http://www.hampsterdance.com/ > > ---//////-------///-----///------/////---///////--- > Joshua D. Pickenpaugh > Boulder, Colorado, U.S.A. > Bassist, Composer, Teacher > Digital "GIGPIX" : http://welcome.to/kameleyonmusic > -///------///////-------------//----------///////-- > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 21 19:21:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA23261; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:21:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:21:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:48:16 -0500 (EST) From: slackjawed livingroom couch professor To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fun loop site! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"MNVvU1.0.QS4.SLOzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Whoa! This was supposed to be to just Josh... Damn Hampsters. - Farhad On Sun, 21 Mar 1999, slackjawed livingroom couch professor wrote: > Agh! Help! I'd seen this somewhere before, but I forgot how... um... > crazy it was. > > Anyhow, this is Farhad Ebrahimi, and I'm in Denver for Spring Break. Feel > free to give me a call at 303.333.1009 - I'll be here through next Sunday. > > - Farhad > > On Sun, 21 Mar 1999, kameleyon wrote: > > > Fellow loopers, ya'll gotta check this out! > > http://www.hampsterdance.com/ > > > > ---//////-------///-----///------/////---///////--- > > Joshua D. Pickenpaugh > > Boulder, Colorado, U.S.A. > > Bassist, Composer, Teacher > > Digital "GIGPIX" : http://welcome.to/kameleyonmusic > > -///------///////-------------//----------///////-- > > > > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 00:56:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA24569; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:56:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:56:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:43:12 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Live Webcast Monday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"AELx4.0.FB4.TSTzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everybody-a somewhat late annoucement  -please tune in :Monday, March 22, 9 pm
L I V E M U S I C W E B C A S T
at http://www.konstant.com


Keenan Lawler's Science Project

The show will utilize live sampling and looping, incorporating the
simplest acoustic elements to storms of electronic noise.
Both live improvisation and composed music will be performed.

The show takes place at Artswatch, Frankfort Ave, Louisville, KY,
as part of the Macrotonal Music Monday series.

Webcast provided by <A HREF="http://www.shadowcast.com">shadowcast</A>



Thanks Keenan
From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 02:21:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA10589; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 02:21:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 02:21:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36F5E95D.59A82054@spyral.net> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 01:55:25 -0500 From: fretless6 <144music@spyral.net> Organization: 144 Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Gig on Tuesday 3/23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SLUIDL: BC31BED0-DFD811D2-B09200A0-249C8F8C Resent-Message-ID: <"ZWPzH2.0.Lz1.mdUzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This coming Tuesday March 23rd and next Tuesday March 30th at Baby Jupiter in NYC at 170 Orchard St. corner of Stanton, 9:30 PM "Garden of Eden" This band includes: Num Amun-tehu-percussion Lance Carter-drums David C Gross-6 string fretless bass/electronics/loops Jef Lee Johnson-guitar Toby Kasavan-keys Rob Reddy-reeds Josh Roseman-trombone "get that funk outta my face" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 04:15:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA19678; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:15:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:15:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990322201017.008096f0@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: studio#mail.toysatellite.com.au@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:10:17 +1100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Toy Satellite Subject: RE: Any Video Loopers? In-Reply-To: <99Mar12.205229est.19620@Donmills.corporate.southam.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"r5NAn1.0.hh4.VZWzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi loopers, we (lost_time_accident) have been working with some aspect of video looping that basically takes it's cue from sound-on-sound techniques. probably more like over-dubbing loops which we do in tandem with improvised sound-scapes. i teamed up with a 3D and special effects artist (john power) about 8 months ago. we started working on collaborative improvised pieces some of which we will release on video later in the year. it's been quite a learning experience for both of us. we've developed some skills not unlike jazz impro, yet we're about as far from jazz as one can get. actually, we played last fri evening and someone described our set as jazz trance. another techno genre perhaps? anyway, we're enjoying to collaboration which seems to be opening up new ideas for both our efforts in terms of real-team sound and image processing. you'll find some of our material here (more video work will be available when we get the time to digitise between every thing else one does in the late 90s): http://www.toysatellite.com.au/secession or http://www.toysatellite.com.au/lta this has been an excellent thread, if only to find other people interested in developing similar skills and techniques. ciao4now, andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 10:02:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA12257; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:02:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:02:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Chris Chovit'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:34:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"nH1EZ2.0.Q52.vMbzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Great idea - however, I can foresee wanting to send a signal to multiple edp's at once. For example, running a single note through 3 different processors each resulting in a different effect, all being captured at one time into 3 different edp's. Maybe that would need an A+B, A+C, B+C, A+B+C Would this be possible too? David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Chris Chovit [mailto:cho@newdream.net] Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? Fellow loopers, I am currently working with a pedal-builder to come up with A/B and A/B/C boxes, to switch the Echoplex DP footpedal between multiple echoplexi. Here is the problem I have with the A/B boxes currently available: 1. DOD-style boxes work adequately (if you lift the ground to the positve lead of the unselected output), but do not have LED's to show you which output is selected. This is a pain when I forget which unit is selected -- I usually hit the MUTE button to determine this, but this is not very condusive to performance situations. 2. Morley-style boxes (w/ LED's) do not work. At least this has been my experience. (Has anyone else been able to use these?) My (limited) understanding about this is that in order to use LED's in the circuit, you must ground out the postive lead of the unselected output. Since this is equivalent to hitting the RECORD button, This will screw up any loops that are going on in that 'plex. One solution that has been suggested is to use the switches that have a mechanical indicator (red button) rather than an LED. This is certainly a feasible, low cost solution, as these switches are apparently ~$25. Another solution is to use relays, instead of just switches. This is a more expensive solution, and requires power, but has the advantage of having easy-to-see (esp. in the dark) LED's. Personally, I would like to use different color LED's so make it really easy to determine which unit is selected. The design for the A/B pedal is complete, and the purchase price is ~$85. Is anyone out there interested in such a pedal? The design for an A/B/C pedal is currently in the works. This pedal will use a "latching" circuit. In this setup, there will be 3 switches, one for each output. By hitting one switch, you will select that output, and automatically deselect the others, thereby allowing "one button switching" between three outputs. For those of you using three (or more) echoplexi, you are probably aware of the "less-than-ideal" setup of using two A/B boxes to select between three units. Often, two button presses are necessary to switch, and there still exists the confusion of which unit is actually selected (since the LED pedals don't work). This latching pedal will allow direct access to each unit, and have LED's to show which unit is selected. I do not yet know what such a pedal will cost, but I imagine it will be in the $100 - $150 range. This is expensive for just a switching pedal, but it would be worth it to me. Is there anybody else out there that might be interested in such a pedal. Also, I have not explored this possibility, but I imagine it would be possible to create A/B/C/D, A/B/C/D/E, (etc.) pedals with the same type of latching circuit, to provide one-button switching. I don't imagine there are too many people using that many exhoplexi, but it is easy to see that the more units you are using, the more useful such a switching pedal would be. Using 4 A/B boxes to contol 5 echoplexi seems impractical to me, esp. for live situations. If anyone is interested in something like this, please let me know, as I can probably get them for better prices if I order a bunch. - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 11:46:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA29324; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:46:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:46:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <017001be747e$aacfd0c0$5196adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:11:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Jws-H.0.3D5.naczs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sheesh . . . thought you Loopers were all just into black boxes and sheeet . . . . ;) heartening to see these little gems mentioned . . . FYEnlightenmet, check out Hopkins' excellent "Experimental Musical Instruments" magazine (sadly this is the last year of publication) and his two books on instrumnet building--they are a gold mine of ideas for acoustic instruments . . . ya know . . . pickups, transducers, micing, that kind of thing (sorry) drone on Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net PS and while you're at it check out Michael Peters HOP generator available on his web site--that and BOMB are the two pieces of eye candy in rotation on my laptop > >Michael Peters wrote: > >> 'Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones' >> >> Lovers of crazy and experimental music, be sure to check out this CD >> sampler by Bart Hopkin, released on ellipsis arts ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 11:47:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA29404; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:47:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:47:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:24:20 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36F52701.F3CEE2F@vtx.ch> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? Resent-Message-ID: <"2ycaX3.0.lD6.Ixczs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You can use mutiple footpedals to control one EDP, but uou can't use one footpedal to control more than one EDP at a time. (Unless you use the DPDT switches, as Claude suggested, to keep the circuits separate.) For two units, you can always run them in stereo mode, and control them with one footpedal. - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 13:12:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA11213; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:12:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:12:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:30:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"r_l5W.0.Hy.-vdzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm currently controlling my EDP from a Digitech Control8 MIDI floor unit. You can certainly pick these up secondhand for 80pounds. Using this unit in CC mode I get visual feedback (ie little green lights) of which functions are active on the Echoplex and can switch the pedal between Volume/Feedback/Undo. My grand plan is that when I am rich enough to own a second echoplex I am drive the two from one floor unit either asynchronous on two MIDI channels or stereo by engaging the BrotherSync. Maybe this will be MIDIable in some future release of firmware. Jim Carter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 13:33:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA15052; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:33:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:33:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:17:42 -0800 From: "Urania Mylonas" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Panel Discussion on Fair Pay for Musicians X-Sender-Ip: 167.173.8.6 Organization: email.women.com (http://www.emailwomen.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pkGv72.0.XY.kjdzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Brecht Forum >122 West 27th Street, 10th Floor >between 6th and 7th Avenues >New York, NY 10010 >(212) 242-4201 >www.brechtforum.org > >For immediate release Contact: >Liz >Mestres 212-242-4201 > > > >Barbara Burch 718-398-2810 > >THE NOISE ACTION COALITION CO-SPONSORS PANEL DISCUSSION >ON ECONOMIC JUSTICE FOR MUSICIANS >AS PART OF NEUES KABARETT AT THE BRECHT FORUM > >The Brecht Forum and the Noise Action Coalition will sponsor a panel >entitled >"Pay to Play?" examining the issue of fair pay for musicians, >featuring >Stanley Aronowitz, Marc Ribot, Lianne Smith, Greg Tate and others. > >The event is Saturday, March 27th at 6 p.m. at 122 West 27th Street, >10th >Floor, between 6th and 7th Avenues in Manhattan. Admission is $6-10 >sliding >scale, no one turned away for lack of funds. For information call >212.242.4201. > >The Noise Action Coalition (NAC), an organizing project by and for >musicians >working the network of clubs and indie labels centered around >downtown >New >York City, is made up of Jazz, New Music, "Knitting Factory scene" >and >Indie >Rock musicians. The NAC has protested the No-Pay policy at Arlene >Grocery and >other No-Pay clubs. The NAC has also conducted informational >picketing >of the >CMJ Music Fest over the festival's non-payment of musicians. Last >year, the >NAC won the first collectively bargained agreement at a major U.S. >Jazz >festival, the Knitting Factory/Texaco (now Bell Atlantic) New York >Jazz >Festival, doubling minimum rates of pay for participating musicians. > >Behind these actions was the belief by NAC supporters that when money >is made, >musicians should be paid. And behind that belief is an assumption >that >musicians can and should organize collectively to win better >conditions. > >The panel will explore whether these beliefs and assumptions are >valid >and/or >realistic. Topics will include: whether musicians have a moral or >legal right >to collectively bargain; whether unions are possible or desirable in >a >downtown music scene dominated by freelancers; and if the >bureaucratic >structure and rules normally associated with unions can co-exist with >the >creative flexibility and spontaneity of this scene? > >The panel will discuss how the NAC's organizing does or does not fit >in >with >the Musicians' Union, and how the NAC relates to other >"nontraditional" >organizing efforts among part-time, freelance and "intellectual" >labor >now >underway. > >The Brecht Forum is an educational and cultural organization for >people >who >are working for fundamental social change. Neues Kabarett, a regular >avant- >garde music series, is one of several ongoing cultural events >organized >by the >Brecht Forum, including: monthly visual art exhibits, The Gashouse (a >monthly >music and poetry night), film and video series, focus groups for >artists, and >performances ranging from dance to experimental theater. > > > > > > > Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 13:36:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA15765; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:36:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:36:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <011101be748d$09f1e0d0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:54:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"PBqbL3.0.4D2.gMezs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Chris Chovit To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? >You can use mutiple footpedals to control one EDP, but uou can't use one >footpedal to control more than one EDP at a time. (Unless you use the DPDT >switches, as Claude suggested, to keep the circuits separate.) For two >units, you can always run them in stereo mode, and control them with one >footpedal. Some thoughts... (BTW: I use two EDPs. I use three footswitches in a daisy chain. Each footswitch can control either unit A or B, but not both simultaneously. I haven't needed this functionality except in one instance; I'd like to MUTE both loopers simultaneously at the end of a composition.) RE: controlling two EDPs with one footswitch - The EDP is simply using the resistors in the footswitch as one leg of a voltage divider. If you have a three position switch (i.e., A, B,A+B), I'd think the A+B position could switch a single resistor into the circuit such that both EDPs see the correct values of the other resistors. I haven't computed the value, but I think this should be possible. This set-up would not require DPDT switches. RE: controlling more than two EDPs - At some point, I want at least one more EDP, probably two more, so I've thought some about how to control them. For me, I think MIDI footpedals are the best solution. As the discussion over the A+B function shows, with multiple EDPs the player will probably want combined functions. This can get out-of-hand (pun intended) with the non-midi footswitches. When I look at controlling ALL the front panel functions via MIDI, I haven't been able to find a simple solution to the "long press." The MIDI pedals I've seen aren't adequate for this function. It seems that I need some kind of sequencer to send out MIDI messages to simulate a "long press." Am I mistaken? Has anybody else solved this problem? Kim! How about a simple software mod that upon receipt of a particular MIDI command would simulate a "long press"? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 14:16:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA25279; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:16:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:16:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: hideo@concentric.net Message-Id: Date: 22 Mar 1999 08:31:29 -0800 Subject: Re: Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"oaNr53.0.ey2._Zezs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sheesh . . . thought you Loopers were all just into black boxes and sheeet . . . . ;) heartening to see these little gems mentioned . . . FYEnlightenmet, check out Hopkins' excellent "Experimental Musical Instruments" magazine (sadly this is the last year of publication) and his two books on instrumnet building--they are a gold mine of ideas for acoustic instruments . . . ya know . . . pickups, transducers, micing, that kind of thing (sorry) drone on Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net PS and while you're at it check out Michael Peters HOP generator available on his web site--that and BOMB are the two pieces of eye candy in rotation on my laptop > >Michael Peters wrote: > >> 'Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones' >> >> Lovers of crazy and experimental music, be sure to check out this CD >> sampler by Bart Hopkin, released on ellipsis arts ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 14:26:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA27724; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:26:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:26:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: DKirkdorffer@exapps.com Message-Id: Date: 22 Mar 1999 08:51:20 -0800 Subject: RE: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? To: cho@newdream.net, loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"tDu-51.0.985.TAfzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Great idea - however, I can foresee wanting to send a signal to multiple edp's at once. For example, running a single note through 3 different processors each resulting in a different effect, all being captured at one time into 3 different edp's. Maybe that would need an A+B, A+C, B+C, A+B+C Would this be possible too? David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Chris Chovit [mailto:cho@newdream.net] Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? Fellow loopers, I am currently working with a pedal-builder to come up with A/B and A/B/C boxes, to switch the Echoplex DP footpedal between multiple echoplexi. Here is the problem I have with the A/B boxes currently available: 1. DOD-style boxes work adequately (if you lift the ground to the positve lead of the unselected output), but do not have LED's to show you which output is selected. This is a pain when I forget which unit is selected -- I usually hit the MUTE button to determine this, but this is not very condusive to performance situations. 2. Morley-style boxes (w/ LED's) do not work. At least this has been my experience. (Has anyone else been able to use these?) My (limited) understanding about this is that in order to use LED's in the circuit, you must ground out the postive lead of the unselected output. Since this is equivalent to hitting the RECORD button, This will screw up any loops that are going on in that 'plex. One solution that has been suggested is to use the switches that have a mechanical indicator (red button) rather than an LED. This is certainly a feasible, low cost solution, as these switches are apparently ~$25. Another solution is to use relays, instead of just switches. This is a more expensive solution, and requires power, but has the advantage of having easy-to-see (esp. in the dark) LED's. Personally, I would like to use different color LED's so make it really easy to determine which unit is selected. The design for the A/B pedal is complete, and the purchase price is ~$85. Is anyone out there interested in such a pedal? The design for an A/B/C pedal is currently in the works. This pedal will use a "latching" circuit. In this setup, there will be 3 switches, one for each output. By hitting one switch, you will select that output, and automatically deselect the others, thereby allowing "one button switching" between three outputs. For those of you using three (or more) echoplexi, you are probably aware of the "less-than-ideal" setup of using two A/B boxes to select between three units. Often, two button presses are necessary to switch, and there still exists the confusion of which unit is actually selected (since the LED pedals don't work). This latching pedal will allow direct access to each unit, and have LED's to show which unit is selected. I do not yet know what such a pedal will cost, but I imagine it will be in the $100 - $150 range. This is expensive for just a switching pedal, but it would be worth it to me. Is there anybody else out there that might be interested in such a pedal. Also, I have not explored this possibility, but I imagine it would be possible to create A/B/C/D, A/B/C/D/E, (etc.) pedals with the same type of latching circuit, to provide one-button switching. I don't imagine there are too many people using that many exhoplexi, but it is easy to see that the more units you are using, the more useful such a switching pedal would be. Using 4 A/B boxes to contol 5 echoplexi seems impractical to me, esp. for live situations. If anyone is interested in something like this, please let me know, as I can probably get them for better prices if I order a bunch. - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 14:26:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA27926; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:26:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:26:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <011101be748d$09f1e0d0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:57:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? Resent-Message-ID: <"MXM742.0.045.E9fzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >RE: controlling two EDPs with one footswitch - >The EDP is simply using the resistors in the footswitch as one leg of a >voltage divider. If you have a three position switch (i.e., A, B,A+B), I'd >think the A+B position could switch a single resistor into the circuit such >that both EDPs see the correct values of the other resistors. I haven't >computed the value, but I think this should be possible. This set-up would >not require DPDT switches. This is an interesting idea. You could have two sets of switches: One to control ALL the units and one to switch between individual units. This would be ideal. I would like to be able to MUTE all the units at once, also. NEXT_LOOP would also be nice to have . - Chris ----------------------------- Chris Chovit cho@newdream.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 14:46:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA31731; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:46:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:46:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:15:36 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: an idea Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Resent-Message-ID: <"uwxLP.0.I96.HSfzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ola one and all.......i very much enjoy and learn from everyones musical contributions, be it their web-site or tape or c.d........i was wondering, would a chain tape be of interest to anyone, sort of like a chain letter......here is how i think it could work.....if i got a list of addresses (off list)....i could then send my tune on tape to the next person who would then send it to the next and so on till the tape was filled, then i would get it back and make a copy and send it off again and another copy could be made etc......no pain no strain and lots of music to listen to.....i dont know if this was done before or even if its doable......any thoughts?...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 14:48:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA32289; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:48:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:48:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <011101be748d$09f1e0d0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:12:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? Resent-Message-ID: <"h0hD4.0.816.1Qfzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:54 AM -0800 3/22/99, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >RE: controlling two EDPs with one footswitch - >The EDP is simply using the resistors in the footswitch as one leg of a >voltage divider. If you have a three position switch (i.e., A, B,A+B), I'd >think the A+B position could switch a single resistor into the circuit such >that both EDPs see the correct values of the other resistors. I haven't >computed the value, but I think this should be possible. This set-up would >not require DPDT switches. you'd probably run into problems trying this, from noise, resistor tolerance, different supply voltages on the units, etc. Scaling it would be a pain too, you couldn't decide one day to use two units instead of 3, without chaning all your resistors.... You're much better off with one voltage divider circuit and buffering it with an opamp to the other units. >RE: controlling more than two EDPs - >When I look at controlling ALL the front panel functions via MIDI, I haven't >been able to find a simple solution to the "long press." The MIDI pedals >I've seen aren't adequate for this function. It seems that I need some kind >of sequencer to send out MIDI messages to simulate a "long press." Am I >mistaken? Has anybody else solved this problem? my midi pedal does this, no problem. (digitech PMC-10) Any pedal that can treat the switches as momentary will work, where it sends one command when pressed and another command when released. (NoteOn when pressed, NoteOff when released, etc....) There are quite a few pedals that do this, some examples are Rocktron AllAccess, Roland FC-200, bass pedals for organ, etc. Not to mention any keyboard midi controller. Even a simple pedal like the Ground Control can do this in limited fashion, using a momentary switch in the CC inputs. (pressed it sends CC=128, released it sends CC=0, with the echoplex set to use CC messages for control.) of course, you only get 2 or 3 CC inputs, usually... >Kim! How about a simple software mod that upon receipt of a particular >MIDI command would simulate a "long press"? oh, we'll do better than that, I would guess. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 15:30:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA08133; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:30:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:30:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: an idea Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:49:48 -0800 Message-ID: <003201be749d$253c9f50$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"BK6mv3.0.Nr7.Wvfzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's a neat idea, but why don't you just upload mp3s to a web site? Even a cheapo soundcard would sound better than a haggard old tape that's been mailed around the country fifty times... bIz > -----Original Message----- > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 11:16 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: an idea > > > ola one and all.......i very much enjoy and learn from > everyones musical > contributions, be it their web-site or tape or c.d........i > was wondering, > would a chain tape be of interest to anyone, sort of like a chain > letter......here is how i think it could work.....if i got a > list of addresses > (off list)....i could then send my tune on tape to the next > person who would > then send it to the next and so on till the tape was filled, > then i would get > it back and make a copy and send it off again and another > copy could be made > etc......no pain no strain and lots of music to listen > to.....i dont know if > this was done before or even if its doable......any > thoughts?...........michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 17:13:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA28179; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:13:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:13:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <002601be74ac$1b767ea0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: an idea Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:36:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"f8LLI2.0.3V5.Dbhzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree about it being a neat idea. And uploaded mp3s would sound better than "a haggard old tape" (that's my brand of tape, BTW). To be a "chain" composition though, we'd need to preserve the idea of serially adding stuff to it. Some way of one person passing it to just one other person, etc. Like maybe come up with a list of LD subscribers who want to participant. I also suggest some guidelines for how long each contribution should be: say one to three minutes. Comments? - Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 3:31 PM Subject: RE: an idea > >It's a neat idea, but why don't you just upload mp3s to a web site? Even a >cheapo soundcard would sound better than a haggard old tape that's been >mailed around the country fifty times... > >bIz > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 17:47:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA01523; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:47:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:47:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <002d01be74ae$a980e1c0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:55:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"WH6CC1.0.wP6.Pshzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 3:16 PM Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? >At 9:54 AM -0800 3/22/99, Dennis W. Leas wrote: > >>RE: controlling two EDPs with one footswitch - >>The EDP is simply using the resistors in the footswitch as one leg of a >> . . . >>not require DPDT switches. > >you'd probably run into problems trying this, from noise, resistor >tolerance, different supply voltages on the units, etc. Scaling it would be >a pain too, you couldn't decide one day to use two units instead of 3, >without chaning all your resistors.... You're much better off with one >voltage divider circuit and buffering it with an opamp to the other units. Thanks for the feedback, Kim. I agree. A little bit of active electronics is a better solution. Especially since it would live in the rack with the EDPs. > >>RE: controlling more than two EDPs - >>. . . >my midi pedal does this, no problem. (digitech PMC-10) Any pedal that can >treat the switches as momentary will work, where it sends one command when >pressed and another command when released. (NoteOn when pressed, NoteOff >when released, etc....) There are quite a few pedals that do this, some >examples are Rocktron AllAccess, Roland FC-200, bass pedals for organ, etc. >Not to mention any keyboard midi controller. Even a simple pedal like the >Ground Control can do this in limited fashion, using a momentary switch in >the CC inputs. (pressed it sends CC=128, released it sends CC=0, with the >echoplex set to use CC messages for control.) of course, you only get 2 or >3 CC inputs, usually... Ah, I see now. I'd only need a sequencer type function if I wanted to simulate multiple button press/release combinations (for changing number of loops, switch quant., etc). Humm, maybe I'll breakdown and buy a midi pedal sooner than I thought... >>Kim! How about a simple software mod that upon receipt of a particular >>MIDI command would simulate a "long press"? > >oh, we'll do better than that, I would guess. Now, now. You'll have me salivating with statements like this. ;) - Dennis Leas ------------------------ dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 18:41:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA12975; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:41:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:41:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:31:38 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: an idea Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"H9l3P.0.iu7.dNizs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com if it was a chain-tape you would need to emphasize that not joining in would cause dire luck to individuals. without the chain-threat it just ain't a chain. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 18:57:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA16167; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:57:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:57:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36F6DA1E.67DC68CB@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:02:38 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: edp feature? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b9IyO1.0.U11.Tlizs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all... am i right in thinking that the edp stores info about "cycles" as well as "loops" (ie. a loop is made of however many cycles)? if so wouldn't it be a cool feature to be able to start a cycle... multiply it... and then when overdubbing "select" whether that overdub is "plain" or itself multiplied to occupy the corresponding position in each cycle of the loop? that way you could say turn a (say) 1 bar phrase into a 4 bar phrase...have overdubs that overlay the 4 bar phrase... and also overdubs that build each of the 1 bar phrases within.. is this already possible? Kim? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 18:56:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA15861; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:56:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:56:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <9c3c1281.36f6cdc3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:09:55 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Echoplex and a midi pedal Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"3a1AW.0.Wd1.gwizs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com say i've put down 9 separate loops can you call up one of the 9 loops with one press of a button using a midi pedal? i know with the the echoplex pedalboard you would have to tap around.....correct? thanks, brian electric bird noise (cinematic loop and layered instrumental music) http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 19:46:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA24194; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:46:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:46:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: djdowling@earthlink.net Message-ID: <36F6EC8A.11D0@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:21:14 -0500 Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan for SALE X-URL: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xClgr2.0.To4.Zsjzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am considering selling my JamMan (8 sec. memory) to the looper with the highest bid. Emale your BID ONLY. I will collect bids for one week and then respond to all bidders. Please do not emale more than once...unless to up your bid. If you are reading this message after Monday March 29 - DO NOT RESPOND. I know this may sound like an unorthodox sales procedure but the demand for this "instrument" is also unorthodox. Best, Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 20:02:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA20078; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:54:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:54:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <36F52701.F3CEE2F@vtx.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:21:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? Cc: Matthias Grob Resent-Message-ID: <"9PL1a1.0.NG3.ufezs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:24 AM -0800 3/22/99, Chris Chovit wrote: >You can use mutiple footpedals to control one EDP, but uou can't use one >footpedal to control more than one EDP at a time. (Unless you use the DPDT >switches, as Claude suggested, to keep the circuits separate.) Matthias modified an echoplex pedal to work this way. It's pretty simple, just use an opamp to buffer the voltage to the other units. Perhaps he could explain for you guys. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 20:02:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA20292; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:55:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:55:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: DKirkdorffer@exapps.com Message-Id: Date: 22 Mar 1999 07:53:06 -0800 Subject: RE: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, cho@newdream.net Resent-Message-ID: <"X_YXG.0.2U4.W3fzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Great idea - however, I can foresee wanting to send a signal to multiple edp's at once. For example, running a single note through 3 different processors each resulting in a different effect, all being captured at one time into 3 different edp's. Maybe that would need an A+B, A+C, B+C, A+B+C Would this be possible too? David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Chris Chovit [mailto:cho@newdream.net] Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? Fellow loopers, I am currently working with a pedal-builder to come up with A/B and A/B/C boxes, to switch the Echoplex DP footpedal between multiple echoplexi. Here is the problem I have with the A/B boxes currently available: 1. DOD-style boxes work adequately (if you lift the ground to the positve lead of the unselected output), but do not have LED's to show you which output is selected. This is a pain when I forget which unit is selected -- I usually hit the MUTE button to determine this, but this is not very condusive to performance situations. 2. Morley-style boxes (w/ LED's) do not work. At least this has been my experience. (Has anyone else been able to use these?) My (limited) understanding about this is that in order to use LED's in the circuit, you must ground out the postive lead of the unselected output. Since this is equivalent to hitting the RECORD button, This will screw up any loops that are going on in that 'plex. One solution that has been suggested is to use the switches that have a mechanical indicator (red button) rather than an LED. This is certainly a feasible, low cost solution, as these switches are apparently ~$25. Another solution is to use relays, instead of just switches. This is a more expensive solution, and requires power, but has the advantage of having easy-to-see (esp. in the dark) LED's. Personally, I would like to use different color LED's so make it really easy to determine which unit is selected. The design for the A/B pedal is complete, and the purchase price is ~$85. Is anyone out there interested in such a pedal? The design for an A/B/C pedal is currently in the works. This pedal will use a "latching" circuit. In this setup, there will be 3 switches, one for each output. By hitting one switch, you will select that output, and automatically deselect the others, thereby allowing "one button switching" between three outputs. For those of you using three (or more) echoplexi, you are probably aware of the "less-than-ideal" setup of using two A/B boxes to select between three units. Often, two button presses are necessary to switch, and there still exists the confusion of which unit is actually selected (since the LED pedals don't work). This latching pedal will allow direct access to each unit, and have LED's to show which unit is selected. I do not yet know what such a pedal will cost, but I imagine it will be in the $100 - $150 range. This is expensive for just a switching pedal, but it would be worth it to me. Is there anybody else out there that might be interested in such a pedal. Also, I have not explored this possibility, but I imagine it would be possible to create A/B/C/D, A/B/C/D/E, (etc.) pedals with the same type of latching circuit, to provide one-button switching. I don't imagine there are too many people using that many exhoplexi, but it is easy to see that the more units you are using, the more useful such a switching pedal would be. Using 4 A/B boxes to contol 5 echoplexi seems impractical to me, esp. for live situations. If anyone is interested in something like this, please let me know, as I can probably get them for better prices if I order a bunch. - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 20:29:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA31454; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:29:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:29:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003101be74c7$8debb020$7a88cfa9@sallys> From: "Sally Sermersheim" To: Subject: would like to buy Lexicon Jam Man Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:53:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01BE7495.4219F8A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"PjpXh3.0.vG6.2Okzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BE7495.4219F8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I realize that the Lexicon Jam Man has been discontinued, but I would = like to purchase one if I could locate an unused one that is still = sitting on a shelf somewhere waiting for a new home. Rick phone: 414-259-8196 e-mail: rgaspere@cnrhealth.com ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BE7495.4219F8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I realize that the Lexicon Jam Man has been = discontinued, but=20 I would like to purchase one if I could locate an unused one that is = still=20 sitting on a shelf somewhere waiting for a new home.
 
Rick
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e-mail: rgaspere@cnrhealth.com<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BE7495.4219F8A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 20:25:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA30873; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:25:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:25:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36F69FC9.584962A6@columbus.rr.com> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:53:46 +0000 From: Darrell Jones Reply-To: djones01@columbus.rr.com Organization: Intra Sites X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CjPQx.0.KE6.WNkzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check out a midi foot controller, I'm using the Rocktron All Access midi Foot Controller for my foot control. This will do what ever you want it to through midi. Darrell David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Great idea - however, I can foresee wanting to send a signal to multiple > edp's at once. > > For example, running a single note through 3 different processors each > resulting in a different effect, all being captured at one time into 3 > different edp's. > > Maybe that would need an A+B, A+C, B+C, A+B+C > > Would this be possible too? > > David Kirkdorffer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Chovit [mailto:cho@newdream.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:44 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? > > Fellow loopers, > > I am currently working with a pedal-builder to come up with A/B and A/B/C > boxes, to switch the Echoplex DP footpedal between multiple echoplexi. > Here is the problem I have with the A/B boxes currently available: > > 1. DOD-style boxes work adequately (if you lift the ground to the positve > lead of the unselected output), but do not have LED's to show you which > output is selected. This is a pain when I forget which unit is selected -- > I usually hit the MUTE button to determine this, but this is not very > condusive to performance situations. > > 2. Morley-style boxes (w/ LED's) do not work. At least this has been my > experience. (Has anyone else been able to use these?) My (limited) > understanding about this is that in order to use LED's in the circuit, you > must ground out the postive lead of the unselected output. Since this is > equivalent to hitting the RECORD button, This will screw up any loops that > are going on in that 'plex. > > One solution that has been suggested is to use the switches that have a > mechanical indicator (red button) rather than an LED. This is certainly a > feasible, low cost solution, as these switches are apparently ~$25. > > Another solution is to use relays, instead of just switches. This is a > more expensive solution, and requires power, but has the advantage of > having easy-to-see (esp. in the dark) LED's. Personally, I would like to > use different color LED's so make it really easy to determine which unit is > selected. > > The design for the A/B pedal is complete, and the purchase price is ~$85. > Is anyone out there interested in such a pedal? > > The design for an A/B/C pedal is currently in the works. This pedal will > use a "latching" circuit. In this setup, there will be 3 switches, one for > each output. By hitting one switch, you will select that output, and > automatically deselect the others, thereby allowing "one button switching" > between three outputs. For those of you using three (or more) echoplexi, > you are probably aware of the "less-than-ideal" setup of using two A/B > boxes to select between three units. Often, two button presses are > necessary to switch, and there still exists the confusion of which unit is > actually selected (since the LED pedals don't work). This latching pedal > will allow direct access to each unit, and have LED's to show which unit is > selected. > > I do not yet know what such a pedal will cost, but I imagine it will be in > the $100 - $150 range. This is expensive for just a switching pedal, but > it would be worth it to me. Is there anybody else out there that might be > interested in such a pedal. > > Also, I have not explored this possibility, but I imagine it would be > possible to create A/B/C/D, A/B/C/D/E, (etc.) pedals with the same type of > latching circuit, to provide one-button switching. I don't imagine there > are too many people using that many exhoplexi, but it is easy to see that > the more units you are using, the more useful such a switching pedal would > be. Using 4 A/B boxes to contol 5 echoplexi seems impractical to me, esp. > for live situations. > > If anyone is interested in something like this, please let me know, as I > can probably get them for better prices if I order a bunch. > > - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 20:25:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA30858; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:25:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:25:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:47:53 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Pee Davignon To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: re: an idea Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"0UKzi.0.U-5.QJkzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think the tape thing is a great idea. Count me in. I could contribute to a tape pretty easily. MP3's would sound better and would be easier to compile, but I'm still trying to figure out how to make them. (My roommate has the program, I just can't figure out how to work it.) I also don't know if my little college server will allow me to send an mp3 sized file. The cool thing about tapes is that it would allow the folks without computers to contribute, and we could do several different tapes, that is if we can take the tape noise. We could also do one of those "remix-a-thons" where one person includes his original track, a second person remixes it, the third person remixes the remix, and so on. This isn't really do-able on cassette tape, though. The tenth track would have like 10 million layers of looped tape noise. matt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 20:57:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA04359; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:57:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:57:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Date: 22 Mar 1999 17:18:45 -0800 Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Cc: matthias@grob.org Resent-Message-ID: <"Xlpt21.0.MN7.7okzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:24 AM -0800 3/22/99, Chris Chovit wrote: >You can use mutiple footpedals to control one EDP, but uou can't use one >footpedal to control more than one EDP at a time. (Unless you use the DPDT >switches, as Claude suggested, to keep the circuits separate.) Matthias modified an echoplex pedal to work this way. It's pretty simple, just use an opamp to buffer the voltage to the other units. Perhaps he could explain for you guys. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 21:33:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA09386; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:33:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:33:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <364558cc.36f6f177@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:42:15 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: an idea Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"5D84o1.0.5T.17lzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/22/99 7:22:31 PM Central Standard Time, mdavig@sfsu.edu writes: << We could also do one of those "remix-a-thons" where one person includes his original track, a second person remixes it, the third person remixes the remix, and so on. This isn't really do-able on cassette tape, though. The tenth track would have like 10 million layers of looped tape noise. >> You say that like "10 million layers of tape noise" is a BAD thing. :) Who knows, it might have it's own sonic appeal. Something like this is (or at least I see it as) more of an art project / happening than something that should be "cd quality audio". I think the noise should be part of the ambiance. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 23:20:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA25500; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:20:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:20:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:02:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Live Webcast Monday Resent-Message-ID: <"en93_2.0.1c4.Rkmzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Keenan, I tried to heck this out, downloaded netshow earlier in the evening but I could not get your link to play....was it working or was it me? Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT "fascinating aural images...luminous portraits of sound & vision..." Outburn 8 www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 22 23:43:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA28687; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:43:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:43:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990322214619.0095fa20@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:57:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: Boomerang... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pb9WD.0.zM5.O2nzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just picked up a Boomerang recently. Very cool little unit. One of it's coolest features (IMO) is the half-speed playback. I use it w/ a 5 string electric violin, and the effect sounds very cool and smooth when transposing it down into cello or double bass range. :) Other nice things: Backwards solo mode (kind of an immediate backwards slapback) and backwards record mode (constantly records and plays things backwards). Things that are missing that would be nice: Undo mode, feedback & switch to half speed mode w/o stopping playback. All in all, a well designed, good sounding performance oriented unit. Before someone goes ballistic on my ass about how the EDP is a far superior unit ;), it's on it's way (hopefully soon). I will post a side by side comparison when it arrives. It's obvious that the EDP has more features, but the Boomerang definitely provides some unique and interesting features that the EDP does not currently have (although I wish it did. Kim? ;) ). Lorren Stafford Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound http://www.winternet.com/~r4c "We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 00:00:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA31147; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:00:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:00:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <430d21fa.36f71970@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:32:48 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Boomerang...sound quality? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"7ejRZ1.0.4j6.Wcnzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i am interested in the sound quality vs. other units. i have a jamman which i love and want to know how the boomerang compares in sound quality? better, worse, same? i will hopefully be checking one out next weekend but have yet to mess with one in person yet. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 01:09:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA23500; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:09:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:09:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <31df0fe7.36f7267f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:28:31 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: an idea Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Resent-Message-ID: <"f_Pss2.0.zL1.sQozs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i would be more than willing to start this....that way ill have no drastic mis-fortune for breaking the chain...thanks PJ, i forgot this useful bit.........the mp3 files is a great idea but i have no idea as to how this is done, nor do i really care or have time to figure it out, im pretty lo-fi and a computer idiot to boot.....i agree there should be a time limit per tune and i also feel that if anyone wants to utilize (sample?) previous songs they should feel free to do so.....basically, i want very much to hear your music!.......by all means PLEASE continue making the L.D. cds, i have no idea how a project like that is done, but i do know how to make noise on a tape.......if you are interested send me your address (off list)......i think it would be fun and as bill said it would be a motivator.......if it is proper, we could perhaps discuss ideas on this project (on list)?.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 01:13:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA24560; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:13:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:13:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:32:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Re: Live Webcast Monday In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"w2NGs3.0.sA1.lOozs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:02 PM 3/22/99 +0200, you wrote: >Hey Keenan, > >I tried to heck this out, downloaded netshow earlier in the evening but I >could not get your link to play....was it working or was it me? > >Hey Patrick-i dunno but it will be archived on konstant real soon --thanks for watching K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 01:34:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA28942; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:34:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:34:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990322235715.007d11c0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:57:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: an idea In-Reply-To: <31df0fe7.36f7267f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EMRh11.0.7s4.1rozs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please let me know when you're ready to start your list. I'd love to be on it, and to contribute to the tape. Great idea. Jeff McLeod At 12:28 AM 3/23/99 EST, you wrote: >i would be more than willing to start this....that way ill have no drastic >mis-fortune for breaking the chain...thanks PJ, i forgot this useful >bit.........the mp3 files is a great idea but i have no idea as to how this is >done, nor do i really care or have time to figure it out, im pretty lo-fi and >a computer idiot to boot.....i agree there should be a time limit per tune and >i also feel that if anyone wants to utilize (sample?) previous songs they >should feel free to do so.....basically, i want very much to hear your >music!.......by all means PLEASE continue making the L.D. cds, i have no idea >how a project like that is done, but i do know how to make noise on a >tape.......if you are interested send me your address (off list)......i think >it would be fun and as bill said it would be a motivator.......if it is >proper, we could perhaps discuss ideas on this project (on list)?.....michael > > __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 02:21:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA00803; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:21:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:21:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: hideo@concentric.net Message-Id: Date: 22 Mar 1999 22:32:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"lsZNU.0.957.KOpzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sheesh . . . thought you Loopers were all just into black boxes and sheeet . . . . ;) heartening to see these little gems mentioned . . . FYEnlightenmet, check out Hopkins' excellent "Experimental Musical Instruments" magazine (sadly this is the last year of publication) and his two books on instrumnet building--they are a gold mine of ideas for acoustic instruments . . . ya know . . . pickups, transducers, micing, that kind of thing (sorry) drone on Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net PS and while you're at it check out Michael Peters HOP generator available on his web site--that and BOMB are the two pieces of eye candy in rotation on my laptop > >Michael Peters wrote: > >> 'Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones' >> >> Lovers of crazy and experimental music, be sure to check out this CD >> sampler by Bart Hopkin, released on ellipsis arts ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 02:25:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA01243; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:25:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:25:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: DKirkdorffer@exapps.com Message-Id: Date: 22 Mar 1999 22:48:21 -0800 Subject: RE: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, cho@newdream.net Resent-Message-ID: <"62ciN2.0.wR7.7dpzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Great idea - however, I can foresee wanting to send a signal to multiple edp's at once. For example, running a single note through 3 different processors each resulting in a different effect, all being captured at one time into 3 different edp's. Maybe that would need an A+B, A+C, B+C, A+B+C Would this be possible too? David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Chris Chovit [mailto:cho@newdream.net] Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? Fellow loopers, I am currently working with a pedal-builder to come up with A/B and A/B/C boxes, to switch the Echoplex DP footpedal between multiple echoplexi. Here is the problem I have with the A/B boxes currently available: 1. DOD-style boxes work adequately (if you lift the ground to the positve lead of the unselected output), but do not have LED's to show you which output is selected. This is a pain when I forget which unit is selected -- I usually hit the MUTE button to determine this, but this is not very condusive to performance situations. 2. Morley-style boxes (w/ LED's) do not work. At least this has been my experience. (Has anyone else been able to use these?) My (limited) understanding about this is that in order to use LED's in the circuit, you must ground out the postive lead of the unselected output. Since this is equivalent to hitting the RECORD button, This will screw up any loops that are going on in that 'plex. One solution that has been suggested is to use the switches that have a mechanical indicator (red button) rather than an LED. This is certainly a feasible, low cost solution, as these switches are apparently ~$25. Another solution is to use relays, instead of just switches. This is a more expensive solution, and requires power, but has the advantage of having easy-to-see (esp. in the dark) LED's. Personally, I would like to use different color LED's so make it really easy to determine which unit is selected. The design for the A/B pedal is complete, and the purchase price is ~$85. Is anyone out there interested in such a pedal? The design for an A/B/C pedal is currently in the works. This pedal will use a "latching" circuit. In this setup, there will be 3 switches, one for each output. By hitting one switch, you will select that output, and automatically deselect the others, thereby allowing "one button switching" between three outputs. For those of you using three (or more) echoplexi, you are probably aware of the "less-than-ideal" setup of using two A/B boxes to select between three units. Often, two button presses are necessary to switch, and there still exists the confusion of which unit is actually selected (since the LED pedals don't work). This latching pedal will allow direct access to each unit, and have LED's to show which unit is selected. I do not yet know what such a pedal will cost, but I imagine it will be in the $100 - $150 range. This is expensive for just a switching pedal, but it would be worth it to me. Is there anybody else out there that might be interested in such a pedal. Also, I have not explored this possibility, but I imagine it would be possible to create A/B/C/D, A/B/C/D/E, (etc.) pedals with the same type of latching circuit, to provide one-button switching. I don't imagine there are too many people using that many exhoplexi, but it is easy to see that the more units you are using, the more useful such a switching pedal would be. Using 4 A/B boxes to contol 5 echoplexi seems impractical to me, esp. for live situations. If anyone is interested in something like this, please let me know, as I can probably get them for better prices if I order a bunch. - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 03:27:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA08092; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:27:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:27:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim.Carter@bristol.ac.uk Message-Id: Date: 22 Mar 1999 23:59:01 -0800 Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"In3nv.0.KQ1.kjqzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm currently controlling my EDP from a Digitech Control8 MIDI floor unit. You can certainly pick these up secondhand for 80pounds. Using this unit in CC mode I get visual feedback (ie little green lights) of which functions are active on the Echoplex and can switch the pedal between Volume/Feedback/Undo. My grand plan is that when I am rich enough to own a second echoplex I am drive the two from one floor unit either asynchronous on two MIDI channels or stereo by engaging the BrotherSync. Maybe this will be MIDIable in some future release of firmware. Jim Carter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 03:18:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA07026; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:18:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:18:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: dennis@mdbs.com Message-Id: Date: 23 Mar 1999 00:12:18 -0800 Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"YxAjL1.0.va1.irqzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Chris Chovit To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? >You can use mutiple footpedals to control one EDP, but uou can't use one >footpedal to control more than one EDP at a time. (Unless you use the DPDT >switches, as Claude suggested, to keep the circuits separate.) For two >units, you can always run them in stereo mode, and control them with one >footpedal. Some thoughts... (BTW: I use two EDPs. I use three footswitches in a daisy chain. Each footswitch can control either unit A or B, but not both simultaneously. I haven't needed this functionality except in one instance; I'd like to MUTE both loopers simultaneously at the end of a composition.) RE: controlling two EDPs with one footswitch - The EDP is simply using the resistors in the footswitch as one leg of a voltage divider. If you have a three position switch (i.e., A, B,A+B), I'd think the A+B position could switch a single resistor into the circuit such that both EDPs see the correct values of the other resistors. I haven't computed the value, but I think this should be possible. This set-up would not require DPDT switches. RE: controlling more than two EDPs - At some point, I want at least one more EDP, probably two more, so I've thought some about how to control them. For me, I think MIDI footpedals are the best solution. As the discussion over the A+B function shows, with multiple EDPs the player will probably want combined functions. This can get out-of-hand (pun intended) with the non-midi footswitches. When I look at controlling ALL the front panel functions via MIDI, I haven't been able to find a simple solution to the "long press." The MIDI pedals I've seen aren't adequate for this function. It seems that I need some kind of sequencer to send out MIDI messages to simulate a "long press." Am I mistaken? Has anybody else solved this problem? Kim! How about a simple software mod that upon receipt of a particular MIDI command would simulate a "long press"? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 03:31:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA08590; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:31:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: cho@newdream.net Message-Id: Date: 23 Mar 1999 00:09:45 -0800 Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"GNdkp3.0.6Y1.Vpqzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You can use mutiple footpedals to control one EDP, but uou can't use one footpedal to control more than one EDP at a time. (Unless you use the DPDT switches, as Claude suggested, to keep the circuits separate.) For two units, you can always run them in stereo mode, and control them with one footpedal. - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 03:29:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA08342; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:29:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:29:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: urania@email.women.com Message-Id: Date: 22 Mar 1999 23:54:54 -0800 Subject: Panel Discussion on Fair Pay for Musicians To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"JRV_L.0.R31.kbqzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Brecht Forum >122 West 27th Street, 10th Floor >between 6th and 7th Avenues >New York, NY 10010 >(212) 242-4201 >www.brechtforum.org > >For immediate release Contact: >Liz >Mestres 212-242-4201 > > > >Barbara Burch 718-398-2810 > >THE NOISE ACTION COALITION CO-SPONSORS PANEL DISCUSSION >ON ECONOMIC JUSTICE FOR MUSICIANS >AS PART OF NEUES KABARETT AT THE BRECHT FORUM > >The Brecht Forum and the Noise Action Coalition will sponsor a panel >entitled >"Pay to Play?" examining the issue of fair pay for musicians, >featuring >Stanley Aronowitz, Marc Ribot, Lianne Smith, Greg Tate and others. > >The event is Saturday, March 27th at 6 p.m. at 122 West 27th Street, >10th >Floor, between 6th and 7th Avenues in Manhattan. Admission is $6-10 >sliding >scale, no one turned away for lack of funds. For information call >212.242.4201. > >The Noise Action Coalition (NAC), an organizing project by and for >musicians >working the network of clubs and indie labels centered around >downtown >New >York City, is made up of Jazz, New Music, "Knitting Factory scene" >and >Indie >Rock musicians. The NAC has protested the No-Pay policy at Arlene >Grocery and >other No-Pay clubs. The NAC has also conducted informational >picketing >of the >CMJ Music Fest over the festival's non-payment of musicians. Last >year, the >NAC won the first collectively bargained agreement at a major U.S. >Jazz >festival, the Knitting Factory/Texaco (now Bell Atlantic) New York >Jazz >Festival, doubling minimum rates of pay for participating musicians. > >Behind these actions was the belief by NAC supporters that when money >is made, >musicians should be paid. And behind that belief is an assumption >that >musicians can and should organize collectively to win better >conditions. > >The panel will explore whether these beliefs and assumptions are >valid >and/or >realistic. Topics will include: whether musicians have a moral or >legal right >to collectively bargain; whether unions are possible or desirable in >a >downtown music scene dominated by freelancers; and if the >bureaucratic >structure and rules normally associated with unions can co-exist with >the >creative flexibility and spontaneity of this scene? > >The panel will discuss how the NAC's organizing does or does not fit >in >with >the Musicians' Union, and how the NAC relates to other >"nontraditional" >organizing efforts among part-time, freelance and "intellectual" >labor >now >underway. > >The Brecht Forum is an educational and cultural organization for >people >who >are working for fundamental social change. Neues Kabarett, a regular >avant- >garde music series, is one of several ongoing cultural events >organized >by the >Brecht Forum, including: monthly visual art exhibits, The Gashouse (a >monthly >music and poetry night), film and video series, focus groups for >artists, and >performances ranging from dance to experimental theater. > > > > > > > Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 03:37:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA09382; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:37:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:37:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:50:59 +1100 X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990322235715.007d11c0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <31df0fe7.36f7267f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Echoplex module for Generator Software Synth... Resent-Message-ID: <"5xUsh3.0.T-.CYqzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know if it has been mentioned here already, but I noticed this post on the Native Instruments Generator list... >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:02:37 +0100 >From: Steffen Fuerst >To: Mailing List Generator >Subject: GENERATOR:Echoplex V0.99 > >This Instrument is influenced by the Oberheim Echoplex (i don't have one >and only know some description i found in the Internet). There will be a >Version 1.0 with less crackle, but i found no time to optimizing this >yet (and in the next six week the situation will not be better). > >Thanks to Lorren Stafford for the Idea and some help for the hints. > >Have Fun, >Steffen Generator is a PC (and soon Mac) modular software synth. It allows users to create their own synth modules. If anyone here has Generator, you might want to check it out and see if Steffen's version is close to the original, and maybe give him some hints on improving it. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 03:31:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA08574; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:31:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:31:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: klaw@pop.iglou.com Message-Id: Date: 23 Mar 1999 00:09:15 -0800 Subject: Live Webcast Monday To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"w46T_3.0.cW1.6pqzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thats EST btw K Hi everybody-a somewhat late annoucement -please tune in :Monday, March 22, 9 pm L I V E M U S I C W E B C A S T at http://www.konstant.com Keenan Lawler's Science Project The show will utilize live sampling and looping, incorporating the simplest acoustic elements to storms of electronic noise. Both live improvisation and composed music will be performed. The show takes place at Artswatch, Frankfort Ave, Louisville, KY, as part of the Macrotonal Music Monday series. Webcast provided by shadowcast Thanks Keenan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 04:40:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA15731; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:40:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:40:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9c3c1281.36f6cdc3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:23:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex and a midi pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"oXw5v1.0.iT3.9trzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:09 PM -0800 3/22/99, ENAT21213@aol.com wrote: >say i've put down 9 separate loops >can you call up one of the 9 loops with one press of a button using a midi >pedal? yes, check the loop switching/triggering section of the echoplex FAQ: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html and the echoplex footpedal tutorial: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 04:31:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA15147; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:31:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:31:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990323091935.0073d3f8@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:19:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: Echoplex module for Generator Software Synth... Resent-Message-ID: <"lt1qD2.0.wN3.vorzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, i have generator where's the file? ciao leo At 18.50 23/03/99 +1100, you wrote: >I don't know if it has been mentioned here already, but I noticed this post >on the Native Instruments Generator list... > > >>Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:02:37 +0100 >>From: Steffen Fuerst >>To: Mailing List Generator >>Subject: GENERATOR:Echoplex V0.99 >> >>This Instrument is influenced by the Oberheim Echoplex (i don't have one >>and only know some description i found in the Internet). There will be a >>Version 1.0 with less crackle, but i found no time to optimizing this >>yet (and in the next six week the situation will not be better). >> >>Thanks to Lorren Stafford for the Idea and some help for the hints. >> >>Have Fun, >>Steffen > > >Generator is a PC (and soon Mac) modular software synth. It allows users to >create their own synth modules. > >If anyone here has Generator, you might want to check it out and see if >Steffen's version is close to the original, and maybe give him some hints >on improving it. > >Simon >Canberra >AUSTRALIA > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 04:31:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA15175; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:31:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:31:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: cho@newdream.net Message-Id: Date: 23 Mar 1999 01:15:29 -0800 Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Pesk32.0.dK3.-mrzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >RE: controlling two EDPs with one footswitch - >The EDP is simply using the resistors in the footswitch as one leg of a >voltage divider. If you have a three position switch (i.e., A, B,A+B), I'd >think the A+B position could switch a single resistor into the circuit such >that both EDPs see the correct values of the other resistors. I haven't >computed the value, but I think this should be possible. This set-up would >not require DPDT switches. This is an interesting idea. You could have two sets of switches: One to control ALL the units and one to switch between individual units. This would be ideal. I would like to be able to MUTE all the units at once, also. NEXT_LOOP would also be nice to have . - Chris ----------------------------- Chris Chovit cho@newdream.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 05:11:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA18191; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:11:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:11:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Date: 23 Mar 1999 01:21:30 -0800 Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"SxlgP1.0.ET3.wsrzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:54 AM -0800 3/22/99, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >RE: controlling two EDPs with one footswitch - >The EDP is simply using the resistors in the footswitch as one leg of a >voltage divider. If you have a three position switch (i.e., A, B,A+B), I'd >think the A+B position could switch a single resistor into the circuit such >that both EDPs see the correct values of the other resistors. I haven't >computed the value, but I think this should be possible. This set-up would >not require DPDT switches. you'd probably run into problems trying this, from noise, resistor tolerance, different supply voltages on the units, etc. Scaling it would be a pain too, you couldn't decide one day to use two units instead of 3, without chaning all your resistors.... You're much better off with one voltage divider circuit and buffering it with an opamp to the other units. >RE: controlling more than two EDPs - >When I look at controlling ALL the front panel functions via MIDI, I haven't >been able to find a simple solution to the "long press." The MIDI pedals >I've seen aren't adequate for this function. It seems that I need some kind >of sequencer to send out MIDI messages to simulate a "long press." Am I >mistaken? Has anybody else solved this problem? my midi pedal does this, no problem. (digitech PMC-10) Any pedal that can treat the switches as momentary will work, where it sends one command when pressed and another command when released. (NoteOn when pressed, NoteOff when released, etc....) There are quite a few pedals that do this, some examples are Rocktron AllAccess, Roland FC-200, bass pedals for organ, etc. Not to mention any keyboard midi controller. Even a simple pedal like the Ground Control can do this in limited fashion, using a momentary switch in the CC inputs. (pressed it sends CC=128, released it sends CC=0, with the echoplex set to use CC messages for control.) of course, you only get 2 or 3 CC inputs, usually... >Kim! How about a simple software mod that upon receipt of a particular >MIDI command would simulate a "long press"? oh, we'll do better than that, I would guess. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 05:23:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA19086; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:23:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:23:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36F6DA1E.67DC68CB@latrobe.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:31:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp feature? Resent-Message-ID: <"Th1KS.0.Nk3.o-rzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 4:02 PM -0800 3/22/99, b.knox wrote: >hey all... > >am i right in thinking that the edp stores info about "cycles" as well >as "loops" (ie. a loop is made of however many cycles)? right. a basic loop is one cycle, using multiply or insert adds cycles. > if so wouldn't >it be a cool feature to be able to start a cycle... multiply it... and >then when overdubbing "select" whether that overdub is "plain" or itself >multiplied to occupy the corresponding position in each cycle of the >loop? that way you could say turn a (say) 1 bar phrase into a 4 bar >phrase...have overdubs that overlay the 4 bar phrase... and also >overdubs that build each of the 1 bar phrases within.. is this already >possible? Kim? well, you could do this by doing the overdub first, and then multiplying so that the overdub is multiplied. But after the multiply is done, you can't have an overdub go immediately to all of the cycles. Interesting idea, but I think figuring out how to put that choice in the current interface would be too confusing. In any case, we couldn't really manage this in the current architecture.... something to think about for the future. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 09:03:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA13828; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:03:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:03:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <81187A52F28ED21197D200805FBB030F4AB648@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> From: "Wordsman, Lee" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Repeated messages Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:32:18 -0500 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"MX2Lb1.0.VY2.rUvzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is anyone else recieving multiple copies of the same message. I received the following message from David Kirkdorffer three or four times over the last day or so. Is it just my system or are others experiencing the same? Lee >Great idea - however, I can foresee wanting to send a signal to multiple >edp's at once. >For example, running a single note through 3 different processors each >resulting in a different effect, all being captured at one time into 3 >different edp's. >Maybe that would need an A+B, A+C, B+C, A+B+C >Would this be possible too? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 09:47:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA20773; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:47:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:47:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <008f01be7536$0d2efea0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Repeated messages Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:04:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"4YO6q1.0.tm3.s2wzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, I am. I just changed mail-readers and I thought it was happening on my end. It's good to know it's not :) - Dennis Leas -------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Wordsman, Lee To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 9:05 AM Subject: Repeated messages >Is anyone else recieving multiple copies of the same message. I received >the following message from David Kirkdorffer three or four times over the >last day or so. Is it just my system or are others experiencing the same? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 10:09:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA24112; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:09:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:09:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002401be7539$9ba1a400$2698adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Repeated messages Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:29:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"DpwTj1.0.N54.1Bwzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hmmmm . . . that's encouraging---I received three copies of my own post and felt like a complete nick novice (HONEST . . . only sent it once :) Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Wordsman, Lee To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 8:13 AM Subject: Repeated messages > >Is anyone else recieving multiple copies of the same message. I received >the following message from David Kirkdorffer three or four times SNIP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 10:30:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA27815; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:30:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:30:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: william.m.seiberling@us.arthurandersen.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: ANDERSEN WO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <0525673D.004E7BB6.00@us.arthurandersen.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:22:52 -0500 Subject: EDP Production Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"scz0c2.0.JX4.wLwzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know when the EDP (Oberhiem Echoplex Digital Pro) will be available. I've called dealers all over the country and none of them have one in stock, and aren't sure when they will receive them from the factory. Bill *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message, and notify us immediately. If you or your employer does not consent to Internet email messages of this kind, please advise us immediately. Opinions, conclusions and other information expressed in this message are not given or endorsed by my firm or employer unless otherwise indicated by an authorized representative independent of this message. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 11:28:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA04672; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:28:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:28:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: fnord@saluki-mail.siu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008f01be7536$0d2efea0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:21:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: damon baker Subject: Re: Repeated messages Resent-Message-ID: <"ZPBCl.0.7Q6.Y6xzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com heh, i just thought it was my imagination ("man been playing with loops so much now even the loop mailing list seems stuck in a loop!":) damon baker fnord@siu.edu >Yeah, I am. I just changed mail-readers and I thought it was happening on >my end. It's good to know it's not :) > >- Dennis Leas >-------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Wordsman, Lee >To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' >Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 9:05 AM >Subject: Repeated messages > > >>Is anyone else recieving multiple copies of the same message. I received >>the following message from David Kirkdorffer three or four times over the >>last day or so. Is it just my system or are others experiencing the same? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 11:32:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA05243; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:32:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:32:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002601be74ac$1b767ea0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:01:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: Re: an idea Resent-Message-ID: <"NMPXe1.0.57.Dgxzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think this is a great idea - I have been thinking along these lines also. **Warning - geektalk follows !!! MP3 seems like a logical way to share loops, small files, cross-platform etc... People working with images have been doing similar things on the Web - for instance, I used to participate in weekly 2D image-mangling sessions where every Friday night people would meet online on IRC(text chat) or using video conferencing. A set of 'seed images' would be uploading into a shared FTP directory - the seed images could be downloaded, mangled by participants using Photoshop or whatever, and reuploaded. The site ran some server-side scripts to index the FTP directory so people can easily peruse the modification history of each seed image. I think something similar for sound files/loops is a natural - I also wonder if we could 'borrow' the server scripts (I think they are Perl) and modify them to cope with sound files (little modification is probably needed). For those that are interested, the URL is front page : http://www.sito.org/synergy/panic/ FTP browsing interface: http://www.sito.org/synergy/panic/panic-interface.html PS : I have a Linux Apache server that we might be able to use as a server. --------------------------- >I agree about it being a neat idea. And uploaded mp3s would sound better >than "a haggard old tape" (that's my brand of tape, BTW). To be a "chain" >composition though, we'd need to preserve the idea of serially adding stuff >to it. Some way of one person passing it to just one other person, etc. >Like maybe come up with a list of LD subscribers who want to participant. I >also suggest some guidelines for how long each contribution should be: say >one to three minutes. Comments? > >- Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jonathan El-Bizri >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 3:31 PM >Subject: RE: an idea > > >> >>It's a neat idea, but why don't you just upload mp3s to a web site? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 17:48:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA15048; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:48:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:48:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903232210.RAA18901@ligarius-fe0.ultra.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:11:11 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP Production From: "sandro" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Madf5.0.C82.T51-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com try here, they said they have it on stock https://www.zzounds.com/ ---------- >From: william.m.seiberling@us.arthurandersen.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: EDP Production >Date: Tue, Mar 23, 1999, 9:22 AM > > Does anyone know when the EDP (Oberhiem Echoplex Digital Pro) will be > available. I've called dealers all over the country and none of them have > one in stock, and aren't sure when they will receive them from the factory. > > Bill > > *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If > you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for > delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this > message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message, and > notify us immediately. If you or your employer does not consent to Internet > email messages of this kind, please advise us immediately. Opinions, > conclusions and other information expressed in this message are not given > or endorsed by my firm or employer unless otherwise indicated by an > authorized representative independent of this message. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 20:49:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA06373; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:49:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:49:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8d54af38.36f83f2e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:26:06 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: chain tape update Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Resent-Message-ID: <"npmfs3.0.Ij.Wz3-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com so far ten interested parties in this venture.....several people expressed interest but failed to give me their address.......please send off list......i foresee an april 1 launch date.......take names till sunday.....get the mailing list together......do my little ditty and blast the tape off........i think there should be some time constrains on the length of keeping the tape, perhaps 2-3 days max......i know it takes me at least 2 days to find a stamp.......mention was made of keeping each tune to a certain length.....perhaps by sunday when there eleven of us we can all do epics :)........any and all ideas are welcome and needed.......thanks..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 21:21:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA11203; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:21:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:21:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36F84E83.19C8@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:31:32 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDPvsJamman References: <199903232210.RAA18901@ligarius-fe0.ultra.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"duccB2.0.iW2.fg4-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Since the Jamman doesn't really loop in stereo;is there any reason why I couldn't duplicate my Jamman "experience"(currently in the stereo effects loop of my Nightbass,while my EPD resides in the mono loop) with another EPD a couple of Y cables and a lousy footpedal;) In other words,would this(2 Y cables) be the equivalent to the Stereo through of the Jamman? THANKS IN ADVANCE EVERYONE- HAPPY LOOPING!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 21:57:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA16355; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:57:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:57:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Stevaum@aol.com Message-ID: <769459aa.36f84f5a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:35:06 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Repeated messages Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 53 Resent-Message-ID: <"eaQmL.0.DL3.905-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Loopers, Regarding: Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 121 Subject: Repeated messages From: "Wordsman, Lee I know this is not what Lee was refering to, but I want to know if anyone else is bothered that so many people feel the need to include a copy of the message they are writing about. I stopped the option that lets one receive a copy of every email that is sent to Loopers Delight. I personally don't like the email clutter in my mail box, and prefer to just get the daily digests. I save every digest issue of Loopers Delight, but don't know that everyone else is doing that--but I'm assumming most do. So assumming that we are saving the digests, and we are intelligent people, there is no need to waste space by repeating the entire message you are writing about, as long as you reference what you are referring to in the beginning of your email message. As a bonus we would get more messages in each digest, without so much repeated text using up memory. I hope this doesn't launch an angry debate, i'm just expressing my opinion, and welcome anyone to explain why it IS necessary to repeat the messages! Stevo Wolfson - Electronic Media Artist sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO (visual) Pupaum (audio) http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html (computer art) stevaum@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 22:33:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA21396; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:33:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:33:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:59:13 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Repeated messages Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Resent-Message-ID: <"IWYKj.0.K74.QL5-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com stevo......ive always wondered that myself.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 23 22:44:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA22826; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:44:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:44:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:23:23 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36F84E83.19C8@earthlink.net> References: <199903232210.RAA18901@ligarius-fe0.ultra.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: EDPvsJamman Resent-Message-ID: <"B3ate3.0.is4.0h5-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Running your Jam Man in the stereo effects loop of your nightbass is a nice way to go, because it preserves the stereo effects. If the nightbass is like the SGX-2000, then the mono effect loop is before any stereo effects, in the chain. So, if you put your EDP on the mono effect loop, you won't be looping any any of your stereo digital effects, just your mono analog ones (at least that is how the SGX worked). You wouldn't be able to switch effect patches, w/o also changin your looped sounds. I prefer to use a mixer's effect send for my 'plex, so I can run the echoplex output back into the mixer input. This way I preserve stereo of my original signal (I just send one side of the stereo to the 'plex), and can pan the returning 'plex signal, or even send it to another effect (on another loop). - Chris >Since the Jamman doesn't really loop in stereo;is there any reason why I >couldn't duplicate my Jamman "experience"(currently in the stereo >effects loop of my Nightbass,while my EPD resides in the mono loop) with >another EPD a couple of Y cables and a lousy footpedal;) >In other words,would this(2 Y cables) be the equivalent to the Stereo >through of the Jamman? THANKS IN ADVANCE EVERYONE- HAPPY LOOPING!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 24 09:11:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA06788; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:11:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:11:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE75D5.3E381820@tor-usr30.060056.aracnet.net> From: Jon Grant To: "Loopers-Delight (E-mail)" Subject: PC Audio Software for Sale Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:03:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"ABsVL2.0.8w7.yNE-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, After revamping my studio, I have a bit of audio recording software I'm = no longer using. All can be used for basic looping, and have processing = built in, as well as Direct X plug-in compatibility. E-mail me off-list = or check the Cakewalk website for more specific info. Any offers will = be considered. FOR SALE: Cakewalk Pro Audio 6 (w. manual) Cakewalk Pro Audio 7 (w. manual) Also: Qsound Stereo Audio Processor CD (w. manual) - this has some = interesting 3D and spatial effects, and was one of the first 3D audio = systems around. Cheers, Jon Grant From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 24 09:01:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA05441; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:01:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:01:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990324081956.00f923f4@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: km15@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) -- [Cornell Modified] Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:19:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: kevin miller Subject: Re: chain tape update In-Reply-To: <8d54af38.36f83f2e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"4Fnaa2.0.D_7.wQE-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael, I'm interested, count me in please! Kevin At 08:26 PM 3/23/99 EST, you wrote: >so far ten interested parties in this venture.....several people expressed >interest but failed to give me their address.......please send off list......i >foresee an april 1 launch date.......take names till sunday.....get the >mailing list together......do my little ditty and blast the tape off........i >think there should be some time constrains on the length of keeping the tape, >perhaps 2-3 days max......i know it takes me at least 2 days to find a >stamp.......mention was made of keeping each tune to a certain >length.....perhaps by sunday when there eleven of us we can all do epics >:)........any and all ideas are welcome and >needed.......thanks..........michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 24 10:52:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA22078; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:52:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:52:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:17:47 -0500 (EST) From: David Talento X-Sender: legion@unix01 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: chain tape update In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990324081956.00f923f4@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"j2OAK.0.gA4.y8G-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've read this thread with interest and would like to point out something similar has been done before. It was pretty sucessfull so now it's grown and is a full international trading system using WAv and other computer formats to trade the songs. Check out http://www.eastwestcircuit.com/index_EW.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. Visit it at: Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/weird.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 24 13:52:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA25070; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:52:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:52:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <35f8d3bb.36f92e89@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:27:21 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: chain tape update 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"s_A_b1.0.cw3.lxI-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com like donuts at a policemans ball the spaces on the tape are going......we are now at 18 brave souls.....this could become an exercise in brevity or we can start a second tape.......please let me know.......we still have a few days to firm this up, as if there were somekind of rush........:)..........let the loops flow..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 02:43:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA25025; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 02:43:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 02:43:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:22:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? Resent-Message-ID: <"Q5abe.0.YM5.MIU-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com helpful tips from Matthias: >X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com >X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:57:14 -0300 >To: kflint@annihilist.com >From: Matthias Grob >Subject: Re: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? > >>At 8:24 AM -0800 3/22/99, Chris Chovit wrote: >>>You can use mutiple footpedals to control one EDP, but uou can't use one >>>footpedal to control more than one EDP at a time. (Unless you use the DPDT >>>switches, as Claude suggested, to keep the circuits separate.) >> >>Matthias modified an echoplex pedal to work this way. It's pretty simple, >>just use an opamp to buffer the voltage to the other units. Perhaps he >>could explain for you guys. > >Yes, gladly: It works reasonably with the voltage buffer. If fact I made >one for the keys and another for the FB foot controler. >I use a 3 pos. switch to control either one or the other or both Plexes. > >One disadvantage is that the keys on the front pannel do not work any more. > >Another disadvantage is that the control of both units is of limited use, >because they do not necessarily stay synced. I think it depends on the >phase of the software running in each machine (exact moment of power on, in >micoseconds). I did not find a solution for this. >So now I use MIDI if I want them in stereo and set the Pedals for the master. >If I want to use the units like two tracks, I disable MIDI on one of the >units (ControlSource parameter) and select the "track" with the switch. >Basically, you can do without the said preamplification. The only advantage >of the buffer is that I can control Mute on both "tracks" or fade them out >simultaneously. Record is not recommended for the mentioned sync problem >and the other functions probably do not make sense on two tracks, do they? > >The buffer is an OpAmp with the output tied to the inverted input and the >Footswithes connected to the non inverted input with a resistor of 4k7 to >+5V. >For the FB pedal I connected my fader between 0 and +5V and the slider >plain to the non inverted input. It should also work connecting just two >pins (low end to ground/slider to non inverted), while adding a resistor of >about 3k9 (adjust for the pedal range) to +5V. > >Happy soldering >Matthias > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 03:30:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA31285; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:30:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:30:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <98b73284.36f9ef35@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:09:25 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: physiology and sound Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"tck8x1.0.jB7.c-U-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does anybody know any good sights for looking up the effects of sound on physiology(from relaxing to disorientation) Feraliminal Lycanthropizer <~~~~this is an interesting sight to check out along those lines i want something more thourough(and specific)(i.e, "a 30.23kHz sine wave will produce X effects in humans....) rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 03:28:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA30892; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:28:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:28:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <5df4cc81.36f9ee96@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:06:46 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: fretless guitars? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"cYPWG2.0.e57.lxU-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone of you out there using a fretless guitar ive had one for a bit but the other day i restrung it and got it all set up i defretted another neck and im thinking about putting a metal fretboard on there(the woods a little on the dry side) so i want to know if anyone out there has done this if so, what type of metal, any tips, what gauge strings etc....... rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 04:05:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA02133; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 04:05:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 04:05:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36F9F592.323CD449@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:36:34 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: tape story References: <199903250805.DAA28341@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"spEIk3.0.If7.AHV-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wasn't really reading for a little time. Could a good soul with the required patience e-mail me privately the substance of this tape trading thing??? Thanx Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 09:10:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA31351; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:10:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:10:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990325132253.26193.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.94.66.242] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: physiology and sound Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 05:22:53 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"9rYAP3.0.hI6.2aZ-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com rodrigo, download the cool edit demo program. do a search in the help section for "brainwaves." there is some useful info in there... but it may not be as "technical" as you'd like. i'd cut and paste it here, but i'm at work. matt >From: Kriist@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: physiology and sound >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:09:25 EST > >does anybody know any good sights for looking up the effects of sound on >physiology(from relaxing to disorientation) > Feraliminal >Lycanthropizer <~~~~this is an interesting sight to check out along those >lines >i want something more thourough(and specific)(i.e, "a 30.23kHz sine wave will >produce X effects in humans....) > >rodrigo > > The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial message... Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 10:02:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA06087; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:02:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:02:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <006b01be76c9$4afd9770$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: chain tape Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:10:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"uM_g-3.0.Ps7.tLa-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm interested in making this a true chain or serial tape. Something that we do together as in the sense of later compositions are influenced by earlier ones. This distinguishes the project from a random selection of unrelated tunes by strangers. Here's an idea. To provide some unity or coherence among the participates of this project, we could try the following: 1) pick a theme or idea - I'd suggest expressing the theme or idea using a phrase of three words. Hopefully, it will provide a starting point but nobody will feel "hemmed-in." I got this idea from a local music co-op (the Friends of Bob see http://dcwi.com/~fobob/Welcome.html ). They have had "hoot nights" with themes such as "Indiscretions, Indecisions, and Institutions" and "Escapes, Exits, and Farewells". It seemed to work well for them. For our tape project this theme could be quite abstract. Some brainstorming on my part yields a) air, breath, or atmospheres b) colors, textures, and timbres c) pulse, beats, hearts 2) pick something from a previous composition on the tape and incorporate it in your composition - This could be a rhythm, sound, or motief. You wouldn't have to sample the actual item; a cheap imitiation will do. We could do 1 and 2. I.e., you can pick your own starting point corresponding to the theme as you interpret it; or you could pick something from a previous composition and interpret it as you like. My intention is not to limit or restrict but to have a thread of continuity in some sense. Does this idea appeal to anybody? Dennis Leas ------------------ dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 05:30:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA29327; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 05:30:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 05:30:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36FA5EF1.4ABF1249@spyral.net> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:06:10 -0500 From: fretless6 <144music@spyral.net> Reply-To: 144music@spyral.net Organization: 144 Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Digest, Zorn List" Subject: Theorcolus CD Release Party 3/31 Knitting Factory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SLUIDL: E7F97F00-E2BC11D2-B09200A0-249C8F8C Resent-Message-ID: <"aJxPm2.0.Gn3.t0c-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 144 Music Presents the CD Release Party for: "THEORCOLUS I" "if the Headhunters had backed up Sun Ra and Frank Zappa you would have Theorcolus" Wednesday March 31st 1999 The Old Office at the Knitting Factory 74 Leonard St. 212-219-3009 Shows @ 8:00 & 9:30 Tickets:$7 Featuring: Num Amuntehu-percuussion David C Gross-6 string fretless bass/electronics Peter Hess-reeds Trevor Holder-drums Eric Jakobson-trumpet Toby Kasavan-keys From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 05:34:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA30012; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 05:34:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 05:34:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36FA1251.D25ED36F@texas.net> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:39:15 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fretless guitars? References: <5df4cc81.36f9ee96@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ri9ME.0.C35._Qc-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com howdy rodrigo - i play 3 fretlesses: one is maple w/carnuba wax, one has epoxy coating on some sort of polycard, & one has a stainless steel plate epoxied over the previous fingerboard. i would highly recommend doing the steel on your next one, if for nothing else but contrast in tone. i've heard from some other folks (hi jeff & kungha) about aluminum fingerboard instuments but haven't touched one. i like the steel one enough to be making a fretted/frettless doubleneck which may be finished before i die. the steel fingerboard has a very sarod-like feel. the epoxy coating trick is also a nice way to get a different tone, kinda like playing on a glass fingerboard dotar, & a bit less involved than the steel thing. let me know what you do... bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 07:45:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA18999; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:45:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:45:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000e01be76ca$89419300$49c9f2d0@default> From: "ALTO MUSIC" To: Subject: Echo Plex Auction Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:19:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01BE76CA.886F00C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"cZF4L.0.SB4.0pY-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BE76CA.886F00C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guy's.....those of you who are in a real big hurry to get an = Echoplex, there is an ongoing Auction on www.auctionsoup.com and there = is a seller with one listed in the recording gear section. Other than that were shipping them as fast as we can get them. Alto Music ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BE76CA.886F00C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey guy's.....those of you who are = in a real big=20 hurry to get an Echoplex, there is an ongoing Auction on www.auctionsoup.com and there is = a seller=20 with one listed in the recording gear section.
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BE76CA.886F00C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 15:19:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA25964; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:19:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:19:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:09:01 +0000 Subject: Re: fretless guitars? From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"OwBmW.0.ne5.SOf-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: Kriist@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: fretless guitars? >Date: Thu, Mar 25, 1999, 8:06 am > > so i want to know if anyone out there has done this > if so, what type of metal, any tips, what gauge strings etc....... > > rodrigo try a set of flat (or ribbon) wound strings, these are much smoother than regular strings and will give you much less string noise. They are similar in feel to the strings on a cello. Martin Shellard ---------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 15:21:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA26248; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:21:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:21:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:07:21 -0600 (CST) Organisation: UMR Message-Id: <4.1.19990325135909.009c7cb0@mail.well.com> X-Sender: flawsjef@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:01:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeffrey Flaws Subject: Re: physiology and sound In-Reply-To: <98b73284.36f9ef35@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LtYtA1.0.iv5.hUf-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Another toy to check out, interesting piece of shareware and doc: (And a lot more affordable than a Feraliminal Lycanthropizer.) Peace ... Jeff At Thursday 3/25/99 03:09 AM -0500, Kriist@aol.com wrote: >does anybody know any good sights for looking up the effects of sound on >physiology(from relaxing to disorientation) > Feraliminal >Lycanthropizer <~~~~this is an interesting sight to check out along those >lines >i want something more thourough(and specific)(i.e, "a 30.23kHz sine wave will >produce X effects in humans....) > >rodrigo > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 16:16:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA02374; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:16:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:16:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: physiology and sound Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:57:31 -0800 Message-ID: <007a01be7702$19faa850$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990325135909.009c7cb0@mail.well.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"R5doq3.0.Fo7.eCg-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is this stuff for real? The brainwave generator has several presets to 'enhance psychic powers'. I tried it for a while, and got a headache. bIz > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Flaws [mailto:flawsjef@well.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 12:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: physiology and sound > > > Another toy to check out, interesting piece of shareware and doc: > > > > (And a lot more affordable than a Feraliminal Lycanthropizer.) > > Peace ... Jeff > > At Thursday 3/25/99 03:09 AM -0500, Kriist@aol.com wrote: > >does anybody know any good sights for looking up the effects > of sound on > >physiology(from relaxing to disorientation) > > Feraliminal > >Lycanthropizer <~~~~this is an interesting sight to > check out along those > >lines > >i want something more thourough(and specific)(i.e, "a > 30.23kHz sine wave will > >produce X effects in humans....) > > > >rodrigo > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 16:30:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA04648; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:30:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:30:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36FAA3FD.AC026F9C@sfsu.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:00:45 -0800 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: chain tape References: <006b01be76c9$4afd9770$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G3Bf_3.0.kB.qKg-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The idea appeals to me, but kind of as a second time around. The first time, I think I'd rather hear a random selection of unrelated tunes by strangers. Nobody said there just has to be this one, though. We could do both! matt Dennis W. Leas wrote: > I'm interested in making this a true chain or serial tape. Something that > we do together as in the sense of later compositions are influenced by > earlier ones. This distinguishes the project from a random selection of > unrelated tunes by strangers. > > Here's an idea. To provide some unity or coherence among the participates > of this project, we could try the following: > > 1) pick a theme or idea - I'd suggest expressing the theme or idea using a > phrase of three words. Hopefully, it will provide a starting point but > nobody will feel "hemmed-in." I got this idea from a local music co-op (the > Friends of Bob see http://dcwi.com/~fobob/Welcome.html ). They have had > "hoot nights" with themes such as "Indiscretions, Indecisions, and > Institutions" and "Escapes, Exits, and Farewells". It seemed to work well > for them. For our tape project this theme could be quite abstract. Some > brainstorming on my part yields > a) air, breath, or atmospheres > b) colors, textures, and timbres > c) pulse, beats, hearts > > 2) pick something from a previous composition on the tape and incorporate it > in your composition - This could be a rhythm, sound, or motief. You > wouldn't have to sample the actual item; a cheap imitiation will do. > > We could do 1 and 2. I.e., you can pick your own starting point > corresponding to the theme as you interpret it; or you could pick something > from a previous composition and interpret it as you like. > > My intention is not to limit or restrict but to have a thread of continuity > in some sense. > > Does this idea appeal to anybody? > > Dennis Leas > ------------------ > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 17:37:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA15643; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:37:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:37:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <36FA2FD7.5298B4A5@csi.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:45:11 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: physiology and sound References: <98b73284.36f9ef35@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jqlfG3.0.jW3.eYh-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't mean to be rude but most of that stuff is snake-oil at best. Just a warning before you go out and purchase a brainwave synchronizer or something ;-). Sorta reminds me of high school kids trying to put a curse on their teacher using incantations from the "Satanic Bible" :-D. "One man's aural junk is another man's ear candy" -the man cable- Kriist@aol.com schrieb: > > does anybody know any good sights for looking up the effects of sound on > physiology(from relaxing to disorientation) > Feraliminal > Lycanthropizer <~~~~this is an interesting sight to check out along those > lines > i want something more thourough(and specific)(i.e, "a 30.23kHz sine wave will > produce X effects in humans....) > > rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 17:38:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA15847; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:38:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:38:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36FAB941.FEA3C45F@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:31:37 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: physiology and sound References: <007a01be7702$19faa850$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1LB731.0.WX3.wYh-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > ...I tried it for a while, and got a headache. whoa dude, all things in moderation... ;~) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 17:52:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA18579; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:52:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:52:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: , Subject: RE: physiology and sound Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:41:33 -0800 Message-ID: <000101be7710$a2933110$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <36FAB941.FEA3C45F@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"urSTn.0._-3.qjh-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I knew you were going to say that. Wait! It works! I'm psychic! I'm going to start my own 900 number business. bIz > -----Original Message----- > From: lance glover [mailto:baumhaus@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 2:32 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: physiology and sound > > > > > Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > ...I tried it for a while, and got a headache. > > whoa dude, all things in moderation... ;~) > > > lance g. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 20:16:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA14619; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:16:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:16:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: paulpop@ssnet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:14:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: fretless Resent-Message-ID: <"_B-nV3.0.UC3.Ivj-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wondered who had a source for commercially made/prepared fretless guitars From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 21:16:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA28885; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:16:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:16:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006d01be772d$5f68f420$411cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: fretless Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:07:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"svWHN1.0.vo6.6ok-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Vigier Guitars in France. http://www.vigierguitars.com Jeff -----Original Message----- From: paulpop@ssnet.com To: Loopers-Delight Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 8:13 PM Subject: fretless >Wondered who had a source for commercially made/prepared fretless guitars > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 22:40:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA07969; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:40:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:40:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Designify@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:30:41 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: fretless guitars? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"Kupkl1.0.ai1.i_l-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com on the fretless guitar thing... i have a fretless klein... it's got a slotted steinberger (composite) neck without the frets. if the metal fingerboards are better than wood, then i would presume that this one is in the right direction... but i've never REALLY put it to the test : ( of course there are no tape-wound double ball end guitar strings (if anyone knows of such a think PLEASE speak up) so i just use a range of nickel wound strings. blahblahblah From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 23:02:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA10957; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:02:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:02:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36FAB151.891EB79E@texas.net> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:57:43 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fretless guitars? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q6_aZ.0.wS2.tMm-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Designify@aol.com wrote: > of course there are no tape-wound double ball end guitar strings (if anyone > knows of such a think PLEASE speak up) so i just use a range of nickel wound > strings. > > blahblahblah i use plain piano wire & make my own double ball end strings by recycling ball ends from old strings & using solder to insure no unwrapping occurs, check it out. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 25 23:58:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA18424; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:58:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:58:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:46:46 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: fretless In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ITo7O1.0.i64.a5n-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 paulpop@ssnet.com wrote: > Wondered who had a source for commercially made/prepared fretless guitars Yaman, the guitarist with my band bought his fretless Strat-style neck w/ebony fingerboard from Warmoth. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 26 02:47:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA25694; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:47:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:47:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: apex.dp.ua: uuljubch set sender to agency@ljubch.dp.ua using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-Id: Organization: Valery Ljubchenko Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:06:24 +0300 (UKR) From: "Valery F. Ljubchenko" X-Mailer: dMail [Demos Mail for DOS v1.23] Subject: WELCOME TO YALTA'99!!! Lines: 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"2tqXS.0.1X5.1Pp-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WELCOM TO FESTIVAL "YALTA'99"!!! http://members.tripod.com/yalta100 Festival-competition will take place at the bank of the Black Sea. COMPETITION: At this competition could take part young singers, duets and groups until 6 persons specialised in pop/rock etc. Age from 16-29. Awards grand prix - $10.000, First price - $ 5.000 Second price - $ 3.000 Third price - $ 1.500 Also a special price for the best composition, lyric & arrangement - $ 1000 In order to take part at the competition you need to sent promo kit: 1. Recomendation letter from - club or studio or manager or producer. 2. Biography 3. Two black&white photos (or maybe color) - 10x15cm (glazy paper) and for acreditation at the competition two photos for every participant 3x4cm. 4. Copy of musical diplom (if you have it) 5. Cassette (audio) or CD with two songs that you show for musical selecting for jury. 6. Deadline for demo sending is 01 of June, 1999. Competitor must to learn one song in Ukrainian, if competitor hav't this song, so org. committee will sent it texts, songs, notes. Participant must to pick up one song. Artists-competitors paid their travel expenses by theirselvs. Org. committee will pay to competitor accomodation and food (three times to day). But if competitor will not come through the second level - his accomodation and food it will pay by himself. If we put on artists to guest's program - we pay back travel expenses, hotel, food and fee that we talk about in contract. In program of stars we invite only very famous atists, bands that are known by our public. If we don't know artist who want to take part in guest program - this artist must to sent us his best demo materials. We put those demos to the competition (selecting) in our org. committee. Also in demo kit artist must to include the size of his company, expenses by their travel from their country to Sympheropol (the city in Krym (which is situated near the Yalta city). With best regards, Valery Ljubchenko Director of IAA Valery Ljubchenko P.O. Box 28 62 Dnipropetrovsk 320 128 Ukraine Tel/fax: +380 562 35-27-63 E-Mail: agency@ljubch.dp.ua http://www.start.at/asdev From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 26 09:28:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA31063; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:28:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:28:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:55:17 -0500 (EST) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199903261355.IAA19296@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"tHt1B3.0.9b6.08v-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #107 March 25, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on the sixth annual Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival featuring the music of the artists who will be performing. The festival will be on April 10 in Huizen, the Netherlands at the Theatre 3-in-1. The feature CD at midnight was "The Infection of Time" by T-Bass UK. Alfa-Centauri : http://home.wxs.nl/~quantumproductions T-Bass UK : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html Upcoming events announced: Star's End Gathering XVIII on Saturday, April 24, with Lektronic Soundscapes recording group, Spacecraft at St. Mary's Church in Philadelphia. EMUSIC Events : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html Spacecraft : http://spaceformusic.com/spacecraft.html Lektronic Soundscapes : http://spaceformusic.com/leksound.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Robert Carty Dark Glow Darklight (Deep Sky Music) Richard Pinhas Iceland (Part 2) Iceland (Cuneiform) Spacecraft Planetary Orbit Spacecraft(LektronicSoundscapes) Steve Roach The Majestic Void Truth & Beauty (Timeroom) Urchin Crew Cut Urchin (Waveform) Paul Nagle Lore Lore (Soft Room) Robert Fripp 2002 Live in Argentina(DisciplineGM) 12:00 am T-Bass UK Storm Front InfectionOfTime(ThinkingMetal) T-Bass UK Tranquility Bass InfectionOfTime(ThinkingMetal) T-Bass UK The Infection of Time InfectionOfTime(ThinkingMetal) T-Bass UK Mariner InfectionOfTime(ThinkingMetal) T-Bass UK Ozone Park InfectionOfTime(ThinkingMetal) T-Bass UK Inferno InfectionOfTime(ThinkingMetal) T-Bass UK Four Wheel Jive InfectionOfTime(ThinkingMetal) T-Bass UK The Torch InfectionOfTime(ThinkingMetal) T-Bass UK Network of the Heart InfectionOfTime(ThinkingMetal) T-Bass UK Lovesong InfectionOfTime(ThinkingMetal) VA [Paul Lawler] Dead Roads Is There Anybody Out There? (Champagne Lake, SMD, AD Music) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will begin a month-long focus on British synthesizer artist Paul Nagle. The feature CD at midnight will be "Wavemaker" on AMP Records. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 26 09:34:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA31853; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:34:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:34:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36FB9797.16CB92E@columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:20:14 -0500 From: Morgan Lang Reply-To: mhl21@columbia.edu X-Sender: "Morgan Lang" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06C-NECCK (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: chain tape Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rlGgK3.0.UC7.uQv-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Dennis: I'm interested in participating in this thing, but what about pragmatics? For example, it would be convenient for the next person in the chain if all the previous people had identified (on some sorta chart?) what elements of what piece they had messed with and where the messed-with bit now resides in the mix. In order for this to occur the original recording would have to be accompanied by some sort of data sheet (or transcription) explaining what's going on in the piece. Furthermore, the more people who contribute to the tape, the shorter their contributions will have to be. For example, if 40 people want to work on a 90 minute cassette, each person will have only a little over 2 minutes to get to the point. In a way, this could be an advantage--we could end up with a very dense sound collage full of rapid transitions. Finally, three more considerations: (1) how will it be decided--and by whom--where the tape gets sent, what the deadlines are, that sort of thing? Someone will have to take charge, not only to ensure completion of the project, but also to prevent the list from being cluttered with messages like, er, this one. (2) Are we talking a cassette tape, here? I wonder how many of the interested parties have DAT machines and, if most of them do, whether it might be better to do the project on DAT? (3) People will want to hear what happens to their music as it gets passed along? Assuming the tape makes its way back to the original source (yourself?) would it then be incumbent upon that person to copy and distribute the final mix to all the participants? If that's the case, a "subscription" fee should be required of all those who want a copy, and that fee should be used to copy the tape via a duplication service. To make it easier on the person who has to do this work, contributors should send SASEs with their money, yes? Let us know what the master plan is and count me in! Best, Morgan Hamilton Lang From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 26 09:57:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA03449; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:57:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:57:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:18:02 -0500 (EST) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199903261418.JAA19926@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Resent-Message-ID: <"tCRdO1.0.-G7.FTv-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice for March, 1999. (Shows #104 to #107; 3/4/99 to 3/25/99) Reported in alphabetical order by album title. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net <== PLEASE NOTE ADDRESS CHANGE!! ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Various - The Ambient Expanse - Mirage Robert Carty - Darklight - Deep Sky Music Lambert - Dimensions of Dreams - Spheric Jeff Pearce - The Hidden Rift - Ancient Sun Richard Pinhas - Iceland - Cuneiform Ma Ja Le & Vir Unis - Imaginarium - Mirage Laocoon - Immersion - Parnassus Nump T-Bass UK - Infection Of Time - Thinking Metal Stratosphere - The Introspective Spaces - Amplexus Various - Is There Anybody Out There...? - Champagne Lake, SMD, AD Music Vidna Obmana - Landscape in Obscurity - Hypnos Cassiel - Listen/Move - Atomic City RAMP - Nodular - Manikin The Spirit Level - Of Earth and Sky - Neurodisc Redshift - Redshift - Champagne Lake Spacecraft - Spacecraft - Lektronic Soundscapes Various - Syntonic Waves Vol 7 - Spheric TUU & Nick Parkin - Terma (Fathom) Ian Boddy - The Deep (Something Else) Steve Roach - Truth and Beauty (Timeroom) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 26 11:42:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA20253; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:42:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:42:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <647ea1f2.36fbaddf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:55:11 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: WELCOME TO YALTA'99!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"5fm8u.0.fH3.nvw-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/26/99 5:45:35 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, agency@ljubch.dp.ua writes: << Age from 16-29. >> big sigh..........they dont like old people.........i cant remember back that far!....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 26 12:32:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA29466; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:32:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:32:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <26e4724e.36fbbb89@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:53:29 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: fretless Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"nDCz_.0.qU5._lx-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/25/99 10:56:54 PM Central Standard Time, alevin@DarkAether.Net writes: << Wondered who had a source for commercially made/prepared fretless guitars >> I think Carvin will sell guitar necks or whole guitars with fretless necks, they do bass necks fretless at no charge, so I'd imagine they'd do guitar necks the same. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 26 12:42:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA31450; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:42:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:42:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: fretless guitars? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:00:57 -0800 Message-ID: <001101be77aa$387240b0$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"KMCbb3.0.Ve5.6qx-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > on the fretless guitar thing... > > i have a fretless klein... > > it's got a slotted steinberger (composite) neck without the > frets. if the > metal fingerboards are better than wood, then i would presume > that this one is > in the right direction... but i've never REALLY put it to the test : ( > > of course there are no tape-wound double ball end guitar > strings (if anyone > knows of such a think PLEASE speak up) so i just use a range > of nickel wound > strings. > > blahblahblah > > I don't know if they make them for bass, but I have a string converter on my Steinberger guitar. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 26 13:04:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA03737; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:04:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:04:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <33dc5df5.36fbb933@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:43:31 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: chain tape Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"nSuCg.0.a55.Xcx-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/25/99 9:00:06 AM Central Standard Time, dennis@mdbs.com writes: << Does this idea appeal to anybody? >> YES!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 26 13:39:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA10564; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:39:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:39:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <26e4724e.36fbbb89@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:20:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: fretless Resent-Message-ID: <"I410b2.0.Mw1.m1z-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:53 AM -0800 3/26/99, Crossedout@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/25/99 10:56:54 PM Central Standard Time, >alevin@DarkAether.Net writes: > ><< Wondered who had a source for commercially made/prepared fretless guitars >>> > >I think Carvin will sell guitar necks or whole guitars with fretless necks, >they do bass necks fretless at no charge, so I'd imagine they'd do guitar >necks the same. my echoplex is fretless. I hear that the jamman, boomerang, and most samplers are too. sorry, couldn't resist. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 26 13:52:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA12809; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:52:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:52:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003101be77b4$69b76d80$1d73fea9@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <647ea1f2.36fbaddf@aol.com> Subject: Re: WELCOME TO YALTA'99!!! Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:13:54 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"GgPSo.0.gY1.9wy-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alas, no mention of what kind of firearms they'll allow musicians to have, either... Too bad about the age thing, too - I'm sure a bunch of us are just bursting with desire to sing Ukranian music. :) But, then again, do any of us actually have music degrees? There ARE times when I don't mind mass mailing through LD. This is one of them. :) Stephen Goodman * It's the Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 26 14:12:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA16028; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:12:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:12:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990326135137.007b3d70@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:51:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: fretless In-Reply-To: References: <26e4724e.36fbbb89@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"B87ZJ2.0.s93.uTz-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:20 AM 3/26/99 -0800, you wrote: >my echoplex is fretless. I hear that the jamman, boomerang, and most >samplers are too. > i don't know... there seems to be a lot of fretting going on around here about all of the above. m ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 26 14:32:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA19292; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:32:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:32:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3a518661.36fbde7c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:22:36 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: chain tape update Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"lsBmU1.0.uL4.Xxz-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com we are at 24 folks and counting.......we will add names till sunday for this go-round......if interested, please mail me off list......also let me know if you came on board and didnt hear from us yet.....i may have missed a name or two....thanks.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 26 15:12:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA25228; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:12:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:12:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990326195811.29981.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.76] From: "Joseph Buck" To: sgoodman@earthlight.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: WELCOME TO YALTA'99!!! Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:58:11 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"jbkRF1.0.8g5.kS--s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yo- I gotta tell ya, a heads up on events and gigs that we can participate in is welcome in my book.... 2 cents in, Buck >Alas, no mention of what kind of firearms they'll allow musicians to have, >either... Too bad about the age thing, too - I'm sure a bunch of us are just >bursting with desire to sing Ukranian music. :) But, then again, do any of >us actually have music degrees? > >There ARE times when I don't mind mass mailing through LD. This is one of >them. :) > >Stephen Goodman * It's the Loop of the Week! >EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 26 17:02:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA11427; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:02:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:02:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36FBF56D.C78C2456@Buddhas.de> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:00:29 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex undocumented features References: <2.2.32.19990317211859.00eb93f0@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 320024095934-0001@t-online.de From: Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de (Manfred Bohnhoff) Resent-Message-ID: <"T9DXM1.0.aA.0M_-s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, sorry, but with undo I need further assistance. Maybe I just didn´t get the hidden message, but -the memory usage of what I tried to do was positively not critical at all -In the manual, I couldn´t check out any interaction between undo and overdub except with undo as an alternative ending. This does not apply here. -your feedback point is not clear to me at all. I set feedback to full, that´s all I can tell you. Now what I tried repeatedly, I recorded a loop of 5 secs or so, then overdubbed it a few times in one pass or several and next I wanted to remove the layers I had overdubbed. This _worked_ but only in the way I described in my previous mail. I couldn´t really seem to control it. If, like the FAQ says, feedback is undoable, does that imply that each fed-back loop uses a "new" portion of memory and could that cause a memory "shortage"? But even if so, could that affect the ability to remove overdubs? My only guess is it that with pressing the button after some time, I maybe do not undo the last overdub but, instead, return to the previously fed-back cycles in the loop´s history before reaching the point where undo takes away overdubs. But I really wouldn´t say that either manual or FAQ point this out. Can you help? Manfred Kim Flint wrote: > check the FAQ: > > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html > > I think it answers you, if not let me know what should be added. It's still > a work in progress, I've got a bunch of old posts and stuff I still need to > organize into FAQ form. I can make particular items a priority if people are > having trouble with it. > > with undo, make sure you understand how it is affected by memory usage, > feedback, and the way you overdub. > > kim > > At 09:00 PM 3/17/99 +0100, Manfred Bohnhoff wrote: > >Fellow Echoplex owners, > > > >this may have been discussed before, so I´ll gladly accept any > >information source pointers. > > > >I am still at the beginning working my way through all my new plex´s > >features but I find that some don´t act the way the manual suggests. > > > >In particular, what I found out so far is that the SwitchQuant Parameter > >offers the tree values cyc, cnf, off instead of just on, off like the > >manual says. I have no intuition as to the meaning of these. > >Next, and more annoying, the undo button WILL let me erase layer by > >layer but not in the way described: long presses are ignored completely > >while short _double_ presses sometimes do the job and sometimes don´t. > >This seems to occur independently from where in the loop I am. Same to > >single short presses to remove the "tail" of the layer. They randomly > >sometimes work or don´t. > > > >Bug or feature? > > > >Is there an update to the manual somewhere? > > > >Any hints are appreciated. > > > >Manfred > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 > ATI Research kflint@atitech.com > http://www.atitech.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 26 20:44:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA23180; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:44:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:44:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36FC3446.23C9FB63@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:29:26 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop content alert References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5e1v3.0.f65.QF3_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > my echoplex is fretless. I hear that the jamman, boomerang, and most > samplers are too. can we close the loop on this discussion? sheesh! -lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 27 10:59:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA18659; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:59:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:59:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36FCFDFC.55EF68F9@apex.net> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:49:16 -0600 From: James Devillez Reply-To: grndflor@apex.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Short? in Echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cDuKS3.0.m84.4sF_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com good morning, I am new to your list and am looking forward to posts past and present..before I dive into my echoplex with a magnifying glass, I have a question that perhaps someone can better direct me to. At times my unit , when barely tapped will reset itself, just as if one turned it off then on again. I did expand the memory when I received it, so that would probably be a starting place. I though perhaps it was the plug itself being loose..but no..has anyone experienced this before? thanking you in advance. scott devillez From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 27 13:35:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA05184; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:35:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:35:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990327182556.10237.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.40.5.56] From: "Philipp Zuercher" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Trouble with Multiply Switch Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:25:55 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"-k8xs2.0.-21.3CI_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi there for about three month I have been an Echoplex owner , and I have just started using it for life performance as a solo guitarist and with my trio sometimes when I hit the MULTIPLY button on the footpedal, the device goes into MUTE state Is this a software 5.0 - or a hardware problem ? It only happened about five or six times since I have got the LOOPER, but you don't want this to happen on stage, do you...?! Could that problem and others be a result of hitting more than one footpedal button- - anyone having had the same sort of problem? Thanx an awful lot for your answer(s) Philipp - Switzerland Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 27 14:03:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA08475; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:03:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:03:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36FCFDFC.55EF68F9@apex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:58:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Short? in Echoplex Resent-Message-ID: <"2pPHb.0.Z-1.ugI_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oberheim service people mentioned such a thing in the past. It usually means you didn't put the cover back on right when you upgraded the memory. One of the screws is shorter than the others, and is supposed to go on the right side next to the transformer. If you use one of the longer screws in that spot, It will likely contact the transformer and cause shorts like you are seeing. Check that, and see if it fixes the problem. kim At 7:49 AM -0800 3/27/99, James Devillez wrote: >good morning, I am new to your list and am looking forward to posts past >and present..before I dive into my echoplex with a magnifying glass, I >have a question that perhaps someone can better direct me to. At times >my unit , when barely tapped will reset itself, just as if one turned it >off then on again. I did expand the memory when I received it, so that >would probably be a starting place. I though perhaps it was the plug >itself being loose..but no..has anyone experienced this before? thanking >you in advance. scott devillez ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 27 19:05:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA11025; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:05:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:05:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36FD71FB.3FB3F4D6@apex.net> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:04:08 -0600 From: James Devillez Reply-To: grndflor@apex.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Bret Subject: short? in echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h79361.0.ib2.36N_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I had put a long screw on the transformer side..thanks to all..time will tell now if it resets itself. james From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 27 18:55:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA09925; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:55:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:55:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36FD6F66.C3DAB2ED@apex.net> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:53:07 -0600 From: James Devillez Reply-To: grndflor@apex.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bret , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Short? in Echoplex References: <19990327220202.9392.rocketmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LHgKM.0.FL2.jxM_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bret wrote: James, You may have read kims comments about the longer screw. Not yet I'll look for his comment > Eventually I put in a SLIGHTLY larger fuse, and this seemed to resolve > the > problem. I'll remember that > Another area to check is where the power socket is > solder to the Printed Circuit Board of the EDP. I have > heard of these solder joints breaking and becoming > intermittant. This would have the symptom you describe > (reset when the case is tapped). Most likly the case (no pun intended, just came out of my mouth that way) I will look around there > > > My guess is the reset is due to intermittant power > somewhere from the input of the power cable to the fuse > to the transformer, to the input of the voltage > regulators, to the DC output of the voltage regulators. > An intermittant contact anywhere in this path could > have the symptom you describe. > > Good luck! I know this can be a very frustrating > problem. > bret > > --- James Devillez wrote: Thank you very much. I have used it all afternoon and it reset itself one time. then I moved the unit a bit and no problem Yet! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 27 22:57:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA07233; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:57:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:57:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990327182556.10237.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:00:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Trouble with Multiply Switch Resent-Message-ID: <"-ONAe1.0.0c1.rSQ_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:25 AM -0800 3/27/99, Philipp Zuercher wrote: >hi there > >for about three month I have been an Echoplex owner , and I have just >started using it for life performance as a solo guitarist and with my >trio > >sometimes when I hit the MULTIPLY button on the footpedal, the device >goes into MUTE state > >Is this a software 5.0 - or a hardware problem ? if it's a problem at all, it would be hardware, although I don't think that's what's happening: >It only happened about five or six times since I have got the LOOPER, >but you don't want this to happen on stage, do you...?! > >Could that problem and others be a result of hitting more than one >footpedal button- - anyone having had the same sort of problem? hitting two buttons at once is much more likely your problem here. If you press two of them at exactly the same time, the echoplex might interpret it as the wrong function. In the case on Multiply, pressing Multiply and Insert at the same time would cause it to think you pressed Mute. I just tried that, took me about 6 tries to tap them close enough in time for it to think I pressed Mute. That's probably what happened to you. Be more careful to tap the right button..... (It's an intentionally simple circuit, each switch swapping different resistors into a voltage divider circuit to set different voltages, which are read by an A/D. This allows for brainless footpedals with only a mono patch cord connecting to the rack. Unfortunately, pressing two switches together would put their respective resistors in parallel, causing the wrong voltage to be set. The software does debouncing and checking for these cases as best as possible, but Mult and Ins at exactly the same time would trick it.) The echoplex software is smart about the Overdub button though. When that one is pressed, you can still press the other buttons and get the right function. This allows you to do something like a sustain pedal action on Overdub, where you just hold it down as long as you want to overdub, and release it when you want to stop. All the time you are sustaining the overdub, you can still do other functions and they should work right. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 28 11:49:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA16113; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 11:49:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 11:49:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36FE5B63.97663FC1@columbia.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 11:40:15 -0500 From: Morgan Lang Reply-To: mhl21@columbia.edu X-Sender: "Morgan Lang" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06C-NECCK (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Why loop? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s-ZGk.0.a53.6gb_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, dear Loopers: Yes, it's question time! I just finished up a piece and was reminded of a question I meant to put to the list some time ago: why loop? I mean "why" in the fundamental sense of addressing what it is about repetition that's good. Is "looping" equivalent to the broader category of "repetition," or is it a particular type or method of repetition? Aside from the obvious mechanistic differences, are there qualitative differences between music that is made by repeating phrases in, ahem, "real" time and music in which repetition is achieved by looping? Are these differences audible? I would imagine from the responses to the "things vs. computers" debate that lots of people use looping devices in order to do solo performances in which multiple parts can be controlled by the performer. If the "looping vs. repetition" question doesn't interest anyone, maybe people could describe the enabling or limiting aspects of performing solo or in duos as opposed to ensemble playing where looping is rendered less necessary. Best, Morgan Hamilton Lang. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 28 13:24:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA01993; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:24:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:24:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990328132147.007a1100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:21:47 -0500 To: mhl21@columbia.edu, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Why loop? In-Reply-To: <36FE5B63.97663FC1@columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9nPav.0.j-7.I9d_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For me, one of the attractions of looping is best expressed by an analogy. When two halftoned photographs are superimposed, conflicts between screen frequency and angle show up as a moire pattern. Changing the angle changes the pattern; you're viewing something that's inherent to neither photograph, but is, rather, a product of combining them in a complex phase relationship. Some composers (I'm thinking of Steve Reich's "Violin Phase" and similar works as examples) have explored this sort of phase relationship with "real" instruments playing written parts in real time (or as Terry Riley has done, by writing the notes, but allowing the time signature to be random) but the precise nature of the repetitions coming out of electronic looping gear result in an entirely different texture, one in which absolute predictability (the loop) sometimes mixes with the completely unexpected (the interaction BETWEEN the loops) in an intensely pleasureable way. There's also something to be said for the psychoacoustic tension of anticipating the return of a sound; live looping involves constant manipulation of the loop, whether by filtering or by the introduction of new content to the loop saturating and obscuring the old content, so the listener (and in some cases the musician) can't be entirely certain that the sound WILL return. Our ancestors experienced religious awe when observing how the sun would go down at night and come up in the morning; the sense of anticipation they felt was powerful enough to lead them to worship natural phenomena. This is in many ways replicated on a microcosmic level by the loop, but as a powerful aesthetic experience rather than a mystical one. The emergence of new technology allows us to create input for our senses in ways that were not possible before. We have evolved culturally, developing the tools which make it possible for ONE MUSICIAN in REAL TIME to infinitely repeat and solo over the chords to "Freebird"... Oh well, Tim >I just finished up a piece and was reminded of a question I meant to put to >the list some time ago: why loop? I mean "why" in the fundamental sense of >addressing what it is about repetition that's good. Is "looping" equivalent to >the broader category of "repetition," or is it a particular type or method of >repetition? Aside from the obvious mechanistic differences, are there >qualitative differences between music that is made by repeating phrases in, >ahem, "real" time and music in which repetition is achieved by looping? Are >these differences audible? >Morgan Hamilton Lang. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 28 16:13:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA28307; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 16:13:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 16:13:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:50:01 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990328144116.007f7320@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:41:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Alternative to Double Ball end Strings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"o17Yb3.0.Fq5.hOf_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I highly recommend the clamping adaptor that Steinberger sells. I use one on my guitar, and it is the only way to experiment with the odd gauges that I need to use to tune in straight fifths. I think that it would be possible to use any clamping nut above (i.e. behind) the Steinberger/Klein nut. -Chuck Zwicky ........................................................................... But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on computers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 28 16:50:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA13668; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 16:50:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 16:50:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 16:27:33 -0500 From: Leander REININGHAUS Subject: New MOKA EFTI CD out now ! Sender: Leander REININGHAUS To: "Powerspot" Cc: Jonathan Brainin , Loopers Delight , Alan Hoover , John Peters , Peter Spoecker , David Torn Message-ID: <199903281627_MC2-6FB7-D8BD@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"BjF4d2.0.ea7._zf_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folks, I'd like to let you all know that NOW, my band MOKA EFTI prautli presentz = our 10th Anniversary Jubilee album " FATA MORGANA " ! ! ! = = = featuring CHARLIE MARIANO : alto sax HEINRICH VON KALNEIN ( Dave Liebman, Nguyen Le ) : soprano sax ROLAND SCHAEFFER ( Guru Guru ) := nadhaswaram The music is: European New Jazz, Worldmusic and Ambient at its best presenting some nic= e guitar loops and drummy grooves together with lots of realtime playing an= d improvisation. No headtripping ! Both for dancers and dreamers. the band is: Hannsjoerg Scheid : bass, guitar, vocals, programming Michael Wack : percussion, synthbass Ralf Goeldner : drums, percussion myself : guitars, loops " We'd like to take you on a journey through deserts and jungles deep into the ocean and out into the universe dancing, singing and smiling ... " Visit our website at : www.csc-music.de Mailorder and enquiries: info@csc-music.de or: michel-wack@t-online.de = or: LEALOOP@compuserve.com Hope you'll enjoy ! Leander From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 28 18:27:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA01421; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:27:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:27:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01be796e$87a42e80$294f9ad1@default> From: "Bill Cummings" To: "ASR-X List" , "loop dudes at looper's delight" , "K5000 Users List" Subject: Fw: Drum'n Bass questions - Amen Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:58:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"MfhsS2.0.Ue7.iPh_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WOW, I found out about a really cool software program today on the A3000 list (yup, I'm spying on em again). If you haven't ween AMEN, well you just haven't lived. It's seriously wicked. Just download it and play around with it, and you'll see. FREEWARE too ! Bill Cummings drums@myself.com -----Original Message----- From: Tom To: a3k-list@teklab.com Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 8:01 AM Subject: Re: Drum'n Bass questions - Amen >* From "Tom" > >Yep, Amen is one fucking cool freeware program. >It is uploaded on my site @ www.cheapnet.co.uk/tom/rouge/downloads.htm >I think it works in a similar way as the Loop remic function on the A3000. > >Tom. > > > > >>* From "Mark Hadley" >> >>A nice little program to get you going with d'n'b is AMEN. It's free and >>comes with an amen break!! and you can chop it up and sequence it forever >>very easily within the program, adding differing degrees of randomness etc. >>gives a good insight into one way to use breakbeats : there was a link to >it >>on that download page of Tom's that he recently mentioned. I don't think >>it's being developed any further though, shame. >> >>Mark. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The Yamaha A3000 Mailing List is a free service provided by TekLab and is >open to all members of the Internet community. For more information about >this list and the Yamaha A3000 Sampler, visit A3k Central at the following >web site: http://www.a3kcentral.com/ <== (Sample CD's and software TOO!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 28 18:37:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA03026; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:37:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:37:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:18:33 -0500 From: Leander REININGHAUS Subject: New MOKA EFTI CD out now ! Sender: Leander REININGHAUS Cc: Jonathan Brainin , Loopers Delight , Alan Hoover , John Peters , Peter Spoecker , David Torn Message-ID: <199903281818_MC2-6FBD-7172@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"QulHu3.0.R_7._ah_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folks, I'd like to let you all know that NOW, my band MOKA EFTI prautli presentz = our 10th Anniversary Jubilee album " FATA MORGANA " ! ! ! = = = featuring CHARLIE MARIANO : alto sax HEINRICH VON KALNEIN ( Dave Liebman, Nguyen Le ) : soprano sax ROLAND SCHAEFFER ( Guru Guru ) := nadhaswaram The music is: European New Jazz, Worldmusic and Ambient at its best presenting some nic= e guitar loops and drummy grooves together with lots of realtime playing an= d improvisation. No headtripping ! Both for dancers and dreamers. the band is: Hannsjoerg Scheid : bass, guitar, vocals, programming Michael Wack : percussion, synthbass Ralf Goeldner : drums, percussion myself : guitars, loops " We'd like to take you on a journey through deserts and jungles deep into the ocean and out into the universe dancing, singing and smiling ... " Visit our website at : www.csc-music.de Mailorder and enquiries: info@csc-music.de or: michel-wack@t-online.de = or: LEALOOP@compuserve.com Hope you'll enjoy ! Leander From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 28 18:41:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA03903; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:41:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:41:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003e01be7970$4ca2fa80$294f9ad1@default> From: "Bill Cummings" To: "Yamaha DSP List" , "Warren Bones" , , "V drums list" , "ugo" , "Toneshift List" , "Tip of the Day" , "Chris \"BassMan\" Carlson" , "Dan Ash" , "Eric \"Big E\" Reinken" , "Ken Bob Skjeveland" , "Lori Skjeveland" , "Me Myself & I" , "The Lemoults" , , "Steve & Deb Shulman" , "Skjeveland, Lori" , "Rubber Chicken Software Co." , "Robert L Cummings" , "Rob Seidenberg" , "Rhythm Magazine U.K." , , "QY list" , , "POELS Joel" , , "PC DAW List" , "Paula Mikesh" , "Mike Florio" , "Michael Levy" , "Marcy Kaye" , "Malcolm Doak" , "loop dudes at looper's delight" , "K5000 Users List" , "Josh" , "John + Diane Parada" , "JamesJ.MasonJr." , "Jack" , "Hugh Wong" , "Gene Lake" , "Gene Jackson" , "Ensoniq Tech Support" , "Eiki Matsumoto" , "dgoa" , "Deb & Steve Shulman" , "Dave & Robin" , "Databomb" , "CUBASERS" , "Cubase makelist" , "Cliff Cuseo" , "Chris Nefarium" , "Calvin Jones" , "Brian's alternate E Mail" , "Brian" , "Bobby" , "Bobby" , "Bob at the office" , "Bill Langham" , "Ben Scheuer" , "ASR-X List" , "Andy & Kris Grocki" , "Amy Lynn" , "A3000" Subject: Fw: [VS880] Fw: New virus alert !!! Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:10:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"DImIv3.0.fE.Qeh_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com watch out for this virus that's sent out in a word DOC file called LIST.DOC it's called W97M/Melissa virus . Bill Cummings drums@myself.com -----Original Message----- From: Ron Oslund To: TheBigList ; vlist Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 9:14 AM Subject: [VS880] Fw: New virus alert !!! >Hey y'all !!! > >Late breaking news !!! > >Be aware this puppy's out there, somewhere ! > >Peace... (\/) >Ron O >www.capitalnet.com/~reoslund >Songs of the Big Lists: CD 2, Track 12 >www.vmusicstudios.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >There are three kinds of mathematicians: >The ones that can add and the ones that can't >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > ---------- >> > From: Marita Näsman-Repo[SMTP:Marita.Nasman-Repo@DataFellows.com] >> > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 1999 10:55 AM >> > To: Oslund, Ron >> > Subject: Re: add english viruses >> > >> > This press release comes from Data Fellows. You have previously >expressed >> > interest in our products, or have asked to be included on one of our >press >> > release lists by personally giving us your e-mail address for this >> > purpose. >> > >> > If you no longer wish to receive our press releases, or your email >address >> > has >> > been added to our lists without your consent, you may remove yourself >from >> > our >> > mailing lists by replying to this message with the words "remove >> > " in the Subject line. >> > >> > If you only wish to receive our press releases concerning viruses, >please >> > reply >> > to this message with the text "remove " >in >> > the >> > subject line, and send a second reply with the text "add virus info >> > " in the subject line. >> > >> > >> > Media release >> > For immediate release >> > >> > >> > A new computer virus spread globally within hours of discovery >> > >> > Melissa virus infects Word documents, e-mails itself to other users >> > >> > Espoo, Finland, March 27, 1999. - DataFellows, one of the world's >leading >> > developers of anti-virus and encryption software, is warning computer >> > users >> > about a virulent and widespread computer virus found on Friday, March >26, >> > 1999. >> > This virus has spread all over the globe within just hours of initial >> > discovery, apparently spreading faster than any other virus before. >> > >> > The virus, known as W97M/Melissa, spreads by e-mailing itself >> > automatically >> > from one user to another. The virus activates by modifying the user's >> > documents, inserting comments from the TV series "The Simpsons". Even >> > worse, it >> > can send out confidential information from the computer without the >user's >> > noticing it. >> > >> > The virus was discovered late Friday evening European time, early >morning >> > US >> > time. For this reason, the virus spread in the USA during Friday. Many >> > multinational companies reported widespread infections, including >> > Microsoft and >> > Intel. Microsoft closed down their whole e-mail system to prevent a >> > further >> > spreading of the virus. The number of infected computers so far is >> > estimated at >> > tens of thousands, and rising quickly. >> > >> > "We've never seen a virus spread so rapidly," comments Mikko Hypponen, >> > DataFellows' Manager of Anti-Virus Research. "We've seen a handful of >> > viruses >> > that distribute themselves automatically over e-mail, but not one of >them >> > has >> > been as successful as Melissa in the real world." >> > >> > W97M/Melissa was initially distributed in an Internet discussion group >> > called >> > alt.sex. The virus was sent in a file called LIST.DOC, which contained >> > passwords for X-rated websites. When users downloaded the file and >opened >> > it in >> > Microsoft Word, a macro inside the document executed and e-mailed the >> > LIST.DOC >> > file to 50 people listed in the e-mail alias file of the user. The >e-mail >> > looked as follows: >> > >> > From: (name of infected user) >> > Subject: Important Message From (name of infected user) >> > To: (50 names from alias list) >> > >> > Here is that document you asked for ... don't show anyone else >;-) >> > >> > Attachment: LIST.DOC >> > >> > Most recipients are likely to open such a file, as it usually comes from >> > someone they know. >> > >> > After sending itself out, the virus continues to infect other Word >> > documents >> > which the user accesses, i.e. it is not restricted to the initial >LIST.DOC >> > file. Eventually, these infected files can end up being mailed to other >> > users >> > as well. This can be potentially disastrous, as a user might >inadvertently >> > send >> > out confidential data to outsiders. >> > >> > The virus activates if it is executed when the minutes of the hour match >> > the >> > day of the month - for example 18:27 on the 27th day of a month. At this >> > time >> > the virus will insert the following phrase into the current document >which >> > the >> > user has open in Word: "Twenty-two points, plus triple-word-score, plus >> > fifty >> > points for using all my letters. Game's over. I'm outta here". This >> > text, as >> > well as the alias name of the virus author, "Kwyjibo", are references to >> > the >> > popular "Simpsons" cartoon TV series. >> > >> > "The virus won't spread much during this weekend. We will see the real >> > problem >> > on Monday morning," continues Hypponen. "When a big company gets >infected, >> > their e-mail servers are seriously slowed down and might even crash, as >> > computers start e-mailing large document attachments without the sender >> > realising it." >> > >> > W97M/Melissa works with Microsoft Word 97, Microsoft Word 2000 and >> > Microsoft >> > Outlook e-mail client. It can infect both Windows and Macintosh users. >If >> > the >> > infected machine does not have Outlook or Internet access at all, the >> > virus >> > will continue to spread locally within the documents the user accesses. >> > >> > Data Fellows provides a free solution to the W97M/Melissa virus problem. >> > Evaluation copies of the F-Secure Anti-Virus toolkit as well as an >update >> > to >> > detect and disinfect the virus are available from the company's website >at >> > http://www.DataFellows.com >> > >> > Data Fellows is one of the world's leading developers of data security >> > products. The company develops, markets and supports integrated >> > anti-virus, >> > data security and cryptography software products for corporate computer >> > networks. It has corporate headquarters in San Jose, California and >Espoo, >> > Finland, with additional offices as well as partners, VARs and other >> > distributors in over 80 countries around the world. >> > >> > For more information, contact >> > Data Fellows, 675 North First Street, 8th floor, >> > San Jose, CA 95112; >> > tel 408-938-6700; fax 408-938-6701 >> > >> > http://www.DataFellows.com or info@datafellows.com. >> > >> > or >> > >> > Data Fellows Corporation >> > Mikko Hyppönen, Manager, Anti-Virus Research. >> > PL 24 >> > FIN-02231 ESPOO >> > tel s +358 9 8599 0513 >> > fax +358 9 8599 0599 >> > e-mail: Mikko.Hypponen@DataFellows.com >> > >> > http://www.DataFellows.com/ >> > >> > Note to editors: Screenshots of LIST.DOC, where it all started, are >> > available >> > on the Data Fellows web site at the Virus Activation Screenshots >Archive: >> > http://www.DataFellows.com/v-pics/ >> > At 15:21 24.3.1999 -0500, you wrote: >> > > >> > >> > ------------------ >> > Marita Näsman-Repo tel: +358 9 8599 0613 >> > Communicator, Media relations fax: +358 9 8599 0813 >> > mobile: +358 40 517 4613 >> > Data Fellows Ltd. http://www.DataFellows.com >> > >> > F-Secure products: Integrated Solutions for Enterprise Security >> > >> > >> > >------------------ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send an e-mail to listserv@emrmail.com with "unsubscribe >vs880 Your Name" in the BODY of the message. For HELP with all other >commands send an e-mail to listserv@emrmail.com with "Help vs880" in the BODY of the message. >For archives and other VS related info, go to www.virtualstudio.org. >Subject tags:[840][880][1680][GEAR][BACKUP][OT][NEW][PC][MAC][SYNC] From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 28 20:11:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA14336; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:11:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:11:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:49:59 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990328183158.007b93c0@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:31:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: New MOKA EFTI CD out now ! In-Reply-To: <199903281818_MC2-6FBD-7172@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TaNG5.0.as2.evi_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Charlie Mariano played on the Eberhard Weber album "Silent Feet" (ECM 1007 835 017-2). Just incredible. -Chuck Zwicky At 06:18 PM 3/28/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi folks, > >I'd like to let you all know that > >NOW, my band MOKA EFTI prautli presentz > > our 10th Anniversary Jubilee album > > " FATA MORGANA " ! ! ! > > > featuring > > CHARLIE MARIANO : alto sax > HEINRICH VON KALNEIN ( Dave >Liebman, Nguyen Le ) : soprano sax > ROLAND SCHAEFFER ( Guru Guru ) : >nadhaswaram > >The music is: > >European New Jazz, Worldmusic and Ambient at its best presenting some nice >guitar loops and drummy grooves together with lots of realtime playing and >improvisation. No headtripping ! Both for dancers and >dreamers. > >the band is: > >Hannsjoerg Scheid : bass, guitar, vocals, programming >Michael Wack : percussion, synthbass >Ralf Goeldner : drums, percussion >myself : guitars, loops > > > >" We'd like to take you on a journey > through deserts and jungles > deep into the ocean and out into the universe > dancing, singing > and smiling ... " > > >Visit our website at : www.csc-music.de > >Mailorder and enquiries: info@csc-music.de > or: michel-wack@t-online.de > or: LEALOOP@compuserve.com > >Hope you'll enjoy ! > >Leander > > > ........................................................................... But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on computers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 28 22:57:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA04009; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 22:57:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 22:57:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990328193528.00958b40@pop-server.san.rr.com> X-Sender: phv@pop-server.san.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 19:35:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Vigier makes fretless guitars In-Reply-To: <199903270806.DAA19921@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6x18v2.0.QQ.4Ml_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In response to the seeker of fretless guitars: Check out www.vigier.com. Their fretless guitar model is the Surfreter (or something like that). They use a metal fingerboard - made with some kind of alloy that they developed. I have nothing to do with Vigier Guitars. Heck, I don't even play guitar. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 28 23:28:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA08202; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:28:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:28:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Alan Imberg" To: Subject: Re: Why loop? Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:08:56 -0800 Message-ID: <01be7999$dd5a6a80$0d0dc0d8@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"mBk5t.0.JL1.ypl_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For me, the answer is multifold: 1) As a guitarist, I can create sounds available no where else. This allows me to color my more conventional, melodic pieces. 2) I can create unpredictable pieces that let me get so lost in the moment, it is truely blissful. The improvisational value of looping is amazing. I can continuously apply sonic layer upon sonic layer or I can stop for a moment and absorb what I've done and allow my previous input to dictate my next move. Again, I can get so lost in my looping that it feels like meditation. 3) Having played in my fair share of bands, I am finally able to have a creative outlet where I am self-sufficient. I'm not poo pooing bands. I enjoy human interaction but right now, I thoroughly enjoy playing solo gigs with my looping gear, my guitar, and not much else. -----Original Message----- From: Morgan Lang To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 8:49 AM Subject: Why loop? >Hello, dear Loopers: > >Yes, it's question time! > >I just finished up a piece and was reminded of a question I meant to put to >the list some time ago: why loop? I mean "why" in the fundamental sense of >addressing what it is about repetition that's good. Is "looping" equivalent to >the broader category of "repetition," or is it a particular type or method of >repetition? Aside from the obvious mechanistic differences, are there >qualitative differences between music that is made by repeating phrases in, >ahem, "real" time and music in which repetition is achieved by looping? Are >these differences audible? > >I would imagine from the responses to the "things vs. computers" debate that >lots of people use looping devices in order to do solo performances in which >multiple parts can be controlled by the performer. If the "looping vs. >repetition" question doesn't interest anyone, maybe people could describe the >enabling or limiting aspects of performing solo or in duos as opposed to >ensemble playing where looping is rendered less necessary. > >Best, > >Morgan Hamilton Lang. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 29 00:10:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA13610; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:10:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:10:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990328235311.007d3dd0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:53:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: Alternative to Double Ball end Strings In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990328144116.007f7320@POP.VISI.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"eqiix1.0.qm2.BSm_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I highly recommend the clamping adaptor that Steinberger sells. I use one >on my guitar, and it is the only way to experiment with the odd gauges that >I need to use to tune in straight fifths. I think that it would be possible >to use any clamping nut above (i.e. behind) the Steinberger/Klein nut. > >-Chuck Zwicky Right on, Chuck. Tim Diebert is building me a headless "stealth git" that uses this device. Mine is the Bastard child of the unholy union between an Ovation Breadwinner and a Klein. Having RMC saddle pups and electronics installed to use this as a VG-8 platform. Of course I'll use it to make loops with my Plex! Hasta -> Dr Rico From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 29 00:14:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA14143; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:14:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:14:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990329045353.10245.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:53:53 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Why loop? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"x1iK82.0._o2.dTm_s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm sorry Tim, but the correct answer is "Smoke On The Water". Thank you for playing. :) John > We have evolved culturally, developing the tools > which make it possible for ONE MUSICIAN in REAL TIME > to infinitely repeat and solo over the chords to > "Freebird"... > > Oh well, > > Tim === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 29 18:17:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA01544; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:17:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:17:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:51:34 -0500 From: Leander REININGHAUS Subject: RE: fretless ? Sender: Leander REININGHAUS To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199903291751_MC2-6FDE-3196@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"rydjg3.0.Cd7.MH00t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everybody, I've been playing fretless guitar for a while I took a Strat body with a sustainer on it and put on a fretless maple ne= ck with ebony fingerboard Warmoth made for me. It cost me around 650 Deutschmarks incl. shipping ( unfinished and without saddle ), so you can guess what it will be for you= guys in the States. I wouldn't recomend metal fret(less)boards, because ( to my ears ) they just sounded nice with plain strings ( like on sarods which only have plain strings ), but i didn't like the sound of the rattle they produce with the lower wound strings. You may compensate that rattling a bit with flatwoun= d strings but I still didn't like it. But that's a question of personal taste, I think. What I would highly recomend is a sustainer on a fretless guitar ! A few advantages: = 1. you can use whatever string gauge you like and just decide on sound, n= ot on playability ( esp. sustain ) 2. you can play sustained notes even on the higher plain strings, which otherwise are more or less useless, unless you press the string down and do slides with your lefthands fingerNAILS instead of fingertips (ouch!), like sarod players do. 3. you can produce real violin or ( with an old fuzzbox ) cellolike tones= ( which will sound like singing sawblade or doing something nasty to young cats until you mastered the intonation, hehe... ) By the way, if someone wants to go even deeper into the orient with guita= r, I know a german luthier named Eyb who builds real fine sitar-guitars. An= d the good thing is, you can order the bridges alone and put it on whatever guitar you like ( but has to be a flattop ). I bought one for 20= 0 Deutschies two years ago, maybe a little more now but is still a good dea= l. If someone's interested I'll give you the address. If someone's interested in fretless guitar on CD I can recomend three nic= e albums: 1. " Sleep my love " - Philip Catherine playing some pieces on a fretless= Tele ( but just on the low strings ) with Jasper van't Hof - keys and Charlie Mariano - Saxes and Nadhaswaram = - CMP - 2. " Fretless " - Turkish guitarist Erkan Ogur playing acoustic and electric ( with ebow ! ) fretless guitars with Philip Catherine again and Arto Tuncboyaciyan ( Night Ark ) -= percussion - Feuer & Eis - distributed by EFA ( probabely not available outsid= e Germany, but I don't know... ) 3. The first and second album of a french craftyband called " Philharmonie " = I don't know the titles, names of the players and label because these albums somebody taped for me and he didn't write everything down. I just remember it was a small(?) american label with lots of other interesting music; some rare tracks of known artists like, among others, Steve Tibbetts' first first album ( the one before " Yr ", which was just made for friends in an edition of 200 copies...) Hope you'll enjoy ! Leander From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 29 20:20:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA15608; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:20:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:20:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:22:24 EST To: stickwire-l@majordomo.netcom.com, taptalk@ari.net, Sticknews@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: CD Release Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 78 Resent-Message-ID: <"rsYQ63.0.zA3.u620t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Adelante" (Paul Mimlitsch - Warr=AE/Looping, Jody Janetta - Percussion, D= an Osterweil - Saxs), has just released our debut CD. I've put CD excerpts (= mp3 format -many thanks to Stick=AEmeister Greg Howard for steering me to a gr= eat Mac mp3 formatter.) on the CD info page. Check out: << http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html >> for soundclips/ info. Thanks. - Paul PS: If you want to read a descrition of the soundfiles (lifted off the web sit= e) read on: <<1) "Tapestry" excerpt (580k/ 1:15) - The first cut on the CD (9:47 playi= ng time), "Tapestry" starts off with a somewhat jaunty 3 note looped motif wi= th gradually building/ evolving morose undertones. As sax and drums explore t= he changing moods, the piece evolves to establish a more open, triumphant, fe= el, with the Warr=AEGuitar, Sax, Drums playing/ echoing melodies and counter melodies. This clip is from about half way into the piece, as things start= to open up. 2) "Traveler's Suite" excerpts - Track two of the CD (28:03 playing time), "Traveler's Suite" covers a lot of textural ground. Ambient/ soundscapes, "world" rhythms, driving fusion, all combine and evolve seemlessly to make= up the 4 sections of "Traveler's Suite". Excerpt 1 (840k/ 1:48) is from part = 2 of the Suite and features a "touchstyle" guitar solo and sax explorations ove= r a dreamy "Slit Drum"/ percussion/ soundscape/ "touchstyle" bass rhythmic texture. Excerpt 2 (1.6M/ 3:43) is the latter part of "Part 3" (the "spacey"section) of the Suite and features the transitional evolution into "Part 4". 3) "for S.P." excerpt (688k/ 1:28) - Dedicated to the memory of Master Percussionist Bill "Sonny" Perren, "for S.P.", the final piece on the CD (= 7:56 playing time), features orchestral percussion and haunting Pennywhistle ov= er an evolving ambient soundscape. This cut is from the end of the piece as things are winding down and fading out.>> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 29 20:44:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA18135; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:44:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:44:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370027DB.1295EDF2@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:24:43 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Alternative to Double Ball end Strings References: <3.0.6.32.19990328144116.007f7320@POP.VISI.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tzM301.0.4z3.9W20t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what be this clamping adapter? doesn't seem to be any info on the steinberger/gibson site... it would be nice to not pay double for strings that are a bitch to find for a change... Chuck Zwicky wrote: > I highly recommend the clamping adaptor that Steinberger sells. I use one > on my guitar, and it is the only way to experiment with the odd gauges that > I need to use to tune in straight fifths. I think that it would be possible > to use any clamping nut above (i.e. behind) the Steinberger/Klein nut. > > -Chuck Zwicky > > ........................................................................... > But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on > computers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 30 01:47:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA25860; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:20:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:20:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36F756C4.857B962C@texas.net> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:54:31 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Repeated messages References: <81187A52F28ED21197D200805FBB030F4AB648@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QfeHj3.0.lJ5.Giwzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i too am getting some of last nites messages this morning. is this taking looping a bit far? bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 30 01:48:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA17618; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:47:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:47:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:57:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Live Webcast Monday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"wKVUa2.0.-j1.BDezs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thats EST btw K Hi everybody-a somewhat late annoucement=A0 -please tune in :Monday, March= 22, 9 pm=20 L I V E M U S I C W E B C A S T=20 at http://www.konstant.com=20 Keenan Lawler's Science Project=20 The show will utilize live sampling and looping, incorporating the=20 simplest acoustic elements to storms of electronic noise.=20 Both live improvisation and composed music will be performed.=20 The show takes place at Artswatch, Frankfort Ave, Louisville, KY,=20 as part of the Macrotonal Music Monday series.=20 Webcast provided by shadowcast=20 Thanks Keenan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 30 01:52:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA17155; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:02:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:02:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990323001835.006b2168@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:18:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl?= Bonell =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E0s?= Subject: Re: an idea In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"K-7S12.0.i52.K4jzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 14:15 22/03/99 EST, you wrote: Good Michael !=20 I'm interested in this tape circle. (although, I'm going to upload some=20 *.mp3 files to my site too !, in brief.)=20 Are you, Michael, going to write down the=20 snail mail addresses ? Who is going to start the game ? Come on ! Ra=FCl. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////= //////// Ra=FCl Bonell Tom=E0s =20 http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/slollnoirc ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////= //////// From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 30 01:54:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA11690; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:18:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:18:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990323132107.007b8250@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:21:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: Photo Show Opening at the Brecht Forum In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-UpIY1.0.uB.qszzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com can someone point out the loop connection to me? At 08:42 AM 3/23/99 -0800, you wrote: >Photography opening: Mark your calendar >April 2, 6pm, The Brecht Forum, 122 W. 27th St. New York, 212 242-4201 >La Lucha Continua >> We Resist, We Re-act >> >> 2 Photographers: Celia Escudero-Espadas and Diane Greene Lent >> >> Two women with different artistic styles but very similar political >> views present La Lucha Continua; We Resist, We Re-Act. This exibit >> portrays the people in struggle from Chiapas to Brooklyn. The role of > >> the activist photographer is to give vision to the people's message. >> Throughout the world the people fight back, but the media often >chooses >> to ignor the protests. If they do see the light of print or >broadcast, >> all too often the action is characterized as "shades of the sixties". >> La Lucha Continua shows what the people have to say. Celia >> Escudero-Espadas of Spanish origin travels and photographs in Mexico >and >> Central America. As an activist, her photos are an attempt to foster >> social justice and develop understanding between different cultures by > >> elictiing viewer solidarity with her subjects. Included are images >from >> Chiapas of the indiginous people and the Zapitistas where they live >and >> struggle. Diane Greene Lent is a New York based photographer who gets >> out in the streets to make her images. Greene has also done some >> traveling and brings images from Chile, Mexico, El Salvdor and >Northern >> Ireland. >> >> Celia Escudero-Espadas was born in Seville, Sapin and studied >> photography in Madrid, Spain and in Maryland. She has been actively >> involved with the solidarity movement in Nicaragua, El Salvdador, >> Chiapas(Mexico) and the US. As a photographer committed to social >> isues, Ms Escudero has published photos and articles about AIDS, >people >> of color in the U.S. and indigenous people in numerous publications >> including the New York Times and Z magazine. >> >> Diane Greene Lent is a New York activist and photographer. She works >> with the Brecht Forum and CISPES (the Committee in Solidarity with the > >> People of El Salvador) and provides photographs and is the web >designer >> for both organizations. Greene studied photography at the ICP >> (International Center of Photography) in New York. She has published >> photographs in numerous publications including the Village Voice and >New >> York Magazine. > > > > > > > > >Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com! > ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 30 01:54:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA02544; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:53:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:53:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: DKirkdorffer@exapps.com Message-Id: Date: 22 Mar 1999 08:01:39 -0800 Subject: RE: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, cho@newdream.net Resent-Message-ID: <"JwG-J3.0.0_3.zDhzs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Great idea - however, I can foresee wanting to send a signal to multiple edp's at once. For example, running a single note through 3 different processors each resulting in a different effect, all being captured at one time into 3 different edp's. Maybe that would need an A+B, A+C, B+C, A+B+C Would this be possible too? David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Chris Chovit [mailto:cho@newdream.net] Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Custom Echoplex switching pedals...any interest? Fellow loopers, I am currently working with a pedal-builder to come up with A/B and A/B/C boxes, to switch the Echoplex DP footpedal between multiple echoplexi. Here is the problem I have with the A/B boxes currently available: 1. DOD-style boxes work adequately (if you lift the ground to the positve lead of the unselected output), but do not have LED's to show you which output is selected. This is a pain when I forget which unit is selected -- I usually hit the MUTE button to determine this, but this is not very condusive to performance situations. 2. Morley-style boxes (w/ LED's) do not work. At least this has been my experience. (Has anyone else been able to use these?) My (limited) understanding about this is that in order to use LED's in the circuit, you must ground out the postive lead of the unselected output. Since this is equivalent to hitting the RECORD button, This will screw up any loops that are going on in that 'plex. One solution that has been suggested is to use the switches that have a mechanical indicator (red button) rather than an LED. This is certainly a feasible, low cost solution, as these switches are apparently ~$25. Another solution is to use relays, instead of just switches. This is a more expensive solution, and requires power, but has the advantage of having easy-to-see (esp. in the dark) LED's. Personally, I would like to use different color LED's so make it really easy to determine which unit is selected. The design for the A/B pedal is complete, and the purchase price is ~$85. Is anyone out there interested in such a pedal? The design for an A/B/C pedal is currently in the works. This pedal will use a "latching" circuit. In this setup, there will be 3 switches, one for each output. By hitting one switch, you will select that output, and automatically deselect the others, thereby allowing "one button switching" between three outputs. For those of you using three (or more) echoplexi, you are probably aware of the "less-than-ideal" setup of using two A/B boxes to select between three units. Often, two button presses are necessary to switch, and there still exists the confusion of which unit is actually selected (since the LED pedals don't work). This latching pedal will allow direct access to each unit, and have LED's to show which unit is selected. I do not yet know what such a pedal will cost, but I imagine it will be in the $100 - $150 range. This is expensive for just a switching pedal, but it would be worth it to me. Is there anybody else out there that might be interested in such a pedal. Also, I have not explored this possibility, but I imagine it would be possible to create A/B/C/D, A/B/C/D/E, (etc.) pedals with the same type of latching circuit, to provide one-button switching. I don't imagine there are too many people using that many exhoplexi, but it is easy to see that the more units you are using, the more useful such a switching pedal would be. Using 4 A/B boxes to contol 5 echoplexi seems impractical to me, esp. for live situations. If anyone is interested in something like this, please let me know, as I can probably get them for better prices if I order a bunch. - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 30 13:47:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA14498; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:47:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:47:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37010324.9A4BCBF1@jps.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:00:20 -0800 From: mike barlow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: steinberger and GK2a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dCGaw.0.mr5.EJG0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know this may be a little off topic, but it concerns my main looping axe-a Steinberger GM series with trans trem. I want and now can probably afford to put in a Roland GK2A synth pickup-but where does the little controller box go? My guitar tech says the internal version will take up even more internal landscape than i've got. Any experiences/advise/ screams of offtopicness? any and all help/direction would be greatly appreciated. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 30 16:32:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA12914; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:32:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:32:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37013988.31C3@pop.interport.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:52:26 -0500 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fretless ? References: <199903291751_MC2-6FDE-3196@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9-WHt.0.Qn1.khJ0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com when you talk about a sustainer on a strat body are you talking about the fernandes sustiner or can you purchase sustainer pickups without purchasing another gtr? also are there any effects pedals that would give you sustainer like sound that you know off. I use an ebow but i want and am interested in more. thank you...jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 30 17:32:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA22531; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:32:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:32:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:59:54 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.dyn.ml.org Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: John + Diane Parada cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fretless ? In-Reply-To: <37013988.31C3@pop.interport.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"vc2AD2.0.KQ4.udK0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, John + Diane Parada wrote: > ...also are there any effects pedals that would > give you sustainer like sound that you know off. > I use an ebow but i want and am interested in > more. thank you...jp I don't remember what it was called, but I had the opportunity to play around with a Boss pedal that was a distortion/feedback unit. While not as cool a gadget as the Sustainer, it had a similar sound. One nice feature (or misfeature depending on your point of view) was that it'd only use the feedback mode while the pedal was held down. Unfortunately, Boss doesn't make these boxes any more and they seem pretty rare in the used gear market. I loved the thing and I've searched, but haven't ever seen another. Keep an eye out for an orange Boss pedal with Distortion/Feedback on the top (not to be confused with their orange Overdrive pedal) and give it a try if you find one. --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 30 19:58:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA10825; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:58:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:58:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:38:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: CD Release Resent-Message-ID: <"HKnD5.0.F62.uxM0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Paul, you didn't tellus how we can order this. patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 30 20:26:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA15522; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:26:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:26:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990331011628.11948.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.76] From: "Greg Sundberg" To: References: <8B57882C41A0D1118F7100805F9F68B50C8D8824@RED-MSG-45> Subject: Re: steinberger and GK2a Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:15:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"Yaoht1.0.hQ3.MVN0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Vg-8.com has the best info I've found on GK-2a pickups. A great site for guitarists even if you're like me and don't have a Vg-8 (but do have a GR-30). Check out the following: Internal GK-2AKit on a Steinberger: http://www.vg-8.com/mm/stein1.jpg http://www.vg-8.com/mm/stein2.jpg http://www.vg-8.com/mm/stein3.jpg http://www.vg-8.com/mm/stein4.jpg External on a strat http://www.vg-8.com/pics/gk2aonstrat.gif Hope this helps. > -----Original Message----- > From: mike barlow [mailto:mbarlow@jps.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 9:00 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: steinberger and GK2a > > I know this may be a little off topic, but it concerns my main looping axe-a > Steinberger GM series with trans trem. I want and now can probably afford to > put in a Roland GK2A synth pickup-but where does the little controller box > go? My guitar tech says the internal version will take up even more internal > landscape than i've got. Any experiences/advise/ screams of offtopicness? > any and all help/direction would be greatly appreciated. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 30 20:27:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA15778; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:27:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:27:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <70ad8687.370177c8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:18:00 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CD Release Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"rkvRW1.0.hX3.YXN0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/30/99 7:51:03 PM, patrick@his.com writes: <> As per the web site: Orders can be set up via email to any of the members of "Adelante" (pmimlitsch@aol.com, danoctave@aol.com, jjody@yahoo.com) or from Borders Books/ and Music, Princeton, N.J. (609)514-1478 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 30 21:21:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA22688; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:21:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:21:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37013FFE.215@inetnow.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:20:00 +0000 From: asciiman Reply-To: asciiman@inetnow.net Organization: f a h r e n h e i t ° r e t u r n X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02Gold (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Cummings CC: ASR-X List , Yamaha DSP List , V drums list , Toneshift List , "Chris \"BassMan\" Carlson" , Dan Ash , "Eric \"Big E\" Reinken" , Ken Bob Skjeveland , Lori Skjeveland , Me Myself & I , Roland VS Users List , QY70@onelist.com, QY list , pulsar-dsp@onelist.com, Mike Florio , MFLDVP@AOL.com, "loop dudes at looper's delight" , K5000 Users List , CUBASERS , Cubase makelist , Calvin Jones , Bobby Subject: Re: Fw: ZDNN SPECIAL REPORT: MELISSA RAMPAGE References: <000801be7b10$c4881b60$2a72c0d8@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"91po-3.0.PC5.uGO0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How did I get on this windoze virus list?? Getting all this mail re. M$oft viruses is a virus for us Mac users. Please don't send me mail re. things that do not concern me. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 30 21:46:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA26016; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:46:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:46:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:36:18 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, mbarlow@jps.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: steinberger and GK2a Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"YAjGP2.0.Z46.mgO0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com wow, thats odd i just put a gk2 on my GM i have the gm-pro so it has the preamp in there too what i did was moved my eq knobs(your tone knob i suppose) to where my single coil split switch was(which was a pain since i have th preamp) i had to file the hole out a bit to get it to fit thats leaves a PERFECT space for the gk2 i also drilled a hole for the split switch just under the new eq knobs spot it actually looks nice its not hard at all, im no good at that type of thing and i pulled it off goodluck rodrigo In a message dated 3/30/99 1:43:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, mbarlow@jps.net writes: > > I know this may be a little off topic, but it concerns my main looping > axe-a Steinberger GM series with trans trem. I want and now can probably > afford to put in a Roland GK2A synth pickup-but where does the little > controller box go? My guitar tech says the internal version will take up > even more internal landscape than i've got. Any experiences/advise/ > screams of offtopicness? any and all help/direction would be greatly > appreciated. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 30 21:52:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA26822; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:52:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:52:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <3e24c773.37018b1d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:40:29 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, psbuddha@texas.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: last bit of fretless talk, i promise Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"NEXKw3.0.iL6.SnO0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ok, last time here i did the carnuba wax on a fretboard and its ok still not good i got some stainless steel but im having trouble getting it on there perfectly i did it with about 15 capos and a few clamps all down the neck that gave me a few small waves mabye my metal is too thing its smaller than a 16th of an inch and pretty pliable(i can easily bend the whole thing) should i get thicker steel?, find a better gluing method? and last, my friend told me how easily he epoxied his fretless(bass) does that give a good sound? rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 31 01:20:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA01982; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 01:20:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 01:20:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000901be7b3b$073eddc0$a63e883e@mim> From: "Gary Bissmire" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:53:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE7B43.3EB001A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"VitcS1.0.-d6.YaR0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE7B43.3EB001A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE7B43.3EB001A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE7B43.3EB001A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 31 10:24:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA03310; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:24:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:24:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990331092607.009518f0@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:28:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: Re:sustain pedal In-Reply-To: <199903310811.DAA19755@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sU81T1.0.3L7.08Z0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I haven't heard it, but Tech 21 has a combo compression/distortion pedal that sounds like it might be likely to provide sustain and distortion not unlike the Boss pedal someone mentioned... MT From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 31 11:17:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA09863; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:17:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:17:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990331154431.4686.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.64.195.186] From: "ur eye" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: To VLZ or not to VLZ! (OT) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:44:28 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"AjhIJ2.0.CR1.GDa0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry, but you guys are my favorite...I have outgrown my 1202 and am trying to decide on the 1604 models. Is there a considerable sound difference between the 2 and would it matter if a I were NOT doing "professional" recording? What about routing options of which I am more interested in. I'm assuming the non-VLZ has 4(6) aux sends. Is it worth the $. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Dennis Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 31 12:27:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA24222; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:27:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:27:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903311641.RAA04807@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:40:45 +0100 From: Graham Pattison Reply-To: gsp@dircon.co.uk Organization: Standing Waves X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alison , Bob Ezrin <71673.3034@compuserve.com>, Richard Lewis , Bob Ezrin <71673.3034@compuserve.com>, Sue Littlefield , European Crafts , David Eisenhower , Crispian Mills , Dad , David Eisenhower , European Crafts , Alison , Jonathan Pattison , Dad , Victoria Pattison , Phil Taylor , Joseph Arthur , Sandy Hoover , Fulton Dingley , Fulton Dingley , Geoff Ingle , Jonathan Pattison , Joseph Arthur , Robert Richards , Crispian Mills , Neil Cartwright <"Neil Cartright"@sonymusic.com>, Loopers , Neil Cartwright <"Neil Cartright"@sonymusic.com>, Phil Taylor , Richard Lewis , Robert Richards , Sandy Hoover , "SKINPIG@aol.com" , Stig , Sue Littlefield , Victoria Pattison Subject: Home Phone Number Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NOHBR1.0.Iy3.N4b0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just Letting Everybody know my new phone number.. 0181 764 0052. Speak to you soon. G. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 31 12:48:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA28491; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:48:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:48:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370255F0.6605643@jps.net> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:05:53 -0800 From: mike barlow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: As usual-thanks References: <199903310811.DAA19755@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5-7sr.0.dD5.PUb0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks for the info and the links to the vg-8 website; they were both extremely informative.I still have some questions about how(and maybe who) all that stuff got stuffed in there-any ideas about an email address for the owner of that guitar? Is Tony Francil on this list? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 31 14:50:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA20036; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:50:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:50:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370272E4.4A155219@magelang.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:09:24 -0700 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: To VLZ or not to VLZ! (OT) References: <19990331154431.4686.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2Gj2K.0.J63.MCd0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I had a 1604 VLZ for a while, and it's excellent. The routing options are much more flexible than the older model. Now that the VLZPro's are out, used VLZ's should drop in price (I think I sold mine for $700 to get an 01V). jim ur eye wrote: > > Sorry, but you guys are my favorite...I have outgrown my 1202 and am > trying to decide on the 1604 models. Is there a considerable sound > difference between the 2 and would it matter if a I were NOT doing > "professional" recording? What about routing options of which I am more > interested in. I'm assuming the non-VLZ has 4(6) aux sends. Is it worth > the $. Any thoughts would be appreciated. > Dennis > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 31 15:16:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA24545; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:16:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:16:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <001001be7bad$d4b5de80$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: To VLZ or not to VLZ! (OT) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:36:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ivcXN2.0.of4.mhd0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't have a Mackie but I've been think of getting a 1604 lately so I've been doing some reading. Have you checked out the 1604 VLZ-Pro? It's a VLZ with a better mic preamp. More headroom is the new feature, I think. I was talking to the folks at Sweetwater Audio yesterday and they have them in stock now. Can you get non-VLZ's anymore? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: ur eye To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 11:17 AM Subject: To VLZ or not to VLZ! (OT) >Sorry, but you guys are my favorite...I have outgrown my 1202 and am >trying to decide on the 1604 models. Is there a considerable sound >difference between the 2 and would it matter if a I were NOT doing >"professional" recording? What about routing options of which I am more >interested in. I'm assuming the non-VLZ has 4(6) aux sends. Is it worth >the $. Any thoughts would be appreciated. >Dennis >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 31 17:07:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA10647; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:07:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:07:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370295EA.38DDF3B0@magelang.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:38:50 -0700 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: To VLZ or not to VLZ! (OT) References: <001001be7bad$d4b5de80$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L5mTf3.0._V1.pOf0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com granmamas has an overpriced used non-VLZ someone may want to negotiate for. (www.grandmas.com) Dennis W. Leas wrote: > > I don't have a Mackie but I've been think of getting a 1604 lately so I've > been doing some reading. Have you checked out the 1604 VLZ-Pro? It's a VLZ > with a better mic preamp. More headroom is the new feature, I think. I was > talking to the folks at Sweetwater Audio yesterday and they have them in > stock now. > > Can you get non-VLZ's anymore? > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: ur eye > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 11:17 AM > Subject: To VLZ or not to VLZ! (OT) > > >Sorry, but you guys are my favorite...I have outgrown my 1202 and am > >trying to decide on the 1604 models. Is there a considerable sound > >difference between the 2 and would it matter if a I were NOT doing > >"professional" recording? What about routing options of which I am more > >interested in. I'm assuming the non-VLZ has 4(6) aux sends. Is it worth > >the $. Any thoughts would be appreciated. > >Dennis > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 31 18:07:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA20318; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:07:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:07:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199903312248.XAA15562@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:47:14 +0100 From: Graham Pattison Reply-To: gsp@dircon.co.uk Organization: Standing Waves X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Transatlantic EDP Search Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tl7b03.0.tI4.rPg0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, just wondering if anyone has got any ideas where I can get an EDP from? I'm in the UK but am coming over to New York to do a show on the 14th at the Bowery is it agoo d place? Any help in locating one would be fantastic. I'm only over a couple of days 11th through 15th thats the problem. By the way the MPX G2 is fantastic, deep but great anyone thinking about bying should definately do it and definately get the foot controller. Speak to you all later Graham. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 31 19:13:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA29961; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:13:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:13:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: djdowling@earthlink.net Message-ID: <3702C0B5.3649@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:41:25 -0500 Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: steinberger and GK2a References: <37010324.9A4BCBF1@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1Hkw2.0.X36.p7h0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com mike barlow wrote: > > I know this may be a little off topic, but it concerns my main looping > axe-a Steinberger GM series with trans trem. I want and now can probably > afford to put in a Roland GK2A synth pickup-but where does the little > controller box go? My guitar tech says the internal version will take up > even more internal landscape than i've got. Any experiences/advise/ > screams of offtopicness? any and all help/direction would be greatly > appreciated. I use this set up myself and the solution that I've found is to place the control "body" on the back of the guitar‹i.e. opposite the pick-up selection switches. Placing this device here is the only sensible option for this type of guitar. It entails being able to operate the bank switchs and guitar/synth switch w/o seeing them, which I find to be no problem. However‹where the guitar/synth selector rubs against my body, it occasionaly switches by itself. If you use volue pedals to control your guitar and synth volumes then you can just tape this switch in the "blend" position. Best luck Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 31 18:28:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA23173; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:28:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:28:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37029EED.219@pop.interport.net> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:17:49 -0500 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: sustain pedal] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ptGgB1.0.-w4.nfg0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > I haven't heard it, but Tech 21 has a combo compression/distortion pedal > that sounds like it might be likely to provide sustain and distortion not > unlike the Boss pedal someone mentioned... i've also heard of COMPTORTION from tech21 the ads look really cool. has anyone played with one? anybody have any info about the moogerfooger. bob moog makes these things. well i really dont know enough to even describe but if any one does please do....jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 31 20:43:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA09966; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:43:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:43:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3702C73A.365736F9@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:09:14 -0800 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Jam Man Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VjeEA3.0.PM1.VTi0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all- i am expecting my EDP tomorrow but I also found a used Jam Man for $199 bucks- I dont know any of the specs but do any of you know how I can sus it out by turning it on? Does the screen show you if it is updated, or how much memory etc? I got an itch to buy it but I have heard about some update for it and that the zip mem is expensive for it as well- so if I knew how to assess it I just might end up with a Jam Man and an EDP at the same darn time! Thanks, Clifford From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 31 21:41:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA16524; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:41:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:41:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3702D53E.DFA2E8DB@texas.net> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:09:11 -0600 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jam Man References: <3702C73A.365736F9@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"znTpC.0.mA3.VLj0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i don't know the answers to your question, but if you pass on it, i'll bet lots of listers would be interested in it... bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 31 23:36:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA30222; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:36:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:36:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3702C73A.365736F9@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:59:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Jam Man Resent-Message-ID: <"nKgIv2.0.OH6.Z-k0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hi all- > >i am expecting my EDP tomorrow but I also found a used Jam Man for $199 >bucks- I dont know any of the specs but do any of you know how I can sus >it out by turning it on? Does the screen show you if it is updated, or >how much memory etc? I got an itch to buy it but I have heard about some >update for it and that the zip mem is expensive for it as well- so if I >knew how to assess it I just might end up with a Jam Man and an EDP at >the same darn time! > >Thanks, > >Clifford Cliford, Memory is not expensive. turn it on, press "TAP" let i roll. if it stops in 8 seconds you have eight seconds. If ti keeps going you hav a maxxed out 32 secundos. patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 31 23:46:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA32000; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:46:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:46:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990331154431.4686.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:09:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: To VLZ or not to VLZ! (OT) Resent-Message-ID: <"CzLcX1.0.Uc6.n7l0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Sorry, but you guys are my favorite...I have outgrown my 1202 and am >trying to decide on the 1604 models. Is there a considerable sound >difference between the 2 and would it matter if a I were NOT doing >"professional" recording? What about routing options of which I am more >interested in. I'm assuming the non-VLZ has 4(6) aux sends. Is it worth >the $. Any thoughts would be appreciated. >Dennis >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I can't compare VLZ and non vlz, but I used a 1202VLZ for about two years and then picked up a 1604VLZ. What is great about this mixer for looping for me is that I have effects on the sends and my looping devices currently two plexs and a jam man, but at other times three jammers and a Time Machine on the subouts. My effects are coming back into channel strips and then by the push of a button I can sned anything, cleam siganls or effecte to the looping devices. I can even feed the looping devices to one another. Very very cool and mucho fun. BTW we are opening for Daevid Allen in baltimore at the Orion Progressive Rock Showcase on April 10th. Go to < http://www.progrock.net/shows/showcase/ for more information. Patrick