From ???@??? Fri May 01 02:05:41 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:57:08 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVAgt-0006l5-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:57:07 -0700 Message-ID: <35497514.91B1AD8@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 00:09:15 -0700 From: Bill Moyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. BOSS delay? References: <199804302353.QAA02008@ns2.vphos.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KiUs6B.A.xHG.R-XS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5400 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:57:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 89a0ac25d6b71b08b73a2705fcb9e9f4 Boomerang samples at 8 and 16K. Its hardware is supposed to be capable of sampling at 44k, but there seems to be a software inadequacy. It's an incredibly intuitive product, and the guys who make it are gaining a great rep. for friendly service. There was supposed to be a new software chip, but it's been in the works for a while now. I recommend it if your not too worried about great sample clarity. Go for it, Bill Moyer From ???@??? Fri May 01 02:05:44 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 1 May 1998 01:55:48 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVBbg-0000zn-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 01:55:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 01:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805010851.BAA21096@ns2.vphos.net> X-Sender: apiffer@mail.bulkley.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: apiffer@mail.bulkley.net Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. BOSS delay? Resent-Message-ID: <"ba4OCB.A.or._0YS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5401 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 01:55:48 -0700 X-UIDL: f9f74bf324ebb37d2d57bae7fbfc2005 >Boomerang samples at 8 and 16K. Its >hardware is supposed to be capable >of sampling at 44k, but there seems >to be a software inadequacy. It's >an incredibly intuitive product, and >the guys who make it are gaining a >great rep. for friendly service. >There was supposed to be a new >software chip, but it's been in the >works for a while now. I recommend >it if your not too worried about >great sample clarity. Thanks- just out of curiousity, would anyone happen to know what the sampling rate of a BOSS delay pedal is...? I haven't tried a Boomerang, and I'd like to get some kind of an idea of its sound quality by comparison to a BOSS pedal, or some other similar basic delay pedal. From ???@??? Sat May 02 03:13:53 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:03:20 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yVL5b-0000bx-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:03:19 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVL5b-0003Ff-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:03:19 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVL5Z-0000bq-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:03:17 -0700 X-Sender: breakz@pop.hom.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:03:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: breakz@hom.net (David Ferguson) Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. BOSS delay? Resent-Message-ID: <"7wmVSC.A.3I.WthS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5407 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:03:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 73a046d81d50f5ac9d7709622363563a the Boss DD-5 digital delay A\D conversion.....16 bit linear, 64x oversampling D\A conversion.....16 bit linear sampling frequency.....32khz Daniel From ???@??? Fri May 01 10:07:53 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 1 May 1998 06:36:02 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVFyq-000239-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 06:36:00 -0700 From: Texture444 Message-ID: <986956bb.3549ce7c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:30:35 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Spin-17 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"682n9B.A.ZpB.o6cS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5402 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 06:36:00 -0700 X-UIDL: c5e03e482bea1757a2091176e55720df ed, et al: oops, sorry: lost the thread. so what's the date of this performance @ rio? best, dt From ???@??? Fri May 01 10:08:06 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:42:19 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVHx4-0000p2-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:42:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:34:07 +0100 Message-ID: <00118B61.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Re: E-Bow sightings/soundings To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"9eUBv.A.gP.jveS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5403 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:42:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 7ed8e3878875d9d8c0142449b8262cf9 I just received the following from ebow.com. The news of a new device is known to many here, but I thought word on the expected shipping date might be of interest. David >The new eboe (the PlusEBow) has a harmonic position that is very cool. >Difficult to describe so be sure to check one out when you can. They should >be in stores in the next 3 weeks or so. From ???@??? Fri May 01 10:08:06 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:44:55 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVHza-000166-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:44:54 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVHzc-0007DZ-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:44:56 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVHzW-00015e-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:44:50 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <852565F7.0055D169.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:42:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Re: Spin-17 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"QOjMMD.A.wb.CyeS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5404 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:44:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 6341d5c3ece4b9ccda38769da15ef9e4 Hi dt The show is tonight (Friday May 1st) at 9PM. Here's the "info packet" again for more ... BTW, I just talked with Donald M and unfortunately Drumm can't make it because of transportation problems. Oh well, but the duo between Donald and Taku should reveal its own certain "beauties". Dear Friends and Fellow Fans of Experimental Music Just a moment of your time to let you know.. T H I S F R I D A Y , M A Y 1 st (T O M O R R O W) * * * * * 9PM at ABC No Rio (156 Rivington St, (212) 254- 3697 ) S P I N - 1 7 RECORD RELEASE PARTY! (formerly NC-17) with guests Donald Miller/Kevin Drumm/Taku Sugimoto (3 Guys with Guitars) We've finally finished our new CD and we're going to have a party/performance. Music, food and refreshments will be provided! Donald Miller will be bringing in 2 guitarists from Chicago and Tokyo to help us celebrate! Here's the details: Spin-17 is: Ed Chang on : Electronics / Alto sax / Guitar / Turntable Motoko Shimizu on : Voice / Turntable / Toys / Bridge-Guitar We'll be performing a couple of our most popular "pieces" from the past including John Cage's "Aria" w. Compos'T and "The Noise Song", as well as a plethora of new pieces, charting territories barely chartable. Electronics and Acoustics clash and congeal in seas of improvisational bliss. Infinite soundscapes, skreech and skronk, an ode to exercise, it's all new! Also, the premiere of the Bridge-Guitar, a new invention with old tools! No one knows exactly how to play it, so I guess we're as qualified as the next guy. In any case, fun will be had by all! Joining us for this night of electro-alcoholic debauchery will be Donald Miller's "3 Guys With Guitars" Donald Miller (from Borbetomagus, William Hooker, Lhasa Cement Plant,etc...) There's no one quite like him, a guitar aesthetic unique to his own visions. Kevin Drumm (from Chicago, solo CD recently released) All I know is eveybody's talking about this guy as the newest, hottest prepared guitar slinger to hit the scene. Totally original. Jim O'Rourke stopped playing guitar for 2 years because of this guy. Taku Sugimoto (from Tokyo, Japan) This guy's got a new CD on Hat Art and plays cello as well. Outstanding. These 3 master improvisors will be meeting for the first time for this show. No one knows what's going to happen. We're totally excited by this performance! Please join us for this celebration of creative new music! T H I S F R I D A Y , M A Y 1 st (T O M O R R O W) 9PM sharp at ABC No Rio (156 Rivington St, between Clinton and Suffolk, 2 blocks south of Houston (212) 254- 3697 ) $5 for the whole shebang Texture444 on 05/01/98 09:30:35 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Edward Chang/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Re: Spin-17 ed, et al: oops, sorry: lost the thread. so what's the date of this performance @ rio? best, dt From ???@??? Fri May 01 10:08:18 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:58:38 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVJ8v-0006Rl-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:58:37 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: Re: Spin-17 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:52:07 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd7521$79bad5a0$2f08bfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"cY88Z.A.JgF.a3fS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5405 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:58:37 -0700 X-UIDL: b2629f5493f23b85a2d20ff719dd363e Edward, Do you know how I can get ahold of Motoko Shimizu so i can find out more about this "Bridge Guitar". It sounds interesting. I sure hope that if and when you tape this concert, that instrument is clearly defined in the sound field. I've done plenty of prepared guitar stuff and would like to see if we can help each other brighten our horizons. Jeff Collins collinsclan@sprintmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Re: Spin-17 >Hi dt >The show is tonight (Friday May 1st) at 9PM. Here's the "info packet" >again for more ... > >BTW, I just talked with Donald M and unfortunately Drumm can't make it >because of transportation problems. Oh well, but the duo between Donald >and Taku should reveal its own certain "beauties". > > >Dear Friends and Fellow Fans of Experimental Music >Just a moment of your time to let you know.. > >T H I S F R I D A Y , M A Y 1 st (T O M O R R O W) * * * * * >9PM at ABC No Rio (156 Rivington St, (212) 254- 3697 ) >S P I N - 1 7 RECORD RELEASE PARTY! >(formerly NC-17) >with guests Donald Miller/Kevin Drumm/Taku Sugimoto (3 Guys with Guitars) > >We've finally finished our new CD and we're going to have a >party/performance. >Music, food and refreshments will be provided! >Donald Miller will be bringing in 2 guitarists from Chicago and Tokyo to >help us celebrate! >Here's the details: > >Spin-17 is: >Ed Chang on : Electronics / Alto sax / Guitar / Turntable >Motoko Shimizu on : Voice / Turntable / Toys / Bridge-Guitar > >We'll be performing a couple of our most popular "pieces" from the past >including John Cage's "Aria" w. Compos'T and "The Noise Song", as well as a >plethora of new pieces, charting territories barely chartable. Electronics >and Acoustics clash and congeal in seas of improvisational bliss. >Infinite soundscapes, skreech and skronk, an ode to exercise, it's all new! >Also, the premiere of the Bridge-Guitar, a new invention with old tools! >No one knows exactly how to play it, so I guess we're as qualified as the >next guy. In any case, fun will be had by all! > >Joining us for this night of electro-alcoholic debauchery will be Donald >Miller's "3 Guys With Guitars" >Donald Miller (from Borbetomagus, William Hooker, Lhasa Cement >Plant,etc...) > There's no one quite like him, a guitar aesthetic unique to his own >visions. >Kevin Drumm (from Chicago, solo CD recently released) > All I know is eveybody's talking about this guy as the newest, hottest >prepared guitar slinger to hit the scene. Totally original. Jim O'Rourke >stopped playing guitar for 2 years because of this guy. >Taku Sugimoto (from Tokyo, Japan) > This guy's got a new CD on Hat Art and plays cello as well. >Outstanding. > >These 3 master improvisors will be meeting for the first time for this >show. No one knows what's going to happen. We're totally excited by this >performance! Please join us for this celebration of creative new music! > > >T H I S F R I D A Y , M A Y 1 st (T O M O R R O W) >9PM sharp at ABC No Rio (156 Rivington St, >between Clinton and Suffolk, 2 blocks south of Houston >(212) 254- 3697 ) >$5 for the whole shebang > > > > > > >Texture444 on 05/01/98 09:30:35 AM > >Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >cc: (bcc: Edward Chang/AMS/AMSINC) >Subject: Re: Re: Spin-17 > > > > >ed, et al: >oops, sorry: lost the thread. >so what's the date of this performance @ rio? >best, >dt > > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Sat May 02 03:14:05 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:50:14 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVMl3-0000BT-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:50:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:40:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000CBFCB.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Boomerang vs. BOSS delay? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com, breakz@hom.net (David Ferguson) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"yAd_xC.A.oCH.NRjS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5408 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:50:13 -0700 X-UIDL: b30f34f77f2da3d59f7f7982718831a3 >the Boss DD-5 digital delay >A\D conversion.....16 bit linear, 64x oversampling >D\A conversion.....16 bit linear >sampling frequency.....32khz >Daniel Which is roughly the same as the JamMan... -Miko From ???@??? Sat May 02 03:14:10 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:28:32 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVNM6-0002sz-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 14:28:30 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980501212419.00dce098@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 14:24:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: jamman schematic and Boomerang vs. BOSS delay? Resent-Message-ID: <"XzbrlD.A.sVC.11jS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5409 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:28:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 0377fe00683eec0162062ae5efa58950 At 01:40 PM 5/1/98 -0700, Mike Biffle wrote: >>the Boss DD-5 digital delay >>A\D conversion.....16 bit linear, 64x oversampling >>D\A conversion.....16 bit linear >>sampling frequency.....32khz >>Daniel > >Which is roughly the same as the JamMan... > ...except for the oversampling part. I think jamman actually has discrete A/D and D/A, which is sort of amazing. Which reminds me: some time back, Greg Hogan sent me service manuals for both the JamMan and Vortex so that they can be included on the Looper's Delight pages. I haven't had time to scan them or do anything about it. Do any of you jamman/vortex users have a decent scanner and feel motivated about doing this? The manuals include schematics, explanations of the onboard hardware tests, bringup and repair guides, etc., and would probably be a nice thing to have out in the public domain. Volunteers? kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat May 02 03:14:19 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:00:03 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVOmc-0001bH-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:59:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Stew Benedict Subject: Re: jamman schematic and Boomerang vs. BOSS delay? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980501212419.00dce098@pop.chromatic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ohulS.A.iJB.oLlS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5410 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:59:58 -0700 X-UIDL: e80a41dc2c2685dd734b8393fe10bf5d I could scan those manuals - how many pages approximately? I could index them up like I did with the vortex manual into a table. Stew Benedict From ???@??? Sat May 02 03:14:21 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:24:06 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVP9v-0003JN-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:24:03 -0700 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <59d223fc.354a588f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 19:19:23 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, stickwire-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Adelante/Shamballah Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"J0mJrD.A.FxC.wilS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5411 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:24:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 3ebd79ddbbc96d1ba9c5c4f0216a5938 I'll be playing at club "Shamballah" (Vineland, N.J. (609)696-5505) as part of the improv. trio "Adelante" this Sat. May 2nd. Also performing will be percussionist/musician Mogauwane Mahloele. There will be two sets (one cover charge-$5), at 8:00pm and 10:00 with Mogauwane opening both. "Adelante" info can be found at <>. Thanks- Paul From ???@??? Sat May 02 03:14:28 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:48:15 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yVPXJ-00055h-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:48:13 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVPXK-0000gg-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:48:14 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVPXF-00055C-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:48:09 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199805012344.QAA27033@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Ken Rosser? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:44:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "KRosser414" at May 1, 98 00:59:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wuvFbD.A.0ZE.M5lS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5412 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:48:09 -0700 X-UIDL: ae6f087dbdf8bcf2e6ee06c1cb686389 > In a message dated 98-04-30 16:55:40 EDT, you write: > > << Is there someone here named Ken Rosser? > > Yo.... > > > I'm just curious because there's a guitarist by that name scheduled > > to play with the Tom Heasley Trio at Spruce Street Forum (a new music > >club dedicated to improvised music) in San Diego. > > Yes, that's me again.... Thought that name looked familiar when Lou's Records (http://www.lousrecords.com) posted that gig as part of the Spruce Street Forum ad. Already missed Stuart Liebig's appearance there. :( Anyway I look forward to seeing you at Spruce Street Forum. Looks like it's becoming a good place for loopers to play in San Diego. :) Cheers, Paolo From ???@??? Sat May 02 03:14:32 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Fri, 1 May 1998 17:36:28 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yVQHz-0000eD-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:36:27 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVQI0-0001V3-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:36:28 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVQHw-0000dt-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:36:24 -0700 Message-ID: <354A6A24.4B08@dmans.com> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 19:34:44 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: A request for some advice (please) References: <199804291950.PAA06122@web01.globecomm.net> <3547AAD6.46E351C8@aznet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V0LH7.A.fP.2lmS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5413 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 17:36:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 9fcbe8b883e26fd2ea5873a64d4a2c52 Adam Tuckerman wrote: > > I have the opportunity to buy a used 1 minute Boomerang for $150. > It doesn't have the manual or a power supply. Should i go for it? > > Thank you very much, > > Adam Tuckerman Hi Adam, You can power it with a 9VAC (note AC), 500mA adapter. There is an Alesis adapter that is compatible. There is no substitute for powering it up and trying it out. Also, I would take it apart and inspect the insides. Does it smell burned? Has some liquid (beer) been spilled into the unit? If it looks solid but doesn't work, it may still be worth buying. The Rang is fairly straight forward and typically very easy to fix. I imagine we could fix whatever is wrong for $25-$75, but remember, this is an estimate not a promise. I can sell you a power supply and a manual for $14.00. If you get the Rang, let me know your address and Rang serial #. That way I can bother you with useless junk mail. All the best, Mike Nelson, co-owner Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 Tel 800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913) Fax 214-343-1038 email mnelson@dmans.com web page http://www.boomerangmusic.com From ???@??? Fri May 01 11:29:02 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:06:18 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yVKCM-0003xt-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:06:14 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVKCL-0002Jo-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:06:13 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVKCJ-0003xc-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:06:11 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980501194611.11f7fbd6@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 19:46:11 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Texture444@aol.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: The "DT and RF" approach to looping In-Reply-To: <986956bb.3549ce7c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"04AUdD.A.UOD.Z3gS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5406 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:06:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 503db5a6d1c4af95a0937d78faf48368 Last week someone mentioned the "David Torn/Robert Fripp" approach to looping. David pointed out that he didn't actually share an approach to looping with RF and I see his point; on the other hand when people have in the past (and many have) referred to the "DT/RF" approach I've generally understood what they meant. So, to in some way explain what I think we mean when we use the phrase (and to perhaps undo some offence), I think I've taken the DT/RF approach to mean: Take one adventurous improviser; Plug into mondo FX; plug them into a Looper; plug that into more mondo FX. As opposed to the "Bill Frizzell" approach (which started the debate) which is: Take one adventurous improviser; plug into a looper. Does this make sense? Michael Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- "..man, the road must eventually lead to the whole world. Ain't nowhere else it can go - right?" - Jack Kerouac, "On The Road" --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Sat May 02 03:14:58 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Sat, 2 May 1998 01:06:05 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yVXJ6-0003RF-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 01:06:04 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVXJ4-0006Fo-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 01:06:02 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVXJ3-0003R2-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 01:06:01 -0700 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: Squarepusher on 52nd. Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 09:57:26 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd759f$f23ee560$05024382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"gPQjXB.A.W9C.6JtS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5414 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 01:06:01 -0700 X-UIDL: 957a1f724d88214f2d3982cca0203428 HI all , I just bought a cd by a fella named Squarepusher , it`s called "feed me new things". I believe it falls under the Drum`n`Bass genre. For someone who`s never checked out the "electronica" stuff this cd is a door-opener. As I sat listening to it my mind started going into different directions at once, and the whole thing was.....errm , TRIPPY! I can feel the barriers crashing down in my mind. Now I really want to get a sampler! :-) Have any of you tried recording guitar over music such as Squarepusher?? I`m wondering if it might be "too much" stuff going on , with the busy groove and all that , to actually improvise some guitar over it. From ???@??? Sat May 02 16:10:30 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 2 May 1998 04:09:38 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVaAg-0007af-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 04:09:34 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bd759f$f23ee560$05024382@pentium-200> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 04:03:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Squarepusher on 52nd. Resent-Message-ID: <"k5egHC.A.C8G.S4vS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5415 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 04:09:34 -0700 X-UIDL: ddbbea23684dabaf93fe89490035864c > HI all , I just bought a cd by a fella named Squarepusher , it`s called >"feed me new things". I believe it falls under the Drum`n`Bass genre. >For someone who`s never checked out the "electronica" stuff this cd is >a door-opener. As I sat listening to it my mind started going into >different directions at once, >and the whole thing was.....errm , TRIPPY! > >I can feel the barriers crashing down in my mind. Now I really want to get >a sampler! :-) > >Have any of you tried recording guitar over music such as Squarepusher?? >I`m wondering >if it might be "too much" stuff going on , with the busy groove and all >that , to actually improvise some guitar over it. Find the Buckethead album called "The Day of the Robot", for an example. Most of the tracks have jungle grooves provided by dj ninj, with buckethead adding his guitar eccentricities to the mix. I like it for dj ninj more than anything else, but I guess the guitar parts work alright. It's a few years old now, so the jungle might not be the latest stuff, but it's still a pretty interesting album. One of the first places I heard jungle/drum&bass, actually. Squarepusher can be really busy (and a bit fixated on late 70s fusion), a lot of jungle has a very sparse feel where it would be easier to add guitar loops. (try photek, boymerang, optical, or other "darkstep" types.) Another branch of dnb tends to be very jazzy, with samples off old jazz records, and jazzier, sometimes smoother feel. (John B, Roni Size). A lot of the jazzy dnb guys have been experimenting with playing live with traditional instruments, or having improvisers blow over their tracks. That seems like a perfect place to try adding real-time looping or experimenting with guitars. (especially if you have a jazz background) I'd say, listen to some more of it, and get a feel for what role the percussion parts play, the bass parts, the "other stuff". The music is coming from a different place than where a lot of "guitar music" comes from, but once you get a feel for what's going on, I think you could figure out where to add your own thing. Drum & bass is a very dynamic thing right now, with lots of experimentation and evolution going on, There's lots of room to explore new ideas there, which is why I think so many musicians are interested in it. have fun, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat May 02 16:10:38 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 2 May 1998 08:02:00 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVdnc-0005C7-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 08:02:00 -0700 Message-ID: <354B346B.17085060@mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 10:57:47 -0400 From: Jason Secord X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Squarepusher on 52nd. References: <01bd759f$f23ee560$05024382@pentium-200> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IOLsjC.A.coE.dRzS1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5416 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 08:02:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 0d0eaf888f8aa9abb5a60b542991011d sir, squarepusher et "trippy" I agree so is electronica for the most part I like it I think thats why most of the world likes it I've done some stuff with improvised guit** over triggered samples and 606 drum loops... Its fun, tricky to werk w/ w/out multitracking but fun So many people have been running on this idea since WaxTrax/TVT in the eighties, why not try it?:) PS: A littl e Jamm an a nd a little distortion and a little screamin t hat s the secret recipe Woehni wrote: > > HI all , I just bought a cd by a fella named Squarepusher , it`s called > "feed me new things". I believe it falls under the Drum`n`Bass genre. > For someone who`s never checked out the "electronica" stuff this cd is > a door-opener. As I sat listening to it my mind started going into different directions at once, > and the whole thing was.....errm , TRIPPY! > > I can feel the barriers crashing down in my mind. Now I really want to get a sampler! :-) > > Have any of you tried recording guitar over music such as Squarepusher?? I`m wondering > if it might be "too much" stuff going on , with the busy groove and all that , to actually improvise some guitar over it. ..,,,..,,, killyeridols ..,,,..,,, sonicdeath ..,,,.. itstheendoftheworld From ???@??? Sat May 02 16:10:45 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:43:23 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVj7y-0001GJ-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 13:43:22 -0700 Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <354B81BE.D89FBB9C@csi.com> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 22:27:42 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan MIDI and NEW JamMan MIDI Question References: <199804301051_MC2-3B6B-6450@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bFnZDD.A.B8.rR4S1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5417 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:43:22 -0700 X-UIDL: d4551fca9a3924ba4d69cad42b7a8425 The JamMan tap function is transmitted using program change #1, NOT simply channel 1. In fact, the JamMan defaults to channel 1 for the entire MIDI implementation. This can be changed on powering up (see manual). Now I pose a question to all you JamMan MIDI experts: Is it possible to convert MIDI note messages from a MIDI device (drum pads) to MIDI program change messages? Are there any commercial units available which can do this? Sean wrote: > > Does anyone use an external MIDI controller to trigger the JamMan? I use > a Peavey PC-1600x and have had some success setting up multiple loops > across buttons. However, I cannot tap in/out of loops. I have my MIDI > channel set to 1 which the manual says is the equivalent of "tap." It > doesn't work, though. The JamMan does indicate that a signal is being > received as the display brightens when I punch a key. > > Thanks, > > Sean From ???@??? Sat May 02 17:50:52 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 2 May 1998 17:48:11 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVmws-0001G2-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:48:10 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19980501194611.11f7fbd6@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> References: <986956bb.3549ce7c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 17:41:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Texture444@aol.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The "DT and RF" approach to looping Resent-Message-ID: <"ozP15D.A.U8.N37S1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5418 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 17:48:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 866d3df9bf21b746436613e2e4da293c At 7:46 PM -0700 5/1/98, Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: >Last week someone mentioned the "David Torn/Robert Fripp" approach to looping. >David pointed out that he didn't actually share an approach to looping with >RF and I see his point; on the other hand when people have in the past (and >many have) referred to the "DT/RF" approach I've generally understood what >they meant. > >So, to in some way explain what I think we mean when we use the phrase (and >to perhaps undo some offence), I think I've taken the DT/RF approach to mean: > >Take one adventurous improviser; >Plug into mondo FX; >plug them into a Looper; >plug that into more mondo FX. > >As opposed to the "Bill Frizzell" approach (which started the debate) which >is: > >Take one adventurous improviser; >plug into a looper. > >Does this make sense? Seems to me like a rather gear-centric definition! I would say there's a lot more to it then that, and that's what I imagine David is talking about. Things like: What purpose are loops serving in the music? What context are they placed in? What does the use of loops means to the given performer? How do they approach developing the loop? What do they do with the loop once they've got it? How much is it compositional vs. improvised? Is it rhythm? texture? background? foreground? Solo? Supporting? What are the favored techniques employed on the given set of gear? and on and on.... It doesn't surprise me at all that david would consider what he's doing with loops to be very different from Mr. Fripp is up to. To me they seem completely different, and like they approach looping in very different ways. It also doesn't suprise me that he got a bit miffed about it. It's a little bit disrespectful, don't you think, to take two innovative (and quite different) artists and lump them together like that. He's not the only one either. I've heard a few other well known looping innovators express (in private, of course) some amount of annoyance that they keep finding their name in the same sentence with Fripp's. Or worse, that fripp's is the only name mentioned in a reference to looping. I don't think it's a disrespect of fripp at all, more like annoyance that people don't seem to be really listening to what they've done with looping, or that credit isn't being given to the people who were doing this long before Fripp or who were much more innovative in their use of loops than Fripp has been. Fripp certainly popularized this approach for some people, but maybe it's time to give more credit out where it's due? kim "stirring shit up again" flint ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun May 03 00:01:12 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:06:32 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVp6l-0005We-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:06:31 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3545F7C5.12CB@mdbs.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 19:39:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: multiple echoplex syncing (was: Hello and Help) Resent-Message-ID: <"pkcDRD.A.T0E.749S1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5419 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:06:31 -0700 X-UIDL: bbf341bdd3fa68798fc12f4fc753c5ae slow as ever: At 10:37 AM -0500 4/28/98, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >1) I have quantize on. But on both my units the parameter >(SwitchQuant, right?) give me the choices of "OFF", >"CyC", and "CnF" and the manual describes only "On" and >"OFF". I set mine to "CyC". Could you explain what >"CyC" and "CnF" mean? this one definitely has to get into the FAQ. Here's a past answer I gave for this question: >If you set the SwitchQuant parameter to "Confirm" (CnF) the echoplex will wait >until you tell it to jump to the loop you want. So as you tap the NextLoop >button the display shows which loop you are setting up to jump to, but you >still hear the current loop. When you are at the one you want, you press >the Undo switch to confirm it, and jump right there. (you can also press >any function switch, so that you can jump to the new loop and immediately >start another function.) This method is very convenient from the standard >echoplex pedal. > >If you set the SwitchQuant parameter to "Cycle" the echoplex will wait >until the end of the current cycle (quantizing) before switching loops. >During the wait period before the end of the cycle, each tap of the >NextLoop button increments the loop you are jumping to. So you tap the >button enough times for it to show the loop you want to go to, and as soon >as the cycle ends you jump right there. Again, if you press another >function key, the echoplex will start that function as soon as you switch. >This method is convenient for switching anywhere with the pedal, but also >essential when you have to keep all of your loops playing in steady time. >2) When I have loops in both units and the slave is synched properly to >the master, I notice unusual behavior >from the slave when I try to do a NextLoop, Multiply sequence. I use this >to do a loop-copy into the next >(empty) loop. I hit NextLoop right after the slave loop begins (it's >about 14 seconds long) and, rather than >entering a "lame duck period", the slave immediately switches to the next >loop. If I set Sync to "Off" this >doesn't happen, i.e., the slave enters a "lame duck period", but then the >units aren't synched any more. Are you sure that the slave unit didn't go into the waiting period, but for a much shorter time than you expected? One thing I didn't mention before, the slave will consider its cycle period to be the length defined by it's 8th/beat setting and the midi clock from the master. So if you record a sync'd loop on the slave that's several multiples of this cycle length, the loop time displayed on slave might fool you a bit. It will show the length of the whole loop, but the cycle time will actually be the time defined by 8ths/beat and the midi clock. The quantized loop switch will occur at the end of the first midi-clock defined sync point. For example: Master has 8ths/beat = 8 Slave has 8ths/beat = 1 You record an 8 second loop on the master. The slave's sync LED will be flashing every 1 second. You press Record on the slave, it waits for it's next sync point, and start recording. You decide to let the slave's loop be four multiples of the cycle length defined by the midi clock. You let it keep recording up until somewhere during the third second, and press Record. It finishes up that cycle and ends the loop with the display showing 4.0 seconds. Now, you might expect that SwitchQuant will use this 4 second length for quantizing. It doesn't though. It treats this as if you had a taken a 1 second loop and multiplied it out to 4. So if you press NextLoop, it will quantize to the next 1 second interval. Is this what happened for you? >3) From your explanation and my understanding, I conclude that the slave >and master may have differing ideas >of where things begin. Visually, this would be shown by the StartPoint >indicator of the slave not flashing at >the same time that the StartPoint of the master flashes. Diagrammatically: > >master loop: |---------------------------------------| > >slave loop: ------|---------|---------|---------|--- > >If this is so, is there a way to "realign" the slaves synching? Well, it's quite possible to get things out of alignment if you're not careful. Unquantized reverses and loop retriggering can throw your sync all outta wack. the way I usually fix that is to retrigger the loop that is receiving sync manually, as close to the correct start point as I can manage. (using Mute-Undo, with quantize off is the best way for this.) The echoplex should see the midi clock and that the sync start point is very close to it's current loop start point. Once it detects that, it will lock things together again. hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun May 03 00:01:10 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:06:17 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVp6V-0005Ve-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:06:15 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35463171.7B162943@vtx.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 19:59:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: One for the plex FAQ Resent-Message-ID: <"5AYE0.A.Z1E.B59S1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5420 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:06:15 -0700 X-UIDL: e39d5f7920b92850102b686cff65eade another days-old question: At 9:43 PM +0200 4/28/98, Claude Voit wrote: >Dear friend > >is this possible and how > >record the nextloop silently with the current loop playing well, I guess the answer is no, unless you use more than one echoplex. But I'm interested in what you are trying to do and why you want to do it this way. (maybe it's interesting for some future looper) Do you mean just a single pass, simple record on the second loop? (no overdubs, etc). If that's what you want, is there some reason you need to record it while the current loop is still playing? If you just go to the next loop and start recording, there won't be any discontinuity. The first time the "loop" plays will actually be you playing it while the echoplex is recording, and from there on it will be the echoplex. Or do you want to do something more? If you want to silently develop some complicated loop with lots of overdubbing, multiplies, etc., while another loop is playing, and then just jump right to the new one, well that's just beyond the echoplex's capabilities. You really need to have multiple loop tracks to do that, so that one track is playing while you are working on another. Presumably you would want to monitor the one you are developing, while the audience can't hear it, right? which means multiple outputs even. That's just too many things at once for the poor echoplex's processor to manage. Some future looper generation I guess might be able to handle this sort of thing. Right now you would have to use two loopers and a mixer to manage it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun May 03 00:01:16 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:38:44 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVpbw-0006pF-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:38:44 -0700 From: Crossedout Message-ID: <6a3cb2c5.354be5f0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:35:11 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: jamman schematic and Boomerang vs. BOSS delay? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"iU4XID.A.bMG.SY-S1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5421 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:38:44 -0700 X-UIDL: 3643396c2704790b7e75a8dc326f5af6 Hey - I have a scanner and I can probably do it. How large are we talking? Since I am not contributing any scintillating threads yet, I might as well do something. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com -The Roller zine - http://members.aol.com/crossedout/ From ???@??? Sun May 03 00:01:17 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:48:07 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVpl0-0007OB-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:48:06 -0700 From: Crossedout Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:44:37 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Squarepusher on 52nd. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"XKAQ9C.A.-qG.Hh-S1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5422 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:48:06 -0700 X-UIDL: adbeb48e0c775661718466c5f418e85b Good call on the Squarepusher - I would recommend two ep's by him, "Vic Acid" and "Port Rhombus" - they are imports, but relatively easy to find. I think the key to doing drum&bass or jungle with guitar over it would just be to balance the elements - the music is so sparse (and it kinda needs to be, in my opinion), that you need to keep a fine balance between "minimal" and "over busy". If you get something going, post it somewhere so we can hear it!! - Bill Crossedout - The Roller zine - http://members.aol.com/crossedout/ From ???@??? Sun May 03 00:01:18 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:49:58 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVpmo-0007YT-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:49:58 -0700 From: Crossedout Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:46:04 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Squarepusher on 52nd.(take 2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"kMGDXB.A.FyG.gi-S1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5423 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:49:58 -0700 X-UIDL: fa1b1a984680b86ad73a8b7411b9245b Forgot something... you might want to check out a guy named Photek, a cd called "Risc vs. Reward" - it's a compilation of two import eps'. It's similarly styled, and it rips. - Bill From ???@??? Sun May 03 00:01:22 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 2 May 1998 21:51:18 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVqk9-0001q2-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 21:51:17 -0700 Message-ID: <354BF8D1.43C1@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 21:55:45 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Squarepusher on 52nd. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tad9F.A.sdB.sa_S1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5424 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 21:51:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 1be661fe7986543bf4398e84ce4a5e2a Crossedout wrote: > I think the key to doing drum&bass or jungle with guitar over it would just be > to balance the elements - the music is so sparse (and it kinda needs to be, in > my opinion), that you need to keep a fine balance between "minimal" and "over > busy". > > If you get something going, post it somewhere so we can hear it!! Ummm... At the risk of overexposing myself, I've got some online sound files of my music which is primarily (ta da...) electric guitar over jungle beats. In fact, I'm under the impression that those files were Thomas "Woheni"s first taste of drum 'n bass, based upon mail he sent me. I posted a notice about these files a week ago, so presumably some folks either heard it and thought it unworthy of mention in this thread, or else missed the notice altogether. So, just in case: The URL is http://home.earthlink.net/~altruist/sound.html The song is called "In Time," from my 1998 demo (the first three samples). --Andre From ???@??? Sun May 03 00:01:22 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 2 May 1998 22:15:49 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVr7s-0002oX-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:15:48 -0700 Message-ID: <354BFEF2.1E7@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 22:21:55 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The "DT and RF" approach to looping References: <986956bb.3549ce7c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QMz7oD.A.ncC.Pz_S1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5425 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 22:15:48 -0700 X-UIDL: db3b32f2f776fbe63932b12aa0d4a1b5 Kim Flint wrote: > It doesn't surprise me at all that david would consider what he's doing > with loops to be very different from Mr. Fripp is up to. To me they seem > completely different, and like they approach looping in very different > ways. > It also doesn't suprise me that he got a bit miffed about it. It's a little > bit disrespectful, don't you think, to take two innovative (and quite > different) artists and lump them together like that. He's not the only one > either. I've heard a few other well known looping innovators express (in > private, of course) some amount of annoyance that they keep finding their > name in the same sentence with Fripp's. I think we have a loop of approximately three months' length going with this thread here... I wholeheartedly agree that if you take a good look at the music David Torn and Robert Fripp, you'll see that there are profound differences in the way they use looping, and the contexts in which they use it. *However*, I also think you've got to realize that in the grand scheme of the whole spectrum of music in general (or even looping in particular), you can't be too terribly surprised if these sorts of associations get made, particularly by those who don't have the sort of knowledge or interest in this sort of thing that most of us do. For instance, Kim, in your post from earlier today about jungle, you mention both Photek and Boymerang as examples of "darkstep" drum and bass. Now, I personally can't think of any two jungle artists more dissimilar than those two! Photek's stuff is extremely minimalistic, detached, chilly, intellectual, abstract stuff (about his own production aesthetic, he once remarked, "The absence of feeling sort of becomes the feeling.") On the other hand, Boymerang's stuff is very lush, sweeping, grandoise stuff, full of thick synth pads, echoey ambient sounds, and the like. To my ears, Photek's stuff sounds like a black and white experimental art film shot on a soundstage, and Boymerang sounds like a technicolor widescreen epic filmed on location. And I wouldn't put either of them into "darkstep" as quickly as I would others (though I'm certainly no expert on the genre). But at the same time, they apparently get lumped together, erroneously or otherwise, under a similar genre. (And I'm not saying you're wrong in this, either; jungle has so many different genre names and alleged deliniations that not even its own practitioners can agree on exactly what means what). And I think the same sort of thing can expain lumping people like DT and RF together -- they're both guitarists, they both play somewhere in the progressive rock/fusion/ambient quadrant (for lack of a better term), they both do solo guitar loop concerts, they've both served as sidemen to David Sylvian... hell, they even share the same rhythm section some of the time! So while I completely agree that there are very profound distinctions to be made between those two, I also think that there are legitimate reasons they're associated with one another. Overly simplistic reasons, to be sure, but not inexcusable ones. As for why Fripp always gets held up as an icon of looping, I've delved into that in much detail in the past. But to make the point in a different way (and maybe to get a different sort of thread going), might I suggest that we try and list as many different real-time loopists as we can? And when I say real-time, I'm referring to the sort of instantaneous, sample or delay-based looping of a source sound that tends to be the common link between most of us on the list. And part of the idea of this is to single out people who have a particularly strong image in the public or general consciousness for doing this sort of thing. Here's my beginning (in roughly chronological order): -- Terry Riley -- Brian Eno -- Robert Fripp -- David Torn -- Paul Dresher -- Bill Frissel -- Michael Brook Any others? Now, of the above artists, how many have made a consistent and frequent habit of doing their thing in front of audiences? How many of them have taken their looping and put it out in front of people in a way that really keys them in to what's going on? My point here is that if you want to eliminate misconceptions about looping (or anything else, for that matter), you've got to get a sense of why these misconceptions exist in the first place. Fripp isn't the be-all and end-all of looping, nor does he ever profess to be, so far as I'm aware. (And just for the record, he's not my favorite of the lot above, either.) But if you wonder why he gets pegged with the lion's share of the attention, look at who else has done as much intrinsically loop-based live performance as he has, for as long as he has. You might find it to beĉa short list indeed. --Andre http://home.earthlink.net/~altruist Or worse, that fripp's is the only > name mentioned in a reference to looping. I don't think it's a disrespect > of fripp at all, more like annoyance that people don't seem to be really > listening to what they've done with looping, or that credit isn't being > given to the people who were doing this long before Fripp or who were much > more innovative in their use of loops than Fripp has been. Fripp certainly > popularized this approach for some people, but maybe it's time to give more > credit out where it's due? > > kim "stirring shit up again" flint > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun May 03 00:01:25 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:20:41 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVs8f-0004fg-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 23:20:41 -0700 Message-ID: <354C0E3B.3640@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 23:27:06 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Squarepusher on 52nd. References: <01bd759f$f23ee560$05024382@pentium-200> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CGthH.A.7LE.XwAT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5426 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:20:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 874937afe41020df0d6c1351fd3c4423 Woehni wrote: > Have any of you tried recording guitar over music such as Squarepusher?? I`m wondering > if it might be "too much" stuff going on , with the busy groove and all that , to actually improvise some guitar over it. Here are a few guitar+jungle albums: -- David Bowie, "Earthling." Surprisingly effective in places, though the marriage between noisy, metallic guitars and skittering beats is sometimes a bit awkward. -- Derek Bailey, "Guitar Drums & Bass." Bailey improvises his patented avante-guitar skronk over beats by Laswell collaborator DJ Ninj. I wasn't too crazy about it, personally. -- Bill Nelson, "After The Sattelite Sings." Largely a song-oriented, vocal affair; about half of the tunes on here are jungle-oriented. Pretty good. -- Pitchshifter, "www.pitchshifter.com" Yes, that's actually the name of the album. Kind of '90s hard-edged alternative rock with programmed beats, including a few in the 160+ BPM zone (they actually list the tempos for each tune, which is the first time I've seen a rock band do that). -- Goldie, "Saturnz Return." This two-CD set is a sprawling, pretentious mess -- a very good 45-minute album is hidden somewhere within the rampantly boring excess herein. There's some punkish guitar played by one of the guys from Oasis on one of the album's bright spots, "Temper Temper," which also features the unintentionally comical sound of Goldie doing a Henry Rollins impersonation. There's some smooth-jazz styled horrors elsewhere on the disc, replete with slick, clean-toned guitars. Can you tell I'm not crazy about this one? From ???@??? Sun May 03 13:12:42 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 3 May 1998 05:00:07 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVxR7-00041l-00; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:00:05 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980503115552.006d8a00@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 13:55:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Roland SP808? Resent-Message-ID: <"7PmE8C.A.SjD.HtFT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5427 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 05:00:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 0b1f728b9e9dbb349cb3278a84ccc164 > >Not to say the MPC is not a great sampler - I love it, and I'd certianly >rather have it than a Roland product. It just seems that Akai tends to term it >a "sampling drum machine" rather than a "sampler AND drum machine". > Hi guys I'd like to have more in deep info on the Akai MPC 2000. Any user out there? thanks leo From ???@??? Sun May 03 13:12:43 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 3 May 1998 05:54:12 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVyHT-0005Ie-00; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:54:11 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVyHV-0002MZ-00; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:54:13 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yVyHR-0005IN-00; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:54:09 -0700 From: "Woehni" To: , Subject: SV: Squarepusher on 52nd. Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:42:44 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd7690$f849db80$d2004382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"NBDNCB.A.7xE.cgGT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5428 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 05:54:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 588ab9900554a696307297093b73cd57 Andre wrote: >At the risk of overexposing myself, I've got some online sound files of >my music which is primarily (ta da...) electric guitar over jungle >beats. In fact, I'm under the impression that those files were Thomas >"Woheni"s first taste of drum 'n bass, based upon mail he sent me. Yep , I finally got a loose idea of the genres through your demo and the questions I asked you. I`m very new to electronic music , and I realize now how much Im missing. (On that note , Herbalizer is playing a small JazzFestival in norway this summer. Is he influenced by Jazz , or is it "just a fad"??) For the record , I think your demo and guitarplaying is absolutely superb!!! Obviously , the soundquality and the short soundclips on a "net-demo" don`t do anybody justice , but I loved it!! I urge everyone on the list to check Andre`s demo out , and everyones elses , for that matter. After all , this list is about music , not words. If anyone here has a demo lying on the net I hope you post the URL so we can "check each other out." Yours Thomas W From ???@??? Sun May 03 13:12:45 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 3 May 1998 09:49:08 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yW1wo-0003rr-00; Sun, 3 May 1998 09:49:06 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980503114651.006a1024@mail.txdirect.net> X-Sender: zom@mail.txdirect.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 11:46:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: zom Subject: Clipper Ship show??? In-Reply-To: <852565F7.0055D169.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HVNwrC.A.ZaD.48JT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5429 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 09:49:06 -0700 X-UIDL: dbe08ba7097a8bd065383669c53c3b36 allo all....I have a question, but being a semi-lurker and forgetting who's who round here from time to time, forgive the stupidity of the following: which one of you loop-heads is playing a little show at the Clipper Ship Bookstore in San Antonio sometime soon? I live here...and have contemplated doing a show or two there myself....anyway, I was talking to the proprietor of said bookstore about that show and was intruiged... DIY electronic music, Zineage, and more: http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/ From ???@??? Sun May 03 18:35:59 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:53:02 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yW6gv-00067I-00; Sun, 3 May 1998 14:53:01 -0700 Message-ID: <19980503214524.17331.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:45:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: DOD DFX98 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"pG1enB.A.ReF.ZYOT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5430 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:53:01 -0700 X-UIDL: e7770dd529b8a53afece66d17282bf7d 93 ---Tom Johnson wrote: > > I found this on Harmony Central: > DFX98 EchoMatic Digital Delay/Sampler $179.95 > > Thought you might be interested . . . > > Tom Johnson Heh. Musicians Friend has 'em for $99. I got one on order right now, and if I like it enough, gonna get another. 93 Rev. DOubt-GOat _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sun May 03 18:36:01 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 3 May 1998 15:01:33 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yW6pA-0006eQ-00; Sun, 3 May 1998 15:01:32 -0700 Message-ID: <19980503220345.16943.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 15:03:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: jamman schematic and Boomerang vs. BOSS delay? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"qtzCXB.A.1-F.rgOT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5431 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 15:01:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 3de54087d2f5036ce46e83cc7fbb1564 93 ---Kim Flint wrote: Which reminds me: some time back, > Greg Hogan sent me service manuals for both the JamMan and Vortex so that > they can be included on the Looper's Delight pages. I haven't had time to > scan them or do anything about it. Do any of you jamman/vortex users have a > decent scanner and feel motivated about doing this? The manuals include > schematics, explanations of the onboard hardware tests, bringup and repair > guides, etc., and would probably be a nice thing to have out in the public > domain. Volunteers? > > kim What the hey, I got a scanner and I gots the time (more or less). Ship 'em to me. 93 Rev. DOubt-GOat _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sun May 03 18:36:04 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 3 May 1998 16:34:36 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yW8HE-0002gD-00; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:34:36 -0700 From: Crossedout Message-ID: <50974e27.354cfe05@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:30:12 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Roland SP808? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"mRdB7.A.uQC.r4PT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5432 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 16:34:36 -0700 X-UIDL: d21d01f54222a57ada0871e2aa52aa38 In a message dated 98-05-03 07:57:58 EDT, you write: << I'd like to have more in deep info on the Akai MPC 2000. Any user out there? >> What do you want to know? - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Mon May 04 00:19:52 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:38:48 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWB9T-0003G6-00; Sun, 3 May 1998 19:38:47 -0700 Message-ID: <19980504023421.23984.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: hypnotic music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"k0iUAD.A.A0C.wlST1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5433 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:38:47 -0700 X-UIDL: d602152891530e499842fd410d17c064 John Parada, On your website you wrote: Side B is a musical side, using the original applied theories and concepts of hypnotic frequency tonal variation and axiomatic varied polyrhythmic induction. John, would you elaborate on the meaning and characteristics of "hypnotic frequency tonal variation, and axiomatic varied polyrhythmic induction"? bret ---John + Diane Parada wrote: > > Hi all . I just purchased a Boomerang from rogue Music in Nyc. Between > that, my analog and digital delays, my ebow and xp300 space station, I > can now make and record some of the sounds I've always wanted to make. I > am in the NYC area. I am interested in hypnosis, meditation and music > and live performance of those combinations . Is there anyone who shares > simialr interests in the area? to learn more about me visit my site > > http://www.changenow.com > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon May 04 00:19:55 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 3 May 1998 21:05:04 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWCUx-0006p8-00; Sun, 3 May 1998 21:05:03 -0700 Message-ID: <354D3D3A.F29728E2@mindless.com> Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 22:59:54 -0500 From: Jay Allen Reply-To: thewaxdolls@mindless.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hypnotic music References: <19980504023421.23984.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SV9JV.A.oHG.k1TT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5434 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 21:05:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 592ec3f12e9b9cb3a4ac9e5a126d2c3b i noticed that in the original message, John wrote he uses his space station to make sounds he always wanted to. I got one a couple of months ago, and i have found that only the strings are really any good, the rest of the sounds i could make with various combinations of other pedals. I have also found the ring modulator sounds to be really weak compared to my colorsound ring modulator. what do you all think? Jay Allen the wax dolls http://members.aol.com/Eddie96848/gig.htm Bret wrote: > John Parada, > On your website you wrote: > > Side B is a musical side, using the original applied theories and > concepts of hypnotic frequency tonal variation and axiomatic varied > polyrhythmic induction. > > John, would you elaborate on the meaning and characteristics of > "hypnotic frequency tonal variation, and axiomatic varied polyrhythmic > induction"? > > bret > > ---John + Diane Parada wrote: > > > > Hi all . I just purchased a Boomerang from rogue Music in Nyc. Between > > that, my analog and digital delays, my ebow and xp300 space station, I > > can now make and record some of the sounds I've always wanted to > make. I > > am in the NYC area. I am interested in hypnosis, meditation and music > > and live performance of those combinations . Is there anyone who > shares > > simialr interests in the area? to learn more about me visit my site > > > > http://www.changenow.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon May 04 00:20:02 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:42:40 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWExS-0004iI-00; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:42:38 -0700 Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BD7733.04D139A0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: Dinosaur music Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 07:45:20 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jeiopD.A.-LE.4JWT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5435 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:42:38 -0700 X-UIDL: f98913cda7ce57235f1b418b2bb9a71c yes, there's loop content in here if you look closely. -Michael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Von: Dave Aftandilian [SMTP:da@press.uchicago.edu] Gesendet am: Sonntag, 3. Mai 1998 22:21 An: acoustic-ecology@sfu.ca Betreff: Dinosaur music According to the 18 April 98 issue of NEW SCIENTIST, researchers Tom Williamson of the New Mexico Museum of Natural History and Carl Diegert of Sandia National Laboratories took a CAT scan of the skull of the so-called "trombone duckbill" hadrosaur *Parasaurolophus*. They found that the hollow crest with long, looped tubes from the nostrils up to the top of the crest and then back down toward the throat "would have put on an impressive performance" whether or not the dinosaur possessed vocal organs. "Without vocal organs, it could have got sounds to resonate in the crest just as you cna produce noises by blowing across the top of a bottle. The result would have been a very low note (similar in pitch to the lowest note on a piano). With vocal organs, it would have been rather more musical, producing a wider repertoire of frequencies. The sound has been compared to that of a didgeridoo." I don't have sound capabilities on this computer, but more information can be found at and the sounds can supposedly be heard on the web at: http://www.nmmnh-abq.mus.nm.us/nmmnh/parasound.html -- Dave From ???@??? Mon May 04 11:18:26 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:08:31 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWNn3-0000UL-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:08:29 -0700 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <904087a3.354de635@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:00:52 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dinosaur music Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"EbwNDD.A.vPH.iZeT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5436 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:08:29 -0700 X-UIDL: d7ae794dd3fa37b1477ecec83c392d1c WOW! What an effect! Best, the LoOpdOctOrs From ???@??? Mon May 04 11:18:33 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 10:05:55 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWOgZ-0004nz-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:05:51 -0700 Message-ID: <354DF430.4283@efn.org> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:00:32 -0700 From: Peter Harlan Reply-To: pharlan@efn.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: pharlan@efn.org Subject: I got loop! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vPFbL.A.V8D.UQfT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5437 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 10:05:51 -0700 X-UIDL: d894ca3d42ea472351b4466029a03b68 I only had a an hour or so to play around with my new Echoplex DP yesterday--just enough to whet my appetite, but OMG! This thing is amazing! Only one problem: after I've been playing a while, my wife yells upstairs, "Why don't you PLAY something? That's driving me crazy!" Uh oh. Looks like I may have to get out the old headphones... Well, I've only got one question at this point, and it seems so simple, that I feel stupid asking it, but how do you solo over your loop without recording anything? I did read the manual from cover to cover, but I can't seem to find anything that addresses this. After hitting "record", playing a bit, then "record" again, I have a loop going, but everything I play after that is also recorded, as if I'm overdubbing. It never goes back to play mode. What am I doing wrong? I was able to keep hitting "undo" to avoid recording over my loop, but that gets to be very annoying, especially on shorter loops. Also, I should say that I reset to factory defaults, so this isn't being caused by any inadvertent programming on my part. I was using an Alesis footswitch plugged into the footpedal jack on the EDP. From ???@??? Mon May 04 11:18:43 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:06:27 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWPdB-0001b1-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:06:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:58:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805041758.MAA18350@mail2.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: Clipper Ship show? San Antonio, May 22nd Resent-Message-ID: <"_0PUdB.A.8z.zHgT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5438 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:06:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 8493549068cca1c9487efbf42d4b7dd9 >which one of you loop-heads is playing a little show at the Clipper Ship >Bookstore in San Antonio sometime soon? I live here...and have contemplated >doing a show or two there myself....anyway, I was talking to the proprietor >of said bookstore about that show and was intruiged... hi, Travis Hartnett (from Austin) will be playing, as well as myself (james rhodes) im pretty sure Travis will be playing guitar...he could tell you more. i will be playing Chapman Stick/Keys,,,and maybe some other stringed instruments its a free show and its at the Clippership Bookstore (great old/used books etc.) at 7:00pm Fri, May 22nd 722 Balcones Heights Rd. (at Babcock) (210) 734-5409 San Antonio, TX the Clippership features poetry/spoken word on Monday nights, and features eclectic experimental,,,and not so experimental live music... great books,,,and music to read them by hope folks can come out thanks, james From ???@??? Mon May 04 20:39:35 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:08:56 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWQbe-0007Am-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:08:54 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980504185702.009a82dc@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:57:02 -0700 To: pharlan@efn.org, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: I got loop! Cc: pharlan@efn.org Resent-Message-ID: <"dZ1Vs.A.19F.8BhT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5439 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:08:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 216895480d4d24109d80f21af7912ca3 At 10:00 AM 5/4/98 -0700, Peter Harlan wrote: >Well, I've only got one question at this point, and it seems so >simple, that I feel stupid asking it, but how do you solo over your >loop without recording anything? I did read the manual from cover >to cover, but I can't seem to find anything that addresses this. >After hitting "record", playing a bit, then "record" again, I have >a loop going, but everything I play after that is also recorded, as >if I'm overdubbing. It never goes back to play mode. What am I doing >wrong? I was able to keep hitting "undo" to avoid recording over my >loop, but that gets to be very annoying, especially on shorter loops. > >Also, I should say that I reset to factory defaults, so this isn't >being caused by any inadvertent programming on my part. I was using >an Alesis footswitch plugged into the footpedal jack on the EDP. It sounds like either: a) you've got the Loop/delay parameter set to delay, in which case you want to set it back to Loop. (The overdub LED would be always green if this is the case.) or b) something funky is happening with the pedal you are using, and it is causing overdub to turn on all the time. (The overdub LED would be always red in this case.) Try removing the pedal and using the front panel controls to see if it makes a difference. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon May 04 20:39:39 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:25:33 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWQrk-00018y-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:25:32 -0700 Message-ID: <354E14D9.7BC9@efn.org> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:19:53 -0700 From: Peter Harlan Reply-To: pharlan@efn.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: pharlan@efn.org Subject: Re: I got loop! References: <2.2.32.19980504185702.009a82dc@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nIRiZC.A.Lb.IThT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5440 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:25:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 6d2b6a166e9a81914bd0ca6b65f6ff5b Kim Flint wrote: > > It sounds like either: > > a) you've got the Loop/delay parameter set to delay, in which case you want > to set it back to Loop. (The overdub LED would be always green if this is > the case.) > Unless this is the default behavior, it should have been corrected by re-initializing to factory defaults, n'est-ce pas? At least that's what I assumed. > or > > b) something funky is happening with the pedal you are using, and it is > causing overdub to turn on all the time. (The overdub LED would be always > red in this case.) Try removing the pedal and using the front panel controls > to see if it makes a difference. > I should have tried this simple test--I'll do it tonight. Thanks, by the way, to all the other folks who suggested this in private e-mails to me. -Peter From ???@??? Mon May 04 20:39:45 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:23:18 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWRlc-00068L-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:23:16 -0700 Message-ID: <19980504201520.29232.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.94.66.242] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: a few vortex ?'s Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:15:20 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"4IeWLB.A.8CF.EIiT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5441 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:23:16 -0700 X-UIDL: 52b7261487e9c8d5fa4ff804398e6c5b hi there, i've check the looper's delight homepage, and i'm looking for the answers to a few questions: 1) can anyone recommend a "continuous controller" for the vortex? to me, "continuous controlling" is something i do via midi, but the back of the vortex asks for a stereo cable... that is, a midi cable doesn't fit in there. do i just use an insert cable with a volume pedal connected to either side? or is there something i'm missing here? 2) the link to "andy butler's vortex page" on the looper's delight page is dead. is there any chance anyone has a copy of the presets there? i'm having absolutely no problems coming up with weird and inspiring patches for this thing, i'm just wondering what other people are using their vortecies for. 3) is anyone using their vortex with and echoplex? if so, how are you dealing with the stereo/mono thing? i mean, aside from the obvious solution of getting another 'plex. right now, i run from the preamp, through the stereo effects (including vortex), and feed the echoplex from and aux send. i return the 'plex to the board through another channel, which can then again be stereo-ized. i like having the vortex before the echoplex, and i think i want to keep it there. any suggestions for an alternate setup? whew, that was longer than i thought. thanks in advance, matt The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial message... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon May 04 20:39:47 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:07:56 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWSSo-0002N6-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:07:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199805042054.NAA26290@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: a few vortex ?'s Date: Mon, 4 May 98 15:55:43 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"86LlvB.A.jYB.SxiT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5442 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:07:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 81f822bd828443ed77707f6d82fa8990 >3) is anyone using their vortex with and echoplex? if so, how are you >dealing with the stereo/mono thing? i mean, aside from the obvious >solution of getting another 'plex. right now, i run from the preamp, >through the stereo effects (including vortex), and feed the echoplex >from and aux send. i return the 'plex to the board through another >channel, which can then again be stereo-ized. i like having the vortex >before the echoplex, and i think i want to keep it there. any >suggestions for an alternate setup? I use two Vortex--one for live guitar, one after the Echoplex. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon May 04 20:39:48 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:20:00 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWSeU-0003fr-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:19:58 -0700 Message-ID: <19980504210211.546.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:02:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Loops, jungle, Bill Nelson and the Darsan Trio, was Re: Squarepusher on 52nd. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"pAPt1.A.ZsC.08iT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5443 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:19:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 3d1077c015e3380e226ec8a51842e89d 93 ---Andre LaFosse wrote: > > Here are a few guitar+jungle albums: > -- Bill Nelson, "After The Sattelite Sings." Largely a song-oriented, > vocal affair; about half of the tunes on here are jungle-oriented. > Pretty good. Pretty good?!! It's the best vocal album he's ever done! IMHO. And, if you have any training in western occultism, all the lyrics take on very interesting meanings. Does anyone know if Bill Nelson does any loopage? I have practically everything he's done, and I would suppose the closest thing would be the monumental ambient/esoteric offering "Strange Encounters in the Garden of Light". If he doesn't have a looper, he should! As for the jungle and guitar thing, I just did a micro gig (a 25min. set) as the Darsan Trio at the Satyicon in Portland, OR for a tribute to the late Anton Levy. I used an EPS sampler to loop beats lifted from Bill Laswell and King Crimson, slowed down about an octave. Now, I realize that jungle is usually sped up, so what I was doing was not technically jungle, but what the hell, close enough. Over this I looped guitar with ye olde JamMan. I worked with a dancer who used a wireless headset mike that went through my old Digitech 7.6 delay, set to about 4 seconds. She read a couple of poems and caused general vocal mayhem. The JamMan was midi'd to the EPS, but the Digitech was not synched in any way. The dancer wore nothing but silver paint. We were quite the hit, as you might well imagine ;-) 93 Rev. DOubt-Goat Check out the new Darsan Trio web site at http://www.spiritone.com/~skhtmt/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon May 04 20:39:54 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:22:34 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yWTcz-0001WV-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:22:29 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWTcy-0003T4-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:22:28 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWTck-0001UM-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:22:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199805042130.OAA07914@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Space Station (was hypnotic music) Date: Mon, 4 May 98 16:32:17 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"l4vHQ.A.9iG.jnjT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5444 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:22:14 -0700 X-UIDL: f718dc0afadb54dc656b9244b31659e6 >i noticed that in the original message, John wrote he uses his space station >to make sounds he always wanted to. I got one a couple of months ago, and i >have found that only the strings are really any good, the rest of the sounds >i could make with various combinations of other pedals. I have also found >the ring modulator sounds to be really weak compared to my colorsound ring >modulator. what do you all think? I tried it out a few weeks ago on two gigs, and was sort of disappointed. You can't edit the parameters on any of the patches, except to use the expression pedal to vary the parameter that Digitech has chosen (typically wet/dry blend, delay time or volume). The string swell patches were okay, but I've been using a compressor, Whammy Pedal, volume pedal and reverb/delay for years now, which gives me a lot more control of the swell envelope. If you pick very, very, very lightly, there's no pick sound, but above that, you hear the multi-tap delay repeats of your initial attack. The backwards sound was very good. The bizarro sounds (pixelator, ring mod, random pitch shift) weren't enough to make me fork over $200. I believe there was also a few auto-wah patches. If you don't have much in the way of effects, it may be a great buy for you. If you've already got a Field Of LED's, you may want to demo before purchase. Travis From ???@??? Mon May 04 20:39:54 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:22:18 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWTci-0001Tz-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:22:12 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980504170210.006ab808@mail.txdirect.net> X-Sender: zom@mail.txdirect.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 17:02:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: zom Subject: Re: Clipper Ship show? San Antonio, May 22nd In-Reply-To: <199805041758.MAA18350@mail2.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5yaDpB.A.k0G.RqjT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5445 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:22:12 -0700 X-UIDL: 723257a63cd554a797515a57a9c43738 cool... I am going to try and make that show....sounds interesting...you guys come here to SA to loop often?? At 12:58 PM 5/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >>which one of you loop-heads is playing a little show at the Clipper Ship >>Bookstore in San Antonio sometime soon? I live here...and have contemplated >>doing a show or two there myself....anyway, I was talking to the proprietor >>of said bookstore about that show and was intruiged... > >hi, > >Travis Hartnett (from Austin) will be playing, as well as myself (james rhodes) >im pretty sure Travis will be playing guitar...he could tell you more. > >i will be playing Chapman Stick/Keys,,,and maybe some other stringed instruments > >its a free show and its at the Clippership Bookstore (great old/used books >etc.) at 7:00pm Fri, May 22nd > >722 Balcones Heights Rd. (at Babcock) (210) 734-5409 San Antonio, TX > >the Clippership features poetry/spoken word on Monday nights, and features >eclectic experimental,,,and not so experimental live music... > >great books,,,and music to read them by > >hope folks can come out >thanks, >james > > > > DIY electronic music, Zineage, and more: http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/ From ???@??? Mon May 04 20:39:58 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:51:17 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWU4h-0004AF-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:51:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:14:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805042214.RAA07693@mail1.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: "Chance Encounters In The Garden of Lights" Bill Nelson Resent-Message-ID: <"G2lW_.A.JZC.xIkT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5446 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:51:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 00d82439774170f8af9453addc7ac201 just about as good as it gets,,one of my alltime faves. Long out of print, "Chance Encounters..." captures the essence of Spirit driven music. it has touched me many times over the last 10 years... "Never let anything doubt your ability to demonstrate the truth" This Spirit Cannot Fail. B. Nelson later, james At 02:02 PM 5/4/98 -0700, you wrote: >93 > >---Andre LaFosse wrote: > >> >> Here are a few guitar+jungle albums: > >> -- Bill Nelson, "After The Sattelite Sings." Largely a >song-oriented, >> vocal affair; about half of the tunes on here are >jungle-oriented. >> Pretty good. > >Pretty good?!! It's the best vocal album he's ever done! >IMHO. And, if you have any training in western occultism, >all the lyrics take on very interesting meanings. > >Does anyone know if Bill Nelson does any loopage? I have >practically everything he's done, and I would suppose the >closest thing would be the monumental ambient/esoteric >offering "Strange Encounters in the Garden of Light". If >he doesn't have a looper, he should! > >As for the jungle and guitar thing, I just did a micro gig >(a 25min. set) as the Darsan Trio at the Satyicon in >Portland, OR for a tribute to the late Anton Levy. > >I used an EPS sampler to loop beats lifted from Bill >Laswell and King Crimson, slowed down about an octave. >Now, I realize that jungle is usually sped up, so what I >was doing was not technically jungle, but what the hell, >close enough. > >Over this I looped guitar with ye olde JamMan. I worked >with a dancer who used a wireless headset mike that went >through my old Digitech 7.6 delay, set to about 4 seconds. >She read a couple of poems and caused general vocal >mayhem. The JamMan was midi'd to the EPS, but the Digitech >was not synched in any way. The dancer wore nothing but >silver paint. We were quite the hit, as you might well >imagine ;-) > >93 > >Rev. DOubt-Goat > >Check out the new Darsan Trio web site at >http://www.spiritone.com/~skhtmt/ >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From ???@??? Mon May 04 20:40:27 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:28:00 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWUeK-00007c-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:27:56 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980504231913.009f7a88@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 16:19:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loops, jungle, Bill Nelson and the Darsan Trio Resent-Message-ID: <"bd2jCB.A.a7G.K3kT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5447 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:27:56 -0700 X-UIDL: ad643879e01d4da3bc5d80af1f440bdb At 02:02 PM 5/4/98 -0700, Rev. Doubt-Goat wrote: >I used an EPS sampler to loop beats lifted from Bill >Laswell and King Crimson, slowed down about an octave. >Now, I realize that jungle is usually sped up, so what I >was doing was not technically jungle, but what the hell, >close enough. I think if you speed it up, it's jungle, and if you slow it down, it's trip-hop. :-) along that jungle with guitars line, I picked up the Adam F cd "colours" the other day. (I think the cd only just became available in the US.) He used a lot of live musicians/instruments on it, including guitars, over his usual jungle stuff. (also bass, horns, keys, percussion...) A pretty good dnb album actually, that a lot of people were raving about last year. One of the tracks with lots of guitar ("dirty harry") wound up sounding more like rock than jungle, but that's ok since it's better than most of the intentional rock tunes I've heard lately. A good album, I recommend it. Also a good example of ways you might merge jungle rhythms with more traditional instruments. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon May 04 20:40:30 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:05:31 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWVEg-0003O1-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:05:30 -0700 Message-ID: <354E5650.B9B16A74@mindless.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:59:13 -0500 From: Jay Allen Reply-To: thewaxdolls@mindless.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Space Station (was hypnotic music) References: <199805042130.OAA07914@scv2.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LdY4cD.A.KpC.BalT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5448 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:05:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 83cda9c0a1dd70fe7e1d5cb612b14a32 I will disagree with you on the backwards delay. It isnt that great compared to my DD5. Anyway-- What does everyone think about the reissue memory man? i am thinking about buying a second delay pedal and having trouble decideing which on to get. Like i said, i have a Boss DD-5 and i have been thinking about the memory man, that new korg dynamic echo, and that new DOD with 8 seconds of delay. I have been dissappointed with the majority of DOD pedals except for my stereo flanger, and the korg only has upto one second delay time, so can anyone give me some advice? Thanks, Jay Allen thewaxdolls http://members.aol.com/Eddie96848/gig.htm T.W. Hartnett wrote: > >i noticed that in the original message, John wrote he uses his space station > >to make sounds he always wanted to. I got one a couple of months ago, and i > >have found that only the strings are really any good, the rest of the sounds > >i could make with various combinations of other pedals. I have also found > >the ring modulator sounds to be really weak compared to my colorsound ring > >modulator. what do you all think? > > I tried it out a few weeks ago on two gigs, and was sort of disappointed. > You can't edit the parameters on any of the patches, except to use the > expression pedal to vary the parameter that Digitech has chosen > (typically wet/dry blend, delay time or volume). > > The string swell patches were okay, but I've been using a compressor, > Whammy Pedal, volume pedal and reverb/delay for years now, which gives me > a lot more control of the swell envelope. If you pick very, very, very > lightly, there's no pick sound, but above that, you hear the multi-tap > delay repeats of your initial attack. > > The backwards sound was very good. > > The bizarro sounds (pixelator, ring mod, random pitch shift) weren't > enough to make me fork over $200. I believe there was also a few > auto-wah patches. > > If you don't have much in the way of effects, it may be a great buy for > you. If you've already got a Field Of LED's, you may want to demo before > purchase. > > Travis From ???@??? Mon May 04 20:40:40 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:50:51 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWXog-0006aB-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:50:50 -0700 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <75dc8abf.354e7c99@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:42:30 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: a few vortex ?'s Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"hPHoGC.A.CsF.GznT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5449 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:50:50 -0700 X-UIDL: aaf89eff777b87bfa3cc221032ddd47c On the Vortex... There is no midi...a volume pedal will control the morphing capability. We like sending mono loopers into the Vortex so the loop comes out stereo. Best, the LoOpdOctOrs From ???@??? Mon May 04 20:40:41 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:07:06 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yWY4N-0007e9-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:07:03 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWY4O-0001Va-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:07:04 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWY4J-0007dZ-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:06:59 -0700 Message-ID: <354E831D.7AFB@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 20:10:21 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loops, jungle, Bill Nelson and the Darsan Trio, was Re: Squarepusher on 52nd. References: <19980504210211.546.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F45PRB.A.GxG.6DoT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5450 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:06:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 99763378a29533d195ae9da22416be95 Rev. Doubt-Goat wrote: > ---Andre LaFosse wrote: > > -- Bill Nelson, "After The Sattelite Sings." Largely a > song-oriented, > > vocal affair; about half of the tunes on here are > jungle-oriented. > > Pretty good. > > Pretty good?!! It's the best vocal album he's ever done! Sorry to raise the proverbial ire. Like anything else I write, "pretty good" is more a reflection of my personal reaction -- in the case of the above posting, in terms of how it integrates jungle into the compositional elements of the tunes. I'm no Nelson expert, though, so I'll gladly defer to your judgement on how it rates in terms of his other material. > IMHO. And, if you have any training in western occultism, > all the lyrics take on very interesting meanings. Even though I don't know his music, I do really like a lot of the songs on there quite a bit, regardless of the rhythmic element (or the occult overtones, for that matter). There's a certain ultra-glossy sheen to the sound that I'm not nuts about, but again, that's just my own take on it. Then again, ultra-glossy sheens aren't necessarily a bad thing, especially based upon your description of your gig partner's "attire." Wonder what would have happened if you'd done *that* piece at Starbucks. Anyway... --Andre > > Does anyone know if Bill Nelson does any loopage? I have > practically everything he's done, and I would suppose the > closest thing would be the monumental ambient/esoteric > offering "Strange Encounters in the Garden of Light". If > he doesn't have a looper, he should! > > As for the jungle and guitar thing, I just did a micro gig > (a 25min. set) as the Darsan Trio at the Satyicon in > Portland, OR for a tribute to the late Anton Levy. > > I used an EPS sampler to loop beats lifted from Bill > Laswell and King Crimson, slowed down about an octave. > Now, I realize that jungle is usually sped up, so what I > was doing was not technically jungle, but what the hell, > close enough. > > Over this I looped guitar with ye olde JamMan. I worked > with a dancer who used a wireless headset mike that went > through my old Digitech 7.6 delay, set to about 4 seconds. > She read a couple of poems and caused general vocal > mayhem. The JamMan was midi'd to the EPS, but the Digitech > was not synched in any way. The dancer wore nothing but > silver paint. We were quite the hit, as you might well > imagine ;-) > > 93 > > Rev. DOubt-Goat > > Check out the new Darsan Trio web site at > http://www.spiritone.com/~skhtmt/ > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon May 04 22:10:45 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 21:38:44 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWZV4-0004uu-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 21:38:42 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWZV6-0002wI-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 21:38:44 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWZV1-0004ua-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 21:38:39 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:35:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199805050535.XAA19017@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx Subject: anybody? Resent-Message-ID: <"0whQbC.A.rSE.mapT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5451 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 21:38:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 207eb614d67d6749b323ad059a11421b IĞll be in Paris and London next month (vacation,sort of) ,IĞd love to meet Loopers located there,we could Jam,loop, and maybe go to a gig or two,IĞm not asking for shelter :-) just for 3 hours of an afternoon,besides,beer is on me! smaug. From ???@??? Tue May 05 10:22:11 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:56:06 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWahw-00015j-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:56:04 -0700 From: CORROSIVE Message-ID: <57d7874c.354ea873@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 01:49:36 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: loop artists connection? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"vC6nx.A.5l.ViqT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5452 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:56:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 4e16977dcfe2095f036d1c30099b4355 I've recently been reading posts where people in different parts of the country are looking for other similarly inclined musicians to make noise with... I was wondering if anybody knows a way of hooking up w/people locally without each one of us having to post and say where we are? by the way, i'm looking to put a band/project together in Portland, OR. thanks From ???@??? Tue May 05 10:22:15 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 5 May 1998 01:56:49 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWdWq-0007ja-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:56:48 -0700 From: "JF. Carter" Message-Id: <199805050851.JAA18832@zeus.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Red hot EDP questions To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:51:08 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sAHMyC.A.RBH.vMtT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5453 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 01:56:48 -0700 X-UIDL: e1e22546d25dd895d2db824f4bacaa57 Dear All, having had my Echoplex for about two months I have a few comments and questions: Firstly, thanks to all who designed this wonderful box of tricks. Secondly, I find that after a couple of hours of insane, dreamy ambience the thing is so hot that strange and annoying things happen. (I should mention that I'm running on UK voltage, 230V) Most worrying the mains plug frequently gets so warm the plastic softens and it looses contact momentarily, naturally resetting the EDP and loosing my prize loop. I have tried this with half a dozen diffent leads with the same result. Less worrying - strange things start to happen to the control functions. Foremost amonst these is that starts acting like , this can produce some intersting results but is still annoying. Is this a result of the input voltage? I guess my only option is to fit a fan in the rack case. Still, I wouldn't change my EDP for all the other processing boxes on the market. Jim Carter From ???@??? Tue May 05 10:22:30 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:08:14 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWiOD-0001v9-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:08:13 -0700 Message-ID: <354ED5DA.79B855EF@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:03:23 +0100 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thewaxdolls@mindless.com, "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: memory man reissues and pedals in general References: <199805042130.OAA07914@scv2.apple.com> <354E5650.B9B16A74@mindless.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"08djZ.A.WZB.3uxT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5454 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:08:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 13ee1c8bc25fecba6bc811dfc1fa6378 Jay Allen wrote: > I will disagree with you on the backwards delay. It isnt that great compared to > my DD5. Anyway-- What does everyone think about the reissue memory man? i am > thinking about buying a second delay pedal and having trouble decideing which on > to get. I just got one a while ago, and have been in the process of breaking it in. Here are my first impressions (and I am using my Ibanez AD-9 analog delay and my Boss pitchshifter/delay [pd-4?] as benchmarks. Good: The quality of the delay is warm, round, organic and fuzzy. No irritating pick clangs repeated a la Boss (or any other modern digital delay I have used. Good: Volume of your guitar does not drop significantly when pedal is engaged (like most analog delay pedals I have used) I could never figure out why this was, but never ceases to piss me off. Good: The vibrato, in particular, is a lot of fun. Too bad there isn't a separate switch for it. Bad: The feedback on it is really weird: you get one really loud tap, and several much quieter repeats. This is the pedal's main drawback, IMHO. I like one or two good repeats (like a tapped delay) with medium delay times. The quality of the delay makes up for a lot, though. Bad: There is a gain control that cannot be bypassed. Perhaps on further inspection, one of us could figure out how to do it, but it would be great to be able to set the volume of your effects pedals (see addendum). Bad: If someone can get useful runaway out of one of these badboys, let me know how. If you jack up the feedback and start it whistling, the output has no effect so you squeaks are way too loud. The AD-9 is the king of this. Addendum: I am giving away the trade secrets to my spectacularly successful fx box company that exists only in my own mind. Anybody who wants to use these ideas is free to, so long as you make me a few pedals as well: 1) fx pedals should have their own volume and tone controls. Digital delay pedals need to have a knob where you can roll off the highs (lows would be nice too). Distortion pedals need to have (IMHO) a guitar type pot with a low value cap (like old tele's did) to roll of the highs BEFORE you hit the clipper. Compressor need to have the ability their tone rolled down (or have your own tone settings). I built (with a lot of help from a friend of mine) a passive effects looper that had their own volume and tone controls for each loop. It's great, but hassle to use, because I use just about every conceivable combination of the 4-7 pedals on the floor. 2) fx pedals never seem to have enough gain going out. I don't know why. Maybe you do. Maybe it was too many Husker Du records as a child, but I firmly believe that distortion should be louder than your clean sound (except for that extra pedal you keep set low so you can be insanely distorted at very low volumes). 3) Can we agree one where the in/out jacks are going to be? I have thirty different patchcords (straight to straight, angle to angle, straight to angle, etc. etc.) so that I can keep my fx boxes within two feet of each other. Personally, I think having the jacks on the top is kind of nice. 4) Wouldn't it be great if pedals had interlocking tongue and groove locking systems on the side. Bolt all your pedals together, and who needs a pedal board? From ???@??? Tue May 05 10:22:47 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:06:02 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWkEB-0001FS-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:05:59 -0700 From: TSpaul7741 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:59:08 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: I'm Sorta Back Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"SDzAh.A.hq.BezT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5455 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:05:59 -0700 X-UIDL: fa47b2d1b8968c69ec6eb1a82d30f408 Greetings and Salivations- Finally got that home computer goin'...I'm on aol just for the morning, and then I'll be wired to my cable provider from this afternoon on. Just wanted to say Hello to y'all. I've missed talking to everybody. Still trying to do that "full-time" musician thing here in Nashville, with moderate success. Hope everyone is OK....more later... Tom "Silence, like a cancer grows" Spaulding From ???@??? Tue May 05 10:22:52 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:40:21 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWklQ-0004HC-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:40:20 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980505093124.00985e30@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 09:31:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: I'm Sorta Back In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"t7_EmD.A.aSD.m8zT1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5456 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:40:20 -0700 X-UIDL: fa71034e1735c6adfe753b1a7315f45d Tom "The King of Taglines" Spaulding is baaack! Welcome Back! At 11:59 AM 5/5/98 EDT, Tom wrote: >Greetings and Salivations- > >Finally got that home computer goin'...I'm on aol just for the morning, and >then I'll be wired to my cable provider from this afternoon on. Just wanted to >say Hello to y'all. I've missed talking to everybody. Still trying to do that >"full-time" musician thing here in Nashville, with moderate success. Hope >everyone is OK....more later... > >Tom "Silence, like a cancer grows" Spaulding > > > From ???@??? Tue May 05 10:22:54 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:57:05 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWl1c-0005mN-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:57:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199805051642.JAA14648@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: loop artists connection? Date: Tue, 5 May 98 11:43:25 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"EHzoZ.A.p2E.MN0T1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5457 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:57:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 0413230d0d6380f6985b9e1a50287679 >I've recently been reading posts where people in different parts of the >country are looking for other similarly inclined musicians to make noise >with... I was wondering if anybody knows a way of hooking up w/people locally >without each one of us having to post and say where we are? by the way, i'm >looking to put a band/project together in Portland, OR. The Looper's of the World section on the Looper's Delight page has a fairly complete listing of locations. Travis Hartnett Austin, TX From ???@??? Tue May 05 10:22:55 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:07:45 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWlBv-0006n1-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:07:43 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980505100355.006bbf50@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> X-Sender: cavaleri@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:04:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: I'm Sorta Back Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_jGwb.A.ZzF.VX0T1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5458 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:07:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 51ce03e16c41bc0af01d00aedf2651fa Welcome Sorta Back........ joe At 11:59 AM 5/5/98 EDT, you wrote: >Greetings and Salivations- > >Finally got that home computer goin'...I'm on aol just for the morning, and >then I'll be wired to my cable provider from this afternoon on. Just wanted to >say Hello to y'all. I've missed talking to everybody. Still trying to do that >"full-time" musician thing here in Nashville, with moderate success. Hope >everyone is OK....more later... > >Tom "Silence, like a cancer grows" Spaulding > > > From ???@??? Tue May 05 10:59:29 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:26:51 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWlUP-0000cB-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:26:49 -0700 Message-ID: <354F4A50.1CE4@efn.org> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:20:16 -0700 From: Peter Harlan Reply-To: pharlan@efn.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: pharlan@efn.org Subject: EDP problem solved? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1tUcL.A._QH.0o0T1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5459 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:26:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 5eb60a604bbe598d198a7b9b3cde204f Yesterday, I reported that the Record function on my new Echoplex didn't seem to be working right--everything I played was overdubbing the loop. Well, the problem turned out to be that the Loop/Delay parameter was set to "dEL". Simple enough, I guess, but what I can't figure out is why re-initializing the machine to factory presets didn't fix this. I did that several times on Sunday, with no change to the way the unit was operating. However, last night I set the parm to "LOP" and it worked just fine. Then I changed it back to "dEL" and tried the re-init process, and lo and behold, the parm was reset to "LOP". So, I'm happy everything now works, but still puzzled as to why the Loop/Delay parm wasn't reset the other day. Having had a chance to play around with the EDP for a while now, I am realizing how important it is to have a foot controller that feels right. I'm using two cheap footswitches to trigger Record and Overdub, and I'd planned to get my ART X-15 set up to activate other functions as well as control the feedback level. But now I've pretty much made up my mind to spring for the EFC-7. -Peter From ???@??? Tue May 05 11:57:50 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:02:15 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWm2U-0003Jh-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:02:02 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199805050851.JAA18832@zeus.bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:52:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Red hot EDP questions Resent-Message-ID: <"jtVzf.A.dYC.RI1T1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5460 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:02:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 4b567150d8949369808587c2518b0be6 At 9:51 AM +0100 5/5/98, JF. Carter wrote: >Dear All, > >having had my Echoplex for about two months I have a few comments >and questions: >Firstly, thanks to all who designed this wonderful box of tricks. >Secondly, I find that after a couple of hours of insane, dreamy >ambience the thing is so hot that strange and annoying things happen. >(I should mention that I'm running on UK voltage, 230V) Did you flip the voltage switch on the back to the 230V setting? If it were on 115V and you were powering off 230V, the normally warm echoplex would become positively molten... >Most worrying the mains plug frequently gets so warm the plastic >softens and it looses contact momentarily, naturally resetting the >EDP and loosing my prize loop. I have tried this with half a dozen >diffent leads with the same result. If it's as hot as you say, its more likely that the regulators are going into thermal overload and shutting off. >Less worrying - strange things start to happen to the control functions. >Foremost amonst these is that starts acting like , >this can produce some intersting results but is still annoying. >Is this a result of the input voltage? that's what happens when it is way outside of it's normal temperature range. I only ever made it do that sort of thing by blowing a heat gun on it until it failed. (ie, making it extremely hot.) It should run the same with 115V or 230V, assuming the switch is set right. >I guess my only option is to fit a fan in the rack case. are there other things in the rack generating heat? Or is air flow in the rack limited? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed May 06 09:59:40 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 6 May 1998 04:56:40 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yX2oR-00075Q-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 04:56:39 -0700 Message-ID: <354F5DC4.1240@pop.interport.net> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 18:43:25 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hypnotic music References: <19980504023421.23984.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fXwzeB.A.PaG.07EU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5469 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 04:56:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 8cf990334494094e6506a170fd91b538 brett, Thank you for your visit to my site and for your interest in my theories regarding my two main directions: music and hypnosis. Simply put, both tonal variation and axiomatic polyrhythyms are methods of "musical" hypnotic induction I use and experiment with. Since hypnosis is as far off topic as discussing the benefits of playing a Carvin, I try to restrict my posts to looping and sound questions and comments. If you have any further interest in these theories and would like to correspond by private email, please feel free to do so. Ps. that goes for anyone else who has read this far and would like to correspond about non specific loop based concerns mentioned above. jparada@changenow.com http://www.changenow.com From ???@??? Wed May 06 00:23:20 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:52:23 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWpdN-00043h-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 14:52:21 -0700 Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <354F83E8.51D46758@csi.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 23:26:00 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: MIDI Looping Control Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MbQPo.A.rUD.6i4T1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5461 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:52:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 040edcbc6f948223996cd5903f2c563f No one responded to this when I posted it a while back but it was on a different thread. Maybe one of you can help me? Is it possible to convert MIDI note messages from a MIDI device (drum pads) to MIDI program change messages for the Jamman? Are there any commercial units (programmable?) available which can do this? Alternative: Can I use drum triggers to operate my Jamman instead of footpedals? From ???@??? Wed May 06 00:23:21 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:02:23 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWpn2-0004xh-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:02:20 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWpn2-0001jI-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:02:20 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWpmz-0004xG-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:02:17 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:56:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: MIDI Looping Control Resent-Message-ID: <"qqbvwC.A.3JE.Ds4T1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5462 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:02:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 9ea5c915e0de9a0937674919f1097135 >No one responded to this when I posted it a while back but it was on a >different thread. Maybe one of you can help me? >Is it possible to convert MIDI note messages from a MIDI device (drum >pads) to MIDI program change messages for the Jamman? >Are there any commercial units (programmable?) available which can do >this? This could be done easily in software with opcode's MAX, but then you'd be stuck with having to take a computer to gigs. Don't know about a hardware device that would do it though. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Wed May 06 00:23:22 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:07:08 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWprY-0005Ts-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:07:00 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199805052201.PAA15725@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: MIDI Looping Control To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:01:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <354F83E8.51D46758@csi.com> from "Cummings" at May 5, 98 11:26:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fLroCC.A.qkE.Bx4T1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5463 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:07:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 04201a46ace53e8e4c6b514a4d6f98f1 > No one responded to this when I posted it a while back but it was on a > different thread. Maybe one of you can help me? > Is it possible to convert MIDI note messages from a MIDI device (drum > pads) to MIDI program change messages for the Jamman? I believe the software known as Max (distributed by Opcode for the Macintosh and, I think, IRCAM (the Paris-based music research facility) for NeXT and SGI) may be able to do this. However you will need a computer (Macintosh, NeXT, or SGI). For live gigs, folks have successfully used Mac Powerbooks to run Max. Cheers, Paolo From ???@??? Wed May 06 00:23:23 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:26:47 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWqAg-00075P-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:26:46 -0700 X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199805052201.PAA15725@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> References: <354F83E8.51D46758@csi.com> from "Cummings" at May 5, 98 11:26:00 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:22:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: MIDI Looping Control Resent-Message-ID: <"wCW8qB.A.7LG.cD5T1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5464 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:26:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 5a928e6c9e7db865539d5cc5f737c71b At 15:01 -0700 5/5/98, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > No one responded to this when I posted it a while back but it was on a > > different thread. Maybe one of you can help me? > > Is it possible to convert MIDI note messages from a MIDI device (drum > > pads) to MIDI program change messages for the Jamman? > > I believe the software known as Max (distributed by Opcode for the Macintosh > and, I think, IRCAM (the Paris-based music research facility) for NeXT and > SGI) may be able to do this. However you will need a computer (Macintosh, > NeXT, or SGI). For live gigs, folks have successfully used Mac Powerbooks > to run Max. I work for Opcode so I don't want to dis the software solution entirely :) but it does seem like overkill for changing bytes like "9x kk vv" into "Cx kk". Sure, there are plenty of other great things to do with Max once you've got it ... :) I haven't gotten around to installing my Peavey PC-1600's 2.0 software update yet, but one of the new features is: you can send it a program change or note on/off and have that trigger one of the 16 buttons, which in turn can send any MIDI string you like. That would do the trick. The PC-1600 is a really wonderful general-purpose piece of gear. I use it for editing synth patches on the fly, starting/stopping the (computer-based) sequencer, triggering sampled loops live, controlling volumes ... now if I only had an effects processor that had anything resembling good realtime control ... (my current looper is a Sony DPS-D7 which has some real cool multitap delay patches, but it's noisy, only has 2.7 seconds, and has a very broken MIDI implementation). Doug (Andre and Dave T: your music arrived today ... just starting to listen ... !) -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com Sonosphere (electric/improv music) http://www.sonosphere.com/ "Accidental Beauties" CD release: http://www.sonosphere.com/wyatt/ From ???@??? Wed May 06 00:23:36 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 5 May 1998 22:46:14 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWx1x-0002MN-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:46:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199805060541.BAA20122@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: MIDI Looping Control Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 01:40:07 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"l6oPtD.A.35B.Nh_T1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5465 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 22:46:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 232589ab1cbbac9c4ca2590c56503496 > No one responded to this when I posted it a while back but it was on a > different thread. Maybe one of you can help me? > Is it possible to convert MIDI note messages from a MIDI device (drum > pads) to MIDI program change messages for the Jamman? perhaps one of those "old" anatek pocket solution midi things will do it???? i seem to remember one of them doing translation. also - search a Craig Anderton site or 'projects for electronic musicians' type book - perhaps he's got a schematic whereby you can make one or have it made...?? also check the below pages - there's a company called 'midi solutions', too http://www.midi-classics.com http://www.midi-classics.com/hardm.htm#53 > Alternative: Can I use drum triggers to operate my Jamman instead of > footpedals? should be feasible - if they send out a pulse, might be the wrong polarity, though or the JM may need a latch type switch peace, andre' From ???@??? Wed May 06 00:23:37 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:15:57 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWxUi-0003ut-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:15:56 -0700 Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BD78C6.1380D570.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: MIDI Looping Control Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 08:05:48 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZR8ZsD.A.uWD.p7_T1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5466 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:15:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 428f9e77fd65c75c2efe1b963debfe0a > I believe the software known as Max (distributed by Opcode for the Macintosh > and, I think, IRCAM (the Paris-based music research facility) for NeXT and > SGI) may be able to do this. However you will need a computer (Macintosh, > NeXT, or SGI). For live gigs, folks have successfully used Mac Powerbooks > to run Max. can anyone tell me what this would cost? How much for Max, and how much for an appropriate Powerbook? michael peters mpeters@csi.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ From ???@??? Wed May 06 00:23:37 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:31:34 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWxjp-0004ox-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:31:33 -0700 From: CORROSIVE Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 02:27:31 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: oops, simple question... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"8-AbSC.A.xQE.7LAU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5467 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:31:33 -0700 X-UIDL: b31c421e55a5ec15cc82b1f11a924a3e sorry about the simplicity of this question, but i cant find my 'plex manual amongst the piles of stuff here... what's the procedure for re-initializing all plex parameters on startup? i cant seem to get insert to do 'reverse' mode>>>thanks! From ???@??? Wed May 06 09:59:30 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 6 May 1998 00:53:34 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yWz1B-00009Q-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:53:33 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 00:46:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: oops, simple question... Resent-Message-ID: <"I4fR0C.A.qOH._YBU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5468 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 00:53:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 1a096a30b4aad17023362a0cb5fe936c At 2:27 AM -0400 5/6/98, CORROSIVE wrote: >sorry about the simplicity of this question, but i cant find my 'plex manual >amongst the piles of stuff here... what's the procedure for re-initializing >all plex parameters on startup? hold the parameter button down when you power up, keep it held until you get to the reset state. takes about 7 seconds. > i cant seem to get insert to do 'reverse' >mode>>>thanks! go to "Insert mode" parameter, change it to reverse. (looks like REU on the display.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed May 06 09:59:41 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 6 May 1998 05:47:08 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yX3bI-0001CB-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 05:47:08 -0700 Message-ID: <355059A3.664DA708@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 14:37:55 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: double plex problems Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VtHFUC.A.Q3.qqFU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5470 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 05:47:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 9e28525041306bf7c6d19acac39daadc Hi all I'm using my 2 plexes in a stereo pair both slaved to a MMT8 Midi clock MMT>>>Plex 1 in, plex 1 out>>>Plex 2 in exactely the same settings on the 2 plexes plex 1 2 sync in one footswitch to plex 1 boss vol ped as feedback controler plex 1 2 brother synced Here are some problems I have 1- when leaving the brother sync plugged at power on, the plexes refuses to boot 2-when leaving the brother sync plugged at power off, the current state of the settings seems to not being saved properly (looks like Peter harlan's problem "Subject: EDP problem solved?") 3- when you are in sync in (slaved to midi clock) and decide to stop the seq (nomore midi clock). Perform a record (without resetting the loop) : the slave sometimes starts recording something like 0.5 sec later which creates a serious mess. This happens also after a loop reset but lesser also when you stop or loose midi sync the 2 plexes desyncronize very fast specially if you perform footswitch presses Work around: when you stop a synced use of the plex never forget to reprogram the sync parameter to off BTW the normal synced use of plexes works very fine the problem is when you loose or cut the sync 4- when the feedback pedal is plugged in normaly the loop/delay gives you 3 possibilities loop, del, out. In stereo mode the slave doesnt get the 3; only loop and del Wishlist if ever...the plex will get another update assign one midi contr per function with the value beeing the different options, a second set of values could be long presses a reset all edits controler would reset the plex to a known state ( to start clean for the next tune) protect the midi row parameters by some double button presses a function that could cut out a new shorter cycle out of a longer loop or cycle this last one needs more information than I have the time for today so I'll be back.. Bonne journŽe Claude -- Please correct the reply address by deleting this "----" Veuillez corriger mon adresse pour me rŽpondre en effaant a "----" From ???@??? Wed May 06 09:59:49 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 6 May 1998 08:18:11 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yX5xS-0000mU-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:18:10 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: loop artists connection? Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 08:12:42 -0700 Message-ID: <004601bd7901$6a43d340$de1f8ed1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <57d7874c.354ea873@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"42qGiB.A.MP.M3HU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5471 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 08:18:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 9577ee41096b254cdb8f6b929d4b5590 In these computer-age times, what about long-distance collaborations? What about MIDI files sent out over e-mail? Javier Miranda V. Berkeley, CA -----Original Message----- From: CORROSIVE [mailto:CORROSIVE@aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 10:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: loop artists connection? I've recently been reading posts where people in different parts of the country are looking for other similarly inclined musicians to make noise with... I was wondering if anybody knows a way of hooking up w/people locally without each one of us having to post and say where we are? by the way, i'm looking to put a band/project together in Portland, OR. thanks From ???@??? Thu May 07 00:43:12 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:35:56 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yX86j-0002o8-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:35:53 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:29:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: AW: MIDI Looping Control Resent-Message-ID: <"hSkiFB.A.1EC.l3JU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5472 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:35:53 -0700 X-UIDL: fadb2500a74ee9ecbf5834f3df40fd27 > >can anyone tell me what this would cost? How much for Max, and how much for an >appropriate Powerbook? > I believe MAX is about $400, it's been years since I bought my copy. It'll run on a pretty lowly computer, I did lots of stuff with it on a 25 Mhz 68030 Mac IIsi, so you don't need much of a powerbook to run it. I've seen PB 140's for ~$300 lately. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu May 07 00:43:22 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:40:59 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yX97i-0000MS-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:40:58 -0700 Message-ID: <3550AC3A.9B2344D2@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:30:18 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gone Bananas? References: <199805061827.UAA17689@mb05.swip.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_ccVLD.A.KDH.E1KU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5474 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:40:58 -0700 X-UIDL: b741d12527981ccd61e33a6f258bbf54 Mathias I had the same problem the solution: use the phone to finish the transaction Claude Mattias Ribbing wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone here know what is going on at Bananas At Large? I was in > contact with Rick Elswit (via his private email) a while ago. And then I > told him I wanted to order the 'plex and since then he hasn't answered me > (though he said earlier that they would be willing to ship me one). I also > tried bananas@bananas.com but I get no response. Is it just me they are > ignoring or? > > Does anyone know any other stores in the US who would be willing to ship an > Echoplex to Europe? Addresses? > > Thanks, > Mattias "Getting desperate for that 'plex" Ribbing (Sweden) Please correct the reply address by deleting this "----" Veuillez corriger mon adresse pour me rŽpondre en effaant a "----" From ???@??? Thu May 07 00:43:34 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:43:19 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXA62-0005Az-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:43:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199805061932.MAA26428@onyx.sunset.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 12:38:00 -0700 Subject: Looper CD Vol 2 Update From: "Finley Sound Design" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wYjeuC.A.QRE.GvLU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5475 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:43:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 15e4eb8c9d7efc7fc046e515f047e83b Greetings! Just wanted to let everyone know that the Looper CD Vol 2 web page has been updated (including complete track listing). We except the CD to be available for mass consumption mid-June. Stay tuned! The page can be found at: http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/Looper_CD.html Thanks! Matt __________________________________ Matthew F. McCabe Finley Sound Design http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon From ???@??? Thu May 07 00:43:44 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:32:46 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 0yXEc9-0002x4-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:32:45 -0700 Received: from [194.51.92.4] (helo=mail.vtx.ch) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 0yXEc9-0004uZ-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:32:45 -0700 Received: from [194.235.15.40] by mail.vtx.ch (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id AAA3459; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:30:16 +0200 Message-ID: <35510013.2CB2@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 02:28:04 +0200 From: "laurenceb" Reply-To: laurenceb@vtx.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com CC: kflint@annihilist.com Subject: reverse function on echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: 8eae8a7fe8a6dafa7146759bfe5731fb hello to loopers delight. my name is carlo poloni, gutar player, based in geneva switzerland. the question i'd like to submit to this community is the following. i guess it's a simple one but i could not find a tip in loopers delight archives. i was just about to order an echoplex from the states, since oberheim is no more imported in switzerland, when i came across the boomerang at my local music retailer. one really cool function of the rang is reverse. it really turned me on. this raised a question about the reverse function of the echoplex. to activate the function, i nedd to press - if my understanding is correct - three times the "parameters" switch, so as to change the function of the "undo" switch to "reverse". this is not very practical on stage, when performing solos in real time and suddenly wanting to reverse this cool chord or riff. so the question is. is there a way to activate "reverse" (and inactivate) with a single foot movement, so as on the boomerang, and how to ? could you indicate how to, for instance, customize the efc7 footpedal, indicating how to rewire it, or suggest another simple way around ? i am ok with opening boxes, rewiring a few cables and soldering if need be. thanks a lot, it's great to meet you on this site ! carlo poloni From ???@??? Thu May 07 00:43:45 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:40:35 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yXEji-0003b7-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:40:34 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXEji-00056H-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:40:34 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXEje-0003aq-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:40:30 -0700 Message-ID: <35510013.2CB2@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 02:28:04 +0200 From: "laurenceb" Reply-To: laurenceb@vtx.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com CC: kflint@annihilist.com Subject: reverse function on echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AyG9WC.A.rxC.xEQU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5476 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:40:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 8f091e0f4180344da5e1db09c8fd95a1 hello to loopers delight. my name is carlo poloni, gutar player, based in geneva switzerland. the question i'd like to submit to this community is the following. i guess it's a simple one but i could not find a tip in loopers delight archives. i was just about to order an echoplex from the states, since oberheim is no more imported in switzerland, when i came across the boomerang at my local music retailer. one really cool function of the rang is reverse. it really turned me on. this raised a question about the reverse function of the echoplex. to activate the function, i nedd to press - if my understanding is correct - three times the "parameters" switch, so as to change the function of the "undo" switch to "reverse". this is not very practical on stage, when performing solos in real time and suddenly wanting to reverse this cool chord or riff. so the question is. is there a way to activate "reverse" (and inactivate) with a single foot movement, so as on the boomerang, and how to ? could you indicate how to, for instance, customize the efc7 footpedal, indicating how to rewire it, or suggest another simple way around ? i am ok with opening boxes, rewiring a few cables and soldering if need be. thanks a lot, it's great to meet you on this site ! carlo poloni From ???@??? Thu May 07 00:43:48 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:57:45 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXF0J-0004xS-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:57:43 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980507005253.00daecf4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 17:52:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: reverse function on echoplex Resent-Message-ID: <"BP0LAD.A.zNE.UXQU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5477 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:57:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 2128ab319827a7d98f44969b94fa7d5a yeah, we though about that one. You just set the InsertMode parameter to "reverse", and then the insert button becomes the reverse button, and you always have reverse available on a button. kim At 02:28 AM 5/7/98 +0200, you wrote: >hello to loopers delight. my name is carlo poloni, gutar player, based >in geneva switzerland. > >the question i'd like to submit to this community is the following. >i guess it's a simple one but i could not find a tip in loopers delight >archives. > >i was just about to order an echoplex from the states, since oberheim is >no more imported in switzerland, when i came across the boomerang at my >local music retailer. one really cool function of the rang is reverse. >it really turned me on. > >this raised a question about the reverse function of the echoplex. to >activate the function, i nedd to press - if my understanding is correct >- three times the "parameters" switch, so as to change the function of >the "undo" switch to "reverse". this is not very practical on stage, >when performing solos in real time and suddenly wanting to reverse this >cool chord or riff. > >so the question is. is there a way to activate "reverse" (and >inactivate) with a single foot movement, so as on the boomerang, and how >to ? > >could you indicate how to, for instance, customize the efc7 footpedal, >indicating how to rewire it, or suggest another simple way around ? > >i am ok with opening boxes, rewiring a few cables and soldering if need >be. > >thanks a lot, it's great to meet you on this site ! > >carlo poloni > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu May 07 11:06:40 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Thu, 7 May 1998 03:24:28 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yXNql-0007Bn-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:24:27 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXNqk-0004i7-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:24:26 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXNqe-0007B8-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:24:20 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXNqd-0004i5-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:24:19 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXNqb-0007Aq-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:24:17 -0700 Message-ID: <003a01bd79a2$e0aae180$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" , Subject: Fw: a few vortex ?'s Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 06:28:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"D3XP0B.A.9fG.pqYU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5479 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 03:24:17 -0700 X-UIDL: b3d59f28152f8385eb8756e72eb1ee90 Matt Rowe wrote: >2) the link to "andy butler's vortex page" on the looper's delight page >is dead. is there any chance anyone has a copy of the presets there? >i'm having absolutely no problems coming up with weird and inspiring >patches for this thing, i'm just wondering what other people are using >their vortecies for. Andy had a very nice Vortex website. I hope he starts it again, sometime soon. Here are the patches that I found on it in August 1997: Name: Underwater Algorithm: 13 - Shadow A Mix: 32 Output: 64 Mod FX Level: 5 Echo FX Level: 64 Morph A/B: Any Envelope: 5 Echo 1: 1 Echo 2: 4 Feedback 1: 53 Feedback 2: 10 Rate 1: 2 Depth 1: 62 Resonance 1: 64 Rate 2: 46 Depth 2: 50 Resonance 2: 63 Created by: Andy Butler Comments: Tape echo broken up into 4 time stereo, plus synth noises in the background. (Mod FX Level to make them louder.) Name: Background wash Algorithm: 15 - Bleen A Mix: 42 Output: 64 Mod FX Level: 64 Echo FX Level: 64 Morph A/B: Any Envelope: 1 Echo 1: 1 Echo 2: 1 Feedback 1: 38 Feedback 2: 1 Rate 1: 2 Depth 1: 64 Resonance 1: 62 Rate 2: 3 Depth 2: 64 Resonance 2: 64 Created by: Andy Butler Comments: Flutter echoes produced by the resonator. RES 1 controls their regeneration. ENVELOPE will pitch shift them. Name: Autowah Algorithm: 12 - Sweep A Mix: 32 Output: 64 Mod FX Level: 64 Echo FX Level: 1 Morph A/B: Any Envelope: 36 Echo 1: Any Echo 2: Any Feedback 1: Any Feedback 2: Any Rate 1: 2 Depth 1: 37 Resonance 1: 50 Rate 2: Any Depth 2: 1 Resonance 2: 50 Created by: Andy Butler Comments: Set RATE 1 to 1 when the best wah occurs. Name: Roaring Algorithm: 6 - Mosaic B Mix: 64 Output: 64 Mod FX Level: 16 Echo FX Level: 64 Morph A/B: Any Envelope: 1 Echo 1: 5 Echo 2: 5 Feedback 1: 24 Feedback 2: 21 Rate 1: 55 Depth 1: 42 Resonance 1: 60 Rate 2: 58 Depth 2: 61 Resonance 2: 62 Created by: Andy Butler Comments: Kind of organic-industrial. Good on simple rhythms. Name: Mobius Algorithm: 2 - Atmosphere B 9 - Deja Vu B Mix: 64 64 Output: 64 64 Mod FX Level: 64 64 Echo FX Level: 64 64 Morph A/B: 20 50 Envelope: 2 1 Echo 1: 3 3 Echo 2: 4 4 Feedback 1: 61 64 Feedback 2: 1 3 Rate 1: 3 13 Depth 1: 33 33 Resonance 1: 45 45 Rate 2: 24 24 Depth 2: 16 55 Resonance 2: 2 64 Created by: Andy Butler Comments: Build up a polyrhythmic loop then the morph re-orders it into a 7/8 twisted loop which gradually decomposes. Name: ? Algorithm: Mosaic A Mosaic B Mix: 64 64 Output: 64 64 Mod FX Level: 64 64 Echo FX Level: 12 5 Morph A/B: 22 64 Envelope: 16 1 Echo 1: 4 16 Echo 2: 6 16 Feedback 1: 30 28 Feedback 2: 30 28 Rate 1: 41 22 Depth 1: 64 57 Resonance 1: 64 1 Rate 2: 19 12 Depth 2: 30 34 Resonance 2: 7 64 Created by: Mark Kata Comments: Pedal controls morph. One side of the morph includes sine wave feedback that almost obliterates the input signal. I hope you find these patches useful. Also, you may want to check the e-mail archives on Loopers-Delight. Occasionally, loopers submitted Vortex patches. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Thu May 07 11:06:41 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 7 May 1998 03:39:05 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXO4u-0007kq-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:39:04 -0700 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <354F83E8.51D46758@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:33:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: Re: MIDI Looping Control Resent-Message-ID: <"Yyzv7B.A.7EH.d5YU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5480 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 03:39:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 2725f6ed4cdb6f898d150b156a7466a0 ciao >Is it possible to convert MIDI note messages from a MIDI device (drum >pads) to MIDI program change messages for the Jamman? i think with a Drumkat or a Roland old Octapad or the new one SPD-11 or 20, you can program each pad to send a different program change, so it will be easy to control the Jamman. I think i will buy one in the future to control my Jamman with my sticks. And you can control sampler, sound modules, ..... Ciao nic From ???@??? Thu May 07 11:06:48 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 7 May 1998 06:33:05 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXQnI-0005Zi-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 06:33:04 -0700 Message-ID: <3551B6E0.EFF83BF5@mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 09:28:00 -0400 From: Jason Secord X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: anybody? References: <199805050535.XAA19017@servidor.unam.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ci_4zB.A.S4E.PbbU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5481 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 06:33:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 61a34e09a63e9282e04f0e4ba2a17fca how 'bout the ticket to Paris/London? smaug@servidor.unam.mx wrote: > > I´ll be in Paris and London next month (vacation,sort of) ,I´d love to > meet Loopers located there,we could Jam,loop, and maybe go to a gig or > two,I´m not asking for shelter :-) just for 3 hours of an > afternoon,besides,beer is on me! > > smaug. From ???@??? Thu May 07 11:06:54 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:25:17 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXSXs-0003hV-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:25:16 -0700 From: Monk ici Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:16:04 EDT To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: vortex fs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"_tOYa.A.Q4C.gBdU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5482 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:25:16 -0700 X-UIDL: 47a30b47d062e8217f58fd68ffcfaeaf vortex with box and manuals $200 OBO. rich 513 861 1687 From ???@??? Thu May 07 11:06:55 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:38:48 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXSkx-0004nw-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:38:47 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXSkx-0000Jo-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:38:47 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXSku-0004na-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:38:44 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:33:44 -0400 (EDT) From: David Talento X-Sender: legion@omni1 To: Looper's Delight Subject: Re: Looper CD Vol 2 Update In-Reply-To: <199805061932.MAA26428@onyx.sunset.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Yg7ysC.A.nFE.cRdU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5483 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:38:44 -0700 X-UIDL: 12d21d80478c238fc94a3a380879f58c On Wed, 6 May 1998, Finley Sound Design wrote: > Just wanted to let everyone know that the Looper CD Vol 2 web page has been > updated (including complete track listing). We except the CD to be > available for mass consumption mid-June. Stay tuned! I hate to be a newbie but what ever happened to the looper CD#1. I was on the list years ago and sent email a couple times to the guy running it and then never heard another thing. Was it ever completed? If so does anyone have a copy? Sorry if this is old news but I didn't see anyhting about it on the pages... thanks for any info. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From ???@??? Thu May 07 11:07:02 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:57:45 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXTzL-0002on-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:57:43 -0700 X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199805061932.MAA26428@onyx.sunset.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:51:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: Looper CD Vol 2 Update Resent-Message-ID: <"xZ-YZD.A.0DC.UaeU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5484 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:57:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 647378fb20e7bdb4ca3ba39a1e6f6dec At 11:33 -0400 5/7/98, David Talento wrote: > I hate to be a newbie but what ever happened to the looper CD#1. I was on > the list years ago and sent email a couple times to the guy running it and > then never heard another thing. Was it ever completed? If so does anyone > have a copy? > > Sorry if this is old news but I didn't see anyhting about it on the > pages... For that matter ... John Peters, who's organizing #3, seems to have gone incommunicado too ... Hello, John??? (deepest apologies for yanking your chain onlist ....) Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com Sonosphere (electric/improv music) http://www.sonosphere.com/ "Accidental Beauties" CD release: http://www.sonosphere.com/wyatt/ From ???@??? Thu May 07 11:06:35 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 7 May 1998 02:04:45 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXMbc-0004tV-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:04:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980507104505.112f50ea@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 10:45:05 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Digitech RP3 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980507005253.00daecf4@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sk3UV.A.RVE.RgXU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5478 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 02:04:44 -0700 X-UIDL: 9765c823054d48c25e0155b5ec524bb9 Has anyone seen anything about the new banana-yellow DODgitech RP3? As seems to be the trend with these little floormounts it has a phrasetrainer. However this one seems to have footpedal control for it, and bearing in mind the new Digitech looper (however deep its faults) we may be looking at a basic integrated looper. Perhaps. ;) Michael PS On a non-Loop, HOldsworth-related note, was anyone interested in the 2-note-per-chord version of Home I mentioned? It's a bit long to type but I could mail (privately of course) the intro chords to get the idea over. Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- "..man, the road must eventually lead to the whole world. Ain't nowhere else it can go - right?" - Jack Kerouac, "On The Road" --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Thu May 07 22:15:26 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:36:52 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXVXH-0002Zf-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:36:51 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199805061932.MAA26428@onyx.sunset.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:22:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper CD Vol 2 Update Resent-Message-ID: <"YYt25.A.XsB.Q1fU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5485 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:36:51 -0700 X-UIDL: acacb84747f5d368a0fd1f0ac0bf9cc2 At 11:33 AM -0400 5/7/98, David Talento wrote: >On Wed, 6 May 1998, Finley Sound Design wrote: > >> Just wanted to let everyone know that the Looper CD Vol 2 web page has been >> updated (including complete track listing). We except the CD to be >> available for mass consumption mid-June. Stay tuned! > >I hate to be a newbie but what ever happened to the looper CD#1. I was on >the list years ago and sent email a couple times to the guy running it and >then never heard another thing. Was it ever completed? If so does anyone >have a copy? That would be Ray Peck. He popped up several months ago to say he still had everything and would be working on it shortly, but then he disappeared again. No signs of him since. It's probably time to hunt him down again, and maybe get the project to somebody else to manage. Anybody have his email handy and want to try and rouse him? I think he still has people's checks to pay for it too..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu May 07 22:15:35 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:39:14 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXYNl-0007PN-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:39:13 -0700 From: ANET Message-ID: <14aa54e0.355227ff@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:30:38 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 3rd cd project Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"NFP_u.A.GWG.vgiU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5486 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:39:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 74865e5064bf76fc17d81c06de03921d Greetings all; After Doug's chain yanking, thought I should reply. thanks Doug. To date the project has received numerous submissions, some of which may not be up to the quality of the others. So, I have been trying to determine what to do with those submissions in a positive way such that we encourage folks rather than discourage them. Secondly, my job has been yanking my chain as well. FYI, I am a network engineer for IBM here in Rochester, Mn. (enough said). Thirdly, I have been absolutely astounded by some of the submissions. 1)Stefan Keller - flutist extrodinaire. Can't help but to compare to Ian Anderson although the genre comes no-where close. Stefan's understanding of the Flute is outstanding. The first submission: A light hearted piece that dances around. From single notes to harmonic accompniament and then on to, a slightly disharmonic fade out. Very interesting. Its name Fool Moon is descriptive of the piece. The second piece:A chromatic scalar piece with background loops interweaving its own harmonies. This piece is aptly named Crazy Queen. Trace Four (Flute Only): Starts out with a bongo like drum drone. Reminisent of a very determined walk somewhere or perhaps an insesant rain. Mid piece hears flute echos which build up to a out-front flute piece traversing chromatic scales until the melody finds its way for a brief time until the bongo like sounds fade the piece. 2)Doug Wyatt, love that out in space feel, the sound of electric guitar in a bowed manner. Doug submitted two tracks. Very esoteric while being very captivating at the same time. This first submission would be very much a must-have for planetariums across the country showing how the universe and or other orb was created. The piece gives birth to rhymics in the Mixilodian mode of happiness, spontinaity. Very pleasant piece, from relative disorder, then on to order, it ends with a look back. The second submission: Starts in a primordial stew, with sinister intent, but not overbearing a communications with one's self. Mid song- There is a meeting with another sinister entity of which communication carries on until both are very much enjoying their sinister happening, when at once, there appears a modal change which ends in a look back to peacefulness. The Thrid submission: Atonal bell-like harmonies and chord substitutions (jazz feel) with a solid rhythm, exudes, at times an Eastern feel, with resolve to major chordal structures. Slight hesitations, additional melody, and finally the resolve at the end of the piece after a very prolonged search for the final note, ahhhh, not dead yet, the piece ressurrects itself with a little more clamity (very humerous part) an industrial revival. That's all for now, work continues on the project albeit slow. I have begun work with a studio engineer on the mix down stage. Although, we have not, due to my work schedule been able to meet in person yet. Regards; John Peters 3rd CD Project Page P.S. Thanks for the patience, good things take time and we will ensure this project is top notch. Adios for now. From ???@??? Fri May 08 02:37:37 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:57:59 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXgAR-00062T-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 22:57:59 -0700 Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BD7A56.0D6C0100.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: Looper CD Vol 2 Update Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 00:01:17 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NQrEE.A.ZVF.p3pU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5487 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:57:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 47f9e5f8e2b53bdf35cb2043d1df73fa > That would be Ray Peck. He popped up several months ago to say he still had > everything and would be working on it shortly, but then he disappeared > again. No signs of him since. It's probably time to hunt him down again his email used to be rpeck@rpeck.com - I've sent him a msg, let's see if he's still alive... michael peters mpeters@csi.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ From ???@??? Fri May 08 02:37:38 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:12:14 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXgOE-0006mt-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 23:12:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199805080606.CAA07787@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: ProjKCt Two in NYC Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 02:05:40 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4rmtQC.A.XGG.OFqU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5488 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:12:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 02b5f8772234cfa08a30b7790cc45d32 wow... great show... far better than the CDs.. they have develpoed their vibe greatly.. no loops, but some very interactive playing by the boys Fripp, Belew, Gunn. Even a smile almost snuck out on ol' Rob's face!!! Very eclectic buncha sounds, from all quarters... several times you'd hear bass and it was fripp, or hear that trademark burning guitar and it was gunn!!! etc. or an ostinato bass line would turn out to be adrian with the Virtual Drums..... excellent mix, great variety, from gentle space washes to thundering insane rhinos on durms... (wait! there WAS a rhino on drums...! :) ) also got the excellent new Adrian Belew "belewprints"... great stuff - acoustic songs on piano, guiatr, str. quartet, etc... even 2 crimson/thrak tunes done naked... (well, on acoustic anyway)... if you're in long island - go see em on sat at IMAC andre' east From ???@??? Fri May 08 02:37:39 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 8 May 1998 00:16:53 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXhOm-0001Ig-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 00:16:52 -0700 X-From_:keithchegwin@hotmail.com Fri May 08 00:16:50 1998 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for loopers-delight@slip.net id 0yXhOk-0001IM-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 00:16:50 -0700 Received: from [207.82.250.151] (helo=hotmail.com) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com id 0yXhOh-0001aZ-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 00:16:47 -0700 Received: (qmail 23291 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 1998 07:16:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19980508071618.23290.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.175.239.62 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 May 1998 00:16:18 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.175.239.62] From: "chris lamb" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: suscribe Content-Type: text/plain Old-Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 00:16:18 PDT X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 00:16:52 -0700 X-UIDL: ce30e0a8ff424b742896b0b823897712 subscribe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sat May 09 00:31:54 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:58:19 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yY1iE-0007Cp-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 21:58:18 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980508173034.007e8650@philonline.com> X-Sender: cabuay@philonline.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 17:30:34 +0800 To: idm@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "( h r | s" Subject: Fruit Loops In-Reply-To: <19980509032811.2667.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9tmCcB.A.chG.FH-U1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5499 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:58:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 51977d1d72e6706d215f8e9ecceeff73 Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming out anyway? C H R I S MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu From ???@??? Fri May 08 10:16:09 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 8 May 1998 06:15:54 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXn0C-0003sY-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 06:15:52 -0700 Message-ID: <3553037C.E40E725B@vm.temple.edu> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 09:07:08 -0400 From: Sean O'Donnell Reply-To: sodonne@vm.temple.edu Organization: Temple University Center for Research in Human Development and Education X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MIDI Looping Control References: <354F83E8.51D46758@csi.com> from "Cummings" at May 5, 98 11:26:00 pm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N8bI-C.A.gMD.2NwU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5489 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 06:15:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 403eb5b1bb128d25fdeb1668796facd9 Yes! The PC-1600 is great! As far as a real-time, MIDI-controllable effects unit, I suggest looking at Ensoniq's line of FX, like the DP series or even one of the sampler's with FX inputs. I got the SYSEX docs from the company and program my PC-1600 to control up to six or so parameters per effect. Sean Doug Wyatt wrote: > > > The PC-1600 is a really wonderful general-purpose piece of gear. I use it > for editing synth patches on the fly, starting/stopping the > (computer-based) sequencer, triggering sampled loops live, controlling > volumes ... now if I only had an effects processor that had anything > resembling good realtime control ... (my current looper is a Sony DPS-D7 > which has some real cool multitap delay patches, but it's noisy, only has > 2.7 seconds, and has a very broken MIDI implementation). > > Doug > > (Andre and Dave T: your music arrived today ... just starting to listen ... !) > > -- > Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com > Sonosphere (electric/improv music) http://www.sonosphere.com/ > "Accidental Beauties" CD release: http://www.sonosphere.com/wyatt/ From ???@??? Fri May 08 10:16:12 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 8 May 1998 06:30:36 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXnER-0004hD-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 06:30:35 -0700 From: ANET Message-ID: <9a494231.35530751@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:23:26 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 3rd CD Project Update Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"cRegeD.A.lBE.wdwU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5490 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 06:30:35 -0700 X-UIDL: dc0554981aaf4f93e45b82b4c1038e5c 3rd CD Project Update Submittors; Been working the real job too much lately, but that appears to be letting up some, so I am looking forward to re-engaging into the 3rd cd project again. In short, I will be contacting the sound engineer to begin some of the mix down. Keep in mind that this may take a good deal of time. As each piece will be scrutinized for quality standards that meet the rest of the submissions. There is still time for you to submit material or resubmit anything that you would like for consideration. If you have a WEB page and you think it will be around for awhile, please send it to me, and we will include your own promotion via a URL link printed in the CD jacket liner. That way, anyone hearing the CD can go to your web page for more information about you and your products. We will be donating CDs to Kim's web site for the purpose of Loopers Delight maintaining a presence on the WEB. We will roughly follow the guidelines of the 2nd project. Thanks for all of the submissions, I am looking forward to producing a top- notch CD and am honored to work with you. Regards; John Peters 3rd CD Project Page From ???@??? Fri May 08 10:51:00 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:41:23 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXr98-0004QN-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 10:41:22 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXr98-0001CL-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 10:41:22 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXr95-0004Q4-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 10:41:19 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9a494231.35530751@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:31:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 3rd CD Project Update Resent-Message-ID: <"Aui_RD.A.WbD.CH0U1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5491 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:41:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 568505bf5dc3af4b78d3c12a795bfc7c At 9:23 AM -0400 5/8/98, ANET wrote: >down. Keep in mind that this may take a good deal of time. As each piece >will be scrutinized for quality standards that meet the rest of the >submissions. There is still time for you to submit material or resubmit >anything that you would like for consideration. I guess I don't really get this part. What are the "quality standards", and who is making judgements for whether a submission meets them or not? Seems like a rather subjective and potentially touchy area. Do we really feel it's necessary to make such judgements at all? discuss.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri May 08 11:36:26 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:35:38 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXrzd-0000fd-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:35:37 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <355059A3.664DA708@vtx.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:28:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: double plex problems Resent-Message-ID: <"HLZeZC.A.WG.A80U1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5492 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:35:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 52a5273ae97db06b5b09da2bff736c2c Claude wrote: >Hi all > >I'm using my 2 plexes in a stereo pair both slaved to a MMT8 Midi clock > >MMT>>>Plex 1 in, plex 1 out>>>Plex 2 in >exactely the same settings on the 2 plexes >plex 1 2 sync in >one footswitch to plex 1 >boss vol ped as feedback controler >plex 1 2 brother synced > >Here are some problems I have > >1- when leaving the brother sync plugged at power on, the plexes refuses >to boot That sounds like you are using the wrong sort of cable for BrotherSync. You should be using a stereo (TRS) type of cable. Not booting like this usually means that you have a mono cable in BrotherSync. Is that it? >2-when leaving the brother sync plugged at power off, the current state >of the settings seems to not being saved properly (looks like Peter >harlan's problem "Subject: EDP problem solved?") that's weird. Make sure you leave parameters before you turn the power off. When you edit a parameter, it doesn't save to the eeprom until you press parameters to exit that row. If you turn off the power before that, it won't save. Otherwise, if you are using a mono cable in BrotherSync, maybe that's it. >3- when you are in sync in (slaved to midi clock) and decide to stop the >seq (nomore midi clock). >Perform a record (without resetting the loop) : the slave sometimes >starts recording something like 0.5 sec later which creates a serious >mess. This happens also after a loop reset but lesser >also when you stop or loose midi sync the 2 plexes desyncronize very >fast specially if you perform footswitch presses >Work around: when you stop a synced use of the plex never forget to >reprogram the sync parameter to off > >BTW the normal synced use of plexes works very fine the problem is when >you loose or cut the sync Wow! looks like you found a real problem here. Seems like a situation we overlooked somehow. (damn lazy beta testers! :-) ) I guess we'll have to try to figure out a fix for that. And congratulations, this is the first bug report we've had on the v5.0 software! If we ever have Aurisis coffee mugs or something, I'll send you one. :-) For now, if you need this situation, try these workarounds: - change Sync parameter to "off" or "out" if you turn the midi clock off, as you noted. - reset the loop first before recording another, rather than recording it directly. - don't turn the midi clock off, if that's possible. (maybe switch to an empty sequence and leave it running?) these are the sort of strange corner cases that make verification of the echoplex code very, very hard..... >4- when the feedback pedal is plugged in normaly the loop/delay gives >you 3 possibilities loop, del, out. In stereo mode the slave doesnt get >the 3; only loop and del yeah, that one is sort of weird due to the way "out" mode is handled. ("Out" mode is just like loop mode, except the pedal controls the loop output volume instead of feedback. sort of like a mix control at your feet.) The plex detects if there is a pedal plugged in and enables the "out" parameter value if there is. Out mode is then handled in analog. The pedal is used to set a control voltage on a VCA, which sets the loop volume. So there are two problems with stereo here. One is that the slave doesn't detect any pedal so it doesn't show "Out" as a parameter value, and changing the Loop/delay parameter from the master will get them out of whack. Second is that the volume is not being handled digitally, so there is no way for the master to set the slave's volume. So even if we did dream up a way for the master to tell the slave about the pedal over midi, we still wouldn't have a way for it to control the volume there. some ideas: - use midi cont controller pedal for feedback, so that neither of them has the pedal plugged in, and neither shows "out". Naturally, this only applies if you don't want to use the "out" mode. - use a stereo pedal and have one output plugged into each echoplex, so that both detect the pedal and both show "out". This would be the thing if you want "out" mode on a stereo setup. - just live with it. When you change the mode parameter on the master make sure you also change the parameter directly on the slave so that they have the same value. This also applies only when you don't want the out mode. (this is what I do, btw) >Wishlist if ever...the plex will get another update > >assign one midi contr per function with the value beeing the different >options, a second set of values could be long presses yes, I want that one too. it's on the list..... >a reset all edits controler would reset the plex to a known state ( to >start clean for the next tune) got a better plan for that one. :-) >protect the midi row parameters by some double button presses hmmmm.....Do you find that you accidently change midi parameters or something like that? This is the sort of feature that risks being confusing more often than it is useful.... >a function that could cut out a new shorter cycle out of a longer loop >or cycle >this last one needs more information than I have the time for today so >I'll be back.. That's already there! Multiply-record. That's what we call "unrounded multiply", which allows you to make a new loop length, either shorter or longer than the original. (basically allows you to multiply by non-integer amounts.) So by pressing multiply at the beginning of the section you want, and Record at the end of the section, you will cut out that part and have a new loop. Is that what you mean? Thanks for the suggestions! they are always welcome. We'll probably do another upgrade for the current echoplex hardware someday. (not for a long while though, we need a rest from this thing!) So feel free to make suggestions. Many of the ideas in there now came from users. Your's could be next..... Before you get too eager (I know, it's hard...:-) ), here are some things that will never happen in this hardware, so don't suggest them: any sort of pitch warping knob, filters of any sort, time expansion/contraction, modulation effects, or any other sort of signal processing that requires a dsp chip that is not there; polyphany or simultaneous loops; stereo in one echoplex (no amount of software will add another audio path!); or functional execution with midi program change messages (we have other plans for those). That being said, any other ideas that fit the echoplex feature set, we love to hear about 'em! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat May 09 00:31:35 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:15:58 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXtYb-000093-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 13:15:49 -0700 From: Salazzar2 Message-ID: <57dfe04f.35536620@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:07:58 EDT To: andre@monmouth.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: ProjKCt Two in NYC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Resent-Message-ID: <"cPnksC.A.t2G.vZ2U1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5493 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:15:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 01d0ce993fb83edd2b62ab551e082c7f Just a quick comment(and late) on the Philly Projekt Two show... The music was great, but Mr. Fripp decided to cut the show short by omitting the encore. During the second part, some idiot thought it would be best to disregard Trey's announcement concerning no flash pictures, recorders, etc. He took a flash and it pissed off Robert badly. He walked off the stage for a few minutes. At the end, Robert came back out to address the audience, as he often does, and was suprised once again by another flash...right before he was about to speak!!! He left the stage and the band walked out with him. No encore. Very disappointing. Apparently, some folks can not attend a show and appreciate the musicianship of the band without having to indulge in the $6.00 glasses of beer sold in the lobby...which after quite a few, makes them stupid. Anyone see this show??? Any comments??? From ???@??? Sat May 09 00:31:38 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:40:07 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXtw5-00026W-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 13:40:05 -0700 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: Sick Jamman ,HELP!!!! Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:32:00 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd7ac0$5ab717a0$91004382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"T5saUC.A.qfB.Zx2U1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5494 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:40:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 9a7bef5bda8c77eefe285e1c6baf4587 Hi y`all! I got a gig on wednesday and my jamman has gotten ill. I REALLY need advice on what to do. Here goes: When I plug in the powersupply the led shows 18+ for a second or two. Then It goes blank and the machine shuts down. This is not due to the powersuppl itself , I checked with the vortex p.supply and it did the same thing. When this had gone on for a while I decided to let the Jamman (now a jamInfant) rest , unplugged the patchcables and continued to work with the Vortex. After about 15-20 minutes the Jamman miraculously turned itself on(!). I had left the powersupply in the whole time on now the thing seemed to work. I hooked up the patch cables and played through the JamDude again. The sound that came out was very distorted (i think you`d call it digital clipping). It sounded like Nine Inch Nails and I actually liked it. But we all know its not supposed to be a distortion unit so I got really worried. I turned the MIX knob all the way down and kept playing. Now the straight guitarsignal sounded fine. Then , after a few more minutes of this everything worked again. I played for maybe an hour or two. Then the problems returned and the whole cycle started over again. All this might be brought on by one particular change in the Jamdude`s life. Just before I hooked up the boys (Jamman and Vortex) and tried to play I put them in a 2 unit rackbag from Rocktron. This bag was a bit too small , the "roof and floor" were leaning slightly inwards , making it necesary for me to use force to fit the two processors to the screwholes. Could this have made them "overheat" in some way ??? Another thing I can think of is that the night before I rehearsed with a band and things got a bit loud. Could this result in a fuse blowing?? (Im way out of my league here , only guessing..) Anyway , I hope you fine ppl can help me , I really need it. Yours , Thomas From ???@??? Sat May 09 00:31:41 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:58:01 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXuDQ-0003Tr-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 13:58:00 -0700 Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BD7AD3.AAD58510.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: CD compilation #1 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:32:26 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DW-4kC.A.I3C.kC3U1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5495 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:58:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 9ec2b52a785d755e20de2e4253a5bf2b About the compilation CD #1 ... Ray Peck [rpeck@rpeck.com] who is in charge of this project asked me to pass this along: >The CD is done. The credits/cover aren't, 'cause people didn't give me >complete info. I'll soon post the credits that I have, for people to fix up, and >then I'll get the disks out. >I'm going to put the cover art on the CDs (CD-Plus), so that people can >duplicate their own and print original cover art for the copies if they >want. michael peters mpeters@csi.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ From ???@??? Sat May 09 00:31:43 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:38:07 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXuqD-0006Ir-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 14:38:05 -0700 From: Crossedout Message-ID: <57e01ec1.355378b0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:27:10 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Audio triggers to MIDI info.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"10FLNC.A.XNF.bj3U1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5496 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:38:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 9ed3360d712f9d41521edae7bdf49e81 Hey - don't know who it was in the past few days was posting about converting / controlling MIDI devices using drum pads... Just came across some "New old stock" (new in the box, original but never shipped [until now] to music stores) AKAI ME35T Audio to Midi converters... they accept up to 8 trigger inputs (mics, drum pads... I think it'll take anything with a 1/4" plug) and convert to MIDI signals. These things are $79.00. I picked up 2 (and I may want to sell one later) and the store I picked them up from has 2 left. It's in Minneapolis, it's called Music -Go-Round, and they are at (612) 822-7602. They are pretty cool about selling over the phone. They look pretty bad-ass - I can't wait to get home and hook them up!!! - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Sat May 09 00:31:49 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 8 May 1998 19:27:21 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXzM9-0000Xu-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 19:27:21 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXzMB-00030k-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 19:27:23 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yXzM5-0000XW-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 19:27:17 -0700 From: ANET Message-ID: <36eb4fda.3553be09@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:23:04 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sick Jamman ,HELP!!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"d8rLBD.A.pP.w47U1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5497 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 19:27:17 -0700 X-UIDL: f11d0f978d842badcc563e33baed4432 In a message dated 5/8/98 3:38:04 PM Central Daylight Time, hovard@online.no writes: > > When I plug in the powersupply the led shows 18+ for a second or two. Then > It goes blank and the machine shuts down. This is not due to the powersuppl > itself , I checked with the vortex p.supply and it did the same thing. When > this had gone on for a while I decided to let the Jamman (now a jamInfant) > rest , unplugged the patchcables and continued to work with the Vortex. > > After about 15-20 minutes the Jamman miraculously turned itself on(!). I > had left the > powersupply in the whole time on now the thing seemed to work. I hooked up > the patch cables and played through the JamDude again. At this point, it sounds like a power problem. Any time lights blink, the power supply is being interrupted somehow. Either you are shorting voltage level to ground or there is a break in a circuit board of which an open circuit is occurring. Pull the cover off, you'll need torx screwdrivers, then probe around on the back by jiggling anything that is attached to the board. If you can consistantly recreate the blinking, then you have found the problem. Take a soldering iron and resolder that part. >The sound that came out was very distorted > (i think you`d call it digital clipping). It sounded like Nine Inch Nails > and I actually liked it. But we all know its not supposed to be a distortion > unit so I got really worried. I turned the MIX knob all the way down and kept > playing. Now the straight guitarsignal sounded fine. Then , after a few more > minutes of this everything worked again. I played for maybe an hour or two. > Then the problems returned and the whole cycle started over again. Not sure what would cause this, but if there is a voltage problem as with the lights, perhaps there's a shunt to a part which is getting more voltage than necessary. Fix the blinking lights first and then see what happens. > All this might be brought on by one particular change in the Jamdude`s life. > Just before I hooked up the boys (Jamman and Vortex) and tried to play I put > them in a 2 unit rackbag from Rocktron. This bag was a bit too small , the " > roof and floor" were leaning slightly inwards , making it necesary for me to > use force to fit the two processors to the screwholes. > > Could this have made them "overheat" in some way ??? Not likely. If you want to test for overheating, you can buy a can of freeze which will cool parts you suspect of getting too hot. Sometimes this will allow you to zero in on a defective part. You may have to replace some parts. > Another thing I can think of is that the night be fore I rehearsed with a > band and things got a bit loud. Could this result in a fuse blowing?? (Im > way out of my league here , only guessing..) Unfortunately, a blown fuse would have a different symptom namely, no power to the unit. You only hope is to take the cover off and start wiggling components while the power is applied. Hopefully you'll be able to isolate the problem. Get a can of contact cleaner, and with the cover off, spray all of your potentiohmeter's insides. From there make sure your stereo cords are all ok, and then take your footpedal apart and spray it heavily. Let it dry and put it all back together. I had a blinking light problem a while back which turned out to be a dirty foot controller which was acting like a non-debounced switch. Regards. John Peters From ???@??? Sat May 09 00:31:52 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:08:09 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yY0vh-00054k-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 21:08:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3553D5A6.2FC0CBA0@mindless.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 23:03:50 -0500 From: Jay Allen Reply-To: thewaxdolls@mindless.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: DOD Dimension 12 SAMPLER/DELAY for $225???? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HXHp2D.A.HgE.fX9U1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5498 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:08:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 739f28d8a05c06d10995686937140330 Anyone have one? a rack space sampler that lets you do 4 6 second loops or 2 12 second loops for $225. Anyone know whatn it sounds like? Worth the buy? I am going to buy another delay device of some kind, and i dont have enough money for an echoplex. Now i have a boss dd5 and i have been thinking about the electroharmonix memory man. Any thoughts? thanks, Jay http://members.aol.com/Eddie96848/gig.htm The Wax Dolls & Funk The Industry Records From ???@??? Sat May 09 03:33:42 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 9 May 1998 03:26:57 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yY6qG-0000Yf-00; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:26:56 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3553D5A6.2FC0CBA0@mindless.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 02:28:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: DOD Dimension 12 SAMPLER/DELAY for $225???? Resent-Message-ID: <"vTe1vC.A.IV.-6CV1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5501 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 03:26:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 17f8e2e9d9aaa191d27a582b20b51c70 >Anyone have one? a rack space sampler that lets you do 4 6 second loops >or 2 12 second loops for $225. Anyone know whatn it sounds like? Worth >the buy? I am going to buy another delay device of some kind, and i >dont have enough money for an echoplex. Now i have a boss dd5 and i >have been thinking about the electroharmonix memory man. Any thoughts? we had some discussion about it a couple of weeks ago, which is unfortunately not available on the web or in the archives yet. The person here who reviewed it wasn't very favorable. Since everyone else probably already saw that, I'll send it to you private. If anyone else wants a copy, let me know. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat May 09 03:23:21 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 9 May 1998 03:07:18 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yY6XF-0007gD-00; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:07:17 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980509100355.006edbac@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 12:03:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Fruit Loops Resent-Message-ID: <"ujyBxC.A.WBH.VoCV1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5500 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 03:07:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 63fea97db1b8aeed99f9f9fa2954677e At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote: >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming >out anyway? > >C H R I S > >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu > Where can I find it? thank you ciao leo From ???@??? Sat May 09 12:09:08 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 9 May 1998 04:46:02 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yY84n-0002AB-00; Sat, 9 May 1998 04:46:01 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980509114151.006efb40@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 13:41:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Fruit Loops Resent-Message-ID: <"wk6KdD.A.y0B.CEEV1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5502 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 04:46:01 -0700 X-UIDL: 2066aaa3349cb55c000e046e5b1c360c At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote: >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming >out anyway? > >C H R I S > >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu > > Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do all the breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good results. I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick parts and looping. The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece of the drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns) but using parts of a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and then reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method. I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's with me? I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web page as a really good example to listen if you like this kind of music. ciao leo From ???@??? Sat May 09 12:09:09 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 9 May 1998 07:01:56 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYACJ-0005AL-00; Sat, 9 May 1998 07:01:55 -0700 From: Dpcoffin Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:57:48 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: MIDI-controllable FX Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"uO9Ei.A.eoE.DEGV1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5503 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 07:01:55 -0700 X-UIDL: df43c273c7d974f9b1bce1e5d9e8a6f0 In a message dated 5/8/98 9:13:48 AM, Sean wrote: >As far as a real-time, MIDI-controllable >effects unit, I suggest looking at Ensoniq's line of FX, like the DP >series (snip) I've been very pleased with the modulation options of the DP/Pro (not many sources or destinations possible, but DEEP parameter lists and far-out ranges), but find the Dp-2 quite glitchy and potentially noisy when (particularly gain-related) parameters are modulated. The most versatile unit I've seen for modulation via MIDI or otherwise is the tc G-Force, which allows over 20 mod destinations per patch and has many cool source options including dynamics, ASDRs, LFOs, ext pedals and all MIDI of course, plus very graphic and intuitive set-up menus. Their FireworX (which is built on the same basic OS as the G-F) appears to be even more comprehensive, with modulatable modulators, and even a little mod sequencer. The Lexicon MPX-1 only allows 5 destinations per patch, but it has similar source flexibility to the tc stuff and will also send MIDI control messages to other units at the same time. dpc From ???@??? Sat May 09 12:09:10 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 9 May 1998 07:41:58 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYAp3-0006RY-00; Sat, 9 May 1998 07:41:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199805091436.KAA10259@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: ProjKCt Two in NYC Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:35:50 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MXKtuD.A.uyF.ipGV1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5504 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 07:41:57 -0700 X-UIDL: fef8001a7b2b4edece9f6939e43cb50a > From: Salazzar2 > Just a quick comment(and late) on the Philly Projekt Two show... > > The music was great, but Mr. Fripp decided to cut the show short by omitting > the encore. During the second part, some idiot thought it would be best to > disregard Trey's announcement concerning no flash pictures, recorders, etc. He > took a flash and it pissed off Robert badly. He walked off the stage for a few yeah - i also forgot...at the end of the NYC show - they came out for an encore - crimson's thrak done bizarrely (great!!) and then left - the crowd was insane ---half of them left, but i've not seen a more rabid bunch in ages. So we screamed and hooted and clapped, for several minutes, the tension built, as the lights stayed off.... there seemed to be a chance for a 2nd encore.. then at long last - the house lights went up..(boohoo).. So you'd think we'd all go home happy, right..? NO! Some asshole yelled REAL LOUD, very audibly to anyone near the backstage area.. F U C K Y O U !!!!!!! as if they OWED us a 2nd encore. everyone in the small remaining crowd shook their heads in disbelief - it was a negative downer to a great show, if only for a minute... so the moral is - even in these "intellectual" crowds, there's always a shithead. andre' From ???@??? Sat May 09 12:09:10 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 9 May 1998 07:45:30 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYAsT-0006mp-00; Sat, 9 May 1998 07:45:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199805091440.KAA11491@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Torn, Reid, Sharp Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:39:37 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ml353C.A.zEG.MtGV1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5505 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 07:45:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 24d1f9c75a3824322fe1de23c83af14e and.. but.. don't miss David Torn Vernon Reid Elliott Sharp at the KNITTING FACTORY 74 Leonard St 212-219-3006 Fri MAy 15 (next friday!!!) 8:30 and 11pm **don't miss it!!! the show in march was incredible!! Go! go !! (or at least tap in to the live net-feed on http://www.knittingfactory.com ) see ya .. andre' [i myself won't be there.. i'm gigging in NJ that nite...sigh] Enigma With Attitude http://www.monmouth.com/~andre From ???@??? Sat May 09 12:09:16 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:34:41 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYDWC-0004nX-00; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:34:40 -0700 Message-ID: <35549293.60102441@mindless.com> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 12:29:55 -0500 From: Jay Allen Reply-To: thewaxdolls@mindless.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: DOD Dimension 12 SAMPLER/DELAY for $225???? References: <3.0.5.32.19980509024937.00806e10@wavefront.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AcRTbC.A.WQE.QLJV1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5506 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:34:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 6fd7cce8f3f1df11107147b9899df97e Thanks. What about the memory man? Jay Chuck Zwicky wrote: > Obviously you just missed this recent dialog: > > X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) > Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:33:14 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > From: Chuck Zwicky > Subject: DOD Dimension 12 review > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5276 > Resent-Sender: SmartList > Resent-To: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com > Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:37:10 -0700 > > I have on loan from a local pro-audio dealer the new DOD Dimension 12. > As a "looping device" it has serious flaws. > > I'll be brief: > > Wall Wart. > > Audio is mono. > > No level indication of any kind. > > Has a mono Hi-Z input jack, a stereo line level input, but only MONO output. > (actually ther are 2 outputs, but one is labled "Main" and the other > "Monitor" they allow auditioning samples out one, and routing through input > audio to the other.) > > You can record four 6-second samples, which can be looped. > > You can play either 1 & 2 or 3 & 4 simultaneously (2 voice polyphony) > > You cannot listen to one sample while recording another. > > You cannot overdub on a sample. > > The 4 big buttons on the front panel do not play the stored samples, they > 'select' them THEN you can press the 'play' button.... > > Samples can be played backwards. > > Pressing the delay mode button wipes the sample memory. > > Delay has infinite hold mode. ("loop" button on front). > > Delay time cannot be adjusted with a knob, so no tuning of 'loops'. > > Modulation of delay is 'destructive' in 'loop' mode. (If you apply > modulation to the held delay loop, it is now a permanent corruption of the > signal.) > > MIDI input only receives program change data. > > MIDI input only controls "sampler' functions (not delay functions). > > Has a footswitch input, 3 button proprietary. In delay mode said to control > "sample/hold" (maybe the same as the 'loop' button on the front panel?), > 'Tap" and "effect on/off" (the "effect" button on the front panel turns > the modulation on). > > 'Looped' delay cannot be edited, reversed or copied into a Sample location. > > Delay has a 'Tap-Tempo' feature, tapping slower tempos will 'multiply' > current loop (as on Jam-Man). > > Has a nice 'reverse delay' mode which samples input signal for the selected > delay length, and plays it out backwards, during which time it mutes the > dry signal. > > No loop, feedback or modulation while in reverse. > > Delay time only adjustable in 10ms increments up to 10s, then 100ms. > > Kim, > This device has a LONG way to go before it could be very useful to anyone > here. For instance: If you could play 4 samples simultaneously, record and > trim samples while the others played, trigger samples with MIDI or > footswitches, > copy delay loops into samples, reverse the delay while overdubbing, use > audio inputs to trigger samples, even stereo direct signal pass through. > > Please imagine what you would like to be able to do with the box in a > performance setting, then re-read the review and this reply. > > -Chuck Zwicky > > > At 11:03 PM 5/8/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Anyone have one? a rack space sampler that lets you do 4 6 second loops > >or 2 12 second loops for $225. Anyone know whatn it sounds like? Worth > >the buy? I am going to buy another delay device of some kind, and i > >dont have enough money for an echoplex. Now i have a boss dd5 and i > >have been thinking about the electroharmonix memory man. Any thoughts? > > > >thanks, > >Jay > >http://members.aol.com/Eddie96848/gig.htm > >The Wax Dolls & Funk The Industry Records > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck Zwicky wrote: > Obviously you just missed this recent dialog: > > X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) > Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:33:14 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > From: Chuck Zwicky > Subject: DOD Dimension 12 review > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5276 > Resent-Sender: SmartList > Resent-To: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com > Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:37:10 -0700 > > I have on loan from a local pro-audio dealer the new DOD Dimension 12. > As a "looping device" it has serious flaws. > > I'll be brief: > > Wall Wart. > > Audio is mono. > > No level indication of any kind. > > Has a mono Hi-Z input jack, a stereo line level input, but only MONO output. > (actually ther are 2 outputs, but one is labled "Main" and the other > "Monitor" they allow auditioning samples out one, and routing through input > audio to the other.) > > You can record four 6-second samples, which can be looped. > > You can play either 1 & 2 or 3 & 4 simultaneously (2 voice polyphony) > > You cannot listen to one sample while recording another. > > You cannot overdub on a sample. > > The 4 big buttons on the front panel do not play the stored samples, they > 'select' them THEN you can press the 'play' button.... > > Samples can be played backwards. > > Pressing the delay mode button wipes the sample memory. > > Delay has infinite hold mode. ("loop" button on front). > > Delay time cannot be adjusted with a knob, so no tuning of 'loops'. > > Modulation of delay is 'destructive' in 'loop' mode. (If you apply > modulation to the held delay loop, it is now a permanent corruption of the > signal.) > > MIDI input only receives program change data. > > MIDI input only controls "sampler' functions (not delay functions). > > Has a footswitch input, 3 button proprietary. In delay mode said to control > "sample/hold" (maybe the same as the 'loop' button on the front panel?), > 'Tap" and "effect on/off" (the "effect" button on the front panel turns > the modulation on). > > 'Looped' delay cannot be edited, reversed or copied into a Sample location. > > Delay has a 'Tap-Tempo' feature, tapping slower tempos will 'multiply' > current loop (as on Jam-Man). > > Has a nice 'reverse delay' mode which samples input signal for the selected > delay length, and plays it out backwards, during which time it mutes the > dry signal. > > No loop, feedback or modulation while in reverse. > > Delay time only adjustable in 10ms increments up to 10s, then 100ms. > > Kim, > This device has a LONG way to go before it could be very useful to anyone > here. For instance: If you could play 4 samples simultaneously, record and > trim samples while the others played, trigger samples with MIDI or > footswitches, > copy delay loops into samples, reverse the delay while overdubbing, use > audio inputs to trigger samples, even stereo direct signal pass through. > > Please imagine what you would like to be able to do with the box in a > performance setting, then re-read the review and this reply. > > -Chuck Zwicky > > > At 11:03 PM 5/8/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Anyone have one? a rack space sampler that lets you do 4 6 second loops > >or 2 12 second loops for $225. Anyone know whatn it sounds like? Worth > >the buy? I am going to buy another delay device of some kind, and i > >dont have enough money for an echoplex. Now i have a boss dd5 and i > >have been thinking about the electroharmonix memory man. Any thoughts? > > > >thanks, > >Jay > >http://members.aol.com/Eddie96848/gig.htm > >The Wax Dolls & Funk The Industry Records > > > > > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Sun May 10 09:24:34 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 10 May 1998 08:16:56 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYXqR-0000vY-00; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:16:55 -0700 Message-ID: <3555C3F8.68DA5E24@mediaone.net> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 11:12:56 -0400 From: Jason Secord X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fruit Loops References: <2.2.32.19980509114151.006efb40@mail.dada.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O8OtFC.A.Mo.oPcV1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5507 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 08:16:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 43eb7654e3696ebf7e99659d6a441c8e Leo, As far as I'm concerned, once you've mapped out your basic backbeat and layers of breakbeat and bass all that's left is the looping... and it is too much fun... A friend and I made some really cool slow-funk groove a couple days ago by basically following this method, except w/o a computer... I'd love to have access to software like Cubase and Soundforge but I'm too poor to care at the moment. We do our best impersonation by composing a song on the drum machine, sampling the bits and pieces we like, playing with a multitap delay (4 continuity I suppose) and then actively mixing all these different "loops" at mixdown. We've even been known to use the MidiSync capability on th Jam Man to insure that we don't go phase-crazy. Hope this gives you a window on what we do... I'm totally hip to yer ideas leo and would love to hear em. ciao baby Leonardo Cavallo wrote: > > At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote: > >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's > >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming > >out anyway? > > > >C H R I S > > > >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders > >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list > >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu > > > > > > Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to > recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do all the > breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good results. > I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick parts and > looping. > The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece of the > drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns) but using parts of > a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and then > reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method. > > I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's with me? > I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web page as a > really good example to listen if you like this kind of music. > > ciao > leo From ???@??? Sun May 10 18:45:52 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:38:28 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYZ7L-0003L8-00; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:38:27 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980510112619.008725e0@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 11:26:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: ProjKCt Two in NYC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RVPLBC.A.05C.OcdV1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5508 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:38:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 4f44b7ea4a1f31b76e3b8f12a9d4cb21 >>so the moral is - even in these "intellectual" crowds, there's always a >>shithead. FYI, this was the primary reason Fripp disbanded the first Crimson. He got really sick of concerts being treated as sporting events. I guess he still is. From ???@??? Mon May 11 10:02:07 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:01:24 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYjmF-0002xM-00; Sun, 10 May 1998 21:01:23 -0700 Message-ID: <19980511035423.9070.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:54:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Loops, jungle, Bill Nelson and the Darsan Trio To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"xzU7uB.A.jeC.YcnV1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5509 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:01:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 4dd8e83934ed469bfd179e24ecd070a5 93 ---Kim Flint wrote: > along that jungle with guitars line, I picked up the Adam F cd "colours" the > other day. (I think the cd only just became available in the US.) (snip) A good album, I recommend it. Also a good > example of ways you might merge jungle rhythms with more traditional > instruments. Sounds interesting. Though I would be most interested in hearing about people who live loop with da jungle beat. 93 Rev. D'Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Babel http://www.spiritone.com/~skhtmt/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon May 11 10:02:08 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:14:59 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYjzO-0003hb-00; Sun, 10 May 1998 21:14:58 -0700 Message-ID: <19980511041829.17330.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:18:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: MIDI Looping Control To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"frmcb.A.gOD.CqnV1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5510 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:14:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 75684c0be6e0ee8943360ae31e32c91f 93 ---Cummings wrote: > Is it possible to convert MIDI note messages from a MIDI device (drum > pads) to MIDI program change messages for the Jamman? I am unaware of any device that will do this. Get a cheap sequencer (MMT-8) and use it for the prog changes - conversely, get a midi foot pedal to send prog changes. If you are just looking for tempo match, JM should sync right out of the box with any midi tempo generating device (such as a drum machine). 93 Rev. D'Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Babel http://www.spiritone.com/~skhtmt/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon May 11 10:02:08 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:41:10 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYkOi-0004sW-00; Sun, 10 May 1998 21:41:08 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYkOi-0006B0-00; Sun, 10 May 1998 21:41:08 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYkOg-0004s4-00; Sun, 10 May 1998 21:41:06 -0700 Message-ID: <19980511042727.8826.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:27:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: 3rd CD Project Update To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"ZZ5v_.A.AUE.-BoV1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5511 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:41:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 179cbd5770995c365a09d576e113f207 93 ---Kim Flint wrote: > > At 9:23 AM -0400 5/8/98, ANET wrote: > >down. Keep in mind that this may take a good deal of time. As each piece > >will be scrutinized for quality standards that meet the rest of the > >submissions. There is still time for you to submit material or resubmit > >anything that you would like for consideration. > > I guess I don't really get this part. What are the "quality standards", and > who is making judgements for whether a submission meets them or not? Seems > like a rather subjective and potentially touchy area. Do we really feel > it's necessary to make such judgements at all? discuss.... I see quality control as very necessary. Someone has to produce. The proof will be in the pudding. 93 Rev. D'Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Babel http://www.spiritone.com/~skhtmt/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon May 11 10:02:10 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:44:50 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYkSI-0005EH-00; Sun, 10 May 1998 21:44:50 -0700 Message-ID: <19980511043816.13351.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:38:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Sick Jamman ,HELP!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"cW0exD.A.tkE.iFoV1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5512 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:44:50 -0700 X-UIDL: d8123aefc742728508f21ef1429a0a14 93 ---Woehni wrote: > > > > Hi y`all! I got a gig on wednesday and my jamman has gotten ill. > I REALLY need advice on what to do. Here goes: My best advise is that unless you *REALLY* know what you are doing, spend the $90 bucks and send it back to the factory for repair. It's definately worth it. 93 Rev D'Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Babel http://www.spiritone.com/~skhtmt/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon May 11 12:34:30 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:46:06 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYweL-000578-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:46:05 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980511124000.006aa8c0@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:40:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Loops, jungle, real-time mix, Doubt-Goat In-Reply-To: <19980511035423.9070.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"cfri-C.A.yEE.EezV1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5513 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:46:05 -0700 X-UIDL: df879041cd3c45b067d3fb9e54c4cc37 >Sounds interesting. Though I would be most interested in >hearing about people who live loop with da jungle beat. > I'm not sure if Dr. Freecloud's work is with jungle, but I have been told he's pretty good. Worldwide, Q-bert is recognized as the best DJ, I think he does a bit of everything, the important point on these two is that Net-searches will probably warrant you some information on either. I do not have time to go out and find information so I usually rely on second-hand: read armchair philosopher. Jungle/Breakbeat rants can be found at: http://www.synthzone.com/msg/szboard.html From ???@??? Mon May 11 12:34:31 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:55:36 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYwnW-00060Z-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:55:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:45:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199805111745.KAA01733@fracture.lizard.net> From: Ray Peck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: credits for Loopers' CD 1 X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under Emacs 19.34.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"YMrVxD.A.8BF.-nzV1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5514 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:55:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 0f5b9f4b957d8e00a949c32ab3f8e686 This is all the info I have at the moment on the credits for Loopers' CD 1. Please send me corrections and additions ASAP, as the CD is ready and is being held up now only by the cover. Note that you've got to correct my email address when replying. The domain name should simply be rpeck (dot) com. Please don't post to the list, since I don't read it. Thanks! As my wife would say, "The sun is going to rise in the west. . ." 1. Michael Peters "On the Move" alternate version from the upcoming CD "Escape Veloopity" mpeters@compuserv.com or http://ourworld.compuserv.com/homepages/mpeters Michael Peters Moelstr. 4, 51069 Cologne Germany 2. Dave Stafford "Spider's Web" from the album "Other Memory", SSC1717 ambient@adnc.com Studio Seventeen Productions P.O. Box 461363 Escondido, CA 92046 3. Matthias Grob with Bira Reis (percussion) (?? track 1 from Matthias' CD-R) 4. Matthias Grob (?? track 2 from Matthias' CD-R) 5. Matthias Grob I have to check which track this is. I wrote down the wrong info. (?? track ? from Matthias' CD-R) 6. Andree Krikula and Conny Sommer Es geschah 7. ???? (track 7 from Matthias' CD-R) 8. Matthias Grob (track 12 from Matthias' CD-R) 9. Mike Stevens "A Walk In My Dream" from the CD "Normally Anomaly" stevens@ebtech.net Mike Stevens Music 871 Eastwood St. Sarnia, ON Canada N7T 5L1 10. Doug Michael "Helix" dmic@ccnet.com http://www.ccnet.com/~dmic27 Doug Michael 2889 Seville Circle Antioch, CA 94509 11. Doug Michael "Trance" (edit) 12. Fingerpaint (Patrick Smith and Steev Geest) "Sirens of Titan" Patrick Smith 7007 Aspen Ave Takoma Pk, MD 20912 13. Doug Michael "Feed" 14. David Talento "Just Give Up and Marry the Boss's Daughter" legion@voicenet.com http://www.voicenet.com/~legion Help Wanted Productions P.O. Box 2205 Philadelphia, PA 19103 15. The Outside Loop (Wayne Hamilton and Chris Zimmerman) "Bag in a Tree" Shorthair Studios 43 N. 3rd St. Philadelphia, PA 19106 16. Kuno Wagner "Intermedium" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Do you know who I am?" - idiom, Amer. Eng. 1. spoken by a nobody who has a problem with it. From ???@??? Mon May 11 21:10:25 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:59:33 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZ5Hv-0006Nw-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 19:59:31 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:20:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: FingerPaint CD Update Resent-Message-ID: <"E62ldD.A.9oF.yn7V1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5518 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:59:31 -0700 X-UIDL: abe85f5a90c30a75af707be78873085f We're expecting shipment of FingerPaint's first CD release "Primary Colors: BLUE" this week. Stay tuned for more info. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Mon May 11 21:10:08 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:25:38 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYz8i-00019o-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:25:36 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYz8j-00038V-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:25:37 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yYz8f-00019J-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:25:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:17:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Dark Aether Project/Always Almost in Baltimore Thursday Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"-oFlQ.A.jg.7z1V1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5515 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:25:33 -0700 X-UIDL: c3561fae7d34113c560618a684ea7a4b This Thursday, May 14th, The Dark Aether Project will perform at E.J. Bugs at 702 South Broadway Street in Baltimore, MD. Start time is 9PM. Admission is *free*. I've invited my friends, Always Almost to come down from Pennsylvania to join us for a special night of musical madness. We'll be paying tribute to the classic Hungarian techno death polka bands of the late 80's. So if you're into cookie-monster vocals sung in Hungarian ensnared with screaming fuzzed out accordian solos over heavy TB-303 thumping, ummm...well...you should probably see a doctor, because the whole idea is just too silly to imagine. Strike this paragraph. You never saw it. Always Almost features Brett Kull, Ray Weston and Paul Ramsey who have previously performed together in the bands Echolyn and Still in addition to collaborations with others such as Mercury Records recording artists, Grey Eye Glances. Always Almost's recent release "God Pounds His Nails" on Pleasant Green Records features mature songwriting with a soulful edge which at times exhibits nods to The Beatles, The Who and Gentle Giant. See http://rocket.to/alwaysalmost/ for more information about Always Almost. The Dark Aether Project features Adam Levin (Chapman Stick, Loops, Guitar), Yaman Aksu (Fretted and Fretless Guitars, Guitar Synthesizer), Brian Griffin (Percussion) and special guest Jason Wilson (Vocals). Progression magazine says "...jazz-inflected, often minimalistic progressive...foreboding soundscape[s]...classy...offers mature musicianship without pretentiousness." William Bajzek writes in Tap Reviews: "This is a great one for fans of Trey Gunn, Philharmonie, or the Stick in general... The band has great chemistry and cool ideas that are executed well." See http://www.darkaether.net for more information about The Dark Aether Project. Each band will have their recent CD releases and other nifty swag available for sale at the show. Directions to E.J. Bugs: Take 95 to 395 and follow signs for Downtown. Turn right on Conway Turn left on Light Turn right on Pratt Turn right on President Turn left on Fleet Turn right on Broadway The club is at 702 Broadway just past Aliceanna St. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Mon May 11 21:10:23 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:55:44 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZ3M7-0006iO-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:55:43 -0700 Message-ID: <3557663C.5D0B@pop.interport.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:57:35 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: projekt2 review sat.iman huntington L.I.New York References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"m4J8w.A.h6F.U05V1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5517 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:55:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 22ab106127fcfab4eb25b2ab69466902 I have seen several incarnations of fripp projects but this one takes the cake. Musicianship and artistry in a improvised style that made me and those I was with wish it would continue all night. What a show! What a band! Fripp and the fernandes sustainer gtrs and tons of other stuff sounded great. adrian on vdrums never ceased to amaze with sounds and pure energy. But the trip of the night was watching trey gunn wrestle with the gigantic 8string bass. Visually, a very interesting show. sonically another revelation provided by another incarnation of KC. Adrian and trey signed cd's and chatted politelly with the crowd after the show. RF was no where to be found. I think he had fun though. we sure did. One last point: the inter media arts center which was the venue for this gig was perfect. It seemed like the balcony of an old movie theatre customized to work as a music hall. General admission insured the most die hard fans get the best seats. but in reality everyone had a good seat and a good time. catch these guys if you can!!!! http://www.changenow.com jparada@changenow.com From ???@??? Mon May 11 21:10:26 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:30:12 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yZ5la-0000Y4-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:30:10 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZ5lc-0003w2-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:30:12 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZ5lX-0000Xh-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:30:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:25:31 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: 12 string Warr guitar Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"aqXdeB.A.6H.vE8V1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5519 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:30:07 -0700 X-UIDL: a03b67d3f181124877decec29358a00c for sale -- 12 string Warr Raptor active Bartolini pickups dual 1/4" output jacks adjustable Wilkinson bridge locking Sperzel tuners dual truss rods paduak body, mahogahny neck Reunion Blues gig bag one year old (one of first Raptors) pictures of this instrument are located at http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth/photo.html $1200 OBO, buyer pays shipping (i still have the original packing materials). please respond directly via email to howarth@u.arizona.edu _____________________________________ Dan Howarth ** howarth@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth Tucson, Arizona From ???@??? Tue May 12 10:24:53 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:38:29 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZ9dt-0003Ug-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:38:29 -0700 Message-ID: <3557FD06.3D5C@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:40:54 -0700 From: MSG Reply-To: mgrodsky@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Roland Chorus Echo RE-301 tape replacement, looking for... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2P55rD.A._DD.Ru_V1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5520 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:38:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 833a698e0abd41a40f6cb323b32d0199 I'm looking for a replacement tape for a Roland Chorus Echo. I have an empty container on which is written "echo chamber tape RT-1L." At the top of the unit where the tape moves inside of an acrylic cover, there is a little hinged swinging arm to the lower left. From the diagram on top of the acrylic cover, it looks like some kind of tape cartridge fits there. Am I missing this too as well as some tape? By the way, here is a performance announcement (Los Angeles) regarding Nels Cline. thanks anyone, Michael ************************** > >THIS WEEK...Thursday May 14 @ 10pm (or thereabouts) > >NELS CLINE & DEVIN SARNO >Performing live @ SPACELAND >[w/ Present (from Belgium) & I.B.O.P.A.] > >1717 Silverlake Blvd. in Silverlake, CA. >Info.: 213-833-2843 >*21 & over w/ I.D.* > >Nels Cline & Devin Sarno have just released their first collaborative 12" LP: >"Rise Pumpkin Rise" on Volvolo Records. (Copies will be available at the >show.) >"Exquisitely dynamic guitar-and-bass feedback constructions." >--LA Weekly > From ???@??? Tue May 12 10:25:00 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:26:27 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZF4d-0005GR-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 06:26:27 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZF4d-0002dD-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 06:26:27 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZF4b-0005GH-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 06:26:25 -0700 Message-ID: <35584C5C.716B3B8A@Pirnie.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:19:24 -0400 From: "Lee Wordsman" Reply-To: Lwordsman@Pirnie.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fruit Loops References: <2.2.32.19980509114151.006efb40@mail.dada.it> <3555C3F8.68DA5E24@mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oS0lYD.A.jmE.dxEW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5521 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:26:25 -0700 X-UIDL: d4c7975124a320036d8df8fd0033354f I'm totally unfamiliar with some of the styles of music that have been bandied about on this list. Anyone want to take a shot at defining jungle, d&b, and the term breakbeat as opposed to backbeat. I also deleted Andre La Fosse's post that had his web address. Andre, I'd love to stop by your sight and hear some of this music. Could you repost your URL. TIA Jason Secord wrote: > Leo, > As far as I'm concerned, once you've mapped out your basic backbeat > and layers of breakbeat and bass all that's left is the looping... and > it is too much fun... A friend and I made some really cool slow-funk > groove a couple days ago by basically following this method, except w/o > a computer... > I'd love to have access to software like Cubase and Soundforge but > I'm too poor to care at the moment. We do our best impersonation by > composing a song on the drum machine, sampling the bits and pieces we > like, playing with a multitap delay (4 continuity I suppose) and then > actively mixing all these different "loops" at mixdown. We've even been > known to use the MidiSync capability on th Jam Man to insure that we > don't go phase-crazy. > Hope this gives you a window on what we do... > I'm totally hip to yer ideas leo and would love to hear em. > > ciao baby > > Leonardo Cavallo wrote: > > > > At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote: > > >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's > > >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming > > >out anyway? > > > > > >C H R I S > > > > > >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders > > >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list > > >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu > > > > > > > > > > Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to > > recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do all the > > breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good results. > > I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick parts and > > looping. > > The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece of the > > drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns) but using parts of > > a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and then > > reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method. > > > > I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's with me? > > I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web page as a > > really good example to listen if you like this kind of music. > > > > ciao > > leo From ???@??? Tue May 12 10:25:19 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:05:03 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZHY6-0005r2-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 09:05:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199805121538.IAA52586@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: projekt2 review sat.iman huntington L.I.New York Date: Tue, 12 May 98 10:40:21 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"ewZ9d.A.7xE.UEHW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5522 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:05:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 3e689c3be2d23348e4a821fe1c3dd2c8 >I have seen several incarnations of fripp projects but this one takes >the cake. Musicianship and artistry in a improvised style that made me >and those I was with wish it would continue all night. What a show! What >a band! Fripp and the fernandes sustainer gtrs and tons of other stuff >sounded great. adrian on vdrums never ceased to amaze with sounds and >pure energy. But the trip of the night was watching trey gunn wrestle >with the gigantic 8string bass. Visually, a very interesting show. >sonically another revelation provided by another incarnation of KC. >Adrian and trey signed cd's and chatted politelly with the crowd after >the show. RF was no where to be found. I think he had fun though. we >sure did. One last point: the inter media arts center which was the >venue for this gig was perfect. It seemed like the balcony of an old >movie theatre customized to work as a music hall. General admission >insured the most die hard fans get the best seats. but in reality >everyone had a good seat and a good time. catch these guys if you >can!!!! Wow! Sounds like you had a great time. Contrast with the NY Times review below. Seems even the big boys encounter some of the same problems that we've discussed regarding experimental music and audience expectations. I wonder if Mr. Watrous would have similarly criticized a black band that drew a predominantly black audience: Fine-Tuning Appeal for a Certain Audience Projekct Two Irving Plaza Sociologists looking for the demographic connection between bands and their audiences have a good test case in Projekct Two, a King Crimson spinoff group featuring Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew and Trey Gunn. At Irving Plaza on Wednesday night, the musicians attracted a medium-size audience of virtually all white men between 30 and 40. Casual inquiry found that wives and girlfriends hated the music and after one hearing vowed never to return. Maybe it's the music's athleticism, its self-interested virtuosity, that alienates women. Through two short sets, the three musicians soloed and soloed, working a tired post-apocalyptic musical landscape. The tempos mostly stayed the same, and the music, grinding and rumbling and mechanical, sometimes had a few sampled words that filtered through it all. Mr. Fripp, playing guitar, and Mr. Gunn, playing an eight-string guitar-ish instrument, improvised over Mr. Belew's drums. All three used all sorts of samples and synthesizers to change the sound of their instruments. The sound of organs and synthesized strings and pianos wafted in and out of the music. Mr. Fripp and Mr. Gunn often swapped solo space, with Mr. Gunn sometimes holding long, distorted notes as a background for Mr. Fripp's buzzing note flurries. Then the two came together to play metallic lines passing as melodies. With all the simulated instruments available, the three musicians created walls of sound. But there was no getting away from the feeling that somewhere, under all the blur and noise, they were taking more of an interest in the technological possibilities of their instruments than in actually thinking through the problems of making music demographically generous. -- PETER WATROUS From ???@??? Tue May 12 11:03:13 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:37:03 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZIz8-0004sw-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:37:02 -0700 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD02CA13E@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: projekt2 review sat.iman huntington L.I.New York Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:13:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"W0aWxC.A.H_D.lcIW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5524 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:37:02 -0700 X-UIDL: c40dea150bcb1b7851e24d125565d2cc Not being a fan of Fripp's music in general . . . Let me just say that this reviewer sounds a like a total horse's ass. Next time the paper should send someone who isn't predisposed to dislike this sort of music. > Fine-Tuning Appeal for a Certain Audience > Projekct Two > Irving Plaza > > But there was no getting away from the > feeling that somewhere, under all the blur and noise, they were taking > more of an interest in the technological possibilities of their > instruments than in actually thinking through the problems of making > music demographically generous. > -- PETER WATROUS > From ???@??? Tue May 12 10:25:22 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:25:22 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZHrj-0007Sq-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 09:25:19 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZHrk-0005pH-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 09:25:20 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZHrc-0007Rm-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 09:25:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: rmenger@mail.groupz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199805121538.IAA52586@scv1.apple.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:18:32 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Richard Menger Subject: Re: projekt2 review sat.iman huntington L.I.New York Resent-Message-ID: <"LC4PgC.A.gdG.kZHW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5523 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:25:12 -0700 X-UIDL: 6c4c9e5249783decb7b97773fd292098 I was at the Irving Plaza show on Thursday night...It was amazing as expected...Fripp even smiled at least a dozen times and laughed visibly twice...Trey Gunn was the most surprising, he was unbelievable. I was standing right in front of him and was in awe all night. He definately gave Fripp and Belew a run for their money...in fact I kinda think he stole the show,not to detract from Fripp and Belew of course, they were wonderful as expected. All in all I was most pleased..even though I drove up from Augusta Ga via Baltimore ( to pick up a friend) It was definately worth the trip... -Rich BTW.. Is the digest version ever gonna be operational again? From ???@??? Tue May 12 13:39:33 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:08:59 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZJU1-0007a3-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:08:57 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZJU1-0000JJ-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:08:57 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZJTz-0007Zc-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:08:55 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199805121538.IAA52586@scv1.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:46:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: digest Resent-Message-ID: <"WG8S0.A.0UG.a5IW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5525 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:08:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 4f64c0c5bbfcda6ab6337a85c1fea72b > >BTW.. Is the digest version ever gonna be operational again? I sure hope so. My provider keeps telling me that they are fixing it, and then nothing happens. very frustrating.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue May 12 10:59:20 1998 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Fruit Loops Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35584C5C.716B3B8A@Pirnie.com> References: <2.2.32.19980509114151.006efb40@mail.dada.it> <3555C3F8.68DA5E24@mediaone.net> >I'm totally unfamiliar with some of the styles of music that have been bandied >about on this list. Anyone want to take a shot at defining jungle, d&b, and the >term breakbeat as opposed to backbeat. > some good web sites to try, mostly with tons of realaudio: http://jungle.syspace.co.uk/jungle/home.shtml http://www.113audio.com/ http://www.betalounge.com/remix.html http://www.freqnet.com/ kim From ???@??? Tue May 12 13:39:32 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:08:38 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZJTg-0007Xs-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:08:36 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35584C5C.716B3B8A@Pirnie.com> References: <2.2.32.19980509114151.006efb40@mail.dada.it> <3555C3F8.68DA5E24@mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:59:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Fruit Loops Resent-Message-ID: <"qdHyjB.A.AVG.b5IW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5526 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:08:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 57a89323bc653381014c2c188b04e538 >I'm totally unfamiliar with some of the styles of music that have been bandied >about on this list. Anyone want to take a shot at defining jungle, d&b, >and the >term breakbeat as opposed to backbeat. > some good web sites to try, mostly with tons of realaudio: http://jungle.syspace.co.uk/jungle/home.shtml http://www.113audio.com/ http://www.betalounge.com/remix.html http://www.freqnet.com/ kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue May 12 13:39:39 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:33:31 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZJrm-0001ru-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:33:30 -0700 Message-ID: <355894B4.5A4FFC9C@vm.temple.edu> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:28:04 -0400 From: Sean O'Donnell Reply-To: sodonne@vm.temple.edu Organization: Temple University Center for Research in Human Development and Education X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: circuit diagram Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LyyTU.A.xRB.JTJW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5527 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:33:30 -0700 X-UIDL: cf4958723b68e78a71d94b412324dda4 I'm thinking of building a little interface for my Digitech Time Machine 7.6 which has five inputs for voltage controllers on the back. I am an amateur with the ol' soldering iron and just built some basic microphones and think that I could handle building simple circuits for my voltage control needs. Does anyone know of a good place where I could find some diagrams for making voltage control switches? I suppose I could look at my store bought pedals and figure it out, but I like to have some proven schematics whenever possible. Sean From ???@??? Tue May 12 13:39:43 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:19:39 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZKaQ-0005J1-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:19:38 -0700 From: KRosser414 Message-ID: <2cf87528.35589eaf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:10:38 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: projekt2 review sat.iman huntington L.I.New York Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"yOBS.A.AYE.p8JW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5528 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:19:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 55c4b8e93d353020f813673385be63f9 In a message dated 98-05-12 13:35:01 EDT, you write: >> But there was no getting away from the >> feeling that somewhere, under all the blur and noise, they were taking >> more of an interest in the technological possibilities of their >> instruments than in actually thinking through the problems of making > >music demographically generous. >> -- PETER WATROUS < Not being a fan of Fripp's music in general . . . < Let me just say that this reviewer sounds a like a total horse's ass. < Next time the paper should send someone who isn't predisposed to dislike Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:51:19 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZL53-000006-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:51:17 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01bd7de0$2c265d60$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Fw: projekt2 review sat.iman huntington L.I.New York Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:57:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"JncEnB.A.U1G.mbKW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5529 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:51:17 -0700 X-UIDL: e72dd2495180596d8060989549b32790 Whenever a critic says something is that bad, I automatically want to hear it to judge for myself. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com >Peter Watrous aroused a good deal of ire among many when he wrote an article >in the NY Times a few years back which started as a review (scathingly >negative) of the latest . . . From ???@??? Tue May 12 23:25:49 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:25:49 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZT6x-00030W-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:25:47 -0700 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: <57e8d970.35591fca@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:21:29 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: My definition of Jungle Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 81 Resent-Message-ID: <"XSufQD.A.diC.2_RW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5531 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:25:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 5656f78318a81aa344a9f9d9c8fa83b2 tim-thanks for the insite..................michael From ???@??? Wed May 13 10:15:21 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:16:38 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZWiK-0003xY-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:16:36 -0700 Message-Id: <35596469.42432A97@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:14:18 +0100 From: Olivier Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: UniversitŽ catholique de Louvain, Belgium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: digest References: <199805121538.IAA52586@scv1.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Resent-Message-ID: <"sHGrqD.A.uZD.2XVW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5532 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:16:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 0a932f7a4f5cc982ac52e2f83ea55228 Hooops! Sorry I sent you my message before reading this one... Olivier Kim Flint a Žcrit: > > > >BTW.. Is the digest version ever gonna be operational again? > > I sure hope so. My provider keeps telling me that they are fixing it, and > then nothing happens. very frustrating.... > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed May 13 10:15:29 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 05:03:51 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZaGD-0002fy-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 05:03:49 -0700 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: My definition of Jungle Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:56:34 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd7e66$2d2c8be0$be084382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"2WogVD.A.8PC.IsYW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5533 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 05:03:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 9e8afcc755cdf747da34088b35eea915 Hi Tim , Thanks for the great history-lesson!! Look forward to hearing more from you in the future. Yours , Thomas From ???@??? Tue May 12 23:25:37 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:15:25 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZR4m-0003cn-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:15:24 -0700 From: "Tim Fitzsimons" Organization: Dept. of Agriculture (Vic). To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:08:59 +0000 Subject: My definition of Jungle Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <425A11598D@knoxy.agvic.gov.au> Resent-Message-ID: <"7poC6D.A.HCD.1EQW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5530 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:15:24 -0700 X-UIDL: f9f6257c58e6ca3277efa77497b662e6 This is my first post to the list. I joined out of curiosity because the name loopers delight intrigued me. I originally thought more of you would be into sampler style looping (ASR-10 is my machine) rather than the whole guitar/delay/fx setup (I've done my own share of this back in the days before I could afford a $ampler..) Anyways, hi folks! Now onto my main interest (at least sonically), Jungle/Drum and Bass I'll give a history lesson from what I've learnt surfing the net and listening to the music - if it might bore you HIT DELETE In 1988 a new sound called Acid House took England by storm - by 1990/91 an new subgenre called hardcore evolved in which the driving 4/4 808 bass drum was complemented by sampled breakbeats from old jazz/funk/soul records. At the same time tempos were increasing from 120-130 bpm up to 145-160 bpm. These records were often distinguished by 'chipmunk' style vocal samples (timestretch wasn't invented yet) as well as a pot pourie (?) of twisted acidic drones. This was the genesis of Jungle (as well as many other styles spawned). By 1993 a distinctive darkcore movement had formed which was definitive proto-jungle. At about this time a new movement formed call Junglists and the main new ingredient was ragga samples and dub bass lines. At a tempo of 160 (the speed of the pitched up breakbeats) this music was perfectly complimented by a half tempo bassline of 80 bpm. This music exploded in London in 1994/95 and became known as Ragga jungle gaining widespread underground acceptance, at least among the open minded underground dance community. This form relied on samples of three main breakbeats, the most famous and floor smashing being known as "Amen", sampled from "Amen brother" - by the Winstons. This scene however became plagued by images of violence - the samples used reflected the very dark, violent nature of a life of poverty in Jamaica, as sung/chatted in ragga music. Incidences of violence occured after a certain gangsta/rudeboy element was attracted to the music. Consequently the scene suffered. Spurred by this and the very nature of exploration and evolution of sonic sculpture that defines jungle a new, separate movement evolved known, for want of a better term as 'intelligent'. This form was more concerned with atmospherics on a more subtle level with synth washes, ambient sounds and a general cool restaint - more programmed breakbeats, not the grungy old sampled loops (sarcastically referred to as Dolphin music by fans of the more hardcore sound). Principally the names Intelligent and Drum and Bass were coined as a way of distancing the new pioneers from the old ragga style which fell into a rut. By 1996 people had moved on from the ragga sound and many new subgenres of Drum and Bass began to emerge - eg Techstep, Hardstep, Jump-up - Basically its all Jungle though! As for breakbeats their origins are in 60's soul music - people such as James Brown would orchestrate a section in a song in which the rest of the band would break down leaving just the drums, 'giving the drummer some!' - a miniature drum solo loaded with sycopation and funky groove. This is why these drum beats are so good to sample - because they are 'clean'. Incidentally the origins of hip hop date to the mid 70's when Kool Herc pioneered the oldschool break dancing movement (although people used to break to the old soul records) by taking two copies of the sampled break on two turntables and repeating these phrases, switching from turntable to turntable to form an extended break for people to move to. And of course the most famous breakbeat of all time - James Browns 'Funky Drummer'. I think the reference to backbeat describes the programmed element of the beats in this style of music - a simple backing track over which to sampled breakbeat loops can be intermitently inserted. Anyway, hope I was of some assistance and didn't bore ya too much!!! Tim Fitzsimons From: "Lee Wordsman" I'm totally unfamiliar with some of the styles of music that have been bandied about on this list. Anyone want to take a shot at defining jungle, d&b, and the term breakbeat as opposed to backbeat. I also deleted Andre La Fosse's post that had his web address. Andre, I'd love to stop by your sight and hear some of this music. Could you repost your URL. TIA Jason Secord wrote: > Leo, > As far as I'm concerned, once you've mapped out your basic backbeat > and layers of breakbeat and bass all that's left is the looping... and > it is too much fun... A friend and I made some really cool slow-funk > groove a couple days ago by basically following this method, except w/o > a computer... > I'd love to have access to software like Cubase and Soundforge but > I'm too poor to care at the moment. We do our best impersonation by > composing a song on the drum machine, sampling the bits and pieces we > like, playing with a multitap delay (4 continuity I suppose) and then > actively mixing all these different "loops" at mixdown. We've even been > known to use the MidiSync capability on th Jam Man to insure that we > don't go phase-crazy. > Hope this gives you a window on what we do... > I'm totally hip to yer ideas leo and would love to hear em. > > ciao baby > > Leonardo Cavallo wrote: > > > > At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote: > > >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's > > >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming > > >out anyway? > > > > > >C H R I S > > > > > >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders > > >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list > > >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu > > > > > > > > > > Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to > > recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do all the > > breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good results. > > I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick parts and > > looping. > > The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece of the > > drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns) but using parts of > > a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and then > > reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method. > > > > I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's with me? > > I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web page as a > > really good example to listen if you like this kind of music. > > > > ciao > > leo From ???@??? Wed May 13 10:15:31 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 05:58:02 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yZb6f-0004iC-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 05:58:01 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZb6h-0004KG-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 05:58:03 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZb6c-0004hp-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 05:57:58 -0700 From: Vgetzinger Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:52:37 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SV: My definition of Jungle Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"8lMO5D.A.qHE.NfZW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5534 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 05:57:58 -0700 X-UIDL: c35de81fbca05b4c384d449c05ccc067 Thanks alot. that was real informative Vedo From ???@??? Wed May 13 10:15:32 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 06:08:00 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yZbGJ-0005Lv-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:07:59 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZbGM-0004Se-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:08:02 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZbGG-0005LX-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:07:56 -0700 Message-ID: <355999F5.3B20BF7A@Pirnie.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:02:46 -0400 From: "Lee Wordsman" Reply-To: Lwordsman@Pirnie.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: My definition of Jungle References: <425A11598D@knoxy.agvic.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gDgiFD.A.msE.hnZW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5535 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 06:07:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 34353bc7143f9e188717b2ab82617c47 Tim and Kim and others, Thanks for the info and the web sites. I checked out the Jungle.syspace site and got to give a few tracks a listen. What I heard was not what I expected. The term Jungle comes with some heavy images and I was suprised at how pared down the few cuts I heard were. I guess I was expecting something akin to heavily layered ambient guitar except with drum beats rather than guitar notes. Tim, that was a great bit of history. Thanx for taking the time to fill us all in. Next stop, Andre La Fosse's site. Lee From ???@??? Wed May 13 10:15:33 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 06:26:38 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZbYL-0006Gp-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:26:37 -0700 Message-ID: <35599F26.1311@fredmarshall.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 06:25:00 -0700 From: fred@fredmarshall.com Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: projekt2 review sat.iman huntington L.I.New York References: <199805121538.IAA52586@scv1.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fXf9v.A.XlF.r5ZW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5536 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 06:26:37 -0700 X-UIDL: e1c8d5561cfbd397c7a804a5b7739a70 > Wow! Sounds like you had a great time. Contrast with the NY Times > review below. Seems even the big boys encounter some of the same > problems that we've discussed regarding experimental music and audience > expectations. I wonder if Mr. Watrous would have similarly criticized a > black band that drew a predominantly black audience: --------------------- - speaking of "demographically generous" . . . how about the Opera - or the Ballet - they're funded to the tune of MANY millions of $s by the feds, the states, the cities, and even hotel taxes(actually to the LOOP of millions of $s, since they get it, and more, every year - automatically). - someone should try to describe those art forms by their audiences - --------------------- - although i've never heard the band mentioned in person, they must be more accomplished in their art form than that "critic" is in his craft, or he would have written his review in such a way that the following "three-dot PR distillation" wouldn't be possible: --------------------- Fine-Tuning Appeal for a Certain Audience Projekct Two Irving Plaza Sociologists looking for the demographic connection between bands and their audiences have a good test case in Projekct Two, a King Crimson spinoff group featuring Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew and Trey Gunn. Maybe it's the music's athleticism . . . All three used all sorts of samples and synthesizers to change the sound of their instruments. The sound of organs and synthesized strings and pianos wafted in and out of the music. Mr. Fripp and Mr. Gunn often swapped solo space, with Mr. Gunn sometimes holding long, distorted notes as a background for Mr. Fripp's buzzing note flurries. With all the simulated instruments available, the three musicians created walls of sound. . . . there was no getting away from the feeling that somewhere, under all the blur and noise, they were . . . actually thinking through the problems of making music demographically generous. ------------------------ - 90% of what was said was very positive - however, . . . although seeming blissfully unaware of the "ho lotta loopin" that was goin on . . . the reviewer seems to imply that loopers can't get laid . . . at least in NY . . . perhaps a visit to San Francisco would help . . . where the freaks (of all genders) like it (music of all persuasions) freaky. - and as far a getting paid? it's like the jazz musician who won the lottery. When somebody asked what he was going to do with all the money, he said "I guess i'll just keep on working until it runs out". mmmmmmm From ???@??? Wed May 13 10:15:35 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 06:42:46 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZbnx-0007Mo-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:42:45 -0700 Message-ID: <3559A24A.F3680A83@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:38:18 -0400 From: Jason Secord X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: projekt2 review sat.iman huntington L.I.New York References: <2cf87528.35589eaf@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"swJKHC.A._hG.5IaW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5537 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 06:42:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 1adda5e18b3a50f149ce7add25443791 good werk ****em all KRosser414 wrote: > > In a message dated 98-05-12 13:35:01 EDT, you write: > > >> But there was no getting away from the > >> feeling that somewhere, under all the blur and noise, they were taking > >> more of an interest in the technological possibilities of their > >> instruments than in actually thinking through the problems of making > > >music demographically generous. > >> -- PETER WATROUS > > < Not being a fan of Fripp's music in general . . . > > < Let me just say that this reviewer sounds a like a total horse's ass. > > < Next time the paper should send someone who isn't predisposed to dislike > > Peter Watrous aroused a good deal of ire among many when he wrote an article > in the NY Times a few years back which started as a review (scathingly > negative) of the latest electric Wayne Shorter record, "High Life", but wasn't > content to stop there. In essence, he went on to blame Miles Davis' post-In A > Silent Way direction for not only ruining jazz, but for corrupting a > generation of musicians (Herbie, Wayne, McLaughlin, Zawinul etc) that spread > out and ruined music on a level Miles couldn't do himself. > > On McLaughlin's cover story in Guitar Player a few years back, the interviewer > read him the article. McLaughlin at first became noticeably angry but then > fired back what I thought was a pretty level-headed, common-sense comeback. I > belonged to a Miles Davis internet mailing list which Watrous joined. I > copied the pertinent parts of the McLaughlin interview and sent them to the > list (without any editorializing on my part) and invited Watrous to post his > reactions and/or arguments to McLaughlin's rebuttal. Not only did he not > respond, I believe he left the list. > > Ken R > From ???@??? Wed May 13 10:15:36 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 06:49:08 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZbu8-00006a-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:49:08 -0700 Message-ID: <3559A3AA.7DAE9434@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:44:10 -0400 From: Jason Secord X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re looped 2 delite References: <425A11598D@knoxy.agvic.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4XWa8B.A.xAH.aOaW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5538 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 06:49:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 824503370c3bdf091e54d4d0dc6d695b tim, That's the most technically adept and accurate history of drum-n'bass/jungle I've ever seen or heard, or read.... anyway. you are sonically intact, my man. Tim Fitzsimons wrote: > > This is my first post to the list. I joined out of curiosity because > the name loopers delight intrigued me. I originally thought more of > you would be into sampler style looping (ASR-10 is my machine) > rather than the whole guitar/delay/fx setup (I've done my own share > of this back in the days before I could afford a $ampler..) > Anyways, hi folks! > > Now onto my main interest (at least sonically), Jungle/Drum and Bass > I'll give a history lesson from what I've learnt surfing the net and > listening to the music - if it might bore you HIT DELETE > In 1988 a new sound called Acid House took England by storm - by > 1990/91 an new subgenre called hardcore evolved in which the driving > 4/4 808 bass drum was complemented by sampled breakbeats from old > jazz/funk/soul records. At the same time tempos were increasing from > 120-130 bpm up to 145-160 bpm. These records were often distinguished > by 'chipmunk' style vocal samples (timestretch wasn't invented yet) > as well as a pot pourie (?) of twisted acidic drones. This was the > genesis of Jungle (as well as many other styles spawned). By 1993 a > distinctive darkcore movement had formed which was definitive > proto-jungle. At about this time a new movement formed call Junglists > and the main new ingredient was ragga samples and dub bass lines. > At a tempo of 160 (the speed of the pitched up breakbeats) this music > was perfectly complimented by a half tempo bassline of 80 bpm. > This music exploded in London in 1994/95 and became known as Ragga > jungle gaining widespread underground acceptance, at least among the > open minded underground dance community. This form relied on samples > of three main breakbeats, the most famous and floor smashing being > known as "Amen", sampled from "Amen brother" - by the Winstons. > This scene however became plagued by images of violence - the samples > used reflected the very dark, violent nature of a life of poverty in > Jamaica, as sung/chatted in ragga music. Incidences of violence > occured after a certain gangsta/rudeboy element was attracted to the > music. Consequently the scene suffered. Spurred by this and the very > nature of exploration and evolution of sonic sculpture that defines > jungle a new, separate movement evolved known, for want of a better > term as 'intelligent'. This form was more concerned with atmospherics > on a more subtle level with synth washes, ambient sounds and a > general cool restaint - more programmed breakbeats, not the grungy > old sampled loops (sarcastically referred to as Dolphin music by fans > of the more hardcore sound). > Principally the names Intelligent and Drum and Bass were coined as a > way of distancing the new pioneers from the old ragga style which > fell into a rut. By 1996 people had moved on from the ragga sound and > many new subgenres of Drum and Bass began to emerge - eg Techstep, > Hardstep, Jump-up - Basically its all Jungle though! > As for breakbeats their origins are in 60's soul music - people such > as James Brown would orchestrate a section in a song in which the > rest of the band would break down leaving just the drums, 'giving the > drummer some!' - a miniature drum solo loaded with sycopation and > funky groove. This is why these drum beats are so good to sample - > because they are 'clean'. Incidentally the origins of hip hop date to > the mid 70's when Kool Herc pioneered the oldschool break dancing > movement (although people used to break to the old soul records) by > taking two copies of the sampled break on two turntables and repeating > these phrases, switching from turntable to turntable to form an > extended break for people to move to. And of course the most famous > breakbeat of all time - James Browns 'Funky Drummer'. > I think the reference to backbeat describes the programmed element of > the beats in this style of music - a simple backing track over which > to sampled breakbeat loops can be intermitently inserted. > > Anyway, hope I was of some assistance and didn't bore ya too much!!! > > Tim Fitzsimons > > From: "Lee Wordsman" > > I'm totally unfamiliar with some of the styles of music that have been bandied > about on this list. Anyone want to take a shot at defining jungle, d&b, and the > term breakbeat as opposed to backbeat. > > I also deleted Andre La Fosse's post that had his web address. Andre, I'd love to > stop by your sight and hear some of this music. Could you repost your URL. TIA > > Jason Secord wrote: > > > Leo, > > As far as I'm concerned, once you've mapped out your basic backbeat > > and layers of breakbeat and bass all that's left is the looping... and > > it is too much fun... A friend and I made some really cool slow-funk > > groove a couple days ago by basically following this method, except w/o > > a computer... > > I'd love to have access to software like Cubase and Soundforge but > > I'm too poor to care at the moment. We do our best impersonation by > > composing a song on the drum machine, sampling the bits and pieces we > > like, playing with a multitap delay (4 continuity I suppose) and then > > actively mixing all these different "loops" at mixdown. We've even been > > known to use the MidiSync capability on th Jam Man to insure that we > > don't go phase-crazy. > > Hope this gives you a window on what we do... > > I'm totally hip to yer ideas leo and would love to hear em. > > > > ciao baby > > > > Leonardo Cavallo wrote: > > > > > > At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote: > > > >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's > > > >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming > > > >out anyway? > > > > > > > >C H R I S > > > > > > > >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders > > > >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list > > > >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to > > > recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do all the > > > breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good results. > > > I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick parts and > > > looping. > > > The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece of the > > > drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns) but using parts of > > > a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and then > > > reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method. > > > > > > I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's with me? > > > I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web page as a > > > really good example to listen if you like this kind of music. > > > > > > ciao > > > leo From ???@??? Wed May 13 10:15:52 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:06:36 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZezC-00058u-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:06:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199805131700.TAA04737@ammi.mclink.it> X-Sender: mc7735@mail.mclink.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 19:03:16 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Salvatore Passaro Subject: Echoplex in Europe! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ftMsLB.A.0UE.SHdW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5539 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:06:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 225858c5ec78e827b462fcfa87829a2a Italian Dealer said that Echoplex Digital Pro will be available in Italy and Europe next month. Is this true. DO you know something? Salvatore From ???@??? Wed May 13 22:58:28 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:55:55 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZggz-0005dS-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:55:53 -0700 Sender: rob Message-ID: <3559EB2D.3FEB0904@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:49:17 +0000 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex in Europe! References: <199805131700.TAA04737@ammi.mclink.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ocXMOB.A.WyE.TteW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5540 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:55:53 -0700 X-UIDL: bcb56433fed2d7c513cbae87b0894288 Salvatore Passaro wrote: > > Italian Dealer said that Echoplex Digital Pro will be available in Italy > and Europe next month. > Is this true. > > DO you know something? > > Salvatore THAT would be great! :) Robert From ???@??? Wed May 13 22:58:34 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:27:59 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZi86-0004nq-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:27:58 -0700 Sender: randy@cdac.com Message-ID: <355A009A.F222448C@cdac.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:20:42 -0700 From: Randy Reichenbach Organization: Cascade Design Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sodonne@vm.temple.edu CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: circuit diagram References: <355894B4.5A4FFC9C@vm.temple.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OwQE4B.A.U3D.kCgW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5541 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:27:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 20c9003e47d20c9709a01c2f430a7cbd Sean, Do you mean switches, or continuous type controllers like pedals, knobs, etc. ? I have some schematics for continuous controllers somewhere, but in the meantime check: http://www.wcug.wwu.edu/~jamie/schems.html http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/#sch -- Peace ... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ====== = Randy Reichenbach randy@cdac.com = // || \\ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= || || || = Physical Design Engineer (VLSI-CAD) = || //\\ || = Cascade Design Automation = \\//__\\// = 3650 131st Ave SE, Suite 650 = `------' = Bellevue, Washington 98006 = = Tel: 425.643.0200 Fax: 425.649.7600 = ... Get some! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Once upon a time Sean O'Donnell wrote: > > I'm thinking of building a little interface for my Digitech Time Machine > 7.6 which has five inputs for voltage controllers on the back. I am an > amateur with the ol' soldering iron and just built some basic > microphones and think that I could handle building simple circuits for > my voltage control needs. Does anyone know of a good place where I could > find some diagrams for making voltage control switches? I suppose I > could look at my store bought pedals and figure it out, but I like to > have some proven schematics whenever possible. > > Sean From ???@??? Wed May 13 22:58:39 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:16:27 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZjp4-0005XF-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:16:26 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:09:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Portland, OR. show, 5/15 Resent-Message-ID: <"aa1cXD.A.xjE.snhW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5542 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:16:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 30ee7b5f8b35fa2e2d870a848ad9f2e3 Hi, Sorry for the intrusion, but since there seems to be a few Portland folks on the list, I thought I'd mention this. Minus is playing the Satyricon on Friday, May 15, along with Village Idiot, and, from Seattle, Tim Young's Very Special Forces. Minus is Mark France on guitar, Henry Franzoni on drums, Matt Calkins on tenor and bari saxes, John Hendricks on trumpet and myself on bass and keyboards. We play noisy improvisational funk and dub, kind of a painkiller meets cluster meets '70's electric Miles Davis type of thing. On a bad day, we will do covers of Black Sabbath, Ennio Morricone and the Smashing Pumpkins. This is our first PDX gig in a few years, with our new horn section and compositions. Any Portland loopers who make it to the show, please say hi! ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Wed May 13 22:58:44 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:57:22 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZmKn-0001Wg-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:57:21 -0700 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <68316e82.355a3d9f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:41:02 EDT To: stickwire-l@majordomo.netcom.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sat Gig Content-type: text/plain X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"wKSV3.A.Z_.qAkW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5543 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:57:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 978269f762ec072ac68bdb81d3a49ca8 "Explorations in Time and Space" - Soundscapes and Improvisations - Paul Mimlitsch (Stick¨/Loops) and Jody Janetta (percussion) at "Garden of Eden Restaurant" (specializing in vegetarian fare (with some animal protein available for the omnivores out there) ). Ramblewood Pkwy./Rt. 73, Mt. Laurel, N.J. Info: (609)778-1971 This Sat. May 16th. 7-9pm From ???@??? Wed May 13 22:58:45 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:10:16 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZmXH-0002YF-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:10:15 -0700 From: Texture444 Message-ID: <4e7e075b.355a434c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:05:15 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: friday gig at the knitting factory, nyc Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"mrM9WC.A.qBC.3NkW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5544 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:10:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 23dcf2bfe1041839f2f947a8f2fc0ca4 hey, all: sorry i not too vocal, of late. anyways: gtr oblique (vernon reid, elliot sharp, d. torn) are gonna be performing at the knitting factory, leonard st, nyc: 2 shows, 8 & 10 pm: show 1: pseudo-acoustic show 2: electric both shows are, as it happens, being recorded for an actual release, and both shows will loop around a bit, yo. maybe seeya there, best, dt From ???@??? Wed May 13 22:58:46 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 19:20:23 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZnd8-0006Vw-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:20:22 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: friday gig at the knitting factory, nyc Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:11:26 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd7edd$99982880$LocalHost@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"FSIg1D.A.yxF.bPlW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5545 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 19:20:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 658452aeb12e255e7466bd34637b1f29 Mr. Torn, Do you have any knowledge of anyone from the KFW's staff going to be recording the programs, because I know I would like to hear the music off of CD's. I'm sure a few more on this list would like to see (or hear) that happen. Thanks for all your great music. Jeff Collins collinsclan@sprintmail.com OR strangetone@yahoo.com -----Original Message----- From: Texture444 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 9:08 PM Subject: friday gig at the knitting factory, nyc >hey, all: >sorry i not too vocal, of late. >anyways: >gtr oblique (vernon reid, elliot sharp, d. torn) are gonna be performing >at the knitting factory, leonard st, nyc: >2 shows, 8 & 10 pm: >show 1: pseudo-acoustic >show 2: electric >both shows are, as it happens, being recorded for an actual release, and >both shows will loop around a bit, yo. >maybe seeya there, >best, >dt > > From ???@??? Wed May 13 22:58:47 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:19:46 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZpUe-0005Zd-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:19:44 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: To DT...Sorry Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:10:55 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd7eee$4a58ed20$LocalHost@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD7ECC.C3474D20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"dTVvrB.A.P4E.8_mW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5546 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:19:44 -0700 X-UIDL: 83f4816c9f72c9dd2d13ff7223cb1817
Apparently I wasn't reading hard enough to realize that you mentioned that within your post. Please forgive my anxiousness.
Jeff Collins
From ???@??? Wed May 13 22:58:51 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:06:16 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZqDf-0000Hp-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:06:15 -0700 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: <3058924a.355a7ab6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 01:01:40 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: a chat question.......... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 81 Resent-Message-ID: <"w0iCkC.A.LTH.nrnW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5547 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:06:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 764e694ea1754b0a72244269ece5e4f1 first-i would like to thank kim for hosting this site.........its a daily jolt-o-fun second-thanks to all LD folk for all your ideas and most helpful info. now here is the question: at times, i go to a music chat room, 90% of the time it is, your in your out, very little to no exchange of ideas. on occasion, there have been times when kindred spirits were present and it was most informative and very much fun. i think it would be neat to have a little Loopers Delight pow-wow every now and then and exchange thoughts and questions in real time. is it possible to do this with our present level of computer maddness?? i have no idea what-so-ever. perhaps there is no interest in this or perhaps it is impossible at the present time or perhaps this is just another goofy idea of mine.....but i had to throw it out there...........just gettin older and loopier..........................michael From ???@??? Wed May 13 22:58:52 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:23:01 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZqTs-0001Ci-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:23:00 -0700 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: <56c7ebcd.355a7eda@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 01:19:21 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: oh and by the way........... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 81 Resent-Message-ID: <"XPhbmC.A.84.A8nW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5548 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:23:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 136728205a98267cee4eddb2667a4ee3 this sunday, may 17, i'm appearing in my bedroom for a free concert of my most up-to-date efforts. please wear you Looper Delight hats so i can tell who you are! just had to say it........sorry.......... :)...................michael From ???@??? Wed May 13 23:49:26 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:49:38 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yZrpi-000594-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:49:38 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZrpl-0002Ku-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:49:41 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZrpf-00058m-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:49:35 -0700 Message-ID: <026e01bd7ef8$4d067560$7bf2ffd0@default> From: "Misha" To: Subject: Re: a chat question.......... Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 01:22:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"XOp-0C.A.OkE.3MpW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5550 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:49:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 92143c88015b7e6b6810467cf685cfc4 great idea, the IRC would be a great place to meet, we can even set up a room called 'Looper's Delight'...for more info on IRC, go to: http://www.mirc.co.uk/ You can sometimes find me in channel #guitar as 'Mincer', on the Undernet (a set of IRC 'servers'; the web page will explain...)-we can either set up meeting times, or just randomly visit and see who is around. Certainly it would be a different way of communicating. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 -----Original Message----- From: NEMOGUIT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 1998 1:06 AM Subject: a chat question.......... >first-i would like to thank kim for hosting this site.........its a daily >jolt-o-fun >second-thanks to all LD folk for all your ideas and most helpful info. >now here is the question: >at times, i go to a music chat room, 90% of the time it is, your in your out, >very little to no exchange of ideas. on occasion, there have been times when >kindred spirits were present and it was most informative and very much fun. >i think it would be neat to have a little Loopers Delight pow-wow every now >and then and exchange thoughts and questions in real time. >is it possible to do this with our present level of computer maddness?? i have >no idea what-so-ever. >perhaps there is no interest in this or perhaps it is impossible at the >present time or perhaps this is just another goofy idea of mine.....but i had >to throw it out there...........just gettin older and >loopier..........................michael > From ???@??? Wed May 13 23:29:29 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:11:28 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZrEl-0003SV-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:11:27 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199805131700.TAA04737@ammi.mclink.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:06:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex in Europe! Resent-Message-ID: <"0cH-UD.A.U9C.OooW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5549 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:11:27 -0700 X-UIDL: cd95a2e5e2b245a201fdff91a7934bdc Status: O X-Status: At 7:03 PM +0200 5/13/98, Salvatore Passaro wrote: >Italian Dealer said that Echoplex Digital Pro will be available in Italy >and Europe next month. >Is this true. > >DO you know something? > >Salvatore The official word from Oberheim is still that they will have Echoplexes shipping in Europe in September. but hey, at least the date is the same as last time! nice that they finally have people there who do the things they say they are going to do. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu May 14 00:13:59 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:06:25 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZs5w-0005we-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:06:24 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: oh and by the way........... Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 03:00:48 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd7f06$06597820$8008bfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"LEoMoD.A.1WF.1cpW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5551 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:06:24 -0700 X-UIDL: c45dba3d0af639320ce548dcf2cffb61 I hope you get a lot of people to go. HaHa. Jeff Collins -----Original Message----- From: NEMOGUIT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 1998 1:21 AM Subject: oh and by the way........... >this sunday, may 17, i'm appearing in my bedroom for a free concert of my >most up-to-date efforts. please wear you Looper Delight hats so i can tell who >you are! >just had to say it........sorry.......... :)...................michael > > From ???@??? Thu May 14 10:22:31 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 14 May 1998 05:19:51 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZwzH-0000gN-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:19:51 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980514081534.007cb800@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:15:34 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: a chat question.......... In-Reply-To: <3058924a.355a7ab6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"VMJisB.A.aU.c_tW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5552 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 05:19:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 70dd6eae7c1f09453fea536f4afd4b25 At 01:01 AM 5/14/98 EDT, you wrote: >now here is the question: >at times, i go to a music chat room, 90% of the time it is, your > in your out,...... > >i think it would be neat to have a little Loopers Delight pow-wow > every now and then and exchange thoughts and questions in real time. >is it possible to do this with our present level of computer maddness?? I've never used an aol chat room or irc, but there is chat client/server software called the Palace (http://www.palacespace.com) that offers graphic interactive creative chat environments. You can create your own graphic avatars and even your own server where you creat the images and sounds. Is anyone else on this list familiar with the Palace? **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From ???@??? Thu May 14 10:22:39 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:49:58 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZyOT-0004Qz-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:49:57 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: a chat question.......... Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:42:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bd7f3e$2b8b6ee0$d61f8ed1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <026e01bd7ef8$4d067560$7bf2ffd0@default> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"KMEYAC.A.4uD.CTvW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5553 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:49:57 -0700 X-UIDL: b6581fd2395f72e4981655306ed54c0b I really like this idea. I've been to the IRC plenty, and it's very convenient. I agree it would be best if we all set up certain times to "meet." I think we are too few to bet we'll see somebody in the room at random times. I know some people who set up their own room. They even have their own website for their little IRC room. Kim? What do you think? Javier Berkeley, Calif. -----Original Message----- From: Misha [mailto:artmusic@gte.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 10:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: a chat question.......... great idea, the IRC would be a great place to meet, we can even set up a room called 'Looper's Delight'...for more info on IRC, go to: http://www.mirc.co.uk/ You can sometimes find me in channel #guitar as 'Mincer', on the Undernet (a set of IRC 'servers'; the web page will explain...)-we can either set up meeting times, or just randomly visit and see who is around. Certainly it would be a different way of communicating. Dave Eichenberger From ???@??? Thu May 14 10:22:44 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:08:51 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yZygj-0005eB-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:08:49 -0700 From: Dpcoffin Message-ID: <32bfccb.355af926@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:01:08 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Where to sell mini-sampler? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"OUXhT.A.oyE.UlvW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5554 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:08:49 -0700 X-UIDL: fbd950fa6a8bd7857c01df78b6ea9ed4 Sorry for the interruption, but I'll be brief: I've got an unused Boss 202 Dr. Sample that I want to sell, but all my previous web sales have been via the guitar-related lists I know of. Any clues about where I should post this little toy? e-mail below...thanks! DPC dcoffin@taunton.com dpcoffin@aol.com From ???@??? Thu May 14 10:22:52 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:41:25 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ya08K-0003Lb-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:41:24 -0700 X-Sender: pmurphy@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:32:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Pat Murphy Subject: A Loop about nothing In-Reply-To: <32bfccb.355af926@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <98May14.103022cdt.26890@gateway.gibson.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"PYmycB.A.mcC.n7wW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5555 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:41:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 65b993eb740db491bb6a76dbf1e1fe29 I plugged the guitar into the Echoplex and yadda yadda yadda, next thing I new I had a recording contract and a million bucks. There will be no looping tonight from 8:00 to 10:00 EST in honor of the final Seinfeld. From ???@??? Thu May 14 10:22:53 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:48:54 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0ya0FX-0004AL-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:48:51 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ya0FZ-0001GL-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:48:53 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ya0FU-00049w-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:48:48 -0700 Message-ID: <355B119F.2B2717A8@intcpi.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:45:36 -0400 From: "John Price" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: A Loop about nothing References: <98May14.103022cdt.26890@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RxWgY.A.tLD.-CxW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5556 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:48:48 -0700 X-UIDL: aa542fa659c4971ab2251921df64dd7f Pat Murphy wrote: > I plugged the guitar into the Echoplex and yadda yadda yadda, next thing I > new I had a recording contract and a million bucks. > > There will be no looping tonight from 8:00 to 10:00 EST in honor of the > final Seinfeld. LoL !!! From ???@??? Thu May 14 10:22:56 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:41:30 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ya14P-0000Pq-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:41:25 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980514163337.006ef2bc@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:33:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Where to sell mini-sampler? Resent-Message-ID: <"oou77C.A.JMH.G1xW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5557 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:41:25 -0700 X-UIDL: d0d5dea16cb01da8cf77cc7ceaa084fd At 10.01 14/05/98 EDT, you wrote: >Sorry for the interruption, but I'll be brief: >I've got an unused Boss 202 Dr. Sample that I want to sell, but all my >previous web sales have been via the guitar-related lists I know of. Any clues >about where I should post this little toy? e-mail below...thanks! >DPC >dcoffin@taunton.com >dpcoffin@aol.com > > let me know more privately. I could be interested.... ciao leo From ???@??? Thu May 14 10:23:00 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:08:54 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ya1Uz-0002eW-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:08:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:02:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: A Loop about nothing In-Reply-To: <98May14.103022cdt.26890@gateway.gibson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"uT3e-B.A.k_B.jPyW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5558 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:08:53 -0700 X-UIDL: f1d967f7654426b9aa7fadfbd2c4334d On Thu, 14 May 1998, Pat Murphy wrote: > There will be no looping tonight from 8:00 to 10:00 EST in honor of the > final Seinfeld. Well, there'll be looping in Baltimore since we've got a gig tonight. But in homage, I'll comb my hair straight up and trip over my pedals when I get on stage. Anyone who is torn (not you David) between staying home and coming out, email me for free VCR programming tips. "Free your ass from the couch and your mind will follow." -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Thu May 14 11:14:17 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:09:55 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0ya2S2-0007eM-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:09:54 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ya2S2-0004a8-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:09:54 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ya2S0-0007eC-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:09:52 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000201bd7f3e$2b8b6ee0$d61f8ed1@electra> References: <026e01bd7ef8$4d067560$7bf2ffd0@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:40:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: a chat question.......... Resent-Message-ID: <"XqFG5B.A.IrG.SIzW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5559 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:09:52 -0700 X-UIDL: ed4a9072ee53aeb9e9a31419e515866e At 6:42 AM -0700 5/14/98, Javier Miranda V. wrote: >I really like this idea. I've been to the IRC plenty, and it's very >convenient. I agree it would be best if we all set up certain times to >"meet." I think we are too few to bet we'll see somebody in the room at >random times. > >I know some people who set up their own room. They even have their own >website for their little IRC room. > >Kim? What do you think? I think it's a fine idea that I have no time to do anything about. If you guys want to go set up a Looper's Delight chat room somewhere, by all means go ahead! Let me know where it is and I'll put it on the web site. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu May 14 22:03:54 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:23:59 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ya2fc-0001C8-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:23:56 -0700 Message-ID: <002801bd7f64$bd5eb680$b023dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: A Loop about nothing Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:18:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"EFhCoD.A.Bp.PWzW1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5560 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:23:56 -0700 X-UIDL: b3b8d2aacb2e18d4cf2b55294ff80afb >> There will be no looping tonight from 8:00 to 10:00 EST in honor of the >> final Seinfeld. > >Well, there'll be looping in Baltimore since we've got a gig tonight. But >in homage, I'll comb my hair straight up and trip over my pedals when I >get on stage. If you're going to do THAT you should also make a very fast entrance. :) Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Thu May 14 22:03:56 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:59:55 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ya4AU-0000hU-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:59:54 -0700 From: Crossedout Message-ID: <77eb10b8.355b4b48@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:51:35 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: a chat question.......... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"YzZ-NB.A.sLH.vt0W1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5561 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:59:54 -0700 X-UIDL: fcbbc2cbb2da2a9f3657d80aaad05232 In a message dated 98-05-14 01:05:06 EDT, you write: << i think it would be neat to have a little Loopers Delight pow-wow every now and then and exchange thoughts and questions in real time. >> I think it's an excellent idea, having run into the same chat-room disappointments repeatedly. The problem is that some internet providers do not offer IRC (internet relay chat), and some people on this list are probably using e-mail-only systems, not full web-access services. But if it can be worked out, let everybody know!! - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Thu May 14 22:03:57 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:00:30 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ya4B0-0000lP-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:00:26 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ya4Az-00072g-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:00:25 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ya4Aw-0000kt-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:00:22 -0700 From: Crossedout Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:53:31 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: oh and by the way........... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"tC4gW.A.oB.lv0W1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5562 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:00:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 142da3eab38873977fb0d8fbbaadf401 In a message dated 98-05-14 01:21:57 EDT, you write: << this sunday, may 17, i'm appearing in my bedroom for a free concert of my most up-to-date efforts. please wear you Looper Delight hats so i can tell who you are! >> Will there be a live web-cast of the event? What's the URL? Are you burning a cd live as well? The public wants to know....hahahahahaha - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Thu May 14 22:04:11 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:29:01 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ya6Ul-0003jA-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 15:28:59 -0700 Message-ID: <355B6EFF.3FF99DC8@mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:23:59 -0400 From: Jason Secord X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: oh and by the way........... References: <56c7ebcd.355a7eda@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bqP8SD.A.4AD.u72W1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5564 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:28:59 -0700 X-UIDL: a4499682440665631e0735eb76b2c874 :):):):):):):):)):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):))):):):):0) NEMOGUIT wrote: > > this sunday, may 17, i'm appearing in my bedroom for a free concert of my > most up-to-date efforts. please wear you Looper Delight hats so i can tell who > you are! > just had to say it........sorry.......... :)...................michael From ???@??? Thu May 14 22:04:17 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:21:49 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ya7Js-0007Uj-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:21:48 -0700 Message-ID: <355B7B8C.4E60FCA2@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:17:33 -0400 From: Jeff & Mary Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: subscribe References: <355B68EF.6D69@spa.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"g7MwjC.A.kjG.It3W1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5565 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:21:48 -0700 X-UIDL: da2e25e71c17548d3619675e2e59f268 jus go to http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html and follow the directions there.Welcome, Jeff Duke alain pinero wolter wrote: > I would like to be in contact with the looping family! > my e-mail address : alaintap@spa.es > Alain Pinero From ???@??? Fri May 15 02:24:14 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:02:47 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaGO7-0004Ah-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:02:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:55:19 +0100 Message-ID: <001229AB.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Looping near London (oh and by the way...........) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Jason Secord Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"aFnKHC.A.BnD.vNAX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5566 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:02:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 320be17b2fdcfe02c044ce9547d30ce6 In a determined bid to travel one step beyond, on Sunday 17th May I will move the contents of my front room to the Balcony Bar of the Croydon Clocktower (Croydon, Surrey). Between 7 and 8 pm I will a adopt an unashamedly ambient stance, looping the output of my ebowed telecaster on two JamPersons and some Reflexive reverb. You may then wish to adjourn to the Braithwaite Hall to hear Antonio Forcione & Neil Stacey, who also engage in intermittent loopage. Looper Delight hats will not on this occasion be mandatory. The following site includes a map of the Croydon area for uncertain travellers, plus 3 new examples of what to expect should you arrive. David From ???@??? Fri May 15 09:41:26 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:56:42 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaHEH-00067q-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:56:41 -0700 Message-ID: <355C10D8.D29D6EDA@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 05:54:32 -0400 From: Jeff & Mary Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: a chat question.......... References: <3.0.5.32.19980514081534.007cb800@popmail.voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ff9IOC.A.JgF.RCBX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5567 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:56:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 16e99116b440feb12989c294df8c154a I have not been there ,however I have used ICQ for a long time and it works great,you dont need a server or chat room and you can talk around the world or send messeges,etc .http://www.download.com/PC/Result/TitleDetail/0,4,0-19877-g,00.html?bt.mirab.l2.g19877.cat37 Jeff Floyd Miller wrote: > At 01:01 AM 5/14/98 EDT, you wrote: > >now here is the question: > >at times, i go to a music chat room, 90% of the time it is, your > > in your out,...... > > > >i think it would be neat to have a little Loopers Delight pow-wow > > every now and then and exchange thoughts and questions in real time. > >is it possible to do this with our present level of computer maddness?? > > I've never used an aol chat room or irc, but there is chat > client/server software called the Palace (http://www.palacespace.com) > that offers graphic interactive creative chat environments. You > can create your own graphic avatars and even your own server where > you creat the images and sounds. > > Is anyone else on this list familiar with the Palace? > > **************** > ********** Floyd Miller > ****** floyd@voicenet.com > ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From ???@??? Fri May 15 09:41:27 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 15 May 1998 03:26:52 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaHhT-0007K4-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:26:51 -0700 Message-ID: <002601bd7feb$626a07c0$0f22dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Tribute: Frank Sinatra (1915-1998) at EarthLight Studios Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 03:22:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"cM013B.A.xpG.BeBX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5568 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 03:26:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 7e7e3d9509755df6435ea478513ae665 Perhaps America's greatest singer of the 20th Century, the man known simultaneously to millions as "Sinatra", "The Chairman Of The Board", "Frank", and "Ol' Blue Eyes" brought us music that people will be growing into for generations to come. His passing, while no surprise, is a loss felt by all; but we are all the richer for his stay on this planet. This Saturday, in memory of Frank Sinatra (1915-1998), his music and legendary stature, we at EarthLight Studios dedicate the Loop Of The Week. The belief that music CAN bring peace in many forms is not only valid, but necessary. Do drop into EarthLight Studios (at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios in case you didn't get it yet) and have a listen, hopefully enjoy if not reflect in an Electric Tea Garden made of sound, and let us know what you think. Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions-Studios http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Fri May 15 09:41:57 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:11:56 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaN5P-0006Tc-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:11:55 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:04:21 -0500 (CDT) From: John Roseborough X-Sender: jrose@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fruit Loops In-Reply-To: <3555C3F8.68DA5E24@mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"C_-Tu.A.GdF.qeGX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5569 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:11:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 4204dc8e05dae8941b1d66337f1f1cb2 Can someone post a URL for the Fruit Loops software mentioned below? All I've found in my net searches are pages about cereal boxes... :P I downloaded Hammerhead last week, now that I've also got a PC setup for audio. I love it's interface... now I just need to make some new samples for it. BTW, is there a web site dedicated to sharing Hammerhead files or samples? I'm looking for more drum+bass style loops. John > Leonardo Cavallo wrote: > > > > At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote: > > >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's > > >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming > > >out anyway? > > > > > >C H R I S > > > > > >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders > > >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list > > >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu > > > > > > > > > > Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to > > recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do all the > > breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good results. > > I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick parts and > > looping. > > The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece of the > > drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns) but using parts of > > a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and then > > reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method. > > > > I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's with me? > > I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web page as a > > really good example to listen if you like this kind of music. > > > > ciao > > leo > > From ???@??? Fri May 15 09:41:58 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:26:42 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaNJg-0007kC-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:26:40 -0700 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD02CA155@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: CMP CDs Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:19:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"_x4wHB.A.JxG.ltGX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5570 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:26:40 -0700 X-UIDL: bc671734e59227764ef0cb5182be6002 For those who will be interested. I just got the new Wayside Music Mail Order Catalog. In it they have a couple of Torn's CMP CDs as well as some by Trilok Gurtu (also Trey Gunn and Torn with Bozzio/Karn). Pretty decent prices? Their website is http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/cuneiform.html They have a fax number (301* 589-1819), but no regular telephone number listed. s.l. From ???@??? Fri May 15 11:04:25 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:27:48 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaOGn-0004vw-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:27:46 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: Looping near London (oh and by the way...........) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:16:27 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd8025$31c9dca0$5208bfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"UQl1O.A.urD.ckHX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5571 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:27:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 3ba37aee165974ba245dfcb1c91e386b Would like to be there but would like to know if you are going to record the pieces you will do? Jeff Collins collinsclan@sprintmail.com -----Original Message----- From: David Orton To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; Jason Secord Date: Friday, May 15, 1998 5:00 AM Subject: Looping near London (oh and by the way...........) > In a determined bid to travel one step beyond, on Sunday 17th May I > will move the contents of my front room to the Balcony Bar of the > Croydon Clocktower (Croydon, Surrey). Between 7 and 8 pm I will a > adopt an unashamedly ambient stance, looping the output of my ebowed > telecaster on two JamPersons and some Reflexive reverb. You may then > wish to adjourn to the Braithwaite Hall to hear Antonio Forcione & > Neil Stacey, who also engage in intermittent loopage. > > Looper Delight hats will not on this occasion be mandatory. > > The following site includes a map of the Croydon area for uncertain > travellers, plus 3 new examples of what to expect should you arrive. > > David > > > From ???@??? Sat May 16 01:25:45 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:06:31 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaOsF-0001lV-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:06:27 -0700 Message-ID: <355C81A0.54E1@efn.org> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:55:44 -0700 From: Peter Harlan Reply-To: pharlan@efn.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: pharlan@efn.org Subject: Re: Tribute: Frank Sinatra (1915-1998) at EarthLight Studios Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rKV6L.A.mc.GGIX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5572 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:06:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 7be5a03919b67cda7136bd0103c93ea6 I guess the question that's on most minds today is whether Frank caught the end of the Seinfeld show last night. From ???@??? Sat May 16 01:25:47 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:28:29 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaPDT-0004Tx-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:28:23 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199805151817.LAA09361@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: RIP Clara Rockmore To: pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu (Paolo Valladolid) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <355C81A0.54E1@efn.org> from "Peter Harlan" at May 15, 98 10:55:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2NTMzD.A.7-C.NbIX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5573 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:28:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 2abdc2fd24099808e6f21374b7132329 Clara Rockmore, virtuoso of the Theremin, also passed away this week. Paolo From ???@??? Sat May 16 01:25:50 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:47:26 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaPVr-0006oz-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:47:23 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:37:41 -0700 From: Tom Johnson To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CMP CDs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"fPXGmC.A.vgF.jvIX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5574 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:47:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 5f1f6796dfd75530f7bf4e46aa8ae7fe I couldn't find any of these on the website. Could you give some details of these? Especially the Gunn and Torn with Bozzio/Karn! Thanks, Tom Johnson 6+6 Rosewood Grand tappy@usa.net Visit TappyLand at http://www.psn.net/~tappy >I just got the new Wayside Music Mail Order Catalog. In it they have a >couple of Torn's CMP CDs as well as some by Trilok Gurtu (also Trey >Gunn and >Torn with Bozzio/Karn). >Pretty decent prices? >Their website is >http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/cuneiform.html >They have a fax number (301* 589-1819), but no regular telephone >number >listed. From ???@??? Sat May 16 01:25:51 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:05:46 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaPnb-0001Dm-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:05:43 -0700 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD02CA157@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: CMP CDs Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:54:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"lTppz.A.bD.D_IX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5575 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:05:43 -0700 X-UIDL: d6343ca9332c766af351721655ad66d2 Well, I got their catalog in the mail. Was there a number to call or an address to request the catalog listed on the website? Maybe you should try to fax 'em or write 'em, and request info . . . The fax number: (301) 589-1819 The address: Wayside Music, PO Box 8427, Silver Spring, MD 20907-8427 They want $10.00 plus shipping for Polytown, $10 ea for Tripping over God and What MEans Solid Traveler. > ---------- > From: Tom Johnson > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Friday, May 15, 1998 11:47 > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: Re: CMP CDs > > I couldn't find any of these on the website. Could you give some details > of these? Especially the Gunn and Torn with Bozzio/Karn! > > Thanks, > Tom Johnson > 6+6 Rosewood Grand > tappy@usa.net > Visit TappyLand at http://www.psn.net/~tappy > > > >I just got the new Wayside Music Mail Order Catalog. In it they have a > >couple of Torn's CMP CDs as well as some by Trilok Gurtu (also Trey > >Gunn and > >Torn with Bozzio/Karn). > > >Pretty decent prices? > > >Their website is > > >http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/cuneiform.html > > >They have a fax number (301* 589-1819), but no regular telephone > >number > >listed. > > > From ???@??? Sat May 16 01:25:53 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:35:20 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaRCG-0003dP-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:35:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199805152024.NAA05253@m4.sprynet.com> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Subject: Re: Fruit Loops Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:39:33 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1S8-JB.A.cdC.HUKX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5576 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:35:16 -0700 X-UIDL: e789f6ddfa13ebfcad825a438895c45f John, Can you tell me where you downloaded hammerhead from. I can't seem to find it anywhere, and would like to try a copy myself. Thanks, Bill Cummings ---------- > From: John Roseborough > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Fruit Loops > Date: Friday, May 15, 1998 12:04 PM > > > Can someone post a URL for the Fruit Loops software mentioned below? All > I've found in my net searches are pages about cereal boxes... :P > > I downloaded Hammerhead last week, now that I've also got a PC setup for > audio. I love it's interface... now I just need to make some new samples > for it. BTW, is there a web site dedicated to sharing Hammerhead files or > samples? I'm looking for more drum+bass style loops. > > John > > > > > Leonardo Cavallo wrote: > > > > > > At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote: > > > >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's > > > >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming > > > >out anyway? > > > > > > > >C H R I S > > > > > > > >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders > > > >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list > > > >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to > > > recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do all the > > > breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good results. > > > I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick parts and > > > looping. > > > The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece of the > > > drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns) but using parts of > > > a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and then > > > reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method. > > > > > > I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's with me? > > > I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web page as a > > > really good example to listen if you like this kind of music. > > > > > > ciao > > > leo > > > > From ???@??? Sat May 16 01:25:58 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:44:21 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaTD7-0002rk-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:44:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:37:33 -0500 (CDT) From: John Roseborough X-Sender: jrose@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fruit Loops In-Reply-To: <199805152024.NAA05253@m4.sprynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"CHuLT.A.E-B.JPMX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5577 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:44:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 297c9c8f3ffd25b0f17518ed75a98b7b Sure thing. You can find Hammerhead, + lotsa software, gear reviews, and advice for budding electronic musicians, at http://www.dancetech.com/ The exact URL for Hammerhead is: http://www.dancetech.com/synth/HAMMERHEAD.cfm John PS: Found a new virtual analog synth with a stylin interface (Mac only) at http://www.koblo.com today.. this is nifty. Wish I had an Echoplex to feed some of these sounds into! On Fri, 15 May 1998, Bill Cummings wrote: > John, > > Can you tell me where you downloaded hammerhead from. I can't seem to find > it anywhere, and would like to try a copy myself. Thanks, > Bill Cummings > > ---------- > > From: John Roseborough > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Re: Fruit Loops > > Date: Friday, May 15, 1998 12:04 PM > > > > > > Can someone post a URL for the Fruit Loops software mentioned below? All > > I've found in my net searches are pages about cereal boxes... :P > > > > I downloaded Hammerhead last week, now that I've also got a PC setup for > > audio. I love it's interface... now I just need to make some new samples > > for it. BTW, is there a web site dedicated to sharing Hammerhead files or > > samples? I'm looking for more drum+bass style loops. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > Leonardo Cavallo wrote: > > > > > > > > At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote: > > > > >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit > Loops"? It's > > > > >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead > coming > > > > >out anyway? > > > > > > > > > >C H R I S > > > > > > > > > >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders > > > > >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list > > > > >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to > > > > recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do all > the > > > > breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good > results. > > > > I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick > parts and > > > > looping. > > > > The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece > of the > > > > drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns) but using > parts of > > > > a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and > then > > > > reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method. > > > > > > > > I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's > with me? > > > > I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web > page as a > > > > really good example to listen if you like this kind of music. > > > > > > > > ciao > > > > leo > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Sat May 16 01:26:08 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:08:39 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaWOr-0002X1-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 19:08:37 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:03:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: CMP CDs In-Reply-To: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD02CA155@migarexch01.maritz.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"di4zO.A.qFC.hQPX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5578 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:08:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 7d8ff8fe13fe20db188599a57e0d558f On Fri, 15 May 1998, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > I just got the new Wayside Music Mail Order Catalog. In it they have a > couple of Torn's CMP CDs as well as some by Trilok Gurtu (also Trey Gunn and > Torn with Bozzio/Karn). > > Pretty decent prices? > > Their website is > > http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/cuneiform.html > > They have a fax number (301* 589-1819), but no regular telephone number > listed. *Shameless plug alert* Wayside Music also distributes The Dark Aether Project CD at a very decent price. Just remember, bulk orders save on shipping costs! 8) -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Sat May 16 13:02:54 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 16 May 1998 02:55:27 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yadgb-0002Ml-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 02:55:25 -0700 Message-ID: <005901bd80b0$9a768560$a7f0ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: EDP Feedback pedals... Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 05:54:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"JXFaI.A._AC.nGWX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5580 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 02:55:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 169b662fd85a9ae522a2308387c7c27b I use MIDI to control the EDP's feedback level...a standard volume pedal is connected to the pedal input of a Ground Control, and the EDP is first in the MIDI chain to be controlled. Problem is, sometimes the feedback level is unpredictable, ie, it seems to not wait till the end of the loop to reduce in volume, and if I push the pedal up (off), the sound will stop, but sneak back in somewhere in the loop. Also, if I push the pedal off about halfway, and let the loop slowly die out, then push it foward, so it continues to repeat indefinately at this new, lower volume, the volume of the loop jumps erractically-it doesn't stay at a steady volume. Does this sound like a midi, pedal, or user problem? Will I have more predictable results using the Feedback jack on the back? Also, on an unrelated note, once the loop dies out, i assume its gone forever, no way to trigger it again at its original volume? I guess I can always copy the original loop into another loop slot.... Forgive me, my Plex is fairly new, Im still gettin used to it... Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 From ???@??? Sat May 16 13:02:57 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:37:28 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yakti-0004ww-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:37:26 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: My new songs online Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:33:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000401bd80f0$bea2f960$4f1c8ed1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"mRJ3vB.A.KZE.Y3cX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5581 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:37:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 0053d4522ebbf3b3da1d53ef9b08c578 Great job Sunao! I like the synths, the syncopation -- pretty cool. Thanks for the listen! Javier Berkeley, Calif. -----Original Message----- From: Sunao Inami [mailto:cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2040 1:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: My new songs online Hi loopers, I uploaded my new songs to my Real Audio server. Please visit and listen to: http://210.167.212.35/CAVE_RA1.html Regards Sunao Inami E-mail cave@osk.3web.ne.jp URL"cave home" http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/ tel&fax "CAVE Studio" +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan tel&fax "Private" +81 794 89 5015 Hyogo,Japan snail mail address 316 Ohshima Kuchiyokawa Miki City Hyogo Japan 6730755 From ???@??? Sat May 16 13:02:59 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:42:48 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yalux-0007ND-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:42:47 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 14:38:09 -0400 From: "Paul J. Dresher" Subject: EDP Feedback pedals... Sender: "Paul J. Dresher" To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199805161438_MC2-3D3A-5A69@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Z1y_k.A.0oG.G1dX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5582 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:42:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 262c9166dfa094decf467291a8ec4be3 Dave: I suspect that your question/problem with the EDP Feedback control is primarily about understanding what is happening when you are moving the pedal (I use pretty much the same set up but with the Digitech PMC-10 device for generating the MIDI continuous control for Feedback). When you move the pedal you are controlling the level of the looped material being returned to the to the EDP's memory, so you don't hear the change at that point, you hear the level drop when that point in the loop comes around again. Unless you move the pedal real slow, like a fader on a console, you are going to hear the adjustment as rather abrupt. While its a bit frustrating to not be able to hear the effect of your moves until somewhat later, with practice, its not hard to get the feel of what kind of fade is necessary in order to have a "fade out" at the rate you desire. One strategy I use on my PMC-10 ( I don't know if its possible on the Ground Control) is to have different pedal settings on the floor, i.e. one in which the full pedal movement sends MIDI CC values limited to a range of 110-127, which would generally be a slow fade (depending upon how long the loop is in time), another in which the CC values range from 0-127 (essentially an on-off switch) and others for whatever rate I need for a specific part of a piece. Of course you may have a faulty foot pedal but since I experienced the same question as you when first working with the unit, try the above. I think you are right about the loop being gone when it has fades away as a result of a feedback level not set to full/127. However another option would be to fade your loop out with MIDI Volume, i.e. simply control the output level of the whole unit. That way the loop would still be fully in memory. OF course, depending upon your particular needs, that may or may not be possible. And yes your other option could be to copy the loop (if you have enough memory). Paul Dresher From ???@??? Sat May 16 15:39:52 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:24:57 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yanVo-0003Qf-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 13:24:56 -0700 Message-ID: <355DE8B6.7EAF@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:27:50 -0700 From: Paul or Shelley Reply-To: spoticha@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Remove from list! Please References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YSNmgD.A.B_C.3UfX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5585 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:24:56 -0700 X-UIDL: c6f5b7fb4dbe55c0fa992593ebfac601 Kim: I am overwhelmed with forwarded e-mail - please remove me from the list serv Thanks: Paul From ???@??? Sat May 16 13:03:00 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:33:15 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yamhn-0001cD-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 12:33:15 -0700 Message-ID: <355DEB82.6B47@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:39:46 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... References: <199805161438_MC2-3D3A-5A69@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G_E5f.A.4TB.EleX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5584 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:33:15 -0700 X-UIDL: de1b1ca47b9f242d9e1b39f28f99c6fa Here's an alternative approach to using feedback (as well as building a loop in general) on an EDP: Once you hit "record," let it run for a second or two, then hit "insert" *without* hitting the record button again. (The insert mode should equal "insert.") This will start building up small individual cycles within the context of the overall master loop, and you'll see different cycles/multiples building on the display. Once you've got several cycles in your overall loop, hit "insert" again to finish recording the loop. (*Don't* end the recording with the "record" button, as this will cause all of the seperate cycles to be fused together, and the result will be just like building a loop without the "insert" function). Feedback is linked to cycles; i.e. if you have a 20-second loop which consists of one cycle, you won't hear feedback changes until that 20-second loop has come around to the start point again. However, if you have a 20-second loop built off of ten distinct 2-second loops, you'll hear an audible change in feedback every two seconds. Building loops this way is interesting; not only can you hear feedback results much more quickly, but you can also set up a hidden rhythmic foundation for a seemingly rubato loop. In other words, if you've got a loop that's built off of several different cycles from the start, then you can insert, multiply, and otherwise cut-and-paste the thing to produce highly rhythmically precise effects by working within the underlying seperate cycles. It's like painting over a brick wall, and then adding, subtracting, or re-arranging different bricks once the basic picture has already been laid down. Also remember that feedback is undo-able. You can fade out a loop and then bring it back with the "undo" feature, provided that there's sufficient memory. --Andre From ???@??? Sat May 16 15:39:55 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:47:38 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yanrl-0004Hw-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 13:47:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199805162043.QAA07099@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Jfk's "music" arrives online: scare your pets and children Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:41:50 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TYAIYB.A.10D.zqfX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5586 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:47:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 548d6abc3995344c0c299f1c3ea93bb8 hey all.. it seems to be "hear and tell" week... i'll join Earthlight and Sunao (whose new loops and compositions i both just enjoyed..!) with a submission of 4 chunks of the JFK's LSD UFO cassette.... finally we got some stuff uploaded!!! check it out, scare the cat and kids http://www.jswd.net/bob/andre.htm and info on our cassette is at my no frills site http://www.monmouth.com/~andre on the JFK's link. peace, andre' From ???@??? Sat May 16 18:22:05 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:44:39 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaph0-00002S-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 15:44:38 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:37:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: My new songs online Resent-Message-ID: <"N2_0H.A.bGH.mXhX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5587 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:44:38 -0700 X-UIDL: bab67ead9a26fc4c6e82885f98e64e00 At 6:28 AM +0900 2/6/40, Sunao Inami wrote: >Hi loopers, > >I uploaded my new songs to my Real Audio server. >Please visit and listen to: >http://210.167.212.35/CAVE_RA1.html > > Regards > > Sunao Inami very nice! I enjoyed them a lot. when can we hear more? The one with "Remix 16" in the title, is that using the akai Remix 16? Which parts were you using it for? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat May 16 19:32:03 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:26:35 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yasDh-0004vh-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:26:33 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005901bd80b0$9a768560$a7f0ffd0@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:14:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... Resent-Message-ID: <"b32JXC.A.MQE.nvjX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5588 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:26:33 -0700 X-UIDL: fbd116db49bddd5b00b685a90cd8b9fe At 5:54 AM -0400 5/16/98, future perfect wrote: > I use MIDI to control the EDP's feedback level...a standard volume pedal is >connected to the pedal input of a Ground Control, and the EDP is first in >the MIDI chain to be controlled. Problem is, sometimes the feedback level is >unpredictable, ie, it seems to not wait till the end of the loop to reduce >in volume, and if I push the pedal up (off), the sound will stop, but sneak >back in somewhere in the loop. Also, if I push the pedal off about halfway, >and let the loop slowly die out, then push it foward, so it continues to >repeat indefinately at this new, lower volume, the volume of the loop jumps >erractically-it doesn't stay at a steady volume. >Does this sound like a midi, pedal, or user problem? >Will I have more predictable results using the Feedback jack on the back? >Also, on an unrelated note, once the loop dies out, i assume its gone >forever, no way to trigger it again at its original volume? I guess I can >always copy the original loop into another loop slot.... >Forgive me, my Plex is fairly new, Im still gettin used to it... Dave- Part of your problem could be as Paul noted, just getting used to how feedback works. It's a bit different from just controlling volume level, and you might just need to practice it a bit to get the hang of it. It is a live, real-time control, and where you use it in the loop will make a difference. It's effect will be heard at the point in the loop where you are moving it. It also sounds to me as if there might be something more going on, and things are acting a little erratic. If you decide it's not a problem with your understanding of feedback, then my guess is that the midi controller data to the echoplex is jumping around and mis-behaving. One possible source of this could be a dirty pot in the pedal, causing the Ground Control to sometimes misread it's position and send the wrong data. Or it could be something funny with the Ground Control itself. (I don't know how well it's continuous control pedal inputs work, some pedals are notoriously bad and will tend to skip lots of values rather than send each number from 0-127.) Try using a different volume pedal (or cleaning it's pot), clean the jack on the Ground Control, or try connecting the pedal directly to the feedback pedal jack on the echoplex and see if that makes a difference. As Andre noted, feedback is undo-able. If you have enough memory available, you can use Undo to go backwards through the feedback reduction, which is a cool effect. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat May 16 19:32:03 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:26:42 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yasDo-0004wT-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:26:40 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yasDq-0006Rg-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:26:42 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yasDl-0004w7-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:26:37 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <355DEB82.6B47@earthlink.net> References: <199805161438_MC2-3D3A-5A69@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:19:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... Resent-Message-ID: <"4H6HjD.A.zQE.qvjX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5589 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:26:37 -0700 X-UIDL: fb0b84dc3071be2026edf89658299859 At 12:39 PM -0700 5/16/98, Andre LaFosse wrote: >Feedback is linked to cycles; i.e. if you have a 20-second loop which >consists of one cycle, you won't hear feedback changes until that >20-second loop has come around to the start point again. However, if >you have a 20-second loop built off of ten distinct 2-second loops, >you'll hear an audible change in feedback every two seconds. Actually, this isn't right. Feedback works over the whole loop, not the cycles. If you have a 20 second loop that consists of a single 20 second cycle, or a 20 second loop that consists of 10 2-second cycles, the effect of feedback is the same. It wouldn't really be feedback if it did otherwise. The feedback level is applied after the loop audio output, and before the loop audio is mixed back into delay line, so a given bit of audio still has to wait 20 seconds before it is heard again with the feedback setting applied. The feedback structure looks a little bit like this crude ascii drawing: _________ ______________|feedback |__________ | | level | | | |---------| | | | input => ------>(x)--->|=========================|------> output delay line the idea of cycles and loops (were a cycle is a subset of the loop) is another sort of abstraction, and I'm not even very sure how best to put it into the picture above. This is dumb, but maybe it works: Think of the path above as a train track that goes around in a circle. Your loop would then be the train following the track, with the front end of the train just reaching the back. Each cycle would be a car in the train. Doing a multiply or insert adds cars to the train and makes the track longer to let it fit. Now, if a given car (cycle) is at the feedback level station when you adjust the feedback, it still has to go all the way around the whole track to get to the output. >Building loops this way is interesting; not only can you hear feedback >results much more quickly, but you can also set up a hidden rhythmic >foundation for a seemingly rubato loop. In other words, if you've got a >loop that's built off of several different cycles from the start, then >you can insert, multiply, and otherwise cut-and-paste the thing to >produce highly rhythmically precise effects by working within the >underlying seperate cycles. It's like painting over a brick wall, and >then adding, subtracting, or re-arranging different bricks once the >basic picture has already been laid down. You're absolutely right about this part. Insert and multiply offer tons of interesting possibilities for composing loops on the fly. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat May 16 22:27:21 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:58:49 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yatey-0000Es-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:58:48 -0700 Message-ID: <19980517025351.18739.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:53:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"ebGCH.A.5.LGlX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5590 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:58:48 -0700 X-UIDL: e4233600881b5fdd89568b311047579c Hi All, Kim, I love this train metaphor. It made a lot of things clear for me. Could you put NEXT LOOP in this metaphor for me. Will anything else fit? thanks, Randy Jones ---Kim Flint wrote: > > At 12:39 PM -0700 5/16/98, Andre LaFosse wrote: > > >Feedback is linked to cycles; i.e. if you have a 20-second loop which > >consists of one cycle, you won't hear feedback changes until that > >20-second loop has come around to the start point again. However, if > >you have a 20-second loop built off of ten distinct 2-second loops, > >you'll hear an audible change in feedback every two seconds. > > Actually, this isn't right. Feedback works over the whole loop, not the > cycles. If you have a 20 second loop that consists of a single 20 second > cycle, or a 20 second loop that consists of 10 2-second cycles, the effect > of feedback is the same. It wouldn't really be feedback if it did > otherwise. The feedback level is applied after the loop audio output, and > before the loop audio is mixed back into delay line, so a given bit of > audio still has to wait 20 seconds before it is heard again with the > feedback setting applied. The feedback structure looks a little bit like > this crude ascii drawing: > > > _________ > ______________|feedback |__________ > | | level | | > | |---------| | > | | > input => ------>(x)--->|=========================|------> output > delay line > > > > the idea of cycles and loops (were a cycle is a subset of the loop) is > another sort of abstraction, and I'm not even very sure how best to put it > into the picture above. This is dumb, but maybe it works: > > Think of the path above as a train track that goes around in a circle. Your > loop would then be the train following the track, with the front end of the > train just reaching the back. Each cycle would be a car in the train. Doing > a multiply or insert adds cars to the train and makes the track longer to > let it fit. Now, if a given car (cycle) is at the feedback level station > when you adjust the feedback, it still has to go all the way around the > whole track to get to the output. > > > >Building loops this way is interesting; not only can you hear feedback > >results much more quickly, but you can also set up a hidden rhythmic > >foundation for a seemingly rubato loop. In other words, if you've got a > >loop that's built off of several different cycles from the start, then > >you can insert, multiply, and otherwise cut-and-paste the thing to > >produce highly rhythmically precise effects by working within the > >underlying seperate cycles. It's like painting over a brick wall, and > >then adding, subtracting, or re-arranging different bricks once the > >basic picture has already been laid down. > > You're absolutely right about this part. Insert and multiply offer tons of > interesting possibilities for composing loops on the fly. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sat May 16 22:27:25 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:00:47 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaucw-0002Lk-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:00:46 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:57:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805170357.WAA28741@mail3.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: fri gig at the Clipper Ship, San Antonio Resent-Message-ID: <"IftAyC.A.r2B.RAmX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5591 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:00:46 -0700 X-UIDL: d1052e163b07b4fc47086b8a0443a31b hi, Friday, May 22 The Clipper Ship will be featuring the music of Tiktok (Travis Hartnett) ( ive heard his CD, "Cracked Earth" and i think its great) and some of my music (james rhodes) a canvas of sound featuring the Chapman Stick(r) and keys. it starts at 7:00pm and is a free show. the Clipper Ship is at 722 Balcones Heights Rd (at Babcock) 210-734-5409 . yes two loopers delight list members sharing a billing under one roof...the texas loopfest please come out if ya can... thanks for readin, james From ???@??? Sat May 16 22:27:25 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:00:52 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yaucz-0002MH-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:00:49 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaucy-0000MT-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:00:48 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaucw-0002Lj-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:00:46 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:57:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805170357.WAA28745@mail3.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Controlled Chaos at the Clipper Ship, San Antonio Resent-Message-ID: <"eOPR5.A.d3B.WAmX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5592 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:00:46 -0700 X-UIDL: c2e329c0a91c37e94edf54ebbef06e47 hi, Friday, May 22 The Clipper Ship will be featuring the music of Tiktok (Travis Hartnett) ( ive heard his CD, "Cracked Earth" and i think its great) and some of my music (james rhodes) a canvas of sound featuring the Chapman Stick(r) and keys( an exercise in controlled chaos).. it starts at 7:00pm and is a free show. the Clipper Ship is at 722 Balcones Heights Rd (at Babcock) 210-734-5409 . yes two loopers delight list members sharing a billing under one roof...the texas loopfest please come out if ya can... thanks for readin, and supporting independant music james From ???@??? Sat May 16 22:27:26 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:11:23 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaunC-00031L-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:11:22 -0700 Message-ID: <19980517035816.7870.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 20:58:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Portland, OR. show, 5/15 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"7VNi1.A.inC.kKmX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5593 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:11:22 -0700 X-UIDL: f7d63d7901c05363c8a7451c072ac09d 93 ---Dave Trenkel wrote: This is our > first PDX gig in a few years, with our new horn section and compositions. > Any Portland loopers who make it to the show, please say hi! Damn! As you might notice from the date of this missive, I missed the show. How was? 93 Rev. DOubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Babel http://www.spiritone.com/~skhtmt/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sat May 16 22:27:28 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:48:32 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yavN9-0004HA-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:48:31 -0700 Message-ID: <355E6DB0.7AB4@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:55:12 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... References: <199805161438_MC2-3D3A-5A69@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8PseXC.A.-yD.xtmX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5594 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:48:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 0182c0907fb485bc761f90dca77452e4 Kim Flint wrote: > > At 12:39 PM -0700 5/16/98, Andre LaFosse wrote: > > >Feedback is linked to cycles; > Actually, this isn't right. Feedback works over the whole loop, not the > cycles. Jesus...! Tell you what, Kim, why doesn't Oberheim pay me to *not* make posts about the Echoplex. I'd probably spare you a lot more damage control that way! (And knowing my propensity for confusing black with white, I'd probably make about as much as I am right now at my minimum-wage retail position, to boot...) Anyway, sorry for the misinformation... -A From ???@??? Sun May 17 00:49:57 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:20:38 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yawoH-0006br-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:20:37 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <355E6DB0.7AB4@earthlink.net> References: <199805161438_MC2-3D3A-5A69@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:16:13 -0700 To: altruist@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... Resent-Message-ID: <"E8PmJC.A.2AG.mDoX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5595 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:20:37 -0700 X-UIDL: dee2170e448079025bdbd686ca228b7c At 9:55 PM -0700 5/16/98, Andre LaFosse wrote: >Kim Flint wrote: >> >> At 12:39 PM -0700 5/16/98, Andre LaFosse wrote: >> >> >Feedback is linked to cycles; > >> Actually, this isn't right. Feedback works over the whole loop, not the >> cycles. > >Jesus...! > >Tell you what, Kim, why doesn't Oberheim pay me to *not* make posts >about the Echoplex. I'd probably spare you a lot more damage control >that way! (And knowing my propensity for confusing black with white, >I'd probably make about as much as I am right now at my minimum-wage >retail position, to boot...) > >Anyway, sorry for the misinformation... ha!... no worries. You had part of it right, and the wrong part just inspired me to think up the soon-to-be-infamous and probably regretted Train Looping Metaphor. keep the day job....beleive me, it's a more reliable source of income.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun May 17 00:49:58 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:57:09 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaxNc-0007cE-00; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:57:08 -0700 Message-ID: <043c01bd8160$f1bed1a0$a7f0ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 02:56:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"hhlwcC.A.18G.8loX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5596 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:57:08 -0700 X-UIDL: f21c90d1818db934aa908a6297ea1be5 OH!!! I was under the impression that feedback will start working only and always at the beginning of the loop, not somewhere in the middle- this explains a lot of things. The Ground Control has a 'pedal test' mode to see the values being transmitted from the pedal, so I will make sure they are right. Also, I want to try the feedback jack on the back of the Plex..Is the feedback jack in 128 increments, or 256, or what? Thanks again, Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 "Truth is just an excuse for lack of imagination" - Garak >Dave- > >Part of your problem could be as Paul noted, just getting used to how >feedback works. It's a bit different from just controlling volume level, >and you might just need to practice it a bit to get the hang of it. It is a >live, real-time control, and where you use it in the loop will make a >difference. It's effect will be heard at the point in the loop where you >are moving it. > From ???@??? Sun May 17 01:07:23 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:53:38 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yayGH-00019L-00; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:53:37 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980517025351.18739.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:48:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplexes and Choo-Choo Trains Resent-Message-ID: <"4vzG2.A.J6.RbpX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5597 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:53:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 2acd8faf4b56483f70028191abdce3d6 At 7:53 PM -0700 5/16/98, Randy Jones wrote: >Hi All, > >Kim, I love this train metaphor. It made a lot of things clear for me. >Could you put NEXT LOOP in this metaphor for me. Will anything else fit? > >thanks, > >Randy Jones hmmm, not the sort of Engineering I set out to do...... All Aboard! (sorry....) If you missed this bit before, here's the train saga so far: >> The feedback level is applied after the loop audio output, and >> before the loop audio is mixed back into delay line, so a given bit of >> audio still has to wait 20 seconds before it is heard again with the >> feedback setting applied. The feedback structure looks a little bit >> like this crude ascii drawing: >> >> >> _________ >> ______________|feedback |__________ >> | | level | | >> | |---------| | >> | | >> input => ------>(x)--->|=========================|------> output >> delay line >> >> >> >> the idea of cycles and loops (were a cycle is a subset of the loop) is >> another sort of abstraction, and I'm not even very sure how best to >> put it into the picture above. This is dumb, but maybe it works: >> >> Think of the path above as a train track that goes around in a circle. Your >> loop would then be the train following the track, with the front end of the >> train just reaching the back. Each cycle would be a car in the train. Doing >> a multiply or insert adds cars to the train and makes the track longer to >> let it fit. Now, if a given car (cycle) is at the feedback level station >> when you adjust the feedback, it still has to go all the way around the >> whole track to get to the output. ok, NextLoop rides the rails: If a single loop is like a circular train track, then multiple loops are like several circular train tracks lying next to each other. Each can have a train on it, but only one of the trains gets to go at a time. Only that one has the input and output tracks connected to it. The audio riding on the train gets on and off there. When you press NextLoop, the train we are on stops and just sits there, and a the train on one of the other tracks starts up. The tracks to the input and output loading docks get connected to the new track. If there is no train on the next track yet, you press Record to build a new track and put a train on it. This train starts off with one car (a flexible one, I guess). Using multiply and Insert adds new cars, as previously noted. If you have Switch Quantize on and you press NextLoop, the guy who controls the track switching waits until the car currently at the output dock gets completely past it before throwing the switch. If you do a loop copy, the audio on the current train gets a transfer to go to the new train. It gets off the first train in orderly fashion and gets onto the new train, along with any new audio passengers. Actually, it doesn't get off the first train. A mad scientist has a lab under the transfer station where he runs a secret cloning operation, so it's an identical copy bording the new train and the original has to stay on the old train. If you do a time copy, the audio doesn't get to transfer, but the guys who build the new train and track make sure to use cars that are the same size as the previous train. If this helped you, well, at least something is....:-) Somebody else can figure out where midi clock fits into all this. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun May 17 01:07:25 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:57:03 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yayJZ-0001RH-00; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:57:01 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <043c01bd8160$f1bed1a0$a7f0ffd0@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:52:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... Resent-Message-ID: <"d-KAaC.A.QGB.ZepX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5598 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:57:01 -0700 X-UIDL: 393558b45083d37503514bcc93e18362 >OH!!! I was under the impression that feedback will start working only and >always at the beginning of the loop, not somewhere in the middle- this >explains a lot of things. The Ground Control has a 'pedal test' mode to see >the values being transmitted from the pedal, so I will make sure they are >right. Also, I want to try the feedback jack on the back of the Plex..Is the >feedback jack in 128 increments, or 256, or what? The jack is actually 256 increments, although you probably won't note much difference between one and the other. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun May 17 01:36:36 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 17 May 1998 01:27:47 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaynK-0002B9-00; Sun, 17 May 1998 01:27:46 -0700 Message-ID: <04f801bd816d$9ef1b160$a7f0ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 04:27:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"CAa_rB.A.D3B.U7pX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5599 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 01:27:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 9f1359f7079b86e9e28daedb82cedf13 I guess I was confused by the second paragraph on the 'Feedback Knob' page of the manual-one more clarification...if you set the feedback to 0 in the middle of the loop, it will wait till that same point in the loop the next time around to go to 0, instead of going to 0 at the end of the loop the next time around, right? Yeah, the manual gets a bit confusing here, it says that it will wait till the end of the loop, or am I misunderstanding? Dave Eichenberger >>OH!!! I was under the impression that feedback will start working only and >>always at the beginning of the loop, not somewhere in the middle- this >>explains a lot of things. From ???@??? Sun May 17 02:14:22 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 17 May 1998 01:50:39 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaz9S-0002mZ-00; Sun, 17 May 1998 01:50:38 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <04f801bd816d$9ef1b160$a7f0ffd0@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 01:46:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... Resent-Message-ID: <"tr6-qB.A.5bC.lQqX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5600 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 01:50:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 429fbaf631892dfd525aa14e93b34f00 At 4:27 AM -0400 5/17/98, future perfect wrote: >I guess I was confused by the second paragraph on the 'Feedback Knob' page >of the manual-one more clarification...if you set the feedback to 0 in the >middle of the loop, it will wait till that same point in the loop the next >time around to go to 0, instead of going to 0 at the end of the loop the >next time around, right? yes, that's right. >Yeah, the manual gets a bit confusing here, it says >that it will wait till the end of the loop, or am I misunderstanding? >Dave Eichenberger I think warren meant you wait for an entire loop length before the feedback effect is heard. I guess an assumption was made that the reader would have a real-time, delay-centric view of things, as opposed to a start-point/stop-point, sampler-like viewpoint. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun May 17 04:19:04 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 17 May 1998 02:18:08 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yaza2-0003gr-00; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:18:06 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 02:14:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: A mailing list archive, or: a really geeky project Resent-Message-ID: <"1szCm.A.4SD.VqqX1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5601 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 02:18:06 -0700 X-UIDL: f6eac150c0c2cb1a6348be004ba02de1 Hey folks, In cruising around the web I've lately noticed a number of other mailing lists with way-cool web based archiving. Posts to the list get automatically converted to html, stored in the archive, and sorted with cool thread indexing. There's nifty search features, forward/back links, the whole bit. I want one for Looper's Delight too! What we have now is manually generated by me, which means it never gets updated, and you don't get any of those other cool navigation features. As I understand, these archives are being done with a freeware Perl program called mhonarc, in combination with another program called glimpse for searching. So, any of you Unix and Perl experts want to take a crack at this? Seems to me you might need to know a reasonable amount about how mail servers work too. I briefly looked at the web pages though, and there seems to be plenty of documentation and examples so I don't imagine it would be that difficult. Here's the pages: http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html http://donkey.CS.Arizona.EDU/webglimpse/ any volunteers? pretty-please? remember: if it weren't for people pitching in to help out around here, Looper's Delight would really suck. we need you! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon May 18 00:19:23 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:45:29 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybEzX-0005XW-00; Sun, 17 May 1998 18:45:27 -0700 Message-ID: <19980518014041.4677.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.21.131] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: friday gig at the knitting factory, nyc Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:40:41 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"VsZquD.A.g7E.6G5X1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5603 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:45:27 -0700 X-UIDL: de819c8a2d29d5dbccc5c2b69d02c561 DT- Tried to check out the knitfact show but nothing would show up on realaudio... this stuff is gonna be released tho yeah? selam, buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon May 18 09:47:15 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 05:37:11 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybPAE-00025o-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 05:37:10 -0700 From: Texture444 Message-ID: <13c36787.356029e3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:30:24 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: friday gig at the knitting factory, nyc Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"XqJdZ.A.AsB.coCY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5606 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 05:37:10 -0700 X-UIDL: eb08252c91db04ac86f4455371a95b1b jb, >this stuff is gonna be released tho yeah? s'posed ta be! best, dt From ???@??? Mon May 18 09:47:17 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 05:46:36 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybPJM-0002fN-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 05:46:36 -0700 Message-ID: <19980518123908.28904.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.94.66.242] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 05:39:08 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"ApaFmC.A.5HC.NwCY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5607 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 05:46:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 5e726e7032e09bdeea28b17816e09edb hi all, i'm glad someone else brought up a question on the edp's feedback control. i'm controlling mine with an ernie ball volume pedal plugged directly into the feedback jack on the back. the problem i'm having is this: there isn't much of a variation in the feedback level until i get to the last 10% or so of the pedal's range. this makes it very hard for my extra-clumsy feet to control. often, i'll accidentally bring the feedback level all the way down for an instant which will completely cut out a section of audio. annoying. btw, i've tried several pedals with the same results. so, is there a way to set the range of the feedback control on the edp? or can i switch pots on the volume pedal? tia, matt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon May 18 09:47:18 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 06:27:45 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybPx9-0004Ov-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 06:27:43 -0700 Message-ID: <35603596.E3EBB15@Pirnie.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:20:22 -0400 From: "Lee Wordsman" Reply-To: Lwordsman@Pirnie.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplexes and Choo-Choo Trains References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7VI_uB.A.ytD.mVDY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5608 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 06:27:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 91990983171d7c47e210677f11c9ea8a Kim, Do you know how *&%$%$#@ brilliant you are. That NextLoop metaphor was extremely useful in helping me (a non-EDP user) understand some of the things you EDP people discuss. It is no small talent to be able to describe such events in layman's terms. Kim Flint wrote: > At 7:53 PM -0700 5/16/98, Randy Jones wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >Kim, I love this train metaphor. It made a lot of things clear for me. > >Could you put NEXT LOOP in this metaphor for me. Will anything else fit? > > > >thanks, > > > >Randy Jones > > hmmm, not the sort of Engineering I set out to do...... > > All Aboard! > > (sorry....) > > If you missed this bit before, here's the train saga so far: > > >> The feedback level is applied after the loop audio output, and > >> before the loop audio is mixed back into delay line, so a given bit of > >> audio still has to wait 20 seconds before it is heard again with the > >> feedback setting applied. The feedback structure looks a little bit > >> like this crude ascii drawing: > >> > >> > >> _________ > >> ______________|feedback |__________ > >> | | level | | > >> | |---------| | > >> | | > >> input => ------>(x)--->|=========================|------> output > >> delay line > >> > >> > >> > >> the idea of cycles and loops (were a cycle is a subset of the loop) is > >> another sort of abstraction, and I'm not even very sure how best to > >> put it into the picture above. This is dumb, but maybe it works: > >> > >> Think of the path above as a train track that goes around in a circle. Your > >> loop would then be the train following the track, with the front end of the > >> train just reaching the back. Each cycle would be a car in the train. Doing > >> a multiply or insert adds cars to the train and makes the track longer to > >> let it fit. Now, if a given car (cycle) is at the feedback level station > >> when you adjust the feedback, it still has to go all the way around the > >> whole track to get to the output. > > ok, NextLoop rides the rails: > > If a single loop is like a circular train track, then multiple loops are > like several circular train tracks lying next to each other. Each can have > a train on it, but only one of the trains gets to go at a time. Only that > one has the input and output tracks connected to it. The audio riding on > the train gets on and off there. > > When you press NextLoop, the train we are on stops and just sits there, and > a the train on one of the other tracks starts up. The tracks to the input > and output loading docks get connected to the new track. > > If there is no train on the next track yet, you press Record to build a new > track and put a train on it. This train starts off with one car (a flexible > one, I guess). Using multiply and Insert adds new cars, as previously noted. > > If you have Switch Quantize on and you press NextLoop, the guy who controls > the track switching waits until the car currently at the output dock gets > completely past it before throwing the switch. > > If you do a loop copy, the audio on the current train gets a transfer to go > to the new train. It gets off the first train in orderly fashion and gets > onto the new train, along with any new audio passengers. Actually, it > doesn't get off the first train. A mad scientist has a lab under the > transfer station where he runs a secret cloning operation, so it's an > identical copy bording the new train and the original has to stay on the > old train. > > If you do a time copy, the audio doesn't get to transfer, but the guys who > build the new train and track make sure to use cars that are the same size > as the previous train. > > If this helped you, well, at least something is....:-) > > Somebody else can figure out where midi clock fits into all this. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon May 18 09:47:25 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:12:01 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybQe1-0006Sh-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 07:12:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:05:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Pete Koniuto To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: pat murphy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RdLh_C.A.arF.CBEY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5609 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:12:01 -0700 X-UIDL: 05d244d5f57ca301c56abf32df7eda74 Anyone got Pat Murphy's e-mail address? He is the Obie-guy, right? Thanks, Pete From ???@??? Mon May 18 09:47:28 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:51:14 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybRFv-0000wh-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 07:51:11 -0700 X-Sender: pmurphy@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:41:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Pat Murphy Subject: Re: pat murphy In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <98May18.093928cdt.26888@gateway.gibson.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"_yH2X.A.nP.xjEY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5610 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:51:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 88af386b03fdada6a519c3a1013b2418 Pete You can contact me at or Michael Ayers at . Michael is the customer service rep and I am a combination "product specialist/sales guy". We are here if you need us. thanks Pat > >Anyone got Pat Murphy's e-mail address? > >He is the Obie-guy, right? > >Thanks, > >Pete > From ???@??? Mon May 18 09:47:29 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:51:54 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybRGc-00010t-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 07:51:54 -0700 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: <832a6271.3560497c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:45:15 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: loopie pittsburgh Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 81 Resent-Message-ID: <"b-bd5C.A.vb.xmEY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5611 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:51:54 -0700 X-UIDL: b7b7dfb938b12cf387fb0d3e60a2c442 a few reviews of nemoguits sunday nite bedroom concert: ".......he made us laugh, he made us cry............" "..........klobuchar should not be allowed to have more children......." "........i loved all the little blinking red lights......" "......a perfect evening except for the un-made bed.........." ".......guitars shouldn't sound like that......." "........give him a one-way ticket anywhere........" "......who were all the smiling people in the funny hats?........." oh well, no-one said it would be pretty. Kim, thanks also from this non-plexi guy for the great train insites. if only am-trac were so clear..............michael From ???@??? Mon May 18 09:47:32 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:37:19 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0ybRyY-0003tP-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 08:37:18 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybRyX-0002FL-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 08:37:17 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybRyT-0003sg-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 08:37:13 -0700 From: Crossedout Message-ID: <7d0d3f32.356053b6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:28:53 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: loopie pittsburgh Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"uFipOB.A.rED.oPFY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5612 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:37:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 13a86f58f6fb245186c87838c32ab61a In a message dated 98-05-18 10:50:18 EDT, you write: << a few reviews of nemoguits sunday nite bedroom concert: >> funny... I tried scalping tickets to the bedroom concert, but everybody I approached said "his bedroom? NOTHING interesting happens in there!" - Bill *I had to go there... I HAD to....* Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Mon May 18 09:47:32 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:56:49 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybSHO-0005Jx-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 08:56:46 -0700 X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:50:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: looping performance, central NY Resent-Message-ID: <"0bMrFD.A.UaE.7hFY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5613 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:56:46 -0700 X-UIDL: c0d095b074477af22932f80c1cdbe647 Greetings, fellow loopers. Someone recently remarked on the concentration of loopers around Ithaca, NY ... thought I'd let you all know about an upcoming performance: Friday, May 22, 9:30 pm Peter Chwazik - bass, loops Robby Aceto (fellow list member) - guitar, even more loops Bill King - drums & sampled percussion me - keyboards, loops performing music from my new "Accidental Beauties" CD and improvising ABC Cafe, 308 Stewart Ave., Ithaca, NY (607) 277-4770 a pleasant, small venue $4 cover So as not to consume list bandwidth later, I'll announce these too: Friday, June 5, 12-1 pm Deane Delli-Bovi, keyboards (his music is a more contemporary instrumental/new age/fusion vibe) me - keyboards, loops (I will do my space thing too) Aurora St. pavilion, Ithaca Commons, Ithaca, NY (Ithaca Festival) Sunday, June 7, 2-3 pm Outspeak: Peter Chwazik - bass, loops Bill King - drums me - keyboards, no looping on this one I think (an abstract, highly improvised accompaniment to a dance performance) Stewart Park, Ithaca, NY (Ithaca Festival) Feel free to email me for directions, and please say hi if you attend. Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com Sonosphere (electric/improv music) http://www.sonosphere.com/ "Accidental Beauties" CD release: http://www.sonosphere.com/wyatt/ From ???@??? Mon May 18 09:47:35 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:13:59 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybSY1-0006l8-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 09:13:57 -0700 From: ANET Message-ID: <450bd7cf.35605c76@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:06:13 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: looping performance, central NY Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"s1ykTC.A.uuF.fyFY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5614 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:13:57 -0700 X-UIDL: bca9f073610f963e7bb0f16c9094f013 Ahh! good ole ITHACA, NY - birthplace of good loopers. Regards; jp From ???@??? Mon May 18 09:47:36 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:32:23 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybSpq-0000SZ-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 09:32:22 -0700 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0393CA5@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: fine musical experience Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:25:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"PjvU_C.A.kOH.vEGY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5615 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:32:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 4454f91f6639c880a0d7905f9e76c4ee Hey y'all, Sorry, no looping content, just great music. I just saw a band last night, that if you're one of these towns, could treat you to a fine musical experience: The Clusone Trio: Michael Moore, alto saxophone and clarinet; the legendary Han Bennink, drum set (and theatricality); Ernst Reisjeiger, cello. They're all great players and make for a wonderful and semi-dadaistic concert experience. (They're based in Amsterdam, so stateside folk, this is your big chance.) 18 May: Santa Cruz (Kuumbwa) 19 May: Berkeley (Beanbenders) 20 May: Arcadia (unknown venue) 21 May Seattle (unknown venue) 22 May Vancouver (unknown venue) 24 May (?): Bath England Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled programming . . . From ???@??? Mon May 18 10:31:25 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:22:31 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybTcL-0004zA-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:22:29 -0700 Sender: randy@cdac.com Message-ID: <356061CD.B825BEE7@cdac.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:29:01 -0700 From: Randy Reichenbach Organization: Cascade Design Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: [Fwd: Rang Sample Rate] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"c5PeAD.A.5DE.HzGY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5617 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:22:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 0fdfa7510556353ca9ffa35d87919aa1 Some Boomerang specs 4U: Mikell D. Nelson wrote: > > Hi Randy, > Here's the schtick. Sampling specs: 16 bit samples, linear PCM, no > compression, 16K and > 8K sampling rates. > As always, let your ears be the final judge not the specs. > > Mike Nelson, co-owner > > Boomerang Musical Products > PO Box 541595 > Dallas, TX 75354-1595 > > Tel 800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913) > Fax 214-343-1038 > email mnelson@dmans.com > web page http://www.boomerangmusic.com -- Peace ... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ====== = Randy Reichenbach randy@cdac.com = // || \\ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= || || || = Physical Design Engineer (VLSI-CAD) = || //\\ || = Cascade Design Automation = \\//__\\// = 3650 131st Ave SE, Suite 650 = `------' = Bellevue, Washington 98006 = = Tel: 425.643.0200 Fax: 425.649.7600 = ... Get some! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From ???@??? Mon May 18 10:31:25 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:05:11 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybTLZ-0003Tr-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:05:09 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980518123908.28904.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:55:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... Resent-Message-ID: <"255o9C.A.YaC.-gGY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5616 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:05:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 3612dc399867e08347ced8e0c1797f57 use a pedal with a linear taper pot instead of an audio taper pot. Or change the pot in the volume pedal you are using to linear, 20k. there's no way to set the range in the echoplex, but its a simple thing to do by using different types of potentiometers or putting resistors in series with the potentiometer. If you use midi, most controller devices let you set the range of a continuous controller, which is another option. kim >hi all, > >i'm glad someone else brought up a question on the edp's feedback >control. i'm controlling mine with an ernie ball volume pedal plugged >directly into the feedback jack on the back. > >the problem i'm having is this: there isn't much of a variation in the >feedback level until i get to the last 10% or so of the pedal's range. >this makes it very hard for my extra-clumsy feet to control. often, >i'll accidentally bring the feedback level all the way down for an >instant which will completely cut out a section of audio. annoying. >btw, i've tried several pedals with the same results. > >so, is there a way to set the range of the feedback control on the edp? >or can i switch pots on the volume pedal? > >tia, >matt > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon May 18 14:12:27 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:48:14 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0ybU19-0007Hn-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:48:07 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybU16-0005Yc-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:48:04 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybU12-0007H3-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:48:00 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: [Fwd: Rang Sample Rate] Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:36:34 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd8283$8083f460$LocalHost@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"IY9uH.A.qKG.DLHY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5618 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:48:00 -0700 X-UIDL: ca006fcbd75ef6e31ac5a2c3b5c1fdf0 Is there any way to get the sampling rate up to 18 or 20 bit? Jeff Collins collinsclan@sprintmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Randy Reichenbach To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 1:20 PM Subject: [Fwd: Rang Sample Rate] >Some Boomerang specs 4U: > >Mikell D. Nelson wrote: >> >> Hi Randy, >> Here's the schtick. Sampling specs: 16 bit samples, linear PCM, no >> compression, 16K and >> 8K sampling rates. >> As always, let your ears be the final judge not the specs. >> >> Mike Nelson, co-owner >> >> Boomerang Musical Products >> PO Box 541595 >> Dallas, TX 75354-1595 >> >> Tel 800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913) >> Fax 214-343-1038 >> email mnelson@dmans.com >> web page http://www.boomerangmusic.com > >-- > >Peace ... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > ====== = Randy Reichenbach randy@cdac.com = > // || \\ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > || || || = Physical Design Engineer (VLSI-CAD) = > || //\\ || = Cascade Design Automation = > \\//__\\// = 3650 131st Ave SE, Suite 650 = > `------' = Bellevue, Washington 98006 = > = Tel: 425.643.0200 Fax: 425.649.7600 = >... Get some! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > From ???@??? Mon May 18 14:12:28 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:55:38 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybU8K-0000N7-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:55:32 -0700 From: Dpcoffin Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:46:35 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"pVJ8iB.A.nwG.xQHY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5619 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:55:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 4ab4814b20018ce067e705e7520c8c50 <> Anybody know where to get these...especially in stereo? dpc From ???@??? Mon May 18 14:12:29 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:58:03 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0ybUAd-0000dP-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:57:55 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybUAb-0005oj-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:57:53 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybUAS-0000bk-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:57:44 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybUAP-0005oU-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:57:41 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybUAN-0000b3-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:57:39 -0700 Sender: randy@cdac.com Message-ID: <356074C0.F4A4530A@cdac.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:49:52 -0700 From: Randy Reichenbach Organization: Cascade Design Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: COLLINSCLAN , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Rang Sample Rate] References: <01bd8283$8083f460$LocalHost@0QHC6SIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IeKKRB.A.XBH.HTHY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5620 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:57:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 0ca4832d8bacecefab74921142259ce8 I'm fairly certain the word size is fixed. But I'm waiting to hear back from Mikell on "at what point is the 16k rate reduced to 8k?". I'll let you know. -Randy COLLINSCLAN wrote: > > Is there any way to get the sampling rate up to 18 or 20 bit? > Jeff Collins > collinsclan@sprintmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Reichenbach > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 1:20 PM > Subject: [Fwd: Rang Sample Rate] > > >Some Boomerang specs 4U: > > > >Mikell D. Nelson wrote: > >> > >> Hi Randy, > >> Here's the schtick. Sampling specs: 16 bit samples, linear PCM, no > >> compression, 16K and > >> 8K sampling rates. > >> As always, let your ears be the final judge not the specs. > >> > >> Mike Nelson, co-owner > >> > >> Boomerang Musical Products > >> PO Box 541595 > >> Dallas, TX 75354-1595 > >> > >> Tel 800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913) > >> Fax 214-343-1038 > >> email mnelson@dmans.com > >> web page http://www.boomerangmusic.com > > > >-- > > > >Peace ... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > ====== = Randy Reichenbach randy@cdac.com = > > // || \\ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > || || || = Physical Design Engineer (VLSI-CAD) = > > || //\\ || = Cascade Design Automation = > > \\//__\\// = 3650 131st Ave SE, Suite 650 = > > `------' = Bellevue, Washington 98006 = > > = Tel: 425.643.0200 Fax: 425.649.7600 = > >... Get some! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > -- Peace ... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ====== = Randy Reichenbach randy@cdac.com = // || \\ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= || || || = Physical Design Engineer (VLSI-CAD) = || //\\ || = Cascade Design Automation = \\//__\\// = 3650 131st Ave SE, Suite 650 = `------' = Bellevue, Washington 98006 = = Tel: 425.643.0200 Fax: 425.649.7600 = ... Get some! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From ???@??? Mon May 18 14:12:30 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:07:37 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybUK0-0001iz-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 11:07:36 -0700 Sender: randy@cdac.com Message-ID: <3560768F.D5CDC9DD@cdac.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:57:35 -0700 From: Randy Reichenbach Organization: Cascade Design Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1jaxtC.A.yl.gaHY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5621 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:07:36 -0700 X-UIDL: e2a6c8b796d6bf477e28ab8e586203d4 Mouser Electronics (www.mouser.com) has 25k linears for $1.25 (US) 10k, 50k dual-ganged (stereo) for $2.35 (US) Digi-Key and PAIA also have at least the single pots. Dpcoffin wrote: > > <> > Anybody know where to get these...especially in stereo? > dpc -- Peace ... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ====== = Randy Reichenbach randy@cdac.com = // || \\ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= || || || = Physical Design Engineer (VLSI-CAD) = || //\\ || = Cascade Design Automation = \\//__\\// = 3650 131st Ave SE, Suite 650 = `------' = Bellevue, Washington 98006 = = Tel: 425.643.0200 Fax: 425.649.7600 = ... Get some! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From ???@??? Mon May 18 14:12:32 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:24:50 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybUaf-0003BP-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 11:24:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199805181805.LAA13736@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Rang Sample Rate] Date: Mon, 18 May 98 13:06:50 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"nmWqxC.A.VSC.QrHY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5622 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:24:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 870a0fa0db952756e86f18d6df9397fe >I'm fairly certain the word size is fixed. But I'm waiting >to hear back from Mikell on "at what point is the 16k rate >reduced to 8k?". I'll let you know. I believe it's when you use the longest available recording time. The Boomerang has the ability to double the max loop time available by sampling at half the rate. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon May 18 14:12:32 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:39:19 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybUof-0004Up-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 11:39:17 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980518182651.006a1714@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:26:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... Resent-Message-ID: <"_FlclD.A.JiD.p5HY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5623 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:39:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 9dfec3f721d62c03dd59468175dbae39 don't use the 10k...25k or 50k would be fine. (thanks, Randy) kim At 10:57 AM 5/18/98 -0700, Randy Reichenbach wrote: >Mouser Electronics (www.mouser.com) has > 25k linears for $1.25 (US) > 10k, 50k dual-ganged (stereo) for $2.35 (US) > >Digi-Key and PAIA also have at least the single pots. > >Dpcoffin wrote: >> >> <> >> Anybody know where to get these...especially in stereo? >> dpc From ???@??? Mon May 18 14:12:33 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:12:07 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybVKQ-00073s-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 12:12:06 -0700 From: Vgetzinger Message-ID: <4908f2ba.35608637@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:04:22 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: loopie pittsburgh Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"zVf8xB.A.HEG.yZIY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5624 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:12:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 8730fc433fe4888f745734308aa16508 that was pretty damn funny if i must say so vedo From ???@??? Mon May 18 14:12:34 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:38:40 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybVk6-0001OJ-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 12:38:38 -0700 From: Crossedout Message-ID: <341e6ee1.35608ca7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:31:50 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"VicC5D.A.Pv.VzIY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5625 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:38:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 445f494106b22c4858cd74084198e6b5 In a message dated 98-05-18 13:52:58 EDT, you write: << <> Anybody know where to get these...especially in stereo? dpc >> I'd imagine Radio Shack would carry them - if not, buzz me and let me know - I went to a Ham Radio festival and came back with about 500 pots, and I probably have one among them. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Mon May 18 09:47:14 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 05:12:30 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybOmL-00014Z-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 05:12:29 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980518134954.1aa74884@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:49:54 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... In-Reply-To: References: <355DEB82.6B47@earthlink.net> <199805161438_MC2-3D3A-5A69@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"u3HHPC.A.uk.qQCY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5604 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 05:12:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 8a2fe11c95c3c70b8f6da2ada28ff6f7 Kim: >Actually, this isn't right. Feedback works over the whole loop, not the >cycles. If you have a 20 second loop that consists of a single 20 second >cycle, or a 20 second loop that consists of 10 2-second cycles, the effect >of feedback is the same. It wouldn't really be feedback if it did >otherwise. The feedback level is applied after the loop audio output, and >before the loop audio is mixed back into delay line, so a given bit of >audio still has to wait 20 seconds before it is heard again with the >feedback setting applied. The feedback structure looks a little bit like >this crude ascii drawing: > > > _________ > ______________|feedback |__________ > | | level | | > | |---------| | > | | > input => ------>(x)--->|=========================|------> output > delay line > Has anyone tried setting a JamMan delay to single repeat (ie FB=1), taken one of the outputs and fed it back through a volume pedal and mixer into the input? It would be one way of getting control over feedback, with the only problem being the difficulty in matching the i/p and o/p to make sure the loop doesn't either get louder or quieter ehen the pedal's on bypass. If that were to work it would allow fading and replacing; added to the delay-based looping advantages previously discussed, it would give more functionality than regular JM looping, except for the use of multiple loops. Michael Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- "..man, the road must eventually lead to the whole world. Ain't nowhere else it can go - right?" - Jack Kerouac, "On The Road" --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Mon May 18 09:47:15 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 18 May 1998 05:12:45 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybOma-00015W-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 05:12:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980518135141.1b1f5d38@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:51:41 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: CMP CDs In-Reply-To: References: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD02CA155@migarexch01.maritz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"CpsL0D.A.pm.DRCY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5605 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 05:12:44 -0700 X-UIDL: ae90ea49f5df2385f044266c68a9f1c1 Our stick-playing mr. Levin plugged: >Wayside Music also distributes The Dark Aether Project CD at a very decent >price. Just remember, bulk orders save on shipping costs! 8) You're probably sick of being asked this.... any relation to the OTHER stick-playing mr Levin? Michael Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- "..man, the road must eventually lead to the whole world. Ain't nowhere else it can go - right?" - Jack Kerouac, "On The Road" --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Tue May 19 10:51:16 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:53:19 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybpdf-0002vM-00; Tue, 19 May 1998 09:53:19 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980519124325.007aee60@pop3.afn.org> X-Sender: afn39111@pop3.afn.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:43:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "earthblind, starbound" Subject: looping software? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19980519120458.007b12b0@pop3.afn.org> <3.0.5.32.19980519120458.007b12b0@pop3.afn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"oVWJ_C.A.5FC.9bbY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5626 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:53:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 65839700c682908b946884d462fb3eb4 Hi. I've searched the archive for helpful information, but found such a huge list of complete digests that I couldn't find anything. What I'd like to know is if there exists looping software for windows. I'm not talking about a real-time echoplex-simulation sort of thing, which is a huge project, but just something that can play sound files in a bunch of loops. Using a tracker/sequencer might be the best bet, but the problem here is that if I want to create any drum loops, they have to be all the same length--the length of the block. What would be useful here is 2 drum programs, side by side. In MIDI, not sequencer mode. In addition, if I want to use a sample in a tracker, I have to somehow keep adding empty blocks to the program--or else every time the track returns to the beginning spot, it hits the loop at the beginning and screws it up. MIDI programs, while good for loop creation using cut and paste (though you have to know beforehand how many you're going to do), lose the sample aspect. Is there a program specifically for looping? Here's what would be perfect, and it already exists in lame form: if you go to the shockrave site on the net, they frequently have these little mixer programs in shockwave. Each of six tracks or so plays a loop, which you can select and change the volume of, etc. I could see that working perfectly, three or four drum tracks I program in different time signatures, a couple freaky noises, etc. Does such a thing, configurable, exist? Failing that, anyone else out there creating looping music by software? How do you do it? "It's going to be either me or everyone else I kill, so pray for my quick suicide." - afn39111@afn.org This is who I am. -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/ From ???@??? Tue May 19 12:13:42 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:16:25 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybqw3-0001d5-00; Tue, 19 May 1998 11:16:23 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD8316.3F65D780.moriarty@mpath.com> From: Brian Moriarty Reply-To: "moriarty@mpath.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: looping software? Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:06:59 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aCuPqD.A.H7.HscY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5628 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:16:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 2c8b413eb4f485af2bbbdc56c7c17814 >What I'd like to know is if there exists looping software for windows. I'm not talking >about a real-time echoplex-simulation sort of thing, which is a huge project, but just >something that can play sound files in a bunch of loops. You want Acid from Sonic Foundry. www.sfoundry.com - BM From ???@??? Tue May 19 10:51:17 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:12:29 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybpwC-0004V2-00; Tue, 19 May 1998 10:12:28 -0700 Message-Id: <3561CA7C.43BAD45F@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:07:58 +0100 From: Olivier Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: UniversitŽ catholique de Louvain, Belgium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping software? References: <3.0.5.32.19980519120458.007b12b0@pop3.afn.org> <3.0.5.32.19980519120458.007b12b0@pop3.afn.org> <3.0.5.32.19980519124325.007aee60@pop3.afn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-lFYC.A._uD.XwbY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5627 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:12:28 -0700 X-UIDL: bd4f4d3e9424c37e10028b37cf34310a I think any good audio/sequencer would do your job. You can add either on top of each other or one after the after, on several tracks if necesssary, any sample you'd like to use. There no reason to use a "cycle" mode. Just paste one after the other you samples. That whay you can edit some for adding diversity, manipulate each as your needs would eventually meet. You would then just create a file the length of your "song", and make samples "appear" where you want, regardless of their length. Besides you would still be able to add a few midi tracks, which is always handy. Your advice people? Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue May 19 20:42:23 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:20:44 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybrwJ-0006Fb-00; Tue, 19 May 1998 12:20:43 -0700 Message-ID: <3561DAC2.5C95@dmans.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:17:22 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Rang Sample Rate] References: <01bd8283$8083f460$LocalHost@0QHC6SIA> <356074C0.F4A4530A@cdac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8wPNE.A.yUF.bndY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5629 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:20:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 68b260c6c4d105eeeb76f2fb8e727e37 Randy, Here's a copy of an email I sent to Jeff Collins. COLLINSCLAN wrote: > > Is there any way to get the sampling rate up to 18 or 20 bit? > Jeff Collins Hi Jeff, Just a quick correction. The number of bits per sample is not the sampling rate. The sampling rate is the number of samples taken per second and affects the maximum frequency that can be recorded. The number of bits per sample, or sample width, affects the dynamic range available - difference in the softest and loudest sound that can be recorded. The Boomerang Phrase Sampler always uses 16 bit samples and has 2 user selectable sample rates: 16KHz and 8KHz. The sample width of this product will not be changed though future products will undoubtedly have wider samples and/or higher sample rates. Hope this clears up any Rang questions. Best regards, Mike Nelson, co-owner Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 Tel 800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913) Fax 214-343-1038 email mnelson@dmans.com web page http://www.boomerangmusic.com From ???@??? Tue May 19 20:42:30 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:59:37 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybtTy-0005L8-00; Tue, 19 May 1998 13:59:34 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD8345.8B561AE0@tor-usr10.074226.aracnet.net> From: Jon Grant To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: looping software? Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:42:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6J3U8D.A.KOE.8BfY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5630 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:59:34 -0700 X-UIDL: b51b9b608c35240032c5d3b430c59f4b What would be fantastic is to find some software (I use a PC) that one could load a number of samples into, then play them back in a User-controlled order. Ie. (since that doesn't even make sense to me) you have 4 samples; you start the program looping sample #1; this continues until you tell the program to loop sample #2; it does this without a break in the music/sound. Ideally, the new loop/sample wouldn't necessarily start until the end point of the previous loop/sample. This would gear the program more towards a performance-type result, although you wouldn't be able to record loops live (they would be prerecorded samples). If there's software that does that, I would be very pleased. Jon Grant Tian Music www.aracnet.net/~tianmus From ???@??? Tue May 19 20:42:39 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:36:50 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybv05-00049n-00; Tue, 19 May 1998 15:36:49 -0700 Message-ID: <002001bd8376$10c0eae0$b364afce@default> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Subject: Re: looping software? Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:32:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"u15RF.A.0PD.WegY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5631 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:36:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 83f982118ae1bfc8eb923782427c19ed The softewaer you are asking for has just been released to retail stores this week. ACID by Sonic Foundry does everything you mention and much much more. It's AWESOME to the max ! There's a demo on their website. Try it out and you're certain to love this software ! Bill Cummings drums@myself.com -----Original Message----- From: earthblind, starbound To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 12:51 PM Subject: looping software? >Hi. I've searched the archive for helpful information, but found such a huge list of complete digests that I couldn't find anything. > >What I'd like to know is if there exists looping software for windows. I'm not talking >about a real-time echoplex-simulation sort of thing, which is a huge project, but just >something that can play sound files in a bunch of loops. > >Using a tracker/sequencer might be the best bet, but the problem here is that if I >want to create any drum loops, they have to be all the same length--the length of >the block. What would be useful here is 2 drum programs, side by side. In MIDI, >not sequencer mode. In addition, if I want to use a sample in a tracker, >I have to somehow keep adding empty blocks to the program--or else every time the >track returns to the beginning spot, it hits the loop at the beginning and screws >it up. > >MIDI programs, while good for loop creation using cut and paste (though you have to >know beforehand how many you're going to do), lose the sample aspect. > >Is there a program specifically for looping? Here's what would be perfect, and it >already exists in lame form: if you go to the shockrave site on the net, they >frequently have these little mixer programs in shockwave. Each of six tracks or >so plays a loop, which you can select and change the volume of, etc. I could see >that working perfectly, three or four drum tracks I program in different time >signatures, a couple freaky noises, etc. Does such a thing, configurable, exist? > >Failing that, anyone else out there creating looping music by software? How do >you do it? > > "It's going to be either me or everyone else I kill, > so pray for my quick suicide." - afn39111@afn.org > This is who I am. -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/ From ???@??? Tue May 19 20:42:40 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:52:09 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybvEu-0005VO-00; Tue, 19 May 1998 15:52:08 -0700 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: looping software? Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:43:04 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd8377$7c590e80$9e004382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"l05q9C.A.CnE.SugY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5632 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:52:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 2499f53e14c518796d9e4be013aef676 Hi all , I advice you to check these softwares out. They might not be exactly what you are looking for , but anyone on this list could use them. Here goes: Hammerhead , drumloops Mellonsoftron , a softwaresampler , lets you trigger wavs Rebirth , sounds and looks like the old roland classics for bass and drums- techno style Rubberduck , a bass machine with some groovey filters......... These beuties are the best I can come up with.........I really dont know where to find them , but they have been mentioned on the list from time to time.........anyone? Hope this helps a lil`bit. Yours , Thomas From ???@??? Tue May 19 20:42:43 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:04:00 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ybvQN-0006Xl-00; Tue, 19 May 1998 16:03:59 -0700 Message-ID: <35620D0B.9D3A454D@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:51:55 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping software? References: <3.0.5.32.19980519120458.007b12b0@pop3.afn.org> <3.0.5.32.19980519120458.007b12b0@pop3.afn.org> <3.0.5.32.19980519124325.007aee60@pop3.afn.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gCoSOC.A.moF.t5gY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5633 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:03:59 -0700 X-UIDL: cf3c8c2be69fb288124036e67ab7416d Making waves is another looping soft to check http://www.pslnet.demon.co.uk/gra_indx.htm Claude -- Please correct the reply address by deleting this "----" Veuillez corriger mon adresse pour me rŽpondre en effaant a "----" From ???@??? Wed May 20 01:23:03 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:14:36 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yc358-0001O5-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 00:14:34 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: fine musical experience Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:11:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01bd83be$7be0d900$bf1c8ed1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0393CA5@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"BatcM.A.yAB.JIoY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5635 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:14:34 -0700 X-UIDL: adf59fedf3920120881bf0ff6e6df015 Cheers, dude. This concert was remarkable. The bassist stole the show -- what a genius! That's not a cello -- it's a guitar, it's Jaco Pastorius, it's a guitar, it's a cello, it's a violin, it's Hendrix... What a dude. Thank you very much for letting me know about it. Saw them in Berkeley and they were *fantastic*! Very funny Mr. Bennink, very great physical expressions, his playing was very energetic, very skillful. Mr. Moore was right on the button. Their ensemble is quite striking, and the effects of their chemistry were like fireworks. What a great show. If you're near, don't miss it! Javier Berkeley -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. [mailto:LiebigSA@Maritz.com] Sent: Monday, May 18, 1998 9:25 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: fine musical experience Hey y'all, Sorry, no looping content, just great music. I just saw a band last night, that if you're one of these towns, could treat you to a fine musical experience: The Clusone Trio: Michael Moore, alto saxophone and clarinet; the legendary Han Bennink, drum set (and theatricality); Ernst Reisjeiger, cello. They're all great players and make for a wonderful and semi-dadaistic concert experience. (They're based in Amsterdam, so stateside folk, this is your big chance.) 18 May: Santa Cruz (Kuumbwa) 19 May: Berkeley (Beanbenders) 20 May: Arcadia (unknown venue) 21 May Seattle (unknown venue) 22 May Vancouver (unknown venue) 24 May (?): Bath England Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled programming . . . From ???@??? Wed May 20 01:23:02 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:33:36 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yc2RT-0007Pe-00; Tue, 19 May 1998 23:33:35 -0700 Message-Id: <356286CE.920D44B5@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:31:29 +0100 From: Olivier Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: UniversitŽ catholique de Louvain, Belgium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping software? References: <01BD8345.8B561AE0@tor-usr10.074226.aracnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Resent-Message-ID: <"D2p7iB.A.TuG.ghnY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5634 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:33:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 5f438d777a9c52c769f158e1de6934bc Again, any sequencer midi/audio and any sampler by itself, anyway, can do that. Olivier Malhomme Jon Grant a Žcrit: > What would be fantastic is to find some software (I use a PC) that one could load a number of samples into, then play them back in a User-controlled order. Ie. (since that doesn't even make sense to me) you have 4 samples; you start the program looping sample #1; this continues until you tell the program to loop sample #2; it does this without a break in the music/sound. Ideally, the new loop/sample wouldn't necessarily start until the end point of the previous loop/sample. This would gear the program more towards a performance-type result, although you wouldn't be able to record loops live (they would be prerecorded samples). If there's software that does that, I would be very pleased. > > Jon Grant > Tian Music > www.aracnet.net/~tianmus From ???@??? Wed May 20 09:46:04 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 05:14:24 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yc7lH-0004jz-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 05:14:23 -0700 Message-ID: <3562914A.2969@pop.interport.net> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:16:12 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: never enough References: <2.2.32.19980520114818.0070db44@mail.dada.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eDK3KC.A.0JE.EhsY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5640 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 05:14:23 -0700 X-UIDL: d26077f82de2ee5ec75bc6d174ce7289 Although I own several electric gtrs it seems every once in a while I get an urge to buy another. At the moment the epiphone les paul has caught my eye. I am also intrigued by the possibility of building my own eletric and carvin(my favorite american gtr maker) has an interesting kit. I know many loopers are gtrsts, so if the rest of you don't mind, to my fellow gtrplyrs I ask, "what has caught your eyes, ears or pockets with the gtrs of all price ranges on the US market these days? I am concerned with depletion of natural resources and am seriously pondering the thought of buying used junk cheap and doing serious eletronic upgrades as a protest in favor of trees. I think about this kind of stuff. do you? anyone interested in gtr talk but not wanting to waste looper space can contact me privately. jparada@changenow.com http://www.changenow.com ps.N.y. area sam ash stores are having a midnite sale this thurs.the time is right to make a purchase. I have overtime pay burning a hole in my pocket. From ???@??? Wed May 20 09:46:00 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 04:54:11 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yc7Rg-0003Ki-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 04:54:08 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980520114804.007056d8@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:48:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: RE: looping software? Resent-Message-ID: <"fV0wVC.A.slC.dMsY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5636 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 04:54:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 2e993e07ddf79e6525e58581873f0cd2 At 16.42 19/05/98 -0400, you wrote: >What would be fantastic is to find some software (I use a PC) that one could load a number of samples into, then play them back in a User-controlled order. Ie. (since that doesn't even make sense to me) you have 4 samples; you start the program looping sample #1; this continues until you tell the program to loop sample #2; it does this without a break in the music/sound. Ideally, the new loop/sample wouldn't necessarily start until the end point of the previous loop/sample. This would gear the program more towards a performance-type result, although you wouldn't be able to record loops live (they would be prerecorded samples). If there's software that does that, I would be very pleased. > > Jon Grant > Tian Music > www.aracnet.net/~tianmus > > I've had the chance to try one of the first betas of Acid by Sonic Foundry. Last night I donloaded the demo too. as someone already said this prog could be your perfect choice. It's really oriented to loop music. Clearly they thought to dance stuff mainly but Acid could be used to fit every other need. the main thing of Acid is its time strech/expand capability, all in real time, all without a glitch. No surprise if this thing will be used by Djs along turntables. It could be really interesting. The interface is amazingly intuitive and simple. I think you have X tracks depending on your RAM and the lenghts of the samples you import. On every track you can program volume, pan changes and FX amount on the 2 FX send. No FX included but Direct X compatible. This is its basic funtioning: you import a pre edited 1 bar groove on track n.1. The groove will fit immediatly the time that you have selected in Acid, with no pitch variation. The you import a bass line in track 2, recorded at a different tempo, and it will adjust tha phrase in real time to fit the exact bpm. And so on. Altough there are a lot of other progs that can stretch audio files with good results, I don't know any other that can do this in real time and in a non destructive way. For looping purposes this could be a great thing to edit loop compositions. There's a record function too (on th beta was not perfectly functioning, on the demo I've not tried yet) so you can use it also as a multitrack recorder. The only thing that I was disappointed with were the music demos dwonloadable from their site. They don't make justice to the potentialities of the prog. It's simply shit. I've just tweaked the prog and came with some incredible results respect the demos. Hey, I don't work for Sonic Foundry. :) ciao leo From ???@??? Wed May 20 09:46:01 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 04:54:32 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yc7S0-0003Mr-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 04:54:28 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980520114812.0070a4b8@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:48:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: SV: looping software? Resent-Message-ID: <"Z0Oz5C.A.jmC.hMsY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5637 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 04:54:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 8cdda31f814dc089ce6f979952e8bf54 At 00.43 20/05/98 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi all , I advice you to check these softwares out. They might not be exactly what you are looking for , but anyone on this list could use them. Here goes: > >Hammerhead , drumloops > >Mellonsoftron , a softwaresampler , lets you trigger wavs > >Rebirth , sounds and looks like the old roland classics for bass and drums- techno style > >Rubberduck , a bass machine with some groovey filters......... > > >These beuties are the best I can come up with.........I really dont know where to find them , but they have been mentioned on the list from time to time.........anyone? > >Hope this helps a lil`bit. > >Yours , Thomas > Hey, I've got them all :), plus more. Every one has its peculiarities and I use for different things, often combining each prog result in VST. Let me know if you wanna know more specifically. ciao leo From ???@??? Wed May 20 09:46:02 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 04:54:34 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yc7S5-0003NM-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 04:54:33 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980520114818.0070db44@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:48:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: RE: fine musical experience Resent-Message-ID: <"5lDbZC.A.wmC.iMsY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5638 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 04:54:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 7ee6b795b3e39ce3f7ebc6ee4376fa3a At 00.11 20/05/98 -0700, you wrote: >Cheers, dude. This concert was remarkable. The bassist stole the show -- what a genius! That's not a cello -- it's a guitar, it's Jaco Pastorius, it's a guitar, it's a cello, it's a violin, it's Hendrix... What a dude. > Thank you very much for letting me know about it. Saw them in Berkeley and they were *fantastic*! Very funny Mr. Bennink, very great physical expressions, his playing was very energetic, very skillful. Mr. Moore was right on the button. Their ensemble is quite striking, and the effects of their chemistry were like fireworks. What a great show. > If you're near, don't miss it! > I saw them 3 times and I agree with you: they are incredible musicians. ciao leo From ???@??? Wed May 20 09:46:03 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 05:09:02 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yc7g5-0004I7-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 05:09:01 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yc7g5-0005uu-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 05:09:01 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yc7g2-0004Hl-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 05:08:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:05:05 -0400 (EDT) From: David Talento X-Sender: legion@omni1 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: looping software? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980520114804.007056d8@mail.dada.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"sbmNOD.A.yzD.ybsY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5639 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 05:08:58 -0700 X-UIDL: b8d397ad7ecfe6108fe0e3dcf37c9816 On Wed, 20 May 1998, Leonardo Cavallo wrote: > At 16.42 19/05/98 -0400, you wrote: > >What would be fantastic is to find some software (I use a PC) that one > could load a number of samples into, then play them back in a > User-controlled order. I don't think anyone has mentioned software for the Mac titled "Back to Basics". It was developed by some students/artists at CMU who use it in the Devoesque band Operation Reinformation (O.R.I.) This software plays samples and everything is trigger by a computer keyboard. depending on which function keys and combinations you press you can make the sound louder, stretch, play backwards, etc etc. It's done totally live. They just finished a tour and showed up onstage with four MAc powerbooks and computer keybaords strapped to their chests guitar style. It was hilarious but in reality they actually really could *play* those damn things too. I forget the URLl of their website but you can do a searc on Back to Basics or Operation Reinformation and probably find it. I belive they said they were also going to make a PC version. Either way the sowftar was damn cheap (around $20 or so as I recall). Their CD is great too btw... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From ???@??? Wed May 20 09:46:05 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 06:23:26 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yc8q5-0007Yn-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 06:23:25 -0700 Message-Id: <3562D822.7772@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:18:26 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping software? References: <3.0.5.32.19980519120458.007b12b0@pop3.afn.org> <3.0.5.32.19980519120458.007b12b0@pop3.afn.org> <3.0.5.32.19980519124325.007aee60@pop3.afn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"539Y_D.A.lxG.uftY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5641 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 06:23:25 -0700 X-UIDL: d80d9b004207e965b6d1bd310eea63ea Hello, All! I found an interesting shareware program called "SoundRaider" (www.andyw.com/raider). It doesn't do what you're looking for, but it's hugely fun. When launched, SoundRaider scans your drive for WAV files (you can restrict its search to a particular directory and subdirectories). Then, on a periodic basis, it randomly selects a file, randomly selects a portion of the file (I think), randomly applies changes (half-speed, double speed, etc), and loops a portion of the file. It does this process on five independent channels. From the SoundRaider homepage: "SoundRaider is a music creation tool that works by scanning your hard drive for WAV format sounds and uses them to create industrial-ambient sound.Leave SoundRaider running on the desktop and listen to your hard drive muttering to itself." Now what I find especially cool, is how the content of the WAV files effect the operation. For example, use a bunch of drum patterns and you get one effect, use files of spoken word and you get a totally different effect. I have a bunch of didjeridu, Tibetan singing bowl, and Waterphone wave files and I get a cool etheral thing happening (most of the time). I plan on using this in live performance but I haven't exactly decided how, yet. Is it art? Is it Art? Who cares? - Dennis Leas From ???@??? Wed May 20 09:46:16 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:39:29 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycBto-0004ab-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 09:39:28 -0700 Message-ID: <002001bd840a$ff408600$620a0a0a@peter> From: "Peter Wilkie" To: , Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:18:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"d7jyHB.A.OpD.AWwY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5642 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:39:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 3d3feaf6f69b1c86387ffb40c20e9253 Yes, please remove me also... - thanks Peter -----Original Message----- From: Paul or Shelley To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: 16 May 1998 21:21 Subject: Remove from list! Please >Kim: > >I am overwhelmed with forwarded e-mail - please remove me from the list >serv >Thanks: Paul > > From ???@??? Wed May 20 10:28:50 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:48:03 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycC25-0005ZH-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 09:48:01 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980520164053.006cc208@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:40:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: looping software? Resent-Message-ID: <"cvwCvB.A.JiE._ewY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5643 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:48:01 -0700 X-UIDL: bf3fcc587da22054663c9318056cabdc At 08.18 20/05/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, All! > >I found an interesting shareware program called "SoundRaider" (www.andyw.com/raider). It >doesn't do what you're looking for, but it's hugely fun. When launched, SoundRaider scans >your drive for WAV files (you can restrict its search to a particular directory and >subdirectories). Then, on a periodic basis, it randomly selects a file, randomly selects >a portion of the file (I think), randomly applies changes (half-speed, double speed, etc), >and loops a portion of the file. It does this process on five independent channels. From >the SoundRaider homepage: check www.groovemaker.com ciao leo From ???@??? Wed May 20 10:28:51 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:14:59 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycCS9-0000IB-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 10:14:57 -0700 Sender: randy@cdac.com Message-ID: <35630DC0.E650AB9@cdac.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:07:12 -0700 From: Randy Reichenbach Organization: Cascade Design Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jparada@changenow.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: never enough (warning: contains guitar banter) References: <2.2.32.19980520114818.0070db44@mail.dada.it> <3562914A.2969@pop.interport.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1NgHgC.A.azG.H3wY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5644 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:14:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 2c54e2de7ab76868e1001f266c565ad2 Yes, I could send this offline, but I feel that since we all live on the same earth, the issue of wasted trees affects us all. The trees deserve all the help and publicity they can get... John + Diane, I echo your plea for the trees. I decided last year that I might change my career from engineering to guitar building. Learning the trade has been a rewarding, but sometimes a dissonant experience, because my only love greater than my love for music, is my love for nature and life. I feel physical pain whenever I see a load of trees being hauled off from my favorite forests. Yet I contribute to their use. Fortunately there are others who feel like us, and have found alternatives to the mass destruction of endangered trees. Dave Maize is a very friendly builder who not only builds from non endangered and reclaimed woods, but sells his wood alternatives to other builders. Believe it or not, there are excellent substitutes for Ebony and Rosewood. http://www.ashland.net/maize/ Other Eco-Friendly Builders http://www.essentialstrings.com/lawrence.htm http://www.zonguitars.com/zon.faqs.html Roundtable Discussion of Environmental Guitar Building http://www.mtobiasd.com/mtd/roundtbl.html "Out of the Woods" SmartWood - Practical Conservation Through Certified Forestry http://www.rainforest-alliance.org/rfa_live_cgi/swm.cgi?caller=hp_f2%2Ecgi Possibly, the key to having our trees and loving them too, is to at least learn to give up the use of endangered woods, and use non endangered alternatives (maple, cedar, redwood, katalox, granadillo, walnut, Plastic, etc.), reclaimed woods, or woods from sources certified by SmartWood. Cheers, Randy Once upon a time, John + Diane Parada wrote: > > Although I own several electric gtrs it seems every once in a while I > get an urge to buy another. At the moment the epiphone les paul has > caught my eye. I am also intrigued by the possibility of building my own > eletric and carvin(my favorite american gtr maker) has an interesting > kit. I know many loopers are gtrsts, so if the rest of you don't mind, > to my fellow gtrplyrs I ask, "what has caught your eyes, ears or pockets > with the gtrs of all price ranges on the US market these days? I am > concerned with depletion of natural resources and am seriously pondering > the thought of buying used junk cheap and doing serious eletronic > upgrades as a protest in favor of trees. I think about this kind of > stuff. do you? > anyone interested in gtr talk but not wanting to waste looper space can > contact me privately. > > jparada@changenow.com > > http://www.changenow.com > > ps.N.y. area sam ash stores are having a midnite sale this thurs.the > time is right to make a purchase. I have overtime pay burning a hole in > my pocket. -- Peace ... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ====== = Randy Reichenbach randy@cdac.com = // || \\ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= || || || = Physical Design Engineer (VLSI-CAD) = || //\\ || = Duet Technologies = \\//__\\// = 3650 131st Ave SE, Suite 650 = `------' = Bellevue, Washington 98006 = = Tel: 425.643.0200 Fax: 425.649.7600 = ... Get some! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From ???@??? Wed May 20 10:33:23 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:33:14 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycCji-00026u-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 10:33:07 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycCjh-000588-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 10:33:05 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycCjc-00026K-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 10:33:00 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002001bd840a$ff408600$620a0a0a@peter> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:25:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please Resent-Message-ID: <"JloQHD.A.PVB.XJxY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5645 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:33:00 -0700 X-UIDL: d27571d2c74c195bb1e854cfe5e5fb39 >Yes, please remove me also... - thanks > >Peter >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul or Shelley >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: 16 May 1998 21:21 >Subject: Remove from list! Please > > >>Kim: >> >>I am overwhelmed with forwarded e-mail - please remove me from the list >>serv >>Thanks: Paul >> Looks like its time for another episode of "irritated list owner's unsubscribing diatribe." Enjoy. ************************************************* OK, I don't say this very often (or ever), but seems like this is a good time, since I'm now completely sick of spending so much time helping people with this. Subscribing and Unsubscribing to this mailing list, as with every other mailing list on the entire Internet, is *AUTOMATED ON A SERVER*. That means that there is a computer where you send the request, and it handles it automatically. There are *NO HUMANS* involved in this process. If you post a message like this to the list, there is no human (or at least no willing human) who will then go and send the commands to the server for you. You have to do it all by yourself! There is a page on the Looper's Delight website that explains how to do this: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html Some other things to note: - When emailing commands to the server, don't strike up a conversation. The computer does not care what you have to say. Remember, there are NO HUMANS involved. The computer will not understand your witty banter, and will send you the automatically generated help file. - There is only one way to spell the word "subscribe" and only one way to spell "unsubscribe." Never in my life could I have imagined how many ways people could come up with to misspell these words. If the email has only one word in it, is it really so hard to check that you've spelled it right? The computer will not understand creative reinterpretations of the spelling of these words and will send you the help file. - Turn your sig file off. The computer will not be impressed by your nifty quotes and ascii art, and will send you the help file if you leave the sig file on. - If you are using hotmail or one of the other free email services that automatically attach sig file advertisements, you're screwed. You'll have to mail me and ask for help, and wait until I have time to get around to it. You get what you pay for. - Some newer email programs default to send email as HTML code. TURN THIS OPTION OFF. Not only does it screw up the server, most people who do not use these mail programs will be profoundly irritated by you. Just because morons at Netscape and Microsoft thought this was a good idea does not mean you should stoop to their level. - Don't send subscribe requests to the list address. There is a separate address for this. Nobody actually cares if you are subscribing or unsubscribing. - If you get an error from the server from your request mail, don't resend the exact same thing to the server 600 times. Expecting different results from the exact same actions is one definition of insanity. It's probably also an indicator of pure, unadulterated stupidity. Try to be above that. - this is really not complicated. Just follow the directions, and you will be fine! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed May 20 11:37:29 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:51:19 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycD1G-0003vo-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 10:51:14 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:44:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: In C Resent-Message-ID: <"SnriAB.A.kID.4axY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5646 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:51:14 -0700 X-UIDL: f065e50ad3c3027bad0d990d25b3f8dd this was sent to me, thought some of you might be interested..... >Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com >Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:22:46 +1000 >From: robert davidson >Reply-To: s036614@student.uq.edu.au >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: kflint@annihilist.com >Subject: In C > >>From Wired magazine: > >Terry Riley >In C: 25th Anniversary Concert >New Albion > >Many believe that In C crystallized and formally launched the minimalist >movement. This exceptional recording re-emphasizes >its stature in 20th-century music. When Terry Riley penned In C, there >was a grand convergence on the West Coast in the >'60s. The fertile California avant-garde scene (which included Lukas >Foss and electronic-music pioneer Morton Subotnick), a >resurgence in Eastern music, and psychotropic drugs all combined to >stimulate and influence Riley. > >In C remains a universal classic for its open-ended, ludic nature. The >score sets forth 53 short phrases to be played by every >member of the ensemble, as well as "the Pulse" - a part in which high Cs >are played, usually by piano, in a monotonous stream >of eighth notes throughout the performance. The order of the 53 phrases >is unchanging, but each can be repeated as many >times as the musicians desire. In C ends when all the players have >arrived at the last figure. No two performances are alike, >and the attentive interplay between ensemble members is crucial to >pulling the piece off. > >The joys of this 25th Anniversary recording are manifold: it is >substantially longer than earlier recordings, and the ensemble >here bulges with 31 members, including Riley, Jaron Lanier, Henry >Kaiser, and members of the Kronos Quartet. This version >is saucy and sensuous, rich with reed instruments and percussion. >Following any one instrument's excursion through the piece is >like tracing the elegant gearwork of a precision watch. > >With its innovative methodology, In C has contributed to countless >aspects of contemporary classical and popular music and >aided in the birth of the ambient genre. Within its pockets of >dissonance and consonance, its pauses and surges, are musical >quintessence and divine proportion. > >- Alan E. Rapp > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed May 20 11:37:35 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:19:42 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycDSm-0006N0-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:19:40 -0700 X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35620D0B.9D3A454D@vtx.ch> References: <3.0.5.32.19980519120458.007b12b0@pop3.afn.org> <3.0.5.32.19980519120458.007b12b0@pop3.afn.org> <3.0.5.32.19980519124325.007aee60@pop3.afn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:12:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: looping software? Resent-Message-ID: <"EYWtPB.A.jZF.D1xY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5647 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:19:40 -0700 X-UIDL: ed7160831a98fbab24c7e7740df1ecb4 i am really enjoying this list, but am depressed by how much of the cool stuff for computer audio looping being discussed is not mac compatible. is there mac stuff out there? m M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music i n t e r n e t : murkie@middlebury.edu http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html From ???@??? Wed May 20 11:37:36 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:34:36 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycDhC-0007k4-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:34:34 -0700 From: JNCO32085 Message-ID: <7c6bfe64.356320c4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:28:19 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 Resent-Message-ID: <"_WhXbD.A.zwG.yDyY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5648 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:34:34 -0700 X-UIDL: eea717a8bac000fb41ce4cc20b80e1e7 please remove me From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:29:56 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:55:15 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycE1C-0001sH-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:55:14 -0700 From: MIvanBerk Message-ID: <2f11a6d6.3563255f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:47:58 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: looping software -- for the mac Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"hL8b9.A.KIB.BWyY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5649 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:55:14 -0700 X-UIDL: d2315a815b3e5766a15abc574d73800f There is LiSa, which we discussed pretty extensively some months back. From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:29:58 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:08:27 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycEDy-00030W-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:08:26 -0700 From: Crossedout Message-ID: <736eff3.3563283a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:00:07 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: list, removing, etc.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"bG51CB.A.GNC.ihyY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5650 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:08:26 -0700 X-UIDL: c1fac4285a5bbfa6410364d85430c885 In a message dated 98-05-20 13:30:27 EDT, you write: << OK, I don't say this very often (or ever), but seems like this is a good time, since I'm now completely sick of spending so much time helping people with this. >> Bravo Kim! excellent missive on the concept of an AUTOMATED list.... Cheers - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Thu May 21 01:29:43 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:40:48 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycPy3-0001WE-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:40:47 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980520123913.0068cb18@mail.bulkley.net> X-Sender: cam@mail.bulkley.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:39:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Cam Subject: Cubase In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LVMsvB.A.QLB.0m9Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5676 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:40:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 1018271e9dc832f48bc3913132ddc05b Hi all. Sorry if this is a little off topic, but do any of you have Cubase VST, and what do you think about it? I'm considering buying it, but I would like to have some opinions regarding it's user-friendliness first. Thanks, Cam From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:01 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:43:57 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 0ycEmE-0004vM-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:43:50 -0700 Received: from [205.236.175.121] (helo=wacky.total.net) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 0ycEmE-0000fJ-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:43:50 -0700 Received: from gateway (fc.magic.ca [205.236.175.123]) by wacky.total.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA21543; Wed, 20 May 1998 15:43:50 -0400 (EDT) From: sc@magic.ca (Steve J. Cowan) To: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:40:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Echoplex in Europe! Message-ID: References: Organization: Magic Online / TotalNet Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 2.0 for FirstClass(R) X-UIDL: 3731db9b55d6830a425243a01338ac73 kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint),Internet writes: >The official word from Oberheim is still that they will have Echoplexes >shipping in Europe in September. That's pretty cool, although I've had one on order here in Toronto (Canada) for the last five months and still seen nothing. Does anybody know anything about the apparently dry Canadian Echoplex rations??? Any word from Oberheim? From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:04 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:53:45 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycEvi-0006AA-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:53:38 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycEvi-0000sA-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:53:38 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycEvS-00067q-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:53:22 -0700 From: sc@magic.ca (Steve J. Cowan) To: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:40:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Echoplex in Europe! Message-ID: References: Organization: Magic Online / TotalNet Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 2.0 for FirstClass(R) Resent-Message-ID: <"0NKuzD.A.joE.7JzY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5651 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:53:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 4960d724dfc97b8659e3979180916a38 kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint),Internet writes: >The official word from Oberheim is still that they will have Echoplexes >shipping in Europe in September. That's pretty cool, although I've had one on order here in Toronto (Canada) for the last five months and still seen nothing. Does anybody know anything about the apparently dry Canadian Echoplex rations??? Any word from Oberheim? From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:05 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:55:15 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycExC-0006MZ-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:55:10 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycExC-0000u2-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:55:10 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycEwz-0006KT-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:54:57 -0700 From: JNCO32085 Message-ID: <818a4122.3563330e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:46:21 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: remove Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 Resent-Message-ID: <"N3iVnB.A.FBF.6MzY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5652 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:54:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 105cca56b6b357ec62dfcebfd649f720 remove From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:09 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:22:40 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycFNj-0001iW-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:22:35 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycFNi-0001Nj-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:22:34 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycFNW-0001gc-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:22:22 -0700 Reply-To: From: "gertz" To: Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:54:53 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980520201212.2407.qmail@wuppertal1.pop.metronet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"Tef2D.A.jY.lkzY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5655 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:22:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 54c9c2d113cda4e4123107a6f79df6c3 ---------- von gertz@metronet.de > An: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Betreff: Re: Remove from list! Please > Datum: Mittwoch, 20. Mai 1998 20:28 > > please remove me from this list, please,please...> From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:10 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:24:31 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0ycFPT-0001yQ-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:24:23 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycFPS-0001SA-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:24:22 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycFPI-0001xC-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:24:12 -0700 Reply-To: From: "gertz" To: Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:59:29 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980520201332.2428.qmail@wuppertal1.pop.metronet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"uHR9KC.A.Vi.xlzY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5656 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:24:12 -0700 X-UIDL: 207e8a168053744fe01838af677907dd ---------- > Von: gertz@metronet.de > An: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Betreff: Re: Remove from list! Please > Datum: Mittwoch, 20. Mai 1998 20:28 > > please remove me > From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:08 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:17:03 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycFII-0000zz-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:16:58 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980520160809.006bc9b0@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: ngc1275@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:08:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Theatre of the Mind Subject: RE: looping software? In-Reply-To: References: <2.2.32.19980520114804.007056d8@mail.dada.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"X0Qq6B.A.6TH.vgzY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5654 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:16:58 -0700 X-UIDL: b0587ed3edad8b68a30c17903033637a Hey Leonardo and All, The web page for O.R.I. is: http://www.reinformation.com/ The last time I talked to them they wanted $29.00 for the program. They do a good job of performing too. Pretty amusing. Have fun. While I'm here I hope nobody minds me throwing in a little plug. I'll be doing an improvised electronic, organic, loop collage set at Georges 5th St. Cafe, 517 South 5th St, Philadelphia, May 28th from 9:00 to 10:30pm and there's no cover. I'll be pounding on my Jupiter-6 and SH-101 looping through an RDS-8000 and some other F/X. I'm going under the name of "Theatre of the Mind". also: I do an electronic experimental event once every month "Upstairs at Nick's" at 16 So. 2nd St., Phila. June 3rd called E L E C T R O L U S T. This month I'm featuring David Tolento's "Music for Isolation Tanks" and "Theatre of the Mind"(myself-opening) with dj John Schenk spinning between sets. Should be a great evening. If anyone is interested in doing a set in the near future give me a shout at or leave a message at 610.664.8809. Later, Mark of b. Theatre of the Mind At 08:05 AM 5/20/98 -0400, you wrote: > > > >On Wed, 20 May 1998, Leonardo Cavallo wrote: > >> At 16.42 19/05/98 -0400, you wrote: >> >What would be fantastic is to find some software (I use a PC) that one >> could load a number of samples into, then play them back in a >> User-controlled order. > >I don't think anyone has mentioned software for the Mac titled "Back to >Basics". It was developed by some students/artists at CMU who use it in >the Devoesque band Operation Reinformation (O.R.I.) > >This software plays samples and everything is trigger by a computer >keyboard. depending on which function keys and combinations you press you >can make the sound louder, stretch, play backwards, etc etc. It's done >totally live. > >They just finished a tour and showed up onstage with four MAc powerbooks >and computer keybaords strapped to their chests guitar style. It was >hilarious but in reality they actually really could *play* those damn >things too. > >I forget the URLl of their website but you can do a searc on Back to >Basics or Operation Reinformation and probably find it. I belive they said >they were also going to make a PC version. Either way the sowftar was damn >cheap (around $20 or so as I recall). > >Their CD is great too btw... > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion >"Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > >Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and >info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > > > > From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:11 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:26:02 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0ycFQy-0002BH-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:25:56 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycFQy-0001TN-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:25:56 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycFQs-0002AX-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:25:50 -0700 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0393CCC@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Remove Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:14:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"O_o5hB.A.Ar.2mzY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5657 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:25:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 88cf8b7c06cf88c1d5aec10f7cdef55f > >please remove me > > Hit-men have been dispached to your address. Expect to be... removed in > the next couple of days. > A perfect solution, perhaps sales of Loopers Delight CDs could create a fund for this service :-) > To quote my favourite Bond villain: > "Now, I'm going to put you out of my misery" > My fave bond villian (sorry!), from Thunderball: "You've caused me quite a bit of pleasure, now I'm going to cause you quite a bit of pain!" > > > From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:13 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:44:00 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycFiR-00042F-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:43:59 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: looping software? Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:36:47 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"aoCUC.A.yKD.J8zY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5658 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:43:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 396c41716adac4b673a7a76050ad5069 Yes Mac stuff for sampling: Lisa Mac Midi based stuff: Cubebase VST Studio Vision Pro Digital Performer Metro Freestyle contact sweetwater sound they have experts that can tell you what each Mac program can and can't do as far as looping and sampling. I've used Freestyle for some synth. drum loops. I have not figured out how to change loops on the fly with this software. I like the jamman for looping keyboards and guitar. Hardware beats software hands down. I also use the Mac program MacroMedia/OSC Deck II for recording. later John > ---------- > From: murkie > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 1:16 PM > To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > Subject: Re: looping software? > > i am really enjoying this list, but am depressed by how much of the > cool > stuff for computer audio looping being discussed is not mac > compatible. is > there mac stuff out > there? > > m > > M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n > Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music > i n t e r n e t : murkie@middlebury.edu > http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html > > > From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:14 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:52:58 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycFr6-0004xb-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:52:56 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980520164542.006c074c@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: ngc1275@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:45:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Theatre of the Mind Subject: Spelling correction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"htjR5D.A.u7D.3D0Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5659 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:52:56 -0700 X-UIDL: cb0157b080eb4f98c01553d38b5ad346 Hey All, Sorry, I spelled David's name wrong. It's Talento. Mark of b. From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:15 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:03:04 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycG0t-00061m-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 14:03:03 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: looping software? Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:52:42 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd8431$3bf1acc0$5008bfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lMpeMD.A.FBF.bO0Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5660 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:03:03 -0700 X-UIDL: b9bc74d82e6ddc978d3cf213ddd93610 I've found the GREAT stuff for the MAC!! Go to www.music.princeton.ecu/psk/index.html It's the Princeton Sound Kitchen and they've got a bunch of cool music programs. I wish I had a Mac so i could use them. Jeff Collins collinsclan@sprintmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Ott, John To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 4:40 PM Subject: RE: looping software? >Yes > >Mac stuff for sampling: > >Lisa > >Mac Midi based stuff: > >Cubebase VST >Studio Vision Pro >Digital Performer >Metro >Freestyle > >contact sweetwater sound they have >experts that can tell you what each Mac >program can and can't do as >far as looping and sampling. > > >I've used Freestyle for some synth. drum loops. I >have not figured out how to change loops on the fly >with this software. > >I like the jamman for looping keyboards and guitar. >Hardware beats software hands down. > >I also use the Mac program MacroMedia/OSC Deck II for >recording. > >later >John >> ---------- >> From: murkie >> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 1:16 PM >> To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >> Subject: Re: looping software? >> >> i am really enjoying this list, but am depressed by how much of the >> cool >> stuff for computer audio looping being discussed is not mac >> compatible. is >> there mac stuff out >> there? >> >> m >> >> M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n >> Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music >> i n t e r n e t : murkie@middlebury.edu >> http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html >> >> >> > > From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:17 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:11:44 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycG9H-0006un-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 14:11:43 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD8410.9CAA6DC0@tor-usr10.074215.aracnet.net> From: Jon Grant To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Echoplex in Europe! Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:55:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD8410.9CB20EE0" Resent-Message-ID: <"es-yTB.A.6vF.NV0Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5661 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:11:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 22db8fba743a58a854b73a4a4f274603 Steve, I know what you mean about the Echoplex problem here in T.O. I did see one in Montreal a little while back at a small store, but that's my only sighting. It's good to see someone in Toronto (or Canada at all) on the list. Perhaps you could let me know of any loop-type or otherwise interesting musical events going on. Pretty much the only stuff I hear of is at the Music Gallery. Cheers, Jon Grant Tian Music www.aracnet.net/~tianmus ---------- From: Steve J. Cowan[SMTP:sc@magic.ca] Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 3:40 PM To: Kim Flint Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex in Europe! kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint),Internet writes: >The official word from Oberheim is still that they will have Echoplexes >shipping in Europe in September. That's pretty cool, although I've had one on order here in Toronto (Canada) for the last five months and still seen nothing. Does anybody know anything about the apparently dry Canadian Echoplex rations??? Any word from Oberheim? From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:24 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:42:24 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycGcx-0001ez-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 14:42:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:29:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000DAE69.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Remove from list! Please To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "Michael P. Hughes; Ph.D." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"0-xIt.A.k6.by0Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5662 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:42:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 0d6716309a95356aba508758ac146359 I tried and tried to get removed from this freakin' list and eventually gave up. Sadly, it's all I read now! I tried to sell my JamMan for $2000.00 also. No success there either! Wotgives!? Who are all you people anyway? And why are you here? Looping?????? Exactly! As usual, -Miko ------------------------------------------------------------- "And I am running scared... From all the usual distractions!" ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please Author: "Michael P. Hughes; Ph.D." at INTERNET Date: 5/20/98 9:45 PM Kim (who's going to regret this) said: >- If you get an error from the server from your request mail, don't resend >the exact same thing to the server 600 times. Expecting different results >from the exact same actions is one definition of insanity. It's probably >also an indicator of pure, unadulterated stupidity. Isn't it also the principle of looped music? Expecting people's reactions to hearing the exact same piece of music to shift over time? ;) Does that mean loopers are stupid and insane, or our audiences? :b Michael PS Someone else wrote: >please remove me Hit-men have been dispached to your address. Expect to be... removed in the next couple of days. To quote my favourite Bond villain: "Now, I'm going to put you out of my misery" Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- "..man, the road must eventually lead to the whole world. Ain't nowhere else it can go - right?" - Jack Kerouac, "On The Road" --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:26 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:06:42 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycH0T-0003lK-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 15:06:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:55:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000DAECD.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Looping in Arlington VA or thereabouts??? To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"IwUwc.A.95C.ZJ1Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5663 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:06:41 -0700 X-UIDL: c68a9261251b5e5e5203ef8192852866 I'm hoping to make a trip to Arlington on business in the near future and wonder if there are any opportunities to jam or play out with any of our fair-dinkum-loopsters? I've no real date set yet, and it's rather flexible, so I could synchronize my activites with other music related events. Best, -Miko From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:28 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:39:44 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycHWQ-0006O4-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 15:39:42 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980520173507.006a9a78@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:35:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: The Move of Remove Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NWps7B.A.5YF.eo1Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5664 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:39:42 -0700 X-UIDL: d057f07375e1431a560ca5feb6454c23 perhaps in all fairness to lazy subscribing computer spelunkers, the removal codex should be documented en el mismo pagina as the subscription codex, then all slobbering fools could not miss going off road, and less time could be spent trimming hedges and handing out virtual Mapscos. Or maybe, it's all too much fun, technopoly... Mjh From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:30 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:49:14 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0ycIbf-0004Eg-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 16:49:11 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycIbg-0004rP-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 16:49:12 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycIbc-0004EF-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 16:49:08 -0700 From: Crossedout Message-ID: <5a384396.35636a37@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:41:42 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: extreme removal measures.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"6xq3.A.GVD.fp2Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5665 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:49:08 -0700 X-UIDL: cd0e890b33817ea48a7d33645725cc13 In a message dated 98-05-20 16:04:59 EDT, you write: << PS Someone else wrote: >please remove me Hit-men have been dispached to your address. Expect to be... removed in the next couple of days. >> HAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!! BRAVO! I wonder if there's a viable market for .... er ... "removal" services among list managers.... - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:33 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:42:03 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycJQn-0000Nm-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 17:42:01 -0700 Message-ID: <35637731.1872@efn.org> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:37:05 -0700 From: Peter Harlan Reply-To: pharlan@efn.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: pharlan@efn.org Subject: How to unsubscribe! References: <5a384396.35636a37@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HSkDO.A.GHH.Hc3Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5666 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:42:01 -0700 X-UIDL: a62460002c5d8b117ea67e51b226d077 Well, we've (almost) all had a little chuckle at the expense of a couple of frustrated people who don't know how to get off this list. Of course, idiocy and insanity are two possible reasons somebody might be in that predicament, but there are others too--some very unlikely, but some that are quite plausible. Here are some things to ponder: -- Some folks don't necessarily control what happens to their old email. They may be using their employer's computer, or maybe one belonging to a family member or friend. -- Some folks have disk crashes, and it turns out they didn't actually have everything backed up! -- Some folks might have been subscribed by somebody else for a variety of reasons. -- Some folks may have multiple personalities, and there are others who will say this is not insanity. -- Some folks may just be under a lot of stress. -- Directing somebody to a web site is not always effective because some folks have access to email, but not to the web. I see no reason to further punish these people no matter what their story is. So, for anybody who cares and who has read this far, here is how you unsubscribe (and I quote from the message that was initially sent to me when subscribing): ----------- If you ever need to unsubscribe, send mail to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject and the body. ----------- That's all. Sorry for the non-looping content. - Peter From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:34 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:44:15 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycJSw-0000cd-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 17:44:14 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980521003917.0093b878@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:39:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: extreme removal measures.... Resent-Message-ID: <"Sfv97B.A.pC.ie3Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5667 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:44:14 -0700 X-UIDL: d147ec29181f75d768f8daad098e4ec9 At 07:41 PM 5/20/98 EDT, Crossedout wrote: >In a message dated 98-05-20 16:04:59 EDT, you write: > ><< PS Someone else wrote: > >please remove me > > Hit-men have been dispached to your address. Expect to be... removed in > the next couple of days. >> > >HAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!! BRAVO! > >I wonder if there's a viable market for .... er ... "removal" services among >list managers.... sign me up! you'd be amazed at what some people do. The worst are not the people who simply fail to follow the directions. It's the people who then develop large quantities of attitude who I'd like "removed". My girlfriend and I (she runs a much larger list than this one) have both experienced some rather shocking and aggressive behavior from folks who were less than appreciative of our freely given efforts. I'm sure that any list manager could share similar stories. If anybody wants to start up an "unsubscribing" service, you've got our business. :-) kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:41 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:13:27 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycLnJ-0002BR-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 20:13:25 -0700 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: extreme removal measures.... Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 05:06:56 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd8465$835e4a80$ba084382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"U3mEtC.A.WvB.yr5Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5668 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:13:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 48b3dcb612fa8c5317a6b75c86c9a15d >. If anybody wants to start up an "unsubscribing" service, you've got >our business. :-) People , people!!! Can`t we all try and get along??? I remember the good old times when there still was unanswered question about the looping machines. Now that everyone knows everything about every looping machine ever invented........well , as with other small societies , when the fears and everyday traumas are overcome by science boredom is soon to follow. And in its wake alcoholism and apathy.........Need I remind you of how the the highly toxic drink Absint almost ruined France a few centuries back. As we all know , the world revolves around looping and its machinery. We hold the faith of nations in our hands and our responsibility is to great to quibble over details. March on , brave soldiers , for the lands shall one day unite under the Conclave of the Three Monolithic Avengers All Hail Jamman ,Echoplex and Boomerang (in no particular order , of course) Yours , Thomas "he who hopefully gets the last word in this silly thread" From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:43 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:07:21 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycMdU-0005Tu-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 21:07:20 -0700 Message-ID: <3563A728.70E9F8D5@jps.net> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:01:45 -0700 From: Roland Eberle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SV: extreme removal measures.... References: <01bd8465$835e4a80$ba084382@pentium-200> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"P82-sD.A.uwE.0d6Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5669 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:07:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 34f9ebafe1286369a557804d547df59b Amen Woehni wrote: > Yours , Thomas "he who hopefully gets the last word in this silly thread" From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:44 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:31:51 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycN1C-0007F8-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 21:31:50 -0700 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:27:07 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Remove from list! Please (MIKO) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 81 Resent-Message-ID: <"_xomdB.A.5cG.S16Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5670 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:31:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 9a6c4b788240070d919022b010289f37 i could not have said it better?? perhaps!!.................michael From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:46 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:43:22 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0ycNCK-0000Mq-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 21:43:20 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycNCK-0001hI-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 21:43:20 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycNCH-0000MY-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 21:43:17 -0700 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: <7e94f740.3563afe8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:39:03 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SV: extreme removal measures....Thomas!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 81 Resent-Message-ID: <"5SU9SD.A.q.QA7Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5671 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:43:17 -0700 X-UIDL: f0a9b4d63e958469fb79d0861f456fd3 Thomas.....bravo !!!.......................too much fun!!!! Esker.....thank you Kim...you are an excellent host oh and by the way.........how do you sudscrib to this lsit??? From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:07 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:07:45 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycF9M-0007k2-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:07:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980520214548.0d578a06@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:45:48 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Remove from list! Please In-Reply-To: References: <002001bd840a$ff408600$620a0a0a@peter> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"oHxinC.A.JlG.UZzY1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5653 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:07:44 -0700 X-UIDL: b4a9e06b835c725dd4bc4449c344e045 Kim (who's going to regret this) said: >- If you get an error from the server from your request mail, don't resend >the exact same thing to the server 600 times. Expecting different results >from the exact same actions is one definition of insanity. It's probably >also an indicator of pure, unadulterated stupidity. Isn't it also the principle of looped music? Expecting people's reactions to hearing the exact same piece of music to shift over time? ;) Does that mean loopers are stupid and insane, or our audiences? :b Michael PS Someone else wrote: >please remove me Hit-men have been dispached to your address. Expect to be... removed in the next couple of days. To quote my favourite Bond villain: "Now, I'm going to put you out of my misery" Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ --------------------------------------------------------------- "..man, the road must eventually lead to the whole world. Ain't nowhere else it can go - right?" - Jack Kerouac, "On The Road" --------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft m.hughes@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Wed May 20 23:30:47 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:05:25 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0ycNXf-0001v0-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 22:05:23 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycNXf-00020u-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 22:05:23 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycNXc-0001ur-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 22:05:20 -0700 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: <1e907d1b.3563b4f3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 01:00:34 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: feel free to tell me to shut-up........... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 81 Resent-Message-ID: <"vcEZY.A.idB.jU7Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5672 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:05:20 -0700 X-UIDL: e765faaaef99e0c03dd993b8ef9174bc i was just thinkin.........................its not those who are abondoning ship that are suspect...........the ones that need the watching are those who will get the peepers going at 3/8 speed in key going backwards left to right with old drum beats and lots of coffee.........yipes !!!!!!!!!...........michael From ???@??? Thu May 21 01:29:40 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:06:50 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycPRB-0007Te-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:06:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bd8486$ac1b5b40$6223dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: What the .... hey! Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:04:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"w1HSGC.A.luG.wG9Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5673 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:06:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 2a7cc8ca62d20121ddf740e6c9c8065c Jeepers, one tribute to Sinatra and the whole list goes insane. What's the world coming to? No, don't answer... Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Thu May 21 01:29:41 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:20:06 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycPe1-0000MA-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:20:05 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:15:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looping software? Resent-Message-ID: <"C5cxP.A.hE.OT9Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5674 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:20:05 -0700 X-UIDL: fab38648b3da58cb6ca8a2e13f5a5799 Here's another page full of links to mac audio software. Looks very complete and up to date: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~tre/CompMusMac/ kim >I've found the GREAT stuff for the MAC!! >Go to >www.music.princeton.ecu/psk/index.html >It's the Princeton Sound Kitchen and they've got a bunch of cool music >programs. >I wish I had a Mac so i could use them. >Jeff Collins >collinsclan@sprintmail.com > >>> From: murkie >>> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 1:16 PM >>> To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >>> Subject: Re: looping software? >>> >>> i am really enjoying this list, but am depressed by how much of the >>> cool >>> stuff for computer audio looping being discussed is not mac >>> compatible. is >>> there mac stuff out >>> there? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu May 21 01:29:41 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:30:53 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycPoS-0000yp-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:30:52 -0700 From: KRosser414 Message-ID: <88916794.3563d74d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 03:27:08 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: In C Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"LXIq3.A.gs.xd9Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5675 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:30:52 -0700 X-UIDL: bc0e1d1671826d4cea65587f1f02035d When I first moved to L.A. I managed to wind up in an ensemble of about 15 people performing In C at the MacArthur Park bandshell. If any of you know this fine venue you'll understand how truly surreal a scenario that is... Anyway, I still have the 'score', such as it is, if anyone in my neck of the woods is up for a go at it. Ken R From ???@??? Thu May 21 01:29:44 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 01:12:02 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycQSH-0002kt-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 01:12:01 -0700 Message-Id: <3563EF50.CEDFEA98@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:09:38 +0100 From: Olivier Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: UniversitŽ catholique de Louvain, Belgium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping? References: <01bd8465$835e4a80$ba084382@pentium-200> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gSoob.A.hSC.lD-Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5677 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 01:12:01 -0700 X-UIDL: e52cd6613c56b4482e72ca81cfdf8c84 Hey I have an in-topic question (that was certainly discussed to death before). Since I was away from the list for a time.. Eventually, this 8 sec? stombox from DOD, did it came out or not? Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Thu May 21 02:36:38 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 02:16:57 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycRT6-0004v0-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 02:16:56 -0700 Message-Id: <3563FE37.C63AD50F@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:13:14 +0100 From: Olivier Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: UniversitŽ catholique de Louvain, Belgium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Cubase References: <3.0.1.32.19980520123913.0068cb18@mail.bulkley.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L2pAsD.A.CWE.c_-Y1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5678 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 02:16:56 -0700 X-UIDL: feef2707de32ac1c7a5f2b88416707d4 As far as I know: I use Cubase VST mac. Eq is not too good, and no insert so far (only PC version, but a look at the Cubase users list show quite trouble with the PC version sometimes. Digital performer seems to have the better audio functions, but cubase is easy (to me at least). Lots of third party plugs for anything from reverb to reasonant filter, from ring mod to death ray gun phasers. Nontheless those softs require SCSI connectiion, the soft and data must be on a separate HD, and with today's machine you should run without too much trouble 32 audio tracks. Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Thu May 21 10:54:55 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 05:03:54 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycU4f-0002P0-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 05:03:53 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980521115752.006cc52c@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:57:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Cubase Resent-Message-ID: <"xJ12ZD.A.o9B.nbBZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5679 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 05:03:53 -0700 X-UIDL: 1b3d3d588ed6381e3d613c77b50f83cf At 12.39 20/05/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hi all. Sorry if this is a little off topic, but do any of you have Cubase >VST, and what do you think about it? I'm considering buying it, but I >would like to have some opinions regarding it's user-friendliness first. > >Thanks, Cam > > > I'm using VST a lot for my editing, recording and remixing. I have a PC and the prog has some little problems that you learn to know with time and experience. It's not perfect but really usable. I know mac version it's a lot more stable. Alternatives are Logic Audio and Cakewalk. I think VST is the more user friendly and intuitive. e-mail privately if you wanna know more. ciao leo From ???@??? Thu May 21 10:55:00 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 07:46:18 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycWbp-0001rl-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 07:46:17 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'loopers delight'" Subject: RE: Cubase-does it loop Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:39:53 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"FgZwwD.A.oSB.dzDZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5680 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 07:46:17 -0700 X-UIDL: c59515d4fe48c27264dc787278566f88 What about looping capabilities? > ---------- > From: Olivier Malhomme > Reply To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 1998 4:14 AM > To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > Subject: Re: Cubase > > As far as I know: I use Cubase VST mac. > Eq is not too good, and no insert so far (only PC version, but a look > at the Cubase users list show quite trouble with the PC version > sometimes. > Digital performer seems to have the better audio functions, but cubase > is easy (to me at least). Lots of third party plugs for anything from > reverb to reasonant filter, from ring mod to death ray gun phasers. > Nontheless those softs require SCSI connectiion, the soft and data > must > be on a separate HD, and with today's machine you should run without > too > much trouble 32 audio tracks. > > Olivier Malhomme > > From ???@??? Thu May 21 10:55:06 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:10:39 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycXvS-0007YV-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 09:10:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:02:41 -0400 From: "Paul J. Dresher" Subject: Echoplex availability Sender: "Paul J. Dresher" To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199805211203_MC2-3DC2-748B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"uRUBrD.A.HhG.4BFZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5681 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:10:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 597d3159b4516a0612f8ce2545f51dd9 Loopers: About six weeks ago I placed an order for an EDP at Thoroughbred Music, (mail order), and it just arrived today, with pedal as well. It was a long wait but it finally came. Don't know if this would help anyone outside the US but they are one of the few mail order places that actually has the unit in their catalogue. Order via 1-800-8004654 (then you get the usual insane voice mail routing around, but be patient, you'll get to someone eventually). Paul Dresher From ???@??? Thu May 21 10:55:18 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:03:06 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycYkB-000448-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 10:03:03 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: Echoplex availability Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:53:03 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd84d8$ebc68420$8008bfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qF_pZD.A.TND.bzFZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5683 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:03:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 8e0d20db31c0baf49945626ef6874e05 Paul, You should have went through Eastcoast Music Mall at 203-748-2799 I've got better prices from them than anyone. A ecoplex full on for 200 cheaper than Sweetwater. Jeff Collins -----Original Message----- From: Paul J. Dresher To: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 12:08 PM Subject: Echoplex availability Loopers: About six weeks ago I placed an order for an EDP at Thoroughbred Music, (mail order), and it just arrived today, with pedal as well. It was a long wait but it finally came. Don't know if this would help anyone outside the US but they are one of the few mail order places that actually has the unit in their catalogue. Order via 1-800-8004654 (then you get the usual insane voice mail routing around, but be patient, you'll get to someone eventually). Paul Dresher From ???@??? Thu May 21 10:55:09 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:23:05 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycY7T-0000oT-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 09:23:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3564615C.BA3@ares.csd.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:16:16 -0700 From: Prasanna Organization: Akashic Recording Studio X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looking for JamMan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tHC0jB.A.MV.FPFZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5682 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:23:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 408e20c69df1aed5c26c84107d8b0096 Hi. I'm new to the list. I am looking to buy a Lexicon JamMan or two. Can anyone help with this? Thanks in advance. Prasanna Bishop Akashic Recording Studio From ???@??? Thu May 21 11:33:38 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:17:53 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycZua-0001pu-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 11:17:52 -0700 Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BD84F4.124DB0D0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" , "'Andre LaFosse'" , "'Archie Patterson / Eurock'" , "'Axel Rudolph'" , "'Bernhard Woestheinrich'" , "'Edward J Hudek'" To: "'Hernan Nunez'" , "'Horst Becker'" , "'Peter Wassong'" , "'Philipp Quaet-Faslem'" , "'Rainer Roeingh'" , "'Raul Bonell Tomas'" To: "'Ray Peck'" , "'Thomas Frank'" , "'Udo Dzierzanowski'" , "'Rich Rath'" , "'Olaf Koch'" , "'Wolfgang Schmidt'" To: "'Raimund Stuka'" <100663.473@compuserve.com>, "'Discipline Records'" , "'Markus Reuter'" Subject: Escape Veloopity is (almost) there Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:04:23 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"z6WRs.A.tIB.i4GZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5684 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:17:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 9e3011e197517d302514c7dee1b3464b hi all, I've finally completed my new music website. It contains some info on my forthcoming CD 'Escape Veloopity', a guestbook (you're invited to leave a comment of course), and a listening page with realaudio samples of *each* track. (Unfortunately, the CD will be not available until July.) I guess you have already noticed that I'm eager to hear your opinion. =) Also please, let me know if there are any problems with the pages, links, realaudio or whatever. If you should want to check out the website, please do me a favor and do it *soon* because I'll be away and offline for 3 vacation weeks from *next tuesday* (email sent to me later might, as history has shown, be destined for Nirvana because my Compuserve mailbox has a limit of 100 mails, and with the various lists I read, this will flow over quickly). I've also been busy revamping the webpages of my little fractal program 'hop' .. but I'm not through yet, so you'll still see the old 'hop' pages for a while. michael peters mpeters@csi.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ From ???@??? Thu May 21 11:44:48 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:42:11 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycaI2-0003oi-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 11:42:06 -0700 Message-ID: <356474AD.A5456063@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:38:52 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: COLLINSCLAN CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex availability References: <01bd84d8$ebc68420$8008bfa8@0QHC6SIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0meceB.A.PDD.OQHZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5685 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:42:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 9c87610237acb0cf9c168f8962fb08ef (Wo)Man, Ain't that the shits, when you finally get your 'Plex in the morning mail, and feelin' pretty damn good about it, thank you very much, when some well-intentioned neighbor pipes up "...er, friend, ya shoulda went an' bought it over there, for a whole lot less!" As for me, I'm still waitin' on my UPS angel, so Paul, you've got at least one jealous neighbor...for now, at any rate : ) kind regards all around, Lance Glover COLLINSCLAN wrote: > Paul, > You should have went through Eastcoast Music Mall at 203-748-2799 I've got > better prices from them than anyone. A ecoplex full on for 200 cheaper than > Sweetwater. > Jeff Collins > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul J. Dresher > To: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 12:08 PM > Subject: Echoplex availability > > Loopers: > > About six weeks ago I placed an order for an EDP at Thoroughbred Music, > (mail order), and it just arrived today, with pedal as well. It was a long > wait but it finally came. Don't know if this would help anyone outside the > US but they are one of the few mail order places that actually has the unit > in their catalogue. Order via 1-800-8004654 (then you get the usual insane > voice mail routing around, but be patient, you'll get to someone > eventually). > > Paul Dresher From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:12:28 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:55:01 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycaUU-0004zW-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 11:54:58 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycaUU-0005dd-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 11:54:58 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycaUQ-0004z1-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 11:54:54 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3564615C.BA3@ares.csd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:46:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looking for JamMan Resent-Message-ID: <"bmpU6D.A.ZDE._aHZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5686 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:54:54 -0700 X-UIDL: f697f35bc3991fd9f77e11ac7b0c670b At 10:16 AM -0700 5/21/98, Prasanna wrote: >Hi. I'm new to the list. I am looking to buy a Lexicon JamMan or two. >Can anyone help with this? Thanks in advance. > >Prasanna Bishop >Akashic Recording Studio I think Miko was offering his for only $2000 yesterday......:-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:12:32 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:32:19 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycb4b-0000Lg-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 12:32:17 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: looping software? Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:25:26 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"pRfFd.A.SGH.P_HZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5687 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:32:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 4ff10255f21b278c997f304f61a1ffad The links mentioned by Kim and Jeff are freeware/shareware apps and plugins. There is much more available If you want to buy a commercial package. later John > ---------- > From: Kim Flint > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 1998 2:18 AM > To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > Subject: Re: looping software? > > Here's another page full of links to mac audio software. Looks very > complete and up to date: > > http://shoko.calarts.edu/~tre/CompMusMac/ > > kim > > > >I've found the GREAT stuff for the MAC!! > >Go to > >www.music.princeton.ecu/psk/index.html > >It's the Princeton Sound Kitchen and they've got a bunch of cool > music > >programs. > >I wish I had a Mac so i could use them. > >Jeff Collins > >collinsclan@sprintmail.com > > > > >>> From: murkie > >>> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 1:16 PM > >>> To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > >>> Subject: Re: looping software? > >>> > >>> i am really enjoying this list, but am depressed by how much of > the > >>> cool > >>> stuff for computer audio looping being discussed is not mac > >>> compatible. is > >>> there mac stuff out > >>> there? > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:13:09 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:16:02 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yciJM-0003Ah-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 20:16:00 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:37:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Echoplex MIDI Question Resent-Message-ID: <"lsl-kD.A.6mC.YzOZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5700 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:16:00 -0700 X-UIDL: da785b26f898b09fd44594a66387a340 This question is primarily directed to Kim, but I thought the info could be useful to others so I'm posting the list. I'm thinking of selling of a jam man and using the proceeds towards an Echoplex. I currently control my Jam Men with my PMC-10. How easy is it to control the Echoplex with MIDI commands? DO I sacrifice any of the power of the instrument if I control via MIDI rather than the footswitch? Do I access any of the instruments power via MIDI that I could not access with the foot control( this is the case with the Jam man, primarily fades....)? I just don't want to add anything else to the floor. Currently I have a GR-1, a whammy II, the PMC-10, two volume pedals, one expression pedal, and one momentary switch on the floor. At times I've had more. Any experience with this is appreciated. BTW Fingerpaint's CD Primary Colors: BLUE is now available for $10 post paid in the US. I'll post more info as we get the web site updated with sound files, etc..... Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:12:34 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:46:46 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycbIZ-0001a7-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 12:46:43 -0700 Message-ID: <356483B2.C0DB92CF@Pirnie.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:42:43 -0400 From: "Lee Wordsman" Reply-To: Lwordsman@Pirnie.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Delay question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0nGqNB.A.yFB.AOIZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5688 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:46:44 -0700 X-UIDL: 5d7504842a2b0047575bf19c85f9f2bf I recently borrowed a Digitech GSP 5 from a friend. Last night I got a chance to fool around with editing some of the presets. It has 13 preprogrammed effect chains. A couple of the chains have something referred to as four tap delay where you can edit the delay time and level for each of the four delays. I'm not sure what it is that I end up hearing when this plays. Can anyone explain what is happening in a four tap delay. For example, is delay two recieving its input from delay 1 and delay 4 from delay 3? Any help would be appreciated. From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:12:36 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:06:33 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycbbk-0003Co-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 13:06:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: lowfrqcy@west.net (Ryan Blum) Subject: Vortex for Sale! woohoo! Resent-Message-ID: <"AqtCzB.A.KkC.wfIZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5689 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:06:32 -0700 X-UIDL: ff8c20b033f8902d43d63ab79ba4a65c hello everyone, I've found that my style of looping has solidified somewhat....right now, I'm using my JamMan with great results on my upright bass in my jazz quartet, and my vortex will never really sneak into the rig, I'm sure. So, all regrets aside, I've decided to sell the vortex to help buy one of those groovy Barbara in-bridge transducers. Anyway, The vortex (with one lexicon footcontroler and power supply, no box or manual) will go to the first person who emails me for $270 including COD shipping. If I don't get a response by the end of the week, i'm going to open it up to harmony-central.com and rec.m.m.marketplace. Thanks, Ryan -- "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -Albert Einstein From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:12:38 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:33:48 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycc27-0005Nv-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 13:33:47 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: pc based processors Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:23:28 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd84f6$5057e240$6808bfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD84D4.C9464240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"VbjzXD.A.ckE.E5IZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5690 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:33:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 3dc34a7fbfc69c4dee3a9b6097239b85
OK...now it's my turn to find out if anyone knows about some cool processors for the win based PC. I've found all kinds of stuff for processing, BUT it's all for Mac and i don't have a Mac. Does anyone want to help me out?
Jeff Collins
 
From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:12:41 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:00:05 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yccRN-0000CE-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 13:59:53 -0700 Reply-To: From: "gertz" To: Subject: Fw: looping software? Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:31:20 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980521204858.17986.qmail@wuppertal1.pop.metronet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"eaWOKC.A.fNG.CNJZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5691 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:59:53 -0700 X-UIDL: 77b0e9102bbca4cd388b766cd3e5f590 ---------- > Von: COLLINSCLAN > An: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Betreff: Re: looping software? > Datum: Mittwoch, 20. Mai 1998 22:52 > > I've found the GREAT stuff for the MAC!! > Go to > www.music.princeton.ecu/psk/index.html > It's the Princeton Sound Kitchen and they've got a bunch of cool music > programs. > I wish I had a Mac so i could use them. > Jeff Collins > collinsclan@sprintmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ott, John > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 4:40 PM > Subject: RE: looping software? > > > >Yes > > > >Mac stuff for sampling: > > > >Lisa > > > >Mac Midi based stuff: > > > >Cubebase VST > >Studio Vision Pro > >Digital Performer > >Metro > >Freestyle > > > >contact sweetwater sound they have > >experts that can tell you what each Mac > >program can and can't do as > >far as looping and sampling. > > > > > >I've used Freestyle for some synth. drum loops. I > >have not figured out how to change loops on the fly > >with this software. > > > >I like the jamman for looping keyboards and guitar. > >Hardware beats software hands down. > > > >I also use the Mac program MacroMedia/OSC Deck II for > >recording. > > > >later > >John > >> ---------- > >> From: murkie > >> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 1:16 PM > >> To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > >> Subject: Re: looping software? > >> > >> i am really enjoying this list, but am depressed by how much of the > >> cool > >> stuff for computer audio looping being discussed is not mac > >> compatible. is > >> there mac stuff out > >> there? > >> > >> m > >> > >> M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n > >> Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music > >> i n t e r n e t : murkie@middlebury.edu > >> http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:12:43 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:00:27 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yccRn-0000Fx-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:00:19 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yccRl-00001y-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:00:18 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yccRU-0000DD-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:00:01 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yccRU-00001O-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:00:01 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yccRH-0000Ba-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 13:59:47 -0700 Reply-To: From: "gertz" To: Subject: Fw: Echoplex availability Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:31:51 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980521204901.17986.qmail@wuppertal1.pop.metronet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"xrMLG.A.kPG.QNJZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5692 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:59:47 -0700 X-UIDL: c26cb7b24c97c8e8cc3213f0628fdd20 ---------- > Von: COLLINSCLAN > An: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Betreff: Re: Echoplex availability > Datum: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 1998 18:53 > > Paul, > You should have went through Eastcoast Music Mall at 203-748-2799 I've got > better prices from them than anyone. A ecoplex full on for 200 cheaper than > Sweetwater. > Jeff Collins > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul J. Dresher > To: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 12:08 PM > Subject: Echoplex availability > > > Loopers: > > About six weeks ago I placed an order for an EDP at Thoroughbred Music, > (mail order), and it just arrived today, with pedal as well. It was a long > wait but it finally came. Don't know if this would help anyone outside the > US but they are one of the few mail order places that actually has the unit > in their catalogue. Order via 1-800-8004654 (then you get the usual insane > voice mail routing around, but be patient, you'll get to someone > eventually). > > Paul Dresher > > > > From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:12:44 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:02:31 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yccTp-0000ZK-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:02:25 -0700 Reply-To: From: "gertz" To: Subject: Fw: looping software? Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:34:31 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980521205052.18018.qmail@wuppertal1.pop.metronet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"p7vEMD.A.AaG.7OJZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5694 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:02:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 690de7443f3b982ae0a3b35f83576766 ---------- > Von: Kim Flint > An: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Betreff: Re: looping software? > Datum: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 1998 09:15 > > Here's another page full of links to mac audio software. Looks very > complete and up to date: > > http://shoko.calarts.edu/~tre/CompMusMac/ > > kim > > > >I've found the GREAT stuff for the MAC!! > >Go to > >www.music.princeton.ecu/psk/index.html > >It's the Princeton Sound Kitchen and they've got a bunch of cool music > >programs. > >I wish I had a Mac so i could use them. > >Jeff Collins > >collinsclan@sprintmail.com > > > > >>> From: murkie > >>> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 1:16 PM > >>> To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > >>> Subject: Re: looping software? > >>> > >>> i am really enjoying this list, but am depressed by how much of the > >>> cool > >>> stuff for computer audio looping being discussed is not mac > >>> compatible. is > >>> there mac stuff out > >>> there? > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:12:46 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:03:03 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yccUN-0000eu-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:02:59 -0700 Reply-To: From: "gertz" To: Subject: Fw: Echoplex availability Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:35:35 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980521205055.18018.qmail@wuppertal1.pop.metronet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"00OhED.A.zZG.6OJZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5693 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:02:59 -0700 X-UIDL: b7a5e802ec5cc911979dc99ab857378e ---------- > Von: lance glover > An: COLLINSCLAN > Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Betreff: Re: Echoplex availability > Datum: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 1998 20:38 > > (Wo)Man, > > Ain't that the shits, when you finally get your 'Plex in the morning mail, and > feelin' pretty damn good about it, thank you very much, when some > well-intentioned neighbor pipes up "...er, friend, ya shoulda went an' bought > it over there, for a whole lot less!" > > As for me, I'm still waitin' on my UPS angel, so Paul, you've got at least one > jealous neighbor...for now, at any rate : ) > > kind regards all around, > > Lance Glover > > > COLLINSCLAN wrote: > > > Paul, > > You should have went through Eastcoast Music Mall at 203-748-2799 I've got > > better prices from them than anyone. A ecoplex full on for 200 cheaper than > > Sweetwater. > > Jeff Collins > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul J. Dresher > > To: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 12:08 PM > > Subject: Echoplex availability > > > > Loopers: > > > > About six weeks ago I placed an order for an EDP at Thoroughbred Music, > > (mail order), and it just arrived today, with pedal as well. It was a long > > wait but it finally came. Don't know if this would help anyone outside the > > US but they are one of the few mail order places that actually has the unit > > in their catalogue. Order via 1-800-8004654 (then you get the usual insane > > voice mail routing around, but be patient, you'll get to someone > > eventually). > > > > Paul Dresher > > > > From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:12:47 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:09:01 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycca0-0001UZ-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:08:49 -0700 Reply-To: From: "gertz" To: Subject: Re: remove me, please! Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:38:18 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980521205531.18080.qmail@wuppertal1.pop.metronet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"WKMUjC.A.E_G.dTJZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5696 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:08:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 65a405fb062db94a23ba579630138f74 please, please remove me from this list, I'm going mad with this. It costs me lots of money to remove these 20-30 messages a day.Please, who knows how my name is removed from this list? ---------- > Von: Leonardo Cavallo > An: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Betreff: Re: Cubase > Datum: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 1998 13:57 > > At 12.39 20/05/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi all. Sorry if this is a little off topic, but do any of you have Cubase > >VST, and what do you think about it? I'm considering buying it, but I > >would like to have some opinions regarding it's user-friendliness first. > > > >Thanks, Cam > > > > > > > > I'm using VST a lot for my editing, recording and remixing. > > I have a PC and the prog has some little problems that you learn to know > with time and experience. It's not perfect but really usable. I know mac > version it's a lot more stable. > > Alternatives are Logic Audio and Cakewalk. I think VST is the more user > friendly and intuitive. > > e-mail privately if you wanna know more. > > ciao > leo > > From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:12:46 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:08:44 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yccZl-0001SO-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:08:33 -0700 Reply-To: From: "gertz" To: Subject: Fw: The Move of Remove Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:40:14 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980521205534.18080.qmail@wuppertal1.pop.metronet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"OWVdHD.A._-G.cTJZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5695 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:08:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 99c093b1429cf7d64d040265a20a21b7 And I didn't even suscribed, get that seated---------- > Von: matthew hahn > An: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Betreff: The Move of Remove > Datum: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 1998 00:35 > > perhaps in all fairness to lazy subscribing computer spelunkers, the > removal codex should be documented en el mismo pagina as the subscription > codex, then all slobbering fools could not miss going off road, and less > time could be spent trimming hedges and handing out virtual Mapscos. Or > maybe, it's all too much fun, technopoly... > > Mjh > > From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:13:01 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:05:26 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yceOm-0002Ft-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:05:20 -0700 Message-ID: <19980521230114.8137.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:01:14 -0700 (PDT) From: eric muhs Subject: Re: Echoplex availability To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"0dIzQ.A.JnB.nHLZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5697 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:05:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 5583ee92099e46245b0fbae2fe1e9c1a I have been suffering under the deluge of Loopers Delight mail, but then your name popped up, and I thought I'd say hello. After a few years in grad school in Seattle (doing a lot of 4 track tape looping performances, too) I'm back in the Santa Cruz area teaching physics. Still using and exploring the 4 track, but have been considering going to the Echoplex. I am curious : does anyone still "tape" loop ? Do you like the echoplex ? Did you get 2, to create stereo ? For you personally, does it adequately replace the 4-track....there's new capabilities, and then there's capabilities lost with the old system ? or maybe the main issue is lugging the four track around & cutting loops ? I saw a show of the Ensemble in Santa Cruz last fall & enjoyed Channels Passing live. We have 2 little boys now, so I couldn't hang after the show. All the best, eric muhs ---"Paul J. Dresher" wrote: > > Loopers: > > About six weeks ago I placed an order for an EDP at Thoroughbred Music, > (mail order), and it just arrived today, with pedal as well. It was a long > wait but it finally came. Don't know if this would help anyone outside the > US but they are one of the few mail order places that actually has the unit > in their catalogue. Order via 1-800-8004654 (then you get the usual insane > voice mail routing around, but be patient, you'll get to someone > eventually). > > Paul Dresher > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:13:02 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:13:05 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 0yceWE-0002rl-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:13:02 -0700 Received: from [204.30.16.2] (helo=gatekeeper.wj.com) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 0yceWE-0002bu-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:13:02 -0700 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.wj.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA04556; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccsmtp.wj.com(144.172.15.213) by gatekeeper.wj.com via smap (V2.0) id xma004548; Thu, 21 May 98 16:13:04 -0700 Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.wj.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.11 Enterprise) id 000DBE81; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:17:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:04:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000DBE81.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Looking for JamMan To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com, Kim Flint Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part X-UIDL: 4c7fc4bc0bbc902ee240b02a234aae8e Don't pass this deal up! You'll never get it at this price point again... 8-> (What to buy, what to buy???) -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Looking for JamMan Author: Kim Flint at INTERNET Date: 5/21/98 11:46 AM At 10:16 AM -0700 5/21/98, Prasanna wrote: >Hi. I'm new to the list. I am looking to buy a Lexicon JamMan or two. >Can anyone help with this? Thanks in advance. > >Prasanna Bishop >Akashic Recording Studio I think Miko was offering his for only $2000 yesterday......:-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:13:02 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:18:30 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycebU-0003QK-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:18:28 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycebU-0002ix-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:18:28 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycebM-0003PL-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:18:20 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycebM-0002ii-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:18:20 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycebD-0003Nx-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:18:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:04:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000DBE81.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Looking for JamMan To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com, Kim Flint Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"TuO8B.A.dsC.AULZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5698 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:18:11 -0700 X-UIDL: c01b5b73c5c58553d24f3e8fffa826d4 Don't pass this deal up! You'll never get it at this price point again... 8-> (What to buy, what to buy???) -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Looking for JamMan Author: Kim Flint at INTERNET Date: 5/21/98 11:46 AM At 10:16 AM -0700 5/21/98, Prasanna wrote: >Hi. I'm new to the list. I am looking to buy a Lexicon JamMan or two. >Can anyone help with this? Thanks in advance. > >Prasanna Bishop >Akashic Recording Studio I think Miko was offering his for only $2000 yesterday......:-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:13:06 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:47:48 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycf3r-0005l4-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:47:47 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980521184515.0068b3a0@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:45:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Remove the attitude Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MYn7O.A.T9E.PwLZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5699 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:47:47 -0700 X-UIDL: d6b85fbfe953886a78875a5bf9307d3a As I hope I already implied, I am a computer spelunking slobbering neophyte. The way to get off was posted, once more it is: ----------- If you ever need to unsubscribe, send mail to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the SUBJECT and the BODY. ----------- ------- ----- That's all. Sorry for the non-looping content. *L* I have not meant to offend anyone, I think it was the Frank Sinatra incident... *L* Mjh From ???@??? Thu May 21 21:13:10 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:30:19 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yciXB-0004AK-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 20:30:17 -0700 Message-ID: <023501bd8531$e0011160$fcf1ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 23:29:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"BeKHnC.A.9mD.BCPZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5701 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:30:17 -0700 X-UIDL: bf9f611e8cb1603f01865f923e7e30a3 Kim said.... >there's no way to set the feedback range in the echoplex, but its a simple thing to >do by using different types of potentiometers or putting resistors in >series with the potentiometer. Forgive my lack of electronics knowledge, but there is a 100k pot in my pedal...between what 2 lugs on the pot do I wire a resistor, and what value should the resistor be to get it closer to the recommended 20k range? Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 "Truth is just an excuse for lack of imagination" - Garak From ???@??? Fri May 22 02:42:29 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:10:58 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yck6a-0001FM-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 22:10:56 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 01:05:34 -0400 From: "Paul J. Dresher" Subject: Tape Loops vs Echoplex Sender: "Paul J. Dresher" To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199805220105_MC2-3DD0-8F60@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"eKMT6B.A.z2.6fQZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5702 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:10:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 1f747f247794a2ac080f13d66346c1b6 Eric: Great to hear from you. I'm sorry you didn't come up after the Santa Cruz concert but I sure know about the kids thing (congrats on the two boys, I've got one). About your questions regarding my old 4-track tape loop system and the move to Echoplex: a variety of choices led to the switch. The first being that I felt I had explored pretty much all I could do with the 4-track system, as wonderful as it was, after a while it made me compose in a certain way and I needed to find newers tools for the new musical ideas. Also, as you know, the system is very heavy and since it was built in 1979, and had millions of (both internal and external) miles on it, it was becoming somewhat unreliable. At almost every venue on a tour, I had to open it up and fix something, usually just a loose or dirty connector but it was a hassle. I find the Echolplex to be a very powerful new tool with many features unattainable on the tape loop system. But there are some things the tape system could do which the Echoplex can't. First, I use 3 Echoplexes to just get close to the kind of multitrack stereo field I could create with the 4 track loop (essentially 4 stereo signals). More would be even better but I would feel even more guilty hogging so many of the hard to get units. The other major drawback is that with the tape loop system, I had completely control over variable speed, from around 4 inches per second to almost 30 IPS. This allowed me to record parts at one speed and then to play them back at radically different speeds (and thus pitches). Many of my pieces used this aspect (pretty much the way samplers work, but this was way before samplers) and it is simply not possible on the Echoplex. I've spoken to Kim about this and apparently this kind of feature would have to be implemented at the deepest design stage and would essentially make it a different instrument, or something similarly impossible. I control features such as Feedback and output volume with MIDI (via a Digitech PMC-10) and I have to say, the sum total of the resolution of the combination of footpedal and 127 steps of MIDI is still rather coarse and at times feels unreliable. I preferred the smoothness of my homemade analog footpedals for really slow smooth fade ins and outs. MIDI may just be too coarse, (or my foot pedal perhaps). I think volume should have 1024 increments, not 127. After all, we can really discern very fine differences in volume. One other small complaint, I wish the input were not so sensitive to overload, but they built a huge amount of gain into the input stage in order to deal with all levels, from mics to hot signals. (I put a peak limiter/compressor on my signal going to input in order not to overload the unit in the excitment of performance or when experimenting with wild new patches.) But all this slight complaining aside, I really love the musical and compositional possibilities the desigers have put into the unit and so would recommend it without hesitation. Maybe I just put the complaints in so that they would get on someone's list for the next design upgrade. Are you listening Kim? Hope to see you again soon Eric, I have and still listen to your olds tapes. Best Regards, Paul Dresher From ???@??? Fri May 22 09:48:24 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Fri, 22 May 1998 04:06:33 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0ycpeh-0005pj-00; Fri, 22 May 1998 04:06:31 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycpeh-0005bE-00; Fri, 22 May 1998 04:06:31 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycpef-0005pZ-00; Fri, 22 May 1998 04:06:29 -0700 Message-ID: <35655BEE.3A26@fredmarshall.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 04:05:30 -0700 From: fred@fredmarshall.com Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... References: <023501bd8531$e0011160$fcf1ffd0@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9xqf3.A.sOF.gsVZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5703 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 04:06:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 7531fdbe8b62f1d86d2de0110ff71fc8 - friends don't let friends use soldering irons. - the samurai worked, at the pleasure of his lord, with masters of other arts, such as the sword maker the armour dude, and so on . . . - this was not without reason . . . - Given the TIME, anyone can learn how to do just about anything. - if one understands the miracle of the anvil, relativity ain't too far away. - but who's gonna play the music? make the art? . . . the laughs? . . . the kids? . . . - assuming that the tool in quiestion is used to make music - now's the time - as bird said . . . - pay somebody to fix it . . . or throw it out the window or something . . . - living by one's wits - learning how to fix it ONLY if you have to - seems very natural for most musicians i've ever known. Roland Kirk's horns were taped together with that gooey white tape doctors used to use, and bandaids, and lots of rubber bands on top of crumbledy rubber bands that looked like they's been on the dashboard too long . . . he HAD to do it. he couldn't SEE to tell someone else to take that, and hook it to that, etc. -SUGGESTION: gain control of self - at least long enough to ALLOW self to get so "swept into the music or art of it all" that you just plain don't ever have TIME to get distracted by the equipment hazzard. - Juan Miguel Fangio (sp?), the world's best driver at the time, said he would always win in a race against a driver who was also a mechanic . . . said the mechanic would back off when he thought the car was going to break, and since Fangio's thing was driving, not fixing, he'd ask the car to do what HE needed. - it didn't often break. - and, there IS something rather satisfying about playing an instrument provided by the MUSIC itself. It took several thousand nights carrying around a plywood bass (DC 3's . . . Steam Trains . . .) for me to be able to afford my German flatback . . . 40 years (and 2 wives) later we're still best friends. And using the exact dimensions of its 300 yr. old bad self, i was able to design and build (w/Zeta Music and Gibson Guitars) over a hundred Uprites like the one that i now play - with quad out, midi, etc. . . . may IT still be singing in 300 years turning ! - hardest part is to be able to switch from fixin' ("what's wrong with this thing?") to playing ('what's right with this thing?"). . . which is the reason for the suggestion above. - also, there's always some young soul coming along for whom fixin' is THE place to be . . . (in which case Mr. Jordan reccomends Bryman) . . . mmmmmmm - BTW if the problem is the having the thing punch a hole in the fabric instead of fading out gradually, one can always adjust the THROW of the pedal - just use enough layers of weatherstrip tape under the heel to get in the way of the pedal's natural tendencies . . . the old De Armond pedals had a set screw to do that . . . ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' future perfect wrote: > > Kim said.... > > >there's no way to set the feedback range in the echoplex, but its a simple > thing to > >do by using different types of potentiometers or putting resistors in > >series with the potentiometer. > > Forgive my lack of electronics knowledge, but there is a 100k pot in my > pedal...between what 2 lugs on the pot do I wire a resistor, and what value > should the resistor be to get it closer to the recommended 20k range? > Dave Eichenberger > ********************************************************************* > 'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at: > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 > "Truth is just an excuse for lack of imagination" - Garak From ???@??? Fri May 22 09:48:25 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 22 May 1998 04:43:13 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycqEC-0006vq-00; Fri, 22 May 1998 04:43:12 -0700 Message-ID: <006001bd8576$88eb5080$1d68afce@default> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Subject: questions re EDP and JamMan from a new loop person Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:41:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01BD8554.FAF8D340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"MtgRhB.A.yOG.UNWZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5704 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 04:43:12 -0700 X-UIDL: 7099712b2ceb0b98a0359e3ca74cd15d
Well, I'm very new on this list, and have been tried to follow what's going on (strange stuff lately). I've been playing drums for 30 years, and also mess with a little keyboards too. Anyway, I'm wondering about this Echoplex Digital Pro that you're all talking about. I'd like to know more about what it's capable of doing. My local store has one (packed away in the stockroom somewhere, not set up for me to check out) and I believe they're asking like $800. for it. What's the usual selling price. Also, why are they supposed to be hard to get, and what is the current financial/operational status of OBie. I do own a Matrix-1000. I also have an Ensoniq ASRX sampling workstation (new for me) that I create loops on at the moment, and I'm wondering about what kind of wonderful things I could be doing with this gear if I added and Echoplex, or perhaps a JamMan (is that piece still available). Can anyone tell me, are they essentially the same thing (or how are they different) and again, I'm wondering exactly what they do (is it infinite looping?), is it mainly a live performance tool, or more of a studio piece, do you have to buy the foot pedal too (and what does it do - what does it cost). Thanks all for sharing your knowledge with this new loop enthusiast.
 
Bill Cummings
drums@myself.com
From ???@??? Fri May 22 09:48:30 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 22 May 1998 06:20:27 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ycrkI-0002Q6-00; Fri, 22 May 1998 06:20:26 -0700 Message-ID: <35657A83.CCD3D34D@Pirnie.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:15:48 -0400 From: "Lee Wordsman" Reply-To: Lwordsman@Pirnie.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Look Ma, I'm looping (however primitive it is) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"m7x8pB.A.J8B.PpXZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5705 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 06:20:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 1fc812f61cc362638d084ca650c3603c I had a fun looping experience last night with the previously mention GSP 5 and my 4 second time machine. I had the GSP 5 running into the time machine with a four tap delay wreaking havoc on a little major scale cluster of notes. The time machine was set on the full four seconds held it on infinite feedback when I started to realize it was time to wrap up for the night. I left it to play while I put my guitar away and was about to disconnect the effects when I though "what if I turn this around while its on hold and plug the time machine into the gsp and the gsp into the amp". An hour later and I was still twisting knobs and changing patches. The neat thing was that I could always get back to the original held loop. Tonight I'm going to try adding my little Korg Pandora to the mix. From ???@??? Fri May 22 23:30:53 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:25:01 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yd33U-0007Eu-00; Fri, 22 May 1998 18:25:00 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yd33W-0001Ia-00; Fri, 22 May 1998 18:25:02 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yd33S-0007Ed-00; Fri, 22 May 1998 18:24:58 -0700 Message-ID: <19980523011959.11050.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.244.224.137] From: "Mr. P." To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Tripping over God FS Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:19:59 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"qiQgU.A.CdG.eRiZ1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5706 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:24:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 22a4900e2e994b5f27eff4b2b7d1372d I have an extra copy of the cd by Mr. Torn, will sell for $9, postage extra. Reply by personal e-mail if interested. thanks, mr. p ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sun May 24 11:16:42 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 24 May 1998 03:16:41 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ydXpY-0005Uu-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 03:16:40 -0700 Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BD870C.DF942FF0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: test, please ignore Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:03:46 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"d5ceeD.A.o8E.MK_Z1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5707 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 03:16:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 1f727e61bf286ea6c93aff02c78f2320 test, please ignore From ???@??? Sun May 24 11:16:47 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 24 May 1998 08:07:19 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ydcMo-0002pR-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 08:07:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199805241501.LAA26345@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: JFk's LSD Ufo - Soundbite problems fixed..?! Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 11:00:24 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hiidNC.A.mZC.vaDa1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5708 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 08:07:18 -0700 X-UIDL: b1611f7f5e02a8ec23b4ff20d2f653b0 hey there commercial coming your way. bail out now if disinterested! last week some of you had problems getting to our real audio stuff - in addition to the streaming audio, we now have a download option, takes a few minutes outta yr day, but...check it out!! anyway - anyone interested, PLEASE let me know if one or both of these files works for you, so i can troubleshoot this! all the music is 100% live, guitar, gtrsynth, drums, kat-triggered synth, percussion, 3 digitech time machines, vortex, mirage, korg sdd2000 looper, etc etc. stereo real audio. and....we'll be at the knitting factory/alterknit july 30 thanks, loop away!! here's the link: http://www.monmouth.com/~andre/jfk.htm + my no frills site http://www.monmouth.com/~andre Info on my bands JFK's LSD UFO and HIDDEN AGENDA official PROJECT/OBJECT site http://www.jswd.net/projectobject [frank zappa tribute band i play guitar in] ---------- > From: Kim Flint > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: looping software? > Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 3:15 AM > > Here's another page full of links to mac audio software. Looks very > complete and up to date: > > http://shoko.calarts.edu/~tre/CompMusMac/ > > kim > > > >I've found the GREAT stuff for the MAC!! > >Go to > >www.music.princeton.ecu/psk/index.html > >It's the Princeton Sound Kitchen and they've got a bunch of cool music > >programs. > >I wish I had a Mac so i could use them. > >Jeff Collins > >collinsclan@sprintmail.com > > > > >>> From: murkie > >>> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 1:16 PM > >>> To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > >>> Subject: Re: looping software? > >>> > >>> i am really enjoying this list, but am depressed by how much of the > >>> cool > >>> stuff for computer audio looping being discussed is not mac > >>> compatible. is > >>> there mac stuff out > >>> there? > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > From ???@??? Sun May 24 12:53:42 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:53:41 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ydgpw-0003Qq-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:53:40 -0700 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 15:47:17 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Project Two Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 81 Resent-Message-ID: <"O0kV1D.A.Z6C.2lHa1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5709 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:53:40 -0700 X-UIDL: c7b87fc37ec6553325e446d78d084ba2 project two will be in pittsburgh june 1 at 7:30 let me know if you are going..................michael From ???@??? Sun May 24 15:08:03 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:46:07 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ydheg-000590-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 13:46:06 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <023501bd8531$e0011160$fcf1ffd0@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:23:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Feedback pedals... Resent-Message-ID: <"N9ArIB.A.1lE.gYIa1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5710 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:46:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 1512ca043ddce91b32ce2fc0d07b077a At 8:29 PM -0700 5/21/98, future perfect wrote: >Kim said.... > >>there's no way to set the feedback range in the echoplex, but its a simple >thing to >>do by using different types of potentiometers or putting resistors in >>series with the potentiometer. > >Forgive my lack of electronics knowledge, but there is a 100k pot in my A 100k pot will compress the useful range of the pedal into a smaller area, which will make it a bit harder to use. As soon as the wiper of the pot is anywhere past about 18k, you will be at the full feedback level. If you change the pot to 20k linear, you will find it to be much easier to control. >pedal...between what 2 lugs on the pot do I wire a resistor, and what value >should the resistor be to get it closer to the recommended 20k range? Putting a resistor in series with the pot would mean that the pedal would not sweep the resistance all the way from the minimum to the maximum. You basically stop it from going all the way on one side or the other. So either you couldn't go all the way to maximum feedback, or you couldn't set feedback all the way to zero. This would also mean that the pedal sweeps you through a more limited range of feedback values and might make it easier to control. This is similar to what Fred suggested of sticking a wad of tape under the pedal as a stopper. It's just doing it electronically instead of mechanically. If the resistor is between the "tip" of the jack and the wiper pin of the pot, you would not be able to get to max feedback. This is probably not what you want, but would give the pedal control over a more limited range of lower feedback values. If the resistor is between the ground of the jack and the end pin of the pot, you would not be able to get to minimum feedback. This would limit the pedal to controlling upper feedback values. The value of resistor would be up to you, as that would set the range. Probably any decent midi controller pedal could be programmed to do this same thing, no need for soldering irons. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun May 24 15:24:28 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 24 May 1998 15:19:05 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ydj6e-0007lH-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 15:19:04 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: Project Two Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 18:11:07 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd8760$d9a7b9a0$1708bfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"hOCJuB.A.1EH.CwJa1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5711 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 15:19:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 3633f0b75ddf3c125c2fc42830135556 i don't know about Pittsburgh, but I'm going to the show in Columbus, OHIO. Is anyone from the group going to this show too! Jeff Collins -----Original Message----- From: NEMOGUIT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, May 24, 1998 3:51 PM Subject: Project Two >project two will be in pittsburgh june 1 at 7:30 >let me know if you are going..................michael > > From ???@??? Mon May 25 01:15:21 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 24 May 1998 19:43:57 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ydnEy-0007LB-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 19:43:56 -0700 Message-ID: <3568A135.27D64FFF@total.net> Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 22:37:43 +0000 From: fkelly Reply-To: fkelly@total.net Organization: fkelly@total.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: remove from list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lyq19.A.1nG.MoNa1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5713 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 19:43:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 5a5a61e98de883acbeaa887f5b1fed0b I am overwhelmed with forwarded e-mail please remove me from your mailing list thank you From ???@??? Mon May 25 01:15:09 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 24 May 1998 16:36:14 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ydkJJ-00029p-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:36:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3568AFCA.1C52@voicenet.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 19:39:54 -0400 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping Software a Sucess!!! References: <01bd8760$d9a7b9a0$1708bfa8@0QHC6SIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DqxQYC.A.T0B.m4Ka1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5712 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 16:36:13 -0700 X-UIDL: ba31e70b26f4f523d2f3e3bb25ebc20c Thanks to all the wonderful suggestions for looping software I was able to dig up some inspiration to create some computer weirdness. The results (in a somewhat lofi manner) are in a real audio clip at: http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/ra.htm This is a short track I wrote (sculpted?) entirely in software which is something I've never done before. It was a blast and two thumbs up for Acid by Sonic foundry; a true looping joy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From ???@??? Mon May 25 10:38:16 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 25 May 1998 08:30:02 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ydzCL-0002r0-00; Mon, 25 May 1998 08:30:01 -0700 Message-ID: <35695565.5E82@pop.interport.net> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:26:29 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Project Two References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9K5e1B.A.lbC.D2Ya1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5718 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 08:30:01 -0700 X-UIDL: 0d977b693c6d13c70fbf6f391c6ac008 i saw projekt2 a couple of weeks ago in NYC. catch that show it is great. afterwards gunn and belew sign cds. great buy autographed double cd for $15. enjoy the show. From ???@??? Mon May 25 10:38:12 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 25 May 1998 05:50:37 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ydwi3-0005yY-00; Mon, 25 May 1998 05:50:35 -0700 Message-ID: <3569580D.CAE0DE0D@mcmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:37:49 +0100 From: Damian Abbott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Cubase-does it loop References: <35695A7B.FDD44A51@vete.ucl.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tAO6RD.A.IRF.9gWa1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5716 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 05:50:35 -0700 X-UIDL: f78444ec063d75d2dcdddf725cde4a0f It's easy to produce loops in Cakewalk, but you're right its much better to copy things over as many times as necessary (using ghost parts in Cubase). I just find Cakewalk such an ugly program to use; ugly in its interface, ugly to look at. Here's a question coming from a musician with a design background. Why is so much interface design so prosaic? Where's the Kai's power tools of music? Anyone need a hand to produce it? Olivier Malhomme wrote: > You can loop between to points in any sequencer. To me it is stupid. > Better record your phrase, and if you want to, copy it X times > afterwards. This way you can edit each part, imagine, use a filter, a > reverb, anything on any portion of the loop if you want to, change the > pitch,.... You can add other intruments (midi or audio) after wards, you > can arrange passing from any loop to any other loop. From ???@??? Mon May 25 10:38:06 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 25 May 1998 03:51:52 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ydur9-0003bf-00; Mon, 25 May 1998 03:51:51 -0700 Message-Id: <35695A7B.FDD44A51@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:48:12 +0100 From: Olivier Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: UniversitŽ catholique de Louvain, Belgium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Cubase-does it loop References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wHuJ-.A.kKD.CxUa1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5714 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 03:51:51 -0700 X-UIDL: b44f13d6058ade2205ca32bc913f3fe9 Well. It was a time where I had no looper of my own. I was then using my multi track recorder to make loop (a MG 14D). I was just playing everything like th elooper was in my head. The use of a midi/audio sequencer can have any looping abilities you want save one: real time (well almost, i recorded things with a midi delay with a synth guitar, but well, let us not complicate things). You can loop between to points in any sequencer. To me it is stupid. Better record your phrase, and if you want to, copy it X times afterwards. This way you can edit each part, imagine, use a filter, a reverb, anything on any portion of the loop if you want to, change the pitch,.... You can add other intruments (midi or audio) after wards, you can arrange passing from any loop to any other loop. You can get as many loops running (of any lenght/tempo/time signature/whatever) that the polyphony of your machines will allow (were they tracks on your hard-drive, or synth polyphony). I think it is even more interesting that "conventionnal looper" that are more -say- mmm stage-oriented. Which is good, don't get me wrong (I was happy to find, thanks to the list, a jamman). Anyway, of course, both methods can work hand in hand. Basically the looper should be -to me- in your head, and not in your toys. Hence, this kind of programs offer -again, IMHO- the largest possibilities, the most powerful versatility. Ouch, t'was a long bable. Hope it is of any help.. Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon May 25 10:38:09 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 25 May 1998 05:49:28 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ydwgx-0005rA-00; Mon, 25 May 1998 05:49:27 -0700 Message-Id: <3569763C.4C8A57DC@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:46:39 +0100 From: Olivier Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: UniversitŽ catholique de Louvain, Belgium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: upgrade References: <01BD870C.DF942FF0.mpeters@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dvin9B.A.MMF.WfWa1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5715 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 05:49:27 -0700 X-UIDL: fc1815af640e0cfde792e7bc19d172d4 Thanx, but as you will see in my last post to the list, Steinberg won't consider me a real registered user... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon May 25 10:38:14 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Mon, 25 May 1998 07:04:13 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ydxrI-0000FI-00; Mon, 25 May 1998 07:04:12 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980525135916.006fb09c@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 15:59:16 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Looping Software a Sucess!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"PVU1pC.A.qUH.2lXa1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5717 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 07:04:12 -0700 X-UIDL: b1007acf6dcb4023aee81c2bc494c2fe At 19.39 24/05/98 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks to all the wonderful suggestions for looping software I was able >to dig up some inspiration to create some computer weirdness. The >results (in a somewhat lofi manner) are in a real audio clip at: > >http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/ra.htm > >This is a short track I wrote (sculpted?) entirely in software which is >something I've never done before. It was a blast and two thumbs up for >Acid by Sonic foundry; a true looping joy. > nice idea! I've listened to your file and I liked. Go ahead. As soon as possible I'd like to put my songs (a duo project, me on Stick, Bass and programming and a singer) on the web to have some response. It's a record entirely home made where I wrote all the music. The songs are actually real songs (precise structure, vocal melodies, etc) but with a strong trip hop, new electronica and d&b sound. And some Stick looping through Jamman too. And all was made on software apps. I used a lot of progs together in a way I couldn't think possible. Computers can be really creative. ciao leo From ???@??? Tue May 26 09:55:56 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:03:36 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeKKF-0000Yd-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 07:03:35 -0700 Message-Id: <356AC8D9.6B55@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:51:21 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Tape Loops vs Echoplex References: <199805220105_MC2-3DD0-8F60@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zLvvgB.A.GSH.jisa1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5719 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:03:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 74ebe850790730b3af5fa328972f8601 Paul J. Dresher wrote: > > One other small complaint, I wish the input were > not so sensitive to overload, but they built a huge amount of gain into the > input stage in order to deal with all levels, from mics to hot signals. (I > put a peak limiter/compressor on my signal going to input in order not to > overload the unit in the excitment of performance or when experimenting > with wild new patches.) > Please forgive me if I'm breaking protocol by commenting on a sort of private posing, but your use of a peak limiter/compressor is very interesting. I have a lot of trouble with overloading the EDP input. All my instruments are acoustic and I use a Shure SM-57 with a TASCM 1024 board as a front-end to the EDP. The worst offender is my tambourine. It sounds fine through the PA but very distorted from the EDP unless I take extraordinary measures. What makes it particularly difficult is that the input level LED does not help much; according to it, the tambourine input level is fine when in fact, it's too hot. In order to get a good, clear signal, I have to play the tambourine entirely differently when I loop than otherwise. I've tried various limiter/compressors but none work to my satisfaction. For example, when adjusted to eliminate the tambourine distortion, the bass drum sounds TERRIBLE (no low end). What kind or limiter/compressor do you use? How have you adjusted it? How well does it work for you? - Dennis Leas From ???@??? Tue May 26 09:55:57 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:31:28 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeKlE-0001zT-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 07:31:28 -0700 X-From_:David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com Tue May 26 07:31:26 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for loopers-delight@slip.net id 0yeKlB-0001z6-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 07:31:25 -0700 Received: from [156.153.255.242] (helo=palrel1.hp.com) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com id 0yeKlD-0001cS-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 07:31:27 -0700 Received: from ctss97.sgp.hp.com (root@ctss97.sgp.hp.com [15.85.49.20]) by palrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id HAA02767 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 07:31:21 -0700 (PDT) From: David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by ctss97.sgp.hp.com with SMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0 Openmail) id WAA05760 for Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; Tue, 26 May 1998 22:31:16 +0800 (SGP) X-OpenMail-Hops: 3 Old-Date: Wed, 27 May 98 00:27:39 +1000 Message-Id: <"96118:1*"@MHS> Subject: Looping software for PCs? MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Lotus" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Lotus" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:31:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 6762e2c873cae6ed2e1bffdc59168b3c <<< No Message Collected >>> From ???@??? Tue May 26 09:56:13 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:48:38 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeLxu-0006DD-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 08:48:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:36:35 -0400 From: "Paul J. Dresher" Subject: Re:Compressor/Limiter on input of an EDP Sender: "Paul J. Dresher" To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199805261136_MC2-3E2E-3DBC@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"lERB7D.A.tOF._Jua1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5720 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:48:38 -0700 X-UIDL: a211c59bc9fd5ee15ca8d20cfee0c5e0 Dennis: Regarding your compressor/limitor question, I use a DBX-166, I'm not exactly sure of the settings however, I just gradually adjust the unit by ear so that I get as natural a sound from the EDP when compared to the "live" sound (which for me is usually electric guitar but also includes woodwinds, keyboards and voice, but I've never tried a tambourine). The key issue is to adjust the ratio of compression and the threshold of the peak limiter so that your signal can't go into distortion. However, tambourine may present particular problems due to its fast transience and spectrum. I'm not sure where this info is detailed, perhaps the FAQ area of the Web site but Kim makes clear somewhere that at least on the original units there was some sort of compression scheme which didn't work as well as expected, particularly in relationship to high frequency sounds, i.e the unit was much more prone to distort on these types of signals. I'm told this has been rectified in the machines now in production, or at least somehthing in the gain stage as been improved. I certainly have a problem like yours on my original old unit (hence the limiter). However, I just got a new unit which is being operated from the house mix position by my engineer and when I told him never to let the input get red, he said that he had often been in the red and heard no distortion. (Input was guitar and violin). So maybe they've addressedt this question. Paul Dresher From ???@??? Tue May 26 09:56:17 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:07:27 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yeMG5-0007dK-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:07:25 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeMG5-0002Oj-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:07:25 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeMG2-0007d0-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:07:22 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeMG3-0002Oh-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:07:23 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeMG0-0007cl-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:07:20 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeMG0-0002Of-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:07:20 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeMFy-0007cU-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:07:18 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD889C.EB7AA100@tor-usr20.075023.aracnet.net> From: Jon Grant To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Tape Loops vs Echoplex Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:52:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD889C.EB824220" Resent-Message-ID: <"GZ-R2D.A.ahG.2aua1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5721 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:07:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 79ec4fab40cc947589b7b38dbc963109 I have that same problem when looping with acoustic instruments as well (the EDP also being my biggest offender). On percussion I usually use my little Alesis 3630 Dual Compressor with Gate. It's old, but they still make them. There are lots of (probably better quality) multi-channel compressors now that are relatively inexpensive. I also was dissatisfied with the sound of the outgoing loops. After trying a number of different microphones on different instruments and realizing I couldn't afford all the expensive Sennheiser mics that I probably needed, I went downtown (Toronto) to the pawn shops and bought four used EQ units for around (Canadian) $25 each. By putting these in front of the compressor (in terms of signal path) I was able to get a sound that was much more desirable. The only drawback is that the Bass Drum mic/EQ/comp channel is configured for the Bass Drum only. I now use 6 mics when looping a drum kit, and I'm almost satisfied with the sound. I've never had great luck using a vocal mic on Bass or Kick drums, but maybe I just never found the right place to put them. Also, you may find an unmusical effect at times if you put the compressor after your mixer in the audio route, for obvious reasons. That's why I would suggest looking at the compressor units that have four channels in one rack space. Cheers, Jon Grant Tian Music www.aracnet.net/~tianmus Original Message: Please forgive me if I'm breaking protocol by commenting on a sort of private posing, but your use of a peak limiter/compressor is very interesting. I have a lot of trouble with overloading the EDP input. All my instruments are acoustic and I use a Shure SM-57 with a TASCM 1024 board as a front-end to the EDP. The worst offender is my tambourine. It sounds fine through the PA but very distorted from the EDP unless I take extraordinary measures. What makes it particularly difficult is that the input level LED does not help much; according to it, the tambourine input level is fine when in fact, it's too hot. In order to get a good, clear signal, I have to play the tambourine entirely differently when I loop than otherwise. I've tried various limiter/compressors but none work to my satisfaction. For example, when adjusted to eliminate the tambourine distortion, the bass drum sounds TERRIBLE (no low end). What kind or limiter/compressor do you use? How have you adjusted it? How well does it work for you? - Dennis Leas From ???@??? Tue May 26 10:33:24 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:09:29 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeNE8-0004Aw-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 10:09:28 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980526113336.00881b00@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:33:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: EDP HF distortion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dy4xIC.A.BOD.iVva1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5722 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:09:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 34ed6c5bff0737416aacb19118b118a3 If someone will send me the schematics to the EDP, I'll design a modification to eliminate the high frequency distortion. -Chuck Zwicky From ???@??? Tue May 26 11:21:39 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:08:00 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeO8l-0000cE-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 11:07:59 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeO8l-0003eq-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 11:07:59 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeO8j-0000bu-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 11:07:57 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199805261136_MC2-3E2E-3DBC@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:49:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re:Compressor/Limiter on input of an EDP Resent-Message-ID: <"kAe9rB.A.5OH.KMwa1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5723 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:07:57 -0700 X-UIDL: a6686424731118b809ae6a17594fa9aa At 8:36 AM -0700 5/26/98, Paul J. Dresher wrote: >I'm not sure where this info is detailed, perhaps the FAQ area of the Web >site but Kim makes clear somewhere that at least on the original units >there was some sort of compression scheme which didn't work as well as >expected, particularly in relationship to high frequency sounds, i.e the >unit was much more prone to distort on these types of signals. I'm told >this has been rectified in the machines now in production, or at least >somehthing in the gain stage as been improved. The web site explains the change in the gain section if you want to do it yourself. It's just two resistors, but it makes adjusting the gains much easier. If you are getting distortion with sounds that have lots of high frequencies, you need to turn the input down. Sounds with a lot of high frequencies tend to clip a little bit easier (tambourines and crash cymbals, especially), so it's best to set your levels using those sounds in the first place. When the level is set correctly, they do not distort. (I use percussion sounds all the time with no trouble.) On the older units, the LED tends to trick you on this, because it turns red too late. Trust your ears, not the LED. New units have the gain change included, so there's no need to do anything to those. They also have the LED circuit changed so that it turns orange and red at lower levels, which seems to help people get it right. (those people who only look at LED's, that is :-) > I certainly have a problem >like yours on my original old unit (hence the limiter). However, I just >got a new unit which is being operated from the house mix position by my >engineer and when I told him never to let the input get red, he said that >he had often been in the red and heard no distortion. (Input was guitar >and violin). So maybe they've addressedt this question. New units should be much easier to set correctly. Doing the mod from the website FAQ will make old units equivalent to that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue May 26 20:17:36 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:08:52 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeSpv-0004q0-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 16:08:51 -0700 Message-ID: <19980526230047.21394.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:00:47 -0700 (PDT) From: eric muhs Subject: Re: Tape Loops vs Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"GQLw1.A.j7D.un0a1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5724 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:08:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 4b591c8b6b7b171448d3a81dec07fa27 Paul, thanks for the very exact info. on the echoplex. I went last weekend to see/hear one at Gelb Music in Redwood City, & they told me they didn't carry them any more, as they had had severe reliability problems. They were recommending the BOOMERANG. I am not surprised to learn you use 3 to create a stereo field - this has always been one of the strongest features of the tape loop system. I hope you'll let me know if you're going to be working out on the Echoplexes in the Bay Area in the near future. All the best, eric muhs _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Tue May 26 20:17:38 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:56:48 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeTaI-0000X3-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 16:56:46 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980526234805.0067495c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:48:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Tape Loops vs Echoplex Cc: eric muhs Resent-Message-ID: <"9pXFeC.A.2G.9W1a1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5725 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:56:46 -0700 X-UIDL: f91fea2a5ea7cd12288a4b71292bdccd All of those reliability problems were fixed a long time ago. For some reason Oberheim hasn't made Gelb aware of this, or Gelb isn't interested in finding out. It's getting quite irritating for me, because I keep getting stuck answering a lot of questions from people who have been seriously misinformed by them. I used to think they were a good store, but I've begun to seriously question that. All these old reliability issues are explained on the echoplex FAQ at the Looper's Delight web site, BTW. kim At 04:00 PM 5/26/98 -0700, eric muhs wrote: >Paul, thanks for the very exact info. on the echoplex. I went last >weekend to see/hear one at Gelb Music in Redwood City, & they told me >they didn't carry them any more, as they had had severe reliability >problems. They were recommending the BOOMERANG. I am not surprised to >learn you use 3 to create a stereo field - this has always been one of >the strongest features of the tape loop system. > I hope you'll let me know if you're going to be working out on the >Echoplexes in the Bay Area in the near future. > >All the best, eric muhs > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From ???@??? Tue May 26 20:17:41 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:17:59 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeTuo-00021u-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 17:17:58 -0700 Message-ID: <19980527001335.21994.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [157.145.220.1] From: "Miguel Rodriguez" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Decent inexpensive reverbs? ... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:13:35 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"vTEBwD.A.NkB.Pr1a1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5726 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:17:58 -0700 X-UIDL: d7a57835ab47e3dc8b487374f556dff8 UNSUBSCRIBEUNSUBSCRIBEUNSUBSCRIBEUNSUBSCRIBEUNSUBSCRIBEUNSUBSCRIBE ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue May 26 20:17:42 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:32:48 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeU99-00032a-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 17:32:47 -0700 Message-ID: <356B5E17.CFEFB1F4@home.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:28:07 -0500 From: Tom Spaulding Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Tape Loops vs Echoplex References: <2.2.32.19980526234805.0067495c@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MAmDQB.A.PgC.-41a1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5727 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:32:48 -0700 X-UIDL: ac08a47914fae3b775dc907239485473 If Gelb is recommending the Boomerang over the EDP, I recommend Bananas at Large and Thoroughbred over Gelb. Tom "Oops, my latent brand loyalty is showing, even though I was sacked" Spaulding Kim Flint wrote: Gelb isn't interested in > finding out. It's getting quite irritating for me, because I keep getting > stuck answering a lot of questions from people who have been seriously > misinformed by them. I used to think they were a good store, but I've begun > to seriously question that. > > > kim > I went last > >weekend to see/hear one at Gelb Music in Redwood City, & they told me > >they didn't carry them any more, as they had had severe reliability > >problems. They were recommending the BOOMERANG. > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >DO YOU YAHOO!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Tue May 26 22:17:29 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:41:48 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeX63-0005Bq-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 20:41:47 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980527033416.009b54c4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:34:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Hi Tom Spaulding! Resent-Message-ID: <"i6wXvD.A.8jE.Hq4a1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5728 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:41:47 -0700 X-UIDL: c670ec151bb06731bf01b5b8900444a8 Tom "Intangible Integrity Intact" Spaulding, Good to hear from you; hope you're doing well. I'm still enjoying learning how to better use one of the EDPs you helped build. Right now trying to put the the next loop in conjunction with mute features to work live. The software on this thing is like the Eveready battery ad.... Take care..... At 07:28 PM 5/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >If Gelb is recommending the Boomerang over the EDP, I recommend Bananas >at Large and Thoroughbred over Gelb. > >Tom "Oops, my latent brand loyalty is showing, even though I was sacked" >Spaulding > >Kim Flint wrote: > Gelb isn't interested in >> finding out. It's getting quite irritating for me, because I keep getting >> stuck answering a lot of questions from people who have been seriously >> misinformed by them. I used to think they were a good store, but I've begun >> to seriously question that. >> > >> >> kim >> I went last >> >weekend to see/hear one at Gelb Music in Redwood City, & they told me >> >they didn't carry them any more, as they had had severe reliability >> >problems. They were recommending the BOOMERANG. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >_________________________________________________________ >> >DO YOU YAHOO!? >> >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> > >> > > > From ???@??? Wed May 27 00:00:24 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:26:23 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeYjG-0002nk-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 22:26:22 -0700 Message-ID: <356BA324.21EA9930@home.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:22:44 -0500 From: Tom Spaulding Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hi Tom Spaulding! References: <1.5.4.32.19980527033416.009b54c4@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BRgz1.A.kVC.-M6a1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5729 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:26:22 -0700 X-UIDL: b0312ee92e571252ecbd07f6e00d47a1 Thanks, Grover, it's good to be heard from. Glad to hear you are assaulting the innards of the tastiest looping device you could ever slap a tongue around - the venerable EDP. Of course, I never helped actually build one (well maybe I handed somebody a screw or something), I just devised crass marketing strategies, coined catchy slogans and placated petulant mobs of the Great Unlooped as best I could. The EDP software has depth and breadth of Dirk Digglerian proportions, indeed. Props to Matthias and Kim as always. I miss all y'all. Tom "Roget's Thesaurus - The Perfect Gift" Spaulding Grover Sheffield wrote: > > Tom "Intangible Integrity Intact" Spaulding, > Good to hear from you; hope you're doing well. I'm still enjoying > learning how to better use one of the EDPs you helped build. Right now > trying to put the the next loop in conjunction with mute features to work > live. The software on this thing is like the Eveready battery ad.... > Take care..... > > At 07:28 PM 5/26/98 -0500, you wrote: > >If Gelb is recommending the Boomerang over the EDP, I recommend Bananas > >at Large and Thoroughbred over Gelb. > > > >Tom "Oops, my latent brand loyalty is showing, even though I was sacked" > >Spaulding > > > >Kim Flint wrote: > > Gelb isn't interested in > >> finding out. It's getting quite irritating for me, because I keep getting > >> stuck answering a lot of questions from people who have been seriously > >> misinformed by them. I used to think they were a good store, but I've begun > >> to seriously question that. > >> > > > >> > >> kim > >> I went last > >> >weekend to see/hear one at Gelb Music in Redwood City, & they told me > >> >they didn't carry them any more, as they had had severe reliability > >> >problems. They were recommending the BOOMERANG. > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >_________________________________________________________ > >> >DO YOU YAHOO!? > >> >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > From ???@??? Wed May 27 10:06:17 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 27 May 1998 04:14:39 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeeAI-0007a2-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 04:14:38 -0700 From: "JF. Carter" Message-Id: <199805271106.MAA22186@zeus.bris.ac.uk> Subject: EDP MIDI footcontrol To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com (loopers delight) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:06:41 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"A5prwD.A.t2G.aR_a1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5730 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 04:14:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 0bea4e2c0e350dcd3f083ac1a581757a Sorry to be thick, but I ask the following questions in the hope that some MIDI literate person will hold my hand. At present I use a floor based FX processor + expression pedal and EDP foot controler. I find this combination needs at least two feet so I either play (guitar) seated or fall over a lot. I am now thinking of getting a rack mounted FX unit (any recommendations?) which inevitably means a midi floor control (thinking of the Rocktron midimate). Now the question: Can I set up a midi floor control to work in the same way as the EFC7? Now the really key question: How? I've read the manual but not being midiminded I can't make much sense of it. OK, I can't make any sense of it, so please help. Jim Carter From ???@??? Wed May 27 10:06:18 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 27 May 1998 04:22:57 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yeeIL-0000Ev-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 04:22:57 -0700 From: Message-ID: <5dfe46a3.356bf63d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 07:17:16 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Hi Tom Spaulding! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"hk68xD.A.IUH.tZ_a1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5731 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 04:22:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 9ef92a68b418174f18f675ed76a22ad8 In a message dated 5/27/98 12:25:31 AM, you wrote: >The EDP >software has depth and breadth of Dirk Digglerian proportions, indeed. It will cost you $10 to look at my EDP!!!! -Marshall "Boogie Loops" From ???@??? Wed May 27 10:06:40 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 27 May 1998 06:54:00 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yegeV-0005Ir-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 06:53:59 -0700 Message-ID: <356C198C.5FF6AD4@home.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:47:56 -0500 From: Tom Spaulding Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hi Tom Spaulding! References: <5dfe46a3.356bf63d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ywqg.A._oE.nmBb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5732 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 06:53:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 420515012ce18866180b918160caec6d I AM Brock Landers! Marzzz@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/27/98 12:25:31 AM, you wrote: > > >The EDP > >software has depth and breadth of Dirk Digglerian proportions, indeed. > > It will cost you $10 to look at my EDP!!!! > > -Marshall "Boogie Loops" From ???@??? Wed May 27 11:21:50 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:30:41 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yek2C-0002hW-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:30:40 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980527122107.00801650@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:21:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Mpls Loop performance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"u5LeoB.A.xtB.EtEb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5733 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:30:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 020d2dfa13c89c8ef71a3ad157492fc9 The event will take place on Saturday, May 30th at the Frederick R. Weisman Museum. Doors open at 7:30 and the show starts at 8 o'clock Central Standard Time.(ending arouund midnight CST) It will be broadcast in Real Video and Audio and their will be a chat room open. http://server.tt.net/ultramodern/future.html From ???@??? Wed May 27 11:21:52 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:36:02 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yek7M-0003K8-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:36:00 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199805271106.MAA22186@zeus.bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:22:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP MIDI footcontrol Resent-Message-ID: <"iJdqJ.A.dDC.pwEb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5734 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:36:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 78732106d585a5037b5abb1b5809ebdf Hi Jim- first go to the "echoplex footpedal tutorial" on the website, that should answer your questions. http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html If not, come back and ask again! kim At 4:06 AM -0700 5/27/98, JF. Carter wrote: >Sorry to be thick, but I ask the following questions in the hope >that some MIDI literate person will hold my hand. >At present I use a floor based FX processor + expression pedal >and EDP foot controler. I find this combination needs at least >two feet so I either play (guitar) seated or fall over a lot. >I am now thinking of getting a rack mounted FX unit (any recommendations?) >which inevitably means a midi floor control (thinking of the >Rocktron midimate). Now the question: >Can I set up a midi floor control to work in the same way as the EFC7? > >Now the really key question: How? > >I've read the manual but not being midiminded I can't make much >sense of it. OK, I can't make any sense of it, so please help. > >Jim Carter ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu May 28 00:56:39 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:43:55 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yerjV-00045G-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:43:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199805280136.VAA19739@mail.his.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:02:46 +0200 From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 5/23 Playlist: Pushing The Envelope-WHUS/Storrs, CT Resent-Message-ID: <"HaR66D.A.VCD.7-Lb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5737 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:43:53 -0700 X-UIDL: 8585d337aa4430e6b18be60552e5b7cf Hey Loopers, Knowing how many of us are recording our music and working to get it played, I wanted to send this in for a few reasons. First Joel used a cut from our new CD Primary Colors: BLUE, so on that note I have to toot FingerPaint's horn. Second he used our cassette a year and a half ago extensively, proving that he really does play cassettes( go for it andre...) So get in touch with him. And good luck. Patrick > From: joelkru@aol.com (JoelKru) > Newsgroups: rec.music.ambient > Subject: 5/23 Playlist: Pushing The Envelope-WHUS/Storrs, CT > Lines: 72 > Message-ID: <1998052402181100.WAA07154@ladder03.news.aol.com> > NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com > X-Admin: news@aol.com > Date: 24 May 1998 02:18:11 GMT > Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com > Path: news4.his.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > > 5/23/98 > > Greetings! > > Welcome to the 5/23 playlist for "Pushing The Envelope - Music Decidedly Left > of Center" which airs on 91.7 FM, WHUS, the radio station of the University of > Connecticut in Storrs. > > "Pushing The Envelope" returns in a new time slot, after a four month hiatus, > airing on Saturday afternoons from 3 to 5 PM. It continues it's mission of > presenting the best of avant-garde classical, rock, jazz, ambient, electronic, > along with a healthy dollop of new and classic progressive rock (i.e., King > Crimson, Boud Deun, Gentle Giant, etc.). > > As always, I'm constantly looking for new music to air. If you have something > that you'd like to share with our listeners (Yes, I DO play cassettes and > DATs!), please sent it along to: > > Joel Krutt / WHUS > Pushing The Envelope > University of Connecticut > Box U-8R > Storrs, CT 06269 > > e-mail: joelkru@aol.com > > Thanks for checking out the list! > 'Til next time, > Peace > Joel > > > 5/23/98 Playlist: Pushing The Envelope > > ~Opening Titles - David Arnold - Godzilla: The Album - Epic/Sony Music > Soundtrax (1998) > ~Eastern Man - Terry Riley - Songs For The Ten Voices Of The Two Prophets - > Kuckuck (1982) > ~Thatness & Thereness - Ryuichi Sakamoto - B-2 Unit - Alfa Records (1980) > ~Altar Piece - composer: Joseph Kasinskas / Relache: The Ensemble For > Contemporary Music featuring Barbara Noska - Here & Now - Castillo Records > (1983) > ~Gin & Tonic - DAAU - We Need New Animals - Sony Music (1998) > ~Instant Kitten - Matching Mole - Matching Mole - CBS (1972) > > -In Memoriam: Clara Rockmore- > ~Berceusce - composer: Igor Stravinsky / theremin: Clara Rockmore | piano: > Nadia Reisenberg - The Art Of The Theremin - Delos (1987) > ~Seranade Melancolique - composer: Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky / theremin: Clara > Rockmore | piano: Nadia Reiseberg - The Art Of The Theremin - Delos (1987) > > ~Measuring The Storm - Fingerpaint - Primary Colors: Blue - FNGP Records (1998) > ~The Wheel - Utopia - Anthology (1974-1985) - Rhino (1989) > > SWEDISH MUSIC DAY > > ~In A State Of Comprehension - Isildurs Bane - MIND, Vol. 1 - Svenska Unikum > (1997) > ~Norweigian Fragments - composer: Magnus Eldenius / Hardanger fiddle: Joar > Skorpen - Constellations: Electroacoustic Music From Sweden - Phono Suecia > (1996) > ~Nocturne - Rune Lindblad - Death Of The Moon - Pogus (1997) > ~Spirare Celorum - composer: Tommie Haglund / clavisino: Carl Axel Dominique - > Inti Inti - Carprice (1998) > ~Saxazione per 18 Saxofoni - composer: Miklos Maros / The South German > Saxophone Chamber Orchestra - Saxazione - Phono Suecia (1997) > ~Alias (part 1) - Ake Parmerud - Invisible Music - Phono Suecia (1994) > ~"If I May Trust The Flattering Truth Of Sleep" - composer: Peter Hansen / > vibraphones: Jerker Johansson & Lars Eliasson | Javanese gongs: Fredrik > Andersson - Trajectories - Slask (1996) -- Fingerpaint Web Site: www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP From ???@??? Thu May 28 00:56:31 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:15:23 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yerHZ-0007Pm-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:15:01 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yerHT-0004vI-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:14:55 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yerHB-0007Ls-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:14:37 -0700 From: Message-ID: <55fd44b8.356cb53c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:52:11 EDT To: Dan_Pavlick@ikonwpa.com, gls@mindspring.com, hovard@online.no, jparada@pop.interport.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, mnelson@dmans.com, proton@ultinet.net, pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu, qv@neato.org, RAKST19@pitt.edu, SoundBound@hotmail.com, TUtne@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: new e-mail address Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"yvP8_C.A.kGE.eXLb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5735 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:14:37 -0700 X-UIDL: d7d103b6ad0de923711bc299eac9650d i have a new e-mail address Nemoguitt@aol.com just in case you wanted to get in touch with me thanks...............michael From ???@??? Thu May 28 00:56:35 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:22:56 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yerP7-0000vx-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:22:49 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yerOt-0005K3-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:22:35 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yerOX-0000pK-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:22:13 -0700 From: Message-ID: <81982d40.356cb91f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:08:45 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: forgive me this is just a test Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"bYwBFC.A.qQG.qlLb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5736 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:22:13 -0700 X-UIDL: e8720c1559ab9c41e0ae16294ae00860 test From ???@??? Thu May 28 00:56:50 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:29:13 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yevFY-0002lG-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 22:29:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199805280524.BAA20260@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Mpls Loop performance Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:22:52 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Tza8_.A.ETC.VVPb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5738 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:29:12 -0700 X-UIDL: 56eaac497a5d967427f2aaa1f43d5168 > From: Chuck Zwicky > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Mpls Loop performance > Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 1:21 PM > > > The event will take place on Saturday, May 30th at the Frederick R. Weisman i'm sorry, what city/state is this??? andre' From ???@??? Thu May 28 00:56:53 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:23:34 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yew69-0005ci-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:23:33 -0700 Posted-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:19:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980528061931.006bb088@mail.visi.com> X-Sender: spat@mail.visi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:19:31 -0500 To: From: spat@visi.com Subject: Re: Mpls Loop performance Resent-Message-ID: <"c2dODB.A.W8E.NIQb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5739 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:23:33 -0700 X-UIDL: e8d1878ddfd601a660459af300e36cda >> The event will take place on Saturday, May 30th at the Frederick R. >Weisman > >i'm sorry, what city/state is this??? And who is it playing? In other Minneapolis loop news, Pamela Z is performing at the Walker art center at 10 p.m. friday, $4-8. The blurb in the Tribune sez: "The problem with so many producers and muscicans who play with loops is that they forget it's the space between sounds, and the kind of sounds being layered together, that make it work-- it shouldn't just be cool-sounding redundancy. Pamela Z knows how to work the loops, unleashing a chorus of chirping voices, triggering electronic samples or taking street sounds and pairing it with her bel canto operatic vocalizations to create expansive and innovative sound collages. Using the white noise of our everyday (talking ticket-taking booths) she weaves together dense, textured slices of sculpted sound that surprise and intrigue the listener. She performs with the Screaming Horns of Terror Funtime Orchestra." Steve in Mpls. From ???@??? Thu May 28 01:22:15 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:19:11 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yexu2-0001eH-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:19:10 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980528014522.008c7c30@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:45:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Mpls Loop performance In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980528061931.006bb088@mail.visi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-OidqD.A.5LB.FvRb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5740 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:19:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 9cd905417a24fa7ed7389b0da389317d Okay, The event is in MINNEAPOLIS. I will be performing, along with several other acts. There is a web site for the event: http://server.tt.net/ultramodern/future.html From ???@??? Thu May 28 10:16:12 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:37:58 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yf4kf-0002Bn-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:37:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01bd8a4c$7d796fe0$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: Subject: I could really use some hints Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:22:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"odcoKC.A.ZiB.4MYb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5741 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:37:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 3f029bea014aba55146368b855ecf008 Hi, I'm steve, and have recently got into the fantastic world of desktop music. I've recently purchased some sound samples from time and space (Creative essentials series), for the sole purpose of creating Hard House and Trance, which I thought would cure my thirst for original material, but I've hit another dilemma! As great as mixing samples is, I want to do something a little more creative. In trance music especially, loops have the overall "Texture" of the sound changing frequently. How the hell do you do this? I own a P166MMX with 64mb ram, and I'm running the standard Cubase that came with the AWE 64 Gold card I bought for the task of making music. Do I need to shell out yet more money to do these wonderments, or do I just need to get to know my equipment more intimately? Any help anyone can offer (even if it's just a Web Site URL) would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Steve Lauder From ???@??? Thu May 28 10:16:19 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:16:17 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yf5Lj-0004xL-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:16:15 -0700 Message-ID: <356D8AB8.8752CC8A@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:03:04 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I could really use some hints References: <000a01bd8a4c$7d796fe0$0d01a8c0@Remote> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aUVGzB.A.mFE.LxYb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5742 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:16:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 9113e12874c104b90ae02032c75ee0fa Steve Lauder wrote: > > As great as mixing samples is, I want to do something a little more > creative. In trance music especially, loops have the overall "Texture" of > the sound changing frequently. How the hell do you do this? > Steve whath you probably hear here is filter sweeps toi get an idea of what you could do with your sound card go to http://www.technotoys.com/ and download the techo toys bundle seq+arpegiator. there are some example songs dedicated to the awe which use filter tweaking enjoy and do not forget to support sharewares they deserve it Claude -- Please correct the reply address by deleting this "----" Veuillez corriger mon adresse pour me rŽpondre en effaant a "----" From ???@??? Fri May 29 00:58:38 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:23:08 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yf7KT-0006PY-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:23:05 -0700 From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Message-ID: <85256612.006332E8.01@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:24:21 -0400 Subject: Spin-17 East Coast tour Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"6SGbNB.A.ieF.eoab1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5743 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:23:05 -0700 X-UIDL: dcc92e41d8c6170f8e7b79d94d6f3d5b Hello all, it's that time of the year again when I put pedal to the metal and do the tour thing-ey again spreading harmony and disharmony in equal measure (well maybe more of the latter) across the land. If you're in the area, it'd be great to see you! We'll be selling CD's and tapes as well, to support our travels, and we're certainly open to trades! Here's the scoop- Spin-17 Ed Chang :Electronics, Guitar, Clarinet, Tape Wreckage Motoko Shimizu :Vocals, Turntable, Toys, Electronics, Bridge Guitar PerFormIng AdulT MuSic On ChilDren?S ToyS PerFormIng ChilDren?S MuSic On AdulT ToyS SPIN-17 Mini-Tour Dates (Spring) May 30 Philadelphia, PA, 8 pm Asian Arts Initiative with OUTPLACE (Sean O?Donnell/David Forlano) May 31 Baltimore, MD, 8:30 pm The Red Room at NORMAL?s w. Jason WILLETT/John DIERKER & Evan RAPPORT/Chuck BETTIS. June 1 Richmond, VA, 10 pm Hole In The Wall w. REPULSE MONKEY (feat members of PELT) June 2 Asheville, NC, 9:30 pm Vincent?s Ear w. SKINFLICK June 3 Atlanta, GA, 10 pm The Star Bar w. GOLD SPARKLE BAND/NUZION BIG BAND June 4 Chapel Hill, NC, 8 pm Two Way Pull Records/Dr Quang?s Gallery w. IVANOVITCH June 5 Chapel Hill, 12 noon Live Radio Performance on WXYC (buy more batteries) June 6 Philadelphia, PA, 10pm The Astrocade w. HEARING TRUMPET & KNURL June 7 Trenton, NJ, 7pm ArtWorks w. GIANTS OF JAZZ SPIN-17 is a duo project that mixes improvisation with experimental composition (with a little bit ?o punk thrown in for fun). Mix together the worst records from Salvation Army, the contents of a Toys ?R? Us electronics department, some down-home reed chawin? clarinet, the evil ghost of Betty Boop, and some Ante-diluvian anvil-guitar-plunking. Bake for 5 minutes and swallow quickly. Spin-17 have been performing in the New York area for the last year and have finally put out a full-length CD of pieces to be enjoyed by young and old alike. A highlight of this new release features their take on John Cage?s ?Aria? (with a newly-generated ?Plunderphonic? mix) as well as some good, fake ?Drum & Bass? needle scratching. They?re attitude is to pay their respects to experimental music while destroying it at the same time. Whether they succeed or fail, their Stockhausen impressions (the uber-composer?s voice, not music) are a hoot. From ???@??? Fri May 29 00:58:44 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:54:14 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yf7oa-0001FE-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:54:12 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yf7oa-0005Ey-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:54:12 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yf7oW-0001Eo-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:54:08 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: Spin-17 East Coast tour Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:43:22 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd8a68$7d7b33e0$041cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"jOu-t.A.At.SGbb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5744 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:54:08 -0700 X-UIDL: e2f54899578de857150ddcf89fcc884e I have yet to find out what the bridge guitar is and would still like to know what and how. Please get back to me Edward. Jeff Collins collinsclan@sprintmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com To: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 1998 2:20 PM Subject: Spin-17 East Coast tour Hello all, it's that time of the year again when I put pedal to the metal and do the tour thing-ey again spreading harmony and disharmony in equal measure (well maybe more of the latter) across the land. If you're in the area, it'd be great to see you! We'll be selling CD's and tapes as well, to support our travels, and we're certainly open to trades! Here's the scoop- Spin-17 Ed Chang :Electronics, Guitar, Clarinet, Tape Wreckage Motoko Shimizu :Vocals, Turntable, Toys, Electronics, Bridge Guitar PerFormIng AdulT MuSic On ChilDren?S ToyS PerFormIng ChilDren?S MuSic On AdulT ToyS SPIN-17 Mini-Tour Dates (Spring) May 30 Philadelphia, PA, 8 pm Asian Arts Initiative with OUTPLACE (Sean O?Donnell/David Forlano) May 31 Baltimore, MD, 8:30 pm The Red Room at NORMAL?s w. Jason WILLETT/John DIERKER & Evan RAPPORT/Chuck BETTIS. June 1 Richmond, VA, 10 pm Hole In The Wall w. REPULSE MONKEY (feat members of PELT) June 2 Asheville, NC, 9:30 pm Vincent?s Ear w. SKINFLICK June 3 Atlanta, GA, 10 pm The Star Bar w. GOLD SPARKLE BAND/NUZION BIG BAND June 4 Chapel Hill, NC, 8 pm Two Way Pull Records/Dr Quang?s Gallery w. IVANOVITCH June 5 Chapel Hill, 12 noon Live Radio Performance on WXYC (buy more batteries) June 6 Philadelphia, PA, 10pm The Astrocade w. HEARING TRUMPET & KNURL June 7 Trenton, NJ, 7pm ArtWorks w. GIANTS OF JAZZ SPIN-17 is a duo project that mixes improvisation with experimental composition (with a little bit ?o punk thrown in for fun). Mix together the worst records from Salvation Army, the contents of a Toys ?R? Us electronics department, some down-home reed chawin? clarinet, the evil ghost of Betty Boop, and some Ante-diluvian anvil-guitar-plunking. Bake for 5 minutes and swallow quickly. Spin-17 have been performing in the New York area for the last year and have finally put out a full-length CD of pieces to be enjoyed by young and old alike. A highlight of this new release features their take on John Cage?s ?Aria? (with a newly-generated ?Plunderphonic? mix) as well as some good, fake ?Drum & Bass? needle scratching. They?re attitude is to pay their respects to experimental music while destroying it at the same time. Whether they succeed or fail, their Stockhausen impressions (the uber-composer?s voice, not music) are a hoot. From ???@??? Fri May 29 00:59:10 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:49:43 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfH6q-0007en-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 21:49:40 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980528234737.006d5068@mail.txdirect.net> X-Sender: zom@mail.txdirect.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:47:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: zom Subject: Re: new e-mail address In-Reply-To: <55fd44b8.356cb53c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"prGpND.A.EzG.L1jb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5745 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:49:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 62994b7eaebb00c5c06a697ba36aa4e3 hey loopers, how many of you have new or recent releases? curious....anyone ever thought of maybe doing a compilation of tracks by list members? (I'm not talking about something where people **pay** to be on someone's cd. To me there's something a bit off putting about that. I'm on a couple of other lists where members have put together comps and distro'd em with fairly good success....) Click here-- http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/ From ???@??? Fri May 29 00:59:11 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:22:28 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfHcX-0001cy-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 22:22:25 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Reply-To: "COLLINSCLAN" From: "COLLINSCLAN" To: Subject: Re: new e-mail address Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 01:14:12 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd8ac0$9dbb65a0$c61bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"uykEWC.A.CPB.KVkb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5746 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:22:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 54efa3812180b3169c639fedfb916a4b >hey loopers, how many of you have new or recent releases? >curious....anyone ever thought of maybe doing a compilation of tracks by >list members? > >(I'm not talking about something where people **pay** to be on someone's >cd. To me there's something a bit off putting about that. I'm on a couple >of other lists where members have put together comps and distro'd em with >fairly good success....) > >Click here-- http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/ > I'd be interested in that but my music doesn't really have any looping. Just prepared guitars and noise. Jeff Collins collinsclan@sprintmail.com From ???@??? Fri May 29 00:59:14 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:44:09 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfIta-0005sm-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:44:06 -0700 From: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 02:39:14 EDT To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Whatever happened to the MutMax? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"FWNuBC.A.yDF.-glb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5748 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:44:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 59df75b32ac9dfdab88609b05da54a18 Hey all, Maybe this is old news, but I finally got some time to comb the LD archives and read a lot of *fascinating* threads about the Bob Sellon MutMax modifications for the old JamMan. My question is, does anyone know what has happened to this project? The proposed mods sound just fantastic, and I'd love to have them done to my JamPup. I didn't see Bob Sellons e-mail in the archives. Is he still on the list? Does anyone know how (or even if) I can get ahold of him? Anxiously anticipating, Drew Wheeler From ???@??? Fri May 29 00:59:13 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:41:20 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfIqr-0005YD-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:41:17 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfIqq-0003NN-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:41:16 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfIqn-0005Xq-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:41:13 -0700 Message-ID: <071d01bd8acc$9d180340$18f2ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: new e-mail address Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 02:40:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"DHwgcC.A.S0E.Selb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5747 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:41:13 -0700 X-UIDL: c36b128b44fc7b16d21f74211a4005be Since the subject came up :)......... I have just released my second CD, featuring a lot of 'Plex stuff, you can hear some stuff at: http://www.ethergate.com/users/belladonna/FutureP/cd2.htm my suggestion is for the song 'Echolocation', which is looped guitar synth stuff...I know there were (are?) Looper's Delight CDs planned, but maybe we can also do it on a smaller scale, maybe just a web page with links to songs in either MP3 or real audio. Im always interested what other people have come up with. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 >hey loopers, how many of you have new or recent releases? >curious....anyone ever thought of maybe doing a compilation of tracks by >list members? From ???@??? Fri May 29 00:59:16 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:43:31 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yfJp5-0000lk-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 00:43:31 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfJp2-0003ja-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 00:43:28 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfJp2-0000lV-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 00:43:28 -0700 Message-ID: <004801bd8ad4$f7309ce0$4b23dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: new e-mail address Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:39:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ApXNrB.A.uc.cZmb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5749 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:43:28 -0700 X-UIDL: dcf51808a3ad45a009999c85e90d4b6a I've no problem with the idea of putting something out as a collection of material from a list; I must say that most of the projects I've seen pop up, either here or on the Elephant Talk newsletter, have ended up not only wanting for funds, but in limbo, lacking for the time on anyone's part to finish the assemblage. If you think about it, though, who's going to pay for the disks or tapes to be made? I myself have been in-between contracts since early March, and am scraping along just enough to keep the power, phone, and gas on, and buy the occasional groceries. Not my favorite way to lose 10 pounds, but hey! A - R - T - I - S - T, right? And, in the meantime, I can write, contact as many possible employers as possible, and continue to compose, record, and do my web page. I suppose this is what they mean by the relative price of artistic freedom...! Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Fri May 29 01:36:57 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 29 May 1998 01:24:58 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfKT9-0002XP-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 01:24:55 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980528234737.006d5068@mail.txdirect.net> References: <55fd44b8.356cb53c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 01:20:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: cd projects Resent-Message-ID: <"_6MP0C.A.xIC.KAnb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5750 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 01:24:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 1bcec56738ce51b991332a2f2d36e53c Right now there are actually 3 different cd projects in progress by members of Looper's Delight! I believe the second LD volume is nearest to completion, and is actually a two cd set. Last I heard it was on its way back from mastering. Can't wait to hear it! The first cd is supposedly done, but we've been waiting a long time for that one, sadly. (anyone heard from Ray since the last report?) The 3rd project is revving up. If you guys want to start up project #4, by all means go for it! kim At 9:47 PM -0700 5/28/98, zom wrote: >hey loopers, how many of you have new or recent releases? >curious....anyone ever thought of maybe doing a compilation of tracks by >list members? > >(I'm not talking about something where people **pay** to be on someone's >cd. To me there's something a bit off putting about that. I'm on a couple >of other lists where members have put together comps and distro'd em with >fairly good success....) > >Click here-- http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/ ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri May 29 01:36:58 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 29 May 1998 01:28:30 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfKWb-0002ug-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 01:28:29 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 01:23:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Whatever happened to the MutMax? Resent-Message-ID: <"FUJ07C.A.VYC.WDnb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5751 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 01:28:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 281b5e6ad411984472961625f40b9fe0 At 11:39 PM -0700 5/28/98, wrote: >Hey all, > >Maybe this is old news, but I finally got some time to comb the LD archives >and read a lot of *fascinating* threads about the Bob Sellon MutMax >modifications for the old JamMan. My question is, does anyone know what has >happened to this project? The proposed mods sound just fantastic, and I'd love >to have them done to my JamPup. I didn't see Bob Sellons e-mail in the >archives. Is he still on the list? Does anyone know how (or even if) I can get >ahold of him? > I don't think he is currently on the list. his address is bsellon@lexicon.com. Last I heard he had some trouble getting Lex management to go along. It'd be nice to hear an update if anything's changed. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri May 29 07:48:51 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Fri, 29 May 1998 02:46:59 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yfLkZ-0006D0-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 02:46:59 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfLkX-0004S7-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 02:46:57 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfLkV-0006Ce-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 02:46:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000901bd8ae7$1191fae0$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Re: MutMax Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 05:49:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD8AC5.8A4E0040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y7B0FD.A.DkF.3Mob1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5752 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 02:46:55 -0700 X-UIDL: f7b34792340dd5de1cc1b5e73afc1787 Bob Sellon's project also has a website. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/8541/ Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Stec.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Stec.url" Attachment converted: shards o' data:Stec.url (????/----) (000011BD) From ???@??? Fri May 29 18:00:55 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:09:38 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yfQmo-00033o-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:09:38 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfQmp-0006S6-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:09:39 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfQmk-00033Y-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:09:34 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfQmm-0006S4-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:09:36 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfQmi-00033G-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:09:32 -0700 From: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:03:02 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: sampler info Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"CKFSaB.A.KcC.m5sb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5753 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:09:32 -0700 X-UIDL: c94d372a621246c5fb770ff26ce9b812 hello-saw this on harmony-central about a new sampler (possible looper)? NemeSys Gigasampler..........they have a blurb on it at Harmony-central.com or you can go to the source at www.nemesystech.com . thought it might be of interest to those of you into computer based works........have a good one..........michael From ???@??? Fri May 29 18:00:58 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:54:13 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yfRTv-00065E-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:54:11 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfRTx-0006to-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:54:13 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfRTq-00064V-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:54:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:47:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Pete Koniuto To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: edp memory question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"6RQIwB.A.yHF.Zitb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5754 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:54:06 -0700 X-UIDL: a6dbc9847f601febe1c6536a0b3a43bb I recently ordered an EDP from Bananas At Large--it should be arriving shortly. I was told it would be loaded with 4 MB. Does anyone know if that will be 4 1MB SIMMS or 1 4MB? Reason i'm asking is i want to go get the extra memory now so i can put it in right away before i rack the unit. Thanks, Pete From ???@??? Fri May 29 18:01:01 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:07:27 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfRgj-0007DH-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:07:25 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfRgk-00072A-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:07:26 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfRgd-0007Cc-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:07:19 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfRge-000721-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:07:20 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfRgX-0007C2-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:07:13 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfRgZ-00071s-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:07:15 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfRgR-0007BJ-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:07:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199805291555.IAA06860@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: edp memory question Date: Fri, 29 May 98 10:57:16 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"vfg--C.A.ONG.Vvtb1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5755 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:07:07 -0700 X-UIDL: fc8597cd902f8c17f8b802ac9939a27d > >Does anyone know if that will be 4 1MB SIMMS or 1 >4MB? I ordered one from them, and it came with 4 1MB simms. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri May 29 18:01:04 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:48:29 -0700 Received: from weasel.slip.net ([207.171.193.21] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfSKP-0002YP-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:48:25 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfSKP-0007V6-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:48:25 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfSKM-0002YA-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:48:22 -0700 X-Sender: stewb@stratos.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: stewb@stratos.net (Stew Benedict) Subject: Re: edp memory question Date: Fri, 29 May 98 12:37:19 EDT Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"LrO6iD.A.89B.wWub1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5756 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:48:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 9797cb5d4fccc41b341e9e8a171cc406 Mine came with 4 1MB simms - anyone got a use for these? I've got about 16 of em' now between the plex and my old '386, plus naother 20 here at work I just pulled from machines here after getting a great deal at www.onsale.com of 4MB simms for $6 each. Stew > >I recently ordered an EDP from Bananas At Large--it >should be arriving shortly. I was told it would be >loaded with 4 MB. > >Does anyone know if that will be 4 1MB SIMMS or 1 >4MB? > >Reason i'm asking is i want to go get the extra memory >now so i can put it in right away before i rack the >unit. > >Thanks, > >Pete > > > > > From ???@??? Fri May 29 18:01:06 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:06:12 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yfSbb-0003yv-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:06:11 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfSbb-0007gy-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:06:11 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfSbY-0003yc-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:06:08 -0700 Message-ID: <356EE97F.E57@vvm.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:59:43 -0500 From: Ciloc Gee Reply-To: ciloc@vvm.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sampler info References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"K0NWF.A.pPD.ymub1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5757 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:06:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 94328e7f47b119b85630554490cb8d7e Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > hello-saw this on harmony-central about a new sampler (possible looper)? > NemeSys Gigasampler..........they have a blurb on it at Harmony-central.com or > you can go to the source at www.nemesystech.com . thought it might be of > interest to those of you into computer based works........have a good > one..........michael Not really a looper but can be used for same. Giga sampler has been much anticipated. From ???@??? Fri May 29 18:01:39 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:28:11 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yfZVK-0003zG-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:28:10 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfZVL-0005jj-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:28:11 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfZVG-0003yr-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:28:06 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SKILLSET SOFTWARE From: "Barr Plexico" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <88256614.00021848.00@bailey.skillset.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:24:01 -0700 Subject: Re: edp memory question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"QQNHaB.A.rcD.xG1b1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5758 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:28:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 04b607c1c431d937dece48b2eab319a4 The one I received from them a month ago was with four 1 MB SIMMS, so you will need to get four 4 meg SIMMS if you want to max out the memory. Pete Koniuto on 05/29/98 08:47:25 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Barr Plexico/SkillSet Software) Subject: edp memory question I recently ordered an EDP from Bananas At Large--it should be arriving shortly. I was told it would be loaded with 4 MB. Does anyone know if that will be 4 1MB SIMMS or 1 4MB? Reason i'm asking is i want to go get the extra memory now so i can put it in right away before i rack the unit. Thanks, Pete From ???@??? Sat May 30 10:44:27 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 30 May 1998 00:35:46 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfgB7-0005I7-00; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:35:45 -0700 Message-ID: <356FB797.7E62@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 00:39:02 -0700 From: Michael Grodsky Reply-To: mgrodsky@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: edp memory question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Yut0iB.A.NxE.OY7b1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5759 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 00:35:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 5e6ffcc1a5e2bdd320822738e8796083 Pete Koniuto wrote: > > I recently ordered an EDP from Bananas At Large--it > should be arriving shortly. I was told it would be > loaded with 4 MB. Can you say how much you paid for it, and provide the contact info for bananas at large? The web site (bananasatlarge.com)doesn't seem to have product sales info. Thanks, msg From ???@??? Sat May 30 10:44:44 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@slip.net Delivery-date: Sat, 30 May 1998 09:34:31 -0700 Received: from falcon ([207.171.193.27] helo=falcon.slip.net) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@slip.net id 0yfoaU-000242-00; Sat, 30 May 1998 09:34:30 -0700 Received: from ferret ([207.171.193.6] helo=ferret.slip.net ident=mail) by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfoaV-0002Et-00; Sat, 30 May 1998 09:34:31 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfoaS-00023h-00; Sat, 30 May 1998 09:34:28 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD8BC7.22EAAE00@tor-usr10.074230.aracnet.net> From: Jon Grant To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: loopers' compilation website Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:10:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD8BC7.22EAAE00" Resent-Message-ID: <"UNZK3B.A.ooB.vQDc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5760 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 09:34:28 -0700 X-UIDL: ed0cf1d3ccfdb8b124d8a14e6f670aa5 I think that the idea of having a web page with .MP3 or .RA files (or links to them) is a fantastic one. I would be willing to hear ideas of how this could best be organized. If a good idea comes up I would be happy to act as a sponsor and put a loop link page on my website. I would suggest providing links to looper websites that have audio clips; for those loopers without websites, I could store their clips on my site for a cost of $1.00 (Canadian) per megabyte (which is what my provider charges me for disk space over the 10 Mb I get free). I would also be happy to convert cassette or CD recordings into RealAudio files (as long as hundreds of people didn't send things in at once). Lets hear some ideas. From ???@??? Sat May 30 17:04:46 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 30 May 1998 11:34:01 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfqS8-0006B2-00; Sat, 30 May 1998 11:34:00 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD8BC7.22EAAE00@tor-usr10.074230.aracnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 11:22:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loopers' compilation website Resent-Message-ID: <"88g6-.A.JjF.fBFc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5761 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 11:34:00 -0700 X-UIDL: fce0c3535614f9b90e2d2173549e0b52 The looper profiles page on the LD website already lets you put your website url in your profile, so people can click on it and go right there. Lots of people have that set up already. Chris will probably add a feature specifically for real audio or mp3 links in the profile, next time he updates the code. So then people could click directly on audio samples right off the profile. In the mean time you could always put the urls for audio files in the comment field. I'm sure some people would appreciate the offer of disk space though. It's beyond my resources to support that on the LD site. Much saner to provide links to people's own sites. kim > I think that the idea of having a web page with .MP3 or .RA files >(or links to them) is a fantastic one. I would be willing to hear ideas >of how this could best be organized. If a good idea comes up I would be >happy to act as a sponsor and put a loop link page on my website. I would >suggest providing links to looper websites that have audio clips; for >those loopers without websites, I could store their clips on my site for a >cost of $1.00 (Canadian) per megabyte (which is what my provider charges >me for disk space over the 10 Mb I get free). I would also be happy to >convert cassette or CD recordings into RealAudio files (as long as >hundreds of people didn't send things in at once). > Lets hear some ideas. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat May 30 17:04:51 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:08:40 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfqzf-0007Xm-00; Sat, 30 May 1998 12:08:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01bd8bfd$fc1eb6e0$8322dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: loopers' compilation website Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:05:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"LTmDa.A.C0G.6hFc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5762 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:08:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 7c9128a51f1fe80a4cdc79c631541386 I've been storing some files over on Xoom for free - they've got 10MB space available for each account, and their throughput is good enough to pass RealAudio in 28.8 Stereo. See http://members.xoom.com/earthlight to see examples therein. :) Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week, Phil Hartman)! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Sat May 30 17:04:58 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:31:45 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yftE8-00049x-00; Sat, 30 May 1998 14:31:44 -0700 Message-ID: <35707A05.A0B9CCCC@mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 17:28:37 -0400 From: Jason Secord X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I could really use some hints References: <000a01bd8a4c$7d796fe0$0d01a8c0@Remote> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_9TK4B.A.SrD.tnHc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5763 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:31:44 -0700 X-UIDL: df65858cd151304afee67904b2ab17a2 its phase shifting phase cancellation... streoization not so much what your equipment does and more what the sound produced by your equipment does on its own you can mimmick what naturally occurs in looping by phase shifting one channell(left or right.) by someting like 5ms (or pick yer favorite number) and then playing it back... all your original pitches will change just a little bit, all dependant upon the frequencies that comprise your soundwave... house N. techno is good 4 you loopaway Steve Lauder wrote: > > Hi, I'm steve, and have recently got into the fantastic world of desktop > music. > > I've recently purchased some sound samples from time and space (Creative > essentials series), for the sole purpose of creating Hard House and Trance, > which I thought would cure my thirst for original material, but I've hit > another dilemma! > > As great as mixing samples is, I want to do something a little more > creative. In trance music especially, loops have the overall "Texture" of > the sound changing frequently. How the hell do you do this? > > I own a P166MMX with 64mb ram, and I'm running the standard Cubase that came > with the AWE 64 Gold card I bought for the task of making music. Do I need > to shell out yet more money to do these wonderments, or do I just need to > get to know my equipment more intimately? > > Any help anyone can offer (even if it's just a Web Site URL) would be > greatly appreciated. > > Cheers > Steve Lauder From ???@??? Sat May 30 17:05:02 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:46:13 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yftS7-0004ul-00; Sat, 30 May 1998 14:46:11 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980530164408.007c3e70@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:44:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: TONIGHT! Live Web Broadcast of my loop show Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Rmc-bB.A.3XE.t1Hc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5764 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:46:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 806cd3c2d2e9212e1e6beb3503be3ac5 The show that I will be playing in tonight (saturday may 30th) is going to be broadcast live on the net. The show starts at 8pm CST and runs till midnight. http://server.tt.net/ultramodern/future.html is the link to the audio and video. Thanks, -Chuck Zwicky PS: Here is a recap of what I'll be using: In my solo loop performances I use a 1984 Steinberger GL-2 guitar (with a fixed bridge!). I tune the guitar in straight 5ths: A E B F# C# G#. This gives me nearly a five octave range from the open A to the G# at the 24th fret. I've also modified the electonics in the guitar, replacing the EMG pickups with passive, and adding the ability to select the individual coils within each pickup (all without drilling a single hole). The guitar's signal goes into an Ensoniq DP/4+, which is an amazing resource of tonal oddity. I worked with Ensoniq as a consultant to develop the DP/4+, and spent about 6 months working with Jon Dattorro on the new distortion algorhythms which became "Guitar Amp 4" and "Digital Tube Amp". These simulations have tremendous touch response and are modeled after my favorite class A tube amp. (the AC30) I split the DP/4+ into two 2-unit processors. The signal flow is from the guitar to DSP A, in series with DSP B, the output of which goes to my Lexicon Jam-man. The output of the Jam-man goes into the DP/4+ DSP C and D, usually in series but often in a feedback configuration. The first 2 DSPs in the DP4/+ are used for my pre-loop processing, and I've created presets using amps, 'TC-Sustainor" emulations, ring-modulation, filters, octave-fuzzes, modulation delays, harmonizers, a guitar tuner, etc. These sounds are captured in the Jam-Man. The last 2 DSPs in the DP/4+ Are post loop processing, and are usually the overall ambience of the performance, often employing 3D imaging tricks. The pre and post processing are independantly selected by my Rolls "Midi Wizard" using mapped program changes. It also controls the Jam-Man. I use a CV pedal to modulate the DP/4+. The Rolls is phantom powered through the MIDI cable. The entire setup is mounted in a 4-space SKB rack with a 1-space connector panel for the MIDI, CV, and audio interfacing. Since the connections are all on the front, I leave the rear lid on the SKB and set it face-up on the stage, which allows me to clearly see the displays. Setup and soundcheck take less than five minutes, and I can usually carry-on my entire rig, including the Steinberger, when flying as they will fit in an overhead compartment. -Chuck Zwicky From ???@??? Sun May 31 00:12:38 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sat, 30 May 1998 18:34:46 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yfx1J-0004fg-00; Sat, 30 May 1998 18:34:45 -0700 Message-ID: <003b01bd8c33$b1844ba0$6722dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Loop Of The Week #112: Dedicated to Phil Hartman Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 18:30:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ELYgnB.A.YJE.HLLc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5765 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 18:34:45 -0700 X-UIDL: a4a7d4f73dd7f1eed1a9a28b385303dc Greetings folks, Sad when we have to have things like this happen, in order to come together - But, having decided over Memorial Day weekend that my Loop Of The Week would be dedicated from here on out, I never thought I'd be thinking about someone's passing so soon afterward. This Saturday, The Loop Of The Week will be dedicated to a fine comedian, artist, actor, and conveyor of a myriad of characters, Phil Hartman. It's now available for your downloading, and hopefully, enjoyment, enough to perhaps give you a smile, if not a few chuckles. (In case you have gotten them before, this one's going to be a bit less "ambient" than usual, depending on your definition of the word). It's also specially-extended for your entertainment. So do drop in before next Saturday - get the Loop Of The Week - and let me know what you think. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week for Phil Hartman)! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Sun May 31 11:56:12 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 31 May 1998 09:38:12 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygB7b-0001tj-00; Sun, 31 May 1998 09:38:11 -0700 Message-ID: <35711454.6BFB@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 09:27:11 +0100 From: Anton Chovit Reply-To: antonc@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Cubase References: <2.2.32.19980521115752.006cc52c@mail.dada.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ApTRCC.A.whB.VaYc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5767 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 09:38:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 50abf304e0689ff6cd2017e86ee2c745 Leonardo Cavallo wrote: > > At 12.39 20/05/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi all. Sorry if this is a little off topic, but do any of you have Cubase > >VST, and what do you think about it? I'm considering buying it, but I > >would like to have some opinions regarding it's user-friendliness first. > > > >Thanks, Cam > > > I use Cubase VST on the Mac. I have 3 echoplexs. I get a drum machine (Roland PMA-5 or a R8M) or use cubase to get drums going w/MIDI, and sync the plex to MIDI. I grap three loops in the plexs and then dump them onto DA s/ cubase. This is quick and easy. I have my mixers set up so I can patch the plexs right into the DA. Once the loops are in DA, I go back and make more loops on the plexs and dump them back to DA. Everything stays in sync nicely. I find that the DA sounds AT LEAST as gook as the original (especially if monitored through the same amp/speakers as the original. I also have a vortex that I can patch the plex through on the way to the DA. A really interesting effect is to duymp loops from the plex to DA, then hit invert on one or more of the plex and then dump that into DA, and mix in with the forward versions. Cubase has really simplified my setup in that it is so seemless; >From plex to DA. In jsut a few minutes I can get up to 12 looped tracks (4 stereo tracks, each w/ three plexs) into the DA. I really like the plugins. Check out Dave's free plugins (see Steinburg web site), the N-pole filter is awsome. I bought the Dance pak (Cubase, REBirth, and Recycle) from guitar center on sale for $399. Rebirth is a computer based TR808,909 simulater that kicks butt. REcycle is a sample slicer that takes (mainly drums) samples and slices them so they can play at any tempo (slower than the original). The cubase interface is really simple. I have a G#/266. I'm not sure how it would work on something slower, but it is great on my computer. From ???@??? Sun May 31 11:56:05 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:28:26 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygA25-0007as-00; Sun, 31 May 1998 08:28:25 -0700 From: Message-ID: <5cfc6d3.35717585@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 11:21:39 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, stickwire-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: what's goin' on in june? Content-type: text/plain X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"mx08jD.A.O5G.bYXc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5766 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:28:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 8a963954f649fc3a7586580bf3c9fba6 "Explorations in Time/Space" - Soundscapes and Improvisations Paul Mimlitsch (Chapman Stick¨/Loops) J. Janetta ("Texturely" percussion/treated voice) -Thurs. June 4th 8:00pm-close "Cafe Seattle" 140 Haddon Ave. Haddonfield N.J. (609)354-2220 -Sat. June 13th. 7:00pm-close "Garden of Eden Resaturant" Rt.73/Ramblewood Pkwy. Mt. Laurel N.J. (609)778-1971 -Thurs. June 18th 8:00pm-Opening set at "Three Hour Detour"'s CD (http://mars.superlink.net/~rayash/3htcd.htm) release party at "Down to Earth Coffeehouse" High St. Mt. Holly N.J. (609)265-9135 -June 6,12,20,26,27,28 - as part of the exploratory jazz trio "Adelante", info to be had at: <> Note: Also performing at the Adelante club "Shamballah" gig will be Stick¨ player Ray Ashley whos' set will consist of original solo pieces for Stick (and also an mbira piece or two). From ???@??? Sun May 31 11:56:19 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 31 May 1998 11:36:16 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygCxr-0005pD-00; Sun, 31 May 1998 11:36:15 -0700 Message-ID: <3571A20E.4B99@vvm.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 13:31:42 -0500 From: Ciloc Gee Reply-To: ciloc@vvm.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: SF Acid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7t8NyB.A.fLF.kIac1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5768 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 11:36:15 -0700 X-UIDL: ba8edc617183497892bad006911bd7c0 How many of you have tried or plan to try Acid? It's THE loop-based sequencer. I just can't believe how easy it is to use. From ???@??? Sun May 31 12:38:53 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 31 May 1998 12:37:32 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygDv9-00007U-00; Sun, 31 May 1998 12:37:31 -0700 X-Sender: rswitzer@pricilla.tricountyi.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 15:35:14 -0400 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Switzer Subject: Re:SF Acid Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980531153057.014f242e.in@tricountyi.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"wlhde.A.9MH.YCbc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5769 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 12:37:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 0789598bee1ac672636e7b19deb3b05c I've had ACID for about a week -- it's great for tempo and key-matching loops, though I've had some problem synchronizing it with other devices and programs -- it sends MIDI time code, but doesn't (can't??) issue a MIDI start command to kick off the following device(s) automatically. Technically, it's also supposed to chase MTC, but it doesn't do this well at all -- in fact, I haven't been able to get it to work. If anyone has any workarounds/insights on the sync issue, let me know. Overall, a great concept, and a good buy for it's specific strengths. -- Rob From ???@??? Sun May 31 14:11:24 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 31 May 1998 14:05:49 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygFIa-0003Dy-00; Sun, 31 May 1998 14:05:48 -0700 Message-ID: <3571C52E.665E@vvm.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 16:01:34 -0500 From: Ciloc Gee Reply-To: ciloc@vvm.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SF Acid References: <19980531153057.014f242e.in@tricountyi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dJvXqD.A.ByC.BVcc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5771 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 14:05:48 -0700 X-UIDL: 59ac4816ccd3caf10b31f8aca6f0feb9 Yeah. Acid does seem to lack in the midi side of it all but I'd bet that Sonic Foundry will be fixing that in an update or upgrade. Ciloc From ???@??? Sun May 31 23:35:10 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:10:13 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygNnN-0001J7-00; Sun, 31 May 1998 23:10:09 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601010651.0069d6f4@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 01:06:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: edp memory question In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970601112128.00671640@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gUYFaC.A.g7.5Rkc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5772 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:10:09 -0700 X-UIDL: a504c908dd972815bc0f1a6e0ae06ae4 At 04:21 AM 01-06-97 -0700, you wrote: >for the love of god p[lease take me off this damn list Kim, it sounds like you should have a separate section for list removal on the LD index page. (: Anthony, you have to go to Looper's Delight's site and remove yourself by finding out how, it's not done for you. From ???@??? Thu May 07 00:43:20 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:34:58 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0yX91s-0007Xo-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:34:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199805061827.UAA17689@mb05.swip.net> From: "Mattias Ribbing" To: Subject: Gone Bananas? Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 20:20:40 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"00C5eC.A.ncG.quKU1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5473 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:34:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 9a5f9d9cf0670390e140d4b2480c5236 Hello, Does anyone here know what is going on at Bananas At Large? I was in contact with Rick Elswit (via his private email) a while ago. And then I told him I wanted to order the 'plex and since then he hasn't answered me (though he said earlier that they would be willing to ship me one). I also tried bananas@bananas.com but I get no response. Is it just me they are ignoring or? Does anyone know any other stores in the US who would be willing to ship an Echoplex to Europe? Addresses? Thanks, Mattias "Getting desperate for that 'plex" Ribbing (Sweden)