From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 10:40:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA14417; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:44:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:44:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361356E0.3E1215CC@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 06:18:08 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 References: <199809300706.DAA01628@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"leCqx.0.b53.VPr4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i found the manual in pdf at - http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/index.html jeff David Myers wrote: > >This new Zoom seems pretty good. I just downloaded the manual and it has > >some whacky capabilities. > > Can you give the address for the manual download? Thanks.... From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA22554; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:17:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:17:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36136245.9330F7B3@nyfac.com> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:06:45 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: Second Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings References: <000f01bded51$82fd1580$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CEvrV2.0.ul4.QSw4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For me, in heavy rotation: Codeine: White Birch Three Mile Pilot: The Chief Assassin to the Sinister Idaho: The Palms EP Thinking Fellers Union Local 282: Strangers From The Universe and obssesively, in a come-home-drunk-a-3:30-in-the-morning-with-work-the-next-day, but-you-have-to-listen-to-the-whole-damn-thing-before-you-go-to-sleep kind of way: Barkmarket: L Ron. How can one band rock so damned hard? hugs and kisses: trevor From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA17287; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:11:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:11:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:47:41 +0400 Message-ID: <000194B9.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"9W8Ld2.0.ku3.97z4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone else got ideas of unusual places to do it? Yes, I would really love to play in a Planetarium with all the stars projected and adding some fractal images to the "sky". Miguel From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA26375; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:06:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:06:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:26:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re[2]Unusual performing Places Resent-Message-ID: <"Eq_bP.0.X36.1xz4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Garrick wrote: >Anyone else got ideas of unusual places to do it? And then Migule replied: > >Yes, I would really love to play in a Planetarium with all the stars projected >and adding some fractal images to the "sky". > >Miguel FingerPaint performed at a planetarium on the Montgomry College Campus in Takoma Park, MD. There was also suppossed to be a laser light show as part of the evening. But we played there three time over the course of two years and never saw much of a show. The stars were kind of nice though. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 10:40:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA17027; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:46:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:46:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000f01bded51$82fd1580$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Recordings Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:38:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"OBlBO2.0.HY3.X0w4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I guess that our recent debate about the legalities of sampling took the wind out of the list. So, since there have been very few posts to LD, what recordings can everyone recommend? Lately, I've been listening to: "Forever Sharp and Vivid" by David Torn (guitar), Chris Massey (drums) and David Castiglione (bass clarinet and sax). "Unfolded Like Staircase" by Discipline (a Detroit area band that sounds like Genesis and Gentle Giant circa 1974) "Rhinoplasty" by Primus Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA32372; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:25:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:25:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810011634.MAA15411@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"Y5gTO3.0.KU7.SWx4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been listening to Jeff Pearce - Vestiges breathtakingly beautiful soundscapes Sabot - A great band from Boston, dark, eerie, a bit like King Crimson's Islands Fingerpaint- Blue the sound of machines vreating the universe Beatles - Revolver Michelle Abby w/ Doug Robinson - Spinner sort of Laura Nyro meets Rickie Lee Jones w/ a jazzier George MArtin producing Faith and Disease - Insularia more haunting dark gothy folkish stuff Frank Gerace Dreamchild At 11:38 AM 10/1/98 -0400, you wrote: >I guess that our recent debate about the legalities of sampling took the >wind out of the list. > >So, since there have been very few posts to LD, what recordings can everyone >recommend? > >Lately, I've been listening to: > >"Forever Sharp and Vivid" by David Torn (guitar), Chris Massey (drums) and >David Castiglione (bass clarinet and sax). > >"Unfolded Like Staircase" by Discipline (a Detroit area band that sounds >like Genesis and Gentle Giant circa 1974) > >"Rhinoplasty" by Primus > >Mark Kata >Mark@asisoftware.com > > > > From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 11:05:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA03448; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:50:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:50:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3613BEA4.2A949AA@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:40:52 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148 References: <199810010707.DAA31965@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sKUct.0.KM.Pux4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Dave + other interested parties > > Can you give the address for the manual download? Thanks.... > > It's at http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/index.html Look in the news section where there's a press release and a .pdf formatted manual, (acrobat format) From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 11:53:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA04692; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:58:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3613BFE6.890978E@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:46:14 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148 References: <199810010707.DAA31965@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lyxSd.0.NZ.Nzx4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I forgot to say, I'm going to try one of these Zooms next monday. so I'll give you a short review if you like. Scanning through some of the past year's digests I was particularly intrigued by some mention of loopisms in unusual venues. There's a cave complex quite near where I live and I've always wanted to do a really atmospheric gig there. I might look into it, (the idea, not the cave). Anyone else got ideas of unusual places to do it? From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 11:53:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA05777; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:04:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:04:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3613C2ED.D3DCE70F@texas.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:59:13 -0500 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings References: <000f01bded51$82fd1580$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S137_.0.Y_.48y4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well mark - here's what i've been listening to; some loopy, some not: i've been spending time with Seven Veils by robert rich (d. torn on 2 tracks). very dreamy, very dark. the latest madeski-martin-wood, Combustication, is nice. i don't know if i like the turntable stuff, though; hiphop music culture isn't my bag, i think it's a little too trendy. (i guess i'll get a bunch of mail about that comment being close-minded or whatever. sorry. not saying it's bad, just saying it's not for me.) i've been listening to some older stuff too: Dream by u. srinivas, michael brook, et al, almost never leaves my cd tray. golly. the 1st steve tibbets on cuneiform is fun. i just got it & never knew that he was such a rock-god style player. hendrix, mclaughlin, & page influences all over his sleeve. Homage To Our Guru by aashish khan & indranil bhattacharya is some amazing raga duet. sarod vs. sitar reminiscent of ravi & ali akbar in the 50's & 60's. that's my 2 cents! bobdog From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 11:53:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA11024; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:32:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:32:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:22:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"Mby2C1.0.bx1.OQy4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I guess that our recent debate about the legalities of sampling took the >wind out of the list. > >So, since there have been very few posts to LD, what recordings can everyone >recommend? > My recent faves have been, in no particular order: DJ Spooky: Riddim Warfare - Finally, his second "official" full length, after various samplers, remixes and limited-release art projects. Much more hip hop and less ambient than "Songs of a Dead Dreamer", with occaisional raps by Kool Keith and Sir Menelik. A very good hip hop record, perhaps equal to PE's "Fear of a Black Planet". He's playing nearby in a few weeks, and I'll be there. Shudder To Think: the soundtrack to High Art - the guitarist I play with is a huge STT fan, and I've always liked their stuff that he's played for me. This record is pretty surprising: dark, ambient guitar and vocal washes, some morricone-esquetrip-hop, and a couple of low key pop tunes. It's a really effective record, and made me want to see the film, which is also quite good. Henry Kaiser/Waddada Leo Smith: Yo, Miles - No looping here, just a very solid collection of '70's electric Miles Davis tunes, particularly from the more guitar-driven Jack Johnson through Pangea period. Kaiser and Nels Cline on guitar, Smith on trumpet, the ROVA sax quartet, Michael Manring on bass, and many others. This period of Mile's music is an enormous influence on me, some of the first improvised music I ever heard, and I didn't have very high expectations of this record living up to the originals, and, to it's benefir, it doesn't really try, it just uses the tunes as blowing vehicles, and sounds great. Hamster Theatre: Siege on Hamburger City - Probably the most obscure thing here. Dave Willey is an old acquaintance of mine I first met about 18 years ago when he had just graduated from high school, he was a phenomenal keyboardist and guitarist then. I kind of lost track of him after he moved to Boulder Colorado. A mutual friend sent me this, the new CD from his current band. Very cool stuff. Dave plays mostly accordian here and wrotes most of the material. It's kind of like a cross between some of Fred Frith's more avant takes on Eastern European folk musics, Bulgarian wedding music, and an almost Naked City-esque precision. Incredible fun stuff. All the more amazing, this CD was recorded live> Contact info: Hamster Theatre, 35047 Boulder Canyon Drive, Boulder, CO 80302, dhamster@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:51:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA15450; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:29:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:29:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: Recordings Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:28:43 -0400 Message-ID: <01bded71$b3b4cd60$221bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"d5cBf2.0.J43.htL5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, you've got my attention with all this recordings stuff. Here goes mine. Harras: with John Zorn, Derek Bailey, And William Parker Jim O'Rourke: Remove the Need Main: Hz Lots of Shred Guitar music Minus: Dave Trenkel's band Jeff Pearce: Vestiges There you go. By the way...does anyone else here besides me like MAIN w/ Robert Hampson? Jeff Collins http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA26285; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:06:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:06:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:56:10 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: Recordings Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810011556_MC2-5B44-A94B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"i54Ra3.0.Fy5.duz4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not very 'up to date', but anyway: after some time of moving around a lot I recently set up my old record player again and had a lot of fun revisiting early 70's British art rock (Colosseum, Gentle Giant, King Crimson) as well as some nice jazz stuff from that period (Circle: Braxton, Holland, Corea & Altshul; Vienna Art Orchestra). There is a lesser know outing in quartett format by pianist Bob Degen with Terumasa Hino on tpt where they are dramatically deconstructing an odd-meter ostinato into cacophony over a 13 minute period and still make it back to the head ('Children of the Night', ENJA ca. '78) that I always liked a lot.....hey, wouldn't it be great to have a looper that can (on command) apply some kind of variation to the material it is cycling - possibly reacting to what the soloist is doing? Can any of these computer based systems do things like that? Best, Andreas From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA31633; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:37:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:37:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981001132504.006c0270@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > X-Sender: cavaleri@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:25:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: Recordings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"KfLM-1.0.av6.3E-4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:38 AM 10/1/98 -0400, you wrote: >I guess that our recent debate about the legalities of sampling took the >wind out of the list. > >So, since there have been very few posts to LD, what recordings can everyone >recommend? > >Lately, I've been listening to: Thanks for bringing up the subjet.. Khmer Nils Potter Molvaer. This was mentioned on the "powerspot" list. I like this CD alot - Simply Wonderful Goldbug Ben Neill Triptycal Ben Neill Majorn Richard Horwitz & Susan Deyhim The White Rim of Heavan Brian Gingrich (features torn) joe From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA06040; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:12:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:12:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:00:06 -0700 Message-ID: <00130E6F.CE21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[3]: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148 To: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT), loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"_eBsT1.0.J01.2u-4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Miguel Barella wrote... >Yes, I would really love to play in a Planetarium with all the stars projected >and adding some fractal images to the "sky". Henry Kaiser does a yearly space jam up at Chabot Planetarium in the Oakland hills of California... He invites a few others to accompany the visuals. It's pretty cool. I have to say it sounds like a perfect context for loopers to me as well... It's worth asking the director or manager of a site if they have any regular events and the pecking order involved. It may be as simple as signing up. Many observatories and planetariums are school owned research facilities and non-commercial events are encouraged if they work into the schedule. -Miko From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA09389; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:33:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:33:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <98Oct1.162254cdt.26893@gateway.gibson.com> From: Dino Cattaneo To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Vision DSP free demo Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:22:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"iaezS.0.4w1.4B_4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For anyone interested in audio recordings on Macintosh, I just wanted to let you know that Opcode has a free Demo copy of the new Vision DSP on its website at www.opcode.com. There is no better way to check out new tools... From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA10648; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:41:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:41:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981001212759.00b9f790@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:27:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re[3]: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148 Resent-Message-ID: <"Cwjji.0.t_1.ND_4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:00 PM 10/1/98 -0700, you wrote: >Miguel Barella wrote... >>Yes, I would really love to play in a Planetarium with all the stars projected >>and adding some fractal images to the "sky". > >Henry Kaiser does a yearly space jam up at Chabot Planetarium in the Oakland >hills of California... He invites a few others to accompany the visuals. It's >pretty cool. I have to say it sounds like a perfect context for loopers to me as >well... He also usually is a performer at a yearly event at the columbarium in the Oakland Cemetary. An assortment of experimental musicians set up in different rooms and play throughout the day. I haven't been, but it always sounded like a great thing, with a lot of very interesting musicians. Intriguing location, too. It's really a very beautiful cemetary, with fantastic views of San Francisco and the Bay. My girlfriend drags me over there for walks sometimes. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:37:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA29471; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:48:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:48:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: aden@pop.ne.mediaone.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000194B9.4007@poyry.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:41:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Aden Evens Subject: Re[2]: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148 Resent-Message-ID: <"VDlbx1.0.mv6.KA15s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Anyone else got ideas of unusual places to do it? That would have to be up the butt, Bob. ### ## ### Aden ### ## ### From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA21584; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:47:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:47:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199810011634.MAA15411@user1.channel1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:41:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"3J4-Z1.0.1v4.2I05s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Recent favorites-all w/ much looping: POLE: "CD1" PLURAMON: "Render Bandits" and "Pickup Canyon" MONOLAKE: "Hongkong" VARIOUS ARTISTS (that's their handle): "Decay Product" MOUSE ON MARS: "Glam" LITHOPS: "Uni Umit" CARL STONE: emt 1196 AUTECHRE: lotsa releases From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:37:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA26687; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:24:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:24:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981001191633.007b09d0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:16:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: Recordings In-Reply-To: References: <199810011634.MAA15411@user1.channel1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mIX6m.0.ZD6.Co05s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Recent listening: David Bowie "Outside" Omnibus Wind Ensmble "Music by Frank Zappa" U. Srinivas "Modern Mandolin Maestro" Orpheus Chamber Orchestra "A Set Of Pieces - Music By Charles Ives" King Crimson "The Night Watch" Gov't Mule "Live At The Roseland Ballroom" S.E. Rogie "Dead Men Don't Smoke Marijuana" Bill Evans Trio "Sunday At The Village Vanguard" Country Joe And The Fish "Live At The Fillmaore West 1969" Sonny Sharrock "Guitar" James Blood Ulmer "Odyssey" Richard Thompson "Watching The Dark" Hasta -> Dr Rico From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:37:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA27287; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:42:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:42:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36144D06.502E@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:48:22 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZIIJC1.0.xQ6.Yc45s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lately I've found that, after spending eight hours in a record store, I'm disinclined to go home and listen to more music. So let me see if anything from work has caught my ear... -- UNKLE is the new project by DJ Shadow and Mo'Wax label head James Lavelle, with lots of guest vocalists. Some really good stuff on here; Shadow's work is about the most "musical" DJ/sample-based stuff I've heard, by which I mean that it's amazing how unified and cohesive he's able to make music constructed entirely out of samples of other people's music. There's a surprisingly strong prog-rock vibe running through a lot of this record, too (the main title tune sounds like some long-lost Rush bit circa "Permanent Waves.") Shadow's beat programming is always worth checking out. -- Heard bits and pieces of the new DJ Spooky album and liked it. The jungle tune "Polyphony of One" blew my *#&@^ mind. -- Ozomatli is an LA-based latin/funk/hip-hop conglomeration that produces some pretty happening and unlikely hybrids of the above influences. One of the more engaging records I've heard in a while, and probably the only group I've heard at all that features a DJ and a tabla player trading fours in their live show. -- Skimmed through the new Soul Coughing, "El Oso," and liked it a lot. The much-hyped drum & bass influence doesn't add up to much more than a proliferation of very tightly-played eighth-note rock beats (not that that's a bad thing), but it's still a very inventive and surprisingly accessible (though mostly uncompromising) disc. -- Massive Attack's "Mezzanine" is practically nothing but a collection of loops. Some of the tunes strike me as being more style than substance (I can understand why Rolling Stone described it as the "Muzak of choice of 1998"), but there's some very strong (and very dark) stuff on here. Probably my favorite "trip-hop/downtempo" record that I've run across. Pretty much everything else that comes to mind is either too far removed from this list or too uninteresting to comment on (I've probably heard the new Chris Isaak more times than any of the above, but such is retail life...) From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 01:52:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA18115; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 04:23:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 04:23:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36149B1B.781E4BE7@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 10:21:32 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: last listenings... References: <199810020705.DAA13401@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M5x3f.0.xJ4.uk85s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just discovered the BO of "crash", by howard Shore, mmm, dam... As well as the new michael brook/gasparian album (the later plays duduk and is armenian. It is on real world (I by the way thought they were defunct, obviously, they are not). this so bloody brilliant. ornette coleman's "tone dialing", fripp's "that which passes" (disturbing), two's "voyeur" (last group of rob halford, ex-judas priest). More later From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 10:56:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA24747; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:50:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:50:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3614ACD2.3E7421A@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 06:37:06 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: re: recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dacSr.0.Bs5.CnA5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I listen through headphones at work so I reached into my giant bag 'o tapes and came up with; Cannonball Adderly- these are on the same tape, great way to start the day Charely Parker Praxis - tyrinus mutandus(sp) Fripp - Blessing of Tears Bennie Goodman - various Tin Machine Roy Rodgers - Slidewinder Everyman Band Henry Kaiser - live at the Knitting Factory Butthole Surfers - the one with Kuntz on it, lotta looping on this one Space Grooves - Projekt Two Frank Zappa - The Greatest Band You Never Heard Stephen Goodman - S From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 10:56:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA23673; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:26:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:26:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001f01bdedf5$4d2b5da0$2f414382@hovard> From: "Thomas W¿hni" To: Subject: KHMER (Was: Recordings) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:10:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"x4MfB3.0.Ce5.2SA5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Khmer > Nils Potter Molvaer. This was mentioned on the "powerspot" list. I like >this CD alot - Simply Wonderful hey gang , I love Khmer too. Nils Petter and his band are among the top of Norwegian musicians. I`ve taken a couple of lessons from the main guitarist on the album , Eivind Aarset , and he is amazing. On Khmer you get an idea of his wonderful use of the E-bow. He has an album out now called "Electronique Noir" and it`s very modern. Trip hop and D`n`B with lots of great guitarplaying. Eivind uses a Jamman because his Oberheim Echoplex didn`t work properly. Probably the same problems some of the people on this list has experienced. Anyway , if you can find it I highly recomend his album , "Electronique Noir". Yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 10:56:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA29000; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:02:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:02:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:46:34 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJ Shadow/Prog Influence Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"eK2n13.0.no6.VpB5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was glad to see Andre LaFosse notice the growing progressive influence on DJ Shadow. On his last release there was a very interesting piece called "High Noon" that sounds like some obscure, unreleased fusion jam with Mitch Mitchell on drums, Keith Emerson on B3 and some unknown others. What is very amazing to me is that his conglomeration of samples sounds so well integrated and organic that you are listening to some very fine, well rehearsed band. Amazing stuff. It has the same visceral response as listening to Jeff Beck playing "Where were you?" or Allan Holdsworth playing "Road Games".. that you are listening to a master and there's no way in hell I'd be able to take the samples from 5 different songs and make a tune out of it. Latest listening: Shawn Lane/Jonas Hellborg - Time Is The Enemy Buckethead - Colma Anders Johannsson - Red Shift Western Vacation Ozric Tentacles - Curious Corn Robert Fripp - Gates of Paradise Aliensporebomb - unreleased current project. -t From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 10:56:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA03252; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:16:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:16:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <11b957d5.3614cf5d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:04:29 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"sWERA2.0.aU.0zC5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com oh, what the hell, my $.02.... - NAMANAX - "Audiotronic" and "Monstrous" - if you can hang on through the noise content, you will find some interesting drifting loops and sub-bass rumblings, courtesy of Relapse records co-founder B. Yurkiewicz and guitar- guru/producer James Plotkin.... - LULL - "Moments" - of course, if you just want the sub-bass loops without the noise, here it is, courtesy of PAINKILLER/SCORN mastermind Mick Harris.... - Chris Farmer - "Getting Warm on the Trail of Heat*" - might be hard to find, but some really freaky lo-fi beat loopage and experimentation from this Richmond, VA. local takes some very interesting turns.... first three available from Relapse - po box 251 - Millersville, PA 17551. The last one might be hard to find - if anyone wants a dub of it, let me know and I'll see what I can do (and in fact, the liner notes had a line about the absence of copyright and to dub for anyone who wants one, so we don't have to go into the copyright roundabout again...) * - and if anyone knows where the title reference comes from, please fill my dumb ass in. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 10:56:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA03413; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:17:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:17:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <5f7dc64.3614d0ab@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:10:03 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"4uMnJ2.0.Bd.u1D5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/1/98 6:49:59 PM Central Daylight Time, aden@who.net writes: << >Anyone else got ideas of unusual places to do it? That would have to be up the butt, Bob. >> escewing the more obvious responses to this in favor of a drier wit, I'd have to say that in the ear or up the nose would be MUCH more unusual.... - Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 10:56:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA19444; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:13:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:13:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: floyd@voicenet.com Date: 2 Oct 1998 15:05:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19981002150552.956.qmail@unix01.voicenet.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Digest Readers: Please Note Resent-Message-ID: <"ydaa31.0.EP4.1kE5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When replying to a post from a digest of the list, please edit the Subject of your message so that it reflects the topic you are rereplying about. Subjects such as "Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148" are utterly useless. Thank you. From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 10:29:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA12747; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:56:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:56:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: DainL@AustinTX.net (Dain R. Luscombe) To: Subject: FS: digitech hell Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:46:35 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19981005154537450.AAA176@sex.austintx.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"HFtfB2.0.nq1.5bE6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey guys I figured I'd give you guys first dibs on some looping tech. Kinda low tech but for you cheapo loopers it should suffice quite well. Digitech 1002 two second delay pedal: this is is the basic light blue 2 sec unit with two pedals, one to turn the effect on the other to hold the loop infinitely. has a range from 2 sec to 125 msecs. Digitech 20/20 two sec delay pedal: this is a variation on above, it is red and has the same specs but with an LFO to control delay speed, you control width and speed. You can get everything from flange and doubling sounds to setting a loop and having it speed up and slow down like a record player. I'd like to sell the lot for 75$ plus shipping for both units or cool trades for broken analog stuff. They both work although they are both old beat up and the switch contacts are dirty. They are fine for home use when you have time to press the switches again and again till they turn on, but not for live use unless you want to switch them on and leave them looping (as we are want to do anyway). anyway, let me know if you have any offers. Thanks guys. dain From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 10:29:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA16246; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:04:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:04:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: DainL@AustinTX.net (Dain R. Luscombe) To: Subject: more stuff to sell, sorry guys Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:54:28 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19981005155327997.AAA102@sex.austintx.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"36eUc1.0.Vf2.QiE6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I thought somebody might be interested in this as well... I just picked up a MOOG sequencer/midi interface (woa cool!) but, it only works with The Commodore 64 (what?) It also has 8 drum trigger outs and 4 midi outs. so it is really cool, plus its extremely mint in the box, with all the great moog literature (accessories catalog, warrenty card, list of dealers) I really don't think this thing was ever plugged in, as the software is still taped inside the official MOOG instruction manual. anyway, let me know if anybody wants this thing. Trades? BTW:you can get tons of commodore64 stuff on the net so if you don't have one they are like 20$ luv dain From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 10:56:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA08384; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:16:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:16:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD067EC46@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: moog website . . . neat new toys . . . ? Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:10:24 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"1CBD03.0.Sn1.BZG5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com in case y'all are interested: http://www.bigbriar.com/new.htm From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 11:12:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA15283; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:56:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:56:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000f01bded51$82fd1580$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:42:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"IHNyo2.0.V53.Y0H5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >So, since there have been very few posts to LD, what recordings can everyone >recommend? Currently in heavy rotation 'round here: Chocolate Genius' "Black Music" (feat. Torn) Massive Attack's "Mezzanine" Porcupine Tree's "Signify" Genesis' "Archive 1967-75" (A complete live 'Lamb Lies Down'! whoo-hoo!) Marylin Manson's "Mechanical Animals" and just arrivied today: Fripp's "Gates of Paradise" Forever Sharp and Vivid Eric Johnson's "Seven Worlds" all this talk of recordings prompts me to ask this list: anybody know where i can get my grubby little hands on the two Everyman Band albums? searching on the net has brought me nothing. anybody got an extra for sale/trade? later, murkie M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music i n t e r n e t : murkie@middlebury.edu http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:51:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA21635; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:32:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:32:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36152756.AA70861B@magelang.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:19:50 -0700 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , "motu-mac@cloudfactory.org" , news@macintouch.com Subject: faster hardware for Kyma Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SGuoj1.0.MS4.1WH5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those of you that are interested, Symbolic Sound showed some really fast hardware for Kyma at AES, details are at: http://www.SymbolicSound.com/press-AES98.html The short of it is: new price: $3300 base system: 4 Motorola 56309 chips at 80Mhz. (3 chips for DSP, one for housekeeping, each 56309 is 2.5X faster than a 66Mhz 56002) 96MB sample ram (24MB per DSP, that's about 3 minutes loop time at 44.1Khz) 4 channels analog/digital i/o standard 4 more channels optional. A/D, D/A converters 24-bit at up to 96Khz Loads of sync input (SMPTE, LTC, Word Clock, etc.) New expansion cards have 2 chips/48MB each Up to 12 cards can be added ($595 each). I'm pretty sure the 563XX series is what Digidesign is using in their new ProTools Mix DSP Farms. Jim From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:51:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA12963; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:37:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:37:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: Recordings Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:18:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bdee41$e4fb47c0$c332dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <199810011556_MC2-5B44-A94B@compuserve.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Lk-ZK3.0.A82.1KJ5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ah, I too must admit that I've not been to the store in some time... So what's been playing on or through my stereo in the past week, besides my stuff? Neil Young - American Stars 'n Bars, On The Beach, Zuma Iggy Pop - The Idiot (an excellent one IMHO) Harmonia '76 - Tracks & Traces (Eno with Cluster) and, to bring in Halloween season appropriately... Pink Floyd - Ummagumma (primarily "Careful With That Axe, Eugene") Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:51:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA25471; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:12:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:12:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <1b109416.36153d56@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:53:42 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"oNpka2.0.O64.pqJ5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com bill frisell - gone just like a train...a little whacky looping here and there spanish fly - insert tongue here....david tronzo on slide gtr., tuba, trumpet, drums....extremely whacky and fun music. reminds me of henry threadgill at times. eno - apollo...still and kind of creepy at times. great guitar textures by daniel lanois, who strikes me at times as a rootsy frisell. mike watt - contemplating the engine room - great cd. totally engaging. great bass playing from watt and gtr from nels cline who throws in the odd loop now and again. geraldine fibbers - butch...wow, hell hath no fury like a smart angry female singer. again nels cline plays everything perfectly and sneaks in the clandestine noise loop here and there. any nels fans out there let me know. i would love to own more of his stuff. =-) PJ From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA21332; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:46:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:46:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810012228.SAA13019@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Cc: "loopers" Subject: Re: Recordings Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:28:59 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nn0hx1.0.qR4.J705s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hmm... my listening recently has included: XTC - a bunch stuff, oranges, express, rag&bone PJ Harvey - new CD "is this desire" - great disc, cloudy, murky (murkie?) - and some cool loops Zappa - Mystery Disc - the new collection of 60s weirdness, orchestral music & oddities Lotsa Zappa in general these days, learning/soaking up for some shows...(sneaky plug!!) Gongzilla - Thrive - Lotsa cool looping, i think Torn is on this one.... excellent!! Elliott Sharp -Tectonics - his new one, cool drum & bass grooves with his crazy gtr Mike Keneally's brilliant new "sluggo" (get it. get it. GET IT!!!) throw in some Bartok, King's X, Marilyn Monroe (sic), Jeff Buckley's new one... peace, andre' Plug section: official PROJECT/OBJECT site http://www.jswd.net/projectobject [frank zappa tribute band i play guitar in - hey - we have 6 dates in OCTOBER..check em out!!] ---------- > From: Bobdog Catlin > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Recordings > Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 1:59 PM > > well mark - here's what i've been listening to; some loopy, some not: > > i've been spending time with Seven Veils by robert rich (d. torn on 2 > tracks). > very dreamy, very dark. > > the latest madeski-martin-wood, Combustication, is nice. i don't know if > i like the turntable stuff, though; hiphop music culture isn't my bag, i > think it's a little too trendy. > (i guess i'll get a bunch of mail about that comment being close-minded > or whatever. sorry. not saying it's bad, just saying it's not for me.) > > i've been listening to some older stuff too: > > Dream by u. srinivas, michael brook, et al, almost never leaves my cd > tray. golly. > > the 1st steve tibbets on cuneiform is fun. i just got it & never knew > that he was such a rock-god style player. hendrix, mclaughlin, & page > influences all over his sleeve. > > Homage To Our Guru by aashish khan & indranil bhattacharya is some > amazing raga duet. sarod vs. sitar reminiscent of ravi & ali akbar in > the 50's & 60's. > > that's my 2 cents! > > bobdog > From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA21333; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:46:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:46:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810012235.SAA15576@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Recordings Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:36:30 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"78DC73.0.Ml4.HE05s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > From: Dave Trenkel > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Recordings > Henry Kaiser/Waddada Leo Smith: Yo, Miles - No looping here, just a very > solid collection of '70's electric Miles Davis tunes, particularly from the > more guitar-driven Jack Johnson through Pangea period. Kaiser and Nels > Cline on guitar, Smith on trumpet, the ROVA sax quartet, Michael Manring on > bass, and many others. Including Medeski!! i forgot to vote for this one!! i've been spinning this a lot - great great cd - and Henry - as always has crammed 78 friggin minutes onto EACH DISC !!!! Another one i've been enjoying this week is LD member Frank Gerace & Cheryl's CD - great anachronistic stuff!! - this is what we'd get if someone arrived in 1565 with a roland vs880 and a vg8, and a earful of crimson,bach and hendrix!! Cool patches, Frank. very orchestral, well composed stuff with midieval (midi-evil??) vocals, sometimes rem of diamanda galas or dead can dance. peace andre' From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:51:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA14971; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:26:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:26:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36155FEB.21D30FBA@musician.org> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 16:21:26 -0700 From: eric potter Reply-To: eric@musician.org Organization: Hog Wild Music and Sound FX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: PDS 8000 vs. RDS 8000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9BIuH2.0.EH3.3yL5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everybody, Trying to decide between these two units, and I've never seen either one in person: PDS-8000 $150 RDS-8000 $125 The prices aren't that relevant, I'm wondering what all the features of the Rack DS I might miss with the PedalDS. I like the convenience and portability of pedals. Also , how does sample quality compare between the two? I'm actually interested in a lo-fi looping tool to feed scraps to my Boomerang and JamMan. What happens on each when you record a 2 sec. piece and crank it down to 8 sec, rate? Similar quality, or does is the PDS' architecture more limiting in it's bandwidth. Any other comments appreciated. eric p From ???@??? Sat Oct 03 15:41:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA08877; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 05:24:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 05:24:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <36156F90.6807707B@csi.com> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 01:28:00 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings References: <000f01bded51$82fd1580$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EvdPm1.0.ax1.RXU5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You don't get enough mail, eh? Mark Kata wrote: > I guess that our recent debate about the legalities of sampling took the > wind out of the list. You guys will probably be deleting these with hair-trigger response times by the time mine arrives, but what the hay, I've got time to spend and an esthetic-sense ego to feed: *Out Of Worship (Sub Rosa): gtr (and other stuff) player from Codeine meets a drummer/ percussionist with an fx rig (just my style) - great melding of styles - loops, drones, slides, Mutron, distorted bass drums ... *Pluramon - Render Bandits (Mille Plateaux): simply great crunchy sounding music - Krautrock/ hard disk session with structural depth *Im Memoriam - Gilles Deleuze tribute (Mille Plateaux): a year or so old, feat. Mouse on Mars, Trans Am, Alec Empire, Chris & Cosey, Oval, Scanner, Mike Ink, Christian Vogel etc. *Ikue Mori - Hex Kitchen (Tzadik): not brilliant, but interesting drum-machine-based samplage *UI - Lifelike (Southern): subtle but effective post(age)-rock, feat. two basses, electronics and a drummer with lots of other bits mixed in *Sub Rosa Underwood Sampler - feat. Scanner, Farmers Manual (great drum machine deconstruction!), Timothy Leary w. dj cheb i sabbah, David Shea, dj wally (cool) - this CD is CHEAP, so look for it *Dave Douglas - Sanctuary (Avant)- it taes a while to "get" this, but there is a lot behind it, similar in scope to "Bitches Brew" Rob(ber)to Batteria From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:52:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA11801; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:27:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:27:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: klaw@pop.iglou.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19981003020807067.AAA244@sex.austintx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PDS vs.RDS Digitech HEll and more listening lists Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:20:56 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <"5pTca1.0.9e2.8VP5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I did the same thing as your friend with the foot thing & PDS 8000 -It sounded so cool to start a break-At one point I had 2 of these & one 2020 -My pedalboard was like a seesaw board and about as heavy.Cant find them anywhere anymore -I sold mine when the Jam MAn came out. >Dif Juz - Out of the Trees (does anybody like these guys?) -I played in a dub expierment a few years ago with the bassist from Dif Juz& the drummer from Rodan.That was pretty wacky.Dif juz were pretty cool i thought -kinda hard to tag.JUst ordered a used Fernandes sustainer -any body here using one of these -comments? to me directly klaw@iglou.com. Hey since were posting useless info Alan Lamb -Night Passage*-Arnold Dreyblatt&Ochesrta of Excited Strings _Animal Magnetism*-some cd of Sudanese Java court music-*James Potter 7 Drones* You know Faust*Albert Ayler live in Paris & Lorach*Charles Ives -Symphony No 4 * This Heat -Made Available* KL From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:52:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA17202; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:05:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:05:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3615A1B3.6F2B@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:01:56 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings References: <1b109416.36153d56@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5voL4.0.8i3.sxP5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael Manring-Unusual Weather Andy Reinhart-Jason's Chord-great playing from David Torn and Mick Karn,unusual,profound,playful,intelligent songwriting. Jan Gabarek-Visible World Devachen;afro-asian flavored etherial pop from seattle John Pattitucci-One More Angel Annette Peacock-Nothing Ever Was Anyway Miles Davis-Panthlassa(Bill Laswell remix) Stellamara-Star of the Sea;middle eastern flavored,etherial pop Steurt Liebig-Pienso Oculto; Loopers Delights own! From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:52:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA19328; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:25:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:25:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19981003020807067.AAA244@sex.austintx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:15:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: PDS vs.RDS Digitech HEll and more listening lists Resent-Message-ID: <"Wylt61.0.AS4.iHQ5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Dif Juz - Out of the Trees (does anybody like these guys?) i LOVE Dif Juz! I never knew there was an album other than their first one. When was Out of the Trees released?!? Label? m M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music i n t e r n e t : murkie@middlebury.edu http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:52:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA32017; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:26:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:26:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981002231632.013cde10@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 23:16:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Recordings In-Reply-To: <3615A1B3.6F2B@earthlink.net> References: <1b109416.36153d56@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qiLAp3.0.PO7.B4S5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Today's rotation: My Bloody Valentine - Loveless Plasmatics - Coup d'etat WrekNet RealAudio - http://cyberbuzz.gatech.edu/wrek/wrek.html From ???@??? Sat Oct 03 19:08:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA30380; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:30:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:30:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3616B29F.F85D56F9@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 16:26:31 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings References: <000f01bded51$82fd1580$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> <36156F90.6807707B@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7u_Tx.0.xC7.y1h5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Cummings wrote: > You guys will probably be deleting these with hair-trigger response > times by the time mine arrives... likewise, but this week's flavors, anyway: Steve Reich : Music for 18 Musicians Mitchell Froom : Dopamine Buffalo Daughter : Rock Music Megasoft Office 97 (F Com. Compilation) Tom Verlaine : Warm and Cool Pell Mell : Star City Massive Attack : Mezzanine Wire : Coatings Lisa Germano : Happiness Bill Laswell / Miles : Panthalassa Thelonius Monk : Prestige Dates Beth Orton : Trailer Park Michael Brook : Albino Alligator (soundtrack) Nels Cline : Angelica Lou Harrison : The Perilous Chapel Tarnation : Mirador Morton Feldman : Routine Investigations, The Viola In My Life, etc. cheerio, Lance G. From ???@??? Sun Oct 04 13:30:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA09854; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:22:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:22:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002201bdef3d$64ac5120$3c4a8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: Recordings Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:19:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"dU43v1.0.UE2.Fcj5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Nels Cline : Angelica What's this? I've been meaning to get his trio CD's after hearing some of his stuff here and there, but I'm unfamiliar with this title. Is it solo stuff? Care to give a description? -Jesse From ???@??? Sun Oct 04 13:30:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA05537; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 05:18:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 05:18:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981004090338.23567.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.23.57] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Torn and crew on.... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 02:03:37 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"gJPuD3.0.591.tcp5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hola Groovers- So I am up late, 1 am , procrastinating on a poem and painting I have to get out, so I flip on the TV and lo and behold I see a concert/doc on Jimi Hendrix on Ovation. Running thru the empty spaces of my brain I realize that this is the gig that Torn, Mick Karn, Polytown, and some other interesting folk like Cassandra Wilson and Trilok Gurtu were at... Moments were really surprising, although the performances were edited. Really nice "Little Wing" with Cassandra singing, Torn on guitar and Karn on bass. Check to see if your cable or satellite company caries Ovation because they are running it again at: Monday, October 05, 1998 - 4:00:00 PM Thursday, October 08, 1998 - 5:00:00 PM Oh and its called: Voodoo Chile: The Music of Jimi Hendrix. Ovation has a website at: http://www.ovationtv.com selam, Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 04 13:31:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA05894; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 05:26:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 05:26:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <1f1a70ac.36173ce2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 05:16:18 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"YC3II3.0.nK1.7pp5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In my own heavy rotation lately: Kronos Quartet w/Wu Man - Tan Dun's "Ghost Opera" Wu Man & Martin Simpson - Motherless Child Wu Man - Chinese Music For The Pipa Led Zeppelin - BBC Recordings Bonnie Raitt - Fundamental Joni Mitchell - Taming The Tiger Forever Sharp & Vivid Woody Shaw - Cassandrite Ken R From ???@??? Sun Oct 04 14:18:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA26463; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:50:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:50:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Recordings Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:43:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bdefd7$a8bb5ba0$aec3efd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1f1a70ac.36173ce2@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"UNkjL1.0.CA6.5rz5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am a little ashamed to say that I haven' t bought anything new for a couple of years. Whatever I bought then didn't change my enthusiasm to continue listening to the greats. Although, I also confess to have been lazy to go the store and purchase the many many great records you all have suggested on this list. I am thirsting greatly for calm, meditative music in the vein of Eno, Tangerine Dream and others, where I can play them repeatedly without actually being aware of them. I'm sorry, but old Eno records are very obvious to me now. Anyway, here is my list of perennials -- I cannot get tired of listening to these records: * Genesis: Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, A Trick of the Tail, Wind & Wuthering, others * Yes: Fragile, Close to the Edge, Tales of Topographic Oceans, Relayer, some of Going for the One and others. * Emerson Lake + Palmer: Tarkus, Brain Salad Surgery, some of Trilogy * Premiata Forneria Marconi: Per un amico, Photos of Ghosts, others * Mike Oldfield: Tubular Bells 2 * Anthony Phillips: most Private Parts & Pieces, both CD and vinyl * King Crimson: Epitaph * Some compilation CDs my girlfriend has of Handel, others of Bach, Debussy, Satie, etc., can't get tired of those And keep recycling these: * Fred Frith: Gravity * Henry Cow: Legend * Michael Hedges: Taproot * Joan Manuel Serrat (from Spain): '74, '73, '75, most of his records * Allan Holdsworth: Most of his records * Steve Hackett: Watcher of the Skies, most of his records * Charley Garc’a (from Argentina): Oro, and most of his records * The Beatles: All their records (and most bootlegs) * Elton John: Greatest Hits ('74) * Uriah Heep: Firefly From ???@??? Sun Oct 04 18:26:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA16671; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:33:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:33:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: comdotatdotcom@csi.com Sender: comdotatdotcom@csi.com Message-ID: <361810AA.9549F509@csi.com> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 01:19:54 +0100 Reply-To: comdotatdotcom@csi.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PDS vs.RDS Digitech HEll and more listening lists References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zEsQ-3.0.Kj3.P316s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com wrote: > > > Dif Juz - Out of the Trees (does anybody like these guys?) > > i LOVE Dif Juz! Me too!, thought I was the only one also :-) I've seen them live a couple of times back in 1984. Strange bunch, they'd say absolutely nothing apart from "We're Dif Juz, thankyou good night" throughout the entire set.. just do a number, fiddle with FX setup for the next one, play it, and so on.... odd :-) Damned fine though. Cheers, Robin. From ???@??? Sun Oct 04 18:26:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA17066; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:37:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:37:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: AURALG@aol.com Message-ID: <13fb1e9e.36181269@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:27:21 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, kflint@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Last ditch effort Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"AR_1c.0.Iu3.8916s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Kim Thanks for your response the other day about my faulty EDP Called mike ayers and he had me send it to an authorized repair place, Triple S in NJ. The unit came back with the same problem. Those guys were completely useless. They say they resoldered the Ac connection, but that seems to be suspect I took it to Vince Gutman in Woodstock and asked him to go through it (not a warranty guy) but one of the best in the world. He builds stuff for God. This is starting to cost a bundle, but I need the unit He found all the AC related items to check out fine. He ran diagnostics on the RAM and it too was fine. He feels that it's a CPU/Clock related problem and is confident he can fix it, but needs to have schematics. Is that something you might have that could be faxed to him ? My tour starts on Tuesday, and Vince can repair the unit if he has the schematics on Monday AM. I figured you might have them or know someone who did. Torn tells me you're the man. If it's at all possible could you fax them to Vince Gutman at 914-679-4232 or to me at 914 679-4760. I'm sorry for the imposition. I hope you'll be able to help. I can get the unit to power up after about an hour of trying and it's completely random, therefore quite unreliable. Starting to panic, Kevin Bartlett If you need to call I'm at 914-679-4728 P.S.Thanks for any and all attention you can give this. From ???@??? Sun Oct 04 18:26:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA15876; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:26:45 -0400 From: AURALG@aol.com Received: from AURALG@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id CGMJa10158; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:27:21 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <13fb1e9e.36181269@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:27:21 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, kflint@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Last ditch effort Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 61 Hi Kim Thanks for your response the other day about my faulty EDP Called mike ayers and he had me send it to an authorized repair place, Triple S in NJ. The unit came back with the same problem. Those guys were completely useless. They say they resoldered the Ac connection, but that seems to be suspect I took it to Vince Gutman in Woodstock and asked him to go through it (not a warranty guy) but one of the best in the world. He builds stuff for God. This is starting to cost a bundle, but I need the unit He found all the AC related items to check out fine. He ran diagnostics on the RAM and it too was fine. He feels that it's a CPU/Clock related problem and is confident he can fix it, but needs to have schematics. Is that something you might have that could be faxed to him ? My tour starts on Tuesday, and Vince can repair the unit if he has the schematics on Monday AM. I figured you might have them or know someone who did. Torn tells me you're the man. If it's at all possible could you fax them to Vince Gutman at 914-679-4232 or to me at 914 679-4760. I'm sorry for the imposition. I hope you'll be able to help. I can get the unit to power up after about an hour of trying and it's completely random, therefore quite unreliable. Starting to panic, Kevin Bartlett If you need to call I'm at 914-679-4728 P.S.Thanks for any and all attention you can give this. From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 01:50:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA23804; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:36:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:36:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199810011556_MC2-5B44-A94B@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:44:18 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"vAO_O2.0.Uc5.Lh46s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Not very 'up to date', but anyway: after some time of moving around a lot I >recently set up my old record player again and had a lot of fun revisiting >early 70's British art rock (Colosseum, Gentle Giant, King Crimson) as well >as some nice jazz stuff from that period (Circle: Braxton, Holland, Corea & >Altshul; Vienna Art Orchestra). have a look at Lazer's Edge, they released a lot of old and new CDs of this kind, including an incredible swiss band of '75: ISLAND >There is a lesser know outing in quartett format by pianist Bob Degen with >Terumasa Hino on tpt where they are dramatically deconstructing an >odd-meter ostinato into cacophony over a 13 minute period and still make it >back to the head ('Children of the Night', ENJA ca. '78) that I always >liked a lot.....hey, wouldn't it be great to have a looper that can (on >command) apply some kind of variation to the material it is cycling - >possibly reacting to what the soloist is doing? > >Can any of these computer based systems do things like that? Sounds interesting. There are MIDI apps to analyze some sound and form some parameters that may influence an effect unit or sampler, but it should happen simpler. What is the reaction you imagine? From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 01:50:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA23967; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:37:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:37:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00130E6F.CE21407@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:44:29 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re[3]: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148 Resent-Message-ID: <"XixSE.0.oc5.Xh46s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Miguel Barella wrote... >>Yes, I would really love to play in a Planetarium with all the stars >>projected >>and adding some fractal images to the "sky". > >Henry Kaiser does a yearly space jam up at Chabot Planetarium in the Oakland >hills of California... He invites a few others to accompany the visuals. It's >pretty cool. I have to say it sounds like a perfect context for loopers to >me as >well... > >It's worth asking the director or manager of a site if they have any regular >events and the pecking order involved. It may be as simple as signing up. >Many >observatories and planetariums are school owned research facilities and >non-commercial events are encouraged if they work into the schedule. I played in the planetarium of Rio de Janeiro in '87. Gregory Brown improvized together with Vania Dantas (kb), me (guit), and a 2290. He used projectors with liquids and prisms and defocussed pictures and it came really wild and strong. But as far as I know, they do not allow concerts in there any more. From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 01:50:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA06230; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 03:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 03:29:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 03:21:48 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: Recordings Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810050322_MC2-5B99-3B15@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"M2jPu3.0.yN1.gD76s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What does a good player do with an ostinato in an improv situation: - leaving out some notes while holding others - variing a part here and there, maybe creating harmonic tension briefly - coming back real strong rhythmically, maybe stressing a smaller rhythmic value (moving from eight notes to sixteenths) or even creating double time/feel - repeating a small 16th note phrase for two or more bars - going back to the original note for note but real articulate - throw in a famous riff quote (ha ha) - fading out w. held notes as above, repeat only one or two characteristic notes in time or do a ritardando - etc. But all that isn't (yet) work for machines and probably shouldn't be, exept maybe absurd changes in tempo or pitch that a musician could not execute. BTW, I just ordered an EDP directly from Bananas at Large in the US(they had it in stock!). Hope it arrives soon & in working condition, solo gigs are coming up in Nov. best, Andreas From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 10:29:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA25574; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:54:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:54:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BDF05E.766403A0@Andrew.bocs.com> From: Andrew Taylor To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: recordings Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:48:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"thULi3.0.rr5.x6B6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com in my tray these days : coldcut & dj food fight + dj krush - cold crush cuts remixes of ninja tunes back and front cataloge by coldcut and dj food and krush. 2 cds - lots of interesting stuff on here. for those of you who like beats, dj spooky et al I think you'll find this of interest. Lots of great mixing, effects, stops,starts and general all round uncohesive mayhem to puzzle over. the coldcut cd is particularly good ( #18 has a Mahavishnu violin sample even ) penderecki - matrix 5 yeah ! scary scary. the scariest music ever written - penderecki's 'threnody for the victims of hiroshima' Remember little Danny pedalling around the Overlook Hotel in Kubrick's Shining ? Why was it so scary ? Cause 'Threnody' was playing somewhere. Never mind the old hag in the shower. That was nothing. But 'threnody' ? Run Danny ! Run ! Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares. The Sofia State Radio Womens Orchestra. No electricity supply available while the Turks kicked the bejesus out of the Bulgars for centuries. Hard Times = Great Melodies for some bizzare reason. charlie hunter and pound for pound - return of the canyman. great for fruging 'round the kitchen whilst you prepare the vegetables. Drum solas. Vibes. Cover version of 'Fly Like an Eagle' ! squarepusher - hard normal daddy not sure about this one - the music sounds a bit too close to something Stanley Clarke might've written when he was tired ( no disrespect to Stan - 'I wanna play for you' has to be one of the funniest tunes ever - especially at 3am in a roomful of drunks ) The beats are fast, modern, and with it of course, but,.. thanks for all the other lists - some good suggestions. I like the ones where I haven't heard of any of the artists. Makes me feel really boring, sitting here re-reading the liner notes to 'Bat out of Hell' From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 10:28:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA27610; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:11:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:11:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <1785fc6.3618b389@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:54:49 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"wcJcN3.0.yL6.CFB6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com some local listening, of late: outi: volume 7 we: as is choying drolma & steve tibbetts: cho goldie: ya know, the newest release chocolate genius: black music emmylou harris: spyboy la vielle en france: les maitres de la vielle a roue paul bley and scorpio tipsy: trip tease loose wires: godard, tadic, nauseef ry cooder: the end of violence disposable heroes: hypocrisy is the greatest luxury anthony braxton: music for four orchestras chris whitley: dirt floor cante flamenco messiah presents: progenitor vicente amigo headhunters: survival of the fittest samuel barber: summer music for woodwind quintet (books on tape: 1) the gifts of the jews, cahill, 2) introduction to dzogchen, lama tharchin rinpoche, 3) bringing the mind home, sogyal rinpoche) dt From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:37:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA18606; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:45:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:45:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3618DA9C.70481966@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 15:41:33 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: Second Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PDS vs.RDS Digitech HEll and more listening lists References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rOl2f1.0.wN3.UzH6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com murkie wrote: > > Dif Juz - Out of the Trees (does anybody like these guys?) > > i LOVE Dif Juz! I never knew there was an album other than their first > one. When was Out of the Trees released?!? Label? I haven't heard that name in a long time... What releases do they have? I had a roomate who was way into the whole 4ad scene back in the day, but my memory is slipping.... \tdb1 -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 10:54:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA26455; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:39:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:39:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re:re:re:re:Recordings Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:23:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"r8prj1.0.7w4.Z3G6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fave CD's of the moment.... 1. New WILLIE NELSON - Totaro -- Oh my, this is a GOOD record. And this is a comment from a man who owns no country records. 2. New MOUSE ON MARS - ?? - Typography hits a creative high and an informational low. This is a stunning recording, grooves composed of elements that hang together without repetitions. luvely! 3. ROY HARPER -- BBC TAPES -- Possibly Roy is the English Willie Nelson; I wonder if they'd ever do a duet? 4. FROM WITHIN -- one of those on the FAX label from Frankfurt -- what a wonderful wonderful label this is... David Kirkdorffer From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:36:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12822; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:19:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:19:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981005180534.8743.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:05:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Recordings To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"HhlGV.0.Nz1.tiG6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---Texture444@aol.com wrote: > > some local listening, of late: (snip large impressive list) Ya know, I'll often read interviews with working musicians and composers who will state that they don't listen to much music at all, since they are so busy with their own work. It's refreshing to see someone who's obviously quite the busy professional listening to such a wide variety. Hell, I'm not listening to that much new stuff, and I'm not nearly as busy as dt :-) My list for 10-5-98: Gillian Welch - Revival Gillian Welch - Hell Among the Yearlings John Scofield - A Go Go Bill Frisell - Gone Just Like a Train Bill Frisell - Nashville Bill Frisell and Fred Hersch - Songs We Know Tarik & Julia Banzi Al-Andalus - Illumination Martin Medeski and Wood - combustication The Ascension Conspiracy - Mother's Blood Henry Kaiser - Re-Marrying for Money Steely Dan - Countdown to Ecstasy Dan Faehnle - My Ideal Speedy West & Jimmy Bryant - Stratosphere Boogie Things I want: Vivid, Jon Durant, Joni Mitchell's latest, Jim Hall's latest, etc. etc. etc. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:36:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA16494; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:27:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:27:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:15:26 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"dHaMZ1.0.ff2.7pG6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com im saving my pennys to buy some more black boxes in order to augment my inability to play guitar so i can not afford new recordings....... the last recordings i have listened to: 1. jeff collins "red" 2.JFK/LSD/UFO 3.jefferson airplane "after bathing at baxters" 4.the mothers "we are only in it for the money" (so this is where most of my ideas came from?) 5.incredable string band "i looked up" 6.tim buckley "blue afternoon" 7.all and anything you folks post on real audio seems the only time i listen to music is when im in my truck, when im at home im too busy making my own noise. i figure if i have time to listen, i have time to play, otherwise im either sleeping or working. yipes, what a life! but i must admit, it is scary how much music both old and new is out there that i have never heard of,all the while thinking that i am quasi-hip to whats happening in the music world. this listing of recordings has been a real eye opener.....thanks .......michael From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:37:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA00988; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:05:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:05:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:53:30 -0700 Message-ID: <00132F83.CE21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Recordings To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"RS4CR1.0.l57.YOH6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My list for 10-5-98: Nels Cline, "Sad" and "Ground" Butthole Surfers, "pioughd" Steve Tibbetts "The Fall Of Us All" Terje Rypdal/David Darling "EOS" Leonard Cohen "The Future" Quartetto Stig "Pienso Oculto" Martin Carthy "Sweet Wivelsfield" Nick Drake "Pink Moon" Czuckay/Walker "Clash" a thousand other names... (nels, ge stinson, kaoru, brad dutz) David Bowie, "Earthling" Greatly looking forward to... Kaiser, Muir and gang... "Yo Miles!" -miko From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:37:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA15322; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:38:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:38:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008001bdf096$faef7680$a93863c3@martinj> From: "Harry P" To: "loopers delight" Subject: Fw: re:recordings Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:32:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01BDF09F.48B48BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Pkko72.0.Pd2.tsH6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com
 
-Original Message-----
From: Harry P <harryp@lineone.net>
To: Loopers delight@annihilist.com <Loopers delight@annihilist.com>
Date: Monday, October 05, 1998 8:30 PM
Subject: re:recordings

a bit late in the day but....what the care???
 
Talvin Singh,Jon Spencer Blues Explosion,Silent Phase,Sonic Youth,Add N to X,Plug,Robert Hood,Stereolab.....ahhh.....getz me goin'!!!!
 
                                       Harry P
                                                xxx
From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:37:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA06193; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:44:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:44:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD067EC6A@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: mo' recordings . . . Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:47:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"F6nPq.0.NF.9iJ6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com General Listening: Big Satan (Tim Berne/Marc Ducret/Tom Rainey): I think they liked it honey Louis Sclavis Trio: ceux qui veillent la nuit Charles Koechlin: Various orchestral music Mingus: Atlantic box set Roscoe Holcomb: The high lonesome sound of . . . Bjork: Post, homogenic Camaron de la Isla: Vivre Olivier Messian: "Rock of the 90s" radio (usual culprits) From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:37:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA20140; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:14:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:14:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3619454D.38B154FF@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 15:16:47 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings References: <000f01bded51$82fd1580$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> <36156F90.6807707B@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2bhfZ1.0.B94.XCK6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com error, uh: Buffalo Daughter's newest release is called "New Rock" not "Rock Music". Sorry to confuse anyone out there (it's really great, too, btw...) ciao, Lance G. P. S.: Jesse - Nels Cline's "Angelica"; circa 1988; Nels - guitars Tim Berne - alto sax Stacy Rowles - trumpet, fluegelhorn Eric Von Essen - bass, chromatic harmonica Alex Cline - drums, percussion fairly straight-ahead, with a bit of meadering on certain tracks; not atonal, but polytonal (as opposed to highly chromatic)? From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:37:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA27483; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:41:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:41:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981005233734.21226.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:37:34 -0700 (PDT) From: robert kolosowski Subject: echoplex out there ? To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"z7KBr2.0.0_5.7VL6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know there's a slim chance of this but ... I'm in 'Down Under' and I have an American mate going back home to Calif. to see a Residents gig, so i thought - good time to pick up a new/used Echoplex. If he's in the "Bay area" can anyone suggest where to look...or am i chasing the Holy Grail ? Thanks Rob == Robert Kolosowski Kolosoro@Yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:38:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA10520; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:15:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:15:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981005235809.006ee43c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:58:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex out there ? Resent-Message-ID: <"RKere1.0.BR1.xwL6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com go to Banana's at Large in San Rafael (across the Golden Gate bridge from SF, nice drive anyway.) Someone else just said they have them in stock. If not, other places have them. Banana's address: 1504 Fourth St. San Rafael, CA 94901 USA 415-457-7600 http://www.bananas.com They'll even ship international, so you could just call them and have it sent. Lot's of places seem to do that now. kim At 04:37 PM 10/5/98 -0700, you wrote: >I know there's a slim chance of this but ... >I'm in 'Down Under' and I have an American mate going back home to >Calif. to see a Residents gig, so i thought - good time to pick up a >new/used Echoplex. >If he's in the "Bay area" can anyone suggest where to look...or am i >chasing the Holy Grail ? >Thanks >Rob > > > > >== > >Robert Kolosowski >Kolosoro@Yahoo.com > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research 408-752-9284 http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:38:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA02948; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:14:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:14:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36196DB7.A3FAEB6D@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:09:12 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex out there ? References: <19981005233734.21226.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"K_lZN.0._u7.LqM6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thoroughbred Music carries them in their catalog, you can check them out at http://www.tbred-music.com/ good luck, Jeff robert kolosowski wrote: > I know there's a slim chance of this but ... > I'm in 'Down Under' and I have an American mate going back home to > Calif. to see a Residents gig, so i thought - good time to pick up a > new/used Echoplex. > If he's in the "Bay area" can anyone suggest where to look...or am i > chasing the Holy Grail ? > Thanks > Rob > > == > > Robert Kolosowski > Kolosoro@Yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:38:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA11868; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:34:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:34:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:16:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Tony Geballe/Dark Aether Project/Fingerpaint in Baltimore Friday Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"cYMcf3.0.nw.SzM6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FRAGMENTS OF THE MASS DREAM Diverse Directions in Guitar Music Friday, October 9th 1998 9pm Cafe Tattoo - 4825 Belair Road - Baltimore MD (410)325-7427 One instrument, three different styles of music. On Friday October 9th Cafe Tattoo (The Baltimore City Paper's pick for the Best Jazz Club for 1998) will be hosting an exciting and diverse evening of guitar music. FingerPaint, The Dark Aether Project, and Tony Geballe converge from diverse musical backgrounds to share their love of sonic exploration. Fragments of musical vision presented as one whole evening of enticing music. ----- FingerPaint is guitarists/synthesists Steev Geest and Patrick Smith. Exploring the edges of electronic music and spontaneous composition, their improvisatory soundscapes have been described as "sinister and alien" by the Philadelphia City Paper. See http://www.fingerpaint.net/ for more information about FingerPaint. ----- The Dark Aether Project features Adam Levin (Warr 8 String Touch Guitar/ Loops), Yaman Aksu (Fretted and Fretless Guitars/Guitar Synth), and Brian Griffin (Drums). Progression magazine says "...jazz-inflected, often minimalistic...foreboding soundscape[s]... classy...offers mature musicianship without pretentiousness." Expose says "...intense and blistering lead work...amazing loops and shimmering textures that are at once haunting and dreamlike...worthy of attention." The Dark Aether Project will be joined by special guest vocalist Ray Weston (Echolyn/Still/Always Almost) See http://www.darkaether.net/ for more info on The Dark Aether Project ----- Tony Geballe has been a member of the Turkish music trio Dostlar and the New York Indonesian Consulate Gamelan. As a member of Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists, Tony has made several recordings and toured Israel, Europe and the US, as well as appearing on local and national radio and television shows. The 12-string guitar is primarily known as a folk instrument, but Tony combines elements of classical and jazz techniques, harmony and form with the shimmering and resonant sound of the instrument, to create a unique, compelling and satisfying music. Tony 's CD of solo 12-string guitar music, "Native of the Rain," has been released by Discipline Global Mobile records. "Deftly bridges the chasm between pop accessibility and meticulously crafted musicianship. Geballe's compositions, awash in dazzling, evocative sonic cascades, demonstrate just how far one exemplary musician can push the musical envelope armed with only one 12-string acoustic guitar." ----- -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:38:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA22934; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:00:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:00:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: murff@bellsouth.net Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981005210343.007c5160@bna.bellsouth.net> X-Sender: murff@bna.bellsouth.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:03:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex out there ? In-Reply-To: <36196DB7.A3FAEB6D@bellsouth.net> References: <19981005233734.21226.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ROgOT2.0.t65.bYN6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Also, try Mars Music. They have 22 or 23 stores. They carry them and each store should stock at least one Echoplex and Foot Controller. They do international sales. They have a web site. < http://www.mars-music.com/ > murff >Thoroughbred Music carries them in their catalog, you can check them out >at http://www.tbred-music.com/ > good luck, >Jeff > >robert kolosowski wrote: > >> I know there's a slim chance of this but ... >> I'm in 'Down Under' and I have an American mate going back home to >> Calif. to see a Residents gig, so i thought - good time to pick up a >> new/used Echoplex. >> If he's in the "Bay area" can anyone suggest where to look...or am i >> chasing the Holy Grail ? >> Thanks >> Rob >> >> == >> >> Robert Kolosowski >> Kolosoro@Yahoo.com >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> DO YOU YAHOO!? >> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:38:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA28702; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:13:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:13:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: murff@bellsouth.net Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981005210831.007c8bd0@bna.bellsouth.net> X-Sender: murff@bna.bellsouth.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:08:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex out there ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ml0F61.0.ac5.9dN6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry- wrong URL http://www.marsmusic.com/ murff >Thoroughbred Music carries them in their catalog, you can check them out >at http://www.tbred-music.com/ > good luck, >Jeff > >robert kolosowski wrote: > >> I know there's a slim chance of this but ... >> I'm in 'Down Under' and I have an American mate going back home to >> Calif. to see a Residents gig, so i thought - good time to pick up a >> new/used Echoplex. >> If he's in the "Bay area" can anyone suggest where to look...or am i >> chasing the Holy Grail ? >> Thanks >> Rob >> >> == >> >> Robert Kolosowski >> Kolosoro@Yahoo.com >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> DO YOU YAHOO!? >> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:38:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA08860; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:43:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:43:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36198115.63E4A1C8@bway.net> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:31:50 -0400 From: Matthew Pierce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex out there ? References: <19981005233734.21226.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> <3.0.6.32.19981005210343.007c5160@bna.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QKNpX2.0.FF1.x6O6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com murff@bellsouth.net wrote: > Also, try Mars Music. They have 22 or 23 stores. They carry them and each > store should stock at least one Echoplex and Foot Controller. They do > international sales. > They have a web site. < http://www.mars-music.com/ > > murff > I bought mine from Musician's Friend on one of those awesome payment plans. They have a web site...musiciansfriend.com. From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:38:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA11390; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:10:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:10:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810060312.WAA07681@smtp1.mailsrvcs.net> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: echoplex out there ? Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:15:10 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"r16VD3.0.E_1.QOP6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was just looking through the website of a local Florida music magazine- I found this: OBERHELM, Winter Park, (407) 677-4679 Digital-pro echoplex w/controller & manual expanded $485. This is NOT me, so please don't respond directly to me. The website is www.floridajam.com Look under 'Classifieds---->Equip for sale. Looks like a good deal. Winter Park is in central Florida, USA- near Orlando. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at: http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 01:43:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA28673; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 03:41:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 03:41:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3619B78B.C015A70E@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 17:24:09 +1100 From: Brad Knox Reply-To: B.Knox@latrobe.edu.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Main (was Re: Recordings) References: <01bded71$b3b4cd60$221bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mklvi3.0.lh5.VPS6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Collins wrote: > > There you go. By the way...does anyone else here besides me like MAIN w/ > Robert Hampson? > Lurv the Main... "Motion Pool" has some very nice looping on it... all guitar and no drums (may be on the repetitive side for some) their later stuff is more free-form ambient... "Firmament III" is an amazing trip through some totally alienating sonic territory... Collins, have any idea what they're doing now? brad From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 01:44:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA07344; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 04:10:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 04:10:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Current listenings Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:49:59 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"_hkoP.0.Ck7.KjS6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I haven't been doing too much in the way of listening recently, since I have been designing and constructing a surround sound\music monitor system for my PC at home. I also picked up a Zoom 2100 the other day, and it is quite a good little gadget. I will write a review in a week or so for use on the loopers page. As far as listening goes, I have a biased selection. I just received 5 CD's I had ordered from The Artist Shop. Since DT just posted I guess the coast is clear. They are: David Torn - Tripping over God David Torn - What means Solid Traveller? Torn\Karn\Bozzio - Polytown Mick Karn - The Tooth Mother Mick Karn - Bestial Cluster I have honestly been listening to them non stop at work for about a month now. I have also listened to some : Pop will eat itself - dos dedos mis amigo Mindfunk - Dropped I must be in an energetic music mood, because most of that stuff is very lively. Snak sNak snAk snaK Jamie Lack 3D Artist\Designer jlack@auran.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 21:05:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA16027; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:35:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:35:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000201bdf156$531af900$b48232cc@manda.norlink.net> Reply-To: "Gerry P" From: "Gerry P" To: Subject: Re: echoplex out there ? Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:29:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"HRldy.0.rR2.DYf6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Try 8th Street Music - good stock levels and great prices. Gerry P manda@norlink.net -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Pierce To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 2:59 AM Subject: Re: echoplex out there ? > > >murff@bellsouth.net wrote: > >> Also, try Mars Music. They have 22 or 23 stores. They carry them and each >> store should stock at least one Echoplex and Foot Controller. They do >> international sales. >> They have a web site. < http://www.mars-music.com/ > >> murff >> > >I bought mine from Musician's Friend on one of those awesome payment plans. >They have a web site...musiciansfriend.com. > > > > From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 02:53:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA04080; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:25:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:25:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3619DFAD.F17F853E@dial.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:15:25 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #154 References: <199810060707.DAA15248@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cHTO23.0.il7.AyT6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi loopists, Yesterday I tried out the new Zoom 2100 multi effects unit. It's small, only about 12" x 8". This means the footswitches are a bit close together. You can record 3 x 5sec, "jam" loops all of which are available simultaneously. When you've made a loop though it doesn't latch so you need to keep your foot, (or a brick) on the pedal. This is quite handy for retriggerring a sequence. I recorded a sequence in 3 parts and fired each in turn. This lends itself to the possibility of varying the order of the sequences but would need some nifty footwork. There is a 6 sec delay available and a 10sec one. No 10 sec with the "jam function". In addition there is a 16 sec loop, (the 32 sec loop really fries, it sounds like 8 bits) it is possible to vary the tempo without varying the pitch if you so choose. I couldn't try this though since you have to go in via an aux mini jack to take advantage of the pitch shifting facility - silly. The manual does warn of excessive wobble in this mode, (my words not theirs). The unit is generally a bit lo-fi which is why I'm putting my pennies towards an Echoplex rather than buying this unit as a stopgap. There is a continuous frying/vinyl surface noise effect behind everything. I'm sure some would welcome this but it isn't for me. Still for 150 quid is a great unit for experimentation and generally larking about with. Gareth From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 21:05:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA02261; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:55:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:55:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361A8015.B0D70716@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:39:49 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #154 References: <199810060707.DAA15248@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3619DFAD.F17F853E@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jEDdE1.0.VO6.rzd6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There is another cheapo looper in Musicions Friend that I just spotted, its the Tone Works AX1-G. For your 149.99 you get the usual bazillion fx ( 7 at once!) plus a sample and play loop function for live perfomance which allows you to layer new parts onto repeating patterns. ( in their words ) .It seems that loopers are becoming popular as practice tools and as this one says, live playing. Great turn of events for looping in general. All the kids coming up will be exposed early to the concept. Loopers Delight the next generation is on its way. Jeff http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html Gareth Whittock wrote: > Hi loopists, > Yesterday I tried out the new Zoom 2100 multi effects unit. > It's small, only about 12" x 8". This means the footswitches are > a bit close together. You can record 3 x 5sec, "jam" loops all of which > are available simultaneously. When you've made a loop though it doesn't > latch so you need to keep your foot, (or a brick) on the pedal. This is > quite handy for retriggerring a sequence. I recorded a sequence in 3 > parts and fired each in turn. This lends itself to the possibility of > varying the order of the sequences but would need some nifty footwork. > There is a 6 sec delay available and a 10sec one. No 10 sec with the > "jam function". In addition there is a 16 sec loop, (the 32 sec loop > really fries, it sounds like 8 bits) it is possible to vary the tempo > without varying the pitch if you so choose. I couldn't try this though > since you have to go in via an aux mini jack to take advantage of the > pitch shifting facility - silly. The manual does warn of excessive > wobble in this mode, (my words not theirs). The unit is generally a bit > lo-fi which is why I'm putting my pennies towards an Echoplex rather > than buying this unit as a stopgap. There is a continuous frying/vinyl > surface noise effect behind everything. I'm sure some would welcome this > but it isn't for me. Still for 150 quid is a great unit for > experimentation and generally larking about with. > Gareth From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 21:05:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA03550; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:10:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:10:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <6326803c.361a91de@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:55:42 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings..turns into loops with variation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <"is6-u3.0.i67.j6f6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/5/98 4:39:02 AM GMT, you write: << ...hey, wouldn't it be great to have a looper that can (on >command) apply some kind of variation to the material it is cycling - >possibly reacting to what the soloist is doing? > >> the lex vortex can do this, with the right program it can take a 2s loop and rearrange it. this will be on my vortex database soon, (not yet) Andy Butler From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 21:05:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA02995; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:16:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:16:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:07:21 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Lexicon MPX100 loopsyncs with jamMan Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <"VkQnl.0.Ji7.h9g6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This has a looper in it. Special FX -15 Infinite Repeat 2 & a bit seconds, mono not really infinite, fades & dulls eventually (good for several minutes) midi syncs to the JamMan ,glitch free ,(a fraction of the jamtapped time). Can either add new material or play over the top, but the manual doesn't tell you how. Apart from this there's some excellent fx+reverbs of very high quality, but not much in the way of extreme sounds. Andy Butler. From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 21:05:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA25687; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:09:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:09:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:59:28 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"iYq-K3.0.zF5.rxg6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >What does a good player do with an ostinato in an improv situation: = While we're waiting for a good player to answer I think I'll throw in my own $.02... >- variing a part here and there, maybe creating harmonic tension briefly Well, I'd take out the "maybe" and the "briefly". This suggestion is, to me, what makes ostinatos a desirable thing at all. That is, the opportunity to apply varying degrees of harmonic tensions against a static background. I wish more 'electronica' (for lack of a better term) took advantage of this, but it seems like most that I've checked out has been all about rhythm and texture primarily (if not exclusivley). Last week I saw Mark Isham's new 'electronica' band (from what I could tell, I counted three Jam Men, one Obie and one EH 16-sec delay and at least as many other 'standard' delays) and they did a few things that had some harmonic meat to them, and certainly Mark's playing exhibited a good amount harmonic imagination in improvising over ostinatos so I found that pretty enjoyable, but I think he's bringing more to the table in terms of overall musicianship than the rank and file electronica guys I hear. They recorded these shows, I hope they're considering releasing them, they were quite good. In the "Recording" thread there were recent posts listing Frisell's "Songs, We Know" and Emmylou Harris' "Spyboy" which I couldn't list yet but since I just got them this morning I would easily add them to my list, these are both great. Jim Hall's newest is a pretty standard good performance from Jim but is as problematic to me as his other "+ special guests" format records he's done for Tel Arc the last few years on the whole. Nothing quite as inspiring happens as the show I saw last week here in LA - Jim playing duo with Dave Holland - which proved to me he's still one of the most open-minded and fearless improvisors around given the right setting. Ken R From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 21:05:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA01969; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:48:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:48:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002601bdf191$1b6fb6e0$bf0cffd0@petegilbert> From: "Pete Gilbert" To: Subject: Re: Recordings..turns into loops with variation Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:23:34 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"v7bze2.0.eF7.9Ni6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com actually, if you run the output from your jamman into your vortex, you can mangle the looped material to your heart's content. This is great fun, and I recommend that you *do* try this at home :-) ============ Pete Gilbert aka pgilbert@ford.com or PeteGilbert@msn.com Visit the Michigan Stick Trio Web Pages at: http://www.michsticktrio.com/ http://www.detroitsound.com/ -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Recordings..turns into loops with variation >In a message dated 10/5/98 4:39:02 AM GMT, you write: > ><< ...hey, wouldn't it be great to have a looper that can (on > >command) apply some kind of variation to the material it is cycling - > >possibly reacting to what the soloist is doing? > > >> >the lex vortex can do this, >with the right program it can take a 2s loop and rearrange it. >this will be on my vortex database soon, (not yet) > > Andy Butler > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 10:47:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA31639; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 04:10:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 04:10:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #154 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:55:32 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"cwjZx.0.U96.Vun6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Gareth Whittock [mailto:whiteoak@dial.pipex.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 7:15 PM > >To: > >Cc: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #154 > > > > > >Hi loopists, > >Yesterday I tried out the new Zoom 2100 multi effects unit. SNIP The unit is > >generally a bit > >lo-fi which is why I'm putting my pennies towards an Echoplex rather > >than buying this unit as a stopgap. There is a continuous > >frying/vinyl > >surface noise effect behind everything. I'm sure some would > >welcome this > >but it isn't for me. Still for 150 quid is a great unit for > >experimentation and generally larking about with. > >Gareth > > I found the sound quality to be impressive through headphones, and as usual I think diligent use of gain\distortion is the key to reducing noise in these units. Possibly the foot pedals are close together so you can trigger three loops with a single foot? I just slide my foot over and press another pedal while maintaining pressure on the other pedal\s. It works OK, however the tolerance for losing playback on a pedal is low when attempting that trick. I was not going to buy any "small" loopers, because i thought the EDP would be a much better tool. However, this ZOOM cost me $300 Australian, has a few decent features, but an Echoplex would cost me $3000 to get shipped over. Hardly an option at the moment. Chalk up one thing living in the US has going for it - much lower prices\higher wages. I'm sorry, but I'd like to support the EDP, Kim, but it's not gonna happen soon. I may as well stop flapping and go and make some noise with my new toy then, hadn't I ? From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 10:48:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA16353; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:18:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:18:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361B3084.8B4C0432@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:12:37 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: Second Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings..turns into loops with variation References: <6326803c.361a91de@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"trCBE.0.YZ2.yKt6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/5/98 4:39:02 AM GMT, you write: > > << ...hey, wouldn't it be great to have a looper that can (on > >command) apply some kind of variation to the material it is cycling - > >possibly reacting to what the soloist is doing? My fully maxed out loop rig has seperate effects for the non looped geetar and the loop rig. As I have changed my straight guitar pedal board again (and I do mean board I got one of those SKB powered velcro boards- worth every penny) I have to figure out how to split the guitar signal easily again (effects loop on board?) but here's a vague approximation of how the rig went/ with gear updates: guitar split into: mxr dynacomp- green mxr delay- small stone- fulltone tremelo- AnalogMan modified ts-9 reissue w/brown sound (the bomb, yo)- mutant big muff (affectionately called the porkchop)- modified Bedrock AC-30 clone and- volume pedal- rat pedal- JamMan- Old ass Ibanez analog multi-effects uunit (model excapes me)- QuadroVerb1 (accept no substitute)-SansAmp PS-1- PA (or if there is another guitar amp, skip the sans amp this way, I can layer distorted and undistorted guitar on the loop, and then distort the whole damned thing for the rousing raveup. trev -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 10:48:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA10278; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:05:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:05:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:38:34 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings..turns into loops with variation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <"n3IUz.0.gw.K6t6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/7/98 1:51:16 AM GMT, you write: << From: PeteGilbert@email.msn.com (Pete Gilbert) Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com actually, if you run the output from your jamman into your vortex, you can mangle the looped material to your heart's content. This is great fun, and I recommend that you *do* try this at home :-) -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com >In a message dated 10/5/98 4:39:02 AM GMT, you write: > ><< ...hey, wouldn't it be great to have a looper that can (on > >command) apply some kind of variation to the material it is cycling - > >possibly reacting to what the soloist is doing? > > >> >the lex vortex can do this, >with the right program it can take a 2s loop and rearrange it. >this will be on my vortex database soon, (not yet) > > Andy Butler > Yes, but with the vortex alone you can do stuff that actually reorders the material in the loop, a bit like making a tape loop , cutting it up, and resplicing it in a different order. Sorry the original post was so vague. Andy Butler From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 10:48:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA06080; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:55:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:55:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:38:37 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings..turns into loops with variation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <"Cbjhm2.0.Xf7.Xws6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/7/98 1:51:16 AM GMT, you write: << From: PeteGilbert@email.msn.com (Pete Gilbert) Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com actually, if you run the output from your jamman into your vortex, you can mangle the looped material to your heart's content. This is great fun, and I recommend that you *do* try this at home :-) -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com >In a message dated 10/5/98 4:39:02 AM GMT, you write: > ><< ...hey, wouldn't it be great to have a looper that can (on > >command) apply some kind of variation to the material it is cycling - > >possibly reacting to what the soloist is doing? > > >> >the lex vortex can do this, >with the right program it can take a 2s loop and rearrange it. >this will be on my vortex database soon, (not yet) > > Andy Butler > Yes, but with the vortex alone you can do stuff that actually reorders the material in the loop, a bit like making a tape loop , cutting it up, and resplicing it in a different order. Sorry the original post was so vague. Andy Butler From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 10:48:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA22436; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:10:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:10:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <2.2.32.19980925005710.009e6918@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:27:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: Zoom & DOD as loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"zbQW.0.-e4.Imv6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:50 -0500 10/7/98, David Myers wrote: > Also, I don't think I've seen mention of the DOD Dimension 12 on the list, > and a search of the archives didn't bring it up. From a review I saw, it > seems that in "delay" mode the Dimension 12 will give 12 seconds of true > layered looping. The only apparent bummer is no sync input, but being able > to dial in exact delay times would deal with that pretty well--enough so > for my needs at present, anyway. I'm looking to add some minor looping > capability to my setup and haven't spotted a Digitech 7.6 or 8000 for some > time, so the Dimension 12 (at about $240 street) looks pretty good. Anyone > tried one? Kim recently put up a page with an archived discussion of the D12. The author didn't think much of it, because in sampling mode you can't overdub or even record the second sample while playing the first. I agree, sampler mode isn't really quite what I want. But yes, in delay mode, you've got 12 seconds of delay time with a feedback control, and tap tempo. The delay times can be set to a resolution of 10 milliseconds when it's less than 10 seconds -- 100 milliseconds at 10 seconds+. The lack of an input level indicator is annoying but trial and error sufficed. You can apply modulation to the delay too, and that's kinda fun. Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com Sonosphere (electric/improv music) http://www.sonosphere.com/ "Accidental Beauties" CD release: http://www.sonosphere.com/wyatt/ available from CMC, 1-800-882-4262 http://www.MusicDiscoveries.com/ From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 23:00:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA29389; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:03:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:03:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980925005710.009e6918@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:50:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Zoom & DOD as loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"oQ03A1.0.hU5.opu6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Re the current talk about the Zoom 2100: if I am not mistaken, it appears that this unit will only trap sample segments, i.e., it won't allow continuous input to layer sounds over time. I'm not sure that in the context of Looper's Delight this is looping at all. At any rate, it's a very important distinction to make. I hope anyone who has actually used the unit will correct me if I am wrong about the 2100. Also, I don't think I've seen mention of the DOD Dimension 12 on the list, and a search of the archives didn't bring it up. From a review I saw, it seems that in "delay" mode the Dimension 12 will give 12 seconds of true layered looping. The only apparent bummer is no sync input, but being able to dial in exact delay times would deal with that pretty well--enough so for my needs at present, anyway. I'm looking to add some minor looping capability to my setup and haven't spotted a Digitech 7.6 or 8000 for some time, so the Dimension 12 (at about $240 street) looks pretty good. Anyone tried one? David Myers From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 11:19:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA04724; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 03:49:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 03:49:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: 123abc@ts.hklawsoc.org.hk Message-ID: <361BF8A6.7140@ts.hklawsoc.org.hk> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 07:26:30 +0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: loop music Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7LkKf.0.oa.o359s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I live in Hong Kong and I use SP-808 and a Roland XP50 to make my music. Unfortunately, I can't send you my email address right now coz I use hotmail.com and it's wait too slow to access it. here is my ICQ#5823416. I have made a few songs lately with loops ....I hope to include it in your up coming Loopers' CD should there be any new ones... please feel free to contact me.... DJ Orange From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 23:00:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA20494; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:18:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:18:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: Information on contact microphones Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:00:06 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdf24e$9b92c520$2a1cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"jI01X3.0.Ar2.h007s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To all those who are wanting to record sounds that the usual mics won't be able to pick up, i have been thinking about contact microphones since i discovered John Cage. They are an amazing way to get sounds never heard before out of anything...even rocks. If you too are interested in making yourself a couple of contact mics, you can visit... http://www.harmonycentral.com/Guitar/piezo-pickups.txt There are a ton of posts on this subject that can help you out tremendously. Hope this can help a few of you fellow loopers. Sincerely, Jeff Collins http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 23:00:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA20640; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:19:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:19:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <28faf4ae.361c01eb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:06:03 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: New Digital Sampling/Looping devices. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"zv-fI.0.Ua3.v607s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, My echoplex just died the great and tragic death, and I was wondering what was still available and at what price ranges. Preferably, I am looking for something that has a foot controller and can handle around 5 to 10 seconds of sampling prior to looping it. Thanks again. Sincerely, Lee From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 23:00:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA04790; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:57:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:57:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: <8cfe88a.361c0c91@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:51:29 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Computer Studios Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"hQZk6.0.cT.Zn07s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Any tips on getting the least amount of noise possible from a PC? From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 23:00:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA00452; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:04:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:04:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: Computer Studios Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:54:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdf25e$8703c220$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8cfe88a.361c0c91@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ASXt3.0.mt6.Ih17s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What most studios do is use a digital I/O card to send the audio signal in and out of the PC. This way you can use an external audio converter as opposed to a sound card. This is something like a setup for the Event Layla. -----Original Message----- From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com [mailto:GRAIGORY2@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 8:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Computer Studios Any tips on getting the least amount of noise possible from a PC? From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 23:01:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA06480; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:57:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:57:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:47:03 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: absolutely no loop content Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"J3QPv.0.EV.FE47s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com now we all know what we are listening to......what are we reading? sure, i said " time to listen, is time to play" but on some level i must read every day. a book is easier to take to bed than a guitar or synth or computer or drums or significant other or fill in the blanks......outside of music mags and equipment reviews and of course loopers delight, the best thing ive read in a long time is a wonderful book "Confederacy of Dunces" by john kennedy toole......the reason i ask this, i dont think that there are that many loopers on our little globe, in fact ill bet there are more shoe fetishes out there than us......are there any common denominators that lead us to this form of expression (looping)......perhaps this is an unanswerable question or perhaps i should just keep quiet......just wondering......michael From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 01:28:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA10094; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:26:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:26:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: Computer Studios Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:14:40 -0700 Message-ID: <002201bdf283$20c411c0$6e32dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <8cfe88a.361c0c91@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"fLeG92.0.hG1.PX57s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I found that, after all my work on cabling and every frigging thing else, I now could hear RF interference from... you guessed it, my monitor, a 3-year-old Sampo AlphaScan II, which might have developed its "voice" in the past year or so. Arrgh! I separated the monitor by several feet from the rest of my sound processing equipment, AND the PC. End of noticeable interference. :) Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week (Gene Autry)! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > -----Original Message----- > From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com [mailto:GRAIGORY2@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 5:51 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Computer Studios > > > Any tips on getting the least amount of noise possible from a PC? > From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA17322; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:33:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:33:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:16:02 +0400 Message-ID: <00019D7B.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Y2K To: "'Loopers Delight'" Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"KbnI-3.0.Tv2.1nB7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anybody know if loop machines, delays, reverbs etc. will be affected by the Y2K bug? Miguel From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 01:28:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA09438; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:25:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:25:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361C5989.EA1E47BE@texas.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 01:19:56 -0500 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Reading is fun (da mental...) References: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aEJQ23.0.HL1.2Y57s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'm in the middle of 3 fiction things right now. i like to split up my reading when i can: illusions by richard bach - flying with god instead of seagulls this time, the collected short stories of philip k. dick, volumes 1-5 - they're pretty much the same story over & over again, but i've liked this story since i was 7 years old when i read eye in the sky, guns of the south by harry turtledove - a very ridiculous " what if neo-nazi south africans from 2013 had a time machine, went back to civil war america, & gave robert e. lee an endless supply of ak-47's w/ammo" plot line, but entertaining nonetheless, and for no fun at all, i'm spending several hours a day leafing through the manual to m.o.t.u.'s audiodesk, a poorly indexed piece if'n there ever was one... bobdog From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 01:28:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA19814; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:50:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:50:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981007234153.00919650@pop.nwlink.com> X-Sender: jt@pop.nwlink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 23:41:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: jt Subject: TC-2290? In-Reply-To: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gvSEW3.0.g-3.-w57s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I thought I'd abuse myself and check out the TC Electronics site. When I was checking out the info on the TC-2290, it sounded like it had been updated from the older model. Does anyone have any info on these, such as price, stereo, how they compare to an Echoplex? Thanks, JT (replace 'spam' with 'link' to reply directly) From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 01:28:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA04024; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:32:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:32:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Zoom 2100 loopy samples Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:18:33 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"8dwgl.0.bX7.3S67s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The 2100 has a sound on sound delay mode, with at least six seconds of delay. I contend your statement about sample triggering not being looping. You get 3 samples on the zoom 2100. You can make them loop if you try. You can mix them, trigger them, play them ryhtmically, and overaly them. You can also replace them while playing others. It definitely loops. > >-----Original Message----- > >From: David Myers [mailto:dmgraph@pulsewidth.com] > >Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 2:50 AM > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Zoom & DOD as loopers > > > > > >Re the current talk about the Zoom 2100: if I am not > >mistaken, it appears > >that this unit will only trap sample segments, i.e., it won't allow > >continuous input to layer sounds over time. I'm not sure that in the > >context of Looper's Delight this is looping at all. At any > >rate, it's a > >very important distinction to make. I hope anyone who has > >actually used > >the unit will correct me if I am wrong about the 2100. > > > >Also, I don't think I've seen mention of the DOD Dimension > >12 on the list, > >and a search of the archives didn't bring it up. From a > >review I saw, it > >seems that in "delay" mode the Dimension 12 will give 12 > >seconds of true > >layered looping. The only apparent bummer is no sync input, > >but being able > >to dial in exact delay times would deal with that pretty > >well--enough so > >for my needs at present, anyway. I'm looking to add some > >minor looping > >capability to my setup and haven't spotted a Digitech 7.6 or > >8000 for some > >time, so the Dimension 12 (at about $240 street) looks > >pretty good. Anyone > >tried one? > > > >David Myers > > From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 01:28:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA04971; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:34:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:34:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Loop reading. Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:27:20 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"USJN11.0.VL.zZ67s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am reading a bowie biography at the moment. Generally I read everything, but I like SF of Clarke and Asimov, and I like books on technical things, or autobiographies of zany people like Ghandi. I'm not much into serious or obscure type lit , y'know things that like Nietchze or Burroughs or whatever influential stuff people often qoute. I just trawl a bit and practice expanding knowledge from a point source. i don't read music books much, except for musician bio's and articles. I am a bit more active in my pursuit of visual stimulation. I like to watch animation and films. I am most active in pursuing my musical stumulation, though. Probably 70\20\10 (Music\Viz\Read) > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] > >Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 2:47 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: absolutely no loop content > > > > > >now we all know what we are listening to......what are we > >reading? sure, i > >said " time to listen, is time to play" but on some level i > >must read every > >day. a book is easier to take to bed than a guitar or synth > >or computer or > >drums or significant other or fill in the > >blanks......outside of music mags > >and equipment reviews and of course loopers delight, the > >best thing ive read > >in a long time is a wonderful book "Confederacy of Dunces" > >by john kennedy > >toole......the reason i ask this, i dont think that there > >are that many > >loopers on our little globe, in fact ill bet there are more > >shoe fetishes out > >there than us......are there any common denominators that > >lead us to this form > >of expression (looping)......perhaps this is an unanswerable > >question or > >perhaps i should just keep quiet......just wondering......michael > > From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 02:03:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA30167; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:41:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:41:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:12:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content Resent-Message-ID: <"h_pjT.0.896.YU77s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >now we all know what we are listening to......what are we reading? sure, i >said " time to listen, is time to play" but on some level i must read every >day. a book is easier to take to bed than a guitar or synth or computer or >drums or significant other or fill in the blanks......outside of music mags >and equipment reviews and of course loopers delight, the best thing ive read >in a long time is a wonderful book "Confederacy of Dunces" by john kennedy >toole......the reason i ask this, i dont think that there are that many >loopers on our little globe, in fact ill bet there are more shoe fetishes out >there than us......are there any common denominators that lead us to this form >of expression (looping)......perhaps this is an unanswerable question or >perhaps i should just keep quiet......just wondering......michael currently reading some old dude named Rene Descartes from the 1600's. "I think therefore I Loop!" "I loop therefore I covet gear!" "I covet gear therefore I think!" I highly recommend Rene for any looper, as he has his own rather profound approach to looping. Descartes proved himself to be a very bright guy early on, even inventing some fundamental mathematical concepts we all were tortured with as youngsters. And then, convinced of his own mediocrity, he devoted 9 years of his life to eliminating all of his opinions. Descartes developed an exemplary approach to thought, whereby he would: never accept anything to be true which he did not absolutely know to be true; divide difficult problems into as many simple parts as possible, so that they can more easily be solved; conduct his thinking in order from the simplest and easiest to prove through to the more complex; and last, to make his studies so complete and general as to not omit anything. Then, after this remarkable effort, Rene employs an amazing bit of circular logic to prove the existence of God in just three rather convoluted sentences. Impressive! I heartily encourage you all to create music in that fashion. In fact, reminds me of many posts here on Looper's Delight. Sadly, although Rene is considered the Father of Modern Philosophy, he did not live long enough to invent his own looper or compose any influential loop music, as he certainly would have. The queen of Sweden hired him to be her tutor, and demanded that he begin instruction at 5am in cold Sweden. He died within months. I'm sure the same would happen to me.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 02:03:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA29752; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:40:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:40:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <2.2.32.19980925005710.009e6918@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:27:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Zoom & DOD as loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"R0uQH.0.HA6.kU77s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:50 AM -0700 10/7/98, David Myers wrote: >Re the current talk about the Zoom 2100: if I am not mistaken, it appears >that this unit will only trap sample segments, i.e., it won't allow >continuous input to layer sounds over time. I'm not sure that in the >context of Looper's Delight this is looping at all. At any rate, it's a >very important distinction to make. I hope anyone who has actually used >the unit will correct me if I am wrong about the 2100. I wouldn't say that it's Not Looping, just that it's lacking a feature that many people find very critical. I think that features like this are important things to consider in looking at many of these new devices. Many of them have user interfaces that are not very friendly for live performance and real-time use, and many of them do little more than "capture audio, repeat it." Jamman, Boomerang, and Echoplex have been out for years now and offer many more loop functions than this basic idea, and are much easier to use. I think we oughta expect more out of anything coming out now. >Also, I don't think I've seen mention of the DOD Dimension 12 on the list, http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/dimension12/D12.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA04168; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:59:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:59:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981007234153.00919650@pop.nwlink.com> References: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:32:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: TC-2290? Resent-Message-ID: <"otXjg1.0._d6.PZ77s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I thought I'd abuse myself and check out the TC Electronics site. When I >was checking out the info on the TC-2290, it sounded like it had been >updated from the older model. > >Does anyone have any info on these, such as price, stereo, how they compare >to an Echoplex? > one bit of info....when I talked to a tc engineer at last year's LA NAMM show, he said the memory used for upgrading it had been discontinued, so you can't make it do long delays anymore. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA12820; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:20:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:20:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:02:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #154 Resent-Message-ID: <"LqHP31.0._Q1.Z_77s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I was not going to buy any "small" loopers, because i thought the EDP >would be a much better tool. >However, this ZOOM cost me $300 Australian, has a few decent features, >but an Echoplex would cost me $3000 to get shipped over. >Hardly an option at the moment. > >Chalk up one thing living in the US has going for it - much lower >prices\higher wages. I just checked exchange rates, which are: Rate: Australian Dollar per 1 United States Dollar : 1.618647 So if an echoplex costs US$650, it would be AUS$1052, right? Is shipping really going to cost you AUS$1948 ($1203)? Somehow that seems a wee little bit exaggerated. :-) Or is there some sort of exhorbitant down-under tax? Mel Gibson moved to LA and now you have to make up the difference from his lost income taxes? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA05898; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:22:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:22:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361C80D0.C8A393C5@nyfac.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:07:29 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: Second Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: perversion of contact microphones References: <01bdf24e$9b92c520$2a1cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RUk6q.0.t57.7MC7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anybody ever use that EH drum trigger before? What it is essentially is a contact mic inside a Big Muff sheet metal box with a cork pad. Anyway, I pulled the mic out of there a while ago and used it to record all kinds of goofy, goofy stuff. Lo-fi redefined. tdb -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA02523; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:14:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:14:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361C81BE.9B4B54B0@nyfac.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:11:26 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: Second Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Computer Studios References: <8cfe88a.361c0c91@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nnBZL2.0.XW7.mPC7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com GRAIGORY2@aol.com wrote: > Any tips on getting the least amount of noise possible from a PC? Not to mention the acoustic noise from the fan inside. The old 486DX2 I used to run Session8 on sounded like a chainsaw. It was only really noticable when recording vocals, but I used a delightful (!) software gate that chopped all that stuff out. Acoustic guitars would be a bit of a hassle, I think. tdb -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA21455; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:42:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:42:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:25:15 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: TC-2290? Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810080525_MC2-5C0A-12D6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"8Y70z3.0.zQ3.rI87s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I might not be up-to-date on this but to my knowladge there hasn't been an update for the 2290 in years. t.c. is still a rather small company (although rapidly growing) and I guess they need all their R&D manpower to develop new products.So as far as looping goes a lot is missing here like reverse play, serveral loops etc.; stereo can be achieved using two units. Anyway it's quite amazing that an FX-unit introduced in the mid-eighties (!) is still available at all and that has to do with the simply incredible sonic quality of this box. For example, when my preamp broke down in mid-gig I rewired the rig & made do in much haste with a sansamp pedal into the 2290 into pwr amp/speakers. Was amazed about a solid clean sound and even a nice, smooth overdrive for my guitar. But afterwards I found that the setting of the sansamp was dead clean and the quite nice & musical breakup in the sound was coming out of the 2290's input stage! From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA11896; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:35:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:35:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361C855F.A50B51F0@nyfac.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:26:56 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: Second Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content References: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KW0Mf1.0.5D1.JeC7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com South of Heaven, Jim Thompson The Golden Gizmo, Mr Thompson Heaven's Reach, David Brin Foundation's Fear, Gregory Benford ProTools manual, Satan tdb -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA00576; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:12:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:12:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:00:02 -0400 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199810081000.AA27203@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: clever idea mercilessly crushed Resent-Message-ID: <"svQaV.0.kk6.1p87s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For a while I've been working on the design for a performance-oriented MIDI looper, since there are a lot of interesting possibilities that can't be done with audio (e.g. successive loop iterations are played through different patches). One neat idea I had would be to arrange the delay to go 'backwards', with successive echoes louder, until they reached a maximum volume and disappeared. This would allow one to do the traditional "add-new-material as old material is fading out" sort of looping, but with a radically different feel. Just to be different. Now, you could do this with digital audio and a very long delay with a lot of multi-taps, but that doesn't sound very easy to arrange. So, then I was thinking, though, if you just recorded a "normal" evolving lopo forwards and played it backwards, it would have a similar effect, except the notes themselves would be backwards. This then led me to the crucial clever idea of doing the same thing that is done for backwards echo in the studio: record the material forwards, play the tape backwards while adding echo, and then play the whole thing forwards. This has problems since you don't know how it's going to come out in the end, and performed-layered-looping kind of requires this, so I hacked around it as follows: setup up the looper however you want it. Record your material, played through the looper, but only record the pre-looped signal. When done, flip the tape, run the loops on the recorded mateirla backwards, *without changing any looper settings*. This roughly guarantees that the matieral will sync up backwards the same as it did forwards. (Note, though, that you can't really do anything clever, like multiplying). So, a few months ago, I played around with it. It was kind of cool, but I wasn't that inspired at the time, so I put the idea away for a rainy day as 'something cool to play with later'. The other day I was listening to Fripp & Eno's "Evening Star". Seems it's *not* a very original idea after all. Sean From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA13412; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:45:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:45:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361C9680.B6DF9B0A@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 06:40:01 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 loopy samples References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZVUKl1.0.KS2.HN97s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Toneworks AX1G http://www.korg.com/ax1gb.htm has an expression pedal that can control some looper functions and it runs on baterries; 14 hrs on 4 AA bats.And it aparently does reverse playback, hifi,lofi, layering etc. It doesn't say how much memory there is though, anybody check this one yet? Jeff Jamie Lack wrote: > The 2100 has a sound on sound delay mode, with at least six seconds of > delay. > > I contend your statement about sample triggering not being looping. > > You get 3 samples on the zoom 2100. > You can make them loop if you try. > You can mix them, trigger them, play them ryhtmically, and overaly them. > You can also replace them while playing others. > > It definitely loops. > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: David Myers [mailto:dmgraph@pulsewidth.com] > > >Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 2:50 AM > > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > >Subject: Zoom & DOD as loopers > > > > > > > > >Re the current talk about the Zoom 2100: if I am not > > >mistaken, it appears > > >that this unit will only trap sample segments, i.e., it won't allow > > >continuous input to layer sounds over time. I'm not sure that in the > > >context of Looper's Delight this is looping at all. At any > > >rate, it's a > > >very important distinction to make. I hope anyone who has > > >actually used > > >the unit will correct me if I am wrong about the 2100. > > > > > >Also, I don't think I've seen mention of the DOD Dimension > > >12 on the list, > > >and a search of the archives didn't bring it up. From a > > >review I saw, it > > >seems that in "delay" mode the Dimension 12 will give 12 > > >seconds of true > > >layered looping. The only apparent bummer is no sync input, > > >but being able > > >to dial in exact delay times would deal with that pretty > > >well--enough so > > >for my needs at present, anyway. I'm looking to add some > > >minor looping > > >capability to my setup and haven't spotted a Digitech 7.6 or > > >8000 for some > > >time, so the Dimension 12 (at about $240 street) looks > > >pretty good. Anyone > > >tried one? > > > > > >David Myers > > > From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA17629; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:18:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:18:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:55:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199810081155.GAA19534@mw1.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: RE: Loop reading. Resent-Message-ID: <"bJTjj.0.fv1.dVA7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >best thing ive read >> >in a long time is a wonderful book "Confederacy of Dunces" >> >by john kennedy >> >toole... yes a wonderful book,,,,, unfortunately the author tried unsuccesfully to get this book published,,,to no avail,,,fell deeper into depression,,and commited suicide. After his death, his mother took the book to Walker Percy (the moviegoer, etc.) and he helped get it published...it went on to win a pulitzer. one man's trash is another man's treasure most recent fiction read was "One Hundred Years of Solitude" by Gabriel Garcia Marquez...ive read it about 3 times over the years,,,wanted to read it again...i dont do much fiction currently reading " Vimana in Ancient India" by Dileep K. Kanjilal, Ph.D..........sometime truth is starnger than fiction anyway laterfolks, james From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA29578; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:47:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:47:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: Recordings Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:34:56 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bdf2b8$103ed760$ab165c8b@briant.ibm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"OcYIN1.0.Zo5.Q4B7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I swore I wasn't going to do this, but here goes nuffink' Goldie: Saturnz Return (the 2CD new one recommended by dt - try the 60-min long orchestral suite "Mother" for starters... then Bowie gets involved) Photek: modus operandi (purist minimalist drum&bass - new one "form and function" due soon/now) projeKCt two: space groove (Q: what planet are these guys on? A: Zarg - Music for Spaceports) Rush: Test For Echo (a bit mainstream, but oh, those gtr textures) Bill Frisell Band Live (eine Klein-e guitarklangfarbensloopentechnik) Yello: Flag (1987? pull the other one, it's got bells on) Bill Nelson: What Now, What Next (80-90 retrospective on DGM - his lack of critical recognition is little short of criminal) Squarepusher: Hard Normal Daddy (shocking drum&bass&fusion) Markus Reuter: Taster (Warr Games in Bielefeld - what goes around, comes around - excellent purist looping) James: Whiplash The Thought Industry Presents (Michigan ProgThrash?) U.Srinivas & Michael Brook: Dream (sublime) Enough about others: I bought a Korg DL8000R ten days ago, and I should have a review for the digest & site in a few more days. In the meantime, have a look at http://www.korg.com/dl8000r.htm if you're curious... Brian Thomson, London UK bnt@ibm.net bnt@email.com 'To ask "How are things?" of a professional musician is likely to invite an answer which few would want to take on board. "Oh, thanks - things are corrupt, avaricious, lying is common currency, but deceit by stealth is of greater concern. How are you?"' -- Robert "Capt. Fribble" Fripp, September 1998 From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA29855; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:47:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:47:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: Recordings Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:38:07 +0100 Message-ID: <000101bdf2b8$80568520$ab165c8b@briant.ibm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"mM7eT1.0.G96.U7B7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I swore I wasn't going to do this, but here goes nuffink' Goldie: Saturnz Return (the 2CD new one recommended by dt - try the 60-min long orchestral suite "Mother" for starters... then Bowie gets involved) Photek: modus operandi (purist minimalist drum&bass - new one "form and function" due soon/now) projeKCt two: space groove (Q: what planet are these guys on? A: Zarg - Music for Spaceports) Rush: Test For Echo (a bit mainstream, but oh, those gtr textures) Bill Frisell Band Live (eine Klein-e guitarklangfarbensloopentechnik) Yello: Flag (1987? pull the other one, it's got bells on) Bill Nelson: What Now, What Next (80-90 retrospective on DGM - his lack of critical recognition is little short of criminal) Squarepusher: Hard Normal Daddy (shocking drum&bass&fusion) Markus Reuter: Taster (Warr Games in Bielefeld - what goes around, comes around - excellent purist looping) James: Whiplash The Thought Industry Presents (Michigan ProgThrash?) U.Srinivas & Michael Brook: Dream (sublime) Enough about others: I bought a Korg DL8000R ten days ago, and I should have a review for the digest & site in a few more days. In the meantime, have a look at http://www.korg.com/dl8000r.htm if you're curious... Brian Thomson, London UK bnt@ibm.net bnt@email.com 'To ask "How are things?" of a professional musician is likely to invite an answer which few would want to take on board. "Oh, thanks - things are corrupt, avaricious, lying is common currency, but deceit by stealth is of greater concern. How are you?"' -- Robert "Capt. Fribble" Fripp, September 1998 From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA32253; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:07:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:07:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:24:31 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Computer Studios Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"B84mo.0.S93.DpB7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yea, I plan on getting the Layla.. is that considered an I/O card? From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA29800; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:14:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:14:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810081501.LAA16920@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: non looping reading material Resent-Message-ID: <"47Se3.0.ee5.IDD7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Music and The Spiritual Dimension- RJ Stewart- rereading- lots of interesting takes on the use and misuse of music, for the pro and non-pro Gallilee-Clive Barker -just finished, another great book, maybe not as great as Imajica or Weaveworld, but still, right up there The Celtic World edited by Miranda Green- research for a book I'm cowriting Tales of The Celtic Otherworld-John Matthews- great stories and artwork- very inspiring pics to 'loop the mood' contained in them. All reading, except the Clive Barker, is done in bits and pieces as time permits. With Clive's books, I make it a point to block out hours at a stretch. Frank Gerace Dreamchild From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA08336; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:39:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:39:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981008121905.006ba1d4@fuzzy.brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@fuzzy.brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:19:05 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Wanted: Source for Echoplex in Canada Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GSWd51.0.5k7.jUD7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folks, I am thinking about buying an Echoplex, but it appears that not all dealers carry them, and finding one in Canada seems to be even more difficult than it is in the US. I just received the following response from a major Canadian music dealer: >>>> The Oberheim Echoplex does exist. I have sold about seven of the units this year. The reason I say they exist is that they took over a year to come in from Oberheim initially, and delivery continues to be slow and unpredictable. Nevertheless, I have had good luck in getting them as our store has a decent relationship with the Oberheim people; I'm pretty sure I can get more. The unit last sold for $1,050.00 CDN plus tax; the footswitch sells for $175 CDN plus tax. If you can handle this I can tell you that this is the best unit of its kind, and I would be happy to get you one. All I ask for is patience, and a 10% deposit. <<<< So far, that is the ONLY positive response I received :-( One US dealer -- Synthony, I believe -- said that they didn't handle Echoplexes at all, and I have received no reply from the few other US and Canadian suppliers that I have corresponded with. Surely, there is a way to get an Echoplex in this part of the world without waiting for a year. The price above is equivalent to about US$660. Is this reasonable? I prefer to buy in Canada because of the customs/currency hassles. Can anyone give me an email address and/or telephone number of a Canadian dealer who has one of these in stock at a decent price? Thanks in advance, Howard ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA08135; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:48:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:48:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00019D7B.4007@poyry.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:35:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Y2K Resent-Message-ID: <"jOPM63.0.HC.mbE7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:16 PM -0700 10/7/98, MAT wrote: >Does anybody know if loop machines, delays, reverbs etc. will be affected >by the Y2K bug? Not directly, but, like many animals, they can sense the fear and unease of their owners and may get nervious or skittish mirroring the anxiety of their keepers. Chris __________________________________________________________________ Christopher Bryan Muir | "I had another dream the other day "Hurt Symphonic Barrier" | about music critics. They were http://www.xfade.com/ | small and rodent-like with cbm@well.com | padlocked ears." - Igor Stravinsky From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:26:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA01180; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:43:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:43:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:30:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"paH_l.0.Aj5.-IF7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I swore I wasn't going to do this, but here goes nuffink' > >Goldie: Saturnz Return (the 2CD new one recommended by dt - try the 60-min >long orchestral suite "Mother" for starters... then Bowie gets involved) > I dunno, "Mother" struck me as pretty unbearable. Worse than the most overblown prog-rock. THe 2nd disc is pretty terrific though. >Photek: modus operandi (purist minimalist drum&bass - new one "form and >function" due soon/now) Form & Function is out, at least in the states, and it's really good. I like it quite a bit more than Modus, F&F seems to be focussed more on pure drum textures. Listening to Photek is, for me at least, like eavesdropping on the internal conversations of an obsessive/compulsive. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:26:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA17921; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:20:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:20:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361D00AA.ED175F12@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:13:11 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: content? yes! References: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> <3.0.1.16.19981008112022.1d8f2ce4@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A10CBE31CE8152ADD5CF4A5C" Resent-Message-ID: <"QUEOJ3.0.EY2.WwF7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com  

Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD wrote:

Was God in the "Loop" bit or "Covet Gear" bits?
Yo, I thought *he* was in the details...

 On the nightstand currently:

Edward Edinger- Anatomy of the Psyche - An Exploration of Jungian Psychology Through Alchemical Symbolism
Edward Tufte- Visual Explanations
Marc Reisner- Cadillac Desert
Stewart Brand- How Buildings Learn
Coleman Barks- The Essential Rumi
Amos Tutuola- My Life in the Bush of Ghosts

Quote of the moment:

"...you don't read women authors, do you?"

-Dylan, 1988
 

8^)*

Lance G. From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA23468; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:47:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:47:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19981008112022.1d8f2ce4@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:20:22 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD" Subject: absolutely no philosophy content In-Reply-To: References: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GBFav3.0.Qt3.HN87s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Descartes got it all wrong: >"I think therefore I Loop!" >"I loop therefore I covet gear!" >"I covet gear therefore I think!" ...yeah, he may have said this but did he PRACTISE what he PREACHED? NO!! If he was a well known Echoplex endorser, who raved about his Klein, then maybe.... > Then, after this remarkable effort, Rene employs an amazing bit of circular > logic to prove the existence of God in just three rather convoluted > sentences. Was God in the "Loop" bit or "Covet Gear" bits? >Sadly, although Rene is considered the Father of Modern Philosophy, he did >not live long enough to invent his own looper or compose any influential >loop music, as he certainly would have. No, I reckon you should go back to Pythagoras, who composed the Looping of the Spheres by creating tones using whole SOLAR SYSTEMS! Or was that Kepler? Michael (PS Reading Kerouac's Dharma Bums right now.) Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow UK G12 8QQ -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Confront your enemies, avoid them when you can - a gentleman will walk but never run" -Sting, "Englishman in New York" -------------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA03319; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:03:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:03:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361D08E5.8670B706@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 19:48:05 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #156 References: <199810080707.DAA26770@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AMO7F3.0.e_6.zWG7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was saddened to hear of your bereavement. Tell me how did it happen? Was it a protracted illness or did the end come suddenly? Are you donating the organs to science? Condolences :( Gareth Dear all, > > My echoplex just died the great and tragic death, and I was wondering what was > still available and at what price ranges. From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA13388; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:24:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:24:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981008191143.00d6a8ec@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:11:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: content? bah! Resent-Message-ID: <"JO9te1.0.FT1.NtG7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:13 AM 10/8/98 -0700, lance glover wrote: > > >Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD wrote: > >> Was God in the "Loop" bit or "Covet Gear" bits? > >Yo, I thought *he* was in the details... no, you're thinking of that other guy. and y'all better not be covetting my loop gear or I'll be doin' a Ken Starr on yo' ass. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA16083; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:54:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:54:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981008214203.5200.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:42:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Wanted: Source for Echoplex in Canada To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"wbyGY.0.RF2.73J7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---Howard Harawitz wrote: The price above is equivalent to about US$660. Is this > reasonable? Yes, $660 usd seems good. I am seeing the EDP at several USA mail order houses for $699, and EDP footpedal for $109-$135. bret _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA17541; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:12:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:12:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <90968aec.361d40d9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:46:49 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Y2K Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"ihrU11.0.cT1.Y2K7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The year 2K bug, will only affect these machines if and only if they are database driven! So, no, none of these machines should be affected by the problem of a roll-over in date, unless it is hooked up to your PC, in which case it is a definite possibility that you'll be in for a bit of a shock one day! Lee From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA28119; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:37:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:37:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <3e48fc72.361d4810@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:17:36 EDT To: sgoodman@earthlight.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Computer Studios Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"2I-RU.0.dw4.TXK7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, Sorry, that this is not quite about delays/sampling and such, but one site for hardware to check out is http://www.paris.ensoniq.com This has been one of the quietest pieces of computer audio recording equipment I have come across. As for the rest of the PC, the biggest thing is to get a case/power supply that is A/V compliant (in otherwords, actually designed for being used in a studio environment). I concur with another post which states that the best way to handle the audio signal is to keep it digital going into the PC and leaving. http://www.wmcmusic.com has had the stock and answers for me for a while, now. If you're desperate for going through a soundcard, the Yamaha pro series has worked really well for me, and the DAC and ADC are fairly quiet. I just had to get used to sending a fairly hot signal into the PC, in question. Other issues that shall come up are money, type of hardware used, and Operating System. Personally, I've been really happy with a Linux/NT4.0 box that was not that pricey to create. The video card, audio I/O card, sound card and the hard drives were the most expensive items in the box. The rest were picked up a piece or two at a time through different computer shows, and through the Internet. http://www.marketpro.com and http://www.pricewatch.com Anywho, hopes this helps out! Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA15148; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:21:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:21:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <6292d60b.361d550d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:13:01 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #156 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"Grwob1.0.Ej2.UJL7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, My poor echoplex decided that the time to have its primary recording head and the tape to become one would be most prime if would do so during a practice run... The carcass was just about removed from the room and taken into the new hands of some cannibal who plans on taking out the rather pristine breadboards and the rest of the unit, so that his others might live. Thank you for your concern and sorry, the gent was in the room when she stuttered and finally started to spill her life's stream of information all over the floor, besides coughing up a capstan for good measure. So, to make life a little easier, I am thinking about going digital in an attempt of avoiding such mishaps in the future. Something about a decline in possible sound quality but less moving parts! This is a great forum. Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:28:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA26544; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:14:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:14:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <361D55B1.B32F967@csi.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 01:15:45 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Y2K References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"biIt-3.0.QY5.bMR7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All loops must end on 9/9/99. Please contact your local purveyor of fine musical instruments for information on purchasing a suitable replacement device. -robber ;-) "if a six was a nine, we would shine" Chris Muir schrieb: > > At 11:16 PM -0700 10/7/98, MAT wrote: > >Does anybody know if loop machines, delays, reverbs etc. will be affected > >by the Y2K bug? > > Not directly, but, like many animals, they can sense the fear and unease of > their owners and may get nervious or skittish mirroring the anxiety of > their keepers. > > Chris > > __________________________________________________________________ > Christopher Bryan Muir | "I had another dream the other day > "Hurt Symphonic Barrier" | about music critics. They were > http://www.xfade.com/ | small and rodent-like with > cbm@well.com | padlocked ears." - Igor Stravinsky From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA17142; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:26:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:26:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:17:03 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: content? bah! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"kJbAx2.0.p53.-ML7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So Kim, Would this mean that you'd take the job writing for Mr. Flynt? :) From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA08514; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:21:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:21:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE:OZ price for Echoplex. Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:10:26 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"JZWgA1.0.zf.h8M7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Firstly there are two channels to go through to get an EDP to Australia. Go through the single Gibson distributor, and pay $3000, no chance of getting a good price on a one off. Or try and ship one over myself. The best price I have been able to get so far is from Bananas at large, which is $755 for the EDP, pedal board and full RAM. Add an extra $200 US for insured shipping. The australian dollar when I checked last recently was at $0.55 US, so that made 1:1.82 That makes the base price $1374, and shipping $364. For Australian duties and tax the calculation goes: Purchase price "lifted an extra %20 for tax and duty calculation" (It's a legislation) So that makes the amount tax is calculated on is 1374*1.2 = 1649. Tax is %25.4, and duty is another %5 or %10. So depending on how they calculate it, the price could be $620 extra. That makes $1994, plus $364 shipping. Which makes a grand total for this method $2358. Somewhat cheaper than the "Proper channels" method, however, I would invalidate any warranty or support claims by not going through the Australian distributor. It is unlikely that I could ever send the EDP back to the US to get it repaired if something odd happened to it, so the risk is quite a bit higher than a normal purchase. If the exchange get's more favourable, I will get an EDP, but not at $2400. As for Mel Gibson > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] > >Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 7:03 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #154 > > > > > >>I was not going to buy any "small" loopers, because i > >thought the EDP > >>would be a much better tool. > >>However, this ZOOM cost me $300 Australian, has a few > >decent features, > >>but an Echoplex would cost me $3000 to get shipped over. > >>Hardly an option at the moment. > >> > >>Chalk up one thing living in the US has going for it - much lower > >>prices\higher wages. > > > >I just checked exchange rates, which are: > >Rate: Australian Dollar per 1 United States Dollar : 1.618647 > > > >So if an echoplex costs US$650, it would be AUS$1052, right? > >Is shipping > >really going to cost you AUS$1948 ($1203)? Somehow that > >seems a wee little > >bit exaggerated. :-) Or is there some sort of exhorbitant > >down-under tax? > >Mel Gibson moved to LA and now you have to make up the > >difference from his > >lost income taxes? > > > >kim > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________ > >_________ > >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >kflint@annihilist.com | > >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > > > >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA25191; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:14:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:14:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361D7F6B.5CF7@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 20:13:47 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F0zXi3.0.BU4.WlN7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dave Trenkel wrote: > >Goldie: Saturnz Return (the 2CD new one recommended by dt - try the 60-min > >long orchestral suite "Mother" for starters... then Bowie gets involved) > > > I dunno, "Mother" struck me as pretty unbearable. Worse than the most > overblown prog-rock. THe 2nd disc is pretty terrific though. I think there's a pretty decent 40-45 minute album hidden somewhere within the 120 + minutes of SaturnzReturn. The first disc is long for the sake of being long; the second one has a few really nice bits (the first three tunes, for my money), and a few other bits that might be bearable if brought down to a managable length. Too much of that album smacks of length for its own sake -- raw repetition without any good musical reason for it. > >Photek: modus operandi (purist minimalist drum&bass - new one "form and > >function" due soon/now) > > Form & Function is out, at least in the states, and it's really good. I > like it quite a bit more than Modus, F&F seems to be focussed more on pure > drum textures. Listening to Photek is, for me at least, like eavesdropping > on the internal conversations of an obsessive/compulsive. I heard some of the older bits on F+F and liked it, but the newer stuff, like just about all the jungle I've heard come out of Britain over the last year or so, is just horrendously discouraging to me. It seems like there's some sort of contest in Britain as to who can come up with the stiffest, simplest, most un-funky beats. The complexity and unpredictable nature of the rhythms that made it such an unusual style a few year ago seems to have been more or less discarded in favor of dishing out a stiff drum-machine emulation of an eight-note rock beat (or, at best, "Funky Drummer" played at 160 BPM, a la Roni Size). Anybody have any reasons why this is the case? Or compelling arguments to the contrary? About the only new (post-'96) jungle I've heard that consistently excites me as much as the older stuff is LA-based DJ Hive and some bits on the new DJ Spooky album; I wonder if the US is due to start picking up the slack in the near future... --Andre From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:28:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA22370; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:22:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:22:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199810090414.VAA03219@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:14:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> from "Nemoguitt@aol.com" at Oct 8, 98 00:47:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HLqAW.0.EV4.zqO7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > now we all know what we are listening to......what are we reading? sure, i Recent reading: Appleseed by Masamune Shirow The adventures of Deunan Knute and her cyborg buddy Briareos on a post-Apocalyptic Earth The Art Of Hitting by Tony Gwynn Padres' outfielder/8-time NL batting champion Gwynn explains his hitting approach in this autobiography, with plenty of discussion on a host of baseball topics. Recommended for any baseball fan, regardless of team affiliation. :) Memories: The Collection by Katsuhiro Otomo A collection of short works by Japanese comic artist Otomo, probably best known for _Akira_. Contains a hilarious story prominently featuring a King Crimson LP. Carson Of Venus by Edgar Rice Burroughs Burroughs needs no introduction for fans of classic science fiction novels. Love Song: 4 Tales by Shoujo Artist Keiko Nishi A bitter, abusive young woman... 3 sisters sharing a dark secret... the class nerd suddenly gains psychic powers... a factory worker in space dreams of life on Earth. Cheers, Paolo From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:28:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA31589; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:45:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:45:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361D933C.5D6C127E@musician.org> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:38:27 -0700 From: eric potter Reply-To: eric@musician.org Organization: Hog Wild Music and Sound FX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FS: digitech hell References: <19981005154537450.AAA176@sex.austintx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9tyAz3.0.na6.-8P7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did you sell these yet? If not, let me know! eric p los angeles Dain R. Luscombe wrote: > hey guys I figured I'd give you guys first dibs on some looping tech. > Kinda low tech but for you cheapo loopers it should suffice quite well. > > Digitech 1002 two second delay pedal: this is is the basic light blue 2 > sec unit with two pedals, one to turn the effect on the other to hold the > loop infinitely. has a range from 2 sec to 125 msecs. > Digitech 20/20 two sec delay pedal: this is a variation on above, it is > red and has the same specs but with an LFO to control delay speed, you > control width and speed. You can get everything from flange and doubling > sounds to setting a loop and having it speed up and slow down like a record > player. > > I'd like to sell the lot for 75$ plus shipping for both units or cool > trades for broken analog stuff. They both work although they are both old > beat up and the switch contacts are dirty. They are fine for home use when > you have time to press the switches again and again till they turn on, but > not for live use unless you want to switch them on and leave them looping > (as we are want to do anyway). > anyway, let me know if you have any offers. Thanks guys. > > dain From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:28:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA01106; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:13:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:13:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361DA794.9391D646@jps.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 23:05:09 -0700 From: Roland Eberle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: FS: DigiTech RDS 7.6 Time Machine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6x3--2.0.bD7.aUQ7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have an "extra" time machine (7.6 sec)...dead mint with original manual (built in power supply...yay! no wall wart!) $200 shipped in continental US if you'll prepay via US Postal Money Order...cod ok but you pay shipping cost plus the $5 UPS cod fee. From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:28:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA03086; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:18:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:18:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981009061245.28777.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:12:45 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Not Fade Away To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"MiLEb3.0.Kq7.oXQ7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is there anybody out there? == John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:28:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA19854; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:58:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:58:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:52:04 -0400 (EDT) From: David Talento X-Sender: legion@unix01 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content In-Reply-To: <199810090414.VAA03219@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Ja2rH.0.2y3.n8R7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > now we all know what we are listening to......what are we reading? I spent an hour or so reading all the rants on Robert Fripp's Discipline Global Mobile Web site. The mock interview it pure frippp in humor and a bit close to the bone. Don't have the URL handy but altavista popped it up first try... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. Visit it at: Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/weird.htm From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:28:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA14275; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:03:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:03:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361DC0E2.F8FFBE43@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 00:53:14 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Recordings: absolutely some loop content References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-yk7H.0.Qc1.HxR7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just curious, but... Of all the current listening, I saw no mention of Lanois' Sling Blade soundtrack. I haven't heard it in a while, hence it wasn't on my list, but I did happen to listen to it yesterday, and am still amazed by some of his tasteful loops, especially with the Kay tremolo. And "The Maker" is just as powerful a tune as the first time I heard it (yikes, 1989!). He gigged at a record store here in Santa Monica a while back (w/ E.Harris), and I was able to check out his gear; a (very) nice collection of vintage Fenders, AC30, several Kay thingies, 'Rang, and a whole lot of (not so) slight-of-hand with patchcords between tunes... fwiw Lance G. From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 03:53:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA17917; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 05:43:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 05:43:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361DD6BC.7D2D7677@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 05:26:21 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Not Fade Away References: <19981009061245.28777.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DIVeV.0.1S2.5OT7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, John Tidwell wrote: > Is there anybody out there? > > == > John Tidwell > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA21612; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:14:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:14:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <361D55B1.B32F967@csi.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:06:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Y2K Resent-Message-ID: <"3nhhO.0.l93.RiU7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm sorry to report that we've discovered a curious Y2K bug in our Echoplex code. Seems that pressing Multiply, Insert, and Undo simultaneously with SamplerStyle=ATT, exactly at the stroke of midnight for Y2K causes the available loop memory to triple. No kidding! We don't understand this bug at all, and are working desperately to fix it in time. I suggest that, rather than take a chance, you should turn your echoplex off during this period, drink heavily, and try to kiss as many people as possible while the fireworks are going off. That should keep your echoplex safe. That's what I'm going to do.... kim At 5:15 PM -0700 10/8/98, Cummings wrote: >All loops must end on 9/9/99. Please contact your local purveyor of >fine musical instruments for information on purchasing a suitable >replacement device. > >-robber ;-) >"if a six was a nine, we would shine" > > >Chris Muir schrieb: >> >> At 11:16 PM -0700 10/7/98, MAT wrote: >> >Does anybody know if loop machines, delays, reverbs etc. will be affected >> >by the Y2K bug? >> >> Not directly, but, like many animals, they can sense the fear and unease of >> their owners and may get nervious or skittish mirroring the anxiety of >> their keepers. >> >> Chris >> >> __________________________________________________________________ >> Christopher Bryan Muir | "I had another dream the other day >> "Hurt Symphonic Barrier" | about music critics. They were >> http://www.xfade.com/ | small and rodent-like with >> cbm@well.com | padlocked ears." - Igor Stravinsky ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 03:53:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA00447; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:21:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:21:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004901bdf36c$77e732e0$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Childrens' Sequencer Program Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:06:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Icqd41.0.sR6.z-T7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the sequence) that produce an endless loop? I want to introduce my kids to looping. Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA19247; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:08:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:08:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <361D7F6B.5CF7@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:22:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"afQI_1.0.2A3.TiU7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >Photek: modus operandi (purist minimalist drum&bass - new one "form and >> >function" due soon/now) >> >> Form & Function is out, at least in the states, and it's really good. I >> like it quite a bit more than Modus, F&F seems to be focussed more on pure >> drum textures. Listening to Photek is, for me at least, like eavesdropping >> on the internal conversations of an obsessive/compulsive. > >I heard some of the older bits on F+F and liked it, but the newer stuff, >like just about all the jungle I've heard come out of Britain over the >last year or so, is just horrendously discouraging to me. It seems like >there's some sort of contest in Britain as to who can come up with the >stiffest, simplest, most un-funky beats. > > The complexity and >unpredictable nature of the rhythms that made it such an unusual style a >few year ago seems to have been more or less discarded in favor of >dishing out a stiff drum-machine emulation of an eight-note rock beat >(or, at best, "Funky Drummer" played at 160 BPM, a la Roni Size). That dreadful two-step rhythm. yes, it's been really, really boring. Thing is, I hear people complain about how boring it is all the time, yet it keeps hanging in there. dnb styles usually change pretty rapidly, hopefully this variant will go away soon. >Anybody have any reasons why this is the case? Or compelling arguments >to the contrary? About the only new (post-'96) jungle I've heard that >consistently excites me as much as the older stuff is LA-based DJ Hive >and some bits on the new DJ Spooky album; I wonder if the US is due to >start picking up the slack in the near future... y'know, I've heard a lot of television commercials with really cool backing music in the past couple of years. That's where I've heard the best drum n' bass lately. MTV promos between videos are usually pretty hip too. Usually the best stuff on MTV... Anybody know how that happens? Do the people making these ads just leave the music for the last minute and take whatever gets handed to them? Was the jingle industry quitely disappeared and replace by avant-garde composers? In any case, seems like a fine place for some wild loops. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA16969; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:03:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:03:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981008121905.006ba1d4@fuzzy.brooknorth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:30:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Wanted: Source for Echoplex in Canada Resent-Message-ID: <"5Ciag1.0.MC3.liU7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey- I think you're working off some old news here. For a period about 1-2 years ago, Oberheim was having all sorts of production trouble, and was way behind. Waiting lists for the echoplex were six months long or worse. Over the past year though, they fixed their problems and got echoplex production ramped up to meet all the demand. These days, Oberheim is busting them out and most OB dealers have them in stock. I guess if you can't find one at the usual places noted (bananas at large, musicians friend, mars music, 8th street music, all do mail order...), then contact OB to help you fnd a dealer with units available. The OB customer service person is: Mike Ayers . good luck, kim At 8:19 AM -0700 10/8/98, Howard Harawitz wrote: >Hi folks, > >I am thinking about buying an Echoplex, but it appears that not all dealers >carry them, and finding one in Canada seems to be even more difficult than >it is in the US. I just received the following response from a major >Canadian music dealer: > >>>>> >The Oberheim Echoplex does exist. I have sold about seven of the units >this year. The reason I say they exist is that they took over a year to >come in from Oberheim initially, and delivery continues to be slow and >unpredictable. Nevertheless, I have had good luck in getting them as our >store has a decent relationship with the Oberheim people; I'm pretty sure >I can get more. The unit last sold for $1,050.00 CDN plus tax; the >footswitch sells for $175 CDN plus tax. >If you can handle this I can tell you that this is the best unit of its >kind, and I would be happy to get you one. All I ask for is patience, and >a 10% deposit. ><<<< > >So far, that is the ONLY positive response I received :-( One US dealer -- >Synthony, I believe -- said that they didn't handle Echoplexes at all, and >I have received no reply from the few other US and Canadian suppliers that >I have corresponded with. > >Surely, there is a way to get an Echoplex in this part of the world without >waiting for a year. The price above is equivalent to about US$660. Is this >reasonable? I prefer to buy in Canada because of the customs/currency >hassles. Can anyone give me an email address and/or telephone number of a >Canadian dealer who has one of these in stock at a decent price? > >Thanks in advance, > >Howard > >========================================================== >Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com >========================================================== >Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. >Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada >Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 >========================================================== >Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA16302; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:01:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:01:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:34:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: content? bah! Resent-Message-ID: <"1dUmk.0.UC3.miU7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >So Kim, > >Would this mean that you'd take the job writing for Mr. Flynt? :) It would certainly pay better than my current job....:-) One letter away from being heir to a porn empire....the tragic story of my life... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA05070; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:54:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:54:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:36:09 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"0e3xy2.0.7K7.lJV7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/9/98 6:23:20 AM, Mark@asisoftware.com writes: >Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old >Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the sequence) >that produce an endless loop? >I want to introduce my kids to looping. i'm curious as to why you've focussed upon introducing yer kids to looping via a 'sequencer', as opposed to having them looping actual audio (via, ya know: EDP, jamman, boomerang, etc.....) ? looping airborne sounds can be such a vivid, visceral experience, i think: what with a microphone, harmonica, hand-drum, turntable, bass, guitar and/or *whatever* as kiddly-controlled input. anyway, in my experience: botha my boys cut their loop-teeth on a PCM42/digitech thingie/jamman, etc.; many years later, botha them continue to loop, as a source for their own enjoyment & creativity. best, dt From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA18513; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:26:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:26:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:11:41 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"en-Ja2.0.3t2.aqV7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> now we all know what we are listening to......what are we reading? recently read, or reading! ::::: girl in landscape: jonathan lethem traveller in space: june campbell black snow: mikhail bulgakov calm abiding & special insight: geshe gedun lodro prisoners of shangri-la: donald lopez music, the brain & ecstacy: robert jourdain void of course: jim carroll the tibetan yogas of dream & sleep: tenzin wangyal rinpoche the pigeon: patrick suskind madness & civilisation: michel foucault the gifts of the jews: thomas cahill enlightened courage: dilgo khyentse the secret lives of alexandra david-neel: barbara & michael foster everyday kabbalah: melinda ribner best, dt From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA22444; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:36:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:36:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b501bdf37f$1708f0e0$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:19:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"FP-Fv1.0.4e3.YxV7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My kids like computer games, and I thought a software sequencer that emulates an old analog sequencer would be easy for them to operate. Also, it's simpler for them to turn on my computer than my looping rig. And the computer is much quieter than my amp. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com -----Original Message----- From: Texture444@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 7:58 AM Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program > >In a message dated 10/9/98 6:23:20 AM, Mark@asisoftware.com writes: > >>Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old >>Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the sequence) >>that produce an endless loop? >>I want to introduce my kids to looping. > >i'm curious as to why you've focussed upon introducing yer kids to looping via >a 'sequencer', as opposed to having them looping actual audio (via, ya know: >EDP, jamman, boomerang, etc.....) ? >looping airborne sounds can be such a vivid, visceral experience, i think: >what with a microphone, harmonica, hand-drum, turntable, bass, guitar and/or >*whatever* as kiddly-controlled input. >anyway, >in my experience: >botha my boys cut their loop-teeth on a PCM42/digitech thingie/jamman, etc.; >many years later, botha them continue to loop, as a source for their own >enjoyment & creativity. >best, >dt > From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA26276; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:44:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:44:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <72c179b5.361e0173@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:28:35 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"TnFEA3.0.Pe4.z4W7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/8/98 8:49:16 AM, somebody wrote: >(the 2CD new one recommended by dt - try the 60-min >long orchestral suite "Mother" for starters... then Bowie gets involved) ummm, uhhh, errr: actually, i don't think i *recommended* this recording (nor *any*thing else on my 2 lists); i only informed that i've been listening to it. so: do i think its worth a listen? yes. does it transport me? just barely. (credit the ever implicit constructions-of-meaning inherent in list-talk.) more specifically, dt From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA03043; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:07:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:07:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981009124314.14536.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.94.66.242] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 05:43:14 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"KpXjv3.0.j76.SIW7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old >Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the sequence) >that produce an endless loop? check out VAZ. it's a software based synthesizer for PC with a 16 step slider-based sequencer. i'm not sure if there's a mac version. i believe there's a demo version out somewhere on the web. i'll see if i can find an url. btw, the synth sounds on VAZ are great, very rich. >I want to introduce my kids to looping. way to go. i'm planning a similar experiment. i plan to sit my (musically-handicapped) girlfriend in front of my computer with sonic foundry's ACID and a directory full of loops. to me, the program is very intuitive. i want to see what sounds come out with a complete novice. matt The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial message... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA09262; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:21:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:21:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981009124736.22923.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.94.66.242] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 05:47:36 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"16gkK1.0.Bb6.YMW7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com re: vaz, check out http://www.software-technology.com/info/softech/vaz.htm The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial message... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:37:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA15254; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:35:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:35:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:56:31 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: absolutely no loop content Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"N6jJY.0.pV7.0VW7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com reading... don delilo ; underworld thomas pynchon : mason & dixon pushkin ; the captains daughter, the snowstorm bulgakov : black snow (unbelievably great even the 2nd time) robert jourdain : music, the brain & ecstacy thomas cahill : how the irish saved civilisation john banville : mephisto julio cortezar : name of a bullfighter, hopscotch From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA06910; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:58:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:58:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361E1226.AEAA235A@nyfac.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 14:39:51 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: Second Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Y2K and smooching References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EWZcq1.0.8g6.NVb7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > drink heavily, and try to kiss as many people as possible... That's what > I'm going to do.... > > kim And, kim, how exactly is that different than your usual weekend night? tdb1 -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:38:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA31217; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:22:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:22:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: absolutely no loop content Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:59:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01bdf395$618625a0$b6c4efd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"oLCel2.0.Ho4._GY7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com But Kim, what is the title and author of the books you're reading on him? | -----Original Message----- | From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] | Sent: Thursday 08 October 1998 1:12 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content | | | currently reading some old dude named Rene Descartes from the 1600's. | | "I think therefore I Loop!" | "I loop therefore I covet gear!" | "I covet gear therefore I think!" | | I highly recommend Rene for any looper, as he has his own rather profound | approach to looping. Descartes proved himself to be a very bright | guy early | on, even inventing some fundamental mathematical concepts we all were | tortured with as youngsters. And then, convinced of his own mediocrity, he | devoted 9 years of his life to eliminating all of his opinions. Descartes | developed an exemplary approach to thought, whereby he would: never accept | anything to be true which he did not absolutely know to be true; divide | difficult problems into as many simple parts as possible, so that they can | more easily be solved; conduct his thinking in order from the simplest and | easiest to prove through to the more complex; and last, to make | his studies | so complete and general as to not omit anything. | | Then, after this remarkable effort, Rene employs an amazing bit | of circular | logic to prove the existence of God in just three rather convoluted | sentences. Impressive! I heartily encourage you all to create | music in that | fashion. In fact, reminds me of many posts here on Looper's Delight. | | Sadly, although Rene is considered the Father of Modern Philosophy, he did | not live long enough to invent his own looper or compose any influential | loop music, as he certainly would have. The queen of Sweden hired | him to be | her tutor, and demanded that he begin instruction at 5am in cold | Sweden. He | died within months. I'm sure the same would happen to me.... | | kim | | ______________________________________________________________________ | Kim Flint | Looper's Delight | kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html | http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com | | | From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA18294; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:21:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:21:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361E293F.1B61@bway.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:18:26 +0000 From: Todd Reynolds Reply-To: liddmuse@bway.net Organization: Lidd Music Partners X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: wanted: jam-man Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5eSQZ2.0.jS3._1c7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Request: a Lexicon Jam-man or used echoplex -- Lidd Music Partners ãPaint As You Like, And Die Liz Knowles and Todd Reynolds Happy ã- Henry Miller liddmuse@bway.net 212 475-8559 http://www.bway.net/~liddmuse From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:38:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA10535; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:45:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:45:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Schreier, Steven (Steven)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Recordings Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:29:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"yiVjN3.0.XM.OkY7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David, I enjoyed the list of reading (or mind feeding) material. I, too, am an avid explorer in the literary realm. I just stumbled across a CD "The Space Between Us" - Craig Armstrong. While perusing the bins you should check this work out. Excellent string arrangements with a few little beat drones sprinkled in. I believe Craig used to be a partner or silent partner with the big Massive Attack. Oh, I also discovered his name on the latest Madonna/Orbit collaberation-"Ray of Light" with string work. I think you might enjoy. It's worth the chance... back to the sonic realm Nam myoho renge kyo Steven J. Schreier Lucent Technologies Software Implementation Team San Diego, Ca. Voice:ÊÊÊ 619.874.1753 Fax:ÊÊÊÊÊÊ 619.874.1701 E-mail:Ê schreier@lucent.com Ê From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:38:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA02750; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:37:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:37:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <53589a8a.361e3766@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:18:46 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"eMk0o2.0.yA6.aSZ7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/9/98 1:24:42 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, gnominus@earthling.net writes: << But Kim, what is the title and author of the books you're reading on him? >> once again kim puts descartes infront of dehorse.........michael From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:38:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA03132; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:38:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:38:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Readings Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:24:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bdf3a1$42fe7ae0$1722dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"kDZ8L1.0.8p6.5XZ7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I thought I'd chip in, and tell what I'm reading right now - and a fine distraction from bus-riding it is! "Songs of Earth & Power" by Greg Bear is something a friend lent me, and despite my internal comparisons to "The Talisman", a Stephen King/Peter Straub collaboration, it would seem to be much more substantial. And a great read. One premise involves the faerie folk not liking music, especially when it comes from humans, because they perceive all music as being potential magic, depending on its construction; thus, in our hands it's like we're playing with explosives, though we don't realize it. And, as a result, it's banned in their Other World... :) Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA11979; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:57:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:57:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810081638.MAA25114@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Cakewalk etc, Hardware req.?? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:38:31 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RJ-o63.0.pX.SeE7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey folks... I see that Electronic musician etc has a special issue - bundled with a CD of demo software, Cakewalk is one of 'em. another is 'guitar studio' I'd like to try this stuff out- i have a pentium PC - what kind of hardware do i need to add to use virtual studio stuff like this??? i'd like to start recording on this crazy machine -i know this is dumb question to most - but i figured - hey - quick and lazy gets the fast accurate answers.. thanks. oh - and - any Zappa fans out there in MA, NY, PA, NJ, my FZ tribute band will be throwing down some shows, most weekends this month -culminating with the knitting factory on Halloween, which, for those far afield, will be available live via realaudio; check their eponymous site, or ours>> http://www.jswd.net/projectobject peace - andre' east From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:38:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA16062; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:05:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:05:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981009165436.29876.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Childrens' Looping Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:54:35 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"WFi051.0.ST2.A-Z7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi All- Actually I have given my goddaughter a little looping thingie that playskool has made. It looks kinda like a jukebox and has about 16 rhythms, sound effects, and instrument parts. How it works is that the bambina can assign any of these voices to any of 6 spaces and the piece loops. You can change sections on the fly as well. Really fun to show her how things can build or change... selam, Buck >In a message dated 10/9/98 6:23:20 AM, Mark@asisoftware.com writes: > >>Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old >>Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the sequence) >>that produce an endless loop? >>I want to introduce my kids to looping. > >i'm curious as to why you've focussed upon introducing yer kids to looping via >a 'sequencer', as opposed to having them looping actual audio (via, ya know: >EDP, jamman, boomerang, etc.....) ? >looping airborne sounds can be such a vivid, visceral experience, i think: >what with a microphone, harmonica, hand-drum, turntable, bass, guitar and/or >*whatever* as kiddly-controlled input. >anyway, >in my experience: >botha my boys cut their loop-teeth on a PCM42/digitech thingie/jamman, etc.; >many years later, botha them continue to loop, as a source for their own >enjoyment & creativity. >best, >dt > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:38:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA26993; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:27:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:27:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981009170740.26230.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Torn's books/mine Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:07:40 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"FkffA.0.A54.MAa7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yo- >black snow: mikhail bulgakov Bulgakov is the shit. I'm reading: a mess o' books on Japanese architechture by Bognar Folk Song Style and Culture by Alan Lomax some Laszlo Maholy-Nagy Sayings of the Desert Fathers (Orthodox Christian Monastics from the early A.D.'s) The Spiritual Life and How to Be Attuned to It by St. Theophan the Recluse selam, Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:38:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA25205; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:24:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:24:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:13:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program Resent-Message-ID: <"zM-1U3.0.Kw3.79a7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old >Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the sequence) >that produce an endless loop? > >I want to introduce my kids to looping. > There's a shareware windows program called SEQ303 avaolable from Metaphoric Software, programmed by Jim Johnson. Being a mac snob, I haven't used it, but it looks very cool, and Jim really knows his analog stuff. He also makes an equally cool looking multichannel arpeggiator called ARPX8. For info: http://www.technotoys.com/seq303.htm Also, there are a few hardware analog-style sequencers out there, though the cost may be a bit more than you'd like. I have a Doepfer MAQ16/3, which offers 3 rows of 16 knobs, both cv and MIDI outputs and a very flexible MIDI implementation. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA25061; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:24:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:24:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004901bdf36c$77e732e0$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:14:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mark@asisoftware.com From: Stuart Fox Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program Resent-Message-ID: <"Ue_DH.0.Jt4.7Ha7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:06 AM -0700 10/9/98, Mark Kata wrote: >Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old >Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the sequence) >that produce an endless loop? > >I want to introduce my kids to looping. Try Mort Subotnick's "Making Music" CD ROM. You can do loops, and much more. It is an educational program about composing for kids 5 and older. You can get it for Mac or Windoze. Check it out at: http://www4.viaweb.com/voyagerco/ltrmakinh.html Stuart Fox CalArts Guitar sgfox@music.calarts.edu From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA09125; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:59:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:59:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:40:55 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199810091740.CAA28473@pop2.osk.3web.ne.jp> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: cctakuya@osk2.3web.ne.jp (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOzNLXEJuTG8bKEI=?=) X-Sender: cctakuya@pop2.osk2.3web.ne.jp Subject: NICE TO MEET YOU! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp X-Mailer: Eudora-J(1.3.8.5-J13) Resent-Message-ID: <"dtW_63.0.Mr7.Lfa7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, all of the loopers! Nice to meet you. My name is Takuya "shiro" Yamamoto. I am Japanese,live in Osaka JAPAN. I am 22 yaers old. Please call me "Shiro"! This is most popular name of dogs in JAPAN! I have my own web. You can listen my songs by real audio files on my web. My web URL is http://www.osk.3web.ne.jp/~cctakuya Please, listen it! I have joined this mailing list yesterday(10/8/1998). I am not good at English,but I will write message ono this mailing list for my life...! I am Sunao Inami's friend. I joined LIVE,"Looper's Delight J " at Barton Hall in japan,9/22/1998. Live report of this live; http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J/index.html Plaese show it too.. Thanks! Take care! iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Takuya "Shiro" Yamamoto zip 559-0011 #101 5-7-26 Kitakagaya Suminoe Osaka city OSAKA JAPAN TEL +81 6 685 0340 PHS 050 948 0226 URL is http://www.osk.3web.ne.jp/~cctakuya e-mail is cctakuya@osk2.3web.ne.jp Yes! We're living in the time and words! iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA14087; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:10:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:10:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981009175315.3006.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.73] From: "Greg Sundberg" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: PC based looping software? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:53:14 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"qhdp23.0.XI1.4ra7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is there any software available for the PC that could handle some of the looping features of the EDP/Boomerang/etc.? I'm not talking about something like using cakewalk to record parts and then simply have it loop continuously. I'm interested in more of the interactive or delay style options of feedback, overdub, etc. I'm not worried about performing live in venues with my PC, just at home for fun -- and the PC definitely has the necessary hardware. If it does turn into something that I'll use live, then I'll break down and buy an EDP/'rang/Jamman etc. Suggestions? Thanks, Greg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA21530; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:25:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:25:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <86256698.006318BA.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:08:28 -0500 Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"XaQF-2.0.043.R3b7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Talento wrote: > I spent an hour or so reading all the rants on Robert Fripp's Discipline > Global Mobile Web site. The mock interview it pure frippp in humor and a > bit close to the bone. > Don't have the URL handy but altavista popped it up first try... It's http://www.discipline.co.uk/news/news.htm And oh my, is it fun. Hi all, I'm new to the list, bought a EDP unit a few months back and I am having a blast trying to figger the thing out. My current reading list is: for fun(?!): Brothers Karamazov - Fedor Dostoevsky Blessed Paisius Velichkovsky; The Man Behind the Philokalia - Schema-monk Metrophanes; Fr Seraphim Rose, trans. St. Silouan the Athonite - Archmandite Sophrony Diary of a Russan Priest - Fr. Alexander Elchaninov Unseen Warfare - Lorenzo Scupoli; St. Theophan the Recluse. My Life in Christ - St. John of Kronstadt On the lighter side: Dark Genesis : The Birth of the Psi Corps - J. Gregory Keyes If you like Babylon5, you've got to read this one, it's a double wham. For work: Java Threads - Oaks & Wong JFC Programming - Weiner & Asbury not recommended, not very much detail, already out of date, of course. UML Distilled - Fowler & Scott Regards, Jim From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA32710; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:46:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:46:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:36:43 -0700 To: altruist@earthlink.net From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Recordings Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"zyrRZ3.0.Ol5.zNb7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:13 PM 10/8/98, Andre LaFosse wrote: >Dave Trenkel wrote: >> >> Form & Function is out, at least in the states, and it's really good. I >> like it quite a bit more than Modus, F&F seems to be focussed more on pure >> drum textures. Listening to Photek is, for me at least, like eavesdropping >> on the internal conversations of an obsessive/compulsive. > >I heard some of the older bits on F+F and liked it, but the newer stuff, >like just about all the jungle I've heard come out of Britain over the >last year or so, is just horrendously discouraging to me. It seems like >there's some sort of contest in Britain as to who can come up with the >stiffest, simplest, most un-funky beats. The complexity and >unpredictable nature of the rhythms that made it such an unusual style a >few year ago seems to have been more or less discarded in favor of >dishing out a stiff drum-machine emulation of an eight-note rock beat >(or, at best, "Funky Drummer" played at 160 BPM, a la Roni Size). > I dunno, I kind of like the way d 'n b has progressed into this highly abstract, utterly non-danceable music, given its roots in the dance scene and the fact that it's earliest raw materials were some of the funkiest drum grooves ever. I hear Photek as coming from a similar place as the LTJ Bukem stuff, his Logical Progression compilation was one of the first d 'n b things that I really connected with. I like the way things are very active on the micro-level while on the large scale, there's a certain static minimalism to the music. Of course, not everything from the scene is brilliant, or even good, but I still hear things I like. >Anybody have any reasons why this is the case? Or compelling arguments >to the contrary? About the only new (post-'96) jungle I've heard that >consistently excites me as much as the older stuff is LA-based DJ Hive >and some bits on the new DJ Spooky album; I wonder if the US is due to >start picking up the slack in the near future... > I don't know if it'd be considered true d 'n b, to be honest I don't have a lot of patience with the endless fractal sub-categorization of the electronic music scene, but Amon Tobin's Permutations is pretty fantastic. He's applying the d 'n b beat chopping approach to old jazz drum solos (a drummer friend of mine says he hears Art Blakey and Max Roach on this disc), Brazilian music, '50's exotica, and others. Also, Tobin seems to have a real flair for composing interesting pieces, I've followed his stuff for a few years, both under his name and as Cujo, and have liked everything I've heard. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA06160; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:57:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:57:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981009184305.27118.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.56.96.18] From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Y2K Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:43:05 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"u2X_l3.0.yG7.rZb7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From loopers-delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Oct 8 06:34:36 1998 >Received: (from kflint@localhost) > by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) > id JAA17029; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:32:21 -0400 >Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:32:21 -0400 >X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:16:02 +0400 >Message-ID: <00019D7B.4007@poyry.com.br> >From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) >Subject: Y2K >To: "'Loopers Delight'" >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >Resent-Message-ID: <"KbnI-3.0.Tv2.1nB7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1945 >X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Does anybody know if loop machines, delays, reverbs etc. will be affected by the >Y2K bug? > >Miguel > > Oh, my...... Unless the device has a dedicated imbedded chip that checks a system date, there is no need to worry. Currently I am a Programmer working at a client site, and my only task is to make Systems Y2K complient......so I have some idea what I am talking about. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 11:57:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA24567; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:35:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:35:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: I got myself some KILLER LOOPS!! Date: Fri, 09 Oct 98 14:46:00 EDT Message-ID: <362360ED@199.71.32.33> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"QaWN33.0.cA5.25s8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings Kim and all others, Well, it's happened. I finally found some KILLER LOOPS again. Those who have been on this list long enough might remember that quite some time ago I mentioned seeing some boxes with the aforementioned name on them in an optician's shop. Since the only time I was near there was about 02:30, I could never find out what they were. By the time I managed to get there in the day, they didn't have any. At last the mystery has been solved! Another store has them on sale (an auto-parts, etc. store of all places), so I bought a pair. It turns out they are, as I'd surmised originally, sunglasses. Made in Italy, and distributed here by Ray-Ban, the suggested price is $150 Cdn., but they are being sold for $40!! Most of them are that oval, bug-eye style that seems to be all the rage, in all sorts of colours, but I managed to find some more reasonable black square ones (they fit in a pocket easier). I have had the box scanned here at work, and will send it on, Kim, if you have access to a Mac ('cuz that's what it was scanned on to). Perhaps there could be a space for "sightings" as on the Elephant Talk site. Best wishes to all (and beware of those KILLER LOOPS!!!!) Jim Bailey From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA11124; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:08:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:08:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:52:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net Reply-To: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content In-Reply-To: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"OMNbM1.0.ri.zib7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > now we all know what we are listening to......what are we reading? My work situation in recent months has left me spending almost all of my time reading off of a picture tube rather than wood pulp, so when I get a chance to read woody words, it's only a chapter or so at a time. Hence for the last several weeks I've been reading the new one by John Irving _Widow for a Year_. Prior to that I was delving into Gene Wolfe's early works. Wolfe is one of the few SF writers whose work I'd consider real "literature" (not to mention that he was a member of the engineering team that invented the process for making those uniform Pringles potato chips - oh damn, I mentioned it). -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA23695; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:33:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:33:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:23:33 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"PiA3B2.0.Aa4.7Ac7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you've got a Mac, check out M from Cycling74 (i think that's the outfit...it's David Ziccarelli, of MAx fame...) also Xx by Eric Wenger. Both of these are MIDI sequencers, but are optimixed for quick, visual experimentation with looping content...and they use Quicktime, and they both have free demos dpc From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA03224; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:59:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:59:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:33:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Gettin' loopy 2nite in Balmer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QLdwI2.0.7l5.8Kc7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a reminder that things are gonna get loopy tonight at Cafe Tattoo in Baltimore MD. Performers are Tony Geballe (Robert Fripp & the League of Crafty Guitarists/Trey Gunn Band/Toyah/solo album on DGM) on solo 12 string, Fingerpaint doing their loopy electric guitar synth thang and my band The Dark Aether Project w/guest vocalist Ray Weston of echolyn fame. Between myself and Patrick & Steev of Fingerpaint, I think we'll have at least a bare minimum of half a dozen looping devices on hand. Showtime is 9pm. For directions and more info visit the URL below. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 11:58:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA25982; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:43:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:43:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'Collins'" , "'looppost'" Subject: RE: Information on contact microphones Date: Fri, 09 Oct 98 15:34:00 EDT Message-ID: <362361A4@199.71.32.33> Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"nwPYM3.0.sF5.u7s8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jeff Collins wrote: >To all those who are wanting to record sounds that the usual mics won't be >able to pick up, i have been thinking about contact microphones since i >discovered John Cage. They are an amazing way to get sounds never heard >before out of anything...even rocks. If you too are interested in making >yourself a couple of contact mics, you can visit... >http://www.harmonycentral.com/Guitar/piezo-pickups.txt >There are a ton of posts on this subject that can help you out tremendously. Or, if you have an electronics surplus store nearby (as I do), they may have piezo-electric disks for use as speakers in some devices - I believe that's what goes "beep" in some computers. If they're not attached already, wires can be soldered on rather easily. They can then be used like a dynamic mic (caveat: they will also create feedback just the same, so beware!). I have known about them for some time, and used them on rare occasions, but got more heavily involved after joining a local outfit called the Urban Refuse Group who, as the name implies, perform on found objects usually not intended as instruments. We don't do any fancy looping, just FX pedals, but I plan on trying stuff at home with my old tape set-up. Hope this can help a few of you fellow loopers. Sincerely, Jim Bailey From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA08042; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:19:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:19:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981009210430.22274.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jim's no loop content Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 14:04:30 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"2Yjpf3.0.Y3.Ned7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim- Well welcome. I must say that it is pretty wild seeing your reading list, as it is stuff that I have been reading over the past year or so. Are you Orthodox or a russophile? selam, Buck >My current reading list is: > >for fun(?!): >Brothers Karamazov - Fedor Dostoevsky > >Blessed Paisius Velichkovsky; The Man Behind the Philokalia - Schema-monk >Metrophanes; Fr Seraphim Rose, trans. > >St. Silouan the Athonite - Archmandite Sophrony > >Diary of a Russan Priest - Fr. Alexander Elchaninov > >Unseen Warfare - Lorenzo Scupoli; St. Theophan the Recluse. > >My Life in Christ - St. John of Kronstadt > > >On the lighter side: > >Dark Genesis : The Birth of the Psi Corps - J. Gregory Keyes >If you like Babylon5, you've got to read this one, it's a double wham. > > >For work: >Java Threads - Oaks & Wong > >JFC Programming - Weiner & Asbury > not recommended, not very much detail, already out of date, of course. > >UML Distilled - Fowler & Scott > > >Regards, > >Jim > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA14997; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:33:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:33:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361E7EE3.3F18A36B@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:23:47 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PC based looping software? References: <19981009175315.3006.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mCB_i1.0.932.dud7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have been enjoying Acid by Sonic Foundry; http://www.sfoundry.com/ I have not used it much yet for looping my music but what it can do is very cool. check it out, Jeff Duke Greg Sundberg wrote: > Is there any software available for the PC that could handle some of the > looping features of the EDP/Boomerang/etc.? I'm not talking about > something like using cakewalk to record parts and then simply have it > loop continuously. I'm interested in more of the interactive or delay > style options of feedback, overdub, etc. I'm not worried about > performing live in venues with my PC, just at home for fun -- and the PC > definitely has the necessary hardware. If it does turn into something > that I'll use live, then I'll break down and buy an EDP/'rang/Jamman > etc. > > Suggestions? > > Thanks, > Greg > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA25166; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:56:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:56:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361E8467.65A82A71@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 14:47:23 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zueD82.0.y34.i8e7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My daughter loves AudioRom's Interactive Music Shift Control CD Rom; it consists of numerous fairly interesting graphical audio "maps" with various tools that allow for real-time looping. Graphically, it is quite sophisticated, and the audio borders on quite good (or, quite grating in the hands of a maniacal five-year-old). find it at: http://www.audiorom.com/ Cheers, Lance G. From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA29214; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:20:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:20:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361E99C2.713E@pacific.net.sg> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:18:26 +0800 From: "randolf t. arriola" Reply-To: randolf@pacific.net.sg Organization: tuscan moodscape X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-PIOCT96 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: subscribe to mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iJo4G1.0.xA6.yWf7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there please include me in your mailing list Cheers, Randolf From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA02200; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:33:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:33:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD067ECA1@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Recordings Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:25:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"deddH.0.xb7.lif7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > y'know, I've heard a lot of television commercials with really cool > backing > music in the past couple of years. That's where I've heard the best drum > n' > bass lately. . . . Was the jingle industry quitely disappeared and > replace by avant-garde composers? In any case, seems like a fine place for > some wild loops. > > I've noticed this too . . . my take on it is a little less benign I guess. To me, it seems like just another instance of a cool art form being coopted for the sake of commerce - - thereby stripping it of any sense of danger or threat, and totally subverting it away from the youth culture that created it . . . turning it into yet another homogenized bit of corporate culture. IMHO. Color me pessimstic . . . From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA14011; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:01:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:01:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:51:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content Resent-Message-ID: <"6hHhl2.0.Rg2.I8g7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> now we all know what we are listening to......what are we reading? what are these "book" thingy's eveybody's talking about? will they sync to midi clock? just finnished Slaughterhouse 5 (beter late than never). other than that my reading has been mostly limmited to: the manual for the Boss SP-202 the liner notes to the Genesis box and "What to Expect the Toddler Years" (ah, life with a two year-old!) in my "to read soon" pile: On the Road a handfull of Phillip K. Dick paperbacks and a stack of really old cookbooks i scored at a used book sale. trivial enough? m M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music i n t e r n e t : murkie@middlebury.edu http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA25463; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:12:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:12:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <361EA1E9.5B5CDC3B@csi.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:53:13 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Childrens' Looping References: <19981009165436.29876.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6eJeg2.0.dC4.HFf7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What?!? You mean to say didn't keep it for, uh, personal use? Or did you try it out extensively before indulging in the wondrous act of giving? :-) Rob Joseph Buck schrieb: > > Hi All- > > Actually I have given my goddaughter a little looping thingie that > playskool has made. > It looks kinda like a jukebox and has about 16 rhythms, sound effects, > and instrument parts. > How it works is that the bambina can assign any of these voices to any > of 6 spaces and the piece loops. You can change sections on the fly as > well. > Really fun to show her how things can build or change... > > selam, > > Buck > > >In a message dated 10/9/98 6:23:20 AM, Mark@asisoftware.com writes: > > > >>Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old > >>Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the > sequence) > >>that produce an endless loop? > >>I want to introduce my kids to looping. > > > >i'm curious as to why you've focussed upon introducing yer kids to > looping via > >a 'sequencer', as opposed to having them looping actual audio (via, ya > know: > >EDP, jamman, boomerang, etc.....) ? > >looping airborne sounds can be such a vivid, visceral experience, i > think: > >what with a microphone, harmonica, hand-drum, turntable, bass, guitar > and/or > >*whatever* as kiddly-controlled input. > >anyway, > >in my experience: > >botha my boys cut their loop-teeth on a PCM42/digitech thingie/jamman, > etc.; > >many years later, botha them continue to loop, as a source for their > own > >enjoyment & creativity. > >best, > >dt > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA22346; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:20:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:20:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981010001359.21632.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Childrens' Looping Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:13:59 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"xdskh2.0.Bh4.1Qg7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rob- Well I did. Playskool's packaging had an exposed section and the batteries came in it already so.... selam, Buck >What?!? You mean to say didn't keep it for, uh, personal use? Or did you >try it out extensively before indulging in the wondrous act of giving? >:-) > >Rob > > >Joseph Buck schrieb: >> >> Hi All- >> >> Actually I have given my goddaughter a little looping thingie that >> playskool has made. >> It looks kinda like a jukebox and has about 16 rhythms, sound effects, >> and instrument parts. >> How it works is that the bambina can assign any of these voices to any >> of 6 spaces and the piece loops. You can change sections on the fly as >> well. >> Really fun to show her how things can build or change... >> >> selam, >> >> Buck >> >> >In a message dated 10/9/98 6:23:20 AM, Mark@asisoftware.com writes: >> > >> >>Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old >> >>Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the >> sequence) >> >>that produce an endless loop? >> >>I want to introduce my kids to looping. >> > >> >i'm curious as to why you've focussed upon introducing yer kids to >> looping via >> >a 'sequencer', as opposed to having them looping actual audio (via, ya >> know: >> >EDP, jamman, boomerang, etc.....) ? >> >looping airborne sounds can be such a vivid, visceral experience, i >> think: >> >what with a microphone, harmonica, hand-drum, turntable, bass, guitar >> and/or >> >*whatever* as kiddly-controlled input. >> >anyway, >> >in my experience: >> >botha my boys cut their loop-teeth on a PCM42/digitech thingie/jamman, >> etc.; >> >many years later, botha them continue to loop, as a source for their >> own >> >enjoyment & creativity. >> >best, >> >dt >> > >> > >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA31273; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:42:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:42:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD067ECA3@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: books into music Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:35:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"R2woo.0.cs6.pjg7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy Y'All, So I think people are reading some interesting stuff . . . (actually researched some for future reading) My question is this: Does it/How does it effect what you do musically? For instance, a lot of my music writing is influenced by literature/poetry or painting. I just went through a mental countdown and 21 of the 33 tunes across three CDs are in these two categories, eight were in reaction to music/concepts by other players/composers, four are based on "real life experiences." I tend to either be inspired by the feel of, or am intrigued by a phrase or an idea from, a certain work. For instance, currently just finished a piece based on my memories of the "feeling" of three novels by Henry Miller. More in the works based on work by other authors and some on film makers and painters . . . stig (PS: Book last read four-volume set of "A Thousand Nights and One Nights" ["The Arabian Nights"]; current reading "London Bridge" Louis-Ferdinand Celine; next up "A Short History of Byzantium," "Collected Tales of Nikolai Gogol," "History of the Arab People.") From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA20396; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:31:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:31:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810100124.SAA28383@stork.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 18:24:36 -0700 Subject: Lexicon MPX 2 question From: "Matt and Kristy McCabe" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_CNhu2.0.r24.ZRh7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I apologize if this has already been covered (yes, I searched the archives) but...I must ask. Does anyone have any experience with the MPX 2? Especially the "JamMan" mode? Thanks! Matt __________________________________ Matthew F. McCabe Finley Sound Design http://www.finleysound.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA03478; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:48:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:48:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:41:15 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199810100341.MAA24741@pop2.osk.3web.ne.jp> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: cctakuya@osk2.3web.ne.jp (Takuya "Shiro" Yamamoto) X-Sender: cctakuya@pop2.osk2.3web.ne.jp Subject: Re: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp X-Mailer: Eudora-J(1.3.8.5-J13) Resent-Message-ID: <"gHCBq2.0.8x7.vRj7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:23 PM 98.10.9 -0400, Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: >If you've got a Mac, check out M from Cycling74 (i think that's the >outfit...it's David Ziccarelli, of MAx fame...) also Xx by Eric Wenger. Both >of these are MIDI sequencers, but are optimixed for quick, visual >experimentation with looping content...and they use Quicktime, and they both >have free demos >dpc I have M too. It can make music like painting picture. So cool looping software. regards. iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Takuya "Shiro" Yamamoto zip 559-0011 #101 5-7-26 Kitakagaya Suminoe Osaka city OSAKA JAPAN TEL +81 6 685 0340 PHS 050 948 0226 URL is http://www.osk.3web.ne.jp/~cctakuya e-mail is cctakuya@osk2.3web.ne.jp Yes! We're living in the time and words! iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 00:00:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA12072; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:08:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:08:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981010040432.00e0e238@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 21:04:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: PC based looping software? Resent-Message-ID: <"1etIH.0.qI2.nmj7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com But Acid doesn't really meet his request for a more interactive/real-time/delay style of looping with things like overdub and feedback. That usually implies the ability to be adding your own audio to the loops in real time, and controlling that accurately, and nothing on PC's really handles that well, or at all. The reason lies in the typical general purpose OS's used, where audio I/O and user control latencies can be really long. The time between when audio goes into the box and when it can come out can be anywhere from 20ms to as much as 500ms, far worse than any stand-alone box. Making a basic PC do any kind of real-time processing of real world signals is very problematic for this reason. PC's are ok for things like hard disk recording, sequencing and sound editing because there, the application has many opportunities to compensate for all the latency. Stand-alone devices like boomerang/echoplex/jamman/etc are specially designed for low latencies and tight user control, which makes them much better suited for more "live" (or real-time) loop creation/manipulation. kim At 05:23 PM 10/9/98 -0400, Jeff Duke wrote: >I have been enjoying Acid by Sonic Foundry; http://www.sfoundry.com/ >I have not used it much yet for looping my music but what it can do is very >cool. >check it out, > >Jeff Duke > >Greg Sundberg wrote: > >> Is there any software available for the PC that could handle some of the >> looping features of the EDP/Boomerang/etc.? I'm not talking about >> something like using cakewalk to record parts and then simply have it >> loop continuously. I'm interested in more of the interactive or delay >> style options of feedback, overdub, etc. I'm not worried about >> performing live in venues with my PC, just at home for fun -- and the PC >> definitely has the necessary hardware. If it does turn into something >> that I'll use live, then I'll break down and buy an EDP/'rang/Jamman >> etc. >> >> Suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> Greg >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 00:00:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA21059; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:30:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:30:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981010041914.00dce25c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 21:19:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program Resent-Message-ID: <"wbhp51.0.4o3.Y-j7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com another idea might be Rebirth. http://www.propellerheads.se/ I've had quite some fun playing with it. If your kids are into video games, they will probably be into the more techno/house type sounds that Rebirth is good at. The interface is maybe a little more confusing than 8 sliders (emulates the old TB303, TR909, TR808 interfaces/sounds), but I think any gamer could figure it out. kim At 08:19 AM 10/9/98 -0400, you wrote: >My kids like computer games, and I thought a software sequencer that >emulates an old analog sequencer would be easy for them to operate. Also, >it's simpler for them to turn on my computer than my looping rig. And the >computer is much quieter than my amp. > >Mark Kata >Mark@asisoftware.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Texture444@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 7:58 AM >Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program > > >> >>In a message dated 10/9/98 6:23:20 AM, Mark@asisoftware.com writes: >> >>>Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old >>>Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the sequence) >>>that produce an endless loop? >>>I want to introduce my kids to looping. >> >>i'm curious as to why you've focussed upon introducing yer kids to looping >via >>a 'sequencer', as opposed to having them looping actual audio (via, ya >know: >>EDP, jamman, boomerang, etc.....) ? >>looping airborne sounds can be such a vivid, visceral experience, i think: >>what with a microphone, harmonica, hand-drum, turntable, bass, guitar >and/or >>*whatever* as kiddly-controlled input. >>anyway, >>in my experience: >>botha my boys cut their loop-teeth on a PCM42/digitech thingie/jamman, >etc.; >>many years later, botha them continue to loop, as a source for their own >>enjoyment & creativity. >>best, >>dt >> > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 00:00:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA26135; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:42:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:42:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361EE3E9.E259B9BE@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:34:49 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PC based looping software? References: <2.2.32.19981010040432.00e0e238@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vuL7S.0.LI5.gCk7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Like I say Kim, I have never used it that way, however you can record and then draw what you recorded on the fly and move and edit etc. Somebody on this list said that they were using it live with a notbook. btw is there a software version of an echoplex like looper? And what is latency but another delay? Jeff (the mangler) Duke Kim Flint wrote: > But Acid doesn't really meet his request for a more > interactive/real-time/delay style of looping with things like overdub and > feedback. That usually implies the ability to be adding your own audio to > the loops in real time, and controlling that accurately, and nothing on PC's > really handles that well, or at all. The reason lies in the typical general > purpose OS's used, where audio I/O and user control latencies can be really > long. The time between when audio goes into the box and when it can come out > can be anywhere from 20ms to as much as 500ms, far worse than any > stand-alone box. Making a basic PC do any kind of real-time processing of > real world signals is very problematic for this reason. PC's are ok for > things like hard disk recording, sequencing and sound editing because there, > the application has many opportunities to compensate for all the latency. > > Stand-alone devices like boomerang/echoplex/jamman/etc are specially > designed for low latencies and tight user control, which makes them much > better suited for more "live" (or real-time) loop creation/manipulation. > > kim > > At 05:23 PM 10/9/98 -0400, Jeff Duke wrote: > >I have been enjoying Acid by Sonic Foundry; http://www.sfoundry.com/ > >I have not used it much yet for looping my music but what it can do is very > >cool. > >check it out, > > > >Jeff Duke > > > >Greg Sundberg wrote: > > > >> Is there any software available for the PC that could handle some of the > >> looping features of the EDP/Boomerang/etc.? I'm not talking about > >> something like using cakewalk to record parts and then simply have it > >> loop continuously. I'm interested in more of the interactive or delay > >> style options of feedback, overdub, etc. I'm not worried about > >> performing live in venues with my PC, just at home for fun -- and the PC > >> definitely has the necessary hardware. If it does turn into something > >> that I'll use live, then I'll break down and buy an EDP/'rang/Jamman > >> etc. > >> > >> Suggestions? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Greg > >> > >> ______________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 > Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com > http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 00:00:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA18201; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:47:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:47:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361EF35C.8BB7F1DA@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:40:44 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #159 References: <199810091742.NAA00774@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bolUp2.0.cY3.gAl7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -- > John Tidwell wrote: > > > Is there anybody out there? NO From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 00:00:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA20145; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:53:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361EF4A0.F9295CC4@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:46:08 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping software References: <199810100400.AAA08736@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WkNrJ2.0.D34.jFl7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Is there any software available for the PC that could handle some of the > looping features of the EDP/Boomerang/etc.? Hi, I've written a very basic delay program for something called csound. It will give you crazy delay times, (I tried 2 minutes - no problem) in stereo if you want it with unity feed back you can loop away to your heart's content. If this sounds too good to b true here are the disadvantages. You need a very good sound card Latency ie when you try to overdub your new track isn't quite where it should be. I use it as something to experiment with while I'm (still) saving for a'plex Gareth From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 00:54:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA18269; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:05:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:05:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6484960f.361f05f0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:00:00 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: wow! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"CdcsJ3.0.sr3.9Nm7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com correct me if im wrong, but some really nice posts to the list the past few days. from listening to reading to making music and with the kids ( oh happy day), the sins of the fathers and mothers.......i never thought i would say it, but i (almost) regret going on vacation for the next week, first in years, i already gots the looper delight "jones" goin'. i will try my best to relax for all of us and see ya all in a week.........thanks one and all.......michael From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 15:47:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA04205; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:06:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:06:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000301bdf45c$301cbc00$082ffed0@petegilbert> From: "Pete Gilbert" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: re: listening and reading Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:42:19 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Kp3bU.0.Ze6.K8t7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rolling these into one -- listening to: Brave -- Marillion Saililng Down the River, Sane -- Steve Adelson Sticktet Genesis Archive 1967-75 -- Genesis Water on the Moon -- Greg Howard Reading: The Influence of Seapower upon History -- Mahan The Ringworld Throne - Niven Panzer Leader - Guderian In the Crease - Irvin plus too many manuals :-) ============ Pete Gilbert aka pgilbert@ford.com or PeteGilbert@msn.com Visit the Michigan Stick Trio Web Pages at: http://www.michsticktrio.com/ http://www.detroitsound.com/ From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 15:48:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA02305; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:54:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:54:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:21:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: RE: Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"zo91u3.0.vN.nxu7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> y'know, I've heard a lot of television commercials with really cool >> backing >> music in the past couple of years. That's where I've heard the best drum >> n' >> bass lately. . . . Was the jingle industry quitely disappeared and >> replace by avant-garde composers? In any case, seems like a fine place for >> some wild loops. >> >> > I've noticed this too . . . my take on it is a little less benign I >guess. To me, it seems like just another instance of a cool art form being >coopted for the sake of commerce - - thereby stripping it of any sense of >danger or threat, and totally subverting it away from the youth culture that >created it . . . turning it into yet another homogenized bit of corporate >culture. IMHO. > > > Color me pessimstic . . . I dunno, maybe it's that some cool musicians are infiltrating the music industry. Maybe the subversion runs both ways? The Volkswagen add curently running is probably the most ears the Orb have reached thus far. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 15:48:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA06019; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:43:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:43:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <2f25e269.361f9642@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:15:46 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: re: listening and reading Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 59 Resent-Message-ID: <"BMp4M2.0.LC1.Uav7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmmmmm, Lots of lists out there lately. Here's mine... READING (during the past year--I read slow) The Annie Dillard Reader--Annie Dillard (all-time favorite author) Tickets for a Prayer Wheel--Annie Dillard (poetry) Protector--Larry Niven (typical SF) God Came Near--Max Lucado (religious) Einsteins Bridge--John Cramer (really bad SF, but fun) Contact--Carl Sagan (really good SF and much better than the movie) The Book of Guys--Garrison Keillor (silly short stories) The Living--Annie Dillard (a terminally poignant historical novel) Holy the Firm--Annie Dillard (short works of prose that read like poetry) The Devine Comedy--Dante Alighieri (current bedtime reading) Teaching a Stone to Talk--Annie Dillard (currently reading) Recordings (this past week) Nordic Quartet--Surman/Krog/Rypdal/Storaas In a Silent Way--Miles Davis By the Dawn's Early Light--Harold Budd Just So Happens--Gary Peacock & Bill Frisell Cho--Choying Drolma and Steve Tibbetts Screaming Headless Torsos--Screaming Headless Torsos The Mistakes--H.Kaiser/M.Keneally/A.West/Prairie Prince Albino Alligator--Michael Brook After the Rain--McLaughlin/Jones/DeFrancesco The Shutov Assembly--Brian Eno Forever Sharp and Vivid--Massey/Castiglione/Torn (just got it from Tower) From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 15:48:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA07715; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:00:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:00:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981010175014.5490.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.22.200] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: books into music Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:50:12 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"GHARE1.0.ah1.Jxv7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stig- Well that's what it comes down to, doesn't it? For the most part I'm just happy to be able to have the time , energy, discipline to read so I usually go for stuff that will influence me or tie into work I am already doing or working on. Por exemplo, I am going to be doing a series of workshops, music generation, and an installation in Kansas next year, so I have been working on Alan Lomax's Folk Song Style and Culture to help me find an appropriate voice for the spirit of the place. As an aside, my girlfriend who is a doctoral candidate in Byzantine history is interested to see that so many folk on the list are interested in things Byzantine. selam, Buck > Howdy Y'All, > > So I think people are reading some interesting stuff . . . (actually >researched some for future reading) > > > My question is this: Does it/How does it effect what you do >musically? > > > For instance, a lot of my music writing is influenced by >literature/poetry or painting. I just went through a mental countdown and 21 >of the 33 tunes across three CDs are in these two categories, eight were in >reaction to music/concepts by other players/composers, four are based on >"real life experiences." > > I tend to either be inspired by the feel of, or am intrigued by a >phrase or an idea from, a certain work. For instance, currently just >finished a piece based on my memories of the "feeling" of three novels by >Henry Miller. More in the works based on work by other authors and some on >film makers and painters . . . > > > > stig > > > (PS: Book last read four-volume set of "A Thousand Nights and One >Nights" ["The Arabian Nights"]; current reading "London Bridge" >Louis-Ferdinand Celine; next up "A Short History of Byzantium," "Collected >Tales of Nikolai Gogol," "History of the Arab People.") > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA22277; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:05:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:05:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:23:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: reading & listening of late. Resent-Message-ID: <"qdzoS3.0.zF5.aw18s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looper's Delight Comp #1....so glad to finally here this baby. Lots of variety, good muisc. I wonder how the contributors feel about their work now, two years later. Derek Baily......Aida...solo guitar improvs from the master...seems as if I need to hear some solo Derek every few days. Anyone ever seen him live?? Frank Gerace/Dreamchild Gates to the Sea beautiufl voacls with nice guitar loops, bass, and percussion.....Some of these pieces are really haunting. Frank is on the list. Give him a listen. Can- Cannabilism Vol2 Flying Saucer- Attack New Lands Bill Frisell- Quartet Mike Vargas _ Whispering the Turmoil Down beautiful solo piano work fromt htis Boulder, CO based artist. One of my faves so far thisyear. Sort of an update on Satie and Feldman Which lead to... Morton Feldman Chamber Music Jeff Collins Gutar Sonata's As far as reading: I alwyas enjoy flipping through and starting on any page and finding inspiration the following three works. The collected writings of Robert Motherwell Silence By John Cage The Art Spirit by Robert Henri Also any work by Thich Nhat Han Certain dribble by one recently known as Fribble.. Oooppsss that's three plus works...... And of course I reead a lot of postings about machines.Y2k, gigs, independent CD releases....... Hey question everyone Have you purchased an independent release lately? We all need to help one another.. Peace, Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA18515; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 05:05:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 05:05:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BDF505.1BC8ADA0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: re: listening and reading Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:42:12 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"hZizX.0.PQ4.vA78s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does anyone really read all these posts? ok, let's see ... recent listening: Looper's Delight CD #1 Bruford-Levin: Upper Extremities Brian Eno: Future Light-Lounge Proposal Pluramon: Pick Up Canyon Markus Reuter: Containment Jeff Pearce: Vestiges Nils Petter Molvaer: Khmer Kuno Wagner: Guitar Bizarre Bruce Gilbert: Ab Ovo recent reading: Matt Ruff: Sewer, Gas & Electric Andre Ruschkowski: Elektronische KlŠnge und musikalische Entdeckungen Huang-Po: The Spirit of Zen Jiddu Krishnamurti: On Living and Dying Hunter S. Thompson: Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas * michael peters mpeters@csi.com * "escape veloopity" electronic guitar loop music * http://listen.to/michaelpeters From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA03028; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:29:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:29:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361FE83E.6D5E@engin.umich.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:05:34 -0400 From: Darcy Clark Reply-To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Organization: University of Michigan X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: software looper? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iDJRf3.0.NV.ij-7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I recall someone mentioning a software looper that they were building using MSP (http://www.cycling74.com) and Opcode MAX I think it was. I searched the mailing list archive and cannot find any mention of it. Was I dreaming ?? thanks for any info., Darcy From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA07039; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:20:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:20:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981010235924.12737.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Y2K To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"54A_Y.0.Wb1.8X_7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---MAT wrote: > > Does anybody know if loop machines, delays, reverbs etc. will be affected by the > Y2K bug? Ya know, I really shouldn't be adding to the noise level on this, but really people, how many loopers *does* it take to screw in a light bulb? Ok. Unless your processor needs to look at the current date and records the year as a 2 digit string, you have NOTHING to worry about. Yeesh. Y2K is definitely a virus like a chain letter. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA06309; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:11:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:11:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981011010323.007acd10@popd.netcomuk.co.uk> X-Sender: alex_d@popd.netcomuk.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:03:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Alex Subject: stereo to mono Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"g6UaS.0.9L1.PK_7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm using SoundForge and have found that you can remove the mono elements of a stereo track...... leaving you mostly with stereo effects (inverting one channel and combing to mono) I would like to use this in reverse. Is there any way that you can remove the stereo elements leaving on the mono parts of a track? I've had no luck so far, and suspect it may be physically impossible. From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA09072; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:40:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:40:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: aden@pop.ne.mediaone.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981011010323.007acd10@popd.netcomuk.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:32:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Aden Evens Subject: Re: stereo to mono Resent-Message-ID: <"agD-S.0.722.Eo_7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'm using SoundForge and have found that you can remove the mono elements >of a stereo track...... leaving you mostly with stereo effects (inverting >one channel and combing to mono) > >I would like to use this in reverse. > >Is there any way that you can remove the stereo elements leaving on the >mono parts of a track? I've had no luck so far, and suspect it may be >physically impossible. I don't use SoundForge, but I take it you don't want to just add the two channels. Why not perform the process above to get 'just the stereo stuff', invert that, and then add it to the original? That is, why not subtract the 'stereo only' from the original to get the 'mono only' part? Hey, it's a thought. . . ### ## ### Aden ### ## ### From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA14793; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:38:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:38:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981011023550.007b07e0@popd.netcomuk.co.uk> X-Sender: alex_d@popd.netcomuk.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 02:35:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Alex Subject: Re: stereo to mono In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19981011010323.007acd10@popd.netcomuk.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iIk1K1.0._T3.fg08s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmmm, Exactly what I thought, but I can't for the life in me work out what I'm doing wrong....... I just end up with either the original left or the original right channel. I've been testing it on a wave file I made myself, mono (both channels identical) I have me saying "middle, middle, middle", left channel "left, left, left" and right channel "right, right, right". Is this a proper approximation of a stereo file? Cos if it is I just can't extract the "middle, middle, middle" part by itself. Any further thoughts would be appreciated. Alex At 20:32 10/10/98 -0400, you wrote: >>I'm using SoundForge and have found that you can remove the mono elements >>of a stereo track...... leaving you mostly with stereo effects (inverting >>one channel and combing to mono) >> >>I would like to use this in reverse. >> >>Is there any way that you can remove the stereo elements leaving on the >>mono parts of a track? I've had no luck so far, and suspect it may be >>physically impossible. > >I don't use SoundForge, but I take it you don't want to just add the two >channels. Why not perform the process above to get 'just the stereo stuff', >invert that, and then add it to the original? That is, why not subtract the >'stereo only' from the original to get the 'mono only' part? Hey, it's a >thought. . . > > > ### ## ### > Aden > ### ## ### > > > > From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA17984; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:15:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:15:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981011020123.23616.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:01:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: books into music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"9Zuhc.0.dF4.sB18s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---"Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > > > Howdy Y'All, > > So I think people are reading some interesting stuff . . . (actually > researched some for future reading) > > > My question is this: Does it/How does it effect what you do > musically? Everything you do in life should affect your playing. What I read becomes part of who I am (so to speak) which then gets reguritated musically. In fact, I would say that to only react musically to notes and rhythms and whatnot will sooner-or-later dry you out completely. Why are lyrics in songs? Why name a song "Requiem for the Victims of Hiroshima" rather than "Serenade for Strings"? Etc. etc. etc. Music is a part of the continuity of existence, so get out there and live! Manuel Barreco said "One cannot be a musician without drinking from the fountain of Culture." (paraphrase) Personally, I read esoteric occult books, Chinese alchemy and comic books! Latest on the stack: Holy Books of Thelema by Aleister Crowley and 300 by Frank Miller. 93 Rev. Doubt-GOat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA15350; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:44:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:44:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kmistove@mail.eclipse.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <361FE83E.6D5E@engin.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:35:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Mistove Subject: Re: software looper? Cc: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Resent-Message-ID: <"gJ3c7.0.AZ3.pk08s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, >I recall someone mentioning a software looper that they were building >using MSP (http://www.cycling74.com) and Opcode MAX I think it was. I >searched the mailing list archive and cannot find any mention of it. Was >I dreaming ?? I had mentioned the software looper I'm developing to this list a few times. You can grab it from my web site: http://www.eclipse.net/~kmistove/Procrastination.sit. It's a pretty simple patcher that you can use as is, add to yourself, or wait for me to develop further. Anyone with a PowerMac (and eventually other platforms - I can't find the official announcement, so you'll have to take my word on it) are free to do what you wish with my looper. Have fun! Ken My music and other stuff: http://www.eclipse.net/~kmistove/ King Crimson music (Elephant Tape): http://www.geocities.com/~kenzak/etape/ From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA20271; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:44:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:44:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: aden@pop.ne.mediaone.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981011023550.007b07e0@popd.netcomuk.co.uk> References: <3.0.3.32.19981011010323.007acd10@popd.netcomuk.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:36:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Aden Evens Subject: Re: stereo to mono Resent-Message-ID: <"pSwvf3.0.Fm4.wc18s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alex, How did you 'make' this wave file? Obviously, the extraction method you are using assumes that the 'mono only' stuff is whatever is relatively in phase between the two channels, while the 'stereo only' material is everything else. Are you sure that your voice saying 'middle' is exactly in phase L/R, or might you have bumped one channel by a couple of milliseconds? Look real close at the waveform. Sometimes, the phase relationship can get screwed up at the very beginning of the recording process to a hard disk, like if the latency is not the same for each channel, or if the file is not recorded as interleaved. ### ## ### Aden ### ## ### From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA24784; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:30:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:30:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: stereo to mono Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:03:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000901bdf4c3$ac9b4960$9b22dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"Q1Vfd2.0.2q5.vF28s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Even the downloadable eval copy of Cool Edit (http://www.syntrillium.com) performs this conversion, under the Edit/Convert Sample Type menu. Never had a phase error in several years. ;) The removal/separation of exclusive elements is done through a crossfade mix section. Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week (Roddy McDowell)! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > >I'm using SoundForge and have found that you can remove the > mono elements > >of a stereo track...... leaving you mostly with stereo > effects (inverting > >one channel and combing to mono) > > > >I would like to use this in reverse. > > > >Is there any way that you can remove the stereo elements > leaving on the > >mono parts of a track? I've had no luck so far, and suspect it may be > >physically impossible. > > I don't use SoundForge, but I take it you don't want to just > add the two > channels. Why not perform the process above to get 'just the > stereo stuff', > invert that, and then add it to the original? That is, why > not subtract the > 'stereo only' from the original to get the 'mono only' part? > Hey, it's a > thought. . . > > > ### ## ### > Aden > ### ## ### > > From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA25956; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:44:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:44:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: regarding Drerk Bailey Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:32:07 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdf4c7$b94332a0$bc1bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"p6BKP1.0.n76.fS28s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know that fellow looper Andre' Cholmondeley was at the recording of the "Sign of 4" recording at the Knitting Factory. In fact..listen to the end of the third disc and you will hear Andre' yelling "DEREK BAILEY, DEREK BAILEY!! Thank you Pat!". By the way, the Improvisation programs are now on Video. Just do a look for Mr. Bailey and Incus and you should find it. Hope this brings with it a little happiness to those of us into Mr. Bailey. Jeff Collins http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html -----Original Message----- From: Rik Myers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 11:14 PM Subject: Re: reading & listening of late. >>Derek Baily......Aida...solo guitar improvs from the master...seems as if I >>need to hear some solo Derek every few days. Anyone ever seen him live?? > >Yes, Derek is really something. I've seen him only once. He played a show >in Eugene for me, my ex, and about a half dozen other folks. Some of them >left before he was done. I, however, was DELIGHTED. If you haven't seen it, >his book, "Improvisation" is terrific. It accompanied a BBC programme that >I never saw, but surely wish to! > >Hasta -> Dr Rico > > From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA23501; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:16:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:16:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981010230842.007a2820@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:08:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: reading & listening of late. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"aGiMF3.0.uW5.d428s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Derek Baily......Aida...solo guitar improvs from the master...seems as if I >need to hear some solo Derek every few days. Anyone ever seen him live?? Yes, Derek is really something. I've seen him only once. He played a show in Eugene for me, my ex, and about a half dozen other folks. Some of them left before he was done. I, however, was DELIGHTED. If you haven't seen it, his book, "Improvisation" is terrific. It accompanied a BBC programme that I never saw, but surely wish to! Hasta -> Dr Rico From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA16191; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:26:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:26:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:16:02 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: listening and reading Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"Z9g8F3.0.0r3.Rd68s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Been listening to: The entire discography of Marillion (mostly with Fish), Passion Sources (various Artists) Ozric Tentacles: Jurassic Shift, Strangeitude, Aborealis, and Curious Corn Peter Gabriel: Passion Vangelis: Bladerunner and finally the Scottish Rogues: Hollerin' for Haggis! Been reading: the MCSE Core books by Network Press various poems and stories by E. A. Poe Silent Mobius by Asimiya Kia Battle Angel Alita by Kishiro Yukito the Hound and the Falcon by Judith Tarr And as I write this missive, I am listening to a compilation disk of begainning and ending tracks for various Japanese anime. Have fun all! Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA23556; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 06:56:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 06:56:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36208CD3.CB141331@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:47:47 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: influence of literature on music References: <199810110707.DAA11340@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SrEEF2.0.be5.Zp88s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > My question is this: Does it/How does it effect what you do > >musically? I tend to read the same stuff over and over again gradually building in new authors/styles/influences. 'can't think how this relates to looping though :) From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA23617; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:00:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:00:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810111647.JAA23139@raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Suggestion for new looper feature Date: Sun, 11 Oct 98 11:47:56 +0100 x-sender: tiktok@pop.a001.sprintmail.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Tiktok Mobile HQ To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"1FIkt.0.bY5.Y6E8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Something that I'd like to see in all future looping devices is a dry out jack. Older rackmount delays, such as the Digitech units always had this, which allowed me to send the unlooped preamp signal to one input of my mixer (passing through the looping unit), and the wet-only output from the looper to another. Using a preamp with stereo outs, I could have two parallel looping devices, maintain the preamp stereo image, and then have the two effects loops available for post loop processing (most small mixers seem to have only two effects loops). Many of us have bemoaned the limitations of commercially availabe small mixers (six, eight channels) for looping applications, typically wishing for more sends. Any manufacturers of current or future looping devices on the list, please take note. Thanks, Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA27401; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 07:57:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 07:57:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paul.C.Wright@ercgroup.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Music Threads Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 06:36:49 -0500 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"5-29h.0.rH6.Ve98s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I haven't been reading much of anything interesting lately, though I have just re-read Marquez's "One Hundred Years Of Solitude," and am planning on picking up the new John Irving (still not believing that Hollywood has corrupted yet another fine work ("A Prayer For Owen Meany") with a movie adaptation). Anyway, I've been looking for a couple of Bill Bruford/Patrick Moraz discs for the past few years, and have struck out miserably. They are "Music For Piano And Drums," and "Flags." If anyone has a copy of either or both, would they be interesting in trading for other musics that I have that might be of interest? Please let me know. Thanks, > ---------- > From: Javier Miranda V.[SMTP:gnominus@earthling.net] > Reply To: gnominus@earthling.net > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 9:59 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: absolutely no loop content > > But Kim, what is the title and author of the books you're reading on him? > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] > | Sent: Thursday 08 October 1998 1:12 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content > | > | > | currently reading some old dude named Rene Descartes from the 1600's. > | > | "I think therefore I Loop!" > | "I loop therefore I covet gear!" > | "I covet gear therefore I think!" > | > | I highly recommend Rene for any looper, as he has his own rather > profound > | approach to looping. Descartes proved himself to be a very bright > | guy early > | on, even inventing some fundamental mathematical concepts we all were > | tortured with as youngsters. And then, convinced of his own mediocrity, > he > | devoted 9 years of his life to eliminating all of his opinions. > Descartes > | developed an exemplary approach to thought, whereby he would: never > accept > | anything to be true which he did not absolutely know to be true; divide > | difficult problems into as many simple parts as possible, so that they > can > | more easily be solved; conduct his thinking in order from the simplest > and > | easiest to prove through to the more complex; and last, to make > | his studies > | so complete and general as to not omit anything. > | > | Then, after this remarkable effort, Rene employs an amazing bit > | of circular > | logic to prove the existence of God in just three rather convoluted > | sentences. Impressive! I heartily encourage you all to create > | music in that > | fashion. In fact, reminds me of many posts here on Looper's Delight. > | > | Sadly, although Rene is considered the Father of Modern Philosophy, he > did > | not live long enough to invent his own looper or compose any influential > | loop music, as he certainly would have. The queen of Sweden hired > | him to be > | her tutor, and demanded that he begin instruction at 5am in cold > | Sweden. He > | died within months. I'm sure the same would happen to me.... > | > | kim > | > | ______________________________________________________________________ > | Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > | kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > | http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > | > | > | > From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA29225; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:17:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:17:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paul.C.Wright@ercgroup.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Readings Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 07:01:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"-Mgc72.0._w6.K_98s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stephen (and all), Have you also read "The Forge Of God," by Greg Bear? If not, I could lend you my copy. I love it, particularly the ongoing universal fight between good and evil. It reminded me a great deal of John Bryne's take on Galactus (from Fantastic Four). I hope that I haven't stretched the threads of this topic too taut. Ciao, > ---------- > From: Stephen P. Goodman[SMTP:sgoodman@earthlight.net] > Reply To: sgoodman@earthlight.net > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 11:24 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Readings > > I thought I'd chip in, and tell what I'm reading right now - and a fine > distraction from bus-riding it is! "Songs of Earth & Power" by Greg Bear > is > something a friend lent me, and despite my internal comparisons to "The > Talisman", a Stephen King/Peter Straub collaboration, it would seem to be > much more substantial. > > And a great read. One premise involves the faerie folk not liking music, > especially when it comes from humans, because they perceive all music as > being potential magic, depending on its construction; thus, in our hands > it's like we're playing with explosives, though we don't realize it. And, > as a result, it's banned in their Other World... :) > > Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week! > EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA29755; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:21:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:21:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paul.C.Wright@ercgroup.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: absolutely no loop content Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 07:07:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"_OUsc.0.j27.u4A8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I noticed the Jim Carroll reference in your reading material. I got to meet Jim at a poetry reading at the now-deceased Guild Bookstore (great memories of the place), and got him to sign a copy of "The Book Of Nods." Exceptionally evocative and visual poetry. If you haven't read it, check it out. His stuff gave me the heart to handle Bukowski... > ---------- > From: Texture444@aol.com[SMTP:Texture444@aol.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 7:11 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content > > >> now we all know what we are listening to......what are we reading? > > recently read, or reading! ::::: > > girl in landscape: jonathan lethem > traveller in space: june campbell > black snow: mikhail bulgakov > calm abiding & special insight: geshe gedun lodro > prisoners of shangri-la: donald lopez > music, the brain & ecstacy: robert jourdain > void of course: jim carroll > the tibetan yogas of dream & sleep: tenzin wangyal rinpoche > the pigeon: patrick suskind > madness & civilisation: michel foucault > the gifts of the jews: thomas cahill > enlightened courage: dilgo khyentse > the secret lives of alexandra david-neel: barbara & michael foster > everyday kabbalah: melinda ribner > > best, > dt > From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA10530; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:54:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:54:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 05:51:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: stereo to mono Resent-Message-ID: <"UyaG_3.0.mO2.F008s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'm using SoundForge and have found that you can remove the mono elements >of a stereo track...... leaving you mostly with stereo effects (inverting >one channel and combing to mono) > >I would like to use this in reverse. > >Is there any way that you can remove the stereo elements leaving on the >mono parts of a track? I've had no luck so far, and suspect it may be >physically impossible. Starting off with the stereo elements sans mono, invert and mix again with the original. Should workÉ Mark From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA03341; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:22:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:22:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012701bdf518$48138160$9b2f63c3@martinj> From: "Harry P" To: "loopers delight" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:08:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0124_01BDF520.97D63B40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"S6cmh3.0.qN.LrA8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA05456; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:55:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:55:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3620B515.10411349@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:39:33 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <012701bdf518$48138160$9b2f63c3@martinj> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F2CE0157815C2D6ED5DC2AEB" Resent-Message-ID: <"o-uDm1.0.851.GKB8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well here is the test of the newlyfound goodwill and bonding thats been going on. Are we going to be nice or play mean tricks on our confused looping friend? I will defer to someone else.

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  From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA08063; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:20:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:20:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3620BCBE.86334DD@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:12:14 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <012701bdf518$48138160$9b2f63c3@martinj> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F519AE89251B38CD20982678" Resent-Message-ID: <"XwDoF3.0.8r1.uoB8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I can't stand it.
Harry, click here to unsubscribe. you did it right but the wrong address.

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  From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA12622; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:07:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:07:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01bdf527$b9d4c2a0$862e63c3@martinj> From: "Harry P" To: "loopers delight" Subject: apologies Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:58:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDF530.096521E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ooUh23.0.Wp2.1TC8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com
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From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA13979; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:19:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:19:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3620CA2F.C4B49093@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:09:35 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <012701bdf518$48138160$9b2f63c3@martinj> <3620BCBE.86334DD@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------028801EF071791427D53B4B2" Resent-Message-ID: <"HfvNF3.0.u73.geC8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com or read the faq here http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html

Jeff Duke wrote:

 I can't stand it.
Harry, click here to unsubscribe. you did it right but the wrong address.

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Sun Oct 11 13:49:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA26939; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:25:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:25:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981011171058.22812.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.20.93] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re: Eno's Future Light Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:10:58 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"jRP_1.0.F06.TSE8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael- >does anyone really read all these posts sure do. to that end you said you were listening to: >Brian Eno: Future Light-Lounge Proposal Was there a CD made to accompany this? Or was it just the two webcasts? selam, Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA26418; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:23:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:23:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3620E82A.1F21@dmans.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:17:30 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Y2K References: <00019D7B.4007@poyry.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vD5u91.0.k46.cTE8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com MAT wrote: > > Does anybody know if loop machines, delays, reverbs etc. will be affected by the > Y2K bug? > > Miguel Absolutely. As everyone knows, the devices you mention are all time-based effects and as such are very susceptible to Y2K problems. This will be especially pronounced if you are playing a New Year's Eve gig on 1999/2000. You could start a loop in 1999 and conclude it in 1900! Experts disagree on the severity of the effect, but concur that your loop will probably be affected stylistically. An avant-garde wash of music might be transmogrified into a Sousa march. Timeless music should be unaffected. Motley From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA15574; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:27:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:27:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810111519.LAA13957@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Sender: From: "Harry P" Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:57:00 Subject: fwd: unsubscribe From: "Harry P" Sender: Subject: unsubscribe X-Message-UIDL: ALBCDDCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="==Message-Boundary==_QUATRO_908119098" Resent-Message-ID: <"0ijph.0.UQ3.PoC8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Description: Message Body ======== Original Message ======== unsubscribe ======== Fwd by: Steve Doherty ======== please unsubscribe me Attachment converted: shards o' data:PART-1.TXT 4 (TEXT/R*ch) (00001682) From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA15346; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:26:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:26:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810111519.LAA13971@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Sender: From: "Jeff Duke" Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:57:00 Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: "Jeff Duke" Sender: Subject: Re: unsubscribe X-Message-UIDL: ALBCDCFF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="==Message-Boundary==_QUATRO_908119098" Resent-Message-ID: <"8kKTp3.0.lQ3.PoC8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Description: Message Body ======== Original Message ======== Well here is the test of the newlyfound goodwill and bonding thats been going on. Are we going to be nice or play mean tricks on our confused looping friend? I will defer to someone else. Harry P wrote: > unsubscribe ======== Fwd by: Steve Doherty ======== please unsubscribe me thank you Attachment converted: shards o' data:PART-1.TXT 3 (TEXT/R*ch) (00001681) From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA16076; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:32:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:32:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810111519.LAA13963@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Sender: From: "Jeff Duke" Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:02:00 Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: "Jeff Duke" Sender: Subject: Re: unsubscribe X-Message-UIDL: ALBCDEBA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="==Message-Boundary==_QUATRO_908119098" Resent-Message-ID: <"wtlOy.0.eQ3.PoC8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Description: Message Body ======== Original Message ======== I can't stand it. Harry, click here to unsubscribe. you did it right but the wrong address. Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Harry P wrote: > unsubscribe ======== Fwd by: Steve Doherty ======== this is not harry how do i unsubscribe Attachment converted: shards o' data:PART-1.TXT 5 (TEXT/R*ch) (00001683) From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA06174; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:23:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:23:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <95d14953.36210352@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:13:22 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: listening and reading Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"tLmk73.0.NH1.TFG8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, and BLUE was completely awesome in the Live show! Have to find a copy of the disk, somewhere! :) Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 00:07:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA08473; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:04:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:04:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BDF5B4.3BE12090.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: Eno's Future Light Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:37:52 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9TNY81.0._i1.4YP8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >does anyone really read all these posts > sure do. ha ! I was waiting for this question... > >Brian Eno: Future Light-Lounge Proposal > Was there a CD made to accompany this? Or was it just the two webcasts? just the two webcasts - they can still be watched at the museum website btw, but the sound quality sucks. I went to the installation a week or two ago and made a 70-minute tape of its ambient music for myself. I will *not* make this available to anyone, sorry. I heard that recordings of the museum concert with Czukay (very different music, and more interesting than the installation soundtrack) might eventually become available on CD. * michael peters mpeters@csi.com * "escape veloopity" electronic guitar loop music * http://listen.to/michaelpeters From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 23:31:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA25181; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:13:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:13:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <61528710.36212f4d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:21:01 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: faint loop content: jim carroll Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"mvJmw3.0.zA5.I_I8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I noticed the Jim Carroll reference in your reading material. I got to >meet >Jim at a poetry reading at the now-deceased Guild Bookstore (great memories >of the place), and got him to sign a copy of "The Book Of Nods." >Exceptionally evocative and visual poetry. If you haven't read it, check >it >out. His stuff gave me the heart to handle Bukowski... pretty sure that one of my kids has 'book of nods': i'll surely borrow it, eventually. since yer a fan of jim's, ya might like the two (music) tracks we co-wrote (w/anton sanko) for jim's forthcoming CD release. best, dt From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 23:31:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA10207; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:01:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:01:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36216074.6D30@erols.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:50:44 -0400 From: Michael Preston Reply-To: michpres@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: listening and reading References: <95d14953.36210352@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L4Toj1.0.HH2.p3M8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lee-ohki, Check out the Papa Bear Records site to order B.L.U.E discs, or call them at 1-800-688-2227. http://papabear.com/blue.html hope this helps. Michael M3chakucha@aol.com wrote: > > Yes, and BLUE was completely awesome in the Live show! > > Have to find a copy of the disk, somewhere! > > :) > > Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 23:32:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA27286; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:21:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:21:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <81d31327.362180e9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:09:13 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: New Digital Sampling/Looping devices. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"BCpP81.0.2O6.56O8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/7/98 8:37:01 PM, Lee wrote: >I am looking for >something that has a foot controller and can handle around 5 to 10 seconds of >sampling prior to looping it. Investigate the Korg DL8000R; with a stereo vol pedal controlling send-to, and a Korg Exp2 pedal on feedback, you'll get 5.2 sec stereo looping, or 10+sec. mono...plus a lot of other cool delay tricks, for around $400 (pedals extra~)-( dpc From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 23:32:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA32462; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:55:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:55:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:44:10 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: projeKCt two Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"217i21.0.1W7.KcO8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/8/98 8:49:16 AM, a looperfellow --or is that fellowlooper ?-- wrote: >projeKCt two: space groove (Q: what planet are these guys on? A: Zarg - > >Music for Spaceports) With no wish to start anything acrimonious, I must confess that I bought this CD, largely on the basis of having read so much about RF here, and about this "new" experimental "free" direction for him and his mates in the music press, and was actually expecting to be stretched, or at least surprised with something fresh, if not musically, at least sonically...I got about 3/4 of the way thru this SpaceGroove side without spotting anything even slightly out of the ordinary and eventually just called it off...it sounded to me completely predictable, just aimless fleet-footed fusioneering with an occasionally annoying bit of pitch-bent quasi-Vibe, standing in for an unmemorable guitar, both doing their level best to be totally un-evocative of anything--just some guys with instruments in a room making notes to a steady-ish beat...which I've heard a few times before. Am I missing anything on the remaining disk--or did I fail to detect something fascinating on this one? Is this what a "Soundscape" is?? .....hope not... Really, I'm not trying to be offensive to any fripp fans, and hope this disk is NOT representative; guess I'm just venting over another $18 spent on "expectations" that weren't, and "entertainment" that wasn't... dpc From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA23758; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:08:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:08:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:47:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: Midi Delay software Resent-Message-ID: <"9J-nx1.0.1n4.1ZW8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On further investigating software looping capabilities of Opcode Max, I found this: http://www2.cybernex.net/~jonwitte/ReadMididelay.html dunno if anyone mentioned this to the list yet, but the this sounds pretty cool. from the website : "What is Midi Delay? Midi Delay does many of the same things as a hardware digital delay and more...The programs uses hardware digital delay terminology making it very intuitive to use for most electronic musicians. In this fully registered version of Midi Delay the user gets 15 seconds of delay time, and 10,000 repeats (feedback) on the main delay and 16 multitap delay sections that allows 15 seconds of delay time on each tap and the ability to send the taps on different midi channels or to different midi instruments. The multitap section can be fed to the main delay for further processing and cool looping effects. Midi delay supports Apple's Quicktime Musical Instruments v2.0 and higher as an output source." Times_New_RomanDarcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department H.H.Dow Building, 2300 Hayward St., University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (734) 764 3377 Fax (734) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/MEL http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA27072; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:22:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:22:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: AURALG@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:07:01 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: unsubscribe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"Zt4ZF1.0.Ts5.2sW8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com unsubscribe From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA30768; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:42:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:42:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:20:40 +0100 Message-ID: <0018E9D5.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: SquarePusher on BBC Radio 3 etc To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"lNZiV2.0.R-6.jAX8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all This first bit may mainly be of UK-only interest, so apologies, but Radio 3's Mixing It (tonight, 12-x-98 10.45pm) is supposed to include SquarePusher discussing his new CD. Well, that's what they announced last week, but the web site says to expect a session from Tortoise, so either way it might be OK. Also fairly UK-centric. A new magazine about computers and music called (duh) Computer Music was launched a few weeks ago. Its cover CD features a list of useful URLs including Looper's Delight - world domination one step nearer then. It also contains a full copy of Cubasis Audio Lite, and a demo of Acid, and as I just got a (proper) new PC, its nice to finally see what all that discussion was about. For the same reason (new PC) I've been reading all the cover-disc mags (or more accurately trying out all the demos - most of the mags are content-free unless you're especially interested in a product review), so not much `real' reading. However, I bought a remaindered copy of Idoru, mostly cos Chapter One is entitled Death Cube K, which reminded me of a discussion a while ago about Death Cube K/Buckethead - so who anagramised whom, hmm? I'm also about to start Ian McEwan's Enduring Love. And just an hour ago bought the double CD - Rites - by Jan Garbarek which includes something close to block rockin' beats in places - sort of "I shook up the tunes" (oh suit yerself). And another version of "...gray voice". But I don't know what it sounds like yet - cos I've go two copies of the second CD, and non of the first! Jolly nuisance. Live as it happens etc. Anyone remember Del Bailey's version of the Lost Chord from the compilation album with Fred Frith et al? Well that's more than enough so - Cheers David From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA31951; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:48:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:48:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <8625669B.004F10D2.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:29:31 -0500 Subject: RE: Recordings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"RVFN83.0.T_6.8BX8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd color you a realist. Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > y'know, I've heard a lot of television commercials with really cool > backing > music in the past couple of years. That's where I've heard the best drum > n' > bass lately. . . . Was the jingle industry quitely disappeared and > replace by avant-garde composers? In any case, seems like a fine place for > some wild loops. > > I've noticed this too . . . my take on it is a little less benign I guess. To me, it seems like just another instance of a cool art form being coopted for the sake of commerce - - thereby stripping it of any sense of danger or threat, and totally subverting it away from the youth culture that created it . . . turning it into yet another homogenized bit of corporate culture. IMHO. Color me pessimstic . . . From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA04433; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:17:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:17:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:58:18 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: looping live Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"0mmHv3.0.BL.6cX8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey listers... i'm in the middle of a very enjoyable tour with the Tom Tom Club... if you haven't had a chance to catch any shows yet here are the rest of the dates... it's a buncha fun! fri 10/16 washington dc ; the bayou sat 10/17 pasadena md ; daytona's 10/23 new haven ; toad's place 10/24 old bridge nj ; birch hill nighclub 10/30 philadelphia ; theater of living arts 10/31 nyc ; tramps chris frantz ; drums tina weymouth ; bass steve scales ; percussion bruce martin ; keyboards robby aceto ; guitar noodles & looping charles pettigrew ; vocals ...special guests From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA05189; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:20:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:20:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A6550@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: stereo to mono Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:01:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"IeWBf1.0.zR.CeX8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alex (and Aden)- When you invert one channel and then sum the two, as you did, you remove all signals where L=R, which is mono. This is commonly known as the (L+R) signal. What you are left with is commonly known as the difference signal, or (L-R). A stereo signal consists of (L+R) and (L-R). If you add the two, you are left with only L, if you subtract the two, you are left with only R. You can do as Aden says, first obtain the difference signal and then add that to the total, and you will be left with the sum, or mono signal. There is an another, perhaps easier way to achieve this. Just combine L and R without inverting one channel. Then, you remove all signals where L= -R. This is the part of the total signal which produces a sense of spaciousness, and is commonly called the (L-R) or difference signal. You will remove this whenever you simply sum L and R. (Incidentally, if you boost the (L-R) relative to the (L+R), you achieve "expanded stereo", or "SRS", or Carver "Sonic Holography", or any of a number of schemes developed since Dynaco (David Hafler) devised "Matrix Surround Stereo" in the '60's by connecting one speaker across the (+) output terminals of a stereo amplifier, and placing this speaker in the rear of the room. It is all the same thing.) The new Fender acoustic amp does something like this. You can do cool things with the difference signal (L-R), which you can isolate by inverting one channel and then summing the two. For instance, you can get rotating speaker effects by either amplitude modulating this signal and/or doing time-delay modulation to it (passing it through a choruser, phasor, etc.), then combining it back with the sum (L+R) signal. If you are familiar with opamps, as I assume you might be since you are experimenting with these things, you can easily and cheaply make a circuit using readily-available quad opamps to have both the sum and difference channels at your disposal to do all kinds of creative processing: Sum the two channels, for (L+R), which is mono. Invert one channel and then sum the two, which is the stereo difference signal. Now, if you sum and difference these two signals unmodified, then you end up with the original L and R channels (stereo). You can play with the sum and difference signals to achieve cool effects before recombining. This is how a lot of movie soundtrack effects are achieved, also reverb effects, particularly if the reverb and other time delay functions are used in the difference signal. -----Original Message----- From: Alex [mailto:alex_d@netcomuk.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, October 10, 1998 7:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: stereo to mono I'm using SoundForge and have found that you can remove the mono elements of a stereo track...... leaving you mostly with stereo effects (inverting one channel and combing to mono) I would like to use this in reverse. Is there any way that you can remove the stereo elements leaving on the mono parts of a track? I've had no luck so far, and suspect it may be physically impossible. From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA05918; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:23:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:23:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36221C29.1A0074C8@intcpi.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:11:37 -0400 From: "John Price" Organization: INTELLISOFT, CPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andre@monmouth.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: projeKCt two References: <199810121406.KAA03873@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vkesX1.0.kk.FkX8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Whoa boy !!!! The "Frippheaded Math Rockers" are gonna love you (Dpcoffin) for that one. Mention the name Fripp and all people will have somethin to eventually say. And I can see it now, Endless E-Mail Headers looking like this: "In defense of ..." "Regarding your criticisms of Mr. Fripp" ... or , "The Importance of understanding the crafty nature of gentlemen" ... "Clarification of Fripp's stance" ... "Of commerce and art or some other "overly analytical "verbiage". And of Course comentatary will endlessly try to make a response to you into some type of equation where they can mathematically prove your "Opinion" wrong.. Wanna take bets as to how many replies will be like that ??? O' well, I will take the bait Dp provided and finish w/ an opinion. Now, Opinions are important, but not the end all or be all. And I do happen to "kinda" agree with DP on this one. I think project 2 is more of a "for die hard fans" only disc that never really gets off the ground. I also think it wasn't really ever supposed to be "barn burner". It also kinda lets people see what it is that Trey Gunn actually does or can do surrounded or burried under all the firepower crimson has inside its belly. Spacegroove seems more like a Fripp and "Friends" at home having a "jam" with the "new drum toy" Belew got in the mail. It strikes me as stuff that would probably never be released under most anal Fripp circumstances. What I really do like about Spacegroove is that it does not have that "total" air of Frippieness that just about evrything he does has. I'm more impressed by artists that constantly change their groove once they've established it. Fripp can and has done that while being completely tortuous, subversive, subtle, mechanical and purely spellbinding at any given moment. He's a paradox that does not quite fit anywhere 100%. Even though Space Groove shows a that there is more to him than what you normally hear, I still can't seem to find much interesting or rather sustaining in these 2 discs other than the dancier traks with the "Asian" Sounding type guitar groove on the.. well u know... the dancier cut on the less "fusiony" disc. This is more like Fripp walking around in his boxer shorts but having a very good time it seems. From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:29:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA08797; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:38:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:38:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:25:14 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Reading Material Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"muOcU.0.-f1.V_X8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Right now, I am reading MAKES ME WANNA HOLLER by Nathan McCall, and I am goin to re-read THE ISIS PAPERS by Dr. Nancy Cress Welsing... pick them up! From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 19:15:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA30513; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:24:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:24:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:39:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: PC:B Reviewed Resent-Message-ID: <"5kTT8.0.F77.Bjf8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Looper's, The following review of FingerPaint's Primary Colors: BLUE is form the most recent issue of FAQT Electronic Culture Volume 2 NUmber 4 FAQT is available from Tower Records and other fine stores. In an ambient vein of a different sort is FingerPaint from Takoma Park, MD who have pressed thier own CD called Primary Colors: BLUE. The sounds on PC:B are quite amazing for such an independent release, a bubbling meandering collage of sine wasves and synth pads that flirt with new age, but succed in surpassing that ill fated tag by leaps and bounds. FingerPaint can be as edgy and intense as it can be relaxing, accomplishing this with minimal percussion. And a sinister bent brings several tracks close to dark ambient territory. Well done. I doubt this will stir up as much angst as el Fripp....... Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 13:07:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA10814; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:42:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:42:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD067ECA6@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Recordings Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:22:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"GhdPe3.0.8u1.zba8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > thereby stripping it of any sense of > >danger or threat, and totally subverting it away from the youth culture > that > >created it . . . turning it into yet another homogenized bit of corporate > >culture. IMHO. > > > > > > Color me pessimstic . . . > > > > > I dunno, maybe it's that some cool musicians are infiltrating the music > industry. Maybe the subversion runs both ways? The Volkswagen add curently > running is probably the most ears the Orb have reached thus far. > > ________________________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ > > Hey Dave, Yes, this occurs to me as well. I think that subversion CAN cut both ways. To me, however, it usually comes down to the corporate folk using things as the current flavor/window-dressing for their necessary adverstising uses (and they "do" need to advertise. As opposed to some people who are creating the stuff because they "need to" . . . I just remember the days about 8(?) years ago when the new sound in advertising was fake U2-style guitar music. The other deal about subversion from the other side (rather than the mercantile side) is this (got this from a PolySci teacher): It's the Golden Rule - - you take their gold, you follow their rules. Musically, I think that the stuff sounds good . . . as I said I'm a pessimist about this sort of thing tho' . . . stig From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 19:15:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA23737; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:32:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:32:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981012232629.20446.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:26:29 -0700 (PDT) From: robert kolosowski Subject: Re: projeKCt two To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"on3l7.0.xa5.d_e8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree with you guys on this one (even though i'm a big fan of Mr. Fribble) ... fripp in boxer shorts, but with the end of his cock dangling out the bottom of one side ! - a bit too relaxed. We all work best musically at some point of 'passionate motivation' .. mabye they should get drunk next time ... == Robert Kolosowski Kolosoro@Yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 19:15:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA31347; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:30:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:30:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810130017.UAA04970@ulster.net> Subject: best price on Echoplex... Date: Mon, 12 Oct 98 20:17:19 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"OBzj7.0.wG7.onf8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there - I'm a new list member & electro/acoustic percussionist. After doing some research it looks like the only box to buy ( for my purposes) is the much loved Oberheim Echoplex Digital pro. I;m sure that this question gets asked often but here it goes... Where can I get the best price on the Echoplex and whats the going rate? I've called Musicians Friend & Bananas at Large both quoted $729 for the unit. The new gear price list has only one listing ($479) but that was from 1996 I just want to check the list before lay down the cash.... peace, john From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 19:15:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA05627; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:27:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:27:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810130120.VAA12135@ulster.net> Subject: Boomerang question... Date: Mon, 12 Oct 98 21:19:43 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"k1lS-1.0.mB1.Iig8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While mentioning to a friend about looking for an OB echoplex he suggested that I buy his little used Boomerang. I have one question: Is the memory upgradeable? He has a 30sec/1min version. Thanks, jmw From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 20:06:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA16189; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:53:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:53:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Todd Reynolds Subject: Re: PC:B Reviewed Resent-Message-ID: <"azquy2.0.ob3.2vh8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com waiting anxiously for a reply on your jamman... what's the price? -------------------- Liz Knowles and Todd Reynolds Write to Liz at her NEW and private Lidd Music Partners email address which is... 500B Grand St. 11G NY NY 10002 lizfyddle@aol.com 212 475-8559 phone on the road again..... 212 358-9371 fax liddmuse@bway.net http://www.bway.net/~liddmuse From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 23:45:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA00049; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:31:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:31:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3622D3D7.5477B492@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:15:21 +1100 From: Brad Knox Reply-To: B.Knox@latrobe.edu.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang question... References: <199810130120.VAA12135@ulster.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ywLSG1.0.as7.jDk8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com evening wrote: > > While mentioning to a friend about looking for an OB echoplex he > suggested that I buy his little used Boomerang. > > I have one question: Is the memory upgradeable? He has a 30sec/1min > version. > > Thanks, > > jmw hi jmw, the memory is certainly upgradable... standard 30 pin 4 meg RAM boosts the 'rang to 2min/4min... all that needs to be done is open 'er up, pull out the same looking 1 meg card and plug in the 4 meg (there are fairly sturdy pegs holding it in)... if you've got the cash go the 'plex though.... or buy both... the 'rang has no midi for electronic percussion and might not have enough sampling rate for acoustic percussion (you lose a bit of top... which is just fine for my dark guitaring) brad pssst.. i love the 'rang From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 23:45:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA04442; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:56:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:56:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3622D6A5.8BF3DAA@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:27:18 +1100 From: Brad Knox Reply-To: B.Knox@latrobe.edu.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: projeKCt two References: <199810121406.KAA03873@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gnDIY.0.4C.0Sk8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com andre wrote: > > the show i > saw - plus a tape i'v heard - are simply unmissable. see the fall tour, > tape the CD off a friend.... > > peace, andre' shhhh! better not let the Great Fripper, Vanquisher of Bootleg, hear that! From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 11:57:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA04583; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:45:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:45:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:25:30 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Space Groove Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"wO4001.0._k.Zap8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I dunno about you, but I kind of like Space Groove. It's great music for driving, that's for sure, especially if you are on a rather long trip. It's also rather interesting in that on that first track, Fripp gets to solo until his brain falls out (I've finally decided that this is Fripp instead of Gunn as there are several obvious Fernandes Sustainor bits in there, as well as some Digitech Whammy pedal usage). Yes, it's not heavily composed and maybe not recorded with an air of "THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT RECORDING" about it, but it's sort of rare to hear Fripp in a "jamming" situation, where he's obviously improvising over a groove (I don't think Thrakattack counts...) It sounds fun to me - for that, I like it. I'm waiting for the next real King Crimson project for "next generation" innovation. -t From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA20750; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:55:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:55:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810121331.JAA21164@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: regarding Derek Bailey Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:32:04 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Gx3GF.0.kD4.bKW8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I know that fellow looper Andre' Cholmondeley was at the recording of the > "Sign of 4" recording at the Knitting Factory. In fact..listen to the end of > the third disc and you will hear Andre' yelling "DEREK BAILEY, DEREK > BAILEY!! Thank you Pat!". haha (LOL!) i almost forgot that little detail!! yeah - Jeff, you're right - i was in the smallish crowd at the late knit show of that insane quartet!! they tore our heads off- has anyone out there NOT heard even a bit of this great 3 disc set yet??? Tow state of the art drummers and two sonic masters - Metheny and Bailey - they made spiderwebs of sound, then WALLS of sound... I also was lucky enuf to see the great DB at a duos festival at the old knit - i seem to remember him doing duos with John Zorn .. and maybe Fred Frith. I've also seen him play a solo set. The guy is just approaching guitar TOTALLY from the other side... check him out on acoustic - he has a duets CD with Kaiser called "Wireforks" (get it?) all hail the bail' andre' From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 11:57:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA23988; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:32:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:32:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BDF6BA.3660B7A0.andrew@bocs.com> From: Andrew Taylor Reply-To: "andrew@bocs.com" To: "Loop (E-mail)" Subject: The Mayans - First Loopers ? Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:00:21 +0100 Organization: bocs X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"RfMiy1.0.eg4.Lsr8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This was in the news today, Echo of the past THE Mayans may have made the world's first audio recording a thousand years ago. This is the claim of an acoustics engineer who says the properties of echoes produced by Mayan pyramids suggest they were built to copy the cry of sacred birds. Guides often clap a pair of rocks together to entertain the crowds of tourists at the Kukulk‡n pyramid at Chichen Itza in Mexico. The echo that comes back is surprising, a descending chirp of "EE-oo". The guides say the sound was engineered by the Mayans to mimic anything >from an animal cry to the ghostly howls of humans sacrificed at that spot. But serious Mayan scholars have written this off as nonsense. full story at: http://www.yahoo.co.uk/headlines/19981012/newscien/908150460-201867272.html From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA27083; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:22:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:22:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810121406.KAA03873@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: projeKCt two Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:06:39 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zT8cn2.0.8p5.4rW8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > something fresh, if not musically, at least sonically...I got about 3/4 of the > way thru this SpaceGroove side without spotting anything even slightly out of > the ordinary and eventually just called it off...it sounded to me completely > predictable, just aimless fleet-footed fusioneering with an occasionally > annoying bit of pitch-bent quasi-Vibe, standing in for an unmemorable guitar, nope, dp - you missed nothing. I love fripp unabashedly - he is and remains and will be a favorite and a huge influence and source of musical joy for me. But the SPace groove CD is not groundbreaking, no more than the series of soundscapes albums are. perhaps(?) to fripp's credit - he doesn't call em such - some of the press - and many fans do...but it's emperors new clothes here. But i WILL say - tha by the time i saw them live - they smoked!!!! their big mistake - was - most of the stuff on the CD was from the FIRST day they got into the studio and jammed!!! you know - you jam- it comes out great on tape - you're excited - so you release it (given you have a record company handy) - but as we all know - the music 2-3 months later will be so much better in this knida setting... so - i'm puzzled as to why they put out the embryonic stuff - when the live stuff was incredibly eveolved!!! the show i saw - plus a tape i'v heard - are simply unmissable. see the fall tour, tape the CD off a friend.... peace, andre' From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 11:58:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA14454; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:07:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:07:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: Suggestion for new looper feature Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 12:49:00 EDT Message-ID: <3623824A@199.71.32.33> Encoding: 17 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Rws3l.0.jc2.eAu8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Something that I'd like to see in all future looping devices is a dry out >jack >Thanks, >Travis Hartnett I quite agree! The last time my looper got really drunk it took forever to get it sober! ;-P Sorry, Travis, couldn't resist that one. Jim Bailey From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 20:54:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA05922; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:06:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:06:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:23:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Space Groove Resent-Message-ID: <"9VXQo.0.Z81.RC19s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com James Sidlo wrote:. >> What label is this, "Space Groove" on? Discipline records? Is it >> available domestically stateside? Thanks, James James it is released on DGM. ANd is available from Possible Productions. I do not have their number handy, but if you search the web for Elephant talk, I know that you can access DGM"S site from their. AS to the content of Space Groove, yes it''s not ground breaking music, but how much music is? I do enjoy listening to it myself. It's fun. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 16:39:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA13441; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:27:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:27:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:01:09 +0200 To: Loopers Delight * Mail List From: nicolas monguzzi Subject: concert in Baltimore and New York Resent-Message-ID: <"-q3fK2.0.Zh2.7Gx8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ciao next two weeks i'll come to Baltimore and New York (one week each) Can anyone let me know any good place to go for concert (avant-garde, contemporary jazz, loop-based music, ....) or any site on the web where i can find info. thank you very much ciao nic (Me and AndrŽ DŽcosterd have composed the music that will be played at UMBC Visual Arts in Baltimore during the exposition of the graphic designer Bruno Monguzzi. The music will be played in octophony (???) by eight loudspeakers. If anyone interested... see you there! a cd (stereo of course...) is available) From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 16:49:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA10783; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:42:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:42:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981013233014.860.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.20.114] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Musician's Friend? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:30:07 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"mvuwj.0.jE2.0C-8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK gotta vent here- Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at 3:30. But only the foot pedal. I call them up to say what the fuck. "Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 17:10:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA13487; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:59:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:59:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <8625669C.0081D000.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:43:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Musician's Friend? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"kInaK3.0.Km2.qO-8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Buck, Take a deep breath, let it out slow. They are full of crap, Oberheim still makes the EDP. Jim "Joseph Buck" on 10/13/98 06:30:07 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Jim M Shepherd/Tivoli Systems) Subject: Musician's Friend? OK gotta vent here- Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at 3:30. But only the foot pedal. I call them up to say what the fuck. "Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 20:53:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA14216; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:02:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:02:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <98Oct13.184721cdt.26890@gateway.gibson.com> From: Dino Cattaneo To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Musician's Friend - Echoplexes still produced. Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:46:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"v4KrO1.0.Pu2.mS-8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That information is incorrect. The Echoplex is still made and sold, and currently in stock. If Musician's Friend places an order with us they should be able to get one fairly quickly. -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Buck [mailto:josephbuck@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 6:30 PM To: dcattane@gibson.com Subject: Musician's Friend? OK gotta vent here- Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at 3:30. But only the foot pedal. I call them up to say what the fuck. "Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 20:54:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA17701; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:20:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:20:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19981013233014.860.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:05:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Musician's Friend? Resent-Message-ID: <"K7lMW1.0.nm3.Wk-8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >OK gotta vent here- > >Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday >over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at >3:30. But only the foot pedal. >I call them up to say what the fuck. >"Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." >Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! > >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! that's bullshit. Oberheim has them in stock and is shipping to dealers regularly. I talked to them about it just the other day. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 20:54:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA17847; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:21:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:21:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3623EC8D.B6A155D7@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:13:01 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Musician's Friend? References: <19981013233014.860.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yNygE2.0.Sx3.1o-8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Have you tried Thoroughbred Music. They list it in their catalog. Checkemout. http://www.tbred-music.com/ Jeff Joseph Buck wrote: > OK gotta vent here- > > Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday > over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at > 3:30. But only the foot pedal. > I call them up to say what the fuck. > "Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." > Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 20:54:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA19029; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:28:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:28:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3623EE60.3FD0CA11@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:20:49 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Musician's Friend? References: <19981013233014.860.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yawdw3.0.GK4.Fv-8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I hunted for it. see if this works; http://www.tbred-music.com/cgi-bin/network/pricesearch.cgi Joseph Buck wrote: > OK gotta vent here- > > Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday > over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at > 3:30. But only the foot pedal. > I call them up to say what the fuck. > "Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." > Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 20:54:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA21882; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:50:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:50:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3623F370.E65B70F@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:42:24 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Musician's Friend? References: <19981013233014.860.qmail@hotmail.com> <3623EE60.3FD0CA11@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EAli02.0.X65.UD_8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here I go again! Sorry about that link its a cgi script from a seach that I did. Not a valid url. Jeff Duke wrote: > I hunted for it. see if this works; > http://www.tbred-music.com/cgi-bin/network/pricesearch.cgi > > Joseph Buck wrote: > > > OK gotta vent here- > > > > Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday > > over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at > > 3:30. But only the foot pedal. > > I call them up to say what the fuck. > > "Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." > > Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! > > > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 20:54:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA02642; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:42:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:42:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36240EA2.76BDB5B0@stic.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:38:26 -0500 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Space Groove References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dMsyg1.0.tG.nr09s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Todd Madson wrote: > I dunno about you, but I kind of like Space Groove. It's great > music for driving, that's for sure, especially if you are on a > rather long trip. > What label is this, "Space Groove" on? Discipline records? Is it > available domestically stateside? Thanks, James > It's also rather interesting in that on that first track, Fripp > gets to solo until his brain falls out (I've finally decided that > this is Fripp instead of Gunn as there are several obvious > Fernandes Sustainor bits in there, as well as some Digitech Whammy > pedal usage). > > Yes, it's not heavily composed and maybe not recorded with an air > of "THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT RECORDING" about it, but it's sort of > rare to hear Fripp in a "jamming" situation, where he's obviously > improvising over a groove (I don't think Thrakattack counts...) > > It sounds fun to me - for that, I like it. I'm waiting for the > next real King Crimson project for "next generation" innovation. > > -t From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 20:54:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA10481; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:46:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:46:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36241D71.D09C7821@stic.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:41:37 -0500 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Space Groove References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DvS4h3.0.TG2.-m19s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Patrick Smith wrote: > James Sidlo wrote:. > >> What label is this, "Space Groove" on? Discipline records? Is it > >> available domestically stateside? Thanks, James > > James it is released on DGM. ANd is available from Possible Productions. I > do not have their number handy, but if you search the web for Elephant > talk, I know that you can access DGM"S site from their. > > AS to the content of Space Groove, yes it''s not ground breaking music, but > how much music is? I do enjoy listening to it myself. It's fun. > > Patrick > Thanks, James > Now Available: > FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE > > A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. > Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue > > www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 21:04:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA11009; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:50:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:50:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36241E1B.97F4C925@stic.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:44:28 -0500 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Space Groove References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Bdw7h1.0.vL2.ep19s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Patrick Smith wrote: > James Sidlo wrote:. > >> What label is this, "Space Groove" on? Discipline records? Is it > >> available domestically stateside? Thanks, James > > James it is released on DGM. ANd is available from Possible Productions. I > do not have their number handy, but if you search the web for Elephant > talk, I know that you can access DGM"S site from their. > > AS to the content of Space Groove, yes it''s not ground breaking music, but > how much music is? I do enjoy listening to it myself. It's fun. > > Patrick > > Now Available: > FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE > > A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. > Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue > > www.fingerpaint.net Hello Patrick, Would you be interested in trading cds. Samples from the "Crevice 2" cd are on my web site: www.stic.net/users/jameshsidlo. Best, James From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 11:19:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA12223; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:23:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:23:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bdf753$7a6f4260$3c4a8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Vortex for cheap Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:17:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"rw7222.0.Cs2._i69s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey all! Someone is selling a Lexicon Vortex at Harmony Central for a mere $125. Go to www.harmonycentral.com and then to the effects classifieds. The ad looks like it just went up (dated 10/13). There's also an older ad for a $200 one. -Jesse From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 11:19:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA21517; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:40:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:40:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981014082607.00957800@fuzzy.brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@fuzzy.brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:26:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: RE: Problem getting Echoplexes In-Reply-To: <98Oct13.184721cdt.26890@gateway.gibson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2IRCw3.0.u-4.re89s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, RE: >"Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." Stories like that are a real deterrent to ordering the product. A dealer I spoke to -- whom I subsequently learned was the Canadian distributor for Echoplex -- also spoke of unreliable delivery, didn't give me a firm price, wanted a 10% downpayment (never required on any other product I have ordered), and urged patience. I have had either no response, or a negative one, from other dealers that I have written to -- including 8th Street Music, which was mentioned on this list. After trying for over a week, I am still unable to find an Echoplex in stock. Yet Dino Cattaneo, from Gibson, writes: >That information is incorrect. The Echoplex is still made and sold, and >currently in stock. If Musician's Friend places an order with us they >should be able to get one fairly quickly. Or, more colorfully: >That's bullshit. Oberheim has them in stock and is shipping to dealers >regularly. I talked to them about it just the other day. What gives? Why does there seem to be so much confusion about this? Can we place a group buy of Echoplexes at a good price -- either from a dealer or directly from Gibson -- through the list? Should I pick up a Lexicon JamMan that I was offered instead? Buying it would be hassle free and it would certainly cost less. Thanks, Howard At 06:46 PM 10/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >That information is incorrect. The Echoplex is still made and sold, and >currently in stock. If Musician's Friend places an order with us they >should be able to get one fairly quickly. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joseph Buck [mailto:josephbuck@hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 6:30 PM >To: dcattane@gibson.com >Subject: Musician's Friend? > > >OK gotta vent here- > >Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday >over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at >3:30. But only the foot pedal. >I call them up to say what the fuck. >"Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." >Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! > >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! > > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 11:57:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA21418; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:21:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:21:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810131325.JAA28263@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Space Groove Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:25:47 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Peuyw.0.ue3.3Lr8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I dunno about you, but I kind of like Space Groove. It's great > music for driving, that's for sure, especially if you are on a > rather long trip. i don't really recall anyone saying they "don't like space groove", but rather that we have to have some kinda gauge of excellence - if everything is 'awesome' (not your words), then we're stuck with nowhere to go. It's just not as good as it woulda been if they had released stuff from , say, the 4th or 5th rehearsal instead of the first. anyone who saw the excellent shows will vouch for that. andre' From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 11:20:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA02278; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:50:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:50:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <8625669D.004989DF.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:29:15 -0500 Subject: RE: Problem getting Echoplexes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"aTJR03.0._u7.WUA9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Howard, FWIW, my opinion is that you should slog through and wait for the EDP. I got mine (finally) from Banana's At Large, after waiting about a month. Definitely worth the wait, and the hassle. Just my 2 cents, Jim Howard Harawitz on 10/14/98 06:26:07 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Jim M Shepherd/Tivoli Systems) Subject: RE: Problem getting Echoplexes What gives? Why does there seem to be so much confusion about this? Can we place a group buy of Echoplexes at a good price -- either from a dealer or directly from Gibson -- through the list? Should I pick up a Lexicon JamMan that I was offered instead? Buying it would be hassle free and it would certainly cost less. Thanks, From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 11:20:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA04101; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:59:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:59:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <98Oct14.084419cdt.26890@gateway.gibson.com> From: Dino Cattaneo To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Problem getting Echoplexes Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:43:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"kOW001.0.VS.LjA9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Echoplexes are in stock at Oberheim/Electar. We are shipping them as we speak to dealers who order them. -----Original Message----- From: Howard Harawitz [mailto:howard@brooknorth.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 6:26 AM To: dcattane@gibson.com Subject: RE: Problem getting Echoplexes Hi, RE: >"Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." Stories like that are a real deterrent to ordering the product. A dealer I spoke to -- whom I subsequently learned was the Canadian distributor for Echoplex -- also spoke of unreliable delivery, didn't give me a firm price, wanted a 10% downpayment (never required on any other product I have ordered), and urged patience. I have had either no response, or a negative one, from other dealers that I have written to -- including 8th Street Music, which was mentioned on this list. After trying for over a week, I am still unable to find an Echoplex in stock. Yet Dino Cattaneo, from Gibson, writes: >That information is incorrect. The Echoplex is still made and sold, and >currently in stock. If Musician's Friend places an order with us they >should be able to get one fairly quickly. Or, more colorfully: >That's bullshit. Oberheim has them in stock and is shipping to dealers >regularly. I talked to them about it just the other day. What gives? Why does there seem to be so much confusion about this? Can we place a group buy of Echoplexes at a good price -- either from a dealer or directly from Gibson -- through the list? Should I pick up a Lexicon JamMan that I was offered instead? Buying it would be hassle free and it would certainly cost less. Thanks, Howard At 06:46 PM 10/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >That information is incorrect. The Echoplex is still made and sold, and >currently in stock. If Musician's Friend places an order with us they >should be able to get one fairly quickly. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joseph Buck [mailto:josephbuck@hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 6:30 PM >To: dcattane@gibson.com >Subject: Musician's Friend? > > >OK gotta vent here- > >Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday >over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at >3:30. But only the foot pedal. >I call them up to say what the fuck. >"Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." >Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! > >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! > > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 11:20:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA12625; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:44:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:44:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD067ECC3@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: StALiQ gigs . . . Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:25:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"8pd_j.0.eL2.5yD9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy Y'all, Just a (short?) note to let you know about two gigs coming up. StALiQ is Steuart Liebig, ContraBassguitars and effects/loopage; Alex Cline, Percussion; Jeff Gautheir, Violins; Eric Barber, Clarinets and Saxophones. Playing new music by Steuart Liebig. 20 October 1998, 8:00 p.m. at the Faultlines Series with KAM FONG AS CHIN HO (Arthur Jarvinen and Ryan Francesconi) This duo made their debut last April at Roulette (NYC). This will be their first L.A. appearance. (I've heard these guys separately - - they do some pretty interesting things with sound) 24th Street Theatre 1117 W. 24th Street, Los Angeles, CA (off Hoover, just south of the 10 fwy) (213) 667-0417 Admission is $12/$6 for students/seniors 24 October 1998, 8:00 p.m. at Spruce Street Forum 301 Spruce Street San Diego, CA 92103 (619) 295-0301 Admission is $12/$10 for students Hope to see you there s From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 11:33:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA17192; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:07:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:07:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3624E561.2E33362D@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:54:41 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ancient recordings References: <199810140708.DAA01387@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Fg6UM2.0.kb3.tLE9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@