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Boomerang samples at 8 and 16K.  Its
hardware is supposed to be capable
of sampling at 44k, but there seems
to be a software inadequacy.  It's
an incredibly intuitive product, and
the guys who make it are gaining a
great rep. for  friendly service.
There was supposed to be a new
software chip, but it's been in the
works for a while now.  I recommend
it if your not too worried about
great sample clarity.

Go for it,
Bill Moyer



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>Boomerang samples at 8 and 16K.  Its
>hardware is supposed to be capable
>of sampling at 44k, but there seems
>to be a software inadequacy.  It's
>an incredibly intuitive product, and
>the guys who make it are gaining a
>great rep. for  friendly service.
>There was supposed to be a new
>software chip, but it's been in the
>works for a while now.  I recommend
>it if your not too worried about
>great sample clarity.

 Thanks- just out of curiousity, would anyone happen to know what the
sampling rate of a BOSS delay pedal is...? I haven't tried a Boomerang, and
I'd like to get some kind of an idea of its sound quality by comparison to a
BOSS pedal, or some other similar basic delay pedal. 



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the Boss DD-5 digital delay

A\D conversion.....16 bit linear, 64x oversampling
D\A conversion.....16 bit linear
sampling frequency.....32khz

Daniel




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ed, et al:
oops, sorry: lost the thread.
so what's the date of this performance @ rio?
best,
dt


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I just received the following from ebow.com. The news of a new device is 
known to many here, but I thought word on the expected shipping date might 
be of interest.

David
<http://subnet.virtual-pc.com/~or387751>


>The new eboe (the PlusEBow) has a harmonic position that is very cool. 
>Difficult to describe so be sure to check one out when you can. They should 
>be in stores in the next 3 weeks or so.
     


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Hi dt
The show is tonight (Friday May 1st) at 9PM.  Here's the "info packet"
again for more ...

BTW, I just talked with Donald M and unfortunately Drumm can't make it
because of transportation problems.  Oh well, but the duo between Donald
and Taku should reveal its own certain "beauties".


Dear Friends and Fellow Fans of Experimental Music
Just a moment of your time to let you know..

T H I S    F R I D A Y   , M A Y   1 st (T O M O R R O W) * * * * *
9PM at ABC No Rio  (156 Rivington St, (212) 254- 3697 )
S P I N - 1 7      RECORD RELEASE PARTY!
(formerly NC-17)
with guests Donald Miller/Kevin Drumm/Taku Sugimoto (3 Guys with Guitars)

We've finally finished our new CD and we're going to have a
party/performance.
Music, food and refreshments will be provided!
Donald Miller will be bringing in 2 guitarists from Chicago and Tokyo to
help us celebrate!
Here's the details:

Spin-17 is:
Ed Chang on :       Electronics / Alto sax / Guitar / Turntable
Motoko Shimizu on : Voice / Turntable / Toys / Bridge-Guitar

We'll be performing a couple of our most popular "pieces" from the past
including John Cage's "Aria" w. Compos'T and "The Noise Song", as well as a
plethora of new pieces, charting territories barely chartable.  Electronics
and Acoustics clash and congeal in seas of  improvisational bliss.
Infinite soundscapes, skreech and skronk, an ode to exercise, it's all new!
Also, the premiere of the Bridge-Guitar, a new invention with old tools!
No one knows exactly how to play it, so I guess we're as qualified as the
next guy.  In any case, fun will be had by all!

Joining us for this night of electro-alcoholic debauchery will be Donald
Miller's "3 Guys With Guitars"
Donald Miller  (from Borbetomagus, William Hooker, Lhasa Cement
Plant,etc...)
     There's no one quite like him, a guitar aesthetic unique to his own
visions.
Kevin Drumm    (from Chicago, solo CD recently released)
     All I know is eveybody's talking about this guy as the newest, hottest
prepared guitar slinger to hit the scene.  Totally original.  Jim O'Rourke
stopped playing guitar for 2 years because of this guy.
Taku Sugimoto  (from Tokyo, Japan)
     This guy's got a new CD on Hat Art and plays cello as well.
Outstanding.

These 3 master improvisors will be meeting for the first time for this
show.  No one knows what's going to happen.  We're totally excited by this
performance!  Please join us for this celebration of creative new music!


T H I S   F R I D A Y   , M A Y   1 st            (T O M O R R O W)
9PM sharp at ABC No Rio  (156 Rivington St,
between Clinton and Suffolk, 2 blocks south of Houston
(212) 254- 3697 )
$5 for the whole shebang






Texture444 <Texture444@aol.com> on 05/01/98 09:30:35 AM

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ed, et al:
oops, sorry: lost the thread.
so what's the date of this performance @ rio?
best,
dt









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Edward,
Do you know how I can get ahold of Motoko Shimizu so i can find out more
about this "Bridge Guitar". It sounds interesting. I sure hope that if and
when you tape this concert, that instrument is clearly defined in the sound
field. I've done plenty of prepared guitar stuff and would like to see if we
can help each other brighten our horizons.
Jeff Collins
collinsclan@sprintmail.com

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>Hi dt
>The show is tonight (Friday May 1st) at 9PM.  Here's the "info packet"
>again for more ...
>
>BTW, I just talked with Donald M and unfortunately Drumm can't make it
>because of transportation problems.  Oh well, but the duo between Donald
>and Taku should reveal its own certain "beauties".
>
>
>Dear Friends and Fellow Fans of Experimental Music
>Just a moment of your time to let you know..
>
>T H I S    F R I D A Y   , M A Y   1 st (T O M O R R O W) * * * * *
>9PM at ABC No Rio  (156 Rivington St, (212) 254- 3697 )
>S P I N - 1 7      RECORD RELEASE PARTY!
>(formerly NC-17)
>with guests Donald Miller/Kevin Drumm/Taku Sugimoto (3 Guys with Guitars)
>
>We've finally finished our new CD and we're going to have a
>party/performance.
>Music, food and refreshments will be provided!
>Donald Miller will be bringing in 2 guitarists from Chicago and Tokyo to
>help us celebrate!
>Here's the details:
>
>Spin-17 is:
>Ed Chang on :       Electronics / Alto sax / Guitar / Turntable
>Motoko Shimizu on : Voice / Turntable / Toys / Bridge-Guitar
>
>We'll be performing a couple of our most popular "pieces" from the past
>including John Cage's "Aria" w. Compos'T and "The Noise Song", as well as a
>plethora of new pieces, charting territories barely chartable.  Electronics
>and Acoustics clash and congeal in seas of  improvisational bliss.
>Infinite soundscapes, skreech and skronk, an ode to exercise, it's all new!
>Also, the premiere of the Bridge-Guitar, a new invention with old tools!
>No one knows exactly how to play it, so I guess we're as qualified as the
>next guy.  In any case, fun will be had by all!
>
>Joining us for this night of electro-alcoholic debauchery will be Donald
>Miller's "3 Guys With Guitars"
>Donald Miller  (from Borbetomagus, William Hooker, Lhasa Cement
>Plant,etc...)
>     There's no one quite like him, a guitar aesthetic unique to his own
>visions.
>Kevin Drumm    (from Chicago, solo CD recently released)
>     All I know is eveybody's talking about this guy as the newest, hottest
>prepared guitar slinger to hit the scene.  Totally original.  Jim O'Rourke
>stopped playing guitar for 2 years because of this guy.
>Taku Sugimoto  (from Tokyo, Japan)
>     This guy's got a new CD on Hat Art and plays cello as well.
>Outstanding.
>
>These 3 master improvisors will be meeting for the first time for this
>show.  No one knows what's going to happen.  We're totally excited by this
>performance!  Please join us for this celebration of creative new music!
>
>
>T H I S   F R I D A Y   , M A Y   1 st            (T O M O R R O W)
>9PM sharp at ABC No Rio  (156 Rivington St,
>between Clinton and Suffolk, 2 blocks south of Houston
>(212) 254- 3697 )
>$5 for the whole shebang
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Texture444 <Texture444@aol.com> on 05/01/98 09:30:35 AM
>
>Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>
>To:   Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>cc:    (bcc: Edward Chang/AMS/AMSINC)
>Subject:  Re:  Re: Spin-17
>
>
>
>
>ed, et al:
>oops, sorry: lost the thread.
>so what's the date of this performance @ rio?
>best,
>dt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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>the Boss DD-5 digital delay
>A\D conversion.....16 bit linear, 64x oversampling
>D\A conversion.....16 bit linear
>sampling frequency.....32khz
>Daniel

Which is roughly the same as the JamMan...

-Miko




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At 01:40 PM 5/1/98 -0700, Mike Biffle wrote:
>>the Boss DD-5 digital delay
>>A\D conversion.....16 bit linear, 64x oversampling
>>D\A conversion.....16 bit linear
>>sampling frequency.....32khz
>>Daniel
>
>Which is roughly the same as the JamMan...
>

...except for the oversampling part. I think jamman actually has discrete
A/D and D/A, which is sort of amazing. Which reminds me: some time back,
Greg Hogan sent me service manuals for both the JamMan and Vortex so that
they can be included on the Looper's Delight pages. I haven't had time to
scan them or do anything about it. Do any of you jamman/vortex users have a
decent scanner and feel motivated about doing this? The manuals include
schematics, explanations of the onboard hardware tests, bringup and repair
guides, etc., and would probably be a nice thing to have out in the public
domain. Volunteers?

kim
________________________________________________________
Kim Flint		       408-752-9284
Mpact System Engineering       kflint@chromatic.com
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I could scan those manuals - how many pages approximately?
I could index them up like I did with the vortex manual into a table.

Stew Benedict



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I'll be playing at club "Shamballah" (Vineland, N.J. (609)696-5505) as part of
the improv. trio "Adelante" this Sat. May 2nd.  Also performing will be
percussionist/musician Mogauwane Mahloele.  There will be two sets (one cover
charge-$5), at 8:00pm and 10:00 with Mogauwane opening both.  "Adelante" info
can be found at <<http://www.newcommunity.net/adelante/adelante.html>>.
Thanks- Paul


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> In a message dated 98-04-30 16:55:40 EDT, you write:
> 
> << Is there someone here named Ken Rosser?
> 
> Yo....
>  
> > I'm just curious because there's a guitarist by that name scheduled
> > to play with the Tom Heasley Trio at Spruce Street Forum (a new music
>  >club dedicated to improvised music) in San Diego.
> 
> Yes, that's me again....

Thought that name looked familiar when Lou's Records 
(http://www.lousrecords.com) posted that gig as part of the Spruce
Street Forum ad.

Already missed Stuart Liebig's appearance there. :(  

Anyway I look forward to seeing you at Spruce Street Forum.  Looks like
it's becoming a good place for loopers to play in San Diego. :)

Cheers,
Paolo


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Adam Tuckerman wrote:
> 
>     I have the opportunity to buy a used 1 minute Boomerang for $150.
> It doesn't have the manual or a power supply.  Should i go for it?
> 
> Thank you very much,
> 
> Adam Tuckerman

Hi Adam,
  You can power it with a 9VAC (note AC), 500mA adapter. There is an
Alesis adapter that is compatible. There is no substitute for powering
it up and trying it out. Also, I would take it apart and inspect the
insides. Does it smell burned? Has some liquid (beer) been spilled into
the unit?
  If it looks solid but doesn't work, it may still be worth buying. The
Rang is fairly straight forward and typically very easy to fix. I
imagine we could fix whatever is wrong for $25-$75, but remember, this
is an estimate not a promise.
  I can sell you a power supply and a manual for $14.00. If you get the
Rang, let me know your address and Rang serial #. That way I can bother
you with useless junk mail.

All the best,

Mike Nelson, co-owner

Boomerang Musical Products
PO Box 541595
Dallas, TX 75354-1595

Tel       800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913)
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Last week someone mentioned the "David Torn/Robert Fripp" approach to looping.
David pointed out that he didn't actually share an approach to looping with
RF and I see his point; on the other hand when people have in the past (and
many have) referred to the "DT/RF" approach I've generally understood what
they meant.

So, to in some way explain what I think we mean when we use the phrase (and
to perhaps undo some offence), I think I've taken the DT/RF approach to mean:

Take one adventurous improviser;
Plug into mondo FX;
plug them into a Looper;
plug that into more mondo FX.

As opposed to the "Bill Frizzell" approach (which started the debate) which
is:

Take one adventurous improviser;
plug into a looper.

Does this make sense?

Michael


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  HI all , I just bought a cd by a fella named Squarepusher , it`s called
"feed me new things". I believe it falls under the Drum`n`Bass genre.
For someone who`s never checked out the "electronica" stuff this cd is
a door-opener. As I sat listening to it my mind started going into different directions at once,
and the whole thing was.....errm ,  TRIPPY!

I can feel the barriers crashing down in my mind. Now I really want to get a sampler! :-)

Have any of you tried recording guitar over music such as Squarepusher??  I`m wondering
if it might be "too much" stuff going on , with the busy groove and all that , to actually improvise some guitar over it.



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>  HI all , I just bought a cd by a fella named Squarepusher , it`s called
>"feed me new things". I believe it falls under the Drum`n`Bass genre.
>For someone who`s never checked out the "electronica" stuff this cd is
>a door-opener. As I sat listening to it my mind started going into
>different directions at once,
>and the whole thing was.....errm ,  TRIPPY!
>
>I can feel the barriers crashing down in my mind. Now I really want to get
>a sampler! :-)
>
>Have any of you tried recording guitar over music such as Squarepusher??
>I`m wondering
>if it might be "too much" stuff going on , with the busy groove and all
>that , to actually improvise some guitar over it.

Find the Buckethead album called "The Day of the Robot", for an example.
Most of the tracks have jungle grooves provided by dj ninj, with buckethead
adding his guitar eccentricities to the mix. I like it for dj ninj more
than anything else, but I guess the guitar parts work alright. It's a few
years old now, so the jungle might not be the latest stuff, but it's still
a pretty interesting album. One of the first places I heard
jungle/drum&bass, actually.

Squarepusher can be really busy (and a bit fixated on late 70s fusion), a
lot of jungle has a very sparse feel where it would be easier to add guitar
loops. (try photek, boymerang, optical, or other "darkstep" types.) Another
branch of dnb tends to be very jazzy, with samples off old jazz records,
and jazzier, sometimes smoother feel. (John B, Roni Size). A lot of the
jazzy dnb guys have been experimenting with playing live with traditional
instruments, or having improvisers blow over their tracks. That seems like
a perfect place to try adding real-time looping or experimenting with
guitars. (especially if you have a jazz background)

I'd say, listen to some more of it, and get a feel for what role the
percussion parts play, the bass parts, the "other stuff". The music is
coming from a different place than where a lot of "guitar music" comes
from, but once you get a feel for what's going on, I think you could figure
out where to add your own thing.  Drum & bass is a very dynamic thing right
now, with lots of experimentation and evolution going on, There's lots of
room to explore new ideas there, which is why I think so many musicians are
interested in it.

have fun,

kim

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sir,
squarepusher et "trippy"
I agree
so is electronica for the most part
I like it
I think thats why most of the world likes it
I've done some stuff with improvised guit** over triggered samples and
606 drum loops...
Its fun, tricky to werk w/ w/out multitracking  but fun
So many people have been running on this idea since WaxTrax/TVT in the
eighties, why not try it?:)

PS:  A littl e Jamm an a nd a little distortion and a little screamin
t hat s   the secret recipe


Woehni wrote:
> 
>   HI all , I just bought a cd by a fella named Squarepusher , it`s called
> "feed me new things". I believe it falls under the Drum`n`Bass genre.
> For someone who`s never checked out the "electronica" stuff this cd is
> a door-opener. As I sat listening to it my mind started going into different directions at once,
> and the whole thing was.....errm ,  TRIPPY!
> 
> I can feel the barriers crashing down in my mind. Now I really want to get a sampler! :-)
> 
> Have any of you tried recording guitar over music such as Squarepusher??  I`m wondering
> if it might be "too much" stuff going on , with the busy groove and all that , to actually improvise some guitar over it.


..,,,..,,,
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The JamMan tap function is transmitted using program change #1, NOT
simply channel 1. In fact, the JamMan defaults to channel 1 for the
entire MIDI implementation. This can be changed on powering up (see
manual).

Now I pose a question to all you JamMan MIDI experts: Is it possible to
convert MIDI note messages from a MIDI device (drum pads) to MIDI
program change messages? Are there any commercial units available which
can do this?

Sean wrote:
> 
> Does anyone use an external MIDI controller to trigger the JamMan? I use
> a Peavey PC-1600x and have had some success setting up multiple loops
> across buttons. However, I cannot tap in/out of loops. I have my MIDI
> channel set to 1 which the manual says is the equivalent of "tap." It
> doesn't work, though. The JamMan does indicate that a signal is being
> received as the display brightens when I punch a key.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sean






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At 7:46 PM -0700 5/1/98, Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote:
>Last week someone mentioned the "David Torn/Robert Fripp" approach to looping.
>David pointed out that he didn't actually share an approach to looping with
>RF and I see his point; on the other hand when people have in the past (and
>many have) referred to the "DT/RF" approach I've generally understood what
>they meant.
>
>So, to in some way explain what I think we mean when we use the phrase (and
>to perhaps undo some offence), I think I've taken the DT/RF approach to mean:
>
>Take one adventurous improviser;
>Plug into mondo FX;
>plug them into a Looper;
>plug that into more mondo FX.
>
>As opposed to the "Bill Frizzell" approach (which started the debate) which
>is:
>
>Take one adventurous improviser;
>plug into a looper.
>
>Does this make sense?


Seems to me like a rather gear-centric definition! I would say there's a
lot more to it then that, and that's what I imagine David is talking about.
Things like:

	What purpose are loops serving in the music?
	What context are they placed in?
	What does the use of loops means to the given performer?
	How do they approach developing the loop?
	What do they do with the loop once they've got it?
	How much is it compositional vs. improvised?
	Is it rhythm? texture? background? foreground? Solo? Supporting?
	What are the favored techniques employed on the given set of gear?
	and on and on....

It doesn't surprise me at all that david would consider what he's doing
with loops to be very different from Mr. Fripp is up to. To me they seem
completely different, and like they approach looping in very different
ways.

It also doesn't suprise me that he got a bit miffed about it. It's a little
bit disrespectful, don't you think, to take two innovative (and quite
different) artists and lump them together like that. He's not the only one
either. I've heard a few other well known looping innovators express (in
private, of course) some amount of annoyance that they keep finding their
name in the same sentence with Fripp's. Or worse, that fripp's is the only
name mentioned in a reference to looping. I don't think it's a disrespect
of fripp at all, more like annoyance that people don't seem to be really
listening to what they've done with looping, or that credit isn't being
given to the people who were doing this long before Fripp or who were much
more innovative in their use of loops than Fripp has been. Fripp certainly
popularized this approach for some people, but maybe it's time to give more
credit out where it's due?

kim "stirring shit up again" flint


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slow as ever:

At 10:37 AM -0500 4/28/98, Dennis W. Leas wrote:
>1) I have quantize on.  But on both my units the parameter
>(SwitchQuant, right?) give me the choices of "OFF",
>"CyC", and "CnF" and the manual describes only "On" and
>"OFF". I set mine to "CyC".  Could you explain what
>"CyC" and "CnF" mean?

this one definitely has to get into the FAQ. Here's a past answer I gave
for this question:

>If you set the SwitchQuant parameter to "Confirm" (CnF) the echoplex will wait
>until you tell it to jump to the loop you want. So as you tap the NextLoop
>button the display shows which loop you are setting up to jump to, but you
>still hear the current loop. When you are at the one you want, you press
>the Undo switch to confirm it, and jump right there. (you can also press
>any function switch, so that you can jump to the new loop and immediately
>start another function.) This method is very convenient from the standard
>echoplex pedal.
>
>If you set the SwitchQuant parameter to "Cycle" the echoplex will wait
>until the end of the current cycle (quantizing) before switching loops.
>During the wait period before the end of the cycle, each tap of the
>NextLoop button increments the loop you are jumping to. So you tap the
>button enough times for it to show the loop you want to go to, and as soon
>as the cycle ends you jump right there. Again, if you press another
>function key, the echoplex will start that function as soon as you switch.
>This method is convenient for switching anywhere with the pedal, but also
>essential when you have to keep all of your loops playing in steady time.




>2) When I have loops in both units and the slave is synched properly to
>the master, I notice unusual behavior
>from the slave when I try to do a NextLoop, Multiply sequence.  I use this
>to do a loop-copy into the next
>(empty) loop.  I hit NextLoop right after the slave loop begins (it's
>about 14 seconds long) and, rather than
>entering a "lame duck period", the slave immediately switches to the next
>loop.  If I set Sync to "Off" this
>doesn't happen, i.e., the slave enters a "lame duck period", but then the
>units aren't synched any more.

Are you sure that the slave unit didn't go into the waiting period, but for
a much shorter time than you expected? One thing I didn't mention before,
the slave will consider its cycle period to be the length defined by it's
8th/beat setting and the midi clock from the master. So if you record a
sync'd loop on the slave that's several multiples of this cycle length, the
loop time displayed on slave might fool you a bit. It will show the length
of the whole loop, but the cycle time will actually be the time defined by
8ths/beat and the midi clock. The quantized loop switch will occur at the
end of the first midi-clock defined sync point.

For example:

Master has 8ths/beat = 8
Slave has 8ths/beat = 1

You record an 8 second loop on the master.

The slave's sync LED will be flashing every 1 second.

You press Record on the slave, it waits for it's next sync point, and start
recording.

You decide to let the slave's loop be four multiples of the cycle length
defined by the midi clock. You let it keep recording up until somewhere
during the third second, and press Record. It finishes up that cycle and
ends the loop with the display showing 4.0 seconds.

Now, you might expect that SwitchQuant will use this 4 second length for
quantizing. It doesn't though. It treats this as if you had a taken a 1
second loop and multiplied it out to 4. So if you press NextLoop, it will
quantize to the next 1 second interval.

Is this what happened for you?


>3) From your explanation and my understanding, I conclude that the slave
>and master may have differing ideas
>of where things begin.  Visually, this would be shown by the StartPoint
>indicator of the slave not flashing at
>the same time that the StartPoint of the master flashes.  Diagrammatically:
>
>master loop:       |---------------------------------------|
>
>slave loop:         ------|---------|---------|---------|---
>
>If this is so, is there a way to "realign" the slaves synching?


Well, it's quite possible to get things out of alignment if you're not
careful. Unquantized reverses and loop retriggering can throw your sync all
outta wack.

the way I usually fix that is to retrigger the loop that is receiving sync
manually, as close to the correct start point as I can manage. (using
Mute-Undo, with quantize off is the best way for this.) The echoplex should
see the midi clock and that the sync start point is very close to it's
current loop start point. Once it detects that, it will lock things
together again.


hope this helps,

kim

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another days-old question:

At 9:43 PM +0200 4/28/98, Claude Voit wrote:
>Dear friend
>
>is this possible and how
>
>record the nextloop silently with the current loop playing

well, I guess the answer is no, unless you use more than one echoplex. But
I'm interested in what you are trying to do and why you want to do it this
way. (maybe it's interesting for some future looper)

Do you mean just a single pass, simple record on the second loop? (no
overdubs, etc). If that's what you want, is there some reason you need to
record it while the current loop is still playing? If you just go to the
next loop and start recording, there won't be any discontinuity. The first
time the "loop" plays will actually be you playing it while the echoplex is
recording, and from there on it will be the echoplex.

Or do you want to do something more?

If you want to silently develop some complicated loop with lots of
overdubbing, multiplies, etc., while another loop is playing, and then just
jump right to the new one, well that's just beyond the echoplex's
capabilities. You really need to have multiple loop tracks to do that, so
that one track is playing while you are working on another. Presumably you
would want to monitor the one you are developing, while the audience can't
hear it, right? which means multiple outputs even. That's just too many
things at once for the poor echoplex's processor to manage. Some future
looper generation I guess might be able to handle this sort of thing. Right
now you would have to use two loopers and a mixer to manage it.

kim

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Hey - 

I have a scanner and I can probably do it. How large are we talking? Since I
am not contributing any scintillating threads yet, I might as well do
something. 

- Bill
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Good call on the Squarepusher - 

I would recommend two ep's by him, "Vic Acid" and "Port Rhombus" - they are
imports, but relatively easy to find. 

I think the key to doing drum&bass or jungle with guitar over it would just be
to balance the elements - the music is so sparse (and it kinda needs to be, in
my opinion), that you need to keep a fine balance between "minimal" and "over
busy". 

If you get something going, post it somewhere so we can hear it!!

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Forgot something...

you might want to check out a guy named Photek, a cd called "Risc vs. Reward"
- it's a compilation of two import eps'. It's similarly styled, and it rips. 

- Bill


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Crossedout wrote:

> I think the key to doing drum&bass or jungle with guitar over it would just be
> to balance the elements - the music is so sparse (and it kinda needs to be, in
> my opinion), that you need to keep a fine balance between "minimal" and "over
> busy".
> 
> If you get something going, post it somewhere so we can hear it!!

Ummm...  

At the risk of overexposing myself, I've got some online sound files of
my music which is primarily (ta da...) electric guitar over jungle
beats.  In fact, I'm under the impression that those files were Thomas
"Woheni"s first taste of drum 'n bass, based upon mail he sent me.

I posted a notice about these files a week ago, so presumably some folks
either heard it and thought it unworthy of mention in this thread, or
else missed the notice altogether.

So, just in case:  The URL is

http://home.earthlink.net/~altruist/sound.html

The song is called "In Time," from my 1998 demo (the first three
samples).

--Andre


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Kim Flint wrote:

> It doesn't surprise me at all that david would consider what he's doing
> with loops to be very different from Mr. Fripp is up to. To me they seem
> completely different, and like they approach looping in very different
> ways. 
> It also doesn't suprise me that he got a bit miffed about it. It's a little
> bit disrespectful, don't you think, to take two innovative (and quite
> different) artists and lump them together like that. He's not the only one
> either. I've heard a few other well known looping innovators express (in
> private, of course) some amount of annoyance that they keep finding their
> name in the same sentence with Fripp's. 

I think we have a loop of approximately three months' length going with
this thread here...

I wholeheartedly agree that if you take a good look at the music David
Torn and Robert Fripp, you'll see that there are profound differences in
the way they use looping, and the contexts in which they use it.

*However*, I also think you've got to realize that in the grand scheme
of the whole spectrum of music in general (or even looping in
particular), you can't be too terribly surprised if these sorts of
associations get made, particularly by those who don't have the sort of
knowledge or interest in this sort of thing that most of us do.

For instance, Kim, in your post from earlier today about jungle, you
mention both Photek and Boymerang as examples of "darkstep" drum and
bass.  Now, I personally can't think of any two jungle artists more
dissimilar than those two!  Photek's stuff is extremely minimalistic,
detached, chilly, intellectual, abstract stuff (about his own production
aesthetic, he once remarked, "The absence of feeling sort of becomes the
feeling.")  On the other hand, Boymerang's stuff is very lush, sweeping,
grandoise stuff, full of thick synth pads, echoey ambient sounds, and
the like.  To my ears, Photek's stuff sounds like a black and white
experimental art film shot on a soundstage, and Boymerang sounds like a
technicolor widescreen epic filmed on location.  And I wouldn't put
either of them into "darkstep" as quickly as I would others (though I'm
certainly no expert on the genre).

But at the same time, they apparently get lumped together, erroneously
or otherwise, under a similar genre.  (And I'm not saying you're wrong
in this, either; jungle has so many different genre names and alleged
deliniations that not even its own practitioners can agree on exactly
what means what).  And I think the same sort of thing can expain lumping
people like DT and RF together -- they're both guitarists, they both
play somewhere in the progressive rock/fusion/ambient quadrant (for lack
of a better term), they both do solo guitar loop concerts, they've both
served as sidemen to David Sylvian... hell, they even share the same
rhythm section some of the time!  

So while I completely agree that there are very profound distinctions to
be made between those two, I also think that there are legitimate
reasons they're associated with one another.  Overly simplistic reasons,
to be sure, but not inexcusable ones.

As for why Fripp always gets held up as an icon of looping, I've delved
into that in much detail in the past.  But to make the point in a
different way (and maybe to get a different sort of thread going), might
I suggest that we try and list as many different real-time loopists as
we can?  And when I say real-time, I'm referring to the sort of
instantaneous, sample or delay-based looping of a source sound that
tends to be the common link between most of us on the list.  And part of
the idea of this is to single out people who have a particularly strong
image in the public or general consciousness for doing this sort of
thing.

Here's my beginning (in roughly chronological order):

-- Terry Riley
-- Brian Eno
-- Robert Fripp
-- David Torn
-- Paul Dresher
-- Bill Frissel
-- Michael Brook

Any others?

Now, of the above artists, how many have made a consistent and frequent
habit of doing their thing in front of audiences?  How many of them have
taken their looping and put it out in front of people in a way that
really keys them in to what's going on?  

My point here is that if you want to eliminate misconceptions about
looping (or anything else, for that matter), you've got to get a sense
of why these misconceptions exist in the first place.  Fripp isn't the
be-all and end-all of looping, nor does he ever profess to be, so far as
I'm aware.  (And just for the record, he's not my favorite of the lot
above, either.)  But if you wonder why he gets pegged with the lion's
share of the attention, look at who else has done as much intrinsically
loop-based live performance as he has, for as long as he has.  You might
find it to beĉa short list indeed.

--Andre
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Or worse, that fripp's is the only
> name mentioned in a reference to looping. I don't think it's a disrespect
> of fripp at all, more like annoyance that people don't seem to be really
> listening to what they've done with looping, or that credit isn't being
> given to the people who were doing this long before Fripp or who were much
> more innovative in their use of loops than Fripp has been. Fripp certainly
> popularized this approach for some people, but maybe it's time to give more
> credit out where it's due?
> 
> kim "stirring shit up again" flint
> 
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Woehni wrote:

> Have any of you tried recording guitar over music such as Squarepusher??  I`m wondering
> if it might be "too much" stuff going on , with the busy groove and all that , to actually improvise some guitar over it.

Here are a few guitar+jungle albums:

-- David Bowie, "Earthling."  Surprisingly effective in places, though
the marriage between noisy, metallic guitars and skittering beats is
sometimes a bit awkward.

-- Derek Bailey, "Guitar Drums & Bass."  Bailey improvises his patented
avante-guitar skronk over beats by Laswell collaborator DJ Ninj.  I
wasn't too crazy about it, personally.

-- Bill Nelson, "After The Sattelite Sings."  Largely a song-oriented,
vocal affair; about half of the tunes on here are jungle-oriented. 
Pretty good.

-- Pitchshifter, "www.pitchshifter.com"  Yes, that's actually the name
of the album.  Kind of '90s hard-edged alternative rock with programmed
beats, including a few in the 160+ BPM zone (they actually list the
tempos for each tune, which is the first time I've seen a rock band do
that).

-- Goldie, "Saturnz Return."  This two-CD set is a sprawling,
pretentious mess -- a very good 45-minute album is hidden somewhere
within the rampantly boring excess herein.  There's some punkish guitar
played by one of the guys from Oasis on one of the album's bright spots,
"Temper Temper," which also features the unintentionally comical sound
of Goldie doing a Henry Rollins impersonation.  There's some smooth-jazz
styled horrors elsewhere on the disc, replete with slick, clean-toned
guitars.  Can you tell I'm not crazy about this one?


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>
>Not to say the MPC is not a great sampler - I love it, and I'd certianly
>rather have it than a Roland product. It just seems that Akai tends to term it
>a "sampling drum machine" rather than a "sampler AND drum machine". 
>


Hi guys 

I'd like to have more in deep info on the Akai MPC 2000. Any user out there?

thanks
leo



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Andre wrote:
>At the risk of overexposing myself, I've got some online sound files of
>my music which is primarily (ta da...) electric guitar over jungle
>beats.  In fact, I'm under the impression that those files were Thomas
>"Woheni"s first taste of drum 'n bass, based upon mail he sent me.


Yep , I finally got a loose idea of the genres through your demo and the questions I asked you.  I`m very new to electronic music , and I realize now how much Im missing.
(On that note , Herbalizer is playing a small JazzFestival in norway this summer. Is he
influenced by Jazz , or is it "just a fad"??)

For the record , I think your demo and guitarplaying is absolutely superb!!!  Obviously , the
soundquality and the short soundclips on a "net-demo" don`t do anybody justice , but I loved it!!   I urge everyone on the list to check Andre`s demo out , and everyones elses , for that
matter.  After all , this list is about music , not words.  If anyone here has a demo lying on the net I hope you post the URL so we can "check each other out."   

Yours
Thomas W



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allo all....I have a question, but being a semi-lurker and forgetting who's
who round here from time to time, forgive the stupidity of the following:

which one of you loop-heads is playing a little show at the Clipper Ship
Bookstore in San Antonio sometime soon? I live here...and have contemplated
doing a show or two there myself....anyway, I was talking to the proprietor
of said bookstore about that show and was intruiged...

DIY electronic music, Zineage, and more:
http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/




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93

---Tom Johnson <Tjohnson@MSGATE.MDHC.MDC.COM>
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>
> I found this on Harmony Central:

> DFX98 EchoMatic Digital Delay/Sampler $179.95 
> 
> Thought you might be interested . . . 
> 
> Tom Johnson


Heh. Musicians Friend has 'em for $99.  I got
one on order right now, and if I like it enough,
gonna get another.

93

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93

---Kim Flint <kflint@chromatic.com> wrote:
 Which reminds me: some time back,
> Greg Hogan sent me service manuals for both
the JamMan and Vortex so that
> they can be included on the Looper's Delight
pages. I haven't had time to
> scan them or do anything about it. Do any of
you jamman/vortex users have a
> decent scanner and feel motivated about doing
this? The manuals include
> schematics, explanations of the onboard
hardware tests, bringup and repair
> guides, etc., and would probably be a nice
thing to have out in the public
> domain. Volunteers?
> 
> kim

What the hey, I got a scanner and I gots the
time (more or less).  Ship 'em to me.

93

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In a message dated 98-05-03 07:57:58 EDT, you write:

<< 
 I'd like to have more in deep info on the Akai MPC 2000. Any user out there?
  >>

What do you want to know? 

- Bill
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John Parada,
On your website you wrote:

Side B is a musical side, using the original applied theories and
concepts of hypnotic frequency tonal variation and axiomatic varied
polyrhythmic induction. 

John, would you elaborate on the meaning and characteristics of
"hypnotic frequency tonal variation, and axiomatic varied polyrhythmic
induction"?

bret

---John + Diane Parada <jparada@pop.interport.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all . I just purchased a Boomerang from rogue Music in Nyc. Between
> that, my analog and digital delays, my ebow and xp300 space station, I
> can now make and record some of the sounds I've always wanted to
make. I
> am in the NYC area. I am interested in hypnosis, meditation and music
> and live performance of those combinations . Is there anyone who
shares
> simialr interests in the area? to learn more about me visit my site
> 
>  http://www.changenow.com
> 

 
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i noticed that in the original message, John wrote he uses his space station
to make sounds he always wanted to.  I got one a couple of months ago, and i
have found that only the strings are really any good, the rest of the sounds
i could make with various combinations of other pedals.  I have also found
the ring modulator sounds to be really weak compared to my colorsound ring
modulator.  what do you all think?

Jay Allen
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Bret wrote:

> John Parada,
> On your website you wrote:
>
> Side B is a musical side, using the original applied theories and
> concepts of hypnotic frequency tonal variation and axiomatic varied
> polyrhythmic induction.
>
> John, would you elaborate on the meaning and characteristics of
> "hypnotic frequency tonal variation, and axiomatic varied polyrhythmic
> induction"?
>
> bret
>
> ---John + Diane Parada <jparada@pop.interport.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all . I just purchased a Boomerang from rogue Music in Nyc. Between
> > that, my analog and digital delays, my ebow and xp300 space station, I
> > can now make and record some of the sounds I've always wanted to
> make. I
> > am in the NYC area. I am interested in hypnosis, meditation and music
> > and live performance of those combinations . Is there anyone who
> shares
> > simialr interests in the area? to learn more about me visit my site
> >
> >  http://www.changenow.com
> >
>
>
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yes, there's loop content in here if you look closely. -Michael
----------------------------------------------------------------------------  
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Von:	Dave Aftandilian [SMTP:da@press.uchicago.edu]
Gesendet am:	Sonntag, 3. Mai 1998 22:21
An:	acoustic-ecology@sfu.ca
Betreff:	Dinosaur music

According to the 18 April 98 issue of NEW SCIENTIST, researchers Tom
Williamson of the New Mexico Museum of Natural History and Carl Diegert of
Sandia National Laboratories took a CAT scan of the skull of the so-called
"trombone duckbill" hadrosaur *Parasaurolophus*. They found that the hollow
crest with long, looped tubes from the nostrils up to the top of the crest
and then back down toward the throat "would have put on an impressive
performance" whether or not the dinosaur possessed vocal organs.

"Without vocal organs, it could have got sounds to resonate in the crest
just as you cna produce noises by blowing across the top of a bottle. The
result would have been a very low note (similar in pitch to the lowest note
on a piano). With vocal organs, it would have been rather more musical,
producing a wider repertoire of frequencies. The sound has been compared to
that of a didgeridoo."

I don't have sound capabilities on this computer, but more information can
be found at and the sounds can supposedly be heard on the web at:

http://www.nmmnh-abq.mus.nm.us/nmmnh/parasound.html

-- Dave




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WOW!  What an effect!

Best,
the LoOpdOctOrs


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I only had a an hour or so to play around with my new Echoplex DP
yesterday--just enough to whet my appetite, but OMG! This thing is
amazing!

Only one problem: after I've been playing a while, my wife yells
upstairs, "Why don't you PLAY something? That's driving me crazy!"
Uh oh. Looks like I may have to get out the old headphones...

Well, I've only got one question at this point, and it seems so
simple, that I feel stupid asking it, but how do you solo over your
loop without recording anything? I did read the manual from cover
to cover, but I can't seem to find anything that addresses this.
After hitting "record", playing a bit, then "record" again, I have
a loop going, but everything I play after that is also recorded, as
if I'm overdubbing. It never goes back to play mode. What am I doing
wrong? I was able to keep hitting "undo" to avoid recording over my
loop, but that gets to be very annoying, especially on shorter loops.

Also, I should say that I reset to factory defaults, so this isn't
being caused by any inadvertent programming on my part. I was using
an Alesis footswitch plugged into the footpedal jack on the EDP.


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>which one of you loop-heads is playing a little show at the Clipper Ship
>Bookstore in San Antonio sometime soon? I live here...and have contemplated
>doing a show or two there myself....anyway, I was talking to the proprietor
>of said bookstore about that show and was intruiged...

hi,

Travis Hartnett (from Austin) will be playing, as well as myself (james rhodes)
im pretty sure Travis will be playing guitar...he could tell you more.

i will be playing Chapman Stick/Keys,,,and maybe some other stringed instruments

its a free show and its at the Clippership Bookstore (great old/used books
etc.) at 7:00pm Fri, May 22nd

722 Balcones Heights Rd. (at Babcock) (210) 734-5409  San Antonio, TX

the Clippership features poetry/spoken word on Monday nights, and features
eclectic experimental,,,and not so experimental live music...

great books,,,and music to read them by

hope folks can come out
thanks,
james



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At 10:00 AM 5/4/98 -0700, Peter Harlan wrote:
>Well, I've only got one question at this point, and it seems so
>simple, that I feel stupid asking it, but how do you solo over your
>loop without recording anything? I did read the manual from cover
>to cover, but I can't seem to find anything that addresses this.
>After hitting "record", playing a bit, then "record" again, I have
>a loop going, but everything I play after that is also recorded, as
>if I'm overdubbing. It never goes back to play mode. What am I doing
>wrong? I was able to keep hitting "undo" to avoid recording over my
>loop, but that gets to be very annoying, especially on shorter loops.
>
>Also, I should say that I reset to factory defaults, so this isn't
>being caused by any inadvertent programming on my part. I was using
>an Alesis footswitch plugged into the footpedal jack on the EDP.

It sounds like either:

a) you've got the Loop/delay parameter set to delay, in which case you want
to set it back to Loop. (The overdub LED would be always green if this is
the case.)

or

b) something funky is happening with the pedal you are using, and it is
causing overdub to turn on all the time. (The overdub LED would be always
red in this case.) Try removing the pedal and using the front panel controls
to see if it makes a difference.

kim
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Kim Flint wrote:
> 
> It sounds like either:
> 
> a) you've got the Loop/delay parameter set to delay, in which case you want
> to set it back to Loop. (The overdub LED would be always green if this is
> the case.)
> 

Unless this is the default behavior, it should have been corrected by
re-initializing to factory defaults, n'est-ce pas? At least that's what
I
assumed.

> or
> 
> b) something funky is happening with the pedal you are using, and it is
> causing overdub to turn on all the time. (The overdub LED would be always
> red in this case.) Try removing the pedal and using the front panel controls
> to see if it makes a difference.
> 

I should have tried this simple test--I'll do it tonight. Thanks, by the
way,
to all the other folks who suggested this in private e-mails to me.

-Peter


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hi there,

i've check the looper's delight homepage, and i'm looking for the 
answers to a few questions:

1) can anyone recommend a "continuous controller" for the vortex?  to 
me, "continuous controlling" is something i do via midi, but the back of 
the vortex asks for a stereo cable... that is, a midi cable doesn't fit 
in there.  do i just use an insert cable with a volume pedal connected 
to either side?  or is there something i'm missing here?

2) the link to "andy butler's vortex page" on the looper's delight page 
is dead.  is there any chance anyone has a copy of the presets there?  
i'm having absolutely no problems coming up with weird and inspiring 
patches for this thing, i'm just wondering what other people are using 
their vortecies for.

3) is anyone using their vortex with and echoplex?  if so, how are you 
dealing with the stereo/mono thing?  i mean, aside from the obvious 
solution of getting another 'plex.  right now, i run from the preamp, 
through the stereo effects (including vortex), and feed the echoplex 
from and aux send.  i return the 'plex to the board through another 
channel, which can then again be stereo-ized.  i like having the vortex 
before the echoplex, and i think i want to keep it there.  any 
suggestions for an alternate setup?

whew, that was longer than i thought.  thanks in advance,
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>3) is anyone using their vortex with and echoplex?  if so, how are you 
>dealing with the stereo/mono thing?  i mean, aside from the obvious 
>solution of getting another 'plex.  right now, i run from the preamp, 
>through the stereo effects (including vortex), and feed the echoplex 
>from and aux send.  i return the 'plex to the board through another 
>channel, which can then again be stereo-ized.  i like having the vortex 
>before the echoplex, and i think i want to keep it there.  any 
>suggestions for an alternate setup?

I use two Vortex--one for live guitar, one after the Echoplex.

Travis Hartnett


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---Andre LaFosse <altruist@earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> Here are a few guitar+jungle albums:

> -- Bill Nelson, "After The Sattelite Sings."  Largely a
song-oriented,
> vocal affair; about half of the tunes on here are
jungle-oriented. 
> Pretty good.

Pretty good?!!  It's the best vocal album he's ever done!
IMHO.  And, if you have any training in western occultism,
all the lyrics take on very interesting meanings.

Does anyone know if Bill Nelson does any loopage?  I have
practically everything he's done, and I would suppose the
closest thing would be the monumental ambient/esoteric
offering "Strange Encounters in the Garden of Light". If
he doesn't have a looper, he should!

As for the jungle and guitar thing, I just did a micro gig
(a 25min. set) as the Darsan Trio at the Satyicon in
Portland, OR for a tribute to the late Anton Levy.

I used an EPS sampler to loop beats lifted from Bill
Laswell and King Crimson, slowed down about an octave.
Now, I realize that jungle is usually sped up, so what I
was doing was not technically jungle, but what the hell,
close enough.

Over this I looped guitar with ye olde JamMan. I worked
with a dancer who used a wireless headset mike that went
through my old Digitech 7.6 delay, set to about 4 seconds.
She read a couple of poems and caused general vocal
mayhem. The JamMan was midi'd to the EPS, but the Digitech
was not synched in any way.  The dancer wore nothing but
silver paint. We were quite the hit, as you might well
imagine ;-)

93

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>i noticed that in the original message, John wrote he uses his space station
>to make sounds he always wanted to.  I got one a couple of months ago, and i
>have found that only the strings are really any good, the rest of the sounds
>i could make with various combinations of other pedals.  I have also found
>the ring modulator sounds to be really weak compared to my colorsound ring
>modulator.  what do you all think?

I tried it out a few weeks ago on two gigs, and was sort of disappointed. 
 You can't edit the parameters on any of the patches, except to use the 
expression pedal to vary the parameter that Digitech has chosen 
(typically wet/dry blend, delay time or volume).  

The string swell patches were okay, but I've been using a compressor, 
Whammy Pedal, volume pedal and reverb/delay for years now, which gives me 
a lot more control of the swell envelope.  If you pick very, very, very 
lightly, there's no pick sound, but above that, you hear the multi-tap 
delay repeats of your initial attack.

The backwards sound was very good.

The bizarro sounds (pixelator, ring mod, random pitch shift) weren't 
enough to make me fork over $200.  I believe there was also a few 
auto-wah patches. 

If you don't have much in the way of effects, it may be a great buy for 
you.  If you've already got a Field Of LED's, you may want to demo before 
purchase.

Travis


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cool... I am going to try and make that show....sounds interesting...you
guys come here to SA to loop often??

At 12:58 PM 5/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>which one of you loop-heads is playing a little show at the Clipper Ship
>>Bookstore in San Antonio sometime soon? I live here...and have contemplated
>>doing a show or two there myself....anyway, I was talking to the proprietor
>>of said bookstore about that show and was intruiged...
>
>hi,
>
>Travis Hartnett (from Austin) will be playing, as well as myself (james
rhodes)
>im pretty sure Travis will be playing guitar...he could tell you more.
>
>i will be playing Chapman Stick/Keys,,,and maybe some other stringed
instruments
>
>its a free show and its at the Clippership Bookstore (great old/used books
>etc.) at 7:00pm Fri, May 22nd
>
>722 Balcones Heights Rd. (at Babcock) (210) 734-5409  San Antonio, TX
>
>the Clippership features poetry/spoken word on Monday nights, and features
>eclectic experimental,,,and not so experimental live music...
>
>great books,,,and music to read them by
>
>hope folks can come out
>thanks,
>james
>
>
>
>

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just about as good as it gets,,one of my alltime faves. Long out of print,
"Chance Encounters..." captures the essence of Spirit driven music. it has
touched me many times over the last 10 years...


"Never let anything doubt your ability to demonstrate the truth"  This
Spirit Cannot Fail.     B. Nelson

later,
james











At 02:02 PM 5/4/98 -0700, you wrote:
>93
>
>---Andre LaFosse <altruist@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> 
>> Here are a few guitar+jungle albums:
>
>> -- Bill Nelson, "After The Sattelite Sings."  Largely a
>song-oriented,
>> vocal affair; about half of the tunes on here are
>jungle-oriented. 
>> Pretty good.
>
>Pretty good?!!  It's the best vocal album he's ever done!
>IMHO.  And, if you have any training in western occultism,
>all the lyrics take on very interesting meanings.
>
>Does anyone know if Bill Nelson does any loopage?  I have
>practically everything he's done, and I would suppose the
>closest thing would be the monumental ambient/esoteric
>offering "Strange Encounters in the Garden of Light". If
>he doesn't have a looper, he should!
>
>As for the jungle and guitar thing, I just did a micro gig
>(a 25min. set) as the Darsan Trio at the Satyicon in
>Portland, OR for a tribute to the late Anton Levy.
>
>I used an EPS sampler to loop beats lifted from Bill
>Laswell and King Crimson, slowed down about an octave.
>Now, I realize that jungle is usually sped up, so what I
>was doing was not technically jungle, but what the hell,
>close enough.
>
>Over this I looped guitar with ye olde JamMan. I worked
>with a dancer who used a wireless headset mike that went
>through my old Digitech 7.6 delay, set to about 4 seconds.
>She read a couple of poems and caused general vocal
>mayhem. The JamMan was midi'd to the EPS, but the Digitech
>was not synched in any way.  The dancer wore nothing but
>silver paint. We were quite the hit, as you might well
>imagine ;-)
>
>93
>
>Rev. DOubt-Goat
>
>Check out the new Darsan Trio web site at
>http://www.spiritone.com/~skhtmt/
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>
>



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At 02:02 PM 5/4/98 -0700, Rev. Doubt-Goat wrote:


>I used an EPS sampler to loop beats lifted from Bill
>Laswell and King Crimson, slowed down about an octave.
>Now, I realize that jungle is usually sped up, so what I
>was doing was not technically jungle, but what the hell,
>close enough.

I think if you speed it up, it's jungle, and if you slow it down, it's
trip-hop. :-)

along that jungle with guitars line, I picked up the Adam F cd "colours" the
other day. (I think the cd only just became available in the US.) He used a
lot of live musicians/instruments on it, including guitars, over his usual
jungle stuff. (also bass, horns, keys, percussion...) A pretty good dnb
album actually, that a lot of people were raving about last year. One of the
tracks with lots of guitar ("dirty harry") wound up sounding more like rock
than jungle, but that's ok since it's better than most of the intentional
rock tunes I've heard lately. A good album, I recommend it. Also a good
example of ways you might merge jungle rhythms with more traditional
instruments.

kim
_______________________________________________________
Kim Flint			408-752-9284
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Chromatic Research		http://www.chromatic.com



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 I will disagree with you on the backwards delay.  It isnt that great compared to
my DD5.  Anyway-- What does everyone think about the reissue memory man?  i am
thinking about buying a second delay pedal and having trouble decideing which on
to get.  Like i said, i have a Boss DD-5 and i have been thinking about the
memory man, that new korg dynamic echo, and that new DOD with 8 seconds of delay.
I have been dissappointed with the majority of DOD pedals except for my stereo
flanger, and the korg only has upto one second delay time, so can anyone give me
some advice?

Thanks,
Jay Allen
thewaxdolls
http://members.aol.com/Eddie96848/gig.htm

T.W. Hartnett wrote:

> >i noticed that in the original message, John wrote he uses his space station
> >to make sounds he always wanted to.  I got one a couple of months ago, and i
> >have found that only the strings are really any good, the rest of the sounds
> >i could make with various combinations of other pedals.  I have also found
> >the ring modulator sounds to be really weak compared to my colorsound ring
> >modulator.  what do you all think?
>
> I tried it out a few weeks ago on two gigs, and was sort of disappointed.
>  You can't edit the parameters on any of the patches, except to use the
> expression pedal to vary the parameter that Digitech has chosen
> (typically wet/dry blend, delay time or volume).
>
> The string swell patches were okay, but I've been using a compressor,
> Whammy Pedal, volume pedal and reverb/delay for years now, which gives me
> a lot more control of the swell envelope.  If you pick very, very, very
> lightly, there's no pick sound, but above that, you hear the multi-tap
> delay repeats of your initial attack.
>
> The backwards sound was very good.
>
> The bizarro sounds (pixelator, ring mod, random pitch shift) weren't
> enough to make me fork over $200.  I believe there was also a few
> auto-wah patches.
>
> If you don't have much in the way of effects, it may be a great buy for
> you.  If you've already got a Field Of LED's, you may want to demo before
> purchase.
>
> Travis





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On the Vortex...

There is no midi...a volume pedal will control the morphing capability.

We like sending mono loopers into the Vortex so the loop comes out stereo.

Best,
the LoOpdOctOrs


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Rev. Doubt-Goat wrote:

> ---Andre LaFosse <altruist@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > -- Bill Nelson, "After The Sattelite Sings."  Largely a
> song-oriented,
> > vocal affair; about half of the tunes on here are
> jungle-oriented.
> > Pretty good.
> 
> Pretty good?!!  It's the best vocal album he's ever done!

Sorry to raise the proverbial ire.  Like anything else I write, "pretty
good" is more a reflection of my personal reaction -- in the case of the
above posting, in terms of how it integrates jungle into the
compositional elements of the tunes.  I'm no Nelson expert, though, so
I'll gladly defer to your judgement on how it rates in terms of his
other material.

> IMHO.  And, if you have any training in western occultism,
> all the lyrics take on very interesting meanings.

Even though I don't know his music, I do really like a lot of the songs
on there quite a bit, regardless of the rhythmic element (or the occult
overtones, for that matter).  There's a certain ultra-glossy sheen to
the sound that I'm not nuts about, but again, that's just my own take on
it.  

Then again, ultra-glossy sheens aren't necessarily a bad thing,
especially based upon your description of your gig partner's "attire." 
Wonder what would have happened if you'd done 
*that* piece at Starbucks.

Anyway...

--Andre







> 
> Does anyone know if Bill Nelson does any loopage?  I have
> practically everything he's done, and I would suppose the
> closest thing would be the monumental ambient/esoteric
> offering "Strange Encounters in the Garden of Light". If
> he doesn't have a looper, he should!
> 
> As for the jungle and guitar thing, I just did a micro gig
> (a 25min. set) as the Darsan Trio at the Satyicon in
> Portland, OR for a tribute to the late Anton Levy.
> 
> I used an EPS sampler to loop beats lifted from Bill
> Laswell and King Crimson, slowed down about an octave.
> Now, I realize that jungle is usually sped up, so what I
> was doing was not technically jungle, but what the hell,
> close enough.
> 
> Over this I looped guitar with ye olde JamMan. I worked
> with a dancer who used a wireless headset mike that went
> through my old Digitech 7.6 delay, set to about 4 seconds.
> She read a couple of poems and caused general vocal
> mayhem. The JamMan was midi'd to the EPS, but the Digitech
> was not synched in any way.  The dancer wore nothing but
> silver paint. We were quite the hit, as you might well
> imagine ;-)
> 
> 93
> 
> Rev. DOubt-Goat
> 
> Check out the new Darsan Trio web site at
> http://www.spiritone.com/~skhtmt/
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com


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    IĞll be in Paris and London next month (vacation,sort of) ,IĞd love to
meet Loopers located there,we could Jam,loop, and maybe go to a gig or
two,IĞm not asking for shelter :-) just for 3 hours of an
afternoon,besides,beer is on me!

  smaug.



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I've recently been reading posts where people in different parts of the
country are looking for other similarly inclined musicians to make noise
with... I was wondering if anybody knows a way of hooking up w/people locally
without each one of us having to post and say where we are? by the way, i'm
looking to put a band/project together in Portland, OR.
thanks


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Dear All,

having had my Echoplex for about two months I have a few comments
and questions:
Firstly, thanks to all who designed this wonderful box of tricks.
Secondly, I find that after a couple of hours of insane, dreamy
ambience the thing is so hot that strange and annoying things happen.
(I should mention that I'm running on UK voltage, 230V)
Most worrying the mains plug frequently gets so warm the plastic
softens and it looses contact momentarily, naturally resetting the
EDP and loosing my prize loop. I have tried this with half a dozen
diffent leads with the same result. 
Less worrying - strange things start to happen to the control functions.
Foremost amonst these is that <OVERDUB> starts acting like <MULTIPLY>,
this can produce some intersting results but is still annoying.
Is this a result of the input voltage? 
I guess my only option is to fit a fan in the rack case.

Still, I wouldn't change my EDP for all the other processing boxes
on the market.

Jim Carter




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Jay Allen wrote:

>  I will disagree with you on the backwards delay.  It isnt that great compared to
> my DD5.  Anyway-- What does everyone think about the reissue memory man?  i am
> thinking about buying a second delay pedal and having trouble decideing which on
> to get.

I just got one a while ago, and have been in the process of breaking it in.  Here are
my first impressions (and I am using my Ibanez AD-9 analog delay and my Boss
pitchshifter/delay [pd-4?] as benchmarks.

Good:  The quality of the delay is warm, round, organic and fuzzy.  No irritating
pick clangs repeated a la Boss (or any other modern digital delay I have used.

Good: Volume of your guitar does not drop significantly when pedal is engaged (like
most analog delay pedals I have used)  I could never figure out why this was, but
never ceases to piss me off.

Good:  The vibrato, in particular, is a lot of fun.  Too bad there isn't a separate
switch for it.

Bad:  The feedback on it is really weird:  you get one really loud tap, and several
much quieter repeats.  This is the pedal's main drawback, IMHO.  I like one or two
good repeats (like a tapped delay) with medium delay times.  The quality of the delay
makes up for a lot, though.

Bad:  There is a gain control that cannot be bypassed. Perhaps on further inspection,
one of us could figure out how to do it, but it would be great to be able to set the
volume of your effects pedals (see addendum).

Bad: If someone can get useful runaway out of one of these badboys, let me know how.
If you jack up the feedback and start it whistling, the output has no effect so you
squeaks are way too loud.  The AD-9 is the king of this.


Addendum:

I am giving away the trade secrets to my spectacularly successful fx box company that
exists only in my own mind.  Anybody who wants to use these ideas is free to, so long
as you make me a few pedals as well:

1) fx pedals should have their own volume and tone controls.  Digital delay pedals
need to have a knob where you can roll off the highs (lows would be nice too).
Distortion pedals need to have (IMHO) a guitar type pot with a low value cap (like
old tele's did) to roll of the highs BEFORE you hit the clipper.  Compressor need to
have the ability their tone rolled down (or have your own tone settings).

I built (with a lot of help from a friend of mine) a passive effects looper that had
their own volume and tone controls for each loop.  It's great, but hassle to use,
because I use just about every conceivable combination of the 4-7 pedals on the
floor.

2) fx pedals never seem to have enough gain going out. I don't know why.  Maybe you
do.  Maybe it was too many Husker Du records as a child, but I firmly believe that
distortion should be louder than your clean sound (except for that extra pedal you
keep set low so you can be insanely distorted at very low volumes).

3) Can we agree one where the in/out jacks are going to be?  I have thirty different
patchcords (straight to straight, angle to angle, straight to angle, etc. etc.) so
that I can keep my fx boxes within two feet of each other.  Personally, I think
having the jacks on the top is kind of nice.

4) Wouldn't it be great if pedals had interlocking tongue and groove locking systems
on the side.  Bolt all your pedals together, and who needs a pedal board?



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Greetings and Salivations-

Finally got that home computer goin'...I'm on aol just for the morning, and
then I'll be wired to my cable provider from this afternoon on. Just wanted to
say Hello to y'all. I've missed talking to everybody. Still trying to do that
"full-time" musician thing here in Nashville, with moderate success. Hope
everyone is OK....more later...

Tom "Silence, like a cancer grows" Spaulding


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Tom "The King of Taglines" Spaulding is baaack!
Welcome Back!


At 11:59 AM 5/5/98 EDT, Tom wrote:
>Greetings and Salivations-
>
>Finally got that home computer goin'...I'm on aol just for the morning, and
>then I'll be wired to my cable provider from this afternoon on. Just
wanted to
>say Hello to y'all. I've missed talking to everybody. Still trying to do that
>"full-time" musician thing here in Nashville, with moderate success. Hope
>everyone is OK....more later...
>
>Tom "Silence, like a cancer grows" Spaulding
>
>
>


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>I've recently been reading posts where people in different parts of the
>country are looking for other similarly inclined musicians to make noise
>with... I was wondering if anybody knows a way of hooking up w/people locally
>without each one of us having to post and say where we are? by the way, i'm
>looking to put a band/project together in Portland, OR.

The Looper's of the World section on the Looper's Delight page has a 
fairly complete listing of locations.

Travis Hartnett
Austin, TX


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		Welcome Sorta Back........

			joe

At 11:59 AM 5/5/98 EDT, you wrote:
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>
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>"full-time" musician thing here in Nashville, with moderate success. Hope
>everyone is OK....more later...
>
>Tom "Silence, like a cancer grows" Spaulding
>
>
>



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Yesterday, I reported that the Record function on my new Echoplex
didn't seem to be working right--everything I played was overdubbing
the loop.

Well, the problem turned out to be that the Loop/Delay parameter
was set to "dEL". Simple enough, I guess, but what I can't figure
out is why re-initializing the machine to factory presets didn't
fix this. I did that several times on Sunday, with no change to the
way the unit was operating. However, last night I set the parm to
"LOP" and it worked just fine. Then I changed it back to "dEL" and
tried the re-init process, and lo and behold, the parm was reset to
"LOP". So, I'm happy everything now works, but still puzzled as to
why the Loop/Delay parm wasn't reset the other day.

Having had a chance to play around with the EDP for a while now,
I am realizing how important it is to have a foot controller that
feels right. I'm using two cheap footswitches to trigger Record and
Overdub, and I'd planned to get my ART X-15 set up to activate other
functions as well as control the feedback level. But now I've pretty
much made up my mind to spring for the EFC-7.

-Peter


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At 9:51 AM +0100 5/5/98, JF. Carter wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>having had my Echoplex for about two months I have a few comments
>and questions:
>Firstly, thanks to all who designed this wonderful box of tricks.
>Secondly, I find that after a couple of hours of insane, dreamy
>ambience the thing is so hot that strange and annoying things happen.
>(I should mention that I'm running on UK voltage, 230V)

Did you flip the voltage switch on the back to the 230V setting? If it were
on 115V and you were powering off 230V, the normally warm echoplex would
become positively molten...


>Most worrying the mains plug frequently gets so warm the plastic
>softens and it looses contact momentarily, naturally resetting the
>EDP and loosing my prize loop. I have tried this with half a dozen
>diffent leads with the same result.

If it's as hot as you say, its more likely that the regulators are going
into thermal overload and shutting off.

>Less worrying - strange things start to happen to the control functions.
>Foremost amonst these is that <OVERDUB> starts acting like <MULTIPLY>,
>this can produce some intersting results but is still annoying.
>Is this a result of the input voltage?

that's what happens when it is way outside of it's normal temperature
range. I only ever made it do that sort of thing by blowing a heat gun on
it until it failed. (ie, making it extremely hot.)

It should run the same with 115V or 230V, assuming the switch is set right.

>I guess my only option is to fit a fan in the rack case.

are there other things in the rack generating heat? Or is air flow in the
rack limited?

kim

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brett,

	Thank you for your visit to my site and for your interest in my
theories regarding my two main directions: music and hypnosis. Simply
put, both tonal variation and axiomatic polyrhythyms are methods of
"musical" hypnotic induction I use and experiment with.
	Since hypnosis is as far off topic as discussing the benefits of
playing a Carvin, I try to restrict my posts to looping and sound
questions and comments. If you have any further interest in these
theories and would like to correspond by private email, please feel free
to do so.
Ps. that goes for anyone else who has read this far and would like to
correspond about non specific loop based concerns mentioned above.

jparada@changenow.com
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No one responded to this when I posted it a while back but it was on a
different thread. Maybe one of you can help me?
Is it possible to convert MIDI note messages from a MIDI device (drum
pads) to MIDI program change messages for the Jamman?
Are there any commercial units (programmable?) available which can do
this?
Alternative: Can I use drum triggers to operate my Jamman instead of
footpedals?






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>No one responded to this when I posted it a while back but it was on a
>different thread. Maybe one of you can help me?
>Is it possible to convert MIDI note messages from a MIDI device (drum
>pads) to MIDI program change messages for the Jamman?
>Are there any commercial units (programmable?) available which can do
>this?

This could be done easily in software with opcode's MAX, but then you'd be
stuck with having to take a computer to gigs. Don't know about a hardware
device that would do it though.



________________________________________________________
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"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
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> No one responded to this when I posted it a while back but it was on a
> different thread. Maybe one of you can help me?
> Is it possible to convert MIDI note messages from a MIDI device (drum
> pads) to MIDI program change messages for the Jamman?

I believe the software known as Max (distributed by Opcode for the Macintosh
and, I think, IRCAM (the Paris-based music research facility) for NeXT and
SGI) may be able to do this.  However you will need a computer (Macintosh, 
NeXT, or SGI).  For live gigs, folks have successfully used Mac Powerbooks 
to run Max.  

Cheers,
Paolo


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At 15:01 -0700 5/5/98, Paolo Valladolid wrote:
> > No one responded to this when I posted it a while back but it was on a
> > different thread. Maybe one of you can help me?
> > Is it possible to convert MIDI note messages from a MIDI device (drum
> > pads) to MIDI program change messages for the Jamman?
>
> I believe the software known as Max (distributed by Opcode for the Macintosh
> and, I think, IRCAM (the Paris-based music research facility) for NeXT and
> SGI) may be able to do this.  However you will need a computer (Macintosh,
> NeXT, or SGI).  For live gigs, folks have successfully used Mac Powerbooks
> to run Max.


I work for Opcode so I don't want to dis the software solution entirely :)
but it does seem like overkill for changing bytes like "9x kk vv" into "Cx
kk".  Sure, there are plenty of other great things to do with Max once
you've got it ... :)

I haven't gotten around to installing my Peavey PC-1600's 2.0 software
update yet, but one of the new features is: you can send it a program
change or note on/off and have that trigger one of the 16 buttons, which in
turn can send any MIDI string you like.  That would do the trick.

The PC-1600 is a really wonderful general-purpose piece of gear.  I use it
for editing synth patches on the fly, starting/stopping the
(computer-based) sequencer, triggering sampled loops live, controlling
volumes ... now if I only had an effects processor that had anything
resembling good realtime control ... (my current looper is a Sony DPS-D7
which has some real cool multitap delay patches, but it's noisy, only has
2.7 seconds, and has a very broken MIDI implementation).

Doug

(Andre and Dave T: your music arrived today ... just starting to listen ... !)


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> No one responded to this when I posted it a while back but it was on a
> different thread. Maybe one of you can help me?
> Is it possible to convert MIDI note messages from a MIDI device (drum
> pads) to MIDI program change messages for the Jamman?

perhaps one of those "old" anatek pocket solution midi things will do
it????
i seem to remember one of them doing translation.
also - search a Craig Anderton site or 'projects for electronic musicians'
type book - perhaps he's got a schematic whereby you can make one or have
it made...??


also check the below pages - there's a company called 'midi solutions', too

http://www.midi-classics.com

http://www.midi-classics.com/hardm.htm#53

> Alternative: Can I use drum triggers to operate my Jamman instead of
> footpedals?

should be feasible - if they send out a pulse, might be the wrong polarity,
though or the JM may need a latch type switch

peace, andre'


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> I believe the software known as Max (distributed by Opcode for the Macintosh
> and, I think, IRCAM (the Paris-based music research facility) for NeXT and
> SGI) may be able to do this.  However you will need a computer (Macintosh,
> NeXT, or SGI).  For live gigs, folks have successfully used Mac Powerbooks
> to run Max.

can anyone tell me what this would cost? How much for Max, and how much for an 
appropriate Powerbook?

michael peters                   mpeters@csi.com
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sorry about the simplicity of this question, but i cant find my 'plex manual
amongst the piles of stuff here... what's the procedure for re-initializing
all plex parameters on startup? i cant seem to get insert to do 'reverse'
mode>>>thanks!


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At 2:27 AM -0400 5/6/98, CORROSIVE wrote:
>sorry about the simplicity of this question, but i cant find my 'plex manual
>amongst the piles of stuff here... what's the procedure for re-initializing
>all plex parameters on startup?

hold the parameter button down when you power up, keep it held until you
get to the reset state. takes about 7 seconds.

> i cant seem to get insert to do 'reverse'
>mode>>>thanks!

go to "Insert mode" parameter, change it to reverse. (looks like REU on the
display.)

kim




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Hi all

I'm using my 2 plexes in a stereo pair both slaved to a MMT8 Midi clock

MMT>>>Plex 1 in, plex 1 out>>>Plex 2 in
exactely the same settings on the 2 plexes
plex 1 2 sync in
one footswitch to plex 1
boss vol ped as feedback controler
plex 1 2 brother synced

Here are some problems I have

1- when leaving the brother sync plugged at power on, the plexes refuses
to boot

2-when leaving the brother sync plugged at power off, the current state
of the settings seems to not being saved properly (looks like Peter
harlan's problem "Subject: EDP problem solved?")

3- when you are in sync in (slaved to midi clock) and decide to stop the
seq (nomore midi clock).
Perform a record  (without resetting the loop) : the slave  sometimes
starts recording something like 0.5  sec later which creates a serious
mess. This happens also after a loop reset but lesser
also when you stop or loose midi sync the 2 plexes desyncronize very
fast specially if you perform footswitch presses
Work around: when you stop a synced use of the plex never forget to
reprogram the sync parameter to off

BTW the normal synced use of plexes works very fine the problem is when
you loose or cut the sync

4- when the feedback pedal is plugged in normaly the loop/delay gives
you 3 possibilities loop, del, out. In stereo mode the slave doesnt get
the 3; only loop and del

Wishlist if ever...the plex will get another update

assign one midi contr per function with the value beeing the  different
options, a second set of values could be long presses
a reset all edits controler would reset the plex to a known state ( to
start clean for the next tune)
protect the midi row parameters by some double button presses
a function that could cut out a new shorter cycle out of a longer loop
or cycle
this last one needs more information than I have the time for today so
I'll be back..

Bonne journe


Claude


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In these computer-age times, what about long-distance collaborations?  What about MIDI files sent out over e-mail?

Javier Miranda V.
Berkeley, CA


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I've recently been reading posts where people in different parts of the
country are looking for other similarly inclined musicians to make noise
with... I was wondering if anybody knows a way of hooking up w/people locally
without each one of us having to post and say where we are? by the way, i'm
looking to put a band/project together in Portland, OR.
thanks
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>
>can anyone tell me what this would cost? How much for Max, and how much for an
>appropriate Powerbook?
>
I believe MAX is about $400, it's been years since I bought my copy. It'll
run on a pretty lowly computer, I did lots of stuff with it on a 25 Mhz
68030 Mac IIsi, so you don't need much of a powerbook to run it. I've seen
PB 140's for ~$300 lately.

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together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
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Mathias

I had the same problem

the solution: use the phone to finish the transaction

Claude



Mattias Ribbing wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Does anyone here know what is going on at Bananas At Large? I was in
> contact with Rick Elswit (via his private email) a while ago. And then I
> told him I wanted to order the 'plex and since then he hasn't answered me
> (though he said earlier that they would be willing to ship me one). I also
> tried bananas@bananas.com but I get no response. Is it just me they are
> ignoring or?
>
> Does anyone know any other stores in the US who would be willing to ship an
> Echoplex to Europe? Addresses?
>
> Thanks,
> Mattias "Getting desperate for that 'plex" Ribbing (Sweden)






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Greetings!

Just wanted to let everyone know that the Looper CD Vol 2 web page has been
updated (including complete track listing).  We except the CD to be
available for mass consumption mid-June.  Stay tuned!

The page can be found at:  http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/Looper_CD.html

Thanks!

Matt
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hello to loopers delight. my name is carlo poloni, gutar player, based
in geneva switzerland.

the question i'd like to submit to this community is the following.
i guess it's a simple one but i could not find a tip in loopers delight
archives.

i was just about to order an echoplex from the states, since oberheim is
no more imported in switzerland, when i came across the boomerang at my
local music retailer. one really cool function of the rang is reverse.
it really turned me on.

this raised a question about the reverse function of the echoplex. to
activate the function, i nedd to press - if my understanding is correct
- three times the "parameters" switch, so as to change the function of
the "undo" switch to "reverse". this is not very practical on stage,
when performing solos in real time and suddenly wanting to reverse this
cool chord or riff.

so the question is. is there a way to activate "reverse" (and
inactivate) with a single foot movement, so as on the boomerang, and how
to ?

could you indicate how to, for instance, customize the efc7 footpedal,
indicating how to rewire it, or suggest another simple way around ?

i am ok with opening boxes, rewiring a few cables and soldering if need
be.

thanks a lot, it's great to meet you on this site !

carlo poloni


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hello to loopers delight. my name is carlo poloni, gutar player, based
in geneva switzerland.

the question i'd like to submit to this community is the following.
i guess it's a simple one but i could not find a tip in loopers delight
archives.

i was just about to order an echoplex from the states, since oberheim is
no more imported in switzerland, when i came across the boomerang at my
local music retailer. one really cool function of the rang is reverse.
it really turned me on.

this raised a question about the reverse function of the echoplex. to
activate the function, i nedd to press - if my understanding is correct
- three times the "parameters" switch, so as to change the function of
the "undo" switch to "reverse". this is not very practical on stage,
when performing solos in real time and suddenly wanting to reverse this
cool chord or riff.

so the question is. is there a way to activate "reverse" (and
inactivate) with a single foot movement, so as on the boomerang, and how
to ?

could you indicate how to, for instance, customize the efc7 footpedal,
indicating how to rewire it, or suggest another simple way around ?

i am ok with opening boxes, rewiring a few cables and soldering if need
be.

thanks a lot, it's great to meet you on this site !

carlo poloni



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yeah, we though about that one. 

You just set the InsertMode parameter to "reverse", and then the insert
button becomes the reverse button, and you always have reverse available on
a button.

kim


At 02:28 AM 5/7/98 +0200, you wrote:
>hello to loopers delight. my name is carlo poloni, gutar player, based
>in geneva switzerland.
>
>the question i'd like to submit to this community is the following.
>i guess it's a simple one but i could not find a tip in loopers delight
>archives.
>
>i was just about to order an echoplex from the states, since oberheim is
>no more imported in switzerland, when i came across the boomerang at my
>local music retailer. one really cool function of the rang is reverse.
>it really turned me on.
>
>this raised a question about the reverse function of the echoplex. to
>activate the function, i nedd to press - if my understanding is correct
>- three times the "parameters" switch, so as to change the function of
>the "undo" switch to "reverse". this is not very practical on stage,
>when performing solos in real time and suddenly wanting to reverse this
>cool chord or riff.
>
>so the question is. is there a way to activate "reverse" (and
>inactivate) with a single foot movement, so as on the boomerang, and how
>to ?
>
>could you indicate how to, for instance, customize the efc7 footpedal,
>indicating how to rewire it, or suggest another simple way around ?
>
>i am ok with opening boxes, rewiring a few cables and soldering if need
>be.
>
>thanks a lot, it's great to meet you on this site !
>
>carlo poloni
>
>
>
>
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Matt Rowe wrote:

>2) the link to "andy butler's vortex page" on the looper's delight page
>is dead.  is there any chance anyone has a copy of the presets there?
>i'm having absolutely no problems coming up with weird and inspiring
>patches for this thing, i'm just wondering what other people are using
>their vortecies for.


Andy had a very nice Vortex website.  I hope he starts it again, sometime
soon.

Here are the patches that I found on it in August 1997:

Name: Underwater
Algorithm:       13 - Shadow A
Mix:                          32
Output:                     64
Mod FX Level:         5
Echo FX Level:       64
Morph A/B:             Any
Envelope:                 5
Echo 1:                     1
Echo 2:                     4
Feedback 1:            53
Feedback 2:            10
Rate 1:                       2
Depth 1:                   62
Resonance 1:          64
Rate 2:                      46
Depth 2:                    50
Resonance 2:           63
Created by:  Andy Butler
Comments:  Tape echo broken up into 4 time stereo, plus synth noises in the
background. (Mod FX Level to make them louder.)

Name: Background wash
Algorithm:                 15 - Bleen A
Mix:                            42
Output:                       64
Mod FX Level:          64
Echo FX Level:         64
Morph A/B:                Any
Envelope:                  1
Echo 1:                      1
Echo 2:                      1
Feedback 1:             38
Feedback 2:             1
Rate 1:                       2
Depth 1:                    64
Resonance 1:           62
Rate 2:                        3
Depth 2:                    64
Resonance 2:           64
Created by:  Andy Butler
Comments:  Flutter echoes produced by the resonator.  RES 1 controls their
regeneration.  ENVELOPE will pitch shift them.

Name: Autowah
Algorithm:                12 - Sweep A
Mix:                           32
Output:                      64
Mod FX Level:         64
Echo FX Level:         1
Morph A/B:               Any
Envelope:                 36
Echo 1:                     Any
Echo 2:                     Any
Feedback 1:            Any
Feedback 2:             Any
Rate 1:                       2
Depth 1:                    37
Resonance 1:           50
Rate 2:                      Any
Depth 2:                    1
Resonance 2:            50
Created by:  Andy Butler
Comments:  Set RATE 1 to 1 when the best wah occurs.

Name: Roaring
Algorithm:                  6 - Mosaic B
Mix:                             64
Output:                        64
Mod FX Level:           16
Echo FX Level:          64
Morph A/B:                 Any
Envelope:                   1
Echo 1:                       5
Echo 2:                       5
Feedback 1:              24
Feedback 2:              21
Rate 1:                        55
Depth 1:                      42
Resonance 1:             60
Rate 2:                        58
Depth 2:                      61
Resonance 2:             62
Created by:  Andy Butler
Comments:  Kind of organic-industrial.  Good on simple rhythms.

Name: Mobius
Algorithm:                 2 - Atmosphere B    9 - Deja Vu B
Mix:                           64                               64
Output:                      64                               64
Mod FX Level:         64                               64
Echo FX Level:        64                               64
Morph A/B:               20                               50
Envelope:                  2                                  1
Echo 1:                      3                                  3
Echo 2:                      4                                  4
Feedback 1:             61                               64
Feedback 2:              1                                  3
Rate 1:                        3                                13
Depth 1:                    33                                33
Resonance 1:           45                                45
Rate 2:                       24                               24
Depth 2:                     16                               55
Resonance 2:             2                                64
Created by:  Andy Butler
Comments:  Build up a polyrhythmic loop then the morph re-orders it into a
7/8 twisted loop which gradually decomposes.

Name: ?
Algorithm:                 Mosaic A                   Mosaic B
Mix:                           64                                64
Output:                      64                                64
Mod FX Level:         64                                64
Echo FX Level:        12                                 5
Morph A/B:               22                                64
Envelope:                  16                                 1
Echo 1:                      4                                  16
Echo 2:                      6                                   16
Feedback 1:             30                                 28
Feedback 2:             30                                 28
Rate 1:                       41                                22
Depth 1:                     64                                57
Resonance 1:            64                                1
Rate 2:                       19                                12
Depth 2:                     30                                34
Resonance 2:            7                                  64
Created by:  Mark Kata
Comments:  Pedal controls morph.  One side of the morph includes sine wave
feedback that almost obliterates the input signal.

I hope you find these patches useful.

Also, you may want to check the e-mail archives on Loopers-Delight.
Occasionally, loopers submitted Vortex patches.

Mark Kata
Mark@asisoftware.com




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ciao

>Is it possible to convert MIDI note messages from a MIDI device (drum
>pads) to MIDI program change messages for the Jamman?

i think with a Drumkat or a Roland old Octapad or the new one SPD-11 or 20,
you can program each pad to send a different program change, so it will be
easy to control the Jamman.
I think i will buy one in the future to control my Jamman with my sticks.
And you can control sampler, sound modules, .....

Ciao nic





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how 'bout the ticket to Paris/London?

smaug@servidor.unam.mx wrote:
> 
>     I´ll be in Paris and London next month (vacation,sort of) ,I´d love to
> meet Loopers located there,we could Jam,loop, and maybe go to a gig or
> two,I´m not asking for shelter :-) just for 3 hours of an
> afternoon,besides,beer is on me!
> 
>   smaug.


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vortex with box and manuals $200 OBO.


rich
513 861 1687


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On Wed, 6 May 1998, Finley Sound Design wrote:

> Just wanted to let everyone know that the Looper CD Vol 2 web page has been
> updated (including complete track listing).  We except the CD to be
> available for mass consumption mid-June.  Stay tuned!

I hate to be a newbie but what ever happened to the looper CD#1. I was on
the list years ago and sent email a couple times to the guy running it and
then never heard another thing. Was it ever completed?  If so does anyone
have a copy?

Sorry if this is old news but I didn't see anyhting about it on the
pages...

thanks for any info.

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At 11:33 -0400 5/7/98, David Talento wrote:
> I hate to be a newbie but what ever happened to the looper CD#1. I was on
> the list years ago and sent email a couple times to the guy running it and
> then never heard another thing. Was it ever completed?  If so does anyone
> have a copy?
>
> Sorry if this is old news but I didn't see anyhting about it on the
> pages...


For that matter ... John Peters, who's organizing #3, seems to have gone
incommunicado too ...

Hello, John???  (deepest apologies for yanking your chain onlist ....)

Doug


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Has anyone seen anything about the new banana-yellow DODgitech RP3?  As
seems to be the trend with these little floormounts it has a phrasetrainer.
 However this one seems to have footpedal control for it, and bearing in
mind the new Digitech looper (however deep its faults) we may be looking at
a basic integrated looper.

Perhaps.   ;)

Michael

PS On a non-Loop, HOldsworth-related note, was anyone interested in the
2-note-per-chord version of Home I mentioned?  It's a bit long to type but
I could mail (privately of course) the intro chords to get the idea over.

 Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ 
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At 11:33 AM -0400 5/7/98, David Talento wrote:
>On Wed, 6 May 1998, Finley Sound Design wrote:
>
>> Just wanted to let everyone know that the Looper CD Vol 2 web page has been
>> updated (including complete track listing).  We except the CD to be
>> available for mass consumption mid-June.  Stay tuned!
>
>I hate to be a newbie but what ever happened to the looper CD#1. I was on
>the list years ago and sent email a couple times to the guy running it and
>then never heard another thing. Was it ever completed?  If so does anyone
>have a copy?

That would be Ray Peck. He popped up several months ago to say he still had
everything and would be working on it shortly, but then he disappeared
again. No signs of him since. It's probably time to hunt him down again,
and maybe get the project to somebody else to manage. Anybody have his
email handy and want to try and rouse him? I think he still has people's
checks to pay for it too.....

kim

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Greetings all;
After Doug's chain yanking, thought I should reply.  thanks Doug.  
To date the project has received numerous submissions, some of which may not
be up to the quality of the others.  So, I have been trying to determine what
to do with those submissions in a positive way such that we encourage folks
rather than discourage them.  

Secondly, my job has been yanking my chain as well.  FYI, I am a network
engineer for IBM here in Rochester, Mn. (enough said).  

Thirdly, I have been absolutely astounded by some of the submissions.
1)Stefan Keller - flutist extrodinaire.  Can't help but to compare to Ian
Anderson although the genre comes no-where close.  Stefan's understanding of
the Flute is outstanding.  

The first submission: A light hearted piece that dances around.  From single
notes to harmonic accompniament and then on to, a slightly disharmonic fade
out.  Very interesting.  Its name Fool Moon is descriptive of the piece.

The second piece:A chromatic scalar piece with background loops interweaving
its own harmonies.  This piece is aptly named Crazy Queen.
 
Trace Four (Flute Only):  Starts out with a bongo like drum drone. Reminisent
of a very determined walk somewhere or perhaps an insesant rain.  Mid piece
hears flute echos which build up to a out-front flute piece traversing
chromatic scales until the melody finds its way for a brief time until the
bongo like sounds fade the piece.

2)Doug Wyatt, love that out in space feel, the sound of electric guitar in a
bowed manner.  Doug submitted two tracks.  Very esoteric while being very
captivating at the same time.  This first submission would be very much a
must-have for planetariums across the country showing how the universe and or
other orb was created.  The piece gives birth to rhymics in the Mixilodian
mode of happiness, spontinaity.  Very pleasant piece, from relative disorder,
then on to order,  it ends with a look back.

The second submission: Starts in a primordial stew, with sinister intent, but
not overbearing a communications with one's self.  Mid song- There is a
meeting with another sinister entity of which communication carries on until
both are very much enjoying their sinister happening, when at once, there
appears a modal change which ends in a look back to peacefulness.

The Thrid submission: Atonal bell-like harmonies and chord substitutions (jazz
feel) with a solid rhythm, exudes, at times an Eastern feel, with resolve to
major chordal structures.  Slight hesitations, additional melody, and finally
the resolve at the end of the piece after a very prolonged search for the
final note,  ahhhh, not dead yet, the piece ressurrects itself with a little
more clamity (very humerous part) an industrial revival.

That's all for now, work continues on the project albeit slow.  I have begun
work with  a studio engineer on the mix down stage.  Although, we have not,
due to my work schedule been able to meet in person yet.  

Regards;
 <A HREF="mailto:anet@aol.com  (John Peters)">John Peters</A> 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/anet/3rdcd.html">3rd CD Project Page</A>

P.S.  Thanks for the patience,  good things take time and we will ensure this
project is top notch.  Adios for now.  


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> That would be Ray Peck. He popped up several months ago to say he still had
> everything and would be working on it shortly, but then he disappeared
> again. No signs of him since. It's probably time to hunt him down again

his email used to be rpeck@rpeck.com - I've sent him a msg, let's see if he's 
still alive...

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	wow...

great show... far better than the CDs.. they have develpoed their vibe
greatly.. no loops, but some very interactive playing by the boys Fripp,
Belew, Gunn.

Even a smile almost snuck out on ol' Rob's face!!!

Very eclectic buncha sounds, from all quarters... several times you'd hear
bass and it was fripp, or hear that trademark burning guitar and it was
gunn!!! etc. or an ostinato bass line would turn out to be adrian with the
Virtual Drums.....

excellent mix, great variety, from gentle space washes to thundering 
insane rhinos on durms... (wait! there WAS a rhino on drums...! :) )

also got the excellent new Adrian Belew "belewprints"... great stuff -
acoustic songs on piano, guiatr, str. quartet, etc... even 2 crimson/thrak
tunes done naked... (well, on acoustic anyway)...

if you're in long island - go see em on sat at IMAC

andre' east


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Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's
kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming
out anyway?

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Yes! The PC-1600 is great! As far as a real-time, MIDI-controllable
effects unit, I suggest looking at Ensoniq's line of FX, like the DP
series or even one of the sampler's with FX inputs. I got the SYSEX docs
from the company and program my PC-1600 to control up to six or so
parameters per effect.

Sean

Doug Wyatt wrote:
> 
> 
> The PC-1600 is a really wonderful general-purpose piece of gear.  I use it
> for editing synth patches on the fly, starting/stopping the
> (computer-based) sequencer, triggering sampled loops live, controlling
> volumes ... now if I only had an effects processor that had anything
> resembling good realtime control ... (my current looper is a Sony DPS-D7
> which has some real cool multitap delay patches, but it's noisy, only has
> 2.7 seconds, and has a very broken MIDI implementation).
> 
> Doug
> 
> (Andre and Dave T: your music arrived today ... just starting to listen ... !)
> 
> --
>  Doug Wyatt                             doug@sonosphere.com
>  Sonosphere (electric/improv music)     http://www.sonosphere.com/
>  "Accidental Beauties" CD release:      http://www.sonosphere.com/wyatt/


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3rd CD Project Update


Submittors;

Been working the real job too much lately, but that appears to be letting up
some, so I am looking forward to re-engaging into the 3rd cd project again.

In short, I will be contacting the sound engineer to begin some of the mix
down.  Keep in mind that this may take a good deal of time.  As each piece
will be scrutinized for quality standards that meet the rest of the
submissions.  There is still time for you to submit material or resubmit
anything that you would like for consideration.  

If you have a WEB page and you think it will be around for awhile, please send
it to me, and we will include your own promotion via a URL link printed in the
CD jacket liner.  That way, anyone hearing the CD can go to your web page for
more information about you and your products.

We will be donating CDs to Kim's web site for the purpose of Loopers Delight
maintaining a presence on the WEB.  We will roughly follow the guidelines of
the 2nd project.

Thanks for all of the submissions, I am looking forward to producing a top-
notch CD and am honored to work with you.

Regards;

 <A HREF="mailto:anet@aol.com  (John Peters)">John Peters</A>
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At 9:23 AM -0400 5/8/98, ANET wrote:
>down.  Keep in mind that this may take a good deal of time.  As each piece
>will be scrutinized for quality standards that meet the rest of the
>submissions.  There is still time for you to submit material or resubmit
>anything that you would like for consideration.

I guess I don't really get this part. What are the "quality standards", and
who is making judgements for whether a submission meets them or not? Seems
like a rather subjective and potentially touchy area. Do we really feel
it's necessary to make such judgements at all? discuss....

kim

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Claude wrote:
>Hi all
>
>I'm using my 2 plexes in a stereo pair both slaved to a MMT8 Midi clock
>
>MMT>>>Plex 1 in, plex 1 out>>>Plex 2 in
>exactely the same settings on the 2 plexes
>plex 1 2 sync in
>one footswitch to plex 1
>boss vol ped as feedback controler
>plex 1 2 brother synced
>
>Here are some problems I have
>
>1- when leaving the brother sync plugged at power on, the plexes refuses
>to boot

That sounds like you are using the wrong sort of cable for BrotherSync. You
should be using a stereo (TRS) type of cable.

Not booting like this usually means that you have a mono cable in
BrotherSync. Is that it?



>2-when leaving the brother sync plugged at power off, the current state
>of the settings seems to not being saved properly (looks like Peter
>harlan's problem "Subject: EDP problem solved?")

that's weird. Make sure you leave parameters before you turn the power off.
When you edit a parameter, it doesn't save to the eeprom until you press
parameters to exit that row. If you turn off the power before that, it
won't save. Otherwise, if you are using a mono cable in BrotherSync, maybe
that's it.


>3- when you are in sync in (slaved to midi clock) and decide to stop the
>seq (nomore midi clock).
>Perform a record  (without resetting the loop) : the slave  sometimes
>starts recording something like 0.5  sec later which creates a serious
>mess. This happens also after a loop reset but lesser
>also when you stop or loose midi sync the 2 plexes desyncronize very
>fast specially if you perform footswitch presses
>Work around: when you stop a synced use of the plex never forget to
>reprogram the sync parameter to off
>
>BTW the normal synced use of plexes works very fine the problem is when
>you loose or cut the sync

Wow! looks like you found a real problem here. Seems like a situation we
overlooked somehow. (damn lazy beta testers!  :-) )   I guess we'll have to
try to figure out a fix for that. And congratulations, this is the first
bug report we've had on the v5.0 software! If we ever have Aurisis coffee
mugs or something, I'll send you one. :-)

For now, if you need this situation, try these workarounds:

- change Sync parameter to "off" or "out" if you turn the midi clock off,
as you noted.

- reset the loop first before recording another, rather than recording it
directly.

- don't turn the midi clock off, if that's possible. (maybe switch to an
empty sequence and leave it running?)


these are the sort of strange corner cases that make verification of the
echoplex code very, very hard.....


>4- when the feedback pedal is plugged in normaly the loop/delay gives
>you 3 possibilities loop, del, out. In stereo mode the slave doesnt get
>the 3; only loop and del

yeah, that one is sort of weird due to the way "out" mode is handled.
("Out" mode is just like loop mode, except the pedal controls the loop
output volume instead of feedback. sort of like a mix control at your
feet.)

The plex detects if there is a pedal plugged in and enables the "out"
parameter value if there is. Out mode is then handled in analog. The pedal
is used to set a control voltage on a VCA, which sets the loop volume. So
there are two problems with stereo here. One is that the slave doesn't
detect any pedal so it doesn't show "Out" as a parameter value, and
changing the Loop/delay parameter from the master will get them out of
whack. Second is that the volume is not being handled digitally, so there
is no way for the master to set the slave's volume. So even if we did dream
up a way for the master to tell the slave about the pedal over midi, we
still wouldn't have a way for it to control the volume there.

some ideas:

- use midi cont controller pedal for feedback, so that neither of them has
the pedal plugged in, and neither shows "out". Naturally, this only applies
if you don't want to use the "out" mode.

- use a stereo pedal and have one output plugged into each echoplex, so
that both detect the pedal and both show "out". This would be the thing if
you want "out" mode on a stereo setup.

- just live with it. When you change the mode parameter on the master make
sure you also change the parameter directly on the slave so that they have
the same value. This also applies only when you don't want the out mode.
(this is what I do, btw)


>Wishlist if ever...the plex will get another update
>
>assign one midi contr per function with the value beeing the  different
>options, a second set of values could be long presses

yes, I want that one too. it's on the list.....


>a reset all edits controler would reset the plex to a known state ( to
>start clean for the next tune)

got a better plan for that one.  :-)


>protect the midi row parameters by some double button presses

hmmmm.....Do you find that you accidently change midi parameters or
something like that? This is the sort of feature that risks being confusing
more often than it is useful....


>a function that could cut out a new shorter cycle out of a longer loop
>or cycle
>this last one needs more information than I have the time for today so
>I'll be back..

That's already there! Multiply-record. That's what we call "unrounded
multiply", which allows you to make a new loop length, either shorter or
longer than the original. (basically allows you to multiply by non-integer
amounts.) So by pressing multiply at the beginning of the section you want,
and Record at the end of the section, you will cut out that part and have a
new loop. Is that what you mean?


Thanks for the suggestions! they are always welcome.

We'll probably do another upgrade for the current echoplex hardware
someday. (not for a long while though, we need a rest from this thing!) So
feel free to make suggestions. Many of the ideas in there now came from
users. Your's could be next.....

Before you get too eager (I know, it's hard...:-) ), here are some things
that will never happen in this hardware, so don't suggest them: any sort of
pitch warping knob, filters of any sort, time expansion/contraction,
modulation effects, or any other sort of signal processing that requires a
dsp chip that is not there; polyphany or simultaneous loops; stereo in one
echoplex (no amount of software will add another audio path!); or
functional execution with midi program change messages (we have other plans
for those).

That being said, any other ideas that fit the echoplex feature set, we love
to hear about 'em!

kim


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Just a quick comment(and late) on the Philly Projekt Two show...
  
The music was great, but Mr. Fripp decided to cut the show short by omitting
the encore. During the second part, some idiot thought it would be best to
disregard Trey's announcement concerning no flash pictures, recorders, etc. He
took a flash and it pissed off Robert badly. He walked off the stage for a few
minutes. At the end, Robert came back out to address the audience, as he often
does, and was suprised once again by another flash...right before he was about
to speak!!! He left the stage and the band walked out with him. No encore.
Very disappointing. Apparently, some folks can not attend a show and
appreciate the musicianship of the band without having to indulge in the $6.00
glasses of beer sold in the lobby...which after quite a few, makes them
stupid. Anyone see this show??? Any comments???


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Hi y`all!   I got a gig on wednesday and my jamman has gotten ill. 
I REALLY need advice on what to do.  Here goes:

When I plug in the powersupply the led shows  18+  for a second or two. Then
It goes blank and the machine shuts down. This is not due to the powersuppl itself , I checked with the vortex  p.supply and it did the same thing. When this had gone on for a while I decided to let the Jamman (now a jamInfant) rest , unplugged the patchcables and continued to work with the Vortex.

 After about 15-20 minutes the Jamman miraculously turned itself on(!). I had left the
powersupply in the whole time on now the thing seemed to work. I hooked up the patch cables and played through the JamDude again. The sound that came out was very distorted
(i think you`d call it digital clipping). It sounded like Nine Inch Nails and I actually liked it. But we all know its not supposed to be a distortion unit so I got really worried. I turned the MIX knob all the way down and kept playing. Now the straight guitarsignal  sounded fine. Then , after a few more minutes of this everything worked again. I played for maybe an hour or two.
Then the problems returned and the whole cycle started over again. 

All this might be brought on by one particular change in the Jamdude`s life. Just before I hooked up the boys (Jamman and Vortex) and tried to play I  put them in a 2 unit rackbag from Rocktron.  This bag was a bit too small , the "roof and floor" were leaning slightly inwards , making it necesary for me to use force to fit the two processors to the screwholes.

Could this have made them "overheat" in some way ???

Another thing I can think of is that the night before I rehearsed with a band and things got a bit loud. Could this result in a fuse blowing??  (Im way out of my league here , only guessing..)

Anyway , I hope you fine ppl can help me , I really need it.

Yours , Thomas





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About the compilation CD #1 ...
Ray Peck [rpeck@rpeck.com] who is in charge of this project asked me to pass 
this along:

>The CD is done.  The credits/cover aren't, 'cause people didn't give me
>complete info. I'll soon post the credits that I have, for people to fix up, 
and
>then I'll get the disks out.
>I'm going to put the cover art on the CDs (CD-Plus), so that people can
>duplicate their own and print original cover art for the copies if they
>want.

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Hey - 

don't know who it was in the past few days was posting about converting /
controlling MIDI devices using drum pads...

Just came across some "New old stock" (new in the box, original but never
shipped [until now] to music stores) AKAI ME35T Audio to Midi converters...
they accept up to 8 trigger inputs (mics, drum pads... I think it'll take
anything with a 1/4" plug) and convert to MIDI signals. 

These things are $79.00. I picked up 2 (and I may want to sell one later) and
the store I picked them up from has 2 left. It's in Minneapolis, it's called
Music -Go-Round, and they are at (612) 822-7602. They are pretty cool about
selling over the phone. They look pretty bad-ass - I can't wait to get home
and hook them up!!! 

- Bill 
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In a message dated 5/8/98 3:38:04 PM Central Daylight Time, hovard@online.no
writes:

> 
>  When I plug in the powersupply the led shows  18+  for a second or two.
Then
>  It goes blank and the machine shuts down. This is not due to the powersuppl
> itself , I checked with the vortex  p.supply and it did the same thing. When
> this had gone on for a while I decided to let the Jamman (now a jamInfant) 
> rest , unplugged the patchcables and continued to work with the Vortex.
>  
>   After about 15-20 minutes the Jamman miraculously turned itself on(!). I 
> had left the
>  powersupply in the whole time on now the thing seemed to work. I hooked up 
> the patch cables and played through the JamDude again. 

At this point, it sounds like a power problem.  Any time lights blink, the
power supply is being interrupted somehow.  Either you are shorting voltage
level to ground or there is a break in a circuit board of which an open
circuit is occurring.  Pull the cover off, you'll need torx screwdrivers,
then probe around on the back by jiggling anything that is attached to the
board.  If you can consistantly recreate the blinking, then you have found the
problem. Take a soldering iron and resolder that part.

>The sound that came out was very distorted
>  (i think you`d call it digital clipping). It sounded like Nine Inch Nails 
> and I actually liked it. But we all know its not supposed to be a distortion
> unit so I got really worried. I turned the MIX knob all the way down and
kept 
> playing. Now the straight guitarsignal  sounded fine. Then , after a few
more 
> minutes of this everything worked again. I played for maybe an hour or two.
>  Then the problems returned and the whole cycle started over again. 

Not sure what would cause this, but if there is a voltage problem as with the
lights, perhaps there's a shunt to a part which is getting more voltage than
necessary.  Fix the blinking lights first and then see what happens.  


>  All this might be brought on by one particular change in the Jamdude`s
life. 
> Just before I hooked up the boys (Jamman and Vortex) and tried to play I
put 
> them in a 2 unit rackbag from Rocktron.  This bag was a bit too small , the
"
> roof and floor" were leaning slightly inwards , making it necesary for me to
> use force to fit the two processors to the screwholes.
>  
>  Could this have made them "overheat" in some way ???

Not likely.  If you want to test for overheating, you can buy a can of freeze
which will cool parts you suspect of getting too hot.  Sometimes this will
allow you to zero in on a defective part. You may have to replace some parts.

>  Another thing I can think of is that the night be fore I rehearsed with a 
> band and things got a bit loud. Could this result in a fuse blowing??  (Im 
> way out of my league here , only guessing..)

Unfortunately, a blown fuse would have a different symptom namely, no power to
the unit.
You only hope is to take the cover off and start wiggling components while the
power is applied.  Hopefully you'll be able to isolate the problem. 

Get a can of contact cleaner, and with the cover off, spray all of your
potentiohmeter's insides.  From there make sure your stereo cords are all ok,
and then take your footpedal apart and spray it heavily.  Let it dry and put
it all back together. 

I had a blinking light problem a while back which turned out to be a dirty
foot controller which was acting like a non-debounced switch.  

Regards.
John Peters


  


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Anyone have one?  a rack space sampler that lets you do 4 6 second loops
or 2 12 second loops for $225.  Anyone know whatn it sounds like?  Worth
the buy?  I am going to buy another delay device of some kind, and i
dont have enough money for an echoplex.  Now i have a boss dd5 and i
have been thinking about the electroharmonix memory man.  Any thoughts?

thanks,
Jay
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>Anyone have one?  a rack space sampler that lets you do 4 6 second loops
>or 2 12 second loops for $225.  Anyone know whatn it sounds like?  Worth
>the buy?  I am going to buy another delay device of some kind, and i
>dont have enough money for an echoplex.  Now i have a boss dd5 and i
>have been thinking about the electroharmonix memory man.  Any thoughts?

we had some discussion about it a couple of weeks ago, which is
unfortunately not available on the web or in the archives yet. The person
here who reviewed it wasn't very favorable. Since everyone else probably
already saw that, I'll send it to you private. If anyone else wants a copy,
let me know.

kim

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At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote:
>Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's
>kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming
>out anyway?
>
>C H R I S
>
>MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders
>Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list
>Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu
>


Where can I find it?

thank you

ciao
leo



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At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote:
>Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's
>kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming
>out anyway?
>
>C H R I S
>
>MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders
>Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list
>Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu
>
>

Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to
recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do all the
breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good results.
I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick parts and
looping. 
The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece of the
drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns)  but using parts of
a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and then
reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method.
  
I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's with me?
I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web page as a
really good example to listen if you like this kind of music. 

ciao
leo




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In a message dated 5/8/98 9:13:48 AM, Sean wrote:

>As far as a real-time, MIDI-controllable
>effects unit, I suggest looking at Ensoniq's line of FX, like the DP
>series (snip)
I've been very pleased with the modulation options of the DP/Pro (not many
sources or destinations possible, but DEEP parameter lists and far-out
ranges), but find the Dp-2 quite glitchy and potentially noisy when
(particularly gain-related) parameters are modulated. The most versatile unit
I've seen for modulation via MIDI or otherwise is the tc G-Force, which allows
over 20 mod destinations per patch and has many cool source options including
dynamics, ASDRs, LFOs, ext pedals and all MIDI of course, plus very graphic
and intuitive set-up menus. Their FireworX (which is built on the same basic
OS as the G-F) appears to be even more comprehensive, with modulatable
modulators, and even a little mod sequencer. The Lexicon MPX-1 only allows 5
destinations per patch, but it has similar source flexibility to the tc stuff
and will also send MIDI control messages to other units at the same time.
dpc


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> From: Salazzar2 <Salazzar2@aol.com>

> Just a quick comment(and late) on the Philly Projekt Two show...
>   
> The music was great, but Mr. Fripp decided to cut the show short by
omitting
> the encore. During the second part, some idiot thought it would be best
to
> disregard Trey's announcement concerning no flash pictures, recorders,
etc. He
> took a flash and it pissed off Robert badly. He walked off the stage for
a few


yeah - i also forgot...at the end of the NYC show - they came out for an
encore - crimson's thrak done bizarrely (great!!) and then left - the crowd
was insane ---half of them left, but i've not seen a more rabid bunch in
ages. So we screamed and hooted and clapped, for several minutes, the
tension built, as the lights stayed off.... there seemed to be a chance for
a 2nd encore.. then at long last - the house lights went up..(boohoo)..

So you'd think we'd all go home happy, right..? NO! Some asshole yelled
REAL LOUD, very audibly to anyone near the backstage area..

F U C K  Y O U !!!!!!!

as if they OWED us a 2nd encore. everyone in the small remaining crowd
shook their heads in disbelief - it was a negative downer to a great show,
if only for a minute...

so the moral is - even in these "intellectual" crowds, there's always a
shithead.

andre'


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and..

but..

don't miss 

David Torn
Vernon Reid
Elliott Sharp


at the 

KNITTING FACTORY
74 Leonard St
212-219-3006


Fri MAy 15 (next friday!!!)
8:30 and 11pm

**don't miss it!!! the show in march was incredible!! Go! go !!

(or at least tap in to the live net-feed on http://www.knittingfactory.com
)

see ya .. andre'

[i myself won't be there.. i'm gigging in NJ that nite...sigh]

Enigma With Attitude http://www.monmouth.com/~andre


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Thanks.  What about the memory man?

Jay

Chuck Zwicky wrote:

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> I have on loan from a local pro-audio dealer the new DOD Dimension 12.
> As a "looping device" it has serious flaws.
>
> I'll be brief:
>
> Wall Wart.
>
> Audio is mono.
>
> No level indication of any kind.
>
> Has a mono Hi-Z input jack, a stereo line level input, but only MONO output.
> (actually ther are 2 outputs, but one is labled "Main" and the other
> "Monitor" they allow auditioning samples out one, and routing through input
> audio to the other.)
>
> You can record four 6-second samples, which can be looped.
>
> You can play either 1 & 2 or 3 & 4 simultaneously (2 voice polyphony)
>
> You cannot listen to one sample while recording another.
>
> You cannot overdub on a sample.
>
> The 4 big buttons on the front panel do not play the stored samples, they
> 'select' them THEN you can press the 'play' button....
>
> Samples can be played backwards.
>
> Pressing the delay mode button wipes the sample memory.
>
> Delay has infinite hold mode. ("loop" button on front).
>
> Delay time cannot be adjusted with a knob, so no tuning of 'loops'.
>
> Modulation of delay is 'destructive' in 'loop' mode. (If you apply
> modulation to the held delay loop, it is now a permanent corruption of the
> signal.)
>
> MIDI input only receives program change data.
>
> MIDI input only controls "sampler' functions (not delay functions).
>
> Has a footswitch input, 3 button proprietary. In delay mode said to control
> "sample/hold" (maybe the same as the 'loop' button on the front panel?),
> 'Tap" and "effect on/off" (the  "effect" button on the front panel turns
> the modulation on).
>
> 'Looped' delay cannot be edited, reversed or copied into a Sample location.
>
> Delay has a 'Tap-Tempo' feature, tapping slower tempos will 'multiply'
> current loop (as on Jam-Man).
>
> Has a nice 'reverse delay' mode which samples input signal for the selected
> delay length, and plays it out backwards, during which time it mutes the
> dry signal.
>
> No loop, feedback or modulation while in reverse.
>
> Delay time only adjustable in 10ms increments up to 10s, then 100ms.
>
> Kim,
>  This device has a LONG way to go before it could be very useful to anyone
> here. For instance: If you could play 4 samples simultaneously, record and
> trim samples while the others played, trigger samples with MIDI or
> footswitches,
> copy delay loops into samples, reverse the delay while overdubbing, use
> audio inputs to trigger samples, even stereo direct signal pass through.
>
> Please imagine what you would like to be able to do with the box in a
> performance setting, then re-read the review and this reply.
>
> -Chuck Zwicky
>
>
> At 11:03 PM 5/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >Anyone have one?  a rack space sampler that lets you do 4 6 second loops
> >or 2 12 second loops for $225.  Anyone know whatn it sounds like?  Worth
> >the buy?  I am going to buy another delay device of some kind, and i
> >dont have enough money for an echoplex.  Now i have a boss dd5 and i
> >have been thinking about the electroharmonix memory man.  Any thoughts?
> >
> >thanks,
> >Jay
> >http://members.aol.com/Eddie96848/gig.htm
> >The Wax Dolls & Funk The Industry Records
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >



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> I have on loan from a local pro-audio dealer the new DOD Dimension 12.
> As a "looping device" it has serious flaws.
>
> I'll be brief:
>
> Wall Wart.
>
> Audio is mono.
>
> No level indication of any kind.
>
> Has a mono Hi-Z input jack, a stereo line level input, but only MONO output.
> (actually ther are 2 outputs, but one is labled "Main" and the other
> "Monitor" they allow auditioning samples out one, and routing through input
> audio to the other.)
>
> You can record four 6-second samples, which can be looped.
>
> You can play either 1 & 2 or 3 & 4 simultaneously (2 voice polyphony)
>
> You cannot listen to one sample while recording another.
>
> You cannot overdub on a sample.
>
> The 4 big buttons on the front panel do not play the stored samples, they
> 'select' them THEN you can press the 'play' button....
>
> Samples can be played backwards.
>
> Pressing the delay mode button wipes the sample memory.
>
> Delay has infinite hold mode. ("loop" button on front).
>
> Delay time cannot be adjusted with a knob, so no tuning of 'loops'.
>
> Modulation of delay is 'destructive' in 'loop' mode. (If you apply
> modulation to the held delay loop, it is now a permanent corruption of the
> signal.)
>
> MIDI input only receives program change data.
>
> MIDI input only controls "sampler' functions (not delay functions).
>
> Has a footswitch input, 3 button proprietary. In delay mode said to control
> "sample/hold" (maybe the same as the 'loop' button on the front panel?),
> 'Tap" and "effect on/off" (the  "effect" button on the front panel turns
> the modulation on).
>
> 'Looped' delay cannot be edited, reversed or copied into a Sample location.
>
> Delay has a 'Tap-Tempo' feature, tapping slower tempos will 'multiply'
> current loop (as on Jam-Man).
>
> Has a nice 'reverse delay' mode which samples input signal for the selected
> delay length, and plays it out backwards, during which time it mutes the
> dry signal.
>
> No loop, feedback or modulation while in reverse.
>
> Delay time only adjustable in 10ms increments up to 10s, then 100ms.
>
> Kim,
>  This device has a LONG way to go before it could be very useful to anyone
> here. For instance: If you could play 4 samples simultaneously, record and
> trim samples while the others played, trigger samples with MIDI or
> footswitches,
> copy delay loops into samples, reverse the delay while overdubbing, use
> audio inputs to trigger samples, even stereo direct signal pass through.
>
> Please imagine what you would like to be able to do with the box in a
> performance setting, then re-read the review and this reply.
>
> -Chuck Zwicky
>
>
> At 11:03 PM 5/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >Anyone have one?  a rack space sampler that lets you do 4 6 second loops
> >or 2 12 second loops for $225.  Anyone know whatn it sounds like?  Worth
> >the buy?  I am going to buy another delay device of some kind, and i
> >dont have enough money for an echoplex.  Now i have a boss dd5 and i
> >have been thinking about the electroharmonix memory man.  Any thoughts?
> >
> >thanks,
> >Jay
> >http://members.aol.com/Eddie96848/gig.htm
> >The Wax Dolls & Funk The Industry Records
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >





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Leo,
     As far as I'm concerned, once you've mapped out your basic backbeat
and layers of breakbeat and bass all that's left is the looping...  and
it is too much fun... A friend and I made some really cool slow-funk
groove a couple days ago by basically following this method, except w/o
a computer... 
     I'd love to have access to software like Cubase and Soundforge but
I'm too poor to care at the moment.  We do our best impersonation by
composing a song on the drum machine, sampling the bits and pieces we
like, playing with a multitap delay (4 continuity I suppose) and then
actively mixing all these different "loops" at mixdown.  We've even been
known to use the MidiSync capability on th Jam Man to insure that we
don't go phase-crazy.
     Hope this gives you a window on what we do...
I'm totally hip to yer ideas leo and would love to hear em.

ciao baby 

Leonardo Cavallo wrote:
> 
> At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote:
> >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's
> >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming
> >out anyway?
> >
> >C H R I S
> >
> >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders
> >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list
> >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu
> >
> >
> 
> Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to
> recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do all the
> breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good results.
> I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick parts and
> looping.
> The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece of the
> drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns)  but using parts of
> a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and then
> reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method.
> 
> I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's with me?
> I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web page as a
> really good example to listen if you like this kind of music.
> 
> ciao
> leo


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>>so the moral is - even in these "intellectual" crowds, there's always a
>>shithead.

FYI, this was the primary reason Fripp disbanded the first Crimson. He got
really sick of concerts being treated as sporting events. I guess he still
is.



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93

---Kim Flint <kflint@chromatic.com> wrote:
> along that jungle with guitars line, I picked up the
Adam F cd "colours" the
> other day. (I think the cd only just became available in
the US.) 
(snip)
 A good album, I recommend it. Also a good
> example of ways you might merge jungle rhythms with more
traditional
> instruments.

Sounds interesting.  Though I would be most interested in
hearing about people who live loop with da jungle beat.

93

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---Cummings <r_t_cummings@csi.com> wrote:

> Is it possible to convert MIDI note messages from a MIDI
device (drum
> pads) to MIDI program change messages for the Jamman?

I am unaware of any device that will do this.  Get a cheap
sequencer (MMT-8) and use it for the prog changes -
conversely, get a midi foot pedal to send prog changes. If
you are just looking for tempo match, JM should sync right
out of the box with any midi tempo generating device (such
as a drum machine).

93

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---Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> wrote:
>
> At 9:23 AM -0400 5/8/98, ANET wrote:
> >down.  Keep in mind that this may take a good deal of
time.  As each piece
> >will be scrutinized for quality standards that meet the
rest of the
> >submissions.  There is still time for you to submit
material or resubmit
> >anything that you would like for consideration.
> 
> I guess I don't really get this part. What are the
"quality standards", and
> who is making judgements for whether a submission meets
them or not? Seems
> like a rather subjective and potentially touchy area. Do
we really feel
> it's necessary to make such judgements at all? discuss....

I see quality control as very necessary.  Someone has to
produce.  The proof will be in the pudding.

93

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---Woehni <hovard@online.no> wrote:
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> 
> 
> Hi y`all!   I got a gig on wednesday and my jamman has
gotten ill. 
> I REALLY need advice on what to do.  Here goes:

My best advise is that unless you *REALLY* know what you
are doing, spend the $90 bucks and send it back to the
factory for repair.  It's definately worth it.

93

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>Sounds interesting.  Though I would be most interested in
>hearing about people who live loop with da jungle beat.
>

I'm not sure if Dr. Freecloud's work is with jungle, but I have been told
he's pretty good.  Worldwide, Q-bert is recognized as the best DJ, I think
he does a bit of everything, the important point on these two is that
Net-searches will probably warrant you some information on either.  I do
not have time to go out and find information so I usually rely on
second-hand:  read armchair philosopher.  Jungle/Breakbeat rants can be
found at:

http://www.synthzone.com/msg/szboard.html



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This is all the info I have at the moment on the credits for Loopers' CD 1.  

Please send me corrections and additions ASAP, as the CD is ready and is
being held up now only by the cover. 

Note that you've got to correct my email address when replying.  The
domain name should simply be rpeck (dot) com.  Please don't post to the
list, since I don't read it.  Thanks!

As my wife would say, "The sun is going to rise in the west. . ."


1. Michael Peters
   "On the Move"
   alternate version from the upcoming CD "Escape Veloopity"

   mpeters@compuserv.com or
   http://ourworld.compuserv.com/homepages/mpeters

   Michael Peters
   Moelstr. 4, 51069
   Cologne
   Germany

2. Dave Stafford
   "Spider's Web"
   from the album "Other Memory", SSC1717

   ambient@adnc.com

   Studio Seventeen Productions
   P.O. Box 461363
   Escondido, CA 92046

3. Matthias Grob with Bira Reis (percussion)
   (?? track 1 from Matthias' CD-R)

4. Matthias Grob
   (?? track 2 from Matthias' CD-R)

5. Matthias Grob					I have to check which track this is.  I wrote down the wrong info.
   (?? track ? from Matthias' CD-R)

6. Andree Krikula and Conny Sommer
   Es geschah

7. ????
   (track 7 from Matthias' CD-R)

8. Matthias Grob
   (track 12 from Matthias' CD-R)

9. Mike Stevens
   "A Walk In My Dream"
   from the CD "Normally Anomaly"

   stevens@ebtech.net

   Mike Stevens Music
   871 Eastwood St.
   Sarnia, ON
   Canada N7T 5L1

10. Doug Michael
    "Helix"

    dmic@ccnet.com
    http://www.ccnet.com/~dmic27

    Doug Michael
    2889 Seville Circle
    Antioch, CA 94509

11. Doug Michael
    "Trance" (edit)

12. Fingerpaint (Patrick Smith and Steev Geest)
    "Sirens of Titan"

    Patrick Smith
    7007 Aspen Ave
    Takoma Pk, MD 20912

13. Doug Michael
    "Feed"

14. David Talento
    "Just Give Up and Marry the Boss's Daughter"

    legion@voicenet.com
    http://www.voicenet.com/~legion

    Help Wanted Productions
    P.O. Box 2205
    Philadelphia, PA 19103
   
15. The Outside Loop (Wayne Hamilton and Chris Zimmerman)
    "Bag in a Tree"

    Shorthair Studios
    43 N. 3rd St.
    Philadelphia, PA 19106

16. Kuno Wagner
    "Intermedium"



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We're expecting shipment of FingerPaint's first CD release "Primary Colors:
BLUE" this week.  Stay tuned for more info.

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This Thursday, May 14th, The Dark Aether Project will perform at E.J. Bugs
at 702 South Broadway Street in Baltimore, MD. Start time is 9PM. 
Admission is *free*. I've invited my friends, Always Almost to come down
from Pennsylvania to join us for a special night of musical madness. 

We'll be paying tribute to the classic Hungarian techno death polka bands
of the late 80's. So if you're into cookie-monster vocals sung in
Hungarian ensnared with screaming fuzzed out accordian solos over heavy
TB-303 thumping, ummm...well...you should probably see a doctor, because
the whole idea is just too silly to imagine. Strike this paragraph. You
never saw it.

Always Almost features Brett Kull, Ray Weston and Paul Ramsey who have
previously performed together in the bands Echolyn and Still in addition
to collaborations with others such as Mercury Records recording artists,
Grey Eye Glances. Always Almost's recent release "God Pounds His Nails" on
Pleasant Green Records features mature songwriting with a soulful edge
which at times exhibits nods to The Beatles, The Who and Gentle Giant. See
http://rocket.to/alwaysalmost/ for more information about Always Almost.

The Dark Aether Project features Adam Levin (Chapman Stick, Loops,
Guitar), Yaman Aksu (Fretted and Fretless Guitars, Guitar Synthesizer),
Brian Griffin (Percussion) and special guest Jason Wilson (Vocals). 
Progression magazine says "...jazz-inflected, often minimalistic
progressive...foreboding soundscape[s]...classy...offers mature
musicianship without pretentiousness." William Bajzek writes in Tap
Reviews: "This is a great one for fans of Trey Gunn, Philharmonie, or the
Stick in general... The band has great chemistry and cool ideas that are
executed well." See http://www.darkaether.net for more
information about The Dark Aether Project. 

Each band will have their recent CD releases and other nifty swag
available for sale at the show. 

Directions to E.J. Bugs:

Take 95 to 395 and follow signs for Downtown.
Turn right on Conway 
Turn left on Light
Turn right on Pratt
Turn right on President
Turn left on Fleet
Turn right on Broadway
The club is at 702 Broadway just past Aliceanna St.

-Adam

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I have seen several incarnations of fripp projects but this one takes
the cake. Musicianship and artistry in a improvised style that made me
and those I was with wish it would continue all night. What a show! What
a band! Fripp and the fernandes sustainer gtrs and tons of other stuff
sounded great. adrian on vdrums never ceased to amaze with sounds and
pure energy. But the trip of the night was watching trey gunn wrestle
with the gigantic 8string bass. Visually, a very interesting show.
sonically another revelation provided by another incarnation of KC.
Adrian and trey signed cd's and chatted politelly with the crowd after
the show. RF was no where to be found. I think he had fun though. we
sure did. One last point: the inter media arts center which was the
venue for this gig was perfect. It seemed like the balcony of an old
movie theatre customized to work as a music hall. General admission
insured the most die hard fans get the best seats. but in reality
everyone had a good seat and a good time. catch these guys if you
can!!!!

http://www.changenow.com
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for sale --

12 string Warr Raptor
active Bartolini pickups 
dual 1/4" output jacks
adjustable Wilkinson bridge
locking Sperzel tuners
dual truss rods
paduak body, mahogahny neck
Reunion Blues gig bag
one year old (one of first Raptors)

pictures of this instrument are located at
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth/photo.html

$1200 OBO, buyer pays shipping (i still have the original packing
materials).
please respond directly via email to howarth@u.arizona.edu

_____________________________________
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I'm looking for a replacement tape for a Roland Chorus Echo. I have an
empty container on which is written "echo chamber tape RT-1L."

 At the top of the unit where the tape moves inside of an acrylic cover,
there is a little hinged swinging arm to the lower left.  From the
diagram on top of the acrylic cover, it looks like some kind of tape
cartridge fits there. Am I missing this too as well as some tape?

By the way, here is a performance announcement (Los Angeles) regarding
Nels Cline.

thanks anyone,
Michael
**************************

>
>THIS WEEK...Thursday May 14 @ 10pm (or thereabouts)
>
>NELS CLINE & DEVIN SARNO
>Performing live @ SPACELAND
>[w/ Present (from Belgium) & I.B.O.P.A.]
>
>1717 Silverlake Blvd. in Silverlake, CA.
>Info.: 213-833-2843
>*21 & over w/ I.D.*
>
>Nels Cline & Devin Sarno have just released their first collaborative 12" LP:
>"Rise Pumpkin Rise" on Volvolo Records. (Copies will be available at the
>show.)
>"Exquisitely dynamic guitar-and-bass feedback constructions."
>--LA Weekly
>


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I'm totally unfamiliar with some of the styles of music that have been bandied
about on this list.  Anyone want to take a shot at defining jungle, d&b, and the
term breakbeat as opposed to backbeat.

I also deleted Andre La Fosse's post that had his web address.  Andre, I'd love to
stop by your sight and hear some of this music. Could you repost your URL.  TIA


Jason Secord wrote:

> Leo,
>      As far as I'm concerned, once you've mapped out your basic backbeat
> and layers of breakbeat and bass all that's left is the looping...  and
> it is too much fun... A friend and I made some really cool slow-funk
> groove a couple days ago by basically following this method, except w/o
> a computer...
>      I'd love to have access to software like Cubase and Soundforge but
> I'm too poor to care at the moment.  We do our best impersonation by
> composing a song on the drum machine, sampling the bits and pieces we
> like, playing with a multitap delay (4 continuity I suppose) and then
> actively mixing all these different "loops" at mixdown.  We've even been
> known to use the MidiSync capability on th Jam Man to insure that we
> don't go phase-crazy.
>      Hope this gives you a window on what we do...
> I'm totally hip to yer ideas leo and would love to hear em.
>
> ciao baby
>
> Leonardo Cavallo wrote:
> >
> > At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote:
> > >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's
> > >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming
> > >out anyway?
> > >
> > >C H R I S
> > >
> > >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders
> > >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list
> > >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to
> > recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do all the
> > breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good results.
> > I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick parts and
> > looping.
> > The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece of the
> > drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns)  but using parts of
> > a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and then
> > reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method.
> >
> > I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's with me?
> > I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web page as a
> > really good example to listen if you like this kind of music.
> >
> > ciao
> > leo





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>I have seen several incarnations of fripp projects but this one takes
>the cake. Musicianship and artistry in a improvised style that made me
>and those I was with wish it would continue all night. What a show! What
>a band! Fripp and the fernandes sustainer gtrs and tons of other stuff
>sounded great. adrian on vdrums never ceased to amaze with sounds and
>pure energy. But the trip of the night was watching trey gunn wrestle
>with the gigantic 8string bass. Visually, a very interesting show.
>sonically another revelation provided by another incarnation of KC.
>Adrian and trey signed cd's and chatted politelly with the crowd after
>the show. RF was no where to be found. I think he had fun though. we
>sure did. One last point: the inter media arts center which was the
>venue for this gig was perfect. It seemed like the balcony of an old
>movie theatre customized to work as a music hall. General admission
>insured the most die hard fans get the best seats. but in reality
>everyone had a good seat and a good time. catch these guys if you
>can!!!!

Wow!  Sounds like you had a great time.  Contrast with the NY Times 
review below.  Seems even the big boys encounter some of the same 
problems that we've discussed regarding experimental music and audience 
expectations.  I wonder if Mr. Watrous would have similarly criticized a 
black band that drew a predominantly black audience:

Fine-Tuning Appeal for a Certain Audience
          Projekct Two
          Irving Plaza

          Sociologists looking for the demographic connection between 
bands and their audiences have a good test case in Projekct Two, a King 
Crimson spinoff group featuring Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew and Trey Gunn. 
At Irving Plaza on Wednesday night, the musicians attracted a medium-size 
audience of virtually all white men between 30 and 40. Casual inquiry 
found that wives and girlfriends hated the music and after one hearing 
vowed never to return.

          Maybe it's the music's athleticism, its self-interested
virtuosity, that alienates women. Through two short sets, the three 
musicians soloed and soloed, working a tired post-apocalyptic musical 
landscape. The tempos mostly stayed the same, and the music, grinding and 
rumbling and mechanical, sometimes had a few sampled words that filtered 
through it all.

Mr. Fripp, playing guitar, and Mr. Gunn, playing an eight-string 
guitar-ish instrument, improvised over Mr. Belew's drums. All three used 
all sorts of samples and synthesizers to change the sound of their 
instruments. The sound of organs and synthesized strings and pianos 
wafted in and out of the music.

          Mr. Fripp and Mr. Gunn often swapped solo space, with Mr. Gunn
sometimes holding long, distorted notes as a background for Mr. Fripp's 
buzzing note flurries. Then the two came together to play metallic lines 
passing as melodies. With all the simulated instruments available, the 
three musicians created walls of sound. But there was no getting away 
from the
feeling that somewhere, under all the blur and noise, they were taking 
more of an interest in the technological possibilities of their 
instruments than in actually thinking through the problems of making 
music demographically generous.
          -- PETER WATROUS


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Not being a fan of Fripp's music in general . . . 

Let me just say that this reviewer sounds a like a total horse's ass.

Next time the paper should send someone who isn't predisposed to dislike
this sort of music.

> Fine-Tuning Appeal for a Certain Audience
>           Projekct Two
>           Irving Plaza
> 
> But there was no getting away  from the
> feeling that somewhere, under all the blur and noise, they were taking 
> more of an interest in the technological possibilities of their 
> instruments than in actually thinking through the problems of making 
> music demographically generous.
>           -- PETER WATROUS
> 


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I was at the Irving Plaza show on Thursday night...It was amazing as expected...Fripp even smiled at least a dozen times and laughed visibly twice...Trey Gunn was the most surprising, he was unbelievable. I was standing right in front of him and was in awe all night. He definately gave Fripp and Belew a run for their money...in fact I kinda think he stole the show,not to detract from Fripp and Belew of course, they were wonderful as expected. All in all I was most pleased..even though I drove up from Augusta Ga via Baltimore      ( to pick up a friend) It was definately worth the trip...
-Rich

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>
>BTW.. Is the digest version ever gonna be operational again?

I sure hope so. My provider keeps telling me that they are fixing it, and
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kim

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>I'm totally unfamiliar with some of the styles of music that have been bandied
>about on this list.  Anyone want to take a shot at defining jungle, d&b, and the
>term breakbeat as opposed to backbeat.
>


some good web sites to try, mostly with tons of realaudio:

http://jungle.syspace.co.uk/jungle/home.shtml
http://www.113audio.com/
http://www.betalounge.com/remix.html
http://www.freqnet.com/

kim


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>I'm totally unfamiliar with some of the styles of music that have been bandied
>about on this list.  Anyone want to take a shot at defining jungle, d&b,
>and the
>term breakbeat as opposed to backbeat.
>


some good web sites to try, mostly with tons of realaudio:

http://jungle.syspace.co.uk/jungle/home.shtml
http://www.113audio.com/
http://www.betalounge.com/remix.html
http://www.freqnet.com/

kim



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I'm thinking of building a little interface for my Digitech Time Machine
7.6 which has five inputs for voltage controllers on the back. I am an
amateur with the ol' soldering iron and just built some basic
microphones and think that I could handle building simple circuits for
my voltage control needs. Does anyone know of a good place where I could
find some diagrams for making voltage control switches? I suppose I
could look at my store bought pedals and figure it out, but I like to
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In a message dated 98-05-12 13:35:01 EDT, you write:

 >> But there was no getting away  from the
 >> feeling that somewhere, under all the blur and noise, they were taking 
 >> more of an interest in the technological possibilities of their 
 >> instruments than in actually thinking through the problems of making 
 > >music demographically generous.
 >>           -- PETER WATROUS
 
< Not being a fan of Fripp's music in general . . . 
 
< Let me just say that this reviewer sounds a like a total horse's ass.
 
< Next time the paper should send someone who isn't predisposed to dislike
 <this sort of music.

Peter Watrous aroused a good deal of ire among many when he wrote an article
in the NY Times a few years back which started as a review (scathingly
negative) of the latest electric Wayne Shorter record, "High Life", but wasn't
content to stop there.  In essence, he went on to blame Miles Davis' post-In A
Silent Way direction for not only ruining jazz, but for corrupting a
generation of musicians (Herbie, Wayne, McLaughlin, Zawinul etc) that spread
out and ruined music on a level Miles couldn't do himself.

On McLaughlin's cover story in Guitar Player a few years back, the interviewer
read him the article.  McLaughlin at first became noticeably angry but then
fired back what I thought was a pretty level-headed, common-sense comeback.  I
belonged to a Miles Davis internet mailing list which Watrous joined.  I
copied the pertinent parts of the McLaughlin interview and sent them to the
list (without any editorializing on my part) and invited Watrous to post his
reactions and/or arguments to McLaughlin's rebuttal.  Not only did he not
respond, I believe he left the list.

Ken R
 


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Whenever a critic says something is that bad, I automatically want to hear
it to judge for myself.

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>Peter Watrous aroused a good deal of ire among many when he wrote an
article
>in the NY Times a few years back which started as a review (scathingly
>negative) of the latest . . .



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tim-thanks for the insite..................michael


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Hooops! Sorry I sent you my message before reading this one...

Olivier

Kim Flint a crit:

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> >BTW.. Is the digest version ever gonna be operational again?
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> I sure hope so. My provider keeps telling me that they are fixing it, and
> then nothing happens. very frustrating....
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> kim
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Hi Tim , Thanks for the great history-lesson!!   Look forward to hearing more from you
in the future.


Yours , Thomas



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This is my first post to the list. I joined out of curiosity because 
the name loopers delight intrigued me. I originally thought more of 
you would be into sampler style looping (ASR-10 is my machine) 
rather than the whole guitar/delay/fx setup (I've done my own share 
of this back in the days before I could afford a $ampler..)
Anyways, hi folks!

Now onto my main interest (at least sonically), Jungle/Drum and Bass
I'll give a history lesson from what I've learnt surfing the net and 
listening to the music - if it might bore you HIT DELETE
In 1988 a new sound called Acid House took England by storm - by 
1990/91 an new subgenre called hardcore evolved in which the driving 
4/4 808 bass drum was complemented by sampled breakbeats from old 
jazz/funk/soul records. At the same time tempos were increasing from 
120-130 bpm up to 145-160 bpm. These records were often distinguished 
by 'chipmunk' style vocal samples (timestretch wasn't invented yet) 
as well as a pot pourie (?) of twisted acidic drones. This was the 
genesis of Jungle (as well as many other styles spawned). By 1993 a 
distinctive darkcore movement had formed which was definitive 
proto-jungle. At about this time a new movement formed call Junglists 
and the main new ingredient was ragga samples and dub bass lines.
At a tempo of 160 (the speed of the pitched up breakbeats) this music 
was perfectly complimented by a half tempo bassline of 80 bpm.
This music exploded in London in 1994/95 and became known as Ragga 
jungle gaining widespread underground acceptance, at least among the 
open minded underground dance community. This form relied on samples 
of three main breakbeats, the most famous and floor smashing being 
known as "Amen", sampled from "Amen brother" - by the Winstons.
This scene however became plagued by images of violence - the samples 
used reflected the very dark, violent nature of a life of poverty in 
Jamaica, as sung/chatted in ragga music. Incidences of violence 
occured after a certain gangsta/rudeboy element was attracted to the 
music. Consequently the scene suffered. Spurred by this and the very 
nature of exploration and evolution of sonic sculpture that defines 
jungle a new, separate movement evolved known, for want of a better 
term as 'intelligent'. This form was more concerned with atmospherics 
on a more subtle level with synth washes, ambient sounds and a 
general cool restaint - more programmed breakbeats, not the grungy 
old sampled loops (sarcastically referred to as Dolphin music by fans 
of the more hardcore sound).
Principally the names Intelligent and Drum and Bass were coined as a 
way of distancing the new pioneers from the old ragga style which 
fell into a rut. By 1996 people had moved on from the ragga sound and 
many new subgenres of Drum and Bass began to emerge - eg Techstep, 
Hardstep, Jump-up - Basically its all Jungle though!
As for breakbeats their origins are in 60's soul music - people such 
as James Brown would orchestrate a section in a song in which the 
rest of the band would break down leaving just the drums, 'giving the 
drummer some!'  - a miniature drum solo loaded with sycopation and 
funky groove. This is why these drum beats are so good to sample - 
because they are 'clean'. Incidentally the origins of hip hop date to 
the mid 70's when Kool Herc pioneered the oldschool break dancing 
movement (although people used to break to the old soul records) by 
taking two copies of the sampled break on two turntables and repeating 
these phrases, switching from turntable to turntable to form an 
extended break for people to move to. And of course the most famous 
breakbeat of all time - James Browns 'Funky Drummer'.
I think the reference to backbeat describes the programmed element of 
the beats in this style of music - a simple backing track over which 
to sampled breakbeat loops can be intermitently inserted.

Anyway, hope I was of some assistance and didn't bore ya too much!!!

Tim Fitzsimons
 
From:          "Lee Wordsman" <lwordsman@pirnie.com>

I'm totally unfamiliar with some of the styles of music that have been bandied
about on this list.  Anyone want to take a shot at defining jungle, d&b, and the
term breakbeat as opposed to backbeat.

I also deleted Andre La Fosse's post that had his web address.  Andre, I'd love to
stop by your sight and hear some of this music. Could you repost your URL.  TIA


Jason Secord wrote:

> Leo,
>      As far as I'm concerned, once you've mapped out your basic backbeat
> and layers of breakbeat and bass all that's left is the looping...  and
> it is too much fun... A friend and I made some really cool slow-funk
> groove a couple days ago by basically following this method, except w/o
> a computer...
>      I'd love to have access to software like Cubase and Soundforge but
> I'm too poor to care at the moment.  We do our best impersonation by
> composing a song on the drum machine, sampling the bits and pieces we
> like, playing with a multitap delay (4 continuity I suppose) and then
> actively mixing all these different "loops" at mixdown.  We've even been
> known to use the MidiSync capability on th Jam Man to insure that we
> don't go phase-crazy.
>      Hope this gives you a window on what we do...
> I'm totally hip to yer ideas leo and would love to hear em.
>
> ciao baby
>
> Leonardo Cavallo wrote:
> >
> > At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote:
> > >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's
> > >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming
> > >out anyway?
> > >
> > >C H R I S
> > >
> > >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders
> > >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list
> > >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to
> > recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do all the
> > breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good results.
> > I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick parts and
> > looping.
> > The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece of the
> > drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns)  but using parts of
> > a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and then
> > reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method.
> >
> > I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's with me?
> > I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web page as a
> > really good example to listen if you like this kind of music.
> >
> > ciao
> > leo






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Thanks alot. that was real informative
Vedo


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Tim and Kim and others,

Thanks for the info and the web sites.  I checked out the Jungle.syspace site and got
to give a few tracks a listen.

What I heard was not what I expected.  The term Jungle comes with some heavy images
and I was suprised at how pared down the few cuts I heard were.  I guess I was
expecting something akin to heavily layered ambient guitar except with drum beats
rather than guitar notes.

Tim, that was a great bit of history.  Thanx for taking the time to fill us all in.

Next stop, Andre La Fosse's site.

Lee



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> Wow!  Sounds like you had a great time.  Contrast with the NY Times
> review below.  Seems even the big boys encounter some of the same
> problems that we've discussed regarding experimental music and audience
> expectations.  I wonder if Mr. Watrous would have similarly criticized a
> black band that drew a predominantly black audience:
---------------------
- speaking of "demographically generous" . . . how about the Opera - or
the Ballet - they're funded to the tune of MANY millions of $s  by the
feds, the states, the cities, and even hotel taxes(actually to the LOOP
of millions of $s, since they get it, and more,  every year -
automatically). 

- someone should try to describe those art forms by their audiences - 

---------------------

- although i've never heard the band mentioned in person, they must be
more accomplished in their art form than that "critic" is in his craft,
or he would have written his review in such a way that the following
"three-dot PR distillation" wouldn't be possible:

---------------------

 Fine-Tuning Appeal for a Certain Audience
          Projekct Two
          Irving Plaza 

          Sociologists looking for the demographic connection between
bands and their audiences have a good test case in Projekct Two, a King
Crimson spinoff group featuring Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew and Trey
Gunn.

          Maybe it's the music's athleticism  .  .  .   All three used
all sorts of samples and synthesizers to change the sound of their
instruments. The sound of organs and synthesized strings and pianos
wafted in and out of the music.

          Mr. Fripp and Mr. Gunn often swapped solo space, with Mr. Gunn
sometimes holding long, distorted notes as a background for Mr. Fripp's
buzzing note flurries. 
 
          With all the simulated instruments available, the three
musicians created walls of sound.  

.  .  . there was no getting away from the feeling that somewhere, under
all the blur and noise, they were . . . actually thinking through the
problems of making music demographically generous.

------------------------ 

- 90% of what was said was very positive - however,

. . .  although seeming blissfully unaware of the "ho lotta loopin" that
was goin on . . . the reviewer seems to imply that loopers can't get
laid . . . at least in NY . . .  perhaps a visit to San Francisco would
help . . . where the freaks (of all genders) like it (music of all
persuasions) freaky.

- and as far a getting paid? it's like the jazz musician who won the
lottery. When somebody asked what he was going to do with all the money,
he said "I guess i'll just keep on working until it runs out".


mmmmmmm


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good werk
****em all

KRosser414 wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 98-05-12 13:35:01 EDT, you write:
> 
>  >> But there was no getting away  from the
>  >> feeling that somewhere, under all the blur and noise, they were taking
>  >> more of an interest in the technological possibilities of their
>  >> instruments than in actually thinking through the problems of making
>  > >music demographically generous.
>  >>           -- PETER WATROUS
> 
> < Not being a fan of Fripp's music in general . . .
> 
> < Let me just say that this reviewer sounds a like a total horse's ass.
> 
> < Next time the paper should send someone who isn't predisposed to dislike
>  <this sort of music.
> 
> Peter Watrous aroused a good deal of ire among many when he wrote an article
> in the NY Times a few years back which started as a review (scathingly
> negative) of the latest electric Wayne Shorter record, "High Life", but wasn't
> content to stop there.  In essence, he went on to blame Miles Davis' post-In A
> Silent Way direction for not only ruining jazz, but for corrupting a
> generation of musicians (Herbie, Wayne, McLaughlin, Zawinul etc) that spread
> out and ruined music on a level Miles couldn't do himself.
> 
> On McLaughlin's cover story in Guitar Player a few years back, the interviewer
> read him the article.  McLaughlin at first became noticeably angry but then
> fired back what I thought was a pretty level-headed, common-sense comeback.  I
> belonged to a Miles Davis internet mailing list which Watrous joined.  I
> copied the pertinent parts of the McLaughlin interview and sent them to the
> list (without any editorializing on my part) and invited Watrous to post his
> reactions and/or arguments to McLaughlin's rebuttal.  Not only did he not
> respond, I believe he left the list.
> 
> Ken R
>


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tim,
	That's the most technically adept and accurate history of
drum-n'bass/jungle I've ever seen or heard, or read.... anyway.
you are sonically intact, my man.  

Tim Fitzsimons wrote:
> 
> This is my first post to the list. I joined out of curiosity because
> the name loopers delight intrigued me. I originally thought more of
> you would be into sampler style looping (ASR-10 is my machine)
> rather than the whole guitar/delay/fx setup (I've done my own share
> of this back in the days before I could afford a $ampler..)
> Anyways, hi folks!
> 
> Now onto my main interest (at least sonically), Jungle/Drum and Bass
> I'll give a history lesson from what I've learnt surfing the net and
> listening to the music - if it might bore you HIT DELETE
> In 1988 a new sound called Acid House took England by storm - by
> 1990/91 an new subgenre called hardcore evolved in which the driving
> 4/4 808 bass drum was complemented by sampled breakbeats from old
> jazz/funk/soul records. At the same time tempos were increasing from
> 120-130 bpm up to 145-160 bpm. These records were often distinguished
> by 'chipmunk' style vocal samples (timestretch wasn't invented yet)
> as well as a pot pourie (?) of twisted acidic drones. This was the
> genesis of Jungle (as well as many other styles spawned). By 1993 a
> distinctive darkcore movement had formed which was definitive
> proto-jungle. At about this time a new movement formed call Junglists
> and the main new ingredient was ragga samples and dub bass lines.
> At a tempo of 160 (the speed of the pitched up breakbeats) this music
> was perfectly complimented by a half tempo bassline of 80 bpm.
> This music exploded in London in 1994/95 and became known as Ragga
> jungle gaining widespread underground acceptance, at least among the
> open minded underground dance community. This form relied on samples
> of three main breakbeats, the most famous and floor smashing being
> known as "Amen", sampled from "Amen brother" - by the Winstons.
> This scene however became plagued by images of violence - the samples
> used reflected the very dark, violent nature of a life of poverty in
> Jamaica, as sung/chatted in ragga music. Incidences of violence
> occured after a certain gangsta/rudeboy element was attracted to the
> music. Consequently the scene suffered. Spurred by this and the very
> nature of exploration and evolution of sonic sculpture that defines
> jungle a new, separate movement evolved known, for want of a better
> term as 'intelligent'. This form was more concerned with atmospherics
> on a more subtle level with synth washes, ambient sounds and a
> general cool restaint - more programmed breakbeats, not the grungy
> old sampled loops (sarcastically referred to as Dolphin music by fans
> of the more hardcore sound).
> Principally the names Intelligent and Drum and Bass were coined as a
> way of distancing the new pioneers from the old ragga style which
> fell into a rut. By 1996 people had moved on from the ragga sound and
> many new subgenres of Drum and Bass began to emerge - eg Techstep,
> Hardstep, Jump-up - Basically its all Jungle though!
> As for breakbeats their origins are in 60's soul music - people such
> as James Brown would orchestrate a section in a song in which the
> rest of the band would break down leaving just the drums, 'giving the
> drummer some!'  - a miniature drum solo loaded with sycopation and
> funky groove. This is why these drum beats are so good to sample -
> because they are 'clean'. Incidentally the origins of hip hop date to
> the mid 70's when Kool Herc pioneered the oldschool break dancing
> movement (although people used to break to the old soul records) by
> taking two copies of the sampled break on two turntables and repeating
> these phrases, switching from turntable to turntable to form an
> extended break for people to move to. And of course the most famous
> breakbeat of all time - James Browns 'Funky Drummer'.
> I think the reference to backbeat describes the programmed element of
> the beats in this style of music - a simple backing track over which
> to sampled breakbeat loops can be intermitently inserted.
> 
> Anyway, hope I was of some assistance and didn't bore ya too much!!!
> 
> Tim Fitzsimons
> 
> From:          "Lee Wordsman" <lwordsman@pirnie.com>
> 
> I'm totally unfamiliar with some of the styles of music that have been bandied
> about on this list.  Anyone want to take a shot at defining jungle, d&b, and the
> term breakbeat as opposed to backbeat.
> 
> I also deleted Andre La Fosse's post that had his web address.  Andre, I'd love to
> stop by your sight and hear some of this music. Could you repost your URL.  TIA
> 
> Jason Secord wrote:
> 
> > Leo,
> >      As far as I'm concerned, once you've mapped out your basic backbeat
> > and layers of breakbeat and bass all that's left is the looping...  and
> > it is too much fun... A friend and I made some really cool slow-funk
> > groove a couple days ago by basically following this method, except w/o
> > a computer...
> >      I'd love to have access to software like Cubase and Soundforge but
> > I'm too poor to care at the moment.  We do our best impersonation by
> > composing a song on the drum machine, sampling the bits and pieces we
> > like, playing with a multitap delay (4 continuity I suppose) and then
> > actively mixing all these different "loops" at mixdown.  We've even been
> > known to use the MidiSync capability on th Jam Man to insure that we
> > don't go phase-crazy.
> >      Hope this gives you a window on what we do...
> > I'm totally hip to yer ideas leo and would love to hear em.
> >
> > ciao baby
> >
> > Leonardo Cavallo wrote:
> > >
> > > At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote:
> > > >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's
> > > >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming
> > > >out anyway?
> > > >
> > > >C H R I S
> > > >
> > > >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders
> > > >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list
> > > >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to
> > > recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do all the
> > > breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good results.
> > > I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick parts and
> > > looping.
> > > The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece of the
> > > drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns)  but using parts of
> > > a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and then
> > > reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method.
> > >
> > > I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's with me?
> > > I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web page as a
> > > really good example to listen if you like this kind of music.
> > >
> > > ciao
> > > leo


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Italian Dealer said that Echoplex Digital Pro will be available in Italy
and Europe next month.
Is this true.

DO you know something?

Salvatore




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Salvatore Passaro wrote:
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> Italian Dealer said that Echoplex Digital Pro will be available in Italy
> and Europe next month.
> Is this true.
> 
> DO you know something?
> 
> Salvatore

THAT would be great! :)

Robert


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Sean,

Do you mean switches, or continuous type controllers like pedals,
knobs, etc. ?

I have some schematics for continuous controllers somewhere, but
in the meantime check:

  http://www.wcug.wwu.edu/~jamie/schems.html

  http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/#sch

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Once upon a time Sean O'Donnell wrote:
> 
> I'm thinking of building a little interface for my Digitech Time Machine
> 7.6 which has five inputs for voltage controllers on the back. I am an
> amateur with the ol' soldering iron and just built some basic
> microphones and think that I could handle building simple circuits for
> my voltage control needs. Does anyone know of a good place where I could
> find some diagrams for making voltage control switches? I suppose I
> could look at my store bought pedals and figure it out, but I like to
> have some proven schematics whenever possible.
> 
> Sean


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Hi,

Sorry for the intrusion, but since there seems to be a few Portland folks
on the list, I thought I'd mention this.

Minus is playing the Satyricon on Friday, May 15, along with Village Idiot,
and, from Seattle, Tim Young's Very Special Forces. Minus is Mark France on
guitar, Henry Franzoni on drums, Matt Calkins on tenor and bari saxes, John
Hendricks on trumpet and myself on bass and keyboards. We play noisy
improvisational funk and dub, kind of a painkiller meets cluster meets
'70's electric Miles Davis type of thing. On a bad day, we will do covers
of Black Sabbath, Ennio Morricone and the Smashing Pumpkins. This is our
first PDX gig in a few years, with our new horn section and compositions.
Any Portland loopers who make it to the show, please say hi!


________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________




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"Explorations in Time and Space" - Soundscapes and Improvisations - Paul
Mimlitsch (Stick¨/Loops) and Jody Janetta (percussion) at "Garden of Eden
Restaurant" (specializing in vegetarian fare (with some animal protein
available for the omnivores out there) ).  Ramblewood Pkwy./Rt. 73, Mt.
Laurel, N.J.  Info: (609)778-1971  This Sat. May 16th. 7-9pm




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hey, all:
sorry i not too vocal, of late.
anyways:
gtr oblique (vernon reid, elliot sharp, d. torn) are gonna be performing
at the knitting factory, leonard st, nyc:
2 shows, 8 & 10 pm:
show 1: pseudo-acoustic
show 2: electric
both shows are, as it happens, being recorded for an actual release, and
both shows will loop around a bit, yo.
maybe seeya there,
best,
dt


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Mr. Torn,
Do you have any knowledge of anyone from the KFW's staff going to be
recording the programs, because I know I would like to hear the music off of
CD's. I'm sure a few more on this list would like to see (or hear) that
happen.
Thanks for all your great music.
Jeff Collins
collinsclan@sprintmail.com
OR
strangetone@yahoo.com

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>hey, all:
>sorry i not too vocal, of late.
>anyways:
>gtr oblique (vernon reid, elliot sharp, d. torn) are gonna be performing
>at the knitting factory, leonard st, nyc:
>2 shows, 8 & 10 pm:
>show 1: pseudo-acoustic
>show 2: electric
>both shows are, as it happens, being recorded for an actual release, and
>both shows will loop around a bit, yo.
>maybe seeya there,
>best,
>dt
>
>



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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Apparently I wasn't reading hard enough to 
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first-i would like to thank kim for hosting this site.........its a daily
jolt-o-fun
second-thanks to all LD folk for all your ideas and most helpful info.
now here is the question:
at times, i go to a music chat room, 90% of the time it is, your in your out,
very little to no exchange of ideas. on occasion, there have been times when
kindred spirits were present and it was most informative and very much fun.
i think it would be neat to have a little Loopers Delight pow-wow every now
and then and exchange thoughts and questions in real time.
is it possible to do this with our present level of computer maddness?? i have
no idea what-so-ever. 
perhaps there is no interest in this or perhaps it is impossible at the
present time or perhaps this is just another goofy idea of mine.....but i had
to throw it out there...........just gettin older and
loopier..........................michael


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this sunday, may 17, i'm appearing in my bedroom for a free concert of my
most up-to-date efforts. please wear you Looper Delight hats so i can tell who
you are!
just had to say it........sorry..........  :)...................michael


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great idea, the IRC would be a great place to meet, we can even set up a
room called 'Looper's Delight'...for more info on IRC, go to:
http://www.mirc.co.uk/

You can sometimes find me in channel #guitar as 'Mincer', on the Undernet (a
set of IRC 'servers'; the web page will explain...)-we can either set up
meeting times, or just randomly visit and see who is around. Certainly it
would be a different way of communicating.
Dave Eichenberger
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>first-i would like to thank kim for hosting this site.........its a daily
>jolt-o-fun
>second-thanks to all LD folk for all your ideas and most helpful info.
>now here is the question:
>at times, i go to a music chat room, 90% of the time it is, your in your
out,
>very little to no exchange of ideas. on occasion, there have been times
when
>kindred spirits were present and it was most informative and very much fun.
>i think it would be neat to have a little Loopers Delight pow-wow every now
>and then and exchange thoughts and questions in real time.
>is it possible to do this with our present level of computer maddness?? i
have
>no idea what-so-ever.
>perhaps there is no interest in this or perhaps it is impossible at the
>present time or perhaps this is just another goofy idea of mine.....but i
had
>to throw it out there...........just gettin older and
>loopier..........................michael
>



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At 7:03 PM +0200 5/13/98, Salvatore Passaro wrote:
>Italian Dealer said that Echoplex Digital Pro will be available in Italy
>and Europe next month.
>Is this true.
>
>DO you know something?
>
>Salvatore

The official word from Oberheim is still that they will have Echoplexes
shipping in Europe in September.

but hey, at least the date is the same as last time! nice that they finally
have people there who do the things they say they are going to do.

kim

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I hope you get a lot of people to go.  HaHa.
Jeff Collins
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>this sunday, may 17, i'm appearing in my bedroom for a free concert of my
>most up-to-date efforts. please wear you Looper Delight hats so i can tell
who
>you are!
>just had to say it........sorry..........  :)...................michael
>
>



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At 01:01 AM 5/14/98 EDT, you wrote:
>now here is the question:
>at times, i go to a music chat room, 90% of the time it is, your 
> in your out,......
>
>i think it would be neat to have a little Loopers Delight pow-wow
> every now and then and exchange thoughts and questions in real time.
>is it possible to do this with our present level of computer maddness??

I've never used an aol chat room or irc, but there is chat
client/server software called the Palace (http://www.palacespace.com)
that offers graphic interactive creative chat environments.  You
can create your own graphic avatars and even your own server where
you creat the images and sounds.

Is anyone else on this list familiar with the Palace?



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I really like this idea.  I've been to the IRC plenty, and it's very convenient.  I agree it would be best if we all set up certain times to "meet."  I think we are too few to bet we'll see somebody in the room at random times.

I know some people who set up their own room.  They even have their own website for their little IRC room.  

Kim?  What do you think?

Javier
Berkeley, Calif.

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great idea, the IRC would be a great place to meet, we can even set up a
room called 'Looper's Delight'...for more info on IRC, go to:
http://www.mirc.co.uk/

You can sometimes find me in channel #guitar as 'Mincer', on the Undernet (a
set of IRC 'servers'; the web page will explain...)-we can either set up
meeting times, or just randomly visit and see who is around. Certainly it
would be a different way of communicating.
Dave Eichenberger
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Sorry for the interruption, but I'll be brief:
I've got an unused Boss 202 Dr. Sample that I want to sell, but all my
previous web sales have been via the guitar-related lists I know of. Any clues
about where I should post this little toy? e-mail below...thanks!
DPC
dcoffin@taunton.com
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I plugged the guitar into the Echoplex and yadda yadda yadda, next thing I
new I had a recording contract and a million bucks.

There will be no looping tonight from 8:00 to 10:00 EST in honor of the
final Seinfeld. 




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Pat Murphy wrote:

> I plugged the guitar into the Echoplex and yadda yadda yadda, next thing I
> new I had a recording contract and a million bucks.
>
> There will be no looping tonight from 8:00 to 10:00 EST in honor of the
> final Seinfeld.

LoL !!!




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At 10.01 14/05/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Sorry for the interruption, but I'll be brief:
>I've got an unused Boss 202 Dr. Sample that I want to sell, but all my
>previous web sales have been via the guitar-related lists I know of. Any clues
>about where I should post this little toy? e-mail below...thanks!
>DPC
>dcoffin@taunton.com
>dpcoffin@aol.com
>
>

let me know more privately. I could be interested....

ciao
leo



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On Thu, 14 May 1998, Pat Murphy wrote:

 
> There will be no looping tonight from 8:00 to 10:00 EST in honor of the
> final Seinfeld. 

Well, there'll be looping in Baltimore since we've got a gig tonight.  But
in homage, I'll comb my hair straight up and trip over my pedals when I
get on stage. 

Anyone who is torn (not you David) between staying home and coming out,
email me for free VCR programming tips. 

"Free your ass from the couch and your mind will follow."

-Adam

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       out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one 
                           becomes a Hearer."
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At 6:42 AM -0700 5/14/98, Javier Miranda V. wrote:
>I really like this idea.  I've been to the IRC plenty, and it's very
>convenient.  I agree it would be best if we all set up certain times to
>"meet."  I think we are too few to bet we'll see somebody in the room at
>random times.
>
>I know some people who set up their own room.  They even have their own
>website for their little IRC room.
>
>Kim?  What do you think?

I think it's a fine idea that I have no time to do anything about. If you
guys want to go set up a Looper's Delight chat room somewhere, by all means
go ahead! Let me know where it is and I'll put it on the web site.

kim

______________________________________________________________________
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kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
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>> There will be no looping tonight from 8:00 to 10:00 EST in honor of
the
>> final Seinfeld.
>
>Well, there'll be looping in Baltimore since we've got a gig tonight.
But
>in homage, I'll comb my hair straight up and trip over my pedals when
I
>get on stage.


If you're going to do THAT you should also make a very fast entrance.
:)

Stephen Goodman  * It's... The Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Studios    * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios



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In a message dated 98-05-14 01:05:06 EDT, you write:

<< i think it would be neat to have a little Loopers Delight pow-wow every now
 and then and exchange thoughts and questions in real time. >>

I think it's an excellent idea, having run into the same chat-room
disappointments repeatedly. The problem is that some internet providers do not
offer IRC (internet relay chat), and some people on this list are probably
using e-mail-only systems, not full web-access services. 

But if it can be worked out, let everybody know!! 

- Bill
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In a message dated 98-05-14 01:21:57 EDT, you write:

<< this sunday, may 17, i'm appearing in my bedroom for a free concert of my
 most up-to-date efforts. please wear you Looper Delight hats so i can tell
who
 you are! >>

Will there be a live web-cast of the event? What's the URL? Are you burning a
cd live as well? 

The public wants  to know....hahahahahaha

- Bill 
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:):):):):):):):)):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):))):):):):0)

NEMOGUIT wrote:
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> this sunday, may 17, i'm appearing in my bedroom for a free concert of my
> most up-to-date efforts. please wear you Looper Delight hats so i can tell who
> you are!
> just had to say it........sorry..........  :)...................michael


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jus go to http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html and follow
the directions there.Welcome,
                       Jeff Duke

alain pinero wolter wrote:

> I would like to be in contact with the looping family!
> my e-mail address : alaintap@spa.es
> Alain Pinero





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     In a determined bid to travel one step beyond, on Sunday 17th May I 
     will move the contents of my front room to the Balcony Bar of the 
     Croydon Clocktower (Croydon, Surrey). Between 7 and 8 pm I will a 
     adopt an unashamedly ambient stance, looping the output of my ebowed 
     telecaster on two JamPersons and some Reflexive reverb. You may then 
     wish to adjourn to the Braithwaite Hall to hear Antonio Forcione & 
     Neil Stacey, who also engage in intermittent loopage.
     
     Looper Delight hats will not on this occasion be mandatory.
     
     The following site includes a map of the Croydon area for uncertain 
     travellers, plus 3 new examples of what to expect should you arrive.
     
     David
     <http://subnet.virtual-pc.com/~or387751>


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I have not been there ,however I have used ICQ for a long time and it works
great,you dont need a server or chat room and you can talk around the world
or send messeges,etc
.http://www.download.com/PC/Result/TitleDetail/0,4,0-19877-g,00.html?bt.mirab.l2.g19877.cat37

        Jeff
Floyd Miller wrote:

> At 01:01 AM 5/14/98 EDT, you wrote:
> >now here is the question:
> >at times, i go to a music chat room, 90% of the time it is, your
> > in your out,......
> >
> >i think it would be neat to have a little Loopers Delight pow-wow
> > every now and then and exchange thoughts and questions in real time.
> >is it possible to do this with our present level of computer maddness??
>
> I've never used an aol chat room or irc, but there is chat
> client/server software called the Palace (http://www.palacespace.com)
> that offers graphic interactive creative chat environments.  You
> can create your own graphic avatars and even your own server where
> you creat the images and sounds.
>
> Is anyone else on this list familiar with the Palace?
>
> ****************
>   ********** Floyd Miller
>     ****** floyd@voicenet.com
>       ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd





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Perhaps America's greatest singer of the 20th Century, the man known
simultaneously to millions as "Sinatra", "The Chairman Of The Board",
"Frank", and "Ol' Blue Eyes" brought us music that people will be
growing into for generations to come.  His passing, while no surprise,
is a loss felt by all; but we are all the richer for his stay on this
planet.

This Saturday, in memory of Frank Sinatra (1915-1998), his music and
legendary stature, we at EarthLight Studios dedicate the Loop Of The
Week.

The belief that music CAN bring peace in many forms is not only valid,
but necessary.

Do drop into EarthLight Studios (at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios
in case you didn't get it yet) and have a listen, hopefully enjoy if
not reflect in an Electric Tea Garden made of sound, and let us know
what you think.

Stephen Goodman
EarthLight Productions-Studios
http://www.earthlight.net/Studios





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Can someone post a URL for the Fruit Loops software mentioned below? All
I've found in my net searches are pages about cereal boxes... :P

I downloaded Hammerhead last week, now that I've also got a PC setup for
audio. I love it's interface... now I just need to make some new samples
for it. BTW, is there a web site dedicated to sharing Hammerhead files or
samples? I'm looking for more drum+bass style loops.

John



> Leonardo Cavallo wrote:
> > 
> > At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote:
> > >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit Loops"? It's
> > >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead coming
> > >out anyway?
> > >
> > >C H R I S
> > >
> > >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders
> > >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list
> > >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to
> > recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do all the
> > breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good results.
> > I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick parts and
> > looping.
> > The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece of the
> > drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns)  but using parts of
> > a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and then
> > reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method.
> > 
> > I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's with me?
> > I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web page as a
> > really good example to listen if you like this kind of music.
> > 
> > ciao
> > leo
> 
> 



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For those who will be interested.

I just got the new Wayside Music Mail Order Catalog. In it they have a
couple of Torn's CMP CDs as well as some by Trilok Gurtu (also Trey Gunn and
Torn with Bozzio/Karn). 

Pretty decent prices?

Their website is 

http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/cuneiform.html

They have a fax number (301* 589-1819), but no regular telephone number
listed.

s.l.


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Would like to be there but would like to know if you are going to record the
pieces you will do?
Jeff Collins
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>     In a determined bid to travel one step beyond, on Sunday 17th May I
>     will move the contents of my front room to the Balcony Bar of the
>     Croydon Clocktower (Croydon, Surrey). Between 7 and 8 pm I will a
>     adopt an unashamedly ambient stance, looping the output of my ebowed
>     telecaster on two JamPersons and some Reflexive reverb. You may then
>     wish to adjourn to the Braithwaite Hall to hear Antonio Forcione &
>     Neil Stacey, who also engage in intermittent loopage.
>
>     Looper Delight hats will not on this occasion be mandatory.
>
>     The following site includes a map of the Croydon area for uncertain
>     travellers, plus 3 new examples of what to expect should you arrive.
>
>     David
>     <http://subnet.virtual-pc.com/~or387751>
>
>



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I guess the question that's on most minds today is whether Frank
caught the end of the Seinfeld show last night.


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Clara Rockmore, virtuoso of the Theremin, also passed away this week.

Paolo


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I couldn't find any of these on the website.  Could you give some details
of these?  Especially the Gunn and Torn with Bozzio/Karn!

Thanks,
Tom Johnson
6+6 Rosewood Grand
tappy@usa.net
Visit TappyLand at http://www.psn.net/~tappy


>I just got the new Wayside Music Mail Order Catalog. In it they have a
>couple of Torn's CMP CDs as well as some by Trilok Gurtu (also Trey
>Gunn and
>Torn with Bozzio/Karn). 

>Pretty decent prices?

>Their website is 

>http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/cuneiform.html

>They have a fax number (301* 589-1819), but no regular telephone
>number
>listed.




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Well,

I got their catalog in the mail.

Was there a number to call or an address to request the catalog listed on
the website?

Maybe you should try to fax 'em or write 'em, and request info . . . 

The fax number: (301) 589-1819

The address: Wayside Music, PO Box 8427, Silver Spring, MD 20907-8427

They want $10.00 plus shipping for  Polytown, $10 ea for Tripping over God
and What MEans Solid Traveler.

> ----------
> From: 	Tom Johnson
> Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Sent: 	Friday, May 15, 1998 11:47
> To: 	LiebigSA@maritz.com
> Subject: 	Re:  CMP CDs
> 
> I couldn't find any of these on the website.  Could you give some details
> of these?  Especially the Gunn and Torn with Bozzio/Karn!
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Johnson
> 6+6 Rosewood Grand
> tappy@usa.net
> Visit TappyLand at http://www.psn.net/~tappy
> 
> 
> >I just got the new Wayside Music Mail Order Catalog. In it they have a
> >couple of Torn's CMP CDs as well as some by Trilok Gurtu (also Trey
> >Gunn and
> >Torn with Bozzio/Karn). 
> 
> >Pretty decent prices?
> 
> >Their website is 
> 
> >http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/cuneiform.html
> 
> >They have a fax number (301* 589-1819), but no regular telephone
> >number
> >listed.
> 
> 
> 


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John,

Can you tell me where you downloaded hammerhead from. I can't seem to find
it anywhere, and would like to try a copy myself. Thanks, 
Bill Cummings

----------
> From: John Roseborough <jrose@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject: Re: Fruit Loops
> Date: Friday, May 15, 1998 12:04 PM
> 
> 
> Can someone post a URL for the Fruit Loops software mentioned below? All
> I've found in my net searches are pages about cereal boxes... :P
> 
> I downloaded Hammerhead last week, now that I've also got a PC setup for
> audio. I love it's interface... now I just need to make some new samples
> for it. BTW, is there a web site dedicated to sharing Hammerhead files or
> samples? I'm looking for more drum+bass style loops.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> > Leonardo Cavallo wrote:
> > > 
> > > At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote:
> > > >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit
Loops"? It's
> > > >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead
coming
> > > >out anyway?
> > > >
> > > >C H R I S
> > > >
> > > >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders
> > > >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list
> > > >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu
> > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to
> > > recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do all
the
> > > breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good
results.
> > > I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick
parts and
> > > looping.
> > > The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece
of the
> > > drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns)  but using
parts of
> > > a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and
then
> > > reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method.
> > > 
> > > I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's
with me?
> > > I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web
page as a
> > > really good example to listen if you like this kind of music.
> > > 
> > > ciao
> > > leo
> > 
> > 


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Sure thing. You can find Hammerhead, + lotsa software, gear reviews, and
advice for budding electronic musicians, at http://www.dancetech.com/

The exact URL for Hammerhead is:
http://www.dancetech.com/synth/HAMMERHEAD.cfm

John

PS: Found a new virtual analog synth with a stylin interface (Mac only)
at http://www.koblo.com today.. this is nifty.  Wish I had an Echoplex to
feed some of these sounds into!


On Fri, 15 May 1998, Bill Cummings wrote:

> John,
> 
> Can you tell me where you downloaded hammerhead from. I can't seem to find
> it anywhere, and would like to try a copy myself. Thanks, 
> Bill Cummings
> 
> ----------
> > From: John Roseborough <jrose@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
> > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> > Subject: Re: Fruit Loops
> > Date: Friday, May 15, 1998 12:04 PM
> > 
> > 
> > Can someone post a URL for the Fruit Loops software mentioned below? All
> > I've found in my net searches are pages about cereal boxes... :P
> > 
> > I downloaded Hammerhead last week, now that I've also got a PC setup for
> > audio. I love it's interface... now I just need to make some new samples
> > for it. BTW, is there a web site dedicated to sharing Hammerhead files or
> > samples? I'm looking for more drum+bass style loops.
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Leonardo Cavallo wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote:
> > > > >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit
> Loops"? It's
> > > > >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead
> coming
> > > > >out anyway?
> > > > >
> > > > >C H R I S
> > > > >
> > > > >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders
> > > > >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list
> > > > >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to
> > > > recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do all
> the
> > > > breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good
> results.
> > > > I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick
> parts and
> > > > looping.
> > > > The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece
> of the
> > > > drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns)  but using
> parts of
> > > > a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and
> then
> > > > reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method.
> > > > 
> > > > I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's
> with me?
> > > > I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web
> page as a
> > > > really good example to listen if you like this kind of music.
> > > > 
> > > > ciao
> > > > leo
> > > 
> > > 
> 
> 



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On Fri, 15 May 1998, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote:

> I just got the new Wayside Music Mail Order Catalog. In it they have a
> couple of Torn's CMP CDs as well as some by Trilok Gurtu (also Trey Gunn and
> Torn with Bozzio/Karn). 
> 
> Pretty decent prices?
> 
> Their website is 
> 
> http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/cuneiform.html
> 
> They have a fax number (301* 589-1819), but no regular telephone number
> listed.

*Shameless plug alert*

Wayside Music also distributes The Dark Aether Project CD at a very decent
price. Just remember, bulk orders save on shipping costs! 8)

-Adam

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       out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one 
                           becomes a Hearer."
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 I use MIDI to control the EDP's feedback level...a standard volume pedal is
connected to the pedal input of a Ground Control, and the EDP is first in
the MIDI chain to be controlled. Problem is, sometimes the feedback level is
unpredictable, ie, it seems to not wait till the end of the loop to reduce
in volume, and if I push the pedal up (off), the sound will stop, but sneak
back in somewhere in the loop. Also, if I push the pedal off about halfway,
and let the loop slowly die out, then push it foward, so it continues to
repeat indefinately at this new, lower volume, the volume of the loop jumps
erractically-it doesn't stay at a steady volume.
Does this sound like a midi, pedal, or user problem?
Will I have more predictable results using the Feedback jack on the back?
Also, on an unrelated note, once the loop dies out, i assume its gone
forever, no way to trigger it again at its original volume? I guess I can
always copy the original loop into another loop slot....
Forgive me, my Plex is fairly new, Im still gettin used to it...
Dave Eichenberger
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Great job Sunao!  I like the synths, the syncopation -- pretty cool.  Thanks for the listen!

Javier
Berkeley, Calif.

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Hi loopers,

I uploaded my new songs to my Real Audio server.
Please visit and listen to:
http://210.167.212.35/CAVE_RA1.html

  Regards

  Sunao Inami

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Dave:

I suspect that your question/problem with the EDP Feedback control is
primarily about understanding what is happening when you are moving the
pedal (I use pretty much the same set up but with the Digitech PMC-10
device for generating the MIDI continuous control for Feedback).  When you
move the pedal you are controlling the level of the looped material being
returned to the  to the EDP's memory, so you don't hear the change at that
point, you hear the level drop when that point in the loop comes around
again.  Unless you move the pedal real slow, like a fader on a console, you
are going to hear the adjustment as rather abrupt.  While its a bit
frustrating to not be able to hear the effect of your moves until somewhat
later, with practice, its not hard to get the feel of what kind of fade is
necessary in order to have a "fade out" at the rate you desire.  One
strategy I use on my PMC-10 ( I don't know if its possible on the Ground
Control) is to have different pedal settings on the floor, i.e. one in
which the full pedal movement sends MIDI CC values limited to a range of
110-127, which would generally be a slow fade (depending upon how long the
loop is in time), another in which the CC values range from 0-127
(essentially an on-off switch) and others for whatever rate I  need for a
specific part of a piece.  Of course you may have a faulty foot pedal but
since I experienced the same question as you when first working with the
unit, try the above.  

I think you are right about the loop being gone when it has fades away as a
result of a feedback level not set to full/127.  However another option
would be to fade your loop out with MIDI Volume, i.e. simply control the
output level of the whole unit.  That way the loop would still be fully in
memory.  OF course, depending upon your particular needs, that may or may
not be possible.  And yes your other option could be to copy the loop (if
you have enough memory).

Paul Dresher


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Kim:

I am overwhelmed with forwarded e-mail - please remove me from the list
serv
Thanks: Paul


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Here's an alternative approach to using feedback (as well as building a
loop in general) on an EDP:

Once you hit "record," let it run for a second or two, then hit "insert"
*without* hitting the record button again.  (The insert mode should
equal "insert.")  This will start building up small individual cycles
within the context of the overall master loop, and you'll see different
cycles/multiples building on the display.

Once you've got several cycles in your overall loop, hit "insert" again
to finish recording the loop.  (*Don't* end the recording with the
"record" button, as this will cause all of the seperate cycles to be
fused together, and the result will be just like building a loop without
the "insert" function). 

Feedback is linked to cycles; i.e. if you have a 20-second loop which
consists of one cycle, you won't hear feedback changes until that
20-second loop has come around to the start point again.  However, if
you have a 20-second loop built off of ten distinct 2-second loops,
you'll hear an audible change in feedback every two seconds.  

Building loops this way is interesting; not only can you hear feedback
results much more quickly, but you can also set up a hidden rhythmic
foundation for a seemingly rubato loop.  In other words, if you've got a
loop that's built off of several different cycles from the start, then
you can insert, multiply, and otherwise cut-and-paste the thing to
produce highly rhythmically precise effects by working within the
underlying seperate cycles.  It's like painting over a brick wall, and
then adding, subtracting, or re-arranging different bricks once the
basic picture has already been laid down.

Also remember that feedback is undo-able.  You can fade out a loop and
then bring it back with the "undo" feature, provided that there's
sufficient memory.

--Andre


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hey all..

it seems to be "hear and tell" week... i'll join Earthlight and Sunao
(whose new loops and compositions i both just enjoyed..!)
with a submission of 4 chunks of the JFK's LSD UFO cassette.... finally we
got some stuff uploaded!!!

check it out, scare the cat and kids

http://www.jswd.net/bob/andre.htm

and info on our cassette is at my no frills site
http://www.monmouth.com/~andre on the JFK's link.

peace, andre'


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At 6:28 AM +0900 2/6/40, Sunao Inami wrote:
>Hi loopers,
>
>I uploaded my new songs to my Real Audio server.
>Please visit and listen to:
>http://210.167.212.35/CAVE_RA1.html
>
>  Regards
>
>  Sunao Inami

very nice! I enjoyed them a lot. when can we hear more?

The one with "Remix 16" in the title, is that using the akai Remix 16?
Which parts were you using it for?

kim

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At 5:54 AM -0400 5/16/98, future perfect wrote:
> I use MIDI to control the EDP's feedback level...a standard volume pedal is
>connected to the pedal input of a Ground Control, and the EDP is first in
>the MIDI chain to be controlled. Problem is, sometimes the feedback level is
>unpredictable, ie, it seems to not wait till the end of the loop to reduce
>in volume, and if I push the pedal up (off), the sound will stop, but sneak
>back in somewhere in the loop. Also, if I push the pedal off about halfway,
>and let the loop slowly die out, then push it foward, so it continues to
>repeat indefinately at this new, lower volume, the volume of the loop jumps
>erractically-it doesn't stay at a steady volume.
>Does this sound like a midi, pedal, or user problem?
>Will I have more predictable results using the Feedback jack on the back?
>Also, on an unrelated note, once the loop dies out, i assume its gone
>forever, no way to trigger it again at its original volume? I guess I can
>always copy the original loop into another loop slot....
>Forgive me, my Plex is fairly new, Im still gettin used to it...

Dave-

Part of your problem could be as Paul noted, just getting used to how
feedback works. It's a bit different from just controlling volume level,
and you might just need to practice it a bit to get the hang of it. It is a
live, real-time control, and where you use it in the loop will make a
difference. It's effect will be heard at the point in the loop where you
are moving it.

It also sounds to me as if there might be something more going on, and
things are acting a little erratic. If you decide it's not a problem with
your understanding of feedback, then my guess is that the midi controller
data to the echoplex is jumping around and mis-behaving. One possible
source of this could be a dirty pot in the pedal, causing the Ground
Control to sometimes misread it's position and send the wrong data. Or it
could be something funny with the Ground Control itself. (I don't know how
well it's continuous control pedal inputs work, some pedals are notoriously
bad and will tend to skip lots of values rather than send each number from
0-127.) Try using a different volume pedal (or cleaning it's pot), clean
the jack on the Ground Control, or try connecting the pedal directly to the
feedback pedal jack on the echoplex and see if that makes a difference.

As Andre noted, feedback is undo-able. If you have enough memory available,
you can use Undo to go backwards through the feedback reduction, which is a
cool effect.

kim

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At 12:39 PM -0700 5/16/98, Andre LaFosse wrote:

>Feedback is linked to cycles; i.e. if you have a 20-second loop which
>consists of one cycle, you won't hear feedback changes until that
>20-second loop has come around to the start point again.  However, if
>you have a 20-second loop built off of ten distinct 2-second loops,
>you'll hear an audible change in feedback every two seconds.

Actually, this isn't right. Feedback works over the whole loop, not the
cycles. If you have a 20 second loop that consists of a single 20 second
cycle, or a 20 second loop that consists of 10 2-second cycles, the effect
of feedback is the same. It wouldn't really be feedback if it did
otherwise. The feedback level is applied after the loop audio output, and
before the loop audio is mixed back into delay line, so a given bit of
audio still has to wait 20 seconds before it is heard again with the
feedback setting applied. The feedback structure looks a little bit like
this crude ascii drawing:


                                 _________
                  ______________|feedback |__________
                  |             | level   |          |
                  |             |---------|          |
                  |                                  |
 input => ------>(x)--->|=========================|------> output
                               delay line



the idea of cycles and loops (were a cycle is a subset of the loop) is
another sort of abstraction, and I'm not even very sure how best to put it
into the picture above. This is dumb, but maybe it works:

Think of the path above as a train track that goes around in a circle. Your
loop would then be the train following the track, with the front end of the
train just reaching the back. Each cycle would be a car in the train. Doing
a multiply or insert adds cars to the train and makes the track longer to
let it fit. Now, if a given car (cycle) is at the feedback level station
when you adjust the feedback, it still has to go all the way around the
whole track to get to the output.


>Building loops this way is interesting; not only can you hear feedback
>results much more quickly, but you can also set up a hidden rhythmic
>foundation for a seemingly rubato loop.  In other words, if you've got a
>loop that's built off of several different cycles from the start, then
>you can insert, multiply, and otherwise cut-and-paste the thing to
>produce highly rhythmically precise effects by working within the
>underlying seperate cycles.  It's like painting over a brick wall, and
>then adding, subtracting, or re-arranging different bricks once the
>basic picture has already been laid down.

You're absolutely right about this part. Insert and multiply offer tons of
interesting possibilities for composing loops on the fly.

kim



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Hi All,

Kim, I love this train metaphor. It made a lot of things clear for me.
Could you put NEXT LOOP in this metaphor for me. Will anything else fit?

thanks,

Randy Jones



---Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> wrote:
>
> At 12:39 PM -0700 5/16/98, Andre LaFosse wrote:
> 
> >Feedback is linked to cycles; i.e. if you have a 20-second loop which
> >consists of one cycle, you won't hear feedback changes until that
> >20-second loop has come around to the start point again.  However, if
> >you have a 20-second loop built off of ten distinct 2-second loops,
> >you'll hear an audible change in feedback every two seconds.
> 
> Actually, this isn't right. Feedback works over the whole loop, not
the
> cycles. If you have a 20 second loop that consists of a single 20
second
> cycle, or a 20 second loop that consists of 10 2-second cycles, the
effect
> of feedback is the same. It wouldn't really be feedback if it did
> otherwise. The feedback level is applied after the loop audio
output, and
> before the loop audio is mixed back into delay line, so a given bit of
> audio still has to wait 20 seconds before it is heard again with the
> feedback setting applied. The feedback structure looks a little bit
like
> this crude ascii drawing:
> 
> 
>                                  _________
>                   ______________|feedback |__________
>                   |             | level   |          |
>                   |             |---------|          |
>                   |                                  |
>  input => ------>(x)--->|=========================|------> output
>                                delay line
> 
> 
> 
> the idea of cycles and loops (were a cycle is a subset of the loop) is
> another sort of abstraction, and I'm not even very sure how best to
put it
> into the picture above. This is dumb, but maybe it works:
> 
> Think of the path above as a train track that goes around in a
circle. Your
> loop would then be the train following the track, with the front end
of the
> train just reaching the back. Each cycle would be a car in the
train. Doing
> a multiply or insert adds cars to the train and makes the track
longer to
> let it fit. Now, if a given car (cycle) is at the feedback level
station
> when you adjust the feedback, it still has to go all the way around
the
> whole track to get to the output.
> 
> 
> >Building loops this way is interesting; not only can you hear
feedback
> >results much more quickly, but you can also set up a hidden rhythmic
> >foundation for a seemingly rubato loop.  In other words, if you've
got a
> >loop that's built off of several different cycles from the start,
then
> >you can insert, multiply, and otherwise cut-and-paste the thing to
> >produce highly rhythmically precise effects by working within the
> >underlying seperate cycles.  It's like painting over a brick wall,
and
> >then adding, subtracting, or re-arranging different bricks once the
> >basic picture has already been laid down.
> 
> You're absolutely right about this part. Insert and multiply offer
tons of
> interesting possibilities for composing loops on the fly.
> 
> kim
> 
> 
> 
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hi,

Friday, May 22 The Clipper Ship will be featuring the music of Tiktok
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hi,

Friday, May 22 The Clipper Ship will be featuring the music of Tiktok
(Travis Hartnett) ( ive heard 
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rhodes) a canvas of sound featuring the Chapman Stick(r) and keys( an
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Clipper Ship is at 722 Balcones Heights Rd (at Babcock) 210-734-5409 . 

yes two loopers delight list members sharing a billing under one roof...the
texas loopfest
please come out if ya can...

thanks for readin, and supporting independant music
james



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---Dave Trenkel <improv@peak.org> wrote:
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> first PDX gig in a few years, with our new horn section
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Kim Flint wrote:
> 
> At 12:39 PM -0700 5/16/98, Andre LaFosse wrote:
> 
> >Feedback is linked to cycles; 

> Actually, this isn't right. Feedback works over the whole loop, not the
> cycles.

Jesus...!

Tell you what, Kim, why doesn't Oberheim pay me to *not* make posts
about the Echoplex.  I'd probably spare you a lot more damage control
that way!  (And knowing my propensity for confusing black with white,
I'd probably make about as much as I am right now at my minimum-wage
retail position, to boot...)

Anyway, sorry for the misinformation...

-A


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At 9:55 PM -0700 5/16/98, Andre LaFosse wrote:
>Kim Flint wrote:
>>
>> At 12:39 PM -0700 5/16/98, Andre LaFosse wrote:
>>
>> >Feedback is linked to cycles;
>
>> Actually, this isn't right. Feedback works over the whole loop, not the
>> cycles.
>
>Jesus...!
>
>Tell you what, Kim, why doesn't Oberheim pay me to *not* make posts
>about the Echoplex.  I'd probably spare you a lot more damage control
>that way!  (And knowing my propensity for confusing black with white,
>I'd probably make about as much as I am right now at my minimum-wage
>retail position, to boot...)
>
>Anyway, sorry for the misinformation...

ha!... no worries.  You had part of it right, and the wrong part just
inspired me to think up the soon-to-be-infamous and probably regretted
Train Looping Metaphor.

keep the day job....beleive me, it's a more reliable source of income....

kim

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OH!!! I was under the impression that feedback will start working only and
always at the beginning of the loop, not somewhere in the middle- this
explains a lot of things. The Ground Control has a 'pedal test' mode to see
the values being transmitted from the pedal, so I will make sure they are
right. Also, I want to try the feedback jack on the back of the Plex..Is the
feedback jack in 128 increments, or 256, or what?
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>Dave-
>
>Part of your problem could be as Paul noted, just getting used to how
>feedback works. It's a bit different from just controlling volume level,
>and you might just need to practice it a bit to get the hang of it. It is a
>live, real-time control, and where you use it in the loop will make a
>difference. It's effect will be heard at the point in the loop where you
>are moving it.
>




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At 7:53 PM -0700 5/16/98, Randy Jones wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>Kim, I love this train metaphor. It made a lot of things clear for me.
>Could you put NEXT LOOP in this metaphor for me. Will anything else fit?
>
>thanks,
>
>Randy Jones


hmmm, not the sort of Engineering I set out to do......

All Aboard!

(sorry....)

If you missed this bit before, here's the train saga so far:


>> The feedback level is applied after the loop audio output, and
>> before the loop audio is mixed back into delay line, so a given bit of
>> audio still has to wait 20 seconds before it is heard again with the
>> feedback setting applied. The feedback structure looks a little bit
>> like this crude ascii drawing:
>>
>>
>>                                  _________
>>                   ______________|feedback |__________
>>                   |             | level   |          |
>>                   |             |---------|          |
>>                   |                                  |
>>  input => ------>(x)--->|=========================|------> output
>>                                delay line
>>
>>
>>
>> the idea of cycles and loops (were a cycle is a subset of the loop) is
>> another sort of abstraction, and I'm not even very sure how best to
>> put it into the picture above. This is dumb, but maybe it works:
>>
>> Think of the path above as a train track that goes around in a circle. Your
>> loop would then be the train following the track, with the front end of the
>> train just reaching the back. Each cycle would be a car in the train. Doing
>> a multiply or insert adds cars to the train and makes the track longer to
>> let it fit. Now, if a given car (cycle) is at the feedback level station
>> when you adjust the feedback, it still has to go all the way around the
>> whole track to get to the output.

ok, NextLoop rides the rails:

If a single loop is like a circular train track, then multiple loops are
like several circular train tracks lying next to each other. Each can have
a train on it, but only one of the trains gets to go at a time. Only that
one has the input and output tracks connected to it. The audio riding on
the train gets on and off there.

When you press NextLoop, the train we are on stops and just sits there, and
a the train on one of the other tracks starts up. The tracks to the input
and output loading docks get connected to the new track.

If there is no train on the next track yet, you press Record to build a new
track and put a train on it. This train starts off with one car (a flexible
one, I guess). Using multiply and Insert adds new cars, as previously noted.

If you have Switch Quantize on and you press NextLoop, the guy who controls
the track switching waits until the car currently at the output dock gets
completely past it before throwing the switch.

If you do a loop copy, the audio on the current train gets a transfer to go
to the new train. It gets off the first train in orderly fashion and gets
onto the new train, along with any new audio passengers. Actually, it
doesn't get off the first train. A mad scientist has a lab under the
transfer station where he runs a secret cloning operation, so it's an
identical copy bording the new train and the original has to stay on the
old train.

If you do a time copy, the audio doesn't get to transfer, but the guys who
build the new train and track make sure to use cars that are the same size
as the previous train.


If this helped you, well, at least something is....:-)

Somebody else can figure out where midi clock fits into all this.

kim

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>OH!!! I was under the impression that feedback will start working only and
>always at the beginning of the loop, not somewhere in the middle- this
>explains a lot of things. The Ground Control has a 'pedal test' mode to see
>the values being transmitted from the pedal, so I will make sure they are
>right. Also, I want to try the feedback jack on the back of the Plex..Is the
>feedback jack in 128 increments, or 256, or what?

The jack is actually 256 increments, although you probably won't note much
difference between one and the other.

kim

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I guess I was confused by the second paragraph on the 'Feedback Knob' page
of the manual-one more clarification...if you set the feedback to 0 in the
middle of the loop, it will wait till that same point in the loop the next
time around to go to 0, instead of going to 0 at the end of the loop the
next time around, right? Yeah, the manual gets a bit confusing here, it says
that it will wait till the end of the loop, or am I misunderstanding?
Dave Eichenberger



>>OH!!! I was under the impression that feedback will start working only and
>>always at the beginning of the loop, not somewhere in the middle- this
>>explains a lot of things.




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At 4:27 AM -0400 5/17/98, future perfect wrote:
>I guess I was confused by the second paragraph on the 'Feedback Knob' page
>of the manual-one more clarification...if you set the feedback to 0 in the
>middle of the loop, it will wait till that same point in the loop the next
>time around to go to 0, instead of going to 0 at the end of the loop the
>next time around, right?

yes, that's right.

>Yeah, the manual gets a bit confusing here, it says
>that it will wait till the end of the loop, or am I misunderstanding?
>Dave Eichenberger

I think warren meant you wait for an entire loop length before the feedback
effect is heard. I guess an assumption was made that the reader would have
a real-time, delay-centric view of things, as opposed to a
start-point/stop-point, sampler-like viewpoint.

kim

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Hey folks,

In cruising around the web I've lately noticed a number of other mailing
lists with way-cool web based archiving. Posts to the list get
automatically converted to html, stored in the archive, and sorted with
cool thread indexing. There's nifty search features, forward/back links,
the whole bit.

I want one for Looper's Delight too! What we have now is manually generated
by me, which means it never gets updated, and you don't get any of those
other cool navigation features.

As I understand, these archives are being done with a freeware Perl program
called mhonarc, in combination with another program called glimpse for
searching.

So, any of you Unix and Perl experts want to take a crack at this? Seems to
me you might need to know a reasonable amount about how mail servers work
too. I briefly looked at the web pages though, and there seems to be plenty
of documentation and examples so I don't imagine it would be that
difficult. Here's the pages:

http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html
http://donkey.CS.Arizona.EDU/webglimpse/


any volunteers? pretty-please?

remember: if it weren't for people pitching in to help out around here,
Looper's Delight would really suck. we need you!

kim

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DT-

Tried to check out the knitfact show but nothing would show up on 
realaudio...

this stuff is gonna be released tho yeah?


selam,

buck

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jb,
>this stuff is gonna be released tho yeah?
s'posed ta be!
best,
dt


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hi all,

i'm glad someone else brought up a question on the edp's feedback 
control.  i'm controlling mine with an ernie ball volume pedal plugged 
directly into the feedback jack on the back.

the problem i'm having is this:  there isn't much of a variation in the 
feedback level until i get to the last 10% or so of the pedal's range.  
this makes it very hard for my extra-clumsy feet to control.  often, 
i'll accidentally bring the feedback level all the way down for an 
instant which will completely cut out a section of audio.  annoying.  
btw, i've tried several pedals with the same results.

so, is there a way to set the range of the feedback control on the edp?  
or can i switch pots on the volume pedal?

tia,
matt

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Kim,

Do you know how *&%$%$#@ brilliant you are.  That NextLoop metaphor was extremely
useful in helping me (a non-EDP user) understand some of the things you EDP people
discuss.  It is no small talent to be able to describe such events in layman's
terms.




Kim Flint wrote:

> At 7:53 PM -0700 5/16/98, Randy Jones wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >
> >Kim, I love this train metaphor. It made a lot of things clear for me.
> >Could you put NEXT LOOP in this metaphor for me. Will anything else fit?
> >
> >thanks,
> >
> >Randy Jones
>
> hmmm, not the sort of Engineering I set out to do......
>
> All Aboard!
>
> (sorry....)
>
> If you missed this bit before, here's the train saga so far:
>
> >> The feedback level is applied after the loop audio output, and
> >> before the loop audio is mixed back into delay line, so a given bit of
> >> audio still has to wait 20 seconds before it is heard again with the
> >> feedback setting applied. The feedback structure looks a little bit
> >> like this crude ascii drawing:
> >>
> >>
> >>                                  _________
> >>                   ______________|feedback |__________
> >>                   |             | level   |          |
> >>                   |             |---------|          |
> >>                   |                                  |
> >>  input => ------>(x)--->|=========================|------> output
> >>                                delay line
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> the idea of cycles and loops (were a cycle is a subset of the loop) is
> >> another sort of abstraction, and I'm not even very sure how best to
> >> put it into the picture above. This is dumb, but maybe it works:
> >>
> >> Think of the path above as a train track that goes around in a circle. Your
> >> loop would then be the train following the track, with the front end of the
> >> train just reaching the back. Each cycle would be a car in the train. Doing
> >> a multiply or insert adds cars to the train and makes the track longer to
> >> let it fit. Now, if a given car (cycle) is at the feedback level station
> >> when you adjust the feedback, it still has to go all the way around the
> >> whole track to get to the output.
>
> ok, NextLoop rides the rails:
>
> If a single loop is like a circular train track, then multiple loops are
> like several circular train tracks lying next to each other. Each can have
> a train on it, but only one of the trains gets to go at a time. Only that
> one has the input and output tracks connected to it. The audio riding on
> the train gets on and off there.
>
> When you press NextLoop, the train we are on stops and just sits there, and
> a the train on one of the other tracks starts up. The tracks to the input
> and output loading docks get connected to the new track.
>
> If there is no train on the next track yet, you press Record to build a new
> track and put a train on it. This train starts off with one car (a flexible
> one, I guess). Using multiply and Insert adds new cars, as previously noted.
>
> If you have Switch Quantize on and you press NextLoop, the guy who controls
> the track switching waits until the car currently at the output dock gets
> completely past it before throwing the switch.
>
> If you do a loop copy, the audio on the current train gets a transfer to go
> to the new train. It gets off the first train in orderly fashion and gets
> onto the new train, along with any new audio passengers. Actually, it
> doesn't get off the first train. A mad scientist has a lab under the
> transfer station where he runs a secret cloning operation, so it's an
> identical copy bording the new train and the original has to stay on the
> old train.
>
> If you do a time copy, the audio doesn't get to transfer, but the guys who
> build the new train and track make sure to use cars that are the same size
> as the previous train.
>
> If this helped you, well, at least something is....:-)
>
> Somebody else can figure out where midi clock fits into all this.
>
> kim
>
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Anyone got Pat Murphy's e-mail address?

He is the Obie-guy, right?

Thanks,

Pete



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Pete
You can contact me at <pmurphy@gibson.com> or Michael Ayers at
<cayers@gibson.com>.
Michael is the customer service rep and I am a combination "product
specialist/sales guy".
We are here if you need us.
thanks
Pat


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>He is the Obie-guy, right?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Pete
> 



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From: NEMOGUIT <NEMOGUIT@aol.com>
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a few reviews of nemoguits sunday nite bedroom concert:
".......he made us laugh, he made us cry............"
"..........klobuchar should not be allowed to have more children......."
"........i loved all the little blinking  red lights......"
"......a perfect evening except for the un-made bed.........."
".......guitars shouldn't sound like that......."
"........give him a one-way ticket anywhere........"
"......who were all the smiling people in the funny hats?........."
oh well, no-one said it would be pretty.  Kim, thanks also from this non-plexi
guy for the great train insites. if only am-trac were so
clear..............michael


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In a message dated 98-05-18 10:50:18 EDT, you write:

<< a few reviews of nemoguits sunday nite bedroom concert: >>

funny... I tried scalping tickets to the bedroom concert, but everybody I
approached said "his bedroom? NOTHING interesting happens in there!"

- Bill *I had to go there... I HAD to....*
Crossedout@aol.com


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Greetings, fellow loopers.  Someone recently remarked on the concentration
of loopers around Ithaca, NY ... thought I'd let you all know about an
upcoming performance:


	Friday, May 22, 9:30 pm

	Peter Chwazik - bass, loops
	Robby Aceto (fellow list member) - guitar, even more loops
	Bill King - drums & sampled percussion
	me - keyboards, loops

	performing music from my new "Accidental Beauties" CD and improvising
	ABC Cafe, 308 Stewart Ave., Ithaca, NY  (607) 277-4770
	a pleasant, small venue
	$4 cover


So as not to consume list bandwidth later, I'll announce these too:

	Friday, June 5, 12-1 pm
	Deane Delli-Bovi, keyboards
		(his music is a more contemporary instrumental/new age/fusion vibe)
	me - keyboards, loops
		(I will do my space thing too)
	Aurora St. pavilion, Ithaca Commons, Ithaca, NY
	(Ithaca Festival)

	Sunday, June 7, 2-3 pm
	Outspeak:
		Peter Chwazik - bass, loops
		Bill King - drums
		me - keyboards, no looping on this one I think
		(an abstract, highly improvised accompaniment to a dance performance)
	Stewart Park, Ithaca, NY
	(Ithaca Festival)

Feel free to email me for directions, and please say hi if you attend.

Doug


--
 Doug Wyatt                             doug@sonosphere.com
 Sonosphere (electric/improv music)     http://www.sonosphere.com/
 "Accidental Beauties" CD release:      http://www.sonosphere.com/wyatt/




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Ahh! good ole ITHACA, NY - birthplace of good loopers.

Regards;
jp


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Hey y'all,


Sorry, no looping content, just great music. I just saw a band last night,
that if you're one of these towns, could treat you to a fine musical
experience:

	The Clusone Trio: Michael Moore, alto saxophone and clarinet; the
legendary Han Bennink, drum set (and theatricality); Ernst Reisjeiger,
cello. They're all great players and make for a wonderful and semi-dadaistic
concert experience. (They're based in Amsterdam, so stateside folk, this is
your big chance.)

	18 May: Santa Cruz (Kuumbwa)
	19 May: Berkeley (Beanbenders)
	20 May: Arcadia (unknown venue)
	21 May Seattle (unknown venue)
	22 May Vancouver (unknown venue)

	24 May (?): Bath England

	Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled programming . . .



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Some Boomerang specs 4U:

Mikell D. Nelson wrote:
> 
> Hi Randy,
>   Here's the schtick. Sampling specs: 16 bit samples, linear PCM, no
> compression, 16K and
> 8K sampling rates.
> As always, let your ears be the final judge not the specs.
> 
> Mike Nelson, co-owner
> 
> Boomerang Musical Products
> PO Box 541595
> Dallas, TX 75354-1595
> 
> Tel       800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913)
> Fax       214-343-1038
> email     mnelson@dmans.com
> web page  http://www.boomerangmusic.com

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use a pedal with a linear taper pot instead of an audio taper pot. Or
change the pot in the volume pedal you are using to linear, 20k.

there's no way to set the range in the echoplex, but its a simple thing to
do by using different types of potentiometers or putting resistors in
series with the potentiometer.

If you use midi, most controller devices let you set the range of a
continuous controller, which is another option.

kim


>hi all,
>
>i'm glad someone else brought up a question on the edp's feedback
>control.  i'm controlling mine with an ernie ball volume pedal plugged
>directly into the feedback jack on the back.
>
>the problem i'm having is this:  there isn't much of a variation in the
>feedback level until i get to the last 10% or so of the pedal's range.
>this makes it very hard for my extra-clumsy feet to control.  often,
>i'll accidentally bring the feedback level all the way down for an
>instant which will completely cut out a section of audio.  annoying.
>btw, i've tried several pedals with the same results.
>
>so, is there a way to set the range of the feedback control on the edp?
>or can i switch pots on the volume pedal?
>
>tia,
>matt
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Is there any way to get the sampling rate up to 18 or 20 bit?
Jeff Collins
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>Some Boomerang specs 4U:
>
>Mikell D. Nelson wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Randy,
>>   Here's the schtick. Sampling specs: 16 bit samples, linear PCM, no
>> compression, 16K and
>> 8K sampling rates.
>> As always, let your ears be the final judge not the specs.
>> 
>> Mike Nelson, co-owner
>> 
>> Boomerang Musical Products
>> PO Box 541595
>> Dallas, TX 75354-1595
>> 
>> Tel       800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913)
>> Fax       214-343-1038
>> email     mnelson@dmans.com
>> web page  http://www.boomerangmusic.com
>
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>
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<<use a pedal with a linear taper pot>>
Anybody know where to get these...especially in stereo?
dpc


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I'm fairly certain the word size is fixed.  But I'm waiting
to hear back from Mikell on "at what point is the 16k rate
reduced to 8k?".  I'll let you know.

-Randy

COLLINSCLAN wrote:
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> Is there any way to get the sampling rate up to 18 or 20 bit?
> Jeff Collins
> collinsclan@sprintmail.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Reichenbach <randy@cdac.com>
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 1:20 PM
> Subject: [Fwd: Rang Sample Rate]
> 
> >Some Boomerang specs 4U:
> >
> >Mikell D. Nelson wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Randy,
> >>   Here's the schtick. Sampling specs: 16 bit samples, linear PCM, no
> >> compression, 16K and
> >> 8K sampling rates.
> >> As always, let your ears be the final judge not the specs.
> >>
> >> Mike Nelson, co-owner
> >>
> >> Boomerang Musical Products
> >> PO Box 541595
> >> Dallas, TX 75354-1595
> >>
> >> Tel       800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913)
> >> Fax       214-343-1038
> >> email     mnelson@dmans.com
> >> web page  http://www.boomerangmusic.com
> >
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> >     `------'     = Bellevue, Washington  98006               =
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> >... Get some!     =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >
> >

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     `------'     = Bellevue, Washington  98006               =
                  = Tel: 425.643.0200  Fax: 425.649.7600      =
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Mouser Electronics (www.mouser.com) has
  25k linears for $1.25 (US)
  10k, 50k dual-ganged (stereo) for $2.35 (US)

Digi-Key and PAIA also have at least the single pots.

Dpcoffin wrote:
> 
> <<use a pedal with a linear taper pot>>
> Anybody know where to get these...especially in stereo?
> dpc


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>I'm fairly certain the word size is fixed.  But I'm waiting
>to hear back from Mikell on "at what point is the 16k rate
>reduced to 8k?".  I'll let you know.

I believe it's when you use the longest available recording time.  The 
Boomerang has the ability to double the max loop time available by 
sampling at half the rate.

Travis Hartnett


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don't use the 10k...25k or 50k would be fine.

(thanks, Randy)

kim

At 10:57 AM 5/18/98 -0700, Randy Reichenbach wrote:
>Mouser Electronics (www.mouser.com) has
>  25k linears for $1.25 (US)
>  10k, 50k dual-ganged (stereo) for $2.35 (US)
>
>Digi-Key and PAIA also have at least the single pots.
>
>Dpcoffin wrote:
>> 
>> <<use a pedal with a linear taper pot>>
>> Anybody know where to get these...especially in stereo?
>> dpc



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that was pretty damn funny if i must say so
vedo


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In a message dated 98-05-18 13:52:58 EDT, you write:

<< <<use a pedal with a linear taper pot>>
 Anybody know where to get these...especially in stereo?
 dpc
  >>
I'd imagine Radio Shack would carry them - if not, buzz me and let me know - I
went to a Ham Radio festival and came back with about 500 pots, and I probably
have one among them. 

- Bill 
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Kim:
>Actually, this isn't right. Feedback works over the whole loop, not the
>cycles. If you have a 20 second loop that consists of a single 20 second
>cycle, or a 20 second loop that consists of 10 2-second cycles, the effect
>of feedback is the same. It wouldn't really be feedback if it did
>otherwise. The feedback level is applied after the loop audio output, and
>before the loop audio is mixed back into delay line, so a given bit of
>audio still has to wait 20 seconds before it is heard again with the
>feedback setting applied. The feedback structure looks a little bit like
>this crude ascii drawing:
>
>
>                                 _________
>                  ______________|feedback |__________
>                  |             | level   |          |
>                  |             |---------|          |
>                  |                                  |
> input => ------>(x)--->|=========================|------> output
>                               delay line
>

Has anyone tried setting a JamMan delay to single repeat (ie FB=1), taken
one of the outputs and fed it back through a volume pedal and mixer into
the input?  It would be one way of getting control over feedback, with the
only problem being the difficulty in matching the i/p and o/p to make sure
the loop doesn't either get louder or quieter ehen the pedal's on bypass.
If that were to work it would allow fading and replacing; added to the
delay-based looping advantages previously discussed, it would give more
functionality than regular JM looping, except for the use of multiple loops.

Michael


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Our stick-playing mr. Levin plugged:

>Wayside Music also distributes The Dark Aether Project CD at a very decent
>price. Just remember, bulk orders save on shipping costs! 8)

You're probably sick of being asked this.... any relation to the OTHER
stick-playing mr Levin?

Michael

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Hi.  I've searched the archive for helpful information, but found such a huge list of complete digests that I couldn't find anything.

What I'd like to know is if there exists looping software for windows.  I'm not talking
about a real-time echoplex-simulation sort of thing, which is a huge project, but just
something that can play sound files in a bunch of loops.

Using a tracker/sequencer might be the best bet, but the problem here is that if I
want to create any drum loops, they have to be all the same length--the length of
the block.   What would be useful here is 2 drum programs, side by side.  In MIDI,
not sequencer mode.  In addition, if I want to use a sample in a tracker, 
I have to somehow keep adding empty blocks to the program--or else every time the
track returns to the beginning spot, it hits the loop at the beginning and screws
it up.

MIDI programs, while good for loop creation using cut and paste (though you have to
know beforehand how many you're going to do), lose the sample aspect.

Is there a program specifically for looping?  Here's what would be perfect, and it
already exists in lame form: if you go to the shockrave site on the net, they
frequently have these little mixer programs in shockwave.  Each of six tracks or
so plays a loop, which you can select and change the volume of, etc.  I could see
that working perfectly, three or four drum tracks I program in different time
signatures, a couple freaky noises, etc.  Does such a thing, configurable, exist?

Failing that, anyone else out there creating looping music by software?  How do
you do it?

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>What I'd like to know is if there exists looping software for windows.  I'm not talking
>about a real-time echoplex-simulation sort of thing, which is a huge project, but just
>something that can play sound files in a bunch of loops.

You want Acid from Sonic Foundry.

www.sfoundry.com

- BM



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I think any good audio/sequencer would do your job. You can add either
on top of each other or one after the after, on several tracks if
necesssary, any sample you'd like to use. There no reason to use a
"cycle" mode. Just paste one after the other you samples. That whay you
can edit some for adding diversity, manipulate each as your needs would
eventually meet.  You would then just create a file the length of your
"song", and make samples "appear" where you want, regardless of their
length.
Besides you would still be able to add a few midi tracks, which is
always handy.
Your advice people?

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Randy,

Here's a copy of an email I sent to Jeff Collins.

COLLINSCLAN wrote:
> 
> Is there any way to get the sampling rate up to 18 or 20 bit?
> Jeff Collins

Hi Jeff,
  Just a quick correction. The number of bits per sample is not the
sampling rate. The sampling rate is the number of samples taken per
second and affects the maximum frequency that can be recorded. The
number of bits per sample, or sample width, affects the dynamic range
available - difference in the softest and loudest sound that can be
recorded.
  The Boomerang Phrase Sampler always uses 16 bit samples and has 2 user
selectable sample rates: 16KHz and 8KHz. The sample width of this
product will not be changed though future products will undoubtedly have
wider samples and/or higher sample rates.
  Hope this clears up any Rang questions.

Best regards,

Mike Nelson, co-owner

Boomerang Musical Products
PO Box 541595
Dallas, TX 75354-1595

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What would be fantastic is to find some software (I use a PC) that one could load a number of samples into, then play them back in a User-controlled order.  Ie. (since that doesn't even make sense to me) you have 4 samples;  you start the program looping sample #1; this continues until you tell the program to loop sample #2; it does this without a break in the music/sound.  Ideally, the new loop/sample wouldn't necessarily start until the end point of the previous loop/sample.  This would gear the program more towards a performance-type result, although you wouldn't be able to record loops live (they would be prerecorded samples).  If there's software that does that, I would be very pleased.

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The softewaer you are asking for has just been released to retail stores
this week. ACID by Sonic Foundry does everything you mention and much much
more. It's AWESOME to the max ! There's a demo on their website. Try it out
and you're certain to love this software !

Bill Cummings
drums@myself.com

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>Hi.  I've searched the archive for helpful information, but found such a
huge list of complete digests that I couldn't find anything.
>
>What I'd like to know is if there exists looping software for windows.  I'm
not talking
>about a real-time echoplex-simulation sort of thing, which is a huge
project, but just
>something that can play sound files in a bunch of loops.
>
>Using a tracker/sequencer might be the best bet, but the problem here is
that if I
>want to create any drum loops, they have to be all the same length--the
length of
>the block.   What would be useful here is 2 drum programs, side by side.
In MIDI,
>not sequencer mode.  In addition, if I want to use a sample in a tracker,
>I have to somehow keep adding empty blocks to the program--or else every
time the
>track returns to the beginning spot, it hits the loop at the beginning and
screws
>it up.
>
>MIDI programs, while good for loop creation using cut and paste (though you
have to
>know beforehand how many you're going to do), lose the sample aspect.
>
>Is there a program specifically for looping?  Here's what would be perfect,
and it
>already exists in lame form: if you go to the shockrave site on the net,
they
>frequently have these little mixer programs in shockwave.  Each of six
tracks or
>so plays a loop, which you can select and change the volume of, etc.  I
could see
>that working perfectly, three or four drum tracks I program in different
time
>signatures, a couple freaky noises, etc.  Does such a thing, configurable,
exist?
>
>Failing that, anyone else out there creating looping music by software?
How do
>you do it?
>
>   "It's going to be either me or everyone else I kill,
>    so pray for my quick suicide." - afn39111@afn.org
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Hi all , I advice you to check these softwares out. They might not be exactly what you are looking for , but anyone on this list could use them. Here goes:

Hammerhead ,  drumloops

Mellonsoftron , a softwaresampler , lets you trigger wavs

Rebirth , sounds and looks like the old roland classics for bass and drums- techno style

Rubberduck , a bass machine with some groovey filters.........


These beuties are the best I can come up with.........I really dont know where to find them , but they have been mentioned on the list from time to time.........anyone?

Hope this helps a lil`bit.  

Yours , Thomas




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Making waves is another looping soft to check
http://www.pslnet.demon.co.uk/gra_indx.htm

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Cheers, dude.  This concert was remarkable.  The bassist stole the show -- what a genius!  That's not a cello -- it's a guitar, it's Jaco Pastorius, it's a guitar, it's a cello, it's a violin, it's Hendrix...  What a dude.
	Thank you very much for letting me know about it.  Saw them in Berkeley and they were *fantastic*!  Very funny Mr. Bennink, very great physical expressions, his playing was very energetic, very skillful.  Mr. Moore was right on the button.  Their ensemble is quite striking, and the effects of their chemistry were like fireworks.  What a great show.
	If you're near, don't miss it!

Javier
Berkeley 

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Hey y'all,


Sorry, no looping content, just great music. I just saw a band last night,
that if you're one of these towns, could treat you to a fine musical
experience:

	The Clusone Trio: Michael Moore, alto saxophone and clarinet; the
legendary Han Bennink, drum set (and theatricality); Ernst Reisjeiger,
cello. They're all great players and make for a wonderful and semi-dadaistic
concert experience. (They're based in Amsterdam, so stateside folk, this is
your big chance.)

	18 May: Santa Cruz (Kuumbwa)
	19 May: Berkeley (Beanbenders)
	20 May: Arcadia (unknown venue)
	21 May Seattle (unknown venue)
	22 May Vancouver (unknown venue)

	24 May (?): Bath England

	Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled programming . . .


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Again, any sequencer midi/audio and any sampler by itself, anyway,  can do that.

Olivier Malhomme

Jon Grant a crit:

> What would be fantastic is to find some software (I use a PC) that one could load a number of samples into, then play them back in a User-controlled order.  Ie. (since that doesn't even make sense to me) you have 4 samples;  you start the program looping sample #1; this continues until you tell the program to loop sample #2; it does this without a break in the music/sound.  Ideally, the new loop/sample wouldn't necessarily start until the end point of the previous loop/sample.  This would gear the program more towards a performance-type result, although you wouldn't be able to record loops live (they would be prerecorded samples).  If there's software that does that, I would be very pleased.
>
>                 Jon Grant
>                 Tian Music
>                 www.aracnet.net/~tianmus





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Although I own several electric gtrs it seems every once in a while I
get an urge to buy another. At the moment the epiphone les paul has
caught my eye. I am also intrigued by the possibility of building my own
eletric and carvin(my favorite american gtr maker) has an interesting
kit. I know many loopers are gtrsts, so if the rest of you don't mind,
to my fellow gtrplyrs I ask, "what has caught your eyes, ears or pockets
with the gtrs of all price ranges on the US market these days? I am
concerned with depletion of natural resources and am seriously pondering
the thought of buying used junk cheap and doing serious eletronic
upgrades as a protest in favor of trees. I think about this kind of
stuff. do you? 
anyone interested in gtr talk but not wanting to waste looper space can
contact me privately.

jparada@changenow.com

http://www.changenow.com

ps.N.y. area sam ash stores are having a midnite sale this thurs.the
time is right to make a purchase. I have overtime pay burning a hole in
my pocket.



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At 16.42 19/05/98 -0400, you wrote:
>What would be fantastic is to find some software (I use a PC) that one
could load a number of samples into, then play them back in a
User-controlled order.  Ie. (since that doesn't even make sense to me) you
have 4 samples;  you start the program looping sample #1; this continues
until you tell the program to loop sample #2; it does this without a break
in the music/sound.  Ideally, the new loop/sample wouldn't necessarily start
until the end point of the previous loop/sample.  This would gear the
program more towards a performance-type result, although you wouldn't be
able to record loops live (they would be prerecorded samples).  If there's
software that does that, I would be very pleased.
>
>		Jon Grant
>		Tian Music
>		www.aracnet.net/~tianmus
>
>

I've had the chance to try one of the first betas of Acid by Sonic Foundry.
Last night I donloaded the demo too. as someone already said this prog could
be your perfect choice. It's really oriented to loop music. Clearly they
thought to dance stuff mainly but Acid could be used to fit every other need.

the main thing of Acid is its time strech/expand capability, all in real
time, all without a glitch. No surprise if this thing will be used by Djs
along turntables. It could be really interesting.
The interface is amazingly intuitive and simple. I think you have X tracks
depending on your RAM and the lenghts of the samples you import. On every
track you can program volume, pan changes and FX amount on the 2 FX send. No
FX included but Direct X compatible. 

This is its basic funtioning: you import a pre edited 1 bar groove on track
n.1. The groove will fit immediatly the time that you have selected in Acid,
with no pitch variation. The you import a bass line in track 2, recorded at
a different tempo, and it will adjust tha phrase in real time to fit the
exact bpm. And so on.

Altough there are a lot of other progs that can stretch audio files with
good results, I don't know any other that can do this in real time and in a
non destructive way. 

For looping purposes this could be a great thing to edit loop compositions.
There's a record function too (on th beta was not perfectly functioning, on
the demo I've not tried yet) so you can use it also as a multitrack
recorder. The only thing that I was disappointed with were the music demos
dwonloadable from their site. They don't make justice to the potentialities
of the prog. It's simply shit. I've just tweaked the prog and came with some
incredible results respect the demos. 

Hey, I don't work for Sonic Foundry. :)

ciao
leo

 



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At 00.43 20/05/98 +0200, you wrote:
>
>Hi all , I advice you to check these softwares out. They might not be
exactly what you are looking for , but anyone on this list could use them.
Here goes:
>
>Hammerhead ,  drumloops
>
>Mellonsoftron , a softwaresampler , lets you trigger wavs
>
>Rebirth , sounds and looks like the old roland classics for bass and drums-
techno style
>
>Rubberduck , a bass machine with some groovey filters.........
>
>
>These beuties are the best I can come up with.........I really dont know
where to find them , but they have been mentioned on the list from time to
time.........anyone?
>
>Hope this helps a lil`bit.  
>
>Yours , Thomas
>

Hey, I've got them all :), plus more. Every one has its peculiarities and I
use for different things, often combining each prog result in VST.

Let me know if you wanna know more specifically.

ciao
leo 



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At 00.11 20/05/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Cheers, dude.  This concert was remarkable.  The bassist stole the show --
what a genius!  That's not a cello -- it's a guitar, it's Jaco Pastorius,
it's a guitar, it's a cello, it's a violin, it's Hendrix...  What a dude.
>	Thank you very much for letting me know about it.  Saw them in Berkeley
and they were *fantastic*!  Very funny Mr. Bennink, very great physical
expressions, his playing was very energetic, very skillful.  Mr. Moore was
right on the button.  Their ensemble is quite striking, and the effects of
their chemistry were like fireworks.  What a great show.
>	If you're near, don't miss it!
>

I saw them 3 times and I agree with you: they are incredible musicians.

ciao
leo



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On Wed, 20 May 1998, Leonardo Cavallo wrote:

> At 16.42 19/05/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >What would be fantastic is to find some software (I use a PC) that one
> could load a number of samples into, then play them back in a
> User-controlled order.  

I don't think anyone has mentioned software for the Mac titled "Back to
Basics". It was developed by some students/artists at CMU who use it in
the Devoesque band Operation Reinformation (O.R.I.) 

This software plays samples and everything is trigger by a computer
keyboard. depending on which function keys and combinations you press you
can make the sound louder, stretch, play backwards, etc etc. It's done
totally live.

They just finished a tour and showed up onstage with four MAc powerbooks
and computer keybaords strapped to their chests guitar style. It was
hilarious but in reality they actually really could *play* those damn
things too.

I forget the URLl of their website but you can do a searc on Back to
Basics or Operation Reinformation and probably find it. I belive they said
they were also going to make a PC version. Either way the sowftar was damn
cheap (around $20 or so as I recall).

Their CD is great too btw...


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Hello, All!

I found an interesting shareware program called "SoundRaider" (www.andyw.com/raider).  It 
doesn't do what you're looking for, but it's hugely fun.  When launched, SoundRaider scans 
your drive for WAV files (you can restrict its search to a particular directory and 
subdirectories).  Then, on a periodic basis, it randomly selects a file, randomly selects 
a portion of the file (I think), randomly applies changes (half-speed, double speed, etc), 
and loops a portion of the file.  It does this process on five independent channels.  From 
the SoundRaider homepage:

"SoundRaider is a music creation tool that works by scanning your hard drive for WAV 
format sounds and uses them to create industrial-ambient sound.Leave SoundRaider running 
on the desktop and listen to your hard drive muttering to itself."

Now what I find especially cool, is how the content of the WAV files effect the operation. 
 For example, use a bunch of drum patterns and you get one effect, use files of spoken 
word and you get a totally different effect.  I have a bunch of didjeridu, Tibetan singing 
bowl, and Waterphone wave files and I get a cool etheral thing happening (most of the 
time).

I plan on using this in live performance but I haven't exactly decided how, yet.

Is it art?  Is it Art?  Who cares?

- Dennis Leas


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Yes, please remove me also... - thanks

Peter
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>Kim:
>
>I am overwhelmed with forwarded e-mail - please remove me from the list
>serv
>Thanks: Paul
>
>



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At 08.18 20/05/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello, All!
>
>I found an interesting shareware program called "SoundRaider"
(www.andyw.com/raider).  It 
>doesn't do what you're looking for, but it's hugely fun.  When launched,
SoundRaider scans 
>your drive for WAV files (you can restrict its search to a particular
directory and 
>subdirectories).  Then, on a periodic basis, it randomly selects a file,
randomly selects 
>a portion of the file (I think), randomly applies changes (half-speed,
double speed, etc), 
>and loops a portion of the file.  It does this process on five independent
channels.  From 
>the SoundRaider homepage:


check www.groovemaker.com

ciao
leo



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Yes, I could send this offline, but I feel that since we all live
on the same earth, the issue of wasted trees affects us all.
The trees deserve all the help and publicity they can get...


John + Diane,

I echo your plea for the trees.  I decided last year that I might
change my career from engineering to guitar building.  Learning the
trade has been a rewarding, but sometimes a dissonant experience,
because my only love greater than my love for music, is my love for
nature and life.  I feel physical pain whenever I see a load of trees
being hauled off from my favorite forests.  Yet I contribute to their
use.   

Fortunately there are others who feel like us, and have found
alternatives to the mass destruction of endangered trees.

Dave Maize is a very friendly builder who not only builds from
non endangered and reclaimed woods, but sells his wood alternatives
to other builders. Believe it or not, there are excellent substitutes
for Ebony and Rosewood. 
  http://www.ashland.net/maize/

Other Eco-Friendly Builders
  http://www.essentialstrings.com/lawrence.htm
  http://www.zonguitars.com/zon.faqs.html

Roundtable Discussion of Environmental Guitar Building  
  http://www.mtobiasd.com/mtd/roundtbl.html "Out of the Woods"

SmartWood - Practical Conservation Through Certified Forestry
 
http://www.rainforest-alliance.org/rfa_live_cgi/swm.cgi?caller=hp_f2%2Ecgi


Possibly, the key to having our trees and loving them too, is to at
least learn to give up the use of endangered woods, and use non
endangered
alternatives (maple, cedar, redwood, katalox, granadillo, walnut,
Plastic,
etc.), reclaimed woods, or woods from sources certified by SmartWood.

Cheers,
Randy


Once upon a time, John + Diane Parada wrote:
> 
> Although I own several electric gtrs it seems every once in a while I
> get an urge to buy another. At the moment the epiphone les paul has
> caught my eye. I am also intrigued by the possibility of building my own
> eletric and carvin(my favorite american gtr maker) has an interesting
> kit. I know many loopers are gtrsts, so if the rest of you don't mind,
> to my fellow gtrplyrs I ask, "what has caught your eyes, ears or pockets
> with the gtrs of all price ranges on the US market these days? I am
> concerned with depletion of natural resources and am seriously pondering
> the thought of buying used junk cheap and doing serious eletronic
> upgrades as a protest in favor of trees. I think about this kind of
> stuff. do you?
> anyone interested in gtr talk but not wanting to waste looper space can
> contact me privately.
> 
> jparada@changenow.com
> 
> http://www.changenow.com
> 
> ps.N.y. area sam ash stores are having a midnite sale this thurs.the
> time is right to make a purchase. I have overtime pay burning a hole in
> my pocket.

-- 

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>Yes, please remove me also... - thanks
>
>Peter
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>>Kim:
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>>I am overwhelmed with forwarded e-mail - please remove me from the list
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>>Thanks: Paul
>>

Looks like its time for another episode of "irritated list owner's
unsubscribing diatribe." Enjoy.


*************************************************


OK, I don't say this very often (or ever), but seems like this is a good
time, since I'm now completely sick of spending so much time helping people
with this.

Subscribing and Unsubscribing to this mailing list, as with every other
mailing list on the entire Internet, is *AUTOMATED ON A SERVER*. That means
that there is a computer where you send the request, and it handles it
automatically. There are *NO HUMANS* involved in this process. If you post
a message like this to the list, there is no human (or at least no willing
human) who will then go and send the commands to the server for you. You
have to do it all by yourself!

There is a page on the Looper's Delight website that explains how to do this:

http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html

Some other things to note:

- When emailing commands to the server, don't strike up a conversation. The
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- There is only one way to spell the word "subscribe" and only one way to
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people could come up with to misspell these words. If the email has only
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The computer will not understand creative reinterpretations of the spelling
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- Turn your sig file off. The computer will not be impressed by your nifty
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file on.

- If you are using hotmail or one of the other free email services that
automatically attach sig file advertisements, you're screwed. You'll have
to mail me and ask for help, and wait until I have time to get around to
it. You get what you pay for.

- Some newer email programs default to send email as HTML code. TURN THIS
OPTION OFF. Not only does it screw up the server, most people who do not
use these mail programs will be profoundly irritated by you. Just because
morons at Netscape and Microsoft thought this was a good idea does not mean
you should stoop to their level.

- Don't send subscribe requests to the list address. There is a separate
address for this. Nobody actually cares if you are subscribing or
unsubscribing.

- If you get an error from the server from your request mail, don't resend
the exact same thing to the server 600 times. Expecting different results
from the exact same actions is one definition of insanity. It's probably
also an indicator of pure, unadulterated stupidity. Try to be above that.

- this is really not complicated. Just follow the directions, and you will
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kim

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this was sent to me, thought some of you might be interested.....

>Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com
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>>From Wired magazine:
>
>Terry Riley
>In C: 25th Anniversary Concert
>New Albion
>
>Many believe that In C crystallized and formally launched the minimalist
>movement. This exceptional recording re-emphasizes
>its stature in 20th-century music. When Terry Riley penned In C, there
>was a grand convergence on the West Coast in the
>'60s. The fertile California avant-garde scene (which included Lukas
>Foss and electronic-music pioneer Morton Subotnick), a
>resurgence in Eastern music, and psychotropic drugs all combined to
>stimulate and influence Riley.
>
>In C remains a universal classic for its open-ended, ludic nature. The
>score sets forth 53 short phrases to be played by every
>member of the ensemble, as well as "the Pulse" - a part in which high Cs
>are played, usually by piano, in a monotonous stream
>of eighth notes throughout the performance. The order of the 53 phrases
>is unchanging, but each can be repeated as many
>times as the musicians desire. In C ends when all the players have
>arrived at the last figure. No two performances are alike,
>and the attentive interplay between ensemble members is crucial to
>pulling the piece off.
>
>The joys of this 25th Anniversary recording are manifold: it is
>substantially longer than earlier recordings, and the ensemble
>here bulges with 31 members, including Riley, Jaron Lanier, Henry
>Kaiser, and members of the Kronos Quartet. This version
>is saucy and sensuous, rich with reed instruments and percussion.
>Following any one instrument's excursion through the piece is
>like tracing the elegant gearwork of a precision watch.
>
>With its innovative methodology, In C has contributed to countless
>aspects of contemporary classical and popular music and
>aided in the birth of the ambient genre. Within its pockets of
>dissonance and consonance, its pauses and surges, are musical
>quintessence and divine proportion.
>
>- Alan E. Rapp
>

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i am really enjoying this list, but am depressed by how much of the cool
stuff for computer audio looping being discussed is not mac compatible.  is
there mac stuff out
there?

m

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please remove me


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There is LiSa, which we discussed pretty extensively some months back.


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In a message dated 98-05-20 13:30:27 EDT, you write:

<< OK, I don't say this very often (or ever), but seems like this is a good
 time, since I'm now completely sick of spending so much time helping people
 with this.
  >>

Bravo Kim!

excellent missive on the concept of an AUTOMATED list....

Cheers - 
Bill 
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Hi all.  Sorry if this is a little off topic, but do any of you have Cubase
VST, and what do you think about it?  I'm considering buying it, but I
would like to have some opinions regarding it's user-friendliness first. 

Thanks, Cam



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kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint),Internet writes:
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>shipping in Europe in September.

That's pretty cool, although I've had one on order here in Toronto (Canada) for the last five
months and still seen nothing.  Does anybody know anything about the apparently dry Canadian
Echoplex rations???  Any word from Oberheim?

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kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint),Internet writes:
>The official word from Oberheim is still that they will have Echoplexes
>shipping in Europe in September.

That's pretty cool, although I've had one on order here in Toronto (Canada) for the last five
months and still seen nothing.  Does anybody know anything about the apparently dry Canadian
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remove


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von gertz@metronet.de
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> Datum: Mittwoch, 20. Mai 1998 20:28
> 
> please remove me from this list, please,please...> 


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> Von: gertz@metronet.de
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> please remove me
> 


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Hey Leonardo and All,

The web page for O.R.I. is:  http://www.reinformation.com/
The last time I talked to them they wanted $29.00 for the program. 
They do a good job of performing too.  Pretty amusing.  Have fun.

While I'm here I hope nobody minds me throwing in a little plug.
I'll be doing an improvised electronic, organic, loop collage set at 
Georges 5th St. Cafe, 517 South 5th St, Philadelphia, May 28th from 
9:00 to 10:30pm and there's no cover.  I'll be pounding on my 
Jupiter-6 and SH-101 looping through an RDS-8000 and some other F/X.  
I'm going under the name of "Theatre of the Mind".
                                   also:
I do an electronic experimental event once every month "Upstairs at 
Nick's" at 16 So. 2nd St., Phila. June 3rd called E L E C T R O L U S T.  
This month I'm featuring David Tolento's "Music for Isolation Tanks" and "Theatre of the Mind"(myself-opening) with dj John Schenk spinning between sets.  Should be a great evening.
  
If anyone is interested in doing a set in the near future give me a shout 
at <ngc1275@voicenet.com> or leave a message at 610.664.8809.  

Later,

Mark of b.
Theatre of the Mind



At 08:05 AM 5/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
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>
>
>On Wed, 20 May 1998, Leonardo Cavallo wrote:
>
>> At 16.42 19/05/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> >What would be fantastic is to find some software (I use a PC) that one
>> could load a number of samples into, then play them back in a
>> User-controlled order.  
>
>I don't think anyone has mentioned software for the Mac titled "Back to
>Basics". It was developed by some students/artists at CMU who use it in
>the Devoesque band Operation Reinformation (O.R.I.) 
>
>This software plays samples and everything is trigger by a computer
>keyboard. depending on which function keys and combinations you press you
>can make the sound louder, stretch, play backwards, etc etc. It's done
>totally live.
>
>They just finished a tour and showed up onstage with four MAc powerbooks
>and computer keybaords strapped to their chests guitar style. It was
>hilarious but in reality they actually really could *play* those damn
>things too.
>
>I forget the URLl of their website but you can do a searc on Back to
>Basics or Operation Reinformation and probably find it. I belive they said
>they were also going to make a PC version. Either way the sowftar was damn
>cheap (around $20 or so as I recall).
>
>Their CD is great too btw...
>
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> >please remove me
> 
> Hit-men have been dispached to your address.  Expect to be... removed in
> the next couple of days.  
> 
A perfect solution, perhaps sales of Loopers Delight CDs could create a fund
for this service :-)

> To quote my favourite Bond villain:  
> "Now, I'm going to put you out of my misery" 
> 
My fave bond villian (sorry!),  from Thunderball:

"You've caused me quite a bit of pleasure, now I'm going to cause you quite
a bit of pain!"



>  
> 
> 


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Yes

Mac stuff for sampling:

Lisa

Mac Midi based stuff:

Cubebase VST
Studio Vision Pro
Digital Performer
Metro
Freestyle

contact sweetwater sound they have
experts that can tell you what each Mac
program can and  can't do as
far as looping and sampling.


I've used Freestyle for some synth. drum loops. I
have not figured out how to change loops on the fly
with this software. 

I like the jamman for looping keyboards and guitar.
Hardware beats software hands down. 

I also use the Mac program MacroMedia/OSC Deck II for 
recording.

later
John
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> From: 	murkie
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> Sent: 	Wednesday, May 20, 1998 1:16 PM
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> 
> i am really enjoying this list, but am depressed by how much of the
> cool
> stuff for computer audio looping being discussed is not mac
> compatible.  is
> there mac stuff out
> there?
> 
> m
> 
>  M   a   r    k         C   h  r   i   s   t   e   n   s   e   n
>  Cramped  Quarters  Studio / Jasperpottamus  Music
>  i  n  t  e  r  n  e  t :         murkie@middlebury.edu
>  http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html
> 
> 
> 


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Hey All,

Sorry, I spelled David's name wrong.  It's Talento.

Mark of b.


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I've found the GREAT stuff for the MAC!!
Go to
www.music.princeton.ecu/psk/index.html
It's the Princeton Sound Kitchen and they've got a bunch of cool music
programs.
I wish I had a Mac so i could use them.
Jeff Collins
collinsclan@sprintmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Ott, John <John_Ott@ATK.COM>
To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
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>Yes
>
>Mac stuff for sampling:
>
>Lisa
>
>Mac Midi based stuff:
>
>Cubebase VST
>Studio Vision Pro
>Digital Performer
>Metro
>Freestyle
>
>contact sweetwater sound they have
>experts that can tell you what each Mac
>program can and  can't do as
>far as looping and sampling.
>
>
>I've used Freestyle for some synth. drum loops. I
>have not figured out how to change loops on the fly
>with this software.
>
>I like the jamman for looping keyboards and guitar.
>Hardware beats software hands down.
>
>I also use the Mac program MacroMedia/OSC Deck II for
>recording.
>
>later
>John
>> ----------
>> From: murkie
>> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 1:16 PM
>> To: John_Ott@ATK.COM
>> Subject: Re: looping software?
>>
>> i am really enjoying this list, but am depressed by how much of the
>> cool
>> stuff for computer audio looping being discussed is not mac
>> compatible.  is
>> there mac stuff out
>> there?
>>
>> m
>>
>>  M   a   r    k         C   h  r   i   s   t   e   n   s   e   n
>>  Cramped  Quarters  Studio / Jasperpottamus  Music
>>  i  n  t  e  r  n  e  t :         murkie@middlebury.edu
>>  http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html
>>
>>
>>
>
>



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	Steve,

		I know what you mean about the Echoplex problem here in T.O.  I did see one in Montreal a little while back at a small store, but that's my only sighting.
	It's good to see someone in Toronto (or Canada at all) on the list.  Perhaps you could let me know of any loop-type or otherwise interesting musical events going on.  Pretty much the only stuff I hear of is at the Music Gallery.

		Cheers,

			Jon Grant
			Tian Music
			www.aracnet.net/~tianmus

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kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint),Internet writes:
>The official word from Oberheim is still that they will have Echoplexes
>shipping in Europe in September.

That's pretty cool, although I've had one on order here in Toronto (Canada) for the last five
months and still seen nothing.  Does anybody know anything about the apparently dry Canadian
Echoplex rations???  Any word from Oberheim?



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     I tried and tried to get removed from this freakin' list and 
     eventually gave up. Sadly, it's all I read now! 
     
     I tried to sell my JamMan for $2000.00 also. No success there either! 
     Wotgives!?
     
     Who are all you people anyway? And why are you here? Looping?????? 
     Exactly! 
     
     As usual,
     -Miko
     
     -------------------------------------------------------------
     "And I am running scared... From all the usual distractions!"


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Kim (who's going to regret this) said:

>- If you get an error from the server from your request mail, don't resend
>the exact same thing to the server 600 times. Expecting different results
>from the exact same actions is one definition of insanity. It's probably
>also an indicator of pure, unadulterated stupidity. 

Isn't it also the principle of looped music?  Expecting people's reactions
to hearing the exact same piece of music to shift over time?  ;)

Does that mean loopers are stupid and insane, or our audiences?  :b

Michael

PS Someone else wrote:
>please remove me

Hit-men have been dispached to your address.  Expect to be... removed in
the next couple of days.  To quote my favourite Bond villain:  
"Now, I'm going to put you out of my misery" 



 


 Dr. Michael P. Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK G12 8QQ 
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   nowhere else it can go - right?" - Jack Kerouac, "On The Road"
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     I'm hoping to make a trip to Arlington on business in the near future 
     and wonder if there are any opportunities to jam or play out with any 
     of our fair-dinkum-loopsters?
     
     I've no real date set yet, and it's rather flexible, so I could 
     synchronize my activites with other music related events.
     
     Best,
     -Miko


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perhaps in all fairness to lazy subscribing computer spelunkers, the
removal codex should be documented en el mismo pagina as the subscription
codex, then all slobbering fools could not miss going off road, and less
time could be spent trimming hedges and handing out virtual Mapscos.  Or
maybe, it's all too much fun, technopoly...

Mjh



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In a message dated 98-05-20 16:04:59 EDT, you write:

<< PS Someone else wrote:
 >please remove me
 
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 the next couple of days.  >>

HAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!! BRAVO! 

I wonder if there's a viable market for .... er ... "removal" services among
list managers....

- Bill 
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Well, we've (almost) all had a little chuckle at the
expense of a couple of frustrated people who don't
know how to get off this list.

Of course, idiocy and insanity are two possible reasons
somebody might be in that predicament, but there are
others too--some very unlikely, but some that are quite
plausible. Here are some things to ponder:

-- Some folks don't necessarily control what happens to
   their old email. They may be using their employer's
   computer, or maybe one belonging to a family member
   or friend.

-- Some folks have disk crashes, and it turns out they
   didn't actually have everything backed up!

-- Some folks might have been subscribed by somebody
   else for a variety of reasons.

-- Some folks may have multiple personalities, and there
   are others who will say this is not insanity.

-- Some folks may just be under a lot of stress.

-- Directing somebody to a web site is not always
   effective because some folks have access to email,
   but not to the web.

I see no reason to further punish these people no matter
what their story is. So, for anybody who cares and who
has read this far, here is how you unsubscribe (and I
quote from the message that was initially sent to me when
subscribing):

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If you ever need to unsubscribe, send mail to:

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with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject and the body.
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That's all. Sorry for the non-looping content.

- Peter


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At 07:41 PM 5/20/98 EDT, Crossedout wrote:
>In a message dated 98-05-20 16:04:59 EDT, you write:
>
><< PS Someone else wrote:
> >please remove me
> 
> Hit-men have been dispached to your address.  Expect to be... removed in
> the next couple of days.  >>
>
>HAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!! BRAVO! 
>
>I wonder if there's a viable market for .... er ... "removal" services among
>list managers....

sign me up!

you'd be amazed at what some people do. The worst are not the people who
simply fail to follow the directions. It's the people who then develop large
quantities of attitude who I'd like "removed". My girlfriend and I (she runs
a much larger list than this one) have both experienced some rather shocking
and aggressive behavior from folks who were less than appreciative of our
freely given efforts. I'm sure that any list manager could share similar
stories. If anybody wants to start up an "unsubscribing" service, you've got
our business. :-)


kim
________________________________________________________
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Chromatic Research	       kflint@chromatic.com
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>. If anybody wants to start up an "unsubscribing" service, you've got
>our business. :-)


 People , people!!!  Can`t we all try and get along??? I remember the good old times
when there still was unanswered question about the looping machines. Now that everyone knows everything about every looping machine ever invented........well , as with other small societies , when the fears and everyday traumas are overcome by science boredom is soon to follow. And in its wake alcoholism and apathy.........Need I remind you of how the the highly
toxic drink Absint almost ruined France a few centuries back.  As we all know , the world revolves around looping and its machinery. We hold the faith of nations in our hands and our responsibility is to great to quibble over details.

March on , brave soldiers , for the lands shall one day unite under the Conclave of the Three 
Monolithic Avengers 

All Hail Jamman ,Echoplex and Boomerang (in no particular order , of course)

Yours , Thomas        "he who hopefully gets the last word in this silly thread"



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Amen

Woehni wrote:

> Yours , Thomas        "he who hopefully gets the last word in this silly thread"





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i could not have said it better?? perhaps!!.................michael


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Thomas.....bravo !!!.......................too much fun!!!!
Esker.....thank you
Kim...you are an excellent host
oh and by the way.........how do you sudscrib to this lsit???


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Kim (who's going to regret this) said:

>- If you get an error from the server from your request mail, don't resend
>the exact same thing to the server 600 times. Expecting different results
>from the exact same actions is one definition of insanity. It's probably
>also an indicator of pure, unadulterated stupidity. 

Isn't it also the principle of looped music?  Expecting people's reactions
to hearing the exact same piece of music to shift over time?  ;)

Does that mean loopers are stupid and insane, or our audiences?  :b

Michael

PS Someone else wrote:
>please remove me

Hit-men have been dispached to your address.  Expect to be... removed in
the next couple of days.  To quote my favourite Bond villain:  
"Now, I'm going to put you out of my misery" 



 


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   nowhere else it can go - right?" - Jack Kerouac, "On The Road"
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i was just thinkin.........................its not those who are abondoning
ship that are suspect...........the ones that need the watching are those who
will get the peepers going at 3/8 speed in key going backwards left to right
with old drum beats and lots of coffee.........yipes
!!!!!!!!!...........michael


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Jeepers, one tribute to Sinatra and the whole list goes insane.
What's the world coming to?

No, don't answer...

Stephen Goodman  * It's... The Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Studios    * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios



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Here's another page full of links to mac audio software. Looks very
complete and up to date:

http://shoko.calarts.edu/~tre/CompMusMac/

kim


>I've found the GREAT stuff for the MAC!!
>Go to
>www.music.princeton.ecu/psk/index.html
>It's the Princeton Sound Kitchen and they've got a bunch of cool music
>programs.
>I wish I had a Mac so i could use them.
>Jeff Collins
>collinsclan@sprintmail.com
>

>>> From: murkie
>>> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 1:16 PM
>>> To: John_Ott@ATK.COM
>>> Subject: Re: looping software?
>>>
>>> i am really enjoying this list, but am depressed by how much of the
>>> cool
>>> stuff for computer audio looping being discussed is not mac
>>> compatible.  is
>>> there mac stuff out
>>> there?

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When I first moved to L.A. I managed to wind up in an ensemble of about 15
people performing In C at the MacArthur Park bandshell.  If any of you know
this fine venue you'll understand how truly surreal a scenario that is...

Anyway, I still have the 'score', such as it is, if anyone in my neck of the
woods is up for a go at it.

Ken R


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Hey I have an in-topic question (that was certainly discussed to death
before).
Since I was away from the list for a time..
Eventually, this 8 sec? stombox from DOD, did it came out or not?

Olivier Malhomme



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As far as I know: I use Cubase VST mac.
Eq is not too good, and no insert so far (only PC version, but a look
at the Cubase users list show quite trouble with the PC version
sometimes.
Digital performer seems to have the better audio functions, but cubase
is easy (to me at least). Lots of third party plugs for anything from
reverb to reasonant filter, from ring mod to death ray gun phasers.
Nontheless those softs require SCSI connectiion, the soft and data must
be on a separate HD, and with today's machine you should run without too
much trouble 32 audio tracks.

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At 12.39 20/05/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all.  Sorry if this is a little off topic, but do any of you have Cubase
>VST, and what do you think about it?  I'm considering buying it, but I
>would like to have some opinions regarding it's user-friendliness first. 
>
>Thanks, Cam
>
>
>

I'm using VST a lot for my editing, recording and remixing. 

I have a PC and the prog has some little problems that you learn to know
with time and experience. It's not perfect but really usable. I know mac
version it's a lot more stable. 

Alternatives are Logic Audio and Cakewalk. I think VST is the more user
friendly and intuitive.

e-mail privately if you wanna know more.

ciao
leo



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What about looping capabilities?

> ----------
> From: 	Olivier Malhomme
> Reply To: 	malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be
> Sent: 	Thursday, May 21, 1998 4:14 AM
> To: 	John_Ott@ATK.COM
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> 
> As far as I know: I use Cubase VST mac.
> Eq is not too good, and no insert so far (only PC version, but a look
> at the Cubase users list show quite trouble with the PC version
> sometimes.
> Digital performer seems to have the better audio functions, but cubase
> is easy (to me at least). Lots of third party plugs for anything from
> reverb to reasonant filter, from ring mod to death ray gun phasers.
> Nontheless those softs require SCSI connectiion, the soft and data
> must
> be on a separate HD, and with today's machine you should run without
> too
> much trouble 32 audio tracks.
> 
> Olivier Malhomme
> 
> 


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Loopers:

About six weeks ago I placed an order for an EDP at Thoroughbred Music,
(mail order), and it just arrived today, with pedal as well.  It was a long
wait but it finally came.  Don't know if this would help anyone outside the
US but they are one of the few mail order places that actually has the unit
in their catalogue.  Order via 1-800-8004654 (then you get the usual insane
voice mail routing around, but be patient, you'll get to someone
eventually).

Paul Dresher 


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Paul,
You should have went through Eastcoast Music Mall at 203-748-2799 I've got
better prices from them than anyone. A ecoplex full on for 200 cheaper than
Sweetwater.
Jeff Collins

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Loopers:

About six weeks ago I placed an order for an EDP at Thoroughbred Music,
(mail order), and it just arrived today, with pedal as well.  It was a long
wait but it finally came.  Don't know if this would help anyone outside the
US but they are one of the few mail order places that actually has the unit
in their catalogue.  Order via 1-800-8004654 (then you get the usual insane
voice mail routing around, but be patient, you'll get to someone
eventually).

Paul Dresher





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Hi. I'm new to the list. I am looking to buy a Lexicon JamMan or two.
Can anyone help with this? Thanks in advance.

Prasanna Bishop
Akashic Recording Studio


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Subject: Escape Veloopity is (almost) there
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hi all,

I've finally completed my new music website. It contains some info on my 
forthcoming CD 'Escape Veloopity', a guestbook (you're invited to leave a 
comment of course), and a listening page with realaudio samples of *each* 
track. (Unfortunately, the CD will be not available until July.)

I guess you have already noticed that I'm eager to hear your opinion. =)
Also please, let me know if there are any problems with the pages, links, 
realaudio or whatever.

If you should want to check out the website, please do me a favor and do it 
*soon* because I'll be away and offline for 3 vacation weeks from *next 
tuesday* (email sent to me later might, as history has shown, be destined for 
Nirvana because my Compuserve mailbox has a limit of 100 mails, and with the 
various lists I read, this will flow over quickly).


I've also been busy revamping the webpages of my little fractal program 'hop' 
.. but I'm not through yet, so you'll still see the old 'hop' pages for a 
while.

michael peters                   mpeters@csi.com
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/





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(Wo)Man,

Ain't that the shits, when you finally get your 'Plex in the morning mail, and
feelin' pretty damn good about it, thank you very much, when some
well-intentioned neighbor pipes up "...er, friend, ya shoulda went an' bought
it over there, for a whole lot less!"

As for me, I'm still waitin' on my UPS angel, so Paul, you've got at least one
jealous neighbor...for now, at any rate : )

kind regards all around,

Lance Glover


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> Paul,
> You should have went through Eastcoast Music Mall at 203-748-2799 I've got
> better prices from them than anyone. A ecoplex full on for 200 cheaper than
> Sweetwater.
> Jeff Collins
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul J. Dresher <PaulDresher@compuserve.com>
> To: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 12:08 PM
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>
> Loopers:
>
> About six weeks ago I placed an order for an EDP at Thoroughbred Music,
> (mail order), and it just arrived today, with pedal as well.  It was a long
> wait but it finally came.  Don't know if this would help anyone outside the
> US but they are one of the few mail order places that actually has the unit
> in their catalogue.  Order via 1-800-8004654 (then you get the usual insane
> voice mail routing around, but be patient, you'll get to someone
> eventually).
>
> Paul Dresher





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At 10:16 AM -0700 5/21/98, Prasanna wrote:
>Hi. I'm new to the list. I am looking to buy a Lexicon JamMan or two.
>Can anyone help with this? Thanks in advance.
>
>Prasanna Bishop
>Akashic Recording Studio

I think Miko was offering his for only $2000 yesterday......:-)

kim

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The links mentioned by Kim and Jeff are  freeware/shareware apps
and plugins. 

There is much more available If you want to buy a commercial
package. 

later
John

> ----------
> From: 	Kim Flint
> Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Sent: 	Thursday, May 21, 1998 2:18 AM
> To: 	John_Ott@ATK.COM
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> 
> Here's another page full of links to mac audio software. Looks very
> complete and up to date:
> 
> http://shoko.calarts.edu/~tre/CompMusMac/
> 
> kim
> 
> 
> >I've found the GREAT stuff for the MAC!!
> >Go to
> >www.music.princeton.ecu/psk/index.html
> >It's the Princeton Sound Kitchen and they've got a bunch of cool
> music
> >programs.
> >I wish I had a Mac so i could use them.
> >Jeff Collins
> >collinsclan@sprintmail.com
> >
> 
> >>> From: murkie
> >>> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 1:16 PM
> >>> To: John_Ott@ATK.COM
> >>> Subject: Re: looping software?
> >>>
> >>> i am really enjoying this list, but am depressed by how much of
> the
> >>> cool
> >>> stuff for computer audio looping being discussed is not mac
> >>> compatible.  is
> >>> there mac stuff out
> >>> there?
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
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This question is primarily directed to Kim, but I thought the info could be
useful to others so I'm posting the list.

I'm thinking of selling of a jam man and using the proceeds towards an
Echoplex. I currently control my Jam Men with my PMC-10. How easy is it to
control the Echoplex with MIDI commands? DO I sacrifice any of the power of
the instrument if I control via MIDI rather than the footswitch? Do I
access any of the instruments power via MIDI that I could not access with
the foot control( this is the case with the Jam man, primarily fades....)?

I just don't want to add anything else to the floor. Currently I have a
GR-1, a whammy II, the PMC-10, two volume pedals, one expression pedal, and
one momentary switch on the floor. At times I've had more.

Any experience with this is appreciated. BTW Fingerpaint's CD Primary
Colors: BLUE is now available for $10 post paid in the US. I'll post more
info as we get the web site updated with sound files, etc.....

Patrick


 ***  ***    ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html  ***  **

  




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I recently borrowed a Digitech GSP 5 from a friend.  Last night I got a
chance to fool around with editing some of the presets.  It has 13
preprogrammed effect chains.  A couple of the chains have something referred
to as four tap delay where you can edit the delay time and level for each of
the four delays.  I'm not sure what it is that I end up hearing when this
plays.  Can anyone explain what is happening in a four tap delay.  For
example, is delay two recieving its input from delay 1 and delay 4 from
delay 3?  Any help would be appreciated.



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hello everyone,

I've found that my style of looping has solidified somewhat....right now,
I'm using my JamMan with great results on my upright bass in my jazz
quartet, and my vortex will never really sneak into the rig, I'm sure.  So,
all regrets aside, I've decided to sell the vortex to help buy one of those
groovy Barbara in-bridge transducers.

Anyway, The vortex (with one lexicon footcontroler and power supply, no box
or manual) will go to the first person who emails me for $270 including COD
shipping. If I don't get a response by the end of the week, i'm going to
open it up to harmony-central.com and rec.m.m.marketplace.

Thanks,
Ryan

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> Von: COLLINSCLAN <collinsclan@sprintmail.com>
> An: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Betreff: Re: looping software?
> Datum: Mittwoch, 20. Mai 1998 22:52
> 
> I've found the GREAT stuff for the MAC!!
> Go to
> www.music.princeton.ecu/psk/index.html
> It's the Princeton Sound Kitchen and they've got a bunch of cool music
> programs.
> I wish I had a Mac so i could use them.
> Jeff Collins
> collinsclan@sprintmail.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ott, John <John_Ott@ATK.COM>
> To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 4:40 PM
> Subject: RE: looping software?
> 
> 
> >Yes
> >
> >Mac stuff for sampling:
> >
> >Lisa
> >
> >Mac Midi based stuff:
> >
> >Cubebase VST
> >Studio Vision Pro
> >Digital Performer
> >Metro
> >Freestyle
> >
> >contact sweetwater sound they have
> >experts that can tell you what each Mac
> >program can and  can't do as
> >far as looping and sampling.
> >
> >
> >I've used Freestyle for some synth. drum loops. I
> >have not figured out how to change loops on the fly
> >with this software.
> >
> >I like the jamman for looping keyboards and guitar.
> >Hardware beats software hands down.
> >
> >I also use the Mac program MacroMedia/OSC Deck II for
> >recording.
> >
> >later
> >John
> >> ----------
> >> From: murkie
> >> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 1:16 PM
> >> To: John_Ott@ATK.COM
> >> Subject: Re: looping software?
> >>
> >> i am really enjoying this list, but am depressed by how much of the
> >> cool
> >> stuff for computer audio looping being discussed is not mac
> >> compatible.  is
> >> there mac stuff out
> >> there?
> >>
> >> m
> >>
> >>  M   a   r    k         C   h  r   i   s   t   e   n   s   e   n
> >>  Cramped  Quarters  Studio / Jasperpottamus  Music
> >>  i  n  t  e  r  n  e  t :         murkie@middlebury.edu
> >>  http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> 


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> Von: COLLINSCLAN <collinsclan@sprintmail.com>
> An: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Betreff: Re: Echoplex availability
> Datum: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 1998 18:53
> 
> Paul,
> You should have went through Eastcoast Music Mall at 203-748-2799 I've
got
> better prices from them than anyone. A ecoplex full on for 200 cheaper
than
> Sweetwater.
> Jeff Collins
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul J. Dresher <PaulDresher@compuserve.com>
> To: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
<Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 12:08 PM
> Subject: Echoplex availability
> 
> 
> Loopers:
> 
> About six weeks ago I placed an order for an EDP at Thoroughbred Music,
> (mail order), and it just arrived today, with pedal as well.  It was a
long
> wait but it finally came.  Don't know if this would help anyone outside
the
> US but they are one of the few mail order places that actually has the
unit
> in their catalogue.  Order via 1-800-8004654 (then you get the usual
insane
> voice mail routing around, but be patient, you'll get to someone
> eventually).
> 
> Paul Dresher
> 
> 
> 
> 


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> Von: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
> An: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Betreff: Re: looping software?
> Datum: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 1998 09:15
> 
> Here's another page full of links to mac audio software. Looks very
> complete and up to date:
> 
> http://shoko.calarts.edu/~tre/CompMusMac/
> 
> kim
> 
> 
> >I've found the GREAT stuff for the MAC!!
> >Go to
> >www.music.princeton.ecu/psk/index.html
> >It's the Princeton Sound Kitchen and they've got a bunch of cool music
> >programs.
> >I wish I had a Mac so i could use them.
> >Jeff Collins
> >collinsclan@sprintmail.com
> >
> 
> >>> From: murkie
> >>> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 1:16 PM
> >>> To: John_Ott@ATK.COM
> >>> Subject: Re: looping software?
> >>>
> >>> i am really enjoying this list, but am depressed by how much of the
> >>> cool
> >>> stuff for computer audio looping being discussed is not mac
> >>> compatible.  is
> >>> there mac stuff out
> >>> there?
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
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> Von: lance glover <baumhaus@earthlink.net>
> An: COLLINSCLAN <collinsclan@sprintmail.com>
> Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Betreff: Re: Echoplex availability
> Datum: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 1998 20:38
> 
> (Wo)Man,
> 
> Ain't that the shits, when you finally get your 'Plex in the morning
mail, and
> feelin' pretty damn good about it, thank you very much, when some
> well-intentioned neighbor pipes up "...er, friend, ya shoulda went an'
bought
> it over there, for a whole lot less!"
> 
> As for me, I'm still waitin' on my UPS angel, so Paul, you've got at
least one
> jealous neighbor...for now, at any rate : )
> 
> kind regards all around,
> 
> Lance Glover
> 
> 
> COLLINSCLAN wrote:
> 
> > Paul,
> > You should have went through Eastcoast Music Mall at 203-748-2799 I've
got
> > better prices from them than anyone. A ecoplex full on for 200 cheaper
than
> > Sweetwater.
> > Jeff Collins
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul J. Dresher <PaulDresher@compuserve.com>
> > To: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
<Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> > Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 12:08 PM
> > Subject: Echoplex availability
> >
> > Loopers:
> >
> > About six weeks ago I placed an order for an EDP at Thoroughbred Music,
> > (mail order), and it just arrived today, with pedal as well.  It was a
long
> > wait but it finally came.  Don't know if this would help anyone outside
the
> > US but they are one of the few mail order places that actually has the
unit
> > in their catalogue.  Order via 1-800-8004654 (then you get the usual
insane
> > voice mail routing around, but be patient, you'll get to someone
> > eventually).
> >
> > Paul Dresher
> 
> 
> 
> 


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please, please remove me from this list, I'm going mad with this. It costs
me lots of money to remove these 20-30 messages a day.Please, who knows how
my name is removed from this list?

----------
> Von: Leonardo Cavallo <cavallo@dada.it>
> An: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Betreff: Re: Cubase
> Datum: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 1998 13:57
> 
> At 12.39 20/05/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hi all.  Sorry if this is a little off topic, but do any of you have
Cubase
> >VST, and what do you think about it?  I'm considering buying it, but I
> >would like to have some opinions regarding it's user-friendliness first.

> >
> >Thanks, Cam
> >
> >
> >
> 
> I'm using VST a lot for my editing, recording and remixing. 
> 
> I have a PC and the prog has some little problems that you learn to know
> with time and experience. It's not perfect but really usable. I know mac
> version it's a lot more stable. 
> 
> Alternatives are Logic Audio and Cakewalk. I think VST is the more user
> friendly and intuitive.
> 
> e-mail privately if you wanna know more.
> 
> ciao
> leo
> 
> 


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And I didn't even suscribed, get that seated----------
> Von: matthew hahn <esker@mail.utexas.edu>
> An: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Betreff: The Move of Remove
> Datum: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 1998 00:35
> 
> perhaps in all fairness to lazy subscribing computer spelunkers, the
> removal codex should be documented en el mismo pagina as the subscription
> codex, then all slobbering fools could not miss going off road, and less
> time could be spent trimming hedges and handing out virtual Mapscos.  Or
> maybe, it's all too much fun, technopoly...
> 
> Mjh
> 
> 


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I have been suffering under the deluge of Loopers Delight mail, but
then your name popped up, and I thought I'd say hello. After a few
years in grad school in Seattle (doing a lot of 4 track tape looping
performances, too) I'm back in the Santa Cruz area teaching physics.
Still using and exploring the 4 track, but have been considering going
to the Echoplex. I am curious : does anyone still "tape" loop ? Do you
like the echoplex ? Did you get 2, to create stereo ? For you
personally, does it adequately replace the 4-track....there's new
capabilities, and then there's capabilities lost with the old system ?
 or maybe the main issue is lugging the four track around & cutting
loops ?
	I saw a show of the Ensemble in Santa Cruz last fall & enjoyed
Channels Passing live. We have 2 little boys now, so I couldn't hang
after the show.

All the best,     eric muhs




---"Paul J. Dresher" <PaulDresher@compuserve.com> wrote:
>
> Loopers:
> 
> About six weeks ago I placed an order for an EDP at Thoroughbred
Music,
> (mail order), and it just arrived today, with pedal as well.  It was
a long
> wait but it finally came.  Don't know if this would help anyone
outside the
> US but they are one of the few mail order places that actually has
the unit
> in their catalogue.  Order via 1-800-8004654 (then you get the usual
insane
> voice mail routing around, but be patient, you'll get to someone
> eventually).
> 
> Paul Dresher 
> 
> 

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     Don't pass this deal up! You'll never get it at this price point 
     again... 8->
     
     (What to buy, what to buy???)
     
     -Miko


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At 10:16 AM -0700 5/21/98, Prasanna wrote:
>Hi. I'm new to the list. I am looking to buy a Lexicon JamMan or two.
>Can anyone help with this? Thanks in advance.
>
>Prasanna Bishop
>Akashic Recording Studio

I think Miko was offering his for only $2000 yesterday......:-)

kim

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     Don't pass this deal up! You'll never get it at this price point 
     again... 8->
     
     (What to buy, what to buy???)
     
     -Miko


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At 10:16 AM -0700 5/21/98, Prasanna wrote:
>Hi. I'm new to the list. I am looking to buy a Lexicon JamMan or two.
>Can anyone help with this? Thanks in advance.
>
>Prasanna Bishop
>Akashic Recording Studio

I think Miko was offering his for only $2000 yesterday......:-)

kim

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As I hope I already implied, I am a computer spelunking slobbering neophyte.
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Kim said....

>there's no way to set the feedback range in the echoplex, but its a simple
thing to
>do by using different types of potentiometers or putting resistors in
>series with the potentiometer.

Forgive my lack of electronics knowledge, but there is a 100k pot in my
pedal...between what 2 lugs on the pot do I wire a resistor, and what value
should the resistor be to get it closer to the recommended 20k range?
Dave Eichenberger
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Eric:

Great to hear from you.  I'm sorry you didn't come up after the Santa Cruz
concert but I sure know about the kids thing (congrats on the two boys,
I've got one).

About your questions regarding my old 4-track tape loop system and the move
to Echoplex:  a variety of choices led to the switch.  The first being that
I felt I had explored pretty much all I could do with the 4-track system,
as wonderful as it was, after a while it made me compose in a certain way
and I needed to find newers tools for the new musical ideas.  Also, as you
know, the system is very heavy and since it was built in 1979, and had
millions of (both internal and external) miles on it, it was becoming
somewhat unreliable.  At almost every venue on a tour, I had to open it up
and fix something, usually just a loose or dirty connector but it was a
hassle.  

I find the Echolplex to be a very powerful new tool with many features
unattainable on the tape loop system.  But there are some things the tape
system could do which the Echoplex can't.  First, I use 3 Echoplexes to
just get close to the kind of multitrack stereo field I could create with
the 4 track loop (essentially 4 stereo signals).  More would be even better
but I would feel even more guilty hogging so many of the hard to get units.
 The other major drawback is that with the tape loop system, I had
completely control over variable speed,  from around 4 inches per second to
almost 30 IPS.  This allowed me to record parts at one speed and then to
play them back at radically different speeds (and thus pitches).  Many of
my pieces used this aspect (pretty much the way samplers work, but this was
way before samplers) and it is simply not possible on the Echoplex.  I've
spoken to Kim about this and apparently this kind of feature would have to
be implemented at the deepest design stage and would essentially make it a
different instrument, or something similarly impossible.  

I control features such as Feedback and output volume with MIDI (via a
Digitech PMC-10) and I have to say, the sum total of the resolution of the
combination of footpedal and 127 steps of MIDI is still rather coarse and
at times feels unreliable.  I preferred the smoothness of my homemade
analog footpedals for really slow smooth fade ins and outs.  MIDI may just
be too coarse, (or my foot pedal perhaps).  I think volume should have 1024
increments, not 127.  After all, we can really discern very fine
differences in volume.  One other small complaint, I wish the input were
not so sensitive to overload, but they built a huge amount of gain into the
input stage in order to deal with all levels, from mics to hot signals.  (I
put a peak limiter/compressor on my signal going to input in order not to
overload the unit in the excitment of performance or when experimenting
with wild new patches.)

But all this slight complaining aside, I really love the musical and
compositional possibilities the desigers have put into the unit and so
would recommend it without hesitation.  Maybe I just put the complaints in
so that they would get on someone's list for the next design upgrade.  Are
you listening Kim?

Hope to see you again soon Eric, I have and still listen to your olds
tapes.

Best Regards,

Paul Dresher


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- friends don't let friends use soldering irons.

- the samurai worked, at the pleasure of his lord, with masters of other
arts, such as the sword maker the armour dude, and so on . . .

- this was not without reason . . .

- Given the TIME, anyone can learn how to do just about anything.

- if one understands the miracle of the anvil, relativity ain't too far
away.

- but who's gonna play the music?  make the art? . . . the laughs? . . .
the kids? . . . 

- assuming that the tool in quiestion is used to make music - now's the
time - as bird said . . .  

- pay somebody to fix it . . .  or throw it out the window or something
. . .

- living by one's wits - learning how to fix it ONLY if you have to -
seems very natural for most musicians i've ever known.   Roland Kirk's
horns were taped together with that gooey white tape doctors used to
use, and bandaids, and lots of rubber bands on top of crumbledy rubber
bands that looked like they's been on the dashboard too long . . . he
HAD to do it. he couldn't SEE to tell someone else to take that, and
hook it to that, etc.

-SUGGESTION:    gain control of self - at least long enough to ALLOW
self to get so "swept into the music or art of it all" that you just
plain don't ever have TIME to get distracted by the equipment hazzard.

- Juan Miguel Fangio (sp?), the world's best driver at the time, said he
would always win in a race against a driver who was also a mechanic  . .
. said the mechanic would  back off when he thought the car was going to
break, and since Fangio's thing was driving,  not fixing, he'd ask the
car to do what HE needed. 

- it didn't often break.

- and, there IS  something rather satisfying about playing an instrument
provided by the MUSIC itself.   It took several thousand nights carrying
around a plywood bass (DC 3's . . . Steam Trains . . .) for me to be
able to afford my German flatback . . . 40 years (and 2 wives) later
we're still best friends.   And using the exact dimensions of its 300
yr. old bad self, i was able to design and build (w/Zeta Music and
Gibson Guitars) over a hundred Uprites like the one that i now play -
with quad out, midi, etc. . . . may IT still be singing in 300 years
turning ! 

- hardest part is to be able to switch from fixin' ("what's wrong with
this thing?") to playing ('what's right with this thing?"). . . which is
the reason for the suggestion above.

- also, there's always some young soul coming along for whom fixin' is
THE place to be . . . (in which case Mr. Jordan reccomends Bryman) . . . 

mmmmmmm

- BTW if the problem is the having the thing punch a hole in the fabric
instead of fading out gradually, one can always adjust the THROW of the
pedal - just use enough layers of weatherstrip tape under the heel to
get in the way of the pedal's natural tendencies . . . the old De Armond
pedals had a set screw to do that . . .

'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
future perfect wrote:
> 
> Kim said....
> 
> >there's no way to set the feedback range in the echoplex, but its a simple
> thing to
> >do by using different types of potentiometers or putting resistors in
> >series with the potentiometer.
> 
> Forgive my lack of electronics knowledge, but there is a 100k pot in my
> pedal...between what 2 lugs on the pot do I wire a resistor, and what value
> should the resistor be to get it closer to the recommended 20k range?
> Dave Eichenberger
> *********************************************************************
> 'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at:
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082
> "Truth is just an excuse for lack of imagination" - Garak


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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face="Comic Sans MS">Well, I'm very new on this list, 
and have been tried to follow what's going on (strange stuff lately). I've been 
playing drums for 30 years, and also mess with a little keyboards too. Anyway, 
I'm wondering about this Echoplex Digital Pro that you're all talking about. I'd 
like to know more about what it's capable of doing. My local store has one 
(packed away in the stockroom somewhere, not set up for me to check out) and I 
believe they're asking like $800. for it. What's the usual selling price. Also, 
why are they supposed to be hard to get, and what is the current 
financial/operational status of OBie. I do own a Matrix-1000. I also have an 
Ensoniq ASRX sampling workstation (new for me) that I create loops on at the 
moment, and I'm wondering about what kind of wonderful things I could be doing 
with this gear if I added and Echoplex, or perhaps a JamMan (is that piece still 
available). Can anyone tell me, are they essentially the same thing (or how are 
they different) and again, I'm wondering exactly what they do (is it infinite 
looping?), is it mainly a live performance tool, or more of a studio piece, do 
you have to buy the foot pedal too (and what does it do - what does it cost). 
Thanks all for sharing your knowledge with this new loop 
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I had a fun looping experience last night with the previously mention
GSP 5 and my 4 second time machine.  I had the GSP 5 running into the
time machine with a four tap delay wreaking havoc on a little major
scale cluster of notes.  The time machine was set on the full four
seconds held it on infinite feedback when I started to realize it was
time to wrap up for the night.  I left it to play while I put my guitar
away and was about to disconnect the effects when I though "what if I
turn this around while its on hold and plug the time machine into the
gsp and the gsp into the amp".   An hour later and I was still twisting
knobs and changing patches.  The neat thing was that I could always get
back to the original held loop.  Tonight I'm going to try adding my
little Korg Pandora to the mix.



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I have an extra copy of the cd by Mr. Torn, will sell for $9, postage 
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test, please ignore




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hey there

commercial coming your way. bail out now if disinterested!

last week some of you had problems getting to our real audio stuff - in
addition to the streaming audio, we now have a download option, takes a few
minutes outta yr day, but...check it out!!

anyway - anyone interested, PLEASE let me know if one or both of these
files works for you, so i can troubleshoot this!

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and....we'll be at the knitting factory/alterknit july 30

thanks, loop away!!

here's the link:

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+ my no frills site http://www.monmouth.com/~andre
Info on my bands JFK's LSD UFO and HIDDEN AGENDA

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[frank  zappa tribute band i play guitar in]


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> From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject: Re: looping software?
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 3:15 AM
> 
> Here's another page full of links to mac audio software. Looks very
> complete and up to date:
> 
> http://shoko.calarts.edu/~tre/CompMusMac/
> 
> kim
> 
> 
> >I've found the GREAT stuff for the MAC!!
> >Go to
> >www.music.princeton.ecu/psk/index.html
> >It's the Princeton Sound Kitchen and they've got a bunch of cool music
> >programs.
> >I wish I had a Mac so i could use them.
> >Jeff Collins
> >collinsclan@sprintmail.com
> >
> 
> >>> From: murkie
> >>> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 1:16 PM
> >>> To: John_Ott@ATK.COM
> >>> Subject: Re: looping software?
> >>>
> >>> i am really enjoying this list, but am depressed by how much of the
> >>> cool
> >>> stuff for computer audio looping being discussed is not mac
> >>> compatible.  is
> >>> there mac stuff out
> >>> there?
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
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> 
> 


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project two will be in pittsburgh june 1 at 7:30
let me know if you are going..................michael


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At 8:29 PM -0700 5/21/98, future perfect wrote:
>Kim said....
>
>>there's no way to set the feedback range in the echoplex, but its a simple
>thing to
>>do by using different types of potentiometers or putting resistors in
>>series with the potentiometer.
>
>Forgive my lack of electronics knowledge, but there is a 100k pot in my

A 100k pot will compress the useful range of the pedal into a smaller area,
which will make it a bit harder to use. As soon as the wiper of the pot is
anywhere past about 18k, you will be at the full feedback level. If you
change the pot to 20k linear, you will find it to be much easier to
control.

>pedal...between what 2 lugs on the pot do I wire a resistor, and what value
>should the resistor be to get it closer to the recommended 20k range?

Putting a resistor in series with the pot would mean that the pedal would
not sweep the resistance all the way from the minimum to the maximum. You
basically stop it from going all the way on one side or the other. So
either you couldn't go all the way to maximum feedback, or you couldn't set
feedback all the way to zero. This would also mean that the pedal sweeps
you through a more limited range of feedback values and might make it
easier to control. This is similar to what Fred suggested of sticking a wad
of tape under the pedal as a stopper. It's just doing it electronically
instead of mechanically.

If the resistor is between the "tip" of the jack and the wiper pin of the
pot, you would not be able to get to max feedback. This is probably not
what you want, but would give the pedal control over a more limited range
of lower feedback values.

If the resistor is between the ground of the jack and the end pin of the
pot, you would not be able to get to minimum feedback. This would limit the
pedal to controlling upper feedback values.

The value of resistor would be up to you, as that would set the range.

Probably any decent midi controller pedal could be programmed to do this
same thing, no need for soldering irons.

kim


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i don't know about Pittsburgh, but I'm going to the show in Columbus, OHIO.
Is anyone from the group going to this show too!
Jeff Collins

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>project two will be in pittsburgh june 1 at 7:30
>let me know if you are going..................michael
>
>



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I am overwhelmed with forwarded e-mail
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Thanks to all the wonderful suggestions for looping software I was able
to dig up some inspiration to create some computer weirdness. The
results (in a somewhat lofi manner) are in a real audio clip at:

http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/ra.htm

This is a short track I wrote (sculpted?) entirely in software which is
something I've never done before. It was a blast and two thumbs up for
Acid by Sonic foundry; a true looping joy.



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i saw projekt2 a couple of weeks ago in NYC. catch that show it is
great. afterwards gunn and belew sign cds. great buy autographed double
cd for $15. enjoy the show.



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It's easy to produce loops in Cakewalk, but you're right its much better
to copy things over as many times as necessary (using ghost parts in
Cubase). I just find Cakewalk such an ugly program to use; ugly in its
interface, ugly to look at. Here's a question coming from a musician
with a design background. Why is so much interface design so prosaic?
Where's the Kai's power tools of music? Anyone need a hand to produce
it?

Olivier Malhomme wrote:

> You can loop between to points in any sequencer. To me it is stupid.
> Better record your phrase, and if you want to, copy it X times
> afterwards. This way you can edit each part, imagine, use a filter, a
> reverb, anything on any portion of the loop if you want to, change the
> pitch,.... You can add other intruments (midi or audio) after wards, you
> can arrange passing from any loop to any other loop.



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Well. It was a time where I had no looper of my own. I was then using
my multi track recorder to make loop (a MG 14D).
I was just playing everything like th elooper was in my head.
The use of a midi/audio sequencer can have any looping abilities you
want save one: real time (well almost, i recorded things with a midi
delay with a synth guitar, but well, let us not complicate things).
You can loop between to points in any sequencer. To me it is stupid.
Better record your phrase, and if you want to, copy it X times
afterwards. This way you can edit each part, imagine, use a filter, a
reverb, anything on any portion of the loop if you want to, change the
pitch,.... You can add other intruments (midi or audio) after wards, you
can arrange passing from any loop to any other loop. You can get as many
loops running (of any lenght/tempo/time signature/whatever) that the
polyphony of your machines will allow (were they tracks on your
hard-drive, or synth polyphony). I think it is even more interesting
that "conventionnal looper" that are more -say- mmm stage-oriented.
Which is good, don't get me wrong (I was happy to find, thanks to the
list, a jamman). Anyway,  of course, both methods can work hand in hand.

Basically the looper should be -to me- in your head, and not in your
toys. Hence, this kind of programs offer -again, IMHO- the largest
possibilities, the most powerful versatility.
Ouch, t'was a long bable. Hope it is of any help..

Olivier Malhomme



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Thanx, but as you will see in my last post to the list, Steinberg won't
consider me a real registered user...

Olivier Malhomme



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At 19.39 24/05/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks to all the wonderful suggestions for looping software I was able
>to dig up some inspiration to create some computer weirdness. The
>results (in a somewhat lofi manner) are in a real audio clip at:
>
>http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/ra.htm
>
>This is a short track I wrote (sculpted?) entirely in software which is
>something I've never done before. It was a blast and two thumbs up for
>Acid by Sonic foundry; a true looping joy.
>

nice idea! I've listened to your file and I liked. Go ahead. 
As soon as possible I'd like to put my songs (a duo project, me on Stick,
Bass and programming and a singer) on the web to have some response. It's a
record entirely home made where I wrote all the music. The songs are
actually real songs (precise structure, vocal melodies, etc) but with a
strong trip hop, new electronica and d&b sound. And some Stick looping
through Jamman too.
And all was made on software apps. I used a lot of progs together in a way I
couldn't think possible. Computers can be really creative.

ciao
leo 



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Paul J. Dresher wrote:
> 
> One other small complaint, I wish the input were
> not so sensitive to overload, but they built a huge amount of gain into the
> input stage in order to deal with all levels, from mics to hot signals.  (I
> put a peak limiter/compressor on my signal going to input in order not to
> overload the unit in the excitment of performance or when experimenting
> with wild new patches.)
> 

Please forgive me if I'm breaking protocol by commenting on a sort of private posing, but your use of a 
peak limiter/compressor is very interesting.  I have a lot of trouble with overloading the EDP input.  
All my instruments are acoustic and I use a Shure SM-57 with a TASCM 1024 board as a front-end to the 
EDP.  The worst offender is my tambourine.  It sounds fine through the PA but very distorted from the 
EDP unless I take extraordinary measures.  What makes it particularly difficult is that the input level 
LED does not help much; according to it, the tambourine input level is fine when in fact, it's too hot. 
 In order to get a good, clear signal, I have to play the tambourine entirely differently when I loop 
than otherwise.  I've tried various limiter/compressors but none work to my satisfaction.  For example, 
when adjusted to eliminate the tambourine distortion, the bass drum sounds TERRIBLE (no low end).  What 
kind or limiter/compressor do you use?  How have you adjusted it?  How well does it work for you?

- Dennis Leas


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Dennis:

Regarding your compressor/limitor question, I use a DBX-166, I'm not
exactly sure of the settings however, I just gradually adjust the unit by
ear so that I get as natural a sound from the EDP when compared to the
"live" sound (which for me is usually electric guitar but also includes
woodwinds, keyboards and voice, but I've never tried a tambourine).  The
key issue is to adjust the ratio of compression and the threshold of the
peak limiter so that your signal can't go into distortion.  However,
tambourine may present particular problems due to its fast transience and
spectrum.   

I'm not sure where this info is detailed, perhaps the FAQ area of the Web
site but Kim makes clear somewhere that at least on the original units
there was some sort of compression scheme which didn't work as well as
expected, particularly in relationship to high frequency sounds, i.e the
unit was much more prone to distort on these types of signals.  I'm told
this has been rectified in the machines now in production, or at least
somehthing in the gain stage as been improved.  I certainly have a problem
like yours on my original old unit (hence the limiter).  However, I just
got a new unit which is being operated from the house mix position by my
engineer and when I told him never to let the input get red, he said that
he had often been in the red and heard no distortion.  (Input was guitar
and violin).  So maybe they've addressedt this question.  

Paul Dresher


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I have that same problem when looping with acoustic instruments as well (the EDP also being my biggest offender).  On percussion I usually use my little Alesis 3630 Dual Compressor with Gate.  It's old, but they still make them.  There are lots of (probably better quality) multi-channel compressors now that are relatively inexpensive.  I also was dissatisfied with the sound of the outgoing loops.  After trying a number of different microphones on different instruments and realizing I couldn't afford all the expensive Sennheiser mics that I probably needed, I went downtown (Toronto) to the pawn shops and bought four used EQ units for around (Canadian) $25 each.  By putting these in front of the compressor (in terms of signal path) I was able to get a sound that was much more desirable.  The only drawback is that the Bass Drum mic/EQ/comp channel is configured for the Bass Drum only.  I now use 6 mics when looping a drum kit, and I'm almost satisfied with the sound.  I've never had great luck using a vocal mic on Bass or Kick drums, but maybe I just never found the right place to put them.  Also, you may find an unmusical effect at times if you put the compressor after your mixer in the audio route, for obvious reasons.  That's why I would suggest looking at the compressor units that have four channels in one rack space.

	Cheers,

		Jon Grant
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Original Message: Please forgive me if I'm breaking protocol by commenting on a sort of private posing, but your use of a 
peak limiter/compressor is very interesting.  I have a lot of trouble with overloading the EDP input.  
All my instruments are acoustic and I use a Shure SM-57 with a TASCM 1024 board as a front-end to the 
EDP.  The worst offender is my tambourine.  It sounds fine through the PA but very distorted from the 
EDP unless I take extraordinary measures.  What makes it particularly difficult is that the input level 
LED does not help much; according to it, the tambourine input level is fine when in fact, it's too hot. 
 In order to get a good, clear signal, I have to play the tambourine entirely differently when I loop 
than otherwise.  I've tried various limiter/compressors but none work to my satisfaction.  For example, 
when adjusted to eliminate the tambourine distortion, the bass drum sounds TERRIBLE (no low end).  What 
kind or limiter/compressor do you use?  How have you adjusted it?  How well does it work for you?

- Dennis Leas



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If someone will send me the schematics to the EDP, I'll design a
modification to eliminate the high frequency distortion.

-Chuck Zwicky


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At 8:36 AM -0700 5/26/98, Paul J. Dresher wrote:

>I'm not sure where this info is detailed, perhaps the FAQ area of the Web
>site but Kim makes clear somewhere that at least on the original units
>there was some sort of compression scheme which didn't work as well as
>expected, particularly in relationship to high frequency sounds, i.e the
>unit was much more prone to distort on these types of signals.  I'm told
>this has been rectified in the machines now in production, or at least
>somehthing in the gain stage as been improved.

The web site explains the change in the gain section if you want to do it
yourself. It's just two resistors, but it makes adjusting the gains much
easier.

If you are getting distortion with sounds that have lots of high
frequencies, you need to turn the input down. Sounds with a lot of high
frequencies tend to clip a little bit easier (tambourines and crash
cymbals, especially), so it's best to set your levels using those sounds in
the first place. When the level is set correctly, they do not distort. (I
use percussion sounds all the time with no trouble.)  On the older units,
the LED tends to trick you on this, because it turns red too late. Trust
your ears, not the LED.

New units have the gain change included, so there's no need to do anything
to those. They also have the LED circuit changed so that it turns orange
and red at lower levels, which seems to help people get it right. (those
people who only look at LED's, that is :-)



> I certainly have a problem
>like yours on my original old unit (hence the limiter).  However, I just
>got a new unit which is being operated from the house mix position by my
>engineer and when I told him never to let the input get red, he said that
>he had often been in the red and heard no distortion.  (Input was guitar
>and violin).  So maybe they've addressedt this question.

New units should be much easier to set correctly. Doing the mod from the
website FAQ will make old units equivalent to that.

kim

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Paul, thanks for the very exact info. on the echoplex. I went last
weekend to see/hear one at Gelb Music in Redwood City, & they told me
they didn't carry them any more, as they had had severe reliability
problems. They were recommending the BOOMERANG. I am not surprised to
learn you use 3 to create a stereo field - this has always been one of
the strongest features of the tape loop system. 
  I hope you'll let me know if you're going to be working out on the
Echoplexes in the Bay Area in the near future.

All the best, eric muhs





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All of those reliability problems were fixed a long time ago. For some
reason Oberheim hasn't made Gelb aware of this, or Gelb isn't interested in
finding out. It's getting quite irritating for me, because I keep getting
stuck answering a lot of questions from people who have been seriously
misinformed by them. I used to think they were a good store, but I've begun
to seriously question that.

All these old reliability issues are explained on the echoplex FAQ at the
Looper's Delight web site, BTW.

kim

At 04:00 PM 5/26/98 -0700, eric muhs wrote:
>Paul, thanks for the very exact info. on the echoplex. I went last
>weekend to see/hear one at Gelb Music in Redwood City, & they told me
>they didn't carry them any more, as they had had severe reliability
>problems. They were recommending the BOOMERANG. I am not surprised to
>learn you use 3 to create a stereo field - this has always been one of
>the strongest features of the tape loop system. 
>  I hope you'll let me know if you're going to be working out on the
>Echoplexes in the Bay Area in the near future.
>
>All the best, eric muhs
>
>
>
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If Gelb is recommending the Boomerang over the EDP, I recommend Bananas
at Large and Thoroughbred over Gelb. 

Tom "Oops, my latent brand loyalty is showing, even though I was sacked"
Spaulding

Kim Flint wrote:
 Gelb isn't interested in
> finding out. It's getting quite irritating for me, because I keep getting
> stuck answering a lot of questions from people who have been seriously
> misinformed by them. I used to think they were a good store, but I've begun
> to seriously question that.
> 

> 
> kim
> I went last
> >weekend to see/hear one at Gelb Music in Redwood City, & they told me
> >they didn't carry them any more, as they had had severe reliability
> >problems. They were recommending the BOOMERANG. 

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_________________________________________________________
> >DO YOU YAHOO!?
> >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >


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Tom "Intangible Integrity Intact" Spaulding,
        Good to hear from you; hope you're doing well.  I'm still enjoying
learning how to better use one of the EDPs you helped build.  Right now
trying to put the the next loop in conjunction with mute features to work
live.  The software on this thing is like the Eveready battery ad....
        Take care.....      

At 07:28 PM 5/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
>If Gelb is recommending the Boomerang over the EDP, I recommend Bananas
>at Large and Thoroughbred over Gelb. 
>
>Tom "Oops, my latent brand loyalty is showing, even though I was sacked"
>Spaulding
>
>Kim Flint wrote:
> Gelb isn't interested in
>> finding out. It's getting quite irritating for me, because I keep getting
>> stuck answering a lot of questions from people who have been seriously
>> misinformed by them. I used to think they were a good store, but I've begun
>> to seriously question that.
>> 
>
>> 
>> kim
>> I went last
>> >weekend to see/hear one at Gelb Music in Redwood City, & they told me
>> >they didn't carry them any more, as they had had severe reliability
>> >problems. They were recommending the BOOMERANG. 
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >_________________________________________________________
>> >DO YOU YAHOO!?
>> >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>



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Thanks, Grover, it's good to be heard from. Glad to hear you are
assaulting the innards of the tastiest looping device you could ever
slap a tongue around - the venerable EDP. Of course, I never helped
actually build one (well maybe I handed somebody a screw or something),
I just devised crass marketing strategies, coined catchy slogans and
placated petulant mobs of the Great Unlooped as best I could. The EDP
software has depth and breadth of Dirk Digglerian proportions, indeed.
Props to Matthias and Kim as always. I miss all y'all. 

Tom "Roget's Thesaurus - The Perfect Gift" Spaulding

Grover Sheffield wrote:
> 
> Tom "Intangible Integrity Intact" Spaulding,
>         Good to hear from you; hope you're doing well.  I'm still enjoying
> learning how to better use one of the EDPs you helped build.  Right now
> trying to put the the next loop in conjunction with mute features to work
> live.  The software on this thing is like the Eveready battery ad....
>         Take care.....
> 
> At 07:28 PM 5/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >If Gelb is recommending the Boomerang over the EDP, I recommend Bananas
> >at Large and Thoroughbred over Gelb.
> >
> >Tom "Oops, my latent brand loyalty is showing, even though I was sacked"
> >Spaulding
> >
> >Kim Flint wrote:
> > Gelb isn't interested in
> >> finding out. It's getting quite irritating for me, because I keep getting
> >> stuck answering a lot of questions from people who have been seriously
> >> misinformed by them. I used to think they were a good store, but I've begun
> >> to seriously question that.
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> kim
> >> I went last
> >> >weekend to see/hear one at Gelb Music in Redwood City, & they told me
> >> >they didn't carry them any more, as they had had severe reliability
> >> >problems. They were recommending the BOOMERANG.
> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >_________________________________________________________
> >> >DO YOU YAHOO!?
> >> >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >


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Sorry to be thick, but I ask the following questions in the hope
that some MIDI literate person will hold my hand.
At present I use a floor based FX processor + expression pedal
and EDP foot controler. I find this combination needs at least
two feet so I either play (guitar) seated or fall over a lot.
I am now thinking of getting a rack mounted FX unit (any recommendations?)
which inevitably means a midi floor control (thinking of the 
Rocktron midimate). Now the question:
Can I set up a midi floor control to work in the same way as the EFC7?

Now the really key question: How?

I've read the manual but not being midiminded I can't make much
sense of it. OK, I can't make any sense of it, so please help.

Jim Carter



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In a message dated 5/27/98 12:25:31 AM, you wrote:

>The EDP
>software has depth and breadth of Dirk Digglerian proportions, indeed.


It will cost you $10 to look at my EDP!!!!

-Marshall "Boogie Loops"


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I AM Brock Landers!

Marzzz@aol.com wrote:
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> In a message dated 5/27/98 12:25:31 AM, you wrote:
> 
> >The EDP
> >software has depth and breadth of Dirk Digglerian proportions, indeed.
> 
> It will cost you $10 to look at my EDP!!!!
> 
> -Marshall "Boogie Loops"


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The event will take place on Saturday, May 30th at the Frederick R. Weisman
Museum. Doors open at 7:30 and the show starts at 8 o'clock Central
Standard Time.(ending arouund midnight CST) It will be broadcast in Real
Video and Audio and their will be a chat room open.

http://server.tt.net/ultramodern/future.html


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Hi Jim-

first go to the "echoplex footpedal tutorial" on the website, that should
answer your questions.

http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html

If not, come back and ask again!

kim

At 4:06 AM -0700 5/27/98, JF. Carter wrote:
>Sorry to be thick, but I ask the following questions in the hope
>that some MIDI literate person will hold my hand.
>At present I use a floor based FX processor + expression pedal
>and EDP foot controler. I find this combination needs at least
>two feet so I either play (guitar) seated or fall over a lot.
>I am now thinking of getting a rack mounted FX unit (any recommendations?)
>which inevitably means a midi floor control (thinking of the
>Rocktron midimate). Now the question:
>Can I set up a midi floor control to work in the same way as the EFC7?
>
>Now the really key question: How?
>
>I've read the manual but not being midiminded I can't make much
>sense of it. OK, I can't make any sense of it, so please help.
>
>Jim Carter


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Hey Loopers,


Knowing how many of us are recording our music and working to get it
played, I wanted to send this in for a few reasons. First Joel used a cut
from our new CD Primary Colors: BLUE, so on that note I have to toot
FingerPaint's horn. Second he used our cassette a year and a half ago
extensively, proving that he really does play cassettes( go for it
andre...)

So get in touch with him. And good luck.

Patrick

> From: joelkru@aol.com (JoelKru)
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> Subject: 5/23 Playlist: Pushing The Envelope-WHUS/Storrs, CT
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> 5/23/98
> 
> Greetings!
> 
> Welcome to the 5/23  playlist for "Pushing The Envelope - Music Decidedly Left
> of Center"  which airs on 91.7 FM, WHUS, the radio station of the
University of
> Connecticut in Storrs.
> 
> "Pushing The Envelope" returns in a new time slot, after a four month hiatus,
> airing on Saturday afternoons from 3 to 5 PM.  It continues it's mission of
> presenting the best of avant-garde classical, rock, jazz, ambient, electronic,
> along with a healthy dollop of new and classic progressive rock (i.e., King
> Crimson, Boud Deun, Gentle Giant, etc.).
> 
> As always, I'm constantly looking for new music to air.  If you have something
> that you'd like to share with our listeners (Yes, I DO play cassettes and
> DATs!), please sent it along to:
> 
> Joel Krutt / WHUS
> Pushing The Envelope
> University of Connecticut
> Box U-8R
> Storrs, CT  06269
> 
> e-mail: joelkru@aol.com
> 
> Thanks for checking out the list!
> 'Til next time,
> Peace
> Joel
> 
> 
> 5/23/98 Playlist:  Pushing The Envelope
> 
> ~Opening Titles - David Arnold - Godzilla: The Album - Epic/Sony Music
> Soundtrax (1998)
> ~Eastern Man - Terry Riley - Songs For The Ten Voices Of The Two Prophets -
> Kuckuck (1982)
> ~Thatness & Thereness - Ryuichi Sakamoto - B-2 Unit - Alfa Records (1980)
> ~Altar Piece - composer: Joseph Kasinskas / Relache: The Ensemble For
> Contemporary Music featuring Barbara Noska - Here & Now - Castillo Records
> (1983)
> ~Gin & Tonic - DAAU - We Need New Animals - Sony Music (1998)
> ~Instant Kitten - Matching Mole - Matching Mole - CBS (1972)
> 
> -In Memoriam: Clara Rockmore-
> ~Berceusce - composer: Igor Stravinsky / theremin: Clara Rockmore | piano:
> Nadia Reisenberg - The Art Of The Theremin - Delos (1987)
> ~Seranade Melancolique - composer: Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky / theremin: Clara
> Rockmore | piano: Nadia Reiseberg - The Art Of The Theremin - Delos (1987)
> 
> ~Measuring The Storm - Fingerpaint - Primary Colors: Blue - FNGP Records
(1998)
> ~The Wheel - Utopia - Anthology (1974-1985) - Rhino (1989)
> 
> SWEDISH MUSIC DAY
> 
> ~In A State Of Comprehension - Isildurs Bane - MIND, Vol. 1 - Svenska Unikum
> (1997)
> ~Norweigian Fragments - composer: Magnus Eldenius / Hardanger fiddle: Joar
> Skorpen - Constellations: Electroacoustic Music From Sweden - Phono Suecia
> (1996)
> ~Nocturne - Rune Lindblad - Death Of The Moon - Pogus (1997)
> ~Spirare Celorum - composer: Tommie Haglund / clavisino: Carl Axel Dominique -
> Inti Inti - Carprice (1998)
> ~Saxazione per 18 Saxofoni - composer: Miklos Maros / The South German
> Saxophone Chamber Orchestra - Saxazione - Phono Suecia (1997)
> ~Alias (part 1) - Ake Parmerud - Invisible Music - Phono Suecia (1994)
> ~"If I May Trust The Flattering Truth Of Sleep" - composer: Peter Hansen /
> vibraphones: Jerker Johansson & Lars Eliasson | Javanese gongs: Fredrik
> Andersson - Trajectories - Slask (1996)

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i have a new e-mail address          Nemoguitt@aol.com        just in case you
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> From: Chuck Zwicky <chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com>
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject: Mpls Loop performance
> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 1:21 PM
> 
> 
> The event will take place on Saturday, May 30th at the Frederick R.
Weisman

i'm sorry, what city/state is this???

andre'


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>> The event will take place on Saturday, May 30th at the Frederick R.
>Weisman
>
>i'm sorry, what city/state is this???

     And who is it playing?
    In other Minneapolis loop news, Pamela Z is performing  at the Walker
art center at 10 p.m. friday, $4-8.
The blurb in the Tribune sez:

    "The problem with so many producers and muscicans who play with loops is
that they forget it's the space between sounds, and the kind of sounds being
layered together, that make it work-- it shouldn't just be cool-sounding
redundancy.  Pamela Z knows how to work the loops, unleashing a chorus of
chirping voices, triggering electronic samples or taking street sounds and
pairing it with her bel canto operatic vocalizations to create expansive and
innovative sound collages.  Using the white noise of our everyday (talking
ticket-taking booths) she weaves together dense, textured slices of sculpted
sound that surprise and intrigue the listener.  She performs with the
Screaming Horns of Terror Funtime Orchestra."

Steve in Mpls.



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Okay,
 The event is in MINNEAPOLIS. I will be performing, along with several
other acts.

There is a web site for the event:


http://server.tt.net/ultramodern/future.html


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Hi, I'm steve, and have recently got into the fantastic world of desktop
music.

I've recently purchased some sound samples from time and space (Creative
essentials series), for the sole purpose of creating Hard House and Trance,
which I thought would cure my thirst for original material, but I've hit
another dilemma!

As great as mixing samples is, I want to do something a little more
creative.  In trance music especially, loops have the overall "Texture" of
the sound changing frequently.  How the hell do you do this?

I own a P166MMX with 64mb ram, and I'm running the standard Cubase that came
with the AWE 64 Gold card I bought for the task of making music.  Do I need
to shell out yet more money to do these wonderments, or do I just need to
get to know my equipment more intimately?

Any help anyone can offer (even if it's just a Web Site URL) would be
greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Steve Lauder



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Steve Lauder wrote:

> 
> As great as mixing samples is, I want to do something a little more
> creative.  In trance music especially, loops have the overall "Texture" of
> the sound changing frequently.  How the hell do you do this?
> 
Steve

whath you probably hear here is filter sweeps toi get an idea of what
you could do with your sound card go to http://www.technotoys.com/ and
download the techo toys bundle seq+arpegiator. there are some example
songs dedicated to the awe which use filter tweaking enjoy 

and do not forget to support sharewares they deserve it

Claude

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Hello all, it's that time of the year again when I put pedal to the metal
and do the tour thing-ey again spreading harmony and disharmony
in equal measure (well maybe more of the latter) across the land.
If you're in the area, it'd be great to see you!  We'll be selling CD's and
tapes as well, to support our travels, and we're certainly open to trades!
Here's the scoop-

Spin-17
Ed  Chang           :Electronics, Guitar, Clarinet, Tape Wreckage
Motoko Shimizu      :Vocals, Turntable, Toys, Electronics, Bridge Guitar

PerFormIng     AdulT          MuSic On   ChilDren?S     ToyS
PerFormIng     ChilDren?S     MuSic On   AdulT          ToyS

SPIN-17 Mini-Tour Dates (Spring)

May 30  Philadelphia, PA, 8 pm   Asian Arts Initiative
             with OUTPLACE (Sean O?Donnell/David Forlano)

May 31  Baltimore, MD, 8:30 pm   The Red Room at NORMAL?s
        w. Jason WILLETT/John DIERKER & Evan RAPPORT/Chuck BETTIS.

June 1  Richmond, VA, 10 pm Hole In The Wall
             w. REPULSE MONKEY (feat members of PELT)

June 2  Asheville, NC, 9:30 pm   Vincent?s Ear
                  w. SKINFLICK

June 3  Atlanta, GA, 10 pm  The Star Bar
             w. GOLD SPARKLE BAND/NUZION BIG BAND

June 4  Chapel Hill, NC, 8 pm    Two Way Pull Records/Dr Quang?s Gallery
                  w. IVANOVITCH

June 5  Chapel Hill, 12 noon     Live Radio Performance on WXYC
                  (buy more batteries)

June 6  Philadelphia, PA, 10pm   The Astrocade
                  w. HEARING TRUMPET & KNURL

June 7  Trenton, NJ, 7pm         ArtWorks
                  w. GIANTS OF JAZZ


SPIN-17 is a duo project that mixes improvisation with experimental
composition (with a little bit ?o punk thrown in for fun). Mix together
the worst records from Salvation Army, the contents of a Toys ?R? Us
electronics department, some down-home reed chawin? clarinet, the
evil ghost of Betty Boop, and some Ante-diluvian anvil-guitar-plunking.
Bake for 5 minutes and swallow quickly.

Spin-17 have been performing in the New York area for the last
year and have finally put out a full-length CD of pieces to be
enjoyed by young and old alike.  A highlight of this new release
features their take on John Cage?s ?Aria? (with a newly-generated
?Plunderphonic? mix) as well as some good, fake ?Drum & Bass?
needle scratching.

They?re attitude is to pay their respects to experimental music
while destroying it at the same time.  Whether they succeed or
fail, their Stockhausen impressions (the uber-composer?s
voice, not  music) are a hoot.




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I have yet to find out what the bridge guitar is and would still like to
know what and how.
Please get back to me Edward.
Jeff Collins
collinsclan@sprintmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com <Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com>
To: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com <Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com>
Date: Thursday, May 28, 1998 2:20 PM
Subject: Spin-17 East Coast tour


Hello all, it's that time of the year again when I put pedal to the metal
and do the tour thing-ey again spreading harmony and disharmony
in equal measure (well maybe more of the latter) across the land.
If you're in the area, it'd be great to see you!  We'll be selling CD's and
tapes as well, to support our travels, and we're certainly open to trades!
Here's the scoop-

Spin-17
Ed  Chang           :Electronics, Guitar, Clarinet, Tape Wreckage
Motoko Shimizu      :Vocals, Turntable, Toys, Electronics, Bridge Guitar

PerFormIng     AdulT          MuSic On   ChilDren?S     ToyS
PerFormIng     ChilDren?S     MuSic On   AdulT          ToyS

SPIN-17 Mini-Tour Dates (Spring)

May 30  Philadelphia, PA, 8 pm   Asian Arts Initiative
             with OUTPLACE (Sean O?Donnell/David Forlano)

May 31  Baltimore, MD, 8:30 pm   The Red Room at NORMAL?s
        w. Jason WILLETT/John DIERKER & Evan RAPPORT/Chuck BETTIS.

June 1  Richmond, VA, 10 pm Hole In The Wall
             w. REPULSE MONKEY (feat members of PELT)

June 2  Asheville, NC, 9:30 pm   Vincent?s Ear
                  w. SKINFLICK

June 3  Atlanta, GA, 10 pm  The Star Bar
             w. GOLD SPARKLE BAND/NUZION BIG BAND

June 4  Chapel Hill, NC, 8 pm    Two Way Pull Records/Dr Quang?s Gallery
                  w. IVANOVITCH

June 5  Chapel Hill, 12 noon     Live Radio Performance on WXYC
                  (buy more batteries)

June 6  Philadelphia, PA, 10pm   The Astrocade
                  w. HEARING TRUMPET & KNURL

June 7  Trenton, NJ, 7pm         ArtWorks
                  w. GIANTS OF JAZZ


SPIN-17 is a duo project that mixes improvisation with experimental
composition (with a little bit ?o punk thrown in for fun). Mix together
the worst records from Salvation Army, the contents of a Toys ?R? Us
electronics department, some down-home reed chawin? clarinet, the
evil ghost of Betty Boop, and some Ante-diluvian anvil-guitar-plunking.
Bake for 5 minutes and swallow quickly.

Spin-17 have been performing in the New York area for the last
year and have finally put out a full-length CD of pieces to be
enjoyed by young and old alike.  A highlight of this new release
features their take on John Cage?s ?Aria? (with a newly-generated
?Plunderphonic? mix) as well as some good, fake ?Drum & Bass?
needle scratching.

They?re attitude is to pay their respects to experimental music
while destroying it at the same time.  Whether they succeed or
fail, their Stockhausen impressions (the uber-composer?s
voice, not  music) are a hoot.







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hey loopers, how many of you have new or recent releases?
curious....anyone ever thought of maybe doing a compilation of tracks by
list members?

(I'm not talking about something where people **pay** to be on someone's
cd. To me there's something a bit off putting about that. I'm on a couple
of other lists where members have put together comps and distro'd em with
fairly good success....)

Click here-- http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/




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>hey loopers, how many of you have new or recent releases?
>curious....anyone ever thought of maybe doing a compilation of tracks by
>list members?
>
>(I'm not talking about something where people **pay** to be on someone's
>cd. To me there's something a bit off putting about that. I'm on a couple
>of other lists where members have put together comps and distro'd em with
>fairly good success....)
>
>Click here-- http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/
>
I'd be interested in that but my music doesn't really have any looping. Just
prepared guitars and noise.
Jeff Collins
collinsclan@sprintmail.com




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Hey all,

Maybe this is old news, but I finally got some time to comb the LD archives
and read a lot of *fascinating* threads about the Bob Sellon MutMax
modifications for the old JamMan. My question is, does anyone know what has
happened to this project? The proposed mods sound just fantastic, and I'd love
to have them done to my JamPup. I didn't see Bob Sellons e-mail in the
archives. Is he still on the list? Does anyone know how (or even if) I can get
ahold of him?

Anxiously anticipating,

Drew Wheeler


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Since the subject came up :).........
I have just released my second CD, featuring a lot of 'Plex stuff, you can
hear some stuff at:
http://www.ethergate.com/users/belladonna/FutureP/cd2.htm
my suggestion is for the song 'Echolocation', which is looped guitar synth
stuff...I know there were (are?) Looper's Delight CDs planned, but maybe we
can also do it on a smaller scale, maybe just a web page with links to songs
in either MP3 or real audio. Im always interested what other people have
come up with.
Dave Eichenberger
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'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082




>hey loopers, how many of you have new or recent releases?
>curious....anyone ever thought of maybe doing a compilation of tracks by
>list members?




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I've no problem with the idea of putting something out as a collection
of material from a list; I must say that most of the projects I've
seen pop up, either here or on the Elephant Talk newsletter, have
ended up not only wanting for funds, but in limbo, lacking for the
time on anyone's part to finish the assemblage.

If you think about it, though, who's going to pay for the disks or
tapes to be made?  I myself have been in-between contracts since early
March, and am scraping along just enough to keep the power, phone, and
gas on, and buy the occasional groceries.  Not my favorite way to lose
10 pounds, but hey!  A - R - T - I - S - T, right?  And, in the
meantime, I can write, contact as many possible employers as possible,
and continue to compose, record, and do my web page.  I suppose this
is what they mean by the relative price of artistic freedom...!

Stephen Goodman  * It's... The Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Studios    * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios




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Right now there are actually 3 different cd projects in progress by members
of Looper's Delight! I believe the second LD volume is nearest to
completion, and is actually a two cd set. Last I heard it was on its way
back from mastering. Can't wait to hear it! The first cd is supposedly
done, but we've been waiting a long time for that one, sadly. (anyone heard
from Ray since the last report?) The 3rd project is revving up. If you guys
want to start up project #4, by all means go for it!

kim


At 9:47 PM -0700 5/28/98, zom wrote:
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>curious....anyone ever thought of maybe doing a compilation of tracks by
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>of other lists where members have put together comps and distro'd em with
>fairly good success....)
>
>Click here-- http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/


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At 11:39 PM -0700 5/28/98, <TritoneDW@aol.com> wrote:
>Hey all,
>
>Maybe this is old news, but I finally got some time to comb the LD archives
>and read a lot of *fascinating* threads about the Bob Sellon MutMax
>modifications for the old JamMan. My question is, does anyone know what has
>happened to this project? The proposed mods sound just fantastic, and I'd love
>to have them done to my JamPup. I didn't see Bob Sellons e-mail in the
>archives. Is he still on the list? Does anyone know how (or even if) I can get
>ahold of him?
>

I don't think he is currently on the list. his address is
bsellon@lexicon.com. Last I heard he had some trouble getting Lex
management to go along. It'd be nice to hear an update if anything's
changed.

kim

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Bob Sellon's project also has a website.

Mark Kata
Mark@asisoftware.com


http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/8541/

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hello-saw this on harmony-central about a new sampler (possible looper)?
NemeSys Gigasampler..........they have a blurb on it at Harmony-central.com or
you can go to the source at www.nemesystech.com . thought it might be of
interest to those of you into computer based works........have a good
one..........michael


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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:47:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pete Koniuto <pkoniuto@bu.edu>
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I recently ordered an EDP from Bananas At Large--it
should be arriving shortly.  I was told it would be
loaded with 4 MB.

Does anyone know if that will be 4 1MB SIMMS or 1
4MB? 

Reason i'm asking is i want to go get the extra memory
now so i can put it in right away before i rack the
unit.

Thanks,

Pete



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>
>Does anyone know if that will be 4 1MB SIMMS or 1
>4MB? 

I ordered one from them, and it came with 4 1MB simms.

Travis Hartnett


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Mine came with 4 1MB simms - anyone got a use for these?
I've got about 16 of em' now between the plex and my old
'386, plus naother 20 here at work I just pulled from machines
here after getting a great deal at www.onsale.com of 4MB simms 
for $6 each.

Stew

>
>I recently ordered an EDP from Bananas At Large--it
>should be arriving shortly.  I was told it would be
>loaded with 4 MB.
>
>Does anyone know if that will be 4 1MB SIMMS or 1
>4MB? 
>
>Reason i'm asking is i want to go get the extra memory
>now so i can put it in right away before i rack the
>unit.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Pete
>
>
>
>
>




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Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
> 
> hello-saw this on harmony-central about a new sampler (possible looper)?
> NemeSys Gigasampler..........they have a blurb on it at Harmony-central.com or
> you can go to the source at www.nemesystech.com . thought it might be of
> interest to those of you into computer based works........have a good
> one..........michael


Not really a looper but can be used for same. Giga sampler has been much
anticipated.


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The one I received from them a month ago was with four 1 MB SIMMS, so you
will need to get four 4 meg SIMMS if you want to max out the memory.




Pete Koniuto <pkoniuto@bu.edu> on 05/29/98 08:47:25 AM

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I recently ordered an EDP from Bananas At Large--it
should be arriving shortly.  I was told it would be
loaded with 4 MB.

Does anyone know if that will be 4 1MB SIMMS or 1
4MB?

Reason i'm asking is i want to go get the extra memory
now so i can put it in right away before i rack the
unit.

Thanks,

Pete










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Pete Koniuto wrote:
> 
> I recently ordered an EDP from Bananas At Large--it
> should be arriving shortly.  I was told it would be
> loaded with 4 MB.


Can you say how much you paid for it, and provide the contact info for
bananas at large?  The web site (bananasatlarge.com)doesn't seem to have
product sales info.

Thanks,
msg


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	I think that the idea of having a web page with .MP3 or .RA files (or links to them) is a fantastic one.  I would be willing to hear ideas of how this could best be organized.  If a good idea comes up I would be happy to act as a sponsor and put a loop link page on my website.  I would suggest providing links to looper websites that have audio clips; for those loopers without websites, I could store their clips on my site for a cost of $1.00 (Canadian) per megabyte (which is what my provider charges me for disk space over the 10 Mb I get free).  I would also be happy to convert cassette or CD recordings into RealAudio files (as long as hundreds of people didn't send things in at once).
	Lets hear some ideas.

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The looper profiles page on the LD website already lets you put your
website url in your profile, so people can click on it and go right there.
Lots of people have that set up already. Chris will probably add a feature
specifically for real audio or mp3 links in the profile, next time he
updates the code. So then people could click directly on audio samples
right off the profile. In the mean time you could always put the urls for
audio files in the comment field.

I'm sure some people would appreciate the offer of disk space though. It's
beyond my resources to support that on the LD site. Much saner to provide
links to people's own sites.

kim



>	I think that the idea of having a web page with .MP3 or .RA files
>(or links to them) is a fantastic one.  I would be willing to hear ideas
>of how this could best be organized.  If a good idea comes up I would be
>happy to act as a sponsor and put a loop link page on my website.  I would
>suggest providing links to looper websites that have audio clips; for
>those loopers without websites, I could store their clips on my site for a
>cost of $1.00 (Canadian) per megabyte (which is what my provider charges
>me for disk space over the 10 Mb I get free).  I would also be happy to
>convert cassette or CD recordings into RealAudio files (as long as
>hundreds of people didn't send things in at once).
>	Lets hear some ideas.


______________________________________________________________________
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I've been storing some files over on Xoom for free - they've got 10MB
space available for each account, and their throughput is good enough
to pass RealAudio in 28.8 Stereo.  See
http://members.xoom.com/earthlight to see examples therein. :)

Stephen Goodman  * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week, Phil
Hartman)!
EarthLight Studios    * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios




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its phase shifting 
phase cancellation...
streoization
not so much what your equipment does and more what the sound produced by
your equipment does on its own

you can mimmick what naturally occurs in looping by phase shifting one
channell(left or right.) by someting like 5ms (or pick yer favorite
number) and then playing it back... all your original pitches will
change just a little bit, all dependant upon the frequencies that
comprise your soundwave...

house N. techno is good 4 you 
loopaway

Steve Lauder wrote:
> 
> Hi, I'm steve, and have recently got into the fantastic world of desktop
> music.
> 
> I've recently purchased some sound samples from time and space (Creative
> essentials series), for the sole purpose of creating Hard House and Trance,
> which I thought would cure my thirst for original material, but I've hit
> another dilemma!
> 
> As great as mixing samples is, I want to do something a little more
> creative.  In trance music especially, loops have the overall "Texture" of
> the sound changing frequently.  How the hell do you do this?
> 
> I own a P166MMX with 64mb ram, and I'm running the standard Cubase that came
> with the AWE 64 Gold card I bought for the task of making music.  Do I need
> to shell out yet more money to do these wonderments, or do I just need to
> get to know my equipment more intimately?
> 
> Any help anyone can offer (even if it's just a Web Site URL) would be
> greatly appreciated.
> 
> Cheers
> Steve Lauder


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The  show that I will be playing in tonight (saturday may 30th) is going to
be broadcast live on the net.
The show starts at 8pm CST and runs till midnight.


http://server.tt.net/ultramodern/future.html

is the link to the audio and video.

Thanks,
 -Chuck Zwicky

PS: Here is a recap of what I'll be using:

In my solo loop performances I use a  1984 Steinberger GL-2 guitar (with a
fixed bridge!). I tune the guitar in straight 5ths: A  E  B  F#  C#  G#.
This gives me nearly a five octave range from the open  A   to the   G#  at
the 24th fret. I've also modified the electonics in the guitar, replacing
the EMG pickups with passive, and adding the ability to select the
individual coils within each pickup (all without drilling a single hole).

 The guitar's signal goes into an Ensoniq DP/4+, which is an amazing
resource of tonal oddity. I worked with Ensoniq as a consultant to develop
the DP/4+, and spent about 6 months working with Jon Dattorro on the new
distortion algorhythms which became "Guitar Amp 4" and "Digital Tube Amp".
These simulations have tremendous touch response and are modeled after my
favorite class A tube amp. (the AC30)

I split the DP/4+ into two 2-unit processors. The signal flow is from the
guitar to DSP A, in series with DSP B, the output of which goes to my
Lexicon Jam-man. The output of the Jam-man goes into the DP/4+ DSP C and D,
usually in series but often in a feedback configuration. 

The first 2 DSPs in the DP4/+ are used for my pre-loop processing, and I've
created presets using amps, 'TC-Sustainor" emulations, ring-modulation,
filters, octave-fuzzes, modulation delays, harmonizers, a guitar tuner,
etc. These sounds are captured in the Jam-Man. The last 2 DSPs in the DP/4+
Are post loop processing, and are usually the overall ambience of the
performance, often employing 3D imaging tricks.

 The pre and post processing are independantly selected by my Rolls "Midi
Wizard" using mapped program changes. It also controls the Jam-Man. I use a
CV pedal to modulate the DP/4+. The Rolls is phantom powered through the
MIDI cable.

The entire setup is mounted in a 4-space SKB rack with a 1-space connector
panel for the MIDI, CV, and audio interfacing. Since the connections are
all on the front, I leave the rear lid on the SKB and set it face-up on the
stage, which allows me to clearly see the displays.

 Setup and soundcheck take less than five minutes, and I can usually
carry-on my entire rig, including the Steinberger, when flying as they will
fit in an overhead compartment.

-Chuck Zwicky



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Greetings folks,

Sad when we have to have things like this happen, in order to come
together - But, having decided over Memorial Day weekend that my Loop
Of The Week would be dedicated from here on out, I never thought I'd
be thinking about someone's passing so soon afterward.

This Saturday, The Loop Of The Week will be dedicated to a fine
comedian, artist, actor, and conveyor of a myriad of characters, Phil
Hartman.

It's now available for your downloading, and hopefully, enjoyment,
enough to perhaps give you a smile, if not a few chuckles.  (In case
you have gotten them before, this one's going to be a bit less
"ambient" than usual,
depending on your definition of the word).  It's also
specially-extended for your entertainment.

So do drop in before next Saturday - get the Loop Of The Week - and
let me know what you think.

Stephen Goodman  * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week for Phil
Hartman)!
EarthLight Studios  * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios






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Leonardo Cavallo wrote:
> 
> At 12.39 20/05/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hi all.  Sorry if this is a little off topic, but do any of you have Cubase
> >VST, and what do you think about it?  I'm considering buying it, but I
> >would like to have some opinions regarding it's user-friendliness first.
> >
> >Thanks, Cam
> >
>
I use Cubase VST on the Mac.  I have 3 echoplexs.  I get a drum machine
(Roland PMA-5 or a R8M) or use cubase to get drums going w/MIDI, and
sync the plex to MIDI.  I grap three loops in the plexs and then dump
them onto DA s/ cubase.  This is quick and easy.  I have my mixers set
up so I can patch the plexs right into the DA.  Once the loops are in
DA, I go back and make more loops on the plexs and dump them back to
DA.  Everything stays in sync nicely.  I find that the DA sounds AT
LEAST as gook as the original (especially if monitored through the same
amp/speakers as the original.  I also have a vortex that I can patch the
plex through on the way to the DA.  A really interesting effect is to
duymp loops from the plex to DA, then hit invert on one or more of the
plex and then dump that into DA, and mix in with the forward versions.

Cubase has really simplified my setup in that it is so seemless;

>From plex to DA.  In jsut a few minutes I can get up to 12 looped tracks
(4 stereo tracks, each w/ three plexs) into the DA.

I really like the plugins.  Check out Dave's free plugins (see Steinburg
web site),  the N-pole filter is awsome.

I bought the Dance pak (Cubase, REBirth, and Recycle) from guitar center
on sale for $399.  Rebirth is a computer based TR808,909 simulater that
kicks butt.  REcycle is a sample slicer that takes (mainly drums)
samples and slices them so they can play at any tempo (slower than the
original).  

The cubase interface is really simple. I have a G#/266.  I'm not sure
how it would work on something slower, but it is great on my computer.


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"Explorations in Time/Space" - Soundscapes and Improvisations
Paul Mimlitsch (Chapman Stick¨/Loops)
J. Janetta ("Texturely" percussion/treated voice)
-Thurs. June 4th 8:00pm-close "Cafe Seattle" 140 Haddon Ave. Haddonfield N.J.
(609)354-2220
-Sat. June 13th. 7:00pm-close "Garden of Eden Resaturant" Rt.73/Ramblewood
Pkwy. Mt. Laurel N.J. (609)778-1971
-Thurs. June 18th 8:00pm-Opening set at "Three Hour Detour"'s CD
(http://mars.superlink.net/~rayash/3htcd.htm) release party at "Down to Earth
Coffeehouse" High St. Mt. Holly N.J. (609)265-9135
-June 6,12,20,26,27,28 - as part of the exploratory jazz trio "Adelante", info
to be had at: <<http://www.newcommunity.net/adelante/adelante.html>>
Note: Also performing at the Adelante club "Shamballah" gig will be Stick¨
player Ray Ashley whos' set will consist of original solo pieces for Stick
(and also an mbira piece or two).




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How many of you have tried or plan to try Acid? It's THE loop-based
sequencer. I just can't believe how easy it is to use.


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I've had ACID for about a week -- it's great for tempo and key-matching
loops, though I've had some problem synchronizing it with other devices and
programs -- it sends MIDI time code, but doesn't (can't??) issue a MIDI
start command to kick off the following device(s) automatically.
Technically, it's also supposed to chase MTC, but it doesn't do this well
at all -- in fact, I haven't been able to get it to work.

If anyone has any workarounds/insights on the sync issue, let me know.

Overall, a great concept, and a good buy for it's specific strengths.  

-- Rob


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Yeah. Acid does seem to lack in the midi side of it all but I'd bet
that Sonic Foundry will be fixing that in an update or upgrade.

Ciloc


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At 04:21 AM 01-06-97 -0700, you wrote:
>for the love of god p[lease take me off this damn list

Kim, it sounds like you should have a separate section for list removal on
the LD index page. (:

Anthony, you have to go to Looper's Delight's site and remove yourself by
finding out how, it's not done for you.



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Hello,

Does anyone here know what is going on at Bananas At Large? I was in
contact with Rick Elswit (via his private email) a while ago. And then I
told him I wanted to order the 'plex and since then he hasn't answered me
(though he said earlier that they would be willing to ship me one). I also
tried bananas@bananas.com but I get no response. Is it just me they are
ignoring or?

Does anyone know any other stores in the US who would be willing to ship an
Echoplex to Europe? Addresses?

Thanks,
Mattias "Getting desperate for that 'plex" Ribbing (Sweden)


