From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 01:00:15 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:37:19 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygP9i-0004BL-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:37:18 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980601010651.0069d6f4@mail.utexas.edu> References: <1.5.4.32.19970601112128.00671640@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:18:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp memory question Resent-Message-ID: <"eNMTAB.A.btD.Xllc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5773 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:37:18 -0700 X-UIDL: af9a00521db1d4ee8d6315fa2ae43ac6 >At 04:21 AM 01-06-97 -0700, you wrote: >>for the love of god p[lease take me off this damn list > >Kim, it sounds like you should have a separate section for list removal on >the LD index page. (: of course, there is a page on the web site. :-) There's also instuctions sent when you join the list, which most people save and use when they need them. There are now two different help files full of helpful instructions and common errors that get sent automatically if you try to use the subscription server but make a mistake. There are many helpful people who will be happy to answer an email from some "lostsoul" who asks politely, people who's email addresses should be pretty obvious to anyone on the list. There's even a filter that checks posts sent to the list to see if someone is sending a subscription request to the wrong place, and routes them to the subscription server. That seems to get 99.99% of the people through the process just fine. Unfortunately, there's always a few who can't figure it out no matter how much help they're offered, and I usually end up helping them manually when I do list maintenance once a week. But then at the very bottom there's always someone who manages to be a jerk to everyone while not managing to go to the slightest amount of effort on their own, and instead sends irritating messages to the entire list. Welcome to the human race, eh? You get some of everything. I usually let that latter category suffer for a while, just for my own sadistic pleasure.... >:-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 09:28:53 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:18:35 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0ygQji-00071T-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:18:34 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygQjg-0006Eu-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:18:32 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygQjf-00071E-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:18:31 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:13:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Looping and Composing Resent-Message-ID: <"jHksnD.A.XYG.OEnc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5774 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:18:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 3a881647388b304e7ce0a52c5fe37c43 We've got a number of serious composers with us here on the list, who use looping as a part of their compositions. I'm mostly an improviser myself, so I've never really dealt much with this idea in my own music. I'm wondering if some of you could explain a bit about how real-time looping fits into your compositions or your approach to composing? Also, how common has this become among modern composers, and what sorts of things are others doing with looping? Any ideas about where these ideas are heading and what sorts of things we might hear in loop compositions of the future? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 09:28:58 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 04:08:58 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygSSW-00021m-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 04:08:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000901bd8d4d$16d507a0$ee22dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Looping and Composing Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 04:04:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"BvTcdC.A.RtB.3roc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5775 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 04:08:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 498b920ea5d672f7fd1095cb9e27afa9 I don't know about the term "serious"; sometimes I'm pretty silly... [dodging fruit]. I use the loop process as a start. The setup - compressor/fuzz->loop->effect->PC->Speakers->etc - remains intact in the living room with easy access to the other instruments and the home stereo/video/TV setup. In a way it's like the family piano in an electronic way, in that I can just walk up to it and lay down a track, close the loop, and let the loop run for an indeterminate time. I also have a mike and other things besides a guitar that I put into the loop. It's a way for me to instantaneously do an audio kind of "I-Ching toss". The more transparent I am to it, the more true the "throw" is, and so forth. And so it begins to have a spiritual edge at times. Since I have an interest in the insertion or incursion of ambient/looping into popular music, it so implies that these loops used would be repeatable, as in the case of repeated performance. If I was going to perform the material live, repeatedly, in a "set" a club owner didn't have to perform a leap of faith to allow me to perform ("JUST like on the tape?"), it was going to have to be something I could also remember. I don't compose in the parochial sense (no written staffs and such), I envision the piece as a Whole Thing, which can be dissected mentally in the layers that would (in part) also constitute the loops for the piece, and the other instruments. I draw in this way: the pencil doesn't often touch paper until I have an Entire Vision of what I'm going to draw in my mind's eye. So it goes for my music, at least at this time, and as far as I've dared to analyze its process. Thanks to Our Pals In Sacramento I take the bus, which in Los Angeles means a lot of keeping to yourself, keeping people from thinking they even want to bother you (on occasion), and waiting. In those spans of time, while walking in rhythm, perhaps, or just standing, I'll be thinking of the piece, over and over again. If the piece lasts the day, since for some reason I'm not distracted from it throughout the day (even when I was working at a music company), then it survives to be worked with, experimenting with moves for it that "work", that express the feel of the vision itself.. Sometimes I start out with the base loop running on the Ol' Time Machine for days at a time, and mentally or physically work with possible melodies to go with it. One thing I've found quite interesting is that, when one goes into another room, while the loop's playing, it's possible to "hear" different songs entirely. On occasion inspiration for variations on the piece, or complete other songs altogether (in one case, a suite), have emerged from this process. It continues to be a journey I continue to enjoy, without at any time, I assure you, feeling like I know EVERYTHING about what I'm doing. I was very influenced way back, by Robert Fripp's discussions of what he initially termed "Roscotronics", and some of the marvelous material done with Peter Gabriel and Daryl Hall; and, while I know that eventually producers may eventually pick up on looping, I question everyone and their sister being able to Put This Stuff Together equally as well, if at all; so I think we all still have quite a lot of fun at least to be had with looping in general. I think of it this way in terms of the most desirable-to-most possible, which some might call best-to-worst: On the top, Successful use of looping / ambience in pop music, whether the public notices or not (probably not, if it's "real" ambience); On the bottom, you've got ambient music you can continue to enjoy listening to, if you like that sort of thing. :) So it's a win-win situation. Situational-ambient music may be coming into a vogue level with some people as well, where folks in far-flung regions of the world can order a CD and turn their living rooms or cars into Other Than What They Are, if for a short period of time. I have a lot of good feelings about that too. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week, Phil Hartman)! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 09:29:11 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:51:03 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygU3K-0004qz-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:51:02 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD8D3A.4334DF40@tor-usr20.075033.aracnet.net> From: Jon Grant To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Looping in Classical Music Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:49:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD8D3A.433E0700" Resent-Message-ID: <"UU7mmC.A.uTE.DLqc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5776 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:51:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 123756f367d923db20dcc0fa269db096 To my knowledge, there are a number of classical composers who investigate loopings' applications in old and new forms. There is much "new" music (i.e.. using new forms, sounds and tonalities) that makes use of loops. Many of these do so in the form of the genre often called "_____ with tape". John Cage, Gavin Bryers, R. Murray Schaffer, and a host of others have used these pre-recorded loops along with live instruments, including the orchestra. Many of these composers have also scored loops for the live orchestra to play. Most recognizably, John Cage is famous for what he called "phasing" of parts, which amounts (more or less) to what many of us call Soundscaping. A theme is repeated by a varying group, then the same theme with added or subtracted notes is played, in a resulted counterpoint, by another group. The textures are added and altered depending upon the effect desired by the composer. At times, a solo instrument will have a more prominent "solo" part, usually based on the original theme, but accenting the texture all the more. There are also composers who, analyzing the classical forms and identifying the many repetitions within each form, use live loops in whatever ways necessary to satisfy the form (when I say "form", I mean "formal structure" of the piece, as in ABAB, or whatever). With modern equipment, since we can record a loop and then trigger it in various ways, change its length, tempo, and/or pitch, etc., we can very effectively satisfy the demands of many of the classical forms. I did this quite often in live performances starting a couple of years ago, when I got my first Jamman. Combined with my other equipment, I could pick a nice Bach fugue (for example), and using the loops/pitch shifters, along with playing live parts, my rendition of the fugue would be extremely close to Bach's original score (at least note-wise). I specifically wrote many pieces for this kind of format. One work was in classical symphony form, which was a challenge, but by scoring it for string quintet and guitar, I was able to finish it. I also did a few experiments in using non-tradition-instruments like treated animal samples or any intriguing noise and using them as the sound sources for the loops which made up the classically-formed piece. Although I enjoyed the novelty of these games, I think the audience did not, and I eventually went back to using (mostly) more traditional instruments in the loops. I think that this avenue could be explored quite a bit by people more ground-breaking than I. . . I would guess that the future of looping, at least in the classical sphere, will amount to more technically precise variations on what has already happened, with an occasional flash of creative brilliance. Prerecorded loops will likely always be the "ambience" or "accompaniment" to a played-live piece. The area in which looping seems most prevalent is percussion music. I think this aspect is most likely to change in the near future. Then again, I thought the disco revival would be a quickly passing phase. . . Jon Grant Tian Music www.aracnet.net/~tianmus From ???@??? 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From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 20:24:52 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:47:12 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygh6U-0002rh-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:47:10 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:08:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE Resent-Message-ID: <"47flAD.A.HNC.Ha2c1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5788 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:47:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 7658a595079a2adca57443ae27e5719d Hey Fellow Loopers, check this out....... Now Available from FNGP Records is the long awaited first CD release from FingerPaint, Primary Colors: BLUE. Ths 72 minute release is the first of a box set featuring FingerPaint's dark and dreamy aural interpretations of Blue. FingerPaint continues to explore the edges of live looping techniques and textural improvisations, producing a music that is cinematic in scope. Let FingerPaint take your heart and mind on a journey. FingerPaint is a guitar-driven illbient duo from Takoma Park, MD. FingerPaint released their first cassette on FNGP, Enormous Swirling Sound in the fall of 1996. ESS generated many Fanzine reviews and achieved regular airplay on college radio stations and on syndicated electronic music programs in Canada and Europe. With their new CD Primary Colors: BLUE, FingerPaint has generated soundscapes ranging from "restrained beauty" to "sinister and alien." Tracks: 1. Rain 2. Running With the Flood 3. Alone, on a Beach 4. Deep Into the New World 5. Measuring the Storm 6. Blue Sky Darkening 7. Points Versus Waves 8. Blues Unexpected The Official release date is June 10, 1998. However to memebrs of this community Primary Colors: BLUE is available for $10 post paid in the United States, Canada, and the UK up until June 10th. For other countries contact me direct for mailing rates.To secure your copy at this rate: 1. e-mail me to reserve your copy. 2. Send a check or money order payable to: Patrick Smith 3. Mail to PO Box 5364 Takoma Park, MD 20913 Please forward this message as you see appropriate. Peace, Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 13:17:43 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:53:28 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygae6-0007Ot-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:53:26 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601144904.00699f50@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:49:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: edp memory question In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980601010651.0069d6f4@mail.utexas.edu> <1.5.4.32.19970601112128.00671640@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"eUPN2B.A.kYG.wUwc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5778 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:53:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 9b28ad085bfcdf7789e76bea70f9b511 >of course, there is a page on the web site. :-) I meant a separate neon blinking, hypertext link for slobbering fools, the, I didn't know I was getting into a mailing list and didn't read the directions and have never been responsible for my reactions but I'll darn well swear about it, 1%. I just harp on it because it happens so often. I'm really learning quite a bit listening to the discussions here, and it gets tiring to hear someone bleeping about the iniquities of this when A)they haven't read everything, even on the site, B) when I see pointless friction on their, and the list's part, to deal with their non-loopy behavior. >Welcome to the human race, eh? You get some of everything. I usually let >that latter category suffer for a while, just for my own sadistic >pleasure.... >:-) You ever worked with Trent Reznor? :) Mjh From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 13:17:45 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:04:54 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygapB-0000g0-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:04:53 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601150007.00699f50@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:00:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: DJ loopage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Tzz52D.A.7B.Qfwc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5779 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:04:53 -0700 X-UIDL: e89a8f4490f265cc4596a2022ac6793c OK so I finally have some time and soon some disposable income, consumer boy, and will be submitting some demo tapes to local dance clubs in Austin. I'm interested in bringing in some effects. Essentially I play cds, and lps as my DJ mixer standardly has two cd channels and two lp channels. If anyone has used a delay or other pedal/mechanism for this purpose, I would like to know some results you acquired. I'm also considering bringing in sounds from the television, or live radio broadcast, maybe I'll just run static, but I wonder if anyone has done this? And I don't mean U2. Thanks for the help!! Mjh From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 13:17:47 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:12:38 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygawf-0001SB-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:12:37 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601150838.00696440@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:08:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: Looping in Classical Music In-Reply-To: <01BD8D3A.4334DF40@tor-usr20.075033.aracnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZrP9jC.A.Tx.Hnwc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5780 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:12:37 -0700 X-UIDL: a3996238c46dacae9b00933b435e4b17 I would guess that the future of looping, at least in the classical sphere, will amount to more technically precise variations on what has already happened, with an occasional flash of creative brilliance. Prerecorded loops will likely always be the "ambience" or "accompaniment" to a played-live piece. The area in which looping seems most prevalent is percussion music. I think this aspect is most likely to change in the near future. > Then again, I thought the disco revival would be a quickly passing phase. . . Are you suggesting that creative brilliance is on the way out with computer programs invited to control and simplify matters? Would you consider Metalheadz's "Platinum Breakz" or drum n bass a lack of such? While this might not be cosidered an altruists looping cd, they still even by, I guess, software, seem to produce something approaching creative brilliance for drum n bass dance music. Mjh From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 15:34:06 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:20:08 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygbzy-0006RM-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:20:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bd8da2$19264a00$a923dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: DJ loopage / Sampling Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:13:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ssg46.A.AbF.rlxc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5781 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:20:06 -0700 X-UIDL: d1f8aba02f2d4530e4f5a8dd1298e61b matthew hahn put forth: >I'm also considering bringing in sounds from the television, or live radio >broadcast, maybe I'll just run static, but I wonder if anyone has done >this? And I don't mean U2. I talked this over at length with both some "real" record execs who work with publishing rights, and a pair of friends of mine that hopefully I'll be bringing online soon, Oil Junkys. And it goes like this... If you want to run a recording of, say, Sam Donaldson, talking about Watergate in a1974 after Nixon's resigning, you have to get permission, or someone at some point will come up and demand you pay them. In the above case, ABC would be the ones you'd want to ask through. You might say, "Hey, 1974's more than 20 years ago!", but rebroadcast rights of TV broadcasts are still the property of the original carrier. Brian Eno and David Byrne actually gave us a good lesson in terms of what NOT to do, for once, in "My Life In The Bush With Ghosts," which included recordings of radio broadcasts, but only were described as "slippery politician on political call-in program", or something like that. As a result there is a second pressing of the LP and CD, which not only has the acknowledgements (indicating also that someone else had to get paid in addition to getting credit), but is missing a track "Quran", which includes an apparently forbidden recording of someone reading the Book-in-question. In SOME cases, I'm told, when it comes to using other peoples' recordings/broadcasts, what I call the "ashtray rule" applies. When I used to smoke cigs, I used to collect ashtrays, and early on, my father gave me some valuable advice, perhaps dimly wondering if I swiped them. Well, I was too paranoid to attempt such business, so his advice also enabled me to get more ashtrays... ASK the powers-that-be, either the waiter or the Maitre-d, how much their ashtrays are, because you'd like to take one home. They usually are gratified enough that you ask, that they give you the thing. Similarly, in the case of voice snippets from old broadcasts or film, sometimes individuals and not corporations own the rights, and, in the absence of lawyers-as-middlemen, such an agreement can suffice on paper. The only thing is, Don't just get radio broadcast rights for the snippets. Get PERFORMANCE rights too while you're at it, as it'll be a lot cheaper. What if you make money on the recording you make, but, now that your source knows it, has the right to ask for a percentage, or something, higher than what was negotiated before? It happens. So get 'em both at the outset, and you won't be possibly prevented from performing something that people want to hear. Regarding U2, remember whose idea was the basis for Zoo TV after all... Brian Eno. I just found it unfortunate and yet more incongruous for a band that, frankly, would have just been merely pretentious. And would have preferred that they never use it, since milllions of otherwise-unexposed people were suddenly thinking that Bono/U2 had created the idea on their own. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week, Phil Hartman)! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 15:34:09 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:30:27 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygc9y-0007Mj-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:30:26 -0700 From: Message-ID: <99a15168.35731bde@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:23:41 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: electric bird noise (live) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"Kgb35C.A.TYG.Mwxc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5782 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:30:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 1b0a7c0baed6809ba0c0ccbd5c849981 Hello all, I'm not sure how many of you live in or near our southeast region of the world (myrtle beach SC) but I thought I'd mention my band electric bird noise (cinematic loop and layered instrumental rock) will be in Asheville, NC this Saturday 6/6/98 at Vincent's ear. Show starts around 10:00pm.Sunday 6/7/98 we'll be performing with madador recording artist bardo pond in Columbia, SC at the new Brooklyn tavern. We'll go on around 10:00. We play all the time so if your in the area and interested in seeing are show contact me at ENAT21213@aol.com.We just may cross paths one day. bye bye, brian From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 15:34:11 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:03:19 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygcfk-00029n-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:03:16 -0700 Message-ID: <35731C32.E5671623@mcmail.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 22:25:06 +0100 From: Damian Abbott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJ loopage References: <3.0.1.32.19980601150007.00699f50@mail.utexas.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j_t4ZC.A.XeB.oOyc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5783 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:03:16 -0700 X-UIDL: 75a2a10652157f77733cb897f245fab2 > I'm also considering bringing in sounds from the television, or live radio > broadcast, maybe I'll just run static.... Shortwave rules!!!!! I got a 4 channel Radio Shack mixer in a closing down sale with an 8sec sampler on it - feed in two decks, a cd player or tape deck and a shortwave radio, make the sampler loop the best bits (those are easy to recognise; they are offensively noisy) and I'm a happy man. From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 15:56:43 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:53:54 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygdSi-0005z3-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:53:52 -0700 From: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:47:28 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DJ loopage / Sampling Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"hTAuC.A.NIF.C_yc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5784 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:53:52 -0700 X-UIDL: cd93d1b518eff8d92340d788cb4ce4d7 In a message dated 98-06-01 17:17:40 EDT, you write: << Brian Eno and David Byrne actually gave us a good lesson in terms of what NOT to do, for once, in "My Life In The Bush With Ghosts," which included recordings of radio broadcasts, but only were described as "slippery politician on political call-in program", or something like that. As a result there is a second pressing of the LP and CD, which not only has the acknowledgements (indicating also that someone else had to get paid in addition to getting credit), but is missing a track "Quran", which includes an apparently forbidden recording of someone reading the Book-in-question. >> Drag...that's the only tune on that record I liked Ken R From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 20:24:48 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:45:45 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygg90-0005C3-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:45:42 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199806020140.SAA06971@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Loopin' in SD To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Cc: pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu (Paolo Valladolid) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980601150007.00699f50@mail.utexas.edu> from "matthew hahn" at Jun 1, 98 03:00:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5yeqJD.A.uTE._f1c1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5786 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:45:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 15587084495e84e4e4e3d1ac4ecd36f8 Here in San Diego, we don't often get a chance to see live looping (compared to the California Bay Area, Seattle, or New York, anyway), so when Jim O'Rourke came to town, I took the opportunity to catch his show at the Casbah. The Casbah, btw, is yet another venue in San Diego worth investigating for scheduling a loop-oriented show (hint, hint Andre :)), even though it sort of has a reputation of being a punk/"alterna-rock" sort of place. It appeared in a video (a song by Lucy's Fur Coat) that got played on one of MTV's shows. Anyway, the lineup for that evening was: Creedle Electric Company Oval Jim O'Rourke Creedle - One of my old roommates' buddy plays guitar, occasionally sings, and writes for this band. I guess one could call it a punk band that sneaks in Crimson/Zappa-like odd-meters and dissonnance; and breaks out with sudden tempo changes and free-jazz freakouts for good measure. This band has been a fixture in the SD scene for some time now and has a nice local following. Electric Company - The first of a succession of one-man looping acts. I don't know if the abrupt transition from, comparatively speaking, more conventional rock band stuff to a more blatantly electronic direction confused anyone - especially those who came to the Casbah primarily to check out live rock bands. Actually, there were some confused faces as folks tried to figure out what the Electric Company man was doing and how. What I personally heard was definitely more experimental than the acts that followed; with different sounds and phrases flying in and out of hearing and being panned to different spots in the stereo field. The music was almost militant in its avoidance of melody and focus on rhythm (lots of cool drum and bass style beats, btw), though the beat did not stay constant. The tempo in fact shifted nearly as often as a new set of sounds was introduced. It was the first time I actually saw somebody play a mixer like a musical instrument - quite an experience for this converted guitarist. :) Oval - Basically a guy with a Powerbook and a hard drive who specialized in ambient sonic washes. My friend said it made her feel like she was floating in an ocean. :) Jim O'Rourke - He also used a Powerbook as a sound source but also had an analog synth module of some kind with lots of patch cords and an acoustic guitar fitted with a pickup. From time to time he popped in a fresh floppy, presumably to load in new sounds. Towards the end of the performance, he began to play his guitar. The guitar didn't have a MIDI pickup as far as I could tell yet whatever he played on it was clearly being repeated by the analog synth in a succession of loops. He concluded his performance with a "SimpleText" solo. For those of you who don't own Macintoshes, they come with a simple text editor that supports text-to-voice (I used to get a kick having the "Funeral voice" read an article on psychoacoustics to me). The most pleasant surprise of the evening was that many of those who came to see Creedle actually stayed and appeared to enjoy the looping shows, despite the one crack by a guy standing behind me who said "I wanna see what video games that guy is playing!". The act I enjoyed the most was Electric Company - I'd love to try my own hand at that kind of music someday. Cheers, Paolo From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 20:24:49 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:05:35 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yggSD-0006yy-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:05:33 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 1 Jun 1998 19:04:54 -0700 From: "Mark Camp" Subject: This looper list To: "loopers" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"GyGut.A.TAG.wy1c1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5787 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:05:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 7b78e641d2e5b74b989ee0a2a3038c6d Hello, I've been on this list for a bout 2 weeks not and I hate to admit it, but I have no idea what you guys are talking about most of the time. I subscribed thinking this was a list about looping techniques, which I guess it is, but it seems like most people are using more experimental ways of making loop based music. Me, I've got a sampler and use Pro Tools extensivly for drum&bass-ish type music, never used a reel to reel tape or some strange looping device that people seem to be speaking of on this list. Am I on the wrong list? Anyone else out there doin' what I'm doin'? just wondering... Have a happy day, -M From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 20:46:13 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:36:29 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yghsC-0006vN-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:36:28 -0700 Message-ID: <35736EE9.CF117A60@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 23:18:02 -0400 From: LORI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: remove me Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O2CtEB.A.VCG.aI3c1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5790 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:36:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 67d52b2442df89e6c032f2acef69fbc5 Please remove me. This list is way too big, with not enough info. looperanne@earthlink.net From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 20:24:58 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:25:16 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yghhL-0005qd-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:25:15 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:19:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"u3_QGD.A.uEF.Y-2c1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5789 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:25:15 -0700 X-UIDL: d506deed55eefbf13226d4429e2d6954 On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Patrick Smith wrote: > Hey Fellow Loopers, check this out....... > > Now Available from FNGP Records is the long awaited first CD release from > FingerPaint, Primary Colors: BLUE. Ths 72 minute release is the first of a > box set featuring FingerPaint's dark and dreamy aural interpretations of > Blue. FingerPaint continues to explore the edges of live looping techniques > and textural improvisations, producing a music that is cinematic in scope. > Let FingerPaint take your heart and mind on a journey. Indeed! I've had the fortune to have already snatched up a copy and I highly recommend it to all lovers of loopage. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 20:46:14 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:39:27 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yghv4-0007Fu-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:39:26 -0700 Message-ID: <35736F8D.59C12A40@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 23:20:46 -0400 From: LORI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TBFq0D.A.gQG.6K3c1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5791 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:39:26 -0700 X-UIDL: d5597139e6f1134d0a714b61c79c9a03 Kim Flint wrote: > >Yes, please remove me also... - thanks > > > >Peter > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Paul or Shelley > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Date: 16 May 1998 21:21 > >Subject: Remove from list! Please > > > > > >>Kim: > >> > >>I am overwhelmed with forwarded e-mail - please remove me from the list > >>serv > >>Thanks: Paul > >> > > Looks like its time for another episode of "irritated list owner's > unsubscribing diatribe." Enjoy. > > ************************************************* > > OK, I don't say this very often (or ever), but seems like this is a good > time, since I'm now completely sick of spending so much time helping people > with this. > > Subscribing and Unsubscribing to this mailing list, as with every other > mailing list on the entire Internet, is *AUTOMATED ON A SERVER*. That means > that there is a computer where you send the request, and it handles it > automatically. There are *NO HUMANS* involved in this process. If you post > a message like this to the list, there is no human (or at least no willing > human) who will then go and send the commands to the server for you. You > have to do it all by yourself! > > There is a page on the Looper's Delight website that explains how to do this: > > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html > > Some other things to note: > > - When emailing commands to the server, don't strike up a conversation. The > computer does not care what you have to say. Remember, there are NO HUMANS > involved. The computer will not understand your witty banter, and will send > you the automatically generated help file. > > - There is only one way to spell the word "subscribe" and only one way to > spell "unsubscribe." Never in my life could I have imagined how many ways > people could come up with to misspell these words. If the email has only > one word in it, is it really so hard to check that you've spelled it right? > The computer will not understand creative reinterpretations of the spelling > of these words and will send you the help file. > > - Turn your sig file off. The computer will not be impressed by your nifty > quotes and ascii art, and will send you the help file if you leave the sig > file on. > > - If you are using hotmail or one of the other free email services that > automatically attach sig file advertisements, you're screwed. You'll have > to mail me and ask for help, and wait until I have time to get around to > it. You get what you pay for. > > - Some newer email programs default to send email as HTML code. TURN THIS > OPTION OFF. Not only does it screw up the server, most people who do not > use these mail programs will be profoundly irritated by you. Just because > morons at Netscape and Microsoft thought this was a good idea does not mean > you should stoop to their level. > > - Don't send subscribe requests to the list address. There is a separate > address for this. Nobody actually cares if you are subscribing or > unsubscribing. > > - If you get an error from the server from your request mail, don't resend > the exact same thing to the server 600 times. Expecting different results > from the exact same actions is one definition of insanity. It's probably > also an indicator of pure, unadulterated stupidity. Try to be above that. > > - this is really not complicated. Just follow the directions, and you will > be fine! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is this guy angry cause people are jumping ship or what? From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 20:46:17 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:45:35 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygi0z-00009j-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:45:33 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980601203934.00997700@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 20:39:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please In-Reply-To: <35736F8D.59C12A40@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"DC4hJC.A.M7G.8Q3c1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5792 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:45:33 -0700 X-UIDL: a3a425aff1b287a38ddf007de7a6c055 At 11:20 PM 6/1/98 -0400, LORI wrote: > > Is this guy angry cause people are jumping ship or what? > No - just pissed off at people who can't figure out how to unsubscribe and end up posting crap msgs to the list asking to be removed from the list. Sound familiar? From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 01:46:50 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:31:04 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygij1-0003dc-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:31:03 -0700 From: Message-ID: <7717be5b.35737ef1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:26:23 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"iOii2B.A.YBD.U83c1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5794 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:31:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 9c9ff8792aceb1cd775ed8b4e4f07299 just walked home from seeing project 2 (now billed as a k c project).........more on this later............just read the last 17 posts on the list............don't know what to talk about first.........YIPES!!!!!!!!!! project 2.........observations: 1) im glad to see that there are others who do not use keys to play in............that seems to give one a lot of freedom 2) very little loop content.........some big string washes that looped for a bit.......most loopage done by belew on the drums 3) these 3 fellows had a ton-o-fun playing together, much smileing and laughing by all three 4) technology run amuck..............but please let me wallow :) 5) whatever gunn was playing, i want one........what an axe!!!! 6) tornadoes past through here yesterday.........i enjoyed these guys more regarding the last bunch of postings...........observations: A) im pretty brain-dead myself, but i think i could get off this list without bothering people B) the more postings the better.........ya gots to love the over-load ..................... forgive my ramblings.................................michael From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 01:46:51 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:15:47 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygkMM-0001ML-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:15:46 -0700 From: Message-ID: <15e92e1c.3573978e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:11:23 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Looping and Composing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"0xREPB.A.0_.ze5c1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5795 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:15:46 -0700 X-UIDL: afcdc8cc4c069ca3b4bd0b50689b7de3 Hey all, <> I've definitely got more ideas in my head than on tape (or paper) about this topic, but I'm going to share anyway. The most obvious thing to do, and I think the most tedious, is to make the looper play ostinati for you while you show off ("Buy the incredible JamMan! It plays rhythm while you SOLO FOR DAYS!!"). This happens in every genre, of course, but really, I think most everyone on this list is beyond that :-) I think playing something like "Piano Phase" by Reich with a looper is a good example of this kind of application. I was a little fascinated by Jon Grant's post about playing fugue with a looper. Jon, I get the looper/pitch shifter connection, but how do you play through the episodes and so forth? Then, of course, you can use it to slowly build static structures, out of noises, pitches, what have you. This is the basic ambient/soundscape application, with maybe something written on paper thrown in. This kind of thing is when the "undo" and "replace" functions come in handy, 'cause just when it gets boring, you can change things around a bit. I haven't heard enough of Paul Dresher's solo guitar stuff to say with any certainty that this is what he does, but he's on the list. Maybe he has something to say on the subject? Steve Mackey is another guy who does "classical" electric guitar with loopers, etc. What I'm interested in (for now) is the use of the looper as an interactive electronic device. One idea is, when playing from a score, to punch parts of the piece into the looper. Over time, you get different parts of the piece burbling around, reinforcing (or conflicting with) the rest of the piece. This is sort of the "live electronic tape" approach. You could have the performer trigger the punch ins, or have someone else control it, which makes things even more interesting. You can also use various effects on the looped portion, for sonic variety/chaos. You don't have to limit this to guitar music, of course. Any instrument can work, as can ensembles. Really, the only problem I see with these instruments for "serious" composition is the fact that they are repetition incarnate. For repetitive music applications, they're great, but for variety and developement, it's problematic. Even Minimalism does not live on literal repetition alone. As for who is doing this kind of thing, there's Paul Dresher (of course) and Steve Mackey (who I mentioned above), both of whom are guitarists, and I'm not sure who else. Brian Ferneyhough may be doing this kind of work, but would definitely fall into the third (tape-on-the-fly) catagory. Paolo Vallado is down at UCSD, isn't he? Can you speak to the Ferneyhough issue? Overall, I wouldn't say it was common, and considering the general conservative trends in contemporary music it probably won't be to common, at least in the near future. Of course, there will be people who are happy to try this stuff, as it does offer some intriguing possibilities. There are plenty of composers still doing electronic music. Anyway, there's my .02. By the way, can anyone UNSUDBSKRIBB me? :-) Drew Wheeler From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 01:46:53 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:46:47 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygkqN-0002pG-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:46:47 -0700 Message-ID: <19980602064251.29140.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.175.239.62] From: "chris lamb" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: This looper list Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 23:42:51 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"TbLQ_C.A._XC.L85c1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5796 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:46:47 -0700 X-UIDL: dff14e106d2ccf8f520e9fdfba483d9c >Hello, > >I've been on this list for a bout 2 weeks not and I hate to admit it, but = >I have no idea what you guys are talking about most of the time. I = >subscribed thinking this was a list about looping techniques, which I = >guess it is, but it seems like most people are using more experimental = >ways of making loop based music. Me, I've got a sampler and use Pro = >Tools extensivly for drum&bass-ish type music, never used a reel to reel = >tape or some strange looping device that people seem to be speaking of on = >this list. Am I on the wrong list? Anyone else out there doin' what = >I'm doin'? > >just wondering... > >Have a happy day, > >-M > y'know, I agree with you. I make music using looped drum beats, bass lines & FX and whatever. I use samples & synths and whatever. I kind of expected people to be talking about FX boxes or samples they have lifted or problems of timing or software they think is cool. I keep thinking maybe I should quit this list but then there are some interesting and knowledgable posts every so often. have a good day yerself chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 01:46:55 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:03:20 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygl6N-0003ic-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:03:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000601bd8e03$22b25300$8b8a8ed1@megafun-brain> From: "Patrick Robinson" To: Subject: Re: DJ loopage Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:47:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lpQ_MC.A.qND.YL6c1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5797 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:03:19 -0700 X-UIDL: ef9fb7d217b12a61d6dde936cdbaddf3 -----Original Message----- From: matthew hahn To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 1:00 PM Subject: DJ loopage >OK so I finally have some time and soon some disposable income, consumer >boy, and will be submitting some demo tapes to local dance clubs in Austin. > >I'm interested in bringing in some effects. Essentially I play cds, and >lps as my DJ mixer standardly has two cd channels and two lp channels. >If anyone has used a delay or other pedal/mechanism for this purpose, I >would like to know some results you acquired. >I'm also considering bringing in sounds from the television, or live radio >broadcast, maybe I'll just run static, but I wonder if anyone has done >this? And I don't mean U2. >Thanks for the help!! > >Mjh, I'm a dj ,and I have a studio that I spend almost every hour of my time in. I use an Mpc 2000 for live work aswell as in the studio.. I also have an efx box tied in to every line input, 4 total. I use aDenon 2000F for cd mixing and technics 1200 MK2's for turntables. ]I use Cubase for arranging then I load every thing in the Mpc for it's excellent timming. I'll take the Mpc to the club, so I can mix in loops and fire off one shot samples. I use loops that I programed myself or loops that I choped using ReCycle or Wave Sergeon. This gives me total flexability over my loops when mixing since most of the time I'll use something off the wall like a 160 Bpm Jungle loop at 125 or a 125 bpm break beat at 160; I do the same with hip hop wich can go as low as 80 Bpm. I like using a Chopping programe because it gives you a midi file for perfect play back. The Mpc is perfect for doing this because its' start time is instant, as fast or faster than my Denon. This way I can mix in a loop that fatens up the record that's playing and go scratch for a few bars,it's perfect for tricks. You can have a loop of some killer bongos or gongos or some snare rolls from a break beat and mix in on top of a house track that otherwise is pretty dull on the percussion end, but has a killer bass line or lead. My point is you can pump up a track with a loop when other wise you may not play the record at all. Say you want to add some bass booms to a couple of bars in the middle of a track boom boom the crowd goes mad because you have introduced a new ellement. You have to let go of long mixes when using loops because of set up time. A good 20 second mix on a break or punch is all you need from one song to the next. The efx boxes are for adding efx to a track ,like short delay to get a double beat effect or a flange even a massive reverb when a track is building up, this adds major heat to the floor. I use middi verbs, so I can change parameters with my controller. The thing about using loops, one shot sounds, and efx is it gives you the creater a unique sound all of your own that no one can duplicate. It only takes a little, less is more, but it can make the difference between ok or great. A straite beat mixer can get a little boring. You need a good fade and cue for drastic tempo and style change, a good break mix hear and there to add punch when comming from a less energetic track to a higher one, loops, one shot dub samples, some efx, a little creativity, and a killer light man, even if you have to train him. Dj MegaFun. > From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 10:14:48 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 05:56:25 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygqc5-0006dH-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 05:56:25 -0700 Message-ID: <3573C41D.426235A2@mcmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:21:34 +0100 From: Damian Abbott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: DJ loopage/shortwave addendum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FmdZs.A.m7F.5V_c1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5800 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 05:56:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 90aee0eb4e4c5bda3367330ebbdf3641 For a really classic loop experience try scanning the shortwave band for a numbers station. These are the stations that the various intelligence organisations use to stay in contact with their agents in the field. Most have a call sign that repeats constantly for up to an hour or so. This is then followed by the body of the message - a voice dictating a series of seemingly random numbers. These stations are often heard in morse as well. Forget copyright problems on these, 'cos you're not even meant to know they exist (the Czechs are the only country to admit publicly to their use). I've recorded some examples by accident when sampling off the shortwave, not knowing what they were, but Irdial discs released a double CD of examples (can't remember their URL offhand, but I'm sure you can find it - there's also a site dedicated to monitoring these stations) Damian '.....the inventory if the streets is inexhaustible' http://www.backspace.org/inventory From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 10:15:02 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:36 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygs87-0004i2-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:35 -0700 Message-ID: <3573C643.A40AAF2A@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:30:44 +0100 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please References: <2244EC26112@knoxy.agvic.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1BwAGB.A.G8D._vAd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5806 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 4d2b394f3a5fc94bcb4e4f695e369787 > >>>>> Is this guy angry cause people are jumping ship or what? <<<<< > > Duh! Maybe he's tired of dimwits who can't follow the most basic > instructions ( and even when they send an email containing these > instructions they can't seem to work out how to actually use them) > If it was anywhere near April 1st I could have let this one slide but > seriously, you must be joking! Why don't you get of your arse, read > the exact same message you sent to the list and do it yourself! > > Somebody UNSUDSCRIDE this person so we can increase our average IQ a > few points! Don't mess wit me an da homies on dth' Loopahs D-lite list! We bust yo ass up! But seriously folks, why is it they can find the instructions on how to sign up, but not sign off? tdb From ???@??? Mon Jun 01 20:24:45 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:09:21 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygfZm-0001td-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:09:18 -0700 From: "Tim Fitzsimons" Organization: Dept. of Agriculture (Vic). To: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:58:14 +0000 Subject: Re: Looping and Composing Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <221565B3513@knoxy.agvic.gov.au> Resent-Message-ID: <"b2TyUB.A.B5.o60c1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5785 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:09:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 89daf1aecd3a3e157fc515255eaa2c1e From: "Stephen P. Goodman" >>>>> .. Sometimes I start out with the base loop running on the Ol' Time Machine for days at a time, and mentally or physically work with possible melodies to go with it. One thing I've found quite interesting is that, when one goes into another room, while the loop's playing, it's possible to "hear" different songs entirely. On occasion inspiration for variations on the piece, or complete other songs altogether (in one case, a suite), have emerged from this process. <<<<<<<<<< I have also found this (other room mental composing) - I think its great! Its like if the loop is a good one it will be a fertile breeding ground for new ideas and depending on where you stand (literally) you can get whole different perceptions. A good loop from another room can sometimes sound like a completely new song with a whole new dynamic you wouldn't have heard just from listening. The human brain is marvelous the way it tends to fill in the gaps. Yay for large brained mammals! Tim From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 10:14:45 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 05:20:51 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0ygq3e-0004x9-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 05:20:50 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygq3e-0002vc-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 05:20:50 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygq3b-0004wm-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 05:20:47 -0700 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: RE: This looper list Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:13:50 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd8e1f$e6bfc5e0$04094382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZT0VLC.A.VaE.n0-c1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5798 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 05:20:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 5ad7c39b55c43842257851ebce162946 Hey Mark , from what you said I think you on the right list. Maybe you should try steering us in the directions you are interested in. Start a thread on your favourite subject and sit back and wait. Most of the time the topic dissolves in a couple of days , but you could hit the jackpot and actually get some nice stuff here. :-) Yours , Thomas From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 10:14:46 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 05:30:43 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygqDC-0005Ul-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 05:30:42 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD8E00.93335140@tor-usr20.075040.aracnet.net> From: Jon Grant To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looping in Classical Music Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD8E00.93441A20" Resent-Message-ID: <"IXTdQD.A.k4E.99-c1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5799 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 05:30:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 8a008fcbe84ded8fd4e18168242df00e Original message: Are you suggesting that creative brilliance is on the way out with computer programs invited to control and simplify matters? Would you consider Metalheadz's "Platinum Breakz" or drum n bass a lack of such? While this might not be considered an altruists looping cd, they still even by, I guess, software, seem to produce something approaching creative brilliance for drum n bass dance music. Mjh Reply: I was not attempting to make some lofty statement about the flourish or decline of creative brilliance. Technology (software, in this case) is a tool that creative people will, by their own nature, most likely use creatively (no different than the string orchestra as a tool). I consider computers to be potential instruments, the same as violins or guitars. Some people will make music and/or art from them, some will not. As far as your reference to Metalheadz, I can't comment, as I haven't heard their work. I was speaking more specifically about the Classical area of music, where the mastering of technique is a traditional concern and priority. Just as a beginning student spends seemingly endless, and often miserable, hour upon hour (I speak from experience) practicing his 4-voice counterpoint in the style of Bach, I imagine the modern composers who are exploring looping technology will first need to "cut their teeth" on the techniques before the largest creative output arrives. There are always exceptions, however. As Robert Fripp says, (sorry to any Fripp-heads, but I'm paraphrasing) "Technical proficiency through diligent practice must often be achieved to realize true creativity". Jon Grant Tian Music www.aracnet.net/~tianmus From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 10:14:53 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:00:18 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygrbt-0001wI-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:00:17 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980602084218.008b5a10@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:42:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Confusion over "Looping" Was: Re: This looper list In-Reply-To: <19980602064251.29140.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sAmgLC.A.2OB.HQAd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5801 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:00:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 633325b1018298e1373f89c90497d7a5 Kim, I have noticed a large number of people unsubscribing to this list because they feel that it lacks any 'Loop" content. I would say that the core members are very satisfied with the content of the list. It should be pointed out that in record production terminology "Loops" are strictly defined as drum beats lifted from records. (Now conveniently and legally available on CD-ROM). They used to be called "Drum Loops". Also, "Looping" is a film post production technique for replacing dialog. To quote John Cage: "If you don't think that what I do is music, call it something else". Perhaps there is a better name for what we do. -Chuck Zwicky From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 10:14:52 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:00:15 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygrbr-0001w6-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:00:15 -0700 Message-ID: <35740409.DC3F4D37@vm.temple.edu> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:54:17 -0400 From: Sean O'Donnell Reply-To: sodonne@vm.temple.edu Organization: Temple University Center for Research in Human Development and Education X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan v0.1 References: <221565B3513@knoxy.agvic.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EO6M-.A.aQB.OQAd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5802 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:00:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 5be3835b27d05f32b01ac1a5da570c65 I visited Bob Sellon's website documenting the upgrade ROM for the JamMan. It's at . I sent him an E-mail and hope to hear back from him soon. In the meantime, I'm wondering if anyone has gotten their hands on this upgrade. If so, any reactions? Does it provide any stereo features to the unit? I am really getting annoyed at the JamMan's lack of stereo processing. If this upgrade does not provide stereo, I will probably sell in favor of the new phrase samplers that are coming out. Sean From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 01:46:47 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:04:26 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygiJF-0001e4-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:04:25 -0700 From: "Tim Fitzsimons" Organization: Dept. of Agriculture (Vic). To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, LORI Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:56:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <2244EC26112@knoxy.agvic.gov.au> Resent-Message-ID: <"aL_csD.A.TGB.yi3c1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5793 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:04:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 03b8faf8a798f412eb7ce14e3b876854 > Looks like its time for another episode of "irritated list owner's > unsubscribing diatribe." Enjoy. > OK, I don't say this very often (or ever), but seems like this is a good > time, since I'm now completely sick of spending so much time helping people > with this. > > Subscribing and Unsubscribing to this mailing list, as with every other > mailing list on the entire Internet, is *AUTOMATED ON A SERVER*. That means > that there is a computer where you send the request, and it handles it > automatically. There are *NO HUMANS* involved in this process. If you post > a message like this to the list, there is no human (or at least no willing > human) who will then go and send the commands to the server for you. You > have to do it all by yourself! > - There is only one way to spell the word "subscribe" and only one way to > spell "unsubscribe." Never in my life could I have imagined how many ways > people could come up with to misspell these words. If the email has only > one word in it, is it really so hard to check that you've spelled it right? > - If you get an error from the server from your request mail, don't resend > the exact same thing to the server 600 times. Expecting different results > from the exact same actions is one definition of insanity. It's probably > also an indicator of pure, unadulterated stupidity. Try to be above that. > > - this is really not complicated. Just follow the directions, and you will > be fine! >>>>> Is this guy angry cause people are jumping ship or what? <<<<< Duh! Maybe he's tired of dimwits who can't follow the most basic instructions ( and even when they send an email containing these instructions they can't seem to work out how to actually use them) If it was anywhere near April 1st I could have let this one slide but seriously, you must be joking! Why don't you get of your arse, read the exact same message you sent to the list and do it yourself! Somebody UNSUDSCRIDE this person so we can increase our average IQ a few points! From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 10:14:54 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:09:47 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygrl3-0002i6-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:09:45 -0700 Message-ID: <3574067A.9E28C7C2@vm.temple.edu> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:04:42 -0400 From: Sean O'Donnell Reply-To: sodonne@vm.temple.edu Organization: Temple University Center for Research in Human Development and Education X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping and Composing References: <221565B3513@knoxy.agvic.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BUG6LD.A.gNC.-ZAd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5803 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:09:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 35101345e123731ae129d8866475224a Tim, I enjoyed this comment -- it reminded me that I have to do this sort of thing while composing. On a another note, I thought I'd let you know that my ASR is in the shop still and I am a bit behind in sending you stuff. I won't be able to make any disk copies 'til I get it back. Might be a couple of more weeks. Sean Tim Fitzsimons wrote: > > From: "Stephen P. Goodman" > > >>>>> .. Sometimes I start > out with > the base loop running on the Ol' Time Machine for days at a time, and > mentally or physically work with possible melodies to go with it. One > thing I've found quite interesting is that, when one goes into another > room, while the loop's playing, it's possible to "hear" different > songs entirely. On occasion inspiration for variations on the piece, > or complete other songs altogether (in one case, a suite), have > emerged from this process. <<<<<<<<<< > > I have also found this (other room mental composing) - I think its > great! Its like if the loop is a good one it will be a fertile > breeding ground for new ideas and depending on where you stand > (literally) you can get whole different perceptions. A good loop from > another room can sometimes sound like a completely new song with > a whole new dynamic you wouldn't have heard just from listening. The > human brain is marvelous the way it tends to fill in the gaps. > Yay for large brained mammals! > > Tim From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 10:14:57 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:20:46 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygrvh-0003YS-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:20:45 -0700 From: Message-ID: <6cab45aa.357408f4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:15:15 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: samples and loopage.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"Gik0IC.A.D_C.hkAd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5804 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:20:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 238224b8b1c3cf01dfd570eca2dc06f0 In a message dated 98-06-01 17:18:06 EDT, sgoodman@earthlight.net writes: << If you want to run a recording of, say, Sam Donaldson, talking about Watergate in a1974 after Nixon's resigning, you have to get permission, or someone at some point will come up and demand you pay them. >> Well, I have to throw in my two cents.... while I use a lot of "unprocessed" samples in my stuff, I try to make sure that anything that is recognizable is processed to the point where it's not actionable. For example, I might pull a bit synth loop from a trailer to an obscure film, but I am not going to take a James Brown bass and drum loop and just put a vocal over it! I firmly believe that you should grab whatever you want, but you should make it your own (through processing, re-arranging, or otherwise), so that if somehow it *does* get recognized, it's "oh, hey, isn't that from such-and- such? That's cool" rather than "hey, he lifted the entire chorus from such- and-such, and is now just singing over it". Go and listen to what Public Enemy's producers, The Bomb Squad, did with some extremely primitive gear (compared to what todays' equipment can do), and lots of determination, then compare it to most any "sample heavy" stuff you hear these days.... Sorry if this doesn't have enough "loop" content, Kim. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 10:14:58 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:27:33 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygs2F-000474-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:27:31 -0700 From: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:21:21 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DJ loopage/shortwave addendum Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"FMSezD.A.tbD.EqAd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5805 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:27:31 -0700 X-UIDL: ff665d77a62c990167ed42a51503401e In a message dated 98-06-02 08:55:24 EDT, you write: << For a really classic loop experience try scanning the shortwave band for a numbers station. These are the stations that the various intelligence organisations use to stay in contact with their agents in the field.Irdial discs released a double CD of examples (can't remember their URL offhand, but I'm sure you can find it - there's also a site dedicated to monitoring these stations) >> just a quick note - there is a four cd set called the Conet Project made up of nothing but numbers-stations recordings - it's available from Aquarius Records in San Fran (they are amazing with their mail-order!!) - check them out at http://aquarius.bianca.com./ Or search "shortwave numbers" or "Conet" on the web and find more info. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 10:15:01 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:20 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygs7r-0004gy-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:19 -0700 X-From_:ds115@ix.netcom.com Tue Jun 02 07:33:16 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for loopers-delight@slip.net id 0ygs7n-0004gL-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:15 -0700 Received: from [206.214.98.1] (helo=dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com id 0ygs7m-0003m6-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:14 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA21677 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:32:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from chl-nj3-04.ix.netcom.com(205.184.11.100) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021651; Tue Jun 2 09:32:15 1998 Received: by chl-nj3-04.ix.netcom.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD8E11.93BBF980@chl-nj3-04.ix.netcom.com>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:31:18 -0400 Message-ID: <01BD8E11.93BBF980@chl-nj3-04.ix.netcom.com> From: John Celano To: "Loopers Delight (E-mail)" Old-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:31:01 -0400 Old-Return-Receipt-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:19 -0700 X-UIDL: bbf580ce18031aeb21c50371e6250706 I was curious if there is any way to modify a Fostex eight track to create tape loops. Just a thought for a machine that's collecting dust. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 10:15:03 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:16:06 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygsnD-0007Mc-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:16:03 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'loopers delight'" Subject: FW: JamMan v0.1 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:11:23 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"m7Op4B.A.XhG.KYBd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5807 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:16:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 3d920a9d419eb2466b9e138ea367fe0d > Bob's site mentions that the software is with Beta testers. > > Anyone on this list? or does non-disclosure apply? > > ---------- > From: Sean O'Donnell > Reply To: sodonne@vm.temple.edu > Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 1998 8:57 AM > To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > Subject: JamMan v0.1 > > I visited Bob Sellon's website documenting the upgrade ROM for the > JamMan. It's at . > I > sent him an E-mail and hope to hear back from him soon. In the > meantime, > I'm wondering if anyone has gotten their hands on this upgrade. If so, > any reactions? Does it provide any stereo features to the unit? I am > really getting annoyed at the JamMan's lack of stereo processing. If > this upgrade does not provide stereo, I will probably sell in favor of > the new phrase samplers that are coming out. > > Sean > > From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 10:15:11 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:48:50 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yguF0-0006Xy-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:48:50 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602114337.0068fe48@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:43:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: DJ loopage, Megafun! In-Reply-To: <000601bd8e03$22b25300$8b8a8ed1@megafun-brain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RzfWB.A.bkF.BuCd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5808 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:48:50 -0700 X-UIDL: f0bb58673c35253cb8658e64656675bd I use aDenon 2000F for cd mixing and >technics 1200 MK2's for turntables. !How do you know you have the timing down when you bring the sample into the live mix, do you fadeout the mix and then send in the I'm gonna rock the floor loop or sample? Or do you program time as you go? !I presume live you are turntables? Pitchsifting for cds is affordable but most seem to not respect it. I work with two cd players and an ancient though bitchass sony record player. !It also seems to me that not enough people bring in these samples, aka Joker USA came through recently, and all I saw them do was look down on the tables at the Red Room. Although their drum n bass was pretty good, they didn't really move me much more than improving my dancing. !What city do you mix in? My point is you can pump up a >track with a loop when other wise you may not play >the record at all. Say you want to add some bass booms to a couple of bars >in the middle of a track boom boom the crowd goes mad because you have >introduced a new ellement. !Totally, I'm not sure if Diesel Boy did this when he came through town, but I was amazed at all the stuff he was bringing in. I was actually too busy dancing to check out his gear. His lps/cds unfortunately, off his own stuff, unless I'm mistaken from the single one I have are not very good. !THis same could be said for more strict interpretations of looping, new elements or spice is evolution, movement. You have >to let go of long mixes when using loops because of set up time. >A good 20 second mix on a break or punch is all you need from one song to >the next. !So it sounds like you create a loop for a particular song? The efx boxes are for adding efx to a track ,like >short delay to get a double beat effect or a flange even a massive >reverb when a track is building up, this adds major heat to the floor. I >use middi verbs, so I can change parameters with my controller. !What does this gizmo look like, is this in the MPC 2000, no se, aka smallfry to the supersize... I probably missed the name of the one you use, is it rackmount or on the table? Yeah lightmen tend to suck/ AKA be a stand in for one of the people that are trying to unsubscribe. Har har I agree with all that you are saying, THANKS!! I've been talking about these very same issues with others and it's great to know what you are doing! It's amusing these days that everyone and their grandmotha wantz to be a DJ. Hopefully they will take some heed after grinding their teeth and wondering somewhere in the back of there mind why Chemical Brothers sounds excessively inadequate, but maybe with some heavy tweaking... Again thanks Mjh From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 10:15:15 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:01:08 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yguQo-00009I-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:01:02 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yguQm-0005EZ-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:01:00 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yguQg-00008G-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:00:54 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980602165111.006cee24@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 18:51:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: This looper list Resent-Message-ID: <"U9zfoC.A.ScG.72Cd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5810 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:00:54 -0700 X-UIDL: e5c189a57acf6371703bae90224b76bd At 23.42 01/06/98 PDT, you wrote: > > >>Hello, >> >>I've been on this list for a bout 2 weeks not and I hate to admit it, >but = >>I have no idea what you guys are talking about most of the time. I = >>subscribed thinking this was a list about looping techniques, which I = >>guess it is, but it seems like most people are using more experimental >= >>ways of making loop based music. Me, I've got a sampler and use Pro >= >>Tools extensivly for drum&bass-ish type music, never used a reel to >reel = >>tape or some strange looping device that people seem to be speaking of >on = >>this list. Am I on the wrong list? Anyone else out there doin' what >= >>I'm doin'? >> >>just wondering... >> >>Have a happy day, >> >>-M >> >y'know, I agree with you. I make music using looped drum beats, bass >lines & FX and whatever. I use samples & synths and whatever. I kind of >expected people to be talking about FX boxes or samples they have lifted >or problems of timing or software they think is cool. I keep thinking >maybe I should quit this list but then there are some interesting and >knowledgable posts every so often. > >have a good day yerself > >chris > HI guys I think here you can find both worlds covered. I mean, we talk about live looping with dedicated devices (jamman, echoplex, etc.) done by "traditional" musicians like guitarists, bassists, keyboardists, etc. based on the work of people like Fripp, Torn, Reich, Riley, etc BUT there're people (me included) that edit and program their drum sequences, jungle grooves or electronic patterns like a Dj would do. We often talk about sampler, software (see the never ending Sonic FOundry Acid topic), FX box and GEAR (maybe too much??). I think this is the interesting aspect of LD: I'd like to go beyond. What about a collaboration on the same project by 2 or more musicians from every side of looping? Why a looping DJ can't provide rhytmhic foundamentals to a "space" ambient loop for a "frippy" guitarist? Some big beat over complex overdubbed parts? Or techno sampling abbined to reel to reel looping? ciao leo PS no offense intended for the purists, both areas. :) From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 10:15:13 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:00:08 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yguPs-00002F-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:00:04 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980602165113.006c50c8@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 18:51:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: DJ loopage Resent-Message-ID: <"R6se9D.A._bG.52Cd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5809 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:00:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 6bd9eee7144884cc7d233158034e157e >A good 20 second mix on a break or punch is all you need from one song to >the next. The efx boxes are for adding efx to a track ,like >short delay to get a double beat effect or a flange even a massive >reverb when a track is building up, this adds major heat to the floor. I >use middi verbs, so I can change parameters with my controller. The thing >about using loops, one shot sounds, and efx >is it gives you the creater a unique sound all of your own that no >one can duplicate. It only takes a little, less is more, but it can make >the difference between ok or great. A straite beat mixer can get a little >boring. You need a good fade and cue for drastic tempo and style change, a >good break mix hear and there to add punch when comming from a less >energetic track to a higher one, >loops, one shot dub samples, some efx, a little creativity, and a killer >light man, even if you have to train him. > Dj MegaFun. >> > > > WOW! I'm really impressed! It sounds fantastic! This is the variety I like here!! I'd like to know more about your approach. Do you use the sampler for playing over the records only, or you play your sequences too? How much memory the MPC 2000 has? It has a sequnecer inside too? thanks ciao leo From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 11:23:24 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:20:39 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygujm-00020G-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:20:38 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980602171329.00717d08@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 19:13:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: FW: JamMan v0.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"yOUyJ.A.MRB.vLDd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5811 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:20:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 7d8054bb295af93210099b5677592f47 At 10.11 02/06/98 -0500, you wrote: > >> Bob's site mentions that the software is with Beta testers. >> >> Anyone on this list? or does non-disclosure apply? >> >> ---------- >> From: Sean O'Donnell >> Reply To: sodonne@vm.temple.edu >> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 1998 8:57 AM >> To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >> Subject: JamMan v0.1 >> >> I visited Bob Sellon's website documenting the upgrade ROM for the >> JamMan. It's at . >> I >> sent him an E-mail and hope to hear back from him soon. In the >> meantime, >> I'm wondering if anyone has gotten their hands on this upgrade. If so, >> any reactions? Does it provide any stereo features to the unit? I am >> really getting annoyed at the JamMan's lack of stereo processing. If >> this upgrade does not provide stereo, I will probably sell in favor of >> the new phrase samplers that are coming out. >> >> Sean >> >> > > I asked Bob to test the new rom. He said OK but (I think) when he realized that I live in Italy, he let the thing fall down. Probably for the distance. Sadly, I had no more e-mails from Bob. ciao leo From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 11:23:26 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:57:43 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygvJd-0005DV-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:57:41 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: Confusion over "Looping" Was: Re: This looper list Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:39:13 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd8e4d$5b527b00$LocalHost@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"UjXTMB.A.QPE.euDd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5812 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:57:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 624c86943e02eca5e46e9a85c52db6bf I am very happy with what i see on this list. But apparently those who keep leaving and are not smart enough to find their way out are the ones who most likely aren't doing anything interesting or innovative to begin with. I'd much rather see those of us speaking about how we can bring our music and our processors to their limit of usefulness. By the way...anyone who want's to see some looping, check out ProjeKct Two when they come to town. It was a blast for me. Jeff Collins -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Zwicky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 9:57 AM Subject: Confusion over "Looping" Was: Re: This looper list >Kim, >I have noticed a large number of people unsubscribing to this list because >they feel that it lacks any 'Loop" content. I would say that the core >members are very satisfied with the content of the list. It should be >pointed out that in record production terminology "Loops" are strictly >defined as drum beats lifted from records. (Now conveniently and legally >available on CD-ROM). They used to be called "Drum Loops". Also, "Looping" >is a film post production technique for replacing dialog. > >To quote John Cage: "If you don't think that what I do is music, call it >something else". > >Perhaps there is a better name for what we do. > >-Chuck Zwicky > > > From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 11:23:29 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:15:19 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygvag-0006qV-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:15:18 -0700 Message-ID: <19980602180852.849.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJ loopage/shortwave addendum Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:08:52 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"Kv-ak.A.y1F.V_Dd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5813 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:15:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 95a10730b89bb17f03f3bc63d3e92ee2 Damian- Are numbers stations still running? Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:28:13 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:07:51 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygyHc-0004Ff-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:07:48 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199806022059.NAA11364@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: DJ loopage, Megafun! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:59:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602114337.0068fe48@mail.utexas.edu> from "matthew hahn" at Jun 2, 98 11:43:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"W7UD-B.A.WRD.neGd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5814 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:07:48 -0700 X-UIDL: f93033b8b15ae68c5172bfd39ec8f8d1 > It's amusing these days that everyone and their grandmotha wantz to be a > DJ. Hopefully they will take some heed after grinding their teeth and :) Well, I'm not necessarily interested in spinning vinyl, per se, but I'm interested in exploring sound like that Electric Company guy I posted about because: 1. It looks like something fun to do 2. It seems like a less finger-intensive way of making music than playing my bass or Chapman Stick. For me, this is a real issue because my fingers often get sore from typing and moving a computer mouse all day - to the extent that I cannot practice more than 10 minutes at a time on either of my stringed instruments. Cheers, Paolo From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:28:22 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:44:31 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygyqz-0007Qh-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:44:21 -0700 From: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:35:03 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: This looper list Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"1zPS5C.A.J-F.tAHd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5816 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:44:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 48a846b21f6c9a6e252a4f61790f7014 In a message dated 98-06-01 22:03:31 EDT, you write: << Am I on the wrong list? Anyone else out there doin' what I'm doin'? >> Nah, you're on the right list. The real-time looping gang is just way more vocal (I guess) than the more "studio" faction. Even though I don't do much looping in my guitar playing, and I don't have a Jam Man or Echoplex or Boomerang, I still find some informative and enjoyable posts.... - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:28:25 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:50:25 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygywj-0000N8-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:50:17 -0700 From: Message-ID: <853555d9.357470ec@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:38:51 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DJ loopage, Megafun! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"6JVcKD.A.7WG.TEHd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5817 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:50:17 -0700 X-UIDL: f24de0bb1f705b1aa568d116743b91f0 In a message dated 98-06-02 12:47:05 EDT, you write: << How do you know you have the timing down when you bring the sample into the live mix, do you fadeout the mix and then send in the I'm gonna rock the floor loop or sample? >> Wouldn't you just monitor it through the monitor section on the mixer, before bringing up the main level? That's how I work loops on my (admittedly not good) Gemini. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:28:21 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:44:24 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygyqx-0007QS-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:44:19 -0700 Message-ID: <357470C4.54CF@fredmarshall.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:40:02 -0700 From: fred@fredmarshall.com Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJ loopage, Megafun! References: <199806022059.NAA11364@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XTrvnC.A.Z8F.hAHd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5815 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:44:19 -0700 X-UIDL: d36573e6359c3c8249c5d5e5cab9a878 Paolo Valladolid wrote: - It seems like a less finger-intensive way of making music than playing my bass or Chapman Stick. For me, this is a real issue because my fingers often get sore from typing and moving a computer mouse all day - to the extent that I cannot practice more than 10 minutes at a time on either of my stringed instruments. - OUCH ! - is this a good or necessary trade-off ? - sounds like a life sentence ! ! ! - perhaps try playing the computer gig like it was music - ie. 45 min. on and 15 min. off - - or maybe a foot-mouse ? - mmmmm From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:28:26 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:52:43 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygyz1-0000eR-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:52:39 -0700 From: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:40:28 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DJ loopage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"rPCGpC.A.1oG.aGHd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5818 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:52:39 -0700 X-UIDL: a84b390abaf3617504e2a73ad36ab241 In a message dated 98-06-02 12:57:23 EDT, you write: << How much memory the MPC 2000 has? It has a sequnecer inside too? >> MPC 2000 comes with 2 Mb standard, upgradable (cheap!!!) to 32 Mb. It's got a 16 track, 100,000 note sequencer onboard as well. And it's a breeze to use!! - Bill *lovin' my MPC* Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:28:39 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:13:09 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh0Eo-00009q-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:13:02 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: electric company music Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:00:25 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd8e7a$3a8cc420$5b1bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"GUOoBD.A.swG.mVId1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5822 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:13:02 -0700 X-UIDL: b00dfee3008cd2459c0ddc58743aa749 Paolo, His name is Brad Laner and he's a feedback freak. The way he speaks about playing is somewhat like what i do but a little more chaotic and more like Cage and O'Rourke. Prepared guitar. It's a beautiful thing. If you wanna hear some EXTREME music...check out Merzbow or Masonna or Aube. You can hear clips at the Alien8 site. Happy experimenting. Jeff Collins PS. If you wanna hear my stuff. A 90 minute full cassette of my stuff is $5.00 Let me know -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Valladolid To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 5:04 PM Subject: Re: DJ loopage, Megafun! >Well, I'm not necessarily interested in spinning vinyl, per se, but I'm >interested in exploring sound like that Electric Company guy I posted about >because: > >1. It looks like something fun to do > >2. It seems like a less finger-intensive way of making music than playing >my bass or Chapman Stick. For me, this is a real issue because my fingers >often get sore from typing and moving a computer mouse all day - to the >extent that I cannot practice more than 10 minutes at a time on either of >my stringed instruments. > >Cheers, >Paolo From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:28:41 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:14:09 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh0Fr-0000Hx-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:14:07 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: This looper list Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:02:20 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd8e7a$7ed6c2c0$5b1bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"WANeiD.A._7G.RXId1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5823 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:14:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 1baa77ca6e14736b2a0c32091f5c7f4e I don't really use a looper either except this little 1.5sec delay which i sometimes use as a backdrop. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Crossedout@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 5:38 PM Subject: Re: This looper list >In a message dated 98-06-01 22:03:31 EDT, you write: > ><< Am I on the wrong list? Anyone else out there doin' what I'm doin'? > >> >Nah, you're on the right list. The real-time looping gang is just way more >vocal (I guess) than the more "studio" faction. Even though I don't do much >looping in my guitar playing, and I don't have a Jam Man or Echoplex or >Boomerang, I still find some informative and enjoyable posts.... > >- Bill >Crossedout@aol.com > > From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:28:28 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:05:27 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygzBN-0001zI-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:05:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bd8e80$d38356c0$868a8ed1@megafun-brain> From: "Patrick Robinson" To: Subject: Re: DJ loopage, Megafun! Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:47:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"1WmNzC.A.mSB.AXHd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5819 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:05:25 -0700 X-UIDL: ad74c15818b2767364a6afc49ccd7ad1 -----Original Message----- From: matthew hahn To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 9:45 AM Subject: Re: DJ loopage, Megafun! > I use aDenon 2000F for cd mixing and >>technics 1200 MK2's for turntables. > >!How do you know you have the timing down when you bring the sample into >the live mix >First off the Dennon 2000F, not the Mk2 for some reason the newer model's tracking is not is good as the old one ,is the bomb for cd mixing. Mixing a cd is the same as mixing records except you cue by pushing the start button and not rocking the record back and forth. Tempo handles a little diferent, believe it or not the response time is faster on the Technics. That leads us to mixing in a loop. With the Mpc the start time is fast enough, it's just as fast or faster than the Denon. I've been mixing for 18 years, so I can pretty much tell you how fast a track is going. you set the tempo of the loop as close as you can get it then when you cue up you can use the tempo sliders on your cd players or turntables if your close enough the crowd will never hear it>!I presume live you are turntables? Pitchsifting for cds is affordable but >most seem to not respect it. Who cares what other people think your the one in charge. Under ground music I play vinyl and for commercail I play cd's. I work with two cd players and an ancient >though bitchass sony record player. > >!It also seems to me that not enough people bring in these samples, aka >Joker USA came through recently, and all I saw them do was look down on the >tables at the Red Room. Although their drum n bass was pretty good, they >didn't really move me much more than improving my dancing. > >!What city do you mix in? I live and play in Louisiana where my family has been in the night club business for 25 years. > > >My point is you can pump up a >>track with a loop when other wise you may not play >>the record at all. Say you want to add some bass booms to a couple of bars >>in the middle of a track boom boom the crowd goes mad because you have >>introduced a new ellement. > >!Totally, I'm not sure if Diesel Boy did this when he came through town, >but I was amazed at all the stuff he was bringing in. I was actually too >busy dancing to check out his gear. His lps/cds unfortunately, off his >own stuff, unless I'm mistaken from the single one I have are not very good. > >!THis same could be said for more strict interpretations of looping, new >elements or spice is evolution, movement. > > You have >>to let go of long mixes when using loops because of set up time. >>A good 20 second mix on a break or punch is all you need from one song to >>the next. > >!So it sounds like you create a loop for a particular song? You have to do your home work. It takes time to mix in loops, so you have less time for mixing song to song. > > The efx boxes are for adding efx to a track ,like >>short delay to get a double beat effect or a flange even a massive >>reverb when a track is building up, this adds major heat to the floor. I >>use middi verbs, so I can change parameters with my controller. > >!What does this gizmo look like, is this in the MPC 2000, no se, aka >smallfry to the supersize... I probably missed the name of the one you use, >is it rackmount or on the table? I use the ALESIS Middi verb- 4 of them, and the sample verb inside the MPC. Midi verbs are rack modules. They have midi, so you can change parameters live from a controller. > >Yeah lightmen tend to suck/ AKA be a stand in for one of the people that >are trying to unsubscribe. Har har > >I agree with all that you are saying, THANKS!! I've been talking about >these very same issues with others and it's great to know what you are doing! > >It's amusing these days that everyone and their grandmotha wantz to be a >DJ. Hopefully they will take some heed after grinding their teeth and >wondering somewhere in the back of there mind why Chemical Brothers sounds >excessively inadequate, but maybe with some heavy tweaking... > You can run your sampler through an analoug filter like the D-pole if that's your thing. >Again thanks >Mjh > From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:28:32 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:19:34 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygzP0-0003KF-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:19:30 -0700 Message-ID: <002901bd8e82$e51e41e0$868a8ed1@megafun-brain> From: "Patrick Robinson" To: Subject: Re: DJ loopage Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:02:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"TXuvVB.A.bnC.2kHd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5820 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:19:30 -0700 X-UIDL: a7db5948a5c613074f14c8066e305146 -----Original Message----- From: Leonardo Cavallo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 9:54 AM Subject: Re: DJ loopage > >>A good 20 second mix on a break or punch is all you need from one song to >>the next. The efx boxes are for adding efx to a track ,like >>short delay to get a double beat effect or a flange even a massive >>reverb when a track is building up, this adds major heat to the floor. I >>use middi verbs, so I can change parameters with my controller. The thing >>about using loops, one shot sounds, and efx >>is it gives you the creater a unique sound all of your own that no >>one can duplicate. It only takes a little, less is more, but it can make >>the difference between ok or great. A straite beat mixer can get a little >>boring. You need a good fade and cue for drastic tempo and style change, a >>good break mix hear and there to add punch when comming from a less >>energetic track to a higher one, >>loops, one shot dub samples, some efx, a little creativity, and a killer >>light man, even if you have to train him. >> Dj MegaFun. >>> >> >> >> > >WOW! > >I'm really impressed! It sounds fantastic! >This is the variety I like here!! > >I'd like to know more about your approach. > >Do you use the sampler for playing over the records only, or you play your >sequences too? Yes I use original stuff and I use chops from other peoples stuff. I also fly in patches I've made from my synths. >How much memory the MPC 2000 has? 32 megs of ram >It has a sequnecer inside too? 100,000 note sequencer I got the thing for using in the studio then realized it was a perfect dj tool as well. > >thanks > >ciao >leo > From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:28:48 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:23:09 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh1Kf-0005yS-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:23:09 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199806030018.RAA12567@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Looping and Composing To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:18:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <15e92e1c.3573978e@aol.com> from "TritoneDW@aol.com" at Jun 2, 98 02:11:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KUozp.A.kMF.XZJd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5824 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:23:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 3153aa7b2fa304e4104cec5c22b3e92b > definitely fall into the third (tape-on-the-fly) catagory. Paolo Vallado is > down at UCSD, isn't he? Can you speak to the Ferneyhough issue? Overall, I Sorry, I can't. I haven't kept in touch with what the UCSD folks are doing. Last I heard it was George Lewis and Miller Puckette who were the faculty guys who were into interactive electronic music. At that time, the rest of the faculty that was involved in electronics was more into pure composition ( you work out all your ideas on the computer then commit it to tape for a tape performance or execute your composition as a non-interactive computer program. Either way the end result is a machine - being the computer or tape player - outputing your music as "set in stone" by you. ) More and more graduate students started following the path of Miller and Lewis, though. I recall an interactive sculpture that rung its chimes in certain ways depending on what you fed it's microphone. Paolo From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:28:35 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:44:08 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygzmp-0005PA-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:44:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01bd8e86$4a044e80$878a8ed1@megafun-brain> From: "Patrick Robinson" To: Subject: Re: DJ loopage, Megafun! Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:26:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"EtVm6.A.mjE.n7Hd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5821 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:44:07 -0700 X-UIDL: f47362a5b782eeb6f6a5ab847018a89a -----Original Message----- From: Crossedout@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 2:42 PM Subject: Re: DJ loopage, Megafun! >In a message dated 98-06-02 12:47:05 EDT, you write: > ><< How do you know you have the timing down when you bring the sample into > the live mix, do you fadeout the mix and then send in the I'm gonna rock > the floor loop or sample? >> > >Wouldn't you just monitor it through the monitor section on the mixer, before >bringing up the main level? That's how I work loops on my (admittedly not >good) Gemini. ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!! > >- Bill >Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:28:49 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:36:27 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh1XW-00077s-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:36:26 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199806030032.RAA12654@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Looping and Composing To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:32:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199806030018.RAA12567@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> from "Paolo Valladolid" at Jun 2, 98 05:18:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eTcPF.A.bRG.CmJd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5825 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:36:26 -0700 X-UIDL: dac2fe429c138d2cfc4b158fd744af9a Oh, I forgot to mention another UCSD faculty member in my reply to the inquiry about UCSD. His name is John Stephens, who occasionally teaches the "Gods of Rock Guitar" class. He has an excellent CD of in-your-face, noisy guitar compositions relying heavily on feedback, extended techniques, and looping called _Barrage_. I may have posted a review here a while back but I don't remember. Paolo From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:28:52 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:07:53 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh21v-0001f3-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:07:51 -0700 Message-ID: <3574A0BF.9EADC8D0@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 21:02:55 -0400 From: Jason Secord X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: This looper list is wacked out References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vphiJD.A.XHB.3CKd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5826 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:07:51 -0700 X-UIDL: baf48b912c689a84ee4d6aa9a97b7c46 sir, essentially you are doing what we're doing, and we're doing what you're doing as well... the difference lies within the "type" of "sampler"... you use a dedicated sampler rthat probably has all types of memory and is poly-phonic (multitimbral)... most of the people on this list are using rackmountable gear produced and marketed as looping equipment... having eight to one hundred and ninety eight seconds, dependant upon the brand.... I know what you mean about the list, somepeople get psycho on this list for very little reason, so much so that the email burden ain't worth it... email w/ questions/comments if ya like... take care Mark Camp wrote: > > Hello, > > I've been on this list for a bout 2 weeks not and I hate to admit it, but I have no idea what you guys are talking about most of the time. I subscribed thinking this was a list about looping techniques, which I guess it is, but it seems like most people are using more experimental ways of making loop based music. Me, I've got a sampler and use Pro Tools extensivly for drum&bass-ish type music, never used a reel to reel tape or some strange looping device that people seem to be speaking of on this list. Am I on the wrong list? Anyone else out there doin' what I'm doin'? > > just wondering... > > Have a happy day, > > -M From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:28:55 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:12:35 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh26U-00029g-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:12:34 -0700 Message-ID: <3574A1AD.71B082AF@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 21:06:53 -0400 From: Jason Secord X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: This looper References: <19980602064251.29140.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k2O2z.A.WbB.XGKd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5827 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:12:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 21a7cbd7ce5958563688bb7c010a06b6 right on ... where are all the answers located, gimme that list..;0) alt.answers.com chris lamb wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >I've been on this list for a bout 2 weeks not and I hate to admit it, > but = > >I have no idea what you guys are talking about most of the time. I = > >subscribed thinking this was a list about looping techniques, which I = > >guess it is, but it seems like most people are using more experimental > = > >ways of making loop based music. Me, I've got a sampler and use Pro > = > >Tools extensivly for drum&bass-ish type music, never used a reel to > reel = > >tape or some strange looping device that people seem to be speaking of > on = > >this list. Am I on the wrong list? Anyone else out there doin' what > = > >I'm doin'? > > > >just wondering... > > > >Have a happy day, > > > >-M > > > y'know, I agree with you. I make music using looped drum beats, bass > lines & FX and whatever. I use samples & synths and whatever. I kind of > expected people to be talking about FX boxes or samples they have lifted > or problems of timing or software they think is cool. I keep thinking > maybe I should quit this list but then there are some interesting and > knowledgable posts every so often. > > have a good day yerself > > chris > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:28:56 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:18:03 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh2Bl-0002m9-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:18:01 -0700 Message-ID: <3574A32A.5B57F428@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 21:13:14 -0400 From: Jason Secord X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: (other room mental composing) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fRy-mB.A.iDC.TMKd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5828 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:18:01 -0700 X-UIDL: fd79c4d900d00c271b7d18cfe10ce674 (other room mental composing) happens everyday... and its my favorite thing about loopers, they let you walk away and reexamine your thoughts like an out of body experience... loop on From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:28:59 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:27:18 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh2Kj-0003ce-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:27:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: rodan.syr.edu: msottila owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:21:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Sottilaro X-Sender: msottila@rodan.syr.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Interactive looping In-Reply-To: <199806030018.RAA12567@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"3ENkfB.A.f9C.wUKd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5829 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:27:17 -0700 X-UIDL: df6e9ca4dcf919f9345bb5944456f6a9 Hey, To round out my artistic "pallet" I've been working with Macromedia's Director on a Macintosh. It's got some pretty decent audio capabilities, and although it's not documented in the manual (why, who knows?) it has the ability to loop 8 mono channels of audio as well as show animations or QuickTime movies at the same time. If one does not mind learning it's scripting language, you can do some pretty kooky things with it. There is also ways one can configure it to accept MIDI commands, although I haven't gone there yet. I've also heard that people have wrote "xtras" (plug in software) that can allow you to record audio with the program. I haven't experimented with that either, but the possibilites sound interesting. My JamMan is shuddering. Mark From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:29:05 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:23:01 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh48i-0003GX-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:23:00 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: DJ loopage/shortwave addendum Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:17:25 -0700 Message-ID: <002301bd8e9e$216cd740$941a8ed1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3573C41D.426235A2@mcmail.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"85aGAB.A.scC.zAMd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5830 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:23:00 -0700 X-UIDL: c929b8873619945fde68dbad9eb725ca I totally dig this. I used to have a shortwave radio when I was a kid and could listen for hours to the noises. I also heard those people (in the 60s) slowly pronouncing these weird monosyllables for long periods of time. I'll look for those URLs. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Damian Abbott [mailto:damian.abbott@mcmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 2:22 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: DJ loopage/shortwave addendum For a really classic loop experience try scanning the shortwave band for a numbers station. These are the stations that the various intelligence organisations use to stay in contact with their agents in the field. Most have a call sign that repeats constantly for up to an hour or so. This is then followed by the body of the message - a voice dictating a series of seemingly random numbers. These stations are often heard in morse as well. Forget copyright problems on these, 'cos you're not even meant to know they exist (the Czechs are the only country to admit publicly to their use). I've recorded some examples by accident when sampling off the shortwave, not knowing what they were, but Irdial discs released a double CD of examples (can't remember their URL offhand, but I'm sure you can find it - there's also a site dedicated to monitoring these stations) Damian '.....the inventory if the streets is inexhaustible' http://www.backspace.org/inventory From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 20:29:06 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:23:30 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh49A-0003JQ-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:23:28 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: DJ loopage Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:18:16 -0700 Message-ID: <002401bd8e9e$3facad20$941a8ed1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <000601bd8e03$22b25300$8b8a8ed1@megafun-brain> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"LAtfcC.A.EiC.pBMd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5831 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:23:28 -0700 X-UIDL: a7b0def2d527b6b0dac2fd7e2241dc26 I don't understand half of what DJ Megafun wrote in the message below. However, I find it very interesting, and it's pointing to some interesting possibilities I hadn't thought of before, mostly because I don't have or know the equipment he mentions. In all this conversation about DJ's versus straighter loopers (is that correct, to call us that?) (who like to approach it from Riley's, Fripp's, Eno's, etc., viewpoint) I find that it's really the technology and how it is used that determines what sounds one comes up with, and how this contrasts with what has been done before. As an interesting illustration, I heard of Eno showing up at a recording studio on 39th Street in Manhattan (NY), and spending a good hour recording a microphone in a water tank, all while blowing bubbles and playing a speaker (!) underwater with some wild sounds. This was recorded and taken with him for some mysterious purpose. Electronics companies like to redesign their wares in the hope that whatever in-vogue fad will make everybody want to have one too. Their modus operandi is purely high sales and profit. Artists, by contrast, look to experiment with ever more outlandish elements in the hope of creating something truly original -- hopefully more and more their own expression, through which their own voice can be clearly ascertained. Electronical devices, so abundant in our age, and as pointed out so subtly by DJ Megafun, ought to be looked at -- at least to us loopers -- as objects that either combine to make up elements, or are elements themselves, beyond what we assume them to be. Mr. DJ Megafun is telling me to give up my long-held notions of looping devices (Echoplex, 16-sec. Digital Delay) as virtual tape recorders -- the composition is the loop and what I play over it and along with it. I can see in my mind's eye, from reading his article, how each loop becomes an element of an ever greater composition, and how these compositions themselves become elements of another. Not unlike what Fripp said in "Let the Power Fall" about structures. I for one would like the DJ-oriented members of this list to remain and share their views with me. And so with gods and men, the sheep remain inside their pen until the shepherd leads his flock away. The sands of time were eroded by the river of constant change... Javier -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Robinson [mailto:djmegafun@colla.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 1:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJ loopage -----Original Message----- From: matthew hahn To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 1:00 PM Subject: DJ loopage >OK so I finally have some time and soon some disposable income, consumer >boy, and will be submitting some demo tapes to local dance clubs in Austin. > >I'm interested in bringing in some effects. Essentially I play cds, and >lps as my DJ mixer standardly has two cd channels and two lp channels. >If anyone has used a delay or other pedal/mechanism for this purpose, I >would like to know some results you acquired. >I'm also considering bringing in sounds from the television, or live radio >broadcast, maybe I'll just run static, but I wonder if anyone has done >this? And I don't mean U2. >Thanks for the help!! > >Mjh, I'm a dj ,and I have a studio that I spend almost every hour of my time in. I use an Mpc 2000 for live work aswell as in the studio.. I also have an efx box tied in to every line input, 4 total. I use aDenon 2000F for cd mixing and technics 1200 MK2's for turntables. ]I use Cubase for arranging then I load every thing in the Mpc for it's excellent timming. I'll take the Mpc to the club, so I can mix in loops and fire off one shot samples. I use loops that I programed myself or loops that I choped using ReCycle or Wave Sergeon. This gives me total flexability over my loops when mixing since most of the time I'll use something off the wall like a 160 Bpm Jungle loop at 125 or a 125 bpm break beat at 160; I do the same with hip hop wich can go as low as 80 Bpm. I like using a Chopping programe because it gives you a midi file for perfect play back. The Mpc is perfect for doing this because its' start time is instant, as fast or faster than my Denon. This way I can mix in a loop that fatens up the record that's playing and go scratch for a few bars,it's perfect for tricks. You can have a loop of some killer bongos or gongos or some snare rolls from a break beat and mix in on top of a house track that otherwise is pretty dull on the percussion end, but has a killer bass line or lead. My point is you can pump up a track with a loop when other wise you may not play the record at all. Say you want to add some bass booms to a couple of bars in the middle of a track boom boom the crowd goes mad because you have introduced a new ellement. You have to let go of long mixes when using loops because of set up time. A good 20 second mix on a break or punch is all you need from one song to the next. The efx boxes are for adding efx to a track ,like short delay to get a double beat effect or a flange even a massive reverb when a track is building up, this adds major heat to the floor. I use middi verbs, so I can change parameters with my controller. The thing about using loops, one shot sounds, and efx is it gives you the creater a unique sound all of your own that no one can duplicate. It only takes a little, less is more, but it can make the difference between ok or great. A straite beat mixer can get a little boring. You need a good fade and cue for drastic tempo and style change, a good break mix hear and there to add punch when comming from a less energetic track to a higher one, loops, one shot dub samples, some efx, a little creativity, and a killer light man, even if you have to train him. Dj MegaFun. > From ???@??? Tue Jun 02 23:06:14 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:45:46 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh6Mr-0003wj-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:45:45 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh6Mr-0006kb-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:45:45 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh6Mo-0003wS-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:45:42 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh6Ma-0006kO-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:45:28 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh6MX-0003vK-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:45:25 -0700 X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:42:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: online musical event invitation Resent-Message-ID: <"eIiKWD.A.fXD.nHOd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5832 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:45:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 58642255c800efa27ae5f2a548541842 Hello fellow loopers, Creative Musicians Coalition is announcing a "new adventure in independent music, 'Hear The Hits, Before They Chart'." My personal musical aesthetics tend towards the idea that "hits" happen in a world of disposable music (as Elton John once described pop). I prefer music that has something resembling a "shelf life." But CMC is a good organization with a lot of good artists (whether or not that includes me is a matter of opinion ;) ), so I'll look past this business about "hits" and invite you to the unveiling. Rather than clog the list with the invitational message, please see: http://www.pan.com/aimcmc/cafe/messages/1767.html To cut right to the chase: for a one-time email invitation to the event, send an email message to aimcmc@pan.com with "HEARHITS" in the subject. CMC promises not to send you any other email or give your address to anyone. Thanks for reading this. Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com Sonosphere (electric/improv music) http://www.sonosphere.com/ "Accidental Beauties" CD release: http://www.sonosphere.com/wyatt/ available from CMC, 1-800-882-4262 http://www.aimcmc.com/ From ???@??? Wed Jun 03 09:49:55 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:37:24 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh92x-0003ia-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:37:23 -0700 Message-ID: <003d01bd8ec9$43a68880$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: Subject: Sure - you've heard it all before Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:25:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"7ffyGC.A.NRD.SqQd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5834 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:37:23 -0700 X-UIDL: b4ec2da74c16a1004acd77adf21bb462 CUBASE VST on the PC. I imagine you've heard a good few questions about this monster sequencer in the past, but I am really getting fed up with it. Every time I go to read a help file, load a real-time effect plug-in, or even add two or more .WAV files, I get a message telling me I'm low on memory! As I have 56MB RAM, I find this very hard to believe - especially as I've had no similar problem with Cubase 1.5. Can anyone offer any suggestions on how to fix this, or do I really need 100+ megabytes to do everything? Cheers Steve From ???@??? Wed Jun 03 09:50:00 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 02:31:41 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh9tU-000630-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 02:31:40 -0700 Message-ID: <35750C78.E0D38665@mcmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 09:42:32 +0100 From: Damian Abbott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJ loopage, Megafun! References: <853555d9.357470ec@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Z-tul.A.mQF.EcRd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5836 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 02:31:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 289aef9a3fc473b3fd70b500b8419fe7 > << How do you know you have the timing down when you bring the sample into > the live mix, do you fadeout the mix and then send in the I'm gonna rock > the floor loop or sample? >> > > Wouldn't you just monitor it through the monitor section on the mixer, before > bringing up the main level? That's how I work loops on my (admittedly not > good) Gemini. Yeah, though on my also not very good (probably not even as good as the Gemini) Radio Shack, there isn't a way to monitor the sampler (it's a part of the mixer) until you bring it up! Makes life interesting - also points up the relationship between the improvisor and the DJ. I don't DJ very often, but when I do in its in one of two guises - either as an experimentalist or a shake your body, feel the noise, party DJ. Sometimes the boundary blurs and this is what I love about DJing. From ???@??? Wed Jun 03 09:49:56 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:57:29 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh9MO-0004b3-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:57:28 -0700 Message-ID: <00df01bd8ecd$1d1fb8e0$e022dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Sure - you've heard it all before Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:53:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Un2XD.A.2EE.18Qd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5835 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:57:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 1b989a7c122357eb458323c6c6352b27 Steve said... >I get a message telling me I'm low on >memory! As I have 56MB RAM, I find this very hard to believe - especially >as I've had no similar problem with Cubase 1.5. > >Can anyone offer any suggestions on how to fix this, or do I really need >100+ megabytes to do everything? How much free space do you have on your hard drive(s)? When was the last time either Scandisk or Defrag were run on the drive(s)? What is the size of the cache on your motherboard? Add up the total MB of the collective WAV files, and figure the size of a file made the length the result would be; add that resultant filesize to the above total. If you don't have THAT amount of space free, you're going to get caching errors or page errors of some kind, inevitably. All the cache systems used by sound file editors will tend to have requirements along the lines of the above. More on scandisk and defrag as needed, I would suppose. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week, Phil Hartman)! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Wed Jun 03 09:49:59 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 02:31:38 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh9tR-00062e-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 02:31:37 -0700 Message-ID: <35751369.E6687960@mcmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:12:10 +0100 From: Damian Abbott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Interactive looping/director References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rTSPI.A.1RF.LcRd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5837 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 02:31:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 909b04d0c2d26a7202e40555c046a707 > There is also ways one can configure it to accept MIDI commands, although I > haven't > gone there yet. I've also heard that people have wrote "xtras" (plug in > software) that can allow you to record audio with the program. You need an xtra like Yamaha's midi xtra to get into that, 'tho I must admit I haven't tried it yet either. Try http://www.audiorom.com for some interesting sound toys (loopers and sequencers) made with director and put on the web as shockwave files. From ???@??? Wed Jun 03 09:50:04 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:17:35 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yhBXx-000237-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:17:33 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhBXx-0004im-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:17:33 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhBXv-00022n-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:17:31 -0700 Message-ID: <35751AC0.2164012F@mcmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:43:28 +0100 From: Damian Abbott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJ loopage/shortwave addendum References: <19980602180852.849.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"peuYZ.A.5nB.J_Sd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5839 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:17:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 81a085f5bdb76867eaa035c659e411b1 > Are numbers stations still running? ENIGMA is the European Numbers Information Gathering and Monitoring Association http://itre.ncsu.edu/radio/groups.txt Other radio delights are documented on the Irdial website eg. radio jamming: http://voa.his.com/jamming.html Or Very Low Frequency waves (radio astronomy) http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~irdial/vlf.htm From ???@??? Wed Jun 03 09:50:01 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:05:20 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhAQ3-0007QM-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:05:19 -0700 Message-ID: <001401bd8ed5$71025b40$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: Subject: Re: Sure - you've heard it all before Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:51:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"AAcW0C.A.SsG.A8Rd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5838 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:05:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 8933d821de5427bd0db79db3c4596d42 Thanks for the advice stephen - I should have mentioned all of this earlier. I defrag my Hard Drive once a month and run full ScanDisks once a week. I have 500mb free space on the hard drive, 512k PLB cache, and I get memory errors for trying to play two 3.8mb WAV files together. When I installed VST I took all setup information from my previous version of Cubasis, which ran with no problems. I take it this means it doesn't like something in my hardware configuration then (I've been told VST is quite heavily bugged). Any more advice would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Steve From ???@??? Wed Jun 03 09:50:11 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 05:32:06 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhCi6-0004pz-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 05:32:06 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980603122721.00707b00@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 14:27:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: DJ loopage Resent-Message-ID: <"Dmh7wC.A.1QE.cFUd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5840 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 05:32:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 3bf074c8620d20439a0d20789eeef7fd >>Do you use the sampler for playing over the records only, or you play your >>sequences too? Yes I use original stuff and I use chops from other peoples >stuff. I also fly in patches I've made from my synths. >>How much memory the MPC 2000 has? 32 megs of ram in seconds at 44.100? >>It has a sequnecer inside too? 100,000 note sequencer I got the thing for >using in the studio then realized it was a perfect dj tool >as well. and how many outputs? FX bank? SCSI card option? Where do you load samples from? floppy, CD, Zip? thanks ciao leo From ???@??? Wed Jun 03 09:49:54 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:02:42 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yh8VN-0002Ic-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:02:41 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980603094427.09a7cd1e@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 09:44:27 To: sodonne@vm.temple.edu, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: JamMan v0.1 In-Reply-To: <35740409.DC3F4D37@vm.temple.edu> References: <221565B3513@knoxy.agvic.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-V_DmC.A.i5B.EJQd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5833 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:02:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 35853e47bfab39337bba7d177a4bed2a >I'm wondering if anyone has gotten their hands on this upgrade. If so, >any reactions? Does it provide any stereo features to the unit? I am >really getting annoyed at the JamMan's lack of stereo processing. If >this upgrade does not provide stereo, I will probably sell in favor of >the new phrase samplers that are coming out. I can categorically state that the upgrade will involve pseudostereo in as far as loops are pannable across a stereo output field. The JamMan CANNOT loop stereo as it stands as it only has a mono input ADC. However, it does have wired-in stereo DACs. Wierd.... Michael Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- "..man, the road must eventually lead to the whole world. Ain't nowhere else it can go - right?" - Jack Kerouac, "On The Road" --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Wed Jun 03 09:50:21 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:55:19 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhFsk-0000w3-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:55:18 -0700 Message-Id: <35757ED3.4C9E6F89@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 17:50:28 +0100 From: Olivier Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: Universit catholique de Louvain, Belgium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sure - you've heard it all before References: <001401bd8ed5$71025b40$0d01a8c0@Remote> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tZpouB.A.VM.PBXd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5841 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:55:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 23893fe1cd1244268e96948a51979ef2 Did you check how much memory you have per audio channel in cubase? In audio>>system (I think, i don't have it here) you can set the block size of the hard drive and the memory per audio channel.... Maybe it is the explanation. Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 00:36:26 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:16:46 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhJ1g-0001xZ-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:16:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603141306.00698290@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 14:13:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: DJ loopage, Megafun! In-Reply-To: <000f01bd8e86$4a044e80$878a8ed1@megafun-brain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"f16N_B.A.JVB.D_Zd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5842 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:16:44 -0700 X-UIDL: 2e221289225e3bba174537199b109e34 >>Wouldn't you just monitor it through the monitor section on the mixer, >before >>bringing up the main level? That's how I work loops on my (admittedly not >>good) Gemini. ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!! It must here be noted the obviousness of these things to people with equipment vs. those that have the bare bones and are in college without much time to catch up in Future Music, thanks to you both! Mjh > From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 00:36:49 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:47:53 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhMK0-0002Ty-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:47:52 -0700 Message-ID: <002901bd8f40$b31ad140$a522dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Sure - you've heard it all before Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:41:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"i0OmSD.A.-0B.qEdd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5843 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:47:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 78a520c66e4492061664e04e40065459 I don't know if you saw my comments about caching settings and such? Also, you might have had a bad setting made when 'inheriting' settings from your previous program. I do have to admit that, in a period prior to my video adapter failing, a number of page faults would appear while performing what would have otherwise mundane wav edits. Do diagnostics on your video adapter if you have them - probably outside of Windows. And of course check the Control Panel/System icon, to see if Windows sees any conflicts or device errors. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week, Phil Hartman)! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lauder To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 3:05 AM Subject: Re: Sure - you've heard it all before >Thanks for the advice stephen - I should have mentioned all of this earlier. > >I defrag my Hard Drive once a month and run full ScanDisks once a week. I >have 500mb free space on the hard drive, 512k PLB cache, and I get memory >errors for trying to play two 3.8mb WAV files together. When I installed >VST I took all setup information from my previous version of Cubasis, which >ran with no problems. > >I take it this means it doesn't like something in my hardware configuration >then (I've been told VST is quite heavily bugged). > >Any more advice would be greatly appreciated. > >Cheers >Steve > > From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 00:37:03 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:59:01 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhOMu-0004gq-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:59:00 -0700 From: Message-ID: <1f01f3cd.3575f026@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:53:55 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DJ loopage, Megafun! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"ykgH_B.A.FAE.KBfd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5844 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:59:00 -0700 X-UIDL: b5d6eff5ed9f07e26229f68aa7b0e384 In a message dated 98-06-03 05:30:28 EDT, you write: << > << How do you know you have the timing down when you bring the sample into > the live mix, do you fadeout the mix and then send in the I'm gonna rock > the floor loop or sample? >> > > Wouldn't you just monitor it through the monitor section on the mixer, before > bringing up the main level? That's how I work loops on my (admittedly not > good) Gemini. Yeah, though on my also not very good (probably not even as good as the Gemini) Radio Shack, there isn't a way to monitor the sampler (it's a part of the mixer) until you bring it up! Makes life interesting - also points up the relationship between the improvisor and the DJ. I don't DJ very often, but when I do in its in one of two guises - either as an experimentalist or a shake your body, feel the noise, party DJ. Sometimes the boundary blurs and this is what I love about DJing. >> You might want to check into one of the Gemini mixers.... many offer sampling, in various lengths, and they all allow separate monitoring of the incoming signals (or samples) without sending to the main mix. And they're not super- expensive. Your djing sounds like mine - I'm either using the mixer as another sound tool, or I am bringing a box of discs and the mixer and rocking a houseparty - but not a lot of real "dj" d-jing, beatmatching, stuff like that. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 00:37:04 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:05:11 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhOSs-0005Lc-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:05:10 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhOSt-0002nc-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:05:11 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhOSm-0005Kw-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:05:04 -0700 From: Message-ID: <4475c55.3575f15a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:59:05 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: MPC 2000 info... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"HNhE-C.A.wfE.TGfd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5845 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:05:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 21d0506c92329fd24520c96d1444122a In a message dated 98-06-03 09:02:32 EDT, you write: << sample time in seconds at 44.100?>> roughly 5 1/2 minutes. <> comes stock with stereo outs and a headphone jack - another board can be added to give 8 discreet 1/4" outs and a digital in/out. << FX bank?>> you can get an effects board to install. <> It has a SCSI jack on the back, and also a built-in floppy drive. I have a zip drive hooked to the SCSI which works great - loads samples extremely fast, much faster than the floppy drive. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 00:37:10 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:26:30 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhPja-0002Xd-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:26:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199806040221.WAA23667@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Warning: Equipment related Post... Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:19:11 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4RNQdD.A.n-B.JTgd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5846 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:26:30 -0700 X-UIDL: dd557ef6a550ccfb17afd13a27d7c276 > From: chris lamb > >Hello, > > > >I've been on this list for a bout 2 weeks not and I hate to admit it, > but = > >I have no idea what you guys are talking about most of the time. I = > >subscribed thinking this was a list about looping techniques, which I = > >guess it is, but it seems like most people are using more experimental yeah, chris...it gets pretty bogged down sometimes.... how bout some pre-loop gear talk... - i had a bad case of GAS (gear acquistion syndrome, newbies) this weekend - needed to shrink my snakepit of pedals/cords for an upcoming tour* - at a local music store sale - i grabbed the KORG Ax300G... WOW..very cool device - anyone have experience on this or the AX30G ??? there's a link from the digital guitar site for progs etc for the ax30G.. very, Very good sounds, well mapped out, tons (too many) possibilities. They thought of it all, exp pedal input, tap tempo delay, tuner, very flexible effect chain possibilities, great tubey overdrive sounds, STEREO effects (all the time based stuff, pitch shift, etc), headphone jack (it's a free hotel room rockman !!!) - some of the more bizarre sounds involve the very COOL Oscillator (!*^!*%*%!!!!) that they threw in - you can solo over weird synth ostinatos.... and only $170 ... i remember when the original came out - but don't remember any reviews per se - i guess we're swamped by this genre - the multi FX pedal. And - i'm set up in 60 sec !!! I'm in love... gonna try some loops with it tonite.... any thoughts/suggestions on this device?? In brief - a great, pre-loop tone monster - anything from classic & contempo sounds to complete bizarro hendrix-on-neptune stuff! In fact - i can get a ton of the basic vortex sounds ...... peace/loops andre' * the tour in question is my zappa tribute band --- if you care and are between Burlington VT and Alexandria VA check out the dates on our site.. we'll be touring with 10-year Zappa vocalist/guitarist Ike Willis go to >> http://www.jswd.net/projectobject From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 00:37:17 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:42:10 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhRqr-0002fo-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:42:09 -0700 From: Message-ID: <82b0c2d1.35762465@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:36:52 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: MPC 2000 info... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"hF8Kf.A._GC.jSid1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5847 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:42:09 -0700 X-UIDL: e9803fcc6485c4734bc0c4e6b0dab9f3 What IS this thing you guys are talking about?!?! From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 00:37:18 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:01:07 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhS9C-00042e-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:01:06 -0700 From: Message-ID: <60555330.357628ec@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:56:11 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: MPC 2000 info... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"6vL4U.A.kZD.Vkid1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5848 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:01:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 31b7f96c5aca72369d4109539406a357 one small favor......could you give the manufactuers name when you mention a type of equipment.......makes it easier to look it up and learn about it........thanks.......oh and btw.....the day after the project 2 concert, i.e. yesterday, i had a tornadoe go down my street, the ones on sunday were out in the country, what a sound, very wild stuff for the city of pittsburgh, hope you all never get to hear it.......michael From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 02:31:48 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:27:17 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhVMh-0005rp-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:27:15 -0700 Message-ID: <35764FE3.BDD736A3@mcmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 08:42:28 +0100 From: Damian Abbott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MPC 2000 info/diversion References: <60555330.357628ec@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kcn9SB.A.nFF.Olld1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5850 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:27:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 1c201a9a57613cf1091bee72f97eb690 > i had a tornadoe go down my street, the ones on sunday were > out in the country, what a sound, very wild stuff for the city of pittsburgh, > hope you all never get to hear it.......michael Did you record it? Damian From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 01:13:33 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:52:53 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhUpQ-0004O2-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:52:52 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <60555330.357628ec@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:48:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re: MPC 2000 info... Resent-Message-ID: <"-bYHq.A.Z5D.LGld1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5849 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:52:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 5d7b6cf79196da76fc18ff571749dc5c It's made by Akai. kim >one small favor......could you give the manufactuers name when you mention a >type of equipment.......makes it easier to look it up and learn about >it........thanks.......oh and btw.....the day after the project 2 concert, >i.e. yesterday, i had a tornadoe go down my street, the ones on sunday were >out in the country, what a sound, very wild stuff for the city of pittsburgh, >hope you all never get to hear it.......michael ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 02:31:49 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:27:25 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhVMo-0005st-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:27:22 -0700 Message-ID: <35765871.E7D53220@mcmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:18:57 +0100 From: Damian Abbott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJ loopage, Megafun! References: <1f01f3cd.3575f026@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"po2IL.A.MGF.Rlld1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5851 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:27:22 -0700 X-UIDL: e9e6ecd1ebfea4f55a0019c6faafd820 > I'm either using the mixer as another sound > tool, or I am bringing a box of discs and the mixer and rocking a houseparty - > but not a lot of real "dj" d-jing, beatmatching, stuff like that I co-run an underground cinema club here in London and I like playing on those nights 'cos it allows me to play right across my very promiscuous taste in music: some film scores or Ferrante and Teicher early evening; some 'king hell, what was that, noise mid evening; and some jump up and techstep after the films have done. With film-making and music-making there are two basic techniques: the loop and the cut. A mixer allows you to do both. Damian From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 02:31:53 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:04:36 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhVwp-0007OQ-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:04:35 -0700 Message-ID: <002301bd8f96$1051bae0$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: Subject: Re: Sure - you've heard it all before Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:51:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"qHx85B.A.nqG.sImd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5852 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:04:35 -0700 X-UIDL: aa1572ddf6a92a9a7a449e70dac978df I know how weird this is going to sound, but I changed several of my configurations, and it seems that the problem was that Cubase doesn't like the soundcard in full-duplex mode. I changed it to half-duplex and everything seems OK now. What a sequencer! All I want now is Syntrillium's Cool Edit Pro to complement it with (I don't know - some people are never satisfied!) Thanks to all who gave me advice, Steve Lauder From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 03:32:50 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:20:53 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhX8f-000289-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:20:53 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:16:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: we're movin'!! ....sorta... Resent-Message-ID: <"n8mXyD.A.NyB.3Qnd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5853 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:20:53 -0700 X-UIDL: cc1be0d6c7fd4a437d86ade50e05ae00 Some of you have probably noticed how Looper's Delight sometimes gets totally screwed up by my ISP. The list goes down, the web site disappears, mail bounces, the domain name breaks, whatever. You've probably heard me complain on occaision about what idiots they've got at slip.net. Well the truly last straw was having the digest version of the list go down around the beginning of April. Two months later it's still down, despite repeated calls and emails. Every now and then someone would actually reply, be very apologetic, and then do nothing. So, we're outta here! I've spent the past few weeks researching web-hosting ISPs, and signed up for one that looked like a nice fit. (it's alabanza, if you want to know). The best feature, in my opinion, is the support guarantee: If I contact their support, and a real human has not replied to me in 24 hours, I get the whole month free! They also have other features that should make the whole thing work better and easier to manage. oh yeah, and it's half the price of slip.net, that didn't hurt! Since I have my own domain name, urls and email addresses *DO NOT CHANGE*. Everything is still annihilist.com. The change should be totally transparent for all of you. The only reason I'm even mentioning it is because I've now got everything set up there, and I'm switching the domain name to the new server right now. It might take a few days for that to propogate all over the internet. There is always that chance that something could go wrong in the process. So if something strange happens with the list or the website, that's why. Please let me know if you see anything odd. And remember, the urls and email address *do not change*! thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 09:56:14 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 06:49:56 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhaOx-0001NP-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 06:49:55 -0700 Message-ID: <3576A4FF.32FC69AB@mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:45:35 -0400 From: Jason Secord X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Hytenin , "jessie s." , John Hajec , Linda Andrews , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , Neverman , "NHYTINEN@wdet.wayne.edu" , Phil Diem , Rob Darga , "smaug@servidor.unam.mx" , Stacy and David Subject: evol in the world Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"STKx_.A.I8.zTqd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5854 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 06:49:55 -0700 X-UIDL: c8debaa38d2bd09861023b614f12b082 ---Paul wrote: > > > > > note: forwarded msg attached. > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > ATTACHMENT part 2.TEXT message/rfc822 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom & SharonHumphrey > To: Mark Aide ; Stew Chezzi ; > Christopher DeHart ; Wally Dyer ; Todd > Endres ; Tony Gomez ; GREG > ; Elise Gregory ; Bob Hackl > ; Dan Harnetiaux ; Tom Humphrey > ; Ronald Kasperski ; Maria > McEachreon ; Bill Neitzel ; > Robert Neitzel ; Martha Olson ; Brenda > Ryder ; Jay A. Salvo ; Steve > Schultz ; Todd & Jane Smurawa > ; Pat Sugden <1packfan@concentric.net>; Kelly > Volden ; Jason Zander ; JOSEPH O'DELL > ; Family Bednarik ; John > Cox ; Wally Meyer ; Jessica > Braund ; Jay Salvo ; Carrie > Ninedorf ; Rhonda Channell > ; Donna Brunch ; Angel > McCauley ; Steven Halverson ; Mike > Lewandowski ; Kit & Ellie Deubler > ; Mark Burns ; Terry/Jeanette > ; Jerry Lamb ; Mark Wendricks > ; Teri Benoit ; John > Marshal ; John Gonzales ; Bill Kahl > ; Neitzel, Jan - (at work) > ; Ron Nelson ; Berta > Phelps ; Jim Sabroff ; Charlie > Rockweiler ; Counciling Prairie > ; Mark & Carol Tormey ; Sue Bauer > ; Maureen Robbins > Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 9:50 PM > Subject: WARNING....WARNING.....WARNING > > > >If you receive an email titled "WIN A HOLIDAY" DO NOT open it. It > >>will > >>>>> erase everything on your hard drive. Forward this letter out to as > >>>>many > >>>>> people as you can. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many > > > >>>>> people know about it. This information was announced yesterday > >>>morning > >>>>> from Microsoft; please share it with everyone that might access the > > > >>>>> internet. > >>>>> Once again, pass this along to everyone in your address book so > >that > >>>>> this may be stopped. > > > > > From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 09:56:16 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 06:53:47 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhaSg-0001mo-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 06:53:46 -0700 From: Message-ID: <73f4ada7.3576a594@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:48:03 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: MPC 2000 info... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"ELHnw.A.BKB.3Wqd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5855 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 06:53:46 -0700 X-UIDL: ec0bed092b5676bab86173615a939cdd In a message dated 98-06-04 00:40:50 EDT, you write: << What IS this thing you guys are talking about?!?! >> The MPC 2000 is a midi workstation made by Akai - basically it's a sampler, drum machine and sequencer in one box. you can check out specs at akai's website : http://www.akai.com/akaipro/ - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 09:56:18 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:20:42 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhbom-0006v2-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:20:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3576B9F6.9A25EDA@vm.temple.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 11:15:02 -0400 From: Sean O'Donnell Reply-To: sodonne@vm.temple.edu Organization: Temple University Center for Research in Human Development and Education X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: evol in the world References: <3576A4FF.32FC69AB@mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XJquo.A.i_F.5nrd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5856 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:20:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 76790eca061136663bbec3145c7b3ed5 Every day for the past two weeks I have gotten this message regarding the "WIN HOLIDAY" virus. I've got a newsflash for everyone who keeps sending me this message: IF SOMEONE TELLS YOU CAN GET A VIRUS FROM AN E-MAIL, THEY'RE EITHER LYING OR HAVE BEEN DUPED BY SOMEONE WHO IS. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO CONTRACT A VIRUS FROM OPENING AN E-MAIL MESSAGE. Stop sending me this crap! Jason Secord wrote: > > > Subject: WARNING....WARNING.....WARNING > > > > > > >If you receive an email titled "WIN A HOLIDAY" DO NOT open it. It > > >>will > > >>>>> erase everything on your hard drive. Forward this letter out > to as > > >>>>many > > >>>>> people as you can. This is a new, very malicious virus and not > many > > > > > >>>>> people know about it. This information was announced yesterday > > >>>morning > > >>>>> from Microsoft; please share it with everyone that might > access the > > > > > >>>>> internet. > > >>>>> Once again, pass this along to everyone in your address book so > > >that > > >>>>> this may be stopped. > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 09:56:21 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:38:54 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhc6P-0000a8-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:38:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:31:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: we're movin'!! ....sorta... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"yI9vLB.A.tUH.w4rd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5857 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:38:53 -0700 X-UIDL: 288aa554d6537d41b263669674ed18b2 On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Kim Flint wrote: > Please let me know if you see anything odd. Hey Kim, This is the wrong group of people to ask such an open-ended question. 8) -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 09:56:26 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:49:04 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhcGF-0001W1-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:49:03 -0700 From: Message-ID: <292e96cd.3576c0a4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:43:31 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: we're movin'!! ....sorta... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"H-B55D.A.9AB.dDsd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5858 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:49:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 14a6cc84b478282d6a9f2a8c1663c805 From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 09:56:33 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:43:03 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhd6T-00066K-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:43:01 -0700 From: Message-ID: <2f36efd3.3576cc8c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:34:19 EDT To: sodonne@vm.temple.edu, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: evol in the world Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"noiKbC.A.9IF.F1sd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5859 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:43:01 -0700 X-UIDL: 348e2a626a5b93fd9237198dbf766f2c In a message dated 6/4/98 10:53:48 AM, you wrote: >Every day for the past two weeks I have gotten this message regarding >the "WIN HOLIDAY" virus. I've got a newsflash for everyone who keeps >sending me this message: > >IF SOMEONE TELLS YOU CAN GET A VIRUS FROM AN E-MAIL, THEY'RE EITHER >LYING OR HAVE BEEN DUPED BY SOMEONE WHO IS. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY >TO CONTRACT A VIRUS FROM OPENING AN E-MAIL MESSAGE. > >Stop sending me this crap! People- Anytime you get an email telling you to "SEND THIS OUT TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!" it is a SPAM, pure and simple. The whole idea is to basically have this email propagate everywhere....sort of like a virus itself. It makes no difference if it is a "virus warning," a plea to "cure cancer," or help some unfortunate kid with a "terminal disease," a warning that some hackers are taking over AOL (an "AOL riot"), or even a nice poem for better living or love among all people- it is still SPAM. Please don't forward these messages. Including this one. Thanks From ???@??? Thu Jun 04 11:01:29 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:12:11 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhdYf-0000sp-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:12:09 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhdYg-0003hk-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:12:10 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhdYb-0000sL-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:12:05 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980604170446.007099a0@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 19:04:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: web music Resent-Message-ID: <"p--PaD.A.1M.nPtd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5860 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:12:05 -0700 X-UIDL: df9e48df37bba45da1f37fa974804ef0 Since I'm going to set up my WWW pages (time permitting) I'd like to know what's the best method to put audio on the net. I' m thinking mostly to real audio... any experience to share? Where do you find the .wav to .ra (.ram??? what's the difference?) coverter? How much is the quality loss? Any info is welcome. ciao leo From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 01:56:24 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:02:25 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhgDP-0006gP-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:02:23 -0700 Message-ID: <005701bd8ff2$fb498940$6723dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: web music Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:57:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"udLlVC.A.P2F.Zwvd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5861 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:02:23 -0700 X-UIDL: d19fa0c48b179c67fcae6eddd783ff3f I'll be concise .... RealAudio is IMHO the best at this time, its compression is good (a 5-minute, 45mb wav gets compressed to 650kb or so), and the sound quality is some of the best out there. Most importantly, the Encoder is a free download. Other audio file compression methods require the producer (you) to pay big bucks upfront for encoders or editors, and their file structure is proprietary as a result. With RA, people won't have to in most cases go through hoops or buy something to listen to your work. Examples can be found at http://members.xoom.com/earthlight and http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - both of the short ActiveX-plugin method and the .ra/.ram click to play method. As to the "How", an RA file is the result of the Real Encoder's work on your WAV file. It would be on your web space, along with the HTML and RAM file. The RAM file is only a text file, containing the full URL of the RA file. Your server doesn't have to support RA to do this, either. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week, Phil Hartman)! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios >Since I'm going to set up my WWW pages (time permitting) I'd like to know >what's the best method to put audio on the net. > >I' m thinking mostly to real audio... any experience to share? > >Where do you find the .wav to .ra (.ram??? what's the difference?) coverter? >How much is the quality loss? > >Any info is welcome. > >ciao >leo > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 01:56:29 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:53:08 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yhh0U-0002Zr-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:53:06 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhh0I-0004ty-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:52:55 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhh0F-0002ZA-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:52:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199806042045.QAA22776@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Soundbytes...JFK's LSD UFO Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:43:26 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kAux5.A.V0B.cewd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5862 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:52:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 17d4bcd42d6cb3aca650e0dd3fa1f7aa hey loopers.. for those of you who tried un-successfully to play the real audio from my duo JFK's LSD UFO.... we seem to have fixed any "problems" that were occurring... please try http://www.monmouth.com/~andre/jfk.htm Live interactive Looping with percussion, guitar, synths, samples, drums, vocals !! thanks!! gimme some feedback - let me know if you can/can't hear these - andre' east From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 01:56:33 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:27:20 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhhXV-0005Pv-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:27:13 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhhXT-0006LO-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:27:11 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhhXP-0005PH-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:27:07 -0700 From: "Steve Smith" To: Subject: JAMMAN Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:21:14 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd8ffe$b43550a0$54e8d6cc@ssteve.missconet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"w7oWpD.A.MjE.E_wd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5863 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:27:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 0c917752d4ebc79ae8c049ef019839c5 I would like to upgrade the memory in my jamman past 32 seconds. What can I do? Best Regards Steve Smith From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 01:56:39 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:08:12 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhiB9-0001Hf-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:08:11 -0700 Message-ID: <3577162E.18586D4C@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 17:48:30 -0400 From: Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: GHOST NEEDS INFO on MC505, 202, Riverhead basses etc.. Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------DB75D4B8C8F3CB8F5DEEBAA5" Resent-Message-ID: <"vZaYIB.A.rm.glxd1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5864 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:08:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 51df053203384739d2adfa3a867f15d1 If anyone has tips, tricks, sites or general info to share on on Roland's Mc505 202 dr. Sampler, Fast forward designs Midi step pedals, or Riverhead basses. Or, if you just want to confess your darkest sins for me to tell the world on my upcoming cd. Please post or mail me direct. Thanxxx. Ghost TRUTHCIRCLE

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From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 01:56:43 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:50:36 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yhiqB-0004ds-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:50:35 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhiqA-00025v-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:50:34 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhiq7-0004db-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:50:31 -0700 X-From_:truthcircle@earthlink.net Thu Jun 04 15:50:28 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for loopers-delight@slip.net id 0yhiq3-0004d1-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:50:27 -0700 Received: from [204.119.177.22] (helo=denmark.it.earthlink.net) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com id 0yhiq3-00025e-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:50:27 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust182.tnt29.nyc3.da.uu.net [208.255.112.182]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20754 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35772187.32E08BDB@earthlink.net> Old-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 18:36:55 -0400 From: GHOST Reply-To: truthcircle@earthlink.net Organization: TRUTHCIRCLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:50:31 -0700 X-UIDL: b76378185f301ef75ff544477aabfcba TRUTHTEST From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 02:52:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA03472; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:40:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:40:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <357731B3.5D203DB@csi.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 01:45:55 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JAMMAN References: <199806041723_MC2-3F21-76C1@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D1jCI.0._j.JAnAn"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't beleive it's been implemented to expand beyond 32s, anyone else? Rob Cummings Steve Smith wrote: > I would like to upgrade the memory in my jamman past 32 seconds. What can I > do? From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 01:56:54 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:10:29 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhl1X-0007O7-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:10:27 -0700 From: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:05:19 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: JAMMAN Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"PcGcjD.A.0fG.0R0d1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5865 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:10:27 -0700 X-UIDL: fd21b8e563f740882c214d4406f6cdc0 <> Hey Steve, Hate to tell you this, but you can't do it. Supposedly the JamMan/MutMax upgrade that Bob Sellon is working on will allow up to 120 sec (with some hardware changes), but it seems no one on the list, including myself, can get ahold of him to find out about getting this upgrade. Seems to be in some sort of beta cycle right now. Good luck, and if you figure something out, please let us know. Drew Wheeler From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 01:56:55 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:25:29 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhlG4-0000gv-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:25:28 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: web music Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:15:31 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd901f$6ec608e0$c71bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"kftwW.A.iS.1f0d1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5866 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:25:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 2b101df8523df41a8a03140d55ec9d04 I'd like to know the same. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Leonardo Cavallo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, June 04, 1998 1:08 PM Subject: web music > >Since I'm going to set up my WWW pages (time permitting) I'd like to know >what's the best method to put audio on the net. > >I' m thinking mostly to real audio... any experience to share? > >Where do you find the .wav to .ra (.ram??? what's the difference?) coverter? >How much is the quality loss? > >Any info is welcome. > >ciao >leo > > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 01:57:02 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:01:41 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yhlp4-0003vU-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:01:38 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhlp2-0001TL-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:01:36 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhlot-0003uG-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:01:27 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980605015729.00c9016c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 18:57:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) those darwin awards again Resent-Message-ID: <"01jm5B.A.MMD.wB1d1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5869 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:01:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 680399025c8f47e2e09e68f774549d4c haha, very funny but please don't send this stuff to the whole list! That's a big netiquette no-no. and yes, I realize I'm becoming a stodgy old fart, no need to let me know. Just think of me as that mean old guy that lived across the street from you when you were growing up. The one that stood there glaring at you and your friends all day and would take your ball away if it went in his yard. That's me. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 01:57:10 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:59:47 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yhnfO-0003GC-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:59:46 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhnfP-00054q-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:59:47 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhnfM-0003G1-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:59:44 -0700 From: Message-ID: <3db4b996.35776c2b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:55:22 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Two lesser-known looping tools (gear alert) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"1Ju6jC.A.vxC.Px2d1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5870 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:59:44 -0700 X-UIDL: 715a7e79de6f00cbab6c6801b2e5a979 Given my basically non-defensible resistance to buying a EDPro (needing two for stereo, and being pretty much satisfied with under 10-sec loops, has a lot to do with it...), I've been exploring some less-than-typical looping gear: Korg's new DL8000 delay and a Pioneer CDJ-500 CD player. My impressions so far: DL8000: This piece is quite a serious little delay line marred by a non-standard, and not-different-for-any-good reason interface (unless you need to see delay times from across the room), and a minimal manual. As a hands-free looper, it needs some add-on pedals, but once fitted out with a stereo volume pedal to control audio input to the delay and an expression pedal to control feedback, it'll quite elegantly do up to 4 seconds of true stereo looping or 10 sec of mono (I patched it to the main outs of my primary mixer, so I can send it whatever's happening on any channel with a few button presses). Additional foot pedals (or front-panel buttons) can add bypass, hold, and tap tempo (which will allow you to define loop length, at least in mono). Virtually any parameter can be adjusted with the expression pedal, but you can only tweek a few delay parameters a very small amount without introducing soon-quite-boring squeals and shreiks. It does a bunch of other stuff like flanging and chorus, and has some neat preset rhythmic delay taps, EQs and audio-triggering modes, but I haven't explored these much, since looping is what I wanted it for. Programming it is not a picnic, as the interface is hard to get the hang of (or enjoy once you do), and the manual doesn't help with any application hints, but for $440 (pedals extra!), it was worth it for stereo, IMHO. CDJ-500: As I was ordering a Phillips 870 CD-R at the time (a VERY wise move, at least for me--digital is IT!), the idea of being able to seamlessly loop anything on a CD up to 10 MINUTES long in stereo with 1/75th of a sec. accuracy for setting in and out points (and tempo control of +/- 10% with or without pitch shift), was pretty irresistable, so I decided on impulse (have windfall, will buy gear!) to throw this Pioneer into the shopping cart. I'm not sure it's been a totally justified impulse ($600), but it's certainly an interesting addition, when you've got your own sounds on CDs hanging around. The whole logic of a pro-DJ player took me some getting used to (pause is audible as the machine loops the current cue point--not an attractive sound, IMHO; etc..), there's no digital out (BOO!) or way to control it with footswitches, but patch this into a bank of fx and it's a really intriguing way to re-experience and re-tool your own output...let alone anyone else's. From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 01:57:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA01078; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:40:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:40:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <02b001bd9038$10e5b5e0$e0f1ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: web music Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:11:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"BT63e3.0.KA.PtiTr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Look for the real audio converter at www.real.com The quality level can be set according to the compression level. I use eal Audio on my pages because it allows the sound clips to be longer. You also have the option of making it 'straming' with no download time, or downloading the whole file and listening to it. You can hear my real audio examples at: http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/FutureP/cd2.htm These were converted right off of the CD...in mono...the sound sometimes can be like an AM radio, but also can be suprisingly good. Real Audio is the best, fastest way to get the music up there for people to hear it. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 > > >> >>Since I'm going to set up my WWW pages (time permitting) I'd like to know >>what's the best method to put audio on the net. >> >>I' m thinking mostly to real audio... any experience to share? >> >>Where do you find the .wav to .ra (.ram??? what's the difference?) >coverter? >>How much is the quality loss? >> >>Any info is welcome. >> >>ciao >>leo >> >> >> > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 01:58:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA03589; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:16:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:16:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980605001706.006a0bcc@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 00:17:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) those darwin awards again In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980605015729.00c9016c@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RzDgN1.0.Bn.zOjTr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Damn that was the funniest thing I've seen since since well well uh was there any looping content in there? Oh yeah people were dying. It was a gothic loop Mjh From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 02:53:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA05182; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:05:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:05:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:50:29 +0100 Message-ID: <00131C44.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Re[2]: web music To: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"dA0ZF3.0.4B1.8YnAn"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Leo/Jeff et al This might be of interest: "A Hip Hop Central Special Edition - Creating Real Audio files" Not having access to Windows 95 or NT, I've no personal experience of using/setting-up RA material. So - I can't really comment on the accuracy or otherwise of this site, but it seems like a reasonable enough sort of tutorial, and it does contain direct links to the RA Encoder, CoolEdit and a couple of other tools which may be of use. Hope it helps David From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 01:56:59 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:41:15 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhlVJ-00020y-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:41:13 -0700 From: "Tim Fitzsimons" Organization: Dept. of Agriculture (Vic). To: "Paul Fitzsimons", asrx@onelist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, eps@oak.oakland.edu Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:30:49 +0000 Subject: (Fwd) (Fwd) those darwin awards again Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <269E84B78FB@knoxy.agvic.gov.au> Resent-Message-ID: <"tuwywC.A.KhB._u0d1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5867 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:41:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 74fe8523cff870365484aa920ebbb102 > The long-awaited new edition of the Darwin Awards > _______________________________ > > THE DARWIN AWARDS are given every year to bestow upon (the remains > of)those individuals, who through single-minded self-sacrifice, have > done the most to remove undesirable elements from the human gene pool. > > 1997 DARWIN NOMINEES: > > (# 1) Los Angeles, CA. Ani Saduki, 33, and his brother decided to remove a bees nest from a shed on their property with the aid of a pineapple. A pineapple is an illegal firecracker which is the explosive equivalent of one-half stick of dynamite. They ignited the fuse and retreated to watch from inside their home, behind a window some 10 feet away from the hive/shed. The concussion of the explosion shattered the window inwards, seriously lacerating Ani. Deciding Mr. Saduki need stitches, the brothers headed out to go to a nearby hospital. While walking towards their car, Ani was stung three times by the surviving bees. Unbeknownst to either brother, Ani was allergic to bee venom, and died of suffocation enroute to the hospital. > > > (# 2) Derrick L. Richards, 28, was charged in April in Minneapolis with third-degree murder in the death of his beloved cousin, Kenneth E. Richards. According to police, Derrick suggested a game of Russian roulette and put a semiautomatic pistol (instead of the more traditional revolver) to Ken's head and fired. > > (# 3) Phillipsburg, NJ. An unidentified 29 year old male choked to death on a sequined pastie he had orally removed from an exotic dancer at a local establishment. "I didn't think he was going to eat it," the dancer identified only as "Ginger" said, adding "He was really drunk." > > (# 4) In February, according to police in Windsor, Ont., Daniel Kolta, 27, and Randy Taylor, 33, died in a head-on collision, thus earning a tie in the game of chicken they were playing with their snowmobiles. > > (# 5) MOSCOW, Russia-A drunk security man asked a colleague at the Moscow bank they were guarding to stab his bulletproof vest to see if it would protected him against a knife attack. It didn't, and the 25-year-old guard died of a heart wound. (It's good to see the Russians getting into the spirit of the Darwin Awards.) > > (# 6) In France, Jacques LeFevrier left nothing to chance when he decided to commit suicide. He stood at the top of a tall cliff and tied a noose around his neck. He tied the other end of the rope to a large rock. He drank some poison and set fire to his clothes. He even tried to shoot himself at the last moment. He jumped and fired the pistol. The bullet missed him completely and cut through the rope above him. Free of the threat of hanging, he plunged into the sea. The sudden dunking extinguished the flames and made him vomit the poison. He was dragged out of the water by a kind fisherman and was taken to a hospital, where he died of hypothermia. > > (# 7) RENTON, Washington, USA. On February 3, 1990, a Renton, Washington man tried to commit a robbery. This was probably his first attempt, as suggested by the fact that he had no previous record of violent crime, and by his terminally stupid choices as listed below: > 1. The target was H&J Leather & Firearms, a gun shop. 2. The shop was full of customers, in a state where a substantial portion of the adult population is licensed to carry concealed handguns in public places. > 3. To enter the shop, he had to step around a marked Police patrol car parked at the front door. 4. An officer in uniform was standing next to the counter, having coffee before reporting to duty. Upon seeing the officer, the would-be robber announced a holdup and fired a few wild shots. The officer and a clerk promptly returned fire, removing him from the gene pool. Several other customers also drew their guns, but didn't fire. No one else was hurt. > > 1997 DARWIN AWARD HONORABLE MENTIONS (I.E. Non-fatalities) > > Gulf Breeze, Florida, three unidentified teenage males were using a home video camera to film an action/adventure "movie" one of the boys had written. In a scene that called for each character to be ignited by fire, the "special effects coordinator," age 15, prepared the "stunt" youth by dousing lighter fluid onto his clothes. The intentional fire, which proved unexpectedly difficult to extinguish, left the young man with third degree burns on his left arm, torso, and both legs. It was all captured on film. > > ************* > > In Bradford, PA, J. Cruwe, 28, caught a small snake in a container which he handed to his wife. She opened the container and, startled to see the snake, dropped it. The excited and poisonous snake immediately bit Mr. Cruwe on the shin. Mr Cruwe survived the wound and recovered after a short visit to the local emergency room. > > ************* > > In rural Carbon County, PA, a group of men were drinking beer and discharging firearms from the rear deck of a home owned by Irving Michaels, age 27. The men were firing at a raccoon that was wandering by, but the beer apparently impaired their aim and, despite of the estimated 35 shots the group fired, the animal escaped into a 3 foot diameter drainage pipe some 100 feet away from Mr.Michaels' deck. Determined to terminate the animal, Mr. Michaels retrieved a can of gasoline and poured some down the pipe, intending to smoke the animal out. After several unsuccessful attempts to ignite the fuel, Michaels emptied the entire 5 gallon fuel can down the pipe and tried to ignite it again, to no avail. Not one to admit defeat by wildlife, the determined Mr. Michaels proceeded to slide feet-first approximately 15 feet down the sloping pipe to toss the match. The subsequent rapidly expanding fireball propelled Mr. Michaels back the way he had come, though at a much higher rate of speed. He exited the angled pipe "like a Polaris missile leaves a submarine," according to witness Joseph McFadden, 31. Mr. Michaels was launched directly over his own home, right over the heads of his astonished friends, onto his front lawn. In all, he traveled over 200 feet through the air. "There was a Doppler Effect to his scream as he flew over us," McFadden reported, "followed by a loud thud." Amazingly, he suffered only minor injuries. "It was actually pretty cool," Michaels said, "Like when they shoot someone out of a cannon at the circus. I'd do it again if I was sure I wouldn't get hurt." > > ************** > > TACOMA, WA - Kerry Bingham had been drinking with several friends when one of them said they knew a person who had bungee-jumped from the middle of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge. The conversation grew more heated and at least 10 men trooped along the walkway of the bridge at 4:30 a.m. Upon arrival at the midpoint of the bridge they discovered that no one had brought bungee rope. Bingham, who had continued drinking, volunteered and pointed out that a coil of lineman's cable lay nearby. One end of the cable was secured around Bingham's leg and the other end was tied to the bridge. His fall lasted 40 feet before the cable tightened and pulled his foot off at the ankle. He miraculously survived his fall into the frigid waters of the Tacoma Narrows and Puget Sound and was rescued by two nearby fishermen. "All I can say," said Bingham, "Is that God was watching out for me on that night. There's just no other explanation for it." Bingham's severed foot was never located. > > **************** > Earlier this year, the dazed crew of a Japanese trawler were plucked out of the Sea of Japan clinging to the wreckage of their sunken ship. Their rescue, however, was followed by immediate imprisonment once authorities questioned the sailors on their ship's loss. To a man they claimed that a cow, falling out of a clear blue sky, had struck the trawler amidships, shattering its hull and sinking the vessel within minutes. They remained in prison for several weeks, until the Russian Air Force reluctantly informed Japanese authorities that the crew of one of its cargo planes had apparently stolen a cow wandering at the edge of a Siberian airfield, forced the cow into the plane's hold and hastily taken off for home. Unprepared for live cargo, the Russian crew was ill-equipped to manage a now rampaging cow within its hold. To save the aircraft and themselves, they shoved the animal out of the cargo hold as they crossed the Sea of Japan at an altitude of 30,000 feet. > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 10:41:43 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:27:11 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhyOa-0007Sc-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:27:08 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) those darwin awards again Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:14:09 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd9094$96befb20$251cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"AAgEN.A.6ZG.MyAe1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5871 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:27:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 72e3c2e9a738390a33aeafd9dac79025 I'm with you on that one. I could give a crap about that stuff. I do hope that is making fun of darwin...because i know i didn't come from a monkey. But that's another posting list. Jeff Collins -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, June 04, 1998 9:59 PM Subject: Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) those darwin awards again >haha, very funny but please don't send this stuff to the whole list! That's >a big netiquette no-no. > >and yes, I realize I'm becoming a stodgy old fart, no need to let me know. >Just think of me as that mean old guy that lived across the street from you >when you were growing up. The one that stood there glaring at you and your >friends all day and would take your ball away if it went in his yard. That's me. > >kim >________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 >Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com >http://www.chromatic.com > > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:47:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA21990; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:54:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:54:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35780BF7.9B2F0507@nyfac.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:17:11 +0100 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: multi-tap delays References: <2.2.32.19980605195453.00e29544@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HIzwQ.0.LH5.V2xAn"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Essentially a multi-tap looper? I think that's a pretty good idea, actually. > Probably not even that hard to implement. I can also imagine a lot of > interactive control possibilities for it, like moving the tap points in > real-time, controlling level and pan sepeartely for each tap, having effects > applied to each tap individually....could be interesting. I always wondered why nobody ever built a delay footpedal that did this. Or have they? tdb From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 10:41:46 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:45:56 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhzco-0005oK-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:45:54 -0700 From: Message-ID: <6a81d68c.35781f17@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:38:46 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: boomerang idea Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"D_r5P.A._4E.K9Be1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5872 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:45:54 -0700 X-UIDL: d4ab03ab5c95cf81f9a14db633fc1fec what i had always thought of as a short-coming of the rang, the way it attenuates the original loops, the more you stack loops the first ones diminish in volume until they are gone. last nite i was jammin with a friend and we both were going through the rang, i put in some chords and a little bass and a little coloration (accents etc.) and then we played over this loopage. by keeping the stack button (input) depressed we were able to make the loop evolve. the original chords would fade then the bass and so on until there was an entire new base loop. whenever it got interesting i would let up on the stack button and play over the new loop till i wanted to change it again. in all, we went for good while (about 10 mins) with a seamless continually changeing mass (mess) of sound. of course many of the loops were input backwards (still lost in the 60's). this is the first time i had 2 people play into 1 rang and was pleased to see the potential of this set up. so if you gots da rang give this a try. the longer the loop (first) this defines the overall length, the longer it takes to have it evolve with the stack button depressed. this is a wonderful feature of this oh so simple beast. anyone have any other ideas?? rang on.........michael sorry if this is old stuff. From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 10:42:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA08262; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:45:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:45:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006301bd90a4$6a06aaa0$c2b854ce@asint.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Fw: boomerang idea Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:07:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"wzsIy2.0.Uz1.-GuAn"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When my main looper was a Digitech RDS-3600, I used a similar technique. However, instead of a "stack" button, the RDS had a "hold" button. It was very handy to be able to freeze a loop, thaw and change it, and then re-freeze it. You can do the same thing in the "echo" mode on the JamMan by turning the feedback setting from 16 (hold) to 15 or lower (fade). Evolving loops are much more interesting than static loops. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, June 05, 1998 12:45 PM Subject: boomerang idea >what i had always thought of as a short-coming of the rang, the way it >attenuates the original loops, the more you stack loops the first ones >diminish in volume until they are gone. last nite i was jammin with a friend >and we both were going through the rang, i put in some chords and a little >bass and a little coloration (accents etc.) and then we played over this >loopage. by keeping the stack button (input) depressed we were able to make >the loop evolve. the original chords would fade then the bass and so on until >there was an entire new base loop. whenever it got interesting i would let up >on the stack button and play over the new loop till i wanted to change it >again. in all, we went for good while (about 10 mins) with a seamless >continually changeing mass (mess) of sound. From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:45:46 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:08:26 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yi0ue-0004an-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:08:24 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yi0ud-0002DR-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:08:23 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yi0ub-0004aP-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:08:21 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@209.239.34.208 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006301bd90a4$6a06aaa0$c2b854ce@asint.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:59:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Fw: boomerang idea Resent-Message-ID: <"msvy9B.A.yrD.sJDe1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5873 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:08:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 0223e6f376a08407cd025e475cd4c841 Yeah! this is the idea of using feedback as a way to evolve loops, that we were discussing a couple of weeks ago. (and many times before, actually.) The limitation with the boomerang and jamman on this is that you can't set the feedback anywhere you want. You're stuck with the one setting of the boomerang or three (?) on the jamman. Traditional delays always have a knob that lets you set feedback to any level, dynamically. It's a very creative tool for looping. I'm always a bit suprised that many of the newer phrase sampler things don't have it at all. (having that feature was one of the most important things to Matthias when he first designed the echoplex, because he considers it essential for loop based music. He had developed his looping music originally using delays like tc2290 and pcm-42, where this feedback and hold feature was available.) kim >When my main looper was a Digitech RDS-3600, I used a similar technique. >However, instead of a "stack" button, the RDS had a "hold" button. It was >very handy to be able to freeze a loop, thaw and change it, and then >re-freeze it. > >You can do the same thing in the "echo" mode on the JamMan by turning the >feedback setting from 16 (hold) to 15 or lower (fade). > >Evolving loops are much more interesting than static loops. > >Mark Kata >Mark@asisoftware.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Friday, June 05, 1998 12:45 PM >Subject: boomerang idea > > >>what i had always thought of as a short-coming of the rang, the way it >>attenuates the original loops, the more you stack loops the first ones >>diminish in volume until they are gone. last nite i was jammin with a >friend >>and we both were going through the rang, i put in some chords and a little >>bass and a little coloration (accents etc.) and then we played over this >>loopage. by keeping the stack button (input) depressed we were able to make >>the loop evolve. the original chords would fade then the bass and so on >until >>there was an entire new base loop. whenever it got interesting i would let >up >>on the stack button and play over the new loop till i wanted to change it >>again. in all, we went for good while (about 10 mins) with a seamless >>continually changeing mass (mess) of sound. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:45:52 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:31:27 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yi1Gw-0006cR-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:31:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:22:26 -0700 Message-ID: <000E6931.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Boomerang and JamMan regen discussion... To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"TADR_C.A._qF.NgDe1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5874 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:31:26 -0700 X-UIDL: ff90db09919be082ce557d8c1ed22504 A slight correction about JamMan and regeneration or fade... The JamMan in Loop mode only has three fade values. Long, medium and short. These are definitely crude, but still get the job done when you've anticipated their limitations. The JamMan in Delay mode has 16 regen levels. If you're looking for smoother decay of loops these levels, while there are only 16, are much smoother sounding. MIDI control of these values with PGM Chg's give foot control over the decay. Adding a volume pedal at the input of the Jammer allows you to kill input to the unit and still play over the loop. (If you're using it on an aux send.) -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Fw: boomerang idea Author: Kim Flint at INTERNET Date: 6/5/98 10:59 AM Yeah! this is the idea of using feedback as a way to evolve loops, that we were discussing a couple of weeks ago. (and many times before, actually.) The limitation with the boomerang and jamman on this is that you can't set the feedback anywhere you want. You're stuck with the one setting of the boomerang or three (?) on the jamman. Traditional delays always have a knob that lets you set feedback to any level, dynamically. It's a very creative tool for looping. I'm always a bit suprised that many of the newer phrase sampler things don't have it at all. (having that feature was one of the most important things to Matthias when he first designed the echoplex, because he considers it essential for loop based music. He had developed his looping music originally using delays like tc2290 and pcm-42, where this feedback and hold feature was available.) kim From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:47:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA00432; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:15:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:15:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199806051828.LAA21094@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: Fw: boomerang idea Date: Fri, 5 Jun 98 13:29:59 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"JztEo3.0.J.obvAn"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Traditional delays always have a knob >that lets you set feedback to any level, dynamically. It's a very creative >tool for looping. I'm always a bit suprised that many of the newer phrase >sampler things don't have it at all. Wow, I consider this an essential feature for the real-time looper. I'll often have two delay lines set to less than infinite repeat and be feeding both simultaneously in sort of looping-fugue jugglefest. I was thinking about features I'd like to see in new loopers, and I'd like to have the option to set precisely how many repeats I get before the signal vanishes completely. For instance, I'd love to have precisely two repeats at almost full level, as opposed to the traditional feedback implementation where they gradually die off to simulate a real-world echo. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:46:12 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:59:40 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yi2eI-0005f8-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:59:38 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980605195453.00e29544@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:54:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: feedback idea Resent-Message-ID: <"dGWyAC.A.p0E.2zEe1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5875 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:59:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 4ac606fc27b6e08d6d7ddaf35fde59df At 01:29 PM 6/5/98 -0500, T.W. Hartnett wrote: >I was thinking about features I'd like to see in new loopers, and I'd >like to have the option to set precisely how many repeats I get before >the signal vanishes completely. For instance, I'd love to have precisely >two repeats at almost full level, as opposed to the traditional feedback >implementation where they gradually die off to simulate a real-world echo. Essentially a multi-tap looper? I think that's a pretty good idea, actually. Probably not even that hard to implement. I can also imagine a lot of interactive control possibilities for it, like moving the tap points in real-time, controlling level and pan sepeartely for each tap, having effects applied to each tap individually....could be interesting. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:47:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA23675; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:06:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:06:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003a01bd90c0$2bf8fb20$2622dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Suggestions Anyone? Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:26:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"g--HE1.0.Zk5.IDxAn"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there folks! Some weeks ago, it was suggested via this list that I perhaps consider a late musician who had been an early performer on the Theremin (sp?). If I can get information on this person I've still time to put her name / bio on a Loop Of The Week - also, in case anyone else has ideas, here are my main criteria-in-progress: * No political people or partisans of a political nature. * Preferences would of course be in the musician-artist genre. * The person should be or was doing something worthwhile * The dedication should be able to easily accentuate the positive and hopeful within us. So it goes that "No Suicides" is an unfortunate rule, but there it is. Someone had recommended Wendy O. Williams, who sadly left us voluntarily last March, with the assistance of a pistol. While I have to admit that it might have been interesting to say, "We'll never see a woman in a prison film quite like her again," it's just not up this particular niche. I leave the hopeless to the media, which tend to suck this stuff up like water. In the face of famous suicide, I would try especially hard to find someone who enabled or expressed Hope instead. Email replies only, of course. sgoodman@earthlight.net - :) From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:46:30 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:55:38 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yi3WS-0002Vn-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:55:36 -0700 Message-ID: <35785B6C.FFF@dmans.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:56:12 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Rang decay & a random question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"beeOC.A.P2B.XoFe1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5876 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:55:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 28f27fe3e95a55e0418b4ca1a17db25e Hi gang, Just thought I'd through this two cents in. The next software release, which will be compatible with all Rangs, will have 5 decay rates: no decay or infinite hold and 4 others, ranging from the current rather slight decay to more rapid decay rates. Hopefully we will have this ready in about 2 months. I agree with whoever said that a continuously variable knob or pedal to control decay rate would be very cool on a looper. And now the random question. Anyone know of a good place on the net to find lyrics to old tunes? I'm looking for the words to a late 50's/early 60's tune called "Sea Cruise". Oo-wee, baby. All the best, Mike Nelson (a.k.a. Motley) Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 Tel 800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913) Fax 214-343-1038 email mnelson@dmans.com web page http://www.boomerangmusic.com From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:47:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA25915; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:40:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:40:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806052100.RAA00538@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: RE: DJ loopage/shortwave addendum Resent-Message-ID: <"LGGUM3.0.mG6.FjxAn"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com RTTY--radioteletype is another weird one that will provide hours of clean mind-numbing fun . . . bleps and blops I also like to listen to the many fundamentalist Christian (ours) and Islamic(theirs) for really great phrases and timbres (Eno loved 'em too) crackle on Tom OOPS almost forgot the TECH looping stuff--transcribed into a Yamaha SU 10--beefed up with a few loops and yowls from a Texas Instruments Speak and Spell--then pumped thru RDS 8000/Jamman combo to stretch and flanged with a vintage Ross black face ;) >At 08:17 PM 6/2/98 -0700, you wrote: >>I totally dig this. I used to have a shortwave radio when I was a kid and could listen for hours to the noises. I also heard those people (in the 60s) slowly pronouncing these weird monosyllables for long periods of time. I'll look for those URLs. Thanks! >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Damian Abbott [mailto:damian.abbott@mcmail.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 2:22 AM >>To: Loopers Delight >>Subject: DJ loopage/shortwave addendum >> >> >>For a really classic loop experience try scanning the shortwave band for >>a numbers station. These are the stations that the various intelligence >>organisations use to stay in contact with their agents in the field. >>Most have a call sign that repeats constantly for up to an hour or so. >>This is then followed by the body of the message - a voice dictating a >>series of seemingly random numbers. SNIP Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:46:38 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:15:37 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yi3po-0004FU-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:15:36 -0700 Sender: randy@cdac.com Message-ID: <35785E53.C335133C@cdac.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 14:08:35 -0700 From: Randy Reichenbach Organization: Hardly Any X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mnelson@dmans.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Rang decay & a random question References: <35785B6C.FFF@dmans.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8TOgBD.A.SUD.X5Fe1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5877 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:15:36 -0700 X-UIDL: d99cedccab7eb86eb384210f3bd1096c Mikell, You can often find lyrics in the Online Guitar Archive (OLGA) http://www.olga.net/ Or Digital Tradition - a db of 5622 songs: http://pubweb.parc.xerox.com/digitrad/titles Here's Sea Cruise (found thru OLGA): ftp://olga.ntr.net/pub/OLGA/main/f/ford_frankie/sea_cruise.crd Cheers, Randy Mikell D. Nelson wrote: > > Hi gang, > Just thought I'd through this two cents in. The next software release, > which will be compatible with all Rangs, will have 5 decay rates: no > decay or infinite hold and 4 others, ranging from the current rather > slight decay to more rapid decay rates. Hopefully we will have this > ready in about 2 months. > I agree with whoever said that a continuously variable knob or pedal > to control decay rate would be very cool on a looper. > And now the random question. Anyone know of a good place on the net to > find lyrics to old tunes? I'm looking for the words to a late 50's/early > 60's tune called "Sea Cruise". Oo-wee, baby. > > All the best, > > Mike Nelson (a.k.a. Motley) > > Boomerang Musical Products > PO Box 541595 > Dallas, TX 75354-1595 > > Tel 800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913) > Fax 214-343-1038 > email mnelson@dmans.com > web page http://www.boomerangmusic.com -- Peace ... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ====== = Randy Reichenbach randy@cdac.com = // || \\ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= || || || = Physical Design Engineer (VLSI-CAD) = || //\\ || = Duet Technologies = \\//__\\// = 3650 131st Ave SE, Suite 650 = `------' = Bellevue, Washington 98006 = = Tel: 425.643.0200 Fax: 425.649.7600 = ... Get some! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:47:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA28391; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 20:18:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 20:18:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:38:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: we're movin'!! ....sorta... Resent-Message-ID: <"m7kMd1.0.dt6.fGyAn"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Since I have my own domain name, urls and email addresses *DO NOT CHANGE*. >Everything is still annihilist.com. The change should be totally >transparent for all of you. If so, you'll get this message--something which has not happened in months. Here's hopin'.... From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:46:51 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:18:42 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yi5kv-0005F2-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:18:41 -0700 Message-ID: <35787BAA.5261@vvm.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 18:13:46 -0500 From: Ciloc Gee Reply-To: ciloc@vvm.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Bassline CDs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"l3zkED.A.SkE.FvHe1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5878 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:18:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 59cf5b6d11b62c727a171c84aaf11451 Anyone point me to a site to get bassline (real bass, not analog) loops on cd-a or cdrom? I need license-free samples. Ciloc From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:46:53 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:52:29 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yi6Hc-0007hg-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:52:28 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yi6Hd-0007b3-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:52:29 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yi6Ha-0007hX-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:52:26 -0700 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: Boomerang and JamMan regen discussion... Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:44:37 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd90db$e6842760$50014382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"KpM3sD.A.-vG.DOIe1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5879 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:52:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 86a3b22eb035ba1e2fc2416daecf71be Mr Biffle wrote: > A slight correction about JamMan and regeneration or fade... > > The JamMan in Loop mode only has three fade values. Long, medium and > short. These are definitely crude, but still get the job done when > you've anticipated their limitations. Hi all , I have had my jamman for almost 6 months and I didnt even know there EXISTED fade values!! This list is a lifesaver! Now , all i need to know is how do I set the fade values on the Jamman? PS. I`ve been having troubles balancing the input volumes when I put the Vortex in the eff. Loop on my ampifier. Any help on how to do that?? PS. Numero dos: I promise I`m gonna read the manual , one of these days......(I swear to god , that lil` pocket sized lex manual has got a GRIP on me , man!! The other day it made a pass on my girlfriend , and it snores , too!!! ) Yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:47:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA03686; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:12:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:12:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Weird old program Message-ID: <19980605.200349.2223.2.andychu@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 10-12 From: andychu@juno.com (Andy Y Chu) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 20:10:44 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"63WEw2.0.kr.0b8Ur"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Since people have been discussing using shortwave radio for weird sounds, it jogged my memory of this weird old program I used to have. Everyone remember the old 8-bit SoundBlaster? I recall it came with this weird program that was a sort of "therapist" -- you would type in stuff and it would try to respond. It was very crude, but the good thing about it is that it would say (through the speaker) whatever you wanted it to say. You could just type "say blah blah blah" and it would say it, albeit in this weird robotic voice. It was called Doctor something... Anyway that was an amusing little program, and I was searching around for it, but to no avail. Anyone still have it? Anyone even remember what I'm talking about? This was at least 4 years ago. Andy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:47:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA04562; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:34:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:34:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <174A69422993D111A13C00805FFE51B4028297@sjc-msg-01.dns.microsoft.com> From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Weird old program Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:16:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2328.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"qZZbD2.0.P31.Zv8Ur"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mac System Software will do that. If you listen to the new RadioHead CD, there's a robot voice reciting a list of "virtues", it's voice name Fred from the Mac Text to speech control panel. > -----Original Message----- > From: andychu@juno.com [mailto:andychu@juno.com] > Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 5:11 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Weird old program > > > Since people have been discussing using shortwave radio for > weird sounds, > it jogged my memory of this weird old program I used to have. > Everyone > remember the old 8-bit SoundBlaster? I recall it came with this weird > program that was a sort of "therapist" -- you would type in > stuff and it > would try to respond. It was very crude, but the good thing > about it is > that it would say (through the speaker) whatever you wanted > it to say. > You could just type "say blah blah blah" and it would say it, > albeit in > this weird robotic voice. It was called Doctor something... > Anyway that > was an amusing little program, and I was searching around for > it, but to > no avail. Anyone still have it? Anyone even remember what > I'm talking > about? This was at least 4 years ago. > > Andy > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:47:07 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:36:37 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yi6yK-00031A-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:36:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:24:22 -0700 Message-ID: <000E6E1B.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: SV: Boomerang and JamMan regen discussion... To: , Mike.Biffle@wj.com, "Woehni" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"eE8mP.A.kYC.83Ie1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5880 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:36:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 8c0413fa790c04d91e75da7184e97d6d Hi Thomas! I'll get out the trusty manual and see which PGM Chg messages invoke the 3 various fade levels in loop mode, and also look up the PGM Chg's needed to access the various decay levels in Delay mode... best -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: SV: Boomerang and JamMan regen discussion... Author: "Woehni" at INTERNET Date: 6/6/98 1:44 AM Mr Biffle wrote: > A slight correction about JamMan and regeneration or fade... > > The JamMan in Loop mode only has three fade values. Long, medium and > short. These are definitely crude, but still get the job done when > you've anticipated their limitations. Hi all , I have had my jamman for almost 6 months and I didnt even know there EXISTED fade values!! This list is a lifesaver! Now , all i need to know is how do I set the fade values on the Jamman? PS. I`ve been having troubles balancing the input volumes when I put the Vortex in the eff. Loop on my ampifier. Any help on how to do that?? PS. Numero dos: I promise I`m gonna read the manual , one of these days......(I swear to god , that lil` pocket sized lex manual has got a GRIP on me , man!! The other day it made a pass on my girlfriend , and it snores , too!!! ) Yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 01:57:00 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:56:11 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yhljm-0003K1-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:56:10 -0700 From: "Steve Smith" To: Subject: Re: JAMMAN Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:57:32 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd90ee$77e8bec0$5be8d6cc@ssteve.missconet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"2pp73.A.osC.j80d1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5868 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:56:10 -0700 X-UIDL: be1be4010cd6a54fb941b0eae80ec826 -----Original Message----- From: TritoneDW@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, June 04, 1998 7:44 PM Subject: Re: JAMMAN ><do?>> > >Hey Steve, > >Hate to tell you this, but you can't do it. Supposedly the JamMan/MutMax >upgrade that Bob Sellon is working on will allow up to 120 sec (with some >hardware changes), but it seems no one on the list, including myself, can get >ahold of him to find out about getting this upgrade. Seems to be in some sort >of beta cycle right now. > >Good luck, and if you figure something out, please let us know. > >Drew Wheeler Hey Drew Thanks for the reply. I'm new to this forum stuff. Had my jamman for over a year now and was glad to see some info on possibly upgrading. Best Regards Steve Smith > From ???@??? Sat Jun 06 11:47:12 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 03:07:14 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yiFsX-0000mP-00; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 03:07:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199806061004.GAA27980@mail.his.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 04:30:27 +0200 From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Tonr Live on Star;s End Resent-Message-ID: <"CM7WY.A.Xk.xQRe1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5883 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 03:07:13 -0700 X-UIDL: d3999b51705c5a66a22f2d93afd89b85 Good morning Looper's, I just saw this on the ambient newsgroups & thought that some of you, or rather most of you would be interested in this... Patrick > > Of special note to those out of the Star's End radio broadcast range > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > This Saurday night (June 6th)/Sunday morning (June 7th) from 01:00AM to > 06:00AM EDST, the 06.07.98 edition of the Star's End radio show will be > simulcast on the World Wide Web via RealAudio. The transmission will > originate from WXPN Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, located in the eastern time > zone of the USA. > > During the hour prior to the 06.07.98 internet broadcast, an audio signal > will be sent out from this site enabling you to test your system. The audio > signal will consist of music from the CD "The Relic" by Chuck van Zyl. > > To hear the 06.07.98 internet broadcast of Star's End this Saturday night, > go to the "Update" page of the Star's End website. http://www.starsend.org > > In order to receive this special broadcast on your computer, you will need > RealAudio Player 5.0 which is available free from the RealAudio website at > http://www.real.com > > Many thanks to Len Pikulski of Nothin' But Net for making the first Star's > End World Wide Web broadcast possible. > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Notes About The Next Star's End Broadcast 06.07.98 > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > This week member supported WXPN will be holding the summer fund drive. All > fundraising activities will have been concluded by the time Star's End airs > late Saturday night. > > As a way of thanking past fund drive supporters, music featured on Star's > End this weekend will be selected from the vast collection of live concerts > in the Star's End archive of recorded spacemusic. All of the music > presented on this weekend's special broadcast is unreleased and > commercially unavailable. > > Artists and recordings are as follows: > > -Radio Massacre International recorded live at Northern Echo January 1995 > RMI are constantly making music in this London studio, often at a rate > surpassing the volume their label (Centaur Discs) can release. To keep up > with the output, RMI occasionally releases a limited edition CD of > exceptional sessions. "Gulf" is one such CD and a lengthy excerpt will be > featured on Star's End this evening. > > -Steve Roach recorded live at Star's End Gathering 12 September 19, 1998 > The release party for Roach's last solo CD, "On This Planet", was held > after his Star's End Gathering concert in Philadelphia, PA. The concert, > lasting over two hours, featured live renditions of tracks from "On This > Planet" and beyond. The entire concert airs on Star's End this weekend. > > -David Torn recorded live at Star's End Gathering 13 March 7, 1998 > Torn's concert was cut short by circumstances beyond our control. What we > did experience at his Gathering performance was an extraordinary event, > unique in every aspect, captured live on tape and brought to you on this > special edition of Star's End. > > -van Zyl, Gulch, Rath recorded live at Star's End Gathering 3 December 9, 1995 > Performing as Xisle, this Philadelphia trio helped get the Gathering > concert series established. The Domain of Arhiem was the encore at > Gathering 3 and to be featured here. > > -Robert Rich recorded live at Star's End Gathering 7 on November 1st, 1996 > Rich toured North America extensively summer/fall '96, stopping in > Philadelphia twice, once for a sleep concert live on Star's End and then > for this Gathering performance. Star's End will feature the encore from > Gathering 6, Rich's only encore on the tour. > > -Jeff Greinke recorded live at Another Room on June 26, 1997 > No recording was made of Greinke's May 8th, 1994 Gathering performance. We > are fortunate to feature here a studio recreation of a piece performed at > Gathering 2. > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > For more about the Star's End Gatherings concert series: > http://www.starsend.org > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > "Star's End" broadcasts every Saturday night/Sunday morning from 1am-6am on: > > 88.5fm WXPN Philadelphia, PA > 88.1fm WXPH Harrisburg, PA > 90.5fm Worton/Baltimore, MD > 104.9fm Allentown, PA > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Chuck van Zyl > Host: Star's End, WXPN Philiadelphia > http://www.starsend.org > chuckv@starsend.org > -- > Politics is not the art of persuasion, it's the science of selfishness. > "Speeding down the misinformation superhighway" > Big Brother is not watching you, you're watching Big Brother, all 181 channels -- Fingerpaint Web Site: www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP From ???@??? Sat Jun 06 11:47:14 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 03:14:51 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yiFzu-0001DM-00; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 03:14:50 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 04:37:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Torn Live Resent-Message-ID: <"y375kC.A.-6.sXRe1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5884 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 03:14:50 -0700 X-UIDL: e96db0ae45c1d26eddf9993bcb356f05 Previous message was my usual bad typing...David Torn Live on Star's End.....it's too damn early on a Saturday to be sitting here typing pondering question;s like purple covers on BLUE releases..... Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE From ???@??? Sat Jun 06 11:47:15 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 03:17:51 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yiG2o-0001Uf-00; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 03:17:50 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 04:40:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE Resent-Message-ID: <"CXHSS.A.PFB.6ZRe1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5885 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 03:17:50 -0700 X-UIDL: a9969d12ff89117d5369206348d55f82 >>On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Patrick Smith wrote: >> >>> Hey Fellow Loopers, check this out....... >>> >>> Now Available from FNGP Records is the long awaited first CD release from >>> FingerPaint, Primary Colors: BLUE. Ths 72 minute release is the first of a >>> box set featuring FingerPaint's dark and dreamy aural interpretations of >>> Blue. FingerPaint continues to explore the edges of live looping techniques >>> and textural improvisations, producing a music that is cinematic in scope. >>> Let FingerPaint take your heart and mind on a journey. >> >>Indeed! I've had the fortune to have already snatched up a copy and I >>highly recommend it to all lovers of loopage. >> >>-Adam > >I second that! Nice stuff guys! been enjoying it. > >Although, I've had trouble with the cover. It looks fantastic, but its >purple, and NOT blue! I'm sure this must have some deep meaning. I've been >staring and staring at it, hoping it would somehow come to me.....;-) > >kim > Keep staring Kim.........eventually the "mystical" message will be revealed to you......... Patrick "purple tongue in cheek" Smith Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:47:18 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:00:38 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yiB5p-0007Gl-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:00:37 -0700 From: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:56:39 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: boomerang idea Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"poD8M.A.OlG.2wMe1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5881 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:00:37 -0700 X-UIDL: a708dff0b5723a32bc001c7b4fac92d6 The set-up that I'm using with my little Korg DL8000 works like this, too (I just described in a recent posting...)--I set the feedback amount (roughly) with the expression pedal position (anywhere from Inf. to 0), then I can hit hold to freeze it, un-hold to return to set level, and reduce/increase the level with the pedal. dpc From ???@??? Fri Jun 05 23:48:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA13602; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:58:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:58:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001601bd9110$058a5ce0$6423dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Weird old program Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:57:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"VyCmz1.0.YG3.qfDUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This ultimately became known as Text-To-Speech, and I remember it being included in the Standard disk set back then. I would think it'd be on Creative's web site, http://www.creaf.com if not let me know. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week, Phil Hartman)! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Sat Jun 06 02:43:55 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 02:41:29 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yiFTc-0007hO-00; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 02:41:28 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 02:36:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE Resent-Message-ID: <"DqG2cC.A.w5G.p3Qe1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5882 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 02:41:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 93102b73f39d1c1ff826757bddcd027a >On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Patrick Smith wrote: > >> Hey Fellow Loopers, check this out....... >> >> Now Available from FNGP Records is the long awaited first CD release from >> FingerPaint, Primary Colors: BLUE. Ths 72 minute release is the first of a >> box set featuring FingerPaint's dark and dreamy aural interpretations of >> Blue. FingerPaint continues to explore the edges of live looping techniques >> and textural improvisations, producing a music that is cinematic in scope. >> Let FingerPaint take your heart and mind on a journey. > >Indeed! I've had the fortune to have already snatched up a copy and I >highly recommend it to all lovers of loopage. > >-Adam I second that! Nice stuff guys! been enjoying it. Although, I've had trouble with the cover. It looks fantastic, but its purple, and NOT blue! I'm sure this must have some deep meaning. I've been staring and staring at it, hoping it would somehow come to me.....;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 06 11:47:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA21455; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 08:19:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 08:19:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 08:19:04 -0500 From: Steven Hardy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: remove me -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"7iju11.0.mC5.0FJUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Lori, I really want to get off this list too. Were you able to do it? Please tell me how. I'm talking about looper's delight or whatever it's called. Thanks. Steve >>> LORI 06/01/98 10:18pm >>> Please remove me. This list is way too big, with not enough info. looperanne@earthlink.net From ???@??? Sat Jun 06 11:47:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA25417; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:40:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:40:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:39:52 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Weird old program Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"nmT-r1.0.2C6.EJLUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 98-06-05 20:12:31 EDT, you write: << I recall it came with this weird program that was a sort of "therapist" -- you would type in stuff and it would try to respond. It was very crude, but the good thing about it is that it would say (through the speaker) whatever you wanted it to say. You could just type "say blah blah blah" and it would say it, albeit in this weird robotic voice. >> Hey, if you find it, let me know (or post it to the list!). I found (doing a search for "text to speech") a program in shareware that did just that - I can't remember the name of the program, but I picked one at random from America Online's software library, and I had a few to choose from. It's not bad - about 300k - if you don't find the one you're looking for, let me know and I'll send you this one. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 06 11:47:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA26034; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:52:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:52:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <357957F4.279D5BFE@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 10:53:40 -0400 From: Jeff & Mary Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: remove me -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cPPY01.0.XK6.vTLUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steven Hardy wrote: > Hi Lori, > I really want to get off this list too. Were you able to do it? Please tell me > how. I'm talking about looper's delight or whatever it's called. Thanks. > Steve > > >>> LORI 06/01/98 10:18pm >>> > Please remove me. This list is way too big, with not enough info. > > looperanne@earthlink.net From ???@??? Sat Jun 06 11:47:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA24549; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:24:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:24:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:24:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: B.L.U.E. (the other one) Resent-Message-ID: <"wr-tg1.0.Rz5.N3LUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Now that I'm back on, let me ask you folks where the heck I can find the Bruford-Levin CD? I must've looked in every store in NYC. Would rather avoid mail, but whatever.... David Myers From ???@??? Sat Jun 06 11:47:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA29554; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:52:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:52:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 11:52:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806061652.LAA00862@mail2.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Theorem 5 : at the Wong Art Bar, San Antonio Resent-Message-ID: <"71y_x3.0.lB7.rENUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello fellow list members, i (james rhodes) will be playing a duet with flaminco guitarist Scott Harris . we will be playing as Theorem 5. at the Wong Art Bar at the Wong Spot. 1203 E. Commerce, San Antonio, TX. (210) 475-0771. there will be a $2.00 cover and its "Pint Night" at The Wong Spot. there is always very outstanding original art for view, and sale. so any of you drinkers, with a looping problem, please come out. A Sound Canvas of Chapman Stick(r) and Guitar. thanks for ya time, james From ???@??? Sat Jun 06 11:47:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA29941; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 13:04:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 13:04:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: klaw@iglou.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980605195453.00e29544@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: feedback idea Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 13:04:17 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <"i4Ikm.0.8I7.BQNUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Eventide DSP/GTR 4000s have got great multitap loopers in stereo with very long delay times(now with tap tempo capabilty from a new c timer module tied to the system crystal)Its really cool having these long multitap structures inside the loop. BTW my long promised Eventide looping report for the LD site is waiting to be htmld by my wife(ace web site designer)watch for it soon, alot of exciting looping developements in new software vers. and Alchemy PCMCIA card. K LAW >At 01:29 PM 6/5/98 -0500, T.W. Hartnett wrote: > >>I was thinking about features I'd like to see in new loopers, and I'd >>like to have the option to set precisely how many repeats I get before >>the signal vanishes completely. For instance, I'd love to have precisely >>two repeats at almost full level, as opposed to the traditional feedback >>implementation where they gradually die off to simulate a real-world echo. > > >Essentially a multi-tap looper? I think that's a pretty good idea, actually. >Probably not even that hard to implement. I can also imagine a lot of >interactive control possibilities for it, like moving the tap points in >real-time, controlling level and pan sepeartely for each tap, having effects >applied to each tap individually....could be interesting. > >kim >________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 >Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com >http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 06 11:47:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA30305; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 13:13:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 13:13:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980606171505.3072.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:15:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Jones Subject: LoopersDelightHell. Was remove me To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"F4R5I1.0.MO7.jYNUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please don't give the secret unscubscribe info out anymore. We who delight in Loopers can use the remove me people for our our pleasure/pain fun, dragging them all down into the Loopers Delight Hell. Listen Up Crackers, YOU HERE, YOU STUPID, YOU STAY... HA, HA, HA, HA The Devil Himself ---Steven Hardy wrote: > > Hi Lori, > I really want to get off this list too. Were you able to do it? Please tell me > how. I'm talking about looper's delight or whatever it's called. Thanks. > Steve > > >>> LORI 06/01/98 10:18pm >>> > Please remove me. This list is way too big, with not enough info. > > looperanne@earthlink.net > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 06 12:23:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA01103; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:11:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:11:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Weird old program Message-ID: <19980606.150356.2343.1.andychu@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-11,17-21 From: andychu@juno.com (Andy Y Chu) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 15:10:49 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"g_JGv3.0.AF.PHPUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hey, if you find it, let me know (or post it to the list!). > >I found (doing a search for "text to speech") a program in shareware >that did >just that - I can't remember the name of the program, but I picked one >at >random from America Online's software library, and I had a few to >choose from. >It's not bad - about 300k - if you don't find the one you're looking >for, let >me know and I'll send you this one. Thanks, that was a good idea. I downloaded 2, WinSpeech and VM, but they both don't seem to work all that well. If you weren't looking at the text on the screen, you probably couldn't understand all the words. The SB one worked much better, and it had more character. And yeah, to the person who brought it up, I think it was the Radiohead CD that reminded me of it. That sounds almost exactly like the SB one. I'm going to go look on the Creative web site for it now. Andy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From ???@??? Sat Jun 06 12:32:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA02175; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:31:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:31:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kmistove@mail.eclipse.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:30:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Mistove Subject: Re: B.L.U.E. (the other one) Resent-Message-ID: <"9luR71.0.uV.kZPUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David, You won't find it in stores. Check out Tony Levin's web site for details. The page with ordering info is http://papabear.com/pbcat.htm. >Now that I'm back on, let me ask you folks where the heck I can find the >Bruford-Levin CD? I must've looked in every store in NYC. Would rather >avoid mail, but whatever.... Ken Ken Mistove kmistove@eclipse.net My music and other stuff: http://www.eclipse.net/~kmistove/ King Crimson music (Elephant Tape): http://www.geocities.com/~kenzak/etape/ From ???@??? Sat Jun 06 15:04:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA03556; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 16:15:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 16:15:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3579B707.2D5C@efn.org> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 13:39:19 -0800 From: Peter Harlan X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: pharlan@efn.org Subject: Re: remove me -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YukM-.0.dr.wCQUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm sorry, but I have to say that this is the STUPIDEST message yet from a would-be unsubscriber. Hey Steve: If she had unsubscribed, she wouldn't be able to read your message! Otherwise, she'd be able to read it, but wouldn't be able to help you! Sheesh! Steven Hardy wrote: > > Hi Lori, > I really want to get off this list too. Were you able to do it? Please tell me > how. I'm talking about looper's delight or whatever it's called. Thanks. > Steve > > >>> LORI 06/01/98 10:18pm >>> > Please remove me. This list is way too big, with not enough info. > > looperanne@earthlink.net From ???@??? Sat Jun 06 15:04:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA04473; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 16:47:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 16:47:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 16:47:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Lexicon MPX 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"0xVlN.0.r31.ChQUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This thing finally shipped, and I picked one up yesterday at Manny's for $219.95. The low budget effects wars are over! Zoom and Alesis can pack up and go home--the MPX 100 totally kicks ass, and loopers will note a 5.7 sec delay time. Haven't yet dug into it deeply, but the sound is Lex, and you've got everything from those creamy reverbs to pitch shifting to Leslie stuff (some multiple), true stereo or 2 independent processors, digital output, and probably pretty serious looping--how do these guys do it? Hope to hear from some other MPX 100 owners.... David Myers From ???@??? Sat Jun 06 15:04:19 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:03:00 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yiR3D-0006Iz-00; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:02:59 -0700 From: Message-ID: <82b6dafb.3579bb5b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:57:45 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX 100 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"pDxe2B.A.doF.Gube1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5886 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:02:59 -0700 X-UIDL: c9019658dac00a4d5784db90a91c287b <> I really want one of these. just one question--are there use slots, or is it all presets? The Lex website said there would be 16 user slots, but I talked to someone who said it was just presets. Thanks, Drew From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 00:30:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA06924; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:15:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:15:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <308879ad.3579bf4c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:14:35 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX 100 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"OgqGi3.0.Sg1.izRUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/29 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 98-06-06 16:48:01 EDT, you write: << This thing finally shipped, and I picked one up yesterday at Manny's for $219.95. The low budget effects wars are over! Zoom and Alesis can pack up and go home--the MPX 100 totally kicks ass, and loopers will note a 5.7 sec delay time. Haven't yet dug into it deeply, but the sound is Lex, and you've got everything from those creamy reverbs to pitch shifting to Leslie stuff (some multiple), true stereo or 2 independent processors, digital output, and probably pretty serious looping--how do these guys do it? Hope to hear from some other MPX 100 owners.... >> One on it's way to me via UPS as we speak! I should be able to put in a report next week... Ken R From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 00:30:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA03301; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 19:29:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 19:29:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 19:28:33 -0400 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199806062328.AA16531@world.std.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Rang decay & a random question Resent-Message-ID: <"VVHMX.0.wi.Q2TUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > And now the random question. Anyone know of a good place on the net to >find lyrics to old tunes? I'm looking for the words to a late 50's/early >60's tune called "Sea Cruise". Oo-wee, baby. Here's what I do: Pick some memorable phrase from the lyrics (assuming you remember any of it at all) that you can't imagine anyone ever using outside of those lyrics. Go to http://www.altavista.digital.com For your search, enter your phrase in quotes, e.g.: "these are words with a d this time" It is best to search for a string of words that would appear on one line of a lyric sheet (not across multiple lines), due to possible problems with how they format the text. (But you can try a multiline quote if you want). Don't capitalize any of the words, or AV will look for exactly that capitalization. The only problem is that you have to remember the words precisely, word-for-word, and whoever typed them in needs to have not misspelled them. here are some sample results: "writing the words to a sermon" 6 hits (i didn't check them all to see if they were full lyrics, but it's best to pick a line that's not from the chorus or first verse, as you may hit guitar tab or such that only has the first verse and chorus) "i don't know much about science" 11 hits, only one of which was the song I was looking for "but my bee stung tongue" 8 hits, most of which were the lyrics (note that the actual texts say 'bee-stung', but altavista does the right thing in this case), a couple were reviews quoting this phrase Sean PS: King Crimson, Elephant Talk The Beatles, Eleanor Rigby Lisa Germano, My Secret Reason Belly, The Bees From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 00:30:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA05898; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 19:53:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 19:53:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3579D76C.B9A1C906@cybercomm.nl> Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 01:57:33 +0200 From: "Frank Th. Dekker" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Weird old program (dr SBAITSO!) References: <19980605.200349.2223.2.andychu@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"A7c--2.0.2Q1.KPTUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com (I joined this list yesterday. Don't blame me -yet- for being off-topic) The program Andy mentiones is called dr. Sbaitso, which came with the 8-bit Soundblaster Pro sound card. The progam works fine on my Soundblaster 64 and it's as much fun getting him to squeak "I might get parity error if you keep on talking like this" as it was back then. Also included was a program called SBTALK, which could "read" an ASCII-file. I remember having it read my autoexec.bat... Being hilarious was easy in those days (1973 or so, wasn't it?) You might also remember the (Norwegian?) blue parrot that laughed in a user-defined pitch whenever you hit a key. I bet Creative Labs has the three of them lying aroud somewhere. "Memory contents will be wiped off after you leave", dFD. Andy Y Chu wrote: > Since people have been discussing using shortwave radio for weird sounds, > it jogged my memory of this weird old program I used to have. Everyone > remember the old 8-bit SoundBlaster? I recall it came with this weird > program that was a sort of "therapist" -- you would type in stuff and it > would try to respond. It was very crude, but the good thing about it is > that it would say (through the speaker) whatever you wanted it to say. > You could just type "say blah blah blah" and it would say it, albeit in > this weird robotic voice. It was called Doctor something... Anyway that > was an amusing little program, and I was searching around for it, but to > no avail. Anyone still have it? Anyone even remember what I'm talking > about? This was at least 4 years ago. From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 00:30:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA09451; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:53:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:53:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3579F3F7.60BD@dmans.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 20:59:19 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Thanks for the lyrics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"daQTY3.0.fH2.FAVUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks to all for Sea Cruise lyrics. Motley From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 00:31:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA04321; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 03:17:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 03:17:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 03:16:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #1 In-Reply-To: <199806070706.DAA32084@luis.yourwebhost.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"-dQxR2.0.101.gvZUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Kim, Any idea why I'm now getting the digest in addition to the (personally preferred) regular bounce mode messages? -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 01:14:01 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 00:52:09 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yiaFM-00079f-00; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 00:52:08 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@209.239.34.208 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199806070706.DAA32084@luis.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 00:46:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #1 Resent-Message-ID: <"WErb8C.A.-hG.PWke1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5887 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 00:52:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 4c6bd0cf90266713c4aa291437e4603c At 12:16 AM -0700 6/7/98, Adam Levin wrote: >Hey Kim, > >Any idea why I'm now getting the digest in addition to the (personally >preferred) regular bounce mode messages? > You're getting the digest because......the digest version is finally working again!!!! That's right, after 8 weeks of getting nowhere with the idiots at slip.net, I moved the whole shebang to a new ISP (they are called Alabanza). The new place appears to have their shit together, so the digest now works! As far as how you managed to get on both lists, I have no idea. If you want to unsubscribe from the digest version, send email with the word "subscribe" in the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com Or, if you want to subscribe to the digest, do the same thing but with "subscribe" in the subject and body. You might want to wait a couple days to do it, actually, because the new location for annihilist.com has not quite propagated to every domain name server on the internet. So if your DNS hasn't switched yet, you might end up subscribing/unsubscribing to the old non-functional digest on the old non-functional ISP. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 01:25:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA18282; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 03:55:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 03:55:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980607025637.008087d0@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 02:56:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #1 In-Reply-To: References: <199806070706.DAA32084@luis.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MqtSX2.0.fP4.XTaUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com KIDDING MODE ON: Hey Kim, How can I unsubscribe to the digest version?????? Please respond via carrier pidgeon..... OR.... Please e-mail between 4 and 6pm, otherwise my computer might be off and I may miss your response... KIDDING MODE OFF PS: You may have to explain to everyone again about the new server, etc.... At 03:16 AM 6/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hey Kim, > >Any idea why I'm now getting the digest in addition to the (personally >preferred) regular bounce mode messages? > > >-Adam > >--- > "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, > out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one > becomes a Hearer." > - Chandrakirti > > T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t > http://www.darkaether.net/ > > > From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 01:30:26 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:18:43 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yiaf4-000074-00; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:18:42 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:09:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: oooooops!! Resent-Message-ID: <"MwPS_C.A.uMH.3rke1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5888 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:18:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 5331ffdb0adfbee8955441187827979c In regards to the digest y'all just got, my mistake. Sorry! I transfered the wrong distribution list to the digest directory while moving everything to the new server. Should be fixed now, no need to do any unsubscribing. thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 12:25:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA09376; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 11:14:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 11:14:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <99ad393c.357aae40@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 11:14:07 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: (dr SBAITSO!) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"P1c221.0.QE2.NvgUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 98-06-06 19:53:44 EDT, you write: << The program Andy mentiones is called dr. Sbaitso, which came with the 8-bit Soundblaster Pro sound card. The progam works fine on my Soundblaster 64 and it's as much fun getting him to squeak "I might get parity error if you keep on talking like this" as it was back then. >> you wouldn't happen to HAVE this program, would you? I checked Creative Labs American web site and couldn't find any programs to download.... - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 21:50:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA12519; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:54:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:54:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:20:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Any AXON user loopers out there? Resent-Message-ID: <"oJzwp1.0.p13.iOpUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >if any AXON users - in particular the AXON 100 - are out there in looper >land, and wouldn't mind offering me some insight into this product, please >email me direct > >thanks >gerry >manda@norlink.net Hi Gerry, I don't have an Axon, but there's a review in this months Sound on Sound if your interested. I have not read it yet. You should also try the Digital Guitar newsletter. I do not have there address handy, but Paolo is on this list, so I suspect you'll here from him soon. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 12:25:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA31343; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:42:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:42:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 11:44:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: JamMan regen discussion Resent-Message-ID: <"nXrgb.0.0X7.5yjUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >my FX chain terminates in a stereo chorus. One of the outputs goes to one >amp input. the other goes to a footswitch - basically a DOD distortion >pedal with the o/p level turned all the way down - that passes/stops the >signal. This goes into the JM's Left input. > >the JM is set in DELAY mode with a feedback level 1 and MIX all the way to >the right - ie it produces one repeat only. The signal goes from the Left >output to the other amp input. The signal goes from the Right output to a >volume pedal and back into to Right input. OK so far? > >This means that I have 3 footswitches - tap, input bypass and output bypass >- and a volume pedal to control the feedback in real time. It also >provides for Replace-style functions by dropping the feedback to zero; this >way all 3 JM loop functions (mute/layer/replace) are provided for, TAP will >alter the loop time in midloop, and it's easy to shift the JM's function >from a loop to a delay real quickly. Mondo control. The only thing I >don't have is multiple loops, which I never used anyway. > Michael, this is brilliant! I've got to try this out. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 21:50:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA03032; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:27:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:27:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002c01bd9249$f8d330e0$898232cc@manda> From: "Gerry P" To: Subject: Re: Tonr Live on Star;s End Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:25:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"-7XqE2.0.qh.T6oUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone catch this show? i am sorry i missed it. does anyone know of any archive concert links that would have d torn in concert? even a sampling of a concert? i have never caught one yet but would very much like to. thanks in advance gerry p -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Smith To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 10:09 AM Subject: Tonr Live on Star;s End >Good morning Looper's, > >I just saw this on the ambient newsgroups & thought that some of you, or >rather most of you would be interested in this... > >Patrick > >> >> Of special note to those out of the Star's End radio broadcast range >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . >> >> This Saurday night (June 6th)/Sunday morning (June 7th) from 01:00AM to >> 06:00AM EDST, the 06.07.98 edition of the Star's End radio show will be >> simulcast on the World Wide Web via RealAudio. The transmission will >> originate from WXPN Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, located in the eastern time >> zone of the USA. >> >> During the hour prior to the 06.07.98 internet broadcast, an audio signal >> will be sent out from this site enabling you to test your system. The audio >> signal will consist of music from the CD "The Relic" by Chuck van Zyl. >> >> To hear the 06.07.98 internet broadcast of Star's End this Saturday night, >> go to the "Update" page of the Star's End website. http://www.starsend.org >> >> In order to receive this special broadcast on your computer, you will need >> RealAudio Player 5.0 which is available free from the RealAudio website at >> http://www.real.com >> >> Many thanks to Len Pikulski of Nothin' But Net for making the first Star's >> End World Wide Web broadcast possible. >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . >> >> Notes About The Next Star's End Broadcast 06.07.98 >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . >> >> This week member supported WXPN will be holding the summer fund drive. All >> fundraising activities will have been concluded by the time Star's End airs >> late Saturday night. >> >> As a way of thanking past fund drive supporters, music featured on Star's >> End this weekend will be selected from the vast collection of live concerts >> in the Star's End archive of recorded spacemusic. All of the music >> presented on this weekend's special broadcast is unreleased and >> commercially unavailable. >> >> Artists and recordings are as follows: >> >> -Radio Massacre International recorded live at Northern Echo January 1995 >> RMI are constantly making music in this London studio, often at a rate >> surpassing the volume their label (Centaur Discs) can release. To keep up >> with the output, RMI occasionally releases a limited edition CD of >> exceptional sessions. "Gulf" is one such CD and a lengthy excerpt will be >> featured on Star's End this evening. >> >> -Steve Roach recorded live at Star's End Gathering 12 September 19, 1998 >> The release party for Roach's last solo CD, "On This Planet", was held >> after his Star's End Gathering concert in Philadelphia, PA. The concert, >> lasting over two hours, featured live renditions of tracks from "On This >> Planet" and beyond. The entire concert airs on Star's End this weekend. >> >> -David Torn recorded live at Star's End Gathering 13 March 7, 1998 >> Torn's concert was cut short by circumstances beyond our control. What we >> did experience at his Gathering performance was an extraordinary event, >> unique in every aspect, captured live on tape and brought to you on this >> special edition of Star's End. >> >> -van Zyl, Gulch, Rath recorded live at Star's End Gathering 3 December >9, 1995 >> Performing as Xisle, this Philadelphia trio helped get the Gathering >> concert series established. The Domain of Arhiem was the encore at >> Gathering 3 and to be featured here. >> >> -Robert Rich recorded live at Star's End Gathering 7 on November 1st, 1996 >> Rich toured North America extensively summer/fall '96, stopping in >> Philadelphia twice, once for a sleep concert live on Star's End and then >> for this Gathering performance. Star's End will feature the encore from >> Gathering 6, Rich's only encore on the tour. >> >> -Jeff Greinke recorded live at Another Room on June 26, 1997 >> No recording was made of Greinke's May 8th, 1994 Gathering performance. We >> are fortunate to feature here a studio recreation of a piece performed at >> Gathering 2. >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . >> >> For more about the Star's End Gatherings concert series: >> http://www.starsend.org >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . >> >> "Star's End" broadcasts every Saturday night/Sunday morning from 1am-6am on: >> >> 88.5fm WXPN Philadelphia, PA >> 88.1fm WXPH Harrisburg, PA >> 90.5fm Worton/Baltimore, MD >> 104.9fm Allentown, PA >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . >> >> Chuck van Zyl >> Host: Star's End, WXPN Philiadelphia >> http://www.starsend.org >> chuckv@starsend.org >> -- >> Politics is not the art of persuasion, it's the science of selfishness. >> "Speeding down the misinformation superhighway" >> Big Brother is not watching you, you're watching Big Brother, all 181 channels > >-- >Fingerpaint Web Site: www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP > From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 12:25:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA19023; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 07:02:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 07:02:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980607124842.22d76834@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 12:48:42 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: JamMan regen discussion In-Reply-To: <000E6931.----@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ckHc22.0.pb4.PCdUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The JamMan in Loop mode only has three fade values. Long, medium and > short. These are definitely crude, but still get the job done when > you've anticipated their limitations. > > The JamMan in Delay mode has 16 regen levels. If you're looking for > smoother decay of loops these levels, while there are only 16, are > much smoother sounding. MIDI control of these values with PGM Chg's > give foot control over the decay. > > Adding a volume pedal at the input of the Jammer allows you to kill > input to the unit and still play over the loop. (If you're using it on > an aux send.) As mentioned before , here's an alternative way of setting up your jamman, or at least here's how I set up mine: my FX chain terminates in a stereo chorus. One of the outputs goes to one amp input. the other goes to a footswitch - basically a DOD distortion pedal with the o/p level turned all the way down - that passes/stops the signal. This goes into the JM's Left input. the JM is set in DELAY mode with a feedback level 1 and MIX all the way to the right - ie it produces one repeat only. The signal goes from the Left output to the other amp input. The signal goes from the Right output to a volume pedal and back into to Right input. OK so far? This means that I have 3 footswitches - tap, input bypass and output bypass - and a volume pedal to control the feedback in real time. It also provides for Replace-style functions by dropping the feedback to zero; this way all 3 JM loop functions (mute/layer/replace) are provided for, TAP will alter the loop time in midloop, and it's easy to shift the JM's function from a loop to a delay real quickly. Mondo control. The only thing I don't have is multiple loops, which I never used anyway. The only drawback is that you have to spend time balancing the "input" and "output" levels - about 2 o'clock and 12 o'clock work for me. And surprisingly, noise doesn't seem to be a major factor even though the signal is constantly shifting between digital and analogue. Next step? Since the whole of the looped sgnal comes out of the box before feeding back, there's an ideal spot for inserting some in-loop FX ..... Michael Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Griff raised his stunted barber's pole. "And where do you think you are going with your old black bag?" Grandpa said: "I am going to Llangadock to be buried" "But you aren't dead yet, Dai Thomas" -Dylan Thomas --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 21:50:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA11123; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:19:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:19:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001001bd9251$4e6cc780$e98232cc@manda> From: "Gerry P" To: Subject: Any AXON user loopers out there? Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:17:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"aLudb2.0.yh2.ftoUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com if any AXON users - in particular the AXON 100 - are out there in looper land, and wouldn't mind offering me some insight into this product, please email me direct thanks gerry manda@norlink.net From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 21:50:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA08436; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:53:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:53:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:42:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199806072042.QAA16127@sleepy.ebtech.net> X-Sender: stevens@mail.ebtech.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: stevens@ebtech.net (Jane/Mike Stevens) Subject: Equipment for sale of interest to loopers X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"cTt2a3.0.K02.DtlUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry for the commercial interruption, I just figured I'd give the list first dibs on this stuff. For sale: 1 lexicon jam man - maximum memory with foot switch & manual 1 lexicon vortex with manual and foot switch 1 tc electronics G force guitar processor with manuals Best offer gets the gear All gear is like new and will be shipped from Michigan. Please reply off list to stevens@ebtech.net or Ph/fax 519 869 8175 Thankyou Mike From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 21:50:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA06707; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:52:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:52:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005b01bd9256$2e611900$5522dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Rang decay & a random question Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 13:52:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"KZh6_3.0.oX1.erlUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I found a good online source for lyrics at http://www.lyricshq.com - it's mostly "hit" songs, but if you do a search via index for just the word "lyrics" you'll find more... Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week, Clara Rockmore)! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 21:50:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA31339; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:07:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:07:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <82b6dafb.3579bb5b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:08:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"G8lCF1.0._c7.2ClUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There are indeed 16 user slots, besides the 240 presets. The level of editing is not extensive, but Lex has made really good use of the "adjust" knob approach; it works in different ways depending on the patch. Will have to postpone a really detailed investigation a few days, but will post.... David Myers >I really want one of these. just one question--are there use slots, or is it >all presets? The Lex website said there would be 16 user slots, but I talked >to someone who said it was just presets. > >Thanks, > >Drew From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 21:50:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA28605; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 18:28:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 18:28:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 18:27:45 -0400 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199806072227.AA11323@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan regen discussion Resent-Message-ID: <"8BwDR1.0.cv6.UFnUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >the JM is set in DELAY mode with a feedback level 1 and MIX all the way to >the right - ie it produces one repeat only. The signal goes from the Left >output to the other amp input. The signal goes from the Right output to a >volume pedal and back into to Right input. [snip] >The only drawback is that you have to spend time balancing the "input" and >"output" levels - about 2 o'clock and 12 o'clock work for me. And >surprisingly, noise doesn't seem to be a major factor even though the >signal is constantly shifting between digital and analogue. A cleaner solution if you can live with only 16 settings of feedback, I would think, would be to use an expression pedal and some kind of MIDI filter that converts continuous controller values to the appropriate program change messages (why the JamMan doesn't just do this in the first place? we'll never know). I don't know how much of an advantage having the nice continuous feedback changes instead of the discrete steps is, though, in terms of smooth changes when you set them. Personally, I much prefer just turning the feedback knob to 13 or whatever, because then I get a rate of fade that I know exactly what it is. (I.e., I'll be playing along and think, oh, I want stuff to fade out faster, probably at 11 or so.) If the continuous control had some kind of digital readout (perhaps the plex does), that would cover that need, but I don't see how you could reasonably do that if you're using an analog volume pedal in the feedback loop. Sean From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 21:50:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA12231; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:50:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:50:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Woehni" To: Subject: Buzz Feiten tuning system. Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 02:48:05 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd9277$192d3ac0$84004382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"N1GeW1.0.Ez2.JLpUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi ppl !! Since there are a lot of guitarists on the list , who are presumably interestested in the latest development with the instrument , I have one question: Has any of you tried a guitar with the new Buzz Feiten tuning system ? It`s gotten rave reviews from very high places in the guitar community and lots of the pros are using it(Vai , Scott Henderson , Gambale etc.)...... Supposedly it makes the guitar stay consistently in tune ALL OVER THE NECK. No more compromises with the first couple of frets on our Fender style axes. I would imagine this is of interest to everyone , not only us guitarists , but also to the miserable sods who have to listen to our ramblings. Last I heard Tom Anderson and Washburn guitars are now using this system on ALL their guitars. To me , this all sounds like a dream come through , and Im even considering buying a Washburn to get this intonation under my fingers. so , ppl , any info on all this??? Yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 21:50:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA27625; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 23:39:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 23:39:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980607211304.007bbb00@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 21:13:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Buzz Feiten tuning system. In-Reply-To: <01bd9277$192d3ac0$84004382@pentium-200> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"k7Xpa1.0.3h6.lprUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://home3.swipnet.se/~w-37192/handbook/feiten.html From ???@??? Sun Jun 07 21:50:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA16404; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:31:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:31:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Buzz Feiten tuning system. Message-ID: <19980607.222342.2319.0.andychu@juno.com> References: <01bd9277$192d3ac0$84004382@pentium-200> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 10-22 From: andychu@juno.com (Andy Y Chu) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:30:33 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"uoxyC1.0.Tz3.epqUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've never tried a guitar with this system, but I have read a good deal about it. It was in the latest EM, but it was in Guitar Player over a year ago, I believe. From what I gather, it differs from standard intonation in that it takes into account that the tension is different when you are playing close to the nut as opposed to when playing near the 12th fret. Apparently, the way guitars are built now, they assume equal tension of the string. Intuitively you can see this because there's a much lighter feel to fretting a note on the 12th fret as opposed to onto the first (but it is a greater distance you have to push down). If you want to read more about it, you should search dejanews for "buzz feiten"; there were a few long threads about it. Andy On Mon, 8 Jun 1998 02:48:05 +0200 "Woehni" writes: > >Hi ppl !! Since there are a lot of guitarists on the list , who are = >presumably interestested in the latest development with the instrument >, = >I have one question: > >Has any of you tried a guitar with the new Buzz Feiten tuning system ? >= _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 10:44:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA26011; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:48:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:48:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:14:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: JamMan regen discussion Resent-Message-ID: <"U3a8E2.0.fK6.X5yUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael said > >Whoever mentioned the visual volume, thanks! It actually should be >relatively easy to build something like that into a standard volume pedal. >Put a double-ganged pot in the pedal, drop a voltage across the second >track and use the tap to drive an array of LEDs. You could probably source >near-completed ccts from your mail-order electronics company (is that >Mouser over there? It's Maplin here). > I also saw a visual volume pedal in a catalog recently. I thought it kind of hokey, but maybe it could be useful. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 01:06:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA28300 for kflint@annihilist.com; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 01:32:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 01:32:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-From_: fde@cybercomm.nl Mon Jun 8 01:32:01 1998 Received: from donald.cybercomm.nl (donald.cybercomm.nl [194.235.113.5]) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA27528 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 01:32:01 -0400 Received: from cybercomm.nl (poort8-ip-x2.enertel.cybercomm.nl [194.235.118.8]) by donald.cybercomm.nl (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA16180 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:19:55 -0100 (MET) Message-ID: <357B75AB.BE1D5AD0@cybercomm.nl> Old-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 07:25:00 +0200 From: "Frank Th. Dekker" Organization: dFD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: (dr SBAITSO!) References: <99ad393c.357aae40@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------D2E02544F18027549AECF2A4" X-Diagnostic: Submission size exceeds 524288 bytes X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Crossedout@aol.com wrote: > You wouldn't happen to HAVE this program, would you? Why, yes, Bill, I do, as a matter of fact. And from this day on so do you (Sssshhhh! Don't tell anyone.) Attachment converted: shards o' data:Sbp_inst.zip (pZIP/pZIP) (000011D3) From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 01:55:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA27974; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:52:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:52:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00c101bd92b9$82c38a60$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: Subject: Fw: Sure - you've heard it all before Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:42:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"4C9vw.0.0p6.NOwUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Laurie, thanks for the advice - much appreciated, but I draw your attention to my last posting! -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lauder To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: 04 June 1998 09:51 Subject: Re: Sure - you've heard it all before >I know how weird this is going to sound, but I changed several of my >configurations, and it seems that the problem was that Cubase doesn't like >the soundcard in full-duplex mode. I changed it to half-duplex and >everything seems OK now. > >What a sequencer! All I want now is Syntrillium's Cool Edit Pro to >complement it with (I don't know - some people are never satisfied!) > >Thanks to all who gave me advice, > >Steve Lauder > From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 03:04:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA19888; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:56:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:56:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <357BC3AE.1286981E@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:59:17 +0100 From: Olivier Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: Universit catholique de Louvain, Belgium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Weird old program References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j0jIB.0.fq4.VKxUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The speech manager of mac system does it do. It is standard part of the system. Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 03:04:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA20129; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:00:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:00:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <357BC4B3.ABE64586@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 12:03:39 +0100 From: Olivier Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: Universit catholique de Louvain, Belgium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Weird old program (dr SBAITSO!) References: <19980605.200349.2223.2.andychu@juno.com> <3579D76C.B9A1C906@cybercomm.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8gid1.0.Ou4.UOxUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I forgot. There is also a soft on mac, a shareware, with a completely functionning demo, that even sings on your lyrics, provided you enter the melody in midi events (it is also a sequencer). It is called vocalwriter... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 03:07:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA22501; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:06:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:06:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <357BC60A.A508B109@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 12:09:21 +0100 From: Olivier Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: Universit catholique de Louvain, Belgium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #1 References: <199806070705.DAA31457@luis.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SvvTj3.0.BU5.mTxUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com aha ahaha ahaha HAIL HAIL HAIL! The looping delight digest is back!!!! (pictures of angels flying around....) Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 10:44:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA29483; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:18:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:18:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 07:17:51 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Buzz Feiten Tuning System Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"dVrQC.0.eA7.oPzUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ah, a topic that is of interest: It's all well and good that this exists, but more importantly: (1) How can I get existing instruments retrofitted? (2) Preferably in the Minneapolis area? (3) Preferable at a reasonable cost? Thank you! -Todd. From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 10:44:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA01780; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:43:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:43:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD889C.EB7AA100@tor-usr20.075023.aracnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:45:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Echoplex Gain Mod Resent-Message-ID: <"nH2a3.0.qO.GQ0Vr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello loopers, Pardon my ignorance but I've got a question regarding the resistors to use for the Echoplex gain mod. I know you are supposed to replace R10 with 10K at 1%, and the R30 with 22.1K at 1%. I've checked a local electronics store and they have the 10K and instead of 22.1K they have a 22K. Is this close enough? Also, I remember awhile back someone mentioned exchanging a third resistor to fix the LED(?) I think. This last one is not mentioned in the FAQ at the website, so could someone please go into more detail about this. Thanks! Ed From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 10:44:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA03662; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:12:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:12:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BD92D7.0B9E7580@tor-usr20.075011.aracnet.net> From: Jon Grant To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Folk/Celtic Looping Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:06:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"l5jqO2.0.ns.Ir0Vr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I recall hearing a few things on this subject occasionally from some of our brothers in the U.K. I'm interested because I've just finished an album of traditional Scottish/Irish/English music that includes some looping, as well as traditional Folk instruments, etc. What is going on in the Folk scene over there? Here in Canada no one's doing the Folk (we call it "Celtic") looping thing. Just curious about who, where, and what techniques. . . Jon Grant Tian Music www.aracnet.net/~tianmus From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 01:42:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA26252; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:07:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:07:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980608095354.1a8f7558@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:53:54 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: JamMan regen discussion In-Reply-To: <199806072227.AA11323@world.std.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qRkWs3.0.DO6.XkvUr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sean: >>the JM is set in DELAY mode with a feedback level 1 and MIX all the way to >>the right - ie it produces one repeat only. The signal goes from the Left >>output to the other amp input. The signal goes from the Right output to a >>volume pedal and back into to Right input. >[snip] >>The only drawback is that you have to spend time balancing the "input" and >>"output" levels - about 2 o'clock and 12 o'clock work for me. And >>surprisingly, noise doesn't seem to be a major factor even though the >>signal is constantly shifting between digital and analogue. > >A cleaner solution if you can live with only 16 settings of feedback, I >would think, would be to use an expression pedal and some kind of MIDI >filter that converts continuous controller values to the appropriate >program change messages. I'm sure this would offer the same degree of control. I doubt anyone around here could discriminate between more than 16 levels of feedback! The reason I'm happiest with this system is that I seem to have a deep-rooted fear of anything programmable. No, really - I have a terror of turning up to a gig and finding my processor/MIDI filter/footswitch etc has forgotten its presets. So I get by with a bunch of pedals and my non-programmable JM. >Personally, I much prefer just turning the feedback knob to 13 or >whatever, because then I get a rate of fade that I know exactly what >it is. (I.e., I'll be playing along and think, oh, I want stuff to >fade out faster, probably at 11 or so.) I used to use the knob, but I was dissatisfied at the way in which it tracks. I'd grab it and QUICKLY turn it all the way around, hoping to go from 1 to 16 and finding it only got as far as 3. It doesn't like being turned quickly. And there's no easy way of getting from 1 to 16 - sadly the encoder won't roll over for 14-15-16-1-2 etc. You have to go all the way back. > If the continuous control >had some kind of digital readout (perhaps the plex does), that would >cover that need, but I don't see how you could reasonably do that >if you're using an analog volume pedal in the feedback loop. Whoever mentioned the visual volume, thanks! It actually should be relatively easy to build something like that into a standard volume pedal. Put a double-ganged pot in the pedal, drop a voltage across the second track and use the tap to drive an array of LEDs. You could probably source near-completed ccts from your mail-order electronics company (is that Mouser over there? It's Maplin here). Michael Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Griff raised his stunted barber's pole. "And where do you think you are going with your old black bag?" Grandpa said: "I am going to Llangadock to be buried" "But you aren't dead yet, Dai Thomas" -Dylan Thomas --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 10:44:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA06835; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:58:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:58:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <357C186B.1BED@efn.org> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:59:23 -0700 From: Peter Harlan Reply-To: pharlan@efn.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Folk/Celtic Looping References: <3.0.1.16.19980608181721.192f96cc@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Mh61-1.0.ie1.YW1Vr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not sure what label(s) to put on this band, but if anybody hasn't heard them, I'd recommend Mouth Music. Nice blend of indigenous Scottish music with African beats and technoish electronics. Definitely some loop-like stuff in the mix at times. -Peter Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: > > >I recall hearing a few things on this subject occasionally from some of > >our brothers in the U.K. I'm interested because I've just finished an > album of > >traditional Scottish/Irish/English music that includes some looping, as > well as > >traditional Folk instruments, etc. What is going on in the Folk scene > over there? > >Here in Canada no one's doing the Folk (we call it "Celtic") looping thing. > > We call it Celtic here too! Though Folk is sometimes used, the Scots and > Irish use the phrase Celtic to distance themselves from the English. Must > be all that Morris dancing... > > I'm really not aware of any Celtic loopers per se. There is a big > techno/Celtic crossover movement - Shooglenifty, Afro Celt Sound System, > Peatbog Faeries, etcetc - Shooglenifty describe themselves as "Acid Croft" > (a croft is a traditionan farm - er - house). But I don't know of anybody > actually looping. > > A lot of Celtic music uses one band member to repeat a figure over and over > whilst the others make the tune around it; it's often struck me that the > music IS amenable to looping, I just don't know of anyone doing it. > > For the record, I play in a Ceilidh (Scottish dance) band, but don't loop > (the badleader frowns on such things). I loop but don't play Celtic stuff, > though I do put Celtic-styled bits in. I'm still immersing myself in it, > having not long moved here from Wales. > > Michael > > Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Mr. Griff raised his stunted barber's pole. "And where do > you think you are going with your old black bag?" > Grandpa said: "I am going to Llangadock to be buried" > "But you aren't dead yet, Dai Thomas" -Dylan Thomas > --------------------------------------------------------------- > www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 20:42:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA04531; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:53:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:53:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199806081952.VAA14056@mb05.swip.net> From: "Mattias Ribbing" To: Subject: Any looping going on in Vienna? Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:44:14 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OdYgP2.0.w41.544Vr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello! I was just wondering if there are any loopers here from Vienna? Im gonna be there this weekend and I wonder if there are gonna be any shows there (or other experimental music shows). I just wanna say that I got my Echoplex a week ago, and I just can't stop plying with it. What a great piece of equipment! Later, Mattias Ribbing From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 20:43:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA09564; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:31:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:31:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980608203002.006d2d44@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:30:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: new weird little programs (for PC) Resent-Message-ID: <"Olgsj3.0.wF2.Ae4Vr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all PC loopers talking about software I've just discovered these progs on the Net. - Buzz 1.5a. Incredible approach to make music... I can't define it, it's a sampler, a tracker, a seq, a multiFX, a synth, I don't know...it's all together. You connect machines, FX and .wav all together and program your lines to make some realy cool patterns... You have to spend some time to learn to use it but you can get amazing results!! Export to .wav. And it's FREEWARE!!!! - Orangator 2.0. A virtual synth with a seq/tracker inside and the option to export to .wav your sounds. A lot of flexibility, from synth pads, to drum sounds to special effects and flavours. Big number of presets, from bass to arpeggiated lines, killer kicks and snares, grooves. Great sound quality. FREEWARE too!!! - Fruity loops. Brilliant drum sequencer. Like hammerhead but works directly with .wavs. Best suited for single sounds, unlimited number of traks, great sound editing and processing for each channel (cut off, ring modulator, delay, pre amp, etc.). - fruity traks. SAme concept, beta version available for 1 month. Nice interface but I've not used a lot to say more... -AXS 2.01 d. DOS prog, Synth emulator. Some problems with my PC. I'm trying to resolve them because it could be an useful tool. and here you can find every link you need: http://www.maz-sound.com see "tracker" section... ciao leo From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 20:43:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA26866; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:36:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:36:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:35:20 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Buzz Feiten tuning system. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"VccGr1.0.KU6.na5Vr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've played a few guitars with it. Yeah, I guess it was pretty impressive. Not something I'm burning to have done on any of mine. I guess I'm sort of comfortable with a lot of the intonation idiosyncracies of the guitar. I find it pretty easy to look past if the content is really happening. Take John Scofield for instance, who just about always sounds somewhat out of tune to me (really apparent when he used to play octaves a lot a la Wes), but his sound and conception is so beautiful it never bugs me. Ditto other instruments, Jackie McLean, Steve Lacy, Miles...etc. Even the greatest of classical cellists or violinists aren't dead center on every pitch. If a real sincere and passionate effort is being made to play meaningful music I find some pitch warbling is easy to forgive. For that reason I sort of look at the Feiten tuning as a bit of an unnecessary luxury at this point. No disrespect to Buzzy, who's a great player and makes some speaker cabinets that are the shit... IMHO of course, Ken R From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 20:43:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA27982; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:02:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:02:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980608215742.006d76e4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 14:57:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: structured looping interface (was Folk/Celtic Looping) Resent-Message-ID: <"Ecc7_3.0.4p6.pz5Vr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 04:37 PM 6/8/97 -0500, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >I'll write down the melody/harmony fragments seperately sometimes. >I don't PLAY from these notes, I use them when I forget what I did, >usually along with a tape of a performance. > >I find I have to struggle with the structure. The Echoplex interface >seems ideally suited for improvisational playing and much less so for >structured playing. > >The overall effect I term "Experimental Tradtional Music". I have some >ideas I work from but I'm still finding my way in trying to incorporate >looping with traditional or structured music. > What do you think would be a more useful interface for real-time looping with more structured music? Any ideas of what would work better for you? (or anyone else?) kim From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 20:43:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA30146; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:15:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:15:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <357C6A2B.61FFCF13@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 15:48:19 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Buzz Feiten Tuning System References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j42wb1.0.IL7.z17Vr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Looplisters, especially you guitarists ; ), It is relatively easy to get existing instruments retrofitted with the Buzz Feiten system. I've had it installed on an American Standard Strat (which made a truly substantial and discernible sweetening, er, improvement in the guitar's intonation, especially in the lower registers - chords especially seem to bloom more readily) and I'm currently having it installed on my new '50's reissue Telecaster. I'll probably have it done to a Guild acoustic flat-top next (guess I'm sold on the system, eh?). At around 125 American dollars per guitar, this adds up if you have a lot of instruments (lucky for me this is not the case), but I for one think it's one of the best things to come along for guitar. Now if my singer would only get in pitch! As far as Todd's query about the Minn. area, I guess some checking around with better local music outlets would be in order, although if you can access Feiten by email from the website he can probably forward a list of authorized installers. Cheers, Lance Glover Todd Madson wrote: > Ah, a topic that is of interest: > > It's all well and good that this exists, but more importantly: > > (1) How can I get existing instruments retrofitted? > (2) Preferably in the Minneapolis area? > (3) Preferable at a reasonable cost? > > Thank you! > > -Todd. From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 20:43:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA29442; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:02:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:02:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <357C6B8F.D7931EF9@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 00:54:07 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: structured looping interface (was Folk/Celtic Looping) References: <2.2.32.19980608215742.006d76e4@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ww_8v2.0.j97.8r6Vr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > > What do you think would be a more useful interface for real-time looping > with more structured music? Any ideas of what would work better for you? (or > anyone else?) Kim Kim Kim Are you back in the garage getting high with solder fumes ? This is the second time that you ask for *""ideas"*" about a new interface for looping... anyway mail me private if you want to tell me the story privately . Heres my contribution My idea of the footswitch board there should also exist a table top version for DJ's, keys or drums but i'll talk for the fooswitch only 8 switches plus an up and down pair of switches for banking on top of each switch a 3 caracter led display wich would describe the function assigned to the switch plus an eight car. led display for naming the banks the banks would be composed of eight function chosen in the function catalog of the looper the user is free to assign any function relating to any loop (multiple loops playing in paralell ) The foot controler should have 2 ext cont jacks for feedback,pan,fades,crossfades etc... Voila salut Claude -- Please correct the reply address by deleting this "----" Veuillez corriger mon adresse pour me rpondre en effaant a "----" From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 20:43:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA29702; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:05:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:05:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980608230433.22042.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:04:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Echoplex Gain Mod To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"LVUAL1.0.vE7.Fu6Vr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ed, The LED level indicator upgrade is: R7 - 75k 5% 1/4w CF. changes clipping indication on input LED, good idea to change, but not very important. That is the comment I got from Kim some time back. Have you confirmed that this change is not in your EDP? You should look at your PCBA to see the value at this location (and the input/output gain changes. I had a list of about 9 changes that had occurred over time for the EDP. I checked all the locations on this older EDP to find that only 1 upgrade was not in my 96 vintage EDP. That was R75 change to 820 ohms (change from ~640 ohms). This change "optimizes a delay time", but I don't really understand it. If you want the complete list that I got from Oberheim, I can send it to you. 22.1 k ohm is a "standard" resistor value. Assuming a 1% tolerance, the actual resistor could fall from 21.879 k ohm to 22.321 k ohm. If indeed you found a 22.0 k ohm 1% resistor (a non standard value), then this should be OK for this application. You can, of course, measure (using a Digital Volt meter) the exact resistor that you plan to use and confirm it is within 1% tolerance of 22.1 k ohm. Kim, please correct me if I am wrong here. Having changed one resistor on my older EDP (R75) I would note that it is a tad tedious to replace a resistor on the PCBA, without completely dissasembling the EDP. I did not completely dissasemble my EDP (I feared I would risk more damage that not), but rather replaced the resistor from the component side, without removing the bottom of the EDP box. This requires more care in removing the old resistor, removing the solder from the hole with a solder sucker, trimming the resistor legs before you insert it, and carefully soldering from the component side. Normally, you would do the soldering (for removal, clearing the hole, and soldering in the new component) from the bottom of the PCBA, and Trim the legs After you solder it in place. With my method, you risk making the legs too long, and they would contact the metal case on the bottom of the EDP. Make sure you inspect your work carefully under good light and magnification after you remove the old resistor (to insure you did no damage to traces or pads) and after you solder in the new resistor (to insure the solder flowed down the via well, and that you did not bridge extra solder to other traces or vias). My EDP works just fine following the change. bret ---Ed Drake wrote: > > Hello loopers, > Pardon my ignorance but I've got a question regarding the resistors to use > for the Echoplex gain mod. I know you are supposed to replace R10 with 10K > at 1%, and the R30 with 22.1K at 1%. I've checked a local electronics store > and they have the 10K and instead of 22.1K they have a 22K. Is this close > enough? Also, I remember awhile back someone mentioned exchanging a third > resistor to fix the LED(?) I think. This last one is not mentioned in the > FAQ at the website, so could someone please go into more detail about this. > Thanks! > Ed > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 20:43:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA11523; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:21:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:21:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Erwill@flink.com Message-Id: <199806082221.SAA11079@luis.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: 8 Jun 1998 17:20:12 CST Subject: Indiana Looper Resent-Message-ID: <"8oCJc1.0.Jj2.RF6Vr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com will the mysterious Indiana celt-looper please email me at erwill@flink.com thanks... From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 20:43:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA31211; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:33:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:33:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:27:37 -0700 Message-ID: <000E861E.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: structured looping interface (was Folk/Celtic Looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Claude Voit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"3ezO02.0.Vb7.3I7Vr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Kim Flint wrote: >> What do you think would be a more useful interface for real-time looping >> with more structured music? Any ideas of what would work better for you? (or >> anyone else?) Claude Voit wrote... >Kim Kim Kim >Are you back in the garage getting high with solder fumes? This is the second >time that you ask for *""ideas"*" about a new interface for looping... And who's going to fund this project? The vast reserves of looping fanatics out there? 8-> >Heres my contribution... (snip) but i'll talk for the fooswitch only >8 switches plus an up and down pair of switches for banking on top of each >switch a 3 caracter led display wich would describe the function assigned to >the switch plus an eight car. led display for naming the banks This sounds like a *MIDI-foot-controller* to me... A dedicated pedal leaves your *other* floor peds/boards to do the tone mods, sure, but this kind of control sounds like possible redundancy *assuming* there's a midi controller somewhere. The other possiblilty might be a glass interface... (Computer, PDA??? or dedictated music controller, with a screen) .01 cents worth... Still having much fun with my JamMan! -Miko From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 20:43:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA00119; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:09:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:09:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BD9318.E06D4E80@chl-nj4-10.ix.netcom.com> From: John Celano To: "Loopers Delight (E-mail)" Subject: tape loops Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:05:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uzaO-1.0.q_7.3q7Vr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does anyone know if there is any way to modify a 1/4" eight track reel to create tape loops of an significant length. Just a thought for a machine that's collecting dust. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 10:44:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA04897; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:31:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:31:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980608181721.192f96cc@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 18:17:21 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Folk/Celtic Looping In-Reply-To: <01BD92D7.0B9E7580@tor-usr20.075011.aracnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fNLES.0.GA1.Z61Vr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I recall hearing a few things on this subject occasionally from some of >our brothers in the U.K. I'm interested because I've just finished an album of >traditional Scottish/Irish/English music that includes some looping, as well as >traditional Folk instruments, etc. What is going on in the Folk scene over there? >Here in Canada no one's doing the Folk (we call it "Celtic") looping thing. We call it Celtic here too! Though Folk is sometimes used, the Scots and Irish use the phrase Celtic to distance themselves from the English. Must be all that Morris dancing... I'm really not aware of any Celtic loopers per se. There is a big techno/Celtic crossover movement - Shooglenifty, Afro Celt Sound System, Peatbog Faeries, etcetc - Shooglenifty describe themselves as "Acid Croft" (a croft is a traditionan farm - er - house). But I don't know of anybody actually looping. A lot of Celtic music uses one band member to repeat a figure over and over whilst the others make the tune around it; it's often struck me that the music IS amenable to looping, I just don't know of anyone doing it. For the record, I play in a Ceilidh (Scottish dance) band, but don't loop (the badleader frowns on such things). I loop but don't play Celtic stuff, though I do put Celtic-styled bits in. I'm still immersing myself in it, having not long moved here from Wales. Michael Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Griff raised his stunted barber's pole. "And where do you think you are going with your old black bag?" Grandpa said: "I am going to Llangadock to be buried" "But you aren't dead yet, Dai Thomas" -Dylan Thomas --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 20:43:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA04171; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:42:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:42:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <357C8FBD.C6CFBB95@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:28:29 -0400 From: LORI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please References: <2244EC26112@knoxy.agvic.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V189M3.0.1_.iB9Vr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tim Fitzsimons wrote: > > Looks like its time for another episode of "irritated list owner's > > unsubscribing diatribe." Enjoy. > > OK, I don't say this very often (or ever), but seems like this is a good > > time, since I'm now completely sick of spending so much time helping people > > with this. > > > > Subscribing and Unsubscribing to this mailing list, as with every other > > mailing list on the entire Internet, is *AUTOMATED ON A SERVER*. That means > > that there is a computer where you send the request, and it handles it > > automatically. There are *NO HUMANS* involved in this process. If you post > > a message like this to the list, there is no human (or at least no willing > > human) who will then go and send the commands to the server for you. You > > have to do it all by yourself! > > > - There is only one way to spell the word "subscribe" and only one way to > > spell "unsubscribe." Never in my life could I have imagined how many ways > > people could come up with to misspell these words. If the email has only > > one word in it, is it really so hard to check that you've spelled it right? > > - If you get an error from the server from your request mail, don't resend > > the exact same thing to the server 600 times. Expecting different results > > from the exact same actions is one definition of insanity. It's probably > > also an indicator of pure, unadulterated stupidity. Try to be above that. > > > > - this is really not complicated. Just follow the directions, and you will > > be fine! > > >>>>> Is this guy angry cause people are jumping ship or what? <<<<< > > Duh! Maybe he's tired of dimwits who can't follow the most basic > instructions ( and even when they send an email containing these > instructions they can't seem to work out how to actually use them) > If it was anywhere near April 1st I could have let this one slide but > seriously, you must be joking! Why don't you get of your arse, read > the exact same message you sent to the list and do it yourself! > > Somebody UNSUDSCRIDE this person so we can increase our average IQ a > few points! hate to tell ya, but un "sud"^ sc "ride" will get you as far as "unsubscribe" with this list. I've tried it 6 times now. Is this a loop joke? Unsubscribe repeatedly for 64 measures at 120 BPM and you finally get off? I'm killing myself to get away from this list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From ???@??? Tue Jun 09 10:33:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA16674; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:19:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:19:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:44:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: www.fingerpaint.net Resent-Message-ID: <"Flt7s3.0.s24.ylGVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Our site is up. Steev says there are some minor glitches. A couple of shockwave files are available. Check us out and let us know. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 20:44:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA09189; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:19:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:19:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <357CA999.E1CE9F9E@home.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:18:49 -0500 From: Tom Spaulding Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <01bd9414$460c2620$54e8d6cc@ssteve.missconet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"c8zQE1.0.hD2.jcAVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Steve Smith wrote: > > unsubscribe Thinning the herd...it's an idea whose time has come. Tom "Un=not,sub=beneath,scribe=writer: "not beneath a writer" Spaulding p.s. I hope this is the drummer from Journey From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 20:44:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA09496; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:25:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:25:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980609032014.006a0994@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 20:20:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please Resent-Message-ID: <"oRi5n2.0.QJ2.9iAVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:28 PM 6/8/98 -0400, LORI wrote: >> Duh! Maybe he's tired of dimwits who can't follow the most basic >> instructions ( and even when they send an email containing these >> instructions they can't seem to work out how to actually use them) >> If it was anywhere near April 1st I could have let this one slide but >> seriously, you must be joking! Why don't you get of your arse, read >> the exact same message you sent to the list and do it yourself! >> >> Somebody UNSUDSCRIDE this person so we can increase our average IQ a >> few points! > > hate to tell ya, but un "sud"^ sc "ride" will get you as far as "unsubscribe" >with this list. >I've tried it 6 times now. Is this a loop joke? Unsubscribe repeatedly for 64 >measures at 120 BPM and >you finally get off? I'm killing myself to get away from this >list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No, you haven't come close to following the directions correctly yet! You've done it completely wrong every single time. You've only yourself to blame on that one. The directions have been posted repeatedly in the past couple of weeks, mostly because of you. Why don't you try reading them? In the time you spent typing those exclamation points and wasting our time, you could have been off! I'm with Tim, you are a dimwit. You're also being a jerk, which is why nobody is going to much effort to help you out. Dozens of people have subscribed and unsubscribed without any trouble during the time in which you have been whining to everyone. As most people discover, it's quite easy. Wanna know how they did it? THEY FOLLOWED THE DIRECTIONS! Gee, where do they get the directions? Here are some ideas for future reference: - keep the directions for unsubscribing you got when you joined the list. *that's why they were sent to you!* - Lost the directions? go to the website for the list and read the directions posted there. - Not sure where the website is? Try looking at the address where the list comes from, and start there. Or, go to a search engine and search for the list name.(Or, try looking at all the replies you got the last few times you posted this crap. Numerous people told you where the site is.) - Don't have web access? Look at the email addresses of the people who post to the list. Gee, I wonder if one of them might know? Instead of bothering the whole list, send somebody private email and POLITELY ask them if they would mind sending you the directions, since you didn't bother to keep them. Chances are, they will be happy to send them to you. - Look at the people who post to the list, and see if one of them happens to be the list maintainer. I bet that person knows! That'll be the one who's email address comes from the same domain as the list, and who has a sig file with all the list info in it, including the subscription address. Send that person a polite mail and ask for help. Usually that person is in a better mood than he is at the moment, and will happily help you out when he gets a chance. Remember, be polite, because all list maintainers quickly develop a low tolerance for assholes and prioritize their demands for attention somewhere below volunteering for experimental medical treatments. - check the recent list postings to see if anyone has posted the unsubscribe instructions. (or in your case, try reading the replies you got last time.) - Do not post to the list until you have exhausted every other possibility. If you must do this, be extremely polite, as you will be annoying hundreds of people, and ask for help. Being an ass will cause them to get pissed enough to publicly ridicule you, as you've likely noticed. You probably will have your feelings hurt and think its unfair, but most everyone else will enjoy it a lot. - Never, under any circumstances, post something like "remove me" directly to a mailing list. This will never work, and may even result in you being on the list forever, depending on how sadistic the list maintainer is feeling that day. All that being said, here are the directions one more time. Please study them very carefully: To unsubscribe, send email with the word unsubscribe in the subject and body of your message, with no signature files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For the digest version, use Loopers-Delight-d-request. Or, check the website, http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html kim _________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research 408-752-9284 http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 22:09:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA10337; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:43:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:43:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980609033944.009c6394@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:39:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: Folk/Celtic Looping Resent-Message-ID: <"VqsB2.0.dV2.OzAVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for sharing some of your technique with the Celtic looping. Sounds very complex and intriguing to me. As a 3 month old looper, I just loop major, minor 11, and altered chords together in basic fingerstyle riffs, somtimes overdub stuff, then solo over them. It's helping my solo work a lot. I'm just starting to use the next loop function. Give me a shout if you have any tapes, etc, you'd like to swap? Grover t 04:37 PM 6/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >I'm not in the U.K., in fact, I'm in Indiana, but I do a bit of looping >with Celtic songs. I'm a percussionist so I play the melody lines with >marimba, glockekspiel, etc. rather than fiddle, pennywhistle, etc. When >I play out, I alternate ambient "soundscape" type stuff with arrangments >of looped Traditional music (mostly Celtic). So far, much to my >surprise, nobody's neck has snapped off. It's quite a shock since the >Celtic stuff is highly structured and the ambient is highly >unstructured. > >I use an Echoplex, sometimes two. > >I've found it very useful to keep notes on what I'm doing. I tried >writting EVERYTHING out, once. By everything, I mean kind of an >orchestral score with all instruments and button presses. Too >unwieldly. What seems to work best is some short notes like the >following: > >---------------------------------------- >Campbell's Farewell to Red Gap > >Looper Setup: > sync = out > beats/8ths = 16 > >Instruments: >soft shakers >clave >chimes >doumbek >triangle/cymbal/shaker >marimba >glockenspiel > >Schema: >Looper actions >REC memory 1 >shaker >REC >OVER >clave >OVER >MULT >chimes >REC >NEXT memory 2 >MULT >doumbek >REC >OVER >triangle/cymbal/shaker >OVER >NEXT memory 3 >MULT >marimba >REC >OVER >glockenspiel >OVER >marimba >NEXT memory 1 >marimba >NEXT memory 2 >marimba >NEXT memory 3 >marimba >NEXT memory 1 >MUTE >---------------------------------------- >I'll write down the melody/harmony fragments seperately sometimes. >I don't PLAY from these notes, I use them when I forget what I did, >usually along with a tape of a performance. > >I find I have to struggle with the structure. The Echoplex interface >seems ideally suited for improvisational playing and much less so for >structured playing. > >The overall effect I term "Experimental Tradtional Music". I have some >ideas I work from but I'm still finding my way in trying to incorporate >looping with traditional or structured music. > > From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 22:09:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA11478; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:59:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:59:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980609035540.009c3d34@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:55:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: Any AXON user loopers out there? Resent-Message-ID: <"5_vfy2.0.An2.JCBVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gerry P, I use an NGC-77 occasionally, not much for looping. Let me know if Ican be of assistance. Grover At 08:17 PM 6/7/98 -0000, you wrote: >if any AXON users - in particular the AXON 100 - are out there in looper >land, and wouldn't mind offering me some insight into this product, please >email me direct > >thanks >gerry >manda@norlink.net > > > From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 22:10:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA13108; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:35:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:35:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <4540ff32.357cbb47@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:34:14 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: tape loops Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"acFhB1.0.xA3.YjBVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/79 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 98-06-08 20:09:33 EDT, you write: << does anyone know if there is any way to modify a 1/4" eight track reel to create tape loops of an significant length. >> If you set the machine on it's back so that the reels are parallel with the table surface, you can take a small mic stand or something to put an extra reel on. That way, you feed the slack of the long loop over the spare third reel and move the support for the third reel away from the tape machine until the tape is tensioned sufficiently. If this makes no sense, give me a buzz and I'll try to explain more clearly - sorry if it's fuzzy, it's almost one in the morning and I'm kinda crosseyed from lack of sleep. good luck. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 22:10:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA13356; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:38:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:38:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <68650fb3.357cbc2a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:38:01 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"6WwDt2.0.eF3.BnBVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim - bless you for your tireless efforts to help the poor, pathetic, downtrodden souls who don't know an "unsubscribe" e-mail from a hole in the ground and/or their asses. I'm trying to find the Catholic Church's web site - I'm putting you in for Sainthood. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 09 00:26:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA20123; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 03:09:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 03:09:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:09:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000601bd9375$84b43060$c91b8ed1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BD933A.D8555860" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <01bd9414$460c2620$54e8d6cc@ssteve.missconet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"TfXc8.0.gu4.I-DVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com
Sorry it didn't work, dude.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Smith [mailto:ssteve@missconet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 7:06 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
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unsubscribe
From ???@??? Tue Jun 09 01:25:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA22226; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:22:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:22:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <357CF329.5726@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 01:32:40 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yIaJ-2.0.VP5.r2FVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/82 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just kidding. I have a question for Kim, regarding an interesting thing the Echoplex does. Here's how to set it up: 1) Record a short loop. 2) Multiply and/or insert to produce a loop of many cycles' length. 3) Overdub various longer bits which are longer than the preliminary cycle length. 4) Then, Re-multiply the loop so that you reduce the loop length back down to only one or two cycles. Now HERE'S the intriguing part: 5) Once you've got a short cycle or two with a fragment of the longer loop, hit UNDO. Each successive press of UNDO causes a different cycle-length fragment of the previous, longer loop to emerge. Pressing UNDO repeatedly morphs this small cycle through all sorts of mutations of the original longer loop. I discovered this along with another Echoplex user a few months ago, and we were suitably intrigued by the effect. My question for Kim, then, is: Can you describe (in layman's terms, a la that great train analogy with which you enacted your mosr recent round of Andre Damage Control) what's going in the unit when this phenomenon occurs? Regardless, nice touch. Instant remix. Rave on. --Andre From ???@??? Tue Jun 09 10:32:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA24543; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:16:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:16:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:15:02 +0100 Message-ID: <00134543.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Re[2]: Folk/Celtic Looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"63Bkt1.0.Tz5.GrFVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael (doctorin' the croft) Hughes suggested: ...Though Folk is sometimes used, the Scots and Irish use the phrase Celtic to distance themselves from the English. Must be all that Morris dancing... Ah yes, those idyllic afternoons on the village green, watching Morris dancing. Sadly, he's a bit past it now and can't always manage to make the gig...apparently he can't stick the pace and is hopping mad, thrown in his hankie (etc) However: I'm really not aware of any Celtic loopers per se. One might just (time) stretch a moot point and suggest that John Martyn qualifies as a/the `god father' of folk/Celtic loopists, given his work in the 70's with tape echo - although mainly delay-based, rather than looping I suppose. Albums from "Solid Air" through "One World" each contain aspects of interest here, I'll (perhaps rashly) propose. Cheers David From ???@??? Tue Jun 09 12:45:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: from jpccmail.poyry.com.br ([200.246.136.18]) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA29811; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:10:08 -0400 Received: from ccMail by jpccmail.poyry.com.br (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00012A07; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:34:54 +0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:33:07 +0400 Message-ID: <00012A07.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: "unsubscribe" To: Kim Flint , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Kim, I suggest you to punish all the guys that are unable to "get ou of the list" (I am avoiding the word) with eternal subscription. Miguel From ???@??? Tue Jun 09 12:45:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA30106; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:10:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:10:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:33:07 +0400 Message-ID: <00012A07.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: "unsubscribe" To: Kim Flint , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"5RYYb2.0.nI7.MYOVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/96 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, I suggest you to punish all the guys that are unable to "get ou of the list" (I am avoiding the word) with eternal subscription. Miguel From ???@??? Tue Jun 09 10:33:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA10084; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:27:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:27:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:26:31 -0400 From: "Paul J. Dresher" Subject: Re: structured looping interface for the EDP Sender: "Paul J. Dresher" To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199806091027_MC2-3FA4-AFB5@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"qvk5l2.0.hR2.wOKVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers/EDP Users: Regarding the question of the interface needs of more "structured" uses of the EDP, as a composer working with 3 EDPs for performance of works that are pretty much determined in their form (the improvisation all happened in the studio), to me the question is not with the interface but with the fact that one has to go over to the units and go into a programming mode in order to change various essential paramenters (such as quantize, number of loops etc etc). In my work, the ideal way to make structured composing/performance on these units more practical would be to simply have these various parameter set-ups stored as programs which could be recalled with a MIDI program change, just like storing synth or DSP programs. (And not just 16 user slots, please!, If Kim or Mathias are taking notes.) The current foot control set up seems pretty good. While it is possible to hit the wrong button due to the spacing, a bigger unit would have other drawbacks. Since I do a lot on continuous control from a MIDI foot controller (of the output and feedback levels of all three units separately), this type of control could be integrated into the dedicated foot controller but I suspect most people would not find a this particularly useful feature and it would certainly add cost. However, if the program storage suggested in the first paragraph were to be implemented, it would be important to have a program change increment/decrement button on the floor as well. Paul Dresher From ???@??? Tue Jun 09 10:33:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA24036; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:12:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:12:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:11:28 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Folk/Celtic Looping Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"rxw7C2.0.sn5.y2LVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/90 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 98-06-09 04:12:27 EDT, you write: From: gls@mindspring.com (Grover Sheffield) Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com << As a 3 month old looper, I just loop >> My, but you're articulate (not to mention extremely technically adept) for a three-month-old. ;) - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 09 10:33:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA20126; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:17:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:17:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <357D6037.430A@efn.org> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 09:17:59 -0700 From: Peter Harlan Reply-To: pharlan@efn.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Folk/Celtic Looping References: <1.5.4.32.19980609033944.009c6394@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fyZPB2.0.8t4.o_LVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/92 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Grover Sheffield wrote: > > Thanks for sharing some of your technique with the Celtic looping. Sounds > very complex and intriguing to me. As a 3 month old looper, I just loop A child prodigy in our midst?? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From ???@??? Tue Jun 09 10:56:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA11071; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:44:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:44:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <357D6704.6AA2CFFF@intekinfo.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:47:01 -0500 From: sbarnes@intekinfo.com (Sam Barnes) Reply-To: sbarnes@intekinfo.com Organization: Intek information Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: "unsubscribe" References: <199806090705.DAA19792@luis.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FA691CC1F178DD4BA3AB0D79" Resent-Message-ID: <"pm_622.0.Kg2.OHNVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "unsubscribe"

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Subject: 
Loopers-Delight-d Digest                                Volume 98 : Issue 4

Today's Topics:
  Re: Remove from list! Please          [ LORI <looperanne@earthlink.net> ]
  unsubscribe                           [ "Steve Smith" <ssteve@missconet.com ]
  Re: unsubscribe                       [ Tom Spaulding <tspauldi@home.com> ]
  Re: Remove from list! Please          [ Kim Flint <kflint@chromatic.com> ]
  Re: Folk/Celtic Looping               [ Grover Sheffield <gls@mindspring.co ]
  Re: Any AXON user loopers out there?  [ Grover Sheffield <gls@mindspring.co ]
  Re: tape loops                        [ Crossedout@aol.com ]
  Re: Remove from list! Please          [ Crossedout@aol.com ]

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Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:28:29 -0400
From: LORI <looperanne@earthlink.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 

Tim Fitzsimons wrote:

> > Looks like its time for another episode of "irritated list owner's
> > unsubscribing diatribe." Enjoy.
> > OK, I don't say this very often (or ever), but seems like this is a good
> > time, since I'm now completely sick of spending so much time helping people
> > with this.
> >
> > Subscribing and Unsubscribing to this mailing list, as with every other
> > mailing list on the entire Internet, is *AUTOMATED ON A SERVER*. That means
> > that there is a computer where you send the request, and it handles it
> > automatically. There are *NO HUMANS* involved in this process. If you post
> > a message like this to the list, there is no human (or at least no willing
> > human) who will then go and send the commands to the server for you. You
> > have to do it all by yourself!
>
> > - There is only one way to spell the word "subscribe" and only one way to
> > spell "unsubscribe."  Never in my life could I have imagined how many ways
> > people could come up with to misspell these words. If the email has only
> > one word in it, is it really so hard to check that you've spelled it right?
> > - If you get an error from the server from your request mail, don't resend
> > the exact same thing to the server 600 times. Expecting different results
> > from the exact same actions is one definition of insanity. It's probably
> > also an indicator of pure, unadulterated stupidity. Try to be above that.
> >
> > - this is really not complicated. Just follow the directions, and you will
> > be fine!
>
> >>>>> Is this guy angry cause people are jumping ship or what?  <<<<<
>
> Duh!  Maybe he's tired of dimwits who can't follow the most basic
> instructions ( and even when they send an email containing these
> instructions they can't seem to work out how to actually use them)
> If it was anywhere near April 1st I could have let this one slide but
> seriously, you must be joking! Why don't you get of your arse, read
> the exact same message you sent to the list and do it yourself!
>
> Somebody UNSUDSCRIDE this person so we can increase our average IQ a
> few points!

  hate to tell ya, but un "sud"^ sc "ride" will get you as far as "unsubscribe"
with this list.
I've tried it 6 times now. Is this a loop joke? Unsubscribe repeatedly for 64
measures at 120 BPM and
you finally get off? I'm killing myself to get away from this
list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: unsubscribe
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:05:43 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <ssteve@missconet.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>unsubscribe

Subject: Re: unsubscribe
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:18:49 -0500
From: Tom Spaulding <tspauldi@home.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 

> Steve Smith wrote:
> 
> unsubscribe

Thinning the herd...it's an idea whose time has come.

Tom "Un=not,sub=beneath,scribe=writer: "not beneath a writer" Spaulding 
p.s. I hope this is the drummer from Journey

Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 20:20:14 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@chromatic.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 

At 09:28 PM 6/8/98 -0400, LORI <looperanne@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Duh!  Maybe he's tired of dimwits who can't follow the most basic
>> instructions ( and even when they send an email containing these
>> instructions they can't seem to work out how to actually use them)
>> If it was anywhere near April 1st I could have let this one slide but
>> seriously, you must be joking! Why don't you get of your arse, read
>> the exact same message you sent to the list and do it yourself!
>>
>> Somebody UNSUDSCRIDE this person so we can increase our average IQ a
>> few points!
>
>  hate to tell ya, but un "sud"^ sc "ride" will get you as far as "unsubscribe"
>with this list.
>I've tried it 6 times now. Is this a loop joke? Unsubscribe repeatedly for 64
>measures at 120 BPM and
>you finally get off? I'm killing myself to get away from this
>list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, you haven't come close to following the directions correctly yet! You've
done it completely wrong every single time. You've only yourself to blame on
that one. The directions have been posted repeatedly in the past couple of
weeks, mostly because of you. Why don't you try reading them? In the time
you spent typing those exclamation points and wasting our time, you could
have been off! I'm with Tim, you are a dimwit. You're also being a jerk,
which is why nobody is going to much effort to help you out.

Dozens of people have subscribed and unsubscribed without any trouble during
the time in which you have been whining to everyone. As most people
discover, it's quite easy. Wanna know how they did it? THEY FOLLOWED THE
DIRECTIONS! Gee, where do they get the directions? Here are some ideas for
future reference:

- keep the directions for unsubscribing you got when you joined the list.
*that's why they were sent to you!*

- Lost the directions? go to the website for the list and read the
directions posted there. 

- Not sure where the website is? Try looking at the address where the list
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Subject: Re: Folk/Celtic Looping
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:39:44 -0500
From: Grover Sheffield <gls@mindspring.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 

Thanks for sharing some of your technique with the Celtic looping.   Sounds
very complex and intriguing to me.  As a 3 month old looper, I just loop
major, minor 11, and altered chords together in basic fingerstyle riffs,
somtimes overdub stuff, then solo over them.  It's helping my solo work a
lot.  I'm just starting to use the next loop function.   Give me a shout if
you have any tapes, etc, you'd like to swap?             Grover


t 04:37 PM 6/8/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm not in the U.K., in fact, I'm in Indiana, but I do a bit of looping 
>with Celtic songs.  I'm a percussionist so I play the melody lines with 
>marimba, glockekspiel, etc. rather than fiddle, pennywhistle, etc.  When 
>I play out, I alternate ambient "soundscape" type stuff with arrangments 
>of looped Traditional music (mostly Celtic).  So far, much to my 
>surprise, nobody's neck has snapped off.  It's quite a shock since the 
>Celtic stuff is highly structured and the ambient is highly 
>unstructured.
>
>I use an Echoplex, sometimes two.
>
>I've found it very useful to keep notes on what I'm doing.  I tried 
>writting EVERYTHING out, once.  By everything, I mean kind of an 
>orchestral score with all instruments and button presses.  Too 
>unwieldly.  What seems to work best is some short notes like the 
>following:
>
>----------------------------------------
>Campbell's Farewell to Red Gap
>
>Looper Setup:
>       sync = out
>       beats/8ths = 16
>
>Instruments:
>soft shakers
>clave
>chimes
>doumbek
>triangle/cymbal/shaker
>marimba
>glockenspiel
>
>Schema:
>Looper actions
>REC    memory 1
>shaker
>REC
>OVER
>clave
>OVER
>MULT
>chimes
>REC
>NEXT   memory 2
>MULT
>doumbek
>REC
>OVER
>triangle/cymbal/shaker
>OVER
>NEXT   memory 3
>MULT
>marimba
>REC
>OVER
>glockenspiel
>OVER
>marimba
>NEXT   memory 1
>marimba
>NEXT   memory 2
>marimba
>NEXT   memory 3
>marimba
>NEXT   memory 1
>MUTE
>----------------------------------------
>I'll write down the melody/harmony fragments seperately sometimes.
>I don't PLAY from these notes, I use them when I forget what I did, 
>usually along with a tape of a performance.
>
>I find I have to struggle with the structure.  The Echoplex interface 
>seems ideally suited for improvisational playing and much less so for 
>structured playing.
>
>The overall effect I term "Experimental Tradtional Music".  I have some 
>ideas I work from but I'm still finding my way in trying to incorporate 
>looping with traditional or structured music.
>
>

Subject: Re: Any AXON user loopers out there?
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:55:40 -0500
From: Grover Sheffield <gls@mindspring.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 

Gerry P, 
        I use an NGC-77 occasionally, not much for looping.  Let me know if
Ican be of assistance.       Grover


At 08:17 PM 6/7/98 -0000, you wrote:
>if any AXON users - in particular the AXON 100 - are out there in looper
>land, and wouldn't mind offering me some insight into this product, please
>email me direct
>
>thanks
>gerry
>manda@norlink.net
>
>
>

Subject: Re: tape loops
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:34:14 EDT
From: Crossedout@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 

In a message dated 98-06-08 20:09:33 EDT, you write:

<< does anyone know if there  is any way to modify a 1/4" eight track reel to
create tape loops of an significant length. 
  >>

If you set the machine on it's back so that the reels are parallel with the
table surface, you can take a small mic stand or something to put an extra
reel on. That way, you feed the slack of the long loop over the spare third
reel and move the support for the third reel away from the tape machine until
the tape is tensioned sufficiently. 

If this makes no sense, give me a buzz and I'll try to explain more clearly -
sorry if it's fuzzy, it's almost one in the morning and I'm kinda crosseyed
from lack of sleep. 

good luck. 

- Bill 
Crossedout@aol.com

Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:38:01 EDT
From: Crossedout@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 

Kim - 

bless you for your tireless efforts to help the poor, pathetic, downtrodden
souls who don't know an "unsubscribe" e-mail from a hole in the ground and/or
their asses. 

I'm trying to find the Catholic Church's web site - I'm putting you in for
Sainthood. 

- Bill
Crossedout@aol.com
  From ???@??? Tue Jun 09 10:32:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA24719; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:19:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:19:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980609110618.10e70972@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:06:18 To: pharlan@efn.org From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Folk/Celtic Looping Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <357C186B.1BED@efn.org> References: <3.0.1.16.19980608181721.192f96cc@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"CJ_cK1.0.D16.SuFVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> I'm really not aware of any Celtic loopers per se. There is a big >> techno/Celtic crossover movement - Shooglenifty, Afro Celt Sound System, >> Peatbog Faeries, etcetc - Shooglenifty describe themselves as "Acid Croft" >> (a croft is a traditionan farm - er - house). But I don't know of anybody >> actually looping. >Not sure what label(s) to put on this band, but if anybody hasn't heard >them, I'd recommend Mouth Music. Nice blend of indigenous Scottish music >with African beats and technoish electronics. Definitely some loop-like >stuff in the mix at times. I'd attach a similar label to them - I'm familiar with thir work, though I've not actually heard any, but I know they share a number of bandmembers with Shooglenifty (as do the more mainstream (ie Clannadesque) Capercaillie). A good introduction to contemporary Celitic is on the EMI collection "Folk'n Hell" (think about it). Not the best tracks, but most of the prominent players. Michael Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Griff raised his stunted barber's pole. "And where do you think you are going with your old black bag?" Grandpa said: "I am going to Llangadock to be buried" "But you aren't dead yet, Dai Thomas" -Dylan Thomas --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Tue Jun 09 11:33:37 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:25:21 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yjT5C-0004dn-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:25:18 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <357D6704.6AA2CFFF@intekinfo.com> References: <199806090705.DAA19792@luis.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:14:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: "unsubscribe" Resent-Message-ID: <"rVN3xB.A.cqD.qvXf1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5889 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:25:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 7de2cac080c6a4fa337e81b2ee1373e3 > "unsubscribe" > >Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com wrote: [entire digest, containing unsubscribe instructions and several discussions of the subject deleted...] I'm overwhelmed...... not to mention ashamed to be in the same species..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 09 11:58:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA14726; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:34:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:34:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:33:40 -0400 From: "Paul J. Dresher" Subject: Bye for Now Sender: "Paul J. Dresher" To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199806091434_MC2-3FAD-183F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"uN15p2.0.fZ3.p0OVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/95 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers: While I am in the midst of dialogues on a couple of threads, I have to sign off for several days as I will be traveling out of e-mail's reach. However, I'll be picking up the digests when I return. Bye for now. Paul Dresher From ???@??? Tue Jun 09 19:27:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA11278; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:43:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:43:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980609233809.006d8814@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:38:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: new weird little programs (for PC) Resent-Message-ID: <"32D6c2.0.Xk2.dXSVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/97 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com (sorry if this is a repetition. I've some problems with my mail system...) Hi all PC loopers talking about software I've just discovered these progs on the Net. - Buzz 1.5a. Incredible approach to make music... I can't define it, it's a sampler, a tracker, a seq, a multiFX, a synth, I don't know...it's all together. You connect machines, FX and .wav all together and program your lines to make some realy cool patterns... You have to spend some time to learn to use it but you can get amazing results!! Export to .wav. And it's FREEWARE.... - Orangator 2.0. A virtual synth with a seq/tracker inside and the option to export to .wav your sounds. A lot of flexibility, from synth pads, to drum sounds to special effects and flavours. Big number of presets, from bass to arpeggiated lines, killer kicks and snares, grooves. Great sound quality. FREEWARE too!!! - Fruity loops. Brilliant drum sequencer. Like hammerhead but works directly with .wavs. Best suited for single sounds, unlimited number of traks, great sound editing and processing for each channel (cut off, ring modulator, delay, pre amp, etc.). - fruity traks. SAme concept, beta version available for 1 month. Nice interface but I've not used a lot to say more... -AXS 2.01 d. DOS prog, Synth emulator. Some problems with my PC. I'm trying to resolve them because it could be an useful tool. and here you can find every link you need: http://www.maz-sound.com see "tracker" section... ciao leo From ???@??? Mon Jun 08 20:44:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA05459; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:00:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:00:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Steve Smith" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:05:43 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd9414$460c2620$54e8d6cc@ssteve.missconet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01BD93EA.5D361E20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"UUoyK1.0.PJ1.vS9Vr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com
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Wed Jun 10 01:18:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA10276; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:40:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:40:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@bway.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD9318.E06D4E80@chl-nj4-10.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:36:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: tape loops Resent-Message-ID: <"hgy4f.0.wP2.V_VVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/99 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You will want to contact Paul Dresher or Eric Muhs, both of whom have worked in this way with four-track machines. I see Paul has just signed off for a while, though.... ericmuhs@yahoo.com PaulDresher@compuserve.com >does anyone know if there is any way to modify a 1/4" eight track reel to >create tape loops of an significant length. > >Just a thought for a machine that's collecting dust. > >Thanks in advance for any suggestions. From ???@??? Wed Jun 10 01:19:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA02642; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:11:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:11:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980610050407.006dc6a8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:04:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: tape loops Resent-Message-ID: <"wwBGe1.0.EZ.wLXVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Pat Kirtley had a nice post on this subject some time back. He sent me some gifs to go along with it so I could make it into a web page. Sadly, I haven't had time to do it yet. If anybody wants to help out and put this page together, I could send you the stuff. kim At 11:36 PM 6/9/98 -0500, David Myers wrote: >You will want to contact Paul Dresher or Eric Muhs, both of whom have >worked in this way with four-track machines. I see Paul has just signed >off for a while, though.... > >ericmuhs@yahoo.com > >PaulDresher@compuserve.com > >>does anyone know if there is any way to modify a 1/4" eight track reel to >>create tape loops of an significant length. >> >>Just a thought for a machine that's collecting dust. >> >>Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > From ???@??? Wed Jun 10 01:19:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA20889; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:48:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:48:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980610054059.006de690@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:40:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: structured looping interface (was Folk/Celtic Looping) Resent-Message-ID: <"AnFGj3.0.P45.UuXVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:42 AM 6/9/97 -0500, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >Kim Flint wrote: >> >> What do you think would be a more useful interface for real-time looping >> with more structured music? Any ideas of what would work better for you? (or >> anyone else?) > >Yes, that's the $1,000 question. I wish I knew the answer. I've some partly developed >(half-baked?) ideas. Ever since your posting on "Looping and Composing" I've been thinking >about this. I want to put some of these ideas together in a coherent (hopefully) form. In the >meantime, here some less coherent writing: > >1) I use two EDPs to given me more control over the structure of the compostion. The problem is >shifting control parameters, such as 8ths/Beat, Sync, etc from song to song. I agree with Mr. >Dresher's comments - > >"In my work, the ideal way to make structured >composing/performance on these units more practical would be to simply have >these various parameter set-ups stored as programs which could be recalled >with a MIDI program change, just like storing synth or DSP programs." > >I think I can solve this problem with something like the Peavey PC 1600. Yes, we agree with that too. We are planning to add presets in some future software upgrade. (we're a long way from releasing that, so don't go askin' yet. :-) The standard echoplex hardware only has enough non-volatile memory for about 4 presets, which isn't so great. We'll probably make the software support a sort of hardware upgrade, where you can change a part on the board and get more preset memory. That will allow you to make rapid parameter changes with program change messages. As it is you can program the echoplex on the fly with a sequencer, and have sequences that make particular parameter changes, but that's probably a bit awkward. >2) In my structured compositions, for a given piece I always tap the same footswitches in exactly >the same order. I don't want to use a sequencer to do this; I may choose, in the course of a >performance, to vary how many times I play with a particular loop, among other reasons. >Therefore, I think of using a single footswitch, preprogrammed to "walk" through a cycle of >functions with each press. This device would really be a front-end to multiple EDPs. For >example, in the schema for "Campbell's Farewell to Redgap" (a portion below) > > >The "preprogrammed single switch controller" would function something like: > >time -> >single switch: 1st press 2nd press 3rd press 4th press > >EDP commands sent: REC REC OVERDUB OVERDUB, MULTIPLE > >etc. There are midi foot controllers that can do this. My Digitech PMC-10 has a sequence mode, where a given bank is actually a sequence of patches. You can increment or decrement through the patch sequence by tapping a pedal. It even lets you increment or decrement with out sending the patch, so you can jump to another part of the sequence. The patches can each be fairly complicated midi strings, so this is a potentially very powerful thing. (I haven't used this feature yet, but it's another reason why the good old PMC-10 may be the best $100 I ever spent.) You can find them used reasonably easy, I'd recommend it. It is a really interesting idea for a more structure-friendly loop device, BTW. >3) A programmable "assistant" (Here's a real "blue sky" idea, I hesitate sharing it.) - This >unit would have selectable or programmable "feature recognizers". For example, I could set it up >so that, when I touch a particular button, it means "I have a theme in memory 1, with variations >in memories 2, 3 and 4 (or loopers 1, 2, 3, and 4), now generate theme-and-variations". I'm >thinking of some type of programmable AI rule-set that, when particular features are recognized, >cause particular actions. This could be something as simple as Reich's phasing approach or >considerably more complicated. I'm really interested in that sort of thing, but it's pretty complicated technically! Especially in the general case, where somebody could do any possible thing, and the device has to react in the way they want it to. a tough one. Have you ever used Opcode's Max? There are neural net objects available that you could train for purposes like this. It takes a bit of effort to get it working right, but the results can be very impressive. You could probably do some pretty cool max-based theme and variation patches without the neural nets too. You might try exploring that as a front end to the echoplexes. They do a lot of research in this area at CNMAT. (center for new music and audio technology at UC Berkeley, http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu) Prof. David Wessel is a big proponent of AI approaches to interactive musical instruments. you might want to check and see what they are up to in this area. kim From ???@??? Wed Jun 10 01:19:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA21361; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:55:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:55:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: tape loops Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:52:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01bd9433$eeb93500$c01c8ed1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980610050407.006dc6a8@pop.chromatic.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"-LrGU.0._B5.U-XVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Me! I'll do it. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@chromatic.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 10:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: tape loops Pat Kirtley had a nice post on this subject some time back. He sent me some gifs to go along with it so I could make it into a web page. Sadly, I haven't had time to do it yet. If anybody wants to help out and put this page together, I could send you the stuff. kim At 11:36 PM 6/9/98 -0500, David Myers wrote: >You will want to contact Paul Dresher or Eric Muhs, both of whom have >worked in this way with four-track machines. I see Paul has just signed >off for a while, though.... > >ericmuhs@yahoo.com > >PaulDresher@compuserve.com > >>does anyone know if there is any way to modify a 1/4" eight track reel to >>create tape loops of an significant length. >> >>Just a thought for a machine that's collecting dust. >> >>Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > From ???@??? Wed Jun 10 01:19:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA26142; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:43:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:43:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980610004000.007a77a0@jps.net> X-Sender: cobweber@jps.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:40:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Cobby Weber Subject: Re: "unsubscribe" In-Reply-To: References: <357D6704.6AA2CFFF@intekinfo.com> <199806090705.DAA19792@luis.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Z6MNV2.0.XM6.MaZVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >I'm overwhelmed...... > >not to mention ashamed to be in the same species..... I suppose that's your right... Cobby From ???@??? Wed Jun 10 09:53:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA02596; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 06:12:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 06:12:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980610100416.006cd028@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:04:16 -0700 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Andre's EDP Undo trick Resent-Message-ID: <"KYIie.0.Tc.JlbVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:32 AM 6/9/98 -0700, Andre LaFosse wrote: >Just kidding. damn! :-) >Now HERE'S the intriguing part: > >5) Once you've got a short cycle or two with a fragment of the longer >loop, hit UNDO. Each successive press of UNDO causes a different >cycle-length fragment of the previous, longer loop to emerge. Pressing >UNDO repeatedly morphs this small cycle through all sorts of mutations >of the original longer loop. > >I discovered this along with another Echoplex user a few months ago, and >we were suitably intrigued by the effect. uhhhhh, yeah, we meant for it to do that! It's a feature! Actually, what you've found appears to be some crazy sequence of possible operations that we somehow didn't think all the way through, so it does something a bit unpredictable. Fortunately there are far fewer of these than there used to be! If you had noticed it a year ago while you were beta testing this release, Andre, probably it wouldn't do this. :-) But since you like it this way, maybe it's best left alone. >My question for Kim, then, is: Can you describe (in layman's terms, a la >that great train analogy with which you enacted your mosr recent round >of Andre Damage Control) what's going in the unit when this phenomenon >occurs? I'll skip the train analogies this time.... When you've taken a loop and done all sorts of multiplies and inserts on it to make a more complex loop with many cycles, the echoplex is keeping track of all these different fragments in memory. It makes the loop by churning through them in the right order, and it has to do a lot to keep track of everything. When you do overdubs, it saves this altered version in new memory and preserves the old version, further complicating all the audio fragments the poor echoplex has to remember. (we actually have defragmentation routines going behind the scenes to keep this under control.) If you chop the loop down to some smaller subset of cycles, the echoplex just changes the set of cycles that it jumps through to make the loop. The other stuff is all still there in memory, just unused. For Undo to work, we have to keep track of not just the current loop, but all available previous versions of it that you may wish to undo back to. So while we're doing all the other stuff, we are also tracking the past. In other words, it's a big hairy complicated mess. Getting it all to work right was a complete agony. (mostly experienced by Matthias since he had to deal with all the assembly code...) Undo works by jumping back to the previous section of memory that was being used before you made the last change to the loop. Each time you press it, we jump back to a previous section of memory that we have kept track of, and play that instead. So whatever changes you had made are "undone", and the loop is back the way it was before the change. Typically with Undo, we don't allow it to undo past a point where multiply or insert was done. We assume that the user probably doesn't really mean to do that, since it would unexpectedly change the length of their loop, so Undo is supposed to stop at the point where the multiply was done. Except for the case you just found, that's what it does. So what undo should do for you here is stay on the chopped out section of loop, and not jump back past it. It looks like you've discovered a combination of actions that screws up Undo, so that it loses track of where the last multiply happened. So rather than refusing to let you Undo again, it just goes ahead and lets you. It keeps this loop at the same number of cycles, of the same cycle length. So you jump back to some unpredictable spot, but with the loop length and cycle structure maintained. The audio that happens to be there is left over from some previous loop operations, and that's what you hear. So, I'm happy that for once you found an obscure bug that you like, rather than calling in the army! :-) And only the second bug found LoopIII v5.0, with Claude getting the first one a few weeks ago. So I guess the question is, do you want us to fix it or not? kim From ???@??? Wed Jun 10 09:53:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA20477; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:22:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:22:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <357E5E2C.D38E47CC@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:21:32 +0100 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: "unsubscribe" References: <199806090705.DAA19792@luis.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"10LSo1.0.Hw4.gHgVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > I'm overwhelmed...... > > not to mention ashamed to be in the same species..... > > kim Kim, Are you sure that you aren't pulling some kind of prank? I've been on this list for about a year (!) and there has never been such a bombardment of silliness. Doug Adams said something like this once: Human intellegence is a constant but the population is growing.... trev From ???@??? Wed Jun 10 09:53:03 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 06:39:23 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yjl62-000188-00; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 06:39:22 -0700 Received: from [128.32.191.249] (helo=apocalypse.OCF.Berkeley.EDU) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com id 0yjl62-0001Nn-00; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 06:39:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (ntrembat@localhost) by apocalypse.OCF.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA24775; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 06:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 06:39:10 -0700 (PDT) From: N To: Ciloc Gee cc: loopers Subject: Re: Bassline CDs In-Reply-To: <35787BAA.5261@vvm.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: fe8e96fcc26b2f4fa65ce734e3763471 It strikes me as bizarre that someone could justify selling the unrecouped creative work of another. Neal On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Ciloc Gee wrote: > Anyone point me to a site to get bassline (real bass, not analog) loops > on cd-a or cdrom? I need license-free samples. > > Ciloc > > From ???@??? Wed Jun 10 22:04:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA29684; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:25:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:25:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <357E9765.5435C8C@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:25:41 +0100 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: tape loops References: <01BD9318.E06D4E80@chl-nj4-10.ix.netcom.com> <357EC6FB.7C8E2F0A@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DzSd11.0.eC7.OsjVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bill Moyer wrote: > I usually use a boom stand or tape a > pencil or pen to a stationary object > across the room When I was doing massive tape loop insanity in school, we used underclassman. trev From ???@??? Wed Jun 10 09:53:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA10121; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:41:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:41:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Erwill@flink.com Message-Id: <199806101340.JAA09986@luis.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: 10 Jun 1998 08:37:46 CST Subject: Another Indiana Related Post Resent-Message-ID: <"7aAe03.0.BS2.VpeVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Public Letter To Indiana Celt-Looper.... In a sleep-deprived stupor, I accidently deleted your e-mail to me before I could reply to it. I am a looper in Peoria, IL with friends in LaFayette, IN. I'm there often and was just wondering if this was close enough to come see you play or possibly arrange a gig with you. Please respond via e-mail if you aren't too hurt about being erased :-). Thanks... PS: Kim, you have a marvy list. I won't unsubscribe anytime soon... From ???@??? Wed Jun 10 22:04:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA17192; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:52:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:52:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <357EC6FB.7C8E2F0A@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:48:45 -0700 From: Bill Moyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: tape loops References: <01BD9318.E06D4E80@chl-nj4-10.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iJt2n2.0._84.0NjVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I usually use a boom stand or tape a pencil or pen to a stationary object across the room From ???@??? Wed Jun 10 22:04:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA21324; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:03:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:03:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980610185524.006d72f0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:55:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: "unsubscribe" Resent-Message-ID: <"vQeED.0.S95.EXjVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:21 AM 6/10/98 +0100, tdbajus wrote: >Kim, > >Are you sure that you aren't pulling some kind of prank? I've been on this >list for about a year (!) and there has never been such a bombardment of >silliness. beleive me, I don't have the time.... >Doug Adams said something like this once: > >Human intellegence is a constant but the population is growing.... The real problem is that the population of the internet is growing incredibly fast, and there are so many new people who don't know anything about the traditions and culture of the net or how any of this stuff works. That's ok, everyone has to start somewhere and beginner's mistakes are forgivable. The problem is that there are always some number of people who don't bother to learn about the society they just walked into, and think it's ok to act like a total asshole to people they encounter there. Since all the population is growing, the asshole population is growing too. (unfortunately, assholes are not a constant...) What you see on the list is only a fraction of what I experience behind the scenes, which might explain my general moodiness and bad temper. We are definitely not alone in experiencing this sort of thing. In fact, we have it much better than most, since a list like this generally tends to attract more sophisticated (or at least polite...) users. My girlfriend runs one of the tori amos lists on the net, and you should see the crap she has to put up with. If that's the future, we ain't seen nothin' yet. kim (although, after the various recent public floggings, the number of people screwing up has dropped to 0 in the past few days. Maybe fear is the right approach after all, eh? ;-) From ???@??? Wed Jun 10 22:04:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA17457; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:27:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:27:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980610202502.2223.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:25:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: jp-1 inside EDP To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"LKyqK2.0.sA4.ElkVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, I wrote you personally asking the following questions, but I guess you didn't get the email. What is the purpose of the jumper JP-1 that is inside the EDP? My old echoplex has JP-1 connecting pins 1 to 2. My new echoplex has NO jumper at all. Does it matter? The schematic has the words _run_ and _test_ on this jumper suggesting that 1 to 2 is run and 2 to 3 is test. What is no jumper? The EDP with no jumper seems to work ok, so far. bret _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Wed Jun 10 22:04:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA19281; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:33:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:33:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980610153000.00828100@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:30:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Schematics? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980610185524.006d72f0@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"axVJd3.0.Dg4.HrkVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What's the holdup on the Jam-Man Schematics? From ???@??? Wed Jun 10 22:04:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA26030; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:52:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:52:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980610204916.00e6e4f0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:49:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: jp-1 inside EDP Resent-Message-ID: <"QgPTZ2.0.fI6.F7lVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:25 PM 6/10/98 -0700, you wrote: >Kim, > >I wrote you personally asking the following questions, but I guess you >didn't get the email. yes, I got your mail, but haven't had time to reply. Same goes for any of the other 30 people who sent me mail in the last few days and haven't heard from me. sorry, I'll get to it eventually......I hope...... >What is the purpose of the jumper JP-1 that is >inside the EDP? It has no purpose. It was used in development and disabled later. Doesn't make any difference if the jumper is installed or not. kim From ???@??? Wed Jun 10 22:04:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA00478; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:39:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:39:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <357F4527.2451@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:47:03 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Andre's EDP Undo trick References: <2.2.32.19980610100416.006cd028@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wsE0t2.0.j3.8DqVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > > At 01:32 AM 6/9/98 -0700, Andre LaFosse wrote: > >Just kidding. > > damn! :-) You shan't lose me that easily... (Besides, Kim, you never seem to make it clear how to actually get off this list!) > So what undo should do for you here is stay on the chopped out section of > loop, and not jump back past it. It looks like you've discovered a > combination of actions that screws up Undo, so that it loses track of where > the last multiply happened. So rather than refusing to let you Undo again, > it just goes ahead and lets you. It keeps this loop at the same number of > cycles, of the same cycle length. So you jump back to some unpredictable > spot, but with the loop length and cycle structure maintained. The audio > that happens to be there is left over from some previous loop operations, > and that's what you hear. Wow. It's a really beautiful effect, actually. I quite like it (as did the other user who stumbled onto it with me). Very unpredictable, yet highly musical. > So, I'm happy that for once you found an obscure bug that you like, rather > than calling in the army! :-) Little did you know that an entire legion of self-styled neurotic misinformed alarmists was lurking behind yonder hill, armed with a whole lexicon of mis-spellings for the word "unsubscribe"... > So I guess the question > is, do you want us to fix it or not? Well, if I understand things correctly (hey, there's a first time for everything...), then fixing this "bug" would basically mean that pressing Undo wouldn't do anything after re-multiplying a loop back down to a smaller number of cycles. The way I see it is, if I don't want anything to happen, I can just NOT PRESS UNDO! Whereas the present ideosyncrasy (it seems wrong to call it a bug, somehow) is really a very intriguing (mis)application of the EDP's unique memory allocation and editing layout, with a lot of musical possibilities. So I'd say, hell no, don't "fix" it! I really like the effect. I'd of course be interested in seeing what anyone else thinks of it, but my vote goes towards letting the freak flag fly (so to speak). But I can't imagine why it would be a bother to anyone. --Andre From ???@??? Wed Jun 10 22:04:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA09052; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:04:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:04:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <82b6dafb.3579bb5b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:00:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"OU1qQ1.0.A92.yZqVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Further MPX 100 investigations lead me to believe that it is not a great choice for loopage. True, one can attain a 5.7 second mono delay time--but there is no control over feedback; the given preset for long delay uses a very small amount of feedback. Using a mixer of course (I work with a Mackie 1202VLZ), one can get around this and get some very decent looping, but that is not an ideal solution as a loop package. Also, there is a "Special FX" setting called "Infinite Repeat" which does give internal control over feedback (up to, obviously, infinite repeat or "hold"), but its max delay cycle seems to be half the max--about 2.5 seconds. So, no reason to ditch your JamMen or EDPs; but it's a really nice processor, certainly the coolest thing around for $220! Lotsa nice pitch shifting weirdness available, particularly when I had the Mackie hooked up to pump the regeneration.... David Myers From ???@??? Thu Jun 11 00:45:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA07762; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:37:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:37:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980611072946.00698ee4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:29:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: New percussion looping page on the website! Resent-Message-ID: <"ZH-3S3.0.7s1.TauVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everyone- One of our resident drummers, Rob Cummings, has created a truly excellent tutorial page for the Looper's Delight site on looping for percussionists. So all you percussionists, check it out! For that matter, all you non-percussionists ought to check it out to, because Rob has got some great tips. And definitely check the audio examples! Rob's really got something going on there! My only question is, when can I buy a whole cd of that? here's the url: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tips/percloop/percloop.html enjoy, and thanks Rob! kim From ???@??? Thu Jun 11 01:25:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA24559; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 04:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 04:27:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000e01bd9511$2bca41e0$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: Subject: Re: Bassline CDs Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:15:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Jzovc1.0.kx5.0JvVr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Have you never heard of the excellent Time + Space? They're a UK company that have been selling license free samples since the Atari ST was heralded as an excellent composition tool. They've recently released a new batch of samples called the "Creative Essentials" CDs. You get around 200 - 500 samples per CD for only 19.95. The quality of the samples is top notch - I've bought "Trance Formation" and "House and Garage Construction". There's one in the series called "Killer Bass Grooves" which should meet your needs. You can call Time + Space on 01837 84 11 00, or look at the Web Site: www.timespace.com. Regards, Steve Lauder P.S Ask for a catalogue - there's at least one CD for every music style you can think of! -----Original Message----- From: Ciloc Gee To: N Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: 10 June 1998 18:12 Subject: Re: Bassline CDs >N wrote: >> >> It strikes me as bizarre that someone could justify selling the unrecouped >> creative work of another. >> >> Neal >> >> On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Ciloc Gee wrote: >> >> > Anyone point me to a site to get bassline (real bass, not analog) loops >> > on cd-a or cdrom? I need license-free samples. >> > >> > Ciloc >> > >> > >Again, I am looking for license-free samples. In that case, the artist >who is offering the samples is not looking for any payment other than >the initial fee for the CD itself. Why would the work be unrecouped if I >have paid for the cd which is has had a price set by the artist in the >first place? > >Ciloc > From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 00:50:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA25835; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:31:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:31:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: Buzz Feiten tuning system. Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:23:23 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd956e$66485700$2b1cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"sRhX63.0.nE6.r13Wr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You guys better watch out about this tuning system, because it was meant to keep guitars in tune with pianos...but...pianos by definition are not in tune. And there tuning constantly fluctuates. You simply cannot keep a piano, guitar or any other string instrument in a perfect tuning. Believe me, i correspond with about five or more microtonal theorists, and they know the truth. Check out anything on the web about tuning or just intonation, perhaps freenote records and you to will know the truth. Jeff Collins collinsclan@sprintmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Zwicky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 11:40 PM Subject: Re: Buzz Feiten tuning system. >http://home3.swipnet.se/~w-37192/handbook/feiten.html > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 00:51:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA13901; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:28:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:28:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:24:25 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Jam Man 32 sec. chips Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"-J8Ij.0.xJ3.es3Wr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Someone posted here a month or so back that there was a retailer (in Texas?...don't remember) selling the Jam Man upgrade chips for $59 or something like that. I can't find it in the archives - could someone please send me the info (off list is fine...) Ken R krosser414@aol.com From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 00:51:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA16329; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:35:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:35:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35803EDB.674EAF86@vm.temple.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:32:27 -0400 From: "Sean O'Donnell" Reply-To: sodonne@vm.temple.edu Organization: Temple University Center for Research in Human Development and Education X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jam Man 32 sec. chips References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4f1pI1.0.lx3.lz3Wr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I got mine from Data Memory Systems for $59 including shipping and handling. Their web address is: Sean KRosser414@aol.com wrote: > > Someone posted here a month or so back that there was a retailer (in > Texas?...don't remember) selling the Jam Man upgrade chips for $59 or > something like that. I can't find it in the archives - could someone please > send me the info (off list is fine...) > > Ken R > krosser414@aol.com From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 00:51:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA32110; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:17:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:17:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <4ce2c7be.3580486d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:13:16 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: tuning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"bGT9P1.0.im7.Qa4Wr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 98-06-11 15:29:47 EDT, collinsclan@sprintmail.com writes: << You simply cannot keep a piano, guitar or any other string instrument in a perfect tuning. >> Just a thought, to stir the pot.... since any tuning system is an arbitrary system, and the music which comes of it is the end result, why be concerned with finding a "perfect" tuning? I freaked out when I read an interview with Mike Watt of the Minutemen... he and D. Boon got instruments, and were not even aware that there was a "standard" tuning, much less that the bass "a" string should be tuned an octave lower than the guitar's "a" string, so consequently they were in two seperate, abstract tunings... yet the music that came out is brilliant, and still stands up today, 14-18 years after it was recorded. like I said, just a thought... I'm trying to get my head beyond "the perfect tuning" or the perfect guitar or the means, and just open myself a bit more to the ends... - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 00:51:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA28046; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:31:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:31:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199806120128.DAA00654@online.no> From: "Thomas Whni" To: "COLLINSCLAN" , Subject: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 03:17:06 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IMDz23.0.7o6.aJ8Wr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >.You guys better watch out about this tuning system, because it was meant to keep guitars in tune with pianos...but...pianos by definition are not in tune. And there tuning constantly fluctuates. You simply cannot keep a piano, guitar or any other string instrument in a perfect tuning. Believe me, i correspond with about five or more microtonal theorists, and they know the truth. Check out anything on the web about tuning or just intonation, perhaps freenote records and you to will know the truth. Jeff Collins Hi Jeff , I gotta disagree with you there , buddy.......... I see many flaws in you reasoning here: 1. "its meant to stay in tune with pianos" does this mean that the guitar sounds out of tune when played with a piano? Are the sounds "wrong" and out of tune when Jim Hall plays with Bill Evans?? I dont think so. but my second fret sounds wrong when I compare it with the 14th fret. 2."pianos are by definition not in tune" What do you mean by the phrase "by definition"? Is the definition of "in tune" according to the Western tempered scale or the correct theoretical measurement of pitch(overtones)?? If its the latter then nothing has been in tune for centuries.... As we all now , the Western tempered scale is sort of a "compromise" in order to get all the octaves the same(and thereby allowing polyphony). This is not a problem for us , its been done for centuries. If you mean that the piano is not in tune even in the tempered scale , than you are probably correct , if you study the subject in a "laboratory". Any string that is beeing struck by anothr object (pick , finger , hammer or wrenches) will be a bit sharp the first few micro seconds , before it stabilizes..... But after the string has been set in motion it WILL reach a "core" where the note will ring out in pitch. On pianos , as on every other stringed instrument , all this sounds fine. there is no problem. 3. "I correspond with 5 or more microtonal theorists , and they know the truth" They know the truth about microtonal theory. They don`t know the truth about guitars. I think its easy to forget that this wonderful instrument is not something to be taken so lightly and say "hey , its just a guitar , its been around for ages". Well , its been out of tune for ages , its been bothering ppl for ages that its impossible to tune consistently. The goal is not to get a stringed instrument that is perfectly in tune , but rather to get an instrument that is not seriously FLAWED. The problem , in this particular case , is that the guitar does not work properly INTERNALLY. It has nothing to do with the piano. It has to do with the fact that the guitar is not possible to tune properly. Therefore , its constructed wrong. There is no way we can get the guitar to be in tune on all the frets ,on all the strings SIMULTANIOUSLY. Things are always a bit sharp/flat somewhere(not the most scientific deascription , i know.) If all the strings are Perfectly in tune at the fifth fret on your strat you can bet your whammy the 2nd or 3rd frets are a bit sharp. So the problem is much , much worse than merely "beeing out of tune because it`s a stringed instrument". The problem is rather: "beeing out of tune SOMEWHERE on the instrument all the time , because the instrument is wrongly constructed". A violinist can counter this problem because there are no frets. On a guitar something must be done. Buzz Feiten seems to have solved all this. Bringing only a couple of axes with this system he has convinced a quite impressive group of people: The whole staff at Guitar Player Magazine , Tom Anderson (which , to me , seems like a fella whos got his head on straight) washburn guitars(Grover Washington??) and god knows how many more..... He was able to do this because his guitars sounded better. Bottom line. On its own , this fact should be enough to convince us all. here is the fact that he based his system on: (and this is what convinced me) - string tension is not constant: When you press down at the 5th fret it reqiers more downward pressure than when you play at the 12th fret. And the 4th fret requiers even more than the 5th fret and so on....... I didn`t mean to get on your back , Jeff , but your response provoked me (and thats a good thing in my book!) See, the type of response you gave reminded me of all the looks , comments and people gives to new technology and ideas. Wether its a Roland VG-8 or the quadrophonic sound system , most people are sceptical. And , if the tuning system works , I would certainly hope that it be common knowledge and on EVERY guitar ever made , instead if beeing dismissed my microtonal experts or oldfashioned blues-guitarsits ("aint nobody gettin`near ma` Fender!!!") Yours truly , Thomas W From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 00:51:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA13094; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:21:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:21:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980611212007.006a3754@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:20:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. In-Reply-To: <199806120128.DAA00654@online.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"D2l5l.0.h83.g19Wr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow. Uh yeah. I would have to agree, tuning a guitar is never with any certainty or continuance of. My classical guitar, a '74 Takeharu, is very obviously in a state of such calamity. I can play near low E and have the corresponding E on sometimes High E (AS I tune up I tend to have to compromise) or most blaringly the uppermost as being 1 half step off. Pretty amusing, the tuning fork likes it. I didn't know the change in pitch was due to the pressure exerted on the frets, that seems right on though, and... it sucks, or maybe I'm just senile. Mjh From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 00:52:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA22641; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:47:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:47:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980612024447.00cc7df4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:44:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. Resent-Message-ID: <"Ny9cs.0.5U5.JQ9Wr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ahhh, I always wondered why my guitar sounded a little out of topic...... .....uh, I mean tune..... :-) kim "tuning is for wussies" flint ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 00:52:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA26961; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:59:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:59:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: tuning Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:51:08 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd95ac$f32a6f80$LocalHost@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"KDwUc2.0.oX6.cb9Wr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm with what you're saying and i play out of tune quite often to try new stuff. But the guy's here were speaking in the way that Vai and the other dudes were talking. I'm trying to show them that their guitars will never be "in tune" with the way they were talking. Everyone got me now. Jeff Keep on keeping on. -----Original Message----- From: Crossedout@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 5:14 PM Subject: Re: tuning >In a message dated 98-06-11 15:29:47 EDT, collinsclan@sprintmail.com writes: > ><< You simply cannot keep a > piano, guitar or any other string instrument in a perfect tuning. >> > > >Just a thought, to stir the pot.... since any tuning system is an arbitrary >system, and the music which comes of it is the end result, why be concerned >with finding a "perfect" tuning? > >I freaked out when I read an interview with Mike Watt of the Minutemen... he >and D. Boon got instruments, and were not even aware that there was a >"standard" tuning, much less that the bass "a" string should be tuned an >octave lower than the guitar's "a" string, so consequently they were in two >seperate, abstract tunings... yet the music that came out is brilliant, and >still stands up today, 14-18 years after it was recorded. > >like I said, just a thought... I'm trying to get my head beyond "the perfect >tuning" or the perfect guitar or the means, and just open myself a bit more to >the ends... > >- Bill >Crossedout@aol.com > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 00:52:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA28239; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:02:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:02:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:54:25 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd95ad$68b1b740$5d1cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ziGYq2.0.kr6.ke9Wr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com YEA!!! -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 10:45 PM Subject: Re: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. >ahhh, I always wondered why my guitar sounded a little out of topic...... > >.....uh, I mean tune..... > >:-) > >kim "tuning is for wussies" flint >________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 >Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com >http://www.chromatic.com > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 00:52:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA31564; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:12:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:12:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:08:34 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"qg2mR3.0.Xf7.cn9Wr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One quick point: a Steinberger system guitar available for what's it been now?...15 years or so...doesn't even have to deal with a NUT let alone nut adjustments to improve intonation. And the double ball strings on a Steinberger system stay better in tune then any guitar with a headstock we've ever played. But Buzz is definitly getting a buzz. Best, the LoOpdOctOrs From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 00:52:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA17676; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:06:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:06:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:15:34 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd95b0$5cd09c40$251bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"dvxqx2.0.fG4.8aAWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I always wanted a steinberger. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Fmplautus@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 11:09 PM Subject: Re: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. > >One quick point: a Steinberger system guitar available for what's it been >now?...15 years or so...doesn't even have to deal with a NUT let alone nut >adjustments to improve intonation. > >And the double ball strings on a Steinberger system stay better in tune then >any guitar with a headstock we've ever played. > >But Buzz is definitly getting a buzz. > >Best, >the LoOpdOctOrs > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 00:52:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA30662; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:44:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:44:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980612004022.007a6c20@pop3.afn.org> X-Sender: afn39111@pop3.afn.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:40:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "earthblind, starbound" Subject: Re: computer progs In-Reply-To: <199806100705.DAA24732@luis.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"KoABO1.0.SR7.n7BWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One program I've been trying to do something with on windows 95 is Multiquence, by the makers of Goldwave. it's basically a virtual mixer, like acid, though not as flexible, easy to use, or expensive ($30 as opposed to $400). i've been trying creating a loop with hammerhead or sampling, and then telling Multiquence to loop a number of times. then one can add whatever other loops he wants to. i've built a really nice collaboration between sylvian, fripp, and lamb as a background loop (for spoken text or something). it's a nice program. only problem is if you change the volume for one interation of the loop, that volume change is copied for every iteration. definitely a place where acid is superior. "So you thought that your bolts and your locks would keep me out. You should have known better after all this time. You're going to pay in blood for all your vicious slander.... Let the blood flow." -- Fish -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/ From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 00:52:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA31222; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:45:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:45:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:42:42 -0400 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199806120442.AA01353@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. Resent-Message-ID: <"H_9_o.0.-a7.G9BWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >One quick point: a Steinberger system guitar available for what's it been >now?...15 years or so...doesn't even have to deal with a NUT let alone nut >adjustments to improve intonation. Yeah, I distrust the "perfect intonation is impossible". It may be difficult, and made problematic by temperature changes and other things, but there's no inherent reason. A performer on a fretless instrument obviously can adjust the pitch until it's perfect; then put the fret "there". The only problem is it could be in differenty places on different strings, which would require a change to how things are done--but then Buzz's system doesn't address this problem anyway. >But Buzz is definitly getting a buzz. The only place I've read it is in Electronic Musician, and the article there does not sound like journalism, but more like a press release. I dunno about the other articles on it, but the tone of that article made me very skeptical. Sean From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 00:52:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA11640; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 02:56:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 02:56:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 02:52:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Dark Aether Project Summer Dates Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Bb6a-.0.Ko2.C4DWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Dark Aether Project is: Adam Levin: Stick/Guitar/Loops Yaman Aksu: Fretted and Fretless Guitars/Guitar Synth Brian Griffin: Drums/Percussion ...and guest vocalist: Jason Wilson "...jazz-inflected, often minimalistic progressive...foreboding soundscape[s]...classy...offers mature musicianship without pretentiousness." - John Collinge, Progression Magazine July: 3 - William E. Hare American Legion Hall 2nd & Walnut St. Lansdale, PA with Anekdoten and Always Almost 8 - Unconfirmed NJ show with Anekdoten and Mastermind Stay Tuned 9 - Phantasmagoria 11319 Elkin St. Wheaton, MD (North DC suburb) with Anekdoten 18 - Cafe Tattoo 4825 Belair Rd. Baltimore, MD with Always Almost and Grey Eye Glances August: TBA September: 4 - Local 506 506 West Franklin St. Chapel Hill, NC with Ozone Quartet and Smoking Granny 12 - Orion Studios 2903 Whittington Ave. Baltimore, MD with A Piedi Nudi and Par Lindh Project 19 - LionFish 614 N. 2nd St. Philadelphia, PA with Three Hour Detour As always, you can visit The Dark Aether Project Web Site at http://www.darkaether.net/ for soundbites and more. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 10:11:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA21180; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 06:19:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 06:19:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BD95FB.1AA2F8E0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: Lexicon MPX 100 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:14:24 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8MNVK2.0.yx4.Y_FWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The low budget effects wars are over! Zoom and Alesis can pack > up and go home--the MPX 100 totally kicks ass, and loopers will note a 5.7 > sec delay time. I've heard rumors that David Torn has worked (or currently works) with Lexicon to design a multieffect. Is that true? Is the MPX100 the result of that cooperation? David, any comments on that? michael peters mpeters@csi.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 02:18:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA09815; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:23:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:23:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3580F33C.E9583D85@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:22:06 +0100 From: Olivier Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: Universit catholique de Louvain, Belgium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: tuning References: <199806120705.DAA15448@luis.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fi-9m2.0.XL2.1LEWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The best system to avoid tuning problems: go fretless (which I did once). Now I can be out of tune every time on all strings and notes SIMULTANEOUSLY! :-) Now I'm busy experimenting new tunings with the VG-8... :-) again Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 10:11:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA01912; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:35:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:35:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35810298.D72C2240@nyfac.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:27:36 +0100 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: wuz Buzz, now tuning References: <199806120442.AA01353@world.std.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Tbn9d2.0.ll7.kZKWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sean T Barrett wrote: > Yeah, I distrust the "perfect intonation is impossible". > It may be difficult, and made problematic by temperature > changes and other things, but there's no inherent reason. What about the space between the top of the fret and the fretboard itself? Small differences in finger tension (along the y axis) would change the pitch slightly. Not to mention the difference in tension on the z axis (that is, parallel to the fret)? Fingers are attached to humans, after all, and humans (present company excluded, of course) have been know to be, well, fallible. Also, the magnetic field around electric guitars' pickups alters the vibration of the strings ever so slightly (right?) and their pitch. I get around the problem like this- play out of tune. I like it. I like minor scales over major chords, stacking three semi-tones at once, and bending one string a wee bit without bending the others. Necessity is the mother of technique/style/noise rock. trev From ???@??? Sat Jun 13 01:59:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA29659; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:09:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:09:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: zebra@blueridge.net Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:06:32 -0400 X-Sender: zebravidpro@blueridge.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980612112711.006a72b0@mail.utexas.edu> References: <199806121545.IAA27074@scv1.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. Resent-Message-ID: <"zHqBd2.0.5B7.TCSWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com PLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSSE TTTTTAAAAAAKKKKKKEEEEE zebrabidpro@blueridge.net & zebra@blueridge.net OFF LOPPER's MAILING LIST. MY MOTHER IS GOING TO CUT MY EMAIL if YOU DON'T. YOU CAN PUT BERISFORD@HOTMAIL.COM ON LIST INSTEAD! PLEASE HAVE A HEART AND HELP ME SAVE MY INTERNET LIFE. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS!!!!!! IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN HELP FACILITATE THIS????????????? From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 10:11:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA09808; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:29:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:29:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BD95EC.B9889B40@tor-usr10.074233.aracnet.net> From: Jon Grant To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:21:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Vl81S3.0.3D2.UhJWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think it's a wonderful thing that someone has invented a way to improve the intonation of guitars. Having said this, I'm not about to go out and spend $400 on each of my dozen guitars to get them "fixed". I'm not even going to go right out and have one or two "fixed". I say this because, aside from the fact that I can't afford the money, this new system is far from being standard. Maybe I'm over cautious, but what if I get my favourite guitar refitted and then get used to playing with the new construction? I would no longer be used to compensating for the incorrect intonation on older guitars. This might be a problem. Still, though, I would love to try out the new system, so draw my own conclusions. In my opinion, this invention is long overdue (if it's all it cracks up to be). I'm not sure how exactly he's changed things, whether it's fret spacing or fret height or something else. Does anyone know specifics? (Or could redirect me to a good website with info?) Jon Grant Tian Music www.aracnet.net/~tianmus From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 10:11:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA11755; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:01:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199806121545.IAA27074@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 10:47:18 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"ubsHW2.0.io2.O2LWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >3. "I correspond with 5 or more microtonal theorists , and they know the >truth" >They know the truth about microtonal theory. They don`t know the truth >about guitars. I think its easy to forget that this wonderful instrument is >not something to >be taken so lightly and say "hey , its just a guitar , its been around for >ages". >Well , its been out of tune for ages , its been bothering ppl for ages that >its impossible to tune consistently. The goal is not to get a stringed >instrument that is perfectly in tune , but rather to get an instrument that >is not seriously FLAWED. Being perfectly in tune is overrated. When I see people stop hooking their thumb over the low E to mash down a bass note, I may direct some attention to the "serious flaws" of the guitar, but probably not before then. Given the amount of distortion, vibrato, and pitch-shifting (harmonizers, chorus, flange, etc) in use today, I can't work up too much of a sweat over a few cents in the lower register. And I've also listened to some of the just intonation/microtonal guys (Harry Partch, for instance) and much as I love it, I'd have to say that as far as most of western humanity is concerned, they're WAY out of tune. And (in a desperate attempt to make this of more interest to non-guitarists while still conceding a total lack of looping references), your average synthesizer isn't so in-tune either. I remember Donald Fagen ranting on about how sickingly out-of-tune he found all synthesizers (perhaps he also heard some "serious flaws" in the design), how nigh-on unusable they were, etc, etc. I know some synths can be reprogrammed to any tuning system you favor, but I don't think that it's all that important for most people. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 10:11:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA21834; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:28:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:28:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980612112711.006a72b0@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:27:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. In-Reply-To: <199806121545.IAA27074@scv1.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ruqRG3.0.5H5.oRLWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >And (in a desperate attempt to make this of more interest to >non-guitarists while still conceding a total lack of looping references), >your average synthesizer isn't so in-tune either. I remember Donald >Fagen ranting on about how sickingly out-of-tune he found all >synthesizers (perhaps he also heard some "serious flaws" in the design), >how nigh-on unusable they were, etc, etc. Hmm, did he mention specifically what was wrong with the -Sounds- "most synths" fail in? Wouldn't happen to be a compression, or noise issue? Mjh (off topic, it's terrible, but you know some things.. It will not happen again or I will unsuskribee) From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 10:11:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA26196; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:39:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:39:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199806121631.JAA32818@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 11:33:19 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"y8mm83.0.oL6.WcLWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Hmm, did he mention specifically what was wrong with the -Sounds- "most >synths" fail in? Wouldn't happen to be a compression, or noise issue? No, he was specifically referring to tuning issues, even vs. just intonation, etc. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 10:46:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA14730; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:35:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:35:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35816666.2BD5@efn.org> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:33:26 -0700 From: Peter Harlan Reply-To: pharlan@efn.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: pharlan@efn.org Subject: OT: (long) Re: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. References: <199806121545.IAA27074@scv1.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pguAV3.0.SY3.oQMWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's a good thing this list doesn't seem to have any hardcore advocates of just intonation or other tuning schemes. Note that I'm not being critical of any tuning system whatsoever--I just want to point out that this topic can be as explosive as the computer platform debate (and let's *really* stay away from that one!) And yes, tuning systems are pretty far off-topic for L-D. But... I can't resist chiming in with a couple points, myself. (Okay, you can spank me, but no leather!) People are correct who say that there is no single standard for tuning. This is obvious if you consider the vast range of tuning systems used throughout the world. However, what we know as the major scale was originally based on the naturally occurring overtone series. Overtones of a fundamental frequency create an ascending pattern as follows: (fundamental), octave, 5th, 4th, M3, m3, etc. When composers such as Bach wanted to write music that freely modulated from one key, or tonal center, to another, they felt that the pitches corresponding to the natural overtone series sounded "out of tune" at times. They realized that it is not possible, in theory or in practice, to adjust the pitches of our 12-note chromatic scale so that no matter on which note you build a major scale, the pitches conform to the natural overtone series. Eventually, a compromise was reached in which all major scales would be slightly out of tune with respect to the overtone series, but modulation to all keys would be possible--none would sound "worse" than any other. This tuning system is essentially the one that we have inherited in the West, except that most *acoustic* instruments I know of diverge slightly in idiosyncratic ways from the "ideal". As brass and woodwind players know, their horns are not "in tune" on every note. In fact, many different fingerings have been developed that allow good players to play more or less "in tune", depending on the sound they're going for, and the context in which they're playing. It has been noted that guitars are "out of tune" with themselves. Apparently the Buzz Feiten tuning system can remedy that to some extent. However, for theoretical reasons, no guitar will ever be completely in tune with itself. Again, it's because of the cumulative effect of stacking "in tune" intervals on top of one another. If you tune a guitar so that the A string is exactly the same pitch as the A produced on the low E string, and the D string is exactly the pitch produced on the A string, and so on, your high E string will not be "in tune" with the low E string. Concerning pianos tuning, there is an interesting aspect which is often overlooked: even the octaves on an expertly tuned piano are "out of tune" with each other. This is because we tend to hear very high pitches somewhat flatter than they "really" are, and very low pitches somewhat sharper than the "really" are. To compensate, the highest notes on a piano are tuned sharp and the lowest notes are tuned flat. This is called "stretching". Well, I've rambled enough. My main point is that although there are lots of physical, psychological, historical and cultural factors involved, as musicians we should just use our ears and realize we can choose a tuning system that sounds right to us for whatever we want to do. -Peter From ???@??? Sat Jun 13 01:58:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA13845; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:25:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:25:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980612201940.00e1ea2c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:19:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint (by way of Kim Flint ) Subject: Re: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. Resent-Message-ID: <"m7ykH1.0.823.WtOWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ok, momentarily violating my self-imposed moratorium on off-topic guitar discussions: >>But Buzz is definitly getting a buzz. > >The only place I've read it is in Electronic Musician, and >the article there does not sound like journalism, but more >like a press release. I dunno about the other articles on >it, but the tone of that article made me very skeptical. This fret thing is actually not a new idea. There are a number of guitar manufacturers who have been doing this sort of adjusted fret placement for many years, long before this fellow showed up. So I think you are right to be a bit suspicious of the guy with all the press releases. Maybe his way is a little better, I don't know, but it's not like nobody ever thought of this before. I've seen this discussed at great length on some guitar-centric lists, which is probably where you ought to go for more informed opinions. Welcome to the Music Industry. Do not worry, we will never lie to you. As long as you do as we say, you will be happy. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 13 01:58:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA29732; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:06:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:06:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Schreier, Steven (Steven)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Double Ball Strings Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:00:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"bGA4T1.0.XC7.YWPWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com After waxing and waning in the belltower, I finally speak. Any good sources for double ball strings for me 12-string Steinberger? My local music store has reached "a burden" status... steven schreier@lucent.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 13 01:58:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA16373; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:58:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:58:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: Buzz Fightin' - with REAL loop content! Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:49:46 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd964c$03d1bd80$df1bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"o2x9K2.0.Jx3.7HQWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm glad we've almost all got this out of our system. And I do believe that there are those of us who care about tuning and those who don't. I am in between myself. But i do admit to being incredibly tired of 12 tones, and am in the process of augmenting my guitar with a metal fingerboard. Hopefully those of you who search for more will take the leap yourselves. Always look at things from a different point of view just when you think you know it all. Jeff PS. Any of you DJ's wanna do a long distance improvisation with some weird guitar player...namely me. -----Original Message----- From: Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 1:19 PM Subject: Buzz Fightin' - with REAL loop content! >Kim said, as he often does, >>>ahhh, I always wondered why my guitar sounded a little out of topic...... >>>.....uh, I mean tune..... > >Matthew "hey, your initials are almost the same as mine!" said: >>Hey where's the looping content? Even in this reply I...(: (right back at >>ya! heh heh. Seriously though the instruments by which one propagates >>loops, must be harped on, or I guess then DJs are not worth bringing up >>either. Heh heh, says I in the general hubbub.) > >Howzabout this - by introducing tuning flaws across a playing >surface/range, you more accurately portray the differences between >instruments when looping? What I mean is, you might get a neater >"separation" between loop tracks if you're *slightly* out of tune on the >next pass. It sounds a lot less contrived than a chorus pedal, and >contributes no small part in the phenomenally lush sound of an orchestral >string section... > >mph > >who likes his guitar the way it is >and never ever noticed it being out of tune >thankyouverymuch > > > > Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Mr. Griff raised his stunted barber's pole. "And where do > you think you are going with your old black bag?" > Grandpa said: "I am going to Llangadock to be buried" > "But you aren't dead yet, Dai Thomas" -Dylan Thomas > --------------------------------------------------------------- > www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk > > From ???@??? Sat Jun 13 01:58:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA16802; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:59:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:59:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004701bd964c$f3ba5dc0$8f23dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Suggestions, Anyone? Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:56:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"yvLiZ.0.B34.CIQWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Folks! Again I find myself wondering whom would be deserving of a dedication via The Loop Of The Week... they don't have to be dead, you know! Just doing some good while they're here... Emails please: sgoodman@earthlight.net Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week (still this week, Clara Rockmore)! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Sat Jun 13 01:59:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA23250; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:20:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:20:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980612221502.1230.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.173.239.46] From: "eric potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Is the new EDP more than just a software update? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:15:01 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"7rD0I3.0.VW5.JaQWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm trolling for an EDP. One option is a used one with full memory and foot controller for $500. Figure in $45 for new software, not a bad deal, right? But I'm wondering if there is more to the latest EDP bought new than just the software update (which, don't get me wrong, is a fantastic improvement) Were there changes to the hardware or controls, etc. Am I missing out by not buying the new box? thanks all, -eric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 13 01:59:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA30468; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:11:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:11:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0393D3D@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:09:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"_5HPa3.0.SP7.cESWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ouch > ---------- > From: zebra@blueridge.net > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Friday, June 12, 1998 5:06 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. > > PLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSSE > TTTTTAAAAAAKKKKKKEEEEE > zebrabidpro@blueridge.net > & zebra@blueridge.net > > OFF LOPPER's MAILING LIST. MY MOTHER IS GOING TO CUT MY EMAIL if YOU > DON'T. > > YOU CAN PUT BERISFORD@HOTMAIL.COM ON LIST INSTEAD! > > > PLEASE HAVE A HEART AND HELP ME SAVE MY INTERNET LIFE. > > PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > THANKS!!!!!! > > IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN HELP FACILITATE THIS????????????? > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 10:20:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA09142; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:21:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:21:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980612190344.0967c574@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:03:44 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Buzz Fightin' - with REAL loop content! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980612111317.006a1e7c@mail.utexas.edu> References: <2.2.32.19980612024447.00cc7df4@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ww9Lv.0.-32.VCMWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim said, as he often does, >>ahhh, I always wondered why my guitar sounded a little out of topic...... >>.....uh, I mean tune..... Matthew "hey, your initials are almost the same as mine!" said: >Hey where's the looping content? Even in this reply I...(: (right back at >ya! heh heh. Seriously though the instruments by which one propagates >loops, must be harped on, or I guess then DJs are not worth bringing up >either. Heh heh, says I in the general hubbub.) Howzabout this - by introducing tuning flaws across a playing surface/range, you more accurately portray the differences between instruments when looping? What I mean is, you might get a neater "separation" between loop tracks if you're *slightly* out of tune on the next pass. It sounds a lot less contrived than a chorus pedal, and contributes no small part in the phenomenally lush sound of an orchestral string section... mph who likes his guitar the way it is and never ever noticed it being out of tune thankyouverymuch Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Griff raised his stunted barber's pole. "And where do you think you are going with your old black bag?" Grandpa said: "I am going to Llangadock to be buried" "But you aren't dead yet, Dai Thomas" -Dylan Thomas --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Fri Jun 12 10:46:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA12658; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:30:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:30:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980612191405.0967f938@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:14:05 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Folk/Celtic Looping In-Reply-To: <01BD92D7.0B9E7580@tor-usr20.075011.aracnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bIwf7.0.A33.sLMWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jon Grant, a few days ago: > recall hearing a few things on this subject occasionally from some of our >brothers in the U.K. I'm interested because I've just finished an album of traditional >Scottish/Irish/English music that includes some looping, as well as traditional Folk >instruments, etc. I've just listened to your samples on your website - they sound great, but do any of them feature looping? I can't detect any, but I'm also listening on a lousy lab setup. Excellent music - do you listen to Steeleye Span at all btw? Michael PS Your album is entitled "three ravens" - this is one of my favourite Renaissance English pieces! Do you have the complete lyrics? My recording is a bit unclear in places. "There were three ravens sat on a tree, down, a-down say down......" Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Griff raised his stunted barber's pole. "And where do you think you are going with your old black bag?" Grandpa said: "I am going to Llangadock to be buried" "But you aren't dead yet, Dai Thomas" -Dylan Thomas --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Sat Jun 13 01:59:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA14327; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:08:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:08:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199806130405.GAA06430@online.no> From: "Thomas Whni" To: Subject: Not so angry reply :-) Buzz Feiten tuning system. Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 06:00:49 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lEJyC1.0.SS3.7iVWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all , a thought just occured to me. Maybe you all are right when you advise to be cautious of Mr. Feiten`s "revolution". Maybe he is a a good businessman , on top of beeing an inventor. Maybe he isn`t an inventor at all? I guess I got carried away in all my youthfull naivety. Thank you for bringing reality to my attention. Now , if you`ll exuse me , I may or may not have won a price if I just open this envelope I got in the mail. Who knows , maybe it`s my lucky day??? :-) Yours truly , Thomas W PS. In Norwegian , the word "feiten" means "fatso" , or "really fat guy". Maybe that should have been my wake-up call?? From ???@??? Sat Jun 13 01:59:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA00662; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:32:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:32:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: dimension 12 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:24:35 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd9693$ef86f500$0a1bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RV5_k3.0.m6.opXWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does anyone really use this. i just checked it out at a local store and thought of it cool, but couldn't do the things i really wanted like sound on sound and backwards noise with forward noise. does anyone know the REAL in's and out's of this yet? please let me know. Jeff Collins collinsclan@sprintmail.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 13 01:59:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA32326; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:01:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:01:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Erwill@flink.com Message-Id: <199806130800.EAA32083@luis.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: 13 Jun 1998 02:57:20 CST Subject: RE: Piano Tuning Resent-Message-ID: <"MpJ-m.0.Sr7.r6ZWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com PH>Concerning pianos tuning, there is an interesting aspect which PH>is often overlooked: even the octaves on an expertly tuned piano PH>are "out of tune" with each other. This is because we tend to PH>hear very high pitches somewhat flatter than they "really" are, PH>and very low pitches somewhat sharper than the "really" are. To PH>compensate, the highest notes on a piano are tuned sharp and the PH>lowest notes are tuned flat. This is called "stretching". Actually, the reason pianos are "stretched" has nothing to do with the way we hear pitches, but the inherent out-of-tune-ness of a piano. If you were to analyse a piano sample via FFT, you would notice that the harmonics become progressively _sharper_. So, if you were to tune a piano to an equal temperment, chords with bass tones would sound very out of tune, even though the individual pitches would be spot-on. This is one of the reasons I don't like the sound of a piano in an ensemble context, it never sounds right. Coincidently, this is what Don Fagan was thinking of when he claimed that all digital pianos were out of tune, except for the Roland. He got reamed with letters to Keyboard magazine after he said that, because he didn't explain what he was talking about. My Roland XP-80 workstation offers three degrees of "stretcheyness", but I'm an organist at heart, so it doesn't matter to me. -- Eric Williamson - erwill@flink.com - erwill@hotmail.com - aka Suit & Tie Guy Join the "Suit & Tie List" - send mail to majordomo@marshall.ssi.net with the words "subscribe suit_and_tie_shows " in the body. From ???@??? Sat Jun 13 22:35:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA12698; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:07:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:07:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clark Battle" To: Subject: For Sale: Digital Echoplex & footpedal Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:02:29 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980614020427.JGGB21728@default> Resent-Message-ID: <"n1Jts1.0.w23.w0pWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For sale: Oberheim Digital Echoplex w/ controller footpedal 52 seconds of memory. 4 months old. Never left my apartment. Perfect condition in original boxes with manual. $650 firm. From ???@??? Sun Jun 14 02:42:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA00177; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 05:19:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 05:19:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005401bd9775$0bf64a60$0b22dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: The Loop Of The Week #114: Jeanette Nolan (1912-1998) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:15:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"rJYib3.0.a_7.oLvWr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Fellow Loopers! This LOTW is dedicated to Jeanette Nolan (1912-1998), a 70-year star of film, theater, radio, and television, who passed June 5. Her first film role was Lady Macbeth in the Orson Welles "Macbeth" (1948), and Jeannette co-starred in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962), and True Confessions (1981), amongst others. Her approach to the business with her husband, John McIntire, was unique, in that they showed themselves capable of more than just film work, and their relationship stands as a good example as well. So drop in and download - and let me know whatcha think! Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week, Jeanette Nolan)! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Sun Jun 14 12:22:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA31164; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:27:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:27:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BD9787.2A6B5BE0@tor-usr20.075034.aracnet.net> From: Jon Grant To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Folk/Celtic Looping Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:18:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IN0_N3.0.GZ7.bk-Wr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've actually just finished the album - the new website update will be up in about a week. It will include a page dedicated to the Folk Album. As far as "the Three Ravens" goes: I do a version of that song on the album with looped instruments (tamboura, guitars, flutes) and a whole ethnic kinda flavour. The songs on the album range from traditional celtic arrangements to relatively wierd stuff and even rock-type and orchestral stuff. I can E-mail you the lyrics, if you like. I do use loops on a number of pieces, but nothing too radical. I tried putting some heavier textures and loops in, but they just didn't seem to fit as well as the simpler stuff. I think it's just a phase I've been in for the last couple of months. Lately, I'm feeling a little more minimal that most (guitar) loopers I know. I used to listen to a lot of Steel Eye Span, as well as Fairport Convention. When the new audio clips are up at my website, you should revisit them: the complete versions feature some fantastic fiddle playing by Canadian Jamie Snider. I played guitars, basses, mandolins, as well as various wind and string instruments, plus a lot of percussion. Surprisingly, I'm very pleased with how the mastered versions of the songs sound. Cheers, Jon Grant Tian Music www.aracnet.net/~tianmus ---------- From: Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D.[SMTP:pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, June 12, 1998 3:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Folk/Celtic Looping Jon Grant, a few days ago: > recall hearing a few things on this subject occasionally from some of our >brothers in the U.K. I'm interested because I've just finished an album of traditional >Scottish/Irish/English music that includes some looping, as well as traditional Folk >instruments, etc. I've just listened to your samples on your website - they sound great, but do any of them feature looping? I can't detect any, but I'm also listening on a lousy lab setup. Excellent music - do you listen to Steeleye Span at all btw? Michael PS Your album is entitled "three ravens" - this is one of my favourite Renaissance English pieces! Do you have the complete lyrics? My recording is a bit unclear in places. "There were three ravens sat on a tree, down, a-down say down......" Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Griff raised his stunted barber's pole. "And where do you think you are going with your old black bag?" Grandpa said: "I am going to Llangadock to be buried" "But you aren't dead yet, Dai Thomas" -Dylan Thomas --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Mon Jun 15 10:40:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA21562; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 05:41:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 05:41:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980615093329.006c9bac@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 02:33:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: new stuff on the web site Resent-Message-ID: <"4gM0x.0.-C5.ZmEXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just added a couple new things to the web site: Pat Kirtley created some nice articles on setting yourself up for tape looping with reel to reel machines, and on the restoration of old tapes. I've had these sitting around in raw form for a while, but hadn't found time for it. Special thanks to Javier Miranda for taking on the project and doing all the html. So thanks Pat and Javier! You can check these out from the "tips and tricks" section of the Looper's Delight website, or go directly with these links: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tips/tape/tape_looping.html http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tips/tape/Baking_Tapes.html http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tips/tape/Squeaking_tapes.html Also, I reorganized and updated the OB echoplex FAQ, with a new section on using echoplexes in stereo. That's here: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html enjoy, kim From ???@??? Mon Jun 15 11:29:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA06198; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:19:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:19:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BD989A.0B2E9670.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:07:57 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EXAKt3.0.AT1.zLMXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Now Available from FNGP Records is the long awaited first CD release from > >FingerPaint, Primary Colors: BLUE. is there any realaudio (or other) to check it out? michael peters mpeters@csi.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ From ???@??? Mon Jun 15 11:29:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA11233; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:32:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:32:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:28:39 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: digest? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"NNk652.0.6h2.GYMXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry-been out of the loop for a while-has the digest been reinstated? From ???@??? Mon Jun 15 23:48:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA19435; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:17:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:17:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:40:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: AW: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE Resent-Message-ID: <"lNrYJ2.0.Rh4.uLTXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >Now Available from FNGP Records is the long awaited first CD release from >> >FingerPaint, Primary Colors: BLUE. > >is there any realaudio (or other) to check it out? > >michael peters mpeters@csi.com >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ Michael, There are two shock wave files up currently on the site at: www.fingerpaint.net The tracks are Rain and Running With the Flood. Let us know what you think. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Mon Jun 15 15:32:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA25266; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:11:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:11:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980615190304.006d3088@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:03:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: LD Profiles Resent-Message-ID: <"NzuZs2.0.176.Z6NXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:43 AM 6/15/98 -0700, Sean Echevarria wrote: >Anyone able to succesfully get through to the profiles page recently ( >http://www.slip.net/~kflint/cgi_bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all ) ? > I guess you figured it out.....the correct address for the web site is: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html The ISP address might change, but the domain name address will stay the same, since that will follow me wherever I go. you shouldn't have been using the slip.net url anyway, for exactly this reason. That just happened to be the address of the ISP I used to be on, but recently left when their growing incompetence became unbearable. thanks, kim From ???@??? Mon Jun 15 15:32:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA28633; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:20:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:20:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980615121601.009caec0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:16:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: LD Profiles In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980615190304.006d3088@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ihpvo1.0.6x6.8FNXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah - thanks. I sent out a followup about 3 minutes after I sent the first msg - don't know why it's taking so long to hit the list. sean At 12:03 PM 6/15/98 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:43 AM 6/15/98 -0700, Sean Echevarria wrote: >>Anyone able to succesfully get through to the profiles page recently ( >>http://www.slip.net/~kflint/cgi_bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all ) ? >> > >I guess you figured it out.....the correct address for the web site is: > From ???@??? Mon Jun 15 15:33:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA30363; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:52:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:52:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <358589B4.D0228989@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:53:13 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT: Booze Feetin' Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t12eh3.0.JM7.mbOXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just joking, heh heh No looping content here. But... anyone know why it is that on occasion, maybe, like, once a day, I get a posting from this list that has no line returns, i.e. the message runs out the window to the right, making me scroll like a drunken sailor to read it? I find this mildly annoying, but more to the point, I'd like to know if there is something I've done wrong to cause this anomoly of format (hence something I can do to avoid it, say a recondite preference lodged somewhere in the darker recesses of Communicator), or is it the original poster's mistake (though I've gotta believe it looks okay on their screen pre-posting) or is it just another one of those dumb internet thingies that I just have to get used to...? And actually, a little looping content after all - I finally got my Echoplex the other day (praise Allah) and spent the first 1/2 hr. trying to figure out why my new 4 MB SIMMs didn't work (bought through www.memexpress for real cheap - $10.00 US apiece - thanks Kim for the info). Soon enough I realized the error of my fumble-fingered ways and installed them correctly - didn't get home that night 'till the wee hours though, as this box really is addicting (no reflection on my personality, I hope). Anyway, thanks to all who have passed before me with tips, tricks and insights. I hope someday soon I can return the favor. hasta, Lance G. From ???@??? Mon Jun 15 15:33:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA06619; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:15:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:15:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980615210708.006d1a94@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:07:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: OT: Booze Feetin' Resent-Message-ID: <"mGP2x2.0.XZ1.FxOXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:53 PM 6/15/98 -0700, lance glover wrote: >Just joking, heh heh > >No looping content here. > >But... anyone know why it is that on occasion, maybe, like, once a day, >I get a posting from this list that has no line returns, i.e. the >message runs out the window to the right, making me scroll like a >drunken sailor to read it? I find this mildly annoying, but more to the >point, I'd like to know if there is something I've done wrong to cause >this anomoly of format (hence something I can do to avoid it, say a >recondite preference lodged somewhere in the darker recesses of >Communicator), or is it the original poster's mistake (though I've gotta >believe it looks okay on their screen pre-posting) or is it just another >one of those dumb internet thingies that I just have to get used to...? I think that has to do with the sender's mail program being configured wrong, or possibly just being a lame mail program. It has nothing to do with your mail program or the list. One of those inane line feed vs. carriage return problems that the ancients have left us with. You might be able to set your mail program to wrap those lines for you, Eudora does that for me. It gets screwy when you quote it though. It's irritating, but not as much as when email gets formatted as html code.... So right now, everyone go to your mail program's preferences, and make sure that for sending mail "word wrap" or it's equivalent is selected, and "send as html" is NOT selected. then the world will be a little bit better. >And actually, a little looping content after all - > >I finally got my Echoplex the other day (praise Allah) and spent the [....] >reflection on my personality, I hope). Anyway, thanks to all who have >passed before me with tips, tricks and insights. I hope someday soon I >can return the favor. I've got some house chores that need doing. You're welcome to stop by anytime. :-) kim _________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research 408-752-9284 http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 15 15:33:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA18201; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:49:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:49:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980615143053.006875e4@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> X-Sender: cavaleri@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:30:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: Double Ball Strings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"glW3O.0.sO4.kQPXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Steven, I given up all hope of finding double ball end strings at music stores. I have found a very relible source.. Klein Custom Guitars.. Talk to Lorenzo German. Phone: 707-938-4189 Good luck, joe At 03:00 PM 6/12/98 -0600, you wrote: >After waxing and waning in the belltower, I finally speak. Any good sources >for double ball strings for me 12-string Steinberger? My local music store >has reached "a burden" status... > >steven > >schreier@lucent.com > > > From ???@??? Mon Jun 15 15:33:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA25177; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:07:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:07:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980615215911.006ec800@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:59:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Double Ball Strings Resent-Message-ID: <"SE6Ad3.0.X56.fhPXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:30 PM 6/15/98 -0700, Joe Cavaleri wrote: >I have found a very relible source.. Klein Custom Guitars.. Talk to >Lorenzo German. > > Phone: 707-938-4189 they recently moved, new phone number is: 925-516-9338 kim From ???@??? Mon Jun 15 15:33:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA31119; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:22:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:22:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980615222046.14755.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:20:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Is the new EDP more than just a software update? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"RiywI2.0.mX7.zvPXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Eric, Kim would be the expert with this topic, but I have some experience with older/newer EDP so here is my $.02. $500 USD for a full memory EDP with footpedal sounds very good to me. I own an older (96) and a newer EDP (98). I collected some information from Oberheim, and from Kim regarding production changes that have occurred on Echoplex. As far as I can tell, you can upgrade an Older EDP to be functionally equivalent to the New EDP. Several changes are documented on the Loopers Delight Web site, I believe under EDP FAQ. Here are some more notes I got from Kim (the comments are his): ------------- ECO's > >1. R21 - 330k 5% 1/4w CF. >2. R20 - 330k 5% 1/4w CF. This is in the limiter circuit. I wouldn't bother with this, it won't make much difference. >3. R7 - 75k 5% 1/4w CF. changes clipping indication on input LED, good idea to change, but not very important >4. R62 - 10k 5% 1/4w CF. this is correct. allows BrotherSync to work with many more units than before. >5. R75 - 820 ohm 5% 1/4w CF. correct, optimizes a delay time >5. C25 - R 100 ohm 5% 1/4w CF. >6 C26 - R 100 ohm 5% 1/4w CF. This affects the limiter circuit which never worked very well. I would leave it alone. If you really want the digital input limiter working better, I have a better fix for it. It's harder to do and requires tacking a resistor on the bottom. I think it's easier to just set the input gain so that you don't clip.... >7. R13 - R14 - 47.5k 10% 1/4w MF This widens the range of the trimpot adjustment. Don't do this one, since you would then have to readjust the trim pot. If you really want to do that, I could explain it to you. >8. Both Pals upgrade with new equations fixes timing problem that sometimes caused weird display and other problems on a small number of units. >9. Cut Pin 5 of U12 ADC0804CN important, fixes heat problem --------------- In checking my 96 EDP I found all the resistor upgrades were present, except R75, which I changed. I had gotten PALS from Oberheim (during my warranty period), which I changed. I bought the Ver 5.00 Eproms, and installed them. You can open the EDP and visually inspect the resistor locations for the values, and for the cut leg on the ADC. I would not recommend changing resistors in the EDP yourself, unless you feel completely competent changing through hole resistors on a PCBA, and know how to protect static sensitive devices. You might find a GOOD technician, or ask Oberheim if they would make the needed changes (for $ of course). As is apparent from Kim's comments, some changes are more _important_ to performance than others. Some may be irrelevant to you (like brother sync). The Firmware upgrade (EPROMS) to Ver 5.00 is a high priority, in my opinion. bret ---eric potter wrote: > > > I'm trolling for an EDP. One option is a used one with full memory and > foot controller for $500. Figure in $45 for new software, not a bad > deal, right? > > But I'm wondering if there is more to the latest EDP bought new than > just the software update (which, don't get me wrong, is a fantastic > improvement) Were there changes to the hardware or controls, etc. > Am I missing out by not buying the new box? > > thanks all, > -eric > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 15 18:06:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA15755; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:08:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:08:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3585A9C2.79C2C23B@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:09:59 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT: Booze Feetin' References: <2.2.32.19980615210708.006d1a94@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EKvhe2.0.Jo3._aQXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > I've got some house chores that need doing. You're welcome to stop by > anytime. :-) > Okay, but I don't do Windows... -Lance From ???@??? Mon Jun 15 18:06:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA07969; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:16:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:16:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3585B891.BDB26E40@home.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:13:05 -0500 From: Tom Spaulding Reply-To: tspauldiNOSPAM@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Double Ball Strings References: <3.0.32.19980615143053.006875e4@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mb1Tt2.0.uu1.2bRXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think you can also buy them from Gibson Strings a www.gibson.com You can also get your end double-balled at Castro District Music...Talk to anyone... ;) Tom "I Jus' Cain't Hep Mysef" Spaulding Joe Cavaleri wrote: > > Hi Steven, > > I given up all hope of finding double ball end strings at music stores. > I have found a very relible source.. Klein Custom Guitars.. Talk to > Lorenzo German. > > Phone: 707-938-4189 > > Good luck, > > joe > > At 03:00 PM 6/12/98 -0600, you wrote: > >After waxing and waning in the belltower, I finally speak. Any good sources > >for double ball strings for me 12-string Steinberger? My local music store > >has reached "a burden" status... > > > >steven > > > >schreier@lucent.com > > > > > > From ???@??? Mon Jun 15 18:06:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA11567; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:26:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:26:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: fred@fredmarshall.com Message-ID: <3585BAB5.25EC@fredmarshall.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:22:18 -0700 Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: intonation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"66fGN.0.Lo2.VkRXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com - most jazz guitar players just turn the treble practically off to avoid crashing into the "stretch". - aside from that it's just hand-EAR coordination . . . not something one THINKS about, any more than the hand-EYE coordination needed to even pick up the instrument. - I did a record with Henry Kaiser a while back ("Re- Marrying For Money" - Henry Kaiser SST: cat# 222), and after the first run-thru I told him that it was really strange that I had to bend every note to stay even in "ballpark" tune . . . he didn't crack at all and we did the recording. - years later he told me that track was in "just", (i think it was), tuning. - the name of the cut is "The Set-up" and i've wondered since whether that title was in reference to the guitar tuning or to me. mmmmm btw - i was playing my vintage tele, which isn't the most forgiving re/high-end clashes, so there's a whole lotta bending going on. From ???@??? Mon Jun 15 23:48:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA26975; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:37:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:37:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Thomas Whni" To: , Subject: SV: intonation Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:29:59 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd98ce$a8dbbd60$ed084382@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qBepo3.0.eR6.0eTXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all , Nice story , Fred. I agree with what you are saying , but what interests me with this whole Buzz-tuning system is this: The guitars supposedly sounds better. What I asked about to begin with was basically; do they sound better with this system? has anyone ever tried one? thats all I wanna know...........:-) Yours , Thomas From ???@??? Tue Jun 16 10:04:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA23730; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:04:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:04:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <35865100.B69F2134@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:03:34 +0100 From: Olivier Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: Universit catholique de Louvain, Belgium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:tunings (to trev) References: <199806130705.DAA12725@luis.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Z1z7z2.0.3k5.7CaXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Yeah, I distrust the "perfect intonation is impossible". > It may be difficult, and made problematic by temperature > changes and other things, but there's no inherent reason. Yeah? What about the fact that guitar is a tempered instrument. Sorry, C# and Db shouldn't be the same note. Any violinist know that... Guitar is an instrument of compromise. That's why many people like it :-) Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue Jun 16 10:04:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA12457; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:33:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:33:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Debroosky@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:29:26 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: I need some help and info please Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"cvvaC1.0.M_2.D0fXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi I'm looking for Home Interior sellers Loopers. Could you please send me there email address or web address. Thank you Debbie (DEBROOSKY@AOL.COM) From ???@??? Tue Jun 16 10:43:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA31575; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:45:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:45:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: Is the new EDP more than just a software update? Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:35:20 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd994d$2264ba00$LocalHost@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"PjRA7.0.Ag7.nygXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The thing I'm wondering about the new plex, is can it still do the changes that Andre was writing about a little while ago? Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Bret To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Is the new EDP more than just a software update? >Eric, > >Kim would be the expert with this topic, but I have some experience >with older/newer EDP so here is my $.02. > >$500 USD for a full memory EDP with footpedal sounds very good to me. > >I own an older (96) and a newer EDP (98). I collected some >information from Oberheim, and from Kim regarding production changes >that have occurred on Echoplex. As far as I can tell, you can upgrade >an Older EDP to be functionally equivalent to the New EDP. Several >changes are documented on the Loopers Delight Web site, I believe >under EDP FAQ. Here are some more notes I got from Kim (the comments >are his): >------------- >ECO's >> >>1. R21 - 330k 5% 1/4w CF. >>2. R20 - 330k 5% 1/4w CF. > This is in the limiter circuit. I wouldn't bother with this, >it won't make much difference. >>3. R7 - 75k 5% 1/4w CF. > changes clipping indication on input LED, good idea to change, >but not very important >>4. R62 - 10k 5% 1/4w CF. > this is correct. allows BrotherSync to work with many more >units than before. >>5. R75 - 820 ohm 5% 1/4w CF. > correct, optimizes a delay time >>5. C25 - R 100 ohm 5% 1/4w CF. >>6 C26 - R 100 ohm 5% 1/4w CF. > This affects the limiter circuit which never worked very well. > I would leave it alone. If you really want the digital input limiter >working better, I have a better fix for it. It's harder to do and >requires tacking a resistor on the bottom. I think it's easier to just >set the input gain so that you don't clip.... >>7. R13 - R14 - 47.5k 10% 1/4w MF > This widens the range of the trimpot adjustment. Don't do this >one, since you would then have to readjust the trim pot. If you really >want to do that, I could explain it to you. >>8. Both Pals upgrade with new equations > fixes timing problem that sometimes caused weird display and >other problems on a small number of units. >>9. Cut Pin 5 of U12 ADC0804CN > important, fixes heat problem >--------------- >In checking my 96 EDP I found all the resistor upgrades were present, >except R75, which I changed. I had gotten PALS from Oberheim (during >my warranty period), which I changed. I bought the Ver 5.00 Eproms, >and installed them. > >You can open the EDP and visually inspect the resistor locations for >the values, and for the cut leg on the ADC. > >I would not recommend changing resistors in the EDP yourself, unless >you feel completely competent changing through hole resistors on a >PCBA, and know how to protect static sensitive devices. You might >find a GOOD technician, or ask Oberheim if they would make the needed >changes (for $ of course). > >As is apparent from Kim's comments, some changes are more _important_ >to performance than others. Some may be irrelevant to you (like >brother sync). The Firmware upgrade (EPROMS) to Ver 5.00 is a high >priority, in my opinion. > >bret > >---eric potter wrote: >> >> >> I'm trolling for an EDP. One option is a used one with full memory >and >> foot controller for $500. Figure in $45 for new software, not a bad >> deal, right? >> >> But I'm wondering if there is more to the latest EDP bought new than >> just the software update (which, don't get me wrong, is a fantastic >> improvement) Were there changes to the hardware or controls, etc. >> Am I missing out by not buying the new box? >> >> thanks all, >> -eric >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From ???@??? Tue Jun 16 12:54:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA27712; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:00:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:00:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0393D49@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Concert Ad Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:57:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"UMoXP2.0.Oj6.93iXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Okay . . . well this is (again) a non-looping post. Go see this band. The Gerry Hemingway Quartet: Gerry Hemingway (drums, perc), Ray Anderson (trombone), Ellery Eskelin (tenor saxophone), Mark Dresser (acoustic bass). Saw 'em last night. PHENOMENAL. Dresser told me that they "always go for the jugular" and I believe it. All of 'em are great players and have a wonderful chemistry. If you're within distance, go see 'em. June 16-Oakland, Beanbenders June 18-Seattle, WA., Earshot Jazz From ???@??? Tue Jun 16 12:54:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA30171; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:06:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:06:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980616190533.8360.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:05:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Is the new EDP more than just a software update? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"OreK_.0.mJ7.W8iXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, With Ver 5.00, you can still do the multiply (increase # copies of first loop), overdub, multiply (decrease # copies of the first loop, now with overdub on top), and then undo through the copies to hear the different overdubs. ---COLLINSCLAN wrote: > > The thing I'm wondering about the new plex, is can it still do the changes > that Andre was writing about a little while ago? > Jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bret > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: Is the new EDP more than just a software update? > > > >Eric, > > > >Kim would be the expert with this topic, but I have some experience > >with older/newer EDP so here is my $.02. > > > >$500 USD for a full memory EDP with footpedal sounds very good to me. > > > >I own an older (96) and a newer EDP (98). I collected some > >information from Oberheim, and from Kim regarding production changes > >that have occurred on Echoplex. As far as I can tell, you can upgrade > >an Older EDP to be functionally equivalent to the New EDP. Several > >changes are documented on the Loopers Delight Web site, I believe > >under EDP FAQ. Here are some more notes I got from Kim (the comments > >are his): > >------------- > >ECO's > >> > >>1. R21 - 330k 5% 1/4w CF. > >>2. R20 - 330k 5% 1/4w CF. > > This is in the limiter circuit. I wouldn't bother with this, > >it won't make much difference. > >>3. R7 - 75k 5% 1/4w CF. > > changes clipping indication on input LED, good idea to change, > >but not very important > >>4. R62 - 10k 5% 1/4w CF. > > this is correct. allows BrotherSync to work with many more > >units than before. > >>5. R75 - 820 ohm 5% 1/4w CF. > > correct, optimizes a delay time > >>5. C25 - R 100 ohm 5% 1/4w CF. > >>6 C26 - R 100 ohm 5% 1/4w CF. > > This affects the limiter circuit which never worked very well. > > I would leave it alone. If you really want the digital input limiter > >working better, I have a better fix for it. It's harder to do and > >requires tacking a resistor on the bottom. I think it's easier to just > >set the input gain so that you don't clip.... > >>7. R13 - R14 - 47.5k 10% 1/4w MF > > This widens the range of the trimpot adjustment. Don't do this > >one, since you would then have to readjust the trim pot. If you really > >want to do that, I could explain it to you. > >>8. Both Pals upgrade with new equations > > fixes timing problem that sometimes caused weird display and > >other problems on a small number of units. > >>9. Cut Pin 5 of U12 ADC0804CN > > important, fixes heat problem > >--------------- > >In checking my 96 EDP I found all the resistor upgrades were present, > >except R75, which I changed. I had gotten PALS from Oberheim (during > >my warranty period), which I changed. I bought the Ver 5.00 Eproms, > >and installed them. > > > >You can open the EDP and visually inspect the resistor locations for > >the values, and for the cut leg on the ADC. > > > >I would not recommend changing resistors in the EDP yourself, unless > >you feel completely competent changing through hole resistors on a > >PCBA, and know how to protect static sensitive devices. You might > >find a GOOD technician, or ask Oberheim if they would make the needed > >changes (for $ of course). > > > >As is apparent from Kim's comments, some changes are more _important_ > >to performance than others. Some may be irrelevant to you (like > >brother sync). The Firmware upgrade (EPROMS) to Ver 5.00 is a high > >priority, in my opinion. > > > >bret > > > >---eric potter wrote: > >> > >> > >> I'm trolling for an EDP. One option is a used one with full memory > >and > >> foot controller for $500. Figure in $45 for new software, not a bad > >> deal, right? > >> > >> But I'm wondering if there is more to the latest EDP bought new than > >> just the software update (which, don't get me wrong, is a fantastic > >> improvement) Were there changes to the hardware or controls, etc. > >> Am I missing out by not buying the new box? > >> > >> thanks all, > >> -eric > >> > >> ______________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >> > >> > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >DO YOU YAHOO!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 16 12:54:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA08164; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:33:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:33:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: lowfrqcy@west.net (Ryan Blum) Subject: Re: Concert Ad Resent-Message-ID: <"nshFX2.0.fy1.OXiXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >The Gerry Hemingway Quartet: Gerry Hemingway (drums, perc), Ray Anderson >(trombone), Ellery Eskelin (tenor saxophone), Mark Dresser (acoustic bass). yes! I saw these cats last saturday and it was absolutely amazing...Mark Dresser has been one of my heroes for a long time and if you haven't heard him, you're missing out...(looping content coming up!). one of his solo albums, Invocations, is an amazing solo upright bass collection, including many looped (tracked) bass parts...up to 8, in fact. very hip. On another note, I saw John Scofield with Bill Stewart, Larry Goldings, and Tom Logan last night....GREAT MUSIC! all stuff from A Go Go...the suprising thing was that John was doing some serious looping-type-stuff with one of those new digitech pedal/processor things. not sure which one it was, maybe the space station, as he was doing some fake synth stuff and pitch shifting, too. Larry Goldings was doing some ultra-hip sample-type looping as well as real-time looping with some heavy looking rack gear...and Bill Stewart is the best drummer in the world. There it is, Ryan -- "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -Albert Einstein From ???@??? Tue Jun 16 12:54:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA25557; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:55:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:55:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3586CCD1.4A2A58A4@Kleinguitars.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:51:45 -0800 From: Edward Dufault X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: mailing list for Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FSRU82.0.s16.lyhXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, a customer said we should keep in touch. Ed @ kleinguitars.com. Check out our website. From ???@??? Wed Jun 17 00:33:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA19794; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:00:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:00:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:56:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Is the new EDP more than just a software update? Resent-Message-ID: <"VAXOG3.0.Un4.6xiXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >The thing I'm wondering about the new plex, is can it still do the changes >that Andre was writing about a little while ago? >Jeff > the thing I'm wondering is, where the hell did you guys get the idea that there is a new echoplex? There was just a software upgrade made a year ago. Whatever Andre is doing with his, you could potentially do as well. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Jun 17 00:33:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA17986; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:17:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:17:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:10:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199806162110.OAA14678@fracture.lizard.net> From: Ray Peck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: last call on Loopers' #1 CD credits X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under Emacs 19.34.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"upBV3.0.lL4.V3kXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is what I have as the final information on the Loopers' Delight CD #1 credits. Please send me any last-minute updates asap (like, in the #next couple days) so that I can finish this up. Thanks! 1. Michael Peters "On the Move" alternate version from the upcoming CD "Escape Veloopity" mpeters@compuserve.com or http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters Michael Peters Moehlstr. 4, (with an additional h) 51069 Koeln, Germany 2. Dave Stafford "Spider's Web" from the album "Other Memory", SSC1717 ambient@adnc.com Studio Seventeen Productions P.O. Box 461363 Escondido, CA 92046 3. Matthias Grob with Bira Reis (percussion) "Sete" matthias@grob.org Matthias Grob Loteamento "Parque Sao Gonzalo" 160 Federacao 40235-360 Salvador/BA Brasil 4. Matthias Grob "The Fool's Dance" Matthias Grob (?? track ? from Matthias' CD-R) 5. Andree Krikula and Conny Sommer Es geschah Andre Krikula Hellkamp 41 20255 Hamburg 0049/40-491 84 51 6. Renato Rizzo "Salina" Renato Rizzo Fischerstr. 4 CH-4800 Zofingen Switzerland 0041 62 752 2124 7. Matthias Grob "Grama para Todos" 8. Mike Stevens "A Walk In My Dream" from the CD "Normally Anomaly" stevens@ebtech.net Mike Stevens Music 1595 Blackwell Road Sarnia, Ontario Canada N7X 1A4 9. Doug Michael "Helix" dmic27@ccnet.com http://www.ccnet.com/~dmic27 Doug Michael 2889 Seville Circle Antioch, CA 94509 10. Doug Michael "Trance" (edit) 11. Fingerpaint (Patrick Smith and Steev Geest) "Sirens of Titan" Patrick Smith 7007 Aspen Ave Takoma Pk, MD 20912 12. Doug Michael "Feed" 13. David Talento "Just Give Up and Marry the Boss's Daughter" legion@voicenet.com http://www.voicenet.com/~legion Help Wanted Productions P.O. Box 2205 Philadelphia, PA 19103 14. The Outside Loop (Wayne Hamilton and Chris Zimmerman) "Bag in a Tree" Shorthair Studios 43 N. 3rd St. Philadelphia, PA 19106 15. Kuno Wagner "Intermedium" checked: 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 14, 15, 16 ---------- Note: my email address is hacked as an anti-spam measure. Please remove the 'no-spam-' to reply to me. Sorry for the inconvenience. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The warning message we sent the Russians was a calculated ambiguity that would be clearly understood." - Alexander Haig From ???@??? Wed Jun 17 00:33:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA15013; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:10:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:10:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3586DF89.11C7B1D1@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:11:42 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SV: OT intonation References: <01bd98ce$a8dbbd60$ed084382@default> Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Hp2W51.0.ac3.5yjXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thomas Whni wrote: > Hi all , > > Nice story , Fred. I agree with what you are saying , but what interests me with this whole > Buzz-tuning system is this: The guitars supposedly sounds better. What I asked about to begin with was > basically; do they sound better with this system? has anyone ever tried one? > > thats all I wanna know...........:-) > > Yours , Thomas Yo Thomas, Where ya been, mate? I've been posting about my recent experiences with a couple of Buzz-equipped guitars (one of which is a vintage reissue Tele, if that matters to you) off and on for the last week to this list. If you want I can go back and dig them up? :) Very Sincerely, -Lance From ???@??? Tue Jun 16 12:54:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA05007; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:25:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:25:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: rswitzer@192.168.3.6 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:25:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "ROBERT SWITZER" Subject: Re: AW: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE In-Reply-To: <01BD989A.0B2E9670.mpeters@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19980616192051.AAA17383@rswitzer> Resent-Message-ID: <"6CxKk2.0.VA1.9QiXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 07:07 PM 6/15/98 +0200, you wrote: >> >Now Available from FNGP Records is the long awaited first CD release from >> >FingerPaint, Primary Colors: BLUE. > >is there any realaudio (or other) to check it out? > I bought this a week ago, and gave it a close listen over the weekend, and it's great -- especially 'Rain' and 'Blue Sky Darkening'. Highly recommended. Rob Switzer From ???@??? Wed Jun 17 09:30:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA03537; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:10:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:10:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 05:33:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: last call on Loopers' #1 CD credits Resent-Message-ID: <"ZkQjd1.0.yp.YFwXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >This is what I have as the final information on the Loopers' Delight CD >#1 credits. Please send me any last-minute updates asap (like, in the >#next couple days) so that I can finish this up. > >11. Fingerpaint (Patrick Smith and Steev Geest) > "Sirens of Titan" > > Patrick Smith > 7007 Aspen Ave > Takoma Pk, MD 20912 Ray, Glad to see this coming to completion. Please make the following changes. We have picked upa PO Box these days. Don't want my jhome address plastered everywhere. 11. FingerPaint ( Patrick Smith and Steev Geest) " Sirens of Titan" From the FNGP release " Enormous Swirling Sound" FNGP P.O. Box 5364 Takoma Park, MD 20913 www.fingerpaint.net Many,many thanks!!! And congratulations! Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Wed Jun 17 09:30:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA02710; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:46:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:46:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980617124130.006dad20@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:41:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Advice on Volume Pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"DPax7.0.hc.YfxXr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10.01 16/06/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hello to everyone > >I've just had a new Boss volume pedal go BAD on me. I'm jaded and on >the rebound. I'm looking for a new pedal that will work well between >the AUX out of my Mackie 1202-VLZ and my beloved JamMan's input. Mackie >tech support told me such a pedal should be a line-level device, not a >typical instrument level device. Is this true? What are other's doing? >I appreciate any feedback. > > I'm going to trade an old Morley Wha with a new extra sturdy Ernie Ball volume pan pedal. Anyone using one out there? I'm thinking to use it to A/B-ing through my looping and normal setup. ciao leo From ???@??? Wed Jun 17 09:31:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA07362; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:03:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:03:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980617085930.009e5450@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:59:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Klein Guitars, soap operas, no loop content whatsoever In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980617101402.006d32c0@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NGkq4.0.Tl1.0Z-Xr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So what side of the line is this site at http://www.lightlyexpressed.com/mike/kcg on? It references an address in Byron, Ca. Michael Weber - you still here on the list? What's your take in the situation? At 03:14 AM 6/17/98 -0700, you wrote: >So if you care about this at all, do something! Lorenzo and Klein Electric >Guitars need your help. Despite the world's past transgressions, it does >not deserve to lose this gem. Tell people that the real Klein Electric >Guitars is located at 1207 Marina Circle, Discovery Bay, CA, USA. The real >phone number is 925-516-9338. > >And give Lorenzo a call and let him know you care and you support him. He >could use it. Maybe even order a guitar while you're at it. Believe me, you >won't regret it! From ???@??? Wed Jun 17 09:31:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA14582; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:23:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:23:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3587EDC2.CA17007B@intcpi.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:24:35 -0400 From: "John Price" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andre@monmouth.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Advice on Volume Pedal References: <199806161632.MAA10031@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tt-Xg2.0.YV3.Wr-Xr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com andre wrote: > i have a couple boss ones, but it really pissed me off last nite - slidng > around the floor at a gig!!! > > they are cool - but a lillt lite. > > peace Velcro and somethin like a spker cabinet "shag carpet" wrapped around a plywood plaque is a good solution for the floor slippage. I'm all Zoom in my setup ( which is feather lite stuff ) and I had to resort to that technique to hold my gear in 1 secure place. Its a scary thing seeing your setup slip away from u when ya got ya flow goin live. This sounds hilarious in hindsight but at 1 time I had my gear slide away from me during a show in which I was doin some mad - crazy loopin. All of a sudden the gear was crawling away with a life of its own. I was sitting dwn and playing and sliding around the stage with my gear in tow. It was a sight to see but definetely not an experience I'd ever wanna repeat. I felt relieved and embarrasses to know that people thought it was part of the act. Velcro has made me feel a lot more secure these days. JP From ???@??? Wed Jun 17 11:16:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA28833; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:00:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:00:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980617165232.006e3ab8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:52:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Klein Guitars, soap operas, no loop content whatsoever Resent-Message-ID: <"FlV_42.0.q-6.KO_Xr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:59 AM 6/17/98 -0700, Sean Echevarria wrote: >So what side of the line is this site at >http://www.lightlyexpressed.com/mike/kcg on? It references an address in >Byron, Ca. Michael Weber - you still here on the list? What's your take >in the situation? > Byron, CA more or less equals Discovery Bay. That site you've listeed is the real Klein Electric Guitars, I think put up by one of his former employees. Note the rest of the address and the phone # on this website is the same as below. kim > >At 03:14 AM 6/17/98 -0700, you wrote: >>So if you care about this at all, do something! Lorenzo and Klein Electric >>Guitars need your help. Despite the world's past transgressions, it does >>not deserve to lose this gem. Tell people that the real Klein Electric >>Guitars is located at 1207 Marina Circle, Discovery Bay, CA, USA. The real >>phone number is 925-516-9338. >> >>And give Lorenzo a call and let him know you care and you support him. He >>could use it. Maybe even order a guitar while you're at it. Believe me, you >>won't regret it! > _________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research 408-752-9284 http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 00:01:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA25316; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:46:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:46:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <85256626.006BF392.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:53:25 -0400 Subject: Invisible Skratch Piklz vs The X-ecutioners Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Am0Ne2.0.596.lp1Yr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've recently been getting into turntablism, especially after hearing a Mixmaster Mike 12 inch called "Atmosfears". He's part of the I.S.P. crew and so I rented this boot-video, "Invisible Skratch Piklz vs The X-Men" (now the X-ecutioners). These guys are looping without electronics (EDPs, echoplexes, Vorterangs, ....) at all, just their hands and faders. When I first heard this stuff, I was SURE it had to be assembled with computers and hard disk recorders but to my complete amazement and awe, these guys were doing it with just 2 turntables. I know I must sound like a complete neo-phyte to some of the DJ's on this list, but basically they play a sample while rewinding a different disk and switch, and use the faders to trigger the samples. That's a totally hackneyed description, much better to see it done. In any case, it was probably one of the one most amazing displays of virtuosity and control I'd seen using any instrument. It was as amazing as seeing a Paganini violin caprice being performed. Meanwhile the music mostly sounded almost like total experimental loopage. Except that they knew EXACTLY what they were doing - every note was from intention - which was especially in evidence when they would do a drop-dead on-the-pin-head lip-synch with a 3 word sample. My girlfriend said it was the most intense music video she'd ever seen. Just amazing. For people in the NYC area, you can rent this video at Kim's Video on St Mark's Place. From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 00:02:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA07072; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:55:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:55:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002a01bd9a31$a4e6b520$c58232cc@manda> From: "Gerry P" To: Subject: Re: Short question:Roland EV-5 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:51:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"tJJjM2.0.Xh1.qL6Yr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A Radio Shack in-line stereo adaptor < $5 will do the trick along with a stereo audio cable. I use one with a "Y" splitter and two stereo cables to allow me to control the volume of my GP100 as well as sustain for my keyboard controller - ( I only use one at a time ) Gerry -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Whni To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 12:26 AM Subject: Short question:Roland EV-5 > >Hi all , here goes: > >How can I make the cable from my Ev 5 Expression pedal longer? >Its too short to come out from behind my rack and in front of me. >I know nothing of soldering and was hoping for an easy way of >lengthening the cable. Perhaps a stereo-jack connector (she/she) >and another stereo cable coming out of that. Could that work?? From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 00:02:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA22402; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:05:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:05:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <358858BC.C4A9C663@jps.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:01:01 -0700 From: Roland Eberle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Klein Guitars, soap operas, no loop content whatsoever References: <2.2.32.19980617101402.006d32c0@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yLPvm2.0.3Q5.Zc5Yr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What a bunch of horseshit. By this logic we must all consider Ned Steinberger a guy with a "Great Idea" and Gibson Guitars as our saviors for having the time and money to market the instruments after Ned tired of the whole thing. The Guitars say "KLEIN" on them Kim...not "German" the accolades from Frisell, Torn,Summers et al and the instruments they first encountered were conceived, designed and built by Steve...not Lorenzo. Comparing a Klein electric--fantastic guitars that they are ( I own 3) ,whether built by Lorenzo or Steve- to one of the Klein acoustics is a joke. I (and I'm sure you) have been in the Klein factory (in Sonoma where it all started) and you know as well as I that building a Klein electric is largely a matter of finding the best wood and running it through several stages of numerically controlled routers and cutting machines...fine sanding the bodies and (most importantly as far as true artisan level work is concerned) building one INCREDIBLE neck and fingerboard (Lorenzos necks are truly the best) and bolting it on...the wiring and components are put in by another employee...and ALL the paint and finish work (at least when I was there) is jobbed out...sometimes with mixed results which end up delaying delivery...because Lorenzo will not let a bad pice get to delivery stage. In the middle of the factory there was something truly special going on...this is where Steve builds his acoustics...every piece fashioned by hand...all the inlay...the bending of the woods..shaving the braces...tapping the top woods to get it perfect in a painstaking process taking MONTHS to complete just one instrument ... Jealous? As much as I like Lorenzo and as much as I admire his talent, I'd have to say he'd give his left nut to have the gift of craft and innovation that Steve Klein has. So...by laying all these accolades on Lorenzo (all of which I agree with...he is a SUPER nice guy) HONESTY INTEGRITY blah blah blah...and following that with a paragraph of how Steve was just an Idea man...seems to indicate to me that you hold Klein responsible for the post from Ed...(I've met Ed in the store on Broadway downtown Sonoma...he's a sales clerk for Christ sake..not a builder) when in fact it could be simply a matter of a customer...ME for instance...stopping by the Klein shop and casually mentioning to Ed... "hey..Klein guitars get as lot of notice on the Loopers delight list...perhaps you should stay in touch..your web page could use some sprucing up too" When I last visited Lorenzo (last fall), he asked me what I did for a living...thinking maybe we could barter some time for his work as I was having a hard time justifying spending almost 3 grand on a guitar...alas...I am a lowly police/fire dispatcher which obviously didnt fill his needs...but, I had a freind with me who was also intereested in a Klein...and he is a first rate web author and offered to create a better website for Klein ELECTRIC guitars...L.G. passed and I dare say if he hadnt his back order list would be even longer today. Personally I think you over- reacted to what is indeed an innocuos little thing. If there is evidence you havent brought forward regarding Steve being underhanded in his dealings and "using" the loopers forum to somehow further his cause and/or hurt Lorenzo's, I'd certainly like to hear it...until then I think you have done Mr. Klein a disservice. Steve's a GREAT guy...Lorenzo is a GREAT guy...they both build fine guitars... I hope someday to own a Klein acoustic and sooner hope to own another Klein Electric ( a baritone with Novax neck) Thanks all for your further indulgence, Roland Eberle Kim Flint (by way of Kim Flint ) wrote: > ok, I'll gonna break my solemn oath to not discuss guitars on the list. > Just this once, promise, but it seems kinda important, at least to me. All > you Klein Electric Guitar fans, guitar fans, and general fans of musical > instrument industry soap operas, you might be interested. > > So this just bugs the livin' shit out of me: > > >Kim, a customer said we should keep in touch. Ed @ kleinguitars.com. > >Check out our website. > > Now it seems like a pretty innocuous little thing, right? > > Well, not exactly. It's a piece of dishonesty and deception that reaches > heights rarely attained even in the music industry. It just rankles me, > that's what it does. > > This "kleinguitars.com" and the website that goes with it, is NOT the same > company that makes the extraordinary Klein Electric Guitars played by > people like David Torn, Henry Kaiser, Bill Frisell, Mick Goodrick, Andy > Summers, etc, and list members here like Marshall, Jon and Kingsley Durant, > and myself. (and dt, too, of course.) > > Did you get that? It's NOT the same company. > > But if you look at this website, it sure does look like the same company! > They've got a whole page on Klein Electrics, they've got logos and photos > of endorsers, they've got specs, they've got ordering info, and they've got > an address in Sonoma, CA, formerly the home of Klein Electric Guitars. Yet > this website, and the company that put it up, is NOT KLEIN ELECTRIC > GUITARS!! So what's the deal? > > The real Klein Electric Guitars is owned by Lorenzo German, one of the > finest humans on this here planet. He produces one of the finest > instruments you are ever likely to touch in your entire life. His operation > is an excercise in perfection; everything that comes out of his shop, > produced by his hands, is a masterpiece. Buying one of his guitars was one > of the most pleasurable experiences I've had in my life, of any sort. My > guitar is a beautiful work of art, sounds and plays like a dream. I can't > say enough. Lorenzo is a great fellow. Honest, full of integrity, fun to > hang out with, with a pride in his work that's hard to beat. > > The Klein Electric was originally designed by Steve Klein. A great idea, > make no mistake. But Steve never got very far with it. Poor business sense, > weird customer service attitudes, inconsistent quality, a half-baked idea, > whatever, by 1995 he had run his business into the ground and decided to > throw the electric business away and just focus on his acoustic guitars. > Lorenzo was one of his employees at the time, and offered to buy Klein > Electric Guitars from Steve. So they worked out a deal, signed contracts, > the whole bit. Lorenzo got Klein Electric Guitars, Steve kept Klein > Acoustic Guitars. > > Lorenzo took Klein Electric guitars and ran with it. He applied his > perfectionism, his own innovations, and his expert craftsmanship to turn a > good idea into a phenomenal guitar. He applied his good sense and people > skills to produce a good business. He's worked his ass off for it. The > result? Some success! Klein Electric Guitars has been growing and selling > more and more instruments. All that Lorenzo and his employees can manage to > make. Steve on the other hand, remains mired in his own muck. > > Can you say jealousy? Hardly anyone cares about Steve's acoustics. > Everyone's raving about Lorenzo's electrics. > > Steve began to freak out, and has been giving Lorenzo a really hard time. > He had been renting his barn to Lorenzo to run Klein Electric, and recently > kicked Lorenzo out for no reason. Lorenzo was tired of being there anyway, > and wanted to leave, but moving a guitar manufacturing operation on a > shoestring budget and little notice is tough. Lorenzo lost all his > employees because he had to move too far away. Then Steve began > intercepting all of the mail arriving for Klein Electric Guitars at his > barn. Customer requests somehow never get forwarded on to Lorenzo's new > address, and he's losing business. And now, Steve has put up this website > claiming that he is Klein Electric Guitars, and that is complete bullshit! > Legally, ethically, morally, he *does not* have that right. Lorenzo does, > and he has the blisters and sweat and loyal customers to prove it. > > So if you care about this at all, do something! Lorenzo and Klein Electric > Guitars need your help. Despite the world's past transgressions, it does > not deserve to lose this gem. Tell people that the real Klein Electric > Guitars is located at 1207 Marina Circle, Discovery Bay, CA, USA. The real > phone number is 925-516-9338. > > And give Lorenzo a call and let him know you care and you support him. He > could use it. Maybe even order a guitar while you're at it. Believe me, you > won't regret it! > > thanks for the indulgence, > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 00:02:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA26814; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:18:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:18:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Thomas Whni" To: , Subject: SV: SV: OT intonation Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:03:14 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd9a4c$7d55aa00$LocalHost@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"SQu3W3.0.SV6.Po5Yr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yo Lance , I`m afraid I haven`t seen your Buzz-posts. I apologize , and Will go back and check em out myself. (or if it wouldn`t be too much bother , you could send them to me off-list?) I recently tried a Washburn with the buzz system . Sadly ,the store hadn`t bothered to intonate the guitar and it was very out of tune to begin with. I know I shouldn`t expect much from music stores but this was very disapointing. As was the price tag; well into the Tom Anderson/Paul Reed Smith range....... Makes me wonder if inclusion of the system will make all the guitars expensive. Yours , Thomas From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 00:02:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA30532; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:28:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:28:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Thomas Whni" To: Subject: Short question:Roland EV-5 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:23:02 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd9a4f$417f5640$950a4382@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"z7Fxq3.0.HP7.Ay5Yr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all , here goes: How can I make the cable from my Ev 5 Expression pedal longer? Its too short to come out from behind my rack and in front of me. I know nothing of soldering and was hoping for an easy way of lengthening the cable. Perhaps a stereo-jack connector (she/she) and another stereo cable coming out of that. Could that work?? From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 00:02:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA31362; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:03:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:03:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980617165232.006e3ab8@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:02:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: I'm not getting all of the messages to the list Resent-Message-ID: <"2vv3J3.0.kc7.nK7Yr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers, I'm not getting all of the messages that are being sent to the list. Is this happening to anybody else? For example in Roland Eberle's message to the list "Re: Klein Guitars, soap operas, no loop content whatsoever", I got the reply to Kim's message from Roland where Kim's message was quoted but I never got the original message from Kim. Also the thread "Advice on Volume Pedal" I got the replies but never received the original message. This has happened several times in the last couple of weeks, where I get replies to messages that I've never received the original. I've checked with my ISP and they say there haven't been any problems with email. Has anyone else noticed anything weird here? Any suggestions? Thanks Ed From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 00:03:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA03367; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:15:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:15:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980618021248.00de3c70@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:12:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Klein Guitars, soap operas, no loop content whatsoever Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"MTwT73.0.Om.IW7Yr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:01 PM 6/17/98 -0700, Roland Eberle wrote: [some well deserved flaming of me deleted] Ok, writing something in haste and anger at 2:30 in the morning is a bad idea. I said some stupid things that Roland is completely correct in flaming me for. I hadn't meant to say anything negative at all about Steve Klein's abilities as a designer or luthier. Steve deserves tons of respect for that and is certainly one of the most brilliant and innovative musical instrument designers on the Earth. His ideas have resulted in some tremendous guitars, one of which I am very proud to own. So I want to apologize to Steve and anyone else who cares for any negative thing I said about his skills. Specifically these ugly comments: >> But Steve never got very far with it. Poor business sense, >> weird customer service attitudes, inconsistent quality, a half-baked idea, >> make. Steve on the other hand, remains mired in his own muck. Viewed today, this is very, very dumb, and not at all what I meant to say. I would like to take all of that back, if I may. I have no business saying those things and would like you to consider my opinions on such matters as totally worthless and without merit. Steve definitely does not deserve anything like that from some bystander like me. >Comparing a Klein electric--fantastic guitars that they are ( I own 3) ,whether >built by Lorenzo or Steve- to one of the Klein acoustics is a joke. I wasn't intending to compare the instruments made by either of these gentleman, that wasn't my intent at all. I'm really sorry it came out that way. And I'm extremely sorry that I came across as at all negative about Steve's abilities or creations. That's the result of my own tendancy to behave a bit rashly and write things when I'm dead tired. You are quite right, I totally overreacted. I was really only intending to comment on the website advertised here, not the instruments. The instruments made by both these people are superb, and easily the best in their respective classes. Saying anything about them only distracted from what I wanted to say anyway. Again, sorry, to you and Steve. Your anger towards me is completely understandable and appropriate. >...seems to indicate to me that >you hold Klein responsible for the post from Ed...(I've met Ed in the store on >Broadway downtown Sonoma...he's a >sales clerk for Christ sake..not a builder) when in fact it could be simply a >matter of a customer...ME for instance...stopping by the Klein shop and >casually mentioning to Ed... >Personally I think you over- reacted to what is indeed an innocuos little >thing. If there is >evidence you havent brought forward regarding Steve being underhanded in his >dealings >and "using" the loopers forum to somehow further his cause and/or hurt >Lorenzo's, I'd >certainly like to hear it...until then I think you have done Mr. Klein a >disservice. The thing I was intending to talk about was not the post, or Ed (who I don't know), but the website being advertised. I don't have any particular evidence about any underhanded practice, nor would I want any. Just stupid conjecture on my part. It's just the website which I find upsetting. In that website (http://www.kleinguitars.com/Electric/electric.html), Steve Klein, owner of Klein Acoustic Guitars and the Klein's Sonoma Music shop, appears to me to be claiming to also be Klein Electric Guitars, which he is not. That's what got me worked up. He sold his electric guitar business to someone else several years ago, and now he has put up a website where he is advertising those guitars and the name "Klein Electric Guitars" with his address and phone number at the bottom. There is no mention of Lorenzo or how to contact the actual Klein Electric Guitars, and there is no indication that Klein Electric Guitars is another company. I'm sorry, but I think that is dishonest, and I think he should change that website. I think this is likely to confuse would-be buyers of Klein Electrics, and hurt Lorenzo's ability to run Klein Electric Guitars. Since I am a huge fan of Lorenzo and Klein Electric Guitars, I don't want to see that happen. Whether this web page is something intentional or just an oversight on Steve's part, I don't really know, but in either case, I think it is wrong. I want to see both of these guys prosper, because I have a ton of respect for what both of them are doing and I want them both to succeed. The world needs more people like these guys. I would really like to beleive that this is just some sort of oversight on Steve's part, and that he intended no harm by it. Otherwise I think I would lose a lot of respect for him. (which I have a lot of, despite previous impressions, and despite that fact that my respect is not worth a hill of discarded headstocks.) I clearly overreacted in jumping to Lorenzo's defense about this. He built me an instrument which I treasure highly and which I expect to use for the rest of my life. A lot of emotional energy comes with that, I guess. Again, sorry for all the confusion and bad vibes. None of that belonged here. kim From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 00:03:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA05526; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:21:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:21:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980618021906.00e58968@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:19:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: I'm not getting all of the messages to the list Resent-Message-ID: <"wBrUk2.0._J1.9c7Yr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:02 PM 6/17/98 -0400, Ed Drake wrote: >Loopers, > I'm not getting all of the messages that are being sent to the list. Is >this happening to anybody else? >For example in Roland Eberle's message to the list "Re: Klein Guitars, soap >operas, no loop content whatsoever", I got the reply to Kim's message from >Roland where Kim's message was quoted but I never got the original message >from Kim. Also the thread "Advice on Volume Pedal" I got the replies but >never received the original message. > >This has happened several times in the last couple of weeks, where I get >replies to messages that I've never received the original. I've checked >with my ISP and they say there haven't been any problems with email. Has >anyone else noticed anything weird here? >Any suggestions? >Thanks >Ed I think there is something weird going on with the new list server, I've noticed this too. I'm trying to figure it out and get it fixed. If you see anything strange, please let me know. You can send it to me privately at my home address, kflint@annihilist.com, so that we don't waste list bandwidth with it. thanks, kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 00:03:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA23264; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:19:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:19:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1c0f25cc.3588b0a6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:16:05 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'm not getting all of the messages to the list Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"0-ZUW3.0.8e5.M5BYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i have noticed this also, im glad it is not just me, thanks ed!!!!!.......michael From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 00:03:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA25039; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:24:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:24:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01bd9a81$4cc85ce0$2522dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: News From Electro Harmonix Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:21:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"EMmoz3.0.L36.7ABYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com smaug@servidor.unam.mx intoned: > I just read in the EH-man pages that the 16 second delay made by Electro >Harmonix is going to be reissued... ..or at least VIA EH, anyway... We should have a page off of the LD site just for the 16-second delay... A true Holy Grail of loopers everywhere, this fabled stomp box was also credited with use by Fripp, Belew, Eno, and others. :) Times for delay have been pushed back enough times for us to all sigh and wait, and thank God our present equipment mostly works when we want it to. Original quotes have hovered from $400-700 from seminal sources. So it goes. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week, Jeanette Nolan)! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 00:03:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA10632; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:43:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:43:10 -0400 From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:40:55 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199806180640.AAA16234@servidor.unam.mx> X-Authentication-Warning: servidor.unam.mx: [132.248.237.20] didn't use HELO protocol X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: News From Electro Harmonix Resent-Message-ID: <"ltW_C2.0.4Y2.4ZAYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just read in the EH-man pages that the 16 second delay made by Electro Harmonix is going to be reissued,according to EH president,Mike Matthews,its going to be 16 times more powerful: memory capabilities have grown since this gizmo was around. It will have MIDI too,so you can add a drum machine or whatever you like to synch,boy,its making my looplooplooplooplooper wet... How much do you guys think it will cost? smaug in Mexico City. From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 00:03:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA01051; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:50:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:50:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <02b501bd9a85$74613f20$95f1ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: I'm not getting all of the messages to the list Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:50:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"IYr9d3.0.hC.HYBYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I had a different experience....I think when servers were switched, I got dumped from the list. I did not receive messages for 5 days, and then I re-subscribed, just in case I was dumped. After that, everything was fine- I got to come in the middle of threads that I had missed over those 5 days. I wonder if anyone else was accidently dumped? Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 2:18 AM Subject: Re: I'm not getting all of the messages to the list >i have noticed this also, im glad it is not just me, thanks >ed!!!!!.......michael > > From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 09:47:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA21367; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:18:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:18:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <02d901bd9ac4$48e55ae0$c2b854ce@asint.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Embarassing Equipment Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:20:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"W_kos1.0.b05.55IYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We frequently talk about (or more accurately, lust about) cool looping or signal processing equipment, instruments and amplifiers. At other times, we criticize poorly designed equipment that either doesn't do what it was advertised to do, or breaks down too often. However, we've never discussed equipment that does its job just fine, but embarasses us because of it brand name. Perhaps we use it frequently, but place a piece of duct tape over the manufacturer's name because it's not cool with other musicians. Any thoughts (especially considering looping devices that are currently available or out of production)? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 09:48:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA00629; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:51:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:51:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:48:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806181448.JAA05267@mw3.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: Embarassing Equipment Resent-Message-ID: <"hJ_fJ1.0.j5.yaIYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com can you say Peavey? > >However, we've never discussed equipment that does its job just fine, but >embarasses us because of it brand name. Perhaps we use it frequently, but >place a piece of duct tape over the manufacturer's name because it's not >cool with other musicians. > >Any thoughts (especially considering looping devices that are currently >available or out of production)? > >Thanks, >Mark Kata >Mark@asisoftware.com > > > > From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 21:39:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA14369; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:38:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:38:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: phiba-improv@wnur.nwu.edu, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <85256627.006FFA79.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:44:58 -0400 Subject: One-of-a-Kind Musik Artifakts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"TJsHy3.0.cS3.9gNYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Last night I got this crazy idea. You know how Eric Dolphy said, "music - once it's out there, it's gone forever" or something like that ("Last Date"). Well of course you can record it and put it out anybody who looks for it can hear it. Well I got this crazy (sure to be regrettable) idea which goes like this: If you send me a small donation to cover the cost of a tape and postage (in fact $5) I will record a free improvisation on that tape (at least 30 minutes I'm hoping) and send that tape to you, and ONLY you. There will be NO OTHER EXISTING copies of said musical performance. You will own a bonafide musical artifact which no one but you can hear. I won't even have a copy myself. Now I wish my name were EVAN PARKER (for you phiba mates) or ROBERT FRIPP (for you looper dudes) since that would be really cool. However I'm just ed chang. Nonetheless, if anybody participates in this scheme I think it could be fun at least as an exercise in conceptual art. (oh yeah, one other person who did something a little like this was Derek Bailey when he was putting out the Incus Tapes. These tapes were a release on his label of his solo guitar improvisations. The neat thing was that he only dubbed a copy off when an order came in. And the tapes he did send off were reel to reels! Of couse this didn't last long...) Anyways, here's me addy: Ed Chang/Quodlibet Recordings POB 317 NY NY 10009 (BTW I play guitar, sax, clarinet, electronics, prepared sound sources, tape-wreckage, turntables, voice, and I've been known to kick dirt into microphones as well. I'm not taking requests, tho. sorry...) From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 21:39:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA21991; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:03:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:03:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: phiba-improv@wnur.nwu.edu, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <85256627.0073FA76.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:10:44 -0400 Subject: Blindfold Tapes (Onofakind) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"hO3Qr3.0._J5.E2OYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've gotten some private emails about tape swapping instead of $. I should have thought of that! Yeah, that's totally cool - send me your addresses and I'll start recording early next week. Robert S also had a great idea of remixing whatever tape I sent to him and sending That back to me . That works, too, in fact, even better on a conceptual level for me. From ???@??? Thu Jun 18 21:39:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA30472; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:15:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:15:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Thomas Whni" To: Subject: Embarassing Equipment Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:10:20 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd9b0e$438cf2c0$50094382@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"oiIQu.0.VO7.2-PYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Great idea , Mark! The second I read your mail I envisioned Peavey and expected lots of guys pickin` on them. Personally , I can`t really think of a piece of equpment I own that I`m embarrassed about. If fact , most of the stuff I have (would prolly make most guys cringe , but thats another story) makes me proud. I have a couple of old alesis eff. machines: the midiverb and the midifex! Everytime my eyes pass them they make me proud to be one of the few who`s comprehended their brilliance(how`s that for a sentence). They rule , and all the Eventide owners out there makes me wanna giggle. I know that I would be embarassed if I owned a Klein or a similar piece of wood with such a price-tag. :-) yours , Thomas From ???@??? Fri Jun 19 01:41:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA27420; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:19:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:19:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980619071534.16714.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.175.239.62] From: "chris lamb" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Analog filters anyone? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:15:34 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"Y-xaU1.0.ge6.23XYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Semi-non-looping content ahead! > > I've been looking into analog filters to modulate various > recirculating thangs in my setup. > > I started with more guitar-based products such as the EH Q-Tron and > Lovetone Meatball, but am now starting to wander into higher end > keyboard accesories... > > Waldorf 4-pole and it's bretheren > Mutronics Mutator > Sherman Filterbank > > I've only been able to locate information on the Waldorf products... > Any clues as to who's selling and possibly stocking these other > products? > > Lastly, does anyone have experience with any of these products and how > they function, sound, their capabilities and their user friendliness? > > Best, > -Miko > dont know about mutronics or sherman but waldorf filters rock. My mate's got a pulse+ - a synth where the sounds are shaped by the filters and nothing else. You can put an external audio input thru them, like a guitar/drum/anything loop. The filters are very clean and sharp, great for sweeping sub-basses and peircing leads that cut thru a mix. The thing about high-end gear like this is that you get a cleaner sound. On the other hand these clean filters often benefit from being to be passed thru a distortion box to dirty them up a bit - depends what you're into. anyway if you want to buy something like this, I'd recommend waldorf but i've not checked out the other two so... so what's the lovetone meatball like then ? I've heard of them but never seen one, how much are they ? Are they any good ? chris > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Jun 19 09:49:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA01044; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:58:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <85256628.0057BE0C.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:05:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Re[4]: Blindfold Tapes (Onofakind) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"NxlHj3.0._B.4geYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Remixing is much more time-consuming for me since it's it's not done real-time like an improvisation. It takes me 30 minutes to record a 30 minute improv. It usually takes a couple days of listening, sketching, assembling and editing to do a remix (for me, that is). I know some people who have the gear and skills to remix in real time (I.S.P. for example), but unfortunately I don't have either. But I hope my methods have their own charms as well.... ed chang ps - I use PDS8000 and DFX94 extensively for remixing purposes (L.C)>. Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) on 06/19/98 11:27:12 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Edward Chang/AMS/AMSINC cc: Subject: Re[4]: Blindfold Tapes (Onofakind) Hi Ed... My view on remixing is that for a person who DJ's or does some other form of recycling found sound and other sources, this is their one-off piece of art as well. Should be a snap, just like it's a snap for you to do a free-improv. If it's a hassle for you, don't do it. -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: Blindfold Tapes (Onofakind) Author: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com at INTERNET Date: 6/19/98 10:10 AM Hi Mike I'm not sure here what you mean exactly. Are you asking about a remix collaboration? That would be cool, but I'm involved with a pretty hefty remix project right now, which has been taking me awhile to wrap up. But in a couple months I should be more open to remixing other peoples stuff. The Blindfold tapes will be much easier, since I plan to set up my gear and just improvise as many 30 minute pieces as I can in a couple days. If you want one of those, I can send you one for a)$5 or b)a tape of your stuff, or c)if you promise to remix the tape I send you and send that back to me. Thanks for your interest. ed Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) on 06/18/98 05:52:29 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "COLLINSCLAN" cc: (bcc: Edward Chang/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re[2]: Blindfold Tapes (Onofakind) OK, I'll bite too... I've got a Walkman Pro and know how to use it! I'd love to send off a unique and disposable treasure... 8-> The mentions of remixing have me wondering about the potential for collaboration towards future submission material. (Pity I don't have a DAT!!!) Email me with your request and ideas... all the best, -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Blindfold Tapes (Onofakind) Author: "COLLINSCLAN" at INTERNET Date: 6/18/98 5:35 PM Hey everybody...I'm up for that too but i only use prepared guitar, and a little tape stuff. Anyone up for a little remixing? Jeff Collins collinsclan@sprintmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com To: phiba-improv@wnur.nwu.edu ; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 5:01 PM Subject: Blindfold Tapes (Onofakind) >I've gotten some private emails about tape swapping instead of $. I should >have thought of that! Yeah, that's totally cool - send me your addresses >and I'll start recording early next week. > >Robert S also had a great idea of remixing whatever tape I sent to him and >sending That back to me . That works, too, in fact, even better on a >conceptual level for me. > > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 19 12:15:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA01204; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:00:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:00:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980619185158.006ec450@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:51:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: If you want to pick on Peavey, you'll have to get through me first... Resent-Message-ID: <"jBt6i1.0.wE.FKhYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:17 AM 6/19/98 +0100, you wrote: >Crossedout@aol.com wrote: > >> Although I hate to jump to Peavey's defense, I have to admit, that as an >> inveterate gear-head and survivor of many a jerry-rigged, ghetto-style >> equipment setup, I have always been able to count on Peavey equipment for >> durability, if not amazing sound quality. > >Why does everybody trash on Peavey so damn much? I have always thought of them as >sort of like Fender, except with quality control... (ouch!) > >Really though, what gives? > The Peavey of 1998 is quite a bit different than the Peavey of say 1982, when I bought one of their amps to go along with my first electric guitar. Most of the negative impression comes from those days, when they were the bottom-of-the-barrel guitar amp king. Anybody around in those days could not help but have some kind of humorously negative thing to say about them. These days, they seem to be making much better stuff. They also seem to be making an impossibly wide variety of stuff. I still have that amp (the decade model), and still use it on my workbench for monitoring electronic audio experiments. For guitar though, it sounds breathtakingly awful. the only way to make it tolerable is to turn all the eq knobs down to 0, which makes it kind of flat. any other setting gives you variations on bad. Amps like that are the reason why "Peavey" is the name that still gets all the jokes. kim _________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research 408-752-9284 http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 20 01:36:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA21289; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:54:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:54:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980619185158.006ec450@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:49:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: If you want to pick on Peavey, you'll have to get through me first... Resent-Message-ID: <"ReQbb3.0.E55.D7iYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Anybody around in those days could not >help but have some kind of humorously negative thing to say about them. i have vivd memories of my wife (at the time just my fiance and guitar tech), having to hold a few connections in my peavey classic 120 together mid-song at the roxy in l.a., an amp which usually only chose to fall to pieces in the middle of shows. btw, we got married the next day. m M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music i n t e r n e t : murkie@middlebury.edu http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html From ???@??? Sat Jun 20 01:37:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA31791; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:22:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:22:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F60452691@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Thomas Whni' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Embarassing Equipment Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:18:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"L7W_f.0.2j7.PXiYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ...and in the guitar zone, add Carvin's "non-pointy" guitars... David K > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Whni [SMTP:hovard@online.no] > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 7:10 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Embarassing Equipment > > Great idea , Mark! The second I read your mail I envisioned Peavey and > expected > lots of guys pickin` on them. Personally , I can`t really think of a piece > of equpment > I own that I`m embarrassed about. If fact , most of the stuff I have > (would prolly make most guys cringe , > but thats another story) makes me proud. I have a couple of old alesis > eff. machines: the midiverb and the > midifex! Everytime my eyes pass them they make me proud to be one of the > few who`s comprehended > their brilliance(how`s that for a sentence). They rule , and all the > Eventide owners out there makes me wanna giggle. > > I know that I would be embarassed if I owned a Klein or a similar piece of > wood with such a price-tag. :-) > > > yours , Thomas From ???@??? Sat Jun 20 12:10:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA19527; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 07:41:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 07:41:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BD9C50.AA991DC0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Jon Hassell Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:51:20 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Bfx2x2.0.Ll4.I_vYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jon Hassell might be known to some of you who are into Eno, Sylvian, Gabriel, and Talking Heads. He used looping techniques and samples on some of his earlier LPs. There is a new Jon Hassell mailing list - please join and contribute if you love his music. http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/powerspot michael peters mpeters@csi.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ From ???@??? Sat Jun 20 12:10:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA26670; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:15:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:15:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199806201413.QAA23825@mb05.swip.net> From: "Mattias Ribbing" To: Subject: PANIC! Echoplex freaks out Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:00:00 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lLCzj.0.AU6._EyYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear loopers, I have had my Echoplex for a couple of weeks now and I haven't had a single problem with it. BUT today it has acted really strange. Suddenly it just kills the loop and the display goes black, however all the lights under the buttons are lit, but I can't press any buttons. And a couple of times everything has gone black.So I have to turn the power off and start again. Sometimes it also has a problem starting up. The LOOP3 flashes over the display maybe six times before it works. I know that there has been a discussion about this a while ago. But I didn't have a Plex then so I didn't follow it, and I can't find the thread in the archive. Could this be a software problem? (I have the new 5.0) Please help me, if this happens during a gig it would be a disaster! Thanks, Mattias Ribbing From ???@??? Sat Jun 20 12:10:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA27179; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:21:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:21:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199806201420.QAA27053@mb05.swip.net> From: "Mattias Ribbing" To: Subject: AHHHRRRGGHH! Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:10:27 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q2tRj.0.hc6.FLyYr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Even more problems accure. Now it starts to fade out my loops despite that I have feedback set on full!!! Would be really gratefull for help, Mattias From ???@??? Sat Jun 20 18:16:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA25931; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:03:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:03:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: bryan.helm@dinosaur.com Message-ID: <9806201030.0ERU900@dinosaur.com> Organization: The Dinosaur Board X-Mailer: TBBS/TIGER v1.0 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 10:30:58 -0700 Subject: properly... To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"XAC8n.0.XJ6.--3Zr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As a music store salesperson in 1983 I seem to recall that the only way to properly hear a Peavey amp is to route the signal of a beautiful,resonant,harmonicly superior Peavey guitar thru it...........aside from that you could enhance your tone with a Multivox Wah into say a Morley Pedal Echo Unit( you know with the rotating drum in it), gives you that definitive Radio Free Europe enduring an epileptic fit, tonality.Could be the next big thing:-> Bryan(cost plus 5%)Helm From ???@??? Sat Jun 20 12:10:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA12476; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:03:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:03:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: PANIC! Echoplex freaks out Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:04:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bd9c7e$41952e30$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199806201413.QAA23825@mb05.swip.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"K3TZM1.0.C03.dS0Zr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mattias- I had a very similar problem to yours when I upgraded the supplied memory to 16 Mb in my 'Plex. Same symptoms as you describe. What is did was put back the original memory that was shipped with the 'Plex and it seemed to have solved the problem. I am now looking to exchange the Toshiba memory chip's that I bought for another brand to see if I have the same problem. Maybe you have a bad memory chip or it just needs to be reseated. Doug. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Mattias Ribbing [mailto:mattias.ribbing@mailbox.swipnet.se] >>Sent: Saturday, June 20, 1998 10:00 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: PANIC! Echoplex freaks out >> >> >>Dear loopers, >> >>I have had my Echoplex for a couple of weeks now and I haven't >>had a single >>problem with it. BUT today it has acted really strange. Suddenly it just >>kills the loop and the display goes black, however all the lights >>under the >>buttons are lit, but I can't press any buttons. And a couple of times >>everything has gone black.So I have to turn the power off and start again. >>Sometimes it also has a problem starting up. The LOOP3 flashes over the >>display maybe six times before it works. >> >>I know that there has been a discussion about this a while ago. But I >>didn't have a Plex then so I didn't follow it, and I can't find the thread >>in the archive. >> >>Could this be a software problem? (I have the new 5.0) >> >>Please help me, if this happens during a gig it would be a disaster! >> >>Thanks, >>Mattias Ribbing >> From ???@??? Sat Jun 20 12:23:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA13961; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:24:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:24:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199806201413.QAA23825@mb05.swip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:21:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: PANIC! Echoplex freaks out Resent-Message-ID: <"9ALbp.0.1O3.-m0Zr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 7:00 AM -0700 6/20/98, Mattias Ribbing wrote: >I have had my Echoplex for a couple of weeks now and I haven't had a single >problem with it. BUT today it has acted really strange. Suddenly it just >kills the loop and the display goes black, however all the lights under the >buttons are lit, but I can't press any buttons. And a couple of times >everything has gone black.So I have to turn the power off and start again. >Sometimes it also has a problem starting up. The LOOP3 flashes over the >display maybe six times before it works. > >Could this be a software problem? (I have the new 5.0) no it's not software, somethings gone wrong with your hardware. It could be you put a bad memory chip in, but hard to say. You should contact Oberheim to get it serviced. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 20 15:57:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA17111; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:18:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:18:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199806202017.WAA13421@mb05.swip.net> From: "Mattias Ribbing" To: Subject: SV: PANIC! Echoplex freaks out Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:08:25 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5G5sZ1.0.d94.0a1Zr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just upgraded to 16Mb, so I guess that's where the problem is. But the memory I put in should work according to the manual (and it cost me quite a bit too :) But I guess I have to change back to the original for a while then. Are there any 30-pin memory (faster than 120ns) that doesn't work? What kind should I get? Thanks, Mattias Ribbing ---------- > Frn: Kim Flint > no it's not software, somethings gone wrong with your hardware. It could be > you put a bad memory chip in, but hard to say. You should contact Oberheim > to get it serviced. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > From ???@??? Sat Jun 20 15:57:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA18626; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:42:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:42:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: PANIC! Echoplex freaks out Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:44:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bd9c8c$3259eab0$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199806202017.WAA13421@mb05.swip.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"-Xq_x2.0.uW4.Aw1Zr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mattias- I think the fact that our problem is the same is not just coincidental. It seems Oberheim (and others) say that *any* 30-pin memory is good to use in the 'Plex (parity or non-parity). Somehow I doubt that, but that's just from my experience in the computer industry where memory is very hardware specific. Just for reference, my "bad" memory was Samsung part # KMM594100AN-7 9421W5 (parity). Can anybody recommend a specific brand/model of memory that they have not a any problems with? Thanks, Doug. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Mattias Ribbing [mailto:mattias.ribbing@mailbox.swipnet.se] >>Sent: Saturday, June 20, 1998 4:08 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: SV: PANIC! Echoplex freaks out >> >> >>I just upgraded to 16Mb, so I guess that's where the problem is. But the >>memory I put in should work according to the manual (and it cost >>me quite a >>bit too :) But I guess I have to change back to the original for a while >>then. >> >>Are there any 30-pin memory (faster than 120ns) that doesn't work? What >>kind should I get? >> >>Thanks, >>Mattias Ribbing >> >>---------- >>> Frn: Kim Flint >>> no it's not software, somethings gone wrong with your hardware. It could >>be >>> you put a bad memory chip in, but hard to say. You should contact >>Oberheim >>> to get it serviced. >>> >>> kim >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>> kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >>> http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> >>> >> From ???@??? Sat Jun 20 15:57:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA19929; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:00:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:00:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:58:10 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, douglas-lawrence@home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: PANIC! Echoplex freaks out Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"NvWwP2.0.5q4.7B2Zr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/20/98 3:42:04 PM, you wrote: >Can anybody recommend a specific brand/model of memory that they have not a >any problems with? FWIW, I bought my memory upgrade from The Chip Merchant (800)808-CHIP in San Diego, and have not had any problems. I am not sure which brand the use, but Chip Merchant has a good rep and I have never had any problems from them. Just tell them you are "upgrading an old Mac II" (some vendors have tried to charge extra if the SIMMS are for "music" applications!!). As far as I know, they don't even make 30-pin SIMMS slower than 80-90 ns anymore. Marshall From ???@??? Sat Jun 20 19:45:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA31977; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:21:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:21:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000101bd9c8c$3259eab0$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> References: <199806202017.WAA13421@mb05.swip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:18:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: PANIC! Echoplex freaks out Resent-Message-ID: <"wPa_R2.0.bn7.L_5Zr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 1:44 PM -0700 6/20/98, Douglas Lawrence wrote: >Mattias- > >I think the fact that our problem is the same is not just coincidental. It >seems Oberheim (and others) say that *any* 30-pin memory is good to use in >the 'Plex (parity or non-parity). Somehow I doubt that, but that's just from >my experience in the computer industry where memory is very hardware >specific. I don't think its very fair to imply some sort deceptive tactics on the part of Oberheim or any other manufacturer making such a claim. Until this email thread and another mail I got this week, I've never heard of anyone having such a problem with a particular type of simm on the echoplex, and it's been out for 3 1/2 years. (5 years if you count the Paradis LoopDelay, which had a similar memory controller design.) I'm pretty sure I would have heard about it if there had been a problem! In the past, all the different simm types have worked just fine, so there is no reason why Oberheim wouldn't tell their customers that. If you've come across a vendor selling a type of memory that doesn't work, you would serve the world better by contacting Oberheim and letting them know about it. Then they will be able to inform their other customers, as I'm sure they would be more than happy to do. My experience as an EE designing products for the computer industry and the music industry is that the ordinary DRAM typically used on 30 pin simms and the simms themselves only come in just a few basic varieties, and that it is pretty easy to design a memory controller that handles them all. That's what the echoplex and other memory oriented music products do, which is why manufacturers say they handle all types of simms. The echoplex memory controller was designed to handle parity/non-parity simms, any speed faster than 120ns, and all the different possible DRAM chip configurations. When we designed the echoplex, we tested all the varieties available and everything worked fine. And as I noted, no problems have been reported to Oberheim since, at least that I know of. It's possible you guys have come across something new, which Oberheim should be informed about. In the days when 30-pin simms were common on computers, some computer manufacturers elected not to use universal memory controllers for their own mysterious marketing / cost / bad-engineering reasons. That tended to confuse people buying for music industry products, where manufacturers tried to do their customers a favor by going to the extra effort to do it right. Unfortunately, various memory vendors and music stores have been known to take advantage of this musician confusion and sell "special" memory for a higher price, which is almost always BS. With newer computers the situation does get more complicated, since newer DIMM memory comes a wide range of flavors and you really do need to make sure you are getting the right kind, because the technology is quite different. But that generally wasn't the case in the 30-pin simm days. And it's generally not the case for products still using 30-pin simms now. But it does add to the confusion, unfortunately. It seems to me more likely that somebody is either dumping defective memory on the market or somebody is suddenly making 30 pin simms with a different type of DRAM on them to clear inventory. (either of which would not be at all suprising given the current economic crisis in South Korea, where Samsung is located. A lot of ugly stuff has been happening in the past few months, because companies in SE asia are doing anything to get dollars into their bank accounts as quickly as possible.) It might be wise to buy memory from reputable dealers to avoid these problems, at least for now. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 20 19:45:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA00804; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:51:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:51:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Thomas Whni" To: Subject: gigasampling , ! or ? Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 03:46:55 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd9cb6$78559ee0$ae0a4382@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZnzlA.0.CA.KS6Zr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings all!! I have just stumbled upon the concept of Gigasampling , as introduced by Nemesys. What is this? Can I use it on my standard pentium (without SCSI drive)? Is the quality of the samples better ,as promised by nemesys? Is it just software or does it need some hardware-device for recording and such? Thanks , Thomas PS: I have searched for the nemesys homepage but only one of the URL were working , so I couldn`t get info on any of these questions I`m asking............ PS: I sent a posted a mail a few days back about comparing the jamman vs the Boomerang but noone replied..... maybe it didnt get through?? From ???@??? Sat Jun 20 22:58:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA06262; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:33:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:33:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980621034020.511.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:40:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: My loop live by Real Video To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"7B15Z2.0.yV1.vx7Zr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---Sunao Inami wrote: > I just encoded my loop live gig to Real Video. > The live was recorded in 1st Nov. '95. > > It stream now,URL is > http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/ZENimages.html > Also another one available, > http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/ash.html (snip) > I would like to hear your impressions. Nice work. I like the noise aspect. 93 Rev. DOubt-GOat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. http://www.spiritone.com/~skhtmt/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 11:51:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA24189; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 05:07:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 05:07:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 2.1.3-J Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:48:27 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp (Sunao Inami) Subject: Re: My loop live by Real Video Resent-Message-ID: <"S8qSg2.0.Lu5.xqCZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Thank you for your visit. My next live gig is 30th June,it will our loopy,ambient and noise sound with avant-garde female dance performer. I will encode it when after the gig. Regards Sunao Inami E-mail cave@osk.3web.ne.jp URL"cave home" http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/ tel&fax "CAVE Studio" +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan > ---Sunao Inami wrote: > > I just encoded my loop live gig to Real Video. > > The live was recorded in 1st Nov. '95. > > > > It stream now,URL is > > http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/ZENimages.html > > Also another one available, > > http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/ash.html > (snip) > > I would like to hear your impressions. > > Nice work. I like the noise aspect. > > 93 > > Rev. DOubt-GOat > === > The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat > > The Darsan Trio > Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. > > http://www.spiritone.com/~skhtmt/ > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 11:51:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA24902; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 05:31:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 05:31:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BD9D07.A08E1580.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: loopmarketing Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:22:34 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ViaMw.0.K36.VBDZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all, now that my own first loop CD is almost ready, I'd love to stir up a discussion about loop music marketing ... those of you who have CDs out, what is your experience, opinion, and approach to this? Is it feasible at all to produce, market, and distribute a CD without a record label? How does one proceed, what are the things to watch out for, how can the CDs be distributed, what are good addresses (radio stations, magazines ...) for distribution, where does one send promo CDs, etc? Is doing it all alone a better or a worse approach than working with a record label? What are the pros and cons? Are there other ways to do it? How does one find a suitable record label? There are hundreds of labels for the experimental, electronic, ambient genres - how can one find out what the differences are, which label would be best suited for one's needs, how does one approach them, what can one expect, how can one make sure that one doesn't get ripped off? michael peters mpeters@csi.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 11:51:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA01822; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:58:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:58:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:56:50 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Jamman vs. Rang Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199806210757_MC2-40DE-9A03@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"rzP9H1.0.lQ.8LFZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Thomas, maybe nobody replied because comparing the two units doesn't make that much sense; they both seem to work quite well and the shortcomings in either unit seem to balance each other. The real hangup with all this gear is that You can't really configure them to Your individual needs as much as is would be appropriate to serve as a spontaneous, creative element in making music. I still cannot on any of my high-quality digital boxes equal the sound of the tape echo with a manually sliding head I used in 1982 (which is a lot to ask for, I admit). Since I'm not willing to lugg 3 different units (tc 2290, Rang, PCM 80 with which I had tremenduos SIMM problems by the way...)to each gig I started to use less and less of this gear 'cause its plain stiff and unmusical to work along configurations made by some factory tech five years ago. And when I read in a LD posting the other day that the praised Oberheim Echoplex can't even make ANY octave(speed) up/octave (speed)down stuff AT ALL, I sort of really lost faith in all these boxes. (Maybe the re-release of the EH 26 sec. delay ....?) To top of all that frustration I finally have a fantastic lightweight single-rack multieffects (tc G-Force) that subs for a whole fridge of 80#s rack gear BUT they say they see no reason to include delay time above 1,4 sec. in it. Hell, this is never gonna end. Ciao, Andreas From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 11:51:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA08552; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:08:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:08:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980621140612.006ddc28@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:06:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: My loop live by Real Video Resent-Message-ID: <"1sfeW1.0.m32.9FHZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 17.48 21/06/98 +0900, you wrote: > >Hi, > >Thank you for your visit. >My next live gig is 30th June,it will our loopy,ambient and noise sound with >avant-garde female dance performer. >I will encode it when after the gig. > > Regards > > Sunao Inami > Hi Sunami I'd like to say that I enjoyed your web files. Video and audio. Good work. Let us know for the future. ciao leo From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 11:51:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA08832; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:12:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:12:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <9ab983f4.358d1443@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:10:09 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Jamman vs. Rang,etc..... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"Na-Su.0.X82.eIHZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/21/98 6:57:52 AM, Andreas wrote: <> Yes, the G-Force is wonderful. Is it so horrible to have a rack consisting of a G-Force and an Echoplex? Of course, there's always that Kyma System...... Marshall From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 11:51:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA16936; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:11:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:11:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980621104046.00860e60@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:40:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Jamman vs. Rang In-Reply-To: <199806210757_MC2-40DE-9A03@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TWgxy1.0.d64.m2JZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andreas, You might want to look at the DOD DFX-98 delay. It does looping, has 8 seconds of delay, and a delay time knob allows you to adjust the speed/pitch of your loops. -Chuck Zwicky At 07:56 AM 6/21/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Thomas, > >maybe nobody replied because comparing the two units doesn't make that much >sense; they both seem to work quite well and the shortcomings in either >unit seem to balance each other. >The real hangup with all this gear is that You can't really configure them >to Your individual needs as much as is would be appropriate to serve as a >spontaneous, creative element in making music. I still cannot on any of my >high-quality digital boxes equal the sound of the tape echo with a manually >sliding head I used in 1982 (which is a lot to ask for, I admit). Since I'm >not willing to lugg 3 different units (tc 2290, Rang, PCM 80 with which I >had tremenduos SIMM problems by the way...)to each gig I started to use >less and less of this gear 'cause its plain stiff and unmusical to work >along configurations made by some factory tech five years ago. >And when I read in a LD posting the other day that the praised Oberheim >Echoplex can't even make ANY octave(speed) up/octave (speed)down stuff AT >ALL, I sort of really lost faith in all these boxes. (Maybe the re-release >of the EH 26 sec. delay ....?) >To top of all that frustration I finally have a fantastic lightweight >single-rack multieffects (tc G-Force) that subs for a whole fridge of 80#s >rack gear BUT they say they see no reason to include delay time above 1,4 >sec. in it. Hell, this is never gonna end. > >Ciao, Andreas > > From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 11:51:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA18692; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:39:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:39:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199806211637.RAA19085@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> From: "Tim Walker" To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:50:12 +0000 Reply-To: "Tim Walker" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: LoopRing? Resent-Message-ID: <"RdWpQ.0.oX4.JSJZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi y'all, Leafing through the Webring site list recently, I observed there's loads of music webrings, as you'd expect. Everything from guitarists and "tappists" through to marching bands and oboe players... but none specifically for looping musicians. Why don't we start a "Loopring" as an offshoot of LD? Someone could design a banner for it, similar in appearance to the LD one - it might drum up a bit of extra exposure for loopers' Web sites, and hopefully LD itself. Any thoughts? BTW, I've got a Peavey Studio Pro 110, and we're very happy together :-) 'Bye noo... Tim Walker - tawalker@dircon.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/5117/ From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 11:51:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA21163; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:14:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:14:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <91cedac2.358d3efa@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:12:25 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: gear lust Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"u30Fl.0.f85.RzJZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com will ten monkeys in a million dollar studio make better music than one guy that can play a ....(fill in the blank) ?.....michael p.s. i would rather hang with the monkeys :) From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 11:52:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA24037; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:03:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:03:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01bd9d3e$8d0fd480$5a23dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: gear lust Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:00:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"1k7aN1.0.Or5.1hKZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just ten? I thought the music industry hired millions of monkeys! And they wouldn't make better music, just more of it. Oh wait! It's like that now! Sorry. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week, Fathers Day/Summer Solstice)! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios Nemoguitt@aol.com intoned: >will ten monkeys in a million dollar studio make better music than one guy >that can play a ....(fill in the blank) ?.....michael From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 12:25:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA26997; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:54:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:54:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980621185040.12161.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:50:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Jamman vs. Rang To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"WFRGH1.0.vZ6.VRLZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---Andreas Willers wrote: > > Hi Thomas, > > maybe nobody replied because comparing the two units doesn't make that much > sense; they both seem to work quite well and the shortcomings in either > unit seem to balance each other. Since I've never tried out the Boomerang, I can only speak for the JamMan. It's a good sounding unit, but I wish it had a more sophisticated delay mode. > And when I read in a LD posting the other day that the praised Oberheim > Echoplex can't even make ANY octave(speed) up/octave (speed)down stuff AT > ALL, I sort of really lost faith in all these boxes. (Maybe the re-release > of the EH 26 sec. delay ....?) Heh. *Tell* me about it. You'd think that would be an obvious feature to have, but like most modern digital boxes - and I'm thinking mainly of recorders here - that's a feature they figured nobody used. Hell, even my fostex r8 only does about a whole step or so. I'd really like to be able to do the classic baby laugh down an octave trick. > To top of all that frustration I finally have a fantastic lightweight > single-rack multieffects (tc G-Force) that subs for a whole fridge of 80#s > rack gear BUT they say they see no reason to include delay time above 1,4 > sec. in it. Hell, this is never gonna end. You're probably right. On the other hand, I figure that when it comes to fx, the only *real* fx you need is your chops. Everything else is gravy. So, fx come and fx go, but good chops and musicality are an ongoing, eternal process. 93 Rev. DOubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. http://www.spiritone.com/~skhtmt/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Fri Jul 03 12:02:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA00755; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:41:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:41:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <358D64F3.3950@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:54:27 -0700 From: Alexandre Tavares Frias X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jamman memory References: <19980702230748.16110.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9Wfe63.0.O6.F5Ddr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dennis Coggia wrote: > > Does anyone know what exactly is so special about the memory for a > Jamman? Do you really have to get it from Lexicon? > D- > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I've got a JamMan very recently and loved the thing... But for my best surprise the memory upgrade used the same memory chips I had in a memory expansion designed by a company called Supra for my old Amiga A500. The expansion was called SupraRAM 500RX and it had, in my case, two megabytes divided by 4 chips. A lot of care was needed to take them off and substitute the JamMan originals. As I'm using a new Amiga 32 bits computer now these 16 bits memory chips didn't mean a thing until now. I'm in love with this 32 seconds beast. []'s Alex Frias From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 19:06:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA13998; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:42:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:42:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:40:43 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: gear lust Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"ojJ3l1.0.SO3.SXQZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 98-06-21 13:14:07 EDT, you write: << will ten monkeys in a million dollar studio make better music than one guy that can play a ....(fill in the blank) ?.....michael >> Hey, c'mon now, gear lust is SELDOM IF EVER about MUSIC - it's about HAVING COOL GEAR!!! :) - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 19:06:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA13510; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:37:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:37:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <358DA974.7948@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:46:43 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loopmarketing References: <01BD9D07.A08E1580.mpeters@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sdz-S1.0.CH3.aSQZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael Peters wrote: > > hi all, > > now that my own first loop CD is almost ready, I'd love to stir up a discussion > about loop music marketing ... those of you who have CDs out, what is your > experience, opinion, and approach to this? I don't have a CD out, but I've basically decided to start my own label once I've got my music recorded, so I've been doing a lot of research into the nuts and bolts therein. I'll offer up what insights I can, though there are several on the list with far more experience and insight (hopefully they'll pipe up with their own ideas). > Is it feasible at all to produce, market, and distribute a CD without a record > label? Pretty much every indication I get is that the current trend is towards labels taking an interest in artists who develop a lot of momentum on their own. Groups like Hootie and the Blowfish and Dave Matthews Band got signed principally because they had built up serious regional followings through extensive gigging, and had already released their own indie CDs which had sold thousands of copies via gigs and word of mouth. Ironically, one of the best ways to get a label interested in you is to prove that you basically don't need them, and that you're already a somewhat autonomous commercial entity. But even if you're not looking to be picked up by a label, the dropping costs of CD manufacturing, coupled with the flourishing independent scene, makes it easier than ever for a person to do a lot on their own. > How does one proceed, The best thing to do is to start your *own* label, which basically amounts to registering it, filing a name statement, opening a DBA (doing business as) bank account, and other legal and business details. Total cost for this is probably somewhere between $100-$300. > what are the things to watch out for, There are some strange legal loopholes in some cases. For instance, some cities prohibit running a business out of one's house due to zoning laws, which means that you have to rent out a suite (i.e. a spot where mail can be delivered to you). This apparently gets around the zoning issue because even though you're only renting a tiny mail box, technically you're renting out property. (Apparently a PO box doesn't work; you've got to go to an outlet like Mail Boxes Etc. or some such localle). I've also heard that some cities require that people running a business out of their home must set aside one room designated strictly for business use -- no bed or anything else. Kind of a pain in the ass, and these things seem to get checked up on. Be sure to check with the local regulations in terms of what you need to do in order to operate as a business. There are quite a few books out on the subject of releasing one's own record independently; check out some of those as well. > how can the > CDs be distributed, what are good addresses (radio stations, magazines ...) for > distribution, CDs that you buy in stores get from labels to retailers through distributers. One of the more or less unanimous sentiments seems to be that distribution is a collossal headache; the market is swamped right now, making it very difficult for a new or untested artist to get a distributer to carry their album. And just because a distributer *does* pick up a CD doesn't necessarily mean that they're getting it into stores. Distribution is the bane of music retail. I'm not sufficiently well-versed with it's many intricacies to say much about it, except that's it's a serious drag. There are other outlets, though they're more labor-intensive. You can contact stores and try to sell them directly without a distributor (as the Jones Brothers in Saturday Night Live used to say, "We eliminate the middleman!"), via a consignment deal. You can sell them at gigs (provided, of course, that you actually play out). You can run ads in print magazines oriented towards indie labels and/or your particular musical focus and sell direct via mail-order. And of course you can use the Internet to target potential customers through a few well-placed posts in newsgroups and mailing lists. There are also a lot of resources for independents cropping up online; check a search engine and be prepared to spend a few hours sorting through the resources. This is a very interesting time for music retail and the Net; it's obvious that there's some incredible potential, but right now everybody's kind of feeling their way through the different possibilities and trying to work around the logistical issues of charging customers for downloads, maintaining sound quality, etc. For someone like yourself with a strong basis in computing and online work, I'd consider the possibilities of online marketing and distribution as a primary possibility for getting your music out. > where does one send promo CDs, etc? Promo CDs get directed at record stores (ideally intended for in-store play, though they generally wind up getting passed along to store employees), journalists at magazines for review, and radio stations for airplay -- in a nutshell, anybody who's in a position to get people to hear your music. If you're sending a promo, it's a good idea to include some kind of cover sheet and/or bio describing the music and specifying which tracks are particularly worthy of attention. > Is doing it all alone a better or a worse approach than working with a record > label? What are the pros and cons? Are there other ways to do it? The upside to working without a label is that you make 100% of the money from the sales of the CDs. Robert Fripp once pointed out that his soundscapes album "1999" had sold 10,000 copies through his own label, DGM. He went on to say that if it had been sold through a major, the album would have had to sell over *100,000* copies for him as an artist to have made the same amount (and even though that's his own label, some of those profits no doubt go back into DGM). I think Ani DiFranco makes about $4.00 per every CD she sells through her own label (but again, the rest of the profits go right back into her own record label, of which she's essentially the only artist, barring a one-off collaboartive album from a couple of years ago). Exactly what kind of royalty deal an artist gets with a label varies from label to label and from deal to deal. For comparison's sake, a really good major label deal will give an artist about $1.00 per every CD sold. (Consider that the current list price for most CDs in America is somewhere in the $14.99-#17.99 range.) The fairly recent breakthrough in terms of affordable home CD burning is a really interesting development. For instance, let's say I'm going to play a solo gig in a town a couple of hours away. So I burn up ten CDs at home on a CD-R drive. With the average cost of a blank CD-R somewhere between $1 and $5, and factoring in paper for the jewel box and CD face labels, let's say that each CD costs about $3 to make at home, which translates to $30 for ten of them. So I stick them in a box, have a good night at the gig, and sell all ten discs to people in the audience for $12.00 each. That means I've made a profit of $90 -- and I don't have a box of 990 extra CDs sitting in the closet waiting to be sold. Depending on how many CDs you're looking to sell, how quickly you expect to need a large amount of them, and what the cost of mass-producing several hundred happens to be, literally burning and manufacturing CDs at home could be a very viable route to go. Another upside to DIY is that you're in control of your own destiny -- you decide how it's marketed, where it's directed at, the works. You don't have to deal with people who may or may not understand your music, who may or may not decide that your work is a priority for promotion and marketing, who may or may not have a good sense of what route to take in making potential customers properly aware of the music, who nonetheless have control over your album due to contractual rights. And you'll wind up owning your master recordings, which isn't likely in a typical label deal where the label funds the recording expenses but then owns what they paid for (not an unreasonable arrangement, but a potentially discouraging one for an artist who has no control over what happens to the recordings of his music.) Even in cases where the artist basically delivers a finished master recording to the label, the label will often require a period of time (often many years) during which the label holds exclusive rights to manufacturing and distribution. The disadvantages to doing it yourseelf? You have to assume the roles of promoter, marketer, producer, and artist at the same time. There's a lot to be done in promoting a record, and one of the things labels offer is people who (hopefully) do those things for the artist (whether or not they actually do is another matter altogether). They also cover the expenses of promotion and marketing. Granted, these expenses often come out of any future pay an artist may recieve, but the issue of simply raising the necessary capital to press up some CDs and run a few ads is less daunting for a label with an established presence and a history of working with publications and outlets than it is for one artist who's footing the bill himself. > How does one find a suitable record label? There are hundreds of labels for the > experimental, electronic, ambient genres - how can one find out what the > differences are, which label would be best suited for one's needs, It depends on what you're looking for a label to do for you. Some are better than others in terms of simply getting product into stores. Others are more geared towards mail-order and word-of-mouth. Some have certain types of reputations built up, to the extent that a lot of customers will buy pretty much anything from that label simply by virtue of the label's track record and reputation. A good thing to do is to check out various artists whose work you feel is in a vein similar to yours, and then find out which labels carry their work. It's a bit of a double-eged sword, though, becuase a label that already carries an artist who does very similar work to what you're doing isn't going to be looking for another one of those exact acts. In other words, Elektra isn't looking for another Metallica, Maverick isn't hunting for the next Alanis Morrisette or Prodigy, and Discipline Global Mobile ain't exactly hard-up for Guitar Craft-bred ambient guitar-loop artists. I'd say, try to find a label that seems to share your own musical philosophy, but which has enough of an empty niche in its roster that you can stand out amongst the others. Once you've found a few labels that seem to carry music you feel is in a kindred vien to your own, you might simply go to some record stores and see how many of those releases are in stock. See what other artists are on the label's roster, and check out what sort of distribution they have as well. (Use some common sense here -- don't think that Astralwerks doesn't do a good job of getting product into stores just because the new Photek or Adam F CDs aren't in Sam Goody next to Mariah Carey and Celine Dion. Check out stores that cater towards the type of music you're doing). Talk to the store buyers (the people responsible for dealing with distributors and selecting what titles the store carries) or management and see what their take on different labels might be. Also bear in mind that a lot of these smaller, more obscure labels are no more than one- or two-person outfits. One of the reasons there are so many indies these days is that everybody and their dog is starting up their own label. Beyond that, you might simply see how many labels are actually *willing* to take you on. It's one thing to be selective, and if you're ina position to shop around, then more power to you. From my point of view, the main reason I'm preparing to start my own label is that I don't think there are any labels out there that would be interested in putting out the stuff I'm working on. A good resource is _The Musician's Guide to Touring and Promoting_, which is published about once every six months by _Musician_ magazine. Among other things, it includes an extensive listing of labels, often including what sorts of music they specialize in. > how does one > approach them, Most indies accept unsolicited tapes, though some don't and others have specific policies (i.e. call them first, write to obtain permission to send, etc). Unsolicited tapes sent to labels that aren't receptive to them usually wind up returned to sender at best, or cast into the trash heap unopened at worst. The _Musician's Guide_ has a comprehensive list of different labels' policies; you can also try e-mailing, faxing, or calling them for info. As I mentioned above, releasing it yourself and getting some concrete results is a good way of getting somebody's attention. Here's a scary statistic: 97% of all major-label releases sell no more than *700* copies. That means that any hack rock band or bedroom-studio techno producer who presses up 1,000 CDs and sells them all at gigs out of the back of their car is on par with the top 3% of releases put out by the Big Five majors. Pretty sobering, huh? > what can one expect, how can one make sure that one doesn't get > ripped off? Be very clear on what the terms of the contract are; depending on how in-depth it is and how it's worded, consider having an attorney work with you to negotiate the contract. Things to be mindful of include master tape ownership, royalty rate, royalty payment schedule, number of albums you're required to deliver under the terms of the contract, degree of artistic control, etc. A serious caveat: this is all basically a report on what I've found out myself from research, which has yet to be tempered with the actual litmus test of practical hands-on experience. So, if I've said anything here that a more knowlegable or experienced member of the list would care to elaborate or correct me on, I'd be more than happy to hear it! --Andre From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 19:06:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA15162; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:56:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:56:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:55:07 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: live gigs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"RfqcF.0.tg3.ukQZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi everyone. de-lurking momentarily to let you all know I'll be out doing some loopage and blues-like guitar playing with Toronto singer-songwriter Douglas September. 6/25 Turning Point. Piermont NY 6/26 Bottom Line. NYC 6/28 Living Room. NYC 6/29 Arlene's Grocery. NYC 7/2 Tinker Street Cafe Woodstock NY 7/3 Raoul's. Portland, Maine cool songs from Douglas' debut cd on Samson/Gold Circle titled "Ten Bulls" check out the review in July's Guitar Player skeebo and best wishes, Robby Aceto From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 19:56:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA21090; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:32:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:32:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Thomas Whni" To: , Subject: SV: loopmarketing Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 04:27:15 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd9d85$4541e700$LocalHost@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"NYvqZ3.0.P75.y8SZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I've also heard that some cities require that people running a business >out of their home must set aside one room designated strictly for >business use -- no bed or anything else. Hi andre , thanks for the thoughtful and knowledgable post. It gave me a lot to think about. Most of the stuff was pretty new(and therefore useful)to me , but the part I`ve cut out is something I`ve read about. I think the rule about a room with ONLY office appliances comes in when you get into the subject of Tax-writeoffs. The way it works here in Norway is , if you can prove that you use a certain percentage of your home for business-only , you can write that percentage off as -expenses-. This means , if you use a fourth of your flat as an office , with a phoneline/fax and other "office stuff" , you can write off a fourth of your rent on your income-taxes. Maybe I`m way off target on what it`s like in the US , but I saw an opportunity to contribute........AND I TOOK IT!! :-) Seriously , this thread is VERY interesting to me despite the low loop content. yours , Thomas From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 23:47:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA29149; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:21:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:21:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002901bd9d94$e2309fc0$e56703cf@rjiredff> From: "Jonathan Brainin" To: Subject: Re: live gigs Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:18:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"6TISW1.0.657.DkTZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey there, can you tell me any info about the Living Room and Arlene's Grocery (like addresses?) Also, what time is the first set at the Bottom Line? Thanks, Jonathan Brainin -----Original Message----- From: RA336@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 8:56 PM Subject: live gigs >hi everyone. >de-lurking momentarily to let you all know I'll be out doing some loopage and >blues-like guitar playing with Toronto singer-songwriter Douglas September. >6/25 Turning Point. Piermont NY >6/26 Bottom Line. NYC >6/28 Living Room. NYC >6/29 Arlene's Grocery. NYC >7/2 Tinker Street Cafe Woodstock NY >7/3 Raoul's. Portland, Maine > >cool songs from Douglas' debut cd on Samson/Gold Circle titled "Ten Bulls" >check out the review in July's Guitar Player > >skeebo and best wishes, >Robby Aceto > > From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 23:48:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA32628; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 01:12:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 01:12:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <358DE743.44B5F5B5@cyber-dyne.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:10:27 -0700 From: Marc Roche X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: douglas-lawrence@home.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PANIC! Echoplex freaks out References: <000101bd9c8c$3259eab0$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Z5KW-1.0.xx7.YUUZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Loopers, I received my new 'plex just this weekend and immediately upgraded to 16 megs. I have experienced all the same problems that Mattias has had and more. This evening I switched the SIMMs back to the original four 1Meg SIMMs that came with the unit and now it is working perfectly. It seems logical to assume that the problem is with the memory. My question is what the next step? Return the four 4Meg SIMMs and ask for different ones? Return the plex to Oberheim? Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Marc Roche Govinda's Music Douglas Lawrence wrote: > Mattias- > > I think the fact that our problem is the same is not just coincidental. It > seems Oberheim (and others) say that *any* 30-pin memory is good to use in > the 'Plex (parity or non-parity). Somehow I doubt that, but that's just from > my experience in the computer industry where memory is very hardware > specific. > > Just for reference, my "bad" memory was Samsung part # KMM594100AN-7 9421W5 > (parity). > > Can anybody recommend a specific brand/model of memory that they have not a > any problems with? > > Thanks, > Doug. > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Mattias Ribbing [mailto:mattias.ribbing@mailbox.swipnet.se] > >>Sent: Saturday, June 20, 1998 4:08 PM > >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >>Subject: SV: PANIC! Echoplex freaks out > >> > >> > >>I just upgraded to 16Mb, so I guess that's where the problem is. But the > >>memory I put in should work according to the manual (and it cost > >>me quite a > >>bit too :) But I guess I have to change back to the original for a while > >>then. > >> > >>Are there any 30-pin memory (faster than 120ns) that doesn't work? What > >>kind should I get? > >> > >>Thanks, > >>Mattias Ribbing > >> > >>---------- > >>> Frn: Kim Flint > >>> no it's not software, somethings gone wrong with your hardware. It could > >>be > >>> you put a bad memory chip in, but hard to say. You should contact > >>Oberheim > >>> to get it serviced. > >>> > >>> kim > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________________ > >>> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >>> kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > >>> http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >>> > >>> > >> From ???@??? Sun Jun 21 23:48:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA02276; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 02:07:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 02:07:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980622060525.20326.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:05:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: was: PANIC! Echoplex freaks out.: is : Relax ,EDP is robust To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"O4cU31.0.qX.YIVZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bad RAM happens (as a sr. engineering manager of data storage devices, I know). The echoplex is very tolerant. I have 2 EDP, both with mixed, previously owned, RAM. Both work fine. bret ---Kim Flint wrote: > > At 1:44 PM -0700 6/20/98, Douglas Lawrence wrote: > >Mattias- > > > >I think the fact that our problem is the same is not just coincidental. It > >seems Oberheim (and others) say that *any* 30-pin memory is good to use in > >the 'Plex (parity or non-parity). Somehow I doubt that, but that's just from > >my experience in the computer industry where memory is very hardware > >specific. > > I don't think its very fair to imply some sort deceptive tactics on the > part of Oberheim or any other manufacturer making such a claim. Until this > email thread and another mail I got this week, I've never heard of anyone > having such a problem with a particular type of simm on the echoplex, and > it's been out for 3 1/2 years. (5 years if you count the Paradis LoopDelay, > which had a similar memory controller design.) I'm pretty sure I would > have heard about it if there had been a problem! In the past, all the > different simm types have worked just fine, so there is no reason why > Oberheim wouldn't tell their customers that. If you've come across a vendor > selling a type of memory that doesn't work, you would serve the world > better by contacting Oberheim and letting them know about it. Then they > will be able to inform their other customers, as I'm sure they would be > more than happy to do. > > My experience as an EE designing products for the computer industry and the > music industry is that the ordinary DRAM typically used on 30 pin simms and > the simms themselves only come in just a few basic varieties, and that it > is pretty easy to design a memory controller that handles them all. That's > what the echoplex and other memory oriented music products do, which is why > manufacturers say they handle all types of simms. The echoplex memory > controller was designed to handle parity/non-parity simms, any speed faster > than 120ns, and all the different possible DRAM chip configurations. When > we designed the echoplex, we tested all the varieties available and > everything worked fine. And as I noted, no problems have been reported to > Oberheim since, at least that I know of. It's possible you guys have come > across something new, which Oberheim should be informed about. > > In the days when 30-pin simms were common on computers, some computer > manufacturers elected not to use universal memory controllers for their own > mysterious marketing / cost / bad-engineering reasons. That tended to > confuse people buying for music industry products, where manufacturers > tried to do their customers a favor by going to the extra effort to do it > right. Unfortunately, various memory vendors and music stores have been > known to take advantage of this musician confusion and sell "special" > memory for a higher price, which is almost always BS. > > With newer computers the situation does get more complicated, since newer > DIMM memory comes a wide range of flavors and you really do need to make > sure you are getting the right kind, because the technology is quite > different. But that generally wasn't the case in the 30-pin simm days. And > it's generally not the case for products still using 30-pin simms now. But > it does add to the confusion, unfortunately. > > It seems to me more likely that somebody is either dumping defective memory > on the market or somebody is suddenly making 30 pin simms with a different > type of DRAM on them to clear inventory. (either of which would not be at > all suprising given the current economic crisis in South Korea, where > Samsung is located. A lot of ugly stuff has been happening in the past few > months, because companies in SE asia are doing anything to get dollars into > their bank accounts as quickly as possible.) It might be wise to buy memory > from reputable dealers to avoid these problems, at least for now. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 01:20:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA05784; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:15:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:15:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980622071415.5901.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:14:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: My loop live by Real Video To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Leonardo Cavallo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"PnldX3.0.XO1.GIWZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sunao, Maybe it's just me, but your Email date says: Mon, 6 Feb 2040 This puts your Email, at the end of my Email list, strangely (new Email is normally at the top of the list). Are you the in Future? bret ---Sunao Inami wrote: > > Hi Leonardo, > > Thanks for your visit too. > > > I'd like to say that I enjoyed your web files. Video and audio. Good work. > > Let us know for the future. > > Thank you :) > Also I will encode some my passed live show to Real video. > I think it will hard,encode need many hours.. > but I enjoy encoeding,I enjoy my works to overseas broadcasting via Internet ;) > I live in Japan,from far East.haha.. > > Regards > > Sunao Inami > > E-mail cave@osk.3web.ne.jp > URL"cave home" http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/ > > tel&fax "CAVE Studio" +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan > > tel&fax "Private" +81 794 89 5015 Hyogo,Japan > > snail mail address 316 Ohshima > Kuchiyokawa > Miki City > Hyogo > Japan > 6730755 > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 10:14:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA21685; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:03:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:03:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 2.1.3-J Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:51:15 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp (Sunao Inami) Subject: Re: My loop live by Real Video Cc: Leonardo Cavallo Resent-Message-ID: <"8-mDL3.0.qG5.SdZZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry!! I have a probrem for my computer.. Sometimes my computer forget the time..it has battery problem :( soory again for it is not time machine.. > Maybe it's just me, but your Email date says: Mon, 6 Feb 2040 > This puts your Email, at the end of my Email list, strangely (new > Email is normally at the top of the list). > Are you the in Future? > bret Sunao Inami E-mail cave@osk.3web.ne.jp URL"cave home" http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/ tel&fax "CAVE Studio" +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan tel&fax "Private" +81 794 89 5015 Hyogo,Japan snail mail address 316 Ohshima Kuchiyokawa Miki City Hyogo Japan 6730755 From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 15:24:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA17060; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:13:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:13:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:38:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: JamMan FS Resent-Message-ID: <"O6m7L3.0.o74.1pgZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The GooberedUp JamPimp said:>Yo Y'all- > >Got a buddy with a JamMan for sale, but he does not know what they are >worth... what is the typical re-sale price for a excellent condition >JamMan? Offers and suggestions accepted... > >Tom "From 'Go Oberheim' Product Manager to JamPimp" Spaulding > >(read:Gooberheim) ;) In various places on-line I've seen them go for $350 up to $575 for a 32 secundo upgrade. I know some one who sold one recently (as in 10 days ago for $450.) I hope this helps. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 10:14:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA29327; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:50:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:50:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <358E560A.DE626CA2@tc.umn.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:03:06 -0500 From: John Dieterich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com CC: phiba-improv@wnur.nwu.edu, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [phiba-improv] One-of-a-Kind Musik Artifakts References: <85256627.006FFA79.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EgNKN.0.p77.RBbZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ed- this sounds cool-- I just read an interview with Gavin Bryars yesterday and he was talking about his recording of "the Sinking of the Titanic," (which is really great) and the theory they were developing there was that sound never dies, it just gets fainter and fainter. The theory there was that water actually carries sound more efficiently than air and, if you listen very carefully, you could actually still here the Titanic's band playing after it was underwater (and you still can)--of course, the guy Bryars was working with on this theory was also convinced that, given the right technology, etc., he could actually hear Christ giving the sermon on the mount. Who's right? Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com wrote: > Last night I got this crazy idea. You know how Eric Dolphy said, "music - > once it's out there, it's gone forever" or something like that ("Last > Date"). Well of course you can record it and put it out anybody who looks > for it can hear it. Well I got this crazy (sure to be regrettable) idea > which goes like this: > > If you send me a small donation to cover the cost of a tape and postage (in > fact $5) I will record a free improvisation on that tape (at least 30 > minutes I'm hoping) and send that tape to you, and ONLY you. There will be > NO OTHER EXISTING copies of said musical performance. You will own a > bonafide musical artifact which no one but you can hear. I won't even have > a copy myself. > > Now I wish my name were EVAN PARKER (for you phiba mates) or ROBERT FRIPP > (for you looper dudes) since that would be really cool. However I'm just > ed chang. Nonetheless, if anybody participates in this scheme I think it > could be fun at least as an exercise in conceptual art. > > (oh yeah, one other person who did something a little like this was Derek > Bailey when he was putting out the Incus Tapes. These tapes were a release > on his label of his solo guitar improvisations. The neat thing was that he > only dubbed a copy off when an order came in. And the tapes he did send > off were reel to reels! Of couse this didn't last long...) > > Anyways, > here's me addy: > Ed Chang/Quodlibet Recordings > POB 317 NY NY 10009 > > (BTW I play guitar, sax, clarinet, electronics, prepared sound sources, > tape-wreckage, turntables, voice, and I've been known to kick dirt into > microphones as well. I'm not taking requests, tho. sorry...) From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 10:14:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA01056; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:32:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:32:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Cc: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com, phiba-improv@wnur.nwu.edu Message-ID: <358E5C7F.F7DFCD98@lucent.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:30:39 +0100 From: robin bussell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Original-CC: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com, phiba-improv@wnur.nwu.edu Subject: Re: [phiba-improv] One-of-a-Kind Musik Artifakts References: <85256627.006FFA79.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> <358E560A.DE626CA2@tc.umn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"y_oUq3.0.HD.6pbZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > convinced that, given the right technology, etc., he > could actually hear Christ giving the sermon on the mount. Who's right? > > Well I'm afraid that entropy will get it in the end... basically it'll drop below the level of random background energy that is present in all things and thus become undetectable as you can't remove a random signal from any data. (which reminds me.. just how good are these noise removal boxes that claim to be able to get rid of hiss with no pre processing... common sense tells me that they can't get rid of it all but maybe they can just get rid of a fair amount of *perceived* noise via psycho-acoustic jiggery-pokery) I guess swamping by background randomness this would also happen pretty quickly too, depending on the environment, maybe a few seconds or less... shame really, it's a nice idea that those notes go on forever. Cheers, Robin. From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 10:14:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA04971; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:02:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:02:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Tony Boone" To: Subject: Re: live gigs Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:06:20 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"zOw7x2.0.2B1.uEcZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Douglas September Dates: June 26 The Bottom Line 15 West Fourth St. NYC, NY 10012 Allan Pepper ph: (212)228-6300 As part of WFUV's required listening series Set 1: 7:30 Set 2: 10:30 June 28 The Living Room 84 Stanton Ave. NYC, NY 10002 Contact: Jennifer 212.533.7235 caf: 212.533.7237 show 10pm June 29 Arlene Grocery 95 Stanton Ave. NYC, NY Owen ph: (212) show: 7:00 pm ---------- From: Jonathan Brainin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: live gigs Date: Monday, June 22, 1998 12:18 AM Hey there, can you tell me any info about the Living Room and Arlene's Grocery (like addresses?) Also, what time is the first set at the Bottom Line? Thanks, Jonathan Brainin -----Original Message----- From: RA336@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 8:56 PM Subject: live gigs >hi everyone. >de-lurking momentarily to let you all know I'll be out doing some loopage and >blues-like guitar playing with Toronto singer-songwriter Douglas September. >6/25 Turning Point. Piermont NY >6/26 Bottom Line. NYC >6/28 Living Room. NYC >6/29 Arlene's Grocery. NYC >7/2 Tinker Street Cafe Woodstock NY >7/3 Raoul's. Portland, Maine > >cool songs from Douglas' debut cd on Samson/Gold Circle titled "Ten Bulls" >check out the review in July's Guitar Player > >skeebo and best wishes, >Robby Aceto > > ---------- From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 10:14:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA25143; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:16:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:16:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7089DA242CE0D111BE750020AFD36C744977@host2.inc-net.com> From: Matt Blais To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: AHHHRRRGGHH! Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:19:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"RFwf_2.0.e66.5DeZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Call Gibson/Oberheim tech support/repair at 800-283-7135 (USA). If you're not in the US, you might rather email them: pmurphy@gibson.com (Pat Murphy) They fixed mine for free -- I think the problems you describe may be thermal-related: they put a new voltage regulator in mine which made it run much cooler, and I've had no further problems. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mattias Ribbing [mailto:mattias.ribbing@mailbox.swipnet.se] > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 1998 10:10 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: AHHHRRRGGHH! > > > Even more problems accure. Now it starts to fade out my loops > despite that > I have feedback set on full!!! > > Would be really gratefull for help, > Mattias > From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 15:24:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA11617; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:38:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:38:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <358EA5FF.5632@dmans.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:44:15 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jamman vs. Rang References: <199806210757_MC2-40DE-9A03@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3C4yR.0.Gp2.JIgZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andreas Willers wrote: > > maybe nobody replied because comparing the two units doesn't make that much > sense; they both seem to work quite well and the shortcomings in either > unit seem to balance each other. > The real hangup with all this gear is that You can't really configure them > to Your individual needs as much as is would be appropriate to serve as a > spontaneous, creative element in making music. What's missing here? Specifically, what features, capabilities, and user interfaces would you like to see that would make a looper configurable to your individual needs to serve as a spontaneous, creative element in making music? I welcome group answers or direct email. Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 Tel 800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913) Fax 214-343-1038 email mnelson@dmans.com web page http://www.boomerangmusic.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 15:24:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA13938; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:53:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:53:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:52:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Pete Koniuto To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: AHHHRRRGGHH! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"R3XcF3.0.CN3.JWgZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > the memory itself, but its hard to say for sure. But you are right, they > should be contacting Oberheim to get it resolved. OB's customer service > person is now Mike Ayers , I think Pat got promoted or > something. And Mike Ayers is great--he was very helpful in every step of looking into a problem i had with my EDP. His toll free phone # is 1-877-623-7434. Customer support doesn't get much better (or friendlier) than Mr. Ayers. Best, pk From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 10:13:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA17829; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:09:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:09:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980622115530.1ff734ee@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:55:30 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: If you want to pick on Peavey, you'll have to get through me first... In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980619185158.006ec450@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"wvicR1.0.WJ4.BrYZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Why does everybody trash on Peavey so damn much? I still use my first amp - a Peavey Audition Plus from about 1987 - a lot. It's only 20W which is useful when playing at home or with a violinist I occasionally gig with. However it is kind of embarrasing since it *is* my first amp. I kinda feel I should be on something with a bit more kudos - a Boogie, or a valve Fender at least. One of those valve tweed Peaveys'd be OK I suppose, but one worries about using a beginner's amp in case people think you ARE a beginner... Michael Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Griff raised his stunted barber's pole. "And where do you think you are going with your old black bag?" Grandpa said: "I am going to Llangadock to be buried" "But you aren't dead yet, Dai Thomas" -Dylan Thomas --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 15:24:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA14613 for kflint@annihilist.com; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:58:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:58:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-From_: tspauldi@home.com Mon Jun 22 14:58:36 1998 Received: from ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA14584 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:58:36 -0400 Received: from home.com ([24.2.102.108]) by ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA15535 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:57:52 -0700 Message-ID: <358EA90E.735B9634@home.com> Old-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:57:18 -0500 From: Tom Spaulding Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: (no subject) References: <3.0.5.32.19980621104046.00860e60@wavefront.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Yo Y'all- Got a buddy with a JamMan for sale, but he does not know what they are worth... what is the typical re-sale price for a excellent condition JamMan? Offers and suggestions accepted... Tom "From 'Go Oberheim' Product Manager to JamPimp" Spaulding (read:Gooberheim) ;) From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 15:24:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA15206; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:01:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:01:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <358EA996.9D388E0D@home.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:59:34 -0500 From: Tom Spaulding Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan FS References: <3.0.5.32.19980621104046.00860e60@wavefront.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lxTJK2.0.yf3.cdgZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yo Y'all- Got a buddy with a JamMan for sale, but he does not know what they are worth... what is the typical re-sale price for a excellent condition JamMan? Offers and suggestions accepted... Tom "From 'Go Oberheim' Product Manager to JamPimp" Spaulding (read:Gooberheim) ;) From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 23:53:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA05121; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:39:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:39:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:04:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: The other playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"k3k0F.0.bE1.JLnZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Inner Space - an ambient/industrial radio program in Zagreb, Croatia. Broadcasting from 22-24 sundays on 100,5 FM Radio Student. Playlist for 21.06.1998. Maras torment - Elvis (from Dreams like mine) Stay frightened - In my dreams (I killed it all) - One small thought terrified - And there one wish will die (from Still - Palace of worms) Scott Kungha Drengsen - Crystal dimension (from Basscapes - Old west) Desiderii marginis - Ephemeral - Entombment (from Songs over ruins -Cold meat industry) Fingerpaint - Deep into the new world - Measuring the storm (from Primary colours : Blue - FNGP) Nocturnal emissions - Heal now (from Glossallia - Soleilmoon) Zbigniew Karkowski - Immortals by my side (from Phauss/Karkowski/Bilting - Silent) Vladimir Jovanovic host of Inner Space for info about airplay write to: hrvatska-misao@zg.tel.hr Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 15:24:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA18127; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:20:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:20:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <358EAE0C.42EE6D3A@home.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:18:36 -0500 From: Tom Spaulding Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan FS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5SoMw.0.mO4.RvgZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Patrick..it helps. Let's try it at $425.00, exclusively available to all LD readers first, 'natch. I'll go outside if I gotta...please don't make me go outside... Tom "Brokerage House for Fine Looping Devices, est. 1998" Spaulding Patrick Smith wrote: > > The GooberedUp JamPimp said:>Yo Y'all- > > > >Got a buddy with a JamMan for sale, but he does not know what they are > >worth... what is the typical re-sale price for a excellent condition > >JamMan? Offers and suggestions accepted... > > > >Tom "From 'Go Oberheim' Product Manager to JamPimp" Spaulding > > > >(read:Gooberheim) ;) > > In various places on-line I've seen them go for $350 up to $575 for a 32 > secundo upgrade. I know some one who sold one recently (as in 10 days ago > for $450.) I hope this helps. > > Patrick > > Now Available: > FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE > www.fingerpaint.net > From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 15:24:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA24337; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:57:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:57:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <358EB4EE.CF6B2799@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:47:58 +0200 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: AHHHRRRGGHH! References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7t1y21.0.lv5.2ShZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just for the record I just had to resolder the central electrolytic cap that is near the heat sink bad soldering it was it made the plex reboot some time for no aparent reason and put the display in somme very scrambled states I found the problem by gently tapping around with a plastic stick check that out Claude -- Please correct the reply address by deleting this "----" Veuillez corriger mon adresse pour me rpondre en effaant a "----" From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 15:24:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA28209; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:22:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:22:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F604526AE@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Andre LaFosse'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: loopmarketing Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:19:46 -0400 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"ZhbkH3.0.ur6.SphZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loop Marketers ! I don't have too much to add to Andre's advice, aside from suggesting: 1) That you will want to establish your goals, priorities and budget; 2) If you're serious about starting a label, you'll need to allocate real money for increased phone bills, photocopies, postage..etc.; 3) To break throught the crowd, you may have to employ PR and Radio promotion help / services; >From my experience, self-releasing a record can very easily add up in promotion costs alone to $5,000 over four or five months. And it takes grueling amounts of dedicated time with people who have their own agends and who are inundated with solicitations. The abundance of product is staggering. Fact: in 1997, twice as many records were released as in 1996. Fact: in 1996, twice as many records were released as in 1995. Fact: in 1996 alone, 100,000 retail locations closed across the country. The good news (if you can call this good news....) is the six major labels are beginning to merge into four. This typically means 1) rosters are "cleared" of lower producing acts, 2) people get layed-off, and 3) -- the good news -- labels start hunting for new acts to lend money (that's what your advance actually is, whatever they may call it.). It's almost impossible to imagine how, but despite all this, new and interesting music gets into the world. And it could be yours! david k UNDO From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 15:24:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA01537; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:14:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:14:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ca01bd9e23$005a3e00$1ef1ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: loopmarketing Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:16:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"D-CVA1.0.WL.QaiZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree with David K. I have 'released' 2 CDs on my own, and it can be incredibly expensive just to get the thing out there, much less getting this label thing together. I had to ask myself 'What if I don't need a label, and what is it going to do for me if I have one of my own?' There is nothing wrong with releasing a CD on your own, and selling a few here and there at shows that you play. Playing live has been the best way of selling my CDs. It is difficult for me to justify selling idependently (locally) released CDs in local stores, they usually collect dust in the 'Local' section, and the store gets half the $ anyway. If you want to start a business, start a small publishing business, 'publishing' your own music. This entitles you to benefits like gear insurance from organizations like ASCAP and BMI. There are labels out there looking for new, interesting music, but I can't believe that they have all that much $ to dump into non-mainstream acts. Many of the artists signed to them still work day jobs, and as a result, they see even less $ from the sale of a CD. The only advantage I can see is that you can impress your friends with 'Oh yeah, I'm signed..'. The more musicians market their own music through the Internet and live gigs, the more music gets out there. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at: http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ >Loop Marketers ! > >I don't have too much to add to Andre's advice, aside from suggesting: > > 1) That you will want to establish your goals, priorities and >budget; > 2) If you're serious about starting a label, you'll need to allocate >real money for increased phone bills, photocopies, postage..etc.; > 3) To break throught the crowd, you may have to employ PR and Radio >promotion help / services; > >From my experience, self-releasing a record can very easily add up in >promotion costs alone to $5,000 over four or five months. And it takes >grueling amounts of dedicated time with people who have their own agends and >who are inundated with solicitations. > >The abundance of product is staggering. > >Fact: in 1997, twice as many records were released as in 1996. >Fact: in 1996, twice as many records were released as in 1995. >Fact: in 1996 alone, 100,000 retail locations closed across the country. > >The good news (if you can call this good news....) is the six major labels >are beginning to merge into four. This typically means 1) rosters are >"cleared" of lower producing acts, 2) people get layed-off, and 3) -- the >good news -- labels start hunting for new acts to lend money (that's what >your advance actually is, whatever they may call it.). > >It's almost impossible to imagine how, but despite all this, new and >interesting music gets into the world. > >And it could be yours! > >david k >UNDO > From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 23:53:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA16651; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:31:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:31:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <69515095.358ee8c9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:29:12 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: loopmarketing and LOOPRADIO Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"OY5QV2.0.524.VakZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear fellow LooperDelighters: The LoOpdOctOrs are in a state of trauma over the recent posts noting the overwhelming numbers of new recordings being released, new labels being created, and retail record outlets being closed. In their tone of Malthusian desperation and lemming like inevitability, these posts are collectively a prozac moment gone bezerk. That said, it strikes us that the supporters of LooperDelight, and partakers of the energetic, creative and intelligent input being fostered here take one giant step in lateral thinking and rexamine the idea of "distribution." What about this...a dedicated internet broadcasting station attached to LoopersDelight and promulgating loop based music 24 hours a day? Anybody anywhere on the net could tune in, swim around, and loop out. We have no idea if this is an impractical idea, but we always admired pirate radio in the sities...starting from about age nine when we heard Wolfman Jack doing his thing in the aether regions. It's the panache you know...the underground, wild assed, in-the-know and clandestine nature of these enterprizes that give them part of their attraction. So what about it? LoopersDelight as the fount for the most notorious hit and run musical experience on the net? And the play list is a no brainer -- just start with the LoopersDelight CD projects and put them into rotation. Remember, if we loop them, they will hummmmm.... Best, The LoOpdOctOrs From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 23:53:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA26578; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:52:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:52:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <358EFBF6.F5F342A4@home.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:51:02 -0500 From: Tom Spaulding Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan FS Special After Supper Discount References: <358EAE0C.42EE6D3A@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zmEdV.0.bS6.2nlZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Moopers- This baby has to sell today, so I'm cuttin' y'all a deal: Yours for the first $375.00 offer I get. Gotta be tonight, my bud needs to get cash to buy his dream guitar and he needs it quick!!! Thanks! Tom "Bubble Boy" Spaulding Tom Spaulding wrote: > > Patrick..it helps. > > Let's try it at $425.00, exclusively available to all LD readers first, > 'natch. I'll go outside if I gotta...please don't make me go outside... > > Tom "Brokerage House for Fine Looping Devices, est. 1998" Spaulding > > Patrick Smith wrote: > > > > The GooberedUp JamPimp said:>Yo Y'all- > > > > > >Got a buddy with a JamMan for sale, but he does not know what they are > > >worth... what is the typical re-sale price for a excellent condition > > >JamMan? Offers and suggestions accepted... > > > > > >Tom "From 'Go Oberheim' Product Manager to JamPimp" Spaulding > > > > > >(read:Gooberheim) ;) > > > > In various places on-line I've seen them go for $350 up to $575 for a 32 > > secundo upgrade. I know some one who sold one recently (as in 10 days ago > > for $450.) I hope this helps. > > > > Patrick > > > > Now Available: > > FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE > > www.fingerpaint.net > > From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 23:53:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA15811; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:10:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:10:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <358F2A61.2936B1EF@home.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:09:05 -0500 From: Tom Spaulding Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan FS $350.00 Only 1 left... References: <358EAE0C.42EE6D3A@home.com> <358EFBF6.F5F342A4@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"njPtX3.0.vq3.jgoZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Price is droppin'...who will be the lucky one.... Tom "Buy the JahMan, it's Irie" Spaulding Tom Spaulding wrote: > > Moopers- > > This baby has to sell today, so I'm cuttin' y'all a deal: Yours for the > first $375.00 offer I get. Gotta be tonight, my bud needs to get cash to > buy his dream guitar and he needs it quick!!! Thanks! > > Tom "Bubble Boy" Spaulding > > Tom Spaulding wrote: > > > > Patrick..it helps. > > > > Let's try it at $425.00, exclusively available to all LD readers first, > > 'natch. I'll go outside if I gotta...please don't make me go outside... > > > > Tom "Brokerage House for Fine Looping Devices, est. 1998" Spaulding > > > > Patrick Smith wrote: > > > > > > The GooberedUp JamPimp said:>Yo Y'all- > > > > > > > >Got a buddy with a JamMan for sale, but he does not know what they are > > > >worth... what is the typical re-sale price for a excellent condition > > > >JamMan? Offers and suggestions accepted... > > > > > > > >Tom "From 'Go Oberheim' Product Manager to JamPimp" Spaulding > > > > > > > >(read:Gooberheim) ;) > > > > > > In various places on-line I've seen them go for $350 up to $575 for a 32 > > > secundo upgrade. I know some one who sold one recently (as in 10 days ago > > > for $450.) I hope this helps. > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > Now Available: > > > FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE > > > www.fingerpaint.net > > > From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 23:53:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA18171; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:29:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:29:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:27:17 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: loopmarketing and LOOPRADIO Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"0DdJi1.0.KP4.mxoZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com malthus has come under some scrutiny as of late........ but your idea is most delightfull!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..........michael From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 23:53:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA03533; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:27:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:27:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199806230226.WAA03376@luis.yourwebhost.com> X-Sender: @ (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:25:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jean Boudreaux Subject: test post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"X_7ta2.0.zq.X9nZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a test post from Alabanza Customer Support. Sincerely, Jean Boudreaux If you're happy with Web Hosting at Alabanza, please take some time this week to vote for us at http://www.webhostdir.com/webhostawards/votingform.asp -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Customer Service Have you checked our FAQ? Alabanza, Inc. http://www.alabanza.net/faq http://www.alabanza.net svc@alabanza.com Please include your domain name 8309 Tinsley Rd. in all technical help requests Baltimore, MD 21244 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 23:53:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA29579; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:34:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:34:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <358F4030.3AEC@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:42:08 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loopmarketing redux References: <69515095.358ee8c9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NyhwH3.0.5C7.nnqZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've gotten some interesting feedback from people regarding the thread Michael started. This is clearly an important issue to a lot of people. Here is an elaboration on some record sales statistics: -- The number of albums released by major labels last year was somewhere in the neighborhood of 14,000. -- The number of albums released by majors two years ago was half of that (as someone mentioned earlier today). -- Of the 3% of albums released by majors which sell more than 700, 2% sell 50,000 or more, and 1% lie somewhere in the yawning divide between 701 and 49,999. -- I've heard it said that the majority of artists who sign with majors never even release records. Keep that in mind as you mull over the first two statistics. -- An artist with a major typically gets an advance against all future earnings. Once this advance is paid, the artist generally recieves no further payment until such time as the label has recouped the expenses of making the album. About 85% of major releases don't recoup. For another perspective, the lead singer of flash-in-the-pan band Sugar Ray gave an interview last year when their uncharacteristic mellow song "Fly" became the de facto Summer Anthem Of '97 (tm). He mentioned in the interview, given at the height of the single's popularity, that he'd had to borrow $60 from his dad to pay his pager bill, since he still owed his label many thousands of dollars. These are both terribly intimidating and oddly inspiring times. It's painfully apparent that the old ways of doing things don't work very well any more; the market is increasingly over-saturated with product, very little of which has any staying power, and the "music industry" is only becoming more corporate-driven, which means that you have people tending to treat music more and more like a commodity and less like an art form. Seagram Entertainment recently purchased Polygram, which means that a number of powerful labels including Polygram, Universal, Geffen, Interscope, and numerous others are now under the same corporate banner. The current plan for this new corporation is to trim expenses by about $300 million per year. This likely translates into "letting go" of acts and label personnel who don't meet the necessary standards. The upside to this is that there's never been a time when there were more easilly-accessible options to an independent musician in terms of getting their music heard by people. Here are some suggestions I have: -- A page could be started on the Looper's Delight site listing different independent (or non-independent) releases by members of the list. This would be a bit different than the discography section in the profiles; the idea would be to draw attention to albums which are specifically in-print and available for public purchase. Links to sites for the releases could be included, as could thumbnail descriptions of the albums. -- If someone can find the space to store them, some RealAudio files of the Looper's Delight CDs is a really interesting idea. Depending on how this is handled, it could conceivably expand into something more generally inclusive. -- With regards to the query of "why start a record label at all," my main thought is that if one is in fact established as a professional business entity, there are some considerable financial advantages. For one thing, you can obtain a resale permit, which allows you to avoid having to pay state sales tax on items that will be re-sold (i.e. CDs, T-shirts, posters, etc). For another, it means that professional expenses can be written off at tax time, and if your business includes recording and selling mass-produced CDs, there's serious potential for deductions. Beyond that, if one wants to be taken seriously by distributors, reviewers, and radio stations as something beyond yet another act peddling a "demo," it seems to me that actually having a serious business set up means you'll be ready to deal with the more in-depth mechanics of getting your music out there if and when that time comes. And if your "label" grows to much more than one person (and even if it doesn't), you'll likely need to open a DBA bank account to handle the finances in an orderly and accountable fashion, unless you're planning on having all payments "paid to the order of Joe Schmoe." -- People need to get out of the habit of getting their music from retail outlets and start thinking in terms of mail-order and Internet purchase. If you think about it, it's a lot less trouble to write out a check for a CD, put it in an envelope, and stick it in a mailbox than it is to drive to a record store and search through the stacks for product that may or may not be there. People should also keep in mind that bypassing the retail system means that more money is going to the artists themselves -- and if they're buying out of state, then it's very likely more cost-effective for the consumer as well. -- If you're going to go to the considerable time and expense of trying to put yet another CD out there into the world, then please try to make sure that there's a reason for people to hear it! It's a good idea if you want to get noticed amidst the several thousand other releases out there right now. Try to put music out there that really needs to be heard, that isn't saying the exact same thing that everyone else in your general sphere of music (whatever and wherever that may be) is trying to say. You owe it to yourself, to the other musicians whose music is vying for attention, and to the consumer who's trying to sort out the jewels amidst the clams. Finally, there's an excellent interview with Bill Bruford at Anil Prasad's site at http://www.innerviews.org/inner/bruford2.html/ Here's a brief excerpt wherein Bruford describes the perils of distribution: ------- I understand Discipline now has a distribution deal with Rykodisc. That's correct, and something that occurred after we took a terrible hit when something called INDI Alliance, a huge conglomerate of distributors, went bankrupt recently, leaving a huge unpaid bill. For a minute, I didn't think any of us were going to survive with Discipline Records incurring that huge a loss of money. But we're a resilient lot and we're still in business, but you must understand the American distribution system operates on a bit of a knife edge. Can you be more specific about how the bankruptcy of INDI Alliance almost finished-off Discipline? They had just released and sold a large number of Epitaph - a boxed of set of the very first, 1969 King Crimson and it was a very expensive item. They sold many thousands of them and failed to pay Discipline because they went bankrupt. So, that was unpaid money to Discipline, which is a problem. You've got bills and salaries to meet and if the distributor doesn't pay you, you're in real trouble. That was a bad time, but we've recovered from it. --------- This site also contains a couple of great David Torn interviews, including one mammoth, epic-sized one (which actually came into being as a result of a suggestion made by yours truly) which, among many other things, sees David go into detail about his dealings with ECM, CMP, and Windham Hill, as well as an account of how the Rain Tree Crow project was handled by Virgin. (More) sobering stuff. --Andre From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 23:53:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA30045; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:40:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:40:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001801bd9e71$8ba23b40$1922dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: A Request for Page Testing? Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:38:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"l4Xr73.0.YJ7.xsqZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folks! If you've a few minutes could you check out http://members.xoom.com/earthlight for me and tell me how the response rate is from your points? It'll help me know how palatable it is. :) And thanks again. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week, Father's Day/Solstice)! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Mon Jun 22 23:53:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA30970; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:53:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:53:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01bd9e73$579126c0$1922dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: It's The Ambient Channel! Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:51:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"u7nBZ.0.xX7.t2rZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While there is always concern here at EarthLight Studios regarding the ongoing nature of the music biz, I must emerge and concur with The LoOpdOctOrs in their feelings about the work at hand... However, one has to remember that those of us who are publishing on our own, are part of an emerging business of such a scale that most executives in the music business-as-we-know-it have only recently if at all stopped thinking the party line that they're the Only Distribution Channel In Town, and most still think the Internet isn't a major element in the music business except for side promos on their part. If there's going to be an ongoing Loop/Ambient radio online, might I throw in my voice as announcer? Also, why restrict oneselves to just this? How about a 24x7 Ambient Channel with video? Haah? On the audio-internet level, it'd be neat to have a small popup that streams away. And we don't really have to do anything but queue, and hope for a fast server, for the most part... yes? Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week, Father's Day/Solstice)! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Tue Jun 23 01:59:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA05496; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 04:42:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 04:42:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003701bd9e81$8d81b660$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: Subject: Desktop Loopaz Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:29:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"b7fuG1.0.uJ1.hfsZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all. Just wondering if anyone on this list was into "Desktop music"? How many people are as poor as I am, and can't afford synths and JamMans and echoplexes, and are struggling to make professional sounding compositions with a humble PC? The reason I'm asking is because I can see the potential of the system I'm using, and was wondering how many other people on the list have gone down this avenue. What was your set up? Were you impressed with the results? Can you offer any advice on hard/software, or additional devices to slap on to the setup? Just to get the ball rolling, Here's how it works for me: I've got a 166MMX PC with 56mb RAM, 1.6gb UDMA HD, and an AWE64 Gold card with 28mb on-board RAM. I use a Yamaha PSR230 keyboard purely for MIDI control, and Cubasis 1.6 (which came with the AWE 64 Gold). My method, basically, is to select/create my samples and do the destructive editing etc (as anyone into looping does I presume?), and use Vienna 2.1 soundfont studio to map the samples to the keyboard, (hence the huge RAM upgrade on the AWE 64) which then allows me to use the filter and LFO modules on the sound card. I use Cubase 1.6 to record the final mix. Although I've never played live before, at least with a set up like this I could stay busy adding and removing elements from the track, and could make a live remix up as I went along. It'd be great to have some comments back from other people into Desktop Music on the list, just to see whether people are sattisfied with the results they're getting, or whether they grew up and moved on to bigger and better toys. Cheers Steve "I want a 50,000 FX rack" Lauder From ???@??? Tue Jun 23 10:22:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA26463; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:09:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:09:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F604526C0@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Fmplautus@aol.com'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: "...if we loop them, they will hummmmm..." -- Official Motto? Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:06:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"4wJ--1.0.dR6.PZwZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loop-people -- I would like to nominate the following LoOpdOctOrs saying as as some kind of Loopers-Delight Official Motto" "...if we loop them, they will hummmmm..." Just think of the possibilities: CD's, T-shirts, wrist-bands, and picks. david k UNDO From ???@??? Tue Jun 23 10:23:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA27614; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:18:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:18:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980623131553.006eb828@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:15:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Desktop Loopaz Resent-Message-ID: <"lD_qW.0.Xj6.-hwZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09.29 23/06/98 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all. > >Just wondering if anyone on this list was into "Desktop music"? Hi Steve my current playing gear is not only my bass, my Stick, Jamman, Vortex and FXs, but my P233 too. I find the PC to be a perfect composition tool using the right software. I'm trying to integrate my looping lines (played in real time, with jamman and other delay units) with my samplings and sequences programmer chops. I own a 64 Gold too but I think it's not so good for HD recording. I recently bought an Event Gina sound card and I'm really happy with. Main progs: Cubase VST, Sonic FOundry Acid and a lot of other little softwares found on the Net. ciao leo From ???@??? Tue Jun 23 10:23:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA04523; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:35:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:35:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980623085513.007d9e30@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:55:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: "...if we loop them, they will hummmmm..." -- Official Motto? In-Reply-To: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F604526C0@mail.exapps.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vMa6h3.0.P41.bqxZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sounds like a grounding problem....... At 09:06 AM 6/23/98 -0400, you wrote: >Loop-people -- > >I would like to nominate the following LoOpdOctOrs saying as as some kind of >Loopers-Delight Official Motto" > > "...if we loop them, they will hummmmm..." > >Just think of the possibilities: CD's, T-shirts, wrist-bands, and picks. > >david k >UNDO > > > > From ???@??? Tue Jun 23 10:23:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA17968; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:04:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:04:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <17bbf74.358fd179@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:02:00 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Desktop Loopaz Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"5p7iM2.0.5M4.s7zZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey - just wanted to throw in my $.02.... I don't exclusively work on the pc, but I do use it a lot to process samples and do cutting and pasting, and fine-trimming loop points. That's one reason I'm glad that I also have an Akai MPC 2000 as my main sampler / looper / sequencer - it will read .wav files!!! I take a sample into Cooledit 96, tweak it and fine-tune the loop points, then dump it to the Akai, and viola! - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 23 10:23:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA08175; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:01:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:01:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199806231512.LAA23004@scylla.cowles.com> X-Sender: rswitzer@192.168.3.6 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:03:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Switzer Subject: Re: Desktop Loopaz In-Reply-To: <003701bd9e81$8d81b660$0d01a8c0@Remote> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Q49FI2.0.qy1.eCyZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:29 AM 6/23/98 +0100, you wrote: I use desktop music -- PC based hard disk recording, and digital editing technology -- to remix/resample myself -- even though I improvise with traditional instruments, and looping gear, I find that post-processing, or remixing myself is a great way to balance improvisation/composition -- improvisation generates the raw material, and composition comes into play after the fact, when these raw materials are treated and rearranged using digital editing tools. Check out the PC-Daw list (mailto majordomo@missionrec.com, with subscribe PC-Daw, or PC-Daw-digest in the body) -- this list is an invaluable resource for equipment/technique for PC compatible based digital audio. Extensive discussion would be off-topic for loopers-delight, but I'd be happy to answer any questions via private email. Rob Switzer ------------------------------------------------- http://www.721.com/rswitzer From ???@??? Tue Jun 23 10:23:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA23574; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:37:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:37:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: zip@mail.imaginet.fr Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Eudora F1.5.3 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:44:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: zip@imaginet.fr (jean-pierre zing) Subject: Re: Desktop Loopaz Resent-Message-ID: <"doacD.0.uj5.DczZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com unsubscribe take care of the rarebit fiends! From ???@??? Tue Jun 23 10:24:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA26139; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:54:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:54:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <358FEBFD.7B42B24D@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:55:14 +0100 From: Olivier Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: Universit catholique de Louvain, Belgium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: a live story References: <199806190706.DAA23767@luis.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZjH403.0.HL6.QszZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Eventually.. Got my first Gig with both use of Stick and Looping stuff. It was with a trio guitar/Stick/keys with voices. I was quite unsecure (so much technology. It is just a good reason to have more trouble getting everything sound good, and the first time the Stick went out...) I went well, not too many people but it went well. I had a few dazed questions afterwards (the use of an E-bow AND a Stick AND loops was far too much for most imagination..). I waited for long to get in this situation, and was very pleased. The loop went perfectly (Stick to preamps to Jamman 32' to Vortex). And since I owe the list for finding both jamdude and Vortex, thanks everyone here for contributing in this (small) event that was important for me. Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue Jun 23 10:22:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA07843; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 05:31:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 05:31:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980623111707.1e4f1e14@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:17:07 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: loopmarketing redux In-Reply-To: <358F4030.3AEC@earthlink.net> References: <69515095.358ee8c9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zpY-x.0.cu1.8NtZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Following on from the other Michael's important post about Bruford and Discipline, it might be worth reading Robert "He whose very mention incites Kim to explosion" Fripp's philosophy on why he set up the Discipline label; it's on the Discipline website, www.discipline.co.uk (I think). Michael Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Griff raised his stunted barber's pole. "And where do you think you are going with your old black bag?" Grandpa said: "I am going to Llangadock to be buried" "But you aren't dead yet, Dai Thomas" -Dylan Thomas --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Tue Jun 23 10:22:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA09353; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:00:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:00:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980623114553.0ad79340@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:45:53 To: mnelson@dmans.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Jamman vs. Rang In-Reply-To: <358EA5FF.5632@dmans.com> References: <199806210757_MC2-40DE-9A03@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"eVrh11.0.kF2.8otZr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mike Nelson: >> The real hangup with all this gear is that You can't really configure them >> to Your individual needs as much as is would be appropriate to serve as a >> spontaneous, creative element in making music. >What's missing here? Specifically, what features, capabilities, and user >interfaces would you like to see that would make a looper configurable >to your individual needs to serve as a spontaneous, creative element in >making music? I welcome group answers or direct email. Righto, here's my take an what a simple, floor-based looper should involve. Which is to say it's based around my JM-based floorsystem, using vol-pedals and switches to overcome the JM's limitations. My system uses the JM in Delay mode, so lets look at it like that; a delay with tap-tempo, which (noiselessly!) can re-size a loop by retapping loop length. This means grabbing snatches of longer loops by downsizing the loop length, or increasing the number of repeats by extending loop length. A tap 0n/tap off switch should be used to gate the input (ie record to loop). Another should be used to gate the output (ie mute). There should be a fader mechanism - the Rang's roller is perfect - to control feedback, NOT loop volume. All switches should act immediately and always be available. Extras like reverse, change speed, and undo are nice extensions to the basic looper but not as important as the above. And they should act in realtime also. Others may find multiple loops useful, I personally don't. Parallel loops (ie more thn one playing simultaneously) might also be fun but extend beyond the basic JM/Rang looper's scope. >From experience, I'd guess 20 secs would be a comfortable minimum; you guys with half-hour Plexi, how much do you actually USE??? Michael PS If you made one of these, I'd SERIOUSLY consider trading my JM for it. Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Griff raised his stunted barber's pole. "And where do you think you are going with your old black bag?" Grandpa said: "I am going to Llangadock to be buried" "But you aren't dead yet, Dai Thomas" -Dylan Thomas --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Tue Jun 23 21:17:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA16512; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:25:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:25:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:22:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Desktop Loopaz In-Reply-To: <17bbf74.358fd179@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"7ksCZ3.0.8_3.s30ar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 Crossedout@aol.com wrote: > That's one reason I'm glad that I also have an Akai MPC 2000 as my main > sampler / looper / sequencer - it will read .wav files!!! I take a > sample into Cooledit 96, tweak it and fine-tune the loop points, then > dump it to the Akai, and viola! ^^^^^ Does it work with other instruments too? 8) -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Tue Jun 23 21:17:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA17590; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:30:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:30:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980623122654.0086ed00@aznet.net> X-Sender: crimson@aznet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:26:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "a. b. tuckerman" Subject: DOD Dimension 12 In-Reply-To: <17bbf74.358fd179@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"be49H1.0.4G4.g80ar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone have any experience with the DOD Dimension 12, their rack mount delay processor? AMS is selling it for $239.97, is this a good price? Does any one recommend this unit, or not recommend it? Thanks, Adam crimson@aznet.net From ???@??? Tue Jun 23 21:18:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA14316; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:29:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:29:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <359048F1.FE71A671@polbox.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:31:45 +0200 From: Komay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Desktop Loopaz References: <003701bd9e81$8d81b660$0d01a8c0@Remote> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"P9dwr1.0.-S3.pW4ar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you would ask me a year ago what gear do I want I would say: AKai sampler,Spirit Mixing Desk,effects unit and so on.. Now I'm totally devoted to PC....Rebirth,Sound Forge,Fruity Loops(absolutely rockz).... I'm almost sure that you can get great results with PC,well It works for me... Yours Komay http://www.komay.w.pl "Decent music?Never heard..." From ???@??? Tue Jun 23 21:18:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA30938; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:44:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:44:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:41:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Anekdoten/Always Almost/Dark Aether Project 7/3 Philly area show Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"F-V7B.0.rV7.DV6ar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Come on out to see Sweden's Anekdoten in one of only two* US performances in 1998. They will be joined by Always Almost (from PA) and The Dark Aether Project (from MD) for a special night of music starting at 7PM on Friday, July 3rd at the William Bolton Dixon American Legion Hall located at 493 South Bethlehem Pike in Fort Washington, PA. [Please note the change from the previously announced venue in Lansdale] Admission is $15 at the door. All ages are welcome. Directions: >From northern New Jersey, New York and points north: Take 295 or the New Jersey Turnpike south to 276 (Pennsylvania Turnpike) west. See 276 continuation below. >From Maryland, Delaware and points south: Take 95 north to 476 north and then get on 276 (Pennsylvania Turnpike) headed east. See 276 continuation below. >From 276 (Pennsylvania Turnpike), take exit 26 towards Fort Washington/ Philadelphia/Ambler. DO NOT go up onto 309, go UNDER it. Then bear right onto West Pennsylvania Avenue. At the end of Pennsylvania, turn left onto Bethlehem Pike and follow it to the aforementioned address. *Anekdoten will also perform with The Dark Aether Project at Phantasmagoria located at 11319 Elkin St in Wheaton, MD on Thursday July 9th at 8PM. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Tue Jun 23 21:18:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA07497; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:58:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:58:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Thomas Whni" To: Subject: RE: Desktop Loopaz(downside) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 05:54:09 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd9f23$be1411e0$d20a4382@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ozway1.0.No1.na7ar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Komaz wrote: >If you would ask me a year ago what gear do I want I would say: >AKai sampler,Spirit Mixing Desk,effects unit and so on.. >Now I'm totally devoted to PC....Rebirth,Sound Forge,Fruity Loops(absolutely >rockz).... >I'm almost sure that you can get great results with PC,well It works for me... > >Yours Komay >http://www.komay.w.pl > >"Decent music?Never heard..." > > Hey mr. K , I`m sitting here downloading the first song on your site. One thing about your post strikes me; The place you were a year ago is exactly the place I am now. I`m dreaming of having a sampler and a mixing desk with outboard effects and all the possibilities that offers. The thing is, I have rebirth ,cubase , fruity loops demo and a bunch of other stuf for harddisc/Pc based stuff. My machine is a pentium 200 , 32 Mb RAM. The problem is: It doesn`t work!! the drive is too slow(IDE , not SCSI) the soundcard (AWE 32) sounds TOO crappy , I have to turn off my monitor before EVERY take due to noise seeping into my guitar pickups.........At the moment , I can only have 2-3 three tracks of audio MAX......noone knows why.......Im thinkin of abandoning the PC as a medium and move to ADAT(or similar)........this probably sets me back 5 years until im back on my feet , gear wise............. Anyways , I`m not tryin`to get you down at all , just warning you that there is more hassle to the PC than manufacturers want you to know about. Me , I went into most of the traps you can imagine......... Yours , Thomas "slayer of everything not SCSI" W From ???@??? Tue Jun 23 23:31:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA20179; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:11:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:11:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dizfunkt@aol.com Message-ID: <99d3abd1.3590982c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:09:47 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Desktop Loopaz(downside) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"OrH3P3.0.Uv4.sX9ar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 98-06-24 00:24:07 EDT, you write: << The thing is, I have rebirth ,cubase , fruity loops demo and a bunch of other stuf for harddisc/Pc based stuff. My machine is a pentium 200 , 32 Mb RAM. The problem is: It doesn`t work!! the drive is too slow(IDE , not SCSI) the soundcard (AWE 32) sounds TOO crappy , I have to turn off my monitor before EVERY take due to noise seeping into my guitar pickups.........At the moment , I can only have 2-3 three tracks of audio MAX......noone knows why.......Im thinkin of abandoning the PC as a medium and move to ADAT(or similar)........this probably sets me back 5 years until im back on my feet , gear wise............. >> I have to agree that many are the pitfalls ov the desktop musician. One crappy little thing (like the wrong HD) can screw the whole system. My solution is a combination of the hardware and software schools of thought. You can build a wicked music PC for around a grand( I highly recommend the Gina soundcard), sampler prices are in the gutter ( Esi-32 for $600 used Akai s1000 for $400) and then you could get the briliant Cubase producer pack w/ VST and Wavelab for around $500. If that weren't enough you can get old 16bit multi fx units dirt cheap. What more do you need. No overtaxing your processor with lots of realtime FX cause you can record wet w/ the multiFX or add FX in Wavelab. No worrying about sampler polyphony or memory, write with lo-fi samples then use the good ones to record several trax in VST. Do all the mixing internally and master in Wave Lab. Total System Cost with decent monitors: $3K not bad and this is way more than you REALLY need (DJ Shadow did his first trax with two turntables and a four track.) Aaron the Zilch VicePrezident in charge ov Cerebral Dizcomfort Audio Terrorism Corporation/House ov Scof The Makers ov A:P0D."MMMM Asshole Flavoured Goodness!" From ???@??? Wed Jun 24 10:40:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA25566; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 03:27:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 03:27:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980624032548.006c8d20@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: ngc1275@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 03:25:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Theatre of the Mind Subject: E L E C T R O L U S T Event Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Uz-UL2.0.8D6.zeAar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Folks, Hope you're having a good summer so far. Along your journeys stop off at "Upstairs at Nick's" in Philadelphia, Pa on July 7th at 9:00 pm for another E L E C T R O L U S T event. E L E C T R O L U S T is an electronic, computer, experimental based music series that happens once a month usually on the first tuesday. This month we're featuring "Accidents Will Happen". A happening three piece band known well in the coffee house sets in Phila. and Del. They assure us a dazzling set of electronic, experimental, ambient and sometimes humuruos performance. John Schenk will continue to mezzzmerize us with his audio ecstacy. Yours truely, "Theatre of the Mind" will have yet another new set of electronic pumping vibes. Very loop based compositions using DOD, RSD8000, Art FXR, Ensoniq VFX, Roland Jupiter 6 and Sonic Foundry ACID to create audio pallettes beyond the minds eye. This will be one fat event, so come on out and join us for a kickin' good time. Thanks to all the people who have been comin' out, E L E C T R O L U S T events continue to bring unique performances every month. wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww E L E C T R O L U S T July 7th 9:00 pm featuring ACCIDENTS WILL HAPPEN dj JOHN SCHENK and yours truely THEATRE of the MIND at Upstairs at Nick's 16 So. 2nd Street Phila., Pa 215.928.0665 $3.00 cover wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww We'll see you there for a smokin' good time, Mark b. Theatre of the Mind p.o.box 68 Bala Cynwyd, Pa 19004 610.664.8809 p.s. If there are any loopers interested in performing in a live setting let me know. I have open dates starting in September. From ???@??? Wed Jun 24 10:40:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA30213; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 04:40:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 04:40:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002301bd9f4a$6d793c20$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: Subject: Re: Desktop Loopaz (AWE 64 Upgrade cost) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:30:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"zSFk42.0.GM7.ejBar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> If you don't mind my asking, what did you pay and where did you get the ram? <<< Bearing in mind you only own the value, you will only be able to up the RAM to 24.5mb (AWE64 Gold has 4mb on the card already as opposed to 512k). Look on the Creative Labs European Web Site (www.creaf.com) and you'll see that it costs 125.00. Not exactly cheap compared to 72 pin simms, but there you go. >>> BTW, how have you been mapping the samples to your midi keyboard? <<< Well, that's why I bought the RAM. I don't know whether it comes bundled with the value pack or not, but I got Vienna 2.1 with my Gold card. Vienna 2.1 is a soundfont editor which, (funnily enough) allows you to build sound font banks. It allows you to map several samples (depending on memory on the card) to the keyboard and use them on the same instrument. You can also play around with envelopes and LFOs in Vienna, and sometimes you can use these facilities to make a good sample sound fantastic! Sampling at 16bit Stereo 44.1khz you can get approx. 2.4 minutes worth of samples onto the soundcards' RAM with a 24mb setup, which I find to be quite sufficient. The real bonus is that you can have 32 or 64 samples (processor dependent) playing at the time. If you're running a pretty average spec PC like myself, that's definitely more than the number of audio tracks available to you in a sequencer. I can't believe you can't buy bigger than an 8mb AWE64 memory upgrade in Oz! If you really can't get one and you want one, mail me off-list and we'll see what we can arrange. Regards, Steve Lauder steve.lauder@elspa.com From ???@??? Wed Jun 24 10:40:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA31128; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 04:52:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 04:52:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002e01bd9f4c$07c00ec0$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: Subject: Re: Desktop Loopaz (AWE 64 Upgrade cost) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:42:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"HbVw42.0.Ka7.QuBar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SORRY - RESEND. My Crap grammar in the first posting meant some parts didn't make sense (well, not to me anyway!) >>> If you don't mind my asking, what did you pay and where did you get the ram? <<< Bearing in mind you only own the value, you will only be able to up the RAM to 24.5mb (AWE64 Gold has 4mb on the card already as opposed to 512k). Look on the Creative Labs European Web Site (www.creaf.com) and you'll see that it costs 125.00 sterling. Not exactly cheap compared to 72 pin simms, but what can you do about it! >>> BTW, how have you been mapping the samples to your midi keyboard? <<< Well, that's why I bought the RAM. I don't know whether it comes bundled with the value pack or not, but I got Vienna 2.1 with my Gold card. Vienna 2.1 is a soundfont editor which, (funnily enough) allows you to build sound font banks. It allows you to map several samples (depending on the amount of memory on the card) to the keyboard and use them on the same instrument patch. You can also play around with envelopes and LFOs in Vienna, and sometimes you can use these facilities to make a good sample sound fantastic! Sampling at 16bit Stereo 44.1khz you can get approx. 2.4 minutes worth of samples onto the soundcards' RAM with a 24mb setup, which I'm sure you'll find to be quite sufficient. The real bonus with this amount of RAM is that you can have 32 or 64 samples (processor dependent) playing at the time. If you're running a pretty average spec PC like myself, that's definitely more than the number of audio tracks available to you in a sequencer. I can't believe you can't buy bigger than an 8mb AWE64 memory upgrade in Oz! If you really can't get one and you want one, mail me off-list and we'll see what we can arrange. Regards, Steve Lauder steve.lauder@elspa.com From ???@??? Wed Jun 24 10:40:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA30651; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 04:46:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 04:46:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "JF. Carter" Message-Id: <199806240843.JAA19800@zeus.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: AHHHRRRGGHH! (again) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:43:36 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <358EB4EE.CF6B2799@vtx.ch> from "c.voit" at Jun 22, 98 09:47:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6t6H41.0.VT7.5pBar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > just for the record > > I just had to resolder the central electrolytic cap that is near the > heat sink > > bad soldering it was > > it made the plex reboot some time for no aparent reason and put the > display in somme very scrambled states > Very similar experience. I had to resolder the mains socket onto the circuit board. Hope this is not a general trend, the EDP is too good a piece of equipment to deserve the kind of bad reputation that come with penny-pinching at the production stage. Jim Carter From ???@??? Wed Jun 24 10:40:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA32379; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 05:14:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 05:14:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3590C103.56336DE6@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:04:03 +0200 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: AHHHRRRGGHH! (again)and again :( References: <199806240843.JAA19800@zeus.bris.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YqPC22.0.0u7.ADCar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com After the resoldering of the electrolitic cap on my plex 1 yesterday something identical happend on my plex Nb2 this time a push on every IC socket cured the problem 2 plexes 2 hardware problems for a 3 month use ( only home use for now) I'll have to rebuild my confidence for a while before daring to use those in stage conditions.... Claude JF. Carter wrote: > > > > > just for the record > > > > I just had to resolder the central electrolytic cap that is near the > > heat sink > > > > bad soldering it was > > > > it made the plex reboot some time for no aparent reason and put the > > display in somme very scrambled states > > > Very similar experience. > I had to resolder the mains socket onto the circuit board. > Hope this is not a general trend, the EDP is too good a piece > of equipment to deserve the kind of bad reputation that come > with penny-pinching at the production stage. > > Jim Carter -- Please correct the reply address by deleting this "----" Veuillez corriger mon adresse pour me rpondre en effaant a "----" From ???@??? Wed Jun 24 10:40:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA10953; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:16:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980624111348.006d1388@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:13:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: RE: Desktop Loopaz(downside) Resent-Message-ID: <"ZrImO2.0.je2.N_Dar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com HI Thomas >The thing is, I have rebirth ,cubase , fruity loops demo and a bunch of other stuf for harddisc/Pc based stuff. My machine is a pentium 200 , 32 Mb RAM. The problem is: It doesn`t work!! the drive is too slow(IDE , not SCSI) >the soundcard (AWE 32) sounds TOO crappy , I have to turn off my monitor before EVERY take due to noise >seeping into my guitar pickups.........At the moment , I can only have 2-3 three tracks of audio MAX......noone knows why.......Im thinkin of abandoning the PC as a medium and move to ADAT(or similar)........this probably sets me back 5 years until im back on my feet , gear wise............. > >Anyways , I`m not tryin`to get you down at all , just warning you that there is more hassle to the PC than manufacturers want you to know about. Me , I went into most of the traps you can imagine......... Consider that if you're ready to invest some money in a top notch Akai sampler, you should ready, on the other side, to invest at least same money on a good PC system. But don't think that you have to go too far: I have a typical home system (for word processing, Internet and some games) that slowly I've converted in to a good and functioning music machine. And I've got no SCSI, simply EIDE, I did thye majority of my work on a (crappy) Awe 64 Gold (Event Gina only from some months) and no other special features. Most of my PC parts were bought before knowing that I could use the computer to make music. So they are really standard products but they work. Yes, it can be an hassle to setup at times, but now my system is far superior to a simple sampler or sequencer or multi FX unit or digital multitrack recorder. You can do a lot of things with a nearly basic setup, and your P200 can do a lot of things if used in the right way. I have a P233 and can get 20-24 tracks with VST. Try changing your HD, find the best drivers for your monitor (or change it if it's shitty) and then increase your Ram. Internet can give you a lot of infos on optimizing your setup. Try PC-daw mailing list. It's huge and informative on HD recording and setup. Ask there and soon you'll have THE perfect music workstation. Keep faith ciao leo PS. e-mail privately for more infos and software suggestions. >Yours , Thomas "slayer of everything not SCSI" W > > > From ???@??? Wed Jun 24 10:40:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA15742; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:29:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:29:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:27:31 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Composed Looping with MAX Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199806240827_MC2-4129-5D2F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="38187a9d-0b5e-11d2-b8f1-00805ffe6ed5" Resent-Message-ID: <"ynL1c1.0.yo3.r3Far"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Roberto, sound interesting, let us know more - thanks Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Andreas Willers/Re- Jamman vs." Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Andreas Willers/Re- Jamman vs." Attachment converted: shards o' data:Andreas Willers/Re- Jamman vs. (????/----) (00001274) From ???@??? Wed Jun 24 10:41:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA18174; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:55:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:55:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3590F859.B717A2DF@polbox.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:00:09 +0200 From: Komay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Desktop Loopaz(downside) References: <01bd9f23$be1411e0$d20a4382@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6d2_L3.0.TP4.bSFar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thomas Whni wrote: > Hey mr. K , I`m sitting here downloading the first song on your site. One thing about your post strikes me; > The place you were a year ago is exactly the place I am now. I`m dreaming of having a sampler and a mixing desk with outboard effects and all the possibilities that offers. > The thing is, I have rebirth ,cubase , fruity loops demo and a bunch of other stuf for harddisc/Pc based stuff. My machine is a pentium 200 , 32 Mb RAM. The problem is: It doesn`t work!! the drive is too slow(IDE , not SCSI) > the soundcard (AWE 32) sounds TOO crappy , I have to turn off my monitor before EVERY take due to noise > seeping into my guitar pickups.........At the moment , I can only have 2-3 three tracks of audio MAX......noone knows why.......Im thinkin of abandoning the PC as a medium and move to ADAT(or similar)........this probably sets me back 5 years until im back on my feet , gear wise............. > > Anyways , I`m not tryin`to get you down at all , just warning you that there is more hassle to the PC than manufacturers want you to know about. Me , I went into most of the traps you can imagine......... > > Yours , Thomas "slayer of everything not SCSI" W > Funny thing is that I have almost the same gear you have:P166MMX,Awe 32, 32MB Ram ,IDE disk and it works for me...I know that it won't work for everyone...but the biggest advantage of PC setup is that you can make music... You really can...and you won't have "If I had a good gear..." excuses any more... Don't get me wrong...I would love to have 50k studio but it's not my goal...I just want to make music...I have what I have and I just love software editing. You are right on that AWE noise problem...I want to buy Turtle Beach Malibu now to avoid it... Yours Komay:) From ???@??? Wed Jun 24 10:41:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA22398; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:36:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:36:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:34:31 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Rocktron MidiMate with Echoplex In-Reply-To: <3590F859.B717A2DF@polbox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"nf6Vj.0.uR5.B3Gar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone have experience of using an Echoplex with a Rocktron MidiMate control pedal? I have a chance to buy a MidiMate at a "good price" and would like to get as many boxes off the floor as possible. Unfortunately I have (next to) no experience of MIDI and need to know how practical it is to use such a device to replace the EFC-7 AND switch patches on my FX and reverb units. help? Jim Carter From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 00:24:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA02267; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:21:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:21:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Dino Cattaneo" To: Subject: Echoplexes in stock! Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:19:42 -0500 Message-Id: <98Jun24.141745cdt.26888@gateway.gibson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"upcVT.0.SW.I6Lar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello everyone. I am Dino, the new product manager from Oberheim. I just want everyone to know that we finally have Echoplexes in stock, so you won't have to wait months to get them. If you can't find them at your favorite dealer, please let me know and I will help you get them. Dino From ???@??? Wed Jun 24 10:41:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA11591; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:30:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:30:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <8525662D.005B78B8.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:39:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Blindfold Tapes (Onofakind) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Acrc63.0.Ip2.JcIar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tape is done, what's your address? ed Hybridco@aol.com on 06/19/98 07:36:21 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Edward Chang/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Blindfold Tapes (Onofakind) hello-Your tape swapping sounds very interesting to me. I would also be interested in doing remixes, having remixes done, and swapping original recordings. Please send me info on how I can get involved. thank you -Brad Towell From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 00:25:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA21904; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:20:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:45:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Vortex Question Resent-Message-ID: <"B62EE.0.hK5.VFRar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dennis wrote: >Does anyone know if Roland's EV-5 expression pedal will operate the >Vortex? >Thanx, Dennis Dennis, You can use it to control the various parameters and to freeze a morph in place if you wish. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 00:25:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA06924; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:13:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:13:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199806250011.RAA16475@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Composed Looping with MAX To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:11:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <358F8E23.3E8E3EB8@csi.com> from "Cummings" at Jun 23, 98 01:14:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qWVOd1.0.wf1.5OPar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Is anybody else out there looping with MAX? > > Ciao, > Rob(erto Batteria) I was for a while. I had my Powerbook (running Max of course) randomly record a phrase incoming from a NoteIn object (my old MIDI guitar) and replay the phrase to a NoteOut object (my Yamaha FB01 synth). I also had some MIDI delay lines. I sold my Powerbook a couple of years ago, though. Maybe I'll get back into it at some point (like when there's a blowout of Apple G3 series Powerbooks after the G4 or whatever gets introduced. :)). Cheers, Paolo From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 00:25:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA09460; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:33:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:33:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35919C46.76BC@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:39:35 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: drum machines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"g9nxd2.0.NG2.vgPar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm thinking about adding some live(midi)drums to my solo looped bass performances.Does anyone have any favorites or suggestions? I'd like it to have a variety of world drum sounds and be able to spontaneously create a drum pattern. Scott Kungha Drengsen http://www.basscapes.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 00:25:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA16420; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:36:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:36:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980625013425.24229.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.242.12.235] From: "Dennis Coggia" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex Question Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:34:25 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"q1Shj3.0.az3.cbQar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know if Roland's EV-5 expression pedal will operate the Vortex? Thanx, Dennis ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 00:25:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA21029; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:14:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:14:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:10:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex Question In-Reply-To: <19980625013425.24229.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Haahs.0.h55.z9Rar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes it does, and you can fine tune the range with the trimmer pot. Stew Benedict On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Dennis Coggia wrote: > Does anyone know if Roland's EV-5 expression pedal will operate the > Vortex? > Thanx, Dennis > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 00:25:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA19546; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:04:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:04:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: siforte@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:06:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: siforte@ix.netcom.com (Sanford Forte) Subject: Re: Composed Looping with MAX Resent-Message-ID: <"AXAaE3.0.Ok4.40Rar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:11 PM 6/24/98, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >I sold my Powerbook a couple of years ago, though. Maybe I'll get back into >it at some point (like when there's a blowout of Apple G3 series Powerbooks >after the G4 or whatever gets introduced. :)). ---- Hi Paolo, We meet in the strangest places. Still doin' Taiji/Xingyi, or whatever? Sanford From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 00:25:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA03387; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:08:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:08:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980625040429.00666390@tiac.net> X-Sender: rphunt@tiac.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:04:29 -0400 To: stick@atlas.earthlink.net, stickwire-l@netcom.com, VinnyG927@aol.com, etnier@studiodual.com, JBKBOUNCE@aol.com, etnier@studiodual.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, malspal@tka.com, rjkoziol@nji.com, rhunt@lr.net From: Reginald Hunt Subject: Elastick Resent-Message-ID: <"3cyUt2.0.Hn.AqSar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My new virtual album ELASTICK is now posted. Features Chapman Stick loops using the Korg DL8000R delay. Please check it out. http://www.tiac.net/users/rphunt Reg From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 00:25:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA05054; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:23:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:23:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980625042048.27829.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.242.12.163] From: "Dennis Coggia" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Right on! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:20:48 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"5C-Gu3.0.5C1.u1Tar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks everyone, I just got a Vortex today and was just playing with it. Lots of fun. There's a EV-5 down the street, I'll get it tomorrow. -later- "Tradition is the illusion of permanence" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 00:26:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA17053; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 02:28:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 02:28:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: drum machines Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:25:51 -0700 Message-ID: <001101bda002$19a897e0$2c1e8ed1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <35919C46.76BC@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"wkeTU1.0.G84.qtUar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The best I found was the Boss Dr. Rhythm. It's got a great variety of sounds, and you can put together custom drum and percussion kits, all the way to "slowing" or "speeding up" each individual instrument, as well as adding reverb or chorus effects to each one. It's really cool. | -----Original Message----- | From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] | Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 5:40 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: drum machines | | | I'm thinking about adding some live(midi)drums to my solo looped | bass performances.Does anyone have any favorites or suggestions? | I'd like it to have a variety of world drum sounds and be able to | spontaneously create a drum pattern. | Scott Kungha Drengsen | http://www.basscapes.com | | From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 10:05:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA10998; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:39:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:39:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <35923D2C.CE4B80AA@csi.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:06:04 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: New Looper Idea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ejSMJ2.0.Ff2.CJaar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just an idea: Wouldn't it be neat to have a fully programmable EDP-type looper/multi-effects unit? By this, I mean a unit the size of the EDP with some sort of a computer interface (Ethernet?). The programming software (PC or Mac?) would object-based (similar to MAX/MSP) and could be configured in various ways. I think more than just looping/delay functions should be available, i.e. various other effects pitch-shifting, vocoder, etc. The completed configurations would be downloaded to the looper via the interface and could be overwritten at will. Advantages: - no need to carry around a PowerBook or whatever - unit would be dedicated and therefore more reliable than said computer - extremely flexible effect combinations possible - complete compositions could be "programmed" and easily performed Hello audio engineers, is this feasible? Or this idea already old hat? Ciao, Rob From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 10:05:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA11908; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:46:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002c01bda037$1b6521e0$c2b854ce@asint.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Digitech XP-300 Space Station Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:45:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"g8Pcw1.0.Zt2.wPaar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is anyone using the Digitech XP-300 to process loops? Is it worth the money? Are its sounds suitably other worldly? Is it sturdy? Is the inability to modify each preset a serious design flaw? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Wed Jun 24 10:41:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA16010; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:31:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:31:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35925DE4.4DE8@flink.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:25:40 -0700 From: James E Williamson Reply-To: erwill@flink.com Organization: JBC Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Chapman Stick For sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yeOHH2.0.xu3.s5Far"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com apologies for being non-loopy, but thought this would be the best place... Chapman Stick #189 dark hardwood $600 or best offer (feel free to make one) will deliver if within 5 hours of Peoria, IL -- James Eric Williamson - erwill@flink.com - erwill@hotmail.com Peoria's ambient prescence From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 10:07:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA26729; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:01:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:01:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:01:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806251501.KAA17111@gatekeeper.derived.com> X-Sender: aaron@gatekeeper.derived.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Aaron Williams Subject: Digitech time machine Resent-Message-ID: <"PJBwQ.0.TU6.FOcar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello out there! I just sent off for a time machine through an on-line contact and was curious if anyone out there could give me more info on what to expect w/ it...Does this unit have a tap-tempo feature? How do you folks pull off you loops and delay's with it? You can e~mail me in private or post to the list if you want. ALSO, I'm needing a manual for this, does anyone have a xerox they could send. much thanks, aaron Aaron Williams ~Mel Bay Publications~ #4 Industrial Drive Pacific MO, 63069 -------------------------------> 1-800-863-5229 ex.26 1-314-257-3970 ex.26 Fax-314-257-5062 http://www.angelfire.com/mo/theamorphousband/index.html From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 10:07:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA28756; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:13:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:13:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <54786558.359268a8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:11:35 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Digitech XP-300 Space Station Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"c7asN.0.j-6.3acar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com <> I tried one in an empty music store for about an hour, and was impressed...it struck me as being a damn good lo-budget take on what the VG-8 does in some of its synth-like presets. What I remember: there are some nice, plinky not-very-guit-like ethnic sounds, and some string pads, and some static-flanging, icy, ringing things, plus a wacked-out reverse-delay mode that I couldn't figure out... <> Of course it is... David Coffin From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 10:07:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA32380; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:41:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:41:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <359270E9.58A4@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:46:49 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Looper Idea References: <35923D2C.CE4B80AA@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n8cVM3.0.7t7.dzcar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com GREAT IDEA!!! From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 10:07:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA04340; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:13:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:13:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003401bda053$e5ed3620$e66703cf@rjiredff> From: "Jonathan Brainin" To: Subject: Re: New Looper Idea Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:11:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"jzKl82.0.c01.bRdar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Just an idea: >Wouldn't it be neat to have a fully programmable EDP-type >looper/multi-effects unit? By this, I mean a unit the size of the EDP >with some sort of a computer interface (Ethernet?). The programming >software (PC or Mac?) would object-based (similar to MAX/MSP) and could >be configured in various ways. I think more than just looping/delay >functions should be available, i.e. various other effects >pitch-shifting, vocoder, etc. The completed configurations would be >downloaded to the looper via the interface and could be overwritten at >will. It's called an Eventide 4000. And it's priced just like a good hign end pc. From ???@??? Fri Jun 26 01:34:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA16351; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:49:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:49:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35927FF1.8FDEADE9@nyfac.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:50:58 +0100 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: record company riskings something, my ass References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OZknF.0.Cy3.sMiar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > In their defense, labels are taking a huge risk when they sign a > band. The vast majority of albums don't sell well. Exactly what is it record companies are risking? What expenses are non-recoupable? Maybe I just have an undue sense of entitlement, or maybe it that I have a day job that is as (dare I say it?) artistically fulfilling (almost, anyway) as the rock, but the way that I see it, record companies are playing craps when they sign a band. If they sign the right bands, they should make money. If not, fuck 'em. More than a few of my bandmates have been somewhat shocked/dismayed/frightened at my attitude towards the biz, but the world would be a better place if most of humanity wasn't so willing to prostrate its self in front of it. Grrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tdb From ???@??? Fri Jun 26 10:00:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA11911; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 05:14:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 05:14:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <35929E50.657A43C5@csi.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:00:32 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Looper Idea References: <199806251212_MC2-5148-50E@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"y6tBd1.0.Xt2.zOsar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Just an idea: > >Wouldn't it be neat to have a fully programmable EDP-type > >looper/multi-effects unit? By this, I mean a unit the size of the EDP > >with some sort of a computer interface (Ethernet?). The programming > >software (PC or Mac?) would object-based (similar to MAX/MSP) and could > >be configured in various ways. I think more than just looping/delay > >functions should be available, i.e. various other effects > >pitch-shifting, vocoder, etc. The completed configurations would be > >downloaded to the looper via the interface and could be overwritten at > >will. > > It's called an Eventide 4000. And it's priced just like a good hign end pc. Sigh ... :-( I'll have to wait until this sort of stuff is available in a mid-price range. Rob From ???@??? Fri Jun 26 01:34:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA06899; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:31:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:31:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3592B402.2439@mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:33:06 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Major Label Deals, the downside (no looping content) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8Fb5M3.0.0f1.yDhar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the article, Travis. I enjoyed reading it. Very enlightening... - Dennis Leas From ???@??? Fri Jun 26 01:34:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA00142; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:40:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:40:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Date: 25 Jun 1998 14:23:57 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: Major Label Deals, the downside (no looping content) To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"buKvc3.0.n-7.VTgar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Recently there was a discussion regarding the merits of self-released recordings versus persuing a recording contract. My local weekly happened to be running this article: ********************************************** The Cold, Hard Truth About Recording Contracts Indentured Servitude by Michael Bertin [Image] llustration by Jason Stout It's a conditioned response. "`We got a good deal,' yeah, everybody says that," affirms Davis McLarty, a local booking agent who has coached many young Austin artists through the process of negotiating recording contracts. "You're not going to walk away going, `Yeah, we got a bad deal.'" Because a recording contract - "a record deal" - remains the brass ring of the music industry, it fairly goes without saying that most musicians never met a record deal they didn't like. It's only natural, as well, that when asked about their contract, these same artists respond just as McLarty posited. Unfortunately, there's no such thing as a "good record deal." The numbers are so stacked against the people making the music that, as recent Atlantic Records signee David Garza noted, "It only works for the artist if more than a million copies are sold. Period." The obvious problem with that, of course, is that of the approximate 30,000 albums released every year, less than one percent go platinum (certified sales of one million), meaning there are very few recording artists for whom the record deal is actually working. This problem is further compounded by the fact that very few musicians know what their record contract actually says. Which is quite understandable; the average Egyptologist had a better shot at deciphering hieroglyphics before the discovery of the Rosetta Stone than the average musician today has of making heads or tails out of their recording contract. This turns out to be, perhaps, the worst problem of all since those pages upon pages of tediously rigid terminology, obscure even to the legally trained, hold the financial fate of an artist. "When people bring their little record deals to me, they're always just stunned," says Cindi Lazzari, an Austin entertainment lawyer who has worked deals for local artists such as Eric Johnson, Charlie Robison, and Chris Duarte. "They're kids and they don't know. [They say], `I can never afford a lawyer, I'm just going to sign it, because this is what they do.' So they sign it, and then they're screwed forever - or at least for a long time." Suppose you do sign a deal. Sometime thereafter you will go into the studio and make an album, the label will then release it, and if all goes well, people will go to record stores and start buying it. Once that happens, money should start trickling in via two different revenue streams The first source of revenue comes through artist royalties - what the band, singer, or whoever's name is on the CD spine gets for the performance on the recording. Royalties are often referred to as the "artist share," and that's a bit of a misnomer, because "share" isn't really an accurate description of how things get divided up, according to Ron Byrd of local band Prescott Curlywolf. "The terms for a record deal are not good," he grumbles. In recording contracts, artist royalties are negotiated in "points." When industry people use that locution - "We'll give you 15 points" - they're referring to the percentage points they pay an artist on each album sold. If a band gets 15 points that means it gets 15 percent of the retail cost of each album. Artist share is generally going to be in the vicinity of 15 points - occasionally more, usually less. Rob Bernard, also of Prescott Curlywolf (and the Damnations), recalls that P-Wolf got 13 points in their deal with Mercury Records. Like most facets of a recording contract, this is negotiable; if there's interest from multiple labels, a band can use that to try and leverage a greater artist share. Jason McMaster of the now defunct Austin metal outfit Dangerous Toys claims that so many labels were interested in his band once upon a time (circa 1988), they swung 15 points in their deal with Columbia. That royalty rate, however, will be "all in." That means that if anyone else is getting points, say a producer, they will be paid out of the artist's share. In other words, if an artist who negotiated 15 points for themselves scores a big-name producer that commands a two-point fee, those two points are subtracted from the artist's share, leaving them with only 13 points. Think about that for a moment. The musician who makes the damn album in the first place is doing well to get 15 percent of the take. It's axiomatic that the creative element in any endeavor is typically paid only slightly better than the interns, and yet the recording industry has many other ways of further reducing the artists' actual take and leaving them in something akin to indentured servitude - a term that just about everybody in the know on record deals uses to describe the situation. First, almost all major label contracts stipulate that an artist be paid royalties on only 85 percent of the albums sold. This is actually a remnant deduction left over from the earliest days of vinyl. Occasionally said petroleum product would break during shipment. Since retailers couldn't sell broken records, the record companies decided not to pay royalties on them either. As a result, a 10 percent breakage factor became customary. Today, even though CDs generally don't break during shipment, the deduction has not only stayed, it's increased. So, for seemingly no reason other than they can, record companies are not going to pay you for every album you sell. Moreover, a typical contract will also have a free goods deduction, reading something like "two shipped free for every 10." This is more entrenched language, like the damaged goods deduction; per an agreement through labels and distributors, record companies used to put two free records in every box of 10 shipped. Distributors got 12 records, but they only paid for 10, while artists only got royalties on the 10 that were paid for. It's a record contract fixture even though today most major labels are their own distributors. This means that with the free goods deduction, record companies are giving themselves two CDs gratis so they can avoid paying artist royalties on them. Finally, there's what's called a packaging deduction; artwork, insert booklets, jewel boxes, and shrink wrap all cost money, and the labels don't want to pay artist royalties on those expenses, so they don't. Typically, labels deduct a whopping 25 percent off the retail price of a CD for the costs of packaging it. Again, royalty rates are generally paid on the list price, so with the packaging deduction alone, a recording artist can lose a full quarter of his "artist share." The massive deduction is something akin to theft. "The fact is that it's a total myth," Lazzari admits. "Packaging doesn't cost them that much." Free goods? Packaging deductions? How do record companies get away with depriving artists of a sizable portion of the money due them? Fastball guitarist Miles Zuniga explains: "That, my friend, is what's called the industry standard. When you ask your attorney to take those out [of the contract], he will say, `Well it's an industry standard,' meaning standard for you but not for Madonna. In this way, record companies can screw new artists and not have to worry about it because everybody does it. As you become Madonna, you can renegotiate and have these things taken out." What on the surface looks like a bad deal for artists - having their small share nickel and dimed even more - is actually worse than it seems. It's so bad that McLarty warns young bands right up front. "I always tell bands you're not going to make money off of artist royalties on a major label, nobody does. Nobody does." Why? Because there are all kinds of costs associated with being on a label and making records, and those costs are recoupable. In label lingo, "recoupable" simply means that the record company wants that money back. Not only do they want it back, but the artist is going to have to pay for it out of their share - those piddley 15 points less all the other percentage deductions - before seeing any cash themselves. As Dangerous Toys' McMaster attests, those recoupable costs add up fast. "We got out of having to pay back about $1 million," admits McMaster. "It's pretty amazing to even be able to say that shit, but the stuff happens. The money exchanges hands like people change underwear. " Among recoupable costs is the advance. That's the money an artist gets for signing with a label. Advances have a tremendous range - maybe as low as $30,000 for an artist that signs without much fanfare to $250,000 or better for bands caught up in a bidding war. In fact, in a bidding war, things can get downright out of hand. Radish, that kid grunge band from Dallas that sold approximately nothing, is rumored to have received around $800,000 for signing with Mercury. If you're really hot property, however, you may get a signing bonus. This is not recoupable. This is free money - money for you to spend as you wish and not have to worry about paying back. Woo hoo! Almost nobody get this (D'oh!), although word has it that Kacy Crowley's advance from Atlantic Records was actually a bonus of this kind. Typically, advance money will be what an artist uses to pay for recording their album - as well as covering living expenses. Even though all this money is recoupable, however, what you don't spend in the studio you can put in your pocket. And you will need it, too, because it's hard to keep your day job at Quack's when you're in a recording studio in Los Angeles. And videos! That's recoupable money as well. And like anything else in the music business, costs can quickly get out of hand. As a self-described hippie without a perm during his Dangerous Toys hey-day, McMaster was somewhat bewildered when the band showed up to do its first video and saw a make-up artist and stylist on the set and on the payroll - their payroll. "Those people were there to make us look good. I understand that," says McMaster. "But out of control is out of control. It would have been nice to go, `We don't need this, we don't need this, we don't need this. And we don't need this.' But I'm in Texas getting on a plane to go out there and start shooting a video. I show up and all of the shit i s there already. It's not in my hands. We spent $80,000 on the video. It was fucking stupid. You can make a great video for under $2,000. It's silly." A decade later things haven't changed much. Abra Moore's video for "Four Leaf Clover," the one of her in front of that foresty backdrop (or is it an actual forest?), cost nearly $100,000 to make, and wow, it doesn't look like wardrobe was a huge expense. Also recoupable is tour support. For its debut, Make Your Mama Proud, Fastball got $100,000 from their label Hollywood Records to help cover costs on the road. "That may seem like a huge sum," notes Zuniga, "but that paid for almost a year of touring and when you think about it, that's the catering budget on Dumbo Drop 2, so for Hollywood and [its owner] Disney, it was no big deal." What may be no big deal to Disney, though, results in huge amounts of red ink for artists. Between recording budgets and tour support for its first two albums, Fastball racked up a debt to Hollywood Records of almost $500,000. And that's not all; labels charge back to the artist anything they can get away with. McMaster, for instance, says he was being entertained by Columbia at his own expense. "Every time they want to take you out and spend money on your band - take you out to dinner, bars, whatever - that's your money they're spending," he explains. "Here you go, five guys and you bring your friends or your girlfriends, and you're spending up to $1,500 on dinner and drinks and entertainment." Worse still, Dangerous Toys was completely unaware they were paying for it until they saw the charges on accounting statements months later. In their defense, labels are taking a huge risk when they sign a band. The vast majority of albums don't sell well. In 1995, SoundScan reported sales of over 146,724 titles, 91 percent of which sold less than 5,000 copies. Granted, this is a little misleading, because it includes all albums, even those catalogue nuggets like Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. It's only a little misleading, though. That year the average major label release sold only 9,134 copies. Huge risks generally merit large returns, but there are aspects of recording contracts that go beyond the bounds of a reasonable return on an investment. When Austin's Spoon was negotiating its contract with Elektra Records, Britt Daniel discovered that he wouldn't even be able to own the very albums he would be making and paying for out of his royalties. According to Daniel: "We told our lawyer that we wanted to own our own masters and he was like, `Okay, when the Easter bunny gets through blowing Santa Claus then what else do you want?' The fact that they give you an advance which you have to pay back to them, but you don't own your masters - that's completely bullshit. I don't know of any job where you have to pay back your own work expenses, because an advance is theoretically what they are giving you to make the product." Since the band was shopping finished product, Spoon ultimately licensed its current album, A Series of Sneaks, to Elektra. After this one, however, they will all be owned by the label. There are exceptions to this rule, of course. If the label has dropped you, deleted your catalogue, and has no future plans to do anything whatsoever with your music, then you're just taking up valuable vault space. For that reason, Prescott Curlywolf was able to get the masters from its major label debut, 6ix Ways to Sunday, back from Mercury. According to Bernard, once the above factors were in place, the rest wasn't too much of an ordeal. "We had our lawyer basically go in and plead our case and they were happy to do it," says Bernard. "It wasn't going to make them any money, not in their plan, so I don't think they saw any harm in letting it go." So, what does the record company do for you? Its end of the bargain comes in the form of an agreement to manufacture, distribute, and promote the product - your album. Of course, there's no guarantee that the label will even do the latter. Bernard estimates that Mercury's total promotional expenditures on 6ix Ways to Sunday was $400. He guesses that was spent on some posters he saw at the venues the band played during its sole, one-week tour. "We didn't even consider, `Well shit, they don't have to promote you,'" admits Bernard. "They can sign you, but they don't have to promote you. Only after did we become aware of the evil truth that major labels just buy up acts to keep them off the market. That's the truth of the matter. They want to keep the market free and clear so they can push their big money makers." Yes, the record industry could crush Mr. Rogers' spirit, but surprisingly, things aren't completely hopeless. Despite the fact that the terms of most recording contracts are generally not very artist-friendly, you can make money. Fastball's Zuniga estimates that the $500,000 debt his band racked up will be paid in full by the end of July. Claims the guitarist: "If you have a hit single, everybody wants to play ball with you, and the money starts flowing in from several different rivers: record sales, publishing, live gigs, merchandising, etc." Being on the radio makes getting paid elsewhere a little easier, but even without a hit there are ways to make a living making music for a record company. Remember, there are two sources from which the money flows; royalties are one, the other is through songwriting mechanical license fees - "mechanicals" in industry lingo. Mechanicals are what the songwriter and the publisher get paid for the writing of the song, with the current rate hovering around seven cents per song per CD sold. Don't think that record companies don't want that, too. They do. They will often not pay the full seven cents per song rate, nor will they always pay on every song on an album. Nonetheless, there are fortunes to be made in songwriting royalties and an artist on a major label can sell all or part of their publishing for very good money. Zuniga and Fastball sold their publishing a few weeks ago for a huge sum. Also, the money from mechanicals is generally not cross-collateralized. This means that, assuming a band or the members thereof wrote the material performed on the album, any money due them for songwriting will not be withheld to pay back all of the recoupable costs like the record royalties are. No matter how much you owe the label, you get paid your mechanicals if you wrote the song. Publishing gets very tricky very quickly, but an artist who takes the time to understand it and manages his share of it wisely can make out well. If, however, you don't write your own material, then you're back in the familiar it-ain't-going-to-work-for-you-unless-you-sell-a-million-albums camp. Whatever the case, it generally boils down to this: As long as artists are cognizant of the fact that most major label recording contracts favor the company with little or no regard for the creative force behind the whole endeavor, they can still play the game one of two ways and maybe come out ahead. First, there's the take-all-you-can-get-up-front tactic. Try to negotiate a huge advance, and sell off part of your publishing. Exploit any leverage you might have. Even though Prescott got dropped by Mercury after one album, which sold less than 5,000 units, they still pocketed money because they got such a big check up front. "We made out like bandits," says Ron Byrd. "We each probably made $20,000." The band actually got $225,000 from the label. From that, $75,000 went to buying out the band's contract with local indie Doolittle Records, while another $70,000 went into making 6ix Ways to Sunday. The rest was money in their pockets. Of course, they're still in the hole to Mercury for $200,000, but because they were dropped, they don't have to worry about paying any of it back. The other strategy is to keep costs down. That way, even if you're not a huge hit the first time up, it's not going to cost the label much to give you another attempt at bat. Hollywood didn't promote Fastball's first album much, so Zuniga acknowledges "it didn't cost them that much to keep us around." He credits that and having a few key people at the label who believed in them with allowing the band to make the now-gold album (sales of 500,000) All the Pain Money Can Buy. As it turns out, there's actually a third strategy: Don't sign with a major label at all. Unfortunately, there's a perverse logic whereby musicians and fans alike infer that because independent labels are "cool" indie record deals are "cool," too. The truth of the matter is, however, that a lot of indie labels pattern their deals after what the majors do. There are some indie labels that have taken a major label contract, changed the names, and used it as their "standard agreement." In fact, indie deals can be as bad or even worse than those set up by the majors. As dismal as Prescott Curlywolf's experience with Mercury was, the band was already quite unhappy with its deal with Doolittle, and viewed its signing with Mercury as a way to get them off Doolittle. For its latest release, Funanimal World, Prescott Curlywolf settled on another Austin indie, Freedom Records, a label where the arrangement is unlike anything else in the business. After label owner Matt Eskey recoups his costs, he splits everything 50-50 with the artist. "He's 100% artist friendly." says Byrd, "We don't even have anything on paper with him." Of course you can always not sign with anybody. David Garza made nine records by himself before inking his deal with Atlantic, and he's completely content with the Ani DiFranco-esque course he took. "Most bands sign too early in their career," says Garza. "I thank God every day I didn't sign in 1991. I can't imagine it. I was nowhere near ready. I would have been thinking, `Okay, here's our big record deal, so now I'm going to make a lot of money.' That's not what happens when you get signed." Because he had a career under his belt before negotiating with Atlantic, Garza brought a lot to the table and as a result got what he called "an incredible deal" with the label. But remember, everybody gets an incredible deal, or at least everybody says they do - or better yet, think they do. How can any deal that doesn't make you money until you're threatening to go platinum be that good? It isn't. Obviously, the terms of most major label recording contracts are such that a crummy deal isn't even in the numbers. McLarty explains: "In my mind a good deal is finding people at a record company who really dig what you're band is doing and really want to work hard to make the band a success. You have to factor that in to whether you got a good deal. The numbers are going to suck no matter how you look at it. That's just the way it is." From ???@??? Fri Jun 26 01:34:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA22944; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:42:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:42:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199806252231.PAA28226@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Time Machine manual/tap tempo capability Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 17:33:25 -0600 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"D1b-O3.0.ka5.39jar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I just sent off for a time machine through an on-line contact and was >curious if anyone out there could give me more info on what to expect w/ >it...Does this unit have a tap-tempo feature? How do you folks pull off you >loops and delay's with it? You can e~mail me in private or post to the list >if you want. ALSO, I'm needing a manual for this, does anyone have a xerox >they could send. The 7.6 second Time Machine doesn't have tap tempo, but can derive loop length from a control voltage jack in the back. For looping purposes, it's just a long digital delay with a sample/hold feature. Digitech charges $5 for reprints of the manual. They're supposed to be posting them all online real soon now, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I received one from them a while ago. Anyone who wants a xerox copy of the manual can contact me privately with their snail-mail address. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Jun 26 01:35:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA29293; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:06:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:06:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:04:24 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Major Label Deals, the downside (no looping content) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"aBR_P.0.m37.cmoar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, another article for those interested (if you can find it*) is in an issue of the punk zine MaximumRocknRoll - it's an issue basically devoted to the record BUSINESS, the cover showing a close up of someone with a gun in their mouth and the tag line "Some of your freinds are already this fucked". They break down not only similar stats to the article this message is in reply to (how's THAT for garbled syntax?), it also includes articles about the incestuous nature of distributor ship, the increasing fact that fewer and fewer companies actually own all the larger labels, and an amazing piece of accounting from Steve Albini about how a baby band that sells 750,000 albums for a label still ends up making less in a year than the stock boy at the local A&P. Chilling shit, isn't it? - Bill Crossedout@aol.com *if anybody is interested in a copy via e-mail of the articles, once I find them (I'm packing up and moving tomorrow, across country) I'll be happy to scan and forward them. From ???@??? Fri Jun 26 01:35:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA06462; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 03:48:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 03:48:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980626074546.006fd8f4@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:45:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: WEB page Resent-Message-ID: <"4Q1KH1.0.LY1.f8rar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hy guys if you have 2 minutes could you check if my attempt to build my WWW pages is nearly OK? Above all I'd like to know if Real Audio streaming is functioning. I've just uploaded some songs from my main project Radioraheem. thanks ciao leo http://members.xoom.com/Cavallo/index.html From ???@??? Fri Jun 26 10:00:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA05900; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:02:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:02:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35936406.EF021955@nyfac.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:04:06 +0100 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: record company riskings something, my ass References: <174A69422993D111A13C00805FFE51B40282CA@sjc-msg-01.dns.microsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tVjHs1.0.PP1.1dwar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tom Attix wrote: > Well, if you print 10,000 CD's and none of them sell. That would be a loss, > I believe. Why would they print 10,000 CDs of a band whose sales performance is unknown? And How much of that cost would they try to recoup from the band? > Your "if they sign the right band" statement indicates to me that > you have probably never been involved in any high-risk investment > situations. I don't plan to either, unless it's on a thursday night poker game and I have an inside straight. Don't get me started on the whole high risk investment thing either. To put it simply, I have skills, and can produce things that are either worthwhile, or at least desired. I have no desire to join a parasitic class of money handlers who contribute little to the enconomy, risk money they borroowed from me (and you!) gamble with it, lose it (but keep their commision), which we then have the pleasure of paying back. Doesn't seem like such a gamble to me. Only the middle class gambles. After all, they can only play with their own money. Michael Milliken anyone? S&L crisis? > People who have money aren't likely to let go of it unless > there's a more than reasonable chance that they will at least get it back > and preferably with interest. That's why they have money in the first place. Finance is a skill, like any other. Efficency is a good thing, waste is bad, one should invest one's money wisely, etc., etc., etc. But I would sooner borrow money from a loan shark to start my own record label than sign with one of your high risk investors. The loan shark has more integrity. And who are these record company people? Well, other than the top execs, a lot of them are ex-musicians (especially A&R people)! It seems we're a bunch of selfhaters... Hey! I have friends who do A&R. 'Course, they are both musicians.... tdb From ???@??? Fri Jun 26 11:07:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA31276; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:18:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:18:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3593D868.56BA4513@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:20:40 -0400 From: Jeff & Mary Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Video looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wbURW1.0.4b7.MUzar"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey ya'll, I have enjoyed the recent ideas on live and improv.looping so I thought that I would add my 2 cents (literally). In keeping with the spirit of Ed Chang (thanks Ed) I have posted the first of a weekly live jam session in Real Video.Hopefully eventually We will be able to do this mess live,but for now we will post a clip every Sunday eve recorded live at the Lab with video procceseing and various instuments by my long time friend and band mate and now son-in-law Mike Brown.Any comment would be greatly appreciated. bye for now, Jeff Duke TecBabLabs http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index.html From ???@??? Sat Jun 27 03:12:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA03582; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:28:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:28:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <35940B95.F93C7DD3@csi.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:59:01 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: record company riskings something, my ass References: <199806261103_MC2-515D-A888@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UOn5u2.0.Kr.N12br"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com JP wrote: > It been my experience that "wolves" and "sheep" just keep wearing > different clothing. > There are clearly some wolves you can live with ...others who will > kill ya or eat your arm off. Ow. What about the wolves who are disguised as sheep? ;-) Ciao, Rob From ???@??? Sat Jun 27 03:13:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA11459; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:45:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:45:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <131707ce.35948694@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:43:47 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: record company riskings something, my ass Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"bY2UB2.0.0m2.aR8br"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com kim et al.- seems like the old bug-a boo of not getting all the posts is happening again. i am seeing quotes that i have never read before. just want to alert you to this. hope im not the only one, im paranoid enuf :)................michael From ???@??? Sat Jun 27 04:31:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA01497; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 06:46:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 06:46:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3594CE38.FB494A7@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 06:49:28 -0400 From: Jeff & Mary Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: record company riskings something, my ass References: <131707ce.35948694@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"54W4T3.0.VL.UrCbr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is the first message that I have received from the list since Friday morning with the exception of the one that I sent. Have I missed some? Anybody. Jeff ------------------------------------------------ New video looping at the lab! http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index.html ------------------------------------------------ Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > kim et al.- seems like the old bug-a boo of not getting all the posts is > happening again. i am seeing quotes that i have never read before. just want > to alert you to this. hope im not the only one, im paranoid enuf > :)................michael From ???@??? Sat Jun 27 17:10:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA03624; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:39:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:39:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3594CE38.FB494A7@bellsouth.net> References: <131707ce.35948694@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 04:36:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: record company riskings something, my ass Resent-Message-ID: <"EsONV3.0.gs.ycDbr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes, sorry about the problems. trying to get it fixed. BTW, you accomplish more directing problems you see directly to me rather than posting to the list. i read my own mail long before I check here. thanks, kim >This is the first message that I have received from the list since Friday >morning with the exception of the one that I sent. Have I missed some? >Anybody. >Jeff >------------------------------------------------ >New video looping at the lab! >http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index.html >------------------------------------------------ >Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >> kim et al.- seems like the old bug-a boo of not getting all the posts is >> happening again. i am seeing quotes that i have never read before. just want >> to alert you to this. hope im not the only one, im paranoid enuf >> :)................michael ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 27 17:10:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA11033; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:42:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:42:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:40:35 -0400 (EDT) From: David Talento X-Sender: legion@unix01 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: drum machines In-Reply-To: <35919C46.76BC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"rM8MQ2.0.rf2.3QFbr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, scott kungha drengsen wrote: > I'm thinking about adding some live(midi)drums to my solo looped > bass performances.Does anyone have any favorites or suggestions? I'm real late in replying to this but there is an incredible web page dedicated to the live electronic drummer. Pics, info,and profiles on Edrummers as well as gear and such: http://www.harmony-central.com/Drums/EDW/ (NOTE: The URL just recently moved so this is the correct one) not sure if there's anying on looping but they do have some info on a guy named Bruford i think... :) personally I like to make percussion sounds with the bass itself (String scrapes, pops, slaps) when doing a solo bass show. An obie EP or even a digitech PDS1002 (What I've used) can do wonders with such nonsense. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From ???@??? Sun Jun 28 12:57:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA23963; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:49:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:49:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199806281848.OAA04038@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Blindfold Tapes (Onofakind) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:44:58 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MV9n_2.0.Xp5.N0fbr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'd like a oneofakind tape!!! i'll swap ya ! send to andre' cholmondeley po box 138 red bank nj 07701 let me know how long to make a tape - and where to send!!! ps - we'll be at the knitting factory/alterknit on thu july 30 see ya andre' my no frills site http://www.monmouth.com/~andre Info on my bands JFK's LSD UFO and HIDDEN AGENDA official PROJECT/OBJECT site http://www.jswd.net/projectobject [frank zappa tribute band i play guitar in] ---------- > From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com > To: phiba-improv@wnur.nwu.edu; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Blindfold Tapes (Onofakind) > Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 5:10 PM > > I've gotten some private emails about tape swapping instead of $. I should > have thought of that! Yeah, that's totally cool - send me your addresses > and I'll start recording early next week. > > Robert S also had a great idea of remixing whatever tape I sent to him and > sending That back to me . That works, too, in fact, even better on a > conceptual level for me. > > From ???@??? Mon Jun 29 10:29:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA03597; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:37:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:37:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3596E275.22CD1D29@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:40:22 -0400 From: Jeff & Mary Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: One-of-a-Kind Musik Artifakts References: <85256627.006FFA79.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bXZYd1.0.sr.e6kbr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com wrote: > Last night I got this crazy idea. You know how Eric Dolphy said, "music - > once it's out there, it's gone forever" or something like that ("Last > Date"). Well of course you can record it and put it out anybody who looks > for it can hear it. Well I got this crazy (sure to be regrettable) idea > which goes like this: > Thanks again Ed, we have now posted a new recorded live video and a 12 min audio track, check them out when ya'll get a chance. Jeff ----------------------------------------------- tbl - live improv audio and video http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index.html ------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Mon Jun 29 10:31:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA28342; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:35:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:35:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0462AB1@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Major Label Deals, the downside (no looping content) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:32:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"a4Bxw2.0.bt6.c8ybr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Originally, this ended up in Cyberia . . . (at least I think so) If you saw it, sorry delete it! > WOWIE, > > Good article > > From my point of view the only things that this article forgot to mention > were: [1] the fact that the lawyers who cut the deals make out really > well; [2] if you have a production deal with a producer, they make out > really well; [3] it didn't mention the amount of artistic pressure that > can be brought to bear on a band. > > Having "been through" a major label deal I would say that the biggest > mistake "my" band made was to actively pursue the carrots-on-sticks that > were inticting us along our way - - we should've gone on to do the indie > EP that we had planned to do, but the idea of "fame" and the "cachet" > that a MAJOR LABEL DEAL holds was a little too much for (some of) our weak > consititutions. > > In terms of lawyers (nothing against 'em, these are just the facts mam): > the BIG entertainment lawyers- - the ones that are supposed to get you the > "good" deal - - make anywhere from $200-300 an hour (this is dated circa > 1990, so it's gotta be more now), and they charge for every little thing > too; copying, phone calls, you name it. We had one deal that fell through > and then got one with "our" label. A good chunk of change from our advance > went to pay the lawyers involved (maybe 40%?). BIG MONEY (at least for > us). > > Producers get pretty big bucks (more than you ) AND can IMHO screw up your > record (they just go on to the next one while you're left holding the bag > - - the CD has your name on it, that better be important to you). > > We were told all along (and we listened !?! - - doh) "We just love the > integrity of your music, blah, blah, blah." Of course it later became "We > love your integrity, BUT we really need a hit single" . . . which later > became "We love your integrity, BUT we really need a hit single . . . and > we want to pull the album and cut some more sides" . . . all along they > KNEW that we weren't that type of band. > > > RE Publishing: Someone always wants to give you something for it (at least > at first); Springsteen didn't do it, etc. > > Story: Our A&R guy was the guy who signed Soundgarden to A&M. We asked him > about how they dealt with the publishing scenario. He said that they > didn't sell it, BUT that they were "living with their parents" and "eating > government cheese" (true?) . . . this was somewhere around the time of > Badmotorfinger (I think right after it had come out). > > 'Nother one: Legendarily, Axl Rose et al were still living on the streets > in Hollywood a year after Appetite for Destruction came out and was making > them "millionaires" . . . the money hadn't quite started to reach them > yet - - and THEY were successful! > > > I have a lot of respect for people who can weather the major label storm - > - I certainly couldn't. However, I would say that I wouldn't suggest it if > your emotional and musical well-being are valued parts of your > conciousness. > > Sorry if this is too long and uniteresting (delete!) > > stig > > From ???@??? Mon Jun 29 13:57:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA23418; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:00:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:00:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980629150120.006925b8@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:01:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: RE: Major Label Deals, the downside (no looping content) In-Reply-To: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0462AB1@migarexch01.maritz. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xIz1p3.0.Kg5.r8_br"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bertholdt Brecht, Kurt Weill and Walter Benjamin have described what it's really about in their writings. Defining the problem as these big companies or this poor hit or poor me, the big guys are going to screw everyone over, is not the issue. If you did know what it was, I daresay this thread would've ended long ago. From ???@??? Mon Jun 29 13:57:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA27664; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:28:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:28:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0462AB5@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Major Label Deals, the downside (no looping content) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:26:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"jsGJ22.0.Hj6.aZ_br"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Bertholdt Brecht, Kurt Weill and Walter Benjamin have described what it's > really about in their writings. > Nutshell please? > Defining the problem as these big > companies or this poor hit or poor me, the big guys are going to screw > everyone over, is not the issue. If you did know what it was, I daresay > this thread would've ended long ago. > Ellucidate > > > > From ???@??? Mon Jun 29 16:29:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA06729; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:59:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:59:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35980ECC.1111040E@intcpi.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:01:48 -0400 From: "John Price" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Major Label Deals, the downside (no looping content) References: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0462AB5@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lA9KG1.0.Xc1.gu0cr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Im not assuming to know what weil meant, but i say - Know for sure if the Biz is the game you wanna play, If so then Change the rules of the game and know just exacltly what it is your game is gonna be !! Jeeesh !!! too much emphasis on the "old dirty and rotten scoundrels" of the music biz slant...Yawn, big zzzzzzzzzzzz & so what ??? Commisuration means nothing other than sharing the air it takes to complain or rant bout somethin, ya know ??? Actions and or solid business planning are just as essential as any practice or knowledge of theory or performance dynamics and technical prowess. I've always argued you need to have the business side down 1st b4 u can even begin to think of having anything resembling a career in da bizness. Its not rocket science to figure out the Biz ( Its a rude but quite necessary awakening ) and it aint gonna hurt ya to have it clear in your mind or moreover in the minds of the folk you'd be interacting with day in and out as a band or project as to what the plans and means of operations and support are gonna flow like in effect for long term and short term goals/financial/career planning. God i sound like a career counselor here... Dont ya think its more appropriate and valuable to think along the lines of how do you proceed as a dedicated musician artist or whatever label you choose to hang on yourself knowing that the world is never gonna make things easy for you as opposed to the ranting diatribes directed at how integrity must persevere. Integreity always comes in many flavors, shapes and sizes but its truly authentic and admirable when its put into action beyond speculation and overly inflated verbiage. Accept it as a given that things aint gonna move your way unless u adapt to or change the rules of a volatile market u didnt create or cant even win in on its own terms. Otherwise, the best alternative I'd recommend is that a person stay in annonymity and be happy to do what ya do when ya have moments free and the inspiration to boot. It is rewarding and no less noble than having your reign of things on an idie or major label. Doesn't it make more sense to focus your energies into alternatives or cooptization of circumstances, competition and or financing, business practices & distribution ??? Doing homework on other companies or potential partners is mega essential ( getting credit ratings/D&B reports, Tax ID#'s client references, etc.) are things that can help folk connect with partners that will perhaps complement the direction ya want and need for your career to take off beyond the neighborhood cafe or PC. Why hasnt anyone other than 1 person ( Leo, I think ) presented ideas that relate to how u can get your groove on while still swimming wid da sharks ??? With all the technophobes here Im surprised that no one has addressed these issues with a tech savvy solution. I recently thought back to an article I read a while back in hotwired that brian wilson realeased his new album to select radio stations by using liquid audio and having the stations burn their own CD's...My memory is sketchy about all the details and im sure there are legitimate questions about piracy and royalty tracking in this procedure but it fascinated me and got me thinking about realistic alternatives to the packaging and distribution dilemas ive been caught up in & around in the past. Last, there are no gurantees in anything creative, Theres lots of BS People who speak in forked tongues and deal in dirty or stolen currencies. Al in all Da biz is just a # of exchanges of energy that are going to either help you, hinder you, crush you or maybe enlighten you to either the yin or yang of existence. Regards, JP Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > > Bertholdt Brecht, Kurt Weill and Walter Benjamin have described what it's > > really about in their writings. > > > Nutshell please? > > > Defining the problem as these big > > companies or this poor hit or poor me, the big guys are going to screw > > everyone over, is not the issue. If you did know what it was, I daresay > > this thread would've ended long ago. > > > Ellucidate > > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Mon Jun 29 16:29:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA09866; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:26:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:26:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0462AB8@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Major Label Deals, the downside (no looping content) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:24:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"-KxUm2.0.8N2.hH1cr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John Price and Matthew Hahn Actually I have no problems with anything that you have to say. In fact, I believe that it says, in a more analytical way, what I was attempting (and I realize my shortcomings on this) to say in a more or less anecdotal way. (Part of the anecdote was to try and give some insight into how some of the money things might work . . . where some of it goes, etc.) Just trying to give support to the idea of DIY, I think that one WILL be happier doing that. (IMHO) Since my experience, I have opted to do exactly as you have proposed . . . in fact I realized that this was going to be my path towards the end of my little trip through the business world. I'm doing what I want to on (pretty much) my own terms. Again, I have a lot of respect for those who can figure out how to deal with creativity and the "major" business end. I certainly couldn't. Technophiles, not technophobes. Still would like to know what Weill et al say on the matter. s.l. From ???@??? Mon Jun 29 16:29:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA13786; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:54:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:54:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:47:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000F504F.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: [2998] Major Lapel Decals... >>> Loop-Philes INDEED! To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , "Liebig; Steuart A." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"sHidb3.0.BK3.Ei1cr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Give us more of that Weill, Castaneda and Alan Watts... Forget the bizz and remember your original search for the big loop! Don't forget to fuzz and distort it Yoda! I did my bit with the "industry" as well and, almost from the beginning, it was not for me. It's funny how far you can be dragged along by your friends and colluders! 8-> I've since limited myself to self-initiated solo stuff as well as tiny hit and run improv situations and what a difference. I feel like I actually sound like myself!!!. Now I'm just going to try to do more of *that* to extend my horizons. -miko Subject: RE: Major Label Deals, the downside (no looping content) Author: "Liebig; Steuart A." at INTERNET Date: 6/29/98 5:24 PM ...I'm doing what I want to on (pretty much) my own terms. Again, I have a lot of respect for those who can figure out how to deal with creativity and the "major" business end. I certainly couldn't. Technophiles, not technophobes. Still would like to know what Weill et al say on the matter. s.l. From ???@??? Tue Jun 30 10:20:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA19726; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:04:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:04:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:28:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Independent aire or manner 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"6mviw1.0.ln4.rNCcr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know how many of you know about this great little on line distributor called Rioux's records. They have a great selection of the various types of electronic music and good prices. And word just in is that they now accept credit cards. A nice person to buy music from and for all of us aspiring independents, some one to work with who's not been jaded by the industry. E-mail Rioux's for further information. >Second update installment of independently released ambient >(in one form or another). >Each of these discs come recommended by us here...as well as the artists >who have sent them to us. Did I happen to mention that we can now accept >Visa and Mastercard? > >RICHARD BONE - The Eternal Now CD (Quickworks Lab) $10.00 > Most recently featured on the "the other world" comp. on > Hypnos, this is a recording from Bone that precedes that inclusion. > It effectively merges ambient's tranquil states with > a foreboding solemness that seems to delicately > drape these recordings. > >FINGERPAINT - Primary Colors : Blue CD (Fingerpaint Records) $10.00 > Now Available from Fingerpaint Records is the long awaited first >CD release >from > FingerPaint, Primary Colors: BLUE. Ths 72 minute release is the >first of a > box set featuring FingerPaint's dark and dreamy aural >interpretations of > Blue. FingerPaint continues to explore the edges of live looping >techniques > and textural improvisations, producing a music that is cinematic >in scope. > >JEFF GREINKE - Places of Motility CD (Hypnos) $12.50 > ...an underground ambient classic rediscovered . . . > Places of Motility is Jeff Greinke's last remaining early LP to >see release > on compact disc. This "special edition" re-release was digitally > remastered by Mike Griffin and Jeff Greinke, and in addition to >the twelve > tracks from the original LP, includes three otherwise-unavailable >pieces: > "Travelling Secrets," "The Well," and the never-released "Cirrus." > This project, originally released in 1987 by Dossier, contains >elements of > all of Greinke's early styles - from spacious and highly visual >ambience, > to daring sonic experimentation, to looped rhythmic elements - and >merges > them into a coherent whole. This will appeal to fans of styles as >widely > varied as ambient, film music, and experimental. > >SONIOS - 200 Fonios CD (nimboestatic nim802cd) $10.00 > This fine second release by nimboestatic, by Ensenada band > SONIOS, is a mix of dreampop, latinesque jazz and ambient > soundscapes. The sleeping beauty of the Pacific awakens. > >V/A - VOYAGER - vibration visitations from an ambient species > CD (Adastra 9701) $10.00 > "Voyager takes the listener on a journey through some of the > fertile landscpaes of today's ambient / atmospheric / experimental / > electronic music. Each artist involved was free to aurall paint > a picture of their world and the sounds that inhabit it, the idea > being to put these pieces together in a format which showcases the > expansiveness of ambient music today. 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We'll hold your titles for >3 weeks and if at the end of 3 weeks we hear nothing from you >the discs are returned to the public forum. > >Shipping and handling (in the U.S. and territories) : > > 1st class 4th class special >--------------------------------------------------------- >1 cd $1.25 $1.25 >2 cd $2.25 $1.25 >3 cd $3.00 $1.25 >4 cd $3.00 $1.75 >5 cd $3.00 $1.75 > > >INTERNATIONAL ORDERS: >For the following countries: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, >Finland, Germany, Great Britain, Iceland, Ireland, >Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, >Spain, Sweden, Switzerland; these shipping rates apply: > > Air Mail Priority >----------------------------------------------- >1 cd $3.00 >2 cds $4.00 >3 - 10 cds $7.00 > >----------------------------------------------- > >For these countries : >Australia, Hong Kong, Japan, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, South Korea, >Taiwan, Thialand, & Vietnam; these shipping rates apply: > > Air Mail Priority >----------------------------------------------- >1 cd $4.00 >2 cds $5.00 >3 - 10 cds $9.50 > >Canadian and Mexican residents : > > Air Mail >----------------------------------------------- >1 cd $1.75 >2 cds $2.50 >3 cds $4.00 >4 cds $5.00 >5 - 10 cds $7.00 (Canada Only) > >----------------------------------------------- > >All other countries : please write for specific shipping amounts. > >PAYMENTS: >In the U.S. and Canada : >Enclose check or money order made out to RIOUX'S RECORDS. We will accept >cash, >but make sure that it is *well* concealed. >NOW ACCEPTING VISA / MASTERCARD. > >International : > >International money orders, checks drawn on u.s. funds, and cash (again, well >concealed) is acceptable. NOW ACCEPTING VISA / MASTERCARD. > >Credit Card orders : > >Please call your information in to us (330.305.9447) or e-mail the info. >(card # and exp. date) broken into several messages. > >regards, > >jason / loree / nate > >Rioux's Records >P.O. Box 36503 >Canton, OH 44735-6503 >U.S.A. > >tel. (330) 305-9447 Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Tue Jun 30 10:19:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA21188; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:56:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:56:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <5c054647.35986f85@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:54:28 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [2998] Major Lapel Decals... >>> Loop-Philes INDEED! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"q9IGc3.0.j85.A_6cr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com miko- what the heck is a colluder?...........michale From ???@??? Tue Jun 30 10:27:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA27769; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:03:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:03:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35989C4B.18118D07@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:05:31 +0100 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Major Label Deals in danger of extinction? (no looping content) References: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0462AB8@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AwvOL1.0.kl6.l7Ecr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I firmly believe that the internet is going to liberate us all. At least to a certain extent. It is now possible for one person to market one's product to the whole planet. I think that soon, many rockstars are going to figure out that they don't really need their labels any more. Does U2 (pick the band of your choice) need Island anymore? If they distributed their stuff mail order this seems likely: 1) they sell half as many. 2) they make four times as much profit per unit. tdb PS anybody read David Brin's 'Transparent Society'? I've been saying the same thing for years...... Knew I should have written it down, damn it! From ???@??? Tue Jun 30 10:28:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA04844; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:26:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:26:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3598AFD1.58B821B7@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:28:49 +0100 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: This Mainstream vs Internet argument References: <000f01bda42c$d5600d00$0d01a8c0@Remote> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AOSb52.0.b81.qLFcr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steve Lauder wrote: > I've been reading all messages on this "All major record companies are > leeches" debate since it first started with great interest, and the latest > case put forward by (tdbajus) about marketing using the internet is a nice > idea, but in reality will never really be effective. > > How are people going to find your site? I don't think that any of us have said that major labels are leeches... all though it may have been implied ; ) It seems though (being the staunch capitalist that I am) that in the intererests of reaching your corporate objective (which I would think is a combination of producing work that satisfies the artist, is enjoyed by a fan base, and making a handsome living off of it [is there anyone here who doens't want to make music that they dig, that people they respect tell them it is cool, and own as many guitars, yachts, houses, custom built amplifiers/racks/studios etc. as possible?) is a bit impeded by a middleman that is taking perhaps to much of a chunk of the proceeds? Labels serve a need; perhaps there are better, less expensive ways to satisfy that need. That's why I gave U2 as an example. They already have a huge fan base- if they were to switch to an independant, selfmanaged marketing/distribution scheme, it would not go unnoticed. For this to realky take off quickly, someone huge would have to lead the way in a very public mannor. Also- don't you know of a few labels out there that just seem to have really good taste? Any band who comes out on DeSoto, Dischord, Touch & Go (amongst others) commands more interest unheard from me as compared to, say Sony, or Atlantic. That is the beauty of the links page on a most bands sites- You like band A, band A likes bands 1, 2, and 3. Odds are, you will most likely like one of them. You go to their site, download a few sample of their music, and maybe you find some stuff that you are really into. If not, you have at least whiled a way some of your downtime at work. I'm sure one of the Frippheads out there can fill in the details, but Fripp has a deal with Virgin(?) where he can release his output on either Virgin or his own label. Fripp makes a vastly larger profit from his own label, but his distribution is somewhat limited- If he doesn't feel that he can keep up with the demand, he gives the record to Virgin. He makes a much smaller cut per unit, but because he is selling so many more, his net profit is higher. tdb From ???@??? Tue Jun 30 10:27:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA00404; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:51:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:51:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000f01bda42c$d5600d00$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: Subject: This Mainstream vs Internet argument Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:41:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"wyhwi3.0.n3.2rEcr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Being a new-comer to the world of electronic music, I don't profess to be an expert on mainstream or independent labels, this is just my un-educated two cents! I've been reading all messages on this "All major record companies are leeches" debate since it first started with great interest, and the latest case put forward by (tdbajus) about marketing using the internet is a nice idea, but in reality will never really be effective. How are people going to find your site? With a search engine, you've got to know what you're looking for before you can find a particular site, and with so many commercial labels being on the 'net, and so many sites trying to explain what Trance, Ambient, Trip Hop etc means, the chances of your site being hit are pretty slim (Please note, this is only my opinion, argue about it as much as you like!). I have had an idea though how the mainstream and internet ideas could combine.... Take a list such as this one - there are obviously a lot of quality musicians on it. If everyone was to submit one song for a compilation CD (Kim would obviously be in charge of quality control), and everyone who makes it onto the CD donates his/her share towards the duplication costs, a bit of money towards on-line marketing, and a bit of money towards getting some quality flyers/posters printed (I'm sure there are many independent record stores who would be happy to put a flyer up somewhere in the store), then the chances of the CD getting heard of, listened to etc. are surely greatly increased? If you were to stream some exerts from the CD using RealAudio on the Web Site, (the domain name having been advertised on the flyer of course), then you will probably be getting your CD as well heard of as any other commercial one. While travelling round the independents with flyers, you could also ask whether the store would like any CDs to go with them, and if the tunes were good enough, the retailer would probably play the CD in the store too. I think this idea could work, if given the time and effort, but I'm sure many of you will be thinking that I spend most of my time in smoke infested rooms with large groups of friends (a claim I will neither confirm or deny!), and I generally don't know what I'm talking about. Any replies would be appreciated, but try not to bruise my ego too much! Laterz! Steve Lauder From ???@??? Tue Jun 30 10:28:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA14386; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:39:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:39:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:30:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000F5675.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: [2998] Major Lapel Decals... >>> Loop-Philes INDEED! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Nemoguitt@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"Sr81e3.0.6V3.IQGcr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One who is in collusion... All right all you lit majors! Is this a real word, or am I improvising again? 8-> -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: [2998] Major Lapel Decals... >>> Loop-Philes INDEED! Author: Nemoguitt@aol.com at INTERNET Date: 6/30/98 12:54 AM miko- what the heck is a colluder?...........michale From ???@??? Tue Jun 30 10:28:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA15206; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:44:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:44:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002801bda43c$ad032760$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: Subject: Re: This Mainstream vs Internet argument Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:34:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"g6fEZ3.0.Tg3.IVGcr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> It seems though (being the staunch capitalist that I am) that in the intererests of reaching your corporate objective (which I would think is a combination of producing work that satisfies the artist, is enjoyed by a fan base, and making a handsome living off of it [is there anyone here who doens't want to make music that they dig, that people they respect tell them it is cool, and own as many guitars, yachts, houses, custom built amplifiers/racks/studios etc. as possible?) is a bit impeded by a middleman that is taking perhaps to much of a chunk of the proceeds? Labels serve a need; perhaps there are better, less expensive ways to satisfy that need. <<< I agree that there is a massive buzz about getting music out there that people are really into, but as for the yachts, personal studios etc. That's all second place. OK, it's a commercial world, but I don't think anyone expects to see big bucks after a first release. I'd like to release a CD, let people say "Hey, this is f*****g smart", lend it to their friends, and let word of mouth do the marketing ready for the second CD release. THEN, if all goes to plan, it's time to look at the big bucks and the yachts and the studios. With word of mouth marketing (the good old fashioned way) you are very likely to get people going to their local music stores and ASKING THEM for your CD. If the independent sees the demand, not only will he approach you for copies of your first CD, but he'll be twice as likely to stock the next one - and probably more copies of it too. By the way, record companies being leeches is MY opinion, and although no-one has said directly that they're leeches, the scams that have been mentioned (like charging huge amounts of cash for photocopying, use of biros etc) I believe makes them very worthy of the title! >>> That's why I gave U2 as an example. They already have a huge fan base- if they were to switch to an independant, selfmanaged marketing/distribution scheme, it would not go unnoticed. For this to realky take off quickly, someone huge would have to lead the way in a very public mannor. <<< OK, if a large artist with an even larger fan-base was to do it first it would get good publicity for the new distribution method, but then everyone would be doing it. Why not start the trend instead of waiting for it to be set? I think you'd probably get more respect, and more money, from doing it first. >>> Also- don't you know of a few labels out there that just seem to have really good taste? Any band who comes out on DeSoto, Dischord, Touch & Go (amongst others) commands more interest unheard from me as compared to, say Sony, or Atlantic. That is the beauty of the links page on a most bands sites- You like band A, band A likes bands 1, 2, and 3. Odds are, you will most likely like one of them. You go to their site, download a few sample of their music, and maybe you find some stuff that you are really into. If not, you have at least whiled a way some of your downtime at work. <<< A good point, but maybe you're cutting out a lot of your potential audience? Besides, if you go to look at an independent label's site, it's because you want to see what's out on that particular label, not because you want to see links to their favourite independent artists. Don't forget, being musicians we know how to find new fresh music - not everyone's a "Hardcore" independent fan. In fact, the majority of people don't go out and look for music, they wait for the music to come to them - hence the "word of mouth" marketing method reigns supreme. >>> I'm sure one of the Frippheads out there can fill in the details, but Fripp has a deal with Virgin(?) where he can release his output on either Virgin or his own label. Fripp makes a vastly larger profit from his own label, but his distribution is somewhat limited- If he doesn't feel that he can keep up with the demand, he gives the record to Virgin. He makes a much smaller cut per unit, but because he is selling so many more, his net profit is higher. <<< Sounds like Fripp's got it sorted! Laters Steve Lauder From ???@??? Tue Jun 30 12:44:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA09910; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:51:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:51:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000f01bda42c$d5600d00$0d01a8c0@Remote> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:03:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: This Mainstream vs Internet argument Resent-Message-ID: <"QFm3p3.0.cN2.XEJcr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >How are people going to find your site? With a search engine, you've got to that's actually a very difficult thing, rising above the noise....and there is a LOT of noise these days......unless of course you have a lot of money and marketing department devoted to it, or you stumble on some hair-brained idea that people actually like....even then it ain't easy to get those hits....You have to realize that the internet just makes you available, it doesn't cause people to pay attention. That takes work on your part, same as it does in the analog world. >Take a list such as this one - there are obviously a lot of quality >musicians on it. If everyone was to submit one song for a compilation CD >(Kim would obviously be in charge of quality control), and everyone who >makes it onto the CD donates his/her share towards the duplication costs, a >bit of money towards on-line marketing, and a bit of money towards getting >some quality flyers/posters printed (I'm sure there are many independent >record stores who would be happy to put a flyer up somewhere in the store), >then the chances of the CD getting heard of, listened to etc. are surely >greatly increased? we currently have 3 different CD projects in various stages of completion. Check the website for details. (and no, I would not be in charge of it. delegate, delegate, delegate!) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 30 22:27:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA09958; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:24:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:24:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199807010223.WAA00546@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: [2998] Major Lapel Decals... >>> Loop-Philes INDEED! Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:20:00 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1TVoT3.0.vO2.vsPcr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yeah!! what's all this talk of "major lapels"?? i for one wear T-shirts or guaraches when cold and so- have no lapels.... am i to be left out ??? and what if you're not a major, much less a colonel or even a private ?? i'm confused. From ???@??? Tue Jun 30 22:27:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@luis.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by luis.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA05860; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:45:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:45:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: luis.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Sender: jean@ofc.alabanza.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:34:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Customer Support Subject: test post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"WsU_Z2.0.8N1.3IPcr"@luis.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Test Post. 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