From ???@??? Sun Mar 01 11:49:58 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 1 06:36:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y99qz-0002an-00; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 06:36:33 -0800 Message-ID: <34F971C6.411DBDA5@jps.net> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 06:33:42 -0800 From: Roland Eberle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Korg SDD-3000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6Uy2JB.A.LOC.tHX-0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3692 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 06:36:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 222d29b979475482409f69e6429043b6 Anyone know if this has loopability? Korg SDD-3000 (either 300 or 3000...can't clearly recall)...I saw it in a used gear section at a local music store for $150... thanks all... From ???@??? Sun Mar 01 23:02:46 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 1 16:17:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9Iuk-0007Qu-00; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:17:03 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <2796c39b.34f9f998@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:13:10 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, stickwire-l@netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: march gigs Content-type: text/plain X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"75zIKB.A.AuG.mnf-0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3694 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:17:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 3d47f33c56330892d2e4b8cd1058db91 Solo - Fri. March 13 Celestial Cafe Medford N.J. (609)596-7098 Solo - Thurs. March 19 Muggas Uncommon Grounds Merchantville N.J. (609)317-0199 "Adelente" - Sat. March 21 Down to Earth Mt. Holly N.J. (609)265-9135 Shared billing with modern folksters "Dogs Without Bones" $5.00 cover Thanks - Paul Mimlitsch (Chapman Stick¨/Loops) From ???@??? Sun Mar 01 23:02:48 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 1 18:02:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9KYl-0005SD-00; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 18:02:27 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <339bd332.34fa124c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:58:34 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: ADA MIDI foot controller for Jamman (question on midi pgm. changes) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"soQ7MC.A.n3E.gKh-0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3695 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 18:02:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 7246f1e43e97843cfae70e6a55fb626c Just bought an ADA this weekend and tried it out. Thanks for all the input. Have a question for those that may know, the jamman manual shows program change 1 to be tap for all modes. I can get the recording to go when I press pgm. chg. 1 but hitting it the second time doesn't stop the recording for playback. If I hit any of the others and then press 1 it will stop. Shouldn't the tap function work like the analog unit? TAP to record and Tap to playback. P.S. The Fade functions are really cool, can't wait to experiment with the others. Regards; John Peters 3rd CD Project open for submissions! From ???@??? Sun Mar 01 23:02:57 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 1 20:53:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9NEj-0007h4-00; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:53:57 -0800 From: ENAT21213 Message-ID: <92cae910.34fa360a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:31:04 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: ADA MIDI foot controller for Jamman (question on midi pgm. changes) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Resent-Message-ID: <"EYg9WC.A.P7G.Drj-0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3696 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:53:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 650f444d7cca479ed3a808b4e694fd06 In a message dated 98-03-01 21:01:36 EST, you write: << Have a question for those that may know, the jamman manual shows program change 1 to be tap for all modes. I can get the recording to go when I press pgm. chg. 1 but hitting it the second time doesn't stop the recording for playback. If I hit any of the others and then press 1 it will stop. Shouldn't the tap function work like the analog unit? TAP to record and Tap to playback. >> hello john, i use two ada mc1 foot controllers.i midi merge the two so i don't have to bank up to programs # 10 tru 19 to get to the jammans fade and loops 1 thru 8 functions.i find you have to tap 1 to start the record function then press anything other than 1 or 2 (lets say 3) then press 1 again to start your loop.let me if this works out for you. brian mckenzie From ???@??? Mon Mar 02 01:49:37 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 2 00:22:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9QUM-0002lq-00; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 00:22:18 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980302014637.007bd670@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 01:46:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: ADA MIDI foot controller for Jamman (question on midi pgm. changes) In-Reply-To: <339bd332.34fa124c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7iAif.A.UaC.-um-0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3698 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 00:22:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 8533e5bd4ec4c9efbd1f7c198dab5a22 On my Rolls pedal the tap works as it does using the Lexicon footswitch. The ADA is obviously not re-transmitting the program change (because it thinks 'we're already here"). I'd suggest returning it and getting something that works in the manner which you find most intuitive. -Chuck Zwicky At 08:58 PM 3/1/98 EST, you wrote: >Just bought an ADA this weekend and tried it out. Thanks for all the input. > >Have a question for those that may know, the jamman manual shows program >change 1 to be tap for all modes. I can get the recording to go when I press >pgm. chg. 1 but hitting it the second time doesn't stop the recording for >playback. If I hit any of the others and then press 1 it will stop. > >Shouldn't the tap function work like the analog unit? TAP to record and Tap >to playback. > >P.S. The Fade functions are really cool, can't wait to experiment with the >others. > >Regards; >John Peters > > 3rd CD Project open for >submissions! > > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 02 09:47:08 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 2 04:30:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9UMd-0003bl-00; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 04:30:35 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD45AD.086CAAC0.douglas-lawrence@home.com> From: Douglas Lawrence Reply-To: "douglas-lawrence@home.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Lovetone Meatball Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:30:10 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LIFxz.A.OMD.rXq-0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3699 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 04:30:35 -0800 X-UIDL: a36b7d4b7d5e97de23f312897d11f129 Anybody have a Lovetone Meatball? This is the "Cadillac" of all envelope followers made in the UK. I use my QTron with my bass right now, but somehow can't seem to get the right sound. I was going to experiment with the Mutron III+ reissue, but thought it may just turn out to be like the Qtron. New Lovetone Meatballs go for about $360 direct since the exchange rate is terrible right now (they only sell direct!). From ???@??? Mon Mar 02 09:47:20 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 2 05:16:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9V52-0005Jz-00; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 05:16:28 -0800 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:17:44 +0100 To: Loopers Delight * Mail List From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: EDP at the Musikmesse ? Resent-Message-ID: <"ILyG5D.A.Y0E.yCr-0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3700 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 05:16:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 678cdb97c9156738c208c8d737310bba Next week i'll go to Frankfurt for the Musikmesse.(something like the N.A.M.M. but larger...) http://www.frankfurt-daily-97.de , http://www.musikmesse.de Anyone knows if the Echoplex will be there? Someone on the loopers Delight Mail list will be there ? Has anyone a hint for nice gear to check (percussions, looping, ...) thanks ciao nicos From ???@??? Mon Mar 02 09:47:30 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 2 06:19:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9W3Y-0000dd-00; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:19:00 -0800 Message-Id: <98Mar2.091431est.18830@thicket.arbortext.com> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:08:40 -0500 From: David White Reply-To: dwhite@arbortext.com Organization: Arbortext Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ADA MIDI foot controller for Jamman (question on midi pgm. changes) References: <339bd332.34fa124c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZQ95s.A.TW._8r-0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3701 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:19:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 58da5329e23c1c19f56710aae2ce235c I use an ADA MPC and it works fine - hitting PC 1 twice in row will start and stop my Jamman record mode. Is your's an MPC? Was it used or new? dAve ANET wrote: > Just bought an ADA this weekend and tried it out. Thanks for all the input. > > Have a question for those that may know, the jamman manual shows program > change 1 to be tap for all modes. I can get the recording to go when I press > pgm. chg. 1 but hitting it the second time doesn't stop the recording for > playback. If I hit any of the others and then press 1 it will stop. > > Shouldn't the tap function work like the analog unit? TAP to record and Tap > to playback. > > P.S. The Fade functions are really cool, can't wait to experiment with the > others. > > Regards; > John Peters > > 3rd CD Project open for > submissions! > From ???@??? Mon Mar 02 09:47:36 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 2 07:20:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9X0d-0004qq-00; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:20:03 -0800 From: MIvanBerk Message-ID: <4b699df2.34facd40@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:16:14 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Lovetone Meatball Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"ekWaQ.A.OQE.B2s-0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3703 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:20:03 -0800 X-UIDL: f97f7974ab43333fafa79ffa80133c36 I have one, and it's a great piece of equipment. If you're looking for the "right" sound, a la the Mutron III, this may not necessarily be your best choice for the money. It gets a LOT more extreme than Mutrons I've heard, and offers a few more options (6 knobs, 4 rotary switches, and there's a effects loop , parallel to the envelope follower, in which you can place other boxes that might disturb the triggering -- fuzzes, octavers -- but which you still want filtered. Some nifty Microsynth like tones are available this way. You get pedal inputs to control decay time (which can result in very long decays, good for long filtersweeps) and for intensity, which'll give you a quasi-wah- wah effect). Ohhh -- and it sounds fantastic, like all the other Lovetone products. Basically, it is the "Cadillac of Envelope Filters," but it is pricey (don't forget the import duty), and if you're just looking for autowah, you might want to save yourself $100 and take a look at the Mutron. If you're not opposed to rack gear, you might also want to look at the MAM RS-3 Resonator, which offers 3 bandpass filters controllable via an envelope follower (for the autowah stuff) or 2 LFOs (for really out Univibe and phaser effects). They're around $300 US, and are in stores. -Mike From ???@??? Mon Mar 02 09:47:42 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 2 08:02:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9XfJ-0000IZ-00; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:02:05 -0800 From: MIvanBerk Message-ID: <8ddd5fd.34fad700@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:57:50 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Lovetone Meatball Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"p37QpD.A.7QH.Tdt-0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3704 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:02:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 7ae20fce939021f4b41994ef003e0f58 Noticed this on the Vintage Guitar classifieds thismorning. Good Luck! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lovetone Meatball Envelope filter 2 months old - Mint Condition 310$ (Including Fedex Shipping) - apers_pieter @ euroclear.com - 3/2/98 5:13:15 AM -Mike From ???@??? Mon Mar 02 19:51:34 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 2 09:51:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9ZNF-0003Ak-00; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:51:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:15:00 -0800 Message-ID: <0009A3CA.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: ring modulators To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com, mark sottilaro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"t5YjeB.A.zdC.3Cv-0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3705 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:51:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 28ecaf721914b3f2d4824a6051618732 Mark Sottilaro wrote: I too searched the world for a ring modulator about 3 years ago and came up almost blank. I ended up building the kit version, as I'm pretty good with electronics componants. Don't waste you time. It was so noisy it was unusable. However, I came across the Korg AX-30. I LOVE IT! It's got a beautiful ring moduator (very quiet), as well as great "fuzz face/big muff" style distortion.... SNIP... I've got a Boss GX-700 and it has a pretty decent ring modulator. It has a smart feature which tracks your frequency as well as the capability to leave it at a fixed frequency as well. I can be blended in any combo of dry / wet dynamically using continuous control. Pretty cool for that sneaky weird note you just have to have in that solo... The GX-700 also has a pretty full grab bag of all their distortions and preamp emulations, a fixed / pedal / auto wah module, as well as speaker simulators and eq. It has a programmable series or parallel loop which can be inserted in any order in the patch. It has a modulation section of which the ring mod is a part. It has a separate chorus module as well as delay, pan - vibrato, and reverb. This box ran me $350.00 used on the net. It's been a great addition to my rack. Regarding looping... I haven't yet tried long delays with high regen values only because I have a LXP15, a JamMan, and a Vortex. I'll get around to checking that part out someday! -Miko From ???@??? Mon Mar 02 19:51:54 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 2 12:19:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9bgj-0002z9-00; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:19:49 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD45AD.086CAAC0.douglas-lawrence@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:16:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Lovetone Meatball Resent-Message-ID: <"Iw39H.A.mXC.LOx-0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3706 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:19:49 -0800 X-UIDL: d563fbc74d22195fc91d93f1519ec97e >Anybody have a Lovetone Meatball? This is the "Cadillac" of all envelope >followers made in the UK. I use my QTron with my bass right now, but >somehow can't seem to get the right sound. I was going to experiment with >the Mutron III+ reissue, but thought it may just turn out to be like the >Qtron. New Lovetone Meatballs go for about $360 direct since the exchange >rate is terrible right now (they only sell direct!). I have one and really like it. The recent post was a good description. I would only add that, for me, the effect is something of a magic box...that is, each time I use it, I seem to get a new sound,for which I have trouble reproducing afterwards. In this way, it is fun and exciting to use. I use it occasionally for the funky guitar and bootsy bass sounds (also sounds great with a clav!). But another feature of this unit is that you can turn the trigger off, and just use it as a static filter. I use it this way , with a EH deluxe big muff on the Meatball's fx loop. This gives me a wonderful smooth fuzz sound that cuts right thru the mix and sustains forever. Another note on the meatball, is that i find that low-output guitars (like strats) don't have enough signal to fully trigger the filter sweep. So, I put a clean gain stage (currently using mxr micro-amp) before the meatball so I have a LOT of range. Thought it was worth the money. My experience with ALL of Lovetone's effects (although haven't yet heard the Big Cheese) is that they are high-quality, low noise, and don't drastically alter your original tone (unlike some of the EH stuff). - chris __________________________________________________ Chris Chovit avec@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov AVIRIS Experiment Coordinator pager #: (888) 415-4547 From ???@??? Sun Mar 01 12:30:03 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 1 12:12:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9F6S-0002SO-00; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:12:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199803012009.OAA17690@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> From: "PEDALMAN" To: Subject: Re: Korg SDD-3000 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:04:15 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IzcGwC.A.iCC.oCc-0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3693 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:12:52 -0800 X-UIDL: b8865d103a5dd8fc0653cc5d22c91267 ---------- > From: Roland Eberle > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Korg SDD-3000 > Date: Sunday, March 01, 1998 9:33 AM > > Anyone know if this has loopability? > Korg SDD-3000 (either 300 or 3000...can't clearly recall)...I saw it in > a used gear section > at a local music store for $150... > thanks all... > > > no it doesn't,the 3000 is more of a regular delay, the sdd2000 DOES have looping capabilities (over 4 seconds), we just had one but it sold,great unit, tons of features. WE need a 3000 though so WE CAN PAY $275-300 shipped for a SDD-3000 (NOT 3300) in EXC!!! pedalman@pedalman.com http://www.pedalman.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 02 19:52:25 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 2 16:13:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9fKn-0002ly-00; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:13:25 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:06:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) Subject: Re: Torn in Phila Resent-Message-ID: <"DkU8oB.A.rDC.fo0-0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3707 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:13:25 -0800 X-UIDL: f24306dc57a2ce0abc35620db18e4416 are tickets for the Torn show this saturday only available at the door or can they be had other ways?? >The following is a forward of a message sent out to wxpn radio listeners by >Chuck VanZyle host of the Star's End Radio Show: > <Torn was >announced as being the featured artist performing live at the next Star's >End Gathering. The Gathering will be held on Saturday, March 7th, 1998 at >8pm in Houston Hall on The Penn campus. For more information about the next >Gathering with David Torn, check the Star's End website: >http://www.starsend.org>> Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Mon Mar 02 09:47:34 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 2 06:52:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9WZq-0002uH-00; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:52:22 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980302162849.0bd70478@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 16:28:49 To: "douglas-lawrence@home.com" From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Lovetone Meatball Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <01BD45AD.086CAAC0.douglas-lawrence@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"a5ej9C.A.ndC.Lcs-0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3702 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:52:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 92fa0b864c349ac19cd535a57674e8ff Douglas: >Anybody have a Lovetone Meatball? This is the "Cadillac" of all envelope >followers made in the UK. I use my QTron with my bass right now, but >somehow can't seem to get the right sound. I was going to experiment with >the Mutron III+ reissue, but thought it may just turn out to be like the >Qtron. New Lovetone Meatballs go for about $360 direct since the exchange >rate is terrible right now (they only sell direct!). I thought the exchange rate is pretty good, myself! US goods are _almost_ affordable! ;) (Oh, for the early 90s, when a pound bought 2 dollars...) Michael From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 09:23:31 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 03:03:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9pTu-0003SS-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 03:03:30 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <34682502.34fbe2b2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 06:00:00 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Torn in Phila Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"0bWJSC.A.VCD.6L--0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3709 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 03:03:30 -0800 X-UIDL: a083f023a23637a31ae9b9ec4a29c7cc In a message dated 3/2/98 7:31:48 PM, you wrote: <> Paul; As far as I know, only at the door. - Paul From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 09:24:22 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 08:45:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9up4-0002wc-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:45:42 -0800 Message-ID: <34FBEDE4.6C30@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 11:47:48 +0000 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Iws8lC.A.pOC.LLD_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3715 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:45:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 6da4b695482ffb8c5103db7020c60f97 THOMAS W ROADY wrote: > > unsubscribe > > "Technology is rampant. We live in a world where the same technology that > allows men to walk on the moon is being used to make plastic dogshit" > Leland Sklar...Bass Player March 92' > > Hey! don't forget to check out my CD, ZENDRUM : ONE TRIBE featured in Dec. 97 > ELECTRONIC MUSICIAN Pro File and March 98 KEYBOARD Discoveries column...To > hear excerpts dial the Museline at 617-497-5786 ext.# 9363......VISIT MY > HOMEPAGE AT: > http://www.nashville.net/~tomroady The ongoing comedy that is life is, well, ongoing. Trevor From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 09:23:43 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 05:54:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9s9J-000553-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 05:54:25 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.16.19980204094423.2fff0ae4@texas.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980204120629.00701158@txdirect.net> <3.0.2.16.19980204052301.2267c310@texas.net> <199802031352_MC2-31BE-E669@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:50:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: CDR870/audio CDR discs Resent-Message-ID: <"mf9y5B.A.aUE.vqA_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3710 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 05:54:25 -0800 X-UIDL: a0ef2284bef8baa13c6178ca0653ddff Several people here have mentioned the Philips CDR870. I just picked one up and love it--good bye DAT! Audio CDR discs, though, aren't cheap--yesterday I saw TDK's at Tower records for nine bucks apiece (plus tax!). I have found a source for recordable discs which are high quality, 74 minutes, and a matte gold printable blank surface. Problem: minimum order in the hundreds. My question: anybody here who would be interested in these discs at maybe $3.75 each, lots of 20, plus about $10 shipping? If I can get a half-dozen responses, I'll seriously think about the order. Even the best street price I've seen is almost double this amount, and they certainly aren't printable.... P.S. These are NOT for computer data--I know those discs are dirt cheap. For the Philips CDR870 and other direct-audio CD recorders, the discs must say "compact disc digital audio recordable". And in case it's not clear, these are NOT "rewritable" discs. David Myers From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 09:23:44 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 05:55:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9sA7-0005CK-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 05:55:15 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:51:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: CDR870/audio CDR discs Resent-Message-ID: <"FNJgVD.A.MZE.QrA_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3711 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 05:55:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 6bd7c4a494fb51118a192148f53bdd4d Several people here have mentioned the Philips CDR870. I just picked one up and love it--good bye DAT! Audio CDR discs, though, aren't cheap--yesterday I saw TDK's at Tower records for nine bucks apiece (plus tax!). I have found a source for recordable discs which are high quality, 74 minutes, and a matte gold printable blank surface. Problem: minimum order in the hundreds. My question: anybody here who would be interested in these discs at maybe $3.75 each, lots of 20, plus about $10 shipping? If I can get a half-dozen responses, I'll seriously think about the order. Even the best street price I've seen is almost double this amount, and they certainly aren't printable.... P.S. These are NOT for computer data--I know those discs are dirt cheap. For the Philips CDR870 and other direct-audio CD recorders, the discs must say "compact disc digital audio recordable". And in case it's not clear, these are NOT "rewritable" discs. David Myers From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 09:23:45 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 06:02:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9sGv-0005sJ-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 06:02:17 -0800 X-Sender: tomroady@mail.telalink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:59:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: tomroady@telalink.net (THOMAS W ROADY) Resent-Message-ID: <"T3JJXB.A.2PF.TzA_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3712 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 06:02:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 9bfb6af73033fcebf486e686f25ece0a unsubscribe "Technology is rampant. We live in a world where the same technology that allows men to walk on the moon is being used to make plastic dogshit" Leland Sklar...Bass Player March 92' Hey! don't forget to check out my CD, ZENDRUM : ONE TRIBE featured in Dec. 97 ELECTRONIC MUSICIAN Pro File and March 98 KEYBOARD Discoveries column...To hear excerpts dial the Museline at 617-497-5786 ext.# 9363......VISIT MY HOMEPAGE AT: http://www.nashville.net/~tomroady From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 09:24:07 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 07:09:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9tKM-0002cS-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:09:54 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29276862@NTSRV2> From: "Sellon, Bob (Exchange)" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: ADA MIDI foot controller for Jamman (question on midi pgm. c hanges) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:46:26 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29276862@NTSRV2> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD4689.3D8B11B0" Resent-Message-ID: <"wM-ZFB.A.EDC.txB_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3713 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:09:54 -0800 X-UIDL: e74c2ddf99a08296e97aaa0f5ef62a31 Actually, there may have been a problem with the earlier ADA midi controllers. I seem to recall that they originally didn't send redundant program changes (the same message twice) which would cause this problem. I think they have since fixed the problem. You should contact the manufacturer for an updated rom. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec > ---------- > From: David White[SMTP:dwhite@arbortext.com] > Reply To: dwhite@arbortext.com > Sent: Monday, March 02, 1998 9:18 AM > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > Subject: Re: ADA MIDI foot controller for Jamman (question on > midi pgm. changes) > > I use an ADA MPC and it works fine - hitting PC 1 twice in row will > start and > stop my Jamman record mode. > > Is your's an MPC? Was it used or new? > > dAve > > ANET wrote: > > > Just bought an ADA this weekend and tried it out. Thanks for all > the input. > > > > Have a question for those that may know, the jamman manual shows > program > > change 1 to be tap for all modes. I can get the recording to go > when I press > > pgm. chg. 1 but hitting it the second time doesn't stop the > recording for > > playback. If I hit any of the others and then press 1 it will stop. > > > > Shouldn't the tap function work like the analog unit? TAP to record > and Tap > > to playback. > > > > P.S. The Fade functions are really cool, can't wait to experiment > with the > > others. > > > > Regards; > > John Peters > > > > 3rd CD Project > open for > > submissions! > > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 09:24:16 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 08:05:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9uBr-0006ul-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:05:11 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980303100207.007b89f0@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 10:02:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: My Looping Rig In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980302014637.007bd670@wavefront.com> References: <339bd332.34fa124c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lxdOmB.A.NHG.ylC_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3714 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:05:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 62ca717b5d3123e1b014537f77263799 In my solo loop performances I use a 1984 Steinberger GL-2 guitar (with a fixed bridge!). I tune the guitar in straight 5ths: A E B F# C# G#. This gives me nearly a five octave range from the open A to the G# at the 24th fret. I've also modified the electonics in the guitar, replacing the EMG pickups with passive, and adding the ability to select the individual coils within each pickup (all without drilling a single hole). The guitar's signal goes into an Ensoniq DP/4+, which is an amazing resource of tonal oddity. I worked with Ensoniq as a consultant to develop the DP/4+, and spent about 6 months working with Jon Dattorro on the new distortion algorhythms which became "Guitar Amp 4" and "Digital Tube Amp". These simulations have tremendous touch response and are modeled after my favorite class A tube amp. I split the DP/4+ into two 2-unit processors. The signal flow is from the guitar to DSP A, in series with DSP B, the output of which goes to my Lexicon Jam-man. The output of the Jam-man goes into the DP/4+ DSP C and D, usually in series but often in a feedback configuration. The first 2 DSPs in the DP4/+ are used for my pre-loop processing, and I've created presets using amps, 'TC-Sustainor" emulations, ring-modulation, filters, octave-fuzzes, modulation delays, harmonizers, a guitar tuner, etc. These sounds are captured in the Jam-Man. The last 2 DSPs in the DP/4+ Are post loop processing, and are usually the overall ambience of the performance, often employing 3D imaging tricks. The pre and post processing are independantly selected by my Rolls "Midi Wizard" using mapped program changes. It also controls the Jam-Man. I use a CV pedal to modulate the DP/4+. The Rolls is phantom powered through the MIDI cable. The entire setup is mounted in a 4-space SKB rack with a 1-space connector panel for the MIDI, CV, and audio interfacing. Since the connections are all on the front, I leave the rear lid on the SKB and set it face-up on the stage, which allows me to clearly see the displays. Setup and soundcheck take less than five minutes, and I can usually carry-on my entire rig, including the Steinberger, when flying as they will fit in an overhead compartment. -Chuck Zwicky From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 09:37:30 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 09:34:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9vae-0000IU-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:34:52 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29276862@NTSRV2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:30:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: ADA MIDI foot controller for Jamman (question on midi pgm. c hanges) Resent-Message-ID: <"RY4yE.A.1DH.y4D_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3716 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:34:52 -0800 X-UIDL: c1167914fa5d78a023bf8dd9485c7cd7 ADA went out of business a couple months ago, so forget about contacting them..... kim At 9:46 AM -0500 3/3/98, Sellon, Bob (Exchange) wrote: >Actually, there may have been a problem with the earlier ADA midi >controllers. I seem to recall that they originally didn't send redundant >program changes (the same message twice) which would cause this problem. >I think they have since fixed the problem. You should contact the >manufacturer for an updated rom. > >Bob Sellon >Lexicon/Stec ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 10:35:07 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 10:13:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9wC5-0004eI-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:13:33 -0800 Message-Id: <199803031804.KAA02929@sonic.sonic.com> Subject: Re: live backwards tape effects Date: Tue, 3 Mar 98 10:11:17 -0800 x-sender: andy_wolpert@pop.sonic.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Andy Wolpert To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"wmDah.A.LpD.EcE_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3717 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:13:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 6bf9c4b098c6fbc166ccc2c9e54f3092 >live backwards tape effects This is my favorite EDP function. The insert button has a mode (selectable using the edit button) called REV (or reverse). In this mode when the insert button is pressed whatever is in the loop starts going backwards, and what ever gets recorded will go backwards when the insert button is pressed again. Thus backwards and forwards can be blended. This is yet another advantage to the EDP over real life where time inexoriably goes forward. __ _/\_ / \___/ \______ \ Andy Wolpert \__ | Sonic Solutions \ / awolpert@sonic.com / | (415) 893-8043 / \___ __ ___/ \__/ \_____/ From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 10:35:09 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 10:21:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9wJe-0005iL-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:21:22 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:14:09 -0500 (EST) From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <980303131408_-924704170@mrin53> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: My Looping Rig Resent-Message-ID: <"b0a0uC.A.2lE.2iE_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3718 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:21:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 453fa7095eea9c57f868b7dcda2a0206 Great and intriguing post. Tell us in more detail about the Ensoniq DP/4+...what is this thing? Best, The LoOpdOctOrs From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 23:02:55 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 12:24:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9yEo-0003nD-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:24:30 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980303201739.00a4fe38@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 12:17:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: any torn concert reviews? Resent-Message-ID: <"S60nlD.A.Z_C.lXG_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3719 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:24:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 02766166d0ba5c36ba3f805cde8a4424 Did anyone go to see DT in LA the other day? Care to share? How was it? Now I understand that since David is a resident loopin' luminary, you may need to suck up a bit, that's fine. Those of us living in uncultured backwaters like san francisco would like the vicarious experience anyway.... kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 23:03:03 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 13:28:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9zEu-0002U0-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:28:40 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980303201739.00a4fe38@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:21:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: any torn concert reviews? Resent-Message-ID: <"ydEin.A.pXB.4QH_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3720 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:28:40 -0800 X-UIDL: fc3460400161e8992bca571b47c8deab >Did anyone go to see DT in LA the other day? Care to share? How was it? Now >I understand that since David is a resident loopin' luminary, you may need >to suck up a bit, that's fine. Those of us living in uncultured backwaters >like san francisco would like the vicarious experience anyway.... Well, since you asked....I went and really enjoyed it. I had not heard his music before, so it was a pleasant introduction. McCabe's is a nice venue -- really cozy (seats 150) and intimate. The music was a nice blend of textures and smoking guitar riffs (which were textures unto themselves, I suppose). I was especially impressed by the variety of sounds he got, considering he only had 5 pieces of rack gear. He used his equipment well, that is, it seemed virtually transparent..he did not have any frustrating experiences trying to get something or another to work (as I often experience). He opened the set playing an Ud, which sounded absolutely amazing! Also, another guitarist joined him for a while, who played a nylon string guitar, (beautifully). The two styles blended nicely together, even though (I suspect) it was fully improvised. Since David is on this list, I have a few questions, hoping that he is willing to share some of his trade secrets: 1. What device creates the lush "synthy" sounds that swell up (seemingly) in proportion to the intensity of your guitar playing, and how do you trigger it? (I did not see any midi pickups on your guitar). 2. What do you control with the (peavey, i think) midi faders? 3. What was generating the rhythms that you seemed to have pre-recorded? were they samples? sequences? 4. What was happening when you kept pressing the button on the old (Lexicon?) unit? I could only see the LED numbers changing, but could not tell what the sonic result was. Thanks for a delightful and inspiring experience! - chris From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 23:03:04 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 13:30:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9zGI-0002fw-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:30:06 -0800 Message-ID: <19980303211901.22908.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: any torn concert reviews? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 13:19:00 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"3R2QGD.A.XhB.BSH_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3721 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:30:06 -0800 X-UIDL: ba0f4acb7a7a5eb301e81cb2571a1c53 Uh Urgh- Since no one else has I will belly on up... Of course Sunday's show was being viewed under a really funky flu which I still have so... Highlights include: He came down the stairs to the stage with an odd shaped oud (flat,hollow,electric) and played for a couple minutes with this and finally settled into an oud loop and picked his electric and played that on top... A really wonderful piece. After he said he was scared shitless since he had just gotten it and it was his public oud debut... A couple tracks from Tripping were played... I knew I was in for fun when I heard Miroslav Tadic speaking Serbo-Croat in the shop to someone... He came out and played with Torn for an improvised section. It was amazing to see this guy in the flesh. Not to say this is a limber guy, but as my girlfriend pointed out he was the only guy she has ever seen cross his legs and have BOTH feet touch the floor. This guy's right hand technique needs to be studied like the Zapruder film. His thumb alone is a limb in and of itself playing upstokes independently on the low strings. During this duet Torn added in a cassette recording of a muezzin, and did some shaker mic feedback... He winged alot of the show it seemed, which I think is what the audience, including myself, wanted. Good stuff Maynard. Wish I felt better tho. Selam, Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 23:03:06 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 13:47:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9zXB-0004m9-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:47:33 -0800 Message-ID: <19980303214107.20393.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: any torn concert reviews? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 13:41:06 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"cNKIXC.A.-yD.9kH_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3722 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:47:33 -0800 X-UIDL: a19e73017863d1af8e945d9606d4be26 Oh and I forgot to add.... It was funny to see after the show the group of people huddled around the stage with the "how did he do that?" look. > >Uh Urgh- > >Since no one else has I will belly on up... >Of course Sunday's show was being viewed under a really funky flu which >I still have so... >Highlights include: >He came down the stairs to the stage with an odd shaped oud >(flat,hollow,electric) and played for a couple minutes with this and >finally settled into an oud loop and picked his electric and played that >on top... A really wonderful piece. After he said he was scared shitless >since he had just gotten it and it was his public oud debut... >A couple tracks from Tripping were played... >I knew I was in for fun when I heard Miroslav Tadic speaking Serbo-Croat >in the shop to someone... He came out and played with Torn for an >improvised section. It was amazing to see this guy in the flesh. Not to >say this is a limber guy, but as my girlfriend pointed out he was the >only guy she has ever seen cross his legs and have BOTH feet touch the >floor. This guy's right hand technique needs to be studied like the >Zapruder film. His thumb alone is a limb in and of itself playing >upstokes independently on the low strings. During this duet Torn added >in a cassette recording of a muezzin, and did some shaker mic >feedback... > >He winged alot of the show it seemed, which I think is what the >audience, including myself, wanted. > >Good stuff Maynard. > >Wish I felt better tho. > > >Selam, > >Buck > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 23:03:07 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 13:55:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y9zf6-0005pl-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:55:44 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980303155101.007cda60@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 15:51:01 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: DP/4+ and DP/2 In-Reply-To: <980303131408_-924704170@mrin53> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"G7xcrD.A.g-E.jtH_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3723 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:55:44 -0800 X-UIDL: d48126f6787b2ae1265e7d9c31fa4015 The Ensoniq DP/4+ is a 2-space, rack mounted effects processor. It has 4 DSP engines which may be configured in a variety of ways. It has 4 physical inputs and 4 physical outputs. It can be operated as: 4 in / 4 stereo out (submixed as 2 pairs) 4 in /4 out mono processor stereo in (x2)/stereo out (x2). It has 54 algorhythms, including: 3.3 sec Delay (2U) 8 Voice Chorus De-esser Digital Tube Amp Dual Delay Ducker/Gate Dynamic Tube Amp EQ-Chorus-DDL EQ-Compressor EQ-DDL with LFO EQ-Flanger-DDL EQ-Panner-DDL EQ-Tremolo-DDL EQ-Vibrato-DDL Expander FastPitchShift Flanger Gated Reverb Guitar Amp 1 Guitar Amp 2 Guitar Amp 3 Guitar Amp 4 Guitar Tuner 2U Hall Reverb InverseExpander Keyed Expander Large Plate Large Room Reverb MultiTap Delay No Effect Non-Linear Reverb Non-Linear Reverb 2 Non-Linear Reverb 3 Parametric EQ Phaser-DDL Pitch Shift 2U Pitch Shift-DDL Pitch Shifter Reverse Reverb Reverse Reverb 2 Rotating Speaker Rumble Filter Sine/Noise Generator Small Plate Small Room Reverb Speaker Cabinet Tempo Delay Tunable Speaker 1 Tunable Speaker 2 Van der Pol Filter VCF-Distortion 1 VCF-Distortion 2 Vocal Remover (4U) Vocoder (4U) The DP/2 is a single space device with 2 DSP engines, and features several more 'guitar' oriented algos. Total of 64 algos: Hall Reverb Large Plate Small Plate Large Room Small Room Gated Reverb Reverse Reverb 1 Reverse Reverb 2 NonLinear Reverb 1 NonLinear Reverb 2 NonLinear Reverb 3 MultiTap Delay Dual Delay Tempo Delay 3.6 sec DDL 2U 8 Voice Chorus Flanger Phaser-DDL Rotating Speaker Speaker Cabinet Tunable Speaker 1 Tunable Speaker 2 Parametric EQ EQ-Gate EQ-Compressor Guitar Amp 1 Guitar Amp 2 Guitar Amp 3 Guitar Amp 4 Digital Tube Amp Dynamic Tube Amp VCF-Distortion 1 VCF-Distortion 2 FuzzBox Guitar Tuner 2U Pitch Shifter Fast Pitch Shift Pitch Shift-DDL Pitch Shift 2U Expander Keyed Expander Inverse Expander Ducker/Gate De-esser Rumble Filter Van der Pol Filter Vocal Remover Vocoder 2U Sine/Noise Generator ADSR Envelope Generator No Effect Plate-Chorus Chorus-Reverb Flanger-Reverb Phaser-Reverb EQ-Chorus-DDL EQ-Flanger-DDL EQ-Panner-DDL EQ-Tremolo-DDL EQ-Vibrato-DDL EQ-DDL with LFO Distortion-Chorus-Reverb Distortion-Roto-Reverb Wah-Distortion-Reverb Compressor-Distortion- Flanger-Reverb Go here: http://www.ensoniq.com/ And select "Ensoniq Archives" For complete specifications. All of the effects offer an amazing array of parameters, so ring modulation and other such effects are easily acheived with any of several algorhythms. From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 23:03:15 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 14:27:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yA09K-0001Te-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:26:58 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD46C8.D5B67530@TD-300> From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: DP/4+ and DP/2 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:21:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD46C8.D5C2AA30" Resent-Message-ID: <"twOEvD.A.8e.-HI_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3724 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:26:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 93e7d044d9456eee660c0dc99769f48f I got all a dem dere goodies built directly into the OS v 3.50 of my Ensoniq ASR 10 Sampler/Keyboard. Its mega fun using that thing for a synth, or big fat loop blurter ( 273 seconds of sample time. ) Its like having multiple instruments on top of instruments at times with each and every option being more intriguing and as exciting as the last. Sometimes I feel like The ASR 10's effects setup is mega way too much to have in one unit. But when a piece you really dig is finished I find Im really glad to have it at my fingertips. The editing capabilities are tremendous too. JP -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Zwicky [SMTP:chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 4:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DP/4+ and DP/2 The Ensoniq DP/4+ is a 2-space, rack mounted effects processor. It has 4 DSP engines which may be configured in a variety of ways. It has 4 physical inputs and 4 physical outputs. It can be operated as: 4 in / 4 stereo out (submixed as 2 pairs) 4 in /4 out mono processor stereo in (x2)/stereo out (x2). It has 54 algorhythms, including: 3.3 sec Delay (2U) 8 Voice Chorus De-esser Digital Tube Amp Dual Delay Ducker/Gate Dynamic Tube Amp EQ-Chorus-DDL EQ-Compressor EQ-DDL with LFO EQ-Flanger-DDL EQ-Panner-DDL EQ-Tremolo-DDL EQ-Vibrato-DDL Expander FastPitchShift Flanger Gated Reverb Guitar Amp 1 Guitar Amp 2 Guitar Amp 3 Guitar Amp 4 Guitar Tuner 2U Hall Reverb InverseExpander Keyed Expander Large Plate Large Room Reverb MultiTap Delay No Effect Non-Linear Reverb Non-Linear Reverb 2 Non-Linear Reverb 3 Parametric EQ Phaser-DDL Pitch Shift 2U Pitch Shift-DDL Pitch Shifter Reverse Reverb Reverse Reverb 2 Rotating Speaker Rumble Filter Sine/Noise Generator Small Plate Small Room Reverb Speaker Cabinet Tempo Delay Tunable Speaker 1 Tunable Speaker 2 Van der Pol Filter VCF-Distortion 1 VCF-Distortion 2 Vocal Remover (4U) Vocoder (4U) The DP/2 is a single space device with 2 DSP engines, and features several more 'guitar' oriented algos. Total of 64 algos: Hall Reverb Large Plate Small Plate Large Room Small Room Gated Reverb Reverse Reverb 1 Reverse Reverb 2 NonLinear Reverb 1 NonLinear Reverb 2 NonLinear Reverb 3 MultiTap Delay Dual Delay Tempo Delay 3.6 sec DDL 2U 8 Voice Chorus Flanger Phaser-DDL Rotating Speaker Speaker Cabinet Tunable Speaker 1 Tunable Speaker 2 Parametric EQ EQ-Gate EQ-Compressor Guitar Amp 1 Guitar Amp 2 Guitar Amp 3 Guitar Amp 4 Digital Tube Amp Dynamic Tube Amp VCF-Distortion 1 VCF-Distortion 2 FuzzBox Guitar Tuner 2U Pitch Shifter Fast Pitch Shift Pitch Shift-DDL Pitch Shift 2U Expander Keyed Expander Inverse Expander Ducker/Gate De-esser Rumble Filter Van der Pol Filter Vocal Remover Vocoder 2U Sine/Noise Generator ADSR Envelope Generator No Effect Plate-Chorus Chorus-Reverb Flanger-Reverb Phaser-Reverb EQ-Chorus-DDL EQ-Flanger-DDL EQ-Panner-DDL EQ-Tremolo-DDL EQ-Vibrato-DDL EQ-DDL with LFO Distortion-Chorus-Reverb Distortion-Roto-Reverb Wah-Distortion-Reverb Compressor-Distortion- Flanger-Reverb Go here: http://www.ensoniq.com/ And select "Ensoniq Archives" For complete specifications. All of the effects offer an amazing array of parameters, so ring modulation and other such effects are easily acheived with any of several algorhythms. From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 23:03:18 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 14:47:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yA0TJ-0003iL-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:47:37 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E1FE6@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: DP/4+ and DP/2 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:42:46 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"nZKWi.A.18C.LeI_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3725 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:47:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 6525ce4ac4d1196e6c0b65e3d454904f Does the DP/2 have the same annoying [for me] software (rather than hardware) bypass switch that the DP/4 does? I had a "4" and found that, though all the stuff in it sounded really great, it was a little lacking for my live on-the-fly improv playing-mostly because of the switch mentioned (if you had a loop [I was using 3-4 looping devices at various places in the chain] going INTO the DP/4, it made the loop "disappear" for a moment when switching programs). I also found it a little hard to get around the 4 discrete processors when searching for just the "right" one . . . so what's your opinion of the "2"? > ---------- > From: Chuck Zwicky > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 1:55 PM > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: DP/4+ and DP/2 > > The Ensoniq DP/4+ is a 2-space, rack mounted effects processor. It has > 4 > DSP engines which may be configured in a variety of ways. It has 4 > physical > inputs and 4 physical outputs. It can be operated as: > 4 in / 4 stereo out (submixed as 2 pairs) > 4 in /4 out mono processor > stereo in (x2)/stereo out (x2). > > It has 54 algorhythms, including: > > 3.3 sec Delay (2U) > 8 Voice Chorus > De-esser > Digital Tube Amp > Dual Delay > Ducker/Gate > Dynamic Tube Amp > EQ-Chorus-DDL > EQ-Compressor > EQ-DDL with LFO > EQ-Flanger-DDL > EQ-Panner-DDL > EQ-Tremolo-DDL > EQ-Vibrato-DDL > Expander > FastPitchShift > Flanger > Gated Reverb > > Guitar Amp 1 > Guitar Amp 2 > Guitar Amp 3 > Guitar Amp 4 > Guitar Tuner 2U > Hall Reverb > InverseExpander > Keyed Expander > Large Plate > Large Room Reverb > MultiTap Delay > No Effect > Non-Linear Reverb > Non-Linear Reverb 2 > Non-Linear Reverb 3 > Parametric EQ > Phaser-DDL > Pitch Shift 2U > > Pitch Shift-DDL > Pitch Shifter > Reverse Reverb > Reverse Reverb 2 > Rotating Speaker > Rumble Filter > Sine/Noise Generator > Small Plate > Small Room Reverb > Speaker Cabinet > Tempo Delay > Tunable Speaker 1 > Tunable Speaker 2 > Van der Pol Filter > VCF-Distortion 1 > VCF-Distortion 2 > Vocal Remover (4U) > Vocoder (4U) > > The DP/2 is a single space device with 2 DSP engines, and features > several > more 'guitar' oriented algos. > Total of 64 algos: > > Hall Reverb > Large Plate > Small Plate > Large Room > Small Room > Gated Reverb > Reverse Reverb 1 > Reverse Reverb 2 > NonLinear Reverb 1 > NonLinear Reverb 2 > NonLinear Reverb 3 > MultiTap Delay > Dual Delay > Tempo Delay > 3.6 sec DDL 2U > 8 Voice Chorus > Flanger > Phaser-DDL > Rotating Speaker > Speaker Cabinet > Tunable Speaker 1 > Tunable Speaker 2 > > Parametric EQ > EQ-Gate > EQ-Compressor > Guitar Amp 1 > Guitar Amp 2 > Guitar Amp 3 > Guitar Amp 4 > Digital Tube Amp > Dynamic Tube Amp > VCF-Distortion 1 > VCF-Distortion 2 > FuzzBox > Guitar Tuner 2U > Pitch Shifter > Fast Pitch Shift > Pitch Shift-DDL > Pitch Shift 2U > Expander > Keyed Expander > Inverse Expander > Ducker/Gate > De-esser > > Rumble Filter > Van der Pol Filter > Vocal Remover > Vocoder 2U > Sine/Noise Generator > ADSR Envelope Generator > No Effect > Plate-Chorus > Chorus-Reverb > Flanger-Reverb > Phaser-Reverb > EQ-Chorus-DDL > EQ-Flanger-DDL > EQ-Panner-DDL > EQ-Tremolo-DDL > EQ-Vibrato-DDL > EQ-DDL with LFO > Distortion-Chorus-Reverb > Distortion-Roto-Reverb > Wah-Distortion-Reverb > Compressor-Distortion- Flanger-Reverb > > > > > Go here: http://www.ensoniq.com/ > And select "Ensoniq Archives" For complete specifications. > > > All of the effects offer an amazing array of parameters, so ring > modulation > and other such effects are easily acheived with any of several > algorhythms. > From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 23:03:30 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 16:24:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yA1zR-0005xy-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:24:53 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199803040018.QAA16321@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: any torn concert reviews? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:18:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <19980303211901.22908.qmail@hotmail.com> from "Joseph Buck" at Mar 3, 98 01:19:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gTzP6D.A.90E.f3J_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3726 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:24:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 8e6ec0f1f6bc903e50f49fe5e7fcf82e Hi all, > Since no one else has I will belly on up... I also attended the Sunday night show. I tried to look for Andre LaFosse but couldn't find anyone matching his description. I had a feeling other LDers were at the show but I guess we all forgot to wear our Loopers Delight (tm) badges or something... :) > Highlights include: > He came down the stairs to the stage with an odd shaped oud > (flat,hollow,electric) and played for a couple minutes with this and It kind of looked like an overgrown racquetball racket. :) But the tone was wonderful. The improvisation on this electric oud was one of my favorite parts of the show. After the show, I couldn't help but mess around with one of the (acoustic) ouds hanging on the wall. The traditional oud design is an interesting take on fretless instrument design; instead of having a longer neck like a guitar where notes on the higher regions of the neck would have extremely short sustain, the neck is kept short so that the only notes available are the ones that can have some decent sustain (that is, the area of the fingerboard within 6-8 inches of the oud's "nut"). It's as if you took a fretless acoustic guitar and expanded the body so that it swallows up half the neck so that the non-sustaining notes higher up on the neck are gone and you are left with the ones with decent sustain. Well I may be way off in my theory, but what the heck... :) > I knew I was in for fun when I heard Miroslav Tadic speaking Serbo-Croat > in the shop to someone... He came out and played with Torn for an > improvised section. It was amazing to see this guy in the flesh. Not to > say this is a limber guy, but as my girlfriend pointed out he was the > only guy she has ever seen cross his legs and have BOTH feet touch the > floor. This guy's right hand technique needs to be studied like the > Zapruder film. His thumb alone is a limb in and of itself playing > upstokes independently on the low strings. During this duet Torn added > in a cassette recording of a muezzin, and did some shaker mic > feedback... So far I have heard _The Snake Music_ by Tadic and Mark Nauseef and _Let's Be Generous_, an album by a quartet of Tadic, Nauseef, Joachim Kuhn, and the bass player for Tony Williams Lifetime (Allan Holdsworth era). The music on the latter is somewhere between TWL and maybe Eric Dolphy, Pharaoh Sanders, etc. free jazz. I'm sure Andre can elaborate on Tadic's very eclectic background. He may still be teaching at Cal Arts. Agreed with the other posters about the positive comments about the show. I don't get to hear much live looping, so it was a great demonstration and a great musical performance all at once. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 23:03:31 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 16:57:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yA2VJ-00020d-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:57:49 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E1FE8@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: any torn concert reviews? Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:36:51 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"cB7_6.A.Xg.xRK_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3728 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:57:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 9a1cbf7efe14ba50542120e8973c515b > I'm sure Andre can elaborate on Tadic's very eclectic background. He > may > still be teaching at Cal Arts. > He is. From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 23:03:30 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 16:53:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yA2R2-0001Qr-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:53:24 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <279ab520.34fca39f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:43:09 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: ADA MIDI foot controller for Jamman (question on Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"Z5FyyB.A.DL.hPK_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3727 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:53:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 2cf4c729778fd616c77beec46fc63f7c Thanks Bob. I took the unit back and indeed we found it sent just one program change, thus the reason for me having to press another switch and then back to the program change. Since then, I have learned that the intermittant problem with the jamman is not in the switches. Its somewhere on the circuit board. I am not sure what's up, but I have squirted all the pots real good with cleaner. Next step is to reseat the ram and look for bad solder joints. After that, I'll have to do the thermal stuff to see it that's the prob. Gotta get the rig up for a performance on the 15th. Any suggestions would be greatly appreaciated. Thanks; John Peters 3rd CD Project is Now Underway! From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 23:03:32 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 17:02:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yA2Zl-0002bR-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:02:25 -0800 Message-ID: <19980304004848.6438.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: any torn concert reviews? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 16:48:48 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"EDZQKB.A.2EB.BWK_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3729 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:02:25 -0800 X-UIDL: dc740d9d80d14611e93571db79abd083 Paolo- >> an odd shaped oud (flat,hollow,electric) and played for a couple minutes with this and > >It kind of looked like an overgrown racquetball racket. :) > >But the tone was wonderful. I dunno. The holy grail of tone in electric large bowled string instruments (saz,oud,laouto,etc) has yet to match the complexity of the acoustic ones. I think this partially because few people seem to care, or treat them as guitars. As an aside my girlfriend is picking up from a couple makers in Crete and Athens an outi, a lyra, and a laouto.......Thank God for multitracking. >The improvisation on this electric oud was one of my favorite parts >of the show. Vey impressive. I was thinking of Torn taking a tip from DJ Shadow (who would ask his audience to bring any lp and he would mix it in)and give Torn any stringed instrument.... selam, buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 23:03:36 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 17:59:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yA3TI-0000eI-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:59:48 -0800 Message-ID: <34FCB63C.28D5@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 18:02:36 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: any torn concert reviews? References: <199803040018.QAA16321@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nKD1xC.A.nJ.uSL_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3730 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:59:48 -0800 X-UIDL: d820cf857564f6216b43d46f349f64a0 Paolo Valladolid wrote: > I also attended the Sunday night show. I tried to look for Andre LaFosse > but couldn't find anyone matching his description. Hi Paolo, sorry I missed you (and other list members). I was indeed there, sitting in the first row of the second cluster of seats (the nicer ones, with arms). Maybe my self-described "pseudo afro" is more of the first than the second these days... > I had a feeling other > LDers were at the show but I guess we all forgot to wear our Loopers Delight > (tm) badges or something... :) Kind of ironic, I guess; the biggest single meeting of LD members in one place, I'll bet, in a very small venue -- and none of us knew where the rest of us were! > > I knew I was in for fun when I heard Miroslav Tadic speaking Serbo-Croat > > in the shop to someone... Not as much fun as hearing him speak Cali slang lingo in that same Serbo-Croat accent, I can assure you! > > He came out and played with Torn for an > > improvised section. It was amazing to see this guy in the flesh. Not to > > say this is a limber guy, but as my girlfriend pointed out he was the > > only guy she has ever seen cross his legs and have BOTH feet touch the > > floor. Never heard it put that way, but he is ONE TALL DUDE, that's for sure. > > This guy's right hand technique needs to be studied like the > > Zapruder film. His thumb alone is a limb in and of itself playing > > upstokes independently on the low strings. About the only thing more mind-boggling than that is seeing and hearing him use that classical/flamenco hybrid technique on an electric guitar plugged into a roaring Marshall stack. There's *no one* who does that sort of thing on the guitar the way he does. > > During this duet Torn added > > in a cassette recording of a muezzin, and did some shaker mic > > feedback... The duet, plus Torn's improvised encore, were the highlights of the set for me. The entire show was a joy to hear, but those particular selections really seemed to crystallize in the air (or something). The juxtaposition of Torn's spacey effects and Tadic's bare-bones nylon-string was something else. They were saying after the show that the soundcheck was even better, though. Hard to believe, but who knows? > So far I have heard _The Snake Music_ by Tadic and Mark Nauseef and > _Let's Be Generous_, an album by a quartet of Tadic, Nauseef, Joachim Kuhn, > and the bass player for Tony Williams Lifetime (Allan Holdsworth era). The > music on the latter is somewhere between TWL and maybe Eric Dolphy, Pharaoh > Sanders, etc. free jazz. > I'm sure Andre can elaborate on Tadic's very eclectic background. He may > still be teaching at Cal Arts. He's still on the faculty at CalArts, though he's technically on sabbatical this semester. He performs in LA pretty infrequently, so it was all the more amazing to hear him duet with Torn. Anyone who's interested in more on his background should check out his homepage at http://shoko.calarts.edu/~snakes which includes bios of himself and collaborator Mark Nauseef, as well as many sound files in RealAudio format and other bits of interest (not to mention some prime examples of their truly warped humor). Torn did a guest DJ spot on LA public radio station KCRW the morning after the McCabe's show; he played some selections from his own projects, including a couple of songs from _What Means Solid, Traveller?_ and "Walls Of The Vortex" from _The Snake Music_, as well as bits of other artists, including some great drum 'n bass from DJ Olive project We which opened the set. I also had the very great pleasure of catching Torn's master class at CalArts the Friday before the McCabe's gig, and was able to spend some time talking with him over the weekend as well. It was a true privilege to hear what he played, as well as what he had to say on so many different subjects. Thanks again for everything, David! I hope you find yourself back around these parts sometime soon. --Andre LaFosse From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 23:03:40 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 19:41:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yA53P-0001pb-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:41:11 -0800 From: Marzzz Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:36:28 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Question for all you Klein guitarists (no loop content) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"eKDCpD.A.WWB.YyM_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3731 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:41:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 884046333f5432e50e6eb00ebf477271 hey everybody, Sorry for the lack of Looping content, but I need to ask those here with a Klein guitar...... I pulled out my Steinberger GM (graphite neck, alder body/maple top) after not playing it for a while, and plugging into my Mesa amp, I noticed that it had a warmer mid-range and bottom end than my Klein (rosewood neck, chambered swamp ash). When I plugged the Klein back in, it sounded actually THIN, and this is after several months of not really noticing this aspect of its tone (kind of "strat-y," as opposed to something like a Gibson SG). Closer comparison of the two guitars led me to notice that the distance from the pickups to the strings on the Klein was enormous, on the order of nearly 1/2 inch!! A quick call to Joe Barden later I raised the bridge pickup to his recommended height of approx. 1/16" to 1/4" above the bottom of the strings (when fretted at the 24th fret). The guitar now sounds quite a bit warmer/louder, but the bridge pickup is so high that it is nearly completely above the metal "collar!" Has anyone else noticed something like this? Is anyone else getting a thinner vs warmer tone (does spruce make a difference?) How high are the rest of you setting your pickups? Barden mentioned that he adjusted the Kleins at NAMM and was surprised that Lorenzo was building the guitars with so much space for the pickups..... Thanks- Marshall From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 23:04:10 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 21:09:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yA6RG-0001k0-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:09:54 -0800 Message-ID: <0b2101bd472b$83b0a680$1cf0ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Input on Plex Footswitch?? Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:08:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"jCekeC.A.TRB.cFO_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3732 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:09:54 -0800 X-UIDL: b10bf56dab360685dcd7411a6a604482 Can anyone who owns the 'Plex footswitch tell me where the input jack is located? On the back? Back center, right or left? Sides? Thanks for the info.. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 From ???@??? Tue Mar 03 23:04:11 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 21:37:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yA6sJ-0004IL-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:37:51 -0800 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: <7d6e7449.34fce784@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:32:49 EST To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: rocktron's new pc preamp Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"MdnW9C.A.OkD.DfO_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3733 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:37:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 4baf30fd0a4318ff9c99788bc59dc70e hello one and all a new looper here. just ran across this on harmony-central. it is an item on rocktrons pc preamp which allows you to go from guitar into your computer no midi necessary. you can also send a mic. or synth or drum machine thru it. thought it might be of interest. im a rang user and live in pittsburgh just learned about you all sunday nite. thanks for being here. see ya on the funway...michael From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:52:11 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 23:43:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yA8pc-0006IJ-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:43:12 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0b2101bd472b$83b0a680$1cf0ffd0@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:21:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Input on Plex Footswitch?? Resent-Message-ID: <"B89AZC.A.EFF.sRQ_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3734 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:43:12 -0800 X-UIDL: b2a7d27e1c7a8ec3dc069382869fece6 jack is on the back (towards audience, assuming there is one...), about 2 inches from the left side. kim >Can anyone who owns the 'Plex footswitch tell me where the input jack is >located? On the back? Back center, right or left? Sides? >Thanks for the info.. >Dave Eichenberger >********************************************************************* >'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:52:12 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 23:43:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yA8pj-0006JC-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:43:19 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:28:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Question for all you Klein guitarists (no loop content) Resent-Message-ID: <"nuH5SC.A.OGF.yRQ_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3735 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:43:19 -0800 X-UIDL: d0849ff633ab27019e75b10920924617 At 10:36 PM -0500 3/3/98, Marzzz wrote: >"strat-y," as opposed to something like a Gibson SG). Closer comparison of the >two guitars led me to notice that the distance from the pickups to the strings >on the Klein was enormous, on the order of nearly 1/2 inch!! A quick call to >Joe Barden later I raised the bridge pickup to his recommended height of >approx. 1/16" to 1/4" above the bottom of the strings (when fretted at the >24th fret). The guitar now sounds quite a bit warmer/louder, but the bridge >pickup is so high that it is nearly completely above the metal "collar!" > >Has anyone else noticed something like this? Is anyone else getting a thinner >vs warmer tone (does spruce make a difference?) How high are the rest of you >setting your pickups? Barden mentioned that he adjusted the Kleins at NAMM and >was surprised that Lorenzo was building the guitars with so much space for the >pickups..... Mine's like that too. I asked Lorenzo about it when I got it, and he muttered something about better sustain. (as if the guitar needs any more.) I've been meaning to experiement with raising them to warm the sound up a bit, but hadn't gotten around to it. I guess I've been sort of enjoying the thinness a bit since I've always been a humbucker kinda guy and the change was nice. Based on what you say though, I think I'll do the experimenting much sooner! thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:52:13 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 3 23:44:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yA8r3-0006UL-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:44:41 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980304013127.007d7160@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 01:31:27 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: RE: DP/4+ and DP/2 In-Reply-To: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E1FE6@migarexch01.maritz. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-NVDrC.A.HOF.rSQ_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3736 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:44:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 4f796b089984b3b0626d6a001175b40f Both the DP/4+ and the DP/2 employ seamless switching. The old DP/4 would mute the signal while it loaded a new program. I treat the DPs as a modular synthesizer. A little time spent exploring can yield some very unique and highly personal sounds. -Chuck Zwicky At 04:42 PM 3/3/98 -0600, you wrote: >Does the DP/2 have the same..... bypass switch that the DP/4 does? >I also found it a >little hard to get around the 4 discrete processors when searching for >just the "right" one . . . so what's your opinion of the "2"? > From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:52:25 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 03:48:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yACfQ-0002gG-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 03:48:56 -0800 Message-ID: <34FD20A5.B1902B33@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:36:37 +0100 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: please explain ring modulators References: <0009A3CA.----@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WhQ_X.A.rFC.D7T_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3740 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 03:48:56 -0800 X-UIDL: f5cc23659303596d82f4ee7ed1398926 Salut What are you doing with all your R M The one I have is in my Quadra vrb + and the only usable effect I've programmed is a sort of chorus ... the other settings I tried came out like weird noizes would you share to the world some of your uses ,routings, type of sounds, without beeing too specific of one model. thanks for your enlightment A plus Claude From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:52:27 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 03:49:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yACfU-0002gt-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 03:49:00 -0800 Message-ID: <34FD2B21.D1C9DCD9@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:21:21 +0100 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Guitar thru analog synth filters References: <199802042148.NAA27917@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XEODsD.A.rGC.J7T_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3741 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 03:49:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 6365908633180208f33d88fb80cccf29 Chers amis This is the way to wake up those sometimes to sleepy loops I'm using a Waldorf 4 pole filter box which is in short an analog synth without the sound generating part vco (thats the stage you hit when you use those audio inputs in the moog or any good analog synth) what's left is a vca, vcf, envellopes, lfo, panner, and a lot of modulation source and targets.. my use of it is mostly by preparing different types of modulation and triggers midi controler loops that i finally feed to a old alesis mmt 8 sequencer some descriptions (heres my global english try ) -16/th note choping of my playing (chords, finger picking, E bow....) with a random pan position of every 16th note (1 to 4 bars cycles) gives a great gamelan type music when you play repetitive material. -Random medium resonated filter rythms (you can even ask your drummer to create the grooves) sounds like a sequenced phaser -Sequenced wha wha (ala Zappa _ship ahoy_ on the shut up and play your guitar album) -Filter sweeps over x bars (remember you're playing locked to the sequencer) stop talking about your secrets says my gilfriend over my shoulder ;-) A+ Claude From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:53:00 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 07:38:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAGFU-0001b6-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:38:24 -0800 Message-ID: <34FD2FD8.7B51@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:41:28 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fw: Where to find a Jamman References: <01ba01bd477e$e40c3aa0$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_1ioFD.A.LIB.uSX_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3748 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:38:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 613a183b4751a246187d7dae5f79c11e Mark Kata wrote: > > Try the classified ads in Harmony-Central. And pray. Trevor From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:52:16 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 01:46:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAAl5-0004yW-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 01:46:39 -0800 Message-ID: <34FD303B.3A51245B@infobiogen.fr> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:43:10 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #89 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qGGGWD.A.beE.BKS_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3738 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 01:46:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 95245081797b8034ad7e00e592631cc9 h That is the first time I see somone usinfg a straight 5th tuning.. And it is funny by the same way we choosed exctly the same tuning (starting on a low A). Quite astonishing to me (although I guess due to string tension it would be the best compromise...) Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:07:38 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 10:02:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAIUk-0001zN-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:02:18 -0800 X-Sender: breakz@pop.hom.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:58:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: breakz@hom.net (David Ferguson) Subject: Re: please explain ring modulators Resent-Message-ID: <"y7Xm3B.A.MHB.wWZ_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3755 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:02:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 6a7af703d1fd7c9c6973a893a001d965 a real ring modulator takes two waveforms and multiplies them together and divides by two giving strange inharmonic overtones daniel From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:07:39 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 10:12:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAIe9-0003FE-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:12:01 -0800 X-Sender: breakz@pop.hom.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:08:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: breakz@hom.net (David Ferguson) Subject: Re: Guitar thru analog synth filters Resent-Message-ID: <"CHR2VB.A.XTC.DgZ_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3756 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:12:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 0240e81f47bbf17563ec606dbeb665b5 (thats the stage you hit when you >use those audio inputs in the moog or any good analog synth) actually the VCO is not the point where the audio inputs send the sound on my MiniMoog and 99% of all other analog synths sound hits a mixer-to-vcf or straight to the Vcf as may be the case Daniel From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:52:32 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 04:20:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAD9t-00049I-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 04:20:25 -0800 From: KelRey Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:16:53 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: DP/4+ and DP/2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"GDkaSD.A.2qD.6ZU_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3742 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 04:20:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 5e43ba736935fabce2c6420c03bd9c46 In a message dated 3/4/98 1:42:26 AM, you wrote: <> Hi Chuck, How does the DP Pro compare with the DP4+ and DP2? Thanks, Kelly From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:52:52 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 05:50:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAEYZ-0000rR-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 05:49:59 -0800 From: Texture444 Message-ID: <19f88fd.34fd5a18@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:41:41 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: chris cho's torn queries Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"__6UM.A.Oh.itV_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3743 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 05:49:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 7419f5436ac639c1d0896d100ac80f7d chris, not too much time on my hands, so i'll be uncharacteristically brief: >1. What device creates the lush "synthy" sounds that swell up (seemingly) >in proportion to the intensity of your guitar playing, and how do you >trigger it? (I did not see any midi pickups on your guitar). lexicon pcm 80. that night, i used an octave up/reverb kinda program (among others); some sections of the patch are sensitive to input levels, & the "oct. up"-bit is pretty delayed. >2. What do you control with the (peavey, i think) midi faders? peavey faders were triggering samples on a roland s-760; i used just four samples, on sunday- the samples were of my own playing/looping. >3. What was generating the rhythms that you seemed to have pre-recorded? >were they samples? sequences? one rhythm was a triggered sample; the others were built outta noise/notes (into loops), while you weren't looking (ie: guitar & looper outputs muted, during construction). >4. What was happening when you kept pressing the button on the old >(Lexicon?) unit? I could only see the LED numbers changing, but could not >tell what the sonic result was. i was changing the pitch/time of the looper while entering notes/noises: harder to explain a sound like that than it is to *hear* it! burbling/bubbling/squeaking/squanking effect..... anyway. thanks for showing up! best, dt From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:52:54 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 06:20:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAF2O-00034g-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 06:20:48 -0800 From: Texture444 Message-ID: <9ad84d86.34fd6254@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:16:50 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: some quick oud stuff (off looptopix) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"za7bMB.A.JlC.WKW_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3744 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 06:20:48 -0800 X-UIDL: adf9ea16fea12f5b51fbc67f63196c9c just because there's a minute remaining, afore i go: paolo said: >After the show, I couldn't help but mess around with one of the (acoustic) >ouds hanging on the wall. The traditional oud design is an interesting take >on fretless instrument design; instead of having a longer neck like a guitar >where notes on the higher regions of the neck would have extremely short >sustain, the neck is kept short so that the only notes available are the >ones that can have some decent sustain (that is, the area of the fingerboard >within 6-8 inches of the oud's "nut"). It's as if you took a fretless >acoustic guitar and expanded the body so that it swallows up half the neck >so that the non-sustaining notes higher up on the neck are gone and you are >left with the ones with decent sustain. actually, the scale-length of the instrument is more about the subtleties of micro-tonal playing (& embellishments/adornments) and a limited note-range than it is about sustain. in fact, mr. najarian -luthier extraordinaire, in anaheim hills- installed some foam rubber under the lower strings of my electric oud in order to dampen them & come closer to the traditional armenian/lebanese "ideal". also: the oud that was hanging on the wall @ mccabe's was pretty lousy (& *certainly not worth what they were asking for it!*) & far from any "correct" tuning. joe buck said: >I dunno. The holy grail of tone in electric large bowled string >instruments (saz,oud,laouto,etc) has yet to match the complexity of the >acoustic ones. I think this partially because few people seem to care, >or treat them as guitars. probably, "few people seem to care". me, *i* prefer to play the acoustic: am totally in love w/the instrument. but, it's quite difficult to amplify/loop inna "live" setting (& *so* hard to travel with)! that being said: i bought viken najarian's electric oud -last thursday- precisely because he seems to be one of the premier acoustic oud- luthiers in the usa, and 'cause he actually *designed* an electric instrument, rather than putting a crappy (and/or 'top-deadening') pickup on a nice oud. right up, dt From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:52:56 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 07:04:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAFj6-0006DM-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:04:56 -0800 Message-ID: <34FD6CD9.3F2CB60B@sencoinc.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 09:01:45 -0600 From: Jeff Robert Reply-To: jrobert@sencoinc.com Organization: Senco, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Where to find a Jamman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZrtLXD.A.QeF.SzW_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3745 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:04:56 -0800 X-UIDL: e6a70ae03b4d2b13db1905b186b33226 Does anyone know where I can buy a JAMMAN (used or new)? Jeff jrobert@sencoinc.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:52:57 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 07:09:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAFnt-0006oa-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:09:53 -0800 Message-ID: <01ba01bd477e$e40c3aa0$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Fw: Where to find a Jamman Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:04:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"4gzthC.A.m_F.x3W_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3746 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:09:53 -0800 X-UIDL: d97407200bf4f52a27ff62b3ac3b5742 Try the classified ads in Harmony-Central. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Robert To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 10:04 AM Subject: Where to find a Jamman >Does anyone know where I can buy a JAMMAN (used or new)? > >Jeff >jrobert@sencoinc.com > > > From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:52:59 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 07:15:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAFtd-0007VQ-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:15:49 -0800 Message-ID: <004e01bd477f$57ce52c0$d06703cf@rjiredff> From: "Jonathan Brainin" To: Subject: Re: Guitar stuff! Stick stuff! Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:08:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"z5S0oB.A.BrG.g9W_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3747 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:15:49 -0800 X-UIDL: dd8a205159e744f5975f859923a409fe What is the advantage of the minor 3rd interval between the second and first strings in the crafty tuning? Mostly a readily available 7th chord by barreing the first three strings. What was the original reason for the minor third between those two strings? Primarily the ability to string the instrument without breaking the fist string every time. On an acoustic guitar, the need to balance volume with desired tuning demanded this compromise. The reecommended string set for acoustics using Crafty tuning has a .011 for the first string. The sixth string is a .058 in. The sixth string is a function of two separate factors. One, it does not seem that the bridge on an Ovation acoustic guitar will readily accept strings larger than .058 in. Second, if one was to use, say, a .064 the increased tension will likely cause excess stress on the guitar top causing the top to distort. (This I found from--brief--experience.) With an electric guitar and a bridge that can handle a very wide range of string gauges as well as tensions, it seems obvious that an all 5th's tuning can be achieved. Can one get "big jazz tone" out of a Stick or similar touchboard style instrument? I can't vouch for the Stick, but I know this can be done on a Warr guitar. I've studied with Frank Jolliffe, and he is a monster jazz tapper who can definitely get that "big jazz tone". Of course, a lot of the tonal aspect of a tapping instrument is derived from the choice of amplification and processing, but it is pretty darned easy to get a Warr to do that big ole jazz box thang. (I think a Stick could do the same thing with the correct (heavier) guage strings.) -----Original Message----- From: Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 5:03 AM Subject: Guitar stuff! Stick stuff! >None of this is concerned with looping, so I'm getting it out of the way in >one go. > >First, guitars: > >On a related subject, what _is_ the advantage of that non-5th interval on >the top strings on New Standard Tuning? > >Finally, sticks: > >I've been facinated with the Stick for yearsnyears, principally because of >the ability to play guitar+bass ranges together (or get in on that big >piano vibe!). The one thing that concerns me is the tone of tapped notes, >especially in the melody range. I've tried just tapping on my guitar, and >the tone is kinda lifeless and thin (and, I suppose, attack-free). Is it >just me? Is this something that can be improved with technique, or is it >just part of the instrument? Has anyone ever managed to get big jazz tone >out of a Stick or similar touchboard-style instrument? > >Michael From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:53:18 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 08:17:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAGqj-0005M5-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:16:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199803041607.JAA06289@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Stick stuff Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:02:54 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TgkqDD.A.JyD.jwX_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3749 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:16:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 61844724cb582d2d40aa5a6304d1d4a4 Doctor Hughes writes: > Finally, sticks: > I've been facinated with the Stick for yearsnyears, principally because of > the ability to play guitar+bass ranges together (or get in on that big > piano vibe!). The one thing that concerns me is the tone of tapped notes, > especially in the melody range. I've tried just tapping on my guitar, and > the tone is kinda lifeless and thin (and, I suppose, attack-free). Is it > just me? Is this something that can be improved with technique, or is it > just part of the instrument? Has anyone ever managed to get big jazz tone > out of a Stick or similar touchboard-style instrument? Two-handed tapping on a guitar sounds pretty awful IMFO, even if you are really proficient at it (like Stanley Jordan.) The tone on a Chapman Stick or Warr Guitar is quite different from that (and the tone between those two instruments is quite different.) The single biggest factor is a combination of scale length (they're long) and string tension (they're lower than that of a guitar). Rest assured that touch-style instruments can produce a HUGE amount of really rich, detailed tone. If you're interested, drop me a private e-mail and we can talk about this more. There's also a Stick player/dealer in London named Jim Lampi whom you could contact for more accessible information than I can provide at this distance (i.e., you can't really come over and play my Warr Guitar--I mean, you'd be welcome to, but Jim is a more practical option since there's less of the Atlantic Ocean between you): Jim Lampi Iguana Records 9 Mulberry Way, Barkingside, Essex England IG6 1ET TEL: & FAX: 0181 5514557 JLampi@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlampi/ Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:53:25 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 09:15:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAHl0-0004AX-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:15:02 -0800 Message-ID: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F581@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Looper's Delight Subject: two-handed tapping on guitar Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:07:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"00Is4B.A.hOD.KrY_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3752 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:15:02 -0800 X-UIDL: a9c67116b799f88ae04dc95dab68d3e0 On the 2-handed guitar tapping thread, two things. First -- The first time I saw this done was at a David Torn show in Cambridge, MA w/Bruford and (I think) Mark Isham - back in 1988(?). Great show. Very inspirational, I went home and came up with a "piece" based on the idea. Neato stuff. Second - there a simply stunning musician in Boston (brother of Helium's Mary Timony) who plays two handed tapping style guitar. He sits on a chair, places the guitar UPSIDE DOWN so the body/pick-up's are over his shoulder and plays chords and melodies simultaneously. I first saw him in Dublin. He does shows no and again with his sister (Mary Timoney). Does anyone know this guys full name or if he has recorded anything? Over and out. David From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:53:28 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 09:22:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAHsJ-000596-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:22:35 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980304181420.00b4dc24@pop.stud.ntnu.no> X-Sender: eriklj@pop.stud.ntnu.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:14:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: eriklj@stud.ntnu.no Subject: Re: ring modulators In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19980227223915.34e76136@pop.usaor.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"U3iKXB.A.t2D.8vY_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3753 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:22:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 62e7a4f1bb39cff6ba82c01529f62082 At 17:39 27.02.98 -0500, you wrote: >hello, > >i was wondering if any of you know where i can obtain a ring modulator. >(preferably a stomp box version.) i know that paia have kits, but >unfortunately i am not mechanically inclined. hope that some of you can help. > >thank you, > >michael > There is this guy in Australia that makes a ring modulator with the analog multiplier chip approach (a better aproach than the one used in the Paia kit. This ring mod is horrible in my opinion). It has one input and an internal oscillator with a couple of controls. It sells for something like $160. His company is called Frostwave, and I will try to remember where I put his adress if you are interested. Sincirely, Erik Ljones (Norway) From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:53:29 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 09:40:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAI9b-0007A6-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:40:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:27:09 -0800 Message-ID: <0009C3D1.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: please explain ring modulators To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com, "c.voit" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"EMn0rB.A.zIG.jDZ_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3754 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:40:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 959ea5228d4791e3100f2bff6233fe0a Hello Claude, In many cases, weird noise is the point with ring modulators. Although when blended with the dry guitar signal in parallel, it can inject rather interesting distortion like qualities. John McGlaughlin uses it in some of his solos. I believe the recent recording of a Hendrix song with Sting uses this approach. RM's make great robot like sounds. Any other RM users out there with other possibilities? -Miko ------------------------------------------- Salut What are you doing with all your R M The one I have is in my Quadra vrb + and the only usable effect I've programmed is a sort of chorus ... the other settings I tried came out like weird noizes would you share to the world some of your uses ,routings, type of sounds, without beeing too specific of one model. thanks for your enlightment A plus Claude From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:38 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 16:50:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAOrJ-0002uR-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:50:01 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E1FEC@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: DP/4+ and DP/2 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:30:54 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"RDQEPB.A.ERB.TPf_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3777 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:50:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 91d3eeb84346dd4771add1d83f8e3ed2 > >< >The old DP/4 would mute the signal while it loaded a new program. > > > >I treat the DPs as a modular synthesizer. > >A little time spent exploring can yield some very unique and highly > >personal sounds. > > > >-Chuck Zwicky>> > > > That's good news about the switching. Thanks for all the good information. From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:07:44 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 10:33:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAIyv-0005p8-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:33:29 -0800 Message-Id: <98Mar4.132459est.18839@thicket.arbortext.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:18:05 -0500 From: David White Reply-To: dwhite@arbortext.com Organization: Arbortext Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: please explain ring modulators References: <0009C3D1.----@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"koGMo.A.utE.9zZ_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3757 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:33:29 -0800 X-UIDL: bd7c73c1112c3e1bc6170fc3ae120e74 RMs can make excellent Bell sounds, just right for that ambient cover of ACDC's "Hell's Bells." I have a Boss GT5 and it has a nice selection of RMs and controls. Everything from Telephones to Church Bells (well, almost - close enough for a guitar as source). d/-\\/e Mike Biffle wrote: > Hello Claude, > > In many cases, weird noise is the point with ring modulators. Although when > blended with the dry guitar signal in parallel, it can inject rather interesting > distortion like qualities. John McGlaughlin uses it in some of his solos. I > believe the recent recording of a Hendrix song with Sting uses this approach. > > RM's make great robot like sounds. > > Any other RM users out there with other possibilities? > > -Miko > > ------------------------------------------- > > Salut > > What are you doing with all your R M > > The one I have is in my Quadra vrb + and the only usable effect I've > programmed is a sort of chorus ... > the other settings I tried came out like weird noizes > > would you share to the world some of your uses ,routings, type of > sounds, without beeing too specific of one model. > > thanks for your enlightment > > A plus > > Claude From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:07:47 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 10:47:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAJCa-0007V7-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:47:36 -0800 Message-Id: <199803041833.LAA07259@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: please explain ring modulators Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:28:05 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bEeApB.A.EMG.ZAa_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3758 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:47:36 -0800 X-UIDL: cd36d154dccb4379e65544810c8452fd daniel writes: > a real ring modulator takes two waveforms and multiplies them together and > divides by two giving strange inharmonic overtones Eh? If I have two garden-variety sine waves (of the sort I might make with a synthesizer by plunking around in the middle of the keyboard) one at 440Hz and the other at 200Hz, and I multiply them together I get 88,000Hz. Dividing that by two gives 44,000Hz. That won't sound like much to us, but it might make the cat sick. A ring modulator, in the signal processing definition, is a sum-and-difference device where an input signal's frequency (say, an A440Hz) is added to and subtracted from an internal oscillator's frequency (say, 200Hz), and the sum and difference are output as two tones (in this case, 640Hz and 240Hz). (The name, by the way, comes from the arrangement of diodes in the analog circuit--I built one years ago from plans in Craig Anderton's book "Electronic Projects For Musicians" and it was a gas!). Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA ---------- From: David Ferguson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: please explain ring modulators Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 03:58 daniel From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:07:48 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 10:52:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAJH2-0000Im-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:52:12 -0800 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: <619a31fc.34fda01f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:40:29 EST To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: pittsburgh guitar show Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"PClrg.A.YZG.ACa_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3759 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:52:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 11eff160a73aca322e7f4d362a12397a anyone going to the pittsburgh guitar show on sunday march 8 please stop by the boomerang booth and say hello. have a good one . michael From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:22 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 15:49:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yANuQ-0003U6-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:49:10 -0800 Message-ID: <34FDA084.7F19@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:42:12 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: slagging (was Re: Stick stuff) References: <2.2.32.19980304232901.00ea5220@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jXgy3.A.SxB.LWe_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3773 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:49:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 9f7b4073cd3d29dbb23c1a29800d6c90 > he was the sort of player who exerts powerful anti-spouse forces on > the audience, causing serious relationship conflicts among all couples > present. Is there any other kind? Of all of the stunningly beautiful, completely liberated, PhD toting, Kafka reading, sexually depraved women I have gone out with, I am hard pressed to find any musical common ground. Trevor From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:07:50 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 11:05:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAJTa-00020v-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:05:10 -0800 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:54:50 EST To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: instant messages may be usefull Content-type: text/plain X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"3VB3MB.A.3z.QPa_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3761 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:05:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 64d627b88a853398c503696948f9b48c You're invited to try AOLâs Instant Messenger (TM) service! Itâs the latest in Internet Communication. Just go to http://www.newaol.com/aim and download the software for FREE! Once youâve signed up for AOLâs Instant Messenger service you get your own personalized screen name! 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Thu Mar 05 02:07:49 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 11:04:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAJSy-0001vq-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:04:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199803041851.KAA09074@sonic.sonic.com> Subject: Re: rocktron's new pc preamp Date: Wed, 4 Mar 98 10:58:43 -0800 x-sender: andy_wolpert@pop.sonic.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Andy Wolpert To: , "NEMOGUIT@aol.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"lYFkLD.A.wv.wOa_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3760 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:04:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 0c82b9a979202d1be346ab344b652bc0 > just ran across this on harmony-central What does this mean? Is there more information at a place called "harmony-central"? __ _/\_ / \___/ \______ \ Andy Wolpert \__ | Sonic Solutions \ / awolpert@sonic.com / | (415) 893-8043 / \___ __ ___/ \__/ \_____/ From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:07:53 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 11:21:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAJjd-00048n-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:21:45 -0800 From: KRosser414 Message-ID: <5f6a23c2.34fda4c3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:00:17 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Stick stuff Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZUmx-D.A.76C.mfa_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3763 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:21:45 -0800 X-UIDL: b11cdd364bac7d57af5cdba775ddb901 >I've been facinated with the Stick for yearsnyears, principally because of >the ability to play guitar+bass ranges together (or get in on that big >piano vibe!). The one thing that concerns me is the tone of tapped notes, >especially in the melody range. I've tried just tapping on my guitar, and >the tone is kinda lifeless and thin (and, I suppose, attack-free). Is it >just me? Is this something that can be improved with technique, or is it >just part of the instrument? It's one of the biggest problems I have listening to Stanley Jordan, I just can't get past that sound (and once I do, I'm not bowled over by his aesthetic choices either). I know there are other players like Jennifer Batten that do two-hand tapping with all eight fingers that use distortion to beef up the 'body' of the notes (as well as to increase the sensitivity, presumably) but I've never heard her do it so I can't vouch for the results. > Has anyone ever managed to get big jazz tone >out of a Stick or similar touchboard-style instrument? Or, I've got another wonder about the Stick that's puzzled me for a while: why, with this great potential of creating harmonic textures unavailable on guitar or bass alone, does virtually every player I've heard play 'white key' music on it? Are there any Stick players that really delve into 20th century chromatic or modern jazz harmony on the thing? I've heard many players claim to play jazz on it but their playing was totally diatonic. I dig a lot of what Tony Levin does on it, like these big weird, 'rubbery' bass lines, but man I'd love to hear someone with Richie Beirach or Herbie Hancock's harmonic sophistication really dig into the contrapuntal possibilities. Can it be done? Ken R From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:07:52 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 11:13:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAJbi-00035x-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:13:34 -0800 Message-ID: <005f01bd47a0$2fb6f1e0$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: Subject: Re: rocktron's new pc preamp Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:02:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"MEQtBC.A.d4B.iXa_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3762 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:13:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 90f4705ec2192c7ba586265181b40c61 Andy, Go to http://www.harmony-central.com they have all sorts of information about music. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com -----Original Message----- From: Andy Wolpert To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; NEMOGUIT@aol.com Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 2:01 PM Subject: Re: rocktron's new pc preamp >> just ran across this on harmony-central > >What does this mean? >Is there more information at a place called "harmony-central"? > > > __ _/\_ > / \___/ \______ > \ Andy Wolpert \__ > | Sonic Solutions \ > / awolpert@sonic.com / > | (415) 893-8043 / > \___ __ ___/ > \__/ \_____/ > > > > From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:07:55 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 11:36:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAJxt-0005zV-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:36:29 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980304192738.00a89fcc@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:27:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: instant messages may be usefull Resent-Message-ID: <"HAAFMC.A.T0E.nua_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3764 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:36:29 -0800 X-UIDL: ba5a2d8a33d235458a3e13e3ef2af996 At 01:54 PM 3/4/98 EST, you wrote: >You're invited to try AOL's Instant Messenger (TM) service! It's the latest in please do not ever, ever, EVER post stuff like this to the Looper's Delight list, or any list for that matter. It's considered extremely rude by the usual standards of netiquette. The same holds true for anything about virus warnings, impending internet disasters, conspiracies of any sort, government or otherwise, little Timmy's heart/cancer/lost dog, etc. thanks, kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:52:17 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 02:03:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAB1I-0005oJ-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 02:03:24 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980304114243.20578838@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:42:43 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Guitar stuff! Stick stuff! In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980303100207.007b89f0@wavefront.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19980302014637.007bd670@wavefront.com> <339bd332.34fa124c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9KSEK.A.6NF.bZS_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3739 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 02:03:24 -0800 X-UIDL: a3723c2044c839d695722f6bf9aa4015 None of this is concerned with looping, so I'm getting it out of the way in one go. First, guitars: Chuck: >In my solo loop performances I use a 1984 Steinberger GL-2 guitar (with a >fixed bridge!). I tune the guitar in straight 5ths: A E B F# C# G#. >This gives me nearly a five octave range from the open A to the G# at >the 24th fret. I alternate between straight 4ths (EADGCF) and straight 5ths (anywhere between FCGDAE and GDAEBGb). Kudos on the G# - are you using .008s on top? And what did Lenny Breau use for his high A? Olivier: >That is the first time I see somone usinfg a straight 5th tuning.. And >it is funny by the same way we choosed exctly the same tuning (starting >on a low A). Quite astonishing to me (although I guess due to string >tension it would be the best compromise...) ...or use bass strings (like a .065 for low F) On a related subject, what _is_ the advantage of that non-5th interval on the top strings on New Standard Tuning? Marshall: > When I plugged the Klein back in, it sounded actually THIN, and this is > after several months of not really noticing this aspect of its tone Thin tone? Is this a possible.... criticism of Klein guitars?!?!?! CRISIS!! CRISIS!! DANGER WILL ROBINSON! Sorry, but you Klein users seem so happy that the rest of us are bound to get jealous... >Has anyone else noticed something like this? Is anyone else getting a thinner >vs warmer tone (does spruce make a difference?) How high are the rest of you >setting your pickups? Barden mentioned that he adjusted the Kleins at NAMM and >was surprised that Lorenzo was building the guitars with so much space for the >pickups..... Kim: >Mine's like that too. I asked Lorenzo about it when I got it, and he >muttered something about better sustain. (as if the guitar needs any more.) Could be that he's concerned the magnets interfere with the strings. Allan Holdsworth cites this as the reason he only uses single-pu guitars. Myself, I've never noticed any problems. >I've been meaning to experiement with raising them to warm the sound up a >bit, but hadn't gotten around to it. I guess I've been sort of enjoying the >thinness a bit since I've always been a humbucker kinda guy and the change >was nice. Dammit! Just when I was hoping for that note of dissent.... Finally, sticks: I've been facinated with the Stick for yearsnyears, principally because of the ability to play guitar+bass ranges together (or get in on that big piano vibe!). The one thing that concerns me is the tone of tapped notes, especially in the melody range. I've tried just tapping on my guitar, and the tone is kinda lifeless and thin (and, I suppose, attack-free). Is it just me? Is this something that can be improved with technique, or is it just part of the instrument? Has anyone ever managed to get big jazz tone out of a Stick or similar touchboard-style instrument? Michael From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:07:57 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 11:55:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAKG6-0000b8-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:55:18 -0800 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: <67613814.34fdaf99@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:46:31 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: instant messages may be usefull Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"oUyq2.A.b9G.g_a_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3765 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:55:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 80538699cccec80aee4ba1426db4aa34 most humble apologies to one and all ,sorry this was done out of ignorance, there was no hidden agenda on my part i just thought it might be useful. i am new to all of this. once again sorry. michael From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:07:58 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 12:05:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAKPu-0001u2-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:05:26 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980304195504.00ab5744@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:55:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Stick stuff Resent-Message-ID: <"nO3Y4B.A.6y.ZIb_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3766 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:05:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 31b828ae6828bba3efb80c8d17ed7a3f At 02:00 PM 3/4/98 EST, KRosser414 wrote: >>I've been facinated with the Stick for yearsnyears, principally because of >>the ability to play guitar+bass ranges together (or get in on that big >>piano vibe!). The one thing that concerns me is the tone of tapped notes, >>especially in the melody range. I've tried just tapping on my guitar, and >>the tone is kinda lifeless and thin (and, I suppose, attack-free). Is it >>just me? Is this something that can be improved with technique, or is it >>just part of the instrument? > >It's one of the biggest problems I have listening to Stanley Jordan, I just >can't get past that sound (and once I do, I'm not bowled over by his aesthetic >choices either). I know there are other players like Jennifer Batten that do >two-hand tapping with all eight fingers that use distortion to beef up the >'body' of the notes (as well as to increase the sensitivity, presumably) but >I've never heard her do it so I can't vouch for the results. I think Stanley Jordan is a really bad example for this. IMHO, he gets the worst guitar tone I've ever heard in my life, and it has nothing to with the tapping. It just sounds lousy. That coupled with his tendancy to totally overplay and drag out the ending solo of a tune to the point where it's longer than the all the rest of the tune, makes him really, really hard to listen to. I saw him play live once, and was ready to walk out during the second number. His tone literally made my ears hurt. I only stuck it out because the next group was a trio with Johann Hellborg and Shawn Lane. They were so boring and overplayed so much that I did walk out during the second number....Herbie Hancock was playing the same night, and that was infinitely more listenable.... wondering why I suddenly felt compelled to slag stanley jordan, kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:38 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 17:01:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAP2a-0004Ob-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:01:40 -0800 Message-ID: <34FDB285.3C71@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:59:01 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar stuff! Stick stuff! References: <199803042336.PAA22207@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QiAqR.A.-ED.ldf_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3778 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:01:40 -0800 X-UIDL: fd5ccf69b35c0b2aaef5cc8b30425963 Paolo Valladolid wrote: > No doubt technique is the biggest factor in Stick tone. Or guitar for that matter. Don't if you girls have heard this from me before, but my tone is markedly similar. Quite a few people have sat around listening to me, scratching their heads (a common reaction, I'm afraid) and said (amongst general laughter, scorn, the dreaded 'That's really great, but it's not what we're really looking for...'), 'How do you make a Les Paul sound like a telecaster. It's all in the fingers, friends. Amps and guitars are best chosen for comfort and fine tuning your tone, IMHO. Trevor From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:37 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 16:48:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAOpe-0002gz-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:48:18 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E1FEE@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Stick stuff Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:08:13 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"ObZQ_B.A.lHB.HOf_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3776 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:48:18 -0800 X-UIDL: f59f0576f948fe7d49ea2e362e6616f0 > wondering why I suddenly felt compelled to slag stanley jordan, > kim > Bad renditions of Beatles' tunes? From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:04 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 12:29:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAKnB-0004fD-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:29:29 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980304122228.00a0e440@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:22:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: slagging (was Re: Stick stuff) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980304195504.00ab5744@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_OCqd.A.EsD.Ohb_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3767 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:29:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 888b57a06a3943f2d29440d49f55d002 Forget about Jordan - you just slagged Hellborg and Lane! yeeesh... At 11:55 AM 3/4/98 -0800, Kim wrote: >I think Stanley Jordan is a really bad example for this. IMHO, he gets the >worst guitar tone I've ever heard in my life, and it has nothing to with the >tapping. It just sounds lousy. That coupled with his tendancy to totally >overplay and drag out the ending solo of a tune to the point where it's >longer than the all the rest of the tune, makes him really, really hard to >listen to. I saw him play live once, and was ready to walk out during the >second number. His tone literally made my ears hurt. I only stuck it out >because the next group was a trio with Johann Hellborg and Shawn Lane. They >were so boring and overplayed so much that I did walk out during the second >number....Herbie Hancock was playing the same night, and that was infinitely >more listenable.... > >wondering why I suddenly felt compelled to slag stanley jordan, From ???@??? Wed Mar 04 09:53:20 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 08:21:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAGua-0005t6-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:20:52 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980304160252.007ed6d0@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 16:02:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: RE: DP/4+ and DP/2 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bvIi_.A.lRE.P0X_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3751 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:20:52 -0800 X-UIDL: ef1155713212125114a9e632cb30c50b The DP/Pro was designed as a high-end studio processor. I am a recording engineer, and I helped them develop some amazing algos in the DP/Pro, feedback and feedforward comression, frequency selective de-essers, etc. Unfortunately, ensoniq discontinued the unit several months ago.... This is not a 'M.I.' processor per se, but has some great modulation delays in it. I'd love to find a second one... -Chuck Zwicky At 07:16 AM 3/4/98 EST, you wrote: > >In a message dated 3/4/98 1:42:26 AM, you wrote: > ><The old DP/4 would mute the signal while it loaded a new program. > >I treat the DPs as a modular synthesizer. >A little time spent exploring can yield some very unique and highly >personal sounds. > >-Chuck Zwicky>> > >Hi Chuck, > >How does the DP Pro compare with the DP4+ and DP2? > >Thanks, >Kelly > > > From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:09 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 14:18:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAMUP-0000nC-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:18:13 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: new kid on the block Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:07:51 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd47b9$f975a300$d6014382@hovard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01BD47C2.5B3A0B00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"OW6gc.A.mDH.vEd_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3768 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:18:13 -0800 X-UIDL: ccb7ae41a38ce85044de79364894e5e3
    Hi all , my name is Thomas W and I am  a 20 year old norwegian. I was
on the list a few months back and some of you might remember  me as "The
Tape Echo Boy That Didn`t Have a Looping Device- But Yearned and Wished to
Someday Own One."  After a while of hanging out on the list (sans looping
dev.) I got depressed and  unsubscribed. And within weeks of leaving the
list a Jamman AND a vortex fell  into my lap!!  
 
So , after puttering with
my two friends for a  while I decided to get back on the list and try to
get deeper into  them.    
 
So , here I am. Ready to spew out lame and simple
question that you got past years ago. Those of you who are thinking that
this is  just "false modesty" on my part should be warned;  I am an idiot
when it comes to technical stuff involving words like "program  change" ,
"DSP" , "bits n bytes" and so on....  To  illustrate:  
 I got the vortex
before christmas time last year and I still  haven`t got the footswithces
working!  I have figured I need a stereocable  to get them working. Is
this true?  Just a jack/jack stero  cable??   There , this is a typiacal
question you can expect  >from my part. If this will be a problem I hope
you can tell me now , coz once I  get warmed up I`ll probably explode in a
myriad of even sillier  questions.........:)    
 
Thanks in advance ,  Thomas W          Oslo ,  norway

BTW: Thanks , Kim , for all your help.  (I can`t even MAIL my silly questions right.:)) 
From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:10 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 14:18:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAMUg-0000pD-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:18:30 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199803042209.OAA21643@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Stick stuff To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:09:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5f6a23c2.34fda4c3@aol.com> from "KRosser414" at Mar 4, 98 02:00:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wk097.A.eGH.AFd_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3769 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:18:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 93efd1991186f08d39c0fbc1233bdc9b > It's one of the biggest problems I have listening to Stanley Jordan, I just > can't get past that sound (and once I do, I'm not bowled over by his aesthetic I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with the tone of a guitar when tapping techniques are applied to it. If the biggest factor in tone is your fingers, then the second biggest factor is the setup of the strings. Stick players have discovered that even the smallest changes in the setup make for huge differences in tone. His choices of amplification, effects, and other outboard devices of course are factors as well. > > Has anyone ever managed to get big jazz tone > >out of a Stick or similar touchboard-style instrument? > > Or, I've got another wonder about the Stick that's puzzled me for a while: > why, with this great potential of creating harmonic textures unavailable on > guitar or bass alone, does virtually every player I've heard play 'white key' > music on it? Are there any Stick players that really delve into 20th century > chromatic or modern jazz harmony on the thing? I've heard many players claim > to play jazz on it but their playing was totally diatonic. I dig a lot of > what Tony Levin does on it, like these big weird, 'rubbery' bass lines, but > man I'd love to hear someone with Richie Beirach or Herbie Hancock's harmonic > sophistication really dig into the contrapuntal possibilities. Can it be > done? Why not? Keep in mind the Stick is a very young instrument. It seems like a lot of players are more interested in using the instrument as a guitar-and-bass with one hand playing mostly bass lines and chord fragments and the other playing lead/melody lines and chords. In other words, the role of each hand is strictly defined. It's a lot like the early days of jazz piano when it was standard for the piano player to occupy his/her left hand with playing bass lines. When more players start playing with a bass player - thus freeing up that left hand to do other things - I think we will see a creative explosion in the Stick world. To somewhat get back on-topic, I will note that a buddy of mine took up the Stick because he eventually wants to use it as a sound source for looping. He likes the extended pitch range of the Stick. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:13 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 14:51:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAN0Q-0004PK-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:51:18 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980304174358.00841310@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jmax@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 17:43:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: John Maxwell Hobbs Subject: Digest version of the list In-Reply-To: <005f01bd47a0$2fb6f1e0$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dv8rZC.A.oTD._kd_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3770 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:51:18 -0800 X-UIDL: e5a5083b217222ede9e6fe74b88b44c6 It it possible to receive this list in a digest form? ------------------------------- John Maxwell Hobbs jmax@artswire.org http://www.artswire.org/~jmax Web Phases - an interactive, web-based composition http://www.artswire.org/~jmax/phaseframe.html From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:14 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 15:07:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yANFp-0006Gn-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:07:13 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980304225840.00e432c0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 14:58:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Digest version of the list Resent-Message-ID: <"Iv4YvB.A.89E.Hzd_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3771 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:07:13 -0800 X-UIDL: c51d8f8d1ba834dae67a50fe23744bd9 At 05:43 PM 3/4/98 -0500, you wrote: > >It it possible to receive this list in a digest form? > that's explained on the web site with the list info: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:56 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 20:08:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yARxB-0000lN-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:08:17 -0800 Message-ID: <34FDDF7A.362B@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 23:10:50 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sticking it to Stanley J References: <199803050334.WAA07161@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J1X6YC.A.ZU.aRi_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3786 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:08:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 2c4f4298d7056a066ffd3feca3247cbf andre wrote: > > It's funny - on a pindrop , this anti Stanley shitstorm started up (which i > don't have a problem with, being a first amendment absolutist) - but i can > only chuckle, thinking about that other famous guitarist, who is > reflexively defended here, from any possible criticisms, while i have yet > to see any quotes from Stanley dissing dozens of other guitarist and their > techniques & styles.....as That Guy has......sigh...nice guys finish > last..... I have been really trying not to bust out so publicly on SJ, for fear of generating bad karma, but I remember when I first experienced his, uh, talents. A friend of mine mother (this is back in '89 or so) rented a performance tape of his at the local video store. Ol' Ms. Minott was a pretty hip lady, and I had heard a lot of good things about this guy so I was fairly excited. Highlights: The duds: I don't know if he hired somebody to pick this stuff out for him, but his outfit looked like a combination of Mr. Rodgers and Micheal Jackson. He would play a short set, walk off stage, change his clothes, play another set, leave the stage, change his clothes, play the encore game (you know, when people say goodnight, walk off the stage, the lights stay out, the amps stay on) and come back on in another set of clothes. Each sillier then the last. Prince can do this. I don't know why, but I will pay money to see Prince change his clothes five time in a night (as long as he promises to play guitar) and will be happy. Especially if he is going to use his wah. Stanley can not. The tone: His midi guitar tone is even worse than his electric tone. Far worse. I have to stop myself now. I try not to say things like this because it makes me aware that Stanley Jordan doesn't care or spend time discussing my guitaring (harshly or otherwise) because, well, nobody cares. There I go, thinking those negative thoughts again. Someday, people will take enough notice of my music to spend some time ragging on it. Someday. Trevor From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:21 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 15:40:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yANlj-0002Kp-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:40:11 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980304232901.00ea5220@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 15:29:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: slagging (was Re: Stick stuff) Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"q2YvpD.A.j9.ePe_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3772 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:40:11 -0800 X-UIDL: d4b42197c716387b74927688b026f9e6 At 12:22 PM 3/4/98 -0800, Sean Echevarria wrote: >Forget about Jordan - you just slagged Hellborg and Lane! yeeesh... > sinking further into the off-topic slag-o-rama..... It's not to say they are bad musicians, just that I found them really boring at that show. It was one of those "look how fast I can play!" sort of performances at one of the concerts they have after the NAMM shows, and didn't have a lot of music to go along with the athletics. And as is typical of such shows, the audience was filled with young players who ate it up, staring rapturously at the wiggling fingers, and generally encouraging them to make it worse. I guess I was one of those finger analyzers once, but somehow I managed to outgrow the music-as-track-and-field-event stage at some point. Now it sort of puts me to sleep. I saw Johann Hellborg with John McLaughlin and Trilok Gurtu about 10 years ago, and thought Hellborg was wonderful then. (of course, I actually liked fusion in those days, so I don't know how far to trust my own judgement...:-) ) Maybe he just needs the right sort of inspiration around him to really shine. Lane, on the other hand, for all the hype he gets, really didn't seem to have very many interesting ideas in his improvisations. It was all sort of monotonous and sterile and very, very, very fast, with little or no personality or stage presence. Maybe he is better in other settings, but there he was the sort of player who exerts powerful anti-spouse forces on the audience, causing serious relationship conflicts among all couples present. Now, if he had been wearing a chicken bucket on his head and using an assortment of novelty items to pick with, and maybe mixing it up with some bad break dancing, I think I would have enjoyed it a little more. My girlfriend certainly would have stuck around for more than 3 seconds..... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:36 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 16:43:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAOlA-00026f-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:43:40 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199803042336.PAA22207@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Guitar stuff! Stick stuff! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:36:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19980304114243.20578838@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> from "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." at Mar 4, 98 11:42:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Yu63TD.A.nv.KLf_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3775 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:43:40 -0800 X-UIDL: b73aefe09c9fa239047fc764da292490 > I've been facinated with the Stick for yearsnyears, principally because of > the ability to play guitar+bass ranges together (or get in on that big > piano vibe!). The one thing that concerns me is the tone of tapped notes, > especially in the melody range. I've tried just tapping on my guitar, and > the tone is kinda lifeless and thin (and, I suppose, attack-free). Is it > just me? Is this something that can be improved with technique, or is it > just part of the instrument? Has anyone ever managed to get big jazz tone > out of a Stick or similar touchboard-style instrument? > > Michael No doubt technique is the biggest factor in Stick tone. After you've played a Stick for a while you will find that you can vary your tone depending on where you tap a note - specifically how close/far your tapping finger is to the fret. At one extreme is tapping directly on the fret, which results in the note being muted (an occasionally useful musical effect). Some Stick players have worked hard on dynamics by practicing playing softly with the amp turned up (works best on amps that can still sound clean when turned up). This way, when a note is tapped hard, there is a dramatic volume change vs. a softly tapped note. Keep in mind the Stick is not a guitar. Unless we are talking about an NS Stick (a whole 'nother animal), the Stick was not really designed to be plucked (though Stick players can and do insert plucking into their playing). So most of the time, the harmonic variation you can get with plucking technique is simply not there when you are tapping a note instead of plucking it. Stick players get around it by varying where they tap a note in relation to a fret as described above, taking advantage of the Stick's dynamic range, and using other techniques such as pulloffs and legato hammer-ons (which sound different from the "fingers as mallets" method which is another standard tapping technique). As for getting a jazz tone, besides technique there are other things that can be done. These include using Bartolini pickups or Lace Sensors instead of the standard Stick pickups, using a heavier gauge, choice of outboard preamplification/EQ, installing active electronics for the pickups, etc. I have not heard much of the Lace Sensors, but I tried a Warr Guitar equipped with Bartolini pickups and feel that the Bartolinis do a very good job of making a tapping instrument sound like an electric guitar and/or bass. The Warr Guitar I tried sounded like a Les Paul and a fretless bass in one instrument. A Stick similarly equipped with Bartolinis should sound very close. At least the Stick Bass I heard that was equipped with a Bartolini sounded just like the bass side of that Warr Guitar. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:33 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 16:25:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAOTl-0007hc-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:25:41 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980305001718.00e3dbb4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 16:17:18 -0800 To: nyfac2@nyfac.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: slagging (was Re: Stick stuff) Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"GqLsVC.A.mXG.R9e_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3774 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:25:41 -0800 X-UIDL: a040c27aacbd6ec3f0005c4ecf021205 At 06:42 PM 3/4/98 +0000, tbajus wrote: >> he was the sort of player who exerts powerful anti-spouse forces on >> the audience, causing serious relationship conflicts among all couples >> present. > >Is there any other kind? Of all of the stunningly beautiful, completely >liberated, PhD toting, Kafka reading, sexually depraved women I have >gone out with, I am hard pressed to find any musical common ground. > Ah. You must come to realize that this is all completely your problem and you must adapt. My advice is: Learn to enjoy Tori Amos. When you can sit through 6 Tori shows in a row without complaining, you will have attained a higher level of relationship success. It's not too hard, you just have to ignore the lyrics and take notice of the nice improvisational interplay she has between piano and vocal melody. The light show is usually pretty good, too. Once you have managed this, you will have some chance of convincing an SO to attend concerts of your favorite avant-loop artist, and she might even pretend to enjoy it. Of course, if your girlfriend is a huge Yanni fan, there may be no hope. Good luck, kim (if you think my relationship advice is worth anything, I've got some great investment opportunities I'd like to discuss with you....) ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:41 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 17:20:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAPKp-0006oR-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:20:31 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E1FF3@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: slagging (was Re: Stick stuff) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:34:35 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"4TsncC.A.f7E.5rf_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3781 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:20:31 -0800 X-UIDL: ec0752cc84339146fe38387160340a39 Well, I used to think that it was drag that my wife doesn't like Coltrane, but after hearing the Tori Amos/Yanni scenarios being bandied about, I guess I'll be happy that she likes Miles, Flamenco, Nusrat Fatah Ali Khan and Bach Cello Suites . . . From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:39 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 17:15:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAPFj-00068w-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:15:15 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980305005047.00d93e00@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 16:50:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Stick stuff Cc: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Resent-Message-ID: <"29snEC.A.taE.Mof_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3779 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:15:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 4804f36c999e4386ab8adbf0f2d83050 At 02:08 PM 3/4/98 -0600, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > > >> wondering why I suddenly felt compelled to slag stanley jordan, >> kim >> >Bad renditions of Beatles' tunes? > No, I remember now, it was his "Stairway to Heaven" interpretation. I had blocked that memory so that I wouldn't have to suffer the pain of it any longer. There should be laws about that sort of thing. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:40 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 17:18:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAPIP-0006Uh-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:18:01 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:03:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Stick stuff Resent-Message-ID: <"nTfYHB.A.BmE.bpf_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3780 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:18:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 4fbf5619447303fee042f25885cafea7 Kim Flint wrote: >wondering why I suddenly felt compelled to slag stanley jordan, at the record store I used to work at, we used his "arrangement" of Ravel's Bolero as one of our supreme examples af really bad music. In about 12 minutes, he went through everything including a cheesy synth orchestra, bad psuedo samba, bad ambient, slick fake hip hop and reggae, and speed metal, all with a complete lack of anything to say. Oh, and all played with that wonderful tone. Really, you've gotta hear this thing, it is so fabulously rotten. Should be easy to find used. Now I just know I'm going to get flamed by someone who loves Jordan... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:46 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 18:14:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAQAZ-0005Ct-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:13:59 -0800 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:14:27 -0800 (PST) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <199803050114.RAA04674@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stick stuff Resent-Message-ID: <"DPhQfD.A.SVE.Mlg_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3783 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:13:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 109d99083e84d46b624f5565b9bc4748 Y'all have no idea how glad I am to find that I'm not out there all alone with regards to Jordan. From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:43 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 17:38:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAPcE-0001EN-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:38:30 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199803050116.RAA22990@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Guitar stuff! Stick stuff! To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:16:55 -0800 (PST) Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <34FDB285.3C71@nyfac.com> from "tbajus" at Mar 4, 98 07:59:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rPZGVC.A.2c.3Cg_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3782 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:38:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 88b5ecd68a84537b03f04e250f3b5bdd Right on, Trevor! I should add that having heard a number of Stick players I feel each player has his own tone even though most of them use the standard Stick pickups. I've been to a couple of Stick Night gatherings where everybody played through the same amplification system and still sounded different from one another. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:46 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 18:37:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAQXL-0007Sx-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:37:31 -0800 X-From_:Ruffass@aol.com Wed Mar 04 18:37:28 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAQXH-0007SB-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:37:27 -0800 Received: from (imo18.mx.aol.com) [198.81.17.40] by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAQRU-0002bx-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:31:28 -0800 Received: from Ruffass@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id HMSNa28612 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:36:14 -0500 (EST) From: Ruffass Message-ID: Old-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:36:14 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: help Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 X-Diagnostic: help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:37:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 383653dfc5ee2c2fd2191d8f1d8546ea can someone tell me how to unsubscribe....please many thanks From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:52 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 19:15:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAR7w-0003UG-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:15:20 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:09:14 -0800 To: nyfac2@nyfac.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: slagging (was Re: Stick stuff) Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"IZjVhB.A.0wC.Ffh_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3784 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:15:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 1ea134712c3588a2edf09dd98f7ae4a3 At 10:42 AM 3/4/98, tbajus wrote: >> he was the sort of player who exerts powerful anti-spouse forces on >> the audience, causing serious relationship conflicts among all couples >> present. > >Is there any other kind? Of all of the stunningly beautiful, completely >liberated, PhD toting, Kafka reading, sexually depraved women I have >gone out with, I am hard pressed to find any musical common ground. > >Trevor I feel so amazingly lucky to have a partner who shares most of my musical tastes. If anything, she likes the really extreme Even Parker end of free improv more than me. She's not into drum 'n' bass, though. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:54 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 19:38:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yARUd-0005eU-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:38:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199803050334.WAA07161@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Sticking it to Stanley J Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:33:23 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zq3H6.A.L4E.i1h_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3785 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:38:47 -0800 X-UIDL: b0b80552edc64eb35bd2818ce07a7326 as usual, i'll dissent..... I saw Stanley Jordan twice, once opening for Miles in like 83???? which was cool, can't really remember taht much, since i wasn't that into his stuff. But it was a fun show - and i guess at the time he was still the 'boy wonder' and his technique seemed otherworldly. I also wish he didn't solely go down that tapping road. but the second time - about 2 or 3 years back- his band was fantastic - TM Stevens on bass, Kenwood Dennard (brand x, jaco, maceo parker) on drums, and Oscar Brown Jr on keys... great show - and stanley played a lot of 'straight' guitar - they mixed some straight jazz stuff, with more fusion-y numbers plus some (too lite) lite jazz stuff, and the much reviled stairway and Bolero - which was great to see live. he's also a really, really cool, down to earth guy - i useta be in a food co-op that he was a member of, while he lived in Princeton, NJ, and he would come down with his daughter and bag veggies, price stuff for sale, etc. Just a regular dude. Just my .02 It's funny - on a pindrop , this anti Stanley shitstorm started up (which i don't have a problem with, being a first amendment absolutist) - but i can only chuckle, thinking about that other famous guitarist, who is reflexively defended here, from any possible criticisms, while i have yet to see any quotes from Stanley dissing dozens of other guitarist and their techniques & styles.....as That Guy has......sigh...nice guys finish last..... andre' east ---------- > From: Rik Elswit > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Stick stuff > Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 8:14 PM > > Y'all have no idea how glad I am to find that I'm not out there all alone > with regards to Jordan. > From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:08:59 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 20:29:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yASHl-00031d-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:29:33 -0800 Message-ID: <00fe01bd47ee$ee53cda0$d36703cf@rjiredff> From: "Jonathan Brainin" To: Subject: Re: slagging (was Re: Stick stuff) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:26:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"v_Nf2B.A.adC.eli_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3788 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:29:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 3ad1e81dd1062173d84fa15999ad6b5c -----Original Message----- From: Goddess To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 11:14 PM Subject: Re: slagging (was Re: Stick stuff) > You must mean "Yawny", not Yanni... lol... > >zzzzzzzzz... > >Corynne Heh, heh. You from Bostton??? Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@planet.net From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:09:04 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 21:36:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yATKA-0001Hx-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:36:06 -0800 Message-ID: <19980305053211.25780.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.20.85] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: oud stuff/Microtones (off looptopix) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 21:32:10 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"wAlusD.A.34.Zkj_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3790 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:36:06 -0800 X-UIDL: bd7d99ad4bffe5d877a57f408a234bf7 Paolo, DT et al: Torn said: >actually, the scale-length of the instrument is more about the subtleties of micro-tonal playing (& embellishments/adornments) and a >limited note-range than it is about sustain. Well said. To that end folks should check out the Microtonal Page: http://www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/microtone.html >also: the oud that was hanging on the wall @ mccabe's was pretty lousy (& *certainly not worth what they were asking for it!*) & far from any "correct" tuning. Yep. $700 for a *balsa* face piece that would be $40 in a shop in Constantinople. selam, buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:09:05 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 21:41:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yATPc-0001yo-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:41:44 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980305053605.00fb0a14@artist-shop.com> X-Sender: artshop@artist-shop.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 00:36:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Gary Davis Subject: Dates for Bruford, Levin, Torn & Botti Resent-Message-ID: <"REdSZ.A.TYB.Zoj_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3791 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:41:44 -0800 X-UIDL: eb0479a5bf00cfa6c1cc1e6427096fef Hello Friends! I've just put out The Artist Shop newsletter which you'll find in it's entirety at . That part of the newsletter of particular interest to loopers and looping fans, if you haven't seen it already, are the dates for the Bruford/Levin tour of the east coast featuring that favorite of yours and mine, Texture444...uh, David Torn! Here's the info which you'll also find on our Discipline page at : Bruford - Levin Upper Extremities Bill Bruford -drums, percussion and a little keyboards Tony Levin -basses and stick Chris Botti -trumpet David Torn -guitars and loops CONFIRMED PERFORMANCE ITINERARY EAST COAST APRIL 1998: April 15th Birchmere in Alexandria, Va April 16th Theatre of Living Arts in Philadelphia, Pa April 17th Orion Sound Studio's in Baltimore, Pa 2 shows April 18th Knitting Factory in New York City, N.Y 2 shows April 19th House of Blues in Cambridge, Ma I hope a lot of you can go! Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop@artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:09:06 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 22:07:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAToR-0004P2-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:07:23 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980305000034.007c5a60@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 00:00:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Tuning in 5ths (Was :Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #89) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"cSOgg.A.xtD.5Ak_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3792 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:07:23 -0800 X-UIDL: ef57e1cf4e9d7ab9d3043cfa1a7f6ece I find that G# is the highest I could go without breaking strings regularly My gauges are: G# .09 C# .11 F# .16 B .30 E .42 A .56 -Chuck Zwicky At 10:43 AM 3/4/98 +0000, you wrote: >h That is the first time I see somone usinfg a straight 5th tuning.. And >it is funny by the same way we choosed exctly the same tuning (starting >on a low A). Quite astonishing to me (although I guess due to string >tension it would be the best compromise...) > >Olivier Malhomme > > > > From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:09:00 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 20:44:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yASWG-0004a7-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:44:32 -0800 From: "Clark Battle" To: "PMimlitsch" , Subject: Re: Re: Torn in Phila Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:09:22 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980305043822.AAA24505@default> Resent-Message-ID: <"diBkbB.A.2tD.Dyi_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3789 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:44:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 5974608136ee959eadbeb1d5bc1980a3 Damn. Now im sorry i moved from Philly to Seattle. Is torn coming here too? Clark Battle ---------- > From: PMimlitsch > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Re: Torn in Phila > Date: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 3:00 AM > > In a message dated 3/2/98 7:31:48 PM, you wrote: > > < can they be had other ways??>> > > Paul; > As far as I know, only at the door. - Paul > From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 02:09:10 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 4 23:08:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAUlH-0000k2-00; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:08:11 -0800 Message-ID: <34FE51AE.732EEEE7@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 02:18:07 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Love lorne loopers(was slagging) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.5.32.19970808204038.007a2580@pop3.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6L5KaD.A.Yc._6k_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3793 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:08:11 -0800 X-UIDL: ad79f1a589e4aac21d946e22be06e184 Hey, I actually like Tori, but I get the point. I've always had a problem with music coming between a relationship. At first, in the honeymoon period, they ignore the beautiful squeals of Zorn and the musings of the Residents, but soon after, they want to start putting on Madonna albums. I actually used a comparison between a Madonna album and a Naked City album to illustrate the difference between myself and an interested woman. Smooth, eh? And so the problem: Other than one woman in my entire life (I'm 32) I've never been able to share the most important thing in my life. The romantic relationship ended with that woman 2 years ago, and it's been slim pickings ever since. Where are you guys? Should we start a Loopers personal ad page? Man with an open heart seeks SWF for Discipline and Starless Bible Black nights. Tired of crying the tears of a waiting man. (315) 437-7492 What'dya think? Mark. From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 08:24:17 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 03:41:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAZ2E-0005qF-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 03:41:58 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34FE51AE.732EEEE7@mailbox.syr.edu> References: <3.0.5.32.19970808204038.007a2580@pop3.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 03:21:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Love lorne loopers(was slagging) Resent-Message-ID: <"OZdMNC.A.bQF.-7o_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3795 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 03:41:58 -0800 X-UIDL: ae7faaff321456d1e34013e511e95c19 At 2:18 AM -0500 3/5/98, mark sottilaro wrote: >Hey, > >I actually like Tori, but I get the point. I've always had a problem >with music coming between a relationship. At first, in the honeymoon >period, they ignore the beautiful squeals of Zorn and the musings of the >Residents, but soon after, they want to start putting on Madonna albums. Actually, I like Tori too. Not as much as my uber-fan girlfriend, but I wasn't at all bored sitting through numerous concerts. Rather enjoyed it. I would say that having different tastes is kind of nice, so I'm gonna advocate that position. I've heard a lot of music that I wouldn't have listened to otherwise, and that's a pretty good thing. Same for her too. She had never listened to jazz before, and now she's into it. I've noticed her head bopping around when the drum and bass is on. And she was pretty much flipping over FSOL's dead cities album the other day. So I think there's possibility to grow towards each other, if you're open to it. Interesting crossovers happen sometimes. The other day, I was listening to the Polytown cd for the first time in ages, and she says, "I know who that is! He played bass on Kate Bush's early albums." Sure enough, that Mick Karn gets around. Another time she was listening to one of her Happy Rhodes cd's when I noticed a familiar sounding loopy guitar thing. Lo and behold, there's Mr. Torn, getting around as well. funny..... >I actually used a comparison between a Madonna album and a Naked City >album to illustrate the difference between myself and an interested >woman. > >Smooth, eh? oh yeah. Can we call you Dr. Love? >And so the problem: Other than one woman in my entire life (I'm 32) >I've never been able to share the most important thing in my life. The >romantic relationship ended with that woman 2 years ago, and it's been >slim pickings ever since. Where are you guys? Should we start a >Loopers personal ad page? > >Man with an open heart seeks >SWF for Discipline and Starless Bible >Black nights. Tired of crying the tears >of a waiting man. (315) 437-7492 > >What'dya think? Given the number of men present at any given progressive/difficult music performance I've been to, I do have one suggestion that should greatly improve your odds.....a few things might be a little different than you're used to, but heck, the music tastes will be the same..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 08:25:18 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 08:23:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAdQX-0003xV-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:23:21 -0800 Message-ID: <34FE8BAD.662B@nyfac.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 11:25:33 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Love lorne loopers(was slagging) References: <3.0.5.32.19970808204038.007a2580@pop3.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1g3cUB.A.YMD.LCt_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3808 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:23:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 2818fe8d2eb4ab01cd95dc11713aa5e3 As far as not sharing your music with the snugglebunny of your choice goes, I have suspected that it might be a good thing. Music is an important part of my life, not the most important, but in a three way tie (I am visual arts guy, as well as a writer). Of all of the (I hate to say) arts that I practice, music is the most intuitive, least studied, and most immediate. None of the women I have dated have been into the band scenes that I have been involved with. But they all have been able to appreciate the stuff that I do in an aestetic way without waiting with breathless anticipation for the next project. Meaning, you just get the support without the criticism. One more strain on the relationship neatly avoided. It's easy for my to discuss whether of not Nabakov was totally overrated. It's hard to maintain the critical distance in music. This did not come out quite as clearly as I had hoped. Trevor From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 08:24:31 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 04:34:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAZrP-00024B-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 04:34:51 -0800 From: Texture444 Message-ID: <3c798750.34fe9b24@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:31:30 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: torn in seattle? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"J9EZ6D.A.UvB.ntp_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3797 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 04:34:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 6a0eda9f08b1adaf6bd168544533a72b i'm in seattle pretty regularly; usually in studios, though. thinking about a solo tour, for fall '98, however. 2 must-see seattle bands: 1) critters buggin, & 2) maktub yo, dt From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 08:24:45 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 05:19:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAaYM-0004YT-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 05:19:14 -0800 Reply-To: "Stefano Voulaz" From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: Subject: R: torn in seattle? Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:18:32 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4839$323a28d0$6902a8c0@voulaz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"nGf7D.A.WCE.GXq_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3798 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 05:19:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 1f6d6bd8d62a460f6f520f1f87166c13 What about coming to Europe (i.e., Italy)??? ...The Looping Uncle >i'm in seattle pretty regularly; >usually in studios, though. >thinking about a solo tour, for fall '98, however. > >2 must-see seattle bands: >1) critters buggin, & >2) maktub > >yo, >dt > From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 08:24:47 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 05:27:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAag8-0005Cb-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 05:27:16 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:23:21 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: please explain ring modulators Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803050823_MC2-359C-B73C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"3ZNJwD.A.0oE.meq_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3799 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 05:27:16 -0800 X-UIDL: b8542f5e1310ab84ef036f7fdb391c11 Scott Bullerwell wrote: >>A ring modulator, in the signal processing definition, is a sum-and-difference device where an input signal's frequency (say, an A440Hz) is added to and subtracted from an internal oscillator's frequency (say, 200Hz), and the sum and difference are output as two tones (in this case, 640Hz and 240Hz). (The name, by the way, comes from the arrangement of diodes in the analog circuit--I built one years ago from plans in Craig Anderton's book "Electronic Projects For Musicians" and it was a gas!).<< BTW Scott, is this book still available? If so, do you know where? Thanks for the tip, I'm looking for some projects for the next while ... Rob Cummings Berlin, Germany P.S. was the sound quality at least decent? P.P.S. The Harmony Central site has a neat section called Effects Explained which explains in layman's terms how various effects work (Phasers, RM, etc.). From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 08:24:49 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 05:55:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAb7t-0006uQ-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 05:55:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:52:31 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dates for Bruford, Levin, Torn & Botti In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980305053605.00fb0a14@artist-shop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"44Mjx.A.QOG.a5q_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3800 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 05:55:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 4708560ac96696482bf7ce23d64e15c8 On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Gary Davis wrote: > April 17th Orion Sound Studio's in Baltimore, Pa 2 shows Erm...Hopefully we won't have a bunch of people driving around Pennsylvania looking for a city called Baltimore. 8) Tix for these two shows are on sale now and going fast. You can pick them up at: Of Sound Mind in Savage Mill 8600 Foundry Street Savage MD (301)497-6488 Hours: Wed 12-6/Thu-Sat 12-8 Of Sound Mind is an independent shop run by my good friend Chris Lamka that strictly sells progressive, electronic, avant-garde, fusion and world musics. No crawling through racks of the latest flavor of the day top-40 artists' CDs searching in vain for the good stuff, because all he sells is the good stuff. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 08:24:56 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 06:24:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAbZx-0000zZ-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 06:24:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:22:06 -0600 (CST) Sender: Todd Madson From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Kim's Musical "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Dx0KAC.A.tp.fUr_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3801 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 06:24:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 1878a59082d25c8c29adcfed0eaa20e9 Kim: I nearly wet my pants when I read your bit about the fact that fast playing causes "anti-spouse forces" to come up. Although I don't agree with your assessment of Lane (check out Temporal Analogues of Paradise to hear his more thoughtful and slower side, he only goes into orbit once on the first tune and again on the second), I do agree with the Anti-Spouse Music Theorem. My wife does not particular enjoy Allan Holdsworth's angular, fast, yowling guitar solos. But, she does like his tunes like "Distance vs. Desire" from say "Sand" or the synth-preamble to "Hard Hat Area". She's also not hot on King Crimson. Anything that is Bellicose or has a really heavy or odd-time feel causes her to run from the room (although she actually likes Eric Johnson's playing because his sense of melody and tone is so nice). The theory is this: anything with an ape-like, crusty, hairy, gnarled barnacle on the rusty ship-prow aspect causes the fair sex to go running out of the room. Where does this apply to looping? Well, there's Dave Torn's "The Entire Wish Spent Timing" which is way too beautiful to be a guitar and my wife thinks it is simply a beautiful synthesizer, but the direct-injection fuzztone at the beginning of "Pasha" makes her run right out of the room. Face it - some of the stuff that we like just makes people want to be far away. -Todd. From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 08:25:02 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 07:13:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAcKY-0004LW-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:13:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199803051511.IAA12471@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: DIY Iliudium Pu-26 Explosive Ring Modulator Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:07:47 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C-M79D.A.NzD.lBs_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3802 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:13:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 9d5c6a2841664732f140c9a402124e5d Rob Cummings wrote: >Scott Bullerwell wrote: >>A ring modulator, in the signal processing definition, is a >sum-and-difference device where an input signal's frequency (say, an >A440Hz) is added to and subtracted from an internal oscillator's frequency >(say, 200Hz), and the sum and difference are output as two tones (in this >case, 640Hz and 240Hz). (The name, by the way, comes from the arrangement >of diodes in the analog circuit--I built one years ago from plans in Craig >Anderton's book "Electronic Projects For Musicians" and it was a gas!).<< > >BTW Scott, is this book still available? If so, do you know where? >Thanks for the tip, I'm looking for some projects for the next while ... As a matter of fact, the updated edition "Digital Projects For Musicians" is still in print (ISBN 0825613841) and can be had from www.amazon.com for about twenty dollars US. >P.S. was the sound quality at least decent? Par with most homemade analog FX (breadboard + PTP wiring, no ground planing, badly shielded; hey, I was like twelve years old at the time!) but plenty of fun and it made cool sounds). Depending on your skills you might etch your own PCB and make a nicer one--I believe Anderton's current plans for a ring modulator use a socketed IC ring mod, and the signal quality is probably higher than I got with surplus milspec diodes. Good luck! And remember not to shake hands with Mr. Electricity. Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 08:25:03 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 07:17:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAcOn-0004wr-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:17:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199803051514.IAA12485@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Critters Buggin' (was: torn in seattle?) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:10:41 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O8SSLC.A.dHE.TEs_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3803 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:17:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 8473ffdf8e39b26c617ec3803270b1f2 dt wrote: >2 must-see seattle bands: >1) critters buggin, & Second that. Saw CB in '95 opening for the mighty Hawkwind here in Boulder. Very 'eavy, very intense, and very dynamic. Kinda vaguely sort of Primus doing Crimson covers. Sort of. Or mebbe not. Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 08:25:10 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 07:53:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAcxe-0000Pw-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:53:30 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29238BC7@NTSRV2> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: new kid on the block Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:35:56 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"dxqFOD.A._7G.2ks_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3804 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:53:30 -0800 X-UIDL: ca953977479756d1d297ceafdd972f2b > Thomas W wrote:Ê"I got the vortex > before christmas time last year and I stillÊ haven`t got the > footswithces > working!Ê I have figured I need a stereocableÊ to get them working. Is > this true?Ê Just a jack/jack steroÊ cable??" > Dear Thomas, Welcome to the list and to looping and Lexicon. Please don't be shy with your questions, everyone started somewhere and there are no dumb questions, only dumb answers! The Vortex and JAMMAN will work with a mono cable plugged into their fooswitch jacks but you will only have use of the functions labeled "TIP" on the back panel. If you are using a dual footswitch you will need a stereo(Tip-Ring-Sleeve) cable in order to use both sides of the switch. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 08:25:10 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 07:54:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAcyA-0000UZ-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:54:02 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:48:07 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Love lorne loopers(was slagging) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"d6yor.A.C_G.Hls_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3805 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:54:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 2d0aa8a6af512e503bd9a73394de1f19 My wife's taste in music is expressed well by her absolutely pristine, complete collection of Van Halen (and no "Van Hagar") on vinyl. In practice, though, she listens to more Aerosmith and Rod Stewart. The best thing i've done musically all year is to buy her the Xena soundtrack CDs, which she loves. You can just imagine what she thinks of Music for Airports... (at least the lighter bits of Naked City amuse her, and she's learned to tolerate Steve Tibbetts) My next audio dream is to score a pair of old Altec A7s for stereo speakers, to go with the homebrew tube amps. It should be amusing to watch her deal with the cognitive dissonance of a pair of butt-ugly refridgerator-sized horns in the living room that play *her* taste in music better than anything else ever could. :} -dave Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless. From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 08:25:16 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 08:17:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAdKW-00035G-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:17:08 -0800 Message-ID: <34FECE71.1CB7D176@Pirnie.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 11:10:26 -0500 From: "Lee Wordsman" Reply-To: Lwordsman@Pirnie.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Love lorne loopers(was slagging) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Yl2baD.A.caC.f8s_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3807 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:17:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 1f90f1be643d2a8cf6160e2912464945 Dave, She sounds like a fine woman. My wife isn't aware that music is still being made and she laments the demise of her record collection, which consisted of Tapestry, Tea for the Tillerman and The Big Chill Soundtrack, all on vinyl. I recently borrowed Transmutation from a friend and within 30 seconds of turning it on, my wife (a therapist) had one of her psych books out and was trying to diagnos me. While using my recently acquired Time Machine, she asked me to help her move something. I left the loop on and turned it up a bit to enjoy my creation. She looked at me quissically and wondered why anyone would want to listen to such a thing. Not that I don't love her and enjoy her company. Music is just not a common ground. Dave Stagner wrote: > My wife's taste in music is expressed well by her absolutely pristine, > complete collection of Van Halen (and no "Van Hagar") on vinyl. In > practice, though, she listens to more Aerosmith and Rod Stewart. The best > thing i've done musically all year is to buy her the Xena soundtrack CDs, > which she loves. > > You can just imagine what she thinks of Music for Airports... (at least > the lighter bits of Naked City amuse her, and she's learned to tolerate > Steve Tibbetts) > > My next audio dream is to score a pair of old Altec A7s for stereo > speakers, to go with the homebrew tube amps. It should be amusing to > watch her deal with the cognitive dissonance of a pair of butt-ugly > refridgerator-sized horns in the living room that play *her* taste in > music better than anything else ever could. :} > > -dave > > Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless. > From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 08:50:14 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 08:42:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAdiz-0005uP-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:42:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199803051639.JAA12885@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: Love lorne loopers(was slagging) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:36:04 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w37BlC.A.-IF.rUt_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3809 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:42:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 7ddfeba2d32d637fc95be04408ef4453 This whole "my wife listens exclusively to Ratt and/or John Tesh and doesn't understand me and is frightened by my music" thing is kind of uncomfortable. I'm sorry you guys married un-adventurous listeners, and I'm glad you can commiserate. However, before you tar all women with the same condescending brush... [Gloat Mode] ...I would point out that I often eat lunch with a beautiful young woman (you might know her, actually) and we talk about Fripp, van der Graaf Generator, the nerdy details of miking drums and placing them in a mix, chordal harmony, subtle timbral differences in backwards waveforms, microtonalism, etc. Her roommate, another beautiful young woman, is a Crafty and a total prog-head. And my Stick-playing buddy Steve's wife wrote her doctoral dissertation on the music of Gentle Giant. All of those people live within a quick bike ride from me [/Gloat Mode] I'm quite used to not finding ANYONE, male or female, musician or non-musician, who shares my taste for Happy Family and Djam Karet and obscure Bruford solo albums and rare PFM import vinyl and Glenn Branca discs. Sure, I'll evangelize the hell out of avant/experimental/progressive/weird music to anyone I think might enjoy it. Bnd I don't hold it against anyone if they don't--I accept the fact that *I* am the freak. And Bob Forbid I should come across as one more sanctimonious prog rock dickhead--the last thing art music needs is a brotherhood of smug elitists carrying the torch. Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:37:25 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 09:47:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAejS-00069P-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:46:58 -0800 Message-ID: <34FED644.AE0B2630@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 17:43:48 +0100 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: [Fwd: Maestro Echoplex] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------529FC2F2DEF6A5A1DA6D5BEB" Resent-Message-ID: <"pLnQLC.A.bQF.qQu_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3813 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:46:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 303c535542e231ceeae89daeb490810a Path: web3.vtx.net!globalip.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "BOB" Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro Subject: Maestro Echoplex Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:43:09 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Message-ID: <6dmgro$s0a$1@usenet54.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 28682@209.176.143.151 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I have an unused Brand new Echo Plex I purchased and never used many years ago It has two in box tapes and is in Absolute mint condition. If your interested Please E-mail an offer. I don't really know what to price it at. Bob From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:08 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 13:50:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAiWc-00058j-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:49:58 -0800 Message-ID: <34FED802.1905@nyfac.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 16:51:14 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fred Frith References: <3.0.32.19980305133129.006b4108@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4-6dPB.A.oJE.azx_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3828 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:49:58 -0800 X-UIDL: f8d10f9e6bad538301001d55cd48e131 He has a cool split cd with Marc Ribot on Subsonic. I forget what it is called, but Ribot's stuff is pretty cool as well. Trevor From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:37:20 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 09:22:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAeLR-0002tG-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:22:09 -0800 Message-ID: <34FEDD70.C23AF51B@Pirnie.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 12:14:25 -0500 From: "Lee Wordsman" Reply-To: Lwordsman@Pirnie.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Turn that down!!! (formerly love lorn slaggers) References: <199803051639.JAA12885@hyper.dimensional.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7YAAzB.A.5AC.P4t_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3810 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:22:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 6de80acce7db57ea5634b4de3867300f Didn't mean to "tar all women" just my wife ; ). If it sounded condescending that may have been sarcasm creeping in. but seriously it's more a matter of spending a lot of time with someone that isn't into something that is important to you. I know women that are into similar music and lots of guys that aren't. I don't live with any of them so it doesn't matter. We find common interests and thats cool. Not to say that my wife has to enjoy the same music as I do. I'm not into some of the stuff she's into. Fortunately for me she's not into stuff that gets played through amplifiers. Unfortunatley for her, I am into that kind of stuff. Has this horse been beaten enough? ervad those things don't get played over load speakers Scott Bullerwell wrote: > This whole "my wife listens exclusively to Ratt and/or John Tesh and > doesn't understand me and is frightened by my music" thing is kind of > uncomfortable. I'm sorry you guys married un-adventurous listeners, and > I'm glad you can commiserate. However, before you tar all women with the > same condescending brush... > > [Gloat Mode] ...I would point out that I often eat lunch with a beautiful > young woman (you might know her, actually) and we talk about Fripp, van der > Graaf Generator, the nerdy details of miking drums and placing them in a > mix, chordal harmony, subtle timbral differences in backwards waveforms, > microtonalism, etc. Her roommate, another beautiful young woman, is a > Crafty and a total prog-head. And my Stick-playing buddy Steve's wife > wrote her doctoral dissertation on the music of Gentle Giant. All of those > people live within a quick bike ride from me [/Gloat Mode] > > I'm quite used to not finding ANYONE, male or female, musician or > non-musician, who shares my taste for Happy Family and Djam Karet and > obscure Bruford solo albums and rare PFM import vinyl and Glenn Branca > discs. Sure, I'll evangelize the hell out of > avant/experimental/progressive/weird music to anyone I think might enjoy > it. Bnd I don't hold it against anyone if they don't--I accept the fact > that *I* am the freak. And Bob Forbid I should come across as one more > sanctimonious prog rock dickhead--the last thing art music needs is a > brotherhood of smug elitists carrying the torch. > > Scott Bullerwell > tanelorn@dimensional.com > Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:37:21 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 09:26:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAePb-0003WL-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:26:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199803051708.JAA27306@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: New Automated Profiles Page!!! Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:20:39 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ptEjFD.A.SaC.A7t_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3811 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:26:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 9e7ae731ef2ea1f25d6d606c62afea3c > From: Kim Flint > Let us know what you think...... I'm sure it's wonderful and all...but what the heck do we use for our login and password if we already have a profile online? Matt From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:37:22 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 09:33:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAeWb-0004T9-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:33:41 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980305172743.00a7f288@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 09:27:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: New Automated Profiles Page!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"Hc6y1.A.IsD.OEu_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3812 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:33:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 2b07b7971bd1db613316ecf4aeabb5f4 Chris mailed all of that to people who already have profiles. If you didn't get a user name/password mail from him, send him mail at: Chris Chovit You'll probably want to change your password, which you can easily do from the new profiles page. If you don't have a profile online yet, disregard this. You set up you own user name/password when you create a new profile. kim At 09:20 AM 3/5/98 -0800, you wrote: >> From: Kim Flint > >> Let us know what you think...... > >I'm sure it's wonderful and all...but what the heck do we use for our login >and password if we already have a profile online? > >Matt > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:37:35 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 10:00:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAewG-0000KT-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:00:12 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD481C.0FB2C460.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: torn in seattle? Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:45:11 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_ltYND.A.gXG.XYu_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3814 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:00:12 -0800 X-UIDL: a51aaa5a2de98e7784c0225452f72473 from dt: >2 must-see seattle bands: >1) critters buggin, & >2) maktub Anybody - David? Scott?-- happen to know who the musicians are? I lived in the Seattle area for many years, and since moving, still make some attempt at keeping up with local goings on... gracias, laurie From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:37:36 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 10:00:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAewb-0000Ny-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:00:33 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD481C.11DB22A0.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Turn it Up!!!: All Things Microtonal Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:48:13 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Hn7b1D.A.fYG.cYu_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3815 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:00:33 -0800 X-UIDL: d892f1b03ee3b63c8da790f03ee7062e Cool site: http://www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/microtone.html Maybe this was posted before, I've been out of town a while. Anyway, the guy's homepage is pretty interesting, too. laurie >From lists@slip.net Thu Mar 05 10:18:52 1998 From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:29 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 16:14:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAkmr-0000BB-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:14:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199803052355.PAA28270@scv1.apple.com> Subject: RE: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Date: Thu, 5 Mar 98 17:56:55 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"jJMhwC.A.vRG.f3z_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3838 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:14:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 37f8aae54b05239ffc2bc6460874099d >Actually there would probably be more women at the gay theater >performance... And much cuter guys. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:37:36 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 10:18:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAfEH-0002ek-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:18:49 -0800 X-Sender: paulpop@marlin.ssnet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Phd) Subject: RE: torn in seattle? Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:14:57 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: <"qpiDm.A.3AC.kuu_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3816 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:18:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 1ceaef954d35d72983fb946c257e57c0 just called the Theatre of the Living Arts in philly ... they know nothing of a Bruford/Levin/Torn show on April 16 ... anybody know what gives? °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone (service) = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:37:44 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 10:57:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAfpy-00073L-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:57:46 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:51:12 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: AW: Love lorne loopers(was slagging) Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199803051351_MC2-35A7-F5D6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"RTxor.A.76F.7Rv_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3817 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:57:46 -0800 X-UIDL: bfda381989fadaa8bc195b3ffb9f850b Scott Bullerwell wrote, >This whole "my wife listens exclusively to Ratt and/or John Tesh and >doesn't understand me and is frightened by my music" thing is kind of >uncomfortable. yeah, I agree. Very similar to the endless "why aren't there any female KC fans" thread in Elephant Talk. My girl friend isn't very musical either, but so what? We are multidimensional beings. Let's get back to talking gear, ok? >I'm quite used to not finding ANYONE, male or female, musician or >non-musician, who shares my taste for Happy Family and Djam Karet and >obscure Bruford solo albums and rare PFM import vinyl and Glenn Branca >discs. You'd find most of Bruford, PFM, and Glenn Branca in my record collection. You are not alone! =) michael peters mpeters@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters.htm From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:42 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 17:18:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAllz-000062-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:18:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199803060059.QAA28862@scv1.apple.com> Subject: WTB: Novax neck/bridge (no looping content) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 98 19:00:30 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"Z3CX2B.A.UuG.J20_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3841 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:18:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 296ea852e56b5f90da38fadbf9d8afb5 I believe there was someone on this list, a few months ago, who was selling a Novax replacement neck and bridge. If it's still available, please contact me via private e-mail. Apologies to everyone else, Travis Hartnett hartnett.t@apple.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:37:46 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 11:09:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAg1H-0000qC-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:09:27 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:03:51 -0800 (PST) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <199803051903.LAA25698@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: AW: Love lorne loopers(was slagging) Resent-Message-ID: <"H35h-C.A.XH.9cv_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3818 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:09:27 -0800 X-UIDL: fddc0762c512439cf3d09c0513725eb5 I lucked out. When I met my wife, she said she wasn't much into music, but I let it slide because the sex was spectacular. She did, however, like the stuff she heard me playing (at least that's what she said) and started going out with me to hear a broad range of musics. She now likes a lot of jazz, north Indian Classical, rock, blues, and she's become a fanatic for string bands and bluegrass. But she only likes a few artists in each category. It turns out that she has an ear for quality, no matter what genre. This is extrememly gratifying for two reasons. First, she's great company for going out and hearing new music, and second, because she loves my looping and encourages me to play out more. She is the reason that the last ten years of my life have been the best. Rik From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:37:48 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 11:18:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAg9t-0002AX-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:18:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:12:30 -0800 (PST) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <199803051912.LAA29611@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Message for Chris Chovit Resent-Message-ID: <"QVS6mD.A.qQB.ukv_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3819 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:18:21 -0800 X-UIDL: c3805c8abe42022caff0c1f802af14b6 Chris, I do indeed work at Bananas. In fact, you, or your brother, got a Fernandes travel guitar from me. I tried to email you about the EDPs, but got a mailer daemon bounce back. I'm at rik@well.com. From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:37:53 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 11:59:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAgno-0006uq-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:59:36 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:54:00 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: torn in seattle? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"gHUqOC.A.u3F.XMw_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3820 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:59:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 7f8b9d7daedaaaf2257b06830dc40e2a On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Paul Poplawski, Phd wrote: > just called the Theatre of the Living Arts in philly ... they know nothing > of a Bruford/Levin/Torn show on April 16 ... anybody know what gives? Current schedule is: Mon, April 13th: Toad's Place - New Haven, CT Tue, April 14th: Theater of Living Arts - Philadelphia, PA Wed, April 15th: Birchmere - Alexandria, VA Fri, April 17th: Orion Sound Studios - Baltimore, MD [2 shows] Sat, April 18th: Knitting Factory - New York City, NY [2 shows] Sun, April 19th: House of Blues - Cambridge, MA -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:37:56 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 12:18:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAh6I-0001SG-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:18:42 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:15:01 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803052015.OAA11867@tigris.netnet.net> X-Sender: eponine@netnet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mike barman Subject: I Just Dont think she's very nice Resent-Message-ID: <"m6e_dB.A.f6.Nfw_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3821 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:18:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 98ccb87ba243dbb745c54faf00b211a8 Wow I don't read my mail for a couple days and this turns into loveline. (that's not bad I like it when this group takes new directions, after all everything loops if you just wait around long enough). S Jordan- Well I've only seen him once and his tone was ok nothing to brag about but I didn't want to leave (this was in 88) I don't think he was traveling with a sound person though. So as you can imagine this can really hurt someone in the long run. as far as overplaying I think a lot of jazz/fusion guys do this it seems to me to be part of that style especially live. T. Amos this woman needs someone to kick her really hard and knock her off her high horse (Sorry this is the way I react whenever the T word is brought up) I've worked as a local rigger 3 times for her and this woman is insane.... The scary part is when the first album came out (major label) I told all my friends to buy it. I though there was real good material here well recorded nice production etc. Live I thought she sucked. (This has nothing to do with her attitude just the performance) She set up about 30' from the first row and said about 4 to 8 lines to the audience (the exact same at each show), extremely impersonal (the lighting design went black in between each song I like to see a performer) and the high point for me at the first show was when I heard the harmonizer at the end of a number follow her breathing guess that vocal range needs some help (someone didn't hit the mute fast enough). To me it seemed like she wanted very little to do with the audience as long as they're buying a T- shirt. All I'm saying about backstage is rude and paranoid. She needs to take some lessons in attitude. Yikes.. I'm ranting i need to stop this...... Ammo for all you Fripp bashers you can get thrown off the show for looking him in the eye's, no one's allowed around for sound check ,and the moving lights cant pan over him while he's playing. (these things distract him and he becomes shall we say unhappy) I personally don't care because that fripp guy was great along with that very nice Mr. Belew and Mr. Levin etc.... Don't suppose DT would want to play in Green Bay WI ?? From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:03 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 13:17:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAi0q-0000dg-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:17:08 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:12:50 -0500 (EST) From: Pete Koniuto To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fred Frith Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"iCULXC.A.jE.kVx_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3824 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:17:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 49ac237f53ed422be12c508a641b098d Loopists, I've seen/heard Fred Frith's name pop up in numerous interesting contexts, but don't think i have ever actually heard his music. Can anyone here give me some idea of what he's done, different developmental periods in his career, contributions to looping, good recordings to start out with, collaborator's, etc? Much obliged, much obliged, Pete Koniuto From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:04 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 13:24:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAi7i-0001eh-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:24:14 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: lonesome loopers(was slagging) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:17:22 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd487c$16a81260$30034382@hovard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"pD6VmD.A.j5.abx_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3825 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:24:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 4677dde0baabcdc2f8c903d58aa78f52 HI people!! I`ve been following the thread on Stanley J that turned into the musical tastes of your spouses. I have found all of this amuzing but can`t help but think some sad toughts. The last time I was on the list I got depressed coz I didn`t have a looping device. Now I HAVE one , but Im depressed coz I don`t have a girlfriend (much less a wife!). So , tomorrow im gonna put on my hip sneakers and go boogie on the dancefloor! The first girl I meet Im gonna fall down on my knees for and proclaim my love for her. Then Ill invite her home to have a look at my jamman. whaddya reckon`? Yours , Thomas w From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:06 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 13:33:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAiGi-0002vm-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:33:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199803052127.QAA26528@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Fred Frith Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:27:08 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Z4Fo5D.A.GEC.1jx_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3826 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:33:32 -0800 X-UIDL: d7bd38512593d8146e6464999b08bd25 > From: Pete Koniuto > Loopists, > > I've seen/heard Fred Frith's name pop up in numerous > interesting contexts, but don't think i have ever > actually heard his music. > > Can anyone here give me some idea of what he's done, > different developmental periods in his career, > contributions to looping, good recordings to start out > with, collaborator's, etc? Much obliged, much obliged,> Pete Koniuto I too would like to learn more about Frith -i've seen him live in a duo with John Zorn, it was really cool - and i have some stuff he's released - some with Henry Kaiser ("with enemies like these, who needs friends") and a string quartet CD. To me, he's another key guitarist in the whole ground-breaking experimental/roots area. And a champion of the improvisational spirit. He plays some bass on some other stuff, like the Frith, French, Kaiser, Thompson disc - which i strangely didn't enjoy the first couple listens. anyone else have thoughts on this CD??? I never got into Richard Thompson - i think it's the singing, cos i love his guitar work... peace, andre' e > > From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:07 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 13:37:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAiK8-0003Qu-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:37:04 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980305133129.006b4108@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> X-Sender: cavaleri@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 13:31:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: Fred Frith Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gYGJAB.A.iPC.Llx_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3827 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:37:04 -0800 X-UIDL: a9bd70b575785656e5d550d242c4ad14 Mr. Frith did a collaboration with Henry Kaiser that has been re-released on the SST label ( I think.) It is a combination of two previous LP's. I believe the title is "With friends like this.. Who needs enemies?" Some very interesting listening.. Check it out. joe At 04:12 PM 3/5/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Loopists, > >I've seen/heard Fred Frith's name pop up in numerous >interesting contexts, but don't think i have ever >actually heard his music. > >Can anyone here give me some idea of what he's done, >different developmental periods in his career, >contributions to looping, good recordings to start out >with, collaborator's, etc? > > >Much obliged, much obliged, > >Pete Koniuto > > > > From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:08 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 13:56:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAid0-00066r-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:56:34 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980305214809.00e03f04@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 13:48:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Future loop music (was: Love lorne whiners) Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"55H4v.A.OpE.62x_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3829 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:56:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 9bd90e684add1c31d2039b82e322a7fb At 10:25 PM 3/5/98, Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: >the other Michael: >>Let's get back to talking gear, ok? > >Nope; this thread was started by none other than Kim hisself, so it's >official!!! Hey, I'm always the one telling you wankers to stop talking about your knobs all the time. So I'm staying in character, or at least somewhere near that vicinity. >>>I'm quite used to not finding ANYONE, male or female, musician or >>>non-musician, who shares my taste for Happy Family and Djam Karet and >>>obscure Bruford solo albums and rare PFM import vinyl and Glenn Branca >>>discs. >>You'd find most of Bruford, PFM, and Glenn Branca in my record collection. > >Hmm.... is Scott your type? ;) I was going to bring up my observation that the typical upper-middle-class, middle-aged, college-educated, slightly-arrogant, white-male audience found at most progressive rock shows bears a very strong resemblance to the crowd at a typical gay theater performance, but maybe instead I'll suggest a new topic: Where is loop based music going? What directions will it be taking in the future? Not the gear, but the music itself! What compositional, improvisational, cultural, etc. directions are things heading in? Will it find more or less of a place in popular styles? Will it find more or less of a place in 'high art' styles? What will it be? What might the loop innovators of tommorrow be doing? Remember, its a music question, not a gear question..... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:10 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 14:04:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAikc-00079t-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:04:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980305154951.0075932c@texas.net> X-Sender: ranjones@texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 15:49:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: lonesome loopers(was slagging) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sYGbP.A.YPG.KCy_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3830 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:04:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 37952125255ef97fafeabc5d45b8d33a Damn... Show her a jamman...? You can't impress an American woman with one of those, you need a Lexus or some diamonds, or maybe a backstage pass to ToriAmos or U2. Hey, you could search the net for one of those Russian Women Want To Meet You pages. They don't care if you're poor, bald, fat, ugly, or a looper! They will love you, give you children, move to America (uh, you are an American, aren't you?), and even play Robert Fripp CDs all day if you want. Their heads will even bob... Randy Jones > > I`ve been following the thread on Stanley J that turned into the musical tastes of your >spouses. I have found all of this amuzing but can`t help but think some sad toughts. >The last time I was on the list I got depressed coz I didn`t have a looping device. Now I >HAVE one , but Im depressed coz I don`t have a girlfriend (much less a wife!). > >So , tomorrow im gonna put on my hip sneakers and go boogie on the dancefloor! >The first girl I meet Im gonna fall down on my knees for and proclaim my love for her. >Then Ill invite her home to have a look at my jamman. > > whaddya reckon`? > > >Yours , Thomas w > > > > From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:16 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 14:49:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAjRt-0004Rw-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:49:09 -0800 Message-ID: <19980305224241.24906.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [192.204.247.123] From: "stephen boyle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: fake electroacoustics Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 14:42:40 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"KHuy-C.A.7dD.eqy_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3831 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:49:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 58ba3b1565593091a6fb072b977acd5a I've been lurking for a couple of weeks, and I guess it's time to introduce myself. My name is Stephen Boyle and I Currently reside in Pittsburgh, PA. I've 'performed' in a couple of local bands--Swob(scratchy, angular rock/anti-rock); The Viragos(self-absorbed, catchy garage-mod pop); and Dead At 24(drugs, sex, but no rock). All were rewarding experiences. Some of the bands I helped open up for were The Idea Fire Co., The Shadow Ring, Harry Pussy, Whitehouse, God Is My Co-Pilot, Thela, James Chance and The Contortions, The Tower Recordings....now I'm on my own, poised to purchase a reel-to-reel deck and storm the cassette underground. My, ahh, 'gear': --ARP Axxe(once owned by the Joe Cocker Band, and also the American Standard Band!) --Mackie 1202 mixer(pre-VLZ) --Digitech RDS1900 --Echoplex(Made by some company in Ohio) --Digitech DSP4 --Radio Shack omnidirectional clip-on mics --junk metal/plastic/glass, toys, objects --RCA audio generator(when it works) --two multi-speed tape recorders(no Dolby, thanks) --Tube Works distortion --shortwave radio, scanner --Electrovoice microphone(old desk-top model) Also, I'm building a couple of small things that I can't tell you about just yet. Two questions: --Where could I get ahold of replacement tapes for my Echoplex? --Is anyone familiar with the Univox tape echo? Thanks, SBoyle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:17 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 15:05:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAjhF-0006Yb-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:05:01 -0800 Message-Id: <199803052259.PAA15040@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: torn in seattle? Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:55:28 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VNHa-D.A.EXF.z4y_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3832 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:05:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 9444217caa1f139f643772f01ccab967 Laurie wrote: >from dt: > >>2 must-see seattle bands: >>1) critters buggin, & >>2) maktub > >Anybody - David? Scott?-- happen to know who the musicians are? I lived in the >Seattle area for many years, and since moving, still make some attempt at >keeping up with local goings on... Check out http://www.crittersbuggin.com for the official poo. Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:18 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 15:29:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAk5I-0001px-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:29:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199803052325.QAA15189@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Future Loop Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:21:30 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"grL68.A.z_.xQz_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3833 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:29:52 -0800 X-UIDL: e116d4486f75464e06ac1f98b9d8f3fd Kim asks: > Where is loop based music going? What directions will it be taking in the > future? Not the gear, but the music itself! What compositional, > improvisational, cultural, etc. directions are things heading in? Will it > find more or less of a place in popular styles? Will it find more or less of > a place in 'high art' styles? What will it be? What might the loop > innovators of tommorrow be doing? Remember, its a music question, not a gear > question..... I would venture the following: The distinction between music and not-music is about as clear as the distinction between plants and weeds. Was Lou Reed's "Metal Machine Music" indeed music? What about the sound of windchimes in the rain, or a mechanized manufacturing tool that produces an "A" when the motor is running at full speed and and "F" when the motor is running at idle? Does intent matter? Is music communication, or is it merely sound, interpreted? In general, we recognize music when we hear patterns of sound that follow some set of rules. Even if we don't know what the rules are, we can usually tell, say, a gamelan orchestra from a truckload of cheap pots and pans going over a cliff. Rules, of course, can be simple or complex. And rules can be broken. What rules can be broken, and in what ways they can be broken, is not always something that can be objectively quantified. Looping devices allow an artist that chooses to, to break rules that otherwise are difficult or impossible to break, and to make new rules that otherwise are difficult or impossible to make. [Sorry that's vague and probably a cop-out, but Kim's question is right up there with "what good is a baby?" I think looping per se is going to have as much impact on music as the musicians who embrace the technology--no more, and no less.] Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:19 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 15:38:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAkDE-00030V-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:38:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199803052328.QAA15203@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:25:03 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2Wsq4D.A.2cB.9Tz_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3834 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:38:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 2d84b5914a821534e909e5a8ccb19ef5 Kim notes: > I was going to bring up my observation that the typical upper-middle-class, > middle-aged, college-educated, slightly-arrogant, white-male audience found > at most progressive rock shows bears a very strong resemblance to the crowd > at a typical gay theater performance I wanted to add my voice to yours on the Stanley Jordan issue, but managed to keep it in check. This time however, I gotta publicly and loudly agree with you. Shall we now ask the question: why the HELL is that? Scott From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:20 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 15:53:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAkSH-000506-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:53:37 -0800 Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC78C102@sf-01-msg.dns.microsoft.com> From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:46:16 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"rvURsC.A.EuD.Mlz_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3835 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:53:37 -0800 X-UIDL: a8b258b2722262d883c0d7bf0b9cb7f2 Actually there would probably be more women at the gay theater performance... > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Bullerwell [SMTP:tanelorn@dimensional.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 3:38 PM > To: Tom Attix > Subject: prog rock--is it homoerotic? > > Kim notes: > > > I was going to bring up my observation that the typical > upper-middle-class, > > middle-aged, college-educated, slightly-arrogant, white-male audience > found > > at most progressive rock shows bears a very strong resemblance to the > crowd > > at a typical gay theater performance > > I wanted to add my voice to yours on the Stanley Jordan issue, but managed > to keep it in check. This time however, I gotta publicly and loudly agree > with you. Shall we now ask the question: why the HELL is that? > > Scott From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:32 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 16:55:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAlPj-0004kv-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:55:03 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E1FF6@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Future loop music (was: Love lorne whiners) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:50:02 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"ksBoXC.A.U2D.Fh0_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3839 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:55:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 322b1fe5edccf804931aa25c60c460ee > I was going to bring up my observation that the typical > upper-middle-class, > middle-aged, college-educated, slightly-arrogant, white-male audience > found > at most progressive rock shows bears a very strong resemblance to the > crowd > at a typical gay theater performance, > > You find out about the most interesting people on this list . . . > > From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:22 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 16:04:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAkcN-0006Qb-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:04:03 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980305235837.00cd3190@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 15:58:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Future Loop Cc: "Looper's Delight" Resent-Message-ID: <"bl-bN.A.mYF.Pxz_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3836 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:04:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 0d6eb62c5bd0942aef28ccce2009ebf1 At 04:21 PM 3/5/98 -0700, Scott Bullerwell wrote: >Kim asks: > >> Where is loop based music going? What directions will it be taking in the >> future? Not the gear, but the music itself! What compositional, >> improvisational, cultural, etc. directions are things heading in? Will it >> find more or less of a place in popular styles? Will it find more or less >of >> a place in 'high art' styles? What will it be? What might the loop >> innovators of tommorrow be doing? Remember, its a music question, not a >gear >> question..... > >I would venture the following: > >The distinction between music and not-music is about as clear as the >distinction between plants and weeds. [snip] >[Sorry that's vague and probably a cop-out, gotta agree there, sounded like you were writing a college thesis. No daring predictions? Not going out to the really thin ice? Well, no prizes for you and no corner office in the marketing department. Next contestant please! :-) kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:27 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 16:12:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAkk8-0007ZL-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:12:04 -0800 Message-ID: <34FF3E19.7B14FE7F@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 19:06:49 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andre@monmouth.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fred Frith References: <199803052127.QAA26528@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h30hfC.A.xBG.w1z_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3837 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:12:04 -0800 X-UIDL: f515907244a010055c5ac579277a58e8 I found this site ,very informative for me. http://prog.ari.net/prog/Bands/Frith/index.html Jeff > > From: Pete Koniuto > > Loopists, > > > > > > Can anyone here give me some idea of what he's done, > > different developmental periods in his career, > > > > I too would like to learn more about Frith > > peace, andre' e > > > > From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:41 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 17:06:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAlav-0006Ps-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:06:37 -0800 X-Sender: bkettles@sfpo.macromedia.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803052127.QAA26528@shell.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:57:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Buzz Kettles Subject: Re: Fred Frith Resent-Message-ID: <"iN0yjC.A.s7E.xo0_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3840 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:06:37 -0800 X-UIDL: e8c7f6008b6f56f5d848f84752e5fd9f Fred Frith was with Henry Cow in the 70's, then moved to NYCNY around '80 and started doing more improv/noisy/experimental/ stuff He's largely a guitarist with a blazing right hand & is very good at 'table' gtr. (see Live discs with Chris Cutler), but he also plays fine fiddle (violin) and bass (4 & 6 string) He played with Eno (magic & science), Bill Laswell's Material, Massacre, Golden Palominos (1st disc), Skeleton Crew, Dense Band, N. A.D. and LOTS of other wonderful noisy hybrid 'bands', duets, and has a bunch of solo records, etc. Check out Gravity or Speechless (solo CDs) for wonderful examples of his style of noise/jazz/gypsy stuff There's also a nice disc: Live at Victoriaville (w/Leussier(sp)) which is full of noisy scratchy gtr duets ... BTW - He also played some guitar on the FFKT - third song on the second side (the arpeggio gtr.) It was a fun band to see - I cought them here in the bay area at Ashkenas in Berkeley. There's an extensive list of his stuff at the ReR records web site: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/estate/jf23 There's also an online catalog linked from this ... BTW - the CD disc w/Kaiser is a compilation of 2 vinyls & an unreleased live album - the disc w/Marc Ribot is called "Subsonic 1: Sound of a Distant Episode" -Buzz >> From: Pete Koniuto >> Loopists, >> >> I've seen/heard Fred Frith's name pop up in numerous >> interesting contexts, but don't think i have ever >> actually heard his music. >> >> Can anyone here give me some idea of what he's done, >> different developmental periods in his career, >> contributions to looping, good recordings to start out >> with, collaborator's, etc? > Much obliged, much obliged,> Pete Koniuto > >I too would like to learn more about Frith -i've seen him live in a duo >with John Zorn, it was really cool - and i have some stuff he's released - >some with Henry Kaiser ("with enemies like these, who needs friends") and a >string quartet CD. >To me, he's another key guitarist in the whole ground-breaking >experimental/roots area. And a champion of the improvisational spirit. He >plays some bass on some other stuff, like the Frith, French, Kaiser, >Thompson disc - which i strangely didn't enjoy the first couple listens. >anyone else have thoughts on this CD??? I never got into Richard Thompson - >i think it's the singing, cos i love his guitar work... > >peace, andre' e >> >> Buzz Kettles - buzz@macromedia.com Director, Shockwave, SWA and Audio R&D From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:44 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 17:37:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAm5A-0002Fu-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:37:52 -0800 Message-ID: <004001bd489f$b92d5e00$5623dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:32:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Dl4XVD.A.1qB.QK1_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3842 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:37:52 -0800 X-UIDL: b84ef043d5755c07855e0f1f6fdfb302 I was going to originally say "I won't touch that with...", but best to say nothing... ;) Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:45 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 17:51:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAmHx-0003vK-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:51:05 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:45:25 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: RE: prog rock--is it homoerotic? In-Reply-To: <199803052355.PAA28270@scv1.apple.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"PW51AD.A.8ED.yV1_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3843 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:51:05 -0800 X-UIDL: a6bb136f2da0dc56828a50929b5c185c On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, T.W. Hartnett wrote: > >Actually there would probably be more women at the gay theater > >performance... > > And much cuter guys. ...who have better personal hygiene and social skills. -Adam (guy who organizes prog rock shows) --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:45 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 18:00:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAmQV-0005BR-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:59:55 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:48:35 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fred Frith In-Reply-To: <34FF3E19.7B14FE7F@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"nxbXgC.A.yfD.3Y1_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3844 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:59:55 -0800 X-UIDL: ce6174de8136aef5da8c5ec81981cdf6 On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Jeff Duke wrote: > I found this site ,very informative for me. > http://prog.ari.net/prog/Bands/Frith/index.html Actually that page resides on my web site, but it hasn't been updated by the author in quite a while. Better to check out www.fredfrith.com -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Thu Mar 05 08:25:14 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 08:10:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAdE7-0002DK-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:10:31 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980305174907.27dfb618@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 17:49:07 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Kim's Musical "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"CTdg7C.A.MsB.32s_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3806 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:10:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 2798894e71bd70e54e562cfffbb42050 Todd: >The theory is this: anything with an ape-like, crusty, hairy, >gnarled barnacle on the rusty ship-prow aspect causes the fair >sex to go running out of the room. My wife seems to avoid my entire music collection, period. However, I've picked up on various new musics by taking her to Celtic concerts. Especially when some Celtic harp music sounds more like RF than RF!! :) But I'll admit that agreeing to take her to see Elton John and Billy Joel together is just to collect Brownie points.... >Face it - some of the stuff that we like just makes people want >to be far away. I remember when alt.music.progressive wanted to change its name to encompass musicians like Phillip Glass. Someone suggested alt.music.difficult.listening .... On a different subject, Jim Poppen advised us about: > Bill Frisell... Lopping Maniac Makes one worry about what kind of "axe" he's using.... :) Michael From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:48 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 18:05:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAmVf-0005u7-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:05:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:51:17 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Fred Frith Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803052052_MC2-35B1-4C2C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"M6yIN.A.SBE.gc1_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3846 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:05:15 -0800 X-UIDL: b57c44a6d4e812851b3104a5840cab55 Pete Koniuto wrote: > I've seen/heard Fred Frith's name pop up in numerous interesting contexts, but don't think i have ever actually heard his music. Can anyone here give me some idea of what he's done, different developmental periods in his career, contributions to looping, good recordings to start out with, collaborator's, etc?< Fred Frith has done all sorts of stuff, he's been around for quite a while, too. There was a good interview with him in the Wire recently (Jan. ?) and I think his most interesting current project is his Guitar Quartet. He's also famous for being a founding member of Brit avant rockers Henry Cow and for playing bass in Naked City. However, the best way to get to know him is by seeing the film (Art-umentary) "Step Across the Border" which is based around him, his travels and his music. I personally found the file extremely inspiring and my girlfriend dug it, too. And heck, I've got children now (na ... OK jus' one) ... C-C-C-C-C-C i a o Rob P.S. check out his site: http://www.fredfrith.com/ P.P.S. I gave away the Frith/Kaiser/Etc. CD shortly after buying it - talk about flat jokes (Surfin' USA ?!?). One thing about Frith is that he has put out some rather dubious stuff - sort of "the idea was really coll, but the recording didn't capture it". But then again there is some really awesome stuff like the Massacre CD w. B. Laswell and F. Maher. Blaaaaaaaa From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:47 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 18:05:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAmVZ-0005t8-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:05:09 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:51:20 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Future loop music (was: Love lorne whiners) Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803052052_MC2-35B1-4C2F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"83Qc8B.A.3AE.cc1_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3845 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:05:09 -0800 X-UIDL: c73f3834e10ae8a6b1ec90fa5cb437ea Kim wrote: >Where is loop based music going? What directions will it be taking in the future? Not the gear, but the music itself! What compositional, improvisational, cultural, etc. directions are things heading in? Will it find more or less of a place in popular styles? Will it find more or less of a place in 'high art' styles? What will it be? What might the loop innovators of tommorrow be doing? Remember, its a music question, not a gear question.....< Well, I guess as soon as we snobby middle-class frat boys realize that looping has ALREADY found a place in popular styles (hip-hop, techno, d'n'b, house, blues, african drumming), we'll be on to the next frontier of *smart boy* music. And you'd better believe that I'm waiting for sum otha boys to come 'n' have a look at my rig ... ;-) Rob P.S. my girlfriend's been reading the love lorne loopers thread secretly ... From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:50 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 18:06:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAmWr-00064k-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:06:29 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: contestant nr2: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 02:52:33 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd48a2$879606a0$cd014382@hovard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"upAzND.A.4KE.ed1_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3847 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:06:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 630a70b70f07b19c0e90a94ea9e0bd11 Kim , you have a gift with starting the best threads!! on the homoerotic-prog-audience thingy I have this to say: (consider me contestant nmr 2.) Ever since Eddie Van Halen came on the scene in the late 70`s and up to the breakthrough of Nirvana in the nineties the commercial guitarculture has been largely homoerotic in use of image And musical content. I am refering , of course , to that group of guitarists affectionately called "wankers",by the commoners. Most , if not all heavy/rock bands of the eighties sported a guitarist withmakeup and tight leatherpants. This is not that important too me , after all , fashion changes. But musically , the popular way of playing guitar between Van H and Nirvana is built on speed and intensity. The ideal beeing that Mysterious Warrior that came in from the storm with his Axe in hand , Ready To Rock (tm) at any moment. Unleashing viscous and erupting runs and licks. A Punisher , A Wildman , A demon!!!! Macho , macho , macho was very important.Not to mention macho. If you add these ideals to the image of the guitarists with Thight leather pants , big pouting red lips , steelchains around the waist and a guitar that looks like its made to penetrate bodily cavities , WHADDYA GET????? Homoerotic expression. There , this is what I have to say on the subject.....:) yours , Thomas W ( the norwegian viking , axe in hand , ready to rawk at any mo.....) From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:52 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 19:03:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAnPw-0004Kj-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:03:24 -0800 Message-ID: <34FF66E0.646699AF@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 22:00:48 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fred Frith References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"33OaID.A.3MD.1X2_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3848 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:03:25 -0800 X-UIDL: f624cb3acc7cf09f5f89d5bfd3e68bf2 Thanks for that,even better.I think I got the other at The Knitting Factory. Jeff Adam Levin wrote: > On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Jeff Duke wrote: > > > I found this site ,very informative for me. > > http://prog.ari.net/prog/Bands/Frith/index.html > > Actually that page resides on my web site, but it hasn't been updated by > the author in quite a while. Better to check out www.fredfrith.com > > -Adam > > --- > "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, > out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one > becomes a Hearer." > - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:52 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 19:38:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAnxi-0007Vp-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:38:18 -0800 Message-ID: <34FF708D.3692@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 19:42:05 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Profiles page Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cmi3WB.A.moG.Z72_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3849 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:38:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 7de7601372b723a6a1ffc1615cd8e23d (Warning -- this post contains no content pertaining to Stanley Jordan, relationship woes, homoeroticism in progressive rock fandom, or prognostications as to the future of music!) Just wanted to offer forth thanks to Chris for his work in setting up the user-friendly version of the profiles pages on the web site! I wonder what Michael and Kim will do with all their free time now... From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:39:07 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 20:01:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAoKO-0002G1-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:01:44 -0800 Message-ID: <001801bd48b3$f2bf2180$c822dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: contestant nr2: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:57:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"pMEuCD.A.LsB.WR3_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3850 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:01:44 -0800 X-UIDL: b852016ecc7b86babed3d02819812ad1 Woehni opined: >Ever since Eddie Van Halen came on the scene in the late 70`s and up to the breakthrough >of Nirvana in the nineties ..... (time passes...) >...The ideal beeing that Mysterious Warrior that came in from the storm with his Axe in hand , Ready To Rock (tm) at any moment. Unleashing viscous and erupting >runs and licks. A Punisher , A Wildman , A demon!!!! Macho , macho , macho was very important.Not to mention macho. If you add these ideals to the image of the guitarists with >Thight leather pants , big pouting red lips , steelchains around the waist and a guitar that looks like its made to penetrate bodily cavities , WHADDYA GET????? > >Homoerotic expression. WRONG, buffalo breath! All of the above fails to mention the WOMEN - most of 'em in their teens like the male attendees - that were inexplicably attracted to (and here's the formula): 1. Tight leather pants (sporting armadillos most likely) 2. Big, pouting, red lips 3. Steel chains everywhere, not just the waist 4. Big hair And, while I've not been to a Cinderella/Pos'in/Ratt concert in this universe, stories regarding their groupies were somewhat common in those days... FEMALE groupies, kids. The talk about the main audiences being composed of boys may well be a smoke screen for the fact that many of the bands-in-question were very organized in getting women from the audience for after-show parties... Somehow I don't think America's Dads are ready to admit that was happening... [snicker] So, homoeroticism? Bullocks! Even the New York Dolls knew that something about the androgynous look attracted the 'more sophisticated' ladies.. :) Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:39:16 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 21:37:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yApob-0002QO-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:37:01 -0800 Message-ID: <34FF7C10.3A129049@artnet.net> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:31:10 -0700 From: "Eric R. Fischer" Reply-To: efisch@artnet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: Roland G202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gkmHND.A.Q7B.5q4_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3851 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:37:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 03baf278aa3a4eff9090a07e54fc82b0 Roland G202 guitar (works with GR100, GR300, GR700) for sale - $250.00 + shipping. Strat style. Torqouise, maple neck & fingerboard, 2)Seymour Duncan "Invader" humbuckers, good shape w/ohsc. Eric (213)664-5632 From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:39:16 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 21:47:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yApyO-0003RE-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:47:08 -0800 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 00:44:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803060544.AAA20753@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: cheeseheads/open letter to Torn (was: "I don't think she's very nice") Resent-Message-ID: <"gLwZg.A.a3C.l04_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3852 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:47:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 93f5775bb87c74c6658b3d0395b01d7f At 02:15 PM 3/5/98 -0600, Mike wrote: > >Don't suppose DT would want to play in Green Bay WI ?? > > > > DOH, Dat sounds like a fellow cheesehead to me--grew up in Appleton and in my teens, used to ride my bike through the rolling farm lands (stopping at the numerous tiny bars for cold Old Style's) to Green Bay to see such noted looping acts as Heart, Foghat, Blue Oyster Cult and . . . (gulp) KISS (damn, now I really can't run for President) Texture, if you played the Auditorium there, it'd give me an excuse to visit my mom . .. and I could get drunk on blackberry brandy and hang over the balcony, flailing a burning Bic lighter, screaming at the top of my lungs, "Cloud over Mercury", DUUUDE!" hmmmm . . .maybe you ought to play St. Louis instead ;) Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:00 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 12:46:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAhX7-0004jU-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:46:25 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980305222251.0ce7b78c@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 22:22:51 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Love lorne loopers(was slagging) In-Reply-To: <199803051639.JAA12885@hyper.dimensional.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kPpDR.A.3qD.M3w_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3822 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:46:25 -0800 X-UIDL: a3b48ef82bccc9b73d7fd3d0861a5e60 Scott: >This whole "my wife listens exclusively to Ratt and/or John Tesh and >doesn't understand me and is frightened by my music" thing is kind of >uncomfortable. I'm sorry you guys married un-adventurous listeners, and >I'm glad you can commiserate. Hey, this is bonding, OK? >[Gloat Mode] ...I would point out that I often eat lunch with a beautiful >young woman (you might know her, actually) and we talk about Fripp, van der >Graaf Generator, the nerdy details of miking drums and placing them in a >mix, chordal harmony, subtle timbral differences in backwards waveforms, >microtonalism, etc. Look, the only people I have to talk to about such things is youse guys..... > And Bob Forbid I should come across as one more sanctimonious prog rock dickhead ^^^^^^^^^^ ROTFL!!! Michael Ob. Music stuff - thanks to all the stick crowd out there!! From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:38:01 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 12:50:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAhbD-0005KM-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:50:39 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980305222531.29df03c0@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 22:25:31 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: AW: Love lorne loopers(was slagging) In-Reply-To: <199803051351_MC2-35A7-F5D6@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"4i-b3B.A.UBE.q5w_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3823 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:50:39 -0800 X-UIDL: d43a959a020973e7e042f89586a53404 the other Michael: >Let's get back to talking gear, ok? Nope; this thread was started by none other than Kim hisself, so it's official!!! >>I'm quite used to not finding ANYONE, male or female, musician or >>non-musician, who shares my taste for Happy Family and Djam Karet and >>obscure Bruford solo albums and rare PFM import vinyl and Glenn Branca >>discs. >You'd find most of Bruford, PFM, and Glenn Branca in my record collection. Hmm.... is Scott your type? ;) Michael From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 00:39:18 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 5 22:35:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAqjS-0007Mq-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:35:46 -0800 Message-ID: <000901bd48c9$930756c0$8622dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: cheeseheads/open letter to Torn (was: "I don't think she's very nice") Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:31:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"0mExVC.A.loG.Xi5_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3853 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:35:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 307e400eb432bc3e8afbb7ad5ab4fe9f Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net reminisced: > used to ride my bike through the rolling farm lands (stopping at the numerous tiny bars for cold Old Style's) to Green Bay to see such noted looping acts as Heart, Foghat, Blue Oyster Cult and . . . (gulp) KISS (damn, now I really can't run for President) < Now you know better than to say something like that...! You can do a lot worse and STAY President, by current standards (or lack thereof)... :) Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 02:16:27 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 00:55:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAsug-0007Hw-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 00:55:30 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:52:50 +0000 Message-ID: <000ED6F2.001424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Re[2]: Fred Frith To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"6-mUjB.A.koG.Am7_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3854 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 00:55:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 6a7034927990f1dcc7213ab858b5ff95 I'm only really familiar with Fred's work from the period of Henry Cow (for whom I failed the audition as bassist!) up to the Art Bears, but if you ever see a copy of his GUITAR SOLOS (1974 - Caroline in the UK), then invest immediately. Its some while since I've heard it, but I suspect at last part of it was recorded with some form of tape delay device (the original sleeve notes comment that most/all performances are live apart from one track which had two notes edited out) - anyone know anything more on this? I recall he used various `prepared' guitar techniques - alligator clips on the strings etc, but also had an additional pick-up attached to the head stock of his guitar, which could `pick up' the sound of the string's vibrations from `behind' the left hand fingers, achieving a duet/harmonised effect (sort of). GUITAR SOLOS 2 (with G.F. Fitzgerald, Hans Reichel, and Derek Bailey) had a few diagrams of recording techniques - placing speakers under a piano's lid and taping the resonance etc. plus David From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 10:27:34 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 02:20:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAuEY-0003TR-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 02:20:06 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34FF708D.3692@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 01:37:52 -0800 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Profiles page Resent-Message-ID: <"KaetpD.A.czC.tz8_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3855 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 02:20:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 4014a359da717d49bad35a2fee57c9cf At 7:42 PM -0800 3/5/98, Andre LaFosse wrote: >(Warning -- this post contains no content pertaining to Stanley Jordan, >relationship woes, homoeroticism in progressive rock fandom, or >prognostications as to the future of music!) jeez, you're no fun.... >Just wanted to offer forth thanks to Chris for his work in setting up >the user-friendly version of the profiles pages on the web site! Yes, definitely! Chris did a great job on that. Michael and I will definitely appreciate this! thanks again, Chris! Also, this is a fine time to once again say that the quality of Looper's Delight is up to you folks. If you can think of something to contribute to the web site, please offer it up! The more people get involved, the better it gets. The many who have contributed things so far are what makes the site as nice as it is today. >I wonder what Michael and Kim will do with all their free time now... It looks like I will get to continue filling it with many pleasurable hours of reexplaining how to use the subscribe/unsubscribe commands on the server..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 10:27:36 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 02:20:25 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAuEp-0003W0-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 02:20:23 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803052052_MC2-35B1-4C2F@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 02:04:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Future loop music (was: Love lorne whiners) Resent-Message-ID: <"fGvUu.A.80C.3z8_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3856 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 02:20:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 470c3661083ec6221d3d06eedc238da1 At 8:51 PM -0500 3/5/98, R & T Cummings wrote: >Kim wrote: >>Where is loop based music going? What directions will it be taking in the >future? Not the gear, but the music itself! What compositional, >improvisational, cultural, etc. directions are things heading in? Will it >find more or less of a place in popular styles? Will it find more or less >of >a place in 'high art' styles? What will it be? What might the loop >innovators of tommorrow be doing? Remember, its a music question, not a >gear >question.....< > >Well, I guess as soon as we snobby middle-class frat boys realize that >looping has ALREADY found a place in popular styles (hip-hop, techno, >d'n'b, house, blues, african drumming), hmmm, that sounds somehow familiar......;-) >we'll be on to the next frontier of *smart boy* >music. And you'd better believe that I'm waiting for sum otha boys to come >'n' have a look at my rig ... ;-) ok, so what might these smart boys be doing in this next looping frontier? Anyone want to hazard a guess? Conjecture a bit? Fortell our future? Where do all these looping techniques and ideas go from here? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 10:27:53 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 04:28:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAwEL-0000bg-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 04:28:01 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , Subject: SV: contestant nr2: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:23:48 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd48fa$b6f56000$30014382@hovard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"SRK-4.A._V.Lt-_0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3857 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 04:28:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 9e10e4f50f1fddb827778bfd60eff330 > >WRONG, buffalo breath! All of the above fails to mention the WOMEN - most >of 'em in their teens like the male attendees - that were inexplicably >attracted to (and here's the formula): > >1. Tight leather pants (sporting armadillos most likely) >2. Big, pouting, red lips >3. Steel chains everywhere, not just the waist >4. Big hair > >And, while I've not been to a Cinderella/Pos'in/Ratt concert in this >universe, stories regarding their groupies were somewhat common in those >days... FEMALE groupies, kids. The talk about the main audiences being >composed of boys may well be a smoke screen for the fact that many of the >bands-in-question were very organized in getting women from the audience for >after-show parties... Somehow I don't think America's Dads are ready to >admit that was happening... [snicker] > >So, homoeroticism? Bullocks! Even the New York Dolls knew that something >about the androgynous look attracted the 'more sophisticated' ladies.. :) > Hi Stephen , you make a good point. A very good point. There where a LOT of women involved in the imagery and the ongoings of a tour . On the other hand , I`m not saying that ANY of the musician in question actually WERE gay. Maybe homoerotic expression was used subconscously by the bands to GET the girls???? Anyway , Ill stop now. Im not really talking about looping , am I ??? Yours , Thomas W >Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! >EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > > From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 10:28:07 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 06:16:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAxvB-0005uq-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 06:16:21 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: Jamma`m and WarTech`s Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:11:43 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4909$ca852a60$26424382@hovard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"YEbmUD.A.lSF.eSAA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3858 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 06:16:21 -0800 X-UIDL: eeded5b3fd3ef78a45d019a0b27d2d82 Hi , folks! I recently saw a thread about the jamman with an ADA footcontroller and I felt a wave of questions rushing thorugh me. This is my rig: Jamman and vortex , Rocktron Patchmate and Midimate , a grungy (And defect) ole` tape echo from roland and cascades of even grungier ole` pedals. (Rat,FuzzFace , ibanez autowah , Boss Octave and vibrato, rocktron tremolo,and other noize toyz) Behringer Guitar denoiser Alesis Midiverb and MidiFex ( they sound like a reversed sigarette. Amazing!) E-bow My amp is a Mesa caliber .50. My guitars are Ibanez As 120 (a 335 copy) and a Norwegian buildt Strat copy with Lindy Fralin and Evans mic`s.... I play mostly Standard Jazz , Realbook type stuff. My own songs fall into a sort of cool jazz tradition from the 50` 60`. Looping in this context is difficult for me , but try....by gum , I try........ I like the sounds I get from all this but I have a major problem: How can I make it simple to use in a bandsituation?? I used to show up an hour early at rehearsals to hook up all my pedals , change batteries , make it work and so forth..... To get past this I bought the Pathcmate and midimate. My plan is to put all my pedals inside my rack and switch them in/out of the signal chain via the patchmate. And to control this I have the midimate. Has anyone worked with the Patch/midimate?? If so , ANY ideas you`d like to share would be very welcomed. I am wondering `bout the expression pedal input on the midimate; what can I do with that?? On the subject of expressionpedals: Does anyone know of a good pedal?? I am looking for a large pedal (to go with my gargantuan feet) with long "travel time"(for lack of better word).....Since I live in norway I`m not looking for a pedal FOR SALE , but rather the name and brand of a good pedal that I can look for over here. (as we all know the vortex is amazing with an exp. ped. so I hope this is not too off topic for ya`all.) A final question: Does more than one type of exp. pedal exist? See , Im picturing a scenario where I buy a pedal , come home and plug it in and nothing happens....Then , when I call the store they say: " great googley moogley!!! Y`shoould have toold uus it was for one o` them Gittars!! Yoou git da OTHER kind of pedal , da one that doesn`t woik for them there Gittars." Ignorance is not bliss , lemme tell ya , coz I dont feel very happy when it comes to dealing with the musicstore-guys...... :-) On a different subject: Both the vortex and the patchmate have the ability to switch channels on my amp. Which one do you recomend I use? Is there a way for me to control some of the functions on the Jamma`m/WarTech`s via the midimate? like that ADA box could start and stop the loop function..... And Finally: could one of you come over to my place and hook all this up??? ( bring coffee , I`m dumb. :-) ) Yours truly , Thomas W Oslo , Norway From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 10:28:16 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 06:45:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAyNY-000092-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 06:45:40 -0800 Message-ID: <35000B6F.B9720DC5@uhavax.hartford.edu> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 09:42:55 -0500 From: jonathan matis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: New York / New England loopers... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DA_-HC.A.9LH.8tAA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3859 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 06:45:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 0a70f715ee8a0323af42a60522b9c2d8 Hello. I'm looking for collaborators. I play guitar and some keyboards, a damaged clarinet, and other odds and ends. Last year, I posted a message looking for folks in Texas (where I lived at the time) and was quite fortunate to meet up with Travis Hartnett. Our collaborations worked out very well - we did a number of performances in odd venues and on the air around Austin. (he's still doing very well and performing often, using the name Tiktok) Now I live in Connecticut, and I'm looking for like minded odd-ball improvisers. I live in Stamford - which is not far from NYC, and I'm in school in Hartford, so I'm there several days a week. Anyone interested? Please contact me directly so we don't clog up the list with this... Thanks! Jonathan Matis matis@uhavax.hartford.edu (203) 324-4494 From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 10:28:22 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 07:12:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAynj-0002E8-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:12:43 -0800 Message-ID: <003401bd4912$20b03620$cef0ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Plex Warranty Info?? Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:11:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"bVkdsB.A.HxB._GBA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3860 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:12:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 508b1a2e6b315f638305cd91bdc59425 Did anyone who bought one of the newly shipped 'Plexes get any kind of warranty registration info with it? I bought both the Plex and footswitch from Thoroughbred Music, and other than the manual, there was no registration card for either..is there supposed to be? Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 10:28:31 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 07:29:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAz4P-0003pD-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:29:57 -0800 Message-ID: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F590@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Kim Flint' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Future loop music -- what will it sound like? Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:24:27 -0500 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"SH-og.A.1HD.JWBA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3861 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:29:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 8743c160f207c5bc526f500cc145b22c Gosh. I tried asking this to a few forums (including L-Delight) a month or two ago. The best answer I got was from a philosopher friend. She pointed out the question of the day we're all facing is this: What is the desirable role / place for technology? So, my speculation is one key feature we'll find in all our "innovators of tomorrow" will be "surprises" in the way they address using technology. But, this says very little about the music, I know. The question Kim is posing is what we might be hearing - not how it is produced. I'll bet innovators in loop-based music of tomorrow will make loop music NOT SOUND like loop-based music. The "loop" will become less and less recognizable. More and more seamless and less and less synthetic. We'll go through a "realism" phase, is my guess. After that...? David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@chromatic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 4:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Future loop music (was: Love lorne whiners) Where is loop based music going? What directions will it be taking in the future? Not the gear, but the music itself! What compositional, improvisational, cultural, etc. directions are things heading in? Will it find more or less of a place in popular styles? Will it find more or less of a place in 'high art' styles? What will it be? What might the loop innovators of tommorrow be doing? Remember, its a music question, not a gear question..... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 10:28:36 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 07:49:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yAzNM-0005ck-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:49:32 -0800 Message-ID: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F591@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Scott Bullerwell' , Looper's Delight Subject: RE: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:45:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"AmIU6B.A.N7E.bpBA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3862 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:49:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 9d1e50a2bad38a221959238f5ad9b177 Differences between yer typical Crimson punter and yer typical gay theatre punter? How about: facial hair choices length of hair vision correction choices various fashion choices -----Original Message----- From: Scott Bullerwell [SMTP:tanelorn@dimensional.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 6:25 PM To: Looper's Delight Subject: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Kim notes: > I was going to bring up my observation that the typical upper-middle-class, > middle-aged, college-educated, slightly-arrogant, white-male audience found > at most progressive rock shows bears a very strong resemblance to the crowd > at a typical gay theater performance I wanted to add my voice to yours on the Stanley Jordan issue, but managed to keep it in check. This time however, I gotta publicly and loudly agree with you. Shall we now ask the question: why the HELL is that? Scott From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 10:28:42 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 08:35:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB05l-0002Lt-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:35:25 -0800 Date: 6 Mar 1998 16:31:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19980306163115.1706.qmail@omni2.voicenet.com> From: floyd@voicenet.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Future loop music Resent-Message-ID: <"wS3g5C.A.-rB.cTCA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3863 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:35:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 539728432dd123466373339028f04aba David Kirkdorffer's comments about a "realism phase" are interesting. I can imagine loops that not only don't sound like loops but evolve in some intelligent and predetermined (or perhaps random) way. The loops' evolution might include a combination of phrasing, harmonics, timbre and composition. But doesn't this start to sound like using technology as a compositional tool? Ok, this thread is supposed to avoid discussing specific technology, per se. I think the application of looping to create ambient, atmospehric, trance like (ok repetitive) music will always be around. The use of looping will probably begin to find it's way into more genres of music, perhaps even into pop music. And new genres of music will continue to develop, some out of the use of technology. But creativity in both music and technology will continue to flow, hand-in-hand. New ideas in composition and musical directions will provide incentive for new applications of technology. And new technology will provide inspiration for those who use it. Personally, my tastes lead me in two directions, musically. I enjoy listening to and making music that has both an ethereal and an emotional quality. Two examples are Blues and Ambient Space music. Both have repetetive aspects that provide looportunities. The fusion (oooo sorry to use that word) of those is my current direction. From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 10:28:44 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 08:45:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB0F3-0003dP-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:45:01 -0800 Message-ID: <350026AC.56A5@netvigator.com> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 00:39:08 +0800 From: Alan Reply-To: alanip@netvigator.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Plex Warranty Info?? References: <003401bd4912$20b03620$cef0ffd0@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"l92Ji.A.vxC.ubCA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3864 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:45:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 019334d5ab86c85dcea0f02d21544555 future perfect wrote: > > Did anyone who bought one of the newly shipped 'Plexes get any kind of > warranty registration info with it? Good point. In fact I have been waiting too long for the delivery (over half a year) and totally forget any about warranty (too excited when I got it). I know Oberheim were rushing for the order and fortunately they did not forget to put the Echoplex in the box. Anyway, I know a guy called Pat Murphy who is in charge of Echoplex. You may send a email (through Gibson's web site) or give him a ring. Alan From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 10:28:50 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 09:21:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB0o9-0007eL-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:21:17 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:14:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: SV: contestant nr2: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Resent-Message-ID: <"_QD7lB.A.EuG.q-CA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3865 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:21:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 5e271cd3415f27b9760bce00a5b3ed7d > Hi Stephen , you make a good point. A very good point. There where a LOT >of women involved in the imagery and the ongoings of a tour . On the >other hand , I`m not saying >that ANY of the musician in question actually WERE gay. Maybe homoerotic >expression was used subconscously by the bands to GET the girls???? > Didn't anyone else notice Rob Halford's (Judas Priest vocalist) recent coming out in the press? This is getting a long ways from the land of loops. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 10:28:58 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 10:16:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB1fq-0005ZS-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:16:46 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E1FF9@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Future loop music Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:05:22 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"CB0Bz.A.DdE.ewDA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3866 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:16:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 89463ad00566f4af83e1d48340124502 Future o' Looping. I think that it's kinda hard to discuss this solely as MUSIC-particulary because, as noted before in e-mails here, everyone has a slightly different idea of what music actually consists of. Perhaps it's easier to deal with the question as looking at potential different applications of technology. For ME this will probably break down into two (discrete?) areas. 1. LIve looping as one tool amongst many in freely improvised music situations-both solo and in group situations. Possible loop areas/textures (not necessarily "written") as springboards of improvs or half-written/half-improv pieces. 2. Looping that is somehow woven into "song" structures or other more formally constructed pieces of music. Also including possible editing/cutting&pasting, via computer software, of loops as basic building blocks/sections of pieces. Almost like musique concrete, I suppose. (Grey Area: I do some looping in the chorus sections of a friend's song . . . but there are a lot of free-improv tendencies in this band to begin with.) Optimally, it seems that the looping in these situations would be in service to the music "at hand"-in other words "constructing" the loops to fit either the "song" or the flow of the improvisation. So much for my attempt at this question . . . From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 10:29:00 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 10:20:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB1jE-000641-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:20:16 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD4901.E2459D90@TD-300> From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Future loop music Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:14:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD4901.E2908940" Resent-Message-ID: <"ctZgH.A.FrE.IyDA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3867 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:20:16 -0800 X-UIDL: a9ead0145aac6609140200336c0876ca The blues will always be with us in a lot of varied musical outputs. Blues is somethin that is still omnipresent throughout a lot of diverse "Pop Cultures" . I kinda think Brian Eno is on to what the future will look like in terms of what the musical methods and textures will take congeal around. He mentions in some article I read ( Wired Magazine, if I recall ) Music that isn't even based on musicians actively playing and/or rather I say a music that is based on the possibility of what you may play or think of playing in a particular circumstance or setting is sorta where we are headed (IMHO). Generative Music seems like a logical next step for most Popular musics to take ( especially and eventually loop based stuff too ) based on the methods and cultural imperatives we currently produce and place Popular or Genre related music around. -----Original Message----- From: floyd@voicenet.com [SMTP:floyd@voicenet.com] Sent: Friday, March 06, 1998 11:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Future loop music David Kirkdorffer's comments about a "realism phase" are interesting. I can imagine loops that not only don't sound like loops but evolve in some intelligent and predetermined (or perhaps random) way. The loops' evolution might include a combination of phrasing, harmonics, timbre and composition. But doesn't this start to sound like using technology as a compositional tool? Ok, this thread is supposed to avoid discussing specific technology, per se. I think the application of looping to create ambient, atmospehric, trance like (ok repetitive) music will always be around. The use of looping will probably begin to find it's way into more genres of music, perhaps even into pop music. And new genres of music will continue to develop, some out of the use of technology. But creativity in both music and technology will continue to flow, hand-in-hand. New ideas in composition and musical directions will provide incentive for new applications of technology. And new technology will provide inspiration for those who use it. Personally, my tastes lead me in two directions, musically. I enjoy listening to and making music that has both an ethereal and an emotional quality. Two examples are Blues and Ambient Space music. Both have repetetive aspects that provide looportunities. The fusion (oooo sorry to use that word) of those is my current direction. From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 10:29:10 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 10:28:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB1qp-0007BE-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:28:07 -0800 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:16:44 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: AW: Fred Frith Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199803061317_MC2-35CE-F89A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"UJkhDC.A.RhF.R4DA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3868 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:28:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 33ca89dda5bc1b37a44e8a313f91816a Fred Frith is one of the big innovators of music in the late 20th century. He had a profound influence on many musicians and even musical styles. >the best way to get to know him is by seeing the film >(Art-umentary) "Step Across the Border" which is based >around him, his travels and his music. I personally found >the film extremely inspiring totally agreed, absolutely check it out. I still remember a concert during a German jazz festival back in 1986 where Fred Frith played with John Zorn, Arto Lindsay, David Moss, and a couple other famous 'New York Noise' people. It was one of those rare moments. I wouldn't have expected this to happen with totally free music but I found myself so deeply moved that I was crying. My current favourite is the Fred Frith Guitar Quartet. Absolutely wonderful (but you must see it live, the live CD doesn't capture it) provided that you're an adventurous spirit musically. michael peters mpeters@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters.htm From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 11:35:57 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 10:41:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB23q-00019V-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:41:34 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: SV: contestant nr2: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:34:12 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd492e$75b28940$4d014382@hovard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"I9FZ0D.A.wY.ZIEA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3869 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:41:34 -0800 X-UIDL: bb3f0a4e7a30508b5ea392a79401ca2a >Didn't anyone else notice Rob Halford's (Judas Priest vocalist) recent >coming out in the press? > Hi (private mail , we are off topic :) Are you serious , Rob Halford is gay? Thomas........ From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 11:47:55 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 11:46:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB345-0000cL-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:45:53 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <350026AC.56A5@netvigator.com> References: <003401bd4912$20b03620$cef0ffd0@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:52:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Plex Warranty Info?? Resent-Message-ID: <"G3tgh.A.1jG.DAFA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3871 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:45:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 30874c89d1bda2d8948dc2da6adb1788 >future perfect wrote: >> >> Did anyone who bought one of the newly shipped 'Plexes get any kind of >> warranty registration info with it? > >Good point. In fact I have been waiting too long for the delivery (over >half a year) and totally forget any about warranty (too excited when I >got it). > >I know Oberheim were rushing for the order and fortunately they did not >forget to put the Echoplex in the box. > >Anyway, I know a guy called Pat Murphy who is in charge of Echoplex. You >may send a email (through Gibson's web site) or give him a ring. Pat Murphy he reads the list sometimes, too. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 11:47:55 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 11:45:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB340-0000bN-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:45:48 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:57:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: SV: contestant nr2: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Resent-Message-ID: <"2HBabC.A.NkG.FAFA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3872 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:45:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 44794b1290cc247a3ffbbb815617cbab >> Hi Stephen , you make a good point. A very good point. There where a LOT >>of women involved in the imagery and the ongoings of a tour . On the >>other hand , I`m not saying >>that ANY of the musician in question actually WERE gay. Maybe homoerotic >>expression was used subconscously by the bands to GET the girls???? >> >Didn't anyone else notice Rob Halford's (Judas Priest vocalist) recent >coming out in the press? no, are you serious??? I've wondered about that for years! That's exactly who I was thinking of through this whole stupid thread. He was doing the leather and motorcycle thing long before it entered any of the cultural mainstream....now, anybody remember Accept? "London Leatherboys" "Balls to the Wall" etc.? ok, nevermind, don't answer that. let's move on..... >This is getting a long ways from the land of loops. totally agree there..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 06 11:36:26 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 11:15:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB2aC-0004mC-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:15:00 -0800 Message-Id: <98Mar6.140706est.18825@thicket.arbortext.com> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:01:14 -0500 From: David White Reply-To: dwhite@arbortext.com Organization: Arbortext Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Future loop music References: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E1FF9@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D8-YzC.A.9xD.snEA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3870 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:15:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 0840c573539870c1db2d05b883e9a75f I like the opportunity that looping enables (since it doesn't use up traditional recording resources such as tape or hard disk space and provide instananeous and continuous sound) to capture something unique, accidental and or impossible to duplicate. Of course it also provides a new source of frustration when that cool accidental riff is lost because of a bad overdub (I have a jamman and currently just drool over the plex's undo feature) or chunky boot hits the reset button "accidentally." Accidental music is a good and clever name but it is a little misleading. I don't accidentally make the music, I accidentally make good music.... No, wait... that's not quite right either. I accidentally make good music that no amount of fore thought or planning could make. It captures the tension between two polor opposite concepts and is very thing that I love about music: Improvisation: which gives it a unique flavor for being ALIVE and organic. Repetition: which enables the recognition and familiarity that makes Pop music Popular, and tones the improvisation down (as compared to the never ending changes of live improvisation) Of course these same ideas can provide crap. But there looping aside, there is never any shortage of crappy music. And besides: Crap is in the bowl of the beholder... or something like that. d/-\\/e "wishing I was home - looping now" From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:11:34 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 14:17:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB5RC-0000cv-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:17:54 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:13:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Looper Profiles (attn: Bishop, Devito & Rockwell) Resent-Message-ID: <"AWQOeB.A.5C.AUHA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3874 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:17:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 08c342ad210c4cc001d4cb152f8ac2f4 There were several people who did not have email address listed in their profile, so I was not able to email them their login passwords. They are: PJ Bishop Bobby Devito Teed Rockwell If you have a profile, but did not receive your login info, please email me and I will send it to you. - chris p.s. thanks for the compliments! Appreciation is appreciated! Hope it proves to be useful. From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:11:32 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 13:22:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB4Z3-0002ny-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:21:57 -0800 Message-Id: <98Mar6.151611cst.26882@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: pmurphy@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:19:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Pat Murphy Subject: Re: Plex Warranty Info?? In-Reply-To: References: <350026AC.56A5@netvigator.com> <003401bd4912$20b03620$cef0ffd0@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IjXdTD.A.wGC.ufGA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3873 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:21:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 9fb4c79a9c641741fb85def500459154 >>future perfect wrote: >>> >>> Did anyone who bought one of the newly shipped 'Plexes get any kind of >>> warranty registration info with it? >> >>Good point. In fact I have been waiting too long for the delivery (over >>half a year) and totally forget any about warranty (too excited when I >>got it). >> >>I know Oberheim were rushing for the order and fortunately they did not >>forget to put the Echoplex in the box. >> >>Anyway, I know a guy called Pat Murphy who is in charge of Echoplex. You >>may send a email (through Gibson's web site) or give him a ring. > >Pat Murphy >he reads the list sometimes, too. > >kim I read the list. I can't say that I read every single email on the list but if it mentions the Echoplex in the subject, I read it. Also, being a gear freak, I read any email that refers to gear for sale. Pat ______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > > From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:11:35 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 14:33:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB5fq-0002JY-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:33:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199803062217.OAA29982@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Looper Profiles (attn: Bishop, Devito & Rockwell) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:29:47 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fCFaqD.A.GsB.uiHA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3875 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:33:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 37c55db0efb9679f7935307f2e40a974 Hey Chris, I didn't receive my password either. I think my old email address is in my profile....my fault. Matt From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:11:35 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 15:06:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB6Bm-0005kw-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:06:02 -0800 Message-ID: <35008138.282A5D98@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 18:05:28 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: "'Kim Flint'" Subject: Re: Future loop music -- what will it sound like? References: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F590@mail.exapps.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1EOISD.A.b3E.GBIA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3876 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:06:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 0482ab629061082991b71d1b30e8ce7c Well, this brings to mind way back in 66,67 when I was a drummer,and our band played the friday night battle of the bands in Wichita Falls,Tex.at the local YMCA.We were playing Young Rascels,Animals,etc.and we wondered about this same basic question.Then Jimi came out 'and the fuzz tone and well you might get the picture,he was somebody who summed it all up and made all those styles into something that captured the imaginations and soul of an entire generation where nothing like it had been before. Where is the next Jimi? Jeff David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Gosh. I tried asking this to a few forums (including L-Delight) a month or > two ago. The best answer I got was from a philosopher friend. > > She pointed out the question of the day we're all facing is this: What is > the desirable role / place for technology? So, my speculation is one key > feature we'll find in all our "innovators of tomorrow" will be "surprises" > in the way they address using technology. > > David Kirkdorffer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@chromatic.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 4:48 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Future loop music (was: Love lorne whiners) > > Where is loop based music going? What directions will it be taking > in the > future? Not the gear, but the music itself! What compositional, > improvisational, cultural, etc. directions are things heading in? > > > kim > ________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:11:37 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 15:20:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB6Q3-0007Ij-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:20:47 -0800 Message-ID: <350084C5.D423D814@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 18:20:38 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: future of lopping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G3ToOD.A.QWG.QPIA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3877 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:20:47 -0800 X-UIDL: c5111ac37657e360700357307871760e ok this isn't about looping,and then....... Jeff http://www.scifi.com/set/readings/benford/ From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:01 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 16:22:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB7NU-0005y9-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:22:12 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:54:19 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: babs Subject: Billy Cobham MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Resent-Message-ID: <"mpVpfB.A.qsE.DGJA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3878 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:22:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 1c2847c2f1a9801cc5373c1dabfd6469 Just got back in from seeing Billy Cobham and Randy Brecker in concert, the gig was great, and the band came back on for an encore and Billy Cobham had a drum machine strapped on like a guitar, it was like those keyboards you strap on, anyway he started playing and then looping! I glanced down at his feet and there was an Oberheim controller on the floor, perhaps he was using an echoplex? He did a short segment and then the band played the final song, he said they were trying something new, perhaps he's got into looping? Babs From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:02 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 17:02:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB80O-0002Fs-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:02:24 -0800 Message-ID: <19980307005510.25047.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:55:10 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: OT re:CDR870/audio CDR discs To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"r0u_W.A.rqB.6uJA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3879 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:02:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 06749ca1f9825c947e218084322f5c5d Loopsters, David Myers asked where to find a good price on Audio CDr blanks for use with the Phillips 870 CD recorder. I can't help you with the Audio CDr blanks, but you may not have heard that there is a trick you can use in order to record with the Phillips 870 using data CDr blanks (the cheap ones). I learned about this via the Roland VS-880 mailing list. Some of the folks there have the Phillips 870 and have successfully used this trick. The difference in the Audio CDr blank and the data CDr blanks is that the Audio discs have information written to them that tells the 870 (or similar Pioneer consumer CD recorders PD04, PD05) that the disc is a Consumer disc (and tariffs were paid). Without that data, it will not allow you to enter record mode. I don't have a CD recorder, so what I tell you now is based on my reading others accounts, and leveraged from a similar trick my kids use to play Japanese Playstation CD roms in an American Playstation. You will need an Audio CD blank of the same capacity (time) as the Data CD blank you want to record to. 1. Put the Consumer blank into the recorder. 2. It will read the identification information, and will indicate you can record. 3. Reach under the CD tray door and slide the tray open (manually, do not use the tray open button). 4. Remove the Consumer CD blank 5. Place the Data CD blank on the tray 6. Manually close the tray completely 7. Record 8. Do not remove the CD until you finalize it, or it will not play. You cannot remove it, and reinsert it later to record. Again, this is from others accounts, I cannot tell you the nuances of this trick. Others say it is easy, works, and has not harmed their recorders. Proceed at your own risk. The only caveat I have heard regarding this procedure has to do with calibration. When a blank disk is inserted into a stand alone CD recorder, the recorder performs a calibration on the blank. This calibration consists of writing and reading a reserved area of the blank in order to determine the optimal laser intensity for that exact disc. This is done because there is unit to unit and manufacturer to manufacturer variations in the CD blanks' dye layer. The cal insure the holes burned in the dye layer will be of the correct size (depth?) in order to be read later without error. Since this trick requires you swap discs AFTER the calibration, there is some risk the burn will not be optimized to the proper level for the second (actual record) disc. So far, anecdotal information says this has not been a problem. Again, proceed at your own risk. See http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?83 for stereophiles article on 'CD Recorder's Dirty Little Secret'. bret _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:04 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 17:15:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB8CW-0003ZS-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:14:56 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <25926224.35009e60@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:09:50 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Billy Cobham Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"CvucGC.A.64C.g6JA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3880 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:14:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 028ce57f553a8ffe505abf1a2e216428 Interesting! I saw Billy with Jan Hammer and John Mcglauhlin back in 1972 at the University of New Mexico. All were amazing then, can't imagine where they are now. From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:05 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 17:20:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB8I2-0004J4-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:20:38 -0800 Message-ID: <3500A093.6DFA9FF9@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 20:19:15 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "'Kim Flint'" Subject: Re: Future loop music -- what will it sound like? References: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F590@mail.exapps.com> <35008138.282A5D98@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LqY_6C.A.1aD.s-JA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3881 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:20:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 408f4d0c6ffcda300998786680795922 Jeff Duke wrote: > .Then Jimi came out 'and ... My son gave me a Movie cd of Rainbow Bridge,The movie, maybe somebody will enjoy this little rap that I put on my website.I know it's not looping exactly,but I promise to stop now.Just click on streaming Jimi.Jeff http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/psy2.html > Jeff > David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > Gosh. I tried asking this to a few forums (including L-Delight) a month or > > two ago. The best answer I got was from a philosopher friend. > > > > She pointed out the question of the day we're all facing is this: What is > > the desirable role / place for technology? So, my speculation is one key > > feature we'll find in all our "innovators of tomorrow" will be "surprises" > > in the way they address using technology. > > > > David Kirkdorffer > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@chromatic.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 4:48 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Future loop music (was: Love lorne whiners) > > > > Where is loop based music going? What directions will it be taking > > in the > > future? Not the gear, but the music itself! What compositional, > > improvisational, cultural, etc. directions are things heading in? > > > > > > kim > > ________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > > Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:10 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 18:21:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB9F0-0001sa-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:21:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199803070206.CAA26860@beryl.sol.co.uk> From: "John Stevens" To: Subject: Re: Kim's Musical "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 02:08:41 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"585Pz.A.gz.k1KA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3882 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:21:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 9c6bc6b8e2729abd58fd269b8a16a00a I'd be intrigued to know what RF music you consider to be "Celtic harp music" !?!:-) ---------- > From: Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Kim's Musical "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" > Date: 05 March 1998 17:49 > > Todd: > >The theory is this: anything with an ape-like, crusty, hairy, > >gnarled barnacle on the rusty ship-prow aspect causes the fair > >sex to go running out of the room. > > My wife seems to avoid my entire music collection, period. However, I've > picked up on various new musics by taking her to Celtic concerts. > Especially when some Celtic harp music sounds more like RF than RF!! :) > > But I'll admit that agreeing to take her to see Elton John and Billy Joel > together is just to collect Brownie points.... > > >Face it - some of the stuff that we like just makes people want > >to be far away. > > I remember when alt.music.progressive wanted to change its name to > encompass musicians like Phillip Glass. Someone suggested > alt.music.difficult.listening .... > > On a different subject, Jim Poppen advised us about: > > Bill Frisell... Lopping Maniac > > Makes one worry about what kind of "axe" he's using.... :) > > Michael > > From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:10 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 18:21:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB9F7-0001tf-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:21:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199803070206.CAA26864@beryl.sol.co.uk> From: "John Stevens" To: Subject: Re: Kim's Musical "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 02:15:15 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i6w7TD.A.tz.k1KA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3883 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:21:41 -0800 X-UIDL: d87d1d5b4a32fecf90a60a88225540ed I would be very interested to learn what you consider to be: "RF Celtic Harp Music"!?! ;) sure you don't mean Robin Williamson???;-) ---------- > From: Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Kim's Musical "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" > Date: 05 March 1998 17:49 > > Todd: > >The theory is this: anything with an ape-like, crusty, hairy, > >gnarled barnacle on the rusty ship-prow aspect causes the fair > >sex to go running out of the room. > > My wife seems to avoid my entire music collection, period. However, I've > picked up on various new musics by taking her to Celtic concerts. > Especially when some Celtic harp music sounds more like RF than RF!! :) > > But I'll admit that agreeing to take her to see Elton John and Billy Joel > together is just to collect Brownie points.... > > >Face it - some of the stuff that we like just makes people want > >to be far away. > > I remember when alt.music.progressive wanted to change its name to > encompass musicians like Phillip Glass. Someone suggested > alt.music.difficult.listening .... > > On a different subject, Jim Poppen advised us about: > > Bill Frisell... Lopping Maniac > > Makes one worry about what kind of "axe" he's using.... :) > > Michael > > From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:11 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 18:32:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB9PH-00031p-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:32:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199803070221.CAA27098@beryl.sol.co.uk> From: "John Stevens" To: Subject: Re: Love lorne loopers(was slagging) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 02:29:32 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mcfyN.A.DhC.1DLA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3884 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:32:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 1326dfe02485d13a94cdd91cd9435a3f WHAAT!!!!!!! GEAR???? Thrak-On!!!!!!!! ---------- > From: Michael Peters > To: 'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Subject: AW: Love lorne loopers(was slagging) > Date: 05 March 1998 18:51 > > Scott Bullerwell wrote, > > >This whole "my wife listens exclusively to Ratt and/or John Tesh and > >doesn't understand me and is frightened by my music" thing is kind of > >uncomfortable. > > yeah, I agree. Very similar to the endless "why aren't there any female KC > fans" thread in Elephant Talk. My girl friend isn't very musical either, > but so what? We are multidimensional beings. Let's get back to talking > gear, ok? > > >I'm quite used to not finding ANYONE, male or female, musician or > >non-musician, who shares my taste for Happy Family and Djam Karet and > >obscure Bruford solo albums and rare PFM import vinyl and Glenn Branca > >discs. > > You'd find most of Bruford, PFM, and Glenn Branca in my record collection. > You are not alone! =) > > michael peters mpeters@compuserve.com > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters.htm > > From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:12 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 18:54:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB9lJ-0004yA-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:54:57 -0800 Message-Id: <199803070244.CAA27547@beryl.sol.co.uk> From: "John Stevens" To: Subject: Re: SV: contestant nr2: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 02:52:58 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6Iu0JC.A.bXE.VZLA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3885 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:54:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 68fd73cca53b1344b685216ac73cbeca ---------- > From: Kim Flint > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: SV: contestant nr2: prog rock--is it homoerotic? > Date: 06 March 1998 18:57 > > >> Hi Stephen , you make a good point. A very good point. There where a LOT > >>of women involved in the imagery and the ongoings of a tour . On the > >>other hand , I`m not saying > >>that ANY of the musician in question actually WERE gay. Maybe homoerotic > >>expression was used subconscously by the bands to GET the girls???? > >> > >Didn't anyone else notice Rob Halford's (Judas Priest vocalist) recent > >coming out in the press? > > no, are you serious??? I've wondered about that for years! That's exactly > who I was thinking of through this whole stupid thread. He was doing the > leather and motorcycle thing long before it entered any of the cultural > mainstream....now, anybody remember Accept? "London Leatherboys" "Balls to > the Wall" etc.? ok, nevermind, don't answer that. let's move on..... YES! Let's...........> >This is getting a long ways from the land of loops. > > totally agree there..... > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:16 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 20:49:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBBYA-00041X-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:49:30 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980306234752.00743dfc@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 23:47:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: Re: From a new guy with lots of dumb questions In-Reply-To: <3500F706.276E@erols.com> References: <199803061317_MC2-35CE-F89A@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1PMGdD.A.DVD.7DNA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3887 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:49:31 -0800 X-UIDL: a9a1360452bcf06261f1dacd8d572f17 At 11:28 PM 3/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi. This is my first post, following a few weeks of lurking. I've found most of what's >been discussed very interesting, even the "homoeroticism in prog-rock" thread. Just a >few dumb questions: > >1.) It seems that most of us are guitar players (as I am, though I'm slowly making the >transition to the Stick). Is anyone experimenting with looped vocals, percussion, etc.? >Just curious. > Looping is absolutely *not* just for guitar players. Looped vocals and percussion are all very cool, looped violin and cello are a gas, in fact Looped ... Anyway, welcome to the LoopLand! Oh yeah, I play guitar (but I also loop vocals, kalimba, mouth percussion,...) Len Silver Spring, MD From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:17 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 20:53:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBBc9-0004ZJ-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:53:37 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD495A.9B86D0F0.douglas-lawrence@home.com> From: Douglas Lawrence Reply-To: "douglas-lawrence@home.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: ?? Plex Warranty Info!! ?? Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:50:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8nlzXC.A.NpD.dGNA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3888 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:53:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 8db81dddc0027592a2268892a3b75d86 Well, I wondered the same thing after I hunted around in the box. So Pat, *IS* there a warranty on these Plexi? Also, does Oberheim recommend non-parity over parity memory upgrades? Thanks Much. >I read the list. I can't say that I read every single email on the list but >if it mentions the Echoplex in the subject, I read it. Also, being a gear >freak, I read any email that refers to gear for sale. >Pat -----Original Message----- From: future perfect [SMTP:artmusic@gte.net] Sent: Friday, March 06, 1998 10:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Plex Warranty Info?? Did anyone who bought one of the newly shipped 'Plexes get any kind of warranty registration info with it? I bought both the Plex and footswitch from Thoroughbred Music, and other than the manual, there was no registration card for either..is there supposed to be? Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:19 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 21:22:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBC3v-0006qm-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:22:19 -0800 From: Marzzz Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:18:43 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, artmusic@gte.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Plex Warranty Info?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"DRf0ID.A.RLG.4jNA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3889 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:22:19 -0800 X-UIDL: e2e8036922ff1bd64670d53a68949107 In a message dated 3/6/98 9:11:57 AM, Dave wrote: >Did anyone who bought one of the newly shipped 'Plexes get any kind of >warranty registration info with it? I bought both the Plex and footswitch >from Thoroughbred Music, and other than the manual, there was no >registration card for either..is there supposed to be? I got an Echoplex last month, there was no warranty card shipped with it. I sent an email to the dearly departed Tom Spaulding and had it within the week. It was a standard one-year Oberheim Product warranty Marshall From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:21 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 21:27:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBC8m-0007Qh-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:27:20 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980307052331.00dc7878@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 21:23:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Plex memory question Resent-Message-ID: <"pqpl9C.A.AmG.0nNA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3890 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:27:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 9182e9bf7ec31c339c8e44b849d2a1c1 >Also, does Oberheim recommend non-parity over parity memory upgrades? > either type is fine. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:27 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 05:29:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBJfQ-0000wY-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 05:29:32 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 07:52:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: From a new guy with lots of dumb questions Resent-Message-ID: <"Fe335C.A.as.5sUA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3893 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 05:29:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 01a0b36e333b318eac94f7e72c1bc2e0 Just a >few dumb questions: > >1.) It seems that most of us are guitar players (as I am, though I'm >slowly making the >transition to the Stick). Is anyone experimenting with looped vocals, >percussion, etc.? >Just curious. Hi, not a dumb question at all. Most of my looping is done in the context of a duo, Fingerpaint. We're both guitarists, but via MIDI we trigger a variety of synths and drum machines, We've looped vocal sounds, recordeed sounds, loops feed into other effects and then re-looped, the occassional burst of a feedback loop. My favoritee was a loop that begins a piece on our cassette which was marbles in a vase with water feeding a vortex. This was then looped and made a carpet for the rest of the piece to play on. The piece is called "U Don't Miss Me." I know one person pn this list is looping vocals and you will be able to hear her, Siobahn Canty, in the DC version of the Mid-Atlantic Loop Show on April 18th in Mt Ranier, MD. More details to follow. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:22 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 22:35:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBDCT-0003uU-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:35:13 -0800 Message-ID: <020a01bd4993$178a4640$cef0ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: Plex memory question Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:34:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"V8egR.A.6dD.ZoOA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3891 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:35:13 -0800 X-UIDL: e30c3335593edadf51a052741c53fd13 And ya cant use anything higher than 4MB SIMMS??? > >>Also, does Oberheim recommend non-parity over parity memory upgrades? >> > >either type is fine. > >kim >________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint 408-752-9284 >Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com >Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:14 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 6 20:31:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBBGl-0002gi-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:31:31 -0800 Message-ID: <3500F706.276E@erols.com> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 23:28:06 -0800 From: Peter Shindler X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: From a new guy with lots of dumb questions References: <199803061317_MC2-35CE-F89A@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VIXJzD.A.cUC.e0MA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3886 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:31:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 8d1cf7ef1408b5f21872281eecfec7d4 Hi. This is my first post, following a few weeks of lurking. I've found most of what's been discussed very interesting, even the "homoeroticism in prog-rock" thread. Just a few dumb questions: 1.) It seems that most of us are guitar players (as I am, though I'm slowly making the transition to the Stick). Is anyone experimenting with looped vocals, percussion, etc.? Just curious. 2.) Currently I'm using a DOD DFX94, possibly the world's cheapest looping device. It's basically a 4-second delay pedal with an "infinite repeat" setting (come on, how many of you started off with something this silly?). Anyway, I'm thinking about spending my income tax refund responsibly (instead of paying for trivialities like food and rent) and getting something a few steps up. What's a decent piece of equipment to look for, something that will let me expand my horizons a bit without having to take out a loan? 3.) Is anyone on this list in the Boston area? Please let me know if there's anything going on that I should be aware of. Ok, here's one small contribution to compensate for all this wasted bandwidth: I'm an alternate tuning freak too- my favorite one (try this!) is a tritonal tuning that I tried out of boredom and ended up staying with for over a year. From low to high, it's just B-F-B-F-B-F. Use a .56 for the lowest and a .46 for the second-lowest string. Peter http://haven.tgot.one/sorry From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:25 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 00:37:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBF6w-00012n-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:37:38 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 03:35:29 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199803070835.AA24369@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SV: contestant nr2: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Resent-Message-ID: <"GS8VCB.A._y.VbQA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3892 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:37:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 2c41099b0e02693432da9968535e6b8b >>This is getting a long ways from the land of loops. >totally agree there..... Well... people have talked before about the possibility of visual accompaniment for loops... I've always been pretty down on the idea because visual looping pretty much has to be static (I think video feedback might be more analogous)... but there _is_ an industry of visual "loops" [1]... so if you really want we could connect this topic back to looping I'm sure... Sean [1] check 'em out next time you're at a shop looking for something with which to stimulate your guitar... From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:28 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 06:07:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBKFp-0002W8-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:07:09 -0800 From: Texture444 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:03:49 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cheeseheads/open letter to Torn (was: "I don't think she's very nice") Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"qBKJJC.A.IKC.LQVA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3894 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:07:09 -0800 X-UIDL: f78b095dd7fba9437a4fa7b708dd96e1 me: i'd love to play *everywhere*! what does that mean, though? i don't know. on my way to philadelphia, to play the "star's end gathering" (!!!!!) @ temple university (wxpn), tonight, 3/7/98. best up, dt From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:29 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 06:15:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBKNh-00033t-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:15:17 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980307091648.007c5ec0@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 09:16:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: cheeseheads/open letter to Torn (was: "I don't think she's very nice") In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Gqk4v.A._qC.1XVA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3895 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:15:17 -0800 X-UIDL: ee12be917971d0559bafe3c8c01b2d02 At 09:03 AM 3/7/98 EST, dt wrote: >me: >i'd love to play *everywhere*! >what does that mean, though? >i don't know. >on my way to philadelphia, to play the "star's end gathering" (!!!!!) > @ temple university (wxpn), tonight, 3/7/98. I'll be there. Minor correction: it's Univ of Penn. not temple u. >best up, >dt > > > **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:29 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 07:04:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBL8o-0004rv-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 07:03:58 -0800 Message-ID: <35016255.4399E053@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 10:05:57 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cheeseheads/open letter to Torn (was: "I don't think she's very nice") References: <3.0.5.32.19980307091648.007c5ec0@popmail.voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fUzg9D.A.vXE.eFWA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3896 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 07:03:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 2de32226c56b0468f9b5ff57e4c6982b I hate this! Every body gets dt but Atlanta.I would even venture downtown for that. Jeff Floyd Miller wrote: > At 09:03 AM 3/7/98 EST, dt wrote: > >me: > >i'd love to play *everywhere*! > >what does that mean, though? > >i don't know. > >on my way to philadelphia, to play the "star's end gathering" (!!!!!) > > @ temple university (wxpn), tonight, 3/7/98. > > I'll be there. > > Minor correction: it's Univ of Penn. not temple u. > > >best up, > >dt > > > > > > > > **************** > ********** Floyd Miller > ****** floyd@voicenet.com > ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:30 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 07:17:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBLM5-0005bw-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 07:17:41 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:14:44 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"s_t8EB.A.hCF.FSWA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3897 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 07:17:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 84d2a60e50b2f40c68f4f79f9a4beaa4 I was at Orion Studios last week to see Adam Levin's band (enjoyed the loop on the last song very much Adam) and two other Prog bands. The crowd was mostly male but there were more than a few women there. I did not see any "arrogant" behavior or did the crowd look "gay" to me. Steroetypes are mostly bullshit. Tonight I'll be seeing Curlew and Boom, guess I'll have to look out for the arrogant gays!!! > ---------- > From: Tom Attix > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, March 5, 1998 7:50 PM > To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > Subject: RE: prog rock--is it homoerotic? > > Actually there would probably be more women at the gay theater > performance... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Bullerwell [SMTP:tanelorn@dimensional.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 3:38 PM > > To: Tom Attix > > Subject: prog rock--is it homoerotic? > > > > Kim notes: > > > > > I was going to bring up my observation that the typical > > upper-middle-class, > > > middle-aged, college-educated, slightly-arrogant, white-male > audience > > found > > > at most progressive rock shows bears a very strong resemblance to > the > > crowd > > > at a typical gay theater performance > > > > I wanted to add my voice to yours on the Stanley Jordan issue, but > managed > > to keep it in check. This time however, I gotta publicly and loudly > agree > > with you. Shall we now ask the question: why the HELL is that? > > > > Scott > From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:30 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 07:52:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBLtl-0007HD-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 07:52:29 -0800 X-From_:moin@eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Sat Mar 07 07:52:25 1998 Received: from eikonwww.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.240.7] (root) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBLtg-0007Ez-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 07:52:24 -0800 Received: from luzifer (dial157.lrz-muenchen.de [129.187.24.157]) by eikonwww.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14650 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:56:33 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <35016D68.7087FD30@eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Old-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 16:53:12 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill Organization: Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.25 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: John Surman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail to //www.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de/~moin bounced 2 times X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 07:52:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 39e0093b8ab5fed9af690ee90fb8c03f Greetings everyone, has anyone ever mentioned the name of John Surman in the context of looping ? I had originally developed interest in him with regards to his Brass Project, but recently discovered 2 CD's "The Amazing Adventures of Simon Simon" and "Upon Reflection", on which (especially the latter one) he does some fine kind of loop-style play. The records appeared on ECM Records. Just a hint, Rainer -- *** MOINLABS GFX and Soundworks *** Your choice in professional weirdness http://www.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de/~moin Visit our pages for information on actual projects From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:34 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 09:39:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBNZ0-0004r3-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:39:10 -0800 From: Marzzz Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 12:34:35 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: cheeseheads/open letter to Torn (was: "I don't think she's very nice") Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"TIxbtD.A.zME.2VYA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3898 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:39:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 84abe45513013a5e8bc2e8a2cc991fa7 In a message dated 3/7/98 8:06:37 AM, DT wrote: >me: >i'd love to play *everywhere*! >what does that mean, though? >i don't know. CHICAGO. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marshall (the neophyte lonely midwest looper) From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:34 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 09:40:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBNaT-00052l-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:40:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199803071736.MAA02315@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 12:35:37 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8atr1B.A.sSE.sWYA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3899 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:40:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 53602b596b1f74f5bff463226a7b49a6 > Kim notes: > > > I was going to bring up my observation that the typical > upper-middle-class, middle-aged, college-educated, slightly-arrogant, white-male audience > found at most progressive rock shows bears a very strong resemblance to the > crowd at a typical gay theater performance > > I wanted to add my voice to yours on the Stanley Jordan issue, but managed > to keep it in check. This time however, I gotta publicly and loudly agree > with you. Shall we now ask the question: why the HELL is that? > > Scott ...hey - with all the satiny clothes, long hair, and occassional on-stage organ-diddling, who knows....?! andre' From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:35 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 10:03:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBNwh-0006Vc-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:03:39 -0800 Message-ID: <19980307180016.27080.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [192.204.247.107] From: "stephen boyle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: voice,uh,loops,uh,... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 10:00:16 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"1wbATB.A.o4F.vtYA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3900 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:03:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 0443775daa2ed5d5721570596c55796b Anyone interested in vocal loops and tricks may want to look for recordings by Gregory Whitehead(also does radioplays and has a book on MIT Press called 'The Wireless Imagination') John Hudak, or Richard Kostelanetz(both perform 'concrete poetry'& musique concrete). Sub Rosa Records has a collection of Wm. Burroughs' earliest tape experiments, called "Breakthrough In Grey Room". It is well known that Burroughs was gay, but I can't vouch for the others. Sorry.( No, no I'm not.) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:36 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 10:06:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBNzr-0006sx-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:06:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199803071803.NAA11186@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , Subject: Re: contestant nr2: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:02:42 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oO3M3D.A.pIG.JwYA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3901 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:06:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 19fd14432a82ecab8f897ed21001ba6f > >Thight leather pants , big pouting red lips , steelchains around the waist > and a guitar that looks like its made to penetrate bodily cavities , WHADDYA > GET????? > > > >Homoerotic expression. > > > WRONG, buffalo breath! All of the above fails to mention the WOMEN - most > of 'em in their teens like the male attendees - that were inexplicably > attracted to (and here's the formula): > or maybe it's bisexual expression, then... lotsa women around Liberace and Freddy Mercury all the time, too...... andre' From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:44 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 10:24:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBOH3-0000IO-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:24:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199803071820.NAA16614@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Billy Cobham Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:19:54 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"a2JmAB.A.wKH.JAZA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3902 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:24:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 6a3c056575e523cf5e91941e3b9a2d1b > From: ANET > Interesting! I saw Billy with Jan Hammer and John Mcglauhlin back in 1972 at > the University of New Mexico. All were amazing then, can't imagine where they > are now. surely you know McLaughin has out a pile of excellent albums since then....? Jna also released a lotta stuff, did the miami vice sndtrks, did a tour with cobham about 5-6 years back, otherwise - hmmm, where he's bee I don't know.. andre > From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:45 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 10:27:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBOJs-0000eE-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:27:36 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803041833.LAA07259@hyper.dimensional.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:23:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: EDP sadly for sale Resent-Message-ID: <"kNdpTC.A.4K.vCZA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3903 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:27:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 56e49a352940173d95e756929a84ed8f I put this tentatively since I KNOW I will hate myself in the morning. The Echoplex is the king of loopers, but the direction I'm moving in makes my EDP seem like way overkill. May I be forgiven.... EDP with 198 sec. memory and latest software upgrade. Will include a DIY foot controller which I believe is virtually identical to the Oberheim in function and size, housed in a tough 1/8 inch thick aluminum channel; plastic switches (like the Obie?), so watch the Doc Martens.... Has the invaluable input sensitivity mod outlined in the Looper's Delight pages. Has lived in my home rack only, like new; no original box, though. $575 plus $25 COD FedEx. Would prefer a New Yorker to cut the shipping hassle. Also, still have my MidiVerb 4: $199 plus $20 shipping. David Myers From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:46 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 10:48:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBOds-0001pK-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:48:16 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980307124618.0068c764@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 12:46:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: A new question In-Reply-To: <19980307180016.27080.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GZKsWB.A.6eB.fXZA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3904 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:48:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 0bfd6064c7ad41d628ae6d5c17746eb2 I am a beginning pile of loop duu, alright and I'm listening to this stuff and I'm wondering where substance is. I care specifically about what you do, not who fans are or what you think you can do. I want to know what people are doing and why. That's all. Lay it down. Since I'm unfortunately only engaged such current lowly pursuits as DJing music such as ambient, jungle, so called "intelligent techno" and anything else dished into the marketing mix if you will, I will keep my ignorant mouth shut. I hope I just received on the wrong day. New technology and thoroughfares of communication and no one FFs-- Matthew J.H. esker@mail.utexas.edu From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 12:12:48 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 11:17:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBP6M-0003iM-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:17:42 -0800 X-Sender: rmenger@mail.groupz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35016255.4399E053@bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:15:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Richard Menger Subject: Re: cheeseheads/open letter to Torn (was: "I don't think she's very nice") Resent-Message-ID: <"Z47Lt.A.UQD.HzZA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3905 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:17:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 4c98ecd8945d1e82a42938abc8cde6cb I agree...Atlanta never gets any good stuff like DT for example.....I think DT should storm Atlanta soon....I'll definately make the trip up from Augusta!!!!!! begging for somethin' good -Rich >I hate this! Every body gets dt but Atlanta.I would even venture downtown >for that. >Jeff > >Floyd Miller wrote: > >> At 09:03 AM 3/7/98 EST, dt wrote: >> >me: >> >i'd love to play *everywhere*! >> >what does that mean, though? >> >i don't know. >> >on my way to philadelphia, to play the "star's end gathering" (!!!!!) >> > @ temple university (wxpn), tonight, 3/7/98. >> >> I'll be there. >> >> Minor correction: it's Univ of Penn. not temple u. >> >> >best up, >> >dt >> > >> > >> > >> >> **************** >> ********** Floyd Miller >> ****** floyd@voicenet.com >> ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 18:42:56 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 18:31:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBVsD-0005qu-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:31:33 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <020a01bd4993$178a4640$cef0ffd0@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 12:49:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Plex memory question Resent-Message-ID: <"WDr87D.A.tRF.-JgA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3923 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:31:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 62fc74a533ee1e22a49b40fdc86075b1 right. For the echoplex, the max is four 4MB simms, for 16MB total. When the echoplex first came out that memory cost about $800 - $1000, now it's about $50-$70. At 1:34 AM -0500 3/7/98, future perfect wrote: >And ya cant use anything higher than 4MB SIMMS??? > > >> >>>Also, does Oberheim recommend non-parity over parity memory upgrades? >>> >> >>either type is fine. >> >>kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 18:28:45 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 13:50:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBRTn-0004D9-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:50:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3501B515.C491C36A@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 13:59:12 -0700 From: Bill Moyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loopers in Seattle References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kzuoAD.A.CZD.x_bA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3907 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:50:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 1db53f0cb9d4edaac9630080392f095d FYI< Some friends of mine have a loop based project called Radio Chonching. We all travelled to China a little over a year ago for the Beijing Jazz Fest. and a bunch of other shows. We were all members of the band Land, headed by Jeff Greinke. We released a second CD last summer, but haven't gotten shit for distribution. It's a good CD, called Archipelego. Producer just dropped the ball. Wall of Sound ,in Seattle has it as does Borders probably. Radio Chongching is trumpet Leslie Dalaba, Percussionist Greg Gilmore of Mother Lovebone "Fame" ,and stick player George Solar. They should be releasing a CD soon, and perform regularly in town. Ther music has beauty and maturity. hasta, Bill Moyer From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 18:28:44 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 13:47:25 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBRR9-0003rC-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:47:19 -0800 From: Marzzz Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:42:33 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Kim's Musical "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"_N6-7B.A.zMD.M-bA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3906 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:47:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 2da441b494d241a704240a0609b145bc In a message dated 3/5/98 8:24:19 AM, Tom wrote: >Face it - some of the stuff that we like just makes people want >to be far away. I can sum it up in one sentence- My girlfriend hates anything in minor keys, microtones, and odd meters. She even hates the one bend Steve Howe plays in "I've Seen All Good People!" Marshall From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 18:28:46 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 13:59:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBRcv-00056e-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:59:29 -0800 Message-ID: <03e501bd4a14$3148d520$cef0ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Setup Time for Loop Rig Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:58:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"SCwNuD.A.bkE.1KcA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3908 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:59:29 -0800 X-UIDL: d987c47afe460610a26954ca938ecd1f I was wondering how long it takes everyone to set up at a gig with their looping rig- anyone have any time/space saving advice??? Dave Eichenberger From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 18:28:48 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 14:29:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBS5w-0006ro-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:29:28 -0800 X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <03e501bd4a14$3148d520$cef0ffd0@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:24:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: Setup Time for Loop Rig Resent-Message-ID: <"FY-fKC.A.l-F.TlcA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3909 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:29:28 -0800 X-UIDL: d96223ad4ef4457648d5f7a0290b9505 At 16:58 -0500 3/7/98, future perfect wrote: > I was wondering how long it takes everyone to set up at a gig with their > looping rig- anyone have any time/space saving advice??? I'm a keyboard player so I'll try to be general. I've been told that this general approach has been helpful for a bassist friend with a large rig ... When setting up, I group the tasks so that I do them in the same order every time and thus can do things more efficiently. 1. get all of the physical objects in the right places 2. make all the power connections 3. make all the midi connections (and other things like control footpedals) 4. make all the audio connections 5. plug in the speakers What's important is not so much what the groups of tasks are -- more, it's that you have a ritual so that you're spending less time pondering what to do next. The other really big thing for me is to bundle cables as much as possible, so as to minimize the amount of time spent dealing with tangles -- it's much easier to deal with a snake of 8 audio connections than 8 separate cables (I have two of these, as well as a bundle of MIDI cables between my two racks). And tearing down always seems to happen in a rush (to get to the gig/rehearsal or to get back home) so I'm not good at coiling individual cables in a tangle-free way. I could go even further, and splice multi-pin connectors into the midst of my audio and MIDI snakes, so that I can make connections that much more quickly, but I'm not moving gear enough these days to have made this a priority. My rig takes about 10-15 minutes to set up in ideal circumstances (places with no space or power constraints). That's two keyboards, two racks, a separate mixer, four footpedals, a PC-1600 MIDI fader box, and two speakers. It's much harder to *move* it than set it up :-/ Doug --- Doug Wyatt Sonosphere - electro-organic music, music software doug@sonosphere.com http://www.sonosphere.com/ From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 18:28:47 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 14:29:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBS5x-0006sG-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:29:29 -0800 X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803071820.NAA16614@shell.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:32:47 -0500 To: From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: Jan Hammer Resent-Message-ID: <"TnpTc.A.L_F.XlcA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3910 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:29:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 962a3be48753c24820e8e567b4102860 At 13:19 -0500 3/7/98, andre wrote: > > From: ANET > > Interesting! I saw Billy with Jan Hammer and John Mcglauhlin back in > 1972 at > > the University of New Mexico. All were amazing then, can't imagine where > they > > are now. > > surely you know McLaughin has out a pile of excellent albums since > then....? Jna also released a lotta stuff, did the miami vice sndtrks, did > a tour with cobham about 5-6 years back, otherwise - hmmm, where he's bee I > don't know.. I have Jan Hammer's latest solo release, Drive, on Miramar. There are some nice grooves, some really nice chord changes and key shifts (something I've always loved about J.H.), and some of his trademark soloing, but I was a little disappointed. It seems aimed at "smooth jazz" radio (what my dad calls "Weather Channel music") ... I like it better when Jan pushes the envelope a bit more. Doug --- Doug Wyatt Sonosphere - electro-organic music, music software doug@sonosphere.com http://www.sonosphere.com/ From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 18:28:50 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 16:14:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBTjQ-0004ED-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:14:20 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199803080011.QAA09737@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: cheeseheads/open letter to Torn (was: "I don't think she's very nice") To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:11:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Texture444" at Mar 7, 98 09:03:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N6yrt.A.IvD.GJeA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3911 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:14:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 6fbb43d1f58f8cb3153b795f4fbdc50f As a resident of San Diego, CA, I have to pipe in here... The curse of our fair city is that it is viewed by outsiders as being a sleepy little Navy town in the shadow of Los Angeles. This despite having hosted two Super Bowls, the Republican Convention, the annual Comic Convention (comic books, that is, not guys/gals who stand up, mic in hand and try to make you laugh) among other things including a population well over the 2 million mark. It is still my hope that the continued growth of the wireless telecommunication industry led by Qualcomm and the high-tech industry in general plus other possibilities such as a new ballpark for our Padres baseball team, the entrance of SDSU into the PAC, etc. will eventually lead to some kind of cultural renaissance as more and more educated folks are attracted to our city. And with this improved cultural base, more quality artists such as Torn will hopefully make a trip down here and enjoy our climate, fish tacos, etc. while playing for us. I must give Torn credit, though, for attempting to bring the Polytown band down here until CMP messed up that tour. Though I was disappointed when I went to The Flash (the local venue where Polytown was scheduled to play) to buy tickets and was turned away, I was still grateful Torn and Co. at least thought of us. Well, until then, more trips to LA I guess... Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 18:28:53 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 16:52:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBUJr-0006dp-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:51:59 -0800 Message-ID: <3501EBFA.DC349BC7@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 19:53:14 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: A new question References: <3.0.1.32.19980307124618.0068c764@mail.utexas.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A033EAC8F74E7F044B30F892" Resent-Message-ID: <"RHwJ2D.A.D8F.HseA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3914 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:51:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 31f1ce29d306dee2f6d7b0bac9f2bcfe   
Looper's Delight is a cultural and
            informational resource for musicians
            creating with audio loops of every sort.
            Loop based music essentially involves the
            repetition of audio samples, or loops.
            From that basic premise looping moves
            off in numerous directions, encompassing
            a wide range of techniques for building,
            manipulating, and using loops. The
            technique crosses many musical
            boundaries and appears in a wide range
            of musical styles and genres.

Jeff, If I may be so bold
 

matthew hahn wrote:

I am a beginning pile of loop duu,Matthew J.H.
esker@mail.utexas.edu
  From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 18:28:54 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 17:20:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBUlH-0000JZ-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:20:19 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: From a new guy with lots of dumb questions Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 02:16:02 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4a2f$c2d80fe0$7b414382@hovard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"xNy5xB.A.OG.SHfA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3915 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:20:19 -0800 X-UIDL: d3f26bc478cc23331aa2fe0ea96b1760 >Hi. This is my first post, following a few weeks of lurking. I've found most of what's >been discussed very interesting, even the "homoeroticism in prog-rock" thread. Just a >few dumb questions: Hi Peter! glad to see I`m not the only one with lots of "dumb" questions. (Not that I think your questions are dumb at all!) Just make shure you enjoy your moment in the sun. When I was "the new guy" they all replied to my mails , but then..........well , you came along and suddenly I wasn`t "the new guy with lots of dumb questions" anymore. I was just the guy with the dumb questions.....:-) So Im still in the dark on them expression pedals........ Yours , Thomas W BTW , I`m not bitter at all.........:-) From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 18:28:54 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 17:36:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBV1E-0001Em-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:36:48 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: physical modeling Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 02:32:06 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4a32$016ec9e0$7b414382@hovard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"JZ_NQ.A.o7.gWfA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3916 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:36:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 55fc2bfdce7e43e7c42a055d9688d26b Hi , this isn`t exactly loopology , but I was wondering if any of you have checked out the Roland VG-8 or as similar "physical modeling" Devices (like the Johnson Millenium)?? When/if that technology takes off(price/availabitily/quality) I think that will change the sounds off guitarplayers forever. Imagine starting >from scratch , without ANY preconcieved sound as a startingpoint. I think this is KINDA along the lines of the future of looping-thread.........To add to that thread: I think the future of looping lies in the hope that technology will be more accessible and affordable. When the VG-8 and the Echoplex cost less than a new strat I think more players are going to check them out........thus bringing looping into less "weird" territories and different styles. Lets face it: Us David Torn fans ain`t exactly a BIG percent of the musicians out there. Yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 18:28:57 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 17:50:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBVES-0002f8-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:50:28 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:40:32 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: A new question Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803072040_MC2-35EE-E12@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"c1W1dB.A.ogB.udfA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3919 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:50:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 3bcd9496f3b66f64906d56c94160739a matthew hahn wrote: >I want to know what people are doing and why. That's all. Lay it down. Since I'm unfortunately only engaged such current lowly pursuits as DJing music such as ambient, jungle, so called "intelligent techno" and anything else dished into the marketing mix if you will, I will keep my ignorant mouth shut. I hope I just received on the wrong day.< Well, what's so low about *DJing*? That's one barrier that a lot of so-called *musicians* are going to have to get over. One thing that I've learned in the last coupler years (being a sophisticated *musi* myself ;-) ) is that a good DJ is completely equivalent to a good musician. A good DJ is more than someone with a cool record collection (I'm talking about good DJ's here - not the dudes who play CD's at frat parties). You've got to be able to feel the mood of the crowd and ride them out. DJ's and *sampling artists* are also becoming integrated into the normal band thing. There are currently all sorts of bands where this is already the case. In fact, there is a thriving scene in Berlin, Germany (where I currently live) for this sort of stuff right now. Funny that no one wants to be able to sell us the equipment we want, because there's definitely a hunger for it here (Anybody home up at Oberheim, Deutschland, nein?). Although, I saw a looper from Vestax (DJ equipment) yesterday - does Oberheim really take this market seriously - I doubt that anybody other than Mr. Flint knows that it exists ... :-( And seeing as you asked - I'll tell you what I'm currently up to here ... . I'm playing with ROPE and we'll have our first CD released on Geist Records (Alec Empire's new label) world-wide on March 23. This baby's been in the can for more than a year now, so it pains me to think this is supposed to be representative of our current music - but that's inevitable "lag" effect. The best track on there is "Fellini" (yes, looping!) so give it as listen as a DJ or music admirer - tell me what you think. Personally, I'm a drummer/ percussionist who includes drum machines in my repertoire. Although I come from a jazz/heavy metal background ;-) , I really dig recording drummy loops and mixing them down DJ-style (OK, I can't scratch, but ...). I also like to play live, but that's an entirely different scenario - I play da drums (loud) in that case ... Being a DJ, you should definitely check out a new film called "Modulations" about the whole DJ/ D'nB/ Jungle dance scene. I posted a while back about it, so I won't rant any further ... Aha, i see self-indulgence mode never got turned off ... oops **GIG TIP** Any of you who'll be at the SXSW in Austin, Texas (why do I always think NRA when I think of Texas?) will be able to see ROPE live, headlining the Kitty-Yo label nite - ask me for details if you're interested. Rob in Bear-lin From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 18:28:56 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 17:50:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBVE2-0002bh-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:50:02 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:40:35 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: Setup Time for Loop Rig Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803072040_MC2-35EE-E15@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"sQNRSD.A.6hB.2dfA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3920 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:50:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 89436f389d73a148f804d98e22e881bc Dave Eichenberger wrote: > I was wondering how long it takes everyone to set up at a gig with their looping rig- anyone have any time/space saving advice???< So you've got too much stuff - just like me? I not only have to set up a 4 pc. drum kit, I also have to unpack all my percussion and then I have to wire my mixer/ looper/ effects ... #-( Unpacking after the show can be even worse, depending how much free beer (+???) I've been offered ... My bandmate has recently *hard-wired* his electronics in a rack and that saves "some" time. Nonetheless, it seems to me that all of the "line checks"/ "faulty cable search" stuff is inevitable ... TIME. I shoulda stuck to playing jaw harp ... Rob (hey, I remembered to use Re: in the header) From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 18:28:56 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 17:50:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBVEA-0002cf-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:50:10 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:40:39 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: From a new guy with lots of dumb questions Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803072040_MC2-35EE-E17@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"8q6dJC.A.ggB.udfA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3918 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:50:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 994ff8241430e6958128cf1108c41929 Patrick Fingerpaint wrote: >My favoritee was a loop that begins a piece on our cassette which was marbles in a vase with water feeding a vortex. This was then looped and made a carpet for the rest of the piece to play on.< This sounds crunchy (like a 70's shag carpet in the family room) - can ya explain further? (I know, talking about music is like dancing about architecture) Thanks, Rob in Berlin From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 18:28:55 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 17:49:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBVDb-0002YX-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:49:35 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:40:45 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: SV: contestant nr2: prog rock--is it homoerotic? Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803072040_MC2-35EE-E19@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"AbhSKC.A.-eB.mdfA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3917 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:49:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 0df62fb963f80fe3d6a4ced79aad3ef8 buzzard wrote: >Well... people have talked before about the possibility of visual accompaniment for loops... I've always been pretty down on the idea because visual looping pretty much has to be static (I think video feedback might be more analogous)... but there _is_ an industry of visual "loops" [1]... so if you really want we could connect this topic back to looping I'm sure...< Hey, our band sometimes plays with a video *scratcher* who mixes his stuff on top of our music. He works with pre-recorded cut-up videos and "blends" them together. Anybody else doing this? Interestingly, people come up to us after the show saying that they understood all sorts of symbolic stuff etc. - none of which was intended. It seems that *loopy* music fits really well with videos - I hope that it has nothing to do with said auduence's substance abuse/ overuse. People just make their own associations between image and sound - fascinating. Rob From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 18:28:59 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 18:14:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBVc6-0004TW-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:14:54 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:12:07 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: tomroady@mail.telalink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: tomroady@telalink.net (THOMAS W ROADY) Subject: Billy Cobham Resent-Message-ID: <"8b8qhD.A.07D.95fA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3921 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:14:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 50aef5765ec6aa8ba681fdad127e2d97 babs wrote.............. >------------------------------ >Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:54:19 +0000 >From: babs >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Billy Cobham >Message-ID: > >Just got back in from seeing Billy Cobham and Randy Brecker in concert, >the gig was great, and the band came back on for an encore and Billy >Cobham had a drum machine strapped on like a guitar, it was like those >keyboards you strap on, anyway he started playing and then looping! >I glanced down at his feet and there was an Oberheim controller on the >floor, perhaps he was using an echoplex? He did a short segment and then >the band played the final song, he said they were trying something new, >perhaps he's got into looping? > >Babs > >------------------------------ babs, What Billy Cobham was playing was a ZENDRUM. I am the clinician for the company which is located in Atlanta. Thei webb address is www.zendrumcorp.com I haven't seen what Billy is doing with it and the EDP but I'm using them both and loving it! Tom "Technology is rampant. We live in a world where the same technology that allows men to walk on the moon is being used to make plastic dogshit" Leland Sklar...Bass Player March 92' Hey! don't forget to check out my CD, ZENDRUM : ONE TRIBE featured in Dec. 97 ELECTRONIC MUSICIAN Pro File and March 98 KEYBOARD Discoveries column...To hear excerpts dial the Museline at 617-497-5786 ext.# 9363......VISIT MY HOMEPAGE AT: http://www.nashville.net/~tomroady From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 18:29:05 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 18:19:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBVgz-00054s-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:19:57 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: Frisell/Torn???? Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 03:12:49 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4a37$b1979540$e1024382@hovard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"pAXGiB.A.iPE.z8fA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3922 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:19:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 2120fbebd99c2f5e6ccb1ee2e6ddce3f Has frisell and torn ever released a cd together??? If so , can any of you give me the name of the cd and the record company? Thanks in advance. Yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 23:20:39 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 20:42:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBXv0-0004x1-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:42:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980307223941.0069b62c@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 22:39:41 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: A new question In-Reply-To: <199803072040_MC2-35EE-E12@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"L8v2AD.A.xJE.EDiA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3924 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:42:34 -0800 X-UIDL: e69049fb3c00e21ff2c8067b38370b91 Hey, I'm not naturally polemic, I was just at caffeination point... I have to agree on the subject of DJing. I am not knocking it, but in deference to looping I'm willing to submit that DJing is more emotional than technical, more creation of moods from other people's music, than creating one's own. In coincidence of what you are speaking, I'm in beginning German, have a couple friends there as well (Berlin), I also might be coming there in the summer. I'm learning this because of G. sound history and my degree at U.T. Austin of communications sound production. As for interrelating DJing and sampling I'd think that would be a strong avenue, though in the U.S. as usual, the coasts will see it first, I cannot see said intrigue being even underground here. Could you list a few examples? I think it could be a big market when cost-effective; often myself and other "fronds" will think, if this song could add this or that sound it would "kick skillet." That's what we kick in the West, at least us. God Records huh? As far a global understanding of record companies, I'm limited to mainly far W. European labels, Japanese, Brazil, and American. Relatively new Das Ich, Lacrimosa, Covenant, Aurora some darker stuff, also E.N., Der Klang Der Familie, etc. techno, are what I listen to from there. Hard to get? My situation currently forces me to play at houses, not frat, to about 200-300 people. Austin does not have any club scene of note, though had I written this 1 year ago, I could be quite content. Inconsistency. A so-called Drum n' Bass club here plays crappy music when and before it gets to D n B. Scratching is a big issue of itself, I can't disrespect it when it is used well, but if it isn't tight or sounds too high in the mix, I tend to question. I use cds because of utility. As for equipment, I rent different amps/speakers packages and use an old Roland 4 track. I also do not have pitch bend, another blow, for lps or those with "dolls" enough to use cd pitch shifters. Have you seen/used the cd- spin tables? So running below low-tech, I keep to that mood issue, but I work on entrances and exits. I streamline timing prior and decide on how songs will tansfer, instead of synchronicity of the beat, I take music or effects, crescendo, des., effects from cds, lps, as movement. Intermix's song "Targeted" has a nice metallic scratch which suddenly goes into bass ambience... I think all things have their points, and some Jungle justifies its bass and hectic drums, some misused. The warm dropping bass sounds, specific name?, of Jungle seem to have a strong future. Roni Size, Grooverider Presents, Metalheadz Must Burn. Mjh From ???@??? Sat Mar 07 23:20:40 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 7 20:43:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBXwA-00056L-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:43:46 -0800 Message-ID: <350221E2.D174CF51@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:43:14 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kim's Musical "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" References: <3.0.5.32.19970811172054.007a2530@pop3.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"of2CYD.A.APE.uDiA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3925 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:43:46 -0800 X-UIDL: f3117b061a9012bd87264bdf4505f68f Well I have to say that my wife of 15 yrs.sings along with Ann Murry,but digs Praxis,Ministry,and BobWills.but if you want homo-eroticism check this out. http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index-5.html Jeff Goddess wrote: > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >From: Goddess > >Subject: Re: Kim's Musical "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" > >In-Reply-To: > > > > You know, it's really making me uncomfortable to be present on this list > when all I'm hearing lately is "my girl friend does or doesn't do this", or > the implication that all women love Tori or something like "yuck! girl > germs!". This type of thing is really getting irritating. Did it ever > occur to those of you who are complaining about your partners to a mailing > list of people across the world who you don't even know, to get to know the > people whom you're dating before you started dating them? If these issues > are really as important to you as you've been saying, then you might > consider doing something about it. The fact that I am a woman doesn't stop > me from liking or performing many different types of music and creative > expression. I enjoy music which I think is music of quality, whether it is > in a major or minor key, in an "odd" time signature and so on... Many of > my close friends like very similar music and art... We do exist! we are > out here! we are quite a bit more plentiful than you think... > > Now, since I was hoping that this thread was pretty much on it's way out > and because I favor Kim's suggestion to leave this and move on to the > "future loop music" topic, I'll not speak on this again unless someone > addresses me personally. > > Sincerely, > > Corynne > > At 8:24:19 AM, Tom wrote: > >> > >>>Face it - some of the stuff that we like just makes people want > >>>to be far away. > >> > >>I can sum it up in one sentence- My girlfriend hates anything in minor keys, > >>microtones, and odd meters. She even hates the one bend Steve Howe plays in > >>"I've Seen All Good People!" > >> > >> > >>Marshall > >> > >> > >> From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 02:08:27 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 00:23:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBbNF-0005i3-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 00:23:57 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19970811172054.007a2530@pop3.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 00:19:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Kim's Musical "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" Resent-Message-ID: <"PphXP.A.ILF.eUlA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3927 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 00:23:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 02379f25478d1735429c5dc9d7669651 Yes, I totally agree. What started as rather warm and light-hearted complaints about people we care about has frequently devolved into uncomfortable stereotypes that don't belong here. Same goes for the gay thing. I probably provoked both threads for a moment of levity, although I certainly didn't expect them to drag on this long. Nor did I expect them to become offensive, so I apologize for the list to anybody who was bothered by it. Once again, let's move on. And thanks for speaking up Corynne. Feel free to kick butt anytime. :-) kim At 5:20 PM -0700 8/11/97, Goddess wrote: > You know, it's really making me uncomfortable to be present on this list >when all I'm hearing lately is "my girl friend does or doesn't do this", or >the implication that all women love Tori or something like "yuck! girl >germs!". This type of thing is really getting irritating. Did it ever >occur to those of you who are complaining about your partners to a mailing >list of people across the world who you don't even know, to get to know the >people whom you're dating before you started dating them? If these issues >are really as important to you as you've been saying, then you might >consider doing something about it. The fact that I am a woman doesn't stop >me from liking or performing many different types of music and creative >expression. I enjoy music which I think is music of quality, whether it is >in a major or minor key, in an "odd" time signature and so on... Many of >my close friends like very similar music and art... We do exist! we are >out here! we are quite a bit more plentiful than you think... > >Now, since I was hoping that this thread was pretty much on it's way out >and because I favor Kim's suggestion to leave this and move on to the >"future loop music" topic, I'll not speak on this again unless someone >addresses me personally. > >Sincerely, > >Corynne ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 12:03:55 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 06:20:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBgwF-0001C9-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 06:20:27 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980308023212.2ee7197a@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 02:32:12 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: loops and video? an UFOs ??? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19970811231844.007af570@pop3.concentric.net> References: <199803072040_MC2-35EE-E19@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gxSoXC.A.u8.wiqA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3936 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 06:20:27 -0800 X-UIDL: ada48d095ef5dc39c6db78f01191fe39 hi, well at my last gig,,,i used a video loop as well,,,i recorded about 20 minutes of UFO footage (shot with home cameras,,,by normal ma & pa types),,,this footage played silent ,,,while i made live music,,,,the video looped 3 times..my intent was to take the audience's attention off of me,,,and place it on the video monitor,,,and allow me to provide a canvas of music and sound,,,it worked ok,,,but i might not try it again,,,i already have too much equipment as it is (the geek factor)... james"gradually going tornado" rhodes At 11:18 PM 8/11/97 -0700, you wrote: > I did a project years ago which combined loop music with video, though it >was never finished due to some extenuating circumstances, the concept and >workingresult came off much better than we'd expected. I think loops and >video can work wonderfully together. I've toyed with the idea for quite >some time off putting together a performance which involved loop music, >video or slides with dance and/or performance art. I got this idea after >opening for Jilly Smithe who did a wonderful spoken-word performance with >slides and musical accompaniment. I was really bothered that I couldn't >move around or dance during some of the loops as I was "leashed" to my >equiptment. As far as the direction of looping is concerned, I think it >may involve more combinations of musical styles which weren't previously >put together as fusion has done. I also see it branching out into other >musical styles as well which it is already doing. The instrumentation is >also becomming more and more diverse, and I think this will only continue. >Couple these ideas with multi-media and movement, and we really have a lot >to look forward to... > >smiles, > >Corynne > >At 08:40 PM 3/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >>buzzard wrote: >>>Well... people have talked before about the >>possibility of visual accompaniment for loops... >>I've always been pretty down on the idea because >>visual looping pretty much has to be static >>(I think video feedback might be more analogous)... >>but there _is_ an industry of visual "loops" [1]... >>so if you really want we could connect this >>topic back to looping I'm sure...< >> >>Hey, our band sometimes plays with a video *scratcher* >>who mixes his stuff on top of our music. He works with >>pre-recorded cut-up videos and "blends" them together. >>Anybody else doing this? Interestingly, people come up >>to us after the show saying that they understood >>all sorts of symbolic stuff etc. - none of which was intended. >>It seems that *loopy* music fits really well with videos - I >>hope that it has nothing to do with said auduence's >>substance abuse/ overuse. People just make their own >>associations between image and sound - fascinating. >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> > > > > From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 12:03:46 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 04:35:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBfIL-0004Hv-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 04:35:09 -0800 Message-ID: <350290FF.FDF00144@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 07:37:19 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kim's Musical "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LSGdwB.A.K2D.CApA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3928 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 04:35:09 -0800 X-UIDL: bb2b86847d2c719281a3d703ce05f9e6 Yeah,I'm not gay but I do have some gay friends and this line was even making me uncomfortable.However the three paramedic lesbiens that live next door thought the whole thread was hilarious. Jeff Kim Flint wrote: > Yes, I totally agree. What started as rather warm and light-hearted > complaints about people we care about has frequently devolved into > uncomfortable stereotypes that don't belong here. Same goes for the gay > thing. I probably provoked both threads for a moment of levity, although I > certainly didn't expect them to drag on this long. Nor did I expect them to > become offensive, so I apologize for the list to anybody who was bothered > by it. Once again, let's move on. > > And thanks for speaking up Corynne. Feel free to kick butt anytime. :-) > > kim > > At 5:20 PM -0700 8/11/97, Goddess wrote: > > You know, it's really making me uncomfortable to be present on this list > >when all I'm hearing lately is "my girl friend does or doesn't do this", or > >the implication that all women love Tori or something like "yuck! girl > >germs!". This type of thing is really getting irritating. Did it ever > >occur to those of you who are complaining about your partners to a mailing > >list of people across the world who you don't even know, to get to know the > >people whom you're dating before you started dating them? If these issues > >are really as important to you as you've been saying, then you might > >consider doing something about it. The fact that I am a woman doesn't stop > >me from liking or performing many different types of music and creative > >expression. I enjoy music which I think is music of quality, whether it is > >in a major or minor key, in an "odd" time signature and so on... Many of > >my close friends like very similar music and art... We do exist! we are > >out here! we are quite a bit more plentiful than you think... > > > >Now, since I was hoping that this thread was pretty much on it's way out > >and because I favor Kim's suggestion to leave this and move on to the > >"future loop music" topic, I'll not speak on this again unless someone > >addresses me personally. > > > >Sincerely, > > > >Corynne > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 12:03:48 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 04:49:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBfW0-00059K-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 04:49:16 -0800 Message-ID: <3502944A.D518794C@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 07:51:22 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Setup Time for Loop Rig References: <199803072040_MC2-35EE-E15@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mCLxJC.A.koE.LNpA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3930 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 04:49:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 9a59ff01149d23bf8df19aa7cd58349a I'm never going to move my stuff again(idel talk) club owners always bitch at how long it takes me to set up for that Wed. night at 11.00 free gig.I had it down to about 15 min with color coded and bundled cables and they still gripe.Then they complain that nobody orders any booze when I play cause they want to see what I'm going to do next. I'm going to put some pics of my rig later so you'all can see what I mean. Jeff (I can't win for losing) Duke R & T Cummings wrote: > Dave Eichenberger wrote: > > I was wondering how long it takes everyone to set up at a gig with their > looping rig- anyone have any time/space saving advice???< > > So you've got too much stuff - just like me? I not only have to set up a > 4 pc. drum kit, I also have to unpack all my percussion and then I have > to wire my mixer/ looper/ effects ... #-( > > Unpacking after the show can be even worse, depending how much free > beer (+???) I've been offered ... > > My bandmate has recently *hard-wired* his electronics in a rack and that > saves "some" time. Nonetheless, it seems to me that all of the "line > checks"/ "faulty cable search" stuff is inevitable ... TIME. > > I shoulda stuck to playing jaw harp ... > > Rob > > (hey, I remembered to use Re: in the header) From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 12:03:49 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 04:54:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBfb3-0005cm-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 04:54:29 -0800 Message-ID: <35029588.7E8C7D39@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 07:56:40 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kim's Musical "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" References: <3.0.1.16.19980308142137.0daf2e72@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CSnaq.A.IGF.KSpA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3931 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 04:54:29 -0800 X-UIDL: df583cf656be787642bc0ae45b0fe8a6 I love my RF String quintet cd.They atain a almost etheral quality at times.What other cd's could you recomend? Jeff Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: > Me: > >> My wife seems to avoid my entire music collection, period. However, I've > >> picked up on various new musics by taking her to Celtic concerts. > >> Especially when some Celtic harp music sounds more like RF than RF!! :) > > John Stevens: > >I'd be intrigued to know what RF music you consider to be "Celtic harp > >music" !?!:-) > > His "crafty" acoustic work - percussive, acoustic, lots of intertwining > counterpoint, very regular and precise note lengths. Compare to the work > of, say, Sileas - a Graswegian harp duo, and they are very similar. Except > the harps sound more impressive since they can play more notes at once... > > > sure you don't mean Robin Williamson???;-) > > I'm pretty sure... who's Robin Williamson? > > Michael From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 12:03:50 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 05:01:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBfhq-00061U-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 05:01:30 -0800 Message-ID: <35029728.BEFF56D3@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 08:03:36 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Setup Time for Loop Rig References: <199803072040_MC2-35EE-E15@compuserve.com> <3502944A.D518794C@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0IwmX.A.XdF.tYpA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3932 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 05:01:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 9cc69c5105723eef4f398ee4d140c38b Jeff Duke wrote: > I'm never going to move my stuff again(idel talk) club owners always bitch at > how long it takes me to set up for that Wed. night at 11.00 free gig. > Jeff (I can't win for losing) Duke > > R & T Cummings wrote: > I was wondering how long it takes everyone to set up at a gig with their > > looping rig- anyone have any time/space saving advice???< > > > > Dave Eichenberger wrote: > > >Unpacking after the show can be even worse, depending how much free > > beer (+???) I've been offered ... > > Why do they always seem to have Newcastle on tap when I'm trying to be serious?Jeff(no more than two )Duke From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 12:03:51 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 05:14:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBfuZ-0006Xl-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 05:14:39 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <698abc01.3502990a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:11:36 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Setup Time for Loop Rig Content-type: text/plain X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"y1QwZC.A.W-F.KlpA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3933 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 05:14:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 341c59a4569e4c73243f4d44760929c6 In a message dated 3/7/98 4:58:47 PM, you wrote: <> About 5 min. Just a R/L line out from my rack to the house PA (if no sound system's available it takes a couple more minutes to hook to my own stereo sound system-2 Roland KC300s). Rack contains 2 JMen, Digi RDS 8000, Vortex, Mackie 1202vlz. Floor pedals consist of Digitech RP20 (for the melody side of the Stick¨), 2 Lexi stock (!!!) pedals (1 for each Jman for tap/reset), 1 Roland fs-5u (for hold function on rds8000) and one roland fv-50 volume pedal (to feed /not feed signal to the rds 8000). Cables coming out of the rack to the pedals are bundled in 1" corrogated tubing and labled. So basically it's just plugging in, connecting a few pedals, the line outs and away we go. - Paul From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 12:03:54 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 05:37:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBgH7-0007N1-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 05:37:57 -0800 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:33:54 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: AW: Plex memory question Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199803080834_MC2-35F0-BF50@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"3D7pZD.A.VuG.z6pA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3934 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 05:37:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 5c4b9690e67cdfc9f851d14e3ab595c4 >For the echoplex, the max is four 4MB simms, for 16MB total. When >the echoplex first came out that memory cost about $800 - $1000, >now it's about $50-$70. maybe this has been addressed somewhere before, but ... I just upgraded the Echoplex that I bought a month ago - it had 4MB and I put 16 in. The memory was dirt cheap but I heard from several people now that the old 30-pin Simms are becoming rare, and that it is quite likely that it will be very difficult to get them in a few months from now. Does Oberheim still use the old Simms - and isn't it possible to change the hardware to use the new ones? michael peters mpeters@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters.htm From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 13:15:53 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 13:04:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBnFS-0006Jg-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:04:42 -0800 X-Sender: breakz@pop.hom.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:05:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: breakz@hom.net (David Ferguson) Subject: Re: Electro Harmonix Problem Resent-Message-ID: <"Sq_Q1C.A.YqF.RdwA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3946 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:04:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 02e6af76978ce3a641fe047b7abb2a48 boost the signal with a preamp after the electroharmonix 16sec daniel >I'm new to the list, so I apologize if this question has been covered >previously. > >I am a guitar player and I'm trying to use an Electro Harmonix 16 sec delay >in conjunction with a Digitech GSP 2101 effects processor/preamp. I want to >take the signal out of the 2101's effect loop and return it to the input of >the effect loop. The problem is the effect return wants to see a +4db >signal level, and I'm guessing the Electro is sending -10db. The returned >signal is far too quiet. >I have asked the question on the 2101 list, but have not found a solution. >I noticed in the FAQ for the Oberheim echoplex on the looper's delight web >page there is a description of a mod which alows the same sort of thing for >this unit. It involves replacing some resistors. > >Anyone ever heard of, or tried anything similar with the GSP unit? > >Also, (sorry for the long message) anyone using an Echoplex - What is the >signal strength coming from its outputs? How much $$ is it (Canadian)? > >Thanks in advance! >-j From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:32:42 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 13:21:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBnVl-00008q-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:21:33 -0800 X-Sender: breakz@pop.hom.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:19:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: breakz@hom.net (David Ferguson) Subject: Re: Decent inexpensive reverbs?--Lexicon Reflex Resent-Message-ID: <"h-mEJ.A.FwG.LqwA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3948 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:21:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 0331e8ef59ee6b1f76e3fbaa8f0b04c1 I got a reflex in last december for a good price its got very nice midi for sure, I use a korg Prophecy to tweak\program you can also use reflexes front panel its got nice presets for non programmer types 1 large hall 2 vocal hall 3 piano hall 4 music club 5 guitar stage 6 small room 7 inverse 8 gate 9 rich plate 10 drum plate 11 vocal plate 12 flanger 13 chorus 14 canyon 15 multi taps 16 resonator daniel >Hello all, >I'm not trying to drag the discussion down into gear geek talk but I was >wondering what reverb processors everyone here uses. I'm in the market for >a new reverb but I >don't have a lot of cash, so is there anything out there that is decent for >not a lot of money? (The eternal question) >I heard that Lexicon recently discontinued the Reflex, a reverb unit that >came out around the time of the JamMan and Vortex. I think it's somewhat >programmable and has MIDI implementation. Has any one heard or used one of >these and what do you think of it? I remember when Lexicon discontinued the >JamMan and Vortex, people were finding them at music store blowouts for >$150-200. Has anybody seen any Reflexes going dirt cheap? >Thanks! >Ed From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 12:04:11 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 10:06:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBkT3-0003Ja-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:06:33 -0800 Message-ID: <86jr8CAVfrA1Ew5r@d1-2517d.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:23:01 +0000 To: tomroady@telalink.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: babs Subject: Re: Billy Cobham In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Resent-Message-ID: <"VhLeTD.A.U2C.P2tA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3941 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:06:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 5c070eeaf024b3ea1453b80b41f23b14 > babs, What Billy Cobham was playing was a ZENDRUM. I am the >clinician for the company which is located in Atlanta. Thei webb address is > > www.zendrumcorp.com >I haven't seen what Billy is doing with it and the EDP but I'm using them >both and loving it! > > Tom Thanks for the info! I checked out the site and he appears to be using the ZX model in the 'Blue Clear' finish. He said the band was going to be recording in London soon, so he might have some looping on his next album. Babs From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 12:03:58 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 07:43:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBiEj-00041l-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 07:43:37 -0800 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:38:03 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: loops and video? and future looping... Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803081039_MC2-35FE-367A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"zBATjB.A.VZD.ZvrA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3937 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 07:43:37 -0800 X-UIDL: c3efa7838c1c58b6bf6efb9b2151a8b9 Corynne wrote: >Couple these ideas with multi-media and movement, and we really have a lot to look forward to...< On the idea of movement, has anybody tried out the dimension beam MIDI controllers yet? Or has anybody tried out the new Roland boxes with built-in beams? Rob From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 12:03:58 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 07:44:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBiFA-00045E-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 07:44:04 -0800 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:38:07 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: A new question Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803081039_MC2-35FE-367D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"V5lXRB.A.dbD.ovrA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3938 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 07:44:04 -0800 X-UIDL: fbeafea20967ab7074f5a88e7982b663 matthew hahn wrote: >I have to agree on the subject of DJing. I am not knocking it, but in >deference to looping I'm willing to submit that DJing is more emotional >than technical, more creation of moods from other people's music, than >creating one's own.< I think the hybrid form of DJ-sampler-musician is really happening, too. Bands like Soul Coughing have been doing this for a while,even if that got a bit stale. New York is definitely a hotbed for this sort of stuff. Anybody heard/ seen Dave Douglas "Sanctuary" with A. Coleman and Yuka Honda doing live sampling? How about B. Ostertag and "Say No More"? From the more groove-oriented side, there are two bands here in Berlin who can really move: "Paloma" and "Elektronauten". Other bands doing interesting stuff are "Tarwater" and "Hexer", as well as "Mouse On Mars" from Duesseldorf. You should be able to find out about these bands in "The Wire" or similar mags. And what about "Tortoise" from Chicago, anybody heard their new cd "TNT"? I'm not a DJ-DJ, so I haven't had a chance to try out cd-scratching either - although I have seen the units around a lot. Anybody else? What looked interesting was a delay-based table-top looping unit from Vestax for DJ's - I bet you could create great transitions with that machine. Don't know anything about the sound quality though ... >In coincidence of what you are speaking, I'm in beginning German, have a >couple friends there as well (Berlin), I also might be coming there in the >summer. I'm learning this because of G. sound history and my degree at >U.T. Austin of communications sound production. Well, tell me if you come - maybe we can meet up. I can introduce you to some folks here - even get you some DJ gigs! BTW, Europe rules when it comes to actually getting paid! I'm originally >from Vancouver, Canada where the "pay to play" concept is the norm. Hope that this doesn't infiltrate Germany ... Rob From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 12:04:06 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 07:56:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBiR5-0004yZ-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 07:56:23 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980308105700.007c1820@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 10:57:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: DT in Philly Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"49TrF.A.KYE.87rA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3939 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 07:56:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 6921774b0179460763e0e4d7c92cd548 DT entertained us well in Philly last night. Sometimes I found myself gear-watching - trying to follow what was happening. Most of the time I just listened. We were lucky enough to get a spot on the floor down front with some cushions. I just laid back and listened. Nice uses of looping and down seemlessly for the most part. David's sonic textures kept me guessing. In his words after the first piece, "I have no idea, either". Unfortunately, the performance had to end shortly after the intermission because, being held in a building of a university that is on Spring break seems to mean the building manager gets to kick everyone out and go home after 10 PM :( Come back soon, David. From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 12:04:10 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 09:34:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBjy7-0001RQ-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:34:35 -0800 From: bryan.helm@dinosaur.com Message-ID: <9803080946.0DPZ000@dinosaur.com> Organization: The Dinosaur Board X-Mailer: TBBS/TIGER v1.0 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 98 09:46:02 -0700 Subject: a woman's ears To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"M5PRDC.A.TJB.nYtA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3940 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:34:35 -0800 X-UIDL: abd51022f7eaa43286a950ecb9fe970e Dear Loopers The recent "my girlfriend" thread reminds me of the old folk song "momma don't allow no guitar playing round here". But so far, no one has mentioned the fact that there are actual physical differences in HOW men and women perceive sound....for instance, female ears are able to hear in higher ranges than most males. This effect is especially pronounced at times of hormonal surges, and many women find those high (screechy) notes physically uncomfortable. The biological reasons (and I'm not making this up; I've read the medical/scientific studies on this) behind this seem to be pointing towards millions of years of conditioning females to hear those babies (high pitched and loud in their frequencies) and it causes a certain biological trigger (make it stop!). This is especially true of REPETITIVE (ie loops, anyone?) loud, high pitched sound. And while women, especially when in MOM mode, have a certain amount of tolerance built up for repetition (Mom? Mom? Mom? Can I...Mom?)they may not always choose to seek it out recreationally.... And did anyone see the article in the newspaper this week about the inner ear differences (structureally speaking) between lesbian inner ears and heterosexual female inner ears? Seems the lesbian ears are more like men's ears......perhaps because of hormonal differences while still in the womb.... However, NO sweeping generalities can be made when talking about sensory awareness---I'm female, and I LOVE many kinds of loop music, even loud, even odd pitches....I lived with a bagpiper once, who played in the house on bad weather days. and it was great! And 17 years of listening to Bryan's music has not bored me---though there are the occasional high notes that drive me from the room.... Sarajane Helm From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 12:04:12 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 10:20:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBkgj-0004Gq-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:20:41 -0800 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:17:56 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: jimarnt@mail.interlog.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: jimarnt@interlog.com (Jim Arnott) Subject: Electro Harmonix Problem Resent-Message-ID: <"MtZK2C.A.uuD.ZDuA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3942 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:20:41 -0800 X-UIDL: b436e7b0fb4932a541e279a6f62a5470 I'm new to the list, so I apologize if this question has been covered previously. I am a guitar player and I'm trying to use an Electro Harmonix 16 sec delay in conjunction with a Digitech GSP 2101 effects processor/preamp. I want to take the signal out of the 2101's effect loop and return it to the input of the effect loop. The problem is the effect return wants to see a +4db signal level, and I'm guessing the Electro is sending -10db. The returned signal is far too quiet. I have asked the question on the 2101 list, but have not found a solution. I noticed in the FAQ for the Oberheim echoplex on the looper's delight web page there is a description of a mod which alows the same sort of thing for this unit. It involves replacing some resistors. Anyone ever heard of, or tried anything similar with the GSP unit? Also, (sorry for the long message) anyone using an Echoplex - What is the signal strength coming from its outputs? How much $$ is it (Canadian)? Thanks in advance! -j From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 12:04:13 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 11:03:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBlLf-0006WT-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:02:59 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803081039_MC2-35FE-367A@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:09:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Decent inexpensive reverbs?--Lexicon Reflex Resent-Message-ID: <"Hgs8tC.A.A5F.UruA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3943 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:02:59 -0800 X-UIDL: e2aa77f55de30512cd9471594f46e92f Hello all, I'm not trying to drag the discussion down into gear geek talk but I was wondering what reverb processors everyone here uses. I'm in the market for a new reverb but I don't have a lot of cash, so is there anything out there that is decent for not a lot of money? (The eternal question) I heard that Lexicon recently discontinued the Reflex, a reverb unit that came out around the time of the JamMan and Vortex. I think it's somewhat programmable and has MIDI implementation. Has any one heard or used one of these and what do you think of it? I remember when Lexicon discontinued the JamMan and Vortex, people were finding them at music store blowouts for $150-200. Has anybody seen any Reflexes going dirt cheap? Thanks! Ed From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 13:15:50 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 12:28:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBmgZ-0003w5-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 12:28:39 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: Am I beeing ignored? Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:23:57 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4ad0$1f8f9b40$ab424382@hovard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"g_ap6B.A.xbD.b7vA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3944 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 12:28:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 55e9027441a3a622a04c8f7e8167c34a Hi folks! I have been sending in mails left and ringt but noone replies.......:-( Are the mails failing to get through ? Or is it simply that I`m such a bore that you`ve all stopped reading my mails :-) ???? Please let me know what is going on. your , Thomas W From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 13:15:51 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 12:33:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBmlT-0004Uq-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 12:33:43 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980308143214.006864c0@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 14:32:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: a woman's ears In-Reply-To: <9803080946.0DPZ000@dinosaur.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GPEwCB.A.I8D.IAwA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3945 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 12:33:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 82e7a3461372d49c65c1060546af93b8 That's very interesting and brings up a whole new list of issues not looping, e.g. genetic structures of homo-bi-heterosexual people. Maybe we can all do a DNA loop, any genetic bio-engineers out there? (-; From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:32:41 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 13:19:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBnTw-0007hA-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:19:40 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199803081039_MC2-35FE-367A@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:15:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Decent inexpensive reverbs?--Lexicon Reflex Resent-Message-ID: <"UFM7a.A.QoG.TpwA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3947 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:19:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 8ad2b9af69635a77ee631c26b512613c Manny's in NYC has the Reflex for $279. I got one and love it. Doubtful that you'll see them quite as cheap as with the Vortex blowouts, since that unit was useless (!) to a lot of minds.... >Hello all, >I'm not trying to drag the discussion down into gear geek talk but I was >wondering what reverb processors everyone here uses. I'm in the market for >a new reverb but I >don't have a lot of cash, so is there anything out there that is decent for >not a lot of money? (The eternal question) >I heard that Lexicon recently discontinued the Reflex, a reverb unit that >came out around the time of the JamMan and Vortex. I think it's somewhat >programmable and has MIDI implementation. Has any one heard or used one of >these and what do you think of it? I remember when Lexicon discontinued the >JamMan and Vortex, people were finding them at music store blowouts for >$150-200. Has anybody seen any Reflexes going dirt cheap? >Thanks! >Ed From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:32:43 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 13:24:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBnY8-0000Rs-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:24:00 -0800 From: Delayboy Message-ID: <8aeed328.35030acd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:16:59 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Decent inexpensive reverbs?--Lexicon Reflex Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"Pt_gWC.A.6CH.ZswA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3949 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:24:00 -0800 X-UIDL: fc41afe0eba3dd6b1a5d5ec383b73698 Hello fellow loopski's!!! I'm a new guy on the web here, but I was just ecstatic to find a community of moody loopy folks. I work in music retail here in Green Bay and so I try to stay up on the new gear. Unfortunately, I don't have any info on the Lexicon Reflex. I haven't seen any used ones here in GB. But, I wanted to suggest that the new Digitech Studio S100 as a new and inexpensive reverb option. Check out the review in Keyboard Magazine this month (or last month?). It has compression built in !!!! I've found that improvised loops really require a touch of compression to aid in dynamic range control and distortion avoidance. Hope that info will be helpful. we'll speak again soon!!! From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:32:43 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 13:28:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBnbz-0000ow-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:27:59 -0800 X-From_:ANET@aol.com Sun Mar 08 13:27:58 1998 Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.34] by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBnbx-0000kw-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:27:57 -0800 Received: from ANET@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id HTVBa04319 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:26:52 -0500 (EST) From: ANET Message-ID: <1c488826.35030d1e@aol.com> Old-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:26:52 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 3rd cd. project page has been updated. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:27:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 87d60f8dc427a5716b2a600ebd94567a href="members.aol.com/anet/3rdcd.html" >Check out some new sound samples on the project, send us a note with critique! Thanks! From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:32:45 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 13:40:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBno8-0001X8-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:40:32 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980308133713.00a27360@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 13:37:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Electro Harmonix Problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HhLCrB.A.vNB.C_wA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3950 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:40:32 -0800 X-UIDL: c94cede67277c9788ef76b97e95e74df An Ebtech Line-Level Shifter should do the trick. At 01:17 PM 3/8/98 -0500, Jim Arnott wrote: >I am a guitar player and I'm trying to use an Electro Harmonix 16 sec delay >in conjunction with a Digitech GSP 2101 effects processor/preamp. I want to >take the signal out of the 2101's effect loop and return it to the input of >the effect loop. The problem is the effect return wants to see a +4db >signal level, and I'm guessing the Electro is sending -10db. The returned >signal is far too quiet. From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:32:46 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 13:50:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBny2-0002DG-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:50:46 -0800 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:44:43 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Lexicon Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jCfbk.A.A1B.gIxA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3951 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:50:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 3116eaff7f710d0bd95be15e2986669e Hm, I'm seeing an alarming trend here. First the Jamman, then the Vortex, now the Reflex? Is the Alex next (or has it already been dropped)? Is Lexicon dropping it's 'low end' line all together? It'd really be a loss to the community. I think these units are the groovinest, coolest boxes I've ever layed ears on, especially for under $500. I only got my Vortex a couple of months ago, but besides a small distortion and a wah, it's all I use now for signal processing, completly replaced my Digitech processor. What's up? I'd hate to think we couldn't look forward to other affordable goodies from the great folks at Lexicon. --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:32:47 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 14:03:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBoAh-0003A5-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:03:51 -0800 Message-Id: <199803082201.RAA00810@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Jazzolution Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:00:21 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E5835B.A.9tC.0UxA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3952 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:03:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 92b4ec3891027829dbcd787eebf32a99 ahhhhh... the Evolution of Jazz.. >From Weather Report to Weather Channel...... From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:32:47 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 14:11:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBoHj-0003o3-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:11:07 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD4A9B.81C1F400.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: a woman's ears Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:05:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ngv-2C.A.xTD.kbxA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3953 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:11:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 63c84121e05d67c23ca289663c42cc19 Sarajane, thanks for writing! You've touched on something I've experienced, but did not realize had been scientifically documented. (S's post is copied at end...) Invariably, xy's I've played with have been able to handle louder high frequency volumes onstage than I, some by a considerable margin. (Maybe that's one reason why I'm into bass %^). This doesn't mean I don't like it totally intense and balls to the wall! Plus, overall I think my musical tastes are usually as out there as anybody's. So it may well be that, as you suggest Sarajane, in some situations volume can have more to do with discomfort than musical content. Non-musicians may not necessarily be able to articulate the difference. However, some people are just more into mainstream stuff than others (re the bedraggled "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" thread). Developing a taste for more fringe and eclectic music is a not only a function of personality, but also of experience and exposure. For instance, recently when I listened to what had been a favorite cd for the first time in about 15 years - I was really surprised how slick and unimaginative it sounded now. (I got off on *that*?) Guess it's mostly because I've been listening to and playing more experimental stuff in the interim. That's a good sign! The point is, if one's significant other/friend/partner isn't a musician or audiophile, maybe their lack of musical "sophistication" lies in part because they haven't had the advantage or pleasure of learning to listen in the ways that we as musicians do. If one of the reasons they are with us is because of our musical natures, maybe we can more systematically (and patiently!) help them develop that part of themselves as well. laurie Sarajane's post: Dear Loopers The recent "my girlfriend" thread reminds me of the old folk song "momma don't allow no guitar playing round here". But so far, no one has mentioned the fact that there are actual physical differences in HOW men and women perceive sound....for instance, female ears are able to hear in higher ranges than most males. This effect is especially pronounced at times of hormonal surges, and many women find those high (screechy) notes physically uncomfortable. The biological reasons (and I'm not making this up; I've read the medical/scientific studies on this) behind this seem to be pointing towards millions of years of conditioning females to hear those babies (high pitched and loud in their frequencies) and it causes a certain biological trigger (make it stop!). This is especially true of REPETITIVE (ie loops, anyone?) loud, high pitched sound. And while women, especially when in MOM mode, have a certain amount of tolerance built up for repetition (Mom? Mom? Mom? Can I...Mom?)they may not always choose to seek it out recreationally.... And did anyone see the article in the newspaper this week about the inner ear differences (structureally speaking) between lesbian inner ears and heterosexual female inner ears? Seems the lesbian ears are more like men's ears......perhaps because of hormonal differences while still in the womb.... However, NO sweeping generalities can be made when talking about sensory awareness---I'm female, and I LOVE many kinds of loop music, even loud, even odd pitches....I lived with a bagpiper once, who played in the house on bad weather days. and it was great! And 17 years of listening to Bryan's music has not bored me---though there are the occasional high notes that drive me from the room.... Sarajane Helm From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:32:48 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 14:17:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBoNQ-0004NN-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:17:00 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980308141318.00a38a40@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 14:13:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Jamma`m and WarTech`s In-Reply-To: <01bd4909$ca852a60$26424382@hovard> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xsErjB.A.U1D.5gxA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3954 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:17:00 -0800 X-UIDL: ec0a14478712b3b641b6e19b686c5be0 At 03:11 PM 3/6/98 +0100, Thomas W wrote: >On the subject of expressionpedals: Does anyone know of a good pedal?? I am looking for a > The Roland EV-5, Boss FV-50 and FV-100 all work fine with the MIDIMate - but with my FV-50 I had to reposition the potentiometer because it didn't give a full sweep to either the Vortex or the MIDIMate the way it came from the store. > > >On a different subject: Both the vortex and the patchmate have the ability to switch >channels on my amp. Which one do you recomend I use? > I recommend using the patchmate since it can be programmed to switch with a preset change on your MIDIMate - if you use the Vortex switch, you need another footpedal to control it. But it all depends on how you'll program your MIDIMate - do you want it to control channel switching? If so, then have the patchmate handle it. If you want to change channels independently of MIDIMate presets, then use the Vortex with an external footswitch. From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 12:03:48 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 04:41:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBfOY-0004ha-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 04:41:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980308142137.0daf2e72@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 14:21:37 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Kim's Musical "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" In-Reply-To: <199803070206.CAA26860@beryl.sol.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"D5TktD.A.RPE.CGpA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3929 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 04:41:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 4d7d55acab092b2b7416ba0b1361277a Me: >> My wife seems to avoid my entire music collection, period. However, I've >> picked up on various new musics by taking her to Celtic concerts. >> Especially when some Celtic harp music sounds more like RF than RF!! :) John Stevens: >I'd be intrigued to know what RF music you consider to be "Celtic harp >music" !?!:-) His "crafty" acoustic work - percussive, acoustic, lots of intertwining counterpoint, very regular and precise note lengths. Compare to the work of, say, Sileas - a Graswegian harp duo, and they are very similar. Except the harps sound more impressive since they can play more notes at once... > sure you don't mean Robin Williamson???;-) I'm pretty sure... who's Robin Williamson? Michael From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:32:49 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 14:27:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBoXP-00059U-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:27:19 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980308142219.00a3ba40@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 14:22:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Frisell/Torn???? In-Reply-To: <01bd4a37$b1979540$e1024382@hovard> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Q9k_KC.A.qkE.nqxA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3955 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:27:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 1cf4e39db50256ee53563abb2f38ee36 Not to my knowledge, but you should check here: http://ott-outreach.engin.umich.edu/torn/ At 03:12 AM 3/8/98 +0100, you wrote: >Has frisell and torn ever released a cd together??? >If so , can any of you give me the name of the cd and the record company? > >Thanks in advance. > >Yours , Thomas W > > > > From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:32:50 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 14:33:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBodS-0005hW-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:33:34 -0800 From: Marzzz Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:29:59 EST To: galen@erols.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Lexicon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"hWiy_D.A.RHF.qwxA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3956 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:33:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 4b1c8104c17741ff5d67d2eaea0e6894 In a message dated 3/8/98 3:50:06 PM, Todd wrote: >I only got my Vortex >a couple of months ago, but besides a small distortion and a wah, it's all >I use now for signal processing, completly replaced my Digitech processor. >What's up? I'd hate to think we couldn't look forward to other affordable >goodies from the great folks at Lexicon. What about the Alesis stuff, Nanoverb, Microverb, etc.? Has anyone any pros/cons about this gear? I would also like to be able to apply effects to the looping side of my (tiny) system. Marshall From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:32:51 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 14:38:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBoho-0006Ci-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:38:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199803082234.RAA14708@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Frisell/Torn???? Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:34:03 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Xn_XQD.A.-gF.g0xA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3957 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:38:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 7c7a20f313d8c99b7ec87eaaff38d312 From: Woehni To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Frisell/Torn???? Date: Saturday, March 07, 1998 9:12 PM Has frisell and torn ever released a cd together??? If so , can any of you give me the name of the cd and the record company? Thanks in advance.Yours , Thomas W -WELL........I don't think they did, but since i'm silly, i'll jump at the chance to play "6 degrees...." - Frisell released a disc with Vernon Reid, and Torn and Reid (with Elliott Sharp) are doing a trio show at the knitting factory this friday 3/13 8pm ET (don't forget to check out the webcast!!!www.knittingfactory.com)... - Frisell's worked extensively with drummer Joey Baron, who played on a recent Bowie CD - Bowie had Belew in his band, who had played with Bozzio in Zappa's band, of course Bozzio recorded/toured Polytown with Torn.. - They've both used Kleins to excellent results... - DT has a Will Calhoun Loop on a CD, Will has played on a John Scofield CD, who in turn has a recent disc with Frisell.... - Frisell has played with Arto Lindsay, who's done stuff with Laurie Anderson, who's worked with David Van Tieghem, who's recorded with Ryuichi Sakamoto, whose new CD Discord features the busy Mr DT... so- the moral of the story is- i've got too much tim on this rainy jersey sunday afternoon.!!! Time to play !!! andre' east ---------- From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:32:54 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 16:31:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBqTT-0004Gr-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:31:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:58:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Decent inexpensive reverbs?--Lexicon Reflex Message-ID: <19980308.172611.4446.0.zenchi@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-12 From: zenchi@juno.com (Robert L Williams) Resent-Message-ID: <"wqNzvC.A.apD.fezA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3959 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:31:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 70f7ba737216308aa9f4eba230c33ecc On Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:09:50 -0500 Ed Drake writes: >so is there anything out there that is >decent for not a lot of money? (The eternal question) Lexicon just introduced the MPX 100 which I believe lists for 249.00 (Greg?). It's preset only and has MIDI. Reverb is one of about a dozen different FX. Hope that helps. Robert dERiSiOn _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:32:53 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 15:07:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBp9q-00007G-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:07:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199803082304.SAA25313@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Decent inexpensive reverbs?--Lexicon Reflex Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:03:36 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-ir_OC.A.fLH.FQyA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3958 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:07:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 95ee3713279aa24dee6bb566322bfc4f > Hello all, > I'm not trying to drag the discussion down into gear geek talk but I was > wondering what reverb processors everyone here uses. I'm in the market for In my rack i use an alesis quadraverb, which needs no intro.... but i get GREAT results with an old Boss Digital Reverb - stompbox (the grey one) both units are often seen used, quite cheaply...... andre' From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 12:03:54 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 05:49:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBgRs-00006w-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 05:49:04 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980308152924.22ff3c06@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 15:29:24 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Kim's Musical "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" In-Reply-To: <35029588.7E8C7D39@bellsouth.net> References: <3.0.1.16.19980308142137.0daf2e72@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NZie7D.A.pQH.hFqA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3935 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 05:49:04 -0800 X-UIDL: b9f4ebcb0aa8d828f10910a9ea824587 > I love my RF String quintet cd.They atain a almost etheral quality at > times.What other cd's could you recomend? > Jeff I wholeheartedly recommend "A show of hands" by RF and the League of Crafty Guitarists. It's utterly wonderful. If only I could get my guitar to sound like that 20.... guess that's why I'm a looper! :) I will go as far as to say that the RF duet with a Viola-ist (?) is so moving (it's called "The moving Force", oddly enough) that I often tell people it's the piece of music I want played at my funeral... Actually, I think one of us L-Ders actually appeared on that album! Am I right? Michael From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:32:55 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 16:34:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBqWt-0004il-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:34:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:26:04 -0700 Subject: Re: physical modeling ,setup time and the future Message-ID: <19980308.172611.4446.1.zenchi@juno.com> References: <01bd4a32$016ec9e0$7b414382@hovard> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-19,21-51,53-57,59-60,62-66 From: zenchi@juno.com (Robert L Williams) Resent-Message-ID: <"cIBEVD.A.syD.ufzA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3960 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:34:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 98dcc253a8d1a77df064785d78b382e7 On Sun, 8 Mar 1998 02:32:06 +0100 "Woehni" writes: >Hi , this isn`t exactly loopology , but I was wondering if any of you >have checked out the Roland VG-8 or as similar "physical modeling" Devices (like the = >Johnson Millennium)?? I've used a Roland VG-8 for a little more than a year and wouldn't go back to my old rig. Granted there are tradeoffs on either side, but the variety of sounds and ease of transport make the VG-8 work for me. Setup for me is a bit over 5 minutes. This will change somewhat as I plan to add some external processing and a Chapman Stick. In a strange way though, the VG-8 makes me appreciate my classical guitar and my el cheapo non master volume amp that much more. The immediacy of these instruments is just as appealing to me as a multi pitch shifted, pseudo looped, synthetic sound. >When/if that technology takes off(price/availability/quality) I think >that will change the sounds off guitar players forever. Imagine >starting from scratch , without ANY preconceived sound as a starting point. Even when the technology is more accessible, there will still be a contingent who won't want to try it. On the other hand, technopuds like me will sniff this stuff out and attempt to make it do stuff it's not supposed to. When I program, I try to think in terms of the song, not in terms of reproducing a certain guitar/amp combination. But I agree that as the technology develops, things are gonna get wacky. >I think this is KINDA along the lines of the future of >looping-thread.........To add to that thread: I think the future of >looping lies in the hope that technology will be more accessible >and affordable. Not only that, but bringing the technique into the "masses" and beyond guitarists will help. Though most of us are guitarists, I find some guitarists are the most uptight about checking out things beyond three octave Yngwie arpeggios (or whatever the new gymnastic flavor is). When my band plays live, the other musicians are interested in how the sounds are created and how we arrange our tunes, but most "rock and roll" guitar types think it's a crutch. They listen with their eyes and not their ears. >When the VG-8 and the Echoplex cost less than a new >strat I think more players are going to check them out........thus >bringing looping into less "weird" territories and >different styles. Agreed to a degree. Marketing types will unfortunately attach elitism to items like these so they can justify a higher price tag. Until some pop icon of sorts begins touting looping and physical modeling as the next cool thang, we will have to educate the audiences we encounter. >Lets face it: Us David Torn fans ain`t exactly a BIG >percent of the musicians out there. That's ok, what we lack in size we make up in enthusiasm (some innuendo intended) Whew! That's the most I've ever said on the list. Back to sorta lurking. Regards, Robert dERiSiOn _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:32:56 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 16:36:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBqYe-0004wo-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:36:44 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980308183226.006872e0@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 18:32:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: Am I beeing ignored? In-Reply-To: <01bd4ad0$1f8f9b40$ab424382@hovard> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"83dr1C.A.F_D.RhzA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3961 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:36:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 2a54b7a5f64752417544b192412249f2 What've you been writing about? > From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:33:02 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 16:59:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBqus-0006Xl-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:59:42 -0800 Message-ID: <014e01bd4af6$60c0cbe0$b4f0ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: physical modeling ,setup time and the future Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:57:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"aIo1fC.A.jxF.u4zA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3962 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:59:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 38b86914be18499796e2deb33d80dd7b > >Not only that, but bringing the technique into the "masses" and >beyond guitarists will help. Though most of us are guitarists, I >find some guitarists are the most uptight about checking out things >beyond three octave Yngwie arpeggios (or whatever the new gymnastic >flavor is). When my band plays live, the other musicians are interested >in how the sounds are created and how we arrange our tunes, but most >"rock and roll" guitar types think it's a crutch. They listen with their >eyes and not their ears. This I believe is true, I played around town long before I got my looping rig, so people who I know can tell I can really play, even though now that I tend to loop a lot, it doesnt LOOK like Im doing all that much. Hell, Ive gotten sneers when guitarists look at my half filled 6 space rack and the Strat with a synth pickup. Oh well. And for some reason I always feel the need to explain the technology sometime in the set. I try to explain that nothing is prerecorded at home, that it is composed live, etc. Here in Florida, there is a bevy of sequenced 'Brown Eyed Girl' musicians playing around ( "Hey, anyone here from out of town??")..so i explain what I am doing, without using tems like 'looping' and 'sequencing' and 'midi' (a difficult task, indeed!). I don't usually play where there is an audience full of musicians (although I did a solo looping demo at the Florida Guitar Show last week, very cool..)..most audiences ARE the 'masses'. They will be 'assimilated'. :) Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:33:03 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 17:05:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBr0o-00078g-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:05:50 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD4ACD.75F518F0.douglas-lawrence@home.com> From: Douglas Lawrence Reply-To: "douglas-lawrence@home.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Akai S-20 vs. Akai S900 vs. Boss SP-202 (Dr. Sample) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:04:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AXYoLD.A.1bG.K_zA1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3963 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:05:50 -0800 X-UIDL: c1f1cdf5ee7c0204424a167d2ac26444 Hey all ... since the line between sampling and looping is kind of blurred these days, I thought some of you may have an opinion on a *mid-price* sampling unit. I'm a bass player and looking to use my EDP in conjunction with a sampler. I'd sample groove loops, tasty over-dubs, background sweeps, or even replay loops that I downloaded from my EDP. It has to be easy to use live and in the $300-500 price range, so the Akai S-20, S900 and Boss SP-202 seem to be options. It also has to be easy to make samples, store the samples and possibly arrange them a little. The ability to use a trigger footpedal would be great as well. If anybody has any experience with these units, especially "live", comments would be greatly appreciated. Are there any other *good* samplers in this price range? If they can't do what I'm looking to do, I may have to consider the Akai MPC-2000, Akai Remix, or even an Ensoniq ASR-X. They are just a little too expensive at this point. Thanks, Doug. From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:33:03 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 17:37:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBrVU-0001AE-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:37:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:29:18 -0800 Message-ID: <0009F349.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Frisell/Torn???? To: , Mike.Biffle@wj.com, "andre" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"nkJAd.A.h2.Bd0A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3964 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:37:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 23245201d69f9bd9102b5bfa1943a18f Torn played with Jan Garbarek: It's OK to listen to the gray voice. Frissell played with Jan Garbarek: (Hoonosewutitscalled?) (It's in my vinyl collection.) Now that I actually try to recall I may have the players and title mixed up. But they both DID PLAY WITH JAN GARBAREK! I'm sure, i'm sure, i'm sure! (Wow, reality is getting really slippery these days.) I've always been attracted to that Scandanavian 'endless plain' atmospheric style... Garbarek, Rypdal. On "Where in the World" Frissell really floats out there on a couple tracks as well. I got both these CD's around the same time (a long time ago). They were also my first exposure to Torn and Frissell. Soon after Power Tools w/Frissell came out and that really did it for me. I like Frissell a lot, but Torn has a little more wiggle in his concept which strikes a little closer to home for me. -Miko From: Tom W.-- Woehni Has frisell and torn ever released a cd together??? If so , can any of you give me the name of the cd and the record company? From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:33:04 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 17:56:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBrnT-0002Un-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:56:07 -0800 Message-ID: <35034C84.72F58781@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 20:57:24 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kim's Musical "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" References: <3.0.5.32.19970811172054.007a2530@pop3.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"m9yHT.A.NEC.Tu0A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3965 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:56:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 10f361eb0cd6ab6366918db333164579 I would not be too worried about the thread,just remember ; all men are pigs and they like it.Thats what Mary said ,so I believe it,heh,heh. On a different note we are trying to get a Looping show together for the spring.More details later but we have some support and encouragment.Anybody interested let me know. Jeff Goddess wrote: > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >From: Goddess > >Subject: Re: Kim's Musical "Anti-Spouse Forces Theorem" > >In-Reply-To: > > > > You know, it's really making me uncomfortable to be present on this list > when all I'm hearing lately is "my girl friend does or doesn't do this", or > the implication that all women love Tori or something like "yuck! girl > germs!". This type of thing is really getting irritating. Did it ever > occur to those of you who are complaining about your partners to a mailing > list of people across the world who you don't even know, to get to know the > people whom you're dating before you started dating them? If these issues > are really as important to you as you've been saying, then you might > consider doing something about it. The fact that I am a woman doesn't stop > me from liking or performing many different types of music and creative > expression. I enjoy music which I think is music of quality, whether it is > in a major or minor key, in an "odd" time signature and so on... Many of > my close friends like very similar music and art... We do exist! we are > out here! we are quite a bit more plentiful than you think... > > Now, since I was hoping that this thread was pretty much on it's way out > and because I favor Kim's suggestion to leave this and move on to the > "future loop music" topic, I'll not speak on this again unless someone > addresses me personally. > > Sincerely, > > Corynne > > At 8:24:19 AM, Tom wrote: > >> > >>>Face it - some of the stuff that we like just makes people want > >>>to be far away. > >> > >>I can sum it up in one sentence- My girlfriend hates anything in minor keys, > >>microtones, and odd meters. She even hates the one bend Steve Howe plays in > >>"I've Seen All Good People!" > >> > >> > >>Marshall > >> > >> > >> From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:33:05 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 18:00:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBrs5-00033R-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:00:53 -0800 Message-ID: <35034DAA.623CD622@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:02:18 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Am I beeing ignored? References: <01bd4ad0$1f8f9b40$ab424382@hovard> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8CFF06B9E1AB509069EF265C" Resent-Message-ID: <"4T8I-C.A.IkC.py0A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3966 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:00:53 -0800 X-UIDL: f932bea9b8913c4fe8383334019bb43d I got This one!And I am glad to have you ,I have learned alot from this thing so just try a question again.
Jeff Duke
TecBabLabs
http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index.html

Woehni wrote:

Hi folks!  I have been sending in mails left and ringt but noone replies.......:-(
Are the mails failing to get through ?  Or is it simply that I`m such a bore that you`ve all
stopped reading my mails :-)     ????

Please let me know what is going on.

your , Thomas W

  From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:33:06 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 18:09:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBs0O-0003u9-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:09:28 -0800 Message-ID: <35034F65.1FFD9A15@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:09:41 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Mike.Biffle@wj.com, andre Subject: Re: Frisell/Torn???? References: <0009F349.----@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CXPGC.A.vRD.C60A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3967 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:09:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 544fd13acce1966b8238689a8d15ad3c I haven't heard that but anything that dt is on I would like to hear about. Maybe he would want to play our Spring Fling show?Nah,well we could only hope. Jeff Mike Biffle wrote: > Torn played with Jan Garbarek: It's OK to listen to the gray voice. > Frissell played with Jan Garbarek: (Hoonosewutitscalled?) (It's in my vinyl > collection.) > > From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:33:10 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 18:26:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBsGp-0005bC-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:26:27 -0800 Message-Id: <98Mar8.212119est.18817@thicket.arbortext.com> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:15:08 -0500 From: David White Reply-To: dwhite@arbortext.com Organization: Arbortext Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jamman Acting up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"e3LVr.A.L5E.GK1A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3969 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:26:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 0b8503a69e9a365edfd0b95469d97369 My Jamman has recently been acting up. The LED display flickers occasionally (and seemingly randomly). Loops get reset when this happens. It's become unusable. I *think* it's the mode switch acting up. Does anyone know if there is a history of this? The reason I think it's the mode switch: If I follow the steps to change midi channel everything goes swell until I try to get to "15" with the mode switch. Between 12 and 15 the LED starts flaking out. I've tried some D100 cleaner in the switch but not much change. Best regards, d/-\\/e "Unable to loop and thinking about going back to stone tablets" From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:33:08 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 18:20:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBsAy-0004vg-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:20:24 -0800 Message-ID: <3503523F.3FF196A2@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:21:51 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: physical modeling ,setup time and the future References: <014e01bd4af6$60c0cbe0$b4f0ffd0@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"P8-YRD.A.kWE.KF1A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3968 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:20:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 56ee5a18584de33bf9c86c7af8841a7e Resistance is Futile, I have enjoyed your music for awhile,possibly,being a *southern* Looper you guys might( I wish and we have a great sound system)want to come to Atlanta in the spring for a show and southern bar-bq.No money in it but .... Jeff Duke TecBabLabs http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index.html future perfect wrote: > > > >Not only that, but bringing the technique into the "masses" and > >beyond guitarists will help. Though most of us are guitarists, I > >find some guitarists are the most uptight about checking out things > >beyond three octave Yngwie arpeggios (or whatever the new gymnastic > >flavor is). When my band plays live, the other musicians are interested > >in how the sounds are created and how we arrange our tunes, but most > >"rock and roll" guitar types think it's a crutch. They listen with their > >eyes and not their ears. > > This I believe is true, I played around town long before I got my looping > rig, so people who I know can tell I can really play, even though now that I > tend to loop a lot, it doesnt LOOK like Im doing all that much. Hell, Ive > gotten sneers when guitarists look at my half filled 6 space rack and the > Strat with a synth pickup. Oh well. And for some reason I always feel the > need to explain the technology sometime in the set. I try to explain that > nothing is prerecorded at home, that it is composed live, etc. > Here in Florida, there is a bevy of sequenced 'Brown Eyed Girl' musicians > playing around ( "Hey, anyone here from out of town??")..so i explain what I > am doing, without using tems like 'looping' and 'sequencing' and 'midi' (a > difficult task, indeed!). I don't usually play where there is an audience > full of musicians (although I did a solo looping demo at the Florida Guitar > Show last week, very cool..)..most audiences ARE the 'masses'. They will be > 'assimilated'. :) > Dave Eichenberger > ********************************************************************* > 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 18:33:11 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 18:29:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBsK0-000633-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:29:44 -0800 Message-ID: <350353E0.B62FF9FB@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:28:48 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Pafford CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gmkC5B.A._DF.pL1A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3970 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:29:44 -0800 X-UIDL: ed6cb70de52d2861f33e6b6286e7f306 Does anybody recomend Alex?Damn I wish I had bought the whole line when I had the chance. Jeff Todd Pafford wrote: > Hm, I'm seeing an alarming trend here. First the Jamman, then the Vortex, > now the Reflex? Is the Alex next (or has it already been dropped)? Is > Lexicon dropping it's 'low end' line all together? It'd really be a loss > to the community. I think these units are the groovinest, coolest boxes > I've ever layed ears on, especially for under $500. I only got my Vortex > a couple of months ago, but besides a small distortion and a wah, it's all > I use now for signal processing, completly replaced my Digitech processor. > What's up? I'd hate to think we couldn't look forward to other affordable > goodies from the great folks at Lexicon. > > --- > "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear > to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake > > Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 22:23:23 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 22:08:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBvjy-00041l-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:08:46 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD4A9B.81C1F400.lahatch@dnai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:21:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: a woman's ears Resent-Message-ID: <"w7AldC.A.qPD.hZ4A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3972 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:08:46 -0800 X-UIDL: f3939679161a353717b60f5d6d317548 At 2:05 PM -0800 3/8/98, Laurie Hatch wrote: >Invariably, xy's I've played with have been able to handle louder high >frequency volumes onstage than I, some by a considerable margin. (Maybe >that's >one reason why I'm into bass %^). This doesn't mean I don't like it totally >intense and balls to the wall! Plus, overall I think my musical tastes are >usually as out there as anybody's. So it may well be that, as you suggest >Sarajane, in some situations volume can have more to do with discomfort than >musical content. Non-musicians may not necessarily be able to articulate the >difference. Just so's you know.....As I understand the physiological issue, it's not volume or high frequencies that cause the discomfort in women. It's particular types of non-harmonic distortion in the audio system, which will tend to be worse at higher volume. I've seen several discussions of this in audio engineering journals, usually under the context of how to get a wider customer base for audio products. These inharmonic distortions add frequency components to the sound in a particular way that women tend to have a negative reaction to while men typically don't notice. It is very common with cheap home/audio stereos, cheap PA systems, cheap music gear, etc. It also happens in more expensive gear that isn't designed very well. As the volume is turned up on these systems, the distortions start to happen, and women will start to find it unpleasant for physiological reasons. On cleaner systems that don't generate these distortions, the discomfort doesn't happen. This is where the misconceptions that women don't like loud music comes from. Some guy with a shoddy $100 car stereo has it turned up to where he's got tons of crossover and IMD distortion coming out of his crappy speakers, and his girlfriend demands that he turn it down. If he hadn't been such a cheapskate and bought a decent stereo in the first place, she would stick around longer. (or at least wouldn't complain about the volume...) Men will also experience this type of discomfort, although it is less pronounced and takes longer. If you ever experienced "ear fatigue" while mixing or listening to a walkman or something, I think that's it. On a better quality audio system, you can last much longer. It's something to think about when choosing gear. You might save a few bucks and alienate half your potential audience in the process. And if you are stupid enough to think it's that the women just don't get your music, well, you are probably just stupid...... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 22:23:24 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 22:09:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBvkN-000455-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:09:11 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:32:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Lexicon Resent-Message-ID: <"g0UMvD.A.ARD.oZ4A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3973 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:09:11 -0800 X-UIDL: e528e7cfd5453e4fd504b09447ec691c At 4:44 PM -0500 3/8/98, Todd Pafford wrote: >Hm, I'm seeing an alarming trend here. First the Jamman, then the Vortex, >now the Reflex? Is the Alex next (or has it already been dropped)? Is >Lexicon dropping it's 'low end' line all together? It'd really be a loss >to the community. I think these units are the groovinest, coolest boxes >I've ever layed ears on, especially for under $500. I only got my Vortex >a couple of months ago, but besides a small distortion and a wah, it's all >I use now for signal processing, completly replaced my Digitech processor. >What's up? I'd hate to think we couldn't look forward to other affordable >goodies from the great folks at Lexicon. The alarming trend you are seeing is called Capitalism. Lexicon didn't have much experience with low-cost consumer type products, and lost a lot of bucks trying to get into that market. Naturally they wanted to stop losing lots of bucks, so the stopped making those buck-losing products. Of course, they have a very long and presumably profitable history making high-quality professional gear, for which they have an impeccable reputation. However, as numerous companies in every industry have discovered, success at one end of the market rarely translates to success at the other. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 22:04:24 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 19:48:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBtYZ-0002fW-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:48:51 -0800 X-From_:ANET@aol.com Sun Mar 08 19:48:49 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBtYX-0002fA-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:48:49 -0800 Received: from (imo28.mx.aol.com) [198.81.19.156] by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBtSd-0002xy-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:42:44 -0800 Received: from ANET@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id HEQBa23001 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:47:45 -0500 (EST) From: ANET Message-ID: <268d4635.35036664@aol.com> Old-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:47:45 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 3rd CD Project Page updated! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:48:51 -0800 X-UIDL: f2a7d6b2e04cca77d374f21dce48064c href="http://members.aol.com/anet/3rdcd.html" >Click here to go to the 3rd CD project page From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 22:04:25 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 20:31:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBuDh-0005gn-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:31:21 -0800 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:25:47 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Jeff Duke cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon In-Reply-To: <350353E0.B62FF9FB@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"mo9txC.A.8FF.-_2A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3971 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:31:21 -0800 X-UIDL: bc3558b0daaeab4b0dce912b016979a3 On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Jeff Duke wrote: > Does anybody recomend Alex?Damn I wish I had bought the whole line when I had > the chance. > Jeff > You're telling me...it's like finding the well of life, but having it dry up right after your first sip. I want it all! :) --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From ???@??? Sun Mar 08 23:21:57 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 22:43:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBwH6-0005yX-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:43:00 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:40:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: LoopIII v5.0 users.... Resent-Message-ID: <"zL04GB.A.OYF.j74A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3974 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:43:00 -0800 X-UIDL: f9d1f5588df062e36596606124bd880c For those with some time in using the LoopIII v5.0 software upgrade on the echoplex, we'd like to get some feedback. Have you run across any bugs or otherwise suspicious behavior in this software release? If you have, we at Aurisis Research would like to know. Send me mail at kim@aurisis.com if ya got any details. thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:36 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 23:32:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBx3J-0001dK-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:32:49 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803081039_MC2-35FE-367D@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:00:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: A new question Resent-Message-ID: <"7QUGDD.A.iP.Ri5A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3977 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:32:49 -0800 X-UIDL: a727abf3a0500ed76f35fb6a4b0862d4 At 10:38 AM -0500 3/8/98, R & T Cummings wrote: >matthew hahn wrote: >>I have to agree on the subject of DJing. I am not knocking it, but in >>deference to looping I'm willing to submit that DJing is more emotional >>than technical, more creation of moods from other people's music, than >>creating one's own.< > >I think the hybrid form of DJ-sampler-musician is really happening, too. I agree. There have been rock groups around the SF bay area doing this since the 80's, and of course hip-hop groups have always had dj's as much more than just a guy playing records. You see it in a lot more mainstream acts now, portishead, for example. The germs of the full-on real-time looping idea are certainly there in the mainstream, just waiting for people to take it to another level. >I'm not a DJ-DJ, so I haven't had a chance to try out cd-scratching either >- although I have seen the units around a lot. Anybody else? What looked >interesting was a delay-based table-top looping unit from Vestax for DJ's - >I bet you could create great transitions with that machine. Don't know >anything about the sound quality though ... Pioneer makes good cd decks. The have a cool scrubber sort of knob that lets you speed up and slow down tracks in a real intuitive way for beat matching. And they also have a built in loop function. It's very rudimetary, it just lets you loop a section of a cd in a nice, quick fashion, and that's all. You couldn't do much creatively with that, but it's there. I know a guy using these to dj trip-hop and drum and bass and seems to like it. Only problem is there's not a lot of material out on cd, certainly nothing new. Probably you would want to burn your own cd's off vinyl or dubplate. Denon also makes CD products, including a "scratch" thing. It samples some amount of audio off the cd on the fly, which you can loop and trigger. You can also scratch it with this big knob on the front. I guess it works, but I'm no expert on the subject. I suppose scratching for dj's is like tube amps for guitarists. Most people only like the real thing. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:38 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 23:33:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBx3e-0001gG-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:33:10 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD4ACD.75F518F0.douglas-lawrence@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:09:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Akai S-20 vs. Akai S900 vs. Boss SP-202 (Dr. Sample) Resent-Message-ID: <"K03N4D.A.XQ.Wi5A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3978 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:33:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 254743102910e710ff45a981361a44c3 At 8:04 PM -0500 3/8/98, Douglas Lawrence wrote: >Hey all ... since the line between sampling and looping is kind of blurred >these days, I thought some of you may have an opinion on a *mid-price* >sampling unit. I'm a bass player and looking to use my EDP in conjunction >with a sampler. I'd sample groove loops, tasty over-dubs, background >sweeps, or even replay loops that I downloaded from my EDP. > >It has to be easy to use live and in the $300-500 price range, so the Akai >S-20, S900 and Boss SP-202 seem to be options. It also has to be easy to >make samples, store the samples and possibly arrange them a little. The >ability to use a trigger footpedal would be great as well. If anybody has >any experience with these units, especially "live", comments would be >greatly appreciated. Are there any other *good* samplers in this price >range? I played with the Boss a little bit. I kind of felt that the list of features made it seem like a great deal, but the actual result wasn't so great. It's nowhere near as versatile as a more typical sampler, but it doesn't try to be. It does bring out some features at a very affordable price with some unique ideas. It's worth checking out, but you might want to save your pennies for an MPC-2000 or the new yamaha A3000 that everyone raves about. You'd have much better results for arranging, storing, triggering, etc. Coupled with an echoplex, those would be very cool. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:37 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 23:33:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBx3N-0001dx-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:32:53 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803080834_MC2-35F0-BF50@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:16:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: AW: Plex memory question Resent-Message-ID: <"cZyjzB.A.5Q.Zi5A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3979 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:32:53 -0800 X-UIDL: f6760f2050d5266ae8e817249564246f At 8:33 AM -0500 3/8/98, Michael Peters wrote: >>For the echoplex, the max is four 4MB simms, for 16MB total. When >>the echoplex first came out that memory cost about $800 - $1000, >>now it's about $50-$70. > >maybe this has been addressed somewhere before, but ... >I just upgraded the Echoplex that I bought a month ago - it had 4MB and I >put 16 in. > >The memory was dirt cheap but I heard from several people now that the old >30-pin Simms are becoming rare, and that it is quite likely that it will be >very difficult to get them in a few months from now. nah, lots of stuff still uses them. They might not always be available everywhere, but there will always be someone selling them. Look at the zip memory for the jamman, that was never even a standard computer product and you can still buy those. There's always used and surplus dealers, too. >Does Oberheim still use the old Simms - and isn't it possible to change the >hardware to use the new ones? It would require a new PCB design, which would be too expensive for a relatively low-volume product like that. I wouldn't expect such a thing. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:39 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 8 23:39:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBx9S-0002P0-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:39:10 -0800 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:32:00 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199803090732.AA09716@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loops and video? an UFOs ??? References: <3.0.5.32.19970811231844.007af570@pop3.concentric.net> <199803072040_MC2-35EE-E19@compuserve.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"p_ukS.A.yzB.yu5A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3980 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:39:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 1c968d9712147a51bb77a6a2b75e571e >I'm really intrigued by your use of video, but I muat ask, WHERE THE HECK >DID YA GET THE UFO FOOTAGE!? DIY! This wasn't directed at me, but I'll just say... all I do is put the camera on a tripod up on the roof... leave it running... most days there's a fair amount of UFO activity, so you can get 20 minutes of footage in about two hours... Sean ok, no more silly replies from me From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:45 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 00:32:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBxyv-00068K-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:32:21 -0800 Message-ID: <3503A822.E96@netvigator.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 16:28:18 +0800 From: Alan Reply-To: alanip@netvigator.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Electro Harmonix Problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D23cKD.A.QfF.5h6A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3984 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:32:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 1545cc46eac7bf27788e497e3bf0a7c4 Jim Arnott wrote: > I am a guitar player and I'm trying to use an Electro Harmonix 16 sec delay > in conjunction with a Digitech GSP 2101 effects processor/preamp. I want to > take the signal out of the 2101's effect loop and return it to the input of > the effect loop. The problem is the effect return wants to see a +4db > signal level, and I'm guessing the Electro is sending -10db. The returned > signal is far too quiet. Some direct box with +4 and -10 I/O may solve your problem. > Also, (sorry for the long message) anyone using an Echoplex - What is the > signal strength coming from its outputs? How much $$ is it (Canadian)? I've two echoplex. They are about US$550 each and US$150 for Foot controller. It's excellence for loop based music. From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 10:36:33 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 09:32:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC6PE-0002k3-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:32:04 -0800 X-Sender: breakz@pop.hom.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:47:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: breakz@hom.net (David Ferguson) Subject: Re: electronica double standard? Resent-Message-ID: <"phYiiD.A.kaB.0VCB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4012 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:32:04 -0800 X-UIDL: e56dd9bb386435e8a42ebd70fb505935 what in the hell is electronica-is it pop but not heavily guitar based? I know the term popped up around the time Chemical bros last lp was released. I have been in to Jungle, Drum and Bass, Techno, acid house, detroit electro, goa, for several years and people were into it far before me and guess what people who listen to this kind of music have heard the hell out of Funky drummer and Amen as well as many other highly abused patterns these do recieve heavy criticism Does anyone think electronica is just a silly marketing ploy daniel >Interesting... You might make the same observation about any number of >non-electronica bands that play essentially recycled or nostalgic music >(Porcupine Tree, for example.) It's kosher in music criticism to knock >bands that sound too much like older bands, but >electronica/sampling/remixing is seemingly exempt from that criticism?. I >don't think I understand why that is. Anyone? From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:22:01 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 06:25:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC3UT-0007MO-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:25:17 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980309023612.213f7e52@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 02:36:12 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: loops and video? an UFOs and fractals too... In-Reply-To: <199803090732.AA09716@world.std.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19970811231844.007af570@pop3.concentric.net> <199803072040_MC2-35EE-E19@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sWhYeC.A.dnG.ks_A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3997 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:25:17 -0800 X-UIDL: c30dde4b656dc225149ddc77d70b9e45 local & national stuff( ALOT of stuff from mexico) ive recorded some from the local news,,,and others... however as was mentioned,,,just pointing a good video camera up into the sky will provide some neat footage of "rods" etc....some use the edge of a building/house...to direct the camera toward the corona of the sun,(using the edge of the roof to block out all but the corona),,,if your camera has a shudder speed of 10,000 ,,,you will capture things moving too fast for real time detection by the human eye....i will not use this list to speculate as to the nature of what has been captured on video in these cases,,,i dont really know,,,but it sure does work well with looping based improvisation. i also have used fractals as a video back-drop... james "i aint no Cecil Taylor" rhodes At 02:32 AM 3/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >>I'm really intrigued by your use of video, but I muat ask, WHERE THE HECK >>DID YA GET THE UFO FOOTAGE!? > >DIY! > >This wasn't directed at me, but I'll just say... >all I do is put the camera on a tripod up on the >roof... leave it running... most days there's >a fair amount of UFO activity, so you can get >20 minutes of footage in about two hours... > >Sean >ok, no more silly replies from me > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:48 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 02:03:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBzOw-0002Z8-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:03:18 -0800 Message-ID: <3503CACF.B30DD590@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 10:56:18 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:inexpensive reverb References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cUsn0D.A.Q5B.X17A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3986 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:03:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 40319dedf4cc1bdcaf08f1f17e5eb52e You may also want to try the Yamaha rev 500. It has been praised for its great musical sound, offers more parameters than the reflex (if you need them) and its connections can be balanced xlr, which is handy at that price... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:47 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 02:01:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBzNL-0002Md-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:01:39 -0800 Message-ID: <3503CB02.604F1104@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 10:57:11 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: physical modelling References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"07pS-D.A.20B.w07A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3985 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:01:39 -0800 X-UIDL: ff2947a53558bbb7144b8eef131d9f90 Let us put this straight: This thing did change my playing forrever. It allows also loops with great timbral variations. (bass to koto to whatever to guitar...). The thing is I never start a sound without an idea of what I'd like to hear. The first weeks was like let us copy as exactly as possible sounds of Pat Metheny; Allan Holdsworth, Davis Torn, Joni Mitchell. Then you start making your own, modifying the "copies" you did to get a more personnal thing. Once you have their sound, you say ok, but now it is business time. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm prone to think many of us tried at first to copy and then moved to more personnal places. But anyway Instant tuning, instant microphones, amps, etc etc... A hell of machine and probably the best thing I ever spent my money in... I now have trouble to play a "regular guitar". Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:48 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 02:05:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBzR7-0002pw-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:05:33 -0800 Message-ID: <3503CB75.ABD80920@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 10:59:07 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DNA loops References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DJNzFC.A.RDC.x27A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3987 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:05:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 386e2605155e08c6d01f54309ca8922a Yes, i know how to make DNA loops... And did at time i needed them. Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 10:36:34 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 09:33:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC6Py-0002qE-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:32:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199803091702.JAA02756@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: Setup Time for Loop Rig Date: Mon, 9 Mar 98 11:04:08 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"QPHH4.A.odB.HWCB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4013 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:32:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 0f265d77725e1fa0721806b0122c4c53 > I was wondering how long it takes everyone to set up at a gig with their >looping rig- anyone have any time/space saving advice??? Unloading time: ten minutes (car to stage, use a dolly) Setup time: ten minutes. I've found it useful to: * Rack and fasten everything down. * Don't have loose, delicate crap (pedalboards without cases, footcontrollers rattling around loose, etc). Everything should be in a robust case WITH GOOD HANDLES. * Wheels on all cases, dolly everything else. * Clearly label all cables, use the same cables for connections each time. * Bundle the bunch of cables you probably have going between the stuff at your feet and the gear in your rack. * Always put everything away in the same place. * Space allowing, always set everything up in the same place (relative position of pedals, speakers, etc). * Coil all cables neatly and secure them with velcro ties. * Put a nightlight in the back of your rack, for when you're trying to make all those connections in a semi-dark stage before the show. * Put very colorful markings on the jacks in your rack to make it easy to find which of many inputs you need to connect to. Consider blocking off unused connections with tape to prevent accidental misconnections. * Book a lot of gigs. Practice is the best way to learn to quickly setup/teardown. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:49 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 03:09:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC0QV-0005B3-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 03:08:59 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: Am I beeing ignored? Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:04:49 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4b4b$2da59a60$e1404382@hovard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"oSot5C.A.1qE.N18A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3988 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 03:08:59 -0800 X-UIDL: e538dac044be782bd32ef1bea24cacc3 -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: matthew hahn Til: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Dato: 9. mars 1998 01:37 Emne: Re: Am I beeing ignored? >What've you been writing about? oh , Nuthin` much........Just some gigantic mails about My setup including stuff I`m not too good with yet. Vortex,jamman,Patchmate , midimate Pedals.......And About expression pedals: Does anyone know of good , affordable pedals that WORK with the vortex WITHOUT any tweaking (BTW, thanks for the tip , Sean)???? And I posted a mail about the Roland VG 8 and physical modeling...... And a question about a Frisell/Torn project that sadly only exists in my head , hehe....... Im shure there were more mails , but the weird thing was that NOONE replied. Thats why I Felt like whining to ya` all.....:-) Yours , Thomas > From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 10:36:44 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 10:33:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC7M6-0002wv-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:32:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199803091718.JAA14980@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Electro Harmonix Problem Date: Mon, 9 Mar 98 11:19:39 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"omITvC.A.SnB.TODB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4020 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:32:54 -0800 X-UIDL: a959702eb33c2af27476a065b1ddd063 >I am a guitar player and I'm trying to use an Electro Harmonix 16 sec delay >in conjunction with a Digitech GSP 2101 effects processor/preamp. I want to >take the signal out of the 2101's effect loop and return it to the input of >the effect loop. The problem is the effect return wants to see a +4db >signal level, and I'm guessing the Electro is sending -10db. The returned >signal is far too quiet. >I have asked the question on the 2101 list, but have not found a solution. >I noticed in the FAQ for the Oberheim echoplex on the looper's delight web >page there is a description of a mod which alows the same sort of thing for >this unit. It involves replacing some resistors. Put a clean preamp, such as the DOD BiFET pedal after the EH and before the return. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 10:36:37 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 09:57:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC6nf-00063d-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:57:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199803091721.JAA20910@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Who is Robin Williamson? Date: Mon, 9 Mar 98 11:22:26 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"AJTgcD.A.1nE.IuCB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4015 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:57:19 -0800 X-UIDL: ef9a62b121d39fbf53b42565599bb3b0 > Robin Williamson is a Scot (from Glasgow, I believe) who in the 60s >was part of the Incredible String Band. He has done a great many recordings >since then of traditional harp music, using the wire strung harp, the nylon >harp and he's also one of the only people I've heard who uses "buzzers" one >his strings on some tunes. (Buzzers are a very old way of getting a sort of >sitar-like twang/buzz from your wire strung hard.). He did a great album >(not available on CD as far as I know) where he played all the instruments >(he plays over 35) called Music For The Mabinogion. (A collection of Welsh >Tales, originally from the oral bardic tradition, written down in the >1400s). Its great stuff if you can find it. I believe he's on Green Linnet now. I've got a couple of his CD's (including one with John Renbourn), and they're quite good. He's also a world-class nutter--one of his CD's is live and includes his between song patter. Worth the price of admission by itself. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:51 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 03:21:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC0cT-000601-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 03:21:21 -0800 Message-ID: <3503D126.F0FCC7D1@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 06:23:18 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: LD site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2QiOsB.A.RaF.iA9A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3989 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 03:21:21 -0800 X-UIDL: df63dda1a020a9552e3a08cf01f65f8c Is it just the storm in Atlanta(prob)or is anybody else able to get in? Jeff From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:52 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 03:51:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC15j-0007GZ-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 03:51:35 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: ECM (was Frisell/torn) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:47:09 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4b51$177dda80$e1404382@hovard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"HYCGVC.A.7jG.7c9A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3990 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 03:51:35 -0800 X-UIDL: c017ae9d6d05f3906b3aa66032dab84d >Torn played with Jan Garbarek: It's OK to listen to the gray voice. >Frissell played with Jan Garbarek: (Hoonosewutitscalled?) (It's in my vinyl >collection.) > >Now that I actually try to recall I may have the players and title mixed up. But >they both DID PLAY WITH JAN GARBAREK! I'm sure, i'm sure, i'm sure! (Wow, >reality is getting really slippery these days.) You are in the right ,realaxe :-)) Frisell made 2(?) Discs as a guitarist for garbarek , one is called " Paths, prints , and...."??? (not really shure on that one) and the other one was called "Wayfarer".... Me , beeing a weird Norwegian and all , I love that airy lush ECM sound. Kinda reminds me of home (up on the Northern coastline) when Im sitting here in Oslo (the largest city here). A tip to all of you fellow ECM luvvas: Kenney Wheeler - The FlugelHornist , Trumpeter and Composer.... He has released a bunch of wonderfull and deep records on ECM. BTW , Im not talking hi tech , angry avant-punk here. I talking "afrodisiac for the soul".....(could I be any more pompous??) Wheelers music has all the good stuff, Composition imrovisation timbre and so forth , only; Its not a guitar , its the warmest sounding horn since Chet Baker (the jazz purists will "fatwa" me for that one.) As an additional bonus to us on the list (it seems), Wheeler phoned Bill Frisell when he went into the studio to record his latest : "Angel Song". Angel song is a must have for any Sentient Beeing That Owns a Stereo. Its on ECM , and its made by Wheeler , Konitz , Holland , Frisell ..(all of wich need no introduction Im shure). > >I've always been attracted to that Scandanavian 'endless plain' atmospheric >style... Garbarek, Rypdal. On "Where in the World" Frissell really floats out >there on a couple tracks as well. Yeah! That one has always been my favourite frisell album , and now you made me realize why.... >I got both these CD's around the same time (a long time ago). They were also my >first exposure to Torn and Frissell. Soon after Power Tools w/Frissell came out >and that really did it for me. I like Frissell a lot, but Torn has a little more >wiggle in his concept which strikes a little closer to home for me. Power Tools? I have heard mention of that before , but I have no idea what it is. ne1?? Yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:54 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 04:23:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC1ad-0000le-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 04:23:31 -0800 Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 05:50:06 -0600 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Decent inexpensive reverbs?--Lexicon Reflex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <3503D76E.5D56@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: <"GSZfLC.A.Hh.969A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3991 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 04:23:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 8e0ebfdb0b679b1139cef97ac82ddba0 Ed Drake wrote: > > I'm not trying to drag the discussion down into gear geek talk but I was > wondering what reverb processors everyone here uses. I'm in the market for > a new reverb but I > don't have a lot of cash, so is there anything out there that is decent for > not a lot of money? I've never tried one, but Guitar Center is selling the Lexicon Alex for $180 now. John Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/) From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:56 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 05:08:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC2I0-0002be-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:08:20 -0800 From: Texture444 Message-ID: <7cc3a231.3503e902@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:05:04 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: cheeseheads/open letter to Torn (was: "I don't think she'svery nice" Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"xXBgpC.A.sPC.Bl-A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3992 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:08:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 4cc0d9a2a9b65172b8472289e76e1d59 well: where exactly d'ya think i should play, in yer town? best, dt From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:57 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 05:11:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC2LJ-00030V-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:11:45 -0800 From: Texture444 Message-ID: <5b6e79b1.3503e98b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:07:21 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopers in Seattle Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"JYJrp.A.qdC.Nn-A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3993 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:11:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 14aa52e0613c10aa1978f915c6d195c5 >Percussionist Greg Gilmore !!!!! one of the first looping percussionistas that i knew about: love that guy! best, dt From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:57 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 05:17:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC2QM-0003Rn-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:16:58 -0800 From: Texture444 Message-ID: <5b6e79b2.3503eaf9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:13:27 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I Just Dont think she's very nice Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"3HThWB.A.pBD.Ct-A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3994 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:16:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 088040fe42f7c9790726c0cd4e94466c >Don't suppose DT would want to play in Green Bay WI ?? sure would, but: where? and: how many folks d'ya think would actually show up? without record company/sponsorship promotional support, attendance figures in the states can be like a crap-shoot on a roller-coaster..... best, dt From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:58 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 05:23:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC2WR-0003q5-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:23:15 -0800 X-From_:Administrator@BDD.com Mon Mar 09 05:23:12 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC2WN-0003p2-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:23:11 -0800 Received: from (bertelsmanncis.com) [204.151.181.101] (firewall-user) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC2QR-0000K6-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:17:03 -0800 Received: by bertelsmanncis.com; id IAA19005; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:12:37 -0500 Received: from unknown(170.171.200.251) by ns1.bertelsmanncis.com via smap (3.2) id xma018994; Mon, 9 Mar 98 08:12:21 -0500 Received: by ntbdd_ny_ex1.bdd.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:25:32 -0500 Message-ID: <043E41ADA15FD111A60500805FF560C73ACA@ntbdd_ny_ex1.bdd.com> From: Administrator To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Rupolot@bdd.com Old-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:25:32 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) X-Diagnostic: Mail to Rupolot@bdd.com bounced 1 times X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:23:15 -0800 X-UIDL: adbfb0f51c23722a5f1f0fa6af5253ad Please remove Rupolot@bdd.com from your list ASAP. This user is no longer here and we are receiving too many messages from you. Thank You J.A. Feliciano Network Administrator Bantam Doubleday Dell From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:46:55 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 10:45:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC7YO-0004cL-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:45:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3503E46F.6422@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 13:40:26 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mM1VmB.A.RCD.aZDB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4023 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:45:36 -0800 X-UIDL: f258ed58f8876ac285b75c0df5c3bb22 > What about the Alesis stuff, Nanoverb, Microverb, etc.? Has anyone any > pros/cons about this gear? I would also like to be able to apply effects to > the looping side of my (tiny) system. I have an LXP15+ and a Quadraverb+. When I record, I mix with the Lex, but when I use a rack gadget for playing live, I always go for the Q+. That low rez grittiness is the bamb, yo. Trevor From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:59 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 05:47:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC2tR-00050H-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:47:01 -0800 From: Marzzz Message-ID: <521fdd63.3503f152@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:40:32 EST To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: DNA loops Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"C-rtnC.A.4eE.RJ_A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3995 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:47:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 71f1a901dede1d5fee75455e0f7184fb In a message dated 3/9/98 4:04:37 AM, Olivier Malhomme wrote: <> Plasmids? From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:21:59 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 05:59:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC359-0005sz-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:59:07 -0800 From: "Peter Thompson" To: Subject: Re:open letter to Torn Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:55:45 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"1uMq2D.A.cUF.lU_A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3996 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:59:07 -0800 X-UIDL: ddf86f5d754344e32d945befaf21c973 Hello there, Perhaps DT should assume the guise of a modern day Strolling Minstrel, wandering from town to town with naught but guitar, FX rig and the clothes on his back playing a few loops to humble folk in exchange for a little food and a roof to sleep under. Pete From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:22:03 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 06:31:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC3a5-00008t-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:31:05 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C292845F7@NTSRV2> From: "Sellon, Bob (Exchange)" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Decent inexpensive reverbs?--Lexicon Reflex Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:25:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"zf2G8.A.AMH.Fy_A1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3998 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:31:05 -0800 X-UIDL: f2b95eb3e192054f2bff0d46affd2814 Reflex Info It's been a while since I worked on the Reflex but it's roughly equivilent to a Lexicon LXP 1 with a display. The system also has better access to some of the underlying parameters than the LXP 1 from the front panel when you go into a special "Advanced Programming Mode". There were a few tweeks to the algorithms (early reflections and randomizers) and program chaining and edit compare were added as well. MIDI-wise, Reflex has virtually the same SysEx implementation as the LXP 1 as well as 5(?) programmable patches that can be made from continuous controllers, Last MIDI note, Velocity, Aftertouch, pitchbend or tempo. The patches are dynamically learned and are stored with user programs. For the hardware tweekers out there, I also slipped a couple of TTL toggle lines in there as well which can be controlled via MIDI controllers (94 and 95 I think). There were a couple of unused control lines so I figured I might find a use for them someday. Though the Reflex only uses one footswitch, the circuit board is laid out for a second jack. On my Reflex, I installed a jack, drilled out the panel and use the power from the Reflex for an external homemade MIDI break out box. I use the aforementioned control lines to select between 2 different MIDI inputs for the box. Other uses I thought might be interesting are selecting between 2 audio inputs or outputs to amps, etc... Anyone interested in messing with this could contact me at bsellon@lexicon.com (put "Reflex" in the subject). Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec > ---------- > From: Ed Drake[SMTP:ejmd@erols.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 1998 2:02 PM > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > Subject: Decent inexpensive reverbs?--Lexicon Reflex > > Hello all, > I'm not trying to drag the discussion down into gear geek talk but I > was > wondering what reverb processors everyone here uses. I'm in the market > for > a new reverb but I > don't have a lot of cash, so is there anything out there that is > decent for > not a lot of money? (The eternal question) > I heard that Lexicon recently discontinued the Reflex, a reverb unit > that > came out around the time of the JamMan and Vortex. I think it's > somewhat > programmable and has MIDI implementation. Has any one heard or used > one of > these and what do you think of it? I remember when Lexicon > discontinued the > JamMan and Vortex, people were finding them at music store blowouts > for > $150-200. Has anybody seen any Reflexes going dirt cheap? > Thanks! > Ed > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 10:36:45 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 10:33:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC7MH-0002yI-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:33:05 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980309063703.22efb29a@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 06:37:03 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: Setup Time for Loop Rig In-Reply-To: <199803091702.JAA02756@scv3.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EEyhsC.A.csB.4ODB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4021 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:33:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 70bcabb88ec8aa71ab743ac8de1d3cd8 a man who has found a way to deal with the geek factor.outstanding tips especially the last one.....perhaps i'll print this one up,,,too much time setting up does not lend itself to a smooth creative musical process...well your in Austin,,,Mr. Hartnett,,,please let me know if you want to travel down to San Antonio, and share a night of looping with a small but appreciative crowd,,,i can set something up,,,probably wont be a paying gig however,,,anyone else on the list feel free to consider this an open invitation ,,,if you are traveling this way,,,give me some notice,,,i'll book something,,,and get them to mention it in the local paper...of course we WOULD find a way to pay Mr. dt,,,,break some legs in the name of furthering the local music/art awareness in the collective culture...but is it ready???and is he ready for that TX coffee? james "something's got to give" rhodes At 11:04 AM 3/9/98 -0000, you wrote: >> I was wondering how long it takes everyone to set up at a gig with their >>looping rig- anyone have any time/space saving advice??? > >Unloading time: ten minutes (car to stage, use a dolly) >Setup time: ten minutes. > >I've found it useful to: > >* Rack and fasten everything down. >* Don't have loose, delicate crap (pedalboards without cases, >footcontrollers rattling around loose, etc). Everything should be in a >robust case WITH GOOD HANDLES. >* Wheels on all cases, dolly everything else. >* Clearly label all cables, use the same cables for connections each time. >* Bundle the bunch of cables you probably have going between the stuff at >your feet and the gear in your rack. >* Always put everything away in the same place. >* Space allowing, always set everything up in the same place (relative >position of pedals, speakers, etc). >* Coil all cables neatly and secure them with velcro ties. >* Put a nightlight in the back of your rack, for when you're trying to >make all those connections in a semi-dark stage before the show. >* Put very colorful markings on the jacks in your rack to make it easy to >find which of many inputs you need to connect to. Consider blocking off >unused connections with tape to prevent accidental misconnections. >* Book a lot of gigs. Practice is the best way to learn to quickly >setup/teardown. > >Travis Hartnett > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:22:09 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 06:47:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC3pt-0001IN-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:47:25 -0800 Message-ID: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F5A0@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Jeff Duke' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Future loop music -- What will it sound like & Where will it come from? Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:42:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"oa2FMD.A.F3.2AAB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3999 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:47:25 -0800 X-UIDL: fa10906c36da47e1db6cf14cec7c2c01 Adding a wrinkle to the "What will the future of loop music be / sound like?" A while back I was asking if there was anyone who represented the "forefront of loop-based music." When, basically no-one was offered up as being a light showing the way I thought, "Oh well, maybe my question wasn't understood. I mean, SOMEONE must be breaking new ground." But, recently it occurs to me there may be another "way" forward. What if there is no galvanizing personality / talent - a Jimi Hendrix or a Miles Davis - that seems to lead the way. What if there is a galvanizing "wave" or "movement" or "scene"? An example of this idea would be "Electronica." Certainly it's a new phenomenon to see such popular music selling so well with so few recognizable names. Here we have a style that seems to have emerged without a "leading-light" of star talent, but rather a wave / style / movement of folks all kicking around a bunch of related ideas. To which I received -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Duke [SMTP:jmar@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, March 06, 1998 6:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: 'Kim Flint' Subject: Re: Future loop music -- what will it sound like? Well, this brings to mind way back in 66,67 when I was a drummer,and our band played the friday night battle of the bands in Wichita Falls,Tex.at the local YMCA.We were playing Young Rascels,Animals,etc.and we wondered about this same basic question.Then Jimi came out 'and the fuzz tone and well you might get the picture,he was somebody who summed it all up and made all those styles into something that captured the imaginations and soul of an entire generation where nothing like it had been before. Where is the next Jimi? Jeff David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Gosh. I tried asking this to a few forums (including L-Delight) a month or > two ago. The best answer I got was from a philosopher friend. > > She pointed out the question of the day we're all facing is this: What is > the desirable role / place for technology? So, my speculation is one key > feature we'll find in all our "innovators of tomorrow" will be "surprises" > in the way they address using technology. > > David Kirkdorffer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@chromatic.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 4:48 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Future loop music (was: Love lorne whiners) > > Where is loop based music going? What directions will it be taking > in the > future? Not the gear, but the music itself! What compositional, > improvisational, cultural, etc. directions are things heading in? > > > kim > ________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:22:10 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 06:58:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC40i-0002Lj-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:58:36 -0800 Message-ID: <350410AC.A0E340AE@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 15:54:24 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:genetics101 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E0CA943B2B32EEB1BFC61212" Resent-Message-ID: <"UDfU4D.A.H6B.4LAB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4000 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:58:36 -0800 X-UIDL: ec57bb1b1744346d08008eb9fddf3a83 But you have to be american to think there might be genetic diferences. In Europe, at best you would laugh at the idea..

"Where would this study leave bisexual women, fem lesbians, or gay men?  ha ha Maybe this is why gay men and middle-class white male loopers apparently have so much in common... "

But maybe there is a genetic determination to looping with a jamman and erm.. looking for money like mad to be ale to buy one of these day a Klein and two echoplexes
;-) mmmm...

Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:22:15 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 08:11:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC593-0007gg-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:11:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199803091609.JAA03637@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: Re:open letter to Torn Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:05:01 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p0BuMB.A.Y2G.WPBB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4001 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:11:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 0c503e3fc50b2ec280ca5d2e61695a91 Peter Thompson suggests the following: > Perhaps DT should assume the guise of a modern day Strolling Minstrel, > wandering from town to town with naught but guitar, FX rig and the clothes > on his back playing a few loops to humble folk in exchange for a little > food and a roof to sleep under. Having seen Mr. T's effects rig, I suspect he'd be *staggering* from town to town. ;-) Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:22:16 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 08:20:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC5HR-0000jU-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:19:57 -0800 Message-Id: <199803091618.JAA03675@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: electronica double standard? Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:14:26 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Th8xsD.A.kY.9XBB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4002 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:19:57 -0800 X-UIDL: ea4181027ddc237f6c2863f711902caa matthew hahn wrote: >I have to agree on the subject of DJing. I am not knocking it, but in >deference to looping I'm willing to submit that DJing is more emotional >than technical, more creation of moods from other people's music, than >creating one's own. Interesting... You might make the same observation about any number of non-electronica bands that play essentially recycled or nostalgic music (Porcupine Tree, for example.) It's kosher in music criticism to knock bands that sound too much like older bands, but electronica/sampling/remixing is seemingly exempt from that criticism. I don't think I understand why that is. Anyone? Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:22:17 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 08:24:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC5M4-0001Lh-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:24:44 -0800 Message-Id: <199803091621.JAA03689@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: a woman's ears Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:17:18 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FnalHC.A.mt.5aBB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4003 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:24:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 7af13ad475e43bd1fa774c1ec3d98b98 Kim writes: > Just so's you know.....As I understand the physiological issue, it's not > volume or high frequencies that cause the discomfort in women. It's > particular types of non-harmonic distortion in the audio system, which will > tend to be worse at higher volume. I've seen several discussions of this in > audio engineering journals, usually under the context of how to get a wider > customer base for audio products. Okay, so the obvious question is: what frequencies should I concentrate on so women will find me irresistable? Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:22:18 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 08:30:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC5Ri-00027b-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:30:34 -0800 From: TritoneDW Message-ID: <29d2958.350417bd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:24:27 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: The future of looping, etc. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"rM5JgD.A.tYB.CgBB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4004 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:30:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 72dd7129f73589e47d6bc4c402120d2a Hey folks, I wouldn't say this is anyone's future but my own (maybe a couple other people, like Paul Dresher--but it's probably more his past), but I thought I'd share what I'm most interested in right now: using loops as a compositional tool, rather than an improvisational one. I'm writing "contemporary classical" music (for lack of a better term--everyone gets upset when you use the more accepted term "serious music") for solo electric guitar right now, and the looper opens up certain intiguing possibilities for the composer. For example, you can have stacked structures much larger than usually available with four fingers and six strings (fifths stacked over 3 or 4 octaves for example). You can create shifting walls of texture (I'm sure everyone here knows that), which can be interesting both as background and foreground. I don't think anything I'm doing with this is groundbreaking or unusual , except that my approach is specifically compositional (in a "classical" way, rather than jazz or post-rock, or whatever). Of course, I do the "rock" thing, too--usually walls of guitar noise, rather than looped lines or chord progressions. My approach to this is mostly improv, although I have some favorite textures I tend to fall back on pretty often. Anyway, that's my thing---let's hear from more people, eh what? Drew Wheeler From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:22:18 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 08:37:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC5Y9-00030N-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:37:13 -0800 From: Marzzz Message-ID: <51ce8888.350418f3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:29:37 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re:open letter to Torn Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"G0dH1D.A.EDC.ElBB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4005 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:37:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 4d3b4384fa4f60719f354ad2b16e6136 In a message dated 3/9/98 7:58:34 AM, you wrote: >Perhaps DT should assume the guise of a modern day Strolling Minstrel, >wandering from town to town with naught but guitar, FX rig and the clothes >on his back playing a few loops to humble folk in exchange for a little >food and a roof to sleep under. Didn't Patrick Moraz actually do this a few years back, arrange a tour going from (practically) home to home in the US? Marshall From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:22:21 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 08:54:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC5p3-0005Nn-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:54:41 -0800 Message-ID: <007601bd4b7a$2317d660$9a23dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: electronica double standard? Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:40:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"SrwKgD.A.9eD.tvBB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4008 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:54:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 50ba3266828008b84734e8b6960d9c2a >matthew hahn wrote: >>I have to agree on the subject of DJing. I am not knocking it, but in >>deference to looping I'm willing to submit that DJing is more emotional >>than technical, more creation of moods from other people's music, than >>creating one's own. Scott Bullerwell responded: >Interesting... You might make the same observation about any number of >non-electronica bands that play essentially recycled or nostalgic music >(Porcupine Tree, for example.) It's kosher in music criticism to knock >bands that sound too much like older bands, but >electronica/sampling/remixing is seemingly exempt from that criticism. I >don't think I understand why that is. Anyone? Probably because I suspect that most music critics have or have had enough of a broad array of opinions about it that none of them can agree at times as to WHAT 'electronic' music IS, to say nothing of the failure on some's parts to understand new patterns of expression. Having made hugely mistaken statements about the music that's appeared since the mid-80s, perhaps these same critics are holding their horses, and as a result, not really expressing an opinion that coincides with anyone elses'. End result, the melange that exists today. Not one critic - or listener in many cases - will be able to tell you EXACTLY WHAT any of the following comprises: 'Ambient', 'New Age', 'Trance', 'Techno', 'Electronic', 'Experimental', 'Beat', and so on. I believe this problem of identification actually may occur as a result of noone wanting to be nailed for coining a tragically incorrect term for the music. "New Age" came to be derided in many cases, for instance, because it implied attachment to some kind of alternative religious process, but that didn't stop record stores from putting Eno and others into that section, instead of, say, the "Experimental" or "Electronic" sections, where he'd been before. I think there's more of a need for marketing purposes to come up with a 'term' for what this all is - and what We do as well - than there is for artists to identify what it is they're doing or achieving. But again this is not new. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:22:19 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 08:48:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC5jH-0004a4-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:48:43 -0800 Message-Id: <98Mar9.103821cst.26883@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: pmurphy@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:41:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Pat Murphy Subject: Plex Warranty Info In-Reply-To: <01BD495A.9B86D0F0.douglas-lawrence@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"o-h7eD.A.PMD.ntBB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4006 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:48:43 -0800 X-UIDL: b8377635c339b4b7e741442a2aa60477 >Well, I wondered the same thing after I hunted around in the box. So Pat, *IS* there a warranty on >these Plexi? Also, does Oberheim recommend non-parity over parity memory upgrades? > >Thanks Much. All new Echoplexes have a warranty. One year on parts and 90 days on labor. Hang on to your sales receipt because that is the bottom line when warranty work is done. The warranty card is not really necessary. If you want one, I will be glad to send one to you. Send me email with your name and address and I will send one to you. We just received our new warranty cards that have the new Oberheim address. As for memory, parity or non-parity will work. thanks Pat From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:22:20 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 08:53:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC5nw-0005E8-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:53:32 -0800 X-Sender: rmenger@mail.groupz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7cc3a231.3503e902@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:41:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Richard Menger Subject: Re: Re: cheeseheads/open letter to Torn (was: "I don't think she'svery nice" Resent-Message-ID: <"yjKLQC.A.6aD.SvBB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4007 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:53:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 3f3e6895b6a8eb26e57ac3ede6fb21d7 >well: >where exactly d'ya think i should play, in yer town? >best, >dt The Variety Playhouse is Atlanta would be very cool...or Maybe CenterStage....The Fox Theatre would rule...but it's probably too big..The masquerade would probably be a good place as well...;-) -Rich From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:20 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 12:31:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC9CO-0001jd-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:31:00 -0800 X-Sender: rmenger@mail.groupz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:44:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Richard Menger Subject: Re:open letter to Torn Resent-Message-ID: <"LZqMtD.A.QE.N3EB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4032 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:31:00 -0800 X-UIDL: e04f3fc9b65dcf5b011fe0e8d4867838 >Hello there, > >Perhaps DT should assume the guise of a modern day Strolling Minstrel, >wandering from town to town with naught but guitar, FX rig and the clothes >on his back playing a few loops to humble folk in exchange for a little >food and a roof to sleep under. > >Pete Just like Eugene Chadbourne...that would be cool!!!! -Rich From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:22:22 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 09:15:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC68m-0000Qm-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:15:04 -0800 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:01:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803091701.MAA25710@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: Who is Robin Williamson? Resent-Message-ID: <"SUoVAB.A.XEG.SCCB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4009 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:15:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 42bfb58ba95ce522982291a1caad6dbe At 02:21 PM 3/8/98, you (Michael Pycraft-Hughes) wrote: >> sure you don't mean Robin Williamson???;-) > >I'm pretty sure... who's Robin Williamson? > Robin Williamson is a Scot (from Glasgow, I believe) who in the 60s was part of the Incredible String Band. He has done a great many recordings since then of traditional harp music, using the wire strung harp, the nylon harp and he's also one of the only people I've heard who uses "buzzers" one his strings on some tunes. (Buzzers are a very old way of getting a sort of sitar-like twang/buzz from your wire strung hard.). He did a great album (not available on CD as far as I know) where he played all the instruments (he plays over 35) called Music For The Mabinogion. (A collection of Welsh Tales, originally from the oral bardic tradition, written down in the 1400s). Its great stuff if you can find it. Frank Gerace Dreamchild > > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:22:23 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 09:15:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC695-0000TZ-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:15:23 -0800 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:01:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803091701.MAA25744@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: physical modeling ,setup time and the future Resent-Message-ID: <"fjl3tD.A.jEG.TCCB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4010 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:15:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 46324e3d1de8bb000c81876ed73f1d1a At 05:26 PM 3/8/98 -0700, you wrote: > > >I've used a Roland VG-8 for a little more than a year and wouldn't go >back to my old rig. Granted there are tradeoffs on either side, but the >variety of sounds and ease of transport make the VG-8 work for me. >Setup for me is a bit over 5 minutes. This will change somewhat as I >plan to add some external processing and a Chapman Stick. I've been using the VG8 for a few years now and couldn't agree more. I still have my AC30 when I want "that" sound, but have switched to using the PA and running in stereo. There are tradeoffs, but as many people have pointed out, there are tradeoffs and limitations to any instrument. Its looping ability is limited, but its delays can be used creatively with expression pedal and I find in conjunction with my JamMan and Echoplex, I've got more than enough technology to grow into and explore for awhile. > >Even when the technology is more accessible, there will still be a >contingent who won't want to try it. On the other hand, technopuds >like me will sniff this stuff out and attempt to make it do stuff it's >not supposed to. When I program, I try to think in terms of the song, >not in terms of reproducing a certain guitar/amp combination. But I >agree that as the technology develops, things are gonna get wacky. > >>I think this is KINDA along the lines of the future of >>looping-thread.........To add to that thread: I think the future of >>looping lies in the hope that technology will be more accessible >>and affordable. > As long as there are people who push to make the new toys do what they aren't made to do, there will be excitement happening in the music. It may not be for everyone and yes, there will always be those who sneer, but, so what? There are lots of different musics, and technology affects each differently. >>Lets face it: Us David Torn fans ain`t exactly a BIG >>percent of the musicians out there. > >That's ok, what we lack in size we make up in enthusiasm (some innuendo >intended) > I'll echo that sentiment! Frank Gerace Dreamchild From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 09:22:24 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 09:16:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC69a-0000Y4-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:15:54 -0800 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:02:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803091702.MAA25774@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: From a new guy with lots of dumb questions Resent-Message-ID: <"Daf11C.A.LJG.xCCB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4011 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:15:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 2df66584ab775d11c0f88205c255aafc At 11:28 PM 3/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >1.) It seems that most of us are guitar players (as I am, though I'm slowly making the >transition to the Stick). Is anyone experimenting with looped vocals, percussion, etc.? >Just curious. > Hello, Peter, Dreamchild, the band I am half of, is using a JamMan for the other half, (our vocalist, harpist, bassist). Cheryl samples parts of her vocal lines and harmonises with herself on a number of songs and also uses the loop function to create vocal loops on a number of other pieces. For my part, I run a VG8 guitar into a JamMan and Echoplex (via Mackie 1202 VLZ). We create what we call music for dreams and nightmares. > > >3.) Is anyone on this list in the Boston area? Please let me know if there's anything >going on that I should be aware of. We are from Boston and will be playing at Jacque's, 79 Broadway (behind the Cinema 57 on Stuart St, downtown Boston, on Friday, Macrh 20. There are other Boston Loopers here on the list, including David Kirkdorffer who loops on his own and with his bamd, little a. We are still throwing the idea of a Boston area Loopers nite around. If you're interested email me privately and I'll fill you in. Plans are very sketchy as everyone is busy with lots of other stuff. > Frank Gerace Dreamchild From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 10:36:35 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 09:42:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC6Yy-000432-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:42:08 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:16:30 -0800 Message-ID: <0009FB1B.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: ECM (was Frisell/torn) To: , Mike.Biffle@wj.com, "Woehni" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"S4Fm3B.A.9XC.xcCB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4014 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:42:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 649464f8663916a8f61bf3460f5ae61a Miko: >I've always been attracted to that Scandanavian 'endless plain' atmospheric >style... Garbarek, Rypdal. On "Where in the World" Frisell really floats out >there on a couple tracks as well. Thom: Yeah! That one has always been my favourite frisell album , and now you made me realize why.... "Unsung Heroes" is really one of my all time favorites! So simple and elegant, yet complex at the same time. Bill's improv is so lyrical. I learned it and programmed the 'head' into my sequencer and had a great time improvising to it. I really learned a lot with that one. That's my favorite Frisell release as well. Miko: >I got both these CD's around the same time (a long time ago). They were also my >first exposure to Torn and Frisell. Soon after Power Tools w/Frisell came out >and that really did it for me. I like Frissell a lot, but Torn has a little >more wiggle in his concept which strikes a little closer to home for me. Thom: Power Tools? I have heard mention of that before , but I have no idea what it is. ne1?? I know this was discussed recently, but I couldn't find the post. The vinyl I have is called "Bass Desires" and I believe it is Marc Johnson and ??? (someone help me here.) Frisell's playing on this record is *very* electric on this album. Although it isn't necessarily more distorted / fed back / or agitated... It just seems that the chemistry is electric. This is Frissell before he had his Klein. He was playing his SG on this one. -miko From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 10:36:38 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 10:11:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC71C-00007d-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:11:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:23:43 -0800 Message-ID: <0009FB3D.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: SV: Am I beeing ignored? To: , Mike.Biffle@wj.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"gmBZrC.A.lmF.X1CB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4016 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:11:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 203dfb544fef93998477d9f47ef270a0 They may not have replied to YOU, but I do believe that I saw all those posts you described below on the LD list... -miko oh , Nuthin` much........Just some gigantic mails about My setup including stuff I`m not too good with yet. Vortex,jamman,Patchmate , midimate Pedals.......And About expression pedals: Does anyone know of good , affordable pedals that WORK with the vortex WITHOUT any tweaking (BTW, thanks for the tip , Sean)???? I use the FS5U's by Roland/Boss and the EV5 exp ped. The FS5U is very stable and positive and they dovetail together to form a strip of however many you own. They aren't that cheap though. ~25-35 buck depending on where you get them. The EV5 exp pedal seems to work with whatever I plug it into, so I'd say it's a good choice for continuous control. -miko And I posted a mail about the Roland VG 8 and physical modeling...... And a question about a Frisell/Torn project that sadly only exists in my head , hehe....... Im shure there were more mails , but the weird thing was that NOONE replied. Thats why I Felt like whining to ya` all.....:-) Yours , Thomas > From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:41 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 15:24:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCBue-0001gJ-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:24:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199803092312.RAA24044@mail.tds.net> From: "Bruce Gerow" To: Subject: VORTEX Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:33:58 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kl9pC.A.4QH.vdHB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4046 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:24:52 -0800 X-UIDL: bfc3de7d0606822fa8309b5d884169bf Hi Loopers, I ran into a Vortex at a local music store (ouch)for only $150.The problem is that it is noisy and the led's flicker a little when you turn the register knobs.I've used Vortexs before and I know they are not this noisy.Does anyone have any ideas if it would be worthwhile to try and fix it or have it repaired?The footswitches were not included.Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, LooseBruce The noise is like transistor amp noise (shshsh) and you can hear the chorusing for example. From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 10:36:38 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 10:12:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC72P-0000HU-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:12:33 -0800 From: KRosser414 Message-ID: <698d6b4b.35042d2f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:55:57 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: A number of recent topics Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"goKA3B.A.isF.D2CB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4017 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:12:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 826fd5457d63b83167d3ce6ca91d7056 Sorry to be flogging a few long-dead horses but I'm just now catching up on reading several digests. Re: Lexicon's low-end products - at the NAMM show I became interested in the new MPX-100, according to the literature to be available in April. Someone here posted that it was preset only - I'm not sure if that's true, I seem to remember some "User" dial on the front panel but don't know what it operates and to what extent. My wildest dream is that this will be sort of an LXP-5 with a usable interface (in which case I'd buy it unheard). Gee, if only someone from Lexicon were actually here to chime in with the official word... Re: The JamMan. I finally got it. I love it. I'm in the honeymood throes of "JamMan-itis", where I'm supposed to be spending the afternoon learning a pile of music for paying gigs and find that instead I've spent the last five hours making bizarre sound collages. Now that I have this monkey on my back, I need a memory upgrade. What's the best tip on getting the necessary chips? Re: Music and the significant other - I've always thought one of the best tests of the strength of a relationship was the ability to have interests of your own without your partner being threatened by them. I think there's a certain amount of wisdom in appreciating what your significant other brings to the table that is unique to them. I've taken my wife to lots of concerts where I thought she'd like it, such as the Neville Brothers or Marisa Monte, but she usually knows by the records I listen to at home if she'd rather pass on it and thankfully has no problem saying so. It's funny, I can listen to a lot of stuff that I'd think sounds like nails on a chalkboard to her and she won't bat an eye, but nothing will send her from the room screaming like anyone singing Kurt Weill (but especially Lotte Lenya). Go figure. I'm mystified by that one. Frankly I think the assumption that women are innately unnattracted to 'arty' or experimental music is bullshit and I could offer anecdotal evidence all day, but enough is enough, ultimately I think it says more about the social shortcomings of the person lamenting than the object of his lamentations. I have twin girls (age 3 in April) that like to dance to the Ives Holiday Symphony, Peter Gabriel's Passion and Miles' Jack Johnson, so maybe I'm doing my part in sending a few more weird chicks out into the world:-). As it is, they both want guitars for their next birthday (let's hope for my wallet's sake they don't have their hearts set on a pair of Kleins)... And finally, I offer no endorsement or condemnation of this, but I can't resist sending it, for what it's worth - Herbie Hancock is fond of quoting a piece of advice Miles Davis once gave him: "If you look out in the audience and you see only guys, your shit is dead". Ken R From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:26 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 13:15:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC9tR-0006ut-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:15:29 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980309115956.00895840@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 11:59:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Setup Time for Loop Rig In-Reply-To: <03e501bd4a14$3148d520$cef0ffd0@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"G1tvXB.A.aOF.gmFB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4036 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:15:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 384a27bb7c21068ca6d4a8d98d7aa25e My entire setup (Ensoniq DP/4+ and Mexicon Yam-man) is mounted in a 4-space SKB rack with a 1-space connector panel for the MIDI, CV, and audio interfacing. My Rolls MIDI Wizard and CV pedal travel in the SKB rack. Since the connections are all on the front, I leave the rear lid on the SKB and set it face-up on the stage, which allows me to clearly see the displays. The Wizard is phantom powered through the MIDI cable. Setup and soundcheck take less than five minutes, and I can usually carry-on my entire rig, including the Steinberger, when flying as they will fit in an overhead compartment. -Chuck Zwicky At 04:58 PM 3/7/98 -0500, you wrote: > > I was wondering how long it takes everyone to set up at a gig with their >looping rig- anyone have any time/space saving advice??? > >Dave Eichenberger > > > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 10:36:40 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 10:13:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC73a-0000RV-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:13:46 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD4B5B.4CA634F0@TD-300> From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: electronica double standard? Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:00:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD4B5B.4CCC81A0" Resent-Message-ID: <"pwnVbC.A.rwF.g2CB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4018 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:13:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 8db59514edc2ad3e14595e578c658ef6 Why ?? ( Usually ) And simply, DJ's are about the breakdown and microfragmentation of everything. Because often the intent and purpose & context are explicitly different >from the original primary sources of sampling. The purpose of a band in the traditional sense and a hip hop or dj oriented artist can be the same in the end but the contexts and approaches are often miles apart with bands or traditional musicians putting a lot of emphasis on their approaches and losing sight of where to let go of their analyzations and traditional expectations. W/ Djing, obviously The concern isn't on being a virtuoso in traditonal musical senses. Nor is the emphasis on using someone elses moods to actualize your own groove - Its about how to effectively bend or adapt things - sounds or better yet fragments of something typically or atypically associative to your own perspective then letting go of it and letting it roll on its on steam. Most Critics and the public get off on that piece of the picture alone. The samples are important but not all encompassing vehicles that ultimately take a back seat to whatever groove a slammin DJ's got it flowin. (IMHO) The whole process is geared centered behind the idea that music belongs to no one ever...no matter who or how greatly an artist may be revered or extolled. That tennet in and of itself is enuff to make a lot of folks cringe or perhaps not be able to appreciate its beauty. Most bands are usually 90% of the time about the buildup and construction. People and critics care passionately about DJ or sample oriented stuff's potential for deliverance & or reinforcement ( like a lot of music scenes do ) of its values and look to its immersion to pull away from what isn't perceived as needed. Its also deeply sexual and sensual and sometimes just downright crude. It's a reflection of the street and a persons need to constantly have a good hustle goin that is both flexible, quick, direct and relevant to the world in which ya exist or quickly expire. Right now street pictures are what is being asked for over and over again. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Bullerwell [SMTP:tanelorn@dimensional.com] Sent: Monday, March 09, 1998 11:14 AM To: Looper's Delight Subject: electronica double standard? matthew hahn wrote: >I have to agree on the subject of DJing. I am not knocking it, but in >deference to looping I'm willing to submit that DJing is more emotional >than technical, more creation of moods from other people's music, than >creating one's own. Interesting... You might make the same observation about any number of non-electronica bands that play essentially recycled or nostalgic music (Porcupine Tree, for example.) It's kosher in music criticism to knock bands that sound too much like older bands, but electronica/sampling/remixing is seemingly exempt from that criticism. I don't think I understand why that is. Anyone? Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:50 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 16:56:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCDLQ-0006AN-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:56:36 -0800 Message-ID: <35042E33.E85957CA@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 19:00:19 +0100 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: a woman's ears References: <199803091621.JAA03689@hyper.dimensional.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1UhJsC.A.kJE.7yIB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4054 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:56:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 921461e6af96dbf1217ffc348487d62f Scott confessed > Okay, so the obvious question is: what frequencies should I concentrate on > so women will find me irresistable? Claude advises Play the cello with a tempo of 0,5 Hz From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 10:36:43 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 10:18:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC789-00014S-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:18:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:01:54 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: Decent inexpensive reverbs? ... Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199803091302_MC2-3619-32B2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"zhjwLD.A.9nG.B9CB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4019 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:18:29 -0800 X-UIDL: ee661f3e4c3740efbdea93c40bdfc64b does anyone know if there is a decent not too expensive reverb which needs only half a rack space? It would be really nice to have something that fits beside my SE-70 which is just half a rack space. michael peters mpeters@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters.htm From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:46:57 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 11:00:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC7mx-0006YA-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:00:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:05:28 -0800 Message-ID: <0009FC1B.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Setup Time for Loop Rig To: "Looper's Delight" , Mike.Biffle@wj.com, "T.W. Hartnett" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"1MF0-C.A.K5E.pnDB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4025 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:00:39 -0800 X-UIDL: bc546b6cb8eaf4de18d2b1186cb235fd > I was wondering how long it takes everyone to set up at a gig with their >looping rig- anyone have any time/space saving advice??? Travis Hartnett wrote: Unloading time: ten minutes (car to stage, use a dolly) Setup time: ten minutes. I've found it useful to:....Snipped list of great stuff. I've found all of Travis' suggestions to be useful These are habits I've acquired over the years for speed, efficiency and protection of my gear. I would add that it is a great idea to keep yer grubby little hands completely OUT OF THE REAR OF YOUR RACK if you would like to avoid that pesky single unplugged line of varying importance which will SCREW UP YOUR GIG AND TORMENT YOU! A patch bay is my single greatest setup friend in my rig. I have a stereo TRS bay (Furman PB40S) which allows me to send those continuous control peds and channel insert cables thru as well, on their way to Vortex, JamMan etc. TRS is also handy for getting more throughput in a limited space. Be sure it's well organized and possibly even LABELLED! (Mine was labelled, but now isn't due to many re-orgs). I wish I had midi through as well as AC so I could even leave the cover on the rear of the rack. There might be temperature problems if I did that though. The bay will then allow you access to all your nifty studio / recording toys as well and you'll never again be swearing because you have to climb behind your rack to repatch something or reorder fx or get something lifted to your aux buss etc. Good luck with all those hateful cables. -miko From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:08 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 11:46:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC8VZ-0004O8-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:46:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199803091816.LAA04451@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: Decent inexpensive reverbs? ... Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:11:48 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9LHx7B.A.ZRD.4VEB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4028 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:46:45 -0800 X-UIDL: cee7fa85499e110ef194499efad96a73 Erm... Alesis nanoverb? Never used one myself, but they're certainly low-cost and small. Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA ---------- > From: Michael Peters > To: 'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Subject: Decent inexpensive reverbs? ... > Date: Monday, March 09, 1998 11:01 > > does anyone know if there is a decent not too expensive reverb which needs > only half a rack space? It would be really nice to have something that fits > beside my SE-70 which is just half a rack space. > > michael peters mpeters@compuserve.com > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters.htm From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:46:57 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 11:01:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC7nF-0006ad-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:00:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:15:26 -0800 Message-ID: <0009FC34.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Who is Robin Williamson? To: "Looper's Delight" , Mike.Biffle@wj.com, "T.W. Hartnett" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"9ZgXeD.A.b4E.knDB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4024 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:00:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 8dbc0316496bf4092e87868a12910ad0 > Robin Williamson is a Scot (from Glasgow, I believe) who in the 60s >was part of the Incredible String Band.... SNIP Travis Hartnett: wrote I believe he's on Green Linnet now. I've got a couple of his CD's (including one with John Renbourn), and they're quite good. He's also a world-class nutter--one of his CD's is live and includes his between song patter. Worth the price of admission by itself. I wish I had seen this first hand, but I'll try to describe the situation. Robin was recently in Santa Cruz and apparently, he has a contingent of lesbian feminist fans who had come to see him. Many of his lyrics, while not offensive (relative), do hold slightly dated and romanticised values not highly regarded in the gay / les / fem domain. The upshot was that he ended up in a shouting match with his fans / audience between songs which sounded unbelievably funny. Bad show to miss for me. I couldn't stop laughing at the description my friend gave me. It sounded like Robin was none the worse for the conflict... It almost seemed that he rather enjoyed it. I am a great fan of the Incredible String Band and actually cover a couple of their songs. October Song and Womankind (gotta be careful with that one... people always as questions about it). -miko From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 10:36:46 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 10:36:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC7P9-0003Mf-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:36:03 -0800 Message-Id: <98Mar9.132410est.18818@thicket.arbortext.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:17:30 -0500 From: David White Reply-To: dwhite@arbortext.com Organization: Arbortext Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Klein Guitar? was - Re: A number of recent topics References: <698d6b4b.35042d2f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EoWepD.A.eAC.LRDB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4022 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:36:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 585824f88cafc6a4115b1c972d868392 I must live in a cave or something. What is the story with Klein Guitars? All of the talk lately is making my gear monkey drool, and I wasn't even aware I was missing something. Dave From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:45 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 16:13:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCCfF-0000FW-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:13:01 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E2007@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: ECM (was Frisell/torn) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:32:56 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"42zqQB.A.0EG.0LIB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4049 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:13:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 8687f5d6cebc6dcc27cbbee228ff8799 > The vinyl I have is called "Bass Desires" and I believe it is Marc > Johnson and > ??? (someone help me here.) Frisell's playing on this record is *very* > electric > on this album. Although it isn't necessarily more distorted / fed back > / or > agitated... It just seems that the chemistry is electric. This is > Frissell > before he had his Klein. He was playing his SG on this one. > > -miko > > Marc Johnson, Bill Frisell, John Scofield, Peter Erskine . . . in other words, a bunch of real slackers. From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:46:58 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 11:01:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC7nx-0006gf-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:01:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:44:36 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Decent inexpensive reverbs?--Lexicon Reflex In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"vgv0S.A.LGF.IpDB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4026 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:01:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 158d830e3edbb455e6f567935c880219 On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Ed Drake wrote: > Hello all, > I'm not trying to drag the discussion down into gear geek talk but I was > wondering what reverb processors everyone here uses. I'm in the market for > a new reverb but I > don't have a lot of cash, so is there anything out there that is decent for > not a lot of money? (The eternal question) That depends on what you mean by "not alot of money". I really dig the Alesis Midiverb (4?) unit which seems to be running around $300. I borrowed one to do some work on the Dark Aether Project CD and I fell in love with the "Final Days" (or is it "Last Days"? I think it was preset #56) patch which has this great dark chamber sound that added this amazing big massive wall of gloomy nastiness to the sounds that I was using. You can hear it on the "Heaven's Decent" loop piece on the CD. Anyone who caught our show a couple of weeks ago, heard me using it on the solo loop that I set up as a segue into our "Dark Aether" improv closer. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti The Dark Aether Project: http://www.ari.net/prog/bands/dap/ From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:05 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 11:27:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC8DE-00028k-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:27:48 -0800 From: Marzzz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:20:05 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, MPeters@compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Decent inexpensive reverbs? ... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"LVkLY.A.VOB.vEEB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4027 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:27:48 -0800 X-UIDL: dd5844f1f73c3545e2df831cf9b26567 In a message dated 3/9/98 12:14:56 PM, michael peters wrote: >does anyone know if there is a decent not too expensive reverb which needs >only half a rack space? It would be really nice to have something that fits >beside my SE-70 which is just half a rack space. Perhaps a used Lexicon LXP-5? Marshall From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:09 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 11:55:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC8dR-0005NP-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:54:53 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <71903392.3504465b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:43:21 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 3rd CD. Project Page Updated Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"OOwOw.A.Q4D.xaEB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4029 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:54:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 295ef6f07f5d2940645f885e1b5381b5 href="http://members.aol.com/anet/3rdcd.html" >The 3rd CD project page has been updated. Please stop by and take a listen. All comments are appreaciated. Regards; John Peters: 3rd CD Project. From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:11 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 12:15:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC8xB-00005m-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:15:17 -0800 From: TritoneDW Message-ID: <20187317.35044b5a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:04:39 EST To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The future of looping, etc. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"H7mbKC.A.1aG.8uEB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4030 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:15:17 -0800 X-UIDL: af32b74f752b5164ae211cec793f1739 <> Yes, I've heard his stuff--didn't really care for it (hope this doesn't give offense). His approach seems more like written improvisation--like he played something, then went back and wrote it down. I could be way off base here. The other thing his work seemed lacking was any sense of polyphony, which I am quite interested in, compositionally. Does he have anything other than that CD out? Drew Wheeler From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:18 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 12:30:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC9Bu-0001gC-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:30:30 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD4B54.51E155A0.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: a woman's ears Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:10:10 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YJeO4C.A.zCH.J0EB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4031 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:30:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 018a25deada4f76783fdc1ac8a3de6f4 Kim illumined: >Just so's you know.....As I understand the physiological issue, it's >not volume or high frequencies that cause the discomfort in women. >It's particular types of non-harmonic distortion in the audio system, >which will tend to be worse at higher volume. I've seen several >discussions of this in audio engineering journals, usually under the >context of how to get a wider customer base for audio products. Hmmm. This is really interesting. What are these types of n-h distortion called? (So I can find out more about this.) Also, a question comes to mind regarding human sensitivity in detecting distortion. Assuming we're talking about musicians or people with well-trained, discriminating hearing: is there inharmonic distortion occurring below the range of conscious perception that affects us negatively before we actually are aware of hearing it? Might I start feeling uncomfortable before I am able to consciously identify this type of distortion, even if I was somehow miraculously blessed with a superbly sophisticated ear? (My question comes in part from reading about phase distortion in amplifiers or equalizers. My text source tells me the associated slight reduction of response is generally not noticeable. Does it, however, have any measurable effect on the listener, even when not audibly perceived?) I'm also curious about lab standards by which something as subjective as perception is meaningfully quantified. Can anyone recommend a good source for info on that one? >These inharmonic distortions add frequency components to the >sound in a particular way that women tend to have a negative >reaction to while men typically don't notice. Sarajane's post mentioned differences in inner ear structure between genders. Is that the mechanism in this case? >It is very common with cheap home/audio stereos, cheap PA >systems, cheap music gear, etc. It also happens in more expensive >gear that isn't designed very well. As the volume is turned up on these >systems, the distortions start to happen, and women will start to find it >unpleasant for physiological reasons. On cleaner systems that don't >generate these distortions, the discomfort doesn't happen. [snip] On a few occasions, the systems were pretty clean, high end. On the other hand, as I recall, I wasn't necessarily the only one suffering; some of the boyz were also getting blasted. Which probably just means that those of us copping to pain weren't trying to be as macho, we hadn't already toasted our eardrums, or we simply weren't as hell-bent on vaporizing ourselves out of existence... Maybe it's just a difference in individual thresholds. I've run across a very few musicians who consistently choose to play at *significantly* higher volumes than most (regardless of gender), yet have no detectable hearing loss after years and years of totally cranking their systems, and practically stuffing 10 inch speakers in their ears. (They also manage to drive everybody else on stage totally nuts!) -- And hey, talk about incompatibilities in a relationship... ;-) Anyway, thanks for the clarification, Kim. Very useful info. laurie >From lists@slip.net Mon Mar 09 12:30:47 1998 From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:22 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 12:41:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC9M6-0002zU-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:41:02 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <6ee9f8b1.3504502f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:25:17 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Correct Link to 3rd CD project Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"aF2T1.A.2TB.yCFB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4033 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:41:02 -0800 X-UIDL: c2e36d1608213fe8afe51ac8e4ccb3ab Working on getting things right in the computer industry can be frustrating, here's the correct URL. 3rd CD Project Page has been Updated Any comments will be greatly appreaciated and reviewed. If you would like to have you music showcased on this page apart from the project send us your URL. The only requriement is that you use a looping device of some sort. Regards; John Peters (3rd CD project) From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:59 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 17:41:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCE2h-0004aH-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:41:19 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E2010@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Composition vs. Improvisation Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:47:44 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"qFb38B.A.YKD.5gJB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4058 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:41:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 696d61de64ebad0e83fc20b1741ed10d > Yes, I've heard his stuff--didn't really care for it (hope this > doesn't give > offense). His approach seems more like written improvisation--like he > played > something, then went back and wrote it down. I could be way off base > here. The > other thing his work seemed lacking was any sense of polyphony, which > I am > quite interested in, compositionally. Does he have anything other than > that CD > out? > > Drew Wheeler > > Ya know this brings up an interesting point (well at least to me): It seems that many forget that Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Liszt, etc. were all great improvisors in their own right. I think that, if one listens to their music(s), one can really hear that many of their works are worked-out and "polished" improvs. If you further look at how much of their music sounds as if it is Piano-based, I think that this really becomes quickly apparent. Contrast this with someone like Berlioz (guitarist) or Bruckner (organist), and I think that it becomes even more so. On to Harry Partch (?) . . . and possibly Messain, who is reputed to have been a great organist-I don't know if he was an improvisor (it wouldn't suprise me) . . . etc. It seems to me that only in the 20th Century have we had this sort of looking down one's nose (at least from the conservatory folk) towards improvisation, at least insofar as contemporary composers of the say '20s through the '70s (I'm sort of feeling this timeframe out). At least the composition faculty where I was at University treated it this way . . . I think that this stems from the quest for GREATER CONTROL by composers after Schoenberg/Berg/Webern and the moving onto people like P. Boulez (not necessarliy a slam, mind you). A composer friend of mine is a pretty damn good pianist (and good composer too-studied at Julliard with heaywieghts, etc.). I told him that my method for through-composed music was that I plunked stuff out (badly) on the Piano wrote it out on manuscript paper, fed it into a computer program, listened back, made alterations and modifications, ad nauseum. I told him that I was somewhat embarassed by this method. His reply, "Who cares if the end result is good?" (MY jury still out in that one . . . ) This same guy got a lot of grief from the above faculty members about doing Piano music when I first met him. If that's what he feels, who cares? How about people like Anthony Braxton who write large composed structures for improvising ensmebles? I don't know the music in question-so no offense taken there-just reacting to a reasoning. stig From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:24 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 13:14:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC9sE-0006kX-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:14:14 -0800 Message-ID: <35045A04.6853@erols.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 16:07:16 -0500 From: Michael Preston Reply-To: michpres@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ECM (was Frisell/torn) References: <0009FB1B.----@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oZ0r_B.A.OEF.alFB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4034 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:14:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 40cd78e52106e784843e1303bcf01695 Miko wrote: >The vinyl I have is called "Bass Desires" and I believe it is Marc >Johnson and ??? (someone help me here.) It is Marc Johnson on bass, Jack DeJohnette on drums (???), John Scofield and Bill Frisell on guitars. (I thinks that's it.) >Frisell's playing on this record is *very* electric >on this album. Although it isn't necessarily more distorted / fed back >/ oragitated... It just seems that the chemistry is electric. This is >Frissell before he had his Klein. He was playing his SG on this one. My favorite tune on Bass Desires is "Samurai Heehaw." Did any of you Frisell fans catch the half hour animated Far Side cartoon on network TV a few years back? Mr. Frisell did the score for that one. There was almost no dialog: just some very sensitive accompaniment to Gary Larsen's creation. Some loops in that one, too. Michael From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:25 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 13:15:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yC9tK-0006u2-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:15:22 -0800 Message-ID: <35045A92.9C750E5@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 16:09:38 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cheeseheads/open letter to Torn (was: "I don't think she'svery nice" References: <7cc3a231.3503e902@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b2vZG.A.HNF.YmFB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4035 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:15:22 -0800 X-UIDL: d41b57f33701250010a3222114147053 My house?really if you come we can find a place to play that you won,t have to pay them to let you play.But not the big bucks that you make.(humor I love you man) Jeff Duke http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index.html Texture444 wrote: > well: > where exactly d'ya think i should play, in yer town? > best, > dt From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:57 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 17:15:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCDdf-0000xA-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:15:27 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E2013@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: open letter to Torn Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:09:52 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"TjUgdD.A.F3G.4GJB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4056 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:15:27 -0800 X-UIDL: a1e8fd2e04373e1f205ac3540e565ef4 Unfortunately, I've been at a club were Eugene made $300 one night, and six months later, he barely made $50 (I know, I paid him-and he got ALL the money that night, couldn't even pay the guy who lent him an amp). Luckily for him, he did real well in SF the night before, but I don't think that it really paid for his airflight . . . But perhaps this is only in LA. Dave's got kids right? That doesn't seem so promisng to me . . . > Just like Eugene Chadbourne...that would be cool!!!! > -Rich > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:32 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 14:03:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCAdQ-0005iC-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:03:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:24:26 -0800 Message-ID: <0009FF7E.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: ECM (was Frisell/torn) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Michael Preston Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"k6Cf1.A.ZuD.aQGB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4040 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:03:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 56470f8389328ebc965e7d14a2ca55a6 Michael Preston wrote: Did any of you Frisell fans catch the half hour animated Far Side cartoon on network TV a few years back? Mr. Frisell did the score for that one. There was almost no dialog: just some very sensitive accompaniment to Gary Larsen's creation. Some loops in that one, too. I'd love to know where I can get a copy of that special! I've heard others talk of it. loopotomized... -miko From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:29 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 13:37:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCAED-000257-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:36:57 -0800 Message-ID: <35045EF9.30BCF5C8@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 16:28:25 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Kirkdorffer CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Future loop music -- What will it sound like & Where will it come from? References: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F5A0@mail.exapps.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"baEhqB.A.nV.L4FB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4037 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:36:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 7b7660fb75d7d9e7041a22e4dbc84c08 That is a thought and it does seem to be happening.For looping the techno,electronica movement seems to be the all around catch all for some type of growing...something. As John Lennon said*life is what happens when you busy making other plans*so whatever comes out will for sure be different than anything that I could think of. Jeff David Kirkdorffer wrote: > What if there is a galvanizing "wave" > or "movement" or "scene"? > > An example of this idea would be "Electronica." Certainly it's a new > phenomenon to see such popular music selling so well with so few > recognizable names. Here we have a style that seems to have emerged without > a "leading-light" of star talent, but rather a wave / style / movement of > folks all kicking around a bunch of related ideas. > > > > To which I received > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Duke [SMTP:jmar@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Friday, March 06, 1998 6:05 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Cc: 'Kim Flint' > Subject: Re: Future loop music -- what will it sound like? > > > Where is the next Jimi? > Jeff > David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > Gosh. I tried asking this to a few forums (including L-Delight) a > month or > > two ago. The best answer I got was from a philosopher friend. > > > > She pointed out the question of the day we're all facing is this: > What is > > the desirable role / place for technology? So, my speculation is > one key > > feature we'll find in all our "innovators of tomorrow" will be > "surprises" > > in the way they address using technology. > > > > David Kirkdorffer > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@chromatic.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 4:48 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Future loop music (was: Love lorne > whiners) > > > > Where is loop based music going? What directions will it > be taking > > in the > > future? Not the gear, but the music itself! What > compositional, > > improvisational, cultural, etc. directions are things > heading in? > > > > > > kim > > ________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > > Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:32 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 13:51:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCASA-00047E-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:51:22 -0800 Message-ID: <001001bd4ba4$0f25d7e0$8d22dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Did someone say "Atlanta"? Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:41:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"6b_8DC.A.YsC.IJGB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4038 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:51:22 -0800 X-UIDL: a6d63e069d34eedf8652529fff09678c Richard Menger advised: >The Variety Playhouse is Atlanta would be very cool...or Maybe CenterStage....The Fox Theatre would rule...but it's probably too big..The masquerade would probably be a good place as well...;-) I'd inquired some time back regarding HotL, in the spirit that, during a visit out that way, I'd like to get together and play... However, what about this? If there was a way for the burgeoning Arts community in Atlanta/surroundings to get a group-oriented show going, I'd be more than pleased to fly out and participate! Any thoughts folks? Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:48 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 16:52:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCDHp-0005ew-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:52:53 -0800 Message-ID: <35046449.7D7A6818@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 16:51:06 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cheeseheads/open letter to Torn (was: "I don't think she'svery nice" References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J3p31D.A.spD.avIB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4053 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:52:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 403e01c63a88fc7631be21a12566009f Good point,we'll get him here yet!I'm in Conyers outside of Atlanta by the way. Jeff Richard Menger wrote: > >well: > >where exactly d'ya think i should play, in yer town? > >best, > >dt > > The Variety Playhouse is Atlanta would be very cool...or Maybe CenterStage....The Fox Theatre would rule...but it's probably too big..The masquerade would probably be a good place as well...;-) > > -Rich From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 09:58:39 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 02:49:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCMao-0001HB-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 02:49:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199803101045.EAA24525@mail.tds.net> From: "Bruce Gerow" To: Subject: Re: VORTEX Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:51:28 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ntGYPD.A.ot.0mRB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4082 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 02:49:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 09989eb3a71dc5daef4ab03fe390b4c5 Tom, Yes and no.Yes, you can hear the noise modulating with the chorus.However you can hear this to some degreee on a properly operating vortex.This same noise is excessive on this unit.No, I don't hear crackling when I adjust the input knob.That is usually indicative of dust in the control pot. Hope this helps, LooseBruce ---------- > From: Woehni > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: SV: VORTEX > Date: Monday, March 09, 1998 8:10 PM > > > > >Hi Loopers, > > I ran into a Vortex at a local music store (ouch)for only $150.The problem > >is that it is noisy and the led's flicker a little when you turn the > >register knobs.I've used Vortexs before and I know they are not this > >noisy.Does anyone have any ideas if it would be worthwhile to try and fix > >it or have it repaired?The footswitches were not included.Any info would be > >appreciated. > > Thanks, > > LooseBruce > >The noise is like transistor amp noise (shshsh) and you can hear the > >chorusing for example. > > > Hi , this had me thinking. Can you hear the noise modulating with the phaser/chorus? > Does the unit emit high cracles when you turn the input knob? > Mine does all of these things , but I tought it was just the way it came from the factory?? > > yours , troubled and worried , Thomas > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:48 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 16:43:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCD8p-0004Pd-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:43:35 -0800 Message-ID: <35046807.F984A867@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 17:07:04 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Stephen P. Goodman" CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Did someone say "Atlanta"? References: <001001bd4ba4$0f25d7e0$8d22dacf@earthlight> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j5a0-B.A._tC.poIB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4052 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:43:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 0bdf0c4471b1703426e6cd4d0eb25ec4 I have gotten some great response to a Looping show here in the spring,no details but if your interested at all we would love to have you.Big bar-B-Q on the river after the show! Jeff Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > Richard Menger advised: > > >The Variety Playhouse is Atlanta would be very cool...or Maybe > CenterStage....The Fox Theatre would rule...but it's probably too big..The > masquerade would probably be a good place as well...;-) > > I'd inquired some time back regarding HotL, in the spirit that, during a > visit out that way, I'd like to get together and play... > > However, what about this? If there was a way for the burgeoning Arts > community in Atlanta/surroundings to get a group-oriented show going, I'd be > more than pleased to fly out and participate! Any thoughts folks? > > Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! > EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:36 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 14:41:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCBEe-0003C5-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:41:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:25:28 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: Decent inexpensive reverbs? ... In-Reply-To: <199803091302_MC2-3619-32B2@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KZN9L.A.DgB.k1GB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4043 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:41:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 3ac6901bad1e74d7f202448b0223ce73 On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Michael Peters wrote: > does anyone know if there is a decent not too expensive reverb which needs > only half a rack space? It would be really nice to have something that fits > beside my SE-70 which is just half a rack space. Alesis Nanoverb. Never tried it, but it's a half-space unit. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti The Dark Aether Project: http://www.ari.net/prog/bands/dap/ From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:48:11 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 19:10:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCFQT-0007kk-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:09:57 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E201D@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: ECM (was Frisell/torn) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:31:28 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"xteuXC.A.t4G.-4KB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4065 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:09:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 2de7bd474b2d464392c2fbc290ca23a4 > I hear Larson is something of a guitarist > himself - now imagine what loops HE'd come out with!!! Scary thought! > I've heard that they're pals and hang together in Seattle (?). Now imagine if they jam together! From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:41 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 15:21:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCBrb-0001FA-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:21:43 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:55:53 -0800 Message-ID: <000A00D0.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[4]: ECM (was Frisell/torn) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "Michael P. Hughes; Ph.D." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"DGHGF.A.z9G.nbHB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4045 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:21:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 45b638b34c4fce1f0549f14210b26bd2 Michael Biffle wrote: >Michael Preston wrote: Then Michael Hughes finally wrote: PS It seems you don't have to be called Michael to loop, but it helps! I'm now officially Miko, but you can call me Mike... From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:43 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 16:04:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCCXH-0006t9-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:04:47 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:56:31 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: From a new guy with lots of dumb questions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"4DFvS.A.ckF.3HIB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4047 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:04:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 30eb9da40d79f86da3badcacae8bff4d At 11:28 PM 3/6/98 -0800, you wrote: <<1.) It seems that most of us are guitar players (as I am, though I'm slowly making the transition to the Stick). Is anyone experimenting with looped vocals, percussion, etc.? >> The percussionist I work with (in duo and in the trio "Adelante") wears one of those little headset mikes with which he'll loop choral type chants in along with my usual loopage. He's also able to capture bits and pieces, by posioning, of percussion to add to loops. He does his loopage with various pedals, the main one being a Digitech pds8000. - Paul From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:44 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 16:12:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCCf8-0000EW-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:12:54 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: a woman's ears Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:59:06 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4bb7$5817e020$5e414382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"k8C1wC.A.VBG.aLIB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4048 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:12:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 79acb029d4b881a3c09703098aa65b5d >Okay, so the obvious question is: what frequencies should I concentrate on >so women will find me irresistable? Ask Kenny G. From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:48:23 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 21:43:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCHop-0006gJ-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:43:15 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: "Mike Biffle" , Subject: SV: ECM (was Frisell/torn) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:14:13 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4bb9$74b39100$5e414382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"7NBosB.A.ToF.BHNB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4071 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:43:15 -0800 X-UIDL: af976219ed54a068976dd212bd91f1cf > >"Unsung Heroes" is really one of my all time favorites! So simple and elegant, >yet complex at the same time. Bill's improv is so lyrical. I learned it and >programmed the 'head' into my sequencer and had a great time improvising to it. >I really learned a lot with that one. That's my favorite Frisell release as >well. Hi Miko , A while back I bought an Issue of "how to play guitar" (from Guitar Player) because it had a Bill Frisell lesson. Here Frisell and interviewer focused some of it on "Unsung Heroes". Mr. Frisell said some pretty intensely theroetical things to say on that tune. If you like I can send you(privately) a rough transcript on what he said on "Unsung Heroes" ( "our song".) I`ll leave you all with a quote from the master, about formal education: "It`s only the players` fault if they let themselves be programmed by the routines these places establish. There are all kinds of things you can do with the "rules" that a school might give you. For example , in harmony classes at Berklee , they`d have "avoid notes" , notes you weren`t supposed to use over a particular chord. Naturally , those were the first ones I`d check out." Yours truly and warmely , Thomas W From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:47 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 16:34:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCD0C-0003BM-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:34:40 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:22:18 -0800 Message-ID: <000A01EF.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: ECM (was Frisell/torn) and now Scofield To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , "Liebig; Steuart A." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"DIZ3VB.A.NxB.uhIB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4051 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:34:40 -0800 X-UIDL: cc3f7edd857c37f420fe15b40634262e > The vinyl I have is called "Bass Desires" and I believe it is Marc > Johnson and (someone help me here.) Frisell's playing on this record is *very* > electric on this album. Although it isn't necessarily more distorted / fed >back / or agitated... It just seems that the chemistry is electric. This is > Frissell before he had his Klein. He was playing his SG on this one. > -miko Steuart wrote: Marc Johnson, Bill Frisell, John Scofield, Peter Erskine . . . in other words, a bunch of real slackers. Yeah... what a bunch of hacks! Without a vocalist they're all going nowhere! Don't they teach people that at Berkeley? 8-> Speaking of Scofield... Does anyone else wonder where all that sideways stuff he did with Miles on Decoy went? -Miko From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:46 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 16:33:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCCzA-00032C-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:33:36 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: Setup Time for Loop Rig Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:22:33 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4bba$9ebf9d80$5e414382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"huzul.A.yrB.IhIB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4050 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:33:36 -0800 X-UIDL: b33554402be21f165f7964561cd5383f >* Book a lot of gigs. Practice is the best way to learn to quickly >setup/teardown. I can`t quite describe WHY , but this tip had me laughing on the floor. All due respect to you Trevor , I`m not making fun of you. But there is some paradoxal irony to this that I`m not man enough to put my finger on. It is a great list , thank you for sharing. Yours , humbly and companion-like , Thomas W From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:50 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 17:08:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCDWP-0007ik-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:07:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:34:40 -0800 Message-ID: <000A0216.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: SV: ECM (was Frisell/torn) To: , "Woehni" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"Qkwsx.A.5RG.kCJB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4055 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:07:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 39d497ee70715ced75293aa31ec6cd83 Miko wrote... >"Unsung Heroes" is really one of my all time favorites! So simple and elegant, >yet complex at the same time. Bill's improv is so lyrical. I learned it and >programmed the 'head' into my sequencer and had a great time improvising to it. >I really learned a lot with that one. That's my favorite Frisell release as >well. Hi Miko , A while back I bought an Issue of "how to play guitar" (from Guitar Player) because it had a Bill Frisell lesson. Here Frisell and interviewer focused some of it on "Unsung Heroes". Mr. Frisell said some pretty intensely theroetical things to say on that tune. If you like I can send you(privately) a rough transcript on what he said on "Unsung Heroes" ( "our song".) I`ll leave you all with a quote from the master, about formal education: "It`s only the players` fault if they let themselves be programmed by the routines these places establish. There are all kinds of things you can do with the "rules" that a school might give you. For example , in harmony classes at Berklee , they`d have "avoid notes" , notes you weren`t supposed to use over a particular chord. Naturally , those were the first ones I`d check out." Yours truly and warmely , Thomas W Thanks Thom... This sounds like a great interview. If it's not a bother, I'd love to see it. Thanks. I like what Bill has to say about his educational experience. I know a few who have come through the Berklee experience, and despite some of the comments, it sounds like an amazing experience. And it's a four year college as well. That's a nice amount of time to spend really wringing out the wrinkles! At 44 I doubt I'll make it there. (But I am attending a tunings workshop with Martin Simpson this friday night!) Kind Regards, -Miko From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 23:20:24 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 23:08:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCJ92-0005Mx-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:08:12 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: Getting LooPGigs Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:45:15 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4bbd$ca8ecbe0$5e414382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"H93bLC.A.ziE.aXOB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4074 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:08:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 329171fe25c2f6a1ae4bae3b132ccfdd Hi everbody! I`m impressed by all your gigging activity. More precisely: I`m green with envy >from reding all the posts on what you have done with looping. Mutimedia projects , Solo loopconcerts , duos that use looping, compositions with looping....and so on..... I am happy for all of you , and thankful that you are out there , bringing looping to the masses. My question is this: How in the H.. do you get the gigs?? How do approach the venues? I can`t picture myself telling them " I play guitar into a recorder and build clouds of sound , wich I then play over." and actually get a gig. I`d love a thread on this , and ANY help you can give will be greatly appreciated. Yours , respectfullly and befuddled , Thomas W BTW , I live in Oslo , Norway.........("the Astoria up in Cleveland is auditioning right now") From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 23:20:23 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 23:08:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCJ90-0005Mn-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:08:10 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: Re: From a new guy with lots of dumb questions Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:49:45 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4bbe$6b6e44a0$5e414382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"0H4BfB.A._gE.PXOB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4073 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:08:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 8467978a70e679dd9dbe7a64f7b1ef26 >The percussionist I work with (in duo and in the trio "Adelante") wears one of >those little headset mikes with which he'll loop choral type chants in along >with my usual loopage. He's also able to capture bits and pieces, by >posioning, of percussion to add to loops. He does his loopage with various >pedals, the main one being a Digitech pds8000. - Paul I`ve been considering those small headset mikes. Again I must ask for Brands and names of what mikes that are considered high quality for the price. What mike is your perc. using? Hope you can give some help on this. Thanks , Thomas W From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:48:22 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 21:38:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCHjj-0005yc-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:37:59 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: , "Michael Preston" Subject: SV: Re[2]: ECM (was Frisell/torn) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:57:05 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4bbf$71a94f80$5e414382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Q8nVMD.A.MPF.6DNB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4070 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:37:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 49d56c202d335c505e33c3d39479bc88 >Michael Preston wrote: >Did any of you Frisell fans catch the half hour animated Far Side cartoon on >network TV a few years back? Mr. Frisell did the score for that one. There was >almost no dialog: just some very sensitive accompaniment to Gary Larsen's >creation. Some loops in that one, too. > >I'd love to know where I can get a copy of that special! I've heard others talk >of it. > >loopotomized... >-miko I shure this is common knowledge , but Frisell released some of the music for that cartoon on the first disc by his new band. "quartet" is the name of the cd , and with him he`s got a trumpet , a trombone and a violinist (who also plays tuba!) check it out , Thomas W From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:59 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 17:23:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCDlP-00027h-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:23:27 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: VORTEX Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 02:10:56 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4bc1$613868a0$5e414382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"MJx5BC.A.Xm.rOJB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4057 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:23:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 4a171ed2f7fda9c508e5db409714d5d9 >Hi Loopers, > I ran into a Vortex at a local music store (ouch)for only $150.The problem >is that it is noisy and the led's flicker a little when you turn the >register knobs.I've used Vortexs before and I know they are not this >noisy.Does anyone have any ideas if it would be worthwhile to try and fix >it or have it repaired?The footswitches were not included.Any info would be >appreciated. > Thanks, > LooseBruce >The noise is like transistor amp noise (shshsh) and you can hear the >chorusing for example. > Hi , this had me thinking. Can you hear the noise modulating with the phaser/chorus? Does the unit emit high cracles when you turn the input knob? Mine does all of these things , but I tought it was just the way it came from the factory?? yours , troubled and worried , Thomas From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:48:00 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 17:43:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCE4a-0004qw-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:43:16 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:31:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: ECM (was Frisell/torn) Resent-Message-ID: <"Nlk0LC.A.ERD.ohJB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4060 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:43:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 58201668aa629e9eb6afbdf26e42bd0f >Thom: >Power Tools? I have heard mention of that before , but I have no idea what it >is. ne1?? > Power Tools is a trio consisting of Frisell, Melvin Gibbs on bass and Ronald Shannon Jackson on drums. A very successful "fusion" of Jacksons harmolodic funk concept with Frisell. They did one record in about 1987 on Antilles which is VERY nice. Pete Cosey eventually replaced Frisell, but that line up never recorded. I have a live radio broadcast of the Tools with Cosey, and, frankly, it just isn't that great, though I generally really like Jackson's stuff (Decoding Society, Last Exit) >I know this was discussed recently, but I couldn't find the post. > >The vinyl I have is called "Bass Desires" and I believe it is Marc Johnson and >??? (someone help me here.) Frisell's playing on this record is *very* >electric >on this album. Although it isn't necessarily more distorted / fed back / or >agitated... It just seems that the chemistry is electric. This is Frissell >before he had his Klein. He was playing his SG on this one. > It's Mark Johnson's Bass Desires, Johnson on bass, Frisell and John Scofield on guitars and (I think, too lazy to check the liner notes) Peter Erskine on drums. This record blew my mind when I first heard it in when it came out in the mid-80's, Frisell and Scofield sound excellent together, though I normally am not so into Scofield. It has been issued on CD, though I do not know if it's still in print, the ECM back catalog seems to drift in and out of availablility. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:48:01 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 17:43:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCE4c-0004rJ-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:43:18 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:31:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Decent inexpensive reverbs? ... Resent-Message-ID: <"RwIwv.A.yQD.mhJB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4059 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:43:18 -0800 X-UIDL: b4ed29756b06d42321f9a2d9c27f0f22 >does anyone know if there is a decent not too expensive reverb which needs >only half a rack space? It would be really nice to have something that fits >beside my SE-70 which is just half a rack space. > >michael peters mpeters@compuserve.com >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters.htm The Lexicon LXP-1, though no longer being made, fits this nicely. I still think its one of the better sounding cheap reverbs, very warm and thick, and they turn up used pretty often in the $200 range. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:00:38 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 08:18:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCRjA-0000mb-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:18:04 -0800 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:35:07 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SV: VORTEX In-Reply-To: <01bd4bc1$613868a0$5e414382@pentium-200> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jR9cmB.A.xM.CbWB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4097 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:18:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 46f6a1a935495972d53961504ff9a10f On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Woehni wrote: > Hi , this had me thinking. Can you hear the noise modulating with the phaser/chorus? > Does the unit emit high cracles when you turn the input knob? > Mine does all of these things , but I tought it was just the way it came from the factory?? > > yours , troubled and worried , Thomas I can't tell you what the problem is, but I can tell you that's not how they come from the factory. :) Mine is noise free. --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:48:07 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 18:20:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCEeB-0001p9-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:20:03 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:08:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Setup Time for Loop Rig Resent-Message-ID: <"EHqG0D.A.uT.cDKB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4061 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:20:03 -0800 X-UIDL: d0d16a538ad381ffd178b73e53f275a5 >Travis reminded me of old ideas... > >>* Rack and fasten everything down. >>* Don't have loose, delicate crap (pedalboards without cases, >>footcontrollers rattling around loose, etc). Everything should be in a >>robust case WITH GOOD HANDLES. > >In order to tidy up my system, I've been considering putting together a >pedlaboard with the JamMan _on_the_floor_, rather than in its present >position on top of the amp. This would drastically cut down on trailing >wires, and would make it easier to use a vol-pedal to control loop o/p >volume. Since all my other FX are pedals, it seems to make sense. > >Is this as bad an idea as it seems to be at first glance? Would it be OK >if it were well protected? Is the very thought of it enough to drive Bob >S. mad? > >Michael Hmmm, I've actually been thinking about something similar, a shallow 3 space rack case angled slightly upwards built into a pedalboard, holding the JamMan, Peavey filter box and maybe another rack box. Most of the rest of my effects are stomp boxes, and it'd be nice to build something that I could plug the bass into one end, the amp at the other, and be done with it. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:48:08 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 18:24:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCEiC-0002PM-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:24:12 -0800 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:08:35 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: A number of recent topics Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803092109_MC2-3624-2389@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"bXanY.A.df.oEKB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4063 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:24:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 0f3aeddc1a89a6758fb8bf051bb646ca Ken wrote: > I have twin girls (age 3 in April) that like to dance to the Ives Holiday >Symphony, Peter Gabriel's Passion and Miles' Jack Johnson, so maybe I'm doing >my part in sending a few more weird chicks out into the world:-). Hey Ken, I have a 5-year old daughter and when she and I are in a good mood, we sometimes do looping sessions together. You can probably guess what her favorite sounds are (think bathroom). Once she gets started she won't stop. Some of this can get pretty silly - and then I regret having suggested the idea. She hasn't learned how to use the tap function yet ;-) but I'm sure she'll figure that out sometime. Anyways, here's to weird chicks in the making - why is it that so many musician friends of mine have daughters? Any genetic theories out there? Was the music I exposed her mother to? Probably that Bitches Brew CD ... ;-) P.S: Hope not to annoy you non-parental types with this gushy stuff - and cherish your freedom! 8-) Rob From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:48:08 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 18:23:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCEha-0002Jt-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:23:34 -0800 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:08:37 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: ECM (was Frisell/torn) Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803092109_MC2-3624-238A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"4RKxXC.A.Id.ZEKB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4062 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:23:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 4f8522afe1541742e2fc416d8a74a476 Miko wrote: >The vinyl I have is called "Bass Desires" and I believe it is Marc Johnson and ??? (someone help me here.)< I think that was Peter Erskine ... P.S. Anyone heard the new release from Marc Johnson with Joey Baron (prefer him to Erskine any day!) and Mr. P.M.? I'm a bit tentative these days about all of this guitar duo stuff - the P.M./Scofield album was a bit too "nice" for my tastes ... Mr. Frisell is also tending to be rather "rurally-oriented" (Americana) these days (no offense to country folk - half of my family are farmers in Canada)... Rob in Bear-Lynn From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:48:09 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 18:24:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCEiL-0002Qh-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:24:21 -0800 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:08:40 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: electronica double standard? Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803092109_MC2-3624-238C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"kSHkq.A.Bk.FFKB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4064 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:24:21 -0800 X-UIDL: dcb05f91d83c5a5c66fb22743d177b4a Daniel wrote: >Does anyone think electronica is just a silly marketing ploy< Just do whatcha do and resist all labels - you are a "loopologist" though - no getting around that one. Alternative strategy: Assume a new moniker for your current style every three months or less. Rob-in-dropping ;-) From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:48:12 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 19:14:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCFUo-0000XP-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:14:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3504B027.7DDACECF@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 22:14:47 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: A number of recent topics References: <199803092109_MC2-3624-2389@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ku8RYB.A.8C.u8KB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4066 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:14:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 4ff59a4911c3b4210967423c0df4b0d9 Hey ya'll, Well My kids are a son 22 a daughter 27 and a son 28 and a 4 yr. old granddaughter.Cherish your freedom ,but it pays off in spades when the work is done and they magicly become ,well real adult people.It's the ultimate loop cycle. Jeff R & T Cummings wrote: > Ken wrote: > > I have twin girls (age 3 in April) that like to dance to the Ives Holiday > >Symphony, Peter Gabriel's Passion and Miles' Jack Johnson, so maybe I'm > doing > >my part in sending a few more weird chicks out into the world:-). > > Hey Ken, I have a 5-year old daughter and when she and I are in a good > mood, we sometimes do looping sessions together. You can probably guess > what her favorite sounds are (think bathroom). Once she gets started she > won't stop. Some of this can get pretty silly - and then I regret having > suggested the idea. She hasn't learned how to use the tap function yet ;-) > but I'm sure she'll figure that out sometime. > > Anyways, here's to weird chicks in the making - why is it that so many > musician friends of mine have daughters? Any genetic theories out there? > Was the music I exposed her mother to? Probably that Bitches Brew CD ... > ;-) > > P.S: Hope not to annoy you non-parental types with this gushy stuff - and > cherish your freedom! 8-) > > Rob From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:48:12 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 19:24:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCFeS-0001oC-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:24:24 -0800 Message-ID: <3504B251.C54BF27E@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 22:24:02 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ECM (was Frisell/torn) References: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E201D@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wd8zLC.A.fJB.oFLB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4067 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:24:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 42d91a068cbecd12a6281fe16b84742f I hate dream stories,but I just had a nap and a doozy.It was Frissel and DT jamming with Gary Larson,well for some reason I was on stage with them and they said,you can play that,and it was some huge and demented stringed thing.I wondered if it was in tune and then I woke up.Talk about scary. JD Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > > I hear Larson is something of a guitarist > > himself - now imagine what loops HE'd come out with!!! Scary thought! > > > I've heard that they're pals and hang together in Seattle (?). Now > imagine if they jam together! From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:48:16 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 20:28:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCGeR-0007ax-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:28:27 -0800 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: <86f82d6d.3504c048@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:23:34 EST To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Michael Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"IhVZOC.A.rqG.NCMB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4068 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:28:27 -0800 X-UIDL: da50612e4a38de5272466177df16303f whats up with all of these michaels? just wondering! michael From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:48:19 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 20:42:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCGrd-00019e-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:42:05 -0800 Message-ID: <19980310043638.26422.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:36:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: The future of looping, etc. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"LuKHC.A.4w.2PMB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4069 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:42:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 3d9d98e1bc3d4fdb7c9ec5ccf847e93a 93 ---TritoneDW wrote: > using loops as a compositional > tool, rather than an improvisational one. > > I'm writing "contemporary classical" music (for lack of a better > term--everyone gets upset when you use the more accepted term "serious music") > for solo electric guitar right now, and the looper opens up certain intiguing > possibilities for the composer. For example, you can have stacked structures > much larger than usually available with four fingers and six strings (fifths > stacked over 3 or 4 octaves for example). I use my JamMan all the time as a compositional tool for all styles of music, including but not limited to: jazz, pop, "contemporary classical", ambient, etc. etc. etc. I also use my sampler and sequencer for more complicated parts that I need to step-time, but I find myself going to the looper more often as my keyboard chops are simply abysmal ;-) I also use it as a quick check on my improv soloing chops. A lot quicker and less clumsy than a tape player. 93 Rev. Doubt-GOat _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:48:23 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 22:19:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCIOD-0001od-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:19:49 -0800 From: Texture444 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:15:40 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: SV: Am I beeing ignored? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"nYV22D.A.fXB.TrNB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4072 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:19:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 14ba0352024f0721d7c1c6ef67bade59 hey, yo! In a message dated 3/9/98 1:05:11 PM, you mentioned: >Frisell/Torn project bill & i talked about this, many many years ago: a quartet w/sly dunbar & robbie shakespeare: but, we never got to it. however: we're sorta playing together on a pop record by singer douglas september, coming out pretty soon on samson records. (bill played guitar, and i just did some 'textural'-stylie loops). best, dt From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 23:20:25 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 23:15:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCJFh-0006Fl-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:15:05 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980310011116.0069d3ec@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:11:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: a woman's ears In-Reply-To: <199803091621.JAA03689@hyper.dimensional.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"b6c90C.A.8PF.IdOB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4075 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:15:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 5e988fd6468b5db08d20d8177681de88 > >Okay, so the obvious question is: what frequencies should I concentrate on >so women will find me irresistable? Wow looping for societal aggrandisement, a last. From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 23:20:26 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 23:18:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCJIe-0006dS-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:18:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980310011430.0069b5f8@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:14:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: electronica double standard? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iKkXsB.A.RqF.QgOB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4076 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:18:08 -0800 X-UIDL: ef1b17c084aff0d3760b664bc6f12bbd At 11:47 AM 09-03-98 +0200, you wrote: >what in the hell is electronica-is it pop but not heavily guitar based? >I know the term popped up around the time Chemical bros last lp was released. >I have been in to Jungle, Drum and Bass, Techno, acid house, detroit electro, >goa, for several years and people were into it far before me and guess what > people who listen to this kind of music have heard the hell out of >Funky drummer and Amen as well as many other highly abused patterns >these do recieve heavy criticism > Does anyone think electronica is just a silly marketing ploy > >daniel > As a DJ, I'm unfortunately speaking out more than I should and will ask, what have you heard of the GOA scene that you think hold merit? From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:34 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 14:22:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCAvh-0000Wf-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:21:53 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980309232602.1faf1728@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 23:26:02 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Who is Robin Williamson? In-Reply-To: <199803091701.MAA25710@user1.channel1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IA011B.A.QwG.NmGB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4041 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:21:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 0acb4a52d73aa66620f5929fe4cd6e18 At 12:01 PM 3/9/98 -0500, you (Frank Gerace) wrote: >At 02:21 PM 3/8/98, you (Michael Pycraft-Hughes) wrote: > >>> sure you don't mean Robin Williamson???;-) >> >>I'm pretty sure... who's Robin Williamson? >> > Robin Williamson is a Scot (from Glasgow, I believe) who in the 60s >was part of the Incredible String Band. Hey, guess what? I'm writing from Glasgow! > He did a great album >(not available on CD as far as I know) where he played all the instruments >(he plays over 35) called Music For The Mabinogion. (A collection of Welsh >Tales, originally from the oral bardic tradition, written down in the >1400s). Its great stuff if you can find it. Even more bizarre coincidence - I'm Welsh too! > He has done a great many recordings > since then of traditional harp music, using the wire strung harp, the nylon > harp and he's also one of the only people I've heard who uses "buzzers" one > his strings on some tunes. (Buzzers are a very old way of getting a sort of > sitar-like twang/buzz from your wire strung hard.). This sounds intriguing - my wife plays Clarsach (Scots folk harp). Could he be using the keys (which raise the pitch of the string one semitone) be used in the "halfway" position, just touching the strings, i wonder. Michael From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 02:45:29 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 23:30:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCJUG-0007aa-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:30:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980310012840.0069fc88@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:28:40 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: RE: electronica double standard? In-Reply-To: <01BD4B5B.4CA634F0@TD-300> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ihcFiD.A.C1G.YtOB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4077 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:30:08 -0800 X-UIDL: eb23a940888b2aa3285e0bbfa6ce1f44 >Nor is the emphasis on using someone elses moods to actualize your own groove - Its about how to effectively bend or adapt things - sounds or better yet fragments of something typically or atypically associative to your own perspective then letting go of it and letting it roll on its on steam. Most Critics and the public get off on that piece of the picture alone. > Uh, it depends upon the qualifications of said DJ, and what they are using. If you read my entire argument and undertand the context of it and do not decontextualize it in your field then you will understand my point, from my view. To some small degree as far as my functional controls and comprehension I set up cds, but from my point of view the mood is established through the music itself because unlike with records it is the cd itself which promotes a certain mood or vibe. The context in which I put it, it's entrances and exits, is another part of my creating an overall effect, but again as a hiphop DJ there is completely different set of rules. I do not maintain I am traditional or know what I am talking about but with respect to myself and those with aforementioned limited controls, I am accurate to 32 degrees. You say the music belongs to know one, then you to some degree refute yourself because simultaneously you are admitting it has it's own life, it's own vibe. I only contextualize it man. You have a logical question here to deal with. With regard to who a DJ is, I disagree, but I can see from a hiphop perspective where you see the DJ. For me, it is actually quite removed from the street, I do not scratch, I am something quite else. I hope that you understand my refutations, and I'm not really sure why I'm making them except to say that your view as well as mine are our own, and specific to our own experiences, I did suggest that music was from someone else's music, and actually I will maintain it, as for control of that vibe that is ours. "The bass dropped-- you knew you were here." Mjh From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:33 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 14:03:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCAdQ-0005i8-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:03:00 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980309233159.2137179c@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 23:31:59 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Setup Time for Loop Rig In-Reply-To: <199803091702.JAA02756@scv3.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Oc6t9B.A.XsD.MQGB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4039 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:03:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 723c10ca5faa3169c66676443e09f474 Travis reminded me of old ideas... >* Rack and fasten everything down. >* Don't have loose, delicate crap (pedalboards without cases, >footcontrollers rattling around loose, etc). Everything should be in a >robust case WITH GOOD HANDLES. In order to tidy up my system, I've been considering putting together a pedlaboard with the JamMan _on_the_floor_, rather than in its present position on top of the amp. This would drastically cut down on trailing wires, and would make it easier to use a vol-pedal to control loop o/p volume. Since all my other FX are pedals, it seems to make sense. Is this as bad an idea as it seems to be at first glance? Would it be OK if it were well protected? Is the very thought of it enough to drive Bob S. mad? Michael From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:35 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 14:25:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCAzG-00010h-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:25:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980309235735.213786a8@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 23:57:35 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Re[2]: ECM (was Frisell/torn) In-Reply-To: <0009FF7E.----@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"AJcssD.A.tCH.PoGB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4042 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:25:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 2f9f300bea9ea36a0ab8d4ebec38cb6c Michael Biffle wrote: >Michael Preston wrote: >>Did any of you Frisell fans catch the half hour animated Far Side cartoon on >>network TV a few years back? Mr. Frisell did the score for that one. There was >>almost no dialog: just some very sensitive accompaniment to Gary Larsen's >>creation. Some loops in that one, too. >I'd love to know where I can get a copy of that special! I've heard others talk >of it. I'm sure sections of the Far Side soundtrack appeared on the BF album before Nashville - was it Quartet? I think it was grouped as "music from the far side" or something. I hear Larson is something of a guitarist himself - now imagine what loops HE'd come out with!!! Scary thought! Michael Hughes PS It seems you don't have to be called Michael to loop, but it helps! From ???@??? Mon Mar 09 22:47:40 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 9 15:11:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCBhB-0007UH-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:10:57 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980310004510.2537407a@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:45:10 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Decent inexpensive reverbs? ... In-Reply-To: References: <199803091302_MC2-3619-32B2@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"BIY2HB.A.cAG.0UHB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4044 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:10:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 05080625d23784792dfe86dc6c334827 >> does anyone know if there is a decent not too expensive reverb which needs >> only half a rack space? It would be really nice to have something that fits >> beside my SE-70 which is just half a rack space. > >Alesis Nanoverb. Never tried it, but it's a half-space unit. Hey, it's a 1/3 space unit! So you get to squeeze something 1/6-space in too! Lessee.. 1/6 x 19" ... 3"! you could get a pedal in there! More seriously, I've got the Lex MPX100 webpage in front of me. It says tap tempo. It says 5.7 second delay.... are we looking at a $250, Midified Lexicon looper here?!?!? Let's just hope Bob remembered to let us increase the memory capability....! Michael From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 09:58:41 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 02:49:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCMb8-0001K5-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 02:49:26 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD4B54.51E155A0.lahatch@dnai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:52:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: a woman's ears Resent-Message-ID: <"xjXdbC.A.av.-mRB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4083 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 02:49:26 -0800 X-UIDL: ad0f2e07841724fb07b1b83b7faa4cdb At 12:10 PM -0800 3/9/98, Laurie Hatch wrote: >Kim illumined: >>Just so's you know.....As I understand the physiological issue, it's >not >volume or high frequencies that cause the discomfort in women. >It's >particular >types of non-harmonic distortion in the audio system, >which will tend to be >worse at higher volume. I've seen several >discussions of this in audio >engineering journals, usually under the >context of how to get a wider >customer >base for audio products. > >Hmmm. This is really interesting. What are these types of n-h distortion >called? (So I can find out more about this.) Well, now you done it. I was lookin' all smart and then you had to go and ask questions. since I'm not any expert by any means, I'll just point you to some places where you can become one. If you want to learn more, I would suggest popping over to your local university library and taking look at back issues of the Audio Engineering Society Journal, Journal of the Acoustical Society of America, and anything on psychoacoustics. I've got a pretty good book called "Thinking in Sound - the Cognitive Psychology of Human Audition" edited by Stephen McAdams and Emmanuel Bigand, Oxford Science Pulications. Also, "The Science of Musical Sound" by John R. Pierce, W.H. Freeman and Company. I'm not sure if either directly answers this question, but you will learn a lot about how you hear and how amazing your ears and brain are. Both of those come from David Wessel's course on psychoacoustics at UC Berkeley, taught in the lovely CNMAT facility. (I missed that class but bought the books.) You might want to sit in on some lectures and ask him directly, he'd probably know. Audio Amateur magazine often has interesting, if poorly researched, articles on the subject audio effects on hearing. Typically related to hobbyist amplifier design and how it can be made that much more subtly better by some strange circuit. Nice mag though. > Also, a question comes to mind >regarding human sensitivity in detecting distortion. Assuming we're talking >about musicians or people with well-trained, discriminating hearing: is there >inharmonic distortion occurring below the range of conscious perception that >affects us negatively before we actually are aware of hearing it? yes. as with all human senses, there are many things you don't consciously notice but you are still sensing them. Like the fact that your nose is in your field of vision but you mostly don't see it. In my case, that is truly amazing. > Might I >start feeling uncomfortable before I am able to consciously identify this >type >of distortion, even if I was somehow miraculously blessed with a superbly >sophisticated ear? as I understand things, yes. I imagine if you really knew what you were listening for you might be able to hear it. Not sure though. >(My question comes in part from reading about phase >distortion in amplifiers or equalizers. My text source tells me the >associated >slight reduction of response is generally not noticeable. Does it, however, >have any measurable effect on the listener, even when not audibly perceived?) phase distortion is a bit different. ears are not really sensitive to phase, so you won't necessarily notice that. I don't think it would cause any discomfort, because it is not adding any weird frequencies. However, phase distortion usually means you are near the edge of the amplifier's bandwidth, which means you are probably getting ringing on transients and fun stuff like that. Makes the audio muddy and gives audiophile editors lot's of stuff to write about. >I'm also curious about lab standards by which something as subjective as >perception is meaningfully quantified. Can anyone recommend a good source >for >info on that one? within the field of pshychoacoustics there are probably such things, but not really in engineering. Your typical lab standards in this regard would be Total Harmonic Distortion, or THD, and Intermodulation Distortion, or IMD. THD just tells you how much distortion you have when a tone is put through the system, but doesn't tell you much about what sort of distortion. IMD is similar, but measures the degree to which two tones together in a system modulate each other and produce non-harmonic frequency components. Both are useful benchmarks for basic engineering practice, but neither really tells you much about whether it sounds good or not. You generally have to go well beyond that in designing serious audio systems. Marketing people like them, though. >>These inharmonic distortions add frequency components to the >sound in a >particular way that women tend to have a negative >reaction to while men >typically don't notice. > >Sarajane's post mentioned differences in inner ear structure between genders. > Is that the mechanism in this case? I don't know. I would imagine there are neurological aspects as well. >Maybe it's just a difference in individual thresholds. I've run across a very >few musicians who consistently choose to play at *significantly* higher >volumes think of the fingernails on the chalkboard thing. Some people roll on the floor in agony. Others smile malevolently as the slowly drag a long pinky nail across the board, apparently with no discomfort, while enjoying the suffering of others. Being the latter sort, I've noticed that women are usually more prone to it, but many men will also be affected. The worst I ever encountered was the guy living in the dorm room next to me in college....he would literally fall on the floor and roll around.... If you really do go research it a bit, let me know what you find out. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 02:45:36 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 01:08:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCL1l-00017l-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:08:49 -0800 Message-ID: <008b01bd4c02$da4d8180$e2f1ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: Getting LooPGigs Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 03:59:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"J4mtbD.A.HBH.dCQB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4078 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:08:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 400c5c8b58ea601df421397ed9f63a20 Hi Thomas! (and the rest..) As one half of a 'duo that uses looping' I can tell you how we generally get booked. We usually play coffeehouses, bookstores, art galleries, and small concert venues (around 50-75 seaters). Much of the time, its word of mouth, ie, musician friends recommend us, and if it is an out of town show, we usually send a tape, along with a few newspaper articles, etc. The hardest part in getting booked is explaining what we do. Now, no where in the promo stuff does it mention 'looping' - since no one knows what that is. Hell, most people that book the shows in these places don't even know what 'new age' is. So we came up with a rather non descriptive generic name for what we do..'art music'. I know, it has a lot of faults, but it gets the people who may be booking us interested, because they dont really know what to make of it. The song we put on our demo is up at our web page: (shameless plug) http://www.ethergate.com/users/kevinr/FutureP/cd2.htm It is called 'And So You Go', its not too abstract, it involves looping, guitar synth, etc. Of course we choose a rather accesible song to put on the tape, but when we actually get there, what we play will be a bit more adventurous. My point is that its not really necessary to explain the technology, I just try to get the gig without misrepresenting ourselves. I believe that once we get there to play, the people will like it, they just don't know they like it before we get there. :) One of the reasons I believe we get booked relatively often is that it is vastly different from anyone else playing the same kind of places. Most musicians playing the same places are your basic acoustic guitar type, what you would expect in any coffeehouse anywhere. I live just north of Clearwater, Florida, and I'd bet its a little different in Norway. Dave Eichenebrger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 -----Original Message----- From: Woehni To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 2:09 AM Subject: Getting LooPGigs My question is this: How in the H.. do you get the gigs?? How do approach the venues? I can`t picture myself telling them " I play guitar into a recorder and build clouds of sound , wich I then play over." and actually get a gig. From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 02:45:40 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 01:55:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCLki-0005Lm-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:55:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 03:50:16 -0600 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Who is Robin Williamson? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <35050CD8.2739@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3.0.1.16.19980309232602.1faf1728@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <"GfmrDD.A.7ZE.czQB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4080 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:55:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 7418de533985df5693c6a5de30e4f70b Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote, in part: > > He has done a great many recordings > > since then of traditional harp music, using the wire strung harp, the nylon > > harp and he's also one of the only people I've heard who uses "buzzers" one > > his strings on some tunes. (Buzzers are a very old way of getting a sort of > > sitar-like twang/buzz from your wire strung hard.). > > This sounds intriguing - my wife plays Clarsach (Scots folk harp). Could > he be using the keys (which raise the pitch of the string one semitone) be > used in the "halfway" position, just touching the strings, i wonder. >From _A Survey of Musical Instruments_ by Sibyl Marcuse (Harper & Row, 1975), referring to a 1547 description/drawing by Glareanus: "...brays, a series of right-angled wooden or metal nails mortised into the resonator, and the snarl of the plucked strings when they struck against them. Brays are referred to as harp nails (Nagel in German) in medieval literature, and harps provided with such nails are known as bray harps." Marcuse adds that while bray harps were obsolete on the continent by 1700, "Talbot (ca. 1700) could still write of the Welsh harp and its brays, 'which give it a jarring sound.' Typically, the Renaissance harp was a bray harp." Hey-- guess where Pollock House is? :-) John Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/) From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 09:58:43 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 03:06:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCMrH-0002de-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 03:06:07 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:19:44 +0000 Message-ID: <000F0114.001424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Frisell/Power Tools and assorted discographies To: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"3Nk7LC.A.tPC.F4RB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4085 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 03:06:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 3cd120a25cc6b7fcfdfb8b760334415d Thomas W wondered: > Power Tools? I have heard mention of that before , but I have no idea > what it is. ne1?? Power Tools was the name of the `power trio' made up of Bill Frisell with Melvin Gibbs (electric bass) and Roland Shannon Jackson (drums). This line-up produced one album, `Strange Meeting', Antilles 1987. For more about Bill: Details of Bill's Nonesuch output can be found at the pages of Songline / Tone Field A discography with comments by Matt Wright (matt@cory.berkeley.edu) dated March 1993 is available at a number of sites including: Bill's ECM records are listed at And should you ever need to know how many different albums have featured Bill's tunes such as Rambler, When We Go, Strange Meeting or Monica Jane etc, then you'll want to scurry off to the Bill Frisell Song Finder at: (the construction of which proves how much spare time I had last weekend). David From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 02:45:40 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 02:07:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCLwF-0006MB-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 02:07:11 -0800 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:19:59 -0600 From: John Pollock Subject: Surviving as a fringe musician (was Re: open letter to Torn) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <350513CF.3C96@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E2013@migarexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"UJHXjB.A.gsF.VARB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4081 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 02:07:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 82316d7fc04617b638627df4a2f43576 Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > > Unfortunately, I've been at a club were Eugene made $300 one night, and > six months later, he barely made $50 (I know, I paid him-and he got ALL > the money that night, couldn't even pay the guy who lent him an amp). > Luckily for him, he did real well in SF the night before, but I don't > think that it really paid for his airflight . . . > > But perhaps this is only in LA. > > Dave's got kids right? That doesn't seem so promisng to me . . . > > > Just like Eugene Chadbourne...that would be cool!!!! > > -Rich I've heard very little of Chadbourne's music, and what I did hear really irritated me. However, in an interview about 15 years ago, he outlined a survival strategy which made a very strong impression on me: At the time of the interview, he was playing in rural western Massachusetts taverns, for the door charge. Typically, there'd be five to 20 people in the audience, most of whom would leave. But, he said, there would almost always be one person who'd driven 200 miles to hear him, and would buy every tape he had. And he had about 30 of them, mostly low-fi and possibly duplicated by EC himself. By making these available to the Ardent Seekers and True Believers, he wasn't getting rich... but he didn't have to work a day job or compromise his music. The concept made sense to me, and I determined to do the same thing. Unfortunately, as my own record producer, I found most of my efforts as a studio performer were below the level of acceptable mediocrity to which I aspired. In fact, my inability to come up with recorded product was a major reason why I quit gigging. But the strategy might well be effective for some of y'all... John Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/) From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:00:56 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 09:55:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCTFL-0004kc-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:55:23 -0800 X-Sender: breakz@pop.hom.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:52:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: breakz@hom.net (David Ferguson) Subject: Re: electronica double standard? Resent-Message-ID: <"OnolqB.A.dtD.m0XB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4105 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:55:23 -0800 X-UIDL: d32a687e697ca66a1c1d6170a6479258 >As a DJ, I'm unfortunately speaking out more than I should and will ask, >what have you heard of the GOA scene that you think hold merit? Well first off let me say that I like Japanese style noise. Now it is surely questionable if it is musical. But it is interesting to me. Goa uses alot of boring drones and 303 clones, I like that really I could enjoy a CR-78 (old beat box) preset I like synths sure(have a few), I like analog, but I am not sone crazy purist this is also a good part of goa The Goa DJs (in goa) if you will, use DAT to mix in lieu of wax for obvious temperature related reasons I like _All_ media and hope that digital formats can fall into unique paths such as wax I have 1200s and pmc5pro and several crates of wax so dont think that I dont feel the love Daniel From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 09:58:43 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 03:02:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCMnc-0002GR-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 03:02:20 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19980310104022.1937bf0a@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 02:59:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: DT, BF and various Michaels Resent-Message-ID: <"mMC2uB.A.s6B.30RB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4084 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 03:02:20 -0800 X-UIDL: a3f4fd3802f157e3de502125451426fa At 10:40 AM -0800 3/10/98, Some Michael Or Another, Ph.D. wrote: >dt: >>>Frisell/Torn project >>bill & i talked about this, many many years ago: >>a quartet w/sly dunbar & robbie shakespeare: >>but, >>we never got to it. > >Please David, pleeease, DO IT! >YoumustyoumustyoumustyoumustyouMUST!!!! :):):):):) >Don't deprive those future generations. >It's not just a record, it's a _responsibility_! jeez, you guys are starting to sound like the Spice Girls joined the list..... hey, I know. Instead of all these silly cd projects, maybe we can do a pinup calendar? Which month do ya want David? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:58:33 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 10:13:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCTWy-0007CA-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:13:36 -0800 X-Sender: breakz@pop.hom.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:07:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: breakz@hom.net (David Ferguson) Subject: RE: electronica double standard? Resent-Message-ID: <"lI3QEC.A.nkF.TCYB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4107 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:13:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 1e8061b5a33006b3384a36af6c07bc92 Brilliant point about how DJs are bound by different rules and formats technique and style are very important There was a fellow, Crowley, who took all belief systems, sought the truth, and from these belief systems he made a system that encompassed all these religious and mystical techniques My Point as vague as it may seem it why not UNIFY the field of DJing Daniel >>Nor is the emphasis on using someone elses moods to actualize your own >groove - Its about how to effectively bend or adapt things - sounds or >better yet fragments of something typically or atypically associative to >your own perspective then letting go of it and letting it roll on its on >steam. Most Critics and the public get off on that piece of the picture alone. >> > >Uh, it depends upon the qualifications of said DJ, and what they are using. > If you read my entire argument and undertand the context of it and do not >decontextualize it in your field then you will understand my point, from my >view. To some small degree as far as my functional controls and >comprehension I set up cds, but from my point of view the mood is >established through the music itself because unlike with records it is the >cd itself which promotes a certain mood or vibe. The context in which I >put it, it's entrances and exits, is another part of my creating an overall >effect, but again as a hiphop DJ there is completely different set of >rules. I do not maintain I am traditional or know what I am talking about >but with respect to myself and those with aforementioned limited controls, >I am accurate to 32 degrees. >You say the music belongs to know one, then you to some degree refute >yourself because simultaneously you are admitting it has it's own life, >it's own vibe. I only contextualize it man. You have a logical question >here to deal with. >With regard to who a DJ is, I disagree, but I can see from a hiphop >perspective where you see the DJ. For me, it is actually quite removed >from the street, I do not scratch, I am something quite else. >I hope that you understand my refutations, and I'm not really sure why I'm >making them except to say that your view as well as mine are our own, and >specific to our own experiences, I did suggest that music was from someone >else's music, and actually I will maintain it, as for control of that vibe >that is ours. >"The bass dropped-- you knew you were here." >Mjh From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:00:40 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 08:57:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCSLA-0005cR-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:57:20 -0800 Message-ID: <35052A2E.6F49@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:55:26 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Setup Time for Loop Rig References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aAa4LC.A.oOE.J8WB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4100 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:57:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 8149ca052b034cf1c01d4a90594ef331 > Hmmm, I've actually been thinking about something similar, a shallow 3 > space rack case angled slightly upwards built into a pedalboard, holding > the JamMan, Peavey filter box and maybe another rack box. Most of the rest > of my effects are stomp boxes, and it'd be nice to build something that I > could plug the bass into one end, the amp at the other, and be done with > it. My problem is that my rig always wants to tip forward. I have a Rolls Tube preamp, Jammy, and Quadroverb. My skb case is about three time as deep as it needs to be. Trevor From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:58:35 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 10:40:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCTxI-0002us-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:40:48 -0800 Message-ID: <350532BF.1A3A@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:31:59 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: spice boys References: <60c637cb.35056eca@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hk9YqD.A.L2B.CeYB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4109 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:40:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 8e768bcd44996222a0700ae23249d9bb Marzzz wrote: > > In a message dated 3/10/98 8:35:24 AM, dt wrote: > > >and, BTW: > >both frisell & myself have been hired to *play* on the next spice girls cd. > > WHAT!? This must be a joke. Or perhaps this next record will be a breakthrough masterpiece- a stunning and highly intellectual fusion of the elements of our time. Trevor From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 09:59:55 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 06:24:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCPxH-000563-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:24:31 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: Setup Time for Loop Rig Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:18:55 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4c2f$75ca2d80$f9024382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"s-08UB.A.JYE.SxUB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4089 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:24:31 -0800 X-UIDL: ea263e7903a7ed2b7a1b86422feb6130 >Hmmm, I've actually been thinking about something similar, a shallow 3 >space rack case angled slightly upwards built into a pedalboard, holding >the JamMan, Peavey filter box and maybe another rack box. Most of the rest >of my effects are stomp boxes, and it'd be nice to build something that I >could plug the bass into one end, the amp at the other, and be done with Hi Dave , the pedalboard that you are planning to build is actually about to be mass-produced by SKB. The model is called PS-100 and has a velcro-covered surface for pedal mounting (mmm !) and AC powersupply that powers up to 6 pedals. And "pointing" up at you there is a 3-space rack. The board also have some eff. loops for some of the pedals , and rear-mounted jacks for running external gear. .......I hope this helps. That Peavey filter box you mention , it sounds just like the one in my dreams. Will you tell us about it? Yours , Thomas From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 09:59:59 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 06:31:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCQ4B-0005pQ-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:31:39 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: Re[2]: ECM (was Frisell/torn) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:26:38 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4c30$89a3da80$f9024382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"HDm2c.A.eJF.b4UB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4090 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:31:39 -0800 X-UIDL: e1b3698842446a63c0c40040207b9730 >> I hear Larson is something of a guitarist >> himself - now imagine what loops HE'd come out with!!! Scary thought! >> >I've heard that they're pals and hang together in Seattle (?). Now >imagine if they jam together! Hi , I have heard a story about the two of them. When Frisell was done with the score for the TV special , Larson wanted to thank him. So he took one of his expensive "luthier-guitars" , drove up to Frisell`s house and threw it on the lawn and drove away. Roumors that Frisell threw his Electro H. 16 sec through Larsons kitchen window has yet to be confirmed. Yours , Smiling Thomas W > From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:00:01 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 06:36:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCQ8M-0006MW-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:35:58 -0800 From: Texture444 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:31:15 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: DT, BF and various Michaels Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"xWnngD.A.YkF.57UB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4091 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:35:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 0ad8d774f9c111ad29210e19be1d29fb kim, >Which month do ya want David? well, yeah: i've already *done* the photo-shoot bit for the centerfold, but ya know what? the magazine what sent the photographer--- i think it was called "Overweight Jews from Outer Space Fortnightly"--- seems to have disappeared, somehow. shocking! and, BTW: both frisell & myself have been hired to *play* on the next spice girls cd. best, dt From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:00:03 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 06:40:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCQCJ-0006u3-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:40:03 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: frisell/torn project Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:33:52 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4c31$8c46ca80$f9024382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"tnMkMC.A.o-F.R_UB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4092 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:40:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 6d7b42f11cff3db5838abbc21e105643 >hey, yo! >In a message dated 3/9/98 1:05:11 PM, you mentioned: >>Frisell/Torn project >bill & i talked about this, many many years ago: >a quartet w/sly dunbar & robbie shakespeare: >but, >we never got to it. >however: >we're sorta playing together on a pop record by singer douglas september, >coming out pretty soon on samson records. (bill played guitar, and i just did >some 'textural'-stylie loops). >best, >dt Sounds cool , I`ll check it out. Now , if you could just get Mr. John Abercrombie in on the party I`d would REALLY have something to write home about....:-) yers , Thomas W From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:00:08 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 06:58:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCQTl-0001EA-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:58:05 -0800 Message-Id: <98Mar10.094831est.18822@thicket.arbortext.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:41:53 -0500 From: David White Reply-To: dwhite@arbortext.com Organization: Arbortext Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Setup Time for Loop Rig References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_MPaTB.A.bP.INVB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4095 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:58:05 -0800 X-UIDL: afd543403db8308b05ddb349ce0a0e86 I remembering seeing a pedal board with a hinged 3 space rack in a catalog in the last few months. I't a lot of what you describe. I'd check the AMS and MF catalogs. Can't remember which one, and I can't find it now (I give my catalogs away pretty quickly sometimes - keeps me from making those late night purchase while trying to satisfy the cravings of my gear monkey.) Dave Dave Trenkel wrote: > >Travis reminded me of old ideas... > > > >>* Rack and fasten everything down. > >>* Don't have loose, delicate crap (pedalboards without cases, > >>footcontrollers rattling around loose, etc). Everything should be in a > >>robust case WITH GOOD HANDLES. > > > >In order to tidy up my system, I've been considering putting together a > >pedlaboard with the JamMan _on_the_floor_, rather than in its present > >position on top of the amp. This would drastically cut down on trailing > >wires, and would make it easier to use a vol-pedal to control loop o/p > >volume. Since all my other FX are pedals, it seems to make sense. > > > >Is this as bad an idea as it seems to be at first glance? Would it be OK > >if it were well protected? Is the very thought of it enough to drive Bob > >S. mad? > > > >Michael > > Hmmm, I've actually been thinking about something similar, a shallow 3 > space rack case angled slightly upwards built into a pedalboard, holding > the JamMan, Peavey filter box and maybe another rack box. Most of the rest > of my effects are stomp boxes, and it'd be nice to build something that I > could plug the bass into one end, the amp at the other, and be done with > it. > > ________________________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ > > "...there will come a day when you won't have to use > gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in > your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper > type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em > together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em > together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." > -Sun Ra > ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:00:05 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 06:50:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCQLx-00008X-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:50:01 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: Getting LooPGigs Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:44:42 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4c33$0f5f7880$f9024382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"egoowB.A.fEH.cJVB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4093 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:50:01 -0800 X-UIDL: efd8385561ddd4df1df0646a36626b9c I live just north of >Clearwater, Florida, and I'd bet its a little different in Norway. >Dave Eichenebrger Hi Dave , and thanks for sharing your approach. I think the difference between Norway and US is that here, the places that sport live music are mucch more "stereotyped". If they have an Irish-Pub type of profile they wouldn`t want a band without a fiddle.......that type of thing. The profiles of the venues are very trend-based and closely guarded. Maybe I can change this? :-) Yours , Thomas > > > From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:00:08 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 06:57:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCQTE-00019m-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:57:32 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: DT, BF and various Michaels Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:48:05 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4c33$88c38540$f9024382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"v1XKJC.A.cK.pMVB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4094 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:57:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 5c4d3bffa78664bc453b6f157b169a06 >At 10:40 AM -0800 3/10/98, Some Michael Or Another, Ph.D. wrote: >>dt: >>>>Frisell/Torn project >>>bill & i talked about this, many many years ago: >>>a quartet w/sly dunbar & robbie shakespeare: >>>but, >>>we never got to it. >> >>Please David, pleeease, DO IT! >>YoumustyoumustyoumustyoumustyouMUST!!!! :):):):):) >>Don't deprive those future generations. >>It's not just a record, it's a _responsibility_! > >jeez, you guys are starting to sound like the Spice Girls joined the list..... > >hey, I know. Instead of all these silly cd projects, maybe we can do a >pinup calendar? Which month do ya want David? > >kim > aaaaaa........I like my David in autumn colours.....:-) From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 09:59:47 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 05:54:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCPU5-0002Mw-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 05:54:21 -0800 Message-ID: <3505530A.3C4043D4@infobiogen.fr> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:49:50 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: buffer preamp References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aDCJiC.A.E0B.PVUB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4086 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 05:54:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 62d50bc6c85b6ac7036d8e995637e4a0 I don't remember very well but I think a few months ago someone posted the address of a site were there was the schematics of preamp buffer for guitar that would turn the output in low impedance... Does that ring any bell anyone? I try to find it back. Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 09:59:48 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 05:58:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCPXr-0002sV-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 05:58:15 -0800 Message-ID: <350553DC.F4440FDF@infobiogen.fr> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:53:21 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: duties References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7SUK0D.A.bPC.UYUB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4087 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 05:58:15 -0800 X-UIDL: be79badf341b1281081dfd0416cb68df " I have twin girls (age 3 in April) that like to dance to the Ives Holiday Symphony, Peter Gabriel's Passion and Miles' Jack Johnson, so maybe I'm doing my part in sending a few more weird chicks out into the world:-)" Seems so. But if men like you (can't say us... you know...) don't do it, who will. Let us say it is a duty as a looper (among other things). Other wise they'll end up with photos of the spice girls, so... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 09:59:53 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 06:19:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCPsf-0004Um-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:19:45 -0800 Message-ID: <35055910.15EA13BB@infobiogen.fr> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:15:34 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:ears References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xDpSY.A.I7D.btUB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4088 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:19:45 -0800 X-UIDL: e6a0f27f2763dd2b8ecdab5c0f4e51f7 To add fuel about sounds and feels of sound, I read somewhere a great history for those who think that beyond 20 Khz (at best) there is no reason to possibly ear anything. It is the story of a great world wide known Sound Engineer (whose name escapes me at the time, but I can look for it) who had trouble with a big Neve or SSL mixing desk (but can one still use the word "desk"?). He felt something uncomfortable in the high end without being able to pinpoint what. In the end after testing of the unit. The people of (either Neve or SSL) discovered that the unit had on a few inputs, some bad soldering things that created a frequency peak at ... 56 KHz! We are certainly (I mean i am) talking highly trained ears, but that says a bit long on what we really know about the possiblity sounds can affect us. I mean this guy is paid to work with his ears. Where he would say "that doen't work" we just would say "I don't like too much that sound. And probably only would we note that in a rather unconscious way, so it just would be a discomfort feeling... See what I mean? The funny story is that is was digital signals... You know this things that don't run higher than 22050 kHz (or 48 if you sample @96kHz...). mmmmmm... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:00:35 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 08:04:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCRWO-00076A-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:04:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199803101602.JAA09846@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: What's a decimal place or three between friends? Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:57:46 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BpvGuC.A.VHG.VOWB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4096 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:04:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 9f0e26ae4b835671eb646fc601ca42ac Olivier Malhomme writes: > The funny story is that is was digital signals... You know this things > that don't run higher than 22050 kHz (or 48 if you sample @96kHz...). > mmmmmm... I don't mean to be pedantic here, but surely you mean 22050 Hz (~22kHz). Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:18:10 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 13:08:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCWFo-0005ic-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:08:04 -0800 Message-ID: <35056508.6AD6@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:06:32 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ears References: <2.2.32.19980310204053.008ced84@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wpKG2.A.jbE.tnaB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4120 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:08:04 -0800 X-UIDL: d75fe6d204ab3dabf6191d70641e83e9 I would like to thank you guys for putting the effort into this thread- I think this my be one of the most interesting discussions we've had. I am pleased that I've had the chance to soak a lot of this up. Trevor From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:00:38 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 08:29:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCRu0-00029Y-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:29:16 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:21:43 -0800 Message-ID: <000A094B.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: Robin Williamson and The Incedible String Band To: seahorse@user1.channel1.com, hartnett.t@apple.com, NEMOGUIT , loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"s8iCr.A.giB.2lWB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4098 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:29:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 4b7bd742c85a85dd89382ae6e6b59897 Well, well... Finally the folkies come out of the closet. And a happy threesome we are! I'm not actually looping much with folk music (besides the obviously spare and wonderfully redundant song structures inherent to the song) but there it is anyway. Audiences really like October Song and ask about it and I invariably rave about Incredible String Band. I've often wondered if I could pull off Little Cloud or Smoke Shoveling Song. I actually play out mucho more w/folk than electric. This I might attempt to remedy in the near future! I have way too much electric gear to not somehow gig with it to justify it all! Kindly... -Miko hi-your mention of the ISB and RW warmed my heart on a cold evening-i have never seen 3 people together,albeit,in a computer know of this band-they have always been one of my favorites-any information on records or cds titles and where they can be had would be greatly appriciated. thanks...................michael From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:00:39 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 08:46:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCSAF-00044u-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:46:03 -0800 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:41:32 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Robin Williamson and The Incedible String Band In-Reply-To: <000A094B.----@wj.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"BoLTYD.A.iTD.L1WB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4099 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:46:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 6d6a2dc5441800c083a79d7a39ad9205 On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Mike Biffle wrote: > Well, well... Finally the folkies come out of the closet. And a happy threesome > we are! I'm not actually looping much with folk music (besides the obviously > spare and wonderfully redundant song structures inherent to the song) but there > it is anyway. Make it a foursome... i'm a big Robin Williamson fan too! Not a looper, of course, but he's a marvelous songwriter. Sometimes, when i'm afraid i'm not sufficiently depressed, i'll sing "Me and the Mad Girl"... "Mad girl, we both were wrong again You took me for an enemy and i took you for a friend" -dave Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless. From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:18:35 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 14:58:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCXyD-0002xG-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:58:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199803102242.OAA21038@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: Folk, cases and the spice girls Date: Tue, 10 Mar 98 16:43:47 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"uHe8J.A.H-B.3PcB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4125 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:58:02 -0800 X-UIDL: fbbebbb0fbd74e16fee8de1b68b90e60 >>No, go the whole hog and play folk ON your electic! Remember Richard >>Thompson et al... > And the last time I saw Richard, he was also using a guitar synthesizer... Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:00:40 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 08:58:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCSLe-0005gZ-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:57:50 -0800 From: Marzzz Message-ID: <60c637cb.35056eca@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:48:07 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: spice boys Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"GnIRqD.A.HQE.S8WB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4101 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:57:50 -0800 X-UIDL: b510b74c2f5a84b327c1b1986134225f In a message dated 3/10/98 8:35:24 AM, dt wrote: >and, BTW: >both frisell & myself have been hired to *play* on the next spice girls cd. WHAT!? From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:18:55 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 16:30:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCZPJ-0006Vo-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:30:05 -0800 Message-ID: <35057181.A30C0F33@Pirnie.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:59:45 -0500 From: "Lee Wordsman" Reply-To: Lwordsman@Pirnie.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: folk looping References: <000A094B.----@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Dob59D.A.JeF.PndB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4131 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:30:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 7f3f8b94d1b5f371ea252ba8642cb7cd Along the lines of the incredible string band thread and looping in Folk music, I recently saw Martin Sexton (an amazing vocal ranging that runs from trumpet like sounds to Billy Holiday to Louis Armstrong). For his final encore, Martin used a DOD delay to set up a cool percusive groove built on slapping his acoustic guitar body and some rough strums. He then let that loop (not really loop but hold) and played a stirring version of Van Halen's "Ice Cream Man". The only looping of the show (which was a great show all around). I recommend him to anyone into Folk music. Also along the Folk lines, sounds like Bill Frisell's Nashville inlcudes a bit of looping but perhaps that's just overdubs? And to continue the six degrees of seperation theme, I saw John Scofield at his daughters high school (in Westchester, NY). He played in a trio format with Bill Stewart on Drums and ??? on Bass. He was using a Digitech pedal (maybe the modulator) that he had just purchased. The pedal allowed a bit of delay and pedal controlled pitch bend. He was into doing a bit of exploration and totally blew me away. Not looping but a hint that he may move in that direction. It was also a tremendous show that included a 45 min. question and answer. He is not only a great player but seems to be a fine fellow. He answered questions from gear heads, jazz enthusiasts and young kids with equal interest and candor. Makes me like his music all the more. From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:18:21 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 13:57:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCX1C-0003YJ-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:57:02 -0800 Message-ID: <350571FD.6A5D2AB1@Pirnie.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:01:49 -0500 From: "Lee Wordsman" Reply-To: Lwordsman@Pirnie.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: spice boys References: <60c637cb.35056eca@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iypbJD.A.kCC.5SbB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4122 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:57:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 1f250770491d4332a3aae1bdd3a4b301 Is that going to be on video? 8 ) > Texture wrote: > > BTW: > >both frisell & myself have been hired to *play* on the next spice girls cd. From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:00:46 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 09:30:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCSr5-0001X9-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:30:19 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD4C05.C7856EC0.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Frisell/Power Tools and assorted discographies Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:14:39 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lClyAD.A.ia._aXB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4102 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:30:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 9b5ccd23a9256cd3563476e2ec90c12a David O: then you'll want to scurry off to the Bill Frisell Song Finder at: (the construction of which proves how much spare time I had last weekend). Hey, nice work David! I've got one to add, I mentioned it a while back in a discpix thread, but will give it some bandwidth again: "Just So Happens", Gary Peacock and Bill, duet. For anyone who doesn't know, Gary is a major cat in jazz world. Plays upright bass, lives in Seattle. Great player, great guy. Album was recorded February 1994, most the compositions are Gary's and Bill's collaborations. Plus a little Americana (Home on the Range 1 and 2, Red River Valley), a jazz standard or two (Good Morning Heartache, Reciprocity - which is Gary's), and another Gary tune. I really love this album, but then I've always been inspired by both Gary's and Bill's playing. The title track, "Just So Happens" is exceptionally beautiful, like when the sun comes up. ******************* For anyone interested in more about Gary, here's an anecdotal story. This was in Seattle, more years ago than I care to count. I was doing lessons with him, and that week we'd been working on jazz standards, specifically Autumn Leaves, in all keys. At the time Autumn Leaves wasn't my most favorite tune in the world, but he chose it for specific pedagogical reasons, and hey, who was I to argue? He'd play piano, call a key, and 3,4, go man. Just do it. It was pretty daunting for a kid learning to play walking lines, but Gary was unbelievably patient and encouraging. Well, I limped through that session, grasping at obvious, rudimentary harmonic and rhythmic choices, not venturing very far so as not to totally fall flat on my face, which I was doing anyway. Came out of there feeling like I'd been through a ringer. That evening I went out to a little jazz club where Gary was playing. It was early in the week, and early in the night. There were only two or three people in the club, which would later fill up. He leaned over to the other player (I can't for the life of me remember who it was, but he was gigging a lot with Art Lande at the time...) whispered something, and started into this magnificent, elongated improvisation. These guys were at 150%, absolutely playing their butts off, exploring extraordinary tangents. Just pasted me to the chair - I was absolutely captivated; it was the finest I'd ever heard him play. After how long, who knows - this little cocoon club was in a time warp - increasingly brilliant, elegant tones threaded into Gary's tapestry, one by one, ever so smoothly. It was like shimmering deep bells going off in my head. Autumn Leaves. Holy shiiii.... That remains the most profoundly moving "lesson" I've ever had. laurie >From lists@slip.net Tue Mar 10 09:30:28 1998 From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:00:47 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 09:30:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCSrA-0001Xs-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:30:24 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD4C05.CAFF0520.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: a woman's ears Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:19:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0xTznC.A.Wc.KbXB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4103 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:30:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 34fd44c180c492cd6e38a3b4660da5f9 Kim laments: >Well, now you done it. I was lookin' all smart and then you had to go and >ask questions. since I'm not any expert by any means, I'll just point you >to some places where you can become one. Well, the definition of "expert" is one of those relative things, ya know?... [snip - major cool info] >think of the fingernails on the chalkboard thing. Some people roll on the >floor in agony. Others smile malevolently as the slowly drag a long pinky >nail across the board, apparently with no discomfort, while enjoying the >suffering of others. Being the latter sort, I've noticed that women are >usually more prone to it, but many men will also be affected. Scott B, you payin attention here? What not to do. ;-) Gee, maybe we should be sending Kim's girlfriend sympathy cards. So. It must be a pretty heavy schedule, Kim, what with all the pinky manicures and such. Mucho thanks for taking time out to respond to all my questions! (I'll bet you get off on clicking the keys with your nail too. Put all those plastic-tipped bank teller digits to shame...) laurie >From jungle@fdgroup.co.uk Tue Mar 10 09:31:34 1998 From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:00:52 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 09:43:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCT3n-0003ER-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:43:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199803101738.KAA10509@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: a woman's ears Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:33:44 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0BYYTD.A.jMC.xoXB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4104 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:43:27 -0800 X-UIDL: c20c6e13566efc3fe3af9f64e04ddb82 > > >think of the fingernails on the chalkboard thing. Some people roll on the > >floor in agony. Others smile malevolently as the slowly drag a long pinky > >nail across the board, apparently with no discomfort, while enjoying the > >suffering of others. Being the latter sort, I've noticed that women are > >usually more prone to it, but many men will also be affected. > > Scott B, you payin attention here? What not to do. ;-) >From now on I resolve to play only two axes: my Rickenbacker 4001 (totally Geddy-ed up with Badass II bridge) & Warr Guitar. And I will never play a note above 100Hz. Scott "ladies' man" Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder Colorado, USA From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:18:36 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 15:01:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCY1n-0003Sb-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:01:43 -0800 Message-ID: <35057F80.7C0B@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:59:28 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Arousing Scents References: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F5B2@mail.exapps.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1LGTq.A.0KC.XRcB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4126 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:01:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 0402a33d96a58b74691f15ad5a6f4b1f According to the study, combinations of black licorice candy, cucumber, baby powder, lavender and pumpkin pie caused the greatest increase in female sexual arousal. Preliminary results in the study suggest that scents may be used not only to enhance romance, but may also treat sexual arousal disorders, which affect as many as half of all married women in America..... Perhaps because their mates are trying to turn them on with a pumpkin pie..... Trevor From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:58:32 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 10:12:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCTWE-00075n-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:12:50 -0800 Message-ID: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F5B0@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Woehni' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: SKB Pedal Board Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:02:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"VCZrW.A.fgF.4BYB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4106 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:12:50 -0800 X-UIDL: b7911dc9659782c3d6577815ac6c41ab RE: The SKB pedal board I just bought the more "traditional" SKB pedal-board. Personal Opinion: Plus: + nice to have all those pesky pedals routed and powered and stuck in place as you want them. + saves time + save on incremental battery costs + velco is fun to play with at any age Minus: - I don't use the signal routing in the board because of signal degradation / added noise (and it seems quite noticeable to me) - Signal and power connectors are a bit flimsy - Gig bag looks like it will deteriorate fairly quickly - Plastic pedal board is not as sturdy as one might wish (add those little pedals get quite heavy!) Overall: A very convenient set-up time-saver. David Kirkdorffer From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 10:58:34 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 10:33:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCTpv-0001u6-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:33:11 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:24:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: SV: Setup Time for Loop Rig Resent-Message-ID: <"gzZUCD.A.k8.MXYB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4108 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:33:11 -0800 X-UIDL: fedbdb19a6a6225eb5b4ee72d68d808e >>Hmmm, I've actually been thinking about something similar, a shallow 3 >>space rack case angled slightly upwards built into a pedalboard, holding >>the JamMan, Peavey filter box and maybe another rack box. Most of the rest >>of my effects are stomp boxes, and it'd be nice to build something that I >>could plug the bass into one end, the amp at the other, and be done with > > >Hi Dave , the pedalboard that you are planning to build is actually about >to be mass-produced by SKB. The model is called PS-100 and has a >velcro-covered surface for pedal mounting (mmm !) and AC powersupply that >powers up to 6 pedals. And "pointing" up at you there is a 3-space rack. >The board also have some eff. loops for some of the pedals , and >rear-mounted jacks for running external gear. .......I hope this helps. > DOH! As usual, whenever I have a good idea, someone else has come up with it already. Thanks for the info, I'll keep an eye out for it. >That Peavey filter box you mention , it sounds just like the one in my >dreams. Will you tell us about it? > It's an SPAF Analog Filter. It's a MIDI/Envelope/CV controllable 24db/octave resonant filter, modelled after the classic Minimoog filter. I think it sounds great, especially on bass, and has some pretty extensive MIDI control. There are a few other similar boxes out by Waldorf, Sherman, and others as well, but the Peavey was cheap used... >Yours , Thomas ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 02:45:37 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 01:09:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCL28-0001AY-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:09:12 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980310104022.1937bf0a@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:40:22 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: DT, BF and various Michaels In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"r1ADaD.A.HFH.zCQB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4079 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:09:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 5c080be81998f48ad4b68f9346ab4fc6 dt: >>Frisell/Torn project >bill & i talked about this, many many years ago: >a quartet w/sly dunbar & robbie shakespeare: >but, >we never got to it. Please David, pleeease, DO IT! YoumustyoumustyoumustyoumustyouMUST!!!! :):):):):) Don't deprive those future generations. It's not just a record, it's a _responsibility_! Meanwhile, Michael asked: >whats up with all of these michaels? >just wondering! >michael Dunno... let's ask Miguel! Michael From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:17:44 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 11:11:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCUQX-0006rI-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:11:02 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35055910.15EA13BB@infobiogen.fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:49:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re:ears Resent-Message-ID: <"QQADnC.A.s6E.s1YB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4111 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:11:02 -0800 X-UIDL: c0dadfa42a90b959c3f328ec0fab243b >To add fuel about sounds and feels of sound, I read somewhere a great >history for those who think that beyond 20 Khz (at best) there is no >reason to possibly ear anything. I think it's actually Mr. Neve who talks about this. I think the deal is that you can't hear a continuous tone over 20KHz (lower if you've abused your ears like me....) but you can discern transients that have higher frequencies. I think Neve would demonstrate this by switching a 15KHz sine wave and a 15KHz square wave. All the frequencies that make it a square wave are above the human range of hearing, so it should sound the same as the sine wave, but supposedly it doesn't. >felt something uncomfortable in the high end without being able to >pinpoint what. In the end after testing of the unit. The people of >(either Neve or SSL) discovered that the unit had on a few inputs, some >bad soldering things that created a frequency peak at ... 56 KHz! If there is a big peak at 56KHz, it would very likely be having an affect on frequencies below 20KHz, which might be what the guy was hearing. The "skirt" of the filter.... >We are certainly (I mean i am) talking highly trained ears, but that >says a bit long on what we really know about the possiblity sounds can >affect us. I mean this guy is paid to work with his ears. Where he >would say "that doen't work" we just would say "I don't like too much >that sound. And probably only would we note that in a rather unconscious >way, so it just would be a discomfort feeling... See what I mean? >The funny story is that is was digital signals... You know this things >that don't run higher than 22050 kHz (or 48 if you sample @96kHz...). well, that's another thing with poor quality digital gear. If the audio input is not filtered right and you put higher frequencies into it, they will alias into the audio. Basically they mirror around the 1/2sample rate frequency. It's sort of a cool affect, but a terrible thing to do to music. If the aliasing frequencies are low in the first place, the result will be subtle and give you that uncomfortable feeling. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:17:42 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 10:59:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCUFM-0005KO-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:59:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199803101844.SAA22734@beryl.sol.co.uk> From: "John Stevens" To: "LOOPERS-DELIGHT" Subject: MUSIC, MIND & SCIENCE Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:54:09 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"28VltD.A.hGE.nvYB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4110 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:59:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 61767b787fa51cf5c48702817d4715e7 If anyone is interested in some heavy-duty reading on the science of music and how it affects our minds/bodys I would recommend the following books:- 1. Music & Your Mind (listening with a new consciousness) by Helen L. Bonny & Louis M Savery. Pub.1973,1990 by Station Hill Press Barrytown New York 12507 ISBN 0-88268-094-3 2. Science & Music bySir James Jeans and originally pub.in 1937...... Reprinted 1968 by Dover Publications 180 Varick Street New York10014 ISBN 0-486-61964-8 Hope this info may be of interest to some in Looper-Land. It would be interesting to hear what others have read on this fascinating subject. Best wishes John Stevens From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:17:45 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 11:14:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCUTi-0007J5-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:14:18 -0800 Message-ID: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F5B2@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Arousing Scents Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:00:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"6ygUv.A.STF.h4YB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4112 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:14:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 5344ace4e9060c026718c97de526579a OK - Please excuse the off-topic-ness of this post, but with recent attention turned "women's hearing" I thought you may be interested in this. I found it priceless! ;-) Tuesday March 10, 11:47 am Eastern Time Company Press Release SOURCE: Element Books New Study Says Certain Scents Increase Sexual Arousal in Women, Announces Element Books Details are Outlined in New Book Due Next Month BOSTON, March 10 /PRNewswire/ -- Findings of a new study were released today that prove certain scents are sexual turn-ons for women. Alan R. Hirsch, M.D., Neurological Director of the Smell and Taste Treatment and Research Foundation in Chicago, announced his findings on the effects of aroma on female sexual arousal. Details of this new study, along with one previously done by Dr. Hirsch on the effects of odor on male sexual arousal are explained in his new book Scentsational Sex: The Secret to Using Aroma for Arousal (Element Books, April, 1998). According to the study, combinations of black licorice candy, cucumber, baby powder, lavender and pumpkin pie caused the greatest increase in female sexual arousal. Preliminary results in the study suggest that scents may be used not only to enhance romance, but may also treat sexual arousal disorders, which affect as many as half of all married women in America. ``In treating patients who suffered from loss of the sense of smell, we found that almost 25% had also developed sexual dysfunction. This suggested that odors may impact upon sexual arousal,'' explained Dr. Hirsch. During the course of the study, Dr. Hirsch measured the effects of a variety of odors on the sexual responsiveness of 30 volunteers. Subjects were tested wearing masks scented with cherry, cucumber, black licorice candy, lavender, baby powder, pumpkin pie, chocolate, charcoal barbecue meat, perfumes and colognes in a variety of combinations. The Results: -- Women are most aroused by the odors of black licorice candy combined with cucumber; men by a combination of pumpkin pie and lavender. -- The odor of cherry was most inhibiting to female sexual arousal; no odor inhibited male arousal. -- Men's colognes actually reduced sexual arousal levels in women. SOURCE: Element Books Seems to be a combination of Spinal Tap meets Norman Rockwell-like archetypes... And don't you love how the study found, "...no odor inhibited male arousal..." !?! David Kirkdorffer From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:17:47 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 11:21:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCUab-0000RS-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:21:25 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:03:57 -0800 Message-ID: <000A0C8C.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: spice boys To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, tbajus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"Pq2olC.A.NXG.jAZB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4113 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:21:25 -0800 X-UIDL: f5af84bd1b8cb0ab98478388ba97b518 >>>and, BTW: both frisell & myself have been hired to *play* on the next spice >>>girls cd. >> WHAT!? >This must be a joke. >Or perhaps this next record will be a breakthrough masterpiece- a >stunning and highly intellectual **fusion** of the elements of our time. >Trevor A well groomed and polite frontperson with wholesome presentation could help a lot of scruffs get their music on the radio! 8-> Get out those tuxedoes and bring on the chorus line! A Spicey collaboration is doomed now that we've invoked the F-word. -Miko PS: I believe it was Gary Larson who introduced the girls to DT and Frizz. From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:17:49 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 11:42:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCUv2-0002zj-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:42:32 -0800 Message-ID: <350598D4.8F73E5C6@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:47:33 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SjPm6.A.-_B.RYZB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4114 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:42:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 122da0272b0c9af6e8dff0e1b59077bb You wrote: < I think the deal is From kflint Tue Mar 10 13:48:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCWt4-0002Ry-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:48:38 -0800 Message-ID: <350599AA.B6A1620A@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:51:06 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Arousing Scents X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F5B2@mail.exapps.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xQycc.A._gB.8ObB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4121 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:48:38 -0800 X-UIDL: d2ec1db88b2e76204e07f23cb219b91a Funny, I've been carrying around black licorice and cucumbers for a while now, and it's not getting me anywhere! ;-) Mark. From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:18:05 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 12:41:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCVqW-0002Gu-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:41:56 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980310143616.00832610@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:36:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re:ears In-Reply-To: References: <35055910.15EA13BB@infobiogen.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EhGkSB.A.geB.LRaB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4117 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:41:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 0b3af3f3266fe0b04b5f623c26280fb9 Actually, this phenomenon of 'ultrasonic hearing' that Rupert Neve likes to bandy about is really nothing more than showmanship, if you attended the AES lectures, you'd know what I mean. The truth is that a 10khz square wave has a different RMS value than a 10khz sine, it is easy to hear the level shift. Also, the ringing in the unterminated input transformers (the 56khz response peak) causes TIM and slewing induced distortions in the AUDIBLE (20-20k) spectrum. Plug a 50khz oscillator into your marshall in addition to your guitar and play through it. I guarantee that you will hear a difference, even though the speakers roll off significantly above 6khz. Having said that, I'd like to direct all who are interested in supersonics towards this great sight: http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~boyk/spectra/spectra.htm There's Life Above 20 Kilohertz! A Survey of Musical Instrument Spectra to 102.4 KHz California Institute of Technology -Chuck Zwicky At 10:49 AM 3/10/98 -0800, you wrote: >>To add fuel about sounds and feels of sound, I read somewhere a great >>history for those who think that beyond 20 Khz (at best) there is no >>reason to possibly ear anything. > >I think it's actually Mr. Neve who talks about this. I think the deal is >that you can't hear a continuous tone over 20KHz (lower if you've abused >your ears like me....) but you can discern transients that have higher >frequencies. I think Neve would demonstrate this by switching a 15KHz sine >wave and a 15KHz square wave. All the frequencies that make it a square >wave are above the human range of hearing, so it should sound the same as >the sine wave, but supposedly it doesn't. > > >>felt something uncomfortable in the high end without being able to >>pinpoint what. In the end after testing of the unit. The people of >>(either Neve or SSL) discovered that the unit had on a few inputs, some >>bad soldering things that created a frequency peak at ... 56 KHz! > >If there is a big peak at 56KHz, it would very likely be having an affect >on frequencies below 20KHz, which might be what the guy was hearing. The >"skirt" of the filter.... > > >>We are certainly (I mean i am) talking highly trained ears, but that >>says a bit long on what we really know about the possiblity sounds can >>affect us. I mean this guy is paid to work with his ears. Where he >>would say "that doen't work" we just would say "I don't like too much >>that sound. And probably only would we note that in a rather unconscious >>way, so it just would be a discomfort feeling... See what I mean? >>The funny story is that is was digital signals... You know this things >>that don't run higher than 22050 kHz (or 48 if you sample @96kHz...). > >well, that's another thing with poor quality digital gear. If the audio >input is not filtered right and you put higher frequencies into it, they >will alias into the audio. Basically they mirror around the 1/2sample rate >frequency. It's sort of a cool affect, but a terrible thing to do to music. >If the aliasing frequencies are low in the first place, the result will be >subtle and give you that uncomfortable feeling. > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:18:08 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 12:51:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCVzI-0003SE-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:51:00 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980310204053.008ced84@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:40:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re:ears Resent-Message-ID: <"Mn7YX.A.ITC.nXaB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4118 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:51:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 008265291ee3bbe93579797ae5e1d0f0 At 09:36 PM 3/10/98, Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: >At 10:49 AM 3/10/98 -0800, you wrote: >>>To add fuel about sounds and feels of sound, I read somewhere a great >>>history for those who think that beyond 20 Khz (at best) there is no >>>reason to possibly ear anything. >> >>I think it's actually Mr. Neve who talks about this. I think the deal is >>that you can't hear a continuous tone over 20KHz (lower if you've abused >>your ears like me....) but you can discern transients that have higher >>frequencies. I think Neve would demonstrate this by switching a 15KHz sine >>wave and a 15KHz square wave. All the frequencies that make it a square >>wave are above the human range of hearing, so it should sound the same as >>the sine wave, but supposedly it doesn't. > >Do the higuer harmonics on a square wave count as transients? no, you're right, it isn't really. The thinking was that the different edge rate on the squarewave was discernible, and that ears had some different mechanism for sensing level transitions. Probably is was a bucket of doo-doo intended to sell more expensive Neve consoles. I never checked into it, so I don't really know the Truth. >>well, that's another thing with poor quality digital gear. If the audio >>input is not filtered right and you put higher frequencies into it, they >>will alias into the audio. Basically they mirror around the 1/2sample rate >>frequency. It's sort of a cool affect, but a terrible thing to do to music. >>If the aliasing frequencies are low in the first place, the result will be >>subtle and give you that uncomfortable feeling. > >I was just thinking that - the ear supposedly picks up sound by registering >the beats along the ear cana via the little hairs. Could it be that stuff >at 56kHz is being aliased to a lower frequency in the ear? Or that there >is a standing wave resonance within the ear at that frequency? Or that the >hair resonate at that frequency? I doubt it. More likely simple filter theory. 56KHz is not much more than an octave above 20KHz. A resonance peak at 56k could easily be having a small affect under 20k. And it could be that there were other problems in that circuit that were more blatant, and the engineer just found something he wanted to find in order to justify his marketing campaign. Audio engineers generally keep a very safe distance from things like physics and math. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:18:10 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 13:01:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCW9S-0004rB-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:01:30 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980310205210.008cadf0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:52:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: DJ Loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"4tV0sB.A.1rD.NiaB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4119 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:01:31 -0800 X-UIDL: d94e37bfb7eae85f841a7a57b03b6595 Hey, now that some actual DJs are finally speaking up here, I was wondering: Do you ever use the phrase samplers that sometimes get built into DJ mixers? Are they useful? I always thought the interface on most of them was kind of funny and hard to use, and that more people might use it otherwise. Any idea? kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:18:22 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 14:02:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCX62-0004EP-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:02:02 -0800 X-Sender: cho@newdream.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980310205210.008cadf0@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:52:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Notes on the Profiles site Resent-Message-ID: <"JU5ylB.A.6wC.gYbB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4123 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:02:02 -0800 X-UIDL: dcd2690f211b2aabf453e7eb769ef1e1 I've noticed that a couple people have submitted profiles which have incorrect URL entries. That is, the URL information was incomplete or included extra characters, which prevents it from being a functional link. Please remember that the URL entry must contain the ENTIRE URL, as it would appear in your web browser. For example: This is correct: http://www.annihilist.com/cgi_bin/profiles.cgi These are NOT correct: www.annihilist.com/cgI-bin/profiles.cgi http://www.annihilist.com/cgi_bin/profiles.cgi------------- Please double-check your profile and make sure that your links are functional. Thanks! Also, there has been interest in having links to (real-audio?) sound files from the loopers site. It would be easy for me to add a field which provides these links. However, I am wondering if that would be redundant with the URL field, as many of you probably have sound files on your home oage, which you can link to via the URL field. ALso, having the sound file links on your own page would allow you to provide more information about the sound file itself. ANy ideas about this? I was thinking that one cool thing would be to have a link to a sound file, which could automatically download and play when someone views your profile. That way they could (without effort) hear your loops as they read your profile. What sound player would be best to use for this application? Beatnik? Real audio? - chris __________________________________________________ Chris Chovit avec@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov AVIRIS Experiment Coordinator pager #: (888) 415-4547 From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:18:34 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 14:42:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCXjF-00018i-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:42:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:32:46 -0800 Message-ID: <000A0FD9.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: Folk, cases and the spice girls To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com, "Michael P. Hughes; Ph.D." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"SBygTD.A.Ba.XCcB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4124 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:42:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 6fe1e2469d579b024864688f1958c7a7 >Some Michael or other: That would be me... >>Well, well... Finally the folkies come out of the closet. And a happy >>threesome we are! >Well, fol-de-rol! Hey-nonny-nonny! Well! I like that! >I actually don't have a folky background, but have consistently played it >since about 1993! My current band is a Ceilidh (scottish dance music) >outfit - yes, we do have a fiddler - and my last band did Steeleye Span >covers. I'll stick my neck out here and say that over here, Folk musos are >fare more adventurous than the Jazz lot, snipppppp! I've got more of a rock / euro-jazz background, but the whole British Ilse folk thing always did something for me. I loved Steeleye Span waaay back. That I haven't followed anything very regularly says a lot about my pocketbook as well as my diverse and diffuse interests. (Too many really waters down the mix.) I accidentally got re-involved with folk and fingerstyle when my son was on his way and I knew beyond a shadow that I was going to have a time and energy crisis and I'd better come up with a quick and simple way to make music through it all. He's almost three now and it's starting to work itself out. >>I actually play out mucho more w/folk than electric. This I might attempt to >>remedy in the near future! I have way too much electric gear to not somehow >>gig with it to justify it all! >No, go the whole hog and play folk ON your electic! Remember Richard >Thompson et al... Nah... I'll be back to pathological noisemaking soon I believe! (I still love folk, but it's true that around here, my electric variants don't exactly thrill the majority of the folk clan.) There IS a great, weird and wild contingent of electric goings-on though, so I can satisfy both desires if needed. >On to cases: >Everybody recommended the SKB pedalboard with rackspaces. Nice.. but four >hundred dollars????? Wow... that sounds like too much to me as well. I used to have a piece of wood with sticky back velcro that served well as a p-board. I then had 3 and 4 space racks and they usually balanced nicely on the lid in front to slant them upward towards me. If the whole thing seemed unstable, I'd use a little gaffers tape to stabilize it. All for the price of the rack case and the velcro. >>Trevor commented: >>>My problem is that my rig always wants to tip forward. I have a Rolls >>>Tube preamp, Jammy, and Quadroverb. My skb case is about three time as >>>deep as it needs to be. My SKB 10sp with the SKB caster plate magically balances on it's rear wheels, With perfect visibility of all the controls! It has never fallen over either. The rack has been dropped though from a height of about 5 feet by a roadie who will never, ever carry my rack again! 8-> >"Tell me what you want, what you really really want...." >ZZZZZZOOOWWWMMMdakadakadakaBOOMwibblywibblywiblley..... :) "Give me what I want, exactly what I want, forever, now, once upon a time!" (from World Entertainment War and Rob Brezney) Yours, - Miko From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:18:38 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 15:13:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCYD8-00051R-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:13:26 -0800 From: PJBMHB Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:03:15 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: ECM (was Frisell/torn) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"1NoaED.A.6kD.7bcB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4127 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:13:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 92a2dc0dde0a6227eb59c6305c0d6659 i just got the johnson cd with pm and frisell. it is nice but not as cool as bass desires or the scofield cd with frisell. the sco/pm cd i didn't like at all. =-) PJ From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:18:39 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 15:14:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCYDv-00057n-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:14:15 -0800 From: PJBMHB Message-ID: <53bde450.3505c701@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:04:31 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re[2]: ECM (was Frisell/torn) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"yMtB2B.A.ywD.NdcB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4128 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:14:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 50fba2ca5663e8d01464fe28f02cbedc actually they do jam together. bill and gary are neighbors and both studied with jim hall in the 70's. =-) PJ From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:18:40 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 15:26:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCYPy-0006l1-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:26:42 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: , "tbajus" Subject: SV: Re[2]: spice boys Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:13:18 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4c7a$1cc908a0$5c014382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"b4K4_.A.a_E.fmcB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4129 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:26:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 604e7bf8a173a994ab1a7381f2946d79 > >PS: I believe it was Gary Larson who introduced the girls to DT and Frizz. On a related note , the BeeGees are supposedly getting back together again with Scofield as musical director. From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:18:41 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 15:29:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCYSg-00076i-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:29:30 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: , Subject: SV: Arousing Scents Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:15:50 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4c7a$76f17a60$5c014382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZFSPpD.A.FWF.JpcB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4130 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:29:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 7ee9e969b757aed0dd2fe6f3819fad4d >Funny, I've been carrying around black licorice and cucumbers for a >while now, and it's not getting me anywhere! ;-) > >Mark. Where do you put the cucumber?? From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:18:55 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 16:42:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCZax-000093-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:42:07 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199803102342.PAA26737@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Re: cheeseheads/open letter to Torn (was: "I don't think she'svery nice" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:42:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7cc3a231.3503e902@aol.com> from "Texture444" at Mar 9, 98 08:05:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kzLzeB.A.1fG.gvdB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4132 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:42:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 1fb50a0ec9d9819627e915ce00eb50fe > well: > where exactly d'ya think i should play, in yer town? > best, > dt If you were to come to San Diego, I think the UCSD campus would be a nice fit. Your looping concepts would fit right in with the electronic music research they do at UCSD. If not the campus, then maybe the place opened up by Bonnie Wright, a former UCSD student-turned-patron who bought and opened a downtown place for experimental musicians (mostly UCSD people) to perform outside of the university atmosphere. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:19:00 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 17:13:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCa54-0003Wd-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:13:14 -0800 Message-ID: <19980311010800.27987.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:08:00 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: echoplex - hi freq overload To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"O_1ZK.A.UrC.rPeB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4133 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:13:14 -0800 X-UIDL: eef13b23a7f5274a51e8c0bcf70704e8 Recently I started looping my Alesis HR-16 drums with the echoplex dp. Prior to that I had input mostly bass guitar, and electric guitar. While looping high hats and cymbals, I noticed that I have to be very careful with the input level (keep input LED only green), or I get an unpleasant distortion. Per the input LED I seem to be able to input a much larger signal for bass drums (or bass guitar and guitar) and snare than the cymbals. Further, it looks like the LED for input level, and the LED for Feedback level do not correspond very well with one another. The input LED seems to register lower than the feedback LED. That is to say, when starting a loop, if I set the input level so that the input LED shows only green, then the feedback LED will still go orange or red (with high freq signals). This occurs before the loop has grown beyond the initial input. I have not done the R7 - 75k 5% 1/4w CF modifications to the clipping indication on input LED, nor any of the limiter circuit modifications (r20,r21, or the resistor tacked to bottom of PCBA ala Kim). Would any of these mods help with my apparent high frequency overload sensitivity? Any other suggestions to resolve this? bret _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:19:11 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 20:30:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCdAO-00055C-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:30:56 -0800 Message-Id: <199803110323.WAA12840@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Guitar schematix Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:22:47 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qO2LlD.A.rZE.0KhB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4134 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:30:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 649bd41b817dca6e6fbfe5cb9815a892 olivier, is this the schematic page you were looking for??? http://nyquist.ee.ualberta.ca/~charro/cookbook/audio/guitar/ hope so. peace, andre' From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:17:50 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 12:00:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCVCd-0005Jt-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:00:43 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980310213610.299f34c8@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:36:10 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re:ears In-Reply-To: References: <35055910.15EA13BB@infobiogen.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"UNmE1B.A.ALE.fpZB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4115 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:00:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 7dd45130e3514f7bf090e2e90fcb7aec At 10:49 AM 3/10/98 -0800, you wrote: >>To add fuel about sounds and feels of sound, I read somewhere a great >>history for those who think that beyond 20 Khz (at best) there is no >>reason to possibly ear anything. > >I think it's actually Mr. Neve who talks about this. I think the deal is >that you can't hear a continuous tone over 20KHz (lower if you've abused >your ears like me....) but you can discern transients that have higher >frequencies. I think Neve would demonstrate this by switching a 15KHz sine >wave and a 15KHz square wave. All the frequencies that make it a square >wave are above the human range of hearing, so it should sound the same as >the sine wave, but supposedly it doesn't. Do the higuer harmonics on a square wave count as transients? >well, that's another thing with poor quality digital gear. If the audio >input is not filtered right and you put higher frequencies into it, they >will alias into the audio. Basically they mirror around the 1/2sample rate >frequency. It's sort of a cool affect, but a terrible thing to do to music. >If the aliasing frequencies are low in the first place, the result will be >subtle and give you that uncomfortable feeling. I was just thinking that - the ear supposedly picks up sound by registering the beats along the ear cana via the little hairs. Could it be that stuff at 56kHz is being aliased to a lower frequency in the ear? Or that there is a standing wave resonance within the ear at that frequency? Or that the hair resonate at that frequency? Michael From ???@??? Tue Mar 10 21:18:04 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 12:29:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCVe6-0000ja-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:29:06 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980310220422.299fc752@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:04:22 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Folk, cases and the spice girls In-Reply-To: <35050CD8.2739@delphi.com> References: <3.0.1.16.19980309232602.1faf1728@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QFXgdC.A.zMH.2DaB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4116 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:29:06 -0800 X-UIDL: a360e062fbadc22e8e6df97ba9e10cb2 John Pollock: >Marcuse adds that while bray harps were obsolete on the continent by >1700, "Talbot (ca. 1700) could still write of the Welsh harp and its >brays, 'which give it a jarring sound.' Ah, another peice of my Welsh heritage I've found I've lost... :( >Hey-- guess where Pollock House is? :-) I'm taking a wild guess here.... when I drive home I drive through the Glaswegian suburbs of Pollockshaws and Pollockshields... I'm pretty sure we have a pollock museum somewhere... So, looks like you've Glaswegian roots, John! Ever get the urge to headbutt people? Some Michael or other: >Well, well... Finally the folkies come out of the closet. And a happy threesome >we are! Well, fol-de-rol! Hey-nonny-nonny! I actually don't have a folky background, but have consistently played it since about 1993! My current band is a Ceilidh (scottish dance music) outfit - yes, we do have a fiddler - and my last band did Steeleye Span covers. I'll stick my neck out here and say that over here, Folk musos are fare more adventurous than the Jazz lot, especially over the last 10-20 years; a prime example is the band Iona, who have a Stick player (Nick Beggs) and featured ROBERT FRIPP playing LOOPED SOUNDSCAPES on ane album (note unsubtle LD-relevant comments!), or the hiphop/celtic crossover of Shooglenifty and (to a lesser extent) Capercaillie. Enya will not be mentioned. >I actually play out mucho more w/folk than electric. This I might attempt to >remedy in the near future! I have way too much electric gear to not somehow gig >with it to justify it all! No, go the whole hog and play folk ON your electic! Remember Richard Thompson et al... On to cases: Everybody recommended the SKB pedalboard with rackspaces. Nice.. but four hundred dollars????? Trevor commented: >My problem is that my rig always wants to tip forward. I have a Rolls >Tube preamp, Jammy, and Quadroverb. My skb case is about three time as >deep as it needs to be. According to their catalogue (and www-page), they do make shallow cases. Michael PS: The last word goes to DT: >both frisell & myself have been hired to *play* on the next spice girls cd. Great! Now I can watch Spice Girls videos with the sound turned up!! "Tell me what you want, what you really really want...." ZZZZZZOOOWWWMMMdakadakadakaBOOMwibblywibblywiblley..... :) From ???@??? Wed Mar 11 09:56:48 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 22:37:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCf8p-0000xg-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:37:27 -0800 From: Texture444 Message-ID: <3f82827b.35063025@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:33:07 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DT, BF and various Michaels Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"AzIweD.A._i.iBjB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4135 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:37:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 59c6932ea98105ad0604ede446bac4e9 >Please David, pleeease, DO IT! >YoumustyoumustyoumustyoumustyouMUST!!!! :):):):):) >Don't deprive those future generations. >It's not just a record, it's a _responsibility_! well: that concept was a *long* time ago, and much water has passed under il ponte, ya know! but: thanks for the support, yo. From ???@??? Wed Mar 11 09:56:49 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 10 23:11:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCffe-0003qj-00; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:11:22 -0800 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:06:16 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: AW: Notes on the Profiles site Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199803110207_MC2-3653-D3B2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"I76xVD.A.QUD.shjB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4136 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:11:22 -0800 X-UIDL: ea63270d9ed5894feb1fedd822ff9340 >Also, there has been interest in having links to (real-audio?) sound files >from the loopers site. It would be easy for me to add a field which >provides these links. One track per person? No. I think we should set up a (probably non-automatic) dedicated realaudio listening page with links to people's homepages plus direct links to their various tracks. If nobody else volunteers to do it, I will. michael peters mpeters@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters.htm From ???@??? Wed Mar 11 09:56:50 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 00:00:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCgQt-00073M-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:00:11 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980311015703.007fe100@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:57:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: echoplex - hi freq overload In-Reply-To: <19980311010800.27987.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ODykiD.A.FVG.lPkB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4137 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:00:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 6c9cc1e33aa7deb2d3b71aae8623316b Is there a schematic available for the EDP analog section? Do the converters in the EDP use emphasis? Is the clip LED driven from the analog signal, or the MSB? At 05:08 PM 3/10/98 -0800, you wrote: >Recently I started looping my Alesis HR-16 drums with the echoplex dp. > Prior to that I had input mostly bass guitar, and electric guitar. > >While looping high hats and cymbals, I noticed that I have to be very >careful with the input level (keep input LED only green), or I get an >unpleasant distortion. Per the input LED I seem to be able to input a >much larger signal for bass drums (or bass guitar and guitar) and >snare than the cymbals. > >Further, it looks like the LED for input level, and the LED for >Feedback level do not correspond very well with one another. The >input LED seems to register lower than the feedback LED. That is to >say, when starting a loop, if I set the input level so that the input >LED shows only green, then the feedback LED will still go orange or >red (with high freq signals). This occurs before the loop has grown >beyond the initial input. > >I have not done the R7 - 75k 5% 1/4w CF modifications to the clipping >indication on input LED, nor any of the limiter circuit modifications >(r20,r21, or the resistor tacked to bottom of PCBA ala Kim). > >Would any of these mods help with my apparent high frequency overload >sensitivity? Any other suggestions to resolve this? > >bret >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From ???@??? Wed Mar 11 09:56:54 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 00:27:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCgrT-0000lD-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:27:39 -0800 From: TritoneDW Message-ID: <168f8ffd.35064a11@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:23:42 EST To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Young Loopy Girls Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"10jjj.A.ce.qpkB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4138 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:27:39 -0800 X-UIDL: c2ee90c2e1fbe3902eadb20364b16841 << Hey Ken, I have a 5-year old daughter and when she and I are in a good mood, we sometimes do looping sessions together. >> I think we have CD #4 in the works here--Daughter of Loopers Delight! My daughter started doing loops (with a little help from dad) at the tender age of 15 months. Guitar AND vocals (talent!). Now if I could just get the Cheerios out of my SM-57... Drew W. From ???@??? Wed Mar 11 09:57:52 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 01:09:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yChVu-0003Gk-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:09:26 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980311090343.009434a0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:03:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex - hi freq overload Resent-Message-ID: <"crHTJD.A.9rC.4PlB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4139 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:09:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 9577e06c2e03bb313613619b998e8bbf At 05:08 PM 3/10/98 -0800, Bret wrote: >Recently I started looping my Alesis HR-16 drums with the echoplex dp. > Prior to that I had input mostly bass guitar, and electric guitar. hey, I loop my old HR-16B sometimes. I like that old guy. I'm a sucker for live reverse snare. Not to mention micro length delays with lots of feedback. You'd never imagine a simple drum machine could be so fun..... >While looping high hats and cymbals, I noticed that I have to be very >careful with the input level (keep input LED only green), or I get an >unpleasant distortion. Per the input LED I seem to be able to input a >much larger signal for bass drums (or bass guitar and guitar) and >snare than the cymbals. The loop section is more sensitive to high frequency sounds. If you experience that high freq clipping, you just need to turn down the input a bit, and it'll clean up. We did use preemphasis/deemphasis around the convertors, which is why high frequencies will tend to clip before lower frequencies do. The point of it was to shape the noise out of the convertors to be less noticeable. (another perceptual thing, high frequency noise is more irritating and noticeable). The level LED on older units is a bit misleading. The orange and red points were set too high, so it didn't indicate clipping soon enough. You mentioned changing R7 to 75k, that will set the LED in a better range. It will also help it match the feedback LED better. People had a lot of trouble with that, because you naturally want to set it where it's just turning red, like you would with tape. And in the old case that was way too much. It's better to put it where it's just turning orange. I think they changed this in the production, so is shouldn't be so much a problem on newer units. Still, I always put it where it's just hitting orange, so there's a little headroom. Setting it with the drum machine would be fairly easy, just set up a sequence with crash cymbals at max volume, and on the plex turn the the mix to wet, feedback to min, and set a real short loop with overdub on. Then you will be hearing the input entirely through the digital section and it should be easy to set the level right. When the cymbal sounds normal, that's the right spot. It's easy to get this clipping with guitar distortion effects too, so be careful not to turn the input level up too much in that case too. You basically want to set the gain with the worst case sound, which is the one with the most high frequency stuff. If you do the gain mods on the web page, it's much easier to deal with. The original version had way too much input gain and not enough output, in my opinion. The gain mods are a great improvement. I think Oberheim has made these changes in production now, so I think the newer units should be a lot easier to handle. Of course, I can never be real sure what they are and are not doing, so if the input seems too sensitive and the output too wimpy, get out yer soldering iron.... kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 11 09:57:54 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 01:17:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yChe7-00046J-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:17:55 -0800 X-Sender: jtaylor@scsn.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: jtaylor@scsn.net (Jay Taylor) Subject: need help getting off the list Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 04:11:57 -0500 Message-ID: <19980311091156763.AAA116@jtaylor> Resent-Message-ID: <"8ugYr.A.rjD.gYlB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4140 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:17:55 -0800 X-UIDL: a2f6b0b33bc95060c0963a6494d47fdc hi. how do i get off the list? From ???@??? Wed Mar 11 09:57:55 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 01:21:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yChht-0004ZJ-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:21:49 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980311091641.0095ab10@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:16:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: AW: Notes on the Profiles site Resent-Message-ID: <"uLkkfC.A.x-D.EclB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4141 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:21:49 -0800 X-UIDL: dde50ce2f96dcc4db3e6a873eec7a803 At 02:06 AM 3/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Also, there has been interest in having links to (real-audio?) sound files >>from the loopers site. It would be easy for me to add a field which >>provides these links. > >One track per person? No. I think we should set up a (probably >non-automatic) dedicated realaudio listening page with links to people's >homepages plus direct links to their various tracks. If nobody else >volunteers to do it, I will. Personally, I'd like to be be browsing through the profiles and just click a RA link directly from the profile. The browsing/listening would be much quicker that way, and I could quickly go to many people's tracks. And if I'm interested I might want to go on to their web site. We can probably talk Chris into adding a feature to the profiles site where you click a button and it sorts out name, web link, and real audio links into a single list. That way people would only have to enter their info in one place on the profiles page and could easily update it whenever they like, and people browsing could choose the way they want to view it. thoughts? any other ideas for the web site? Any other volunteer developers? If you want to help out, there's plenty of stuff to do! kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 11 09:57:55 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 01:49:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCi8L-0005i3-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:49:09 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980311033810.00807100@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:38:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: need help getting off the list In-Reply-To: <19980311091156763.AAA116@jtaylor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"icvPwD.A.pKF.Y2lB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4142 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:49:09 -0800 X-UIDL: d3522f2808f1056edeedf2bfa19a09d2 At 04:11 AM 3/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >hi. >how do i get off the list? > Would someone PLEASE tell me how to unsubscribe from this list??? Heres how to unsubscribe: First, ask your Internet Provider to mail you an Unsubscribing Kit. Then follow these directions. The kit will most likely be the standard no-fault type. Depending on requirements, System A and/or System B can be used. When operating System A, depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber will be dispensed through the slot immediately underneath. When you have fastened the adhesive lip, attach connection marked by the large "X" outlet hose. Twist the silver- coloured ring one inch below the connection point until you feel it lock. The kit is now ready for use. The Cin-Eliminator is activated by the small switch on the lip. When securing, twist the ring back to its initial condition, so that the two orange lines meet. Disconnect. Place the dalkron unsubscriber in the vacuum receptacle to the rear. Activate by pressing the blue button. The controls for System B are located on the opposite side. The red release switch places the Cin-Eliminator into position; it can be adjusted manually up or down by pressing the blue manual release button. The opening is self- adjusting. To secure after use, press the green button, which simultaneously activates the evaporator and returns the Cin-Eliminator to its storage position. You may log off if the green exit light is on over the evaporator . If the red light is illuminated, one of the Cin-Eliminator requirements has not been properly implemented. Press the "List Guy" call button on the right of the evaporator . He will secure all facilities from his control panel. To use the Auto-Unsub, first undress and place all your clothes in the clothes rack. Put on the velcro slippers located in the cabinet immediately below. Enter the shower, taking the entire kit with you. On the control panel to your upper right upon entering you will see a "Shower seal" button. Press to activate. A green light will then be illuminated immediately below. On the intensity knob, select the desired setting. Now depress the Auto-Unsub activation lever. Bathe normally. The Auto-Unsub will automatically go off after three minutes unless you activate the "Manual off" override switch by flipping it up. When you are ready to leave, press the blue "Shower seal" release button. The door will open and you may leave. Please remove the velcro slippers and place them in their container. If you prefer the ultrasonic log-off mode, press the indicated blue button. When the twin panels open, pull forward by rings A & B. The knob to the left, just below the blue light, has three settings, low, medium or high. For normal use, the medium setting is suggested. After these settings have been made, you can activate the device by switching to the "ON" position the clearly marked red switch. If during the unsubscribing operation, you wish to change the settings, place the "manual off" override switch in the "OFF" position. You may now make the change and repeat the cycle. When the green exit light goes on, you may log off and have lunch. Please close the door behind you. From ???@??? Wed Mar 11 09:57:57 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 03:16:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCjVA-0001ni-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:16:48 -0800 Message-ID: <35067100.88A3C312@infobiogen.fr> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:09:56 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:ears References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gsqBoC.A.wdB.YInB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4143 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:16:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 4c055f834de89386d1f228c7cefb01eb This is a post Sean sent me. In fact after I checked, my memory failed me, Sean got the real story here: That lead open the debate about possibility to "hear" over 20 kHz, was it after effects of these frequencie we hear on lower ones doesn't change a thing... But n its true form sthis story is anyway quite.... interesting to say the least! >It is the story of a great world wide known Sound Engineer (whose name >escapes me at the time, but I can look for it) who had trouble with a >big Neve or SSL mixing desk (but can one still use the word "desk"?). He >felt something uncomfortable in the high end without being able to >pinpoint what. In the end after testing of the unit. The people of >(either Neve or SSL) discovered that the unit had on a few inputs, some >bad soldering things that created a frequency peak at ... 56 KHz! who knows what the truth is here... but from the rec.audio.pro FAQ: For example, there is an apocryphal story about Rupert Neve that tells of a console channel that sounded particularly "bad". It was later discovered that it was oscillating at some ultrasonic frequency, like 48 kHz. Rupert Neve is rumored to have seized upon this as "proof" that the ear can hear well beyond 20 kHz. However, there exist an entire range of perfectly plausible mechanisms that require NO ultrasonic acuity to detect such a problem. For example, the existence of ANY nonlinearity in the system would result in the production of intermodulation tones that would fall well within the 20 kHz audio band and certainly would make it sound awful. Even the problem that was causing the oscillation itself could lead to massive artifacts at much lower frequencies that would completely account for the alleged sound of the mixer in the complete absence of a 48 kHz "whistle." Whether 20 kHz is an adequate bandwidth is a debatable subject. However, several important facts have to be remembered. First, BOTH analog AND digital reproduction systems suffer from roughly the same bandwidth limiting. Second, digital systems using properly implemented oversampling techniques have far less severe phase and frequency response errors within the audible band. No analog storage and reproduction system can match the phase and response linearity of a digital system, both at low and high frequencies. Once those demonstrable facts are acknowledged, then the discussion about supra-20 kHz aural detectability can continue, knowing that, if it is demonstrated to be significant, both systems are provably deficient. don't look at me, man, I don't write this stuff, I just read it. Sean Barrett From ???@??? Wed Mar 11 09:58:02 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 05:42:03 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCllh-0000Bz-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 05:42:01 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yClfj-0003Px-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 05:35:51 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCllc-0000BQ-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 05:41:56 -0800 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:39:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803111339.IAA12269@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: re:getting off Resent-Message-ID: <"JTAd_B.A.TOH.LQpB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4144 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 05:41:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 22550260422d23b4629c844d9f8b9e81 At 03:38 AM 3/11/98 -0600, you wrote: >At 04:11 AM 3/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >>hi. >>how do i get off the list? >> >Would someone PLEASE tell me how to unsubscribe from this list??? > >Heres how to unsubscribe: > >First, ask your Internet Provider to mail you an Unsubscribing Kit. >Then follow these directions. > >The kit will most likely be the standard no-fault type. Depending on >requirements, System A and/or System B can be used. When operating >System A, depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber . . . SNIP Chuck, you're brutal ;) remembering that I was a newbie just yesterday, I posted him privately have separate form letters for unsubscribing, the "don't open this e-mail" virus ruse and something EXTRA special for persistent, scumbag Spammers . . . Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Wed Mar 11 09:58:03 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 06:42:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCmi4-0003xu-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:42:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:40:49 +0000 Message-ID: <000F1707.001424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Re: Folk, etc To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"JWSndC.A.mYD.aIqB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4145 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:42:20 -0800 X-UIDL: ed9c6c33275354308ce1829b849d3ee4 Michael phd stuck his neck out (must be that `lopping axe' crack!) and said > that over here, Folk musos are fare more adventurous than the Jazz lot, > especially over the last 10-20 years; a prime example is the band Iona, > who have a Stick player (Nick Beggs) and featured ROBERT FRIPP playing > LOOPED SOUNDSCAPES on ane album (note unsubtle LD-relevant comments!), or > the hiphop/celtic crossover of Shooglenifty and (to a lesser extent) > Capercaillie. What - more adventurous than Cortney Pine's latest work with DJs and remixers; Steve Williamson's efforts in this area; Martin Speake's group(s) with guitarist John Paricelli, and JP's contribution to the Iain Ballamy group; Billy Jenkins & the Voice of God Collective; the Arguelles bothers; and other ex-Loose Tubes alumni? Not quite sure what the `Jazz lot' up your way are into, but there's a bit more than just Tommy Smith and Martin Taylor (both of whom are obviously fine musicians with CDs in my collection) going on elsewhere, dont ya know! David ("Bill - careful with that axe..." yewww...) From ???@??? Wed Mar 11 09:58:10 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 09:48:00 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCpbh-0005my-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:47:57 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCpVi-0003FA-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:41:46 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCpbZ-0005m6-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:47:49 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: AW: Notes on the Profiles site Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:38:59 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4d14$9341f560$64004382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"atV-O.A.HoE.4ysB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4146 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:47:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 4ba7f50f6f9d9fe5193a01320c3cc1d4 Hi folks , I have one question regarding the Profiles. What are they? Yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Wed Mar 11 10:50:13 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 10:24:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCqBM-0002P2-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:24:48 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bd4d14$9341f560$64004382@pentium-200> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:15:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: SV: AW: Notes on the Profiles site Resent-Message-ID: <"iJEuu.A.lKB.GTtB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4147 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:24:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 33163f4b330778e70431a9957fe2d8a9 At 6:38 PM +0100 3/11/98, Woehni wrote: >Hi folks , I have one question regarding the Profiles. > >What are they? > >Yours , Thomas W you can go to the website here: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html and click on the "Loopers of the World" link, and see for yourself! or go directly with this link: http://www.annihilist.com/cgi_bin/profiles.cgi enjoy, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 11 10:50:15 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 10:28:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCqFA-0002u7-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:28:44 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980311091156763.AAA116@jtaylor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:17:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: need help getting off the list Resent-Message-ID: <"vsINhC.A.igB.0VtB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4148 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:28:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 8084dc1c06e5872031cca2f2cd8a36fc At 4:11 AM -0500 3/11/98, Jay Taylor wrote: >hi. >how do i get off the list? this page on the website has all list related details: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 02:38:45 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 11:41:00 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCrN3-0003aU-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:40:57 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCrH4-0000DQ-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:34:46 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCrMw-0003Zg-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:40:50 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2928B71B@NTSRV2> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: VORTEX & MPX 100 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:40:39 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"UPJRhD.A.TrC.kduB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4150 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:40:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 3f39b9c91dd2c20f3179c445c3e3c52b LooseBruce said:"I ran into a Vortex at a local music store (ouch)for only $150.The problem is that it is noisy and the led's flicker a little when you turn the register knobs.I've used Vortexs before and I know they are not this noisy.Does anyone have any ideas if it would be worthwhile to try and fix it or have it repaired?The footswitches were not included.Any info would be appreciated. > > The noise is like transistor amp noise (shshsh) and you can hear the > chorusing for example." > Followed up by a troubled and worried Thomas with:"Hi , this had me thinking. Can you hear the noise modulating with the phaser/chorus? > Does the unit emit high cracles when you turn the input knob? > Mine does all of these things , but I tought it was just the way it > came from the factory??" > to which LooseBruce responded with:"Yes and no.Yes, you can hear the noise modulating with the chorus.However > you can hear this to some degreee on a properly operating vortex.This > same > noise is excessive on this unit.No, I don't hear crackling when I > adjust > the input knob.That is usually indicative of dust in the control pot." > and then Todd Pafford chimed in with:"I can't tell you what the problem is, but I can tell you that's not how they come from the factory. :) Mine is noise free." Here is my reply: Todd is correct. There was no intention of the machine shipping with such noises from the factory though it is entirely possible that some machines were shipped with problems. If Bruce is interested in purchasing the problematic Vortex he can then have it returned to Lexicon for repair at the flat rate of US$95.00 plus shipping. I suggest to Thomas that you contact our distributor in Norway, Siv Ing Benum & Co., at 22-139-900. and arrange for the repair of his Vortex. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 P.S. to those interested in the MPX 100, I am arranging to more information on the product which I will forward to the list. We are expecting to ship in May at a list of US$250. From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 02:38:43 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 10:52:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCqcA-0005rH-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:52:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199803111840.MAA18476@legend.sat.txdirect.net> X-Sender: zom@mail.txdirect.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Demo Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:42:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: zom Subject: music distro???? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"UthqOB.A.VSE.8rtB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4149 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:52:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 1f58c897741741a393d43afc67ad957e OK loopers, here's my challenge for you----- I am seeking addresses (e mail and snail, along with phone #'s if possible) for stores in your respective areas who buy independent music or sell on consignment. I'm compiling a list for future publication here and elsewhere that will give all of us struggling musician-types a guide to who's willing to try selling your/my/our stuff. So if you have ANY information, send it to me privatley at zom@txdirect.net and thanks for helping! DIY electronic music, Zineage, and more: http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/ From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 02:40:02 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 18:45:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCxzU-0002LU-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:45:04 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:05:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: New DOD rack units Resent-Message-ID: <"VnQkD.A.AoB.fs0B1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4155 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:45:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 8d9f7fcf95d6e5eb76406681bf3a52f5 On 3/11/98 Adam Levin wrote: >In the latest American Musical Supply Catalog there's a couple of new rack >delay units from DOD. One has 24 seconds of delay with mention of loop >mode and tap tempo. Price was around $275. Knowing how AMS started >advertising the DOD-FX98 loop pedal months before it was in production, >I'd guess that it'll be awhile before anyone can get there mits on these >bad boys. Also, no signs of these units on DOD's (or AMS's, for that >matter) web site. > I remember seeing the ad for the Jam Man a few months before they were in the stores. A slaes rep at Chuck Levin's told me this was a fairly common practice to get us talkinga bout the gear. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 02:38:54 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 12:58:31 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCsa5-0004nW-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:58:29 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCsU8-0003RO-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:52:20 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCsa0-0004mq-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:58:24 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980311115857.00a595e0@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:58:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: need help getting off the list In-Reply-To: <19980311091156763.AAA116@jtaylor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ojz9UB.A.I1D._mvB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4152 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:58:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 95f79c9e3b5e6c9c1f04398fca77e5cd Ok - Chuck already beat me to the punch, but here's a different take on the same question... At 04:11 AM 3/11/98 -0500, jtaylor wrote: >hi. >how do i get off the list? > Well, It's a bit complex but if you managed to sign yourself on then I think you can manage: 1) Contact your ISP and tell them that you would like to cancel your internet service because loopers-delight is not working for you (I know, sounds odd, but they will understand) 2) Contact kim and let him know that what you've experienced so far has been good and that you're not worried about all the little things that you can't control but you just don't have time to try and understand his messages. Make sure to send the message at least 50 times because he's so busy in his intellectual studies that he may lose your message in all the quantum physics e-mail he gets 3) If you're running Win95 then go to and on the Configuration palette highlight each of the listed clients, adapters & protocols and each one, this will deinstall the loopers-delight protocol parameters 4) You shouldn't have to reboot your computer, but if it asks you to then accept and let the machine reboot 5) Go back into the Control Panel and into , select the Device Manager palette and scroll down and double click on Modem. Highlight your modem listing and select . This is actually one of Microsofts numerous misnomers, in that it won't actually remove your modem settings but it *will* remove any resident TCP/IP loopers-delight applications and clear the memory blocks from the last performed step (i.e. - removing the loopers-delight parameters) From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 02:38:50 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 12:32:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCsAw-0001dq-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:32:30 -0800 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:26:27 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: New DOD rack units Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Y_wYSD.A.X6.vOvB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4151 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:32:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 859198ec13b22aada8e7c639a2a6828f In the latest American Musical Supply Catalog there's a couple of new rack delay units from DOD. One has 24 seconds of delay with mention of loop mode and tap tempo. Price was around $275. Knowing how AMS started advertising the DOD-FX98 loop pedal months before it was in production, I'd guess that it'll be awhile before anyone can get there mits on these bad boys. Also, no signs of these units on DOD's (or AMS's, for that matter) web site. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti The Dark Aether Project: http://www.ari.net/prog/bands/dap/ From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 02:38:57 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 13:29:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCt4A-0000pw-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:29:34 -0800 Message-ID: <35070165.BEB73316@aznet.net> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:25:57 -0800 From: Adam Tuckerman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New DOD rack units (description thereof) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"str71C.A.QQ.0EwB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4153 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:29:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 22179cbab83c8de3d12cb913b2a937e8 The new DOD rack unit is as follows (copied from the Spring '98 AMS catalog): DOD Dimension12 The Dimension 12 sampling delay processor provides 24 seconds of sampling at, literally, the touch of a button. Configured as either 4 bands of 6-second sampling or 2 banks of 12 second sampling, you start and stop sampling with buttons on the front panel and you adjust edit points with the large jog/shuttle dial. Tap Tempo, Stutter and Loop buttons, also on the front panel, make the Dimension 12 and ideal tool for DJs and home studio owners. A large LED on the front panel shows delay time and you can even produced gated/reverse delay effects. Quite simply, nothing beats the Dimension 12 when it comes to quick & easy sampling. #DOD12........................................$239.95 From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 02:40:00 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 16:40:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCw32-0005lG-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:40:36 -0800 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:36:21 -0800 (PST) From: Neal To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: need help getting off the list In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980311033810.00807100@wavefront.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"n0H79.A.n9E.r4yB1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4154 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:40:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 98652c930d2254721db0db7c6b68adb7 You're mean N On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Chuck Zwicky wrote: > At 04:11 AM 3/11/98 -0500, you wrote: > >hi. > >how do i get off the list? > > > Would someone PLEASE tell me how to unsubscribe from this list??? > > Heres how to unsubscribe: > > First, ask your Internet Provider to mail you an Unsubscribing Kit. > Then follow these directions. > > The kit will most likely be the standard no-fault type. Depending on > requirements, System A and/or System B can be used. When operating > System A, depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber will be > dispensed through the slot immediately underneath. When you have > fastened the adhesive lip, attach connection marked by the large "X" > outlet hose. Twist the silver- coloured ring one inch below the > connection point until you feel it lock. > > The kit is now ready for use. The Cin-Eliminator is activated by the > small switch on the lip. When securing, twist the ring back to its > initial condition, so that the two orange lines meet. Disconnect. > Place the dalkron unsubscriber in the vacuum receptacle to the rear. > Activate by pressing the blue button. > > The controls for System B are located on the opposite side. The red > release switch places the Cin-Eliminator into position; it can be > adjusted manually up or down by pressing the blue manual release > button. The opening is self- adjusting. To secure after use, press > the green button, which simultaneously activates the evaporator and > returns the Cin-Eliminator to its storage position. > > You may log off if the green exit light is on over the evaporator . > If the red light is illuminated, one of the Cin-Eliminator > requirements has not been properly implemented. Press the "List Guy" > call button on the right of the evaporator . He will secure all > facilities from his control panel. > > To use the Auto-Unsub, first undress and place all your clothes in > the clothes rack. Put on the velcro slippers located in the cabinet > immediately below. Enter the shower, taking the entire kit with you. > On the control panel to your upper right upon entering you will see a > "Shower seal" button. Press to activate. A green light will then be > illuminated immediately below. On the intensity knob, select the > desired setting. Now depress the Auto-Unsub activation lever. Bathe > normally. > > The Auto-Unsub will automatically go off after three minutes unless > you activate the "Manual off" override switch by flipping it up. When > you are ready to leave, press the blue "Shower seal" release button. > The door will open and you may leave. Please remove the velcro > slippers and place them in their container. > > If you prefer the ultrasonic log-off mode, press the indicated blue > button. When the twin panels open, pull forward by rings A & B. The > knob to the left, just below the blue light, has three settings, low, > medium or high. For normal use, the medium setting is suggested. > > After these settings have been made, you can activate the device by > switching to the "ON" position the clearly marked red switch. If > during the unsubscribing operation, you wish to change the settings, > place the "manual off" override switch in the "OFF" position. You may > now make the change and repeat the cycle. When the green exit light > goes on, you may log off and have lunch. Please close the door behind > you. > > > > From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 02:40:09 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 19:07:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCyKs-0004ri-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:07:10 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980311210203.0068f2cc@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:02:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: need help getting off the list In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19980311033810.00807100@wavefront.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bx8GzB.A.YyD.c_0B1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4156 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:07:10 -0800 X-UIDL: b9ed87e5929d0e658d355d1d93c7ff54 To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 02:40:10 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 19:07:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCyLJ-0004v3-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:07:37 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980311210216.00696578@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:02:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: SV: AW: Notes on the Profiles site In-Reply-To: <01bd4d14$9341f560$64004382@pentium-200> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fzxnXB.A.Q1D.x_0B1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4157 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:07:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 73728722899d1f4fce587a3085607cc7 At 06:38 PM 11-03-98 +0100, you wrote: >Hi folks , I have one question regarding the Profiles. > >What are they? > On Looper's Delight, how did you miss them, or are you joking? Go to Looper's of the World then go to view list of loopers, etc. They are profiles of esteemed loopheads around the world, Loop Guru's Jamuud is among them. Somewhere you won't find me. You can create your own. I = neophyte. And I try not to ask questions or even write, in this consumer target audience, DJs are not so much a part of this. > > > From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 02:40:11 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 21:23:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yD0Sd-0000YC-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:23:19 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD4D33.42E1B140.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: ears (and links) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:17:02 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rJUyRD.A.gJ.DC3B1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4159 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:23:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 136fa9492edce5e082436d576c70defe Trevor wrote: >I would like to thank you guys for putting the effort into this thread- >I think this my be one of the most interesting discussions we've had. I >am pleased that I've had the chance to soak a lot of this up. No kidding. Really exceptional contributions. Welcome to Loopers U, online! Also, thanks John S. for the "Music and Your Mind", and "Science and Music" book recommendations. (Sir James Jeans was a man of many talents. A Carl Sagan of the 1920's, he also wrote what was perhaps the most popular astronomy book of his day, "The Universe Around Us.") Until I get a chance to go to the library, I've put in a little time cruisin the net for more info on psychoacoustics, etc. Here's just a smattering of URLs; most likely nuthin new for the list's much appreciated technowizards (you guys probably had these bookmarked before you learned to walk, right? %^). But for us the rest of us mortals, there may be something useful. What I have not yet located are substantive references to how non-harmonic distortion components affect physiological response and perception -- including gender differences. If anyone comes across that sort of information, even peripheral, I'd really appreciate it if you'd let me know. If I find anything meaningful, I'll post it back to the list. Thanks! ciao, laurie ****************************************************************** Experimental Psychology Prof Chris Darwin's home page. http://www.biols.susx.ac.uk/Home/Chris_Darwin/ Go down to "Teaching", and click on "Lecture Notes". This is from a 2nd year course in hearing and perception. Very comprehensive. Rudimentary, beginning college level 101 technical essays on sound and electronic music, from U of California at Santa Cruz. Take note, all you proud moms and pops raising enlightened little loopers and loopettes. They'll be ready for this all too soon... http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/tech_background/tech_background.html Chris Plack's ear page. He's a psychoacoustician, doing some interesting research. http://epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk/Home/Chris_Plack/welcome.html Kim mentioned CNMAT at UC Berkeley. Don't miss this one. http://cnmat.cnmat.berkeley.edu/Research/ and Director David Wessel: http://cnmat.cnmat.berkeley.edu/News/ He's researching a tongue-triggered midi controller, among other things... Journal of the Audio Engineering Society. Their articles are indexed, but full text is not available online. http://www.aes.org/journal/ Auditory home page. Adjunct to Auditory list, discussion group for organizational aspects of auditory perception. Archives, links, etc. http://sound.media.mit.edu/~dpwe/AUDITORY Design philosophy and background info from Audio Note amplifiers. In "The Negative Effects of Feedback", section "The Problem", can be found a condensed description of (among other things) harmonic, non-harmonic, and time base distortion. Lengthy discussion on amplifiers. http://www.audionote.co.uk/anp2.html >From lists@slip.net Wed Mar 11 21:51:13 1998 From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 02:40:14 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 22:35:20 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yD1aI-0006Mv-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:35:18 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yD1UJ-0000ZL-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:29:07 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yD1aB-0006M4-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:35:11 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980312063126.00c31e58@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:31:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: ears (and links) Resent-Message-ID: <"N_67iB.A.TnF.bF4B1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4160 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:35:11 -0800 X-UIDL: f7b29122952c620659f4bdaaa1b2c6b5 Hey Laurie, nice set of links there..... At 09:17 PM 3/11/98 -0800, Laurie Hatch wrote: >****************************************************************** >Experimental Psychology Prof Chris Darwin's home page. >http://www.biols.susx.ac.uk/Home/Chris_Darwin/ >Go down to "Teaching", and click on "Lecture Notes". This is from a 2nd year >course in hearing and perception. Very comprehensive. On this fellow's excellent page may be part of the answer, specifically here: http://www.biols.susx.ac.uk/Home/Chris_Darwin/Perception/Lecture_Notes/Heari ng3/hearing3.html#RTFToC6 where he discusses combination tones. a summary: In a person with healthy hearing, when two tones fairly close in frequency are played, a third tone can be heard. If the two input tones are F1 and F2, the third tone will be 2F1 - F2. This is called the cubic difference tone. This will probably not be harmonically related to either tone, and will therefore could sound very dissonant. He also notes that people suffering from hearing loss will not experience this. (he explains why, go read it.) By coincidence, I saw David Wessel tonight and asked him if he knew an answer, and he mentioned this same effect as a possibility. (he also noted there is much debate on the subject, and there are no hard answers.) He also noted that in older population groups, men usually suffer from considerably more hearing loss than women. (it's not clear if this is due to lifestyle, which may therefore be changing, or physiological differences.) So men will have more hearing loss than similarly aged women, and therefore will not experience this third tone effect as much as women will. So maybe that's part of the answer. As to why these dissonances result in discomfort, I have no idea..... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 02:40:11 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 11 19:49:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yCyzj-0000cC-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:49:23 -0800 From: pisko@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <3507840B.1890@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:43:23 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: physical modeling References: <01bd4a32$016ec9e0$7b414382@hovard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ivd3pC.A.IF.Tp1B1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4158 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:49:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 52e65b5b937b441159b4d9bbd915e183 Woehni wrote: > > Hi , this isn`t exactly loopology , but I was wondering if any of you have checked out > the Roland VG-8 or as similar "physical modeling" Devices (like the Johnson Millenium)?? I own the Line6 Axsys212. I have owned this amp for about 1 year now. Befrore I bought it I had been a 10 long dedicated tube amp purist. But the praticallity (I was giging alot last year) and neat ear candy (not everything I want but more than enough for the rock band I was in at the time (Red40Lake)).) From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 02:40:14 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 01:23:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yD4Cu-0000bJ-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 01:23:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3507B6CB.91FB0473@infobiogen.fr> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:20:00 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gear Acquisition Syndrome and other beauties References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G_L4y.A.2X.Ck6B1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4161 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 01:23:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 84baafb6888a4bfd04b655d3bc76c142 as Patrick said: "I remember seeing the ad for the Jam Man a few months before they were in the stores. A slaes rep at Chuck Levin's told me this was a fairly common practice to get us talkinga bout the gear." Like they needed that! We even talk about gear that doesn't exist! Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 09:54:00 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 08:42:49 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDB49-0005oy-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:42:45 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDAy8-0005m4-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:36:32 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDB3w-0005n1-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:42:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199803121624.IAA07108@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: ears & more Date: Thu, 12 Mar 98 10:26:02 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"8LcnrB.A.90D.d3AC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4167 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:42:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 48a7bda2a938c5107806957b907f91d1 >do you hear a sound in your head? > >I've gotten some very interesting answers to this question, usually from >musicians and artists. To be clear, I don't mean tinnitus or any similar >malady. I believe that John Cage called it the sound of the nervous system >working. Different people's perception/non-perception of the phenomenon is >quite varied and curious. I think tinnitus is defined as any persistant sound heard by a person which is not generated by an external source. I used to try and comfort myself at night that I was just hearing the sound of my nervous system or the collective hum of the universe, but eventually it became clear that I had a touch of tinnitus. Tinnitus is so commonplace in the post-Walkman, industrial world, that it's possible that everyone you'll ask has it to some degree. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 02:40:15 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 02:28:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yD5Dn-0004pn-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:28:19 -0800 Message-ID: <3507B8FD.73EA1CDF@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 05:29:17 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andre@monmouth.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar schematix References: <199803110323.WAA12840@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PA2RlB.A.WGE.wf7B1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4162 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:28:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 90e64d8aa8338a315251d659771feda5 Thats the one but I cant figure out what to unzip them with.Anybody? Jeff andre wrote: > olivier, > > is this the schematic page you were looking for??? > > http://nyquist.ee.ualberta.ca/~charro/cookbook/audio/guitar/ > > hope so. > > peace, andre' From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 09:54:03 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 09:42:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDC0O-00072w-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:42:56 -0800 Message-ID: <3507D7CA.2A88@nyfac.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:40:42 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers References: <019d01bd4dd4$85be7920$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NytJIB.A.odF.hyBC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4169 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:42:56 -0800 X-UIDL: a7c562d4d4d63c68aa989256e5b72be2 I have a Champ that was made by a friend of mine, with one 8"(?) jensen. It has the perfect frequency curve, IMHO. I love the punchy high end on 10" speakers, but I don't like all the bottom end they put out. Twelves are good too, but I have always wanted to have a 60 watt or so 4x8 cab. Trevor From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 09:53:58 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 07:58:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDANc-0006YB-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:58:48 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980312063126.00c31e58@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:51:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: ears & more Resent-Message-ID: <"dqw_GC.A.5FF.XSAC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4165 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:58:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 27143ffce927ae4071aa746b85aa2245 >In a person with healthy hearing, when two tones fairly close in frequency >are played, a third tone can be heard. If the two input tones are F1 and F2, >the third tone will be 2F1 - F2. This is called the cubic difference tone. >(etc.) Now this is really getting off topic I guess, but with all the talk here about ears & perception of sound I'd like to ask the following of you intelligent people: do you hear a sound in your head? I've gotten some very interesting answers to this question, usually from musicians and artists. To be clear, I don't mean tinnitus or any similar malady. I believe that John Cage called it the sound of the nervous system working. Different people's perception/non-perception of the phenomenon is quite varied and curious. I may have asked this question before on this list, can't remember; if so, please excuse the redundancy. Deja vu is also a very interesting phenomenon (though a bit of a stretch for the Looper's list, eh?). David Myers From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 09:54:00 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 08:42:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDB3u-0005mb-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:42:30 -0800 Message-ID: <019d01bd4dd4$85be7920$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Smaller Speakers Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:33:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"v-QcBC.A.q0D.b3AC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4166 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:42:30 -0800 X-UIDL: d84fb76759918f697ae599094180ae09 Currently I use two EV-12Ls in stereo for looping and general guitar havock. However, I've been thinking about switching over to smaller diameter speakers for increased portability. Does anyone know of a company that makes a stereo cabinet with two 8-inch speakers or four 6-inch speakers that can handle 50 to 100 watts per side and provide the fidelity needed for harsh, distorted looping and general guitaring? Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:08:54 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 11:53:23 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDE2Z-00039y-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:53:19 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDDwZ-0005Vi-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:47:07 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDE2O-00038L-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:53:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980312133510.0080b180@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:35:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LdaLvB.A.YxB._sDC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4170 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:53:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 821f4eda0a84a783988342e9bb688d07 >Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:26:01 -0600 >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >From: Chuck Zwicky >Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers >In-Reply-To: <019d01bd4dd4$85be7920$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> > >ART made some very portable stereo cabinets with 2 8" speakers. >The cabinets are a synthetic resin construction. >I think that they called them the "Shadow" or some such thing. > > > >At 11:33 AM 3/12/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Currently I use two EV-12Ls in stereo for looping and general guitar havock. >>However, I've been thinking about switching over to smaller diameter >>speakers for increased portability. >> >>Does anyone know of a company that makes a stereo cabinet with two 8-inch >>speakers or four 6-inch speakers that can handle 50 to 100 watts per side >>and provide the fidelity needed for harsh, distorted looping and general >>guitaring? >> >>Mark Kata >>Mark@asisoftware.com >> >> >> >> >> From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:08:58 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 12:28:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDEae-0000XN-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:28:32 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980312194614.00a99400@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:46:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: forwarded for Stephen Goodman - Internet World Resent-Message-ID: <"2nRl_C.A.NqG.uNEC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4172 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:28:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 06bd46797d614311c8271eff394c9c3e >Hi folks, > >Since I'm working at Internet World until Friday, is there anyone on this >list who is also? Give a buzz if so! I check my mail before leaving in the >morning. > >Stephen Goodman * sgoodman@earthlight.net >EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:08:56 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 12:12:43 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDELH-0005yZ-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:12:39 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDEFG-0006FB-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:06:26 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDEL4-0005wP-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:12:26 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980312200017.00a8a4d8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:00:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "Loopers Delight" From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers Resent-Message-ID: <"Hd364C.A.BXE.J-DC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4171 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:12:26 -0800 X-UIDL: a1d7955212bb155286be41fe33c73b9f At 11:33 AM 3/12/98 -0500, Mark Kata wrote: >Currently I use two EV-12Ls in stereo for looping and general guitar havock. >However, I've been thinking about switching over to smaller diameter >speakers for increased portability. speaking of speakers, I've been thinking of getting a small PA setup for loops and everything else. It would mostly reside in the big room at home, but should also be relatively portable. I guess the main requirements would be: sounds good, easy to carry. Any suggestions? Are powered speakers the way to go? Anybody use the JBL eon series? Also, I have a taste for ground shaking, butt-wiggling bass. Does that mean a subwoofer, or are there decent, simple PA's with good enough low end response? oh, for all you guitar players, I think we established some time ago that guitar amps just don't cut it for more than simple loops. They just aren't designed for more complicated sounds and get too muddy. I use a boogie triaxis/2:90 combo with EV 200W speakers for my guitar, which can be very clean, but still nothing compared to a PA. And forget about putting anything other than guitar sounds through it, the amp colors it too much. thanks, kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 09:53:55 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 04:20:54 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yD6yg-0003XS-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:20:50 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yD6sh-00073t-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:14:39 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yD6yZ-0003Wa-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:20:43 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980312122237.2b3fdf3e@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:22:37 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: physical modeling In-Reply-To: <3507840B.1890@ix.netcom.com> References: <01bd4a32$016ec9e0$7b414382@hovard> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"psjp6D.A.y3C.wI9B1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4164 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:20:43 -0800 X-UIDL: bc267e0fc27b850a7e9fb48e51a0988e Pisko: >I own the Line6 Axsys212. I have owned this amp for about 1 year now. >Befrore I bought it I had been a 10 long dedicated tube amp purist. But >the praticallity (I was giging alot last year) and neat ear candy There was only one problem with the Axsys, but is was a Big BIG problem.... no effects loop. Whis is another way of saying NOWHERE TO PUT YOUR LOOPER!!! I'm sorry, but nowadays that's a pretty inexcusable ommission. Anyone know if they've fixed it on the new amps they're advertising? Michael PS Re the current Line 6 ads - Scottish shientists (and pubs!) really DO look like that! From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:36 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 17:54:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDJfe-0004LD-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:54:02 -0800 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:49:30 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199803122049.AA16535@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers Resent-Message-ID: <"50qgZB.A.57C.Z_IC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4188 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:54:02 -0800 X-UIDL: ec7f2594229016a59590cfd996f262f9 >And forget about putting anything other than guitar sounds >through it, the amp colors it too much. Umm... so why do people put up with this for guitar? I don't understand the amp obsession. Why not learn to love the sound of something other than the strange coloring traditional guitar amps provide? Is there really something inherently "good" about them, some deficiency in the tone of the guitar the amp makes up for, or such? Or are guitarists just used to how guitars sound on other people's records? What is wrong with Stanley Jordan's tone (I've never heard it)? Is it just not-what-you're-used-to? Would you complain if it was coming out of a DX-7? The music industry's obsession with recreating and refining "flawed-but-familiar" technology (an obsession shared throughout much of the worlds technology research) feels to me like an inevitable consequence of commerce: 1. decide on some new "different" sound to try to achieve pick a sound that people are familiar with, so you can market it 2. achieve it with varying degrees of success repeat those steps over and over So you have... cheesy analog synths (trying to imitate real sounds, very poorly) samplers (trying to imitate real sounds) new-fangled digital analog synths (trying to imitate the cheesy analogs) Now, note that at the third step, the goal is not to sound like the real sounds the cheesy analogs were a poor attempt at--it's to sound _just like_ those cheesy analogs. (They're not really cheesy, just trying to use technically precise language). Similarly you have the attempts to replicate the old analog roland drum machine, etc. etc. In the computer graphics world, a year or two ago I read several papers in a conference proceedings about software that would take a photograph and "turn it into" what looked like a watercolor painting of the same thing. This has all sorts of neat possibilities besides just using it to do same old thing--e.g. animated watercolors--but the odd thing is the amount of attention that goes into precisely replicating -unintentional artifacts- of the medium. Virtual brush strokes produce various sorts of splotches and drips, and the programs go to great lengths to reproduce these, so it will look "just like" the real thing. I understand the commerce motivation to sound/look "just like" the real thing, but I find the end result to be such a waste of energy--imagine if all that effort were to be put into creating new sounds/looks! [*] I guess the VG-8 attempts to balance this line--allowing precise emulation of all sorts of guitars and amps while also allowing new, never-before-heard things to be done to it... but in general the process bugs the heck out of me. Sean [*] I guess this leads to miserable sales a la Vortex From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 09:53:49 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 04:06:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yD6kp-0001wd-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:06:31 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980312134332.2f47cf3c@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:43:32 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Folk, etc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RzmwFB.A.qYB.j78B1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4163 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:06:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 361fd538f0a6ac2582c7eda31c739b00 Dave down in London correctly berated me: > What - more adventurous than Cortney Pine's latest work with DJs and > remixers; Steve Williamson's efforts in this area; Martin Speake's > group(s) with guitarist John Paricelli, and JP's contribution to the > Iain Ballamy group; Billy Jenkins & the Voice of God Collective; the > Arguelles bothers; and other ex-Loose Tubes alumni? Ok, ok, sorry! I'll admit, my experience is kinda limited by those London-based musicians willing to grace our attentions north of the Border; obviously we merit not much attention since most who make the journey are those who can put bums on seats at the big Jazz fests, ie the more "traditional" lot. And in my defence, some Celtic musicians are hooking up with djs etc, eg Shooglenifty or Afro-Celt Sound System. I think it'd probably be best if I say Scotland instead of Britain in future. On a similar subject, aside for C. Pine the above names are new to me. Where did the publicisation of new jazz go? Apart from that Ronny Jordan/US3 blip a few years ago, I hear nothing. But the current Celt types are far more high-profile. The guitar press is hopeless - the latest Big New Name in Guitarist magazine is Steve topping, the current editorial staff having forgotten they interviewed him in 1984!!!! > Not quite sure what the `Jazz lot' up your way are into, but there's a > bit more than just Tommy Smith and Martin Taylor > (both of whom are obviously fine musicians with CDs in my collection) > going on elsewhere, dont ya know! If we're talking Scotland, not london. Jazz in the Wilderlands (where the other 48 million of us live) _is_ pretty much Martin Taylor et al, or at least anyone willing to actually tour. Taylor's from just south of Glasgow, y'know.... > ("Bill - careful with that axe..." yewww...) Jeez, not even my humour will satisfy! I'm onto a losing streak here! Michael From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:02 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 14:06:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDG6r-0005HE-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:05:53 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:53:21 -0800 Message-ID: <000A2E1F.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Smaller Speakers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Kim Flint Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"bAcqQB.A.x9D.ypFC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4173 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:05:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 8765660a30cd85273fce94f229ea47b7 At 11:33 AM 3/12/98 -0500, Mark Kata wrote: >Currently I use two EV-12Ls in stereo for looping and general guitar havock. >However, I've been thinking about switching over to smaller diameter >speakers for increased portability. Kim Flint the responded: speaking of speakers, I've been thinking of getting a small PA setup for loops and everything else. It would mostly reside in the big room at home, but should also be relatively portable. I guess the main requirements would be: sounds good, easy to carry. Any suggestions? Are powered speakers the way to go? Anybody use the JBL eon series? Also, I have a taste for ground shaking, butt-wiggling bass. Does that mean a subwoofer, or are there decent, simple PA's with good enough low end response? I've been looking at the EON's as well. The 15's seem like a good choice if you need the bottom end and won't use a sub-woofer. I've only listened to these at Guitar Center, S.J. as well as the 10's with a cd. No real guitar experience with them. Since I need a small *portable* pa for acoustic and vox I've been leaning towards the 10's. I'd probably want a sub-woofer in the studio and for electric guitar. OTOH, if you're into a subwoofer, the Bose 402 silver's or 402 gold (w/their sub-woofer) could be a good choice. Assuming you'd like to buy a power amp. It could be said that everyone needs at least one good power amp to make their studio sound good! I've played out acoustically through the 402 silvers and they really filled the room (Palookaville in SC). Note: At the same show I used EV 2 way monitors (the plastic molded current models) as monitors and they actually sounded bass heavy! I've talked with a few other sound reinforcement types who told me that for acoustic music, it might be best to go with *a lot* of smaller speakers. I'm beginning to believe this as well after repeated use of 12" monitors. Kim: oh, for all you guitar players, I think we established some time ago that guitar amps just don't cut it for more than simple loops. They just aren't designed for more complicated sounds and get too muddy. I use a boogie triaxis/2:90 combo with EV 200W speakers for my guitar, which can be very clean, but still nothing compared to a PA. And forget about putting anything other than guitar sounds through it, the amp colors it too much. I started going direct slightly before I began jamming with our friend, Mr. Chris Muir. After a lot of recording with Chris, I've become very settled with the sounds I create using speaker simulators (or not). It's not always tweaked quite right, mostly due to my own trial and error programming and need for change. But when it's really dialed, I'm totally happy with it. It's not the tubes that make the difference for me. I've also played a few sessions with a singer who is infinitesimally critical of "so called warm" guitar sounds, and after fairly lengthy review, they're trying to fly my new direct parts back into songs we recorded with speaker cabs and mics a few years back. He says the new tracks sound way fatter and warm as well as more modern. This is certainly very subjective... Like DT, I'd love to have a nice Rivera M100 or equivalent. I'm sure I could *learn* to like it. 8-> But in the meantime, I'll tweak those Boss preamp profiles and speaker sims in my guitpre! Loops really do need full range and headroom. Not to mention vocals and drum machines. thanks, kim Cheers, -Miko From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:24 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 15:58:13 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDHrW-0004bn-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:58:10 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDG4S-00035u-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:03:24 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDGAE-0005lG-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:09:22 -0800 From: Texture444 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:59:16 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: ears & more Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"i6ca1.A.7RE._rFC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4174 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:09:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 92c06369e8d774d8f1e8a20e45991aa8 >do you hear a sound in your head? absolutely, yes: often sounds like tonal water; sometimes, like thin pieces of bamboo 'snapping'; sometimes, like a chorus of crickets. From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:06 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 14:18:25 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDGIw-00072v-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:18:22 -0800 From: Texture444 Message-ID: <5829ceb5.35085ce6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:08:36 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: torn in seattle? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"DJtAjB.A.nsF.Y2FC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4175 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:18:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 4e667d1065406fc62eed84c9fdc9be35 In a message dated 3/5/98 12:56:40 PM, you wrote: >>2 must-see seattle bands: >>1) critters buggin, & >>2) maktub > >Anybody - David? Scott?-- happen to know who the musicians are? I lived in the > >Seattle area for many years, and since moving, still make some attempt at >keeping up with local goings on... sorry it takes me so long to respond, sometimes! anyway: critters is: matt chamberlain, drums etc; skerick, electric sax etc; brad houser, upright e-bass; mike ??, percussion. produced by erik rosse. me: i like the 2nd cd, best; on Loose Groove. regards, dt From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:06 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 14:30:10 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDGUI-0000wc-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:30:06 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDGOK-000463-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:23:56 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDGU6-0000uf-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:29:54 -0800 Message-ID: <00cf01bd4e05$aeb5e080$dcf0ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:24:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"fKi3tD.A.s.iBGC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4176 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:29:54 -0800 X-UIDL: d11890afb16c7c92560094938ba06bd3 I Have used the EONs (15") a few times with my electric and preamp plugged directly in, as well as my guitar synth. I do like them a lot, and they sound very clear. They do have a lot of bass in them too, although JBL does offer a subwoofer that looks like the 15" EON. I never used the EONs with a subwoofer, so I don't know the difference it makes. I plan on buying a pair of 15" EONs this spring to replace my mono Peavey 6 channel powered mixer and speakers. My only concern is that the EONs are plastic, so I do't know how much abuse they can take- I hope JBL makes covers for them. Also, the gray color is rather homely, I wish they were black. But they were the best powered speakers I tried (my experience with 12" EV powered plastic speakers is that they were rather muddy). Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 "Establish the possible, and move gradually towards the impossible" -Robert Fripp -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; Loopers Delight Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 3:13 PM Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers >At 11:33 AM 3/12/98 -0500, Mark Kata wrote: >>Currently I use two EV-12Ls in stereo for looping and general guitar havock. >>However, I've been thinking about switching over to smaller diameter >>speakers for increased portability. > >speaking of speakers, I've been thinking of getting a small PA setup for >loops and everything else. It would mostly reside in the big room at home, >but should also be relatively portable. I guess the main requirements would >be: sounds good, easy to carry. Any suggestions? Are powered speakers the >way to go? Anybody use the JBL eon series? Also, I have a taste for ground >shaking, butt-wiggling bass. Does that mean a subwoofer, or are there >decent, simple PA's with good enough low end response? > >oh, for all you guitar players, I think we established some time ago that >guitar amps just don't cut it for more than simple loops. They just aren't >designed for more complicated sounds and get too muddy. I use a boogie >triaxis/2:90 combo with EV 200W speakers for my guitar, which can be very >clean, but still nothing compared to a PA. And forget about putting anything >other than guitar sounds through it, the amp colors it too much. > >thanks, > >kim >_______________________________________________________ >Kim Flint 408-752-9284 >Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com >Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:19 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 15:01:05 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDGyD-0005AL-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:01:01 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDGsA-0005Tj-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:54:46 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDGxz-00058b-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:00:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:49:58 -0800 Message-ID: <000A2F0E.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Smaller Speakers To: , "future perfect" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"7-ql7C.A.S0D.EdGC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4177 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:00:47 -0800 X-UIDL: bc367733a3432481a558fd80459bbef6 David wrote... I Have used the EONs (15") a few times with my electric and preamp plugged directly in, as well as my guitar synth. I do like them a lot, and they sound very clear. They do have a lot of bass in them too, although JBL does offer a subwoofer that looks like the 15" EON. I never used the EONs with a subwoofer, so I don't know the difference it makes. I plan on buying a pair of 15" EONs this spring to replace my mono Peavey 6 channel powered mixer and speakers. My only concern is that the EONs are plastic, so I do't know how much abuse they can take- I hope JBL makes covers for them. Also, the gray color is rather homely, I wish they were black. But they were the best powered speakers I tried (my experience with 12" EV powered plastic speakers is that they were rather muddy). I believe I just saw (maybe in the new Guitar Center mailing, but it could be Musician's friend) that the EON's were now available in BLACK! I believe that the roto-molded plastic cases are actually very strong. They will scuff up though so covers would still be nice, That would probably keep the dust where it belongs as well. I believe I'll have to get the budget in order to buy some EON 10's! -Miko From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:28 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 16:59:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDIp0-0005Sv-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:59:38 -0800 Message-ID: <350869FF.9E881529@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:04:32 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: David Torn,Elliot Sharp And And Vernon Reid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"x3en1.A.Z0D.dLIC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4183 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:59:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 00a7be37d8c30a5eca55ab0b45ca2941 They will be playing the Knitting Factory Friday night,together. http://165.254.172.24:36/Calendar/FMPro?-db=Schedule1998.fp3&Space=MainSpace&Date=//&-format=DayMonth.html&-Max=1&-Find http://www.knittingfactory.com/ I hope the real audio is up! Jeff From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:20 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 15:18:04 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDHEP-0007Ro-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:17:45 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDH87-0006Er-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:11:15 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDHDw-0007NQ-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:17:16 -0800 Message-ID: <00fc01bd4e0c$1bc4d360$dcf0ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: Smaller Speakers Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:10:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"IiLhvD.A.X6F.isGC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4178 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:17:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 6ca33580b5c85768eaf25ac2d07ef170 Has anyone compared the EON 10's to the EON 15's???? Exactly how much would I be losing soundwise by going with the smaller, lighter 10's? Dave Eichenberger > >I believe I'll have to get the budget in order to buy some EON 10's! > >-Miko > From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:21 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 15:38:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDHYY-0001hl-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:38:34 -0800 Message-ID: <006c01bd4e0f$73ce0740$db6703cf@rjiredff> From: "Jonathan Brainin" To: Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:34:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"tiY-UB.A.vAB.xDHC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4180 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:38:34 -0800 X-UIDL: de92ed24bff1a80f229593fd9d03c73b Check out the new gear from Euphonic Audio. They make these amazing full range cabinets that are way small, very light and, of course, expensive. They have a web site that you should check out at www.euphonicaudio.com. Trey Gunn uses both their 10 inch and 12 inch cabinets. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; Loopers Delight Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers >At 11:33 AM 3/12/98 -0500, Mark Kata wrote: >>Currently I use two EV-12Ls in stereo for looping and general guitar havock. >>However, I've been thinking about switching over to smaller diameter >>speakers for increased portability. > >speaking of speakers, I've been thinking of getting a small PA setup for >loops and everything else. It would mostly reside in the big room at home, >but should also be relatively portable. I guess the main requirements would >be: sounds good, easy to carry. Any suggestions? Are powered speakers the >way to go? Anybody use the JBL eon series? Also, I have a taste for ground >shaking, butt-wiggling bass. Does that mean a subwoofer, or are there >decent, simple PA's with good enough low end response? > >oh, for all you guitar players, I think we established some time ago that >guitar amps just don't cut it for more than simple loops. They just aren't >designed for more complicated sounds and get too muddy. I use a boogie >triaxis/2:90 combo with EV 200W speakers for my guitar, which can be very >clean, but still nothing compared to a PA. And forget about putting anything >other than guitar sounds through it, the amp colors it too much. > >thanks, > >kim >_______________________________________________________ >Kim Flint 408-752-9284 >Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com >Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > > From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:28 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 17:00:12 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDIpO-0005WK-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:00:02 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDIjN-0002wG-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:53:49 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDIpC-0005Ui-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:59:50 -0800 Message-ID: <19980312234230.9481.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ears & more Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:42:29 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"g8Lq-D.A.fzD.ZLIC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4182 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:59:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 25432f6e1dadec8fa2a6ab0a10c18067 Hey DT- >>do you hear a sound in your head? >absolutely, yes: >often sounds like tonal water; >sometimes, like thin pieces of bamboo 'snapping' You know what you should do? Come out with a song that represents that... Maybe call it "Snapping the Hollow Reed".......... .........oh wait...... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:29 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 17:06:38 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDIvj-0006S4-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:06:35 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDHrn-0000Tv-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:58:27 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDHxc-0005b2-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:04:28 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: RE: Gear aquisition(dreams) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:54:22 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4e12$2dd12120$a6004382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"H2vYcC.A.7CE.oYHC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4181 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:04:28 -0800 X-UIDL: ba0b8a4d49ae3c02215831875a35d736 >as Patrick said: >"I remember seeing the ad for the Jam Man a few months before they were >in >the stores. A slaes rep at Chuck Levin's told me this was a fairly >common >practice to get us talkinga bout the gear." > >Like they needed that! We even talk about gear that doesn't exist! >Olivier Malhomme > You are so right! How about this one: An effect that actually REMOVES frequecies from the signal! so what you are left with is a tone that sounds like......a laser beam!!!!!!! Wouldn`t that be neat! E-bow that through my jamman and build chordscapes that sounds like overtones without the root present. Then I can Whammy it 2 octaves down to sound like a robot!! Or too octaves up to call on the dogs ( and annoy women!)...........and then Auto wah that!!!!! Sweet dreams , Thomas W From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:32 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 17:36:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDJP2-0001gI-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:36:52 -0800 Message-ID: <35088BDB.69AD@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:03:05 -0500 From: Charles Cohen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"a1i_HC.A.Ef.nvIC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4185 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:36:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 807ce88c1ab897f30dcdb8cca534e33f After looking around and listening, and not liking the sound of anything too much, on the way out of the last music store I saw a Yamaha MS150 sitting in the corner, and tried it out and bought it on the spot. http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?PWS00008MS150 after giging with it for a few months, I still like the sound of it but: the tweeter protection circuit can be annoying the paint chips easily it is very suseptible to ground loops cc -- **** What's Charles up to? **** http://www.voicenet.com/~ccohen From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:41 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 19:16:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDKxm-0002Wl-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:16:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199803130130.RAA06263@marge.cyber-dyne.com> From: "Marc Roche" To: Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:19:52 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lZgotC.A.e0B.qQKC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4189 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:16:50 -0800 X-UIDL: f5addca66957bfd12a05b198928af307 About speakers; I use two JBL Eon powered 15" PA speakers. They are the best. period. They do everything well in my opinion. I believe if you get these you'll never sell them. ---------- > From: Jonathan Brainin > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers > Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 3:34 PM > > Check out the new gear from Euphonic Audio. They make these amazing > full range cabinets that are way small, very light and, of course, > expensive. > They have a web site that you should check out at www.euphonicaudio.com. > Trey Gunn uses both their 10 inch and 12 inch cabinets. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; Loopers > Delight > Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers > > > >At 11:33 AM 3/12/98 -0500, Mark Kata wrote: > >>Currently I use two EV-12Ls in stereo for looping and general guitar > havock. > >>However, I've been thinking about switching over to smaller diameter > >>speakers for increased portability. > > > >speaking of speakers, I've been thinking of getting a small PA setup for > >loops and everything else. It would mostly reside in the big room at home, > >but should also be relatively portable. I guess the main requirements would > >be: sounds good, easy to carry. Any suggestions? Are powered speakers the > >way to go? Anybody use the JBL eon series? Also, I have a taste for ground > >shaking, butt-wiggling bass. Does that mean a subwoofer, or are there > >decent, simple PA's with good enough low end response? > > > >oh, for all you guitar players, I think we established some time ago that > >guitar amps just don't cut it for more than simple loops. They just aren't > >designed for more complicated sounds and get too muddy. I use a boogie > >triaxis/2:90 combo with EV 200W speakers for my guitar, which can be very > >clean, but still nothing compared to a PA. And forget about putting > anything > >other than guitar sounds through it, the amp colors it too much. > > > >thanks, > > > >kim > >_______________________________________________________ > >Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > >Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > >Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > > > > > > From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:34 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 17:40:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDJS8-0002BJ-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:40:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199803130130.RAA06266@marge.cyber-dyne.com> From: "Marc Roche" To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: Smaller Speakers Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:21:41 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eCD-oD.A.zw.WxIC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4186 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:40:04 -0800 X-UIDL: b90520e7bce7fe9cdbb8c7cc82b0005c I bought my two Eon 15" powereds for $460 each(blem units) They are the last speakers I'll ever need. ---------- > From: future perfect > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Re[2]: Smaller Speakers > Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 3:10 PM > > Has anyone compared the EON 10's to the EON 15's???? Exactly how much would > I be losing soundwise by going with the smaller, lighter 10's? > Dave Eichenberger > > > > >I believe I'll have to get the budget in order to buy some EON 10's! > > > >-Miko > > > From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:35 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 17:51:05 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDJcl-0003tB-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:51:03 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDJWm-0005I3-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:44:52 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDJcW-0003qq-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:50:48 -0800 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:41:09 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: SV: AW: Notes on the Profiles site Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803122041_MC2-3691-CFC2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"GiX2W.A.nkC.J9IC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4187 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:50:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 2989a3dbdebb954787bb15da5338b6d8 matthew hahn wrote: >And I try not to ask questions or even write, in this consumer >target audience, DJs are not so much a part of this. < Hey Matt, have you gone bitter on us? This list can be steered to where you/we want it. I don't always have sufficient quantities of the the T-factor to remain engaged here on a day-to-day basis but I did think that some of the DJ discussion was getting interesting .... And don't knock consumers - what's the alternative? Me, I "consume" all the time! The question is: Does one PRODUCE in addition to consuming? If we don't produce, we just get FAT ... but if we don't consume ... sorry, it's a dead horse ... Rob From ???@??? Thu Mar 12 09:54:03 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 09:03:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDBO5-00018R-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:03:21 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980312183654.2ad79326@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:36:54 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers In-Reply-To: <019d01bd4dd4$85be7920$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yKxmHC.A.COH.gNBC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4168 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:03:21 -0800 X-UIDL: b88e8bd779b0fa9c48a3add7b3045265 >Does anyone know of a company that makes a stereo cabinet with two 8-inch >speakers or four 6-inch speakers that can handle 50 to 100 watts per side >and provide the fidelity needed for harsh, distorted looping and general >guitaring? What about the 6.5" Pyle Drives that Gallien-Kreuger used in the ML205/206? They could handle 60W apiece. Michael From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:45 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 19:48:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDLS5-0005tT-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:48:09 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980313034235.009429fc@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:42:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: Light PAs, analog/digital recording/Thanks Resent-Message-ID: <"FbiKED.A.eHF.vuKC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4190 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:48:09 -0800 X-UIDL: cacbb0dd053075f9b1d35601da142dec Kim, I recently recieved an echoplex, and more recently, the footcontroller. Thanks for your input and work - I'm already hooked. Re: recording. I've literally worn my old 4-track out. I keep hearing that digital recording is sterile compared to analog, but am considering going to minidisc rather than a new cassette format for recording live performance. Anyone willing to share their experience? For a light PA that's clean, I use BOSE 802s. JBL's 4722 series have a 12" and horn, are heavier but with better high end and power handling (500 watts continuous). BOTH systems are improved with a sub for larger gigs - I use a single Peavy subcompact 15" sub; plenty for my little gigs, but gives the cabs a lot more "breathing room" and presence. I haven't tried or heard the EV Sx-300 or 500 series or the JBL Eon stuff, but have heard good reviews of both; and they're both light. Grover At 12:00 PM 3/12/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 11:33 AM 3/12/98 -0500, Mark Kata wrote: >>Currently I use two EV-12Ls in stereo for looping and general guitar havock. >>However, I've been thinking about switching over to smaller diameter >>speakers for increased portability. > >speaking of speakers, I've been thinking of getting a small PA setup for >loops and everything else. It would mostly reside in the big room at home, >but should also be relatively portable. I guess the main requirements would >be: sounds good, easy to carry. Any suggestions? Are powered speakers the >way to go? Anybody use the JBL eon series? Also, I have a taste for ground >shaking, butt-wiggling bass. Does that mean a subwoofer, or are there >decent, simple PA's with good enough low end response? > >oh, for all you guitar players, I think we established some time ago that >guitar amps just don't cut it for more than simple loops. They just aren't >designed for more complicated sounds and get too muddy. I use a boogie >triaxis/2:90 combo with EV 200W speakers for my guitar, which can be very >clean, but still nothing compared to a PA. And forget about putting anything >other than guitar sounds through it, the amp colors it too much. > >thanks, > >kim >_______________________________________________________ >Kim Flint 408-752-9284 >Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com >Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > > From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:47 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 20:25:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDM24-0002fb-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:25:20 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <85b2fbfc.3508b3d0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:19:29 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Speakers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"KetuWC.A.P5B.dQLC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4191 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:25:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 203a01a5e56e1ab9cb46340ed5a17db0 In a message dated 3/12/98 12:09:35 PM, KIM wrote: <> We have JBL Eons...which are just grand. But we also monitor and fool around with AR powered partners speakers through a Chameleon preamp, and a Rivera stereo TBR-1 head through all kinds of speakers...including...and man do the tweeters go out...Radio Shack Optimus LX-5 with Lineaum tweeters. Anyway, the Rivera head sounds the best, with all the gadgets running through it's effect loop and it has double lines out to the PA as well as regular power lines out for speaker...but it's a dilemma which speakers to hang off the power outputs. The little hifi radio shack guys don't have punch and crunch, and if you hit them hard with something unexpected, the woofers will go CRACK...but they're nice at coffee house volumes and you get addicted to "hi fi" tweeters doing mobius like loops in stereo with the Lexicon Vortex. In short, a good pa is a great thing and they have definitly gotten better, more affordable and lighter, but we crave a new guitar speaker design that would have BOTH great tweeters (make that footswitchable on/off great tweeters) and guitar like crunch and punch...and put those great speakers in a LIGHT stereo cabinet please. Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:49 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 20:31:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDM7y-0003VY-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:31:26 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:25:08 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Smaller Speakers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"hZeI6B.A.VrC.HWLC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4192 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:31:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 265c482496633388b4f319a5e9e308a0 Oh...one other really interesting piece of equipment that David Torn might comment on...is the ADA AMPULATOR. Ada is now sadly defunct, but this was a fascinating attempt at emulating different tube guitar power amps and cabinets and microphone placements!!! in one single space rack unit. There was only one drawback. It was in mono... Best, the LoOpdOctOrs From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:50 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 12 20:36:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDMD2-0004FM-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:36:40 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <2eda1c02.3508b5f2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:28:32 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: Smaller Speakers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"KAhL0D.A.SED.-YLC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4193 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:36:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 8b41c2f25b9ede1a12d111a44e947de0 You lose a LOT with the EON 10s...the compress and distort more...and won't play as loud and clean. The 15s are the way to go if you can afford it. Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 01:09:58 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 00:07:04 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDPUe-0006SU-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:07:04 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDOG1-00000P-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:47:53 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDOFw-0000aC-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:47:48 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199803130644.WAA09982@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: ears & more To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:44:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199803121624.IAA07108@scv1.apple.com> from "T.W. Hartnett" at Mar 12, 98 10:26:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CEwQbB.A.dO.qXNC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4194 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:47:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 72ae84d848b7836a837efdd3bbd80157 > > I think tinnitus is defined as any persistant sound heard by a person > which is not generated by an external source. I used to try and comfort > myself at night that I was just hearing the sound of my nervous system or > the collective hum of the universe, but eventually it became clear that I > had a touch of tinnitus. Tinnitus is so commonplace in the post-Walkman, > industrial world, that it's possible that everyone you'll ask has it to > some degree. > > Travis Hartnett > > I just read a newspaper article about neuroscientist Pawel J. Jastreboff and his theory about tinnitus. His hypothesis is that tinnitus is not only an inner ear problem but involves abnormal electrical activity in higher brain centers as well. His theory is that it is possible to retrain the brain to filter out annoying signals and be unaware of them. One component of Jastreboff's treatment is counseling which helps patients dissociate feelings of panic from the auditory sensations. The other involves a hearing aid-like device that provides a constand broadband sound that allos the brain to pair this sound with tinnitus and to filter both out. This article was writted by Judy Foreman of the Boston Globe. I read it in the San Diego Union-Tribune. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 09:37:45 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 06:06:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDV5x-00063Z-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:05:57 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 05:23:04 -0500 (EST) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looped Video In-Reply-To: <35088BDB.69AD@voicenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"YvsolB.A.sKF.XxTC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4205 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:05:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 0d14d39287cf60143e783512dc5f4d13 I know this thread sort-of died already, but I just saw this and maybe it might stir someone's imagination out there. (I know it did mine - if I only had $8K to drop and lots of free time). Softimage (www.softimage.com) has a package for 3D computer animation that has hooks to MIDI, so a creative looper, animator could design his/her own creation and then animate by sound! There's a whole write up in 3D Design mag. If anyone's interested I could scan the article and email it to you. Stew Benedict From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 09:37:41 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 03:03:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDSF3-0002iP-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 03:03:09 -0800 Message-ID: <000801bd4e6f$8d577f60$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: New EDP for Sale Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:02:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"r4dj-C.A.1IC.sGRC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4201 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 03:03:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 67aac5eefd4c37b5b30baba074888757 Attention Michigan Loopers: There's a new EDP for sale at: Huber & Breese Music Center 33540 Grosebeck Hwy. Fraser, Michigan (810) 294-3950 Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 09:37:42 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 03:27:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDSci-00041J-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 03:27:36 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: Light PAs, analog/digital recording/Thanks Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:23:05 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4e72$644abda0$73024382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"tBkGzB.A.RjD.XeRC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4202 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 03:27:36 -0800 X-UIDL: c1bda913642784162e493689351c6921 > Re: recording. I've literally worn my old 4-track out. I keep >hearing that digital recording is sterile compared to analog, but am >considering going to minidisc rather than a new cassette format for >recording live performance. Anyone willing to share their experience? HI Grover , I am a diehard minidisc fan and was about to bring the subject up. One of the main plusses I see with the format is the price and ease of use. You can edit it and remove all the nasty stuff you don`t want. In norway a 74 minute disc cost less than half of what a new cd costs. (Im talking cd an artist produced here , not CDr....) The downside to minidisc is that in order to fit so much audio on each disc the remove A LOT from the input signal. That is, they move frequesies above and below our hearing ability. And things that the ear can`t hear in the musical context is also removed. For instance: When that big drummer pounds his crash cymbal so hard that everyone hits the deck runnin` your funky lil` E9 strum you hit at the same time will be removed. (Don`t ask me HOW they do it , they just do , seemingly....) The result of all this is that only 10 percent of the original signal is left. Yep , you heard me ; 10 percent! The Minidisc also sport a heavy compressor. This can be a problem for those audio philes that insisit no NO coloration. For me , none of this is a problem. I use my Minidisc as a "mastering device" for my weird little computer music. I have cubase audio and a soundblaster awe 32 so I`m not really in a position to be picky....:-) I also use the discman as a dictaphone , recording 1on1 guitarlessons I attend , or tape rehearsals with bands. For me it works out great , for some it wouldn`t. The bottom line , as I see it: You might not want to master you Studio album on it , but for those who want a reliable , digital and affordable ReCording device couldn`t go wrong. Yours , Thomas W PS. In my humble opinion the minidisc format actually sound WARMER than most digital recordings I have heard. Any of you feel the same? ( Meet me at the corner of 52nd at dawn.........) From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:18:46 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 11:04:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDZlE-0001Zk-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:04:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199803131725.JAA23096@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: SV: Light PAs, analog/digital recording/Thanks Date: Fri, 13 Mar 98 11:27:14 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"WFdZ_C.A.zU.8EYC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4221 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:04:52 -0800 X-UIDL: c1151a12e045130bb874a5c3e552536f >PS. In my humble opinion the minidisc format actually sound WARMER than >most digital recordings I have heard. >Any of you feel the same? ( Meet me at the corner of 52nd at dawn.........) I have an MD 4-track and a MD 2-track, and have no complaints, except that the first recording session on a track determines the overall length of the piece--you can't extend them after the fact. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 09:37:45 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 05:54:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDUvJ-0004fM-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 05:54:57 -0800 Message-ID: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F5CF@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Marc Roche' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 15 inch EON's Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:50:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"saUw-B.A.DDE.MoTC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4204 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 05:54:57 -0800 X-UIDL: e30d7021025219e9eaf912a194ae4bb9 I've been lugging around a 15 inch Peavey bass-cab. I've felt The mass of the cabinet seems to add to the cabinet's ability to handle "density" in the sound. What are the dimensions, weight and price of a 15-nch EON? David From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:18:48 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 11:33:48 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDaD9-00056F-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:33:43 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDaCv-0006Kv-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:33:29 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDaCp-00053M-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:33:23 -0800 Message-ID: <350943BE.186F@nyfac.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:33:34 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers References: <199803122049.AA16535@world.std.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_p08GC.A.y-D.PiYC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4222 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:33:23 -0800 X-UIDL: f9584839ccabad72b951a81f1632d606 Sean T Barrett wrote: > > >And forget about putting anything other than guitar sounds > >through it, the amp colors it too much. > > Umm... so why do people put up with this for guitar? > I don't understand the amp obsession. Why not learn > to love the sound of something other than the strange > coloring traditional guitar amps provide? Why play guitar at all? Keyboards are much better- they have a better range, you can play bass lines, melodies, and countermelodies all at the same time time, they can have more sounds, you can plug the output right into the PA and use the club's monitors, they have sequencers, etc, etc , etc. Because it sounds good. I don't think that it much matters that guitar+amp is 'traditional' (though something only 40 years old sounds, in the grand scheme of things, fairly modern to me), only that it somes closest to letting us express the sounds we here in our head. > What is wrong with Stanley Jordan's tone (I've never > heard it)? Is it just not-what-you're-used-to? > Would you complain if it was coming out of a DX-7? Probably more so. > cheesy analog synths (trying to imitate real sounds, very poorly) > samplers (trying to imitate real sounds) > new-fangled digital analog synths (trying to imitate the cheesy analogs) I like how analog synths sound. I prefer it when instruments sound like what they are: drum machines that sound like drum machines, synths that sound like synths, guitars that sound like guitars, effects pedals that make odd noises (ok, maybe that doesn't fit). It would be nice if they would make analog synths that were digitally controlled rather than digital synths trying to sound like analog ones. > I guess the VG-8 attempts to balance this line--allowing > precise emulation of all sorts of guitars and amps while > also allowing new, never-before-heard things to be done > to it... but in general the process bugs the heck out of me. Hey, if I had the money/time, and left to my own devices, I would probably play with a Joe Perry style battery of amps, but if somebody can come up with a little box that gives me those sounds, more power to them. My problem is that I like the flaws in guitar sounds- the little scraping of strings against the fret, finger noise. Most of the modellers seem to dig the generic LA session musician's tone. Yeech. Give me a Neil Young preset, or a Greg Ginn patch. Trevor From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 09:38:00 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 09:21:41 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDY9F-0003Pl-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:21:33 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDVjv-0002En-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:47:15 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDVje-0001QH-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:46:58 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:39:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803131439.JAA17757@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: RE: Gear acquisition(dreams) Resent-Message-ID: <"pWhAy.A.zX.eUUC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4207 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:46:58 -0800 X-UIDL: f6f0599dfec4ef3e8fcc36e3ae61e5b5 >> >You are so right! How about this one: >An effect that actually REMOVES frequecies from the signal! so what you are left >with is a tone that sounds like......a laser beam!!!!!!! Wouldn`t that be neat! >E-bow that through my jamman and build chordscapes that sounds like overtones >without the root present. Then I can Whammy it 2 octaves down to sound like a robot!! >Or too octaves up to call on the dogs ( and annoy women!)...........and then Auto wah >that!!!!! >Sweet dreams , Thomas W > > > > it exists . . . thee old vintage monosynth . . drone on~~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 09:37:48 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 06:47:56 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDVkV-0001XT-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:47:51 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDVkN-0002GE-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:47:43 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDVk9-0001UB-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:47:29 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:39:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803131439.JAA17768@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Speakers (Radio Shack Pro products) Resent-Message-ID: <"K3W_XD.A.5Y.jUUC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4208 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:47:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 19b7bb7b13a9318ae638bd38e66acb3c >We have JBL Eons...which are just grand. But we also monitor and fool around >with AR powered partners speakers through a Chameleon preamp, and a Rivera >stereo TBR-1 head through all kinds of speakers...including...and man do the >tweeters go out...Radio Shack Optimus LX-5 with Lineaum tweeters. > >Anyway, the Rivera head sounds the best, with all the gadgets running through >it's effect loop and it has double lines out to the PA as well as regular >power lines out for speaker...but it's a dilemma which speakers to hang off >the power outputs. The little hifi radio shack guys don't have punch and >crunch, and if you hit them hard with something unexpected, the woofers will >go CRACK...but they're nice at coffee house volumes and you get addicted to >"hi fi" tweeters doing mobius like loops in stereo with the Lexicon Vortex. > I've got a couple pairs of the now discontinued Radio Shack LX-3s which are an even samaller enclosure with 4" Kevlar "woofers" and the Lineaum tweeters--when they closed em out I recommended them to friends--amazing little speakers from the folks that brought us affordable PZM mics (Crown-licensed--got a fistful of those when the license agreement expired) and some decent cheap Shure-manufactured dynamic mics no bottom on the LX-3's, but you can get an amamazing amount of quality sound out of shoebox-sized enclosures . . . My recently acquired KRK K-ROKS obviously have a lot more crank than the LX-3s, but weigh four times as much . . . then again my venue is my 14'x15' studio space ;) drone on~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 09:37:50 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 06:49:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDVm6-0001mR-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:49:30 -0800 From: Texture444 Message-ID: <6b756b27.3509452b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:39:37 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: Smaller Speakers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"bcmHBC.A.-k.yVUC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4210 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:49:31 -0800 X-UIDL: f36a7d6b203a9771193fe62fd50189c9 re: the wonderful ampulator, yoo sed: >There was only >one drawback. It was in mono... *that's* no drawback, it's a *feature*!!! 8-) one-earedly, dt From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 09:37:49 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 06:48:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDVl1-0001cA-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:48:23 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:39:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803131439.JAA17823@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Re: open letter to Torn/concert sched Resent-Message-ID: <"IZUPbC.A.9b.2UUC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4209 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:48:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 80775df8f77156a62a04b0d15b156daa At 08:05 AM 3/9/98 EST, you wrote: >well: >where exactly d'ya think i should play, in yer town? >best, >dt > > > anywhere in St. Louis. . . but the best places financially (in terms of draw) and acoustically would probably be to play Washington U.'s Edison Theater or the Sheldon (a restored, perfect little hall) I'd be happy to act as go between--not like I'm tight with the mangement at either place, but I've reviewed Edison concerts in the past and I'd love to see you here or . . . could you post an upcoming show schedule--I don't think that type of commercial post would offend anyone . . . drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 09:37:58 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 09:13:53 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDY1g-0002LI-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:13:44 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDWQY-0003mc-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:31:18 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDWQQ-0006Oj-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:31:10 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:53:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: ears & more Resent-Message-ID: <"gOMZa.A.elF.pBVC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4211 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:31:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 8ac67f2cdcf2365d7a726538d7967a05 >I think tinnitus is defined as any persistant sound heard by a person >which is not generated by an external source. I used to try and comfort >myself at night that I was just hearing the sound of my nervous system or >the collective hum of the universe, but eventually it became clear that I >had a touch of tinnitus. Tinnitus is so commonplace in the post-Walkman, >industrial world, that it's possible that everyone you'll ask has it to >some degree. > >Travis Hartnett Yes, you have given the dictionary definition of tinnitus. However, this definition was written by medical technicians who know little or nothing of the phenomenon I refer to. You are certainly correct that most people must suffer from some degree of hearing damage, you and I included. But there is something else as well, and I've seen it mentioned by the likes of monks who have lived quite far from the nearest Walkman their entire lives, fer sure. Also, I've spoken to electric musicians (who obviously cannot have escaped tinnitus altogether) who haven't the faintest idea of what I'm talking about. Somehow the question seems to relate to a different matter, at least in part. >often sounds like tonal water; >sometimes, like thin pieces of bamboo 'snapping'; >sometimes, like a chorus of crickets. Thanks DT! Either you have a more interesting inner life than I have, or maybe it IS tough to sort out the tinnitus from something other, eh? For myself, the sound is rather like rubbed singing bowls; in certain states of extreme quiet and focused attention, I find that there are many, many tones, which often get incredibly flanged, phased, and chorused (hey, I knew this would wind up being relevant to this list!). A friend told me that a member of the group Biota was attempting to isolate the tones he heard and define the frequencies. Bamboo snapping, though? Sounds like trouble to me.... From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:18:58 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 13:14:20 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDbmP-0002fI-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:14:13 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDbmL-0003HJ-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:14:09 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDbm7-0002d1-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:13:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199803132055.MAA03154@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers Date: Fri, 13 Mar 98 14:56:41 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"uehk1B.A.ZJB.F8ZC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4231 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:13:55 -0800 X-UIDL: bc495945e6bf6668fb6bccf087f83077 > >My problem is that I like the flaws in guitar sounds- the little >scraping of strings against the fret, finger noise. Most of the >modellers seem to dig the generic LA session musician's tone. > >Yeech. Give me a Neil Young preset, or a Greg Ginn patch. Or Stevel Albini. Now, that was a unique tone. Guitar....or sheet-metal welding machine gone wrong? Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 09:37:47 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 06:08:12 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDV84-0006Li-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:08:08 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDV82-00011l-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:08:06 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDV7u-0006KB-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:07:58 -0800 Message-ID: <35094A1D.DE0C5925@infobiogen.fr> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:00:49 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sounds in my head References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YlQdtD.A._UF.dyTC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4206 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:07:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 228f730d5b19556c10cf819ac46d1f72 I sometimes have qute high frequency drone, that feel like coming from one hear or the other. I don't suffer tinnitus anyway. I'm reading Mr. Torn answer. Quite frustrating, my "drones" are nothing rich like tonal water bamboo snapping or coruses of cricktes. Obviously, creativity can find it's way in rather unexpected ways! Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:19:09 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 14:21:34 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDcpW-00031m-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:21:30 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDatu-0000WM-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:17:54 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDati-0002y1-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:17:42 -0800 Message-ID: <35094D97.1B3D@nyfac.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:15:36 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: minidisc v. analog References: <01bd4e72$644abda0$73024382@pentium-200> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"g0yfbD.A.1uB.tJZC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4225 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:17:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 1e0536945ae958449eb78ec3a4cbebc0 Cassettes are cheaper, cost less, have better frequence response, add warmth. Cassette 4-tracks are cheap, bulletproof, and well tested. Minidisc is expensive, mediorce frequency responce, cost a lot, and degrade your sounds. The players are untested, expensive, fragile. If you are going to use digital (and there are plenty of reasons) do it right and get a DAT machine. If you are looking for cheap and easy (and good sounding- remember for years casette tapes were our best friends) I would buy a cassette 4-track. I am in the process of selling my session8 and gigundo rack (mainly to make my life somewhat more portable, but also because the guy who's taking it will put the poor lonely bastard to good use) and getting a little tascam. While you do get a little noise bouncing tracks on a cassette, that hardly seems worse the minidisc compression I have heard that you get when you bounce on a minidisc. From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:18:40 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 10:43:16 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDZQI-0006SJ-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:43:14 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDXg6-0006fL-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:51:26 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDXfp-00072u-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:51:09 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD4E5B.944FF360.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: RE: torn in seattle? Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:17:21 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FDPs9D.A.2UF.wGWC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4214 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:51:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 60322f6e7de928936e47149adaaa0776 Thanks David, and also to Scott for the critters URL, which was a great ride. Had specifically been wondering about Skerik, fine horn player, very creative guy. Sadhappy was the last time I'd heard him. Glad to have a cb cd recommendation; that was my next move. ciao laurie -- website for critters from Scott's post: http://www.crittersbuggin.com In a message dated 3/5/98 12:56:40 PM, you wrote: >>2 must-see seattle bands: >>1) critters buggin, & >>2) maktub > >Anybody - David? Scott?-- happen to know who the musicians are? I lived in the > >Seattle area for many years, and since moving, still make some attempt at >keeping up with local goings on... sorry it takes me so long to respond, sometimes! anyway: critters is: matt chamberlain, drums etc; skerick, electric sax etc; brad houser, upright e-bass; mike ??, percussion. produced by erik rosse. me: i like the 2nd cd, best; on Loose Groove. regards, dt >From jungle-prod@fdgroup.co.uk Fri Mar 13 10:44:00 1998 From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:18:38 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 10:22:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDZ6F-0003o7-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:22:31 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD4E5B.97202A60.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: ears (and links) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:17:43 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O-dUaD.A.MMC.cbXC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4219 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:22:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 4cf826fdef56455c4be05ea2544c384d Hey Kim, gracias for elaborating on Darwin's page. Without your interpretation, I doubt I would have plucked this from the maze with the recognition that it was a piece to the puzzle. Cool that Wessel materialized at such an opportune time - again, thanks for asking the questions, and for taking the time to relay his responses. laurie Kim wrote: On this fellow's excellent page may be part of the answer, specifically here: http://www.biols.susx.ac.uk/Home/Chris_Darwin/Perception/Lecture_Notes/Heari ng3/hearing3.html#RTFToC6 where he discusses combination tones. a summary: In a person with healthy hearing, when two tones fairly close in frequency are played, a third tone can be heard. If the two input tones are F1 and F2, the third tone will be 2F1 - F2. This is called the cubic difference tone. This will probably not be harmonically related to either tone, and will therefore could sound very dissonant. He also notes that people suffering from hearing loss will not experience this. (he explains why, go read it.) By coincidence, I saw David Wessel tonight and asked him if he knew an answer, and he mentioned this same effect as a possibility. (he also noted there is much debate on the subject, and there are no hard answers.) He also noted that in older population groups, men usually suffer from considerably more hearing loss than women. (it's not clear if this is due to lifestyle, which may therefore be changing, or physiological differences.) So men will have more hearing loss than similarly aged women, and therefore will not experience this third tone effect as much as women will. So maybe that's part of the answer. As to why these dissonances result in discomfort, I have no idea..... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com >From lists@slip.net Fri Mar 13 10:26:14 1998 From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 09:37:51 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 08:34:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDXPe-0004p4-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:34:26 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:30:26 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: tomroady@mail.telalink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: tomroady@telalink.net (THOMAS W ROADY) Subject: Re: Small speakers Resent-Message-ID: <"FVVqDD.A.FGE.y8VC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4212 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:34:26 -0800 X-UIDL: a4d1a01c251f6dcb74afadbc54bc7ce4 For the last 3 years I have been using an EV System 200 coupled with 1 of their 400 watt powered subwoofers. These and a Stewart PA1000 amp will give you enough power to definitely be heard in the next county let alone next door. They are very clean sounding and light weight(36lbs. and 34lbs, respectively). The plastic cabinets have held up remarkably well. I highly recommend them. They are pricey but you get what you pay for. I am using a lot of drums and percussion in my loops so bottom end was essential. THESE THINGS KICK BUTT! I first heard them at a NAMM show at the ddrum booth. I figured if that was what they wanted to show their stuff on that was good enough for me. tr From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:18:37 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 10:22:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDZ6C-0003nO-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:22:28 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD4E5B.997C69E0.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Smaller Speakers Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:36:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aB13X.A.pLC.XbXC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4218 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:22:29 -0800 X-UIDL: d03ff79404aaec480ae89617ee4e7b87 Do you realize, Kim, how happy you've made the list's insatiable gear-heads? ~quiver~quiver~ My $.02: I just recently picked up a couple of used powered Eon 10's through Recycler online. (For people new to the list, it's a good source for all kinds of goodies, including jammies, vortexes, etc.) http://www.recycler.com/default.htm I had also posted WTB's on Harmony Central. But at least for this purchase and a couple of others I've made, stuff came around more frequently on Recycler. Have been fortunate to find local sellers, so no shipping hassles. Did not compare with Eon 15's since I needed the smaller size specifically for stage/floor monitors. Yeah, the nasty grey plastic scuffs like crazy -- not a roadworthy surface if transported without covers. But otherwise they're tough, compact, and sound exceptionally clean. Great little speaker for its size. Now, while were quacking about small speakers. These probably exceed you're after, Kim, but I gotta get this off my bosom (if I can find it ;-) while the gear-grinding's clear: Amazing full range speakers, specifically designed for bass (they'd be great for keyboard and small venue PA/home monitors too) -- Acme Low B cabs, there's a 2x10 and a 4x10. They're loaded with custom Eminence speakers that have extended voice coil, lower resonance, and longer excursion, resulting in extremely pure and punchy low end down to 31 Hz (hence the name Low B). Plus there's a 5" mid-range driver, and a shallow horn tweeter. They totally rock in the cleanliness department. (Of course ya gotta really feed em, they're ravenous power-wise.) Andy Lewis, who makes them (no, he isn't paying me for this endorsement) sells out of his own factory, with a return guarantee. They're built like a tank, yet compact and reasonably light in weight. They cost a lot less than competing cabs (many of lesser quality) - the 2x10 is $395 including freight. (Running stereo with a couple of 2 x10 is *almost* better than, uh...) They're reviewed in Nov 1996 Bass Player. Andy doesn't have a web site, but here is an online review, from a Harmony Central link, that I pretty much concur with. http://eksl-www.cs.umass.edu/~schmill/reviews/acme-b2-rvw.html Thanks for indulging me. I'll stop now. laurie >From lists@slip.net Fri Mar 13 10:22:38 1998 From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 09:37:57 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 08:49:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDXeO-0006qQ-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:49:40 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:38:42 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: Echoplex Insert question Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199803131139_MC2-369F-661F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"S64DpD.A.kOF.EGWC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4213 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:49:40 -0800 X-UIDL: c419863b5423245a2a041318d398a524 hi Kim, is it possible to use Echoplex Insert so that new chunks of sound aren't inserted at the point where you press 'Insert' but rather automatically *appended* at the end in a chronological order? I'd love to be able to build growing chains of tonal events ... but it's very hard to hit the exact moment ... I inevitably end up with a random order of events. michael peters mpeters@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters.htm From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 09:37:59 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 09:17:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDY5a-0002tg-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:17:46 -0800 Message-ID: <3509688F.C28C5A0B@sencoinc.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:10:39 -0600 From: Jeff Robert Reply-To: jrobert@sencoinc.com Organization: Senco, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Stereo chord for Jamman pedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WnzV-D.A.MyB.LiWC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4215 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:17:46 -0800 X-UIDL: a4404c699457924e065b1064ab08dc66 Does anyone know where you can buy inexpensive Stereo chords for JamMan pedals? Jeff jrobert@sencoinc.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 09:38:01 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 09:29:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDYGs-0004VU-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:29:26 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:14:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000A3890.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Smaller Speakers To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, artmusic@gte.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"Wh2_GB.A.vVD.ctWC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4216 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:29:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 9fb3e2c71182dec28dbc675a6b65bd60 David wrote... I wish they (JBL EON's) were black... I wrote: I believe I just saw (maybe in the new Guitar Center mailing, but it could be Musician's friend) that the EON's were now available in BLACK! Well, I went home last night and looked in both catalogs and didn't see a thing about BLACK JBL EON's. Ouchhhh! I do believe I saw it somewhere though, but right now those black EON's we're hoping for are still a figment of my deranged mind. (I swear I saw it somewhere, but can't quite figure where!) Sorry to dangle the thread of hope out there and then cut it! -Miko From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 10:13:30 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 09:48:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDYZa-00073E-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:48:46 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <556b3ff1.35096fe0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:41:48 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re[2]: Smaller Speakers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"FcGic.A.X4F.kAXC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4217 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:48:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 2dce2c3f1622375c86c0a8e320fc267d Okay Mr Torn, don't brag because you can hear cricketts and the wafting of that weird tall/giant chinese grass stuff with that one incredible ear of yours, while the rest of us "stereo impaired," can only hear the gnawing of electric can-openers. Beethoven had you beat at the end...(but not by much and you're still in the game!) ;) Best, The LoOpdOctOrs From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:18:55 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 12:54:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDbTZ-00006Q-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:54:45 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <17003708.35097094@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:44:50 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Smaller Speakers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"9aGuk.A.e-F.ipZC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4228 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:54:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 94f3217408d4aa161baa085965ab3a6b David wrote... I wish they (JBL EON's) were black... Um...how about permanet ink markers... From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:18:50 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 12:00:59 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDadV-0000k7-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:00:57 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDadT-0007Sw-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:00:55 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDadN-0000j3-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:00:49 -0800 Message-ID: <091a01bd4ea8$cffa46c0$dcf0ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: 15 inch EON's Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:52:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"SX13YD.A.DKH.n7YC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4223 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:00:49 -0800 X-UIDL: a53f32ee701261db36c4eaafff3e1a52 I believe all the info is here: http://www.jblpro.com/eon_spk.htm#Powered Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 >I've been lugging around a 15 inch Peavey bass-cab. I've felt The mass of >the cabinet seems to add to the cabinet's ability to handle "density" in the >sound. > >What are the dimensions, weight and price of a 15-nch EON? > >David > > From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:18:39 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 10:26:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDZ9d-0004IV-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:26:01 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803131139_MC2-369F-661F@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:53:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex Insert question Resent-Message-ID: <"auB8T.A.VdC.XdXC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4220 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:26:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 4f684e58fc0d8da206a415d4fc9b5e74 >hi Kim, > >is it possible to use Echoplex Insert so that new chunks of sound aren't >inserted at the point where you press 'Insert' but rather automatically >*appended* at the end in a chronological order? I'd love to be able to >build growing chains of tonal events ... but it's very hard to hit the >exact moment ... I inevitably end up with a random order of events. Use the quantize function. That starts the function at the end of the current Loop cycle, making it much easier to keep things regular and precise. Of course, that means for your case here that after you have done several inserts you have to pay attention to which one is your last one and make sure you tap insert somewhere during that. My next recommendation is that it's an instrument, and as with any other instrument, you need to practice! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:18:57 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 13:11:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDbjI-0002FB-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:11:00 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980313192032.00ae7e48@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:20:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers Resent-Message-ID: <"73t3H.A.E-.o6ZC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4230 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:11:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 169f6b756fc29f534edbe283d1aef189 At 03:49 PM 3/12/98 -0500, Sean T Barrett wrote: >>And forget about putting anything other than guitar sounds >>through it, the amp colors it too much. > >Umm... so why do people put up with this for guitar? >I don't understand the amp obsession. Why not learn >to love the sound of something other than the strange >coloring traditional guitar amps provide? Is there >really something inherently "good" about them, some >deficiency in the tone of the guitar the amp makes >up for, or such? Or are guitarists just used to how >guitars sound on other people's records? I guess you're not a guitar player, right? An electric guitar by itself is only half the instrument. The other half is the amplifier. You play that as much as you do the guitar, and a good amp is carefully designed with that in mind. That is why guitar players will generally spend more time obsessing about their amplifiers than their guitars, and why everything other than a guitar will sound crappy through it. That is also why a guitar through a flat PA system will sound very bad, and to the player, it will feel lifeless. The amplifier itself is not reacting to the playing, and it feels flat and unispiring. This reactive aspect of tube guitar amps is a big part of the reason people like them. >The music industry's obsession with recreating and >refining "flawed-but-familiar" technology (an obsession >shared throughout much of the worlds technology >research) feels to me like an inevitable consequence >of commerce: That's a player obsession, not an industry obsession. Players demand it, so manufacturers provide it. Some manufacturers try to innovate and make "classic" sounds cheaply by designing simulations. For example, the sound made by old TB-303's is very popular in some music. As a result, real TB-303's are impossible to find and extremely expensive, which cuts most people out of the scene. So several companies have come up with various inexpensive recreations of that sound to meet the huge demand. Many companies have been very successful with that. The guitar amp industry is totally insane. If you were to perfectly recreate a tube amp in a digital processor (which I think is technically impossible, actually, but anyway...), and place it down next to the original for guitar players to compare, the guitar players will always want to buy the one with real tubes in it. They might actually buy the simulation, but only because they couldn't afford the real thing. No manufacturer in their right mind would want to manufacture tube amps and analog synthesizers. Those are expensive and difficult things to do, much more so than modern stuff. Recreating those sounds with simulations is also very difficult, and subject to numerous reactionary responses from very, very finicky customers. But that's what people want..... >old thing--e.g. animated watercolors--but the odd thing is >the amount of attention that goes into precisely replicating >-unintentional artifacts- of the medium. Virtual brush strokes >produce various sorts of splotches and drips, and the programs go >to great lengths to reproduce these, so it will look "just like" >the real thing. Usually those imperfections are what made it unique and desireable in the first place. Watercolor paintings look very different than other types of images. They also require special approaches and techniques. If you truly want to recreate that digitally, you need to replicate all of the characteristics that make it that way. Also, those imperfections cause the artist to create in a way they might not otherwise. So if you want a watercolor artist to be able to use digital equipment and have it feel the same in all respects, you need to recreate all of the imperfections. Otherwise, the artist's creative process will be disrupted and they won't feel comfortable with the medium. If you are not a watercolor artist, you almost certainly won't get it. Same with all the sounds people want. >I understand the commerce motivation to sound/look "just like" >the real thing, but I find the end result to be such a waste >of energy--imagine if all that effort were to be put into >creating new sounds/looks! [*] I can tell you from experience that trying to do new things is what often turns into a huge waste of energy, or money mostly. It takes a long, long time for people to adopt it and start to use it. The inventor typically goes bankrupt during that period, and only on the off chance that some retro movement comes along later and requires his invention does he have a chance to get anything out of it. In most cases, nothing ever happens at all. There are many, many people creating interesting new things all of the time, but they will mostly fail to ever be noticed since the vast majority of people are not interested in new things. The smart business plan is to do something that people want now, and are willing to pay for roughly around the time your bills are due.... >I guess the VG-8 attempts to balance this line--allowing >precise emulation of all sorts of guitars and amps while >also allowing new, never-before-heard things to be done >to it... I always thought the VG-8 was terrible for emulating anything, but great for making new sounds. That's probably why nobody bought them and roland stopped making them. >but in general the process bugs the heck out of me. well, if you actively support and buy new things, so that the people taking all of the risk to do them can survive at it, maybe it will change. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 09:37:30 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 01:43:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDR0A-0003ug-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 01:43:42 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980313112335.1fc76640@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:23:35 To: toma@microsoft.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: RE: ears & more Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC78C118@sf-01-msg.dns.micro soft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"o8bzmD.A.VeD.P9PC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4197 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 01:43:42 -0800 X-UIDL: b68b76890d6c601930b55f95e938a7bb Tom said: >I hear voices in my head but if I put on my tinfoil hat they go away. And then said: >Microsoft Quality Assurance ...this may explain many things. Michael From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:19:10 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 14:28:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDcwL-0003xb-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:28:33 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803131959.TAA08215@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:46:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: RealAudio samples from LD Resent-Message-ID: <"gNt9dD.A.o0C.iFbC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4234 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:28:33 -0800 X-UIDL: e1d4d7d29f8123121df9425c9525ab43 Which audio formats can be looped (ie. repeated indefinitely)? To me, this is key, seeing as it is the theme of our site... - chris __________________________________________________ Chris Chovit avec@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov AVIRIS Experiment Coordinator pager #: (888) 415-4547 From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:19:20 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 16:52:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDfBb-0006MS-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:52:27 -0800 Message-ID: <35098E46.6762@nyfac.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:52:34 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers References: <199803132259.AA09069@world.std.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dXnDjC.A.5NF.oNdC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4243 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:52:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 938c786e3eb52fac22e130d3ed51191b Sean T Barrett wrote: > Well, this is an interesting theory and statement. > Maybe I'm just a moron; I've spent ten years playing > a cheap guitar through a chorus pedal, a little eq > and reverb, direct to a 4-track. It doesn't feel lifeless > to me, although maybe I don't know any better. Whoa. I don't think that this is meant to be a personal attack, or some sort of auditory litmus test. For the first four years of my playing, I was very into the Cocteau Twins, Tones On Tail, and exploring how to make my guitar not sound like a guitar. My rig at the time was a Rat pedal, my beloved Quadroverb+, and a PA. I have recorded a ton of stuff through the same rig, through an old stereo EQ right into my four-track (still do record direct a lot) and the sound kicks ass. > Still, I don't consider the guitar direct > "half the instrument". Is an acoustic guitar > only 1/3 of an instrument because it lacks a pickup > and an amp? But it wouldn't surprise me if you considered your effects part of you instrument. > I don't _feel_ like > I'm missing anything. Then your probably not. > I find it outrageous to imagine > that getting an expensive amphead, a Marshall brake, > 2 4x12 (or whatever) cabinets, and a pair of really > good microphones is going to make my music sound > "better". Different, sure. There is a definite interaction between a good tube amp and a guitar. You may not think it is all that much fun. Some people don't like it when I solo using my pitch shifter set with a half step. > Another person explicitly raised the issue that > the advantage to amp cabinet coloration is that > the distorted guitar tone benefits from filtering. > I could believe this, but then why do we need > "speaker simulators"? Why not just a simple > low-pass filter on the output of your (possibly > tube-based) distortion pedal? I under the impression that is what an amp simulator is. Maybe there is some compression as well? > I guess I'm just struck by the arbitrariness of tone/instrument > choice. The endless quest to produce the perfect piano > synthesizer, the hammond b-3 synthesizer, etc. etc. > But I suppose we do have the pianos and hammonds of > today... the electic guitar itself, or more recently, the > Stick and Warr guitar. But the construction of sound > from electrons themselves is so much more powerful and > flexible than stretching thin wires very taut (although > the latter clearly has certain advantages), that I'd > expect all sorts of new and exciting possibilities > coming out of them... and instead it feels like the > last "surprising" thing coming out of the digital > domain was DX7-ish FM synthesis. No, I take that > back. Pitch-shifting is a new digital-only effect. My favorite pitch shifter is either the Boss Octaver or an MXR Blue Box. Both are analog. But by the above arguement, we would all be playing keyboards. All the amp simulators/physical modeller are trying to do (this is just a guess) is let one guy show up a gig with a clean Vox sound, a semi-distorted Fender sound, and a Marshall set on 'kill' without having to bring three expensive, ugainly and heavy amps and figuring out a way to switch between them. Hey if there was a gadget that worked that did that, I'd buy two. Trevor From ???@??? Fri Mar 13 09:37:38 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 02:23:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDRcf-0006jM-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 02:23:29 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980313120334.1fc7bab6@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:03:34 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers In-Reply-To: <199803122049.AA16535@world.std.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pfe_O.A.5HG.liQC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4199 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 02:23:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 62de9fefe16c9bc5f4b1ab0319a10255 >Umm... so why do people put up with this for guitar? >I don't understand the amp obsession. Why not learn >to love the sound of something other than the strange >coloring traditional guitar amps provide? Is there >really something inherently "good" about them, some >deficiency in the tone of the guitar the amp makes >up for, or such? Or are guitarists just used to how >guitars sound on other people's records? OK, here's my humble opinion. Undistorted, there's no problem putting guitar into the PA. Allan Holdsworth, Mike Oldfield and others extoll the virtues of going direct to the board. I do it myself - it gives a nice, acoustic-y tone. When distortion is used, however, much of the playing dynamics live lower down around the note fundamentals, which can get severely masked by distorting harmonics. This leads to a tone which was popular in the late 80s, oft referred to "wasp in a tin can" tone. Older speakers remove the higher order harmonics, allowing more expressive control over playing. What I have done in the past is a compromise - go into 2 channels of the PA with a clean sound on one channel and the fuzz sound on the other. Put different FX on them (this system had a Chandler echo and microverb on one side, a Yam FX900 on t'other) ans dend them to separate speakers. This preserved the dynamics of the note (on the clean side) with the distortion and sustain, and gave an interesting shift as the sound passes from one side to the other (if the clean signal is louder than the distorted). I have to say, that was one of the most inspiring setups I've ever heard. Sadly, that rig is now back with its owner :( >What is wrong with Stanley Jordan's tone (I've never >heard it)? Is it just not-what-you're-used-to? >Would you complain if it was coming out of a DX-7? Put it a similar way - given the choice, would most keyboard players go for a real grand piano or a DX7 recreation of one? Michael From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:19:07 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 14:15:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDcjc-0002CV-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:15:24 -0800 Message-ID: <0bdf01bd4ebd$f0284b80$dcf0ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: RealAudio samples from LD Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:23:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"7ppIkD.A.5BB.Q4aC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4233 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:15:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 1e487c4fb63faf6c43743f081f09c47b My only concern with MP3s is that, though the sound quality is vasly improved, the file sizes are BIG, and Im not sure, but I dont think you can make them 'streaming'..its nice to just click on a link and hear something, even if it is bad AM radio quality, at least it gives me an idea what other people are up to. Anyone else?? Dave Eichenberger -----Original Message----- From: Tim Walker To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 3:15 PM Subject: RealAudio samples from LD >Hi there, y'all... > >This is my first post to LD, so my greetings to all the regulars. I >hope to de-lurk from time to time, and look forward to listening as >well as contributing... > >The subject of a sound samples page at the LD site caught my attention. >I'm all in favour of the idea, except for one detail: should it be >RealAudio **only**? Personally, I'm an enthusiast of MPEG3 audio, >mainly for reasons of sound quality and its cross-platform nature (I >don't use Win32 or the Mac, and have had problems with the Win16 >RealPlayer), and intend to >use MPEG3 for my Web site's future audio clips. > >However, I think the audio clips page is a great idea - perhaps the >file format could be left to the individual? For that matter, can MP3s >be converted to RealAudio format easily? > >Friends, loopers, countrymen, lend me your views... > >Best wishes, >Tim. > > > >*******************Tim Walker - Staines, UK***************** > tawalker@dircon.co.uk - www.users.dircon.co.uk/~tawalker/ > "Quiet is the absence of sound, silence the presence of >*******************silence." (Robert Fripp)***************** > > From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:18:54 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 12:39:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDbEx-0005rA-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:39:39 -0800 Message-ID: <3509990D.5883B61E@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:37:33 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Walker CC: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: RealAudio samples from LD References: <199803131959.TAA08215@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"u9bN0D.A.YwE.pgZC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4226 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:39:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 4f118501128d330e525aae7dcb81a8a1 Hey Tim, Yeah I'd Like to use mp3s myself but the space required on my website is prohibitive. Question;not everybody has streaming samples on they're sites and we have aus,wavs and now mp3s on the site, can they be made to stream? Real Audio for all its problems seems the only bandwith possible solution for now at least.Comments anybody? Jeff Tim Walker wrote: > Hi there, y'all... > > This is my first post to LD, so my greetings to all the regulars. I > hope to de-lurk from time to time, and look forward to listening as > well as contributing... > > The subject of a sound samples page at the LD site caught my attention. > I'm all in favour of the idea, except for one detail: should it be > RealAudio **only**? Personally, I'm an enthusiast of MPEG3 audio, > mainly for reasons of sound quality and its cross-platform nature (I > don't use Win32 or the Mac, and have had problems with the Win16 > RealPlayer), and intend to > use MPEG3 for my Web site's future audio clips. > > However, I think the audio clips page is a great idea - perhaps the > file format could be left to the individual? For that matter, can MP3s > be converted to RealAudio format easily? > > Friends, loopers, countrymen, lend me your views... > > Best wishes, > Tim. > > *******************Tim Walker - Staines, UK***************** > tawalker@dircon.co.uk - www.users.dircon.co.uk/~tawalker/ > "Quiet is the absence of sound, silence the presence of > *******************silence." (Robert Fripp)***************** From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:18:54 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 12:54:23 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDbT7-000027-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:54:17 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDbT5-0002DZ-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:54:15 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDbSx-00000r-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:54:07 -0800 Message-ID: <35099B1C.F7418CDD@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:46:20 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nyfac2@nyfac.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers References: <199803122049.AA16535@world.std.com> <350943BE.186F@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aGfYPC.A.11F.loZC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4227 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:54:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 022012cef6cbe9847cd47d076389956a tbajus wrote: > Sean T Barrett wrote: > > > > >And forget about putting anything other than guitar sounds > > >through it, the amp colors it too much. > > > > Umm... so why do people put up with this for guitar? > > I don't understand the amp obsession. Why not learn > > to love the sound of something other than the strange > > coloring traditional guitar amps provide? > > Why play guitar at all? Keyboards are much better- they have a better > range, you can play bass lines, melodies, and countermelodies all at the > same time time, they can have more sounds, you can plug the output right > into the PA and use the club's monitors, they have sequencers, etc, etc > , etc. > Why play guitar?Cause it will make sound that no keyboard will ever make. > My problem is that I like the flaws in guitar sounds- the little > scraping of strings against the fret, finger noise. Most of the > modellers seem to dig the generic LA session musician's tone. > > Yeech. Give me a Neil Young preset, or a Greg Ginn patch. > Trevor Thats what I mean. Jeff > > From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:19:07 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 14:07:34 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDcbq-00017W-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:07:22 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDcbo-0005Qn-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:07:20 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDcbb-00015P-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:07:07 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199803132159.NAA13655@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:59:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980313192032.00ae7e48@pop.chromatic.com> from "Kim Flint" at Mar 13, 98 11:20:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"buUFTC.A.7F.GxaC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4232 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:07:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 7522a9de643400db19e2598f59c4fe59 I've always liked the idea of getting a little tube amp for the overdriven sounds (e.g. the Mesa Boogie Subway Blues or the Ampeg ???Rocket or ??) and using that in conjunction with the full range amplification setup. Just mic the little tube amp and use your mixer to do whatever you want to it (add effects, split it, just leave it dry, etc.). That way, you get all the benefits of power tube overdrive, electric guitar/amp interaction, etc. with better portability. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:19:11 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 14:55:51 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDdMh-00071R-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:55:47 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDdMf-0007ax-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:55:45 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDdMY-00070H-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:55:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:30:08 -0800 Message-ID: <000A3DBB.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Smaller Speakers To: Laurie Hatch , loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"tK1N9C.A.34F.egbC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4236 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:55:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 8beef5c06bedbd348e6a1718bb770131 Hi Laurie... I'm mostly confused the size issue with EON's, like you mentioned. I'm really hedging about adding too much size to my acoustic rig. Did you get the 10" powered model? For those of you interested here's the JBL Freq. Response specs... The EON 10" Powered 70 Hz - 16 Khz The EON 10" Non-powered 70 Hz - 15 Khz The EON 10" Powered 50 Hz - 20 Khz The EON 10" Non-powered 60 Hz - 15 Khz >From the specs, it appears that the most bang for the buck is the powered 15" -Miko ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- My $.02: I just recently picked up a couple of used powered Eon 10's through Recycler online. (For people new to the list, it's a good source for all kinds of goodies, including jammies, vortexes, etc.) http://www.recycler.com/default.htm From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:19:18 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 16:26:25 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDemK-00030W-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:26:20 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDdX7-0000Nm-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:06:34 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDdWw-0000eb-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:06:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:32:32 -0800 Message-ID: <000A3DBC.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Smaller Speakers To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, lahatch@dnai.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"17TsjB.A.m2G.unbC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4237 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:06:22 -0800 X-UIDL: b891abbbed05958a504a2dd3bdf3777e Hi Laurie... Oops... I'd say from your post, that you DID get the powered 10's. I think I'm getting dyslexic or just plain addled here at the end of my week! My $.02: I just recently picked up a couple of used powered Eon 10's through ------- Recycler online. (For people new to the list, it's a good source for all kinds of goodies, including jammies, vortexes, etc.) http://www.recycler.com/default.htm From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:19:12 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 15:09:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDdZO-000100-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:08:54 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:59:44 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199803132259.AA09069@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers Resent-Message-ID: <"IqfmwB.A.HIH.vpbC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4238 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:08:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 3f5fe5e97bbf94e11ab5c3c69a486879 kim: >I guess you're not a guitar player, right? An electric guitar >by itself is only half the instrument. [snip] >That is also why a guitar through a flat PA system will sound >very bad, and to the player, it will feel lifeless. Well, this is an interesting theory and statement. Maybe I'm just a moron; I've spent ten years playing a cheap guitar through a chorus pedal, a little eq and reverb, direct to a 4-track. It doesn't feel lifeless to me, although maybe I don't know any better. Still, I don't consider the guitar direct "half the instrument". Is an acoustic guitar only 1/3 of an instrument because it lacks a pickup and an amp? I realize you didn't intend this as a combative statement, rather an explanation to a non-guitarist outsider about why amplifiers are important, so now perhaps my puzzlement is clearer. I don't _feel_ like I'm missing anything. I find it outrageous to imagine that getting an expensive amphead, a Marshall brake, 2 4x12 (or whatever) cabinets, and a pair of really good microphones is going to make my music sound "better". Different, sure. But "better"? Much as I really can't imagine what magic I could hear if I touched my fingers to a Klein. Maybe I'm just a philistine--_tone_ deaf, as it were--and maybe someday I'll have the requisite ear-opening experience. Another person explicitly raised the issue that the advantage to amp cabinet coloration is that the distorted guitar tone benefits from filtering. I could believe this, but then why do we need "speaker simulators"? Why not just a simple low-pass filter on the output of your (possibly tube-based) distortion pedal? [re: watercolors in specific, but also sound and synthesis in general] >Usually those imperfections are what made >it unique and desireable in the first place. [snip] >If you truly want to recreate that digitally, you need to >replicate all of the characteristics that make it that way. I agree totally. The question is _why_ "truly recreate it digitally"? I was trying to point out the consequences of "true re-creation"--perhaps it is twice as much work accurately reproducing all the frills and accidental properties of something as it would be to simply make something new and never before seen. [And I know the answer to "why", see next paragraph :) ] >>I understand the commerce motivation to sound/look "just like" >>the real thing, but I find the end result to be such a waste >>of energy--imagine if all that effort were to be put into >>creating new sounds/looks! [*] > >I can tell you from experience that trying to do new things is what often >turns into a huge waste of energy, or money mostly. It takes a long, long >time for people to adopt it and start to use it. Of course. Hence my phrase "the commerce motivation". You gots ta eat! But I still think it sucks. I guess I'm just struck by the arbitrariness of tone/instrument choice. The endless quest to produce the perfect piano synthesizer, the hammond b-3 synthesizer, etc. etc. But I suppose we do have the pianos and hammonds of today... the electic guitar itself, or more recently, the Stick and Warr guitar. But the construction of sound from electrons themselves is so much more powerful and flexible than stretching thin wires very taut (although the latter clearly has certain advantages), that I'd expect all sorts of new and exciting possibilities coming out of them... and instead it feels like the last "surprising" thing coming out of the digital domain was DX7-ish FM synthesis. No, I take that back. Pitch-shifting is a new digital-only effect. I could go on, but this rant is mostly off-topic, so I better stop. Sean From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:18:56 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 13:07:25 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDbfh-0001mH-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:07:17 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDbfb-0002u5-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:07:11 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDbfJ-0001j3-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:06:53 -0800 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.61 Message-ID: <2122@mainstring.win.net> Reply-To: pk@mainstring.win.net (Pat Kirtley) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:46:44 Subject: psychoacoustics From: pk@mainstring.win.net (Pat Kirtley) Resent-Message-ID: <"Kbkof.A.8b.u2ZC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4229 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:06:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 46d2ba79ac1fdec5cdf0b96aa86f3e36 David Myers wrote: >Now this is really getting off topic I guess, but with all the talk here >about ears & perception of sound I'd like to ask the following of you >intelligent people: > >do you hear a sound in your head? > >I've gotten some very interesting answers to this question, usually from >musicians and artists. To be clear, I don't mean tinnitus or any similar >malady. I believe that John Cage called it the sound of the nervous system >working. Different people's perception/non-perception of the phenomenon is >quite varied and curious. > About 5 years or so ago I heard a discussion (on NPR) of the findings of some researchers that was highly interesting. In studying victims of tinnitus they found that some sufferers with acute cases of the affliction actually had sounds coming out of their ears! The high-pitched tone was somehow being produced within the ear, and excited the eardrum in such a way as to broadcast it externally. The appearance of the phenomenon led them to further studies and yielded a hypothesis: The ringing is a real, physical attribute of the hearing process, and in normally functioning people it functions as an "active feedback" mechanism to allow the ear to hear extremely weak sounds. In other words, some physical mechanism inside the ear is able to oscillate in pure tones at frequencies in the range of desired sounds. Tinnitus occurs when this process goes wild for various reasons (ear damage due to loud noises, disease, infection etc.). In individuals with normal hearing, the tone is very weak and hardly ever perceived consciously. I never heard any more about the research, and never was able to locate any materials. I thought it was fascinating, (i.e. the ear as an "actively resonant" device) and a plausible theory about how our ears are so sensitive to extremely weak sound intensities. PK From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:19:16 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 16:08:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDeV9-0000fT-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:08:35 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980314000138.00d548e8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:01:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: RealAudio samples from LD Resent-Message-ID: <"qJJYvC.A.EJH.HkcC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4240 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:08:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 40a1b9a488f3e44a95a0e8a73949f8f8 I don't think you need the Headspace authoring tools to get it to loop do you? I think that's a command in the html and the Beatnik plug-in loops the sound. So you just put a .wav in there and tell people to use Beatnik to listen to it. I don't know about groovoids and the rest, but from the user point of view the plugin works cross platform and is quite peachy IMHO. also, it seems to me the point of an audio sample page on the Looper site would be for people to get a quick idea of what other people are doing while browsing profiles. For that, streaming audio would be the way to go. If you want to distribute high quality versions of your music over the internet, you could just have people get that directly from your site. kim At 05:46 PM 3/13/98 -0500, Jeff Duke wrote: >I think Beatnic could but I don't have a Mac and they ,so far,don't have a >Windows authoring tool.Damn this incopatibility!Oh well at least they got midi >right. > >Chris Chovit wrote: > >> Which audio formats can be looped (ie. repeated indefinitely)? To me, this >> is key, seeing as it is the theme of our site... >> >> - chris >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Chris Chovit avec@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov >> AVIRIS Experiment Coordinator pager #: (888) 415-4547 > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:19:16 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 16:16:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDecu-0001kL-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:16:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3509CBCC.E1A760FE@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:14:04 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers References: <2.2.32.19980313192032.00ae7e48@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yNI3FD.A.gu.4qcC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4241 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:16:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 1f056f5e703f8ec28e874e2b646d1159 screw this,I'm going back to my Marshall,Les Paul,Crybaby combo! ACDC anyone? Jeff Kim Flint wrote: > At 03:49 PM 3/12/98 -0500, Sean T Barrett wrote: > >>And forget about putting anything other than guitar sounds > >>through it, the amp colors it too much. > > > >Umm... so why do people put up with this for guitar? > >I don't understand the amp obsession. Why not learn > >to love the sound of something other than the strange > >coloring traditional guitar amps provide? Is there > >really something inherently "good" about them, some > >deficiency in the tone of the guitar the amp makes > >up for, or such? Or are guitarists just used to how > >guitars sound on other people's records? > > I guess you're not a guitar player, right? An electric guitar by itself is > only half the instrument. The other half is the amplifier. You play that as > much as you do the guitar, and a good amp is carefully designed with that in > mind. That is why guitar players will generally spend more time obsessing > about their amplifiers than their guitars, and why everything other than a > guitar will sound crappy through it. That is also why a guitar through a > flat PA system will sound very bad, and to the player, it will feel > lifeless. The amplifier itself is not reacting to the playing, and it feels > flat and unispiring. This reactive aspect of tube guitar amps is a big part > of the reason people like them. > > >The music industry's obsession with recreating and > >refining "flawed-but-familiar" technology (an obsession > >shared throughout much of the worlds technology > >research) feels to me like an inevitable consequence > >of commerce: > > That's a player obsession, not an industry obsession. Players demand it, so > manufacturers provide it. Some manufacturers try to innovate and make > "classic" sounds cheaply by designing simulations. For example, the sound > made by old TB-303's is very popular in some music. As a result, real > TB-303's are impossible to find and extremely expensive, which cuts most > people out of the scene. So several companies have come up with various > inexpensive recreations of that sound to meet the huge demand. Many > companies have been very successful with that. > > The guitar amp industry is totally insane. If you were to perfectly recreate > a tube amp in a digital processor (which I think is technically impossible, > actually, but anyway...), and place it down next to the original for guitar > players to compare, the guitar players will always want to buy the one with > real tubes in it. They might actually buy the simulation, but only because > they couldn't afford the real thing. > > No manufacturer in their right mind would want to manufacture tube amps and > analog synthesizers. Those are expensive and difficult things to do, much > more so than modern stuff. Recreating those sounds with simulations is also > very difficult, and subject to numerous reactionary responses from very, > very finicky customers. But that's what people want..... > > >old thing--e.g. animated watercolors--but the odd thing is > >the amount of attention that goes into precisely replicating > >-unintentional artifacts- of the medium. Virtual brush strokes > >produce various sorts of splotches and drips, and the programs go > >to great lengths to reproduce these, so it will look "just like" > >the real thing. > > Usually those imperfections are what made it unique and desireable in the > first place. Watercolor paintings look very different than other types of > images. They also require special approaches and techniques. If you truly > want to recreate that digitally, you need to replicate all of the > characteristics that make it that way. Also, those imperfections cause the > artist to create in a way they might not otherwise. So if you want a > watercolor artist to be able to use digital equipment and have it feel the > same in all respects, you need to recreate all of the imperfections. > Otherwise, the artist's creative process will be disrupted and they won't > feel comfortable with the medium. If you are not a watercolor artist, you > almost certainly won't get it. Same with all the sounds people want. > > >I understand the commerce motivation to sound/look "just like" > >the real thing, but I find the end result to be such a waste > >of energy--imagine if all that effort were to be put into > >creating new sounds/looks! [*] > > I can tell you from experience that trying to do new things is what often > turns into a huge waste of energy, or money mostly. It takes a long, long > time for people to adopt it and start to use it. The inventor typically goes > bankrupt during that period, and only on the off chance that some retro > movement comes along later and requires his invention does he have a chance > to get anything out of it. In most cases, nothing ever happens at all. There > are many, many people creating interesting new things all of the time, but > they will mostly fail to ever be noticed since the vast majority of people > are not interested in new things. > > The smart business plan is to do something that people want now, and are > willing to pay for roughly around the time your bills are due.... > > >I guess the VG-8 attempts to balance this line--allowing > >precise emulation of all sorts of guitars and amps while > >also allowing new, never-before-heard things to be done > >to it... > > I always thought the VG-8 was terrible for emulating anything, but great for > making new sounds. That's probably why nobody bought them and roland stopped > making them. > > >but in general the process bugs the heck out of me. > > well, if you actively support and buy new things, so that the people taking > all of the risk to do them can survive at it, maybe it will change. > > kim > _______________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:19:20 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 17:20:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDfci-0001sh-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:20:28 -0800 Message-ID: <3509DB91.2297700E@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:21:21 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nyfac2@nyfac.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers References: <199803132259.AA09069@world.std.com> <35098E46.6762@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cjjoKB.A.UYB.XqdC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4244 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:20:28 -0800 X-UIDL: a62f54db86125087372ebc2833be2221 tbajus wrote: > But by the above arguement, we would all be playing keyboards. All the > amp simulators/physical modeller are trying to do (this is just a guess) > is let one guy show up a gig with a clean Vox sound, a semi-distorted > Fender sound, and a Marshall set on 'kill' without having to bring three > expensive, ugainly and heavy amps and figuring out a way to switch > between them. Hey if there was a gadget that worked that did that, I'd > buy two. > Trevor If it existed Id buy one if I could afford it!But I dont have the cash and anyway everytime I get a new amp/setup my bro says I diddle the knobs(yeah)till I sound like me!Jeff From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:19:21 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 17:36:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDfry-0003Th-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:36:14 -0800 X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3509B64F.F3530514@bellsouth.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:40:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: RealAudio samples from LD Resent-Message-ID: <"M6M1AC.A.g1C.54dC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4245 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:36:14 -0800 X-UIDL: aeb457a171a718d2aba3c75c45d6e56a At 17:42 -0500 3/13/98, Jeff Duke wrote: > If anybdy can tell me that I'll take it! > > Chris Chovit wrote: > > > Which audio formats can be looped (ie. repeated indefinitely)? To me, this > > is key, seeing as it is the theme of our site... Sorry if I'm splitting hairs, but ... any audio file in any format can be looped. It's a question of whether the player can do it :) I think one of the old Mac sound helper apps (SoundApp) might loop just about any format you like, though modern browsers play sounds directly and I don't think they loop, generally. Anyhow, I think RealAudio is the best choice if streaming and a large installation base are the main concerns. Doug --- Doug Wyatt Sonosphere - electro-organic music, music software doug@sonosphere.com http://www.sonosphere.com/ From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:18:51 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 12:13:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDaq2-0002SX-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:13:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199803131959.TAA08215@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> From: "Tim Walker" To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Date: Fri, 13 Mar 98 19:51:32 Reply-To: "Tim Walker" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RealAudio samples from LD Resent-Message-ID: <"vX1pOC.A.6PB.DGZC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4224 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:13:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 167f07fed12198402c53b93e8d08c846 Hi there, y'all... This is my first post to LD, so my greetings to all the regulars. I hope to de-lurk from time to time, and look forward to listening as well as contributing... The subject of a sound samples page at the LD site caught my attention. I'm all in favour of the idea, except for one detail: should it be RealAudio **only**? Personally, I'm an enthusiast of MPEG3 audio, mainly for reasons of sound quality and its cross-platform nature (I don't use Win32 or the Mac, and have had problems with the Win16 RealPlayer), and intend to use MPEG3 for my Web site's future audio clips. However, I think the audio clips page is a great idea - perhaps the file format could be left to the individual? For that matter, can MP3s be converted to RealAudio format easily? Friends, loopers, countrymen, lend me your views... Best wishes, Tim. *******************Tim Walker - Staines, UK***************** tawalker@dircon.co.uk - www.users.dircon.co.uk/~tawalker/ "Quiet is the absence of sound, silence the presence of *******************silence." (Robert Fripp)***************** From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:19:23 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 21:19:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDjLz-00054n-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:19:27 -0800 Message-ID: <350A0FE1.83A71393@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:04:34 -0500 From: looperanne@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Akai S612 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kFzm1D.A.JbE.kKhC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4246 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:19:27 -0800 X-UIDL: bdd2f669b4b6403820e9c5d4afc08120 Does anyone out there have a line on an Akai s 612 sampler for sale in the NY/NJ area, or maybe some chat about features, tricks, discs, or anything else about em'. I have two. One has an I/O port to hook up to a commodore cassette drive, (cool huh?). I found one at a garage sale, but I can't get it going. I've also bought a new Roland S202 Dr. Sampler recently, and the similarity between this unit and the old Akai's are amazing. Any thoughts? From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:19:29 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 21:54:57 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDjuJ-0007mN-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:54:55 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDjuI-0005KM-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:54:54 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDjuD-0007lc-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:54:49 -0800 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:51:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803140551.AAA23070@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: deja vu Akai S612 Resent-Message-ID: <"u2VgmC.A.i5G.RrhC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4247 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:54:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 265b2c308b8473fe71b1602d33542402 Bizarre . . .I just did a trade for one that is supposedly coming in this weekend--in fact I saw your subject heading and thought it was the guy telling me when he was getting in . . . I haven't had a chance to play with one , but I liked the fact that 1) typical period-Akai styling--lights and had lots of tweakable KNOBS (an obsession of mine--ask anyone on this list)--don't need to mess with computors--real tactile loop manipulation 2) 12 bit like my Casio RZ-1 sampling drum machine--like the even dozen. 16, 20, 24 bits means increased resolution of my lack of musicianship. 3) matches my AX-80 synth from the same period 4) if you can find an AX-60 or 73 synth, you can run the samples through the synths versatile filter section---Yummm! I'm on the prowl . . . I got all my info from Synth Site, Hyperreal (Analogue Machines), Synth Museum and Synth Fool! all of which have info on these Akai pieces---Oh yeah, and Steve (SKULLSAW) of this group who has one (save the Japanese instruments disc for me!) all looped up and nowhere to go~~~Tom At 12:04 AM 3/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone out there have a line on an Akai s 612 sampler for sale in >the NY/NJ area, >or maybe some chat about features, tricks, discs, or anything else about >em'. >I have two. One has an I/O port to hook up to a commodore cassette >drive, (cool huh?). >I found one at a garage sale, but I can't get it going. I've also bought >a new Roland S202 >Dr. Sampler recently, and the similarity between this unit and the old >Akai's are amazing. >Any thoughts? > > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 01:19:30 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 13 22:51:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDkmi-0003i5-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:51:08 -0800 Message-ID: <001f01bd4f15$110cc900$e022dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: RealAudio samples from LD Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:47:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"ydSJYC.A.JQD.OhiC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4248 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:51:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 2e1e8355de0ded9ddb7f79c5766a25f0 Chris Chovit inquired: >> > Which audio formats can be looped (ie. repeated indefinitely)? To me, this >> > is key, seeing as it is the theme of our site... Agreed with Doug Wyatt, that it's the Player (or Playing Process Used) that determines whether or not it can loop. The format of the file is irrelevant unless perhaps its size (or other factors) cause poor playback or rewinding of the sound file altogether. But this is rare. HOWEVER! (And, no, I'm not coveting the head seat on The McLaughlin Group) A major difficulty is the nature of the player/encoder technology. I tend to stay the heck away from anything that requires the people who visit my site to download something they'll never use anywhere else (unless such a thing were completely unique). I also avoid solutions that require a large monetary investment on my part. Encoders need content, my fellow loopers, more than they need funds from the people who make that content. That is, us. So far, the folks who win the prize for being non-proprietary would be the RealAudio producers. A lot of the other file formats/players/etc are both a huge download and expense, and in comparison with that it tends to be no contest. I say this with the caveat that this happens regardless of resultant sound quality, since, I think, people will sit and wait for it to get better if they're not happy with it, rather than spend a lot of money for something that flat out isn't close to a standard, and only readable/writable by one company's software. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:43:55 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 01:59:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDnj4-0004Tg-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:59:34 -0800 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:55:20 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: AW: RealAudio samples from LD Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199803140455_MC2-36B1-3211@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"rygAg.A.q9D.1RlC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4249 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:59:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 272a31a4e3d87a00f613f6c9058d0258 >I think RealAudio is the best choice if streaming and a large >installation base are the main concerns. that's right but just to make sure, you (or your internet provider) need a realaudio server for streaming. If you don't have a realaudio server, you can't do streaming realaudio, but you can still use the encoder to produce real small audio files for people to download. michael peters mpeters@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters.htm From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:43:56 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 02:10:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDnta-0005Nq-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:10:26 -0800 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:19:06 -0600 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <350A599A.5D18@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199803132259.AA09069@world.std.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"2XFBsD.A.0zE.6blC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4250 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:10:26 -0800 X-UIDL: d63611bb1cc8a5c6e61e8a9624d88eda Sean T Barrett wrote the stuff with >, and Kim's quotes get > >: > > kim: > >I guess you're not a guitar player, right? An electric guitar > >by itself is only half the instrument. > [snip] > >That is also why a guitar through a flat PA system will sound > >very bad, and to the player, it will feel lifeless. That _can_ be the case, but isn't necessarily always true. It depends on the guitar's pickups, the impedance loading them, the strings, and the musical context. Most electric guitars have passive magnetic pickups. If they're loaded too heavily (i.e., the input impedance of the amplifier is too low), the high frequencies will be rolled off severely. The hi-Z inputs of most PA systems, typically 50K, will of course strangle the signal from most passive magnetic pickups. (The typical guitar amp's 220K is actually a bit low as well, but in this case it's a _feature_, slightly rolling off the upper harmonics so they don't clash quite so badly with the harmonics the amp has been carefully designed to generate.) Many if not most electric guitarists also use nickel or Monel strings; stainless steel strings are much brighter sounding (i.e., the harmonics are a stronger component of the total signal). (I'm a stainless string bigot-- been using them on _everything_ (acoustic as well as electric guitars, dulcimer, lap and pedal steels, banjo) since 1980.) So, yeah, the typical passive-pickup electric guitar will sound bad and feel lifeless through a flat PA. But let me plug my stainless-strung Peavey Generation solidbody directly into the flat PA of your choosing, and I guarantee you a range of sounds that will be absolutely delicious for 99% of what I do, which is folky or swingy strumming and fingerstyle. Or, if you'll allow me one stompbox if I swear I won't use it, I'll guarantee the same with my Casio MIDI guitars. The Peavey has active pickups-- tiny FET preamps in each, EMG-style-- which preserve the highs no matter what the amplifier's input Z might be. Playing a passive-pickup Casio, I'd go through a TS-5 Tube Screamer or PQ-9 (quasi-)Parametric EQ. Neither of these has true bypass-- the first thing the guitar signal hits is a very hi-Z FET preamp which is always on, whether the effect is engaged or not. On the other hand, that Matchless or Rivera or Mesa or Marshall, which sings so sweetly when it's fed single notes or "power chords", would probably sound pretty bad for my strummin' and fingerpickin'... > Well, this is an interesting theory and statement. > Maybe I'm just a moron; I've spent ten years playing > a cheap guitar through a chorus pedal, a little eq > and reverb, direct to a 4-track. It doesn't feel lifeless > to me, although maybe I don't know any better. There's a good chance your chorus pedal (or whichever your first effect is) buffers your pickup signal sufficiently to let your highs reach the tape. I gigged for several years with electric guitars plugged into an old MXR Stereo Chorus which fed the PA directly, and was quite pleased with the sound. > Still, I don't consider the guitar direct > "half the instrument". Is an acoustic guitar > only 1/3 of an instrument because it lacks a pickup > and an amp? Nah, it's just a _different_ instrument. Actually, most of what I do is acoustic guitar playing, only I do it on a solid-body electric. :-) > Another person explicitly raised the issue that > the advantage to amp cabinet coloration is that > the distorted guitar tone benefits from filtering. > I could believe this, but then why do we need > "speaker simulators"? Why not just a simple > low-pass filter on the output of your (possibly > tube-based) distortion pedal? Because the filtering that occurs is anything but simple, involving the complex interactions of cabinet resonance, cone resonance, the mysteries of Damping Factor, the phase of the moon, the price of frozen pork bellies on the Chicago Board of Trade, your gender, and (if you're Eric Johnson) the precise curves of the oxygen-free cable connecting head to cabinet. ;-) > I could go on, but this rant is mostly off-topic, so I > better stop. I think it's dead on-topic. The question underlying this thread is, "I wanna make my rig smaller and lighter; how much money must I spend to have it sound good?" Despite what I've said above, I am not immune to the charms of a good tube amplifier. I vividly remember the chills the first time I heard someone playing through a Matchless in a music store. I think, though, that many of the subtle nuances of such an amplifier are likely to be masked by environmental (dare I say ambient?) noise at the venues where one wants a small, light rig. For me, certainly, a simple low-pass filter would be sufficient cabinet emulation. John Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/ From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:01 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 03:57:28 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDpZ8-0002aJ-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:57:26 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDpZ6-0003Mu-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:57:24 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDpZ3-0002ZW-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:57:21 -0800 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:19:24 -0600 From: John Pollock Subject: Beatnik (was: Re: RealAudio samples from LD) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <350A59AC.5AFF@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <2.2.32.19980314000138.00d548e8@pop.chromatic.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"H1ZvhB.A.7IC.IAnC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4253 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:57:21 -0800 X-UIDL: d53695f8cc06fa885ed03edeb47de880 Kim Flint wrote: > > I don't think you need the Headspace authoring tools to get it to loop do > you? I think that's a command in the html and the Beatnik plug-in loops the > sound. So you just put a .wav in there and tell people to use Beatnik to > listen to it. I don't know about groovoids and the rest, but from the user > point of view the plugin works cross platform and is quite peachy IMHO. My mileage varies. I find Beatnik Plug-in v1.1.7 for the PC to be very unfriendly; the Mac version may not have these problems. First, unless you're very careful, it installs itself as the default viewer for RMF, MIDI, WAV, AIFF, au, SDII, and MOD files. Well, it just flat won't read MOD files (let alone IT, S3M, or XM files). :-( And the General MIDI implementation sucks (it doesn't honor the pan and modulation controllers, among other things). :-( Second (and this is the part that really matters), when you click on a link to one of these file types, Beatnik makes Netscape open a new, blank page with the Beatnik control panel, instead of opening a new, small window like Netscape's LiveAudio does. So much for listening while reading! :-( This can be averted by EMBEDding the audio file. But that means either downloading all the audio files on a page, whether the audience wants to or not, or a separate page for each profile/sound file. It can also be averted by instructing the audience to open a new browser window, using one for Beatnik and one for reading the page, but I think this would lose most of the audience (have I lost you yet?). For a better feel for how maddening this Beatnik behavior is, check out http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/6996/ using Beatnik to play the MIDI files. (They're small canons, intended to be heard while browsing the tiled graphics-- a sort of visual looping?) Third, it cannot handle RealAudio files, so we'd be forced to use much larger WAV, AU or AIFF files-- so much for streaming, and so much for most of the audience. :-( Fourth, while Beatnik does Windows and Mac (but only with Netscape 3.0 or higher in both instances), it's not available for any other platform, while RealAudio is available for more than a dozen. > also, it seems to me the point of an audio sample page on the Looper site > would be for people to get a quick idea of what other people are doing while > browsing profiles. For that, streaming audio would be the way to go. If you > want to distribute high quality versions of your music over the internet, > you could just have people get that directly from your site. I totally agree. Surprised? ;-) For me, continuous playback looping would be kinda pointless, since my loops are always part of a larger musical context ("It's your playing, only more of it." --dt, _GP_ 9/96). John Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/ From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:43:57 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 02:36:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDoIv-0006OP-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:36:37 -0800 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:30:51 -0600 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <350A5C5B.49C2@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199803132159.NAA13655@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"mmgH0C.A.PzF.z0lC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4251 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:36:37 -0800 X-UIDL: c735dd4aa8903257641dee4df90b7cb3 Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > I've always liked the idea of getting a little tube amp for the overdriven > sounds (e.g. the Mesa Boogie Subway Blues or the Ampeg ???Rocket or ??) > and using that in conjunction with the full range amplification setup. > Just mic the little tube amp and use your mixer to do whatever you want > to it (add effects, split it, just leave it dry, etc.). > > That way, you get all the benefits of power tube overdrive, electric > guitar/amp interaction, etc. with better portability. Neil Young and Ry Cooder have used this concept in some legendarily complex stage rigs. One virtue of this approach is that you can use a single-ended amp like a Fender Champ, which tend to have higher ratios of even (musical) to odd (sometimes unpleasant) harmonics than more powerful amps with push-pull output stages. John Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/) From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:43:57 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 03:09:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDooh-00017f-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:09:27 -0800 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 05:13:13 -0600 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: AW: RealAudio samples from LD To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <350A6649.41CE@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199803140455_MC2-36B1-3211@compuserve.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"b64cqD.A.R2.gTmC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4252 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:09:27 -0800 X-UIDL: d020bfd83f3e8c97396b079d9b729e9b Michael Peters wrote: > > >I think RealAudio is the best choice if streaming and a large > >installation base are the main concerns. > > that's right but just to make sure, you (or your internet provider) need a > realaudio server for streaming. If you don't have a realaudio server, you > can't do streaming realaudio, but you can still use the encoder to produce > real small audio files for people to download. Actually, even without a RealServer, you can do HTTP streaming. From the RealAudio and RealVideo Content Creation Guide Version 5.0: "HTTP streaming of RealAudio or RealVideo files enables content providers to stream RealAudio and RealVideo clips from a World Wide Web server. While this method is not as robust [as RealServer], it provides a reasonable method for providing short RealAudio and RealVideo content to a limited number of users. RealAudio and RealVideo works with all popular Web servers." I've found that HTTP streaming works fairly well from my site. In fact, with my brand-new 56K modem, I've even heard my 40.3KBPS files without interruption on some occasions, though not always. John Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/) From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:05 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 05:45:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDrFE-00006E-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 05:45:00 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: Gear acquisition(dreams) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:15:15 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4f42$d863d8e0$0b014382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"N73D3C.A.EOH.YloC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4256 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 05:45:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 9ff880014ad038d9d3d2b25b863a5938 >>You are so right! How about this one: >>An effect that actually REMOVES frequecies from the signal! so what you are >left >>with is a tone that sounds like......a laser beam!!!!!!! Wouldn`t that be >neat! >>E-bow that through my jamman and build chordscapes that sounds like overtones >>without the root present. Then I can Whammy it 2 octaves down to sound like >a robot!! >>Or too octaves up to call on the dogs ( and annoy women!)...........and >then Auto wah >>that!!!!! >>Sweet dreams , Thomas W >> >> >> >> > >it exists . . . thee old vintage monosynth . . > Tom! You better not be playin with my fragile mind!?!?! Are you? Can I play my guitar through an old synth??? Use its filter???? Why isn`t this stuff beeing massproduced??? is it?? :-) You got ma mojo workin`!!! Thanks , Thomas W PS. If I look , will I ever find one in this millennium??? What shuld I look for? From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:03 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 04:31:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDq5u-0004ZW-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:31:18 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: Guitar vs keyb.( Smaller Speakers) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:27:09 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4f44$820cf6a0$0b014382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"LY3h8B.A.lHE.agnC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4254 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:31:18 -0800 X-UIDL: f6e9ec695cb1e630ac38ec3d6b9eaad4 Lets not go there. Its a dead end as far as i`m concerned. Yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:04 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 05:39:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDr9x-0007Tw-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 05:39:33 -0800 Message-ID: <350A892C.E3A42ECF@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:42:05 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar vs keyb.( Smaller Speakers) References: <01bd4f44$820cf6a0$0b014382@pentium-200> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kZiTUB.A.VzG.NgoC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4255 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 05:39:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 236a4b5195ba0e2f9f24e988865f0e65 Sorry, your right, Jeff Woehni wrote: > Lets not go there. Its a dead end as far as i`m concerned. > > Yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:05 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 06:29:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDrvy-0002Y1-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:29:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199803141427.PAA19706@mb05.swip.net> From: "Mattias Ribbing" To: Subject: Echoplex in Europe Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:23:01 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mArEm.A.DNC.3OpC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4257 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:29:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 773ed2f55f799973ce1fae7b4a185755 Hi! I sent this question to Pat Murphy before, but since he didn«t answer it, maybe someone of you can. When will the Echoplex be available here in Europe (Sweden)??? The last I heard, was that it was being CE -tested in Italy, but that was several months ago. Is there a release date set? Im waiting for it with the money in my hand, and I really need to know. Thanks in advance, Mattias From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:07 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 07:04:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDsTl-0004S0-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:04:05 -0800 From: Texture444 Message-ID: <2d74b9f7.350a9b83@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:00:17 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: ears & more Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"COOFKB.A.G5D.GvpC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4258 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:04:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 16aaa3718fe4e112e389e97e82f884f7 >Thanks DT! Either you have a more interesting inner life than I have, or >maybe it IS tough to sort out the tinnitus from something other, eh? maybe, neither, though, as: 1) it seems very unlikely to me that i might have a "more interesting inner life" than you, and 2) i *think* i can distinguish between my tinnitus & these other sounds..... From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:08 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 07:08:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDsXm-0004xN-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:08:14 -0800 Message-Id: <199803141503.KAA05923@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: Subject: Re: Gear acquisition(dreams) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:04:34 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"A_8lO.A.OTE.mypC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4259 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:08:14 -0800 X-UIDL: e9fea17fb1d04ba594dea119bb3dfa87 Re: vintage synths with inputs: Here is a short list of instruments I have had experience with which can serve as processors. Instrument Availability Price range... Pros/Cons Roland SH-2 common $400 Great envelope filter. Roland SH-1 kinda rare $400 Great env. filter. Korg MS-10 common $400 Nice filter. No env. follower. Kork MS-03 kinda rare $100 Pitch-toVoltage control module/works with ms synths. Korg MS-20 common $700 Awesome instruments with built-in MS-03 and 2 filters. Korg X-911 common $200 Guitar synth w/dist./filt (no resonance) and a weird wah effect. EMS Hi-Fli rare $1500 Guitar synth w/ring mod/filter and distortion quite strange EMS VCS-3 rare $4000 Semi-modular synthesizer, AKS is the briefcase portable version. This can be used as a processor as well as stand-alone system. i.e: Fripp & Eno's No Pussyfooting. SCI Pro-One common $500 Nice monosynth with filter input. This is by no means a comprehensive list. I just wanted to get something going. Later, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N --------------------------------------------- jndk@colba.net http://www.alien8recordings.com Tom! You better not be playin with my fragile mind!?!?! Are you? Can I play my guitar through an old synth??? Use its filter???? Why isn`t this stuff beeing massproduced??? is it?? :-) You got ma mojo workin`!!! Thanks , Thomas W PS. If I look , will I ever find one in this millennium??? What shuld I look for? ---------- From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:10 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 08:29:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDtoU-0001zS-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:29:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199803141626.LAA28134@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: hearing, gender, new info... Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:26:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jJK2BC.A.lpB.m_qC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4260 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:29:34 -0800 X-UIDL: f4d7b1f63163e43e900645cde16934f2 > Subject: hearing, gender, new info... > Date: Sunday, August 17, 1997 7:38 PM > > This might be of more concern to Laurie, (as she was asking about more > info about hearing and gender) Sarahjane and Kim but I remebered some other > information I learned about possible differences in hearing between the > genders. There was a special edition of 20/20 a few months back which was > strictly devoted to the discussion of cerebral differences between genders. > This show touched on the subject hearing, but not in the way we've been > talking about it. I didn't go into any possible differences in physical > ability to hear, it discussed it from the point of view that we process > things differently in our brains. just to morph 2 recent (semi-off-)topics... ...and this from the current NYC weekly Village Voice, in their great "mad on the street" feature where they ask 8 or 10 people a stock set of 4-5 questions...this week the questions revolved around... (the following is simply quoted from VV March 17 1998) QUEER EARS - Researchers announced last week that lesbians have a physical trait different from heterosexual women; a less sensitive inner-ear, much like that of a male. So, is homosexuality genetic? Or do we have a choice? -andre east From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:12 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 09:10:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDuSK-0004hQ-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:10:44 -0800 Message-Id: <199803141707.MAA10505@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Guitar Oblique: Torn/Reid/Sharp Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:02:53 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DIsdOD.A.aGE.qlrC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4261 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:10:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 7a40dd1902f589cee96938aa1450166b fri 3/13/98 Knitting Factory Vernon Reid, Elliott Sharp, David Torn ahh, friday the 13th was very lucky for me... what a show! 3 of me very fave iconoclast string wranglers in a nice, small room with impeccable sound... they did 2 pieces, one about 55mins, the other under 10 mins. Hope it all comes out someday - the first piece was a journey thru a lot of textures and moods... - amazing how in the genre, sideby side - individuality shines thru - elliott # tended to stay rhythmic, setting up loops of his tapped neck, kinda stickish at times, occas. he would slide in a pedal steel note cascade..... torn made those mystery loops, sometimes they wouldn't hit ya for a while!!, and that distorto - tone! nothin like it (he's a shredder in torn clothing)- he also caused some cool random feedback to exist, with tha cool little mic-to-amp trick....vernon started out with a little, clean bluesy line, in general he jumped all around, from soundgarden VG8 ostinato crunch chords to a beautiful, bluesy interlude, while DT painted a cloud... VR also kicked in a tiny amount of triggered synth - or guitar/vg8 that sounded synthlike, whatever.. DT kicked the oud out at one point - whew!!! what an exquisite instro!! the fretless wonder of it all...... musically, a quick journey to the desert ensued, with vernon goofing behind his back, until DT caught on and joined in the laughter...!! Elliott seemed a bit serious thru it all ( maybe that's his expression, he's actually very funny) while DT and VR especially, cracked up and had a grand ol' time.... what i like the most was that nothing got old - they really listened to each other - ideas were supportive and would change just at the right time... and everyone was 'featured' with out it being a selfconscious MY TURN!MY TURN!! kinda thingie... left to right we had DT, VR, E#. DT with his beautious Klein and infamous rack (mostly a large mixer) plus of course the echoplex, vortex and i forget what else...and unique pedalboard - incl. all kindsa little goodies, delays, autowah, TC flange(?) and rivera amp, mebbe a fender too, not sure. etc Vernon used & abused one o' his many Hamer axes - w/built in roland GK-2A pickup, he had a VG-8 and a roland multiFX (the real cool one with the screen and the exp-pedal)-plus some kinda sequence driving ensoniq - the ASR-X (??) E# had his cool custom many stringed guitar-bass, a mac laptop which provided some sickness d & b grooves - he played thru a fender amp, plus a few delay pedals, boomerang, etc. also on his watch was a nice pedal steel..... so there ya have it - wish ya coulda been there.....can't wait for april 18 - DT returns with the mighty B.L.U.E. - Bruford Levin Upper Extremities.... 2 shows!!! be there, i will! i will! (check www.papabear.com for info on this new CD) did anyone tape the audio off the net??? i'm supposed to hear from someone who taped it live... andre' of the east ** check out the new site for the zappa tribute band i play guitar in.. PROJECT/OBJECT it is http://www.jswd.net/projectobject incl link for JFK'S LSD UFO - our avant-bizarre duo, dreamscapes to nightmare soundtrax pictures, soundbites, dates upcoming with 10 year zappa guitarist/vocalist IKE WILLIS... andre@monmouth.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:20 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 10:03:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDvH7-0000R4-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:03:13 -0800 Message-ID: <19980314175703.3344.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.22.78] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar Oblique: Torn/Reid/Sharp Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:57:02 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"ME23vD.A.9GH.wUsC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4262 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:03:13 -0800 X-UIDL: db94b456243e8b2ee6f1b9e709c16d05 Andre o' the east- Well I had heard about the show from Pete Cole on the Torn list that afternoon.... Surfed over to the knitting factory site around 3pst and surprise, there was the fellas tuning up. Torn playing outi and whatnot... So back to work I go until 5pst when I am ready to check out the show. The RealPlayer plug in pops up but now when i go to hit play, an error message pops up saying that the link was outdated... So I didn't see it or hear it. Did anyone get thru and/or roll tape? They gonna release this on disc? selam, buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:22 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 10:05:51 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDvJZ-0000lp-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:05:45 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDvJZ-00028R-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:05:45 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDvJP-0000kD-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:05:35 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980314120011.0069266c@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:00:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: hearing, gender, new info... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19970817173858.007a39c0@pop3.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"P0DCDC.A.FRH._VsC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4263 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:05:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 8ae5d87cae119ec902d67a03f6866392 I think your the gender hearing issue is an interesting point and I think probably one step might be to contextualize it a bit more, not to say you haven't already? It could probably be said that in the business environment of today men tend to compete in a narrow let's get this done way. That is not to include all industries but with respect to an office, results oriented career, I would suggest it is. I think that this is a positive issue for women because they will be able to think differently about how to solve things. This is quite an extension from hearing, but I think it has to be with being less fact-comparison these are statisitces based living, following the Norman Rockwell family where women were mainly housewives, men begin increasingly to work info-based work, not to say women weren't working outside the home! ...Now, a greater number of women than men are going to college. I think the idea of sound sensitivity due to a baby's cry, that conditioning is very important too in a women's sensitivity ability. Further having the sound dynamics at high frequencies being off in cheaper systems. It seems that to put both abilities together, on the one side to hear most everything, and the other to be able to focus on just one thing are very important, rational vs intuitive processes. I also think that while women do already have an inborn noise ability, they also can be driven to focus, and men the opposite. Being male, I have learned to listen to sound and determine what amp works, what speakers are best grounded, etc. not only that but what music I choose to work with as a DJ. I hope I have added to the discussion some interesting points, and would like to add some about looping. Is looping a gender issue, would the reptition and effects off it preclude one or another species more, or both? Maybe it's just a question of access still? Maybe men should have women make decisions on their sound units? (-; Mjh From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:39 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 14:06:28 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDz4R-0003me-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:06:23 -0800 Received: from (out5.ibm.net) [165.87.194.245] by falcon.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDz4R-0000rf-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:06:23 -0800 Received: from sartre.ibm.net (slip139-92-21-243.lo.uk.ibm.net [139.92.21.243]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA134758; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:06:16 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:06:07 -0000 Message-ID: <01BD4F95.6376E6A0.bnt@ibm.net> From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" To: "'Looper's Delight List'" Cc: "'Kim Flint'" Subject: New utility: LoopMetronome Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:09:23 -0000 Return-Receipt-To: "Brian Thomson, London UK" Organization: Frivolous Media Ltd. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: 842798a8282244a1b43c5df16159e352 Hello again. I'm not on the list at the moment (too many messages for comfort), but I thought you might like to know about a little freeware utility I've written that may come in handy. It's called LoopMetronome (well?), and it shows you your position in a long loop using a "bouncing ball", and lets you set up and divide up loops any way you like - e.g. 6 bars of 4/4, 2 bars of 7/8, and so on. I designed it for standard practice as well as for loopers. You can enter a time in seconds or tempo in BPM, and it does all the calculations required. So, for example, you can set up your loop delay to 20 seconds, set LoopMetronome to divide the time into 5 bars of 7/4, enter 20 seconds as total time, and LoopMetronome sets up the tempo correctly (105 BPM). You can then follow your position in the loop on screen and layer sounds etc. as precisely as you want to. I've put it on my web pages at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/3242/loopmetronome.html. I'm afraid it's quite big - 600k, and if you don't have any other Visual Basic 5 applications on your PC, you need to download another 1.2MB of "Visual Basic 5 Runtime" files from www.shareware.com (link on the page). (Microsoft gets part of the blame for that...) If you try it, I'd appreciate any feedback you can supply... Cheers, Brian Thomson, London UK bnt@ibm.net "Knowledge of the spirit-world is to be obtained by divination; information in natural science may be sought by inductive reasoning; the laws of the universe can be verified by mathematical calculation: but the dispositions of an enemy are ascertainable through spies and spies alone." -- from Mei Yao-ch`en's commentary on Sun Tzu's "Art Of War" From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:22 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 10:18:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDvVf-00026w-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:18:15 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: Gear acquisition(dreams) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:13:16 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4f74$dc799c80$9e004382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"kHPzV.A.EqB.4ksC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4264 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:18:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 94d7ffe0b8bbf46f9e2c35bde0c7e7b8 Great list , thanks a lot!!! BTW , a friend of mine actually owns a Korg ms-20 and he wants to sell it. Is there anything I should know before I try it out? >Re: vintage synths with inputs: > >Here is a short list of instruments I have had experience with which can serve >as processors. > >Instrument Availability Price range... Pros/Cons > >Roland SH-2 common $400 Great envelope filter. >Roland SH-1 kinda rare $400 Great env. filter. >Korg MS-10 common $400 Nice filter. No env. follower. >Kork MS-03 kinda rare $100 Pitch-toVoltage control module/works with ms synths. >Korg MS-20 common $700 Awesome instruments with built-in MS-03 and 2 filters. >Korg X-911 common $200 Guitar synth w/dist./filt (no resonance) and a weird wah effect. >EMS Hi-Fli rare $1500 Guitar synth w/ring mod/filter and distortion quite strange >EMS VCS-3 rare $4000 Semi-modular synthesizer, AKS is the briefcase portable > version. This can be used as a processor as well >as > stand-alone system. i.e: Fripp & Eno's No >Pussyfooting. >SCI Pro-One common $500 Nice monosynth with filter input. > > >This is by no means a comprehensive list. I just wanted to get something going. > >Later, > >D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N >--------------------------------------------- >jndk@colba.net >http://www.alien8recordings.com > > >Tom! You better not be playin with my fragile mind!?!?! Are you? >Can I play my guitar through an old synth??? Use its filter???? >Why isn`t this stuff beeing massproduced??? is it?? :-) You got ma mojo workin`!!! > >Thanks , Thomas W > >PS. If I look , will I ever find one in this millennium??? What shuld I look for? > >---------- > > From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:24 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 10:35:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDvlz-0003QW-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:35:07 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:31:35 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: RealAudio How to Question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"SQEh3B.A.R-C.I1sC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4265 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:35:07 -0800 X-UIDL: f5d12f135c27ade8bb624bf75949b6d4 I would be willing to set up a How to on real Audio as I would like to find out more to it myself. I have downloaded the Real Server Control Center, but in my precursory inspection, did not find how to record RA samples. If you know how to do real audio and would like to send me How to E-mail, I'll include it on the 3rdcd page. In the meantime, I'll read the doc. that came with the download. I think if enough of us as Looper's delight got free web sites from the myriads of free web site providers, then we could have quite a sample of the sounds we so lovingly refer. Thanks; John Peters href="http://members.aol.com/anet/3rdcd.html">3rd CD project From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:24 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 10:52:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDw2X-0004VH-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:52:13 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:47:05 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Getting LooPGigs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"nVByaD.A.99D.BFtC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4266 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:52:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 5217c2f5fb9c2d5329f1cfdd3897818c First off, getting a gig should not have anything to do with looping gear. If your able to appeal to an audience (looping gear or not) then you should have no problems getting venues to play. Step 1) Get a good 1 to 2 hour act together and spend plenty of attention to detail, sound quality etc. Step 2) Start hooking up with local musicans, find open stages, talk to band members, take an ad out in the paper for jam sessions at your place etc. etc. Step 3) Find a good support structure. Friends, that will come and give you the support you need to get off the ground, positive critique etc. Step 4) Make sure you have good equipment. Pay attention to your sound. Muddy sound, too much feedback, too loud, too tinny are all attributes that could drive folks away. Step 5) Be willing to play for free and travel great distances to do it. This will help you to find the venue that suits your style. Nothing worse than a Rock band in a Country bar. Step 6) Be extremely curteous to your audience and the propritors of the establishments you are invited to play. Remember, you are at their "house". If they want you to turn down, do it "happily". Step 7) Slowly build your venues and audiences being careful to play, to some degree, what they have come to hear or wish to hear. Step 8) Put a newletter togehter, establish a web site, take out an ad in the paper listing your service. Make a tape, cd, etc. Keep your day job unless you have the fortune to play music full time. I make about $300.00 a month playing gigs. Just a hobby, and it pays for more toys. What else could a person want? Good luck to you. Regards; John Peters From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:29 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 11:01:50 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDwBk-0005ZH-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:01:44 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDwBi-0003qS-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:01:42 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDwBZ-0005Xn-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:01:33 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980314125829.00696384@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:58:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: AW: RealAudio samples from LD In-Reply-To: <199803140455_MC2-36B1-3211@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"VU0uOB.A.fwE.pMtC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4267 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:01:33 -0800 X-UIDL: b4c5726bb4e0a09303bab4216b3f2755 At 04:55 AM 14-03-98 -0500, you wrote: >>I think RealAudio is the best choice if streaming and a large >>installation base are the main concerns. > >that's right but just to make sure, you (or your internet provider) need a >realaudio server for streaming. If you don't have a realaudio server, you >can't do streaming realaudio, but you can still use the encoder to produce >real small audio files for people to download. > >michael peters mpeters@compuserve.com >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters.htm > Can you speak some more about "real audio server" and can you get it on the Real Audio site? From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:30 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 11:03:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDwDV-0005ni-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:03:33 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980314125955.0068f0bc@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:59:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: DOS drivers, sound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iMHIvD.A.Y4E.oNtC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4268 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:03:33 -0800 X-UIDL: e3ad8b93f11c1736db23b50ead709208 My computer will not operate sound due to not being connected to DOS's sound drivers, I do not have a DOS book and the Computer Diagnostics book do not go into. Can anyone help me, before I call that thing called Customer Support? Mjh From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:31 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 11:19:02 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDwSQ-0007IS-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:18:59 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDwSP-0004Pv-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:18:57 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDwSH-0007H7-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:18:49 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <88fbcf01.350ad736@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:14:59 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Smaller Speakers, Light Gear. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"XdKsxD.A.6hG.zdtC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4269 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:18:49 -0800 X-UIDL: fe478656f56e9a267d0b0ae9a850684d This may sound odd to all of the electric guitar players out there, but I think I may have found something of interest concerning good sound in a light- weight rig. Being primarily an acoutic guitar player, I have always known that electric guitar amplifiers are not good for an acoutic guitar sound. It stands to reason that any amplifying device that has only one type of speaker in it cannot possibly produce the sound (especially higher frequencies) necessary to gain the tonal qualities inherant to an acoutic guitar. One day, I walked into a music store and saw a 60 pound acoustic guitar amp (Crate 125D) and thought I should try it. This little amp is really cool. It's light and has 125 watt rms power (certainly enough for any club, with the proper PA system) Line level out, effect send and returns, built in digital effect and a biamp construction with extremely good high frequency capability. It has two larger speakers and two horns or piezeos. As I played the amp. more, I began to become aware of the fact that most electric guitar sound has little or no high frequency components. Could it be because of the speakers? I think the answer is "absolutely". You cannot get high frequencies from a large speaker (or banks of large speakers). You have to have horns to produce those sounds. My son plugged his electric guitar into the amp and prefers it to his Roland 120 Chorus (A very well regarded amp). He tells me, and I believe that the sound is indeed better. My suggestion, go try a Crate 125D acoustic guitar amp with your electric rig. >From there, with the line level out, you just need a good PA. Remember, the entire amp weighs about 60 pounds and packs alot of punch. As far as a light weight PA system, go with switching trnasistor technology, 400 watt amps = 5 pounds, and check out Community Speakers, they are incredibly light with major ability. Technology is cool. Regards; John Peters From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:32 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 11:23:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDwWM-0007ni-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:23:02 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <84fe6301.350ad7e1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:17:56 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: AW: RealAudio samples from LD Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"6WyPMB.A.a5G.4gtC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4270 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:23:02 -0800 X-UIDL: d811ead5db50480b5bd2cd7bc1b6eda7 Yes, there is a server for non-commercial purposes available on the real audio site. I think its the third or fouth choice down from the top. Go on out there and download it. Pehaps we can hash this out together. I haven't really had a lot of time to read the doc. Seems like everything one does on the internet takes a million hours to accomplish, doesn't it? I'll allocate some time tomorrow. Regards; John Peters From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:33 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 11:55:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDx1N-000242-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:55:05 -0800 Message-ID: <001901bd4f82$9504bb60$6123dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: DOS drivers, sound Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:51:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"53V9ED.A.CoB.x_tC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4271 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:55:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 3811a64c55d0092c8c61100255cca70c matthew hahn asked: >My computer will not operate sound due to not being connected to DOS's >sound drivers, I do not have a DOS book and the Computer Diagnostics book >do not go into. Can anyone help me, before I call that thing called >Customer Support? DOS has no inherent drivers for sound cards. They were shipped with the cards themselves. Are you using a SoundBlaster? If so, then Creative Labs' site will have the current drivers (or the last versions), since people still run MS-DOS Windows and Sessions from Windows95/etc. In other words, the manufacturer of the sound card in question will have the drivers for DOS use on their web site/ftp site for free downloading. If you've already had the sound card installed, though, it's a possibility that the drivers were REMmed out of Config.SYS/Autoexec.BAT some time ago, and just aren't being addressed - and they might still be on your hard disk. Check, in the case of a SoundBlaster, in a directory called SB16 or SB32 for a start. Let me know what other variables exist, and I'll do my best to assist. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:34 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 11:59:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDx60-0002f7-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:59:52 -0800 X-Sender: kmistove@mail.eclipse.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:56:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Mistove Subject: Real facts about Real Audio Resent-Message-ID: <"YxdjpB.A.KGC.qDuC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4272 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:59:52 -0800 X-UIDL: bac341fea7acb07fb1c5fd586082d57a Hi all, Having seen one to many misunderstandings on Real Audio posted to the list, here are some important and CORRECT facts. I host a site that has over three hours of Real Audio. I also have almost 2 years of experience with Real's products. 1.) Real Audio content can be created using the free encoders available on the Real site: http://www.real.com/products/creation/index.html Content can also be created from many third party programs. These programs, both Mac and Windows, usually require some kind of a plug-in and extension either provided by the software manufacturer or Real. You may already own one of these and not know it. See http://www.real.com/devzone/software/audio.html The most common pre-encoded audio formats are (AIFF - Mac) and (.wav - Windows). 2.) Real Server IS NOT REQUIRED to stream Real Audio. Real Audio can do a psuedo-stream using HTTP protocols. Info is available in the Real site at: http://www.real.com/encoder/httpstream.html My advice to fellow loopers - DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME WITH REAL SERVER unless... If you are an ISP or someone with a SERVER connected to the WWW, then Real Server is a solution. It is costly and not for most, if any, on this list. A free version is available (obviously not as powerful as the full blown version). ************* The sites listed in my signature may be of interest to this list. My personal site features looping software which I am developing (using MAX, MSP and a Mac). There are some Real Audio clips (which demonstrate HTTP streaming - feel free to grab or look at the pages source). The King Crimson site I host (Elephant Tape) already contains some tracks from members of this list. Tracks by Stephen Goodman, Travis Hartnett, Reginald Hunt and Jeff Duke are available (forgive me if I left anyone out). Many other pieces on the site were created by loopers, especially tracks from studio seventeen artists. BTW, although the above may sound like a plug, I can assure you that I make absolutely NO money from these sites. Enjoy! Have fun! Ken Ken Mistove kmistove@eclipse.net My stuff: http://www.eclipse.net/~kmistove/ King Crimson (Elephant Tape) stuff: http://www.geocities.com/~kenzak/etape/ From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:34 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 12:21:12 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDxQb-0004Ti-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:21:09 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDxQa-00067w-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:21:08 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDxQX-0004T4-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:21:05 -0800 Message-ID: <102301bd4f86$8b898760$dcf0ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: B.L.U.E. availability Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:19:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"bR8sND.A.03D.AYuC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4273 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:21:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 221e6dcec30f2545b4671578e271bb0e So does anyone know when the B.L.U.E. CD is coming out??? I called my local Border's and they have no idea (suprise)..what is the release date? Tonight a trombonist is sitting in with me at my loopgig- just met him last night- should be interesting... Dave Eichenberger From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:35 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 12:26:38 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDxVt-000540-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:26:37 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDxVs-0006MH-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:26:36 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDxVp-00053e-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:26:33 -0800 Message-ID: <104801bd4f87$598660c0$dcf0ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: RealAudio How to Question Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:25:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"tyWTw.A.xfE.hduC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4274 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:26:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 9bb1de3ea5c1d76cbf9d4509bf5f2a29 It is very easy to encode standard .wac files to real audio- just download the Real Audio encoder from the Real Audio website, spend about 3 minutes looking over the program, and a few minutes later, you'll have your own Real Audio. Very easy, no server required. Dave Eichenberger From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:36 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 12:34:27 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDxdR-0005bh-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:34:25 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDxdR-0006b4-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:34:25 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDxdM-0005b0-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:34:20 -0800 From: TritoneDW Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:30:49 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: ears & more Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"M3vnJD.A.PBF.6kuC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4275 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:34:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 36f8368e360e847264aa9eb9cf606388 << do you hear a sound in your head? >> Yes, and I've been meaning to look up some stuff on tinnitis, but I haven't yet. I've got this VERY high pitched keening in my ears, which I think is tinnitis. Here's the thing--I've had it for as long as I can remember, way before I started to listen to loud music. I had a lot of ear infections as a kid, so I think that's got something to do with it. It's really loud, when I'm paying attention to it (it's always there). Now this is wierd: I can control the volume of my tinnitis. Whether I am actually making it get louder/softer is probably impossible to say, but it seems that I can actually control how loud the ringing is. Strange. Here's another thing: I think having tinnitis for my whole life has made my hearing much more acute. Obviously, my actual hearing is not as good as many people, but my ability to listen actively is much greater--I'm really good at musical dictation/transcription, etc. I've really had to learn to listen past the ringing in my ears, so I find it easier to listen past other extraneous noise. At least, that's how it seems. The flip side to this is that I find it nearly impossible to truly "tune out" background music (non-musical noises aren't such a problem). Elevators and grocery stores can be a living hell.... Ringingly, Drew Wheeler From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:49 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 17:53:15 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yE2by-00058w-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:53:14 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDy1K-0007CP-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:59:06 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDy1F-0007D0-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:59:01 -0800 Message-ID: <350AF000.6C16765A@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:00:48 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RealAudio How to Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5gdLqB.A.7dG.q7uC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4276 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:59:01 -0800 X-UIDL: dc1fe14bd15b464e9dce95d840b34fcd I was shown how by some very helpful kind souls. First record your wav at 32khz not 44.If you have Cool Edit or some other program normalize it,noise reduce it ,etc.I have provided some urls I hope. 1.) Create your Real Audio file - for this example it is called YOURSONG.ra The same file can be used for both streaming and downloading. 2.) Create a text file called YOURSONG.ram,first it's a .txt,then change the name to .ram,it will then get a ra icon. 3.) the text file should contain ONLY ONE LINE which points to the physical location of your Real Audio file. In your case it is probably: http://your location of the file/YOURSONG.ra,this is the line in you ram file called yoursong.ram 4.) Upload the files to your server. I know it obvious, but the first time you forget... 5.) In your HTML code: To stream: THIS IS THE TEXT THAT IS CLICKED FOR STREAMING To Download: THIS IS THE TEXT THAT IS CLICKED FOR DOWNLOADING All of this in more technical terms is located at: http://www.real.com/create/ccguide/config.html you can get the free Real Audio encoder at http://www.real.com/encoder/index.html mp3's sound a lot better but they are many times bigger than ra's,if you do the proper pre processing using somthing like cool edit ra's can sound passable.The main thing is record or convert you song to 32 khz,not 44 otherwise audio artifacts can occur.If you have any further questions,don't hesitate to ask. Jeff Duke sr.,TecBabLabs ;http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index.html ANET wrote: > If you know how to do real audio and would like to send me How to E-mail, I'll > include it on the 3rdcd page. > > Thanks; > John Peters > > > href="http://members.aol.com/anet/3rdcd.html">3rd CD project > From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:38 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 13:15:48 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDyHS-0000pD-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:15:46 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yDyHR-0007ed-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:15:45 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yDyHN-0000ok-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:15:41 -0800 Message-ID: <350AF3E7.E223DE82@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:17:27 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RealAudio How to Question References: <350AF000.6C16765A@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mkBnoD.A.Sg.iLvC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4277 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:15:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 252e55dede6ad916dae05b620779300d That link changed ,the quick way to the free stuff is ; http://www.real.com/products/creation/index.html Jeff Duke wrote: > I was shown how by some very helpful kind souls. > > Jeff Duke sr.,TecBabLabs ;http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index.html > ANET wrote: > > > If you know how to do real audio and would like to send me How to E-mail, I'll > > include it on the 3rdcd page. > > > > Thanks; > > John Peters > > > > > > href="http://members.aol.com/anet/3rdcd.html">3rd CD project > > From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:41 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 15:43:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yE0ak-0005TO-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:43:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199803142338.SAA32429@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: Subject: Re: Gear acquisition(dreams) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:40:41 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9B1X6B.A.N5E.hWxC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4279 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:43:50 -0800 X-UIDL: eab7a4b488e3a99e54ba4debcb9057d0 ---------- From: Woehni To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: SV: Gear acquisition(dreams) Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 1:13 PM, Woeni wrote: Great list , thanks a lot!!! BTW , a friend of mine actually owns a Korg ms-20 and he wants to sell it. Is there anything I should know before I try it out? Yes, it might take time to figure out all you can do with this great and underrated synth, but in the end, you'll be glad you took the time to learn the beast. So don't give up thinking it's a crap machine just because you're not getting great results at your first try. Another great thing about the MS-20 is that it can easily be repaired since most of its parts are commonly available. Be sure to check out MS-20 related stuff on the web. Music Machines has some good info. Enjoy! D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N --------------------------------------------- jndk@colba.net http://www.alien8recordings.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Re: vintage synths with inputs: > >Here is a short list of instruments I have had experience with which can serve >as processors. > >Instrument Availability Price range... Pros/Cons > >Roland SH-2 common $400 Great envelope filter. >Roland SH-1 kinda rare $400 Great env. filter. >Korg MS-10 common $400 Nice filter. No env. follower. >Kork MS-03 kinda rare $100 Pitch-toVoltage control module/works with ms synths. >Korg MS-20 common $700 Awesome instruments with built-in MS-03 and 2 filters. >Korg X-911 common $200 Guitar synth w/dist./filt (no resonance) and a weird wah effect. >EMS Hi-Fli rare $1500 Guitar synth w/ring mod/filter and distortion quite strange >EMS VCS-3 rare $4000 Semi-modular synthesizer, AKS is the briefcase portable > version. This can be used as a processor as well >as > stand-alone system. i.e: Fripp & Eno's No >Pussyfooting. >SCI Pro-One common $500 Nice monosynth with filter input. > > >This is by no means a comprehensive list. I just wanted to get something going. > >Later, > >D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N >--------------------------------------------- >jndk@colba.net >http://www.alien8recordings.com > > >Tom! You better not be playin with my fragile mind!?!?! Are you? >Can I play my guitar through an old synth??? Use its filter???? >Why isn`t this stuff beeing massproduced??? is it?? :-) You got ma mojo workin`!!! > >Thanks , Thomas W > >PS. If I look , will I ever find one in this millennium??? What shuld I look for? > >---------- > > ---------- From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:50 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 18:00:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yE2jK-0005dF-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:00:50 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: Getting LooPGigs Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:16:19 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4fa7$93ac0960$cc024382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"13lf4B.A.5EF.KXzC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4282 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:00:50 -0800 X-UIDL: b0db3d3bcef1048af831dfc7862204d8 Thanks for the advice , John. I hope I`ll make it someday , and if I do Im shure your advice was a part of it. Yours , Thomas >Good luck to you. > >Regards; >John Peters > From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:42 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 16:55:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yE1iP-0001hC-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:55:49 -0800 Message-ID: <350B2777.15B2@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:57:27 -0500 From: Jeff Schwartz X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RealAudio References: <350AF000.6C16765A@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FAZWW.A.6VB.9ZyC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4280 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:55:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 84bd4b031f35124cad3be43fca3df37d It appears to me that, with my 14.4 modem, I cannot use the current version of RealAudio. Therefore, I ask that files be made available in .wav or .aiff format as well as RealAudio. I'd rather put up with long downloads than not be able to hear y'all! Let me also express my appreciation for all the gear designers on this list. I tried out an inexpensive preamp/multi-effects unit yesterday and was shocked that its display was very difficult to read under normal lighting unless I looked at it close up and straight on and it changed presets using a knob with no detents or marks-a control which would be very frustrating to use under the pressure of live performance. Playing with this crappy interface (not to mention the bad tones) made me feel grateful to those of y'all who put thought into building real tools for music making! -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:48 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 17:12:06 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yE1y9-0002iy-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:12:05 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yE1y9-0004Mv-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:12:05 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yE1y2-0002iS-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:11:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199803150108.UAA14225@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: B.L.U.E. availability Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:07:23 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ev_G7D.A.4KC.ToyC1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4281 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:11:58 -0800 X-UIDL: cb3aba6b1c911dd38bc7e2fe93527557 > > So does anyone know when the B.L.U.E. CD is coming out??? I called my > local Border's and they have no idea (suprise)..what is the release date? > Tonight a trombonist is sitting in with me at my loopgig- just met him last > night- should be interesting... > > Dave Eichenberger > > check out Levin's site on that... http://www.papabear.com there, TonyL. sez: release date is something like - april 14, but he has instructed his office to do phone/credit card orders. i've ordered his other 2 discs and video like this and it took, like 2 days (!).... also - by accident, strolling thru a music store today - found in the NEW RELEASES area.... Liquid Tension Experiment Tony Levin-bass,stick Jordan Rudess -keys (Dregs) Mike Portnoy-drums, John Petrucci-gtr (Dream Theater) really cool, if ya like heavy stuff, with chops. - i can't really give a full review, but that's my gut reaction having heard 2 cuts so far - i'll tell you - it was superbly recorded - perhaps it was a minidisc....... this is the 2nd disc Levin is on, on prog label 'magna carta' - http:www.magnacarta.net sorry for the low loop content! andre' e From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:52 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 19:52:18 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yE4TA-0003ur-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:52:16 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yE4T9-0007B7-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:52:15 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yE4T3-0003u0-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:52:09 -0800 Message-ID: <19980315034125.16884.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:41:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: RE: electronica double standard? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"XrEv3.A.BcD.a_0C1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4283 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:52:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 14428782ff9838610e64314f085fb429 93 ---David Ferguson wrote: > > Brilliant point about how DJs are bound by different rules and formats > technique and style are very important > > There was a fellow, Crowley, who took all belief systems, sought the truth, > and from these belief systems he made a system that encompassed all these > religious and mystical techniques > > My Point as vague as it may seem it why not UNIFY the field of DJing > > Daniel I liken the DJ thing to the collage artist thing. It's not a matter of the materials, it's how you put them together in a new and unique way that counts. Simple regurgitation doesn't do it. 93 Rev. Doubt-GOat _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:53 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 19:58:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yE4ZL-0004Qk-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:58:39 -0800 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:56:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803150356.WAA28011@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: SV: Gear acquisition(dreams) Resent-Message-ID: <"SAXgl.A.-7D.jF1C1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4284 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:58:39 -0800 X-UIDL: f6d961e079be4d5337132c038ec2013d At 07:13 PM 3/14/98 +0100, you wrote: >Great list , thanks a lot!!! BTW , a friend of mine actually owns a Korg ms-20 and he wants >to sell it. Is there anything I should know before I try it out? Yes, the MS 20 is an extremely cumbersome way to process your guitar--your friend should sell it to me instead (grin) Seriously, it's a great piece, tho' because of it's modular nature it will take more time (and patch cords) initially to get the neat sounds, but that also makes it versatile for getting really twisted sounds --the Roalnd SH's (believe the 9 also has an external input) and the SCI Pro 1 are a little more straightforward if not as versatile--that;s the tradeoff between synths with internal patching and modulars . . . I would play with it first to see what it will do for you axe . . . and then if you don't like it, give your friend my e-mail address ;) drone on~~~Tom PS DAVID K.------great comparison list of synths! > > > >>Re: vintage synths with inputs: >> >>Here is a short list of instruments I have had experience with which can serve >>as processors. >> >>Instrument Availability Price range... Pros/Cons >> >>Roland SH-2 common $400 Great envelope filter. >>Roland SH-1 kinda rare $400 Great env. filter. >>Korg MS-10 common $400 Nice filter. No env. follower. >>Kork MS-03 kinda rare $100 Pitch-toVoltage control module/works with ms synths. >>Korg MS-20 common $700 Awesome instruments with built-in MS-03 and 2 filters. >>Korg X-911 common $200 Guitar synth w/dist./filt (no resonance) and a weird wah effect. >>EMS Hi-Fli rare $1500 Guitar synth w/ring mod/filter and distortion quite strange >>EMS VCS-3 rare $4000 Semi-modular synthesizer, AKS is the briefcase portable >> version. This can be used as a processor as well >>as >> stand-alone system. i.e: Fripp & Eno's No >>Pussyfooting. >>SCI Pro-One common $500 Nice monosynth with filter input. >> >> >>This is by no means a comprehensive list. I just wanted to get something going. >> >>Later, >> >>D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N >>--------------------------------------------- >>jndk@colba.net >>http://www.alien8recordings.com >> >> >>Tom! You better not be playin with my fragile mind!?!?! Are you? >>Can I play my guitar through an old synth??? Use its filter???? >>Why isn`t this stuff beeing massproduced??? is it?? :-) You got ma mojo workin`!!! >> >>Thanks , Thomas W >> >>PS. If I look , will I ever find one in this millennium??? What shuld I look for? >> >>---------- >> >> > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sat Mar 14 22:44:54 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 14 21:15:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yE5lz-0000hs-00; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:15:47 -0800 Message-ID: <19980315050447.23691.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:04:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Speakers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"knXdJB.A.TY.lN2C1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4285 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:15:47 -0800 X-UIDL: d1cf8586bb4aa2fdc412ededcc6b8260 93 ---Fmplautus wrote: > In short, a good pa is a great thing and they have definitly gotten better, > more affordable and lighter, but we crave a new guitar speaker design that > would have BOTH great tweeters (make that footswitchable on/off great > tweeters) and guitar like crunch and punch...and put those great speakers in a > LIGHT stereo cabinet please. What I use is the SansAmp PSA-1 and a pair of DOD grey box cabinet speaker simulators. Run that direct to your PA and when you want a DI sound, switch off the simulators and either use a flat setting on the preamp, or bypass it. When you want guitar crunch, switch 'em back in line. It won't *quite* replace the sound of properly miked guitar speaker cabs, but it gets damn close. 93 Rev. Doubt-GOat _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 03:20:53 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 01:48:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEA2H-0005F6-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:48:53 -0800 Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <350BA341.891C55F6@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 09:45:37 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: RealAudio samples from LD References: <199803131959.TAA08215@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> <3509990D.5883B61E@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rH_SAD.A.rvE.HO6C1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4286 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:48:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 5d8bc53562c7d26c3b0aa747232bc6fe Jeff Duke wrote: > > Hey Tim, > Yeah I'd Like to use mp3s myself but the space required on my website is > prohibitive. > Question;not everybody has streaming samples on they're sites and we have > aus,wavs and now mp3s on the site, can they be made to stream? > Real Audio for all its problems seems the only bandwith possible solution > for now at least.Comments anybody? Not true! You can stream mp3's, and comparing RA's and mp3's at the same bitrate will show a higher quality for the mp3. Check out my website: http://webworlds.net/os/collective/ for some streaming, low-bandwidth mp3's. cheers, -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 03:20:55 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 01:58:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEABw-0005gv-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:58:52 -0800 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 03:57:41 -0600 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: RealAudio To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <350BA5AE.44B3@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <350AF000.6C16765A@bellsouth.net> <350B2777.15B2@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"KFpqXD.A.cKF.gX6C1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4287 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:58:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 3536a4dd4a04633ee4aeba5d6513eeb0 Jeff Schwartz wrote: > > It appears to me that, with my 14.4 modem, I cannot use > the current version of RealAudio. Therefore, I ask that > files be made available in .wav or .aiff format as well as > RealAudio. I'd rather put up with long downloads than not > be able to hear y'all! Jeff, you might not be able to listen to _streaming_ RealAudio files, but you can download them just like .wav or .aiff files, and then use RealPlayer to play 'em back from your hard drive. In order to do this, though, you must link directly to the RealAudio file (with .ra or .rm extension), rather than the metafile (with .ram extension), which merely tells RealPlayer where to find the file it is supposed to stream. A proper Web site implementation of RealAudio (such as, ahem, my own, at http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/sounds.htm) will offer links to both the metafile, for streaming, and the RealAudio file, for downloading. Unfortunately, some sites only provide links to .ram files. :-( John Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/) From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 11:34:34 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 03:23:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEBVT-0002Rm-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 03:23:07 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <350A599A.5D18@delphi.com> References: <199803132259.AA09069@world.std.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 02:48:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers/tube amps, blah, blah, blah..... Resent-Message-ID: <"Ymom5C.A.sCC.Rm7C1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4288 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 03:23:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 761baadf65fb91a70a60f69e593b69d3 At 4:19 AM -0600 3/14/98, John Pollock wrote: >Sean T Barrett wrote the stuff with >, and Kim's quotes get > >: >> >> kim: >> >I guess you're not a guitar player, right? An electric guitar >> >by itself is only half the instrument. >> [snip] >> >That is also why a guitar through a flat PA system will sound >> >very bad, and to the player, it will feel lifeless. > >That _can_ be the case, but isn't necessarily always true. It depends >on the guitar's pickups, the impedance loading them, the strings, and >the musical context. > >Most electric guitars have passive magnetic pickups. If they're loaded >too heavily (i.e., the input impedance of the amplifier is too low), the >high frequencies will be rolled off severely. The hi-Z inputs of most >PA systems, typically 50K, will of course strangle the signal from most >passive magnetic pickups. (The typical guitar amp's 220K is actually a >bit low as well, but in this case it's a _feature_, slightly rolling off >the upper harmonics so they don't clash quite so badly with the >harmonics the amp has been carefully designed to generate.) probably the last I have to say about this, since it's getting off topic.... Another effect of the guitar/tube amp thing, and what I meant by the "amp is half the instrument" comment, is that the input impedance of a tube amplifier is not a constant thing. It changes as the current in the tube changes. This means that the impedance will change a bit depending on the signal. Guitar pickups are high output impedance devices, so the impedance of the input stage of an amplifier will have a strong affect on the pickup's frequency response. So this means, as you pick a note, the tube amp input will actually change the frequency response of your pickup over the course of the note. I think most of this effect will occur during the attack since you would have a large current change then, and that's where most people hear it. For any other amplifier application, this is a serious flaw. But for guitars it's a bit different. In that case, this strange affect becomes something you use as a means of controlling timbre in your sound, therefore making it part of the "instrument". I don't think most people are real conscious of what is going on, they just know that a big variation in sound happens depending on how they pick. It becomes an intuitive part of how you play. (Tube amp player's often refer to this as "bounce".) If you then play into a solid state input (by putting some pedals between guitar and amp, using active pickups, or using a solid state amp), you notice that the sound is less responsive. It seems lifeless. This is because the input impedance is very stable, and that frequency respnse jiggle in the pickups is gone. (similar things happen between the output of a tube amp and the speakers.) This doesn't have much to do with the character of the sound itself. It's really about how the guitar/amp combination feels to the player. And that of course, can inspire the player in creative ways. It also leads to people obsessing about amplifiers and they're signal chain. And as far as the response of "I've done it this way for years, and it sounds fine to me", well, I been there! I had pedals and solid state guitar amps for the first 18 years of playing I did. And then I took that tube amp drug, and before long I was totally hooked. Once that bounce has gotten worked into your playing, and you learn to control that aspect of the sound, you'll be heading down to the corner tube pusher on a regular basis, mainlining EL-84's, doing 12AX7/6L6 speedballs.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 11:34:39 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 06:52:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEEmI-0003CL-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 06:52:42 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: SV: Gear acquisition(dreams) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:48:17 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd5021$64078840$90004382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y8KGIB.A.XzC.1q-C1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4289 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 06:52:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 73e4d272e6e0310dc0701cec1b6363db >and then if you don't like it, give your friend my e-mail address ;) > > > >drone on~~~Tom hehe Tom , I don`t think he is on the net. And if he was........(evil grin)....... Btw , I have a rocktron patchmate that has 8 completely independent relay based loops (whatever that means). Since the MS 20 is modular and requires patch cables an idea struck me: Is it possible for me to patch the differente "modules" into the patchmate and get midi control over the synth. Like , Program 1 is module a and c , porgram 2 is a nd c with b inbetween... Have I completely missed the picture on how this works , or am I a genius on my way to something completely new? :-) yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 11:34:40 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 09:09:12 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEGuM-000332-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 09:09:10 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEGuM-0002dR-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 09:09:10 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEGuI-00032f-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 09:09:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199803151706.LAA27397@legend.sat.txdirect.net> X-Sender: zom@mail.txdirect.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Demo Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:08:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: zom Subject: Distro stuff... In-Reply-To: <350BA5AE.44B3@delphi.com> References: <350AF000.6C16765A@bellsouth.net> <350B2777.15B2@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"T6WjOB.A.ynC.hqAD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4290 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 09:09:06 -0800 X-UIDL: ee05cedc30715ada542b931e3c83ee3d I'm still compiling a list of record stores willing to distro independent, DIY type recordings...If you can send me the snail address& phone # of stores near you willing to do consignment or other arrangemetns, please email me them! I will soon compile what I've learned and share the wealth........ In case you are bored to tears, there's new loop based stuff at my site...no guitar loops though...electronic stuff all. DIY electronic music, Zineage, and more: http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/ From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 12:06:26 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 11:57:02 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEJWn-0006rc-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:57:01 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEHhK-0003l4-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 09:59:47 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEHhF-0006bm-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 09:59:41 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980315115842.0069ae4c@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:58:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: RE: electronica double standard? In-Reply-To: <19980315034125.16884.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pQdByB.A.C9F.4ZBD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4291 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 09:59:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 7857f445f682ea7f26f640f98ad6bfbb In deference to looping and the looping technical aspects which seem to be the main focus of the page, I suggest that those of us who would like to speak about DJing itself should email one another, or find another outlet. Today I'm not so sure I would bitch about Austin Texas, very suddenly and this is in two weeks time change we have arsenals of roadshows coming through at either Austin Music Hall or the Red Room. Joker U.S.A. tour from England is coming through as is DJ Chakra. This is perhaps the intensification of techno, jungle, trance, house, all those dance genres that don't get enough credit at most dives around here, e.g. Paradox a tuck in your shirt and dance to the top forties under 100,000 watts of sound. Yeah but the times they are a-changing. There see that's something a looper doesn't need to know! (-; Mjh From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 12:06:30 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 12:02:24 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEJbz-0007MT-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:02:23 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEIcS-0004vg-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:58:48 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEIcP-0002fy-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:58:45 -0800 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:55:02 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: MS-20 Synths Sender: R & T Cummings To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: <199803151355_MC2-36CC-114E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Y9QA7D.A.RSC.XRCD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4292 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:58:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 2c1a15b2ea2d578ed09e4a7c0262f952 Strange that this topic should come up right now because a friend of mine just lent me his MS-20 yesterday. This is the first time that I've actually meddled with an analog beast and the possibilities are overwhelming! I've tried using this on an aux-send from my mixer and am getting great results applying this to loops. The entire patch area of the MS-20 is really amazing - today's devices don't seem to give you as much control all at once. It can be a little confusing though ... 8-) Does anyone use one of these live? I can't imagine the panic that would set in trying to gt the "right sound" under live pressure. The whole "preset" concept came later, eh? Another question: does anyone have any neat ideas on attaching various loop/ drum machine signals to the various patch inputs? It seems to me that the possibilities are many... Thanks for the new thread, Rob From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 11:34:42 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 11:26:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEJ34-0004cU-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:26:18 -0800 Message-ID: <000601bd5047$9c38a520$dc22dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: electronica double standard? Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:21:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"HtSglD.A.NBE.qqCD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4293 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:26:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 3b072f4baccddf75ee41d87bed528b91 matthew hahn offered: >...most dives around here, e.g. >Paradox a tuck in your shirt and dance to the top forties under 100,000 >watts of sound. 'tuck in your shirt'? There are actually places with RULES about that? Or is that a societal reference? For instance, in New York - specifically Manhattan - the phrase "Bridge-And-Tunnel" is used to refer to non-Manhattanites (Brooklynites, it'd apply to, but I'm not sure they'd put up with such treatment). I'd heard the phrase a lot in my clubbing years back there ('79-84), and just kept my mouth shut. :) One other item about DJs that I'd found quite by mistake... There's a set of terminologies we loopers may also not be prepared for, if not also a hierarchy as well. For instance, a browse through newsgroups will yield alt.musicmakers.dj.bedroom and alt.music.bedroom.producers - and, before you all conjure up images of soft music done by folks like Tom Jones and Barry White (Ohhh, Baby...), here's the scoop! Apparently there is a sub-class of DJing that comprises individuals who don't get Paid for DJing, and mostly produce recordings out of their (did you get it yet?) bedrooms. And, yes, the implication is that they live at home with the parents. I can't seem to get a straight answer on whether that's a slight against non-established 'acts' (if that's what a DJ 'is'), and their own professional status, or just a joking reference to what's probably everyone's beginnings. Anyone here who can enlighten us on this? Do WE perform this kind of cordoning-off in our own way? Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 14:33:18 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 13:59:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yELQr-0006vB-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:59:01 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980315115842.0069ae4c@mail.utexas.edu> References: <19980315034125.16884.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:55:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: electronica double standard? Resent-Message-ID: <"qxewkC.A.oQG.P6ED1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4297 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:59:01 -0800 X-UIDL: c2152f1854169eb7a25b56754e18fd3e >In deference to looping and the looping technical aspects which seem to be >the main focus of the page, I suggest that those of us who would like to >speak about DJing itself should email one another, or find another outlet. I wouldn't suggest that. There are a lot of people using looping devices as a part of their dj approach, and that's certainly appropriate for this forum. A lot of dj techniques involve repetition of phrases and manipulation of those, which to me is just another form of this looping idea. A lot can be learned by sharing these different approaches and adapting them in different places. A key thing, too, is that dj'ing is a very live and real-time thing, which is most of what we talk about here. There's certainly a lot of common ground between that and what a lot of other people around here are doing. And a lot of dj's are also producers, where they also make heavy use of various looping approaches. while there are obviously a lot of guitar oriented people around interested in real time looping, that's definitely not everyone who is here, and definitely not all there is about looping. (even though some of them don't seem to be aware of it, which can be frustrating...) Some of us here are very interested in electronic dance music, and are heavily influenced by various dj's and producers we've listened to, and that's why we started exploring these ideas in our music. Personally, I would far rather be talking about dj related loop ideas than tube amps! This whole looping idea is really quite new, and people are experimenting with it in a huge array of contexts. Part of the point of Looper's Delight is to provide a forum for developing these new ideas and sharing info about loops and looping, where ever it may come from. That's why I created it. There is no intended preference or bias for guitar players over dj's, or anything else. Anybody interested in creating and manipulating loops in real-time is welcome to discuss their ideas here. All I ask is that respect be shown for the differences, and that we avoid any lame insults or exclusionary activities, and instead try to learn from each other. so anyway, feel free to speak up more about these subjects, there are plenty around who would be happy to join in. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 14:33:15 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 13:18:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEKnK-0004Gt-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:18:10 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:14:17 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 3rd CD Project still looking for submissions. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"uQG3xB.A.3tD.uTED1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4296 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:18:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 3f134ebb21c7d35b2c62fa0aaf4f86e9 Come one come all, we are still looking for addtional submissions to the 3rd CD project. Get those recorders out, hire those studio musicians and send in the tape. We are accepting CD, DAT and Cassette Tape entries. Details may be seen at the 3rd CD site. Regards; John Peters 3rd CD Project Page From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 14:33:20 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 14:19:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yELkW-0000R8-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:19:20 -0800 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:16:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: lowfrqcy@west.net (Ryan Blum) Subject: Re: Guitar Oblique: Torn/Reid/Sharp Resent-Message-ID: <"lZbDPC.A.vH._MFD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4298 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:19:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 06bf40b1b3115d5cb5df4a35fdcde790 >what a show! 3 of me very fave iconoclast string wranglers in a nice, >small room with impeccable sound... > >did anyone tape the audio off the net??? i'm supposed to hear from someone >who taped it live... If Anyone got a good-sounding copy of this (DAT???), I think the time has come for a Looper's Delight tape tree....I'll volunteer to run it, as I used to be crazy about the whole Phish tape-trading thing...Anyway, we probably should get permission from mr. torn as maybe, if an album is in the process, he won't want it spread around. Very Excited, Ryan -- "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -Albert Einstein From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 19:16:25 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 15:45:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEN5Z-0006jQ-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:45:09 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601bd5047$9c38a520$dc22dacf@earthlight> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:32:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: electronica double standard? Resent-Message-ID: <"nThvOD.A.kAG.UdGD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4302 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:45:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 966453b00284a2775d6cc0e5ffa5ffcb At 11:21 AM -0800 3/15/98, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >One other item about DJs that I'd found quite by mistake... There's a set of >terminologies we loopers may also not be prepared for, By "we" I guess you are not including those of us into electronic dance music? >if not also a >hierarchy as well. For instance, a browse through newsgroups will yield >alt.musicmakers.dj.bedroom and alt.music.bedroom.producers "bedroom" usually refers to people using home studios. I don't think anything derogatory is meant by it, and it certainly is not limited to people living with their parents. It's usually just a smaller scale of operation. (but not necessarily, some people have extremely sophisticated home studios....) I think most electronic dance music is actually produced this way. >Apparently there is a sub-class of >DJing that comprises individuals who don't get Paid for DJing, and mostly >produce recordings out of their (did you get it yet?) bedrooms. Quite a lot of "bedroom" producers get paid very well, I imagine. It just depends how successful their music is. Also, a DJ and a producer are not necessarily the same thing. DJs are the guys spinning live. Producers are the ones who create the tracks that the DJs use. However, it is very, very common for one person to do both. That's why you frequently see albums coming out from DJs, and producers making appearances in clubs to spin a set. Also, in producing tracks, many people use dj techniques in the studio for creative purposes. So it's all pretty well mixed together. >And, yes, >the implication is that they live at home with the parents. I can't seem to >get a straight answer on whether that's a slight against non-established >'acts' (if that's what a DJ 'is'), and their own professional status, or >just a joking reference to what's probably everyone's beginnings. I'm not really sure what what the relevance of this is. It seems to me you are misinterpreting some usenet posts. >Anyone here who can enlighten us on this? Do WE perform this kind of >cordoning-off in our own way? Sure. "We" repeatedly assume that certain types of musicians creating with loops are a "them" and not inclusive in "we". Some of us who repeatedly find ourselves in the "them" category think this is really annoying. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 19:16:21 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 15:06:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEMTs-0003M8-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:06:12 -0800 From: KRosser414 Message-ID: <8400935b.350c5dd0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:01:34 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Guitar amps Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"KYLfv.A.XyC.S4FD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4299 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:06:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 1eed2bbc8e2e915e6666baceda22d8b3 >>And forget about putting anything other than guitar sounds >>through it, the amp colors it too much. >Umm... so why do people put up with this for guitar? >I don't understand the amp obsession. Why not learn >to love the sound of something other than the strange >coloring traditional guitar amps provide? Is there >really something inherently "good" about them, some >deficiency in the tone of the guitar the amp makes >up for, or such? Or are guitarists just used to how >guitars sound on other people's records? I have a radical idea - maybe some people like that sound, the 'coloring' guitar amps give. Maybe there was actually meant to be a wide variety of sounds out there and you could pick & choose from them as you please. As far as I'm concerned, nothing objective has been decided about guitar amps only being good for 'nothing but simple loops', nothing objective has been decided about amps' coloring of a guitar sound being detrimental, and nothing objective has ever been decided about direct-to-PA or even stereo being better. This all totally subjective and varies not only from player to player, but listener to listener as well. >What is wrong with Stanley Jordan's tone (I've never >heard it)? Nothing "wrong" with it, I just don't like it. It doesn't appeal to my ears. It's not a matter of right or wrong. Stanley can continue using that sound with my blessings. For *my* taste, it's a thin, fragile sound that doesn't allow for the kind of range of expression in articulation or dynamics that more traditional guitar techniques do, especially since, at least on the recordings I've heard, it's all he used. Too intentionally gimmicky...if other folks dig it, more power to 'em. > Is it just not-what-you're-used-to? I don't think so. I usually like a sound I'm not used to, especially if it's done in the context of some playing that's saying something to me. >Would you complain if it was coming out of a DX-7? A DX-7 doesn't already have enough sounds of its own to complain about? Ken R From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 19:16:35 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 18:23:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEPYd-0002EA-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:23:19 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: 3rd CD Project still looking for submissions. Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:08:07 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd5067$379e0b80$1b024382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"vKRd9B.A.UvB.XxID1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4308 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:23:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 98fe7d7a5087c4c383420b89accd6245 > >We are accepting CD, DAT and Cassette Tape entries. Details may be seen at >the 3rd CD site. WUT??!!?!!?!?!! No MiniDisc accepted???? :-) but they sound so warm........ Honestly ,I have some "great" recordings of me and my improv trio. It was recorded at rehearsals , through one of them long , thin microphones that comes with new computers (or soundblastercards , im not shure). And into my minidisc walkman.......... I would love to get some of this on the loopers delight cd. On this matter I have a question; what is accepted as "loopbased music"?? We play Free jazz (I think.....it sounds jazzy and its free....??) and usually start off with me setting a simple loop through my jamman.......... as the music progresses(?) and the mood changes I add more to the loop. This way , the loop is part of the musical development , acting like a "mirror" of what is beeing played. Or it can be a foundation , tonally , to spring from. My setup is not exactly complicated , and I have no clue who Herbalizer is , but I hope the music I described here is acceptable for your CD. Yours truly (and not so sarcastic as this might seem) Thomas W "I can`t really see you........but I can hear you......feel you.................................Thank you." -Bill Frisell`s opening statement on his "LIVE" cd with Joey Baron and Kermit Driscol From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 19:16:22 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 15:33:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEMuP-0005Vn-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:33:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199803152328.PAA22117@onyx.sunset.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:30:36 -0800 Subject: CD project update From: "Finley Sound Design" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"BniZ1C.A.r5E.tSGD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4300 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:33:37 -0800 X-UIDL: f50183dbbb227077714b19a95c391d24 Greetings everyone! The project is moving forward slowy. I've only received money from 9 of you. Until I receive *all* of the money I can't do anything more on the project. BTW, whoever called and left their credit card number (4539-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx) on my machine....who are you??? Hop to it!!!! At the end of this message is the liner notes to the CD. PLEASE check over your listing (word limit is 20-25) and make sure all your information is included. Check the spelling! If you have any questions, please let me know. Matt _______________ Liner Notes and Track Listing: 1: Electric Bird Noise "Japanese Toy Song" Brian Mckenzie: guitar, effects, loop machine Rev.Doc.Scromps: guitar, effects Dr. Rhythm: drums Contact: 5708 Long Leaf Er. Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 2: Michael Peters "Java Lada Rama Kaba Nada" >From the forthcoming CD 'Escape Veloopity' Contact: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters.htm 3: Miguel Barella "V§rias Horas em Sil_ncio" Giuseppe Lenti: acoustic guitar, e-bow, GR-300 synth Miguel Barella: acoustic guitar, loops Geraldo D'Arbilly: percussion, whistles Contact: ?????? 4: Mike Barman "Exclusive Reality" Contact: 1211 Brosig #1 Green Bay, WI 54311 (920) 406-0526 eponine@netnet.net 5: Petri Kuljuntausta "Untitled" Contact: P.O. Box 353 FIN-001 31 Helsinki Finland 358-9-754507 petri.kuljuntausta@muu.autonon.net http://utopia.knoware.nl.users/jsmeets/k/kuljuntausta.htm 6: Stefano Voulaz "Dust & Ashes" A guitar-only song, as most of its author's works. Looping techniques allow this music to be recorded "live" in a single take. Contact: voulaz@korg.it 39-347-3703725 7: Dreamchild "Murias II" Frank Gerace: guitar and loops Cheryl Wanner: bass and vocals Contact: 955 Mass Ave #252 Cambridge, MA 02139 seahorse@us1.channel1.com http://www.channel1.com/users/seahorse 8: Keenan Lawler "Theta" Contact: ??????? 9: Mark Baechtle "??????????" Contact: ??????? 10: Sunao Inami "Life in Osaka" Sunao Inami: guitar, synthesizers, sampler Contact: 316 Ohshima Kuchiyokawa Miki City Hyogo Japan 6730755 +81 794 89 5025 http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/ cave@osk.3web.ne.jp 11: Bret Moreland "Look Mr. Be Part" Contact: ????????? 12: Siobhan Canty "????????" Contact: ???????? 13: Markus Reuter "The Midget Monsters Series Kit" Markus Reuter: 8-string Warr Guitar and loops Contact: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/markus.htm 14: Michael Preston "Onceler Hamfist" Contact: 3620 Yolando Rd. Baltimore, MD 21218 michpres@erols.com 15: Fingerpaint "????????" Steev Geest Patrick Smith Contact: ????????? 16: Ed Chang/Blindfold "Kolizions (Compos'T)" Contact: P.O. Box 317, New York, NY 10009 edward_chang@mail.amsinc.com 17: Mattias Grob "????????" Contact: ???????? 18: Reginald Hunt "Alien Swamp" Contact: 93-04 107 St. Queens, NY 11418 (718) 805-6511 rphunt@tiac.net 19: David Kirkdorffer/UNDO "Ataraxia II" Recorded live to cassette Boston, MA 1997 Contact: P.O. Box 990 Allston, MA 02134 SayAaahh@aol.com 20: Kuno Wagner "???????" Contact: ??????? 21: Kevin Miller "Botswana Knot" Loops within loops with a couple of lead lines added. Contact: 542 Slaterville Rd. Ithaca, NY 14850 km15@cornell.edu 22: The LoopDoctors with Johnny D. "Circus" Johnny D.: voice Kevin Cooney: guitar Dan "Rock Doc" Donahoe: "loop therapy" and guitar Wayne Lobb: engineer Ron Rosenthal: keyboard Contact: ??????? 23: Matt McCabe "End Loop" Matt McCabe: guitar and loops Contact: marathon@joshuanet.com http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon __________________________________ Matthew F. McCabe Finley Sound Design http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 19:16:24 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 15:37:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEMyJ-0005yd-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:37:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199803152332.PAA22235@onyx.sunset.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:34:36 -0800 Subject: Sorry! From: "Finley Sound Design" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tKm_OD.A.QUF.eWGD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4301 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:37:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 3ae389c832e22014005812873d4a15a7 Oops!! I didn't mean to send that to EVERYONE!!! Please disregard unless you are involved with the CD project....Volume 2. Matt __________________________________ Matthew F. McCabe Finley Sound Design http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 19:16:26 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 15:55:50 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yENFs-0007UE-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:55:48 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yENFr-0003xc-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:55:47 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yENFn-0007Ta-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:55:43 -0800 Message-ID: <19980315235047.26614.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:50:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: RE: electronica double standard? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Tw5ld.A.UzG.3nGD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4303 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:55:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 9f15bbc2bdcbe97a48f9312045d10f7d 93 ---Kim Flint wrote: Some of us here are > very interested in electronic dance music, and are heavily influenced by > various dj's and producers we've listened to, and that's why we started > exploring these ideas in our music. Personally, I would far rather be > talking about dj related loop ideas than tube amps! The implication I keep seeing here is that dj's only do dance music. This is like saying that guitar players only do heavy metal. The local dj's I've heard have NOT been doing dance music, but reggae, rock, jazz and experimental. Looping is trans-stylistic. 93 Rev. DOubt-Goat _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 19:16:27 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 16:37:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yENtp-0002bo-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:37:05 -0800 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:32:50 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CD project update Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"FOEu1D.A.nGC.0NHD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4304 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:37:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 89ecfd90625b6ab2c5987244e5714fa5 matt how do we get the first two L.D. cds? thanks michael From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 19:16:33 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 17:29:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEOiH-0005vn-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:29:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199803160126.UAA12575@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: DX Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:25:09 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LKLxxD.A.DSF.E_HD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4305 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:29:13 -0800 X-UIDL: af82235d04de56aa2901ac2c0080241f > > > Is it just not-what-you're-used-to? > > I don't think so. I usually like a sound I'm not used to, especially if it's > done in the context of some playing that's saying something to me. > > >Would you complain if it was coming out of a DX-7? > > A DX-7 doesn't already have enough sounds of its own to complain about? > > Ken R yep. it's the DX-7 itself, not the Lazy Non-Programmers who spoiled that fine instrument's image for us..... ac > From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 19:16:33 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 17:52:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEP4a-0007m4-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:52:16 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980315193651.0068f190@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:36:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: RE: electronica double standard? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980315115842.0069ae4c@mail.utexas.edu> <19980315034125.16884.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iiAwxB.A.x4G.0TID1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4306 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:52:16 -0800 X-UIDL: dd3f609f8263d1b5d802a3f6bdd985b2 To contextualize what I said, I'm not cannonizing exclusivity. And I hear you. Mjh From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 19:16:35 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 17:53:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEP5d-00007L-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:53:21 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980315195001.00686b8c@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:50:01 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: DJing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fPHb6D.A.w-G.jUID1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4307 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:53:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 85fafd27b4a28a094dd9d2b414b01cba To contextualize what I was saying, I'm not cannonizing exclusivity whatsoever, I'm one of the people focusing DJ talks, that I consider segregating some DJ discussions only relays in that some facets do not seem to deal with looping, or technique. I hear you the daily log - from Mjh From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 10:43:34 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 09:38:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEdpz-0003La-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:38:11 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bd5067$379e0b80$1b024382@pentium-200> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:39:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: SV: 3rd CD Project still looking for submissions. Resent-Message-ID: <"DmWdGC.A.QjB.mBWD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4334 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:38:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 4fcf0fd9c4123d92a5e79fbee0ad702b At 12:08 AM +0100 3/16/98, Woehni wrote: >I would love to get some of this on the loopers delight cd. > >On this matter I have a question; what is accepted as "loopbased music"?? >We play >Free jazz (I think.....it sounds jazzy and its free....??) and usually >start off with me setting a simple >loop through my jamman.......... as the music progresses(?) and the mood >changes I add more to the loop. >This way , the loop is part of the musical development , acting like a >"mirror" of what is beeing played. >Or it can be a foundation , tonally , to spring from. > >My setup is not exactly complicated , and I have no clue who Herbalizer is >, but I hope the music >I described here is acceptable for your CD. I would say, if looping is an aspect of your music, then it is appropriate for the cd. There aren't any stylistic boundaries being applied, it's just a representation of the people on Looper's Delight. Sounds like what you are doing is fine! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:24:51 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 21:48:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yESkk-0004S9-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:48:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1197E7A5EBB8D111AC96006097D5FDBDB989@topaz.auran.com> From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping new realities Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:41:06 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"G21EVD.A.tYD.LuLD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4317 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:48:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 15067b1e22e197847fe80d6d24fcaec2 Stew Benedict wrote: >I know this thread sort-of died already, but I just saw this and maybe >it might stir someone's imagination out there. (I know it did mine - if > only had $8K to drop and lots of free time). > Softimage (www.softimage.com) has a package for 3D computer animation >that has hooks to MIDI, so a creative looper, animator could design >his/her own creation and then animate by sound! >There's a whole write up in 3D Design mag. If anyone's interested I >>could scan the article and email it to you. I am pretty sure that this use of midi is primarily aimed at external control of animation parameters. So, if you have a creature modelled in 3D for example, and fully prepared for animation with expressions and Inverse kinematics, you can assign certain expressions to sliders on a midi device or a pitch wheel or whatever. You can then record you're animation and manipulate the midi devices in real time, assuming your system is powerful enough. ( The computer needed to do this would cost way more than $8k :) ) It would be preferable I suppose to "compose" the variation of midi values in accordance to the sounds you were animating to. Softimage is not the only package that does this. 3DStudio MAX 2 does this natively, and I am sure that Alias on SGI does it too. Another neat thing that you can do in 3DStudio MAX is use an audio waveform to control values for any animatable parameter. The basic limitation, however, to all of this is that for anything other than very simple 3D objects, it is strictly non-realtime. Sigh.... If you want to play real-time loops and have visual reflections of those loops, it is only possible, I think at the moment anyway, to do this very primitively. Colours, basic shapes, fractals, randomized images and short animations. In maybe five to ten years, we can expect to see real-time 3D environment manipulation through external control, such as live music. This won't stop me thinking about it though... Here is a little piece of my imagination along these lines. " I create a few interesting patches on my control instrument/s, sounds with a lot of expressive variation and character. I may have something real in mind when I design these sounds, or I may generate the reality for the sound when it is done. So for the farty, squealy bass patch, I decide to use a character I had modelled in 3D. A big shambling ogre of a creature, with a lively agile bounce to it's step. Every time I use some modulation on this patch, I cause the ogre to act in some sort of way, based on some interpretation of the sound. Every time I play a certain sequence of notes, the ogre walks, Play them faster and it runs, Play it backwards and it moves backwards, certain attacks make it jump etc.. . I also set an overall sonic environment for the group of patches, the theme or feel of my musical piece. This corresponds to a 3D or graphical environment that I have generated beforehand. (Hopefully not too long beforehand) I assign certain "feels" of the sound canvas to regions of the environment, and perhaps I have control of different characters in the different regions. Or perhaps they act independently, based on individual sound parameters in the loop. In the end, what we have here is a real-time movie, being made !!!!!! " So this is where I see things going for myself. JL From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:24:40 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 20:02:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yER6x-00031F-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:02:51 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:58:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: ears & more Resent-Message-ID: <"AF31g.A.0TC.VNKD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4312 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:02:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 3f655d4d48d3a9c9b5add0bcfaf436cd Thanks Drew--this is just the kind of curious response I mentioned getting to the question. What is most interesting is your mention of "paying attention"; this plays a big part in all the really interesting responses, I find. I agree, *some* sort of sound is always there, whether from tinnitus or something else. It is a constant (though not static), and what seems to actually change is my awareness of it; the degree of awareness appears to actually "control the volume" as it were. Bottom line: it is the quality of my listening which is in question, and it would seem to be a very interior thing. To once more raise the specter of Mr. Fripp on this list, he has alway been vocal about his admiration for J. G. Bennett, a person who has had much to say on the subject.... P.S. Your "high pitched keening" would describe a good deal of my experience as well; I'd estimate it as starting above 10 KHz, although there are more difficult to determine lower bands which require a lot more quiet (and effort) to perceive. There is at least one, for instance, which I've mistaken for refridgerator hum--maybe around 100 Hz. The former is more "electrical" somehow, the latter almost "muscular". ><< do you hear a sound in your head? >> > >Yes, and I've been meaning to look up some stuff on tinnitis, but I haven't >yet. I've got this VERY high pitched keening in my ears, which I think is >tinnitis. Here's the thing--I've had it for as long as I can remember, way >before I started to listen to loud music. I had a lot of ear infections as a >kid, so I think that's got something to do with it. It's really loud, when I'm >paying attention to it (it's always there). > >Now this is wierd: I can control the volume of my tinnitis. Whether I am >actually making it get louder/softer is probably impossible to say, but it >seems that I can actually control how loud the ringing is. Strange. > >Here's another thing: I think having tinnitis for my whole life has made my >hearing much more acute. Obviously, my actual hearing is not as good as many >people, but my ability to listen actively is much greater--I'm really good at >musical dictation/transcription, etc. I've really had to learn to listen past >the ringing in my ears, so I find it easier to listen past other extraneous >noise. At least, that's how it seems. The flip side to this is that I find it >nearly impossible to truly "tune out" background music (non-musical noises >aren't such a problem). Elevators and grocery stores can be a living hell.... > >Ringingly, > >Drew Wheeler From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:24:41 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 20:03:33 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yER7W-00035H-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:03:27 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yER7Q-0002r7-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:03:20 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yER7H-00033T-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:03:11 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980307005510.25047.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:59:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: OT re:CDR870/audio CDR discs Resent-Message-ID: <"9do-2B.A.kVC.gNKD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4313 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:03:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 93eac392ce706ef57986df1cf06e3e12 Thanks to Bret for these tips from some 10 days back--finally got some time free & picked up a couple "normal" CDRs for testing. I'll be durned--works like a charm. Of course you must record the entire disc & finalize it before the machine is shut down, but still, at a price as low as 99 cents for 74 minutes of digital recording, can this be beat? Anyone out there shopping for a DAT machine, think this over. How much do you pay for a 74 min. DAT tape? And can you jump to tracks instantaneously? Suffered from tape dropout? The CDR870 is cheaper than pretty much *any* DAT machine I know of, and--for me--being able to play the disc on any CD player is a BIG plus. Only problem: SCMS! Of course want to put my freshly-recorded CDR into my CD deck and make copies. Does anyone know of a good source for a SCMS stripper? In NYC, Manny's didn't know what I was talking about and Sam Ash Pro Audio just put me on hold for about an hour. I know there are kits around for under $100, but my soldering hand is exhausted & I've heard a ready-to-go stripper might be $200.... I told my girlfriend I was looking for a scum stripper and she thought it had something to do with my bathroom. More like she was *hoping* it had something to do with it.... >Loopsters, >David Myers asked where to find a good price on Audio CDr blanks for >use with the Phillips 870 CD recorder. > >I can't help you with the Audio CDr blanks, but you may not have heard >that there is a trick you can use in order to record with the Phillips >870 using data CDr blanks (the cheap ones). > >I learned about this via the Roland VS-880 mailing list. Some of the >folks there have the Phillips 870 and have successfully used this trick. > >The difference in the Audio CDr blank and the data CDr blanks is that >the Audio discs have information written to them that tells the 870 >(or similar Pioneer consumer CD recorders PD04, PD05) that the disc is >a Consumer disc (and tariffs were paid). Without that data, it will >not allow you to enter record mode. > >I don't have a CD recorder, so what I tell you now is based on my >reading others accounts, and leveraged from a similar trick my kids >use to play Japanese Playstation CD roms in an American Playstation. > >You will need an Audio CD blank of the same capacity (time) as the >Data CD blank you want to record to. > >1. Put the Consumer blank into the recorder. >2. It will read the identification information, and will indicate you >can record. >3. Reach under the CD tray door and slide the tray open (manually, do >not use the tray open button). >4. Remove the Consumer CD blank >5. Place the Data CD blank on the tray >6. Manually close the tray completely >7. Record >8. Do not remove the CD until you finalize it, or it will not play. >You cannot remove it, and reinsert it later to record. > >Again, this is from others accounts, I cannot tell you the nuances of >this trick. Others say it is easy, works, and has not harmed their >recorders. Proceed at your own risk. > >The only caveat I have heard regarding this procedure has to do with >calibration. When a blank disk is inserted into a stand alone CD >recorder, the recorder performs a calibration on the blank. This >calibration consists of writing and reading a reserved area of the >blank in order to determine the optimal laser intensity for that exact >disc. This is done because there is unit to unit and manufacturer to >manufacturer variations in the CD blanks' dye layer. The cal insure >the holes burned in the dye layer will be of the correct size (depth?) >in order to be read later without error. Since this trick requires >you swap discs AFTER the calibration, there is some risk the burn will >not be optimized to the proper level for the second (actual record) >disc. So far, anecdotal information says this has not been a problem. > >Again, proceed at your own risk. >See >http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?83 >for stereophiles article on 'CD Recorder's Dirty Little Secret'. > >bret > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:24:48 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 20:37:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEReE-0005qM-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:37:14 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5051.4D284620.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: hearing, gender, new info... Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:27:55 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Musc5B.A.m_E.stKD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4314 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:37:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 500054e7e79a9b6411c9317f2ab6d6a1 Corynne wrote: > > This might be of more concern to Laurie, (as she was asking about more >info about hearing and gender) Sarahjane and Kim but I remebered some other >information I learned about possible differences in hearing between the >genders. There was a special edition of 20/20 a few months back which was >strictly devoted to the discussion of cerebral differences between genders. [snip...] Thanks Corynne! Very interesting, and kind of funny too - not having seen the program, I was reminded of the classic sitcom scene of a hapless husband oblivious to his frustrated wife, with countless satirical variations that are flattering to neither ;-). The question of which perceptual behaviors are culturally/environmentally learned as opposed to being physiological in origin is extremely complex. (The old conundrum "which comes first, the chicken or the egg" comes to mind, not to mention the tangled circular web of physiological changes *triggered* by certain behaviors.) Anyway, I emailed ABC to see if the transcript and references could be gotten. >to one story and not the other one. The conclusions of the researchers >were that women's attentions will be drawn back and forth between the two >stories and get bits and pieces of each and have an almost impossible time >staying on one story while the other one is also going which is exactly >what happened to me. I've had this before also and it's really annoying >sometimes but it's good if your trying to listen to more than one person at >a time. Supposedly, men can tune out one story much more easily and listen >to it only, they seem to have trouble listening to more than one thing at a >time. I wonder if this occurs primarily with speech, or if any of these supposed differences are also evident in how males and females perceive music -- multiple layers, counterpoint, melody, etc.? More sophisticated, aware listening, as musicians generally experience it, is a skill that can be developed with training and practice. It seems that such people would not necessarily populate the statistical norm that is being discussed here. My sweetie, who was a fighter pilot, just told me an interesting and vaguely related story about airline pilot training. (This was a while back, when there were extremely few, if any, women in either the cockpit or control tower.) The problem was alerting the pilot, whose attention was already considerably divided due to a flight emergency, to extremely important warnings. During landing, one of the most critical signals is to lower the @#$%^&* landing wheels! They found out the hard way that big blinking red warning lights were often ineffective. They added a unique, loud, and persistent beep. Some pilots *still* didn't notice, and would land gear up. A blaring horn blast was tried, but occasionally missed, the consequences of which tended to make passengers rather unhappy. Then somebody had an inspiration... get this: the most effective warning device, amidst the general cockpit hubbub, was a woman's voice calmly telling the guy to get his gear down! (No comments from the peanut gallery.) I wonder if it is still as effective nowadays, since women's voices are much more common in that environment? Also, what works best with women pilots? ...Hey, I bet they don't even *need* to be warned, they're already on top of it! ~#:-)))) Anyway, I can hear it now. Music For Landing Very Large Aircraft... Gee, the "my girlfriend's taste in music" thread has gone through a few permutations! (BTW, what does this list usually talk about? Something about loops? Trying to remember...) and smiles to you, too, Corynne -- laurie >From lists@slip.net Sun Mar 15 21:21:26 1998 From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 12:06:16 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 11:35:10 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEJBc-0005SR-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:35:08 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEJBb-0005qh-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:35:07 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEJBY-0005Rr-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:35:04 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980315211414.1f4f713c@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:14:14 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers In-Reply-To: <199803132259.AA09069@world.std.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pvsSpB.A.myE.1yCD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4294 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:35:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 34732d828b7e050a3451ec4009d1d31b At 05:59 PM 3/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >kim: >>I guess you're not a guitar player, right? An electric guitar >>by itself is only half the instrument. >Still, I don't consider the guitar direct >"half the instrument". Is an acoustic guitar >only 1/3 of an instrument because it lacks a pickup >and an amp? Well, not quite. An acoustic guitar has an amplifier, it's called the back and sides. Without them, the guitar is merely a frame which holds the strings at the right tension and allows the strings to vibrate at the correct frequencies - just like an electric guitar. As for the pickup, all that does is translate the vibration into something the amplifier understads - but in an acoustic, hell, they're speakin' the same language! >I realize you didn't intend this as a combative >statement, rather an explanation to a non-guitarist >outsider about why amplifiers are important, so now >perhaps my puzzlement is clearer. I don't _feel_ like >I'm missing anything. I find it outrageous to imagine >that getting an expensive amphead, a Marshall brake, >2 4x12 (or whatever) cabinets, and a pair of really >good microphones is going to make my music sound >"better". Different, sure. But "better"? You're probably not missing anything; it's horses for courses. The player who needs that rig is chasing different tonal demons to you and hey, that's OK. Somedays I want to sound like Mike Oldfield, somedays like Dave Gilmour. Maybe someday I'll want to sound like me. I'm not sure whether that day will be a good one or a bad one. >Much as I really can't imagine what magic I could hear >if I touched my fingers to a Klein. Nor can any of us - and therein lies the root of Guitar Aquisition Syndrome - "God, but I'd sound INCREDIBLE if only I could get ....." >I could believe this, but then why do we need >"speaker simulators"? Why not just a simple >low-pass filter on the output of your (possibly >tube-based) distortion pedal? Can I ask a philosophical question? Can you record the sound of Link Wray direct to tape by sticking pencils in your speaker simulator? Michael From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:24:50 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 21:22:30 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yESLy-0001uy-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:22:26 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yESLv-0005FD-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:22:23 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yESLr-0001u1-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:22:19 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <153962af.350cb592@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:16:01 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SV: 3rd CD Project still looking for submissions. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"IU2k3B.A.1NB.hXLD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4316 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:22:19 -0800 X-UIDL: e38ecd106026f8716f423f24f760dddb Mini disks accepted as well Regards; John Peters 3rd CD Project Page has been Updated From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:24:50 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 21:21:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yESKv-0001mv-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:21:21 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:16:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803160516.AAA26107@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: DX Resent-Message-ID: <"Y38WpD.A.NJB.BXLD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4315 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:21:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 81cef9ef53d3e4f3800438c71b6dc19c At 08:25 PM 3/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >> > Is it just not-what-you're-used-to? >> >> I don't think so. I usually like a sound I'm not used to, especially if >it's >> done in the context of some playing that's saying something to me. >> >> >Would you complain if it was coming out of a DX-7? >> >> A DX-7 doesn't already have enough sounds of its own to complain about? >> >> Ken R > >yep. it's the DX-7 itself, not the Lazy Non-Programmers who spoiled that >fine instrument's image for us..... > >ac >> > > > Well, . . . DX-7 not GOOD enough for you. EH? (guess I'll save the Dom Perignon for myself) I like mine just peachy (and am unforunately one of those algorithim/operator "enabled" individuals who depends on RAM banks of other people's sounds) . . . and Eno seemed to like his just fine as well ;" drone on~~~~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Mar 15 12:06:29 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 12:00:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEJa2-0007BL-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:00:22 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980315213954.0f8f7ad6@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:39:54 To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: electronica double standard? In-Reply-To: <000601bd5047$9c38a520$dc22dacf@earthlight> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Q_hGwD.A.8eG.-KDD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4295 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:00:22 -0800 X-UIDL: b34733ac57697a7f0d0f85eb297d1635 >For instance, a browse through newsgroups will yield >alt.musicmakers.dj.bedroom and alt.music.bedroom.producers - and, before you >all conjure up images of soft music done by folks like Tom Jones and Barry >White (Ohhh, Baby...), here's the scoop! Apparently there is a sub-class of >DJing that comprises individuals who don't get Paid for DJing, and mostly >produce recordings out of their (did you get it yet?) bedrooms. And, yes, >the implication is that they live at home with the parents. I can't seem to >get a straight answer on whether that's a slight against non-established >'acts' (if that's what a DJ 'is'), and their own professional status, or >just a joking reference to what's probably everyone's beginnings. Over here in the UK, the "bedroom musician" tag usually applies to a non-gigging amateur musician. I am a "bedroom guitarist". I do not play my guitar in the bedroom, I play it in the lounge. So I could be called a "lounge guitarist" - no, hold on, that means something else. OK, I could play in my garage (if I were lucky enough to own one). Then I'd be a garage gui - no, wait. Can't use that either. The implication may be over there that this means you're living with your parents, but not over here. If truth were told, "toilet guitarist" would be most appropriate in my case... :( Besides which, as every guitarist knows, the bedroom's where you find full length mirrors for posing - I mean, for studying your technique. ;) Michael From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:24:52 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 21:58:27 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yESuh-0005nh-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:58:19 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yESue-0006WM-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:58:16 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yESuZ-0005ml-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:58:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:54:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803160554.AAA01404@newman.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: hearing, gender, old info... Resent-Message-ID: <"VdQTz.A.KBF.N6LD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4318 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:58:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 95943bf520bf1c1c34cc423a0dd375d3 A must read concerning hearing, environmental sounds and a whole lot more is R. Murray Schaefer's "The Tuning of the World"--actually don't recall anything on gender differences but a fascinating book on our sonic landscape drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~Tom great thread . . . Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:24:53 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 22:15:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yETBJ-0007ed-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:15:29 -0800 Message-ID: <19980316061141.10143.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:11:41 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: scums stripper To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"7W1HWB.A.ysG.9JMD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4319 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:15:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 2c3ff7337f59897c06377fbb3f4be7c1 David wrote: Only problem: SCMS! Of course want to put my freshly-recorded CDR into my CD deck and make copies. Does anyone know of a good source for a SCMS stripper? ---------- David, Search the dat heads archive. Often, used scum strippers are available there: http://www.eklektix.com/dat-heads/digests/dindex.html Glad the CDr trick worked for you. SCMS sucks. bret _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:24:54 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 22:59:06 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yETrV-0003S5-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:59:05 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yETrV-0000dH-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:59:05 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yETrS-0003Ri-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:59:02 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:56:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803160656.BAA15229@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: fave David Sylvian disc Resent-Message-ID: <"kRtfdD.A.U_C.d0MD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4320 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:59:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 831188492e76034c06201a09fe70e1ee Just stumbled across a rather large selection of the above artist at a Borders . . . advice please . . .which disc do I (would you) get? why? thansk Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:25:06 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 02:56:45 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEXZU-0001k3-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 02:56:44 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEUhO-0001nf-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:52:42 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEUhK-0006oX-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:52:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: zoo.e-z.net: Host van-125.e-z.net [206.129.248.87] claimed to be DOUGPIER Message-ID: <350CD9C9.2678@e-z.net> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:50:33 -0800 From: doug pieren Reply-To: quail@e-z.net Organization: quail teeth productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fave David Sylvian disc References: <199803160656.BAA15229@cliff.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TyDvYC.A.bIG.lmND1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4321 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:52:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 3da9022db57e3069ae20675989323841 Tom Lambrecht wrote: > > Just stumbled across a rather large selection of the above artist at a > Borders . . . > > advice please . . .which disc do I (would you) get? why? > > thansk Tom > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net Tom - I'm a big fan and have all of Sylvian's stuff. I love it all, but would recomend starting with "Gone to Earth" or "Secrets of the Beehive". He also did a couple of things w/ Fripp which are both great. His work with Japan (which included Steve Jansen and Richard Barbieri) is also wonderful - Check out "Tin Drum". Buy 'em all! From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:24:56 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 15 23:59:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEUnb-0007K8-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:59:07 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 02:56:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803160756.CAA09183@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Rocktron/MS 20 unholy alliance Resent-Message-ID: <"JUN3WD.A.dqG.DtND1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4322 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:59:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 7e3d338973480b79a87b44482ad4f6d6 At 03:48 PM 3/15/98 +0100, you wrote: SNIP > >Btw , I have a rocktron patchmate that has 8 completely independent relay based >loops (whatever that means). Since the MS 20 is modular and requires patch cables an >idea struck me: Is it possible for me to patch the differente "modules" into the patchmate and >get midi control over the synth. Like , Program 1 is module a and c , porgram 2 is a nd c with b inbetween... > >Have I completely missed the picture on how this works , or am I a genius on my way to something completely new? >:-) > >yours , Thomas W > Only the passage of time will decide your genius . . . BUT I don't think what you are proposing will work--I am a total newcomer to MIDI, but the MS 20 is more IDI than MIDI, time-period wise. I believe the modules will respond to CV and external inputs, but all those 1's and 0's will probably mess it's head . . . HMMMMM . . . maybe you ought to try it (but don't blame me if you cook your buddy's MS 20) any comments David K. or Steve B. (or is this too sophomoric to even be dignified by a response ;) drone on~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:25:12 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 06:40:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEb3i-0007MW-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:40:10 -0800 Message-ID: <350CEFE0.514@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:24:48 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Phantom ringing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YCrGAC.A.9jG.TkTD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4324 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:40:10 -0800 X-UIDL: e4d1dba923016ee7290e73a2780ba620 TritoneDW wrote: > > Here's the thing--I've had it for as long as I can remember, way > before I started to listen to loud music. I had a lot of ear infections as a > kid, so I think that's got something to do with it. I have always had a phantom ringing in my ears as well, long before I started playing guitar. I have some pretty intense allergies, which lead to a alot of sinusitus and bronchitus (once I lived with a cat and got pneumonia), and seeing as how those two systems are fairly interconnected I have always assumed that they were related. I have also heard that some small amount of ringing is fairly natural, and nothing much to worry about in most cases. Could be wrong though- does anybody know for sure? Trevor From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:25:16 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 08:13:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEcWD-0000R7-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:13:41 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980316042314.2fefa134@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 04:23:14 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: OT re:CDR870/audio CDR discs In-Reply-To: References: <19980307005510.25047.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qSERn.A.H.l7UD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4327 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:13:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 40acf1757a853d924097a036438dfa8f i was offered one for $200.00 US but it would be coming from the netherlands,,,(fully assembled and functional..give me a day to check old E-mail,,,and i'll post the source later james At 10:59 PM 3/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks to Bret for these tips from some 10 days back--finally got some time >free & picked up a couple "normal" CDRs for testing. I'll be durned--works >like a charm. Of course you must record the entire disc & finalize it >before the machine is shut down, but still, at a price as low as 99 cents >for 74 minutes of digital recording, can this be beat? Anyone out there >shopping for a DAT machine, think this over. How much do you pay for a 74 >min. DAT tape? And can you jump to tracks instantaneously? Suffered from >tape dropout? The CDR870 is cheaper than pretty much *any* DAT machine I >know of, and--for me--being able to play the disc on any CD player is a BIG >plus. > >Only problem: SCMS! Of course want to put my freshly-recorded CDR into my >CD deck and make copies. Does anyone know of a good source for a SCMS >stripper? In NYC, Manny's didn't know what I was talking about and Sam Ash >Pro Audio just put me on hold for about an hour. I know there are kits >around for under $100, but my soldering hand is exhausted & I've heard a >ready-to-go stripper might be $200.... > >I told my girlfriend I was looking for a scum stripper and she thought it >had something to do with my bathroom. More like she was *hoping* it had >something to do with it.... > >>Loopsters, >>David Myers asked where to find a good price on Audio CDr blanks for >>use with the Phillips 870 CD recorder. >> >>I can't help you with the Audio CDr blanks, but you may not have heard >>that there is a trick you can use in order to record with the Phillips >>870 using data CDr blanks (the cheap ones). >> >>I learned about this via the Roland VS-880 mailing list. Some of the >>folks there have the Phillips 870 and have successfully used this trick. >> >>The difference in the Audio CDr blank and the data CDr blanks is that >>the Audio discs have information written to them that tells the 870 >>(or similar Pioneer consumer CD recorders PD04, PD05) that the disc is >>a Consumer disc (and tariffs were paid). Without that data, it will >>not allow you to enter record mode. >> >>I don't have a CD recorder, so what I tell you now is based on my >>reading others accounts, and leveraged from a similar trick my kids >>use to play Japanese Playstation CD roms in an American Playstation. >> >>You will need an Audio CD blank of the same capacity (time) as the >>Data CD blank you want to record to. >> >>1. Put the Consumer blank into the recorder. >>2. It will read the identification information, and will indicate you >>can record. >>3. Reach under the CD tray door and slide the tray open (manually, do >>not use the tray open button). >>4. Remove the Consumer CD blank >>5. Place the Data CD blank on the tray >>6. Manually close the tray completely >>7. Record >>8. Do not remove the CD until you finalize it, or it will not play. >>You cannot remove it, and reinsert it later to record. >> >>Again, this is from others accounts, I cannot tell you the nuances of >>this trick. Others say it is easy, works, and has not harmed their >>recorders. Proceed at your own risk. >> >>The only caveat I have heard regarding this procedure has to do with >>calibration. When a blank disk is inserted into a stand alone CD >>recorder, the recorder performs a calibration on the blank. This >>calibration consists of writing and reading a reserved area of the >>blank in order to determine the optimal laser intensity for that exact >>disc. This is done because there is unit to unit and manufacturer to >>manufacturer variations in the CD blanks' dye layer. The cal insure >>the holes burned in the dye layer will be of the correct size (depth?) >>in order to be read later without error. Since this trick requires >>you swap discs AFTER the calibration, there is some risk the burn will >>not be optimized to the proper level for the second (actual record) >>disc. So far, anecdotal information says this has not been a problem. >> >>Again, proceed at your own risk. >>See >>http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?83 >>for stereophiles article on 'CD Recorder's Dirty Little Secret'. >> >>bret >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________ >>DO YOU YAHOO!? >>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:13 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 16:20:41 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEgQg-0001le-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:24:14 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEgQa-00003B-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:24:08 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEgQF-0001hn-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:23:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199803162001.MAA20440@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Phantom ringing Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 14:02:46 +0100 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"QYe9vB.A.oPH.BcYD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4347 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:23:47 -0800 X-UIDL: ca247884c9910574cd040f196fe11efd >Yes! Absolutely! I get the very same thing. EXACTLY the same. Dunno why >this is. Have had it as long as I can remember. Me too. I always figured it had something to do with my sinuses. That or a brain tumor. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:43 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 12:24:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEgQM-0001is-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:23:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199803162004.MAA115278@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Wavestation looping greatness? Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 14:05:43 +0100 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"10yMW.A.3OH.8bYD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4346 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:23:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 4a889c9149a58f3dc560901b0a7dfe3c >a Korg Wavestation A/D, (loopers alert: This is a >serious synth for anyone who is interested in rhythmic looping) What makes it so groovy? GAS victims want to know. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:11 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 15:59:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEjmz-0006HK-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:59:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199803162008.MAA18236@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Phantom ringing Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 14:09:34 +0100 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"sCjfJD.A.AbE.fobD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4367 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:59:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 342be0623d5b9548cd5fac7e70c34407 >Then again, I've read that even exposure >to low level sounds (like road noise) over long periods of time can cause >hearing loss...so maybe it's all this BLASTED typing noise at work that's >doing it! There are even cases where professional drivers picked up tinnitus in their left ear only, from years of driving with the the window down at highway speeds. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:25:15 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 07:47:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEc7D-0005jX-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:47:51 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:06:12 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: CD-R Blanks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"vE2zyB.A.N9E.MjUD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4326 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:47:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 9673c8571224ee12616682ac8ee75620 I don't understand what all the fuss is regarding CD blanks used for data versus used for audio. At the CompUSA I go to I buy a pack of 5 Verbatim, TDK or Maxell for around $21 or so and they work fine. No special procedures are needed to make the CD recorder understand that I'm recording audio or data to them - either works fine. The discs play in any CD player I care to try them in and it's a nice way to create a limited run of discs for a given project (the most current would be the Crash - Gods of Outstate Radio project - I'll probably do 20 or so before I'm done with that run). CD-R discs make a great way of backing up a hard disc, as well. -Todd. From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:56 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 13:46:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEhiF-0004bf-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:46:27 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980316063522.3757eade@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:35:22 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: scums stripper In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"E8iORD.A.r8C.8rZD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4357 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:46:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 690b46ab631cad89f25fc4b4290b25ef are these copies being made to "normal" CDRs or the CDR audios ie philips disc etc.. the SCMS code is only on the CDR audio discs,,,is the copy bit continuously off (low)? source for copy bit killers: SFB Electronics http://www.sfb.net/ e-mail, Rene At 12:40 PM 3/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >This is very curious. It seems that I've made some assumptions about SCMS >which are incorrect. As a test, I just did as you said, and put a disc I >recorded on the CDR870 (my own material, analog input) into my CD deck, >linked up the digital out and the CDR digital in. Copied fine, as you say. >Then I did the same with a disc I had made from a commercial music CD (on >the 870, digital in)--and it STILL copied OK! So I made a copy from a copy >of a commercial disc, all digitally. When the heck does SCMS kick in, >anyway? > >>>David wrote: >>>Only problem: SCMS! Of course want to put my >>>freshly-recorded CDR into my >>>CD deck and make copies. Does anyone know of a good >>>source for a SCMS >>>stripper? >>>---------- >> >>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I wasn't aware that recordings YOU made >>YOURSELF (not copies of commercial releases) with the CDR870 would have >>SCMS present. This was intended to be a commercial thing to prevent people >>from making endless branching trees of digital copies: eg, you make a copy >>for a friend who makes a copy for a friend who. . . (you get the picture) >>basically, at this point you and all your buddies and all their budies have >>the new Madona disk, and between all 1200 of you you only have one legal >>copy. >> >>If I read you correctly, this is not what you intend to do. >> >>Again, the disks you record yourself should not be encoded with SCMS, and >>even if they were, I assume (rightly or wrongly) that you only have only >>one CDR870, so any digital copy you made of your recording would be first >>generation (put your freshly recorded disk in your CD player, hook it up to >>your digital recorder and burn another disk) This is first generation, so >>SCMS is not even an issue. Now if you want to copy the copy you just made >>AND if it is indeed a commercial SCMS encoded disk, you will not be able to >>make this recording without a trip through the D/A converters in your >>player and the A/D converters in your recorder (VERY, VERY marginal quality >>loss, not at all akin to what one would have encountered a few years ago >>with the old converters) >> >>So, even if your recordings of your loop band end up being SCMS (note the >>if) encoded, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to make copies for >>your girlfriend, her mom, everyone in the band and maybe even a few copies >>to sell, as long as you make them from the original disk that you mastered >>to. >> >>If your point is to archive old analog recordings this isn't even an issue. >> >>If you are archiving DATs of your band (as you pointed out, DATs do wear >>out) you should be able to do this too, even if you source is SCMS encoded >>as these DATs ought to be first generation. >> >>If you want to make copies of CDs of commercial CDs, you will be able to do >>this too, but you can't make copies of the copy (without first going >>through the converters. >> >>Am I missing something? If I am, please let me know. >> >>-Doug Tapia > > > > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:32 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 11:41:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEflP-0004Hv-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:41:35 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:20:26 -0600 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers/tube amps, blah, blah, blah..... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <350D433A.35F9@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199803132259.AA09069@world.std.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"Nmh6OB.A.IxC.S4XD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4343 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:41:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 065076e9b57bd084c9ec21fee8c959a3 Kim Flint wrote: > probably the last I have to say about this, since it's getting off topic.... Y'mean you're gonna let _me_ have the last word? ;-) OK: Hi, my name is John, and I'm a recovering tube amp addict... I agree that the minutiae of how a tube amp does its magic belongs in alt.guitar.amps... but we're all here, and I do think that the problem of getting a good guitar sound _and_ getting a good loop sound without lugging refrigerator-sized and expensive gear to gigs is pretty much on topic. Paolo, with his perpetual twin gifts for relevance and succintness, should have had the last word: Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > I've always liked the idea of getting a little tube amp for the overdriven > sounds (e.g. the Mesa Boogie Subway Blues or the Ampeg ???Rocket or ??) > and using that in conjunction with the full range amplification setup. > Just mic the little tube amp and use your mixer to do whatever you want > to it (add effects, split it, just leave it dry, etc.). Sadly, I lack those gifts... ;-/ I also share your enthusiasm for tube amplifiers, to a point; while I've divested myself of most of mine, I still have a blackface Showman and a silverface Champ (still loaded with carefully-nurtured original Fender-branded tubes). And back when I was your age, and for quite a few years after that, I hauled my '72 Quad Reverb (which I hotrodded by rewiring the tremolo circuit into two extra signal-path gain stages) up and down many flights of stairs. But I must disagree with you about where the "bounce" comes from. If it were only input impedance, we'd all be happy with a simple, single 12AX7 preamp (and Stevie Ray Vaughan wouldn't have kept a Tube Screamer between his guitar and his Fender, Vox and Dumble amps). I contend that the tube magic comes from (a) the soft, curvaceous clipping which occurs in the grid/cathode diodes as the signal increases; much more musical than the harsh, square-kneed clipping in early solid state amplifiers, though current designs are mighty close; (b) the decrease in plate voltage (power supply sag) which takes place as the signal increases; much more noticeable with tube rectifiers, causing gentle compression, but having its greatest effect on the unregulated screen voltage of the output tubes, which in turn affects (c) the highly interactive output transformer/voice coil/cone/cabinet reactances, which vary wildly with signal strenth, frequency, and waveform; attempting to mimic this ain't easy, which is why good cabinet emulators are so expensive. But I contend that the input impedance of a 12AX7 is so nearly constant that the effect of variations on the pickup's frequency response are inaudible and un-feelable. First, I doubt that _any_ passive guitar pickup can drive the first stage hard enough to produce grid current flow. If it did, the resulting resistance (equal to the signal voltage squared divided by the grid dissipation) would be _tiny_, only slightly reducing the effective resistance of the typical one-megohm grid leak resistor. I further contend that active pickups actually _increase_ the dynamic effects available from a tube amp. I can plug my active pickup guitars into the aforementioned Showman and crank both guitar and amp wide open, with no risk of the horrid EMI (powerline noise, fluorescent buzz, etc.) which is all too likely with passive pickups. Also, the higher output might actually be enough to cause a little clipping in the input stage. But I cheerfully relinquish the virtues of the Showman and its attendant JBL-loaded 115 cabinet, in favor of a single rack space preamp with only two 12AX7s. I know what I'm missing; I just don't miss it very much-- certainly not enough to justify maintaining and transporting the Showman rig in addition to the PA. (At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if fred marshall popped in, gently tapped his water glass twice, and murmered, "Class... mmmmmmmmmm") John Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/) Kim also wrote: > Another effect of the guitar/tube amp thing, and what I meant by the "amp > is half the instrument" comment, is that the input impedance of a tube > amplifier is not a constant thing. It changes as the current in the tube > changes. This means that the impedance will change a bit depending on the > signal. Guitar pickups are high output impedance devices, so the impedance > of the input stage of an amplifier will have a strong affect on the > pickup's frequency response. So this means, as you pick a note, the tube > amp input will actually change the frequency response of your pickup over > the course of the note. I think most of this effect will occur during the > attack since you would have a large current change then, and that's where > most people hear it. > > For any other amplifier application, this is a serious flaw. But for > guitars it's a bit different. In that case, this strange affect becomes > something you use as a means of controlling timbre in your sound, therefore > making it part of the "instrument". I don't think most people are real > conscious of what is going on, they just know that a big variation in sound > happens depending on how they pick. It becomes an intuitive part of how you > play. (Tube amp player's often refer to this as "bounce".) If you then play > into a solid state input (by putting some pedals between guitar and amp, > using active pickups, or using a solid state amp), you notice that the > sound is less responsive. It seems lifeless. This is because the input > impedance is very stable, and that frequency respnse jiggle in the pickups > is gone. (similar things happen between the output of a tube amp and the > speakers.) > > This doesn't have much to do with the character of the sound itself. It's > really about how the guitar/amp combination feels to the player. And that > of course, can inspire the player in creative ways. It also leads to people > obsessing about amplifiers and they're signal chain. > > And as far as the response of "I've done it this way for years, and it > sounds fine to me", well, I been there! I had pedals and solid state guitar > amps for the first 18 years of playing I did. And then I took that tube amp > drug, and before long I was totally hooked. Once that bounce has gotten > worked into your playing, and you learn to control that aspect of the > sound, you'll be heading down to the corner tube pusher on a regular basis, > mainlining EL-84's, doing 12AX7/6L6 speedballs.... From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:44 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 12:25:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEgRT-0001sc-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:25:03 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980316072847.213fee5a@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:28:47 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: scum strippers/coby bit killers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bd9AtB.A.8K.EeYD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4348 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:25:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 3301f2771a6ae60999321332024ea0be are these copies being made to "normal" CDRs or the CDR audios ie philips disc etc..? the SCMS code is only on the CDR audio discs,,,is the copy bit continuously off (low)? source for copy bit killers: SFB Electronics http://www.sfb.net/ e-mail, Rene At 12:40 PM 3/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >This is very curious. It seems that I've made some assumptions about SCMS >which are incorrect. As a test, I just did as you said, and put a disc I >recorded on the CDR870 (my own material, analog input) into my CD deck, >linked up the digital out and the CDR digital in. Copied fine, as you say. >Then I did the same with a disc I had made from a commercial music CD (on >the 870, digital in)--and it STILL copied OK! So I made a copy from a copy >of a commercial disc, all digitally. When the heck does SCMS kick in, >anyway? > >>>David wrote: >>>Only problem: SCMS! Of course want to put my >>>freshly-recorded CDR into my >>>CD deck and make copies. Does anyone know of a good >>>source for a SCMS >>>stripper? >>>---------- >> >>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I wasn't aware that recordings YOU made >>YOURSELF (not copies of commercial releases) with the CDR870 would have >>SCMS present. This was intended to be a commercial thing to prevent people >>from making endless branching trees of digital copies: eg, you make a copy >>for a friend who makes a copy for a friend who. . . (you get the picture) >>basically, at this point you and all your buddies and all their budies have >>the new Madona disk, and between all 1200 of you you only have one legal >>copy. >> >>If I read you correctly, this is not what you intend to do. >> >>Again, the disks you record yourself should not be encoded with SCMS, and >>even if they were, I assume (rightly or wrongly) that you only have only >>one CDR870, so any digital copy you made of your recording would be first >>generation (put your freshly recorded disk in your CD player, hook it up to >>your digital recorder and burn another disk) This is first generation, so >>SCMS is not even an issue. Now if you want to copy the copy you just made >>AND if it is indeed a commercial SCMS encoded disk, you will not be able to >>make this recording without a trip through the D/A converters in your >>player and the A/D converters in your recorder (VERY, VERY marginal quality >>loss, not at all akin to what one would have encountered a few years ago >>with the old converters) >> >>So, even if your recordings of your loop band end up being SCMS (note the >>if) encoded, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to make copies for >>your girlfriend, her mom, everyone in the band and maybe even a few copies >>to sell, as long as you make them from the original disk that you mastered >>to. >> >>If your point is to archive old analog recordings this isn't even an issue. >> >>If you are archiving DATs of your band (as you pointed out, DATs do wear >>out) you should be able to do this too, even if you source is SCMS encoded >>as these DATs ought to be first generation. >> >>If you want to make copies of CDs of commercial CDs, you will be able to do >>this too, but you can't make copies of the copy (without first going >>through the converters. >> >>Am I missing something? If I am, please let me know. >> >>-Doug Tapia > > > > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:45 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 12:36:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEgca-0003NW-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:36:32 -0800 Message-ID: <350D4551.36DD@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:29:21 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Smaller Speakers/tube amps, blah, blah, blah..... References: <199803132259.AA09069@world.std.com> <350D433A.35F9@delphi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pFh4X.A.LiB.xoYD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4349 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:36:32 -0800 X-UIDL: e4cdd3d05a7557fa7eb3fad1e1830ca3 John Pollock wrote: > > I agree that the minutiae of how a tube amp does its magic belongs in > alt.guitar.amps... Are you sure? I thought that was where one discussed the relative merits of Yngway Malmsteen's guitar technique v. Kurt Cobain's..... :) Trevor From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:25:14 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 07:37:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEbxc-0004bG-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:37:56 -0800 Message-ID: <350D4627.14C3@netvigator.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:32:55 +0800 From: Alan Reply-To: alanip@netvigator.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fave David Sylvian disc References: <199803160656.BAA15229@cliff.concentric.net> <350CD9C9.2678@e-z.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dbDh8.A.n8D.HaUD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4325 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:37:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 45aa26366c652e61ca7b5302e3ccb521 doug pieren wrote: > > Tom Lambrecht wrote: > > > > advice please . . .which disc do I (would you) get? why? > "Gone to Earth" or "Secrets of the > Beehive"... w/ Fripp which are both great ...Japan .. Buy 'em all! Right, "buy them all" is the simplest solution. However, my recommendations to start with are: 1. Gone to Earth - "Frippertonic" with Sylvian's good melody line and mood. Besides, Robert Fripp, there are many great musicians involved. You may find that although David Sylvian is not a very technical musician, he did blended all these musicians togehter and created something unique. It's an all time favourite for me. 2. Secret of Beehive - some people think it's a very personal album. Most of the songs are quiet and moody. It takes some more time to get in love with. But you'll be amazed by what David Torn has done in this album. I think this is one of the most important album DT has ever made. Sylvian again has selected the right musician to present his musical ideas. Too bad that it may be the only collaboration they have done since they do not get along very well now. 3. Damage - A live version of "The First Day". This is how Sylvian and Fripp interpert "Groove" and "Rock". Quite different styles from the above, but it leads me to start enjoying much more 70's music. (I was too small at that time) 4. Tin Drum - This is how Japan interperts the Asian (Japanese and Chinese) ideas. To me, this is the greatest Japan's album. Every member has contributed equally with their own unique telant. (Steve's drum + Mick's bass + Richard's keyboard (programming) + David's voice (and ideas)) Alan From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:25:10 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 05:27:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEZux-00028J-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:27:03 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980316081208.33872c4a@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: km15@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (16) -- [Cornell Modified] Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:12:08 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kevin Miller Subject: Re: CD project update In-Reply-To: <199803152328.PAA22117@onyx.sunset.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vvaY3D.A.puB.KgSD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4323 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:27:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 728e25a9a3aaacfd1576bfe4f2fdc353 > >21: Kevin Miller "Botswana Knot" > >Loops within loops with a couple of lead lines added. > >Contact: 542 Slaterville Rd. >Ithaca, NY 14850 >km15@cornell.edu Matt, I think I'd like to revise this- lets leave out the "loops within loops" bit, and the address is slightly wrong (1542 instead of 542). Can we have it read like this: 21: Kevin Miller Guitars, vocals, keys, loops Contact: 1542 Slaterville Rd. Ithaca, N.Y. 14850 km15@cornell.edu Thanks much! Kevin From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:25:17 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 08:32:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEco5-0002co-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:32:09 -0800 From: bryan.helm@dinosaur.com Message-ID: <9803160920.0D4FH00@dinosaur.com> Organization: The Dinosaur Board X-Mailer: TBBS/TIGER v1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 09:20:29 -0700 Subject: future/history To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"7aKga.A.y7B.FMVD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4328 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:32:09 -0800 X-UIDL: c884b553436cb0aab37ba1ea4686d085 A hearty second to Tom Lambrecht's "must read" recommendation of "The Tuning of the World" by R. Murray Schafer. I've mentioned it before to the list, and as I'm re-reading it now it's all too obvious that almost anyone interested in the nature of sound/music (DJ,looper, bedroom,dinette set,...), would find this book a delight. The discussion of any "future" of these arts,crafts,and related devices is best begun by addressing the history of sound and technology, and this is an excellant book to augment your information flow on the subject. Bryan Helm P.S. Mr. Schafer coined the term "Soundscape" in 1968. From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:25:17 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 08:53:10 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEd8J-0005Bf-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:53:03 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEd8H-00057b-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:53:01 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEd85-00059V-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:52:49 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980316104720.00692a70@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:47:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: hearing, gender, new info... In-Reply-To: <01BD5051.4D284620.lahatch@dnai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"CkUAo.A.AFE.1dVD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4329 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:52:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 2387b61166107ba5d8ad20ba66f2c0f0 Laurie, I think you could make an extension from speech into more difficult listening styles. But there are stereotypes and the "non-statistical" norm which most of us seem to be, though myself I often wonder, especially when in U.T.'s Chorus, and ensemble. I often find myself sliding up to notes, because I'm not sure of pitches, usually I can get lost by what other music lines people are singing. I've been singing for several years so the justification of not hitting do is not going to cut it, I just seem to be elsewhere... I'm a bass, been known to hit a Db below solid (my one redemption from weak highs)... This might actually be against my sex in that if I can't focus on my own line, and only want to listen to the whole thing, I'm not focusing on one thing... Choirs themselves are very loop oriented. It's very interesting, especially in more modern works, travelling in a sound wall of a dissonant chord. A Seattle composer, conductor named Karen P. Thomas wrote a piece called Gloves, which is sung demandingly in the above. (BTW, what does this list usually talk about? Something about >loops? Trying to remember...) > >and smiles to you from Mjh > > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:25:18 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 09:03:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEdIm-0006eQ-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:03:52 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980316105803.0068a2dc@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:58:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: Looping new realities In-Reply-To: <1197E7A5EBB8D111AC96006097D5FDBDB989@topaz.auran.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zjBrwB.A.cVF.InVD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4330 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:03:52 -0800 X-UIDL: a83f098172536a36e7e2d4c30d3054c9 Stew, what you're talking about is very interesting. I have seen some mindblowing work out of Europe that some friends of mine siphoned. The problem I thought is how can you get it to move to what you want. I mean here you've got all this stuff that's just a wonderful tunnel to travel through and wow look at that spotlight on the wall go and you got great music already with it, but it doesn't change, it's static. Rollercoasters and all. I'm not knocking these people who win real prizes on how to solve such problematic endeavors, but for something to succeed it usually needs application, feedback. And looping might in fact, be a good start, because it enables some repetition, perhaps an easier beginning? If you don't mind talking about it, are you into anything right now? & do you write any of this 3-imaging for your own music? intrigued, Mjh From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 09:25:19 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 09:14:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEdSX-0000Bq-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:13:57 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:07:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia) Subject: Re: scums stripper Resent-Message-ID: <"kZOR6C.A.HwG.rxVD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4331 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:13:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 2b9219e2137b16b0d6a7a6ecc01f3153 >David wrote: >Only problem: SCMS! Of course want to put my >freshly-recorded CDR into my >CD deck and make copies. Does anyone know of a good >source for a SCMS >stripper? >---------- Correct me if I'm wrong, but I wasn't aware that recordings YOU made YOURSELF (not copies of commercial releases) with the CDR870 would have SCMS present. This was intended to be a commercial thing to prevent people from making endless branching trees of digital copies: eg, you make a copy for a friend who makes a copy for a friend who. . . (you get the picture) basically, at this point you and all your buddies and all their budies have the new Madona disk, and between all 1200 of you you only have one legal copy. If I read you correctly, this is not what you intend to do. Again, the disks you record yourself should not be encoded with SCMS, and even if they were, I assume (rightly or wrongly) that you only have only one CDR870, so any digital copy you made of your recording would be first generation (put your freshly recorded disk in your CD player, hook it up to your digital recorder and burn another disk) This is first generation, so SCMS is not even an issue. Now if you want to copy the copy you just made AND if it is indeed a commercial SCMS encoded disk, you will not be able to make this recording without a trip through the D/A converters in your player and the A/D converters in your recorder (VERY, VERY marginal quality loss, not at all akin to what one would have encountered a few years ago with the old converters) So, even if your recordings of your loop band end up being SCMS (note the if) encoded, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to make copies for your girlfriend, her mom, everyone in the band and maybe even a few copies to sell, as long as you make them from the original disk that you mastered to. If your point is to archive old analog recordings this isn't even an issue. If you are archiving DATs of your band (as you pointed out, DATs do wear out) you should be able to do this too, even if you source is SCMS encoded as these DATs ought to be first generation. If you want to make copies of CDs of commercial CDs, you will be able to do this too, but you can't make copies of the copy (without first going through the converters. Am I missing something? If I am, please let me know. -Doug Tapia From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:30 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 11:29:11 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEfZM-0002d4-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:29:08 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEfZJ-00059W-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:29:05 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEfZB-0002bb-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:28:57 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:19:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: CD-R Blanks Resent-Message-ID: <"D19tCD.A.GNB.qsXD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4342 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:28:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 8bb4481bc28687239b94d7f805b211bc Todd: The Philips CDR870, for example, is for audio recording only; you can't backup computer data with it. But you can record analog or digital sound without ever turning on a computer, as easily as recording a cassette. The catch is that, as a protection device, you are not allowed to use the cheaper CDRs sold for data--the machine will reject them. It seems the "audio" or "consumer" CDR discs sold are identical to the cheap kind, but have a code which the machine recognizes. For this, the industry charges (typically) an extra FIVE DOLLARS on top of the usual two bucks (what I paid for a single disc at J & R) for a damned disc, supposedly to pay people like Janet Jackson and Yanni because it's assumed we're copying their stuff. Who ever heard of a 250% tax, for god's sake?? >I don't understand what all the fuss is regarding CD blanks used for >data versus used for audio. At the CompUSA I go to I buy a pack of >5 Verbatim, TDK or Maxell for around $21 or so and they work fine. > >No special procedures are needed to make the CD recorder understand >that I'm recording audio or data to them - either works fine. > >The discs play in any CD player I care to try them in and it's a nice >way to create a limited run of discs for a given project (the most >current would be the Crash - Gods of Outstate Radio project - I'll >probably do 20 or so before I'm done with that run). > >CD-R discs make a great way of backing up a hard disc, as well. > >-Todd. From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 10:43:34 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 09:38:34 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEdqH-0003O7-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:38:29 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEdqF-0007Pa-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:38:27 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEdq2-0003M9-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:38:14 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980315235047.26614.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:24:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: electronica double standard? Resent-Message-ID: <"IrPBv.A.thB.bBWD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4333 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:38:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 5213e85af0bdf1ddb6effe4cb29eb225 At 3:50 PM -0800 3/15/98, Rev. Doubt-Goat wrote: >93 > >---Kim Flint wrote: >Some of us here are >> very interested in electronic dance music, and >are heavily influenced by >> various dj's and producers we've listened to, >and that's why we started >> exploring these ideas in our music. >Personally, I would far rather be >> talking about dj related loop ideas than tube >amps! > >The implication I keep seeing here is that dj's >only do dance music. This is like saying that >guitar players only do heavy metal. The local >dj's I've heard have NOT been doing dance music, >but reggae, rock, jazz and experimental. oh, sorry. I certainly know that and had no intention of implying that dj's only do dance music. Just looking for ways to avoid using "electronica". Your guitar analogy is dead on, and applies well to people using loopers too. >Looping is trans-stylistic. Exactly. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:27 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 10:59:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEf6b-0006Pw-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:59:25 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:24:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia) Subject: Re: DX Resent-Message-ID: <"JBjNp.A.MgE.oOXD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4339 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:59:26 -0800 X-UIDL: ec30f66fd8b724a93ce39eacd66f7edb >Well, . . . DX-7 not GOOD enough for you. EH? (guess I'll save the Dom >Perignon for myself) > >I like mine just peachy (and am unforunately one of those >algorithim/operator "enabled" individuals who depends on RAM banks of other >people's sounds) > > . . . and Eno seemed to like his just fine as well ;" > I agree, Tom. Love the DX, though I don't own one, I still use 'em in the studio _A LOT_. I've had 2 TX81Zs on the road with me for a few years now, and I'm always amazed by the gear heads who come up to me after almost every show asking about the FAT (or is that PHAT, I just don't know anymore) sounds I'm getting. I'll nail them down to a sound or two that they really like and more often than not it will be comming from the TX81Zs! (usually processed through an LXP-1 and LXP-5 combination.) I just think that this is funny, because my rack also contains a Korg Wavestation A/D, (loopers alert: This is a serious synth for anyone who is interested in rhythmic looping) an Akai S1100, a Kurzweil 2500RS, and a Techniques WSA-1 physical modeling synth, among other things. Point is, the TX81Zs usually get the sneers from these guys when they first check out the rig, and a few people have even commented on how "out of place" these boxes are among all the "high end" stuff. It's even funnier, since the guy at the shop that I bought one of the TX81Zs from didn't know what it was and sold it to me for $79.95, and the other was given to me by a drummer who had "upgraded" to a GM with "more realistic sounds." I guess I'm just the Mac Daddy of retro (or is that the Daddy Mac?!?) -Doug Tapia From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 10:43:35 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 09:53:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEe4p-0005Ty-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:53:31 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:40:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: scums stripper Resent-Message-ID: <"gOrCVD.A.UhD.vQWD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4335 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:53:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 0b7dfeef3aadb36f291492ce1b99bd29 This is very curious. It seems that I've made some assumptions about SCMS which are incorrect. As a test, I just did as you said, and put a disc I recorded on the CDR870 (my own material, analog input) into my CD deck, linked up the digital out and the CDR digital in. Copied fine, as you say. Then I did the same with a disc I had made from a commercial music CD (on the 870, digital in)--and it STILL copied OK! So I made a copy from a copy of a commercial disc, all digitally. When the heck does SCMS kick in, anyway? >>David wrote: >>Only problem: SCMS! Of course want to put my >>freshly-recorded CDR into my >>CD deck and make copies. Does anyone know of a good >>source for a SCMS >>stripper? >>---------- > >Correct me if I'm wrong, but I wasn't aware that recordings YOU made >YOURSELF (not copies of commercial releases) with the CDR870 would have >SCMS present. This was intended to be a commercial thing to prevent people >from making endless branching trees of digital copies: eg, you make a copy >for a friend who makes a copy for a friend who. . . (you get the picture) >basically, at this point you and all your buddies and all their budies have >the new Madona disk, and between all 1200 of you you only have one legal >copy. > >If I read you correctly, this is not what you intend to do. > >Again, the disks you record yourself should not be encoded with SCMS, and >even if they were, I assume (rightly or wrongly) that you only have only >one CDR870, so any digital copy you made of your recording would be first >generation (put your freshly recorded disk in your CD player, hook it up to >your digital recorder and burn another disk) This is first generation, so >SCMS is not even an issue. Now if you want to copy the copy you just made >AND if it is indeed a commercial SCMS encoded disk, you will not be able to >make this recording without a trip through the D/A converters in your >player and the A/D converters in your recorder (VERY, VERY marginal quality >loss, not at all akin to what one would have encountered a few years ago >with the old converters) > >So, even if your recordings of your loop band end up being SCMS (note the >if) encoded, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to make copies for >your girlfriend, her mom, everyone in the band and maybe even a few copies >to sell, as long as you make them from the original disk that you mastered >to. > >If your point is to archive old analog recordings this isn't even an issue. > >If you are archiving DATs of your band (as you pointed out, DATs do wear >out) you should be able to do this too, even if you source is SCMS encoded >as these DATs ought to be first generation. > >If you want to make copies of CDs of commercial CDs, you will be able to do >this too, but you can't make copies of the copy (without first going >through the converters. > >Am I missing something? If I am, please let me know. > >-Doug Tapia From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:05 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 14:53:40 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEil8-0005aY-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:53:30 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEil2-0007ko-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:53:24 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEikm-0005XK-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:53:08 -0800 Message-ID: <350D6692.65CB@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:51:14 +0000 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Phantom ringing References: <350CEFE0.514@nyfac.com> <3.0.2.16.19980316141612.36c75422@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7mvHIB.A.DNE.wtaD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4362 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:53:08 -0800 X-UIDL: f98fd7d28516a69d2382b4ba3e2424fb > >Does this happen to anyone else, > > or am I a freak? > > > >kim Kim- I'm afraid to say, you ARE a freak. ;) Trevor From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:49 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 12:56:21 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEgvd-0005vi-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:56:13 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEf3l-0003NK-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:56:29 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEf3I-0005y1-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:56:00 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <350CEFE0.514@nyfac.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:56:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Phantom ringing Resent-Message-ID: <"YY7oCD.A.9GE.wLXD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4338 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:56:00 -0800 X-UIDL: b9dacb901c895e529d51c54a01580d68 Throughout my life I've had a very odd thing happen with my hearing. It happens rarely, once every other month or so. The hearing in one ear or the other will do a complete fade out and be replaced by a high pitched tone. I won't be able to hear anything else in that ear. This will last about a minute, and the tone will slowly fade away while real sounds slowly fade back in. Very rarely, it will be a low pitch instead. I've never been able to relate it's occurance to anything, always completely unexpected. It would be quite frightening if I hadn't been experiencing it my whole life. Does this happen to anyone else, or am I a freak? kim At 9:24 AM +0000 3/16/98, tbajus wrote: >TritoneDW wrote: >> >> Here's the thing--I've had it for as long as I can remember, way >> before I started to listen to loud music. I had a lot of ear infections as a >> kid, so I think that's got something to do with it. > >I have always had a phantom ringing in my ears as well, long before I >started playing guitar. I have some pretty intense allergies, which >lead to a alot of sinusitus and bronchitus (once I lived with a cat and >got pneumonia), and seeing as how those two systems are fairly >interconnected I have always assumed that they were related. I have >also heard that some small amount of ringing is fairly natural, and >nothing much to worry about in most cases. Could be wrong though- does >anybody know for sure? > > >Trevor ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 10:43:33 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 09:29:40 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEdhW-0002E4-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:29:26 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEdhQ-0006x3-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:29:20 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEdh6-0002Am-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:29:00 -0800 Message-ID: <350D6B40.55CA9EBC@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:11:18 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: process your stuff References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HWzIk.A.7t.Q7VD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4332 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:29:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 22ecd2e5c47dfac0ae37ec5186957bca You can drive also a Micromoog filter with your guitar or whatver you whish. I think the MiniMoog does that too but I'm not too sure. Then you have a Peavey filter that exists, a waldorf filter (the filter section of the wave, plus LFOs). We are not that lost in this dark universe.... (private: Yo Boris!) Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 10:43:39 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 10:34:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEeia-00036D-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:34:36 -0800 Message-ID: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F5EC@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'ANET' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Getting LooPGigs Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:23:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"FuhfcC.A.kvB.V6WD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4336 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:34:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 4695593ef30300a886bb5f9c3b7b38d2 I've had "luck" getting 20 minute slots at "regular" rock venues - filling little gaps. With such short set-times, I have to work hard to keep set-up time lower than set playing time! David From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:47 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 12:49:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEgoh-00050s-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:49:03 -0800 Message-ID: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F5ED@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'zom' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Distro stuff... Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:38:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"SQrYuB.A.t-C.vzYD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4351 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:49:03 -0800 X-UIDL: bc84c02ff9b612b360b8f8907ad95cb9 Here are a few music distribution links you may wanna try.... http://www.csd.net/~muji/indiecentre.html http://www.localmusicstore.com/ http://www.newbury.com/ david k From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:24 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 10:55:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEf2e-0005so-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:55:20 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:43:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia) Subject: Re: scums stripper Resent-Message-ID: <"0tmDo.A.HFE.jLXD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4337 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:55:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 269ae96fc3f67056a645a46ad9f7325d >This is very curious. It seems that I've made some assumptions about SCMS >which are incorrect. As a test, I just did as you said, and put a disc I >recorded on the CDR870 (my own material, analog input) into my CD deck, >linked up the digital out and the CDR digital in. Copied fine, as you say. >Then I did the same with a disc I had made from a commercial music CD (on >the 870, digital in)--and it STILL copied OK! So I made a copy from a copy >of a commercial disc, all digitally. When the heck does SCMS kick in, >anyway? Whoa!!! Copied OK from a copy of a commercial CD!?! Could you repeat this test with another CD? I'd be VERY interested in hearing about your results! SCMS _should_ take effect on the second generation, but it dosn't appear to be working on your machine. Anyone else have a CDR870? Can you replicate these results? If you get the same results, the CDR870 might just be the cheapest pro (non-SCMS) digital recorder in the known universe (BONUS!) Let me know if you discover anything else! You may have just saved yourself (and a lot of the rest of us) 200 bones! (Won't tell you what MY girlfried would assume I was talking about if I told her I wanted to spend $200 on a scum stripper) -Doug Tapia From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:29 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 11:22:33 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEfSu-0001jz-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:22:28 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEfSq-0004oS-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:22:24 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEfSi-0001iM-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:22:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199803161844.KAA18552@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Phantom ringing Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:02:17 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C_peVD.A.2U.NmXD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4341 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:22:16 -0800 X-UIDL: a66e62204597cc66bc2d71921ad6544a -> From: Kim Flint > Throughout my life I've had a very odd thing happen with my hearing. It > happens rarely, once every other month or so. The hearing in one ear or the > other will do a complete fade out and be replaced by a high pitched tone. I > won't be able to hear anything else in that ear. This will last about a > minute, and the tone will slowly fade away while real sounds slowly fade > back in. Very rarely, it will be a low pitch instead. I've never been able > to relate it's occurance to anything, always completely unexpected. It > would be quite frightening if I hadn't been experiencing it my whole life. > Does this happen to anyone else, or am I a freak? Yeah...this happens to me too. You're not a freak.....or maybe we both are!! Anyway, I haven't noticed any connection between this high pitched tone and exposure to loud sounds (I always wear my nifty custom-fitted ear plugs to concerts, practices, gigs, etc.). Then again, I've read that even exposure to low level sounds (like road noise) over long periods of time can cause hearing loss...so maybe it's all this BLASTED typing noise at work that's doing it! Matt From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:27 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 11:15:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEfM2-0000mu-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:15:22 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD50CB.1EC43440.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Phantom ringing Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:02:20 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zlPwJC.A.quG.XfXD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4340 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:15:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 89585fc23ee39e183af0465ca7ceb4fe Me too Kim, almost exactly as you describe it, although maybe not quite as pronounced. (Guess this one's not gender specific. ;-) I haven't a clue why -- maybe we should lure Wessel out to a very nice lunch... laurie p.s. notice how I neatly sidestepped the "am I a freak" question! :) >From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] >Sent: Monday, March 16, 1998 9:56 AM > >Throughout my life I've had a very odd thing happen with my hearing. It >happens rarely, once every other month or so. The hearing in one ear or the >other will do a complete fade out and be replaced by a high pitched tone. I >won't be able to hear anything else in that ear. This will last about a >minute, and the tone will slowly fade away while real sounds slowly fade >back in. Very rarely, it will be a low pitch instead. I've never been able >to relate it's occurance to anything, always completely unexpected. It >would be quite frightening if I hadn't been experiencing it my whole life. >Does this happen to anyone else, or am I a freak? > >kim > > >At 9:24 AM +0000 3/16/98, tbajus wrote: >>TritoneDW wrote: >>> >>> Here's the thing--I've had it for as long as I can remember, way >>> before I started to listen to loud music. I had a lot of ear infections as a >>> kid, so I think that's got something to do with it. >> >>I have always had a phantom ringing in my ears as well, long before I >>started playing guitar. I have some pretty intense allergies, which >>lead to a alot of sinusitus and bronchitus (once I lived with a cat and >>got pneumonia), and seeing as how those two systems are fairly >>interconnected I have always assumed that they were related. I have >>also heard that some small amount of ringing is fairly natural, and >>nothing much to worry about in most cases. Could be wrong though- does >>anybody know for sure? >> >> >>Trevor > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > >From lists@slip.net Mon Mar 16 11:22:33 1998 From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:59 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 13:57:57 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEht6-00065V-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:57:40 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEgPh-0007nm-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:23:13 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEgPL-0001aD-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:22:51 -0800 Message-Id: <199803161858.SAA18368@beryl.sol.co.uk> From: "John Stevens" To: Cc: Subject: Fw: fave David Sylvian disc Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:07:50 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LfD29C.A.LMH.mbYD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4345 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:22:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 9f69e0814d6e31a4cb570de9533e6d1b ---------- > From: John Stevens > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: fave David Sylvian disc > Date: 16 March 1998 19:03 > > DS's album ALCHEMY: An Index Of Possibilities is a good place to start. > You'll either love it or loathe it as this is very experimental. (I love > it, natch!). > Side A Words with the Shamen is more rhythmic. > Side B Steel Cathedrals more dreamy/abstract. > > Contributors on this include: The Crafty One, John Hassell, Holger Czukay > et al. > > Most of his discs are excellent esp. Brilliant Trees (which is...). Gone to > Earth and Damage with RF> > > Happy listening! > ---------- > > From: Tom Lambrecht > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Re: fave David Sylvian disc > > Date: 16 March 1998 06:56 > > > > Just stumbled across a rather large selection of the above artist at a > > Borders . . . > > > > advice please . . .which disc do I (would you) get? why? > > > > thansk Tom > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net > > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:09 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 15:48:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEjcO-0004pD-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:48:32 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980316134052.00691384@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:40:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: Phantom ringing In-Reply-To: References: <350CEFE0.514@nyfac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5jzn3D.A.ZcD.rgbD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4366 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:48:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 5d5469c8f5f16b3a6c64e3c18a41569a The hearing in one ear or the >other will do a complete fade out and be replaced by a high pitched tone. This will last about a >minute, and the tone will slowly fade away while real sounds slowly fade >back in. Very rarely, it will be a low pitch instead. >Does this happen to anyone else, or am I a freak? > >kim I have the same thing. The experience makes me think I have something wrong physiology wise. I will suddenly feel very removed and quiet in one ear and the other will ring a bit, like thin bell. From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:35 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 12:02:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEg5f-0006si-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:02:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199803161957.MAA17235@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: Phantom ringing Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:51:33 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rin_pC.A.AgF.nNYD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4344 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:02:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 392806c1b23d2a9cab55c0f8e10673b3 Kim writes: >Throughout my life I've had a very odd thing happen with my hearing. It >happens rarely, once every other month or so. The hearing in one ear or the >other will do a complete fade out and be replaced by a high pitched tone. I >won't be able to hear anything else in that ear. This will last about a >minute, and the tone will slowly fade away while real sounds slowly fade >back in. Very rarely, it will be a low pitch instead. I've never been able >to relate it's occurance to anything, always completely unexpected. It >would be quite frightening if I hadn't been experiencing it my whole life. >Does this happen to anyone else, or am I a freak? kim Yes! Absolutely! I get the very same thing. EXACTLY the same. Dunno why this is. Have had it as long as I can remember. Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:55 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 13:41:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEhdi-000400-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:41:46 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:02:14 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199803162002.AA03919@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Phantom ringing References: Resent-Message-ID: <"k9tlBD.A.qxC.jqZD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4356 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:41:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 39074148ac3437634c46a72c24fa0a07 kim: >Throughout my life I've had a very odd thing happen with my hearing. It >happens rarely, once every other month or so. The hearing in one ear or the >other will do a complete fade out and be replaced by a high pitched tone. I >won't be able to hear anything else in that ear. Just happened to me earlier today. :) My recollection (I didn't test it this time), is that other sounds didn't actually do a "complete" fade out; but rather fade enough that all external sounds are panned so hard to one side that it's hard to tell the difference. I don't remember whether there's a variation in frequency response or not anymore (i.e. high frequencies are damped more than low). But the above assertion (not a complete fade out) can be tested by making a noise very close to the ear. Tapping on the ear itself works well but may be allowing the sound to be transmitted directly through fleshy matter instead of air, so I don't know how good of a test that is; snapping one's fingers is probably better. (The time available is short, so you pretty much have to work with whatcha got on you.) I've never worried about it either; I suspect this is because at some point I read or asked other people and found out that it's common; at least I've always _assumed_ it is, and the reason for that assumption is now lost in the depths of time. Sean From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:53 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 13:07:41 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEh6f-0007RN-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:07:37 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEh6a-0002OV-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:07:32 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEh6Q-0007PV-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:07:22 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980316123149.0097f740@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:31:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Phantom ringing In-Reply-To: References: <350CEFE0.514@nyfac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9yxsdB.A.DoF.GIZD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4353 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:07:22 -0800 X-UIDL: b2f3a5a81d33c26dd4fae2726b92dfea So a lot of people have chimed in with "YES - me too" - is there anyone here that doesn't experience this? And does anyone have any idea what the cause is? At 09:56 AM 3/16/98 -0800, you wrote: >Throughout my life I've had a very odd thing happen with my hearing. It >happens rarely, once every other month or so. The hearing in one ear or the >other will do a complete fade out and be replaced by a high pitched tone. I >won't be able to hear anything else in that ear. This will last about a >minute, and the tone will slowly fade away while real sounds slowly fade >back in. Very rarely, it will be a low pitch instead. I've never been able >to relate it's occurance to anything, always completely unexpected. It >would be quite frightening if I hadn't been experiencing it my whole life. >Does this happen to anyone else, or am I a freak? > >kim > From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:52 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 13:07:18 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEh6J-0007Od-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:07:15 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEh6G-0002N9-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:07:12 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEh68-0007NR-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:07:04 -0800 From: ENAT21213 Message-ID: <74ce2daa.350d9141@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:53:18 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CD project update Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"lZ5FuB.A.8iF.kHZD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4352 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:07:04 -0800 X-UIDL: bf094e0676671c3bd9c05c36796d0372 In a message dated 98-03-15 18:32:35 EST, you write: << At the end of this message is the liner notes to the CD. PLEASE check over your listing (word limit is 20-25) and make sure all your information is included. Check the spelling! If you have any questions, please let me know. Matt _______________ Liner Notes and Track Listing: 1: Electric Bird Noise "Japanese Toy Song" Brian Mckenzie: guitar, effects, loop machine Rev.Doc.Scromps: guitar, effects Dr. Rhythm: drums Contact: 5708 Long Leaf Er. Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 << hello matt, the correct contact address for us(electric bird noise) is, 5708 Long Leaf Dr. Myrtle Beach,S.C. 29577 our checks in the mail,sorry for our delay. thanks brian mckenzie From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:23 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 16:50:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEkaT-00054N-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:50:37 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:58:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803162058.PAA07001@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: RE: Phantom ringing Resent-Message-ID: <"DatGtD.A._qD.QbcD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4371 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:50:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 6785b43694a5eeee0d11b580c7eb3c23 Add me to the list. I thought it nay have been from using the phone too much in my day jobs in conjunction with the volume excesses of an electric guitarist in a rock band. This usually only happens with my left ear (phone ear) and thats the only thing I can think of to explain why that ear. Headphones and stage volume should have done in both ears. Unless I'm left-eared. Frank Gerace Dreamchild At 11:02 AM 3/16/98 -0800, you wrote: >Me too Kim, almost exactly as you describe it, although maybe not quite as >pronounced. (Guess this one's not gender specific. ;-) I haven't a clue why >-- maybe we should lure Wessel out to a very nice lunch... > >laurie > >p.s. notice how I neatly sidestepped the "am I a freak" question! :) > > >>From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] >>Sent: Monday, March 16, 1998 9:56 AM >> >>Throughout my life I've had a very odd thing happen with my hearing. It >>happens rarely, once every other month or so. The hearing in one ear or the >>other will do a complete fade out and be replaced by a high pitched tone. I >>won't be able to hear anything else in that ear. This will last about a >>minute, and the tone will slowly fade away while real sounds slowly fade >>back in. Very rarely, it will be a low pitch instead. I've never been able >>to relate it's occurance to anything, always completely unexpected. It >>would be quite frightening if I hadn't been experiencing it my whole life. >>Does this happen to anyone else, or am I a freak? >> >>kim >> >> >>At 9:24 AM +0000 3/16/98, tbajus wrote: >>>TritoneDW wrote: >>>> >>>> Here's the thing--I've had it for as long as I can remember, way >>>> before I started to listen to loud music. I had a lot of ear infections as >a >>>> kid, so I think that's got something to do with it. >>> >>>I have always had a phantom ringing in my ears as well, long before I >>>started playing guitar. I have some pretty intense allergies, which >>>lead to a alot of sinusitus and bronchitus (once I lived with a cat and >>>got pneumonia), and seeing as how those two systems are fairly >>>interconnected I have always assumed that they were related. I have >>>also heard that some small amount of ringing is fairly natural, and >>>nothing much to worry about in most cases. Could be wrong though- does >>>anybody know for sure? >>> >>> >>>Trevor >> >> >>______________________________________________________________________ >>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >>http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >> >> > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:07 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 15:07:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEiyT-0007Nt-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:07:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:01:29 -0800 Message-ID: <000A5FCF.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Phantom ringing To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , Mike.Biffle@wj.com, Laurie Hatch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"G7Zxo.A.r9F.M7aD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4363 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:07:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 9b4b49487ee190aecd0030b08f5b513d OK... You're all a bunch of freakin' freaks! Although I can't quite seem to clear up those sunspots and pink light beams that keep following me around. Way too much information in those energy rich, pink beams of light for me to keep track of... -Biffoz -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Me too Kim, almost exactly as you describe it, although maybe not quite as pronounced. (Guess this one's not gender specific. ;-) I haven't a clue why -- maybe we should lure Wessel out to a very nice lunch... laurie p.s. notice how I neatly sidestepped the "am I a freak" question! :) >From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] >Sent: Monday, March 16, 1998 9:56 AM > >Throughout my life I've had a very odd thing happen with my hearing. It >happens rarely, once every other month or so. The hearing in one ear or the >other will do a complete fade out and be replaced by a high pitched tone. I >won't be able to hear anything else in that ear. This will last about a >minute, and the tone will slowly fade away while real sounds slowly fade >back in. Very rarely, it will be a low pitch instead. I've never been able >to relate it's occurance to anything, always completely unexpected. It >would be quite frightening if I hadn't been experiencing it my whole life. >Does this happen to anyone else, or am I a freak? > >kim > > >At 9:24 AM +0000 3/16/98, tbajus wrote: >>TritoneDW wrote: >>> >>> Here's the thing--I've had it for as long as I can remember, way >>> before I started to listen to loud music. I had a lot of ear infections as a >>> kid, so I think that's got something to do with it. >> >>I have always had a phantom ringing in my ears as well, long before I >>started playing guitar. I have some pretty intense allergies, which >>lead to a alot of sinusitus and bronchitus (once I lived with a cat and >>got pneumonia), and seeing as how those two systems are fairly >>interconnected I have always assumed that they were related. I have >>also heard that some small amount of ringing is fairly natural, and >>nothing much to worry about in most cases. Could be wrong though- does >>anybody know for sure? >> >> >>Trevor > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:54 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 13:23:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEhLv-0001fP-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:23:23 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:07:27 -0800 Message-ID: <000A5FE1.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: ProjeKt 2 tour dates for Central CA To: Laurie Hatch , loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"F-OxWD.A.yY.JYZD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4354 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:23:23 -0800 X-UIDL: b07b62db0a8ab00ac3a4bf09fcdf22f5 Hi Laurie, I didn't post it... but I will right now... For those of you who are about to miss these shows!!!!!!! ProjeKt 2 = Fripp, Belew and Gunn 3-20 Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA 3-21/22 Great American Music Hall, SF, CA -Biffoz PS: About those indents and quotes... I wish MY mailer could do that for me! Oh well... (If someone knows how to get CCMail for windows to do this please let me in on it!) --------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Miko, have the P2 touring dates (all of em) been posted to the list? - I was gone for a while and still haven't gotten through all the accumulated messages. If not, I could post the URL to Belew's page, which has a nice schedule. I was just thinkin, maybe some of the locals, like me, missed the fact that it's happening soon.. http://dbtech.net/~rhino/ BTW, I can do quote indent brackets now!!! %^) It'll be much easier to toss messages back and forth. see ya, l. From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:55 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 13:29:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEhRW-0002QM-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:29:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:12:46 -0800 Message-ID: <000A5FF7.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Phantom ringing To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Sean Echevarria Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"n9PFMC.A.GDB.WdZD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4355 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:29:10 -0800 X-UIDL: e21bffb354bfc9a577c5e74a85a4d934 Allright, I'll cop to the mysterious arrival of the big TONE... I had to think about that one for a while though. It has appeared from time to time. I'd take a very uneducated guess that it has a lot to do with fatigue. I've had swimming spots and lost useful vision from time to time and became concerned... My eye doc basically said, "Give your eyes a rest, before you strain them!" I bet the same message is true concerning ear fatigue. Take a rest before more damage occurs. -Biffoz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- So a lot of people have chimed in with "YES - me too" - is there anyone here that doesn't experience this? And does anyone have any idea what the cause is? At 09:56 AM 3/16/98 -0800, you wrote: >Throughout my life I've had a very odd thing happen with my hearing. It >happens rarely, once every other month or so. The hearing in one ear or the >other will do a complete fade out and be replaced by a high pitched tone. I >won't be able to hear anything else in that ear. This will last about a >minute, and the tone will slowly fade away while real sounds slowly fade >back in. Very rarely, it will be a low pitch instead. I've never been able >to relate it's occurance to anything, always completely unexpected. It >would be quite frightening if I hadn't been experiencing it my whole life. >Does this happen to anyone else, or am I a freak? > >kim > From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:12 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 16:01:09 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEjoT-0006Tz-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:01:01 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEhwr-0005HG-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:01:33 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEhwW-0006Z2-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:01:12 -0800 From: KRosser414 Message-ID: <759055bd.350d9dcd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:46:51 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DX Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"Rr-GmD.A.2jE.j4ZD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4359 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:01:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 2bce6b84e0556458d5b672c4d907151c >> A DX-7 doesn't already have enough sounds of its own to complain about? >> >> Ken R >yep. it's the DX-7 itself, not the Lazy Non-Programmers who spoiled that >fine instrument's image for us..... Er..um..that was a joke. I was in enough rock bands in the 80's that had at least one DX-7 and at least one Lazy Non-Programmer for each, and all of those bands rightfully went nowhere. For me, it's one of those cases where the worst cliches of a certain instrument become so closely associated with an era that when tides shift and they start to sound dated the criticism of the instrument can get pretty cruel. So, for those sensitive DX-7 owners out there, no, there's nothing inherently wrong with the instrument... Ken R From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:01 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 14:09:17 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEi4I-0007eg-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:09:14 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEi4H-0005j6-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:09:13 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEi48-0007dU-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:09:04 -0800 From: Monk ici Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:50:29 EST To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: a few live loops Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_890085030_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"geE5VC.A.osF.LBaD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4360 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:09:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 55ad45de474da219faf92d844aee411b Content-ID: <0_890085030@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Monk ici Return-path: To: loopersdelight@annihilist.com Subject: a few live loops Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:49:07 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit for anyone interested... MONK a open-ended pop group (ala dan lanois/ gabriel/ sylvian/cocteau twins) will be playing a few live shows in the midwest u.s. and holland in the next few weeks. they use lotsa loops...(echoplex) march 14 grand rapids, mi- four friends coffeehouse 616 456 5356 march 18 atlanta, ga- eddies attic 404 377 4976 march 19 anderson, in- anderson university 765 641 4214 march 20 dayton, oh- canal st tavern 937 461 9343 march 21 cincinnati, oh- top cats 513 281 2005 march 27 ann arbor, mi- university of michigan april 22 athens, ga- 40 watt club (to be confirmed) may1-4 utrecht, rotterdam, the netherlands (holland) may 9 cincinnati, oh- jammin on main st festival may 15 alexadria, ky- northern kentucky univ (w/chris dahlgren-upright bass) may 16 harrodsburg ky. (w/chris dahlgren) may 17 cincinnati, oh- kaldi's (w/ chris dahlgren) for more information: merseybeet@aol.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:13 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 16:04:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEjrz-0006xw-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:04:39 -0800 Message-ID: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F5F0@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Looper's Delight Subject: Phantom ringing -- what's it all about, baby? Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:05:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"QzEtZ.A.YHF.ptbD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4368 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:04:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 3cef4ba761cea124920f12b01ac05407 I'll pipe in on this too. Anyone know what causes this phantom whining thing? D From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:03 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 14:27:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEiLz-0002EY-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:27:31 -0800 Message-ID: <19980316220813.25956.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:08:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Phantom ringing To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"88f_AC.A.Fz.bTaD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4361 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:27:31 -0800 X-UIDL: be159dd2eb8119739e175aae2b472eee 93 ---Kim Flint wrote: > > Throughout my life I've had a very odd thing happen with my hearing. It > happens rarely, once every other month or so. The hearing in one ear or the > other will do a complete fade out and be replaced by a high pitched tone. I > won't be able to hear anything else in that ear. This will last about a > minute, and the tone will slowly fade away while real sounds slowly fade > back in. Very rarely, it will be a low pitch instead. I've never been able > to relate it's occurance to anything, always completely unexpected. It > would be quite frightening if I hadn't been experiencing it my whole life. > Does this happen to anyone else, or am I a freak? > > kim I've had this happen to me every now and then, not as frequent as you seem to experience, but it's not that uncommon for me. I've always attributed it to that 108 degree fever I had when I was 6 (and yes, I know I should be dead :-) 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:57 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 13:55:36 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEhr0-0005nt-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:55:30 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEhqz-0004vt-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:55:29 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEhqo-0005mD-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:55:18 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980316141612.36c75422@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: km15@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (16) -- [Cornell Modified] Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:16:12 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kevin Miller Subject: Re: Phantom ringing In-Reply-To: References: <350CEFE0.514@nyfac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EOAzhB.A.T_D.P0ZD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4358 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:55:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 31290541b07e842e28c946214a984817 At 09:56 AM 3/16/98 -0800, you wrote: >Throughout my life I've had a very odd thing happen with my hearing. It >happens rarely, once every other month or so. The hearing in one ear or the >other will do a complete fade out and be replaced by a high pitched tone. I >won't be able to hear anything else in that ear. This will last about a >minute, and the tone will slowly fade away while real sounds slowly fade >back in. Very rarely, it will be a low pitch instead. I've never been able >to relate it's occurance to anything, always completely unexpected. It >would be quite frightening if I hadn't been experiencing it my whole life. >Does this happen to anyone else, Yes, it happens to me just as you describe. > or am I a freak? > >kim The two things are probably not related- the freakiness could just be an added bonus! Kevin From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:08 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 15:22:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEjCo-0001Yo-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:22:06 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD50ED.A3B41040.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: ProjeKt 2 tour dates for Central CA Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:07:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vMEXwD.A.jM.-GbD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4364 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:22:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 892091fb13c049f3d391a6cd23b21f32 Miko enthused: > >For those of you who are about to miss these shows!!!!!!! > >ProjeKt 2 = Fripp, Belew and Gunn > >3-20 Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA >3-21/22 Great American Music Hall, SF, CA > >-Biffoz BTW, TicketWeb is cheaper than other tix outlets by a few bucks (at least here in central CA), check 'em out: http://www.ticketweb.com/ ~~laurie >From lists@slip.net Mon Mar 16 15:48:46 1998 From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:32 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 18:20:56 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEkFf-0002Ig-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:29:07 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEjFE-0001dq-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:24:36 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEjF2-0001re-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:24:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199803162258.OAA26436@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: Phantom ringing Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:16:27 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LIDGwB.A.si.eJbD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4365 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:24:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 22f4b7ca912773ed14083f19040e15af > OK... You're all a bunch of freakin' freaks! Time to start a new list....Freakers Delight! From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:22 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 16:39:56 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEkQ4-0003eF-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:39:52 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEkQ1-0005Q0-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:39:50 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEkPx-0003dO-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:39:45 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:20:05 -0800 Message-ID: <000A62E8.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Phantom ringing To: "Looper's Delight" , Mike.Biffle@wj.com, "T.W. Hartnett" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"dY4x-.A.i-B.7NcD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4370 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:39:45 -0800 X-UIDL: a89759e3261dd45ee1f68e86010670d6 Then there's always the fashion conscious types who get tinnitus cause Townsend, Torn et. al. get it! -mb ---------------------------------------------- >Then again, I've read that even exposure >to low level sounds (like road noise) over long periods of time can cause >hearing loss...so maybe it's all this BLASTED typing noise at work that's >doing it! There are even cases where professional drivers picked up tinnitus in their left ear only, from years of driving with the the window down at highway speeds. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:33 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 18:22:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEm1A-0000kO-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:22:16 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <3c9c2d18.350dc508@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:34:14 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Phantom noises, Ear Ringing, Looper topics Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"mCKlJC.A.GRH.ezdD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4377 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:22:16 -0800 X-UIDL: d4e07b4ecd12728509e1ccb011ad2a3f What, did someone say something? I went to the doctor the other day and he put me up onto the table and placed his stethescope to my lower back and he said "I would like to hear your bowels" I said "A E I O U". Constant ringing in my ears came from bad karma at Rock concerts in the early 70s. I recall a ZZtop concert where my ears were shocked into the next day. The Stones and Ten Years after were worse. This was back in the days when midrange was king. The sound was so muddled that one could hardly make it out. Saw other groups whose only guitar amplification came from their amps. Absurd hey? Tinnitis is a good thing. It's the best wife filter on the planet. I honestly can't hear about 25% of what is being discussed. High freqs. roll off first. Went to the ear doctor once when I was in my early 30's. He said yup, your about 3db down. Hey, isn't that half power? The only solution I've found is to buy a bigger amp. Can't hear the ringing. As far as proper topics for a loopers page, seems as if we are looping on topics that some loopers don't want to discuss. But, hey as long as we loop on it, it should be okay? Right? Right? ght? ht? t? t? 78~) Regards Juan. (3rd CD project) From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:26 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 17:00:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEkkC-0006Ob-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:00:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:47:18 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: Rocktron/MS 20 unholy alliance Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803161948_MC2-36F6-5C34@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"8CjCJD.A.OpE.picD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4373 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:00:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 47b9bbcb79d0984fab4fd7b752715259 Didn't somebody mention CV <--> MIDI converters a while back? What's the story on them? -sorry I forgot. Tom wrote: >BUT I don't think what you are proposing will work--I am a total newcomer to MIDI, but the MS 20 is more IDI than MIDI, time-period wise. I believe the modules will respond to CV and external inputs, but all those 1's and 0's will probably mess it's head . . . HMMMMM . . . < Rob From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:34 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 18:37:36 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEmFz-0002W4-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:37:35 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yElGE-0000M1-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:33:46 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yElG3-0002ha-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:33:35 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:47:21 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: MS-20 Synths Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803161948_MC2-36F6-5C36@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"gzxsH.A.VfB.pDdD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4374 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:33:35 -0800 X-UIDL: e8781731823619ddfd8f31973a88b570 Oh boy, I'm answering my own posts. Somebody hit me ... ow!! Yah, yah, OK I figured this out tonight - the kalimba is a heavy metal instrument. I tried putting various kalimba loops through the ESP section of the MS-20 with gratuitous use of the envelope generators - ooh sick! If only the kalimba had more "phallic" properties I could do those on stage ... is this why so many of you play guitar? Rob (I'm actually wearing asbestos) Rob (that's me) wrote: >Strange that this topic should come up right now because a friend of mine >just lent me his MS-20 yesterday. This is the first time that I've actually >meddled with an analog beast and the possibilities are overwhelming! I've >tried using this on an aux-send from my mixer and am getting great results >applying this to loops. The entire patch area of the MS-20 is really >amazing - today's devices don't seem to give you as much control all at >once. It can be a little confusing though ... 8-) Does anyone use one of >these live? I can't imagine the panic that would set in trying to gt the >"right sound" under live pressure. The whole "preset" concept came later, >eh? Another question: does anyone have any neat ideas on attaching various >loop/ drum machine signals to the various patch inputs? It seems to me that >the possibilities are many... >Thanks for the new thread, >Rob< From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:24 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 17:00:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEkk0-0006Mz-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:00:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:47:25 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: Phantom ringing (added: The Listening Book) Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803161948_MC2-36F6-5C37@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"FUgoUB.A.8oE.nicD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4372 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:00:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 2fee37d4fc90c7ebc3663fbb2ac0bf7e kim wrote: >It would be quite frightening if I hadn't been experiencing it my whole life. >Does this happen to anyone else, or am I a freak?< Pre-Script: THE FOLLOWING EMAIL IS A TAD LONG - SORRY, I LOST IT ... (avoir trop bu? Croyez cela et buvez de l'eau) Well, I guess I'll have to wave my freak flag with ya on that one (you are >from the Bay area, right ;-) ) ... happens to me, too. I always thought that this was normal. But then, maybe it was that Iron Maiden concert I attended when I was 13 ... Hey cool, there's Eddy! :-) But I suppose nothing compares to that famous clip of Pete Townsend having Keith Moon's drum kit blow up in his ear. Ow. More seriously, isn't the sound of our blood flowing in our head a part of the background noise we hear? And doesn't our auditory system produce (thermally generated?) its own background noise just like any system? Aha, but why don't we hear white or pink noise? It would seem that ear ringing is some sort of feedback then, non? Or did I forget to turn off my computer - that high pitched hard drive whine really bugs me sometimes! For those of you who find this as interesting as I do, I would recommend another really great book: "The Listening Book - Discovering Your Own Music", by W. A. Mathieu, Shambhala, Boston & London, ISBN 0-87773-610-3. Some of you must have read this - I find that I can always pick it up and read a little for ideas, inspiration. A lot of the exercises he mentions are great for Musik-Geeks like us - composing little "symphonies" from the sounds around us - banging/ twanging something to discover it's vibe. Walking, finger snapping, clapping riddim orkestras ... Here's an excerpt concerning Singing with Machines: "If your phone is Touch-Tone, dial your own number. You will get a busy signal, but your are now free to play with the buttons without dialing New Zealand. Notice that if you start with a corner button and play horizontally you will get one scale, but if you play vertically, you'll get another. Try the possibilities. Perfect your legato touch until you can move from one tone to the next with no busy signal peeking through. These tones have been especially chosen to be off from the conventional music scale, so Touch-Tone tunes have their own peculiar character. Of course, no buttons down will give you the rhythmic on-off of the busy signal, an important instrument in your orchestra. Concentrate on what you are hearing. Get serious. Maybe this is the historical imperative of the telephone." OK this is me speakin' again: Concerning listening, sometimes I like to hear how the atmosphere carries sound differently. I mean how we can "hear" spring coming after winter simply by the "dampedness" as opposed to the previously "dry" sound. I hope it's not just me ... BTW, can someone send me the ISBN and publisher from the Murray Shafer book ("The Tuning Of Our World")? Thanks, Rob From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:27 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 17:49:43 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yElVT-0004kO-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:49:31 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yElVR-00015o-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:49:29 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yElVA-0004i0-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:49:12 -0800 Message-ID: <350DD647.89576DA8@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:47:51 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Phantom ringing References: <199803162058.PAA07001@user1.channel1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EHjdAD.A.XtD.xUdD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4375 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:49:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 651b7ac96f1411d6b6c3428f4238b914 You can add me also.It happens so rarely though that I just considered it an anomoly.Maybe barametric pressure? Jeff Frank Gerace wrote: > Add me to the list. Frank Gerace > > Dreamchild > > At 11:02 AM 3/16/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Me too Kim, > >laurie > > > >p.s. notice how I neatly sidestepped the "am I a freak" question! :) > > > > > >>From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] > >>Sent: Monday, March 16, 1998 9:56 AM > >> > >>Throughout my life I've had a very odd thing happen with my hearing. It > >>happens rarely, once every other month or so. The hearing in one ear or the > >>other will do a complete fade out and be replaced by a high pitched tone. I > >>won't be able to hear anything else in that ear. This will last about a > >>minute, and the tone will slowly fade away while real sounds slowly fade > >>back in. Very rarely, it will be a low pitch instead. I've never been able > >>to relate it's occurance to anything, always completely unexpected. It > >>would be quite frightening if I hadn't been experiencing it my whole life. > >>Does this happen to anyone else, or am I a freak? > >> > >>kim > >> > >> > >>At 9:24 AM +0000 3/16/98, tbajus wrote: > >>>TritoneDW wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Here's the thing--I've had it for as long as I can remember, way > >>>> before I started to listen to loud music. > >>> > >>>Trevor > >> > >> > >>______________________________________________________________________ > >>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >>kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > >>http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:29 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 17:57:34 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEldD-0005n2-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:57:31 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEldD-0001Wi-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:57:31 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEld3-0005lu-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:57:21 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199803170148.RAA28847@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Phantom ringing To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:48:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199803162002.AA03919@world.std.com> from "Sean T Barrett" at Mar 16, 98 03:02:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"v23RsC.A.-VE.4ZdD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4376 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:57:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 0728f9b09ede3f3ebe1426b7cfecceca > kim: > >Throughout my life I've had a very odd thing happen with my hearing. It > >happens rarely, once every other month or so. The hearing in one ear or the > >other will do a complete fade out and be replaced by a high pitched tone. I > >won't be able to hear anything else in that ear. I think I've experienced that with altitude changes (such as driving through the mountains between the north LA/Burbank area and Bakersfield). Or maybe I'm talking about something different... Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 23:44:07 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 19:59:56 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEnXe-0003fH-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:59:54 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEnXc-0006Q6-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:59:52 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEnXY-0003eN-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:59:48 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:16:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: lowfrqcy@west.net (Ryan Blum) Subject: Re: ProjeKt 2 in Ventura Resent-Message-ID: <"06dYWB.A.T3C.dQfD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4379 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:59:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 97b963813e009da3c0201234dc5aa634 hey there.... Any loopfolk heading to ProjeKCt 2 in Ventura, CA this wednesday? It would be nice to meet some of ya!! Thanks, Ryan -- "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -Albert Einstein From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 00:11:07 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 00:06:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yErNx-00055w-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:06:09 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:45:41 -0500 (EST) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping new realities In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980316105803.0068a2dc@mail.utexas.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"EEVGxC.A.ucE.y4iD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4386 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:06:09 -0800 X-UIDL: a362fa4b244429c1efffcaec0a9311b3 I'd love to try playing with some of this 3D-MIDI stuff, but I've already got more things going on than I can handle. I've done some static 3D renderings, even placed in a contest in a CAD magazine, but nothing with motion. Years ago, I used to play with primitive computer images, done on my old Atari, soundtracked with Talking Heads, etc. to a VCR. As I said it was pretty primitive, by today's standards, but it was fun. If any of the rest of you do get into some of this stuff, I'd love to hear about it. BTW, I did scan the article, it's about 740K zipped up, if anyone else wants to read it. Stew From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 19:08:16 1998 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: important question! Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Message-Id: >At 07:27 PM 8/19/97 -0700, Goddess wrote: >> Hi all, does anyone know about any plans to give the edp the ability to >>save it's current audio data on a floppy? the current hardware doesn't have any way to support such a thing. you wouldn't want to use a floppy anyway, that's too small too hold much audio data. >> Is there any way to save this >>information via sysex? yes, you can do midi sample dump, which is unbearably slow if your loops are any longer than about 1 second. (midi sample dump is just slow, nothing to do with the echoplex.) >>As a comment, I think it would be nice to have >>somehting like a scsi port to plug a disk drive into. It's a pain to back >>things up to cassette all the time... I agree. We (aurisis research) certainly plan to add support for such things to our software someday. It will be quite some time before it would show up in any products, though. One idea for backup is to us a sequencer program that supports hard disk recording. Record the loop audio from the edp to the hard disk, and add midi commands in the sequencer for start and stop record at the beginning and end of the audio loop. Then when you want to load the loop back in, you just play the sequence. It would start record on the echoplex while playing audio to it, and stop at the correct point. You could also have midi commands in the sequence that set all the parameters to where you want them for that particular loop. So you would play the sequence and be all ready to go. A nice benefit of this is that you could actually listen to the loop while it is "loading" so it might even be more convenient in real-time use than waiting for a scsi load. The down side would be the extra pass through a/d and d/a convertors. kim From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 23:44:03 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 19:13:35 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEmoj-00066l-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:13:30 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEmog-0004ay-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:13:26 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEmoc-00065V-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:13:22 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:08:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: important question! Resent-Message-ID: <"kP0YcD.A.dKF.zkeD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4378 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:13:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 453da68abec43c1e9dcc5efdb7dbca2f >At 07:27 PM 8/19/97 -0700, Goddess wrote: >> Hi all, does anyone know about any plans to give the edp the ability to >>save it's current audio data on a floppy? the current hardware doesn't have any way to support such a thing. you wouldn't want to use a floppy anyway, that's too small too hold much audio data. >> Is there any way to save this >>information via sysex? yes, you can do midi sample dump, which is unbearably slow if your loops are any longer than about 1 second. (midi sample dump is just slow, nothing to do with the echoplex.) >>As a comment, I think it would be nice to have >>somehting like a scsi port to plug a disk drive into. It's a pain to back >>things up to cassette all the time... I agree. We (aurisis research) certainly plan to add support for such things to our software someday. It will be quite some time before it would show up in any products, though. One idea for backup is to us a sequencer program that supports hard disk recording. Record the loop audio from the edp to the hard disk, and add midi commands in the sequencer for start and stop record at the beginning and end of the audio loop. Then when you want to load the loop back in, you just play the sequence. It would start record on the echoplex while playing audio to it, and stop at the correct point. You could also have midi commands in the sequence that set all the parameters to where you want them for that particular loop. So you would play the sequence and be all ready to go. A nice benefit of this is that you could actually listen to the loop while it is "loading" so it might even be more convenient in real-time use than waiting for a scsi load. The down side would be the extra pass through a/d and d/a convertors. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 23:44:08 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 20:19:38 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEnqf-0005su-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:19:33 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEnqc-0007Dp-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:19:30 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEnqW-0005ro-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:19:24 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:13:34 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Phantom Ringing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Etepy.A.P3E.MifD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4380 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:19:25 -0800 X-UIDL: da29a5b58ca32b7baefaa79cb39aa905 I thought I was crazy for years hearing occasional high-pitched ringing tones, until I realized I'd rented a room next to Robert Fripp. Yes, this was a joke. I was a part of a very loud rock band during most of the 1980s and early 1990s. The last couple years I used earplugs all the time and it really helped, but some of those early years probably did untold damage yet unrealized (we considered it a point of pride back in '84 that we pegged a friends' Radio Shack db meter. Oh boy.) Anyway, since '92 I've been doing mostly solo stuff at conversation level - my Boogie Studio preamp lets me get a SCREAMIN' tone if needed yet at conversational levels. I don't miss the blast of wind from my combo amp, either, but is used sparingly. -Todd. From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 23:44:09 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 21:48:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEpEC-0007A5-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:47:56 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980316223204.007d0b40@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:32:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: fave David Sylvian disc In-Reply-To: <199803160656.BAA15229@cliff.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"O2UIY.A.1HG.X1gD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4381 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:47:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 4c58c953e73ce864c5af598cb9b6ca64 Tom, I'd recommend "Gone to earth", which features Robert Fripp, the Electro-harmonix 16 second delay, and Bill Nelson, and "Secrets of the Beehive" which features David Torn. -Chuck At 01:56 AM 3/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >Just stumbled across a rather large selection of the above artist at a >Borders . . . > >advice please . . .which disc do I (would you) get? why? > >thansk Tom >Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net > > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 23:44:11 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 21:56:36 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEpMV-0000Nk-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:56:31 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEpMT-0002Rh-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:56:29 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEpMK-0000M7-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:56:20 -0800 Message-ID: <350E0E6E.D02@engin.umich.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:47:26 -0500 From: Darcy Clark Reply-To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Organization: University of Michigan X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sources for Drum Loops References: <350AF000.6C16765A@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S99JHC.A.wGH.v9gD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4382 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:56:20 -0800 X-UIDL: c5de15e9693baddadf9b132c196d7513 Hi all, I am a guitarist and sometime keyboardist....still a newbie looper but learning some tricks...I lack percussive skills but do enjoy adding drumstuff to my loops...has anyone used or played with Sample CD-ROMs or otherwise pre-recorded off the shelf drum loop libraries. After a brief scan around there seem to be *lot* dance/trance/hiphop/r&b/industrial etc... libraries in audio and CD-ROM format. However there are a few vendors with more esoteric stuff.....anyone have any recommendations or suggestions for sources of cool drum/persussion loops ? thanks, Darcy From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:47:46 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 12:38:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEgeJ-0003cs-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:38:19 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980316220715.0b5fb752@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:07:15 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Phantom ring modulating In-Reply-To: <199803161957.MAA17235@hyper.dimensional.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"aDTZE.A.41B.GrYD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4350 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:38:19 -0800 X-UIDL: f7c28b4d5943869394b2fdd32857943a EVERYONE writes: >>Throughout my life I've had a very odd thing happen with my hearing. It >>happens rarely, once every other month or so. The hearing in one ear or >>the other will do a complete fade out and be replaced by a high pitched >>tone. I won't be able to hear anything else in that ear. This will last >>about a minute, Me too, me too... so with that established, anyone know what it IS?? Onto ring modulating. This from a review of the Boss ME30 in this month's The Guitar Magazine.... "I have but one niggle. What is the point of that load of arse called ring modulation that Boss and other makers keep shoving in these units? With the exception of frightening small children, there doesn't seem to be a single use for it. Any serious (printable) suggestions would be very welcome indeed" Anyone wanting to give them a serious (printable) suggestion, send it to The Guitar Magazine on guitar@lhm.co.uk Or, send them to me and I'll collate them. Michael From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 23:44:14 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 22:26:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEppQ-0003Y5-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:26:24 -0800 From: TritoneDW Message-ID: <5975fd58.350e15a4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:18:09 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Phantom ringing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"BGW6GD.A.peC.uXhD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4383 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:26:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 32ae6f2f2cbbfe45cd51b3c67cc77726 In a message dated 98-03-16 13:53:14 EST, you write: << Throughout my life I've had a very odd thing happen with my hearing. It happens rarely, once every other month or so. The hearing in one ear or the other will do a complete fade out and be replaced by a high pitched tone. I won't be able to hear anything else in that ear. This will last about a minute, and the tone will slowly fade away while real sounds slowly fade back in. Very rarely, it will be a low pitch instead. I've never been able to relate it's occurance to anything, always completely unexpected. It would be quite frightening if I hadn't been experiencing it my whole life. Does this happen to anyone else, or am I a freak? kim >> This exact same thing happens to me, and mywife, too. As to whether or not you're a freak, I dunno. You *seem* nice enough.... Drew W. From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 23:44:15 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 22:31:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEpty-000495-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:31:06 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980317002433.00694a50@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:24:33 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re:phantom ringing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"D_8Mx.A.s_C.tbhD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4384 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:31:06 -0800 X-UIDL: baab06b9583fcbf6773473605701a7fd (nyface...whoops) What about the electromagnetic spectrum zooming about and continually being filled in new ways. What about all the electronic devices everywhere humming hebephrenic tunes. Humans are considered analog, but maybe there's an ongoing evolution, (egad did I say that word). With implants, we could work with the digital, but I wonder about the stream's of unconciousness mojo as well. Is this "phantom ringing" more than my mucal membranes having a 24-7 luau and limbo dance party in the bacteria hospice of my nasal cavity? Club Med... Eep! My next vacuous thought would be to make that sound. Anybody? Or has Fripp already done it? neural abode, Mjh From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 23:44:17 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 22:52:44 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEqEm-0006K5-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:52:36 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEqEj-0004U5-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:52:33 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEqEc-0006It-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:52:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:47:12 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: AW: hearing, gender, old info... Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199803170147_MC2-3705-5B95@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"L5gxyB.A.SkF.kzhD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4385 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:52:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 2c5a0edd2260ad82fc712fb892378f32 >A must read concerning hearing, environmental >sounds and a whole lot more is >R. Murray Schaefer's "The Tuning of the World" agreed. Another must read is Pauline Oliveros' "Software for People". michael peters mpeters@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ From ???@??? Mon Mar 16 18:48:15 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 16 16:28:35 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEkEw-0002CE-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:28:22 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEkEd-0004nb-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:28:03 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEkE9-00025Z-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:27:33 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980317020001.2a273ce2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:00:01 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Phantom ringing -- what's it all about, baby? In-Reply-To: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F5F0@mail.exapps.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Uno9uB.A.ox.vEcD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4369 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:27:33 -0800 X-UIDL: debc1e9b021e84218023d977c468797b Dave K: >I'll pipe in on this too. >Anyone know what causes this phantom whining thing? Dunno.... talking about gear, or pointless Fripp worship, usually induces a lot of phantom whining from somewhere....! Ouch! Mi-ow! ;) Michael ps sorry kim From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 09:30:14 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 02:23:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEtWM-0006gV-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:22:58 -0800 Reply-To: "Stefano Voulaz" From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: "Loopers!" Subject: Re: Sylvian Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:22:11 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd518e$8c5a5ca0$6902a8c0@voulaz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"TltmfD.A.SBG.i5kD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4388 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:22:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 8f15d1d9f9b62b527ab1fac18c710e14 Hi! Being a DS addict, I could not resist mentioning his work with Holger Czukay ("Flux + Mutability" and "Plight and Premonition") and with Russel Mills ("Ember Glance"). They are rally experimental work, but they are worth listening to for hours. Many thing to discover each time you play them. On the opposite side (read: less experimental), Damage (with Robert Fripp) is a peak of artistic performance of both (DS and RF). You can't miss it. The Looping Uncle 8^)# From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 11:58:37 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 11:13:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF1ng-0003xL-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:13:24 -0800 Message-ID: <350E544C.1512@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:45:32 +0000 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MS-20 Synths References: <199803161948_MC2-36F6-5C36@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NwPdbB.A.pHC.dhsD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4399 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:13:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 402396fe5bca2a061ad507f940f2dfb6 R & T Cummings wrote: > > Oh boy, I'm answering my own posts. Somebody hit me ... ow!! > Yah, yah, OK I figured this out tonight - the kalimba is a heavy metal > instrument. I think you have it wrong- Flute is a heavy metal instrument! Kalimba is either a punk rock or an industrial dance instrument. A friend of mine would mike a kalimba with walkman headphones (hey, we were young and broke then!) into a rat pedal, and then into various resonator and ring modulator patches on the quadroverb. Kinky stuff, Trevor From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 09:30:13 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 02:03:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEtD9-0005FJ-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:03:07 -0800 Message-ID: <350E5779.FEF64F2C@infobiogen.fr> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:59:08 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Sylvian (and others) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zohn8D.A.wtE.OnkD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4387 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:03:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 67489716868b9e6694ace100034e6cfc While I second all suggestions made, I'm quite surprised to see that none mentioned "Rain Trre Crow". Album featurind all former members of Japan (hence Sylvian/Jansen/Karn/Barbieri) and various others of the like of Brook.... Great music, great songs, a must (to me) Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 11:58:34 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 10:10:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF0oR-0003Gk-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:10:07 -0800 Message-ID: <350E75ED.78C8@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:09:01 +0000 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Phantom Flanging References: <04e901bd51c1$476ce9e0$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QvsTs.A.7IC.LrrD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4398 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:10:07 -0800 X-UIDL: a8192e03413c8e9e329f0cf3fa07a85b Mark Kata wrote: > > Several years ago, I had an ear infection that caused the hearing in one ear > to be 1/4 tone flat. > > Man, you should have heard the flanging in my head! > > When I plugged one ear, it disappeared. > > Needless to say, I got medical treatment very quickly. > > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com I had the same problem, so I had a footswitch installed Trev From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 09:30:15 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 06:03:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEwy8-0006Q5-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:03:52 -0800 From: Texture444 Message-ID: <1d571082.350e81ea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:00:08 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: fave David Sylvian disc Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"IK5p2C.A.BwF.qIoD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4389 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:03:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 4c5e58a2b62e98bfa930a876108f1e31 in a message dated 3/16/98 2:51:59 AM, doug pieren wrote: >His work with Japan (which included Steve Jansen and Richard Barbieri) >is also wonderful i'm sure that you inadvertently left Mick Karn's name outta that 'Japan'-list, right? From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 09:30:17 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 06:16:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yExAZ-0007Zz-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:16:43 -0800 From: MiqSk8 Message-ID: <55766271.350e84db@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:12:20 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: fave David Sylvian disc Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"VXJu9.A.-vG.bUoD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4390 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:16:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 08a5daaad4f0d7c1354033baca93612f actually, my favorite is one not commercially available-Live in theater. the first time i heard it i actually wept. it is the only cd i hide when i go out of town(although i finally made a couple backup cdr's). texture444's playing especially ignites me on this. this definitely should have been a commercial recording- by far the best live sound i've heard. From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 09:30:21 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 06:50:15 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yExgy-00032X-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:50:12 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yExgw-0006xr-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:50:10 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yExgr-00031V-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:50:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199803171446.JAA29500@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Re: fave David Sylvian disc Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:45:25 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dD1nrD.A.TfC.lzoD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4391 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:50:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 4e69178cc6e73839512c37f29874c5cf hey DT, andre here (dreads, wool hat) again - thanks for bringing your madness to the knit last week!! it was good to talk to you again - and love the OUD.... hey - are there any polytown plans??? for 98?? do you know what terry is doing ?? clinics?? psyched for the BLUE show - i just ordered the CD!! see ya, good luck andre' ps - (sorry, dumb question, forgive me - do you need dubs from the wnyc ryiuchi show ??) ** check out the new site for the zappa tribute band i play guitar in.. PROJECT/OBJECT From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 09:30:37 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 09:30:00 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF0BU-0005gu-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:29:52 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEySx-0000YA-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:39:47 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEySr-0007h3-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:39:41 -0800 From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Date: Tue, 17 Mar 98 09:52:00 EST Encoding: 6 Text Message-Id: <9802178901.AA890160079@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CD project update Resent-Message-ID: <"8TqSpD.A.20G.vhpD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4392 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:39:41 -0800 X-UIDL: dcc3933adb57ca27960762770b954c8d The track list looks good to me. Also I sent out my check a few days ago so hopefully you'll get it post haste... ed From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 09:30:35 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 09:01:48 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEzk4-0001hN-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:01:32 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEzjy-0003ek-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:01:26 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEzje-0001do-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:01:06 -0800 Message-ID: <350E9318.1E0D@LightlyExpressed.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:13:28 -0500 From: "Michael E. Weber" Reply-To: Mike@lightlyexpressed.com Organization: Lightly Expressed Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: introductions? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JCfCPD.A.Uy.wrqD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4396 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:01:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 4495b04ec05c97c0cb29af8db6abf809 as i have just stepped into this loop loop i wonder if the regular participants might introduce themselves? just a little bio to put some context to the range of discussion. i would be happy to respond in kind directly. respectfully, mike loopydood@aol.com or mike@lightly expressed.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 09:30:32 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 08:01:56 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEyoM-0002JB-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:01:54 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yEyoK-0001Kb-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:01:52 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEyoD-0002Hv-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:01:45 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:57:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: scums stripper Resent-Message-ID: <"2J_-IC.A.QiB.90pD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4393 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:01:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 8250d96ade473f8c031c1a8fe2070171 Doug: The test I did was of only one track of a current popular CD (not track 1, if that matters), and both "common/data" CDR and "audio/consumer" CDR discs were involved. I expect a shipment of more "cheapie" CDRs tomorrow & will see what happens when attempting to copy an entire commercial disc, then doing it again... will let you (and all) know how it goes. Could it be that SCMS is only at the head? This seems to be how the "audio/consumer" (i.e., Philips CDR870) discs do their detestable thing.... But I have to say, if SCMS only prevents making a copy of a copy, who the hell cares? If I can dupe as many copies as I like of my own material, and can even run off 200 copies of Barry Manilow Pukes In Your Shoes if I wish, what more does anyone--certainly any pirate--need?? David Myers >Whoa!!! Copied OK from a copy of a commercial CD!?! Could you repeat this >test with another CD? I'd be VERY interested in hearing about your >results! > >SCMS _should_ take effect on the second generation, but it dosn't appear to >be working on your machine. Anyone else have a CDR870? Can you replicate >these results? > >If you get the same results, the CDR870 might just be the cheapest pro >(non-SCMS) digital recorder in the known universe (BONUS!) > >Let me know if you discover anything else! You may have just saved >yourself (and a lot of the rest of us) 200 bones! (Won't tell you what MY >girlfried would assume I was talking about if I told her I wanted to spend >$200 on a scum stripper) > >-Doug Tapia From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 09:30:33 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 08:27:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEzCm-0005Bo-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:27:08 -0800 Message-ID: <04e901bd51c1$476ce9e0$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Phantom Flanging Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:25:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"gRb4nC.A.nSE.INqD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4394 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:27:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 99514dcb60ddd7dbdc1f9d1432c84718 Several years ago, I had an ear infection that caused the hearing in one ear to be 1/4 tone flat. Man, you should have heard the flanging in my head! When I plugged one ear, it disappeared. Needless to say, I got medical treatment very quickly. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 18:38:25 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 15:43:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF60l-0006yu-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:43:11 -0800 From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Date: Tue, 17 Mar 98 11:28:00 EST Encoding: 12 Text Message-Id: <9802178901.AA890166639@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:phantom ringing Resent-Message-ID: <"LsSvH.A.n3E.GdwD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4405 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:43:11 -0800 X-UIDL: f24146dff9ab8be40c22842a75bd8544 One more thing about "phantom ringing" : I read some article years ago about Nicola Tesla and some kind of "sound weapon" which would transmit tones across great distances. Or maybe it was an energy source which gave off some extra noise. In any case, this technology was supposedly never realized and buried. I've always thought that this phantom ringing (which I also..) was from secret government tests of this Tesla technology. But I watch the X-files religiously so... ed chang From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 09:30:34 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 08:37:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yEzN7-0006VN-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:37:49 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:33:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Vortex sighting Resent-Message-ID: <"BuUBx.A._lF.gXqD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4395 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:37:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 7f8f3b2ad88fa3d27ab89f6cd9999718 >From Harmony Central today: Lexicon Vortex with manual $200 Digitech TSR 24 $350 Eventide HM-80 Harmonizer$250 Boss PH1r phaser $70 Boss DC2 digital dimension $100 please don't bother with lowballing me. All gear is in excellent working order and I don't need the money that bad. (Sorry but I seem to be getting alot of offers from idiots lately) "Uhhh, I'll give you half what you're asking if you deliver it to Alaska by horseback" I'm exagerating but I'm sure you know what I mean. Thanks. Seller: Gavin Pearce, (301)806-6152 E-mail: fuzzeewuzz@aol.com Location: GAITHERSBURG, MD Post Date: 3/16/98 From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 11:58:34 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 09:45:15 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF0QH-0007gT-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:45:09 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yF0QF-0005JH-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:45:07 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF0Q6-0007ew-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:44:58 -0800 Message-ID: <19980317173248.8400.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: fave Mick Karn Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:32:47 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"sE_jyC.A.cFG.3RrD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4397 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:44:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 3dca84d61c04da3224f92662b6985036 Volk- >i'm sure that you inadvertently left Mick Karn's name outta that 'Japan'-list, >right? Ya know I was listening to The Tooth Mother the other day on the drive home and man-o-schevitz did that thing not make me bop in the car.... Mas recommended. selam, buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 18:38:26 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 16:26:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF6gj-0004kI-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:26:33 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <350E9318.1E0D@LightlyExpressed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:40:25 -0800 To: Mike@lightlyexpressed.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: introductions? Resent-Message-ID: <"9e2cTB.A.knC.fExD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4406 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:26:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 44d52ce88bb5d228793412c8964d4137 At 10:13 AM -0500 3/17/98, Michael E. Weber wrote: >as i have just stepped into this loop loop i wonder if the regular >participants might introduce themselves? just a little bio to put some >context to the range of discussion. i would be happy to respond in kind >directly. you might try the profiles page on the website. go to: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html and click on the "Loopers of the World" link. Feel free to add your own while you are there! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 15:08:19 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 12:56:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF3Ov-0001GV-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:55:57 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980317111009.00a9f6e0@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:10:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: introductions? In-Reply-To: <350E9318.1E0D@LightlyExpressed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"llwbdC.A.2QH.-DuD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4401 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:55:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 0a08b9060a4443f1da6329148be610a1 Hey, I recognize your name and domain name - you maintain/sponsor a certain website that a few on this list would find pretty interesting: http://www.lightlyexpressed.com/mike/kcg Sorry - didn't mean to out you... You should check the loopers-delight website for profiles of many of the usual suspects at http://www.annihilist.com/cgi_bin/profiles.cgi. sean At 10:13 AM 3/17/98 -0500, Mike Weber wrote: >as i have just stepped into this loop loop i wonder if the regular >participants might introduce themselves? just a little bio to put some >context to the range of discussion. i would be happy to respond in kind >directly. > >respectfully, > >mike >loopydood@aol.com >or >mike@lightly expressed.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 11:58:39 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 11:13:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF1ni-0003xS-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:13:26 -0800 Message-ID: <350ECB67.FF5D2505@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:13:42 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: phase cancellation X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"U2yMa.A.ATC.wisD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4400 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:13:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 86e72eb0c698b0e9e79ccc3e90c6a75e I've been having a disagreement with a friend of mine as to the nature of hearing perception and the phase cancellation of sound waves. I'm pretty sure that phase cancellation is the perception of the physical phenomena of the cancellation (or addition) of vibratory acoustic energy and that if each ear could be isolated, as in a headphone situation, and identical wave forms, 180¡ out of phase, fed into each ear would NOT cancel psychoacoustically, as they do not share the same acoustic environment. If anyone could point me to somewhere on the web that addresses this subject, I'd appreciate it. I've actually tried the experiment, using computer generated tones and it worked, but he would not except my results, as to the sometimes iffy nature of audio amps. Thanks Mark From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 15:08:22 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 14:00:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF4PM-0001e1-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:00:28 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980317195711.0202b690@artist-shop.com> X-Sender: artshop@artist-shop.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:57:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Gary Davis Subject: IRC Chat with David Torn & Tony Levin! Resent-Message-ID: <"_Mza9D.A.8O.u_uD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4403 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:00:28 -0800 X-UIDL: a7ba8a27458a2eb5212b0b23f17ae5c7 In the department of IRC Chats The Artist Shop definitely has some big news! We have another killer chat lined up for Sunday, March 29th at 5pm EST. This is a joint chat with King Crimson & Peter Gabriel bassist Tony Levin and experimental guitarist/loopmaster/sonic mayhem maker David Torn. On the IRC page you'll find details on how to join the chat along with a cover graphic and soundbites from the forthcoming Bruford/Levin Upper Extremities album. This is not an album to miss! In April they will be hitting the road on the east coast to support this album. Here is the latest update on those gigs: Bruford - Levin Upper Extremities Bill Bruford -drums, percussion and a little keyboards Tony Levin -basses and stick Chris Botti -trumpet David Torn -guitars and loops CONFIRMED PERFORMANCE ITINERARY EAST COAST APRIL 1998: April 13 New Haven / Toads Place April 14 Philly / T.L.A. April 15 Washington / Birchmere April 17 Baltimore / Orion (2 shows) April 18 New York / Knitting Factory (2 shows) April 19 Boston (Cambridge)/House of Blues/Live Internet Broadcast Note that April 19 will be part of a live internet broadcast! I don't have information yet on how to access that netcast, but that's certainly a good question for the chat, eh? Also you'll definitely want to ask questions about Tony's participation in the new Magna Carta release, Liquid Tension Experiment with keyboardist Jordan Rudess, guitarist John Petrucci and drummer Mark Portnoy. This has just been released. You'll find it at . This is one album I can't recommend highly enough (Upper Extremities being another) and every post I've seen on it praises it to the skies! Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop@artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 15:08:21 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 13:22:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF3oS-0004bF-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:22:20 -0800 Message-ID: <19980317210256.9158.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Peter Melvois" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: A Newbie's Shock and Surprise Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:02:56 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"pJEq9.A.3FD.jcuD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4402 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:22:20 -0800 X-UIDL: e1c603ca4820c397441f2ea72084dd6b Hello Everyone- I'm new on the list, just signed on, but went back through the archives and read a bunch of old digests. What an amazing place this is. Unique in music on the net. I was surprised as well to see two of my favorite artists David Torn and Joseph Buck (I'm an angeleno) actually contributing to this thing. Or in Buck's case to do a wise ass remark. I remember seeing him do a spoken word gig around 1990 and he had as his "bodyguards" (this was when acts like P.E. had troops on stage with them)a couple of buffed out muscled little people! Or another gig where he gave to the audience those little electronic memo devices to record stuff ansd then he went and played them during the show... I look forward to great info from you guys. Much thanks, Pete ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 18 00:43:40 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 20:19:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yFAJb-0000b0-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:18:55 -0800 From: ENAT21213 Message-ID: <25ab95d7.350f09ac@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:39:22 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: marathon@joshuanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CD project update Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Resent-Message-ID: <"9B8hpC.A.rOH.Xn0D1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4412 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:18:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 5e5e9255bf8228b3e7c7093d611914bd In a message dated 98-03-15 18:32:35 EST, you write: << At the end of this message is the liner notes to the CD. PLEASE check over your listing (word limit is 20-25) and make sure all your information is included. Check the spelling! If you have any questions, please let me know. Matt _______________ Liner Notes and Track Listing: 1: Electric Bird Noise "Japanese Toy Song" Brian Mckenzie: guitar, effects, loop machine Rev.Doc.Scromps: guitar, effects Dr. Rhythm: drums Contact: 5708 Long Leaf Er. Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 >> hello matt it's me again.we missed a couple things on our contact info. we would like our contact info to read, Contact: 5708 Long Leaf Dr. Myrtle Beach,S.C. 29577 Email: ENAT21213@aol.com Phone: (803)449-2149 thanks brian mckenzie From ???@??? Wed Mar 18 00:43:48 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 18 00:23:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF76d-0000Io-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:53:19 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:24:04 -0800 Message-ID: <000A7234.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: phantom ringing To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com, Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"r_OHy.A.AFG.AgxD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4407 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:53:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 7f41b9f923e5982b582409580d75bb2d There's a group up in SF, California called SRL or Survival Research Labs. I forget who the originator is (Mark something or other... Please help me out you SF types) but he's fairly well known in Art School circles. They regularly used to stage "Unique Machine" demonstrations which would consist of robotic and/or audio/visual elements which somehow would challenge the audience in various ways. Such as huge explosions and threatening behaviour of machines or seemingly unstable foundations etc. (These demonstrations or events have been mostly banned in the US. Europe appears to be more lenient with what they will allow.) In a video of theirs they unveil a "Sonic Cannon" which emits a high decibel but very low frequency sound. Interview excerpts then go on to explain the various theoretical physiological responses to this sound as told by expert scientists about, mostly damaging, physical and nervous system responses to this sound. Anyway, they proceeded to show clips of their demonstration of this device. (They are located in the Lower Mission area of SF near a park). I'm not sure if this is similar to the Tesla device, but an interesting thing happened. The video shows shots of mostly adults running away from the sound, but curiously, the majority of children running towards it. I found that very revealing! I have no idea if anyone was actually hurt by the contraption. -Miko PS: I also watch the XF-ers... ---------------------------------------------------------------- One more thing about "phantom ringing" : I read some article years ago about Nicola Tesla and some kind of "sound weapon" which would transmit tones across great distances. Or maybe it was an energy source which gave off some extra noise. In any case, this technology was supposedly never realized and buried. I've always thought that this phantom ringing (which I also..) was from secret government tests of this Tesla technology. But I watch the X-files religiously so... ed chang From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 18:38:27 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 16:55:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF78x-0000d9-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:55:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:45:09 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: Sources for Drum Loops Sender: R & T Cummings To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: <199803171945_MC2-371B-BEA1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"s7TCyC.A.RFH.EoxD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4408 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:55:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 793c82be03136964cdcc6d7c4c7f3ad2 Darcy wrote: >anyone have any recommendations or >suggestions for sources of cool drum/persussion loops ?< Well, I personally think that the DIY stuff is most interesting, e.g. using drum synthesizer software like Stomper along with drum sequencers like Hammerhead or Recycler (some of many). Most of the CD's sound rather generic, not to mention being expensive (is it the quality?). And besides, you can get loads of samples free on the net. Try one of the following: Synth'n'Sample Stuff: http://www.ts.umu.se/~megaodi/sylinks.html Digital Ecstasy: http://www.internexus.net/~mental/de/ The S'n'S Stuff site has loads of links. But the best idea (IMHO) is to loop spare beats from one or more (MIDI-sync'ed) drum machines using shifting patterns etc. Adding your own sounds (i.e. acoustic percussion, etc.) give it an "elastic" edge and generous use of filters, delays etc. make the whole thing fun. DIY is always the coolest ... :-) Rob From ???@??? Wed Mar 18 00:43:46 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 23:03:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF7NW-0002Vh-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:10:46 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980317170038.006ba88c@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> X-Sender: cavaleri@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:00:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: ProjeKt 2 in Ventura Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"wyOLWD.A.BwB.o3xD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4409 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:10:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 40dbdf6b4ab34286403f71b0ae72445c Hey Ryan, I'll be there.. let me know whats up.. joe At 06:16 PM 3/16/98 -0800, you wrote: >hey there.... > >Any loopfolk heading to ProjeKCt 2 in Ventura, CA this wednesday? It would >be nice to meet some of ya!! > >Thanks, >Ryan > >-- > "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition > from mediocre minds." -Albert Einstein > > > > > From ???@??? Wed Mar 18 00:43:33 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 19:01:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF973-00071P-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:01:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199803180252.VAA26157@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Duping/Trading Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:51:36 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7mRvoC.A.3mF.iczD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4410 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:01:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 314f32c5893f6dc55e0e36d1772a4e83 > But I have to say, if SCMS only prevents making a copy of a copy, who the > hell cares? If I can dupe as many copies as I like of my own material, and > can even run off 200 copies of Barry Manilow Pukes In Your Shoes if I wish, > what more does anyone--certainly any pirate--need?? > > David Myers .....perhaps the RIAA cares - they have recently hassled the shit out of a dude who was trading tapes on the net - trading 2 blanks for one with live/boot music on it.... this further advancement of quality (rollin' yer own CDs) will only make 'em flip harder.... they are poised to attack TAPE TRADERS, as crazy as that is , and have already launched efforts to get ISP's to drop users who trade tapes from their "private" sites.. this is of course, all insane, as any one who trades tapes of an artist most likely also has ALL their legal releases, plus goes to many of their performances... anyway - another reason to raise our collective eyebrows at the majors.... andre e From ???@??? Wed Mar 18 00:43:36 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 19:13:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF9II-0000gU-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:13:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199803180307.WAA02587@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Tony Levin! & others on LTE Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:06:06 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hnTJGC.A.kQH.6pzD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4411 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:13:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 89a78f40f3500af4efdcf7682cd15d49 > question for the chat, eh? Also you'll definitely want to ask questions > about Tony's participation in the new Magna Carta release, Liquid Tension > Experiment with keyboardist Jordan Rudess, guitarist John Petrucci and > drummer Mark Portnoy. This has just been released. Been listening more to this release - it's great - my only (small) complaint is a few too many "big metal" wank solos from the very accomplished Petrucci on guitar...otherwise - it swings thru heavy, progressive -metal (just hearing Tony kill on a the speed - metal opening track is worth the price of admission!!!) - Petrucci commands a nice palette of tones - lots of Kansas Leftoverture in these boys' veins.... But - a surprising breadth of material here - pls don't blow it off if you generally dislike Dream Theater (1/2 of this project are from that outfit..) there is some cool African grooving (shades of Tony's recent Widow Jane CD sprinkled througout..) and even quite a dose of funky grooves...it's really a diff. space for the Tone-meister. And Mike Portnoy is simply one of the sickest drummers on earth - incredible chops, yet, at home with a cool afro-cuban ostinato as well. Jordan Rudess on keys completes the fine textures - i saw him open for the steve morse band - in a duo setting with fellow dregs-man rod morgenstein.. Like Gary said, run over to . andre' east From ???@??? Wed Mar 18 00:43:41 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 21:53:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yFBn4-0003Up-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:53:26 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:44:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: CDR870 disc duplication Resent-Message-ID: <"Q-Gw9C.A.aYC.f91D1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4413 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:53:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 4469abccf2c4cb3e335575f1195eefe5 This is driving me nuts, and using up discs. I can copy, copy, copy. But I discovered that I cannot copy ANY disc complete with track numbering, etc.--in other words, it seems that though I get the digital audio in, no other info is being recognized. On the good side, no SCMS; on the other, no complete duplication. That is, I can dupe any CD--but it's all one track! Anybody got a clue here? Have made an initial email contact with Philips, but no response yet. Sorry this is getting so off-topic, but it still seems to be of interest to several folks here.... >>This is very curious. It seems that I've made some assumptions about SCMS >>which are incorrect. As a test, I just did as you said, and put a disc I >>recorded on the CDR870 (my own material, analog input) into my CD deck, >>linked up the digital out and the CDR digital in. Copied fine, as you say. >>Then I did the same with a disc I had made from a commercial music CD (on >>the 870, digital in)--and it STILL copied OK! So I made a copy from a copy >>of a commercial disc, all digitally. When the heck does SCMS kick in, >>anyway? > >Whoa!!! Copied OK from a copy of a commercial CD!?! Could you repeat this >test with another CD? I'd be VERY interested in hearing about your >results! > >SCMS _should_ take effect on the second generation, but it dosn't appear to >be working on your machine. Anyone else have a CDR870? Can you replicate >these results? > >If you get the same results, the CDR870 might just be the cheapest pro >(non-SCMS) digital recorder in the known universe (BONUS!) > >Let me know if you discover anything else! You may have just saved >yourself (and a lot of the rest of us) 200 bones! (Won't tell you what MY >girlfried would assume I was talking about if I told her I wanted to spend >$200 on a scum stripper) > >-Doug Tapia From ???@??? Wed Mar 18 00:43:44 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 22:04:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yFBxG-0004ir-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:03:58 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19980316220715.0b5fb752@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> References: <199803161957.MAA17235@hyper.dimensional.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:56:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Phantom ring modulating Resent-Message-ID: <"2aEZVD.A.FsD.1I2D1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4414 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:03:59 -0800 X-UIDL: fa2ec79d50f8833b0c47a7643f656877 I would say that perhaps ring modulation is more relevant to those primarily interested in "sound" over note-based "music" (apologies, Karlheinz.... Has anyone here heard "Mantra"?). Take "pitch shifting" and "intelligent pitch shifting" (in BOSS gear terms): if the "intelligent" variety (calculates intervals, etc.) is a "step up", then ring modulation is a definite step down--i.e., it's whacked. Perhaps it's a matter of coming to truly appreciate the value of frightening small children.... Anybody here want to consider constructing a ring mod, I may be able to give at least some advice. >Onto ring modulating. This from a review of the Boss ME30 in this month's >The Guitar Magazine.... > >"I have but one niggle. What is the point of that load of arse called ring >modulation that Boss and other makers keep shoving in these units? With >the exception of frightening small children, there doesn't seem to be a >single use for it. Any serious (printable) suggestions would be very >welcome indeed" > >Anyone wanting to give them a serious (printable) suggestion, send it to >The Guitar Magazine on guitar@lhm.co.uk Or, send them to me and I'll >collate them. > >Michael From ???@??? Wed Mar 18 00:43:47 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 23:45:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yFDXe-0000Kc-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:45:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: zoo.e-z.net: Host van-94.e-z.net [206.129.248.221] claimed to be DOUGPIER Message-ID: <350F7A63.4741@e-z.net> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:40:19 -0800 From: doug pieren Reply-To: quail@e-z.net Organization: quail teeth productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fave David Sylvian disc References: <1d571082.350e81ea@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hrknxC.A.S8G.ho3D1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4415 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:45:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 51ab2b2b2f5d154a4b41a3450d7b6169 Texture444 wrote: > > in a message dated 3/16/98 2:51:59 AM, doug pieren wrote: > > >His work with Japan (which included Steve Jansen and Richard Barbieri) > >is also wonderful > > i'm sure that you inadvertently left Mick Karn's name outta that 'Japan'-list, > right? Yes, Mr. T. Purely accidental. Mea Culpa. I deserve severe punishment! From ???@??? Tue Mar 17 15:08:26 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 17 15:05:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yF5Q4-000283-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:05:16 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980318000548.0a6fede2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:05:48 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: IRC Chat with David Torn & Tony Levin! In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980317195711.0202b690@artist-shop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"UQt1qB.A.xV.t5vD1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4404 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:05:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 16e9ea8714ff2ce9df60d627a30f7207 >graphic and soundbites from the forthcoming Bruford/Levin Upper Extremities >album. This is not an album to miss! In April they will be hitting the >road on the east coast to support this album. Touring the East coast - typical! That'll be Edinburgh, Dundee, Aberdeen then. Once again, the West Coast (and Glasgow in particular) loses out to its lowland rivals. Errr... you _were_ talking about the East Coast of Scotland, weren't you? Only, you didn't say.... But enough. On to the great guitar tone debate! Things have been busybusy these last few months and I've barely touched a guitar since Xmas (gasp!); so yesterday I forced myself to rewire, reassemble and restring Guitar #2, the Squier strung in 5ths (8-70 gauge!). Without an amp to hand, the only quick fix for trying out the success of the rewiring was to plug it into the nearest headphone amp - ie my JAMMAN. With a $100 Squier Bullet (with big chipboard cracks) going direct into the JM, direct to headphones, I can honestly say I've never played such a haunting loop. Whether it was just the act of getting back onto guitar after so long or what I don't know, but what I will say is this; I'm a great believer in Tone (I Know What I Like etc) and direct cruddy guitar isn't normally it. But in this setting it just .... worked. I think the loop just fitted to the tone rather than vice versa. Damn, but I wish I had a tape handy at the time... Michael From ???@??? Wed Mar 18 09:47:39 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 18 07:30:31 1998 Received: from falcon [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yFKnO-0000vg-00; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:30:23 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFKnK-00015K-00; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:30:18 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yFKn1-0000tS-00; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:29:59 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:14:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re:phantom ringing Resent-Message-ID: <"sF7ooB.A.6pG.zS-D1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4416 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:29:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 75a4fb204c4c3e0812be115a507a767b One of Tesla's big concerns was the possibility of transmitting power without wires. J.P. Morgan began financing the gear to do this (a tower was built on Long Island, with which T. expected to send AC to Europe), but someone asked JP what free power would do for him, and that was the end of that.... Tesla knew a lot about resonance, and stated that, given enough juice, he could crack the planet itself open like an orange--ouch. He created an earthquake in Chinatown here (NYC) with these principles. This guy was really out there; have always loved him. Fascinating read: "Tesla: Man Out of Time" by Margaret Cheney (Laurel/Dell, 1981). > One more thing about "phantom ringing" : > > I read some article years ago about Nicola Tesla and some kind of "sound > weapon" which would transmit tones across great distances. Or maybe it > was an energy source which gave off some extra noise. In any case, this > technology was supposedly never realized and buried. I've always thought > that this phantom ringing (which I also..) was from secret government > tests of this Tesla technology. But I watch the X-files religiously > so... > > ed chang From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 00:11:18 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 18 10:48:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yFNt8-0007gm-00; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:48:30 -0800 Message-ID: <35101357.63A2@LightlyExpressed.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:32:55 -0500 From: "Michael E. Weber" Reply-To: Mike@lightlyexpressed.com Organization: Lightly Expressed Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ringing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5DUK8.A.zFF.iNBE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4417 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:48:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 699d2fc668fc2f99320248b10c39d402 some say the "universe" is folded. some say our experience of the world is holographic. some say the "universe" is a complex wave. some say sound is a fundamental component of "god" (the other being light) some believe the inner sound is the "voice" of "god" (some people hate the capricious use of quotes) as for inner sounds (wind, violins, a flute...) i, like so many other on this list (it seems), have always had sound available at whim. it's always there. (even after the hard drive spins down). i like it. mike loopydood@aol.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 00:11:19 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 18 10:53:29 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yFNxq-0000ch-00; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:53:22 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFNxW-0001wC-00; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:53:02 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0yFNwx-0000U7-00; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:52:27 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980318123611.0068f2d0@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:36:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Issues on Wireless Sound In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1mPN1D.A._eF.KQBE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4418 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:52:27 -0800 X-UIDL: f03d7ee143fb22688e017733c5f6404d At 10:14 AM 18-03-98 -0500, you wrote: >One of Tesla's big concerns was the possibility of transmitting power >without wires. J.P. Morgan began financing the gear to do this (a tower >was built on Long Island, with which T. expected to send AC to Europe), but >someone asked JP what free power would do for him, and that was the end of >that.... This issue with regard to sound is an ongoing intrigue. Motorola is putting up 60 LEOs or so to have wireless phone communication around the world. Wireless mikes, guitars are some solved issues. However computers, tvs are still largely is some sense run by wire. The ineffectiveness of this can be evinced in Austin where phone companies trying to control the next generation of lines downtown are continually ripping up our streets to take out, put in new wire. It is happening now, and with Austin's technology bids, I see no stop. ISDN, fiber optic cable, phone line. To me lines seem inefficient, think about the set up time you have for your rigs. Some day with intelligent machines it may be a pointless arguement, but until the need is really seen, no supervening social necessity... I can't see my dubbing deck having peace accords with my cd players any time soon. I had some questions for a U.T. professor recently as to why we did not go completely wireless, he stated that the reception of wireless was fine, but that the transmission was very inefficient. I did not get to follow this up, but I have a feeling it relates to mainly mass media... Any thoughts with regards to wireless out there? Would a wireless world pose possible problems? From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 00:11:32 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 18 15:57:22 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFShr-0005J4-00; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:57:11 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFShd-0000gs-00; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:56:57 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFShJ-0005Dw-00; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:56:37 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:41:04 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, stickwire-l@netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: NJ Gig Content-type: text/plain X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"2ZAlHB.A.vFD.7vFE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4420 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:56:38 -0800 X-UIDL: d457825eb0dad40ae1f836bf1a3d8225 "Adelante" will be appearing in a dual billing with the acoustic duo "Dogs Without Bones" at the Down to Earth Coffeehouse on High St., Mt. Holly, New Jersey (info: 609-265-9135) this Saturday (March 21) starting at 8:00pm.($5.00 cover applies). "DWB" (Lori Benton - vocals and Mark Ricci - guitar) have cultivated a unique sound in which the woefullness of blues, soulfulness of gospel, and complexity of jazz are all evident. The diversity of Mark's guitar playing is perfectly suited to the blending of singing styles that Lori's vocals draws upon. "Adelante"'s (J.Janetta-percussion, M. Robbins- Violin/Viola, P. Mimlitsch-Stick¨/Loops) inspiration is of the moment and aims to take the listener on a sonic journey through many landscapes. Adelante info can be had at <>. Thanks - Paul From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 09:59:10 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 09:17:49 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFiwn-0006KG-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:17:41 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFiwk-0000WG-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:17:38 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFiwL-0006Gp-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:17:13 -0800 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:08:38 -0600 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Issues on Wireless Sound To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <35109A46.FB9@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3.0.1.32.19980318123611.0068f2d0@mail.utexas.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"ch6wBB.A.V9E.2EVE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4436 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:17:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 60bfcc3672779e83613aa444a9462a52 matthew hahn wrote, in part: > Any thoughts > with regards to wireless out there? Would a wireless world pose possible > problems? The latest Scientific American (maybe not yet on the stands) has a special section devoted to the problems of implementation. There's only cursory, tangential mention of the possible effect on our brains... John Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/) From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 09:13:29 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 05:15:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFfAM-0007Ab-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:15:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3510E276.5945@pop.interport.net> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:16:41 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Phantom ringing References: <350CEFE0.514@nyfac.com> <3.0.1.16.19980319125657.2f5f4bf2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CtcW2B.A.BhG.jnRE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4427 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:15:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 6b2709fed3cb4e33a8c2d74d8241eda1 Hi. I'm a hypnotist and new looper. I just ordered my first echopolex and have been experimenting with hypnosis and sound for some time. now I'm going to get serious and would like to compose and perform live musical hypnosis. Does anyone have any ideas, suggestions or links?. From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 09:13:40 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 06:55:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFgjZ-0006qu-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:55:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3510E2D0.45B7@pop.interport.net> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:18:12 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Phantom ringing References: <350CEFE0.514@nyfac.com> <3.0.1.16.19980319125657.2f5f4bf2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZXrtpD.A.dIG.MFTE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4430 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:55:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 2e24f59f0716213aa939512797996ed2 thanks to kim for all the info . there's one more new looper on the planet thanks to you. you made it all so accesible and do-able. thanks for demystifing all so much. From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 09:13:30 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 05:28:29 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFfMy-0000Wj-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:28:28 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFfMv-00019r-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:28:25 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFfMr-0000W5-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:28:21 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980319082148.007c0100@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:21:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: you might want to check the date setting on your computer In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19970822195329.007bee20@pop3.concentric.net> References: <01BD5051.4D284620.lahatch@dnai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WZuK2.A.pL.MzRE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4428 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:28:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 834d4a317a30f0f600c5b47729607bfa At 07:53 PM 8/22/97 -0700, you wrote: <- notice the date from your msg > Thanks Laurie, great reply, very interesting and thought provoking as >usual. If you get the transcripts, please let me know as I'd be interested >in getting a copy myself to look over again. talk with ya soon... (-: > >smiles, > >Corynne > > **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 09:13:36 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 06:36:45 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFgQz-0005Ct-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:36:41 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFgQw-0002e8-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:36:38 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFgQp-0005BV-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:36:31 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980319093543.006f32e8@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:35:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, matthias@mail.bahianet.com.br From: Len Seligman Subject: What I'd love from a next-generation looper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"4zTkdC.A.KjE.AzSE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4429 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:36:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 1b6210c4c72ec4a2a61f346f3372b85c I love my Echoplex and use it extensively as a compositional tool. I also use it for live performance, for mostly improvised music. Of course, there are some things that you just can't get from a looper that you get playing with other living breathing musicians. It may be technically impossibile to get them from a looping rig, but I'd be interested to hear from the experts. Also, I'd be interested to hear how other musicians deal with these limitations of currently available gear for looping: 1) I hate volume pedals as a mechanism for controlling feedback and/or output level. This is because I feel better (and therefore play better) if I am free to move. Standing and using a volume pedal puts me off balance. (True, this is not strictly a looping problem, but it is much more important when your "backup band" is a loop as opposed to good, responsive musicians who know how to use dynamics.) Are there any alternatives to volume pedals, either currently available or that anyone can envision? Here's a thought (probably crazy, but at least I could control it and still have good balance): what about a series of footswitches that would allow you with one press to select a given volume? Maybe 7 or 8 switches all in a row and with a single press you select a new volume. Also, it would be great to have the option to either make the change immediate or to have it take place over time (e.g., a Crescendo/Decrescendo mode parameter with possible values immediate, short, long?). Heck, can I do something like this now with a midi pedal? 2) I'd love to be able to change the tempo of my loop without changing pitch. This is something that is a staple of music from many cultures (e.g., Indian classical music, much African music): get a groove going and gradually speed it up, building the intensity. You can do it with live musicians, but I don't know how to do it with a looped material. Any thoughts on how to achieve this? Or is this a technical impossibility? I look forward to hearing your ideas. Thanks, Len From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 09:13:43 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 07:12:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFgzM-0000R6-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:12:12 -0800 Reply-To: "Stefano Voulaz" From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: Subject: R: What I'd love from a next-generation looper Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:10:49 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd5349$33951c10$6902a8c0@voulaz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ozIaMC.A.mE.PUTE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4431 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:12:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 2a255e054df1f0a6724469335df62465 Hy boyz (and girls, o'course!)... There are many things I'd like to see in a next generation looper...BTW, here are some thoughts about what Len mentioned. 1) Volume/Pedals/Switches/Fade. Right, volume pedals are not always the best thing, especially when playing in a band. It would be rather simple, though, to build a (hardware) programmable pedalboard with switches and preregulated volumes. I would be able to do so, as many other hardware-oriented guys. So you may ask to a friend that knows about soldering and DIY. No problem. Fading would be, IMHO, quite simple too (using capacitors and few electronics), BUT there is a problem, specifically with the EDP. (Kim, please correct if wrong). The input for the pedal has a *bad* response to low levels, because there is a base level under which every value (read: position of the pedal) is read as none (completely off). Given that this is a design issue (a reasonable choice, indeed), there is NO way to do a smooth fade in/out using the pedal. You'll always get steps at start/end (when the gate in opened/closed there is actually an audible step in the levels). Here's why I'd like a lot a fade in/out *software* feature on the EDP! (LoopIII 5.1? eh eh eh...) 2) Changing tempo. This (technically called *time stretching*) is a feasible thing, but it requires a lot (really a lot) of computing power, in order to be made in real time. The processor of the EDP simply cannot stand such algorythms. That's a really interesting thing, but you'll find it on much more expensive devices (or on personal computers: I've just seen ACID from Sonic Foundry at the Musikmesse...). Hope this helps... Ciao! The Looping Uncle 8^)# From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 09:13:45 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 07:22:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFh8k-0001R6-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:21:54 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:16:03 -0500 From: Roger Morrison To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The anti-loop, I guess Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"bTw-W.A.v1.TcTE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4432 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:21:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 40b44c475621299a5b545a5f8a021953 Warning: anti-loop content of interest to loopers There is an album out of Eno's "Music for Airports" played by live musicians in real time (no loops). The sick individuals at Bang on a Can have transcribed the music and then played it on piano, bass, cello, percussion, guitar, clarinet, brass, flute, pipa, and voices. Apparently there was also a performance of this here in NYC (I missed it). The album is put out by Point Music (part of Polygram). It is, incidentally, beautiful (and beautifully recorded). From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 09:13:46 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 07:26:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFhD6-00020d-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:26:24 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980319101811.0071633c@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:18:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: Re: What I'd love from a next-generation looper In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980319093543.006f32e8@dharma.mitre.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Qa9rfD.A.gIB.seTE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4433 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:26:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 2e390417acce91643eb9dc88d9123910 >Are there any alternatives to >volume pedals, either currently available or that anyone can envision? > Here's another thought on the next-generation volume pedal/switch: a two button footswitch with a series of LEDs to show your current volume setting. A short press on the right brings your volume up one notch, a long press slowly grows your volume until you release it (or max out). Short and long presses on the left button similarly reduce your volume. The good news: you can stand up, get good control over your volume, and keep your balance. The down side is you can't use it for volume swell kinds of effects. But I'd still prefer it to the current crop of volume pedals. Anybody know of such a footpedal? Would anyone else be interested in it? Anybody willing to build it for me? -Len From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 09:13:54 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 08:27:25 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFiA4-0000Lu-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:27:20 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFiA2-0006Jt-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:27:18 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFi9w-0000Kz-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:27:12 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980319103856.00711838@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:38:56 -0500 To: "Stefano Voulaz" From: Len Seligman Subject: Re: R: What I'd love from a next-generation looper Cc: In-Reply-To: <01bd5349$33951c10$6902a8c0@voulaz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"UTzbNB.A.3xG.1WUE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4434 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:27:12 -0800 X-UIDL: a522046377afef1fe0311a5ee6a28c71 Thanks for the comments, Looping Uncle! >Here's why I'd like a lot a fade in/out *software* feature on the EDP! >(LoopIII 5.1? eh eh eh...) Yes! Yes! That would be great. >2) Changing tempo. This (technically called *time stretching*) is a feasible >thing, but it requires a lot (really a lot) of computing power, in order to >be made in real time. The processor of the EDP simply cannot stand such >algorythms. That's a really interesting thing, but you'll find it on much >more expensive devices (or on personal computers: I've just seen ACID from >Sonic Foundry at the Musikmesse...). Could you tell us more about what processors do time stretching? Are any of them usable in a real-time, live performance setting? How many billions of dollars (or lira) are we talking about? Thanks, Len From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 09:14:04 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 08:44:34 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFiQg-0002R7-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:44:30 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFiQc-00072b-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:44:26 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFiQV-0002Pn-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:44:19 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980319083721.006bdd9c@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> X-Sender: cavaleri@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:37:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: What I'd love from a next-generation looper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"uRciX.A.OTB.5lUE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4435 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:44:20 -0800 X-UIDL: fbe7858ca2ccef869c09ddb471bc3342 Hi Len, For problem #1. you might want to investigate the Dimention Beam. It's a infrared controller -- hope other loopers can fill in the details.. Problem #2. I believe that there are several units on the market that are able to achieve this effect. ie. Eventide Harmonizer ect. Unfortunately I have the opposite problem. I want a unit that will enable me to change both the speed/pitch of my loops. joe At 09:35 AM 3/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >I love my Echoplex and use it extensively as a compositional tool. I also >use it for live performance, for mostly improvised music. Of course, there >are some things that you just can't get from a looper that you get playing >with other living breathing musicians. It may be technically impossibile to >get them from a looping rig, but I'd be interested to hear from the >experts. Also, I'd be interested to hear how other musicians deal with >these limitations of currently available gear for looping: > >1) I hate volume pedals as a mechanism for controlling feedback and/or >output level. This is because I feel better (and therefore play better) if >I am free to move. Standing and using a volume pedal puts me off balance. >(True, this is not strictly a looping problem, but it is much more >important when your "backup band" is a loop as opposed to good, responsive >musicians who know how to use dynamics.) Are there any alternatives to >volume pedals, either currently available or that anyone can envision? > >Here's a thought (probably crazy, but at least I could control it and still >have good balance): what about a series of footswitches that would allow >you with one press to select a given volume? Maybe 7 or 8 switches all in a >row and with a single press you select a new volume. Also, it would be >great to have the option to either make the change immediate or to have it >take place over time (e.g., a Crescendo/Decrescendo mode parameter with >possible values immediate, short, long?). Heck, can I do something like >this now with a midi pedal? > >2) I'd love to be able to change the tempo of my loop without changing >pitch. This is something that is a staple of music from many cultures >(e.g., Indian classical music, much African music): get a groove going and >gradually speed it up, building the intensity. You can do it with live >musicians, but I don't know how to do it with a looped material. Any >thoughts on how to achieve this? Or is this a technical impossibility? > >I look forward to hearing your ideas. > >Thanks, >Len > > > From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:50:41 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 10:43:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFkHP-0001B1-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:43:03 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980319092323.006b9020@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> X-Sender: cavaleri@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:23:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: Issues on Wireless Sound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Jgo4QD.A.MJ._UWE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4441 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:43:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 065732f5e9ce2cb9970e3e67b85f192c Hi all.. For some interesting possibilities on some potential effects of misc. on the human body you might want to check out http://www.trufax.org/, another interesting site is the H.A.A.R.P. project. joe At 10:08 PM 3/18/98 -0600, you wrote: >matthew hahn wrote, in part: > >> Any thoughts >> with regards to wireless out there? Would a wireless world pose possible >> problems? > >The latest Scientific American (maybe not yet on the stands) has a >special section devoted to the problems of implementation. There's only >cursory, tangential mention of the possible effect on our brains... > >John >Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/) > > > From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 09:59:14 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 09:53:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFjV7-0002u4-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:53:09 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD531B.29072B40.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: What I'd love from a next-generation looper Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:40:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RLDU9D.A.liB.dkVE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4438 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:53:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 697290c0f217074a612b549a11e7ad45 >From: Joe Cavaleri [SMTP:cavaleri@simi-valley.ate.slb.com] >Sent: Thursday, March 19, 1998 8:37 AM > > Hi Len, > > For problem #1. you might want to investigate the Dimention Beam. > It's a infrared controller -- hope other loopers can fill in the > details.. [snip...] URL for Dimension Beam. Thanks to Paolo V., who posted this a while back: http://www.interactivelight.com/db/ laurie From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 09:41:03 1998 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, matthias@mail.bahianet.com.br From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: What I'd love from a next-generation looper Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980319093543.006f32e8@dharma.mitre.org> At 9:35 AM -0500 3/19/98, Len Seligman wrote: >1) I hate volume pedals as a mechanism for controlling feedback and/or >output level. This is because I feel better (and therefore play better) if >I am free to move. Standing and using a volume pedal puts me off balance. >(True, this is not strictly a looping problem, but it is much more >important when your "backup band" is a loop as opposed to good, responsive >musicians who know how to use dynamics.) Are there any alternatives to >volume pedals, either currently available or that anyone can envision? the feedback jack in the echoplex is controlled by a simple variable resistor between the tip and sleeve. It doesn't have to be a volume pedal. Matthias uses a fader (like in a mixer) and likes that very much. You could easily build something to suit your needs with an ordinary potentiometer. If you want to be able to move around, you could just have a potentiometer on whatever your instrument is and a cable going from it to the echoplex. >Here's a thought (probably crazy, but at least I could control it and still >have good balance): what about a series of footswitches that would allow >you with one press to select a given volume? Maybe 7 or 8 switches all in a >row and with a single press you select a new volume. this would be very simple to make for the echoplex with a few switches and resistors. > Also, it would be >great to have the option to either make the change immediate or to have it >take place over time (e.g., a Crescendo/Decrescendo mode parameter with >possible values immediate, short, long?). Heck, can I do something like >this now with a midi pedal? Are you wanting to control volume or feedback? the two are not quite the same. It sounds like you are talking about volume control here. You could do that with midi. >2) I'd love to be able to change the tempo of my loop without changing >pitch. This is something that is a staple of music from many cultures >(e.g., Indian classical music, much African music): get a groove going and >gradually speed it up, building the intensity. You can do it with live >musicians, but I don't know how to do it with a looped material. Any >thoughts on how to achieve this? Or is this a technical impossibility? as Stefano said, this takes much more processing power than the echoplex has. There are a number of sampler products that have this function, but they don't have any of the other looping functions like the echoplex has. kim From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:50:34 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 10:11:19 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFjma-0005Ak-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:11:12 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFjmW-0002ue-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:11:08 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFjm8-00056r-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:10:44 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980319093543.006f32e8@dharma.mitre.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:41:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, matthias@mail.bahianet.com.br From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: What I'd love from a next-generation looper Resent-Message-ID: <"fVaO0.A.ofD.K0VE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4439 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:10:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 13617cd5e4441df711b22016b33a56c0 At 9:35 AM -0500 3/19/98, Len Seligman wrote: >1) I hate volume pedals as a mechanism for controlling feedback and/or >output level. This is because I feel better (and therefore play better) if >I am free to move. Standing and using a volume pedal puts me off balance. >(True, this is not strictly a looping problem, but it is much more >important when your "backup band" is a loop as opposed to good, responsive >musicians who know how to use dynamics.) Are there any alternatives to >volume pedals, either currently available or that anyone can envision? the feedback jack in the echoplex is controlled by a simple variable resistor between the tip and sleeve. It doesn't have to be a volume pedal. Matthias uses a fader (like in a mixer) and likes that very much. You could easily build something to suit your needs with an ordinary potentiometer. If you want to be able to move around, you could just have a potentiometer on whatever your instrument is and a cable going from it to the echoplex. >Here's a thought (probably crazy, but at least I could control it and still >have good balance): what about a series of footswitches that would allow >you with one press to select a given volume? Maybe 7 or 8 switches all in a >row and with a single press you select a new volume. this would be very simple to make for the echoplex with a few switches and resistors. > Also, it would be >great to have the option to either make the change immediate or to have it >take place over time (e.g., a Crescendo/Decrescendo mode parameter with >possible values immediate, short, long?). Heck, can I do something like >this now with a midi pedal? Are you wanting to control volume or feedback? the two are not quite the same. It sounds like you are talking about volume control here. You could do that with midi. >2) I'd love to be able to change the tempo of my loop without changing >pitch. This is something that is a staple of music from many cultures >(e.g., Indian classical music, much African music): get a groove going and >gradually speed it up, building the intensity. You can do it with live >musicians, but I don't know how to do it with a looped material. Any >thoughts on how to achieve this? Or is this a technical impossibility? as Stefano said, this takes much more processing power than the echoplex has. There are a number of sampler products that have this function, but they don't have any of the other looping functions like the echoplex has. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:50:45 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 12:21:58 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFjUh-0002qi-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:52:43 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFjUW-0001yt-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:52:33 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFjUD-0002ml-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:52:13 -0800 Reply-To: "Stefano Voulaz" From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: Subject: R: R: What I'd love from a next-generation looper Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:43:46 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd535e$91024c00$6902a8c0@voulaz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"uhyZoD.A.zaB.hjVE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4437 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:52:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 855c67a2c2dfd1f2adc6800455bcdf1d >Could you tell us more about what processors do time stretching? Are any of >them usable in a real-time, live performance setting? How many billions of >dollars (or lira) are we talking about? Actually, I'm not precisely aware of such devices. I *think* that TC Electronix and Lexicon high-end devices ($3000-4000 up) would do that. But I never even lurked at them... :( Anyone has detailed info on this topic? Bye The Looping Uncle 8^)# From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 09:45:33 1998 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: R: What I'd love from a next-generation looper Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bd5349$33951c10$6902a8c0@voulaz> At 4:10 PM +0100 3/19/98, Stefano Voulaz wrote: > BUT there is a problem, specifically with the EDP. (Kim, >please correct if wrong). The input for the pedal has a *bad* response to >low levels, because there is a base level under which every value (read: >position of the pedal) is read as none (completely off). Given that this is >a design issue (a reasonable choice, indeed), there is NO way to do a smooth >fade in/out using the pedal. You'll always get steps at start/end (when the >gate in opened/closed there is actually an audible step in the levels). in the new software (LoopIIIv5.0) we changed the setting of this gate, so it is much lower and much less noticeable than before. you should have an easier time doing fade in/out now. kim From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:50:35 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 10:11:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFjmV-00059v-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:11:07 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bd5349$33951c10$6902a8c0@voulaz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:45:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: R: What I'd love from a next-generation looper Resent-Message-ID: <"CHu4FD.A.YgD.R0VE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4440 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:11:07 -0800 X-UIDL: dfb8238c8b2c5a1011483a419857c7ce At 4:10 PM +0100 3/19/98, Stefano Voulaz wrote: > BUT there is a problem, specifically with the EDP. (Kim, >please correct if wrong). The input for the pedal has a *bad* response to >low levels, because there is a base level under which every value (read: >position of the pedal) is read as none (completely off). Given that this is >a design issue (a reasonable choice, indeed), there is NO way to do a smooth >fade in/out using the pedal. You'll always get steps at start/end (when the >gate in opened/closed there is actually an audible step in the levels). in the new software (LoopIIIv5.0) we changed the setting of this gate, so it is much lower and much less noticeable than before. you should have an easier time doing fade in/out now. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:50:46 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 12:42:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFm8j-0007Of-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:42:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:58:55 -0800 Message-ID: <000A87F4.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: What I'd love from a next-generation looper To: , bsellon@lexicon.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"cpBiQ.A.IxF.ADYE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4444 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:42:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 7f91359ed40ff3d73a6f76f2cbb63f35 >(talk about volume control and time stretching....) I'd really like MODULATION. Square wave, triangle wave and sine wave, Possibly a random number generator for unpredictable movements of these various waves. Also cc controlable coarse and fine tuning for them of up to at least an octave... Hell, let's have two octaves while we're making a wishlist. Envelope control assignable to various values in the algorythm so I won't have to step on so many peds at once. Lexicon does this a lot with their units. Also a fully implemented Pitch Transposer would be a nice feature as well. With a feedback loop (cc controlable) around it (possibly with moveable beggining and end locations for just those portions of the algorythm we'd like to experiment with) for those cartwheeling cascading monstrosities we all need so badly. I'll take that time stretching with a helping of cc control over faster/slower values. (Are we in the megabucks yet?) Is this all starting to sound like a TC 2290 / EDP combo? Editable fx order for more variety. Storable configs. (Is this too much of a multi fx box yet?... If so remove the Pitch Transposer, but keep the modulation.) If not true stereo dual algorythm paths, how about faux stereo at the output with a few selectable parameters. That way I don't have to buy a Vortex or whatever to dedicate it to making the output cruise around the stereo image. Even just simple panning would be helpful. Heading into BobLexLand... Bob Sellon's JamMan / MuttMax mods are very interesting. Bob has added several new mods to the JamMan... Recordable "Channels" which play simultaneously with their own volume and pan parameters as well as editable number of repeat values to infinity. (This allows for a main recirculating loop bed, with the ability to trigger defined repetitions of other motifs for plot / loop development.) CC control over the panning of these various channels to get things moving around. (Am I correct in this cc matter, Bob?) He then goes on to the next loop and adds the *same capability* for yet another layered, complex compositionally rich event. With hardware capability for vast extended memory this could be implemented in a truly deep fashion. As it is with the JamMan, the 32 seconds divides down rather quickly. Please, Lexicon... let us have more expandability for memory. I've yet to try this mod, but am eagerly hoping to become a pawn in Bob's world loop takeover plan. All the best, -Miko From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:50:59 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 14:21:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFnh3-0003Wc-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:21:45 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980319110531.006c0a4c@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> X-Sender: cavaleri@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:05:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: Issues on Wireless Sound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"atm7WC.A.rGC.LgZE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4448 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:21:45 -0800 X-UIDL: ff2bad44601613f618055a87f1acbb51 Hi all.. For some interesting possibilities on some potential effects of misc. on the human body you might want to check out http://www.trufax.org another interesting site is the H.A.A.R.P. project. joe At 10:08 PM 3/18/98 -0600, you wrote: >matthew hahn wrote, in part: > >> Any thoughts >> with regards to wireless out there? Would a wireless world pose possible >> problems? > >The latest Scientific American (maybe not yet on the stands) has a >special section devoted to the problems of implementation. There's only >cursory, tangential mention of the possible effect on our brains... > >John >Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/) > > > From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:50:42 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 11:29:05 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFkzp-0006Rn-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:28:57 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFkzk-0006Cz-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:28:52 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFkzZ-0006Ph-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:28:41 -0800 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:16:42 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: B.L.U.E. in Baltimore - Tickets almost gone Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"OrI8WD.A.2zE.o9WE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4442 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:28:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 6af8df7a250e2b52f57e20ba3cf2fe4b There are now less than 20 tickets left for each Bruford Levin Upper Extremities show on 4/17 at Orion Studios in Baltimore. If you want to go and have not yet purchased tickets, there's no time like the present. You can pick up tickets at: Of Sound Mind in Savage Mill 8600 Foundry Street Savage MD 21044 (301)497-6488 Hours: Wed 12-6/Thu-Sat 12-8 -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.ari.net/prog/bands/dap/ From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:50:53 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 13:52:16 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFnEU-0007hX-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:52:14 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFlJm-00077X-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:49:34 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFlJf-0001Ad-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:49:27 -0800 Message-ID: <351175AD.5ED0@efn.org> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:44:45 -0800 From: Peter Harlan Reply-To: pharlan@efn.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: pharlan@efn.org Subject: Echoplex prices References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"048Vd.A.R.USXE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4443 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:49:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 5a0a115fad5aa5fc36e559e2b0c8ec2f Hello, Is anyone aware of any stores running especially good deals on new Echoplexes? I'm looking to buy one in the very near future. By the way, I read some archived info after recently joining this list, and I came across references to an overheating problem these things have, causing erratic behavior if more than so much RAM is installed. Has this been addressed by Oberheim yet? Thanks, Peter pharlan@efn.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:51:19 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 20:08:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFt6e-0003KA-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:08:32 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980319140453.007df100@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:04:53 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: EDP Feedback Jack WAS: What I'd love from a next-generation looper In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.2.32.19980319093543.006f32e8@dharma.mitre.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"e42KqD.A.olC.kqeE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4456 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:08:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 3b6123ecfcb035e5b24bb81e25821bdd >the feedback jack in the echoplex is controlled by a simple variable >resistor between the tip and sleeve. Is this an audio signal or control voltage? -Chuck Zwicky From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:50:49 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 13:00:10 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFmQ0-0001o6-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:00:04 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFmPv-0002ED-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:59:59 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFmPo-0001mT-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:59:52 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980319204300.00e4197c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:43:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex prices Resent-Message-ID: <"oZik6D.A.Lr.BVYE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4445 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:59:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 98a8c607c59ebabb5e77ccc907b62f80 At 11:44 AM 3/19/98 -0800, Peter Harlan wrote: >Hello, > >Is anyone aware of any stores running especially good deals >on new Echoplexes? I'm looking to buy one in the very near >future. try bananas at large.... >By the way, I read some archived info after recently joining >this list, and I came across references to an overheating >problem these things have, causing erratic behavior if more >than so much RAM is installed. Has this been addressed by >Oberheim yet? that problem had nothing whatsoever to do with the amount of ram installed. Somebody posted that on Harmony Central a long time ago and it's never been corrected. (and therefore I've had to answer the question thousands of times :-( The thermal problem that occured in older oberheim echoplexes was fixed about two years ago, and is not a problem now. For anyone who has an older unit, fixing the problem is very easy and is explained in the echoplex faq on the Looper's Delight site. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 09:13:15 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 03:17:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFdKR-00016N-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 03:17:43 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980319125657.2f5f4bf2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:56:57 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Phantom ringing In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19970822200722.007a76d0@pop3.concentric.net> References: <350CEFE0.514@nyfac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FoO0FB.A.2z.A5PE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4426 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 03:17:43 -0800 X-UIDL: c391af78246ffd9922a6d3e5694df628 Corynne: >Yes Kim, this happens to me as well. It's usually above 440 htz or, I >should say mostly always. I don't know that it happens as frequently with >me though. Hot damn! Maybe we could work at contolling this effect, getting it on demand... I don't know about you guys, but being able to generate a 440Hz reference for tuning _in_my_head_ would make life so much easier! Michael From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:51:01 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 14:47:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFo5r-0006fM-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:47:23 -0800 Message-ID: <35118F32.E5920E77@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:33:38 +0100 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: What I'd love from a next-generation looper References: <000A87F4.----@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nno72B.A.xxE.61ZE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4450 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:47:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 542f040d68d42b43f90b2e3ad34e6131 Salut I would like you to try this brilliant windows Granular synth called Granulab Ry Rassmus Ekman at http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Granny.htm load your favorite wav loop, tweak a little and imagine what this could bring to an EDP II...if Rassmus (I love this name) and the Aurisis team could join. we could torture our audiences HEk Hek Hek...and be the masters of the universe (I'm the first in line) And even better Granny is ... Free Bonne nuit Claude From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:50:54 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 13:55:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFnHm-0000KW-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:55:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199803192130.NAA04054@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Loop List" Subject: EH 16 delay Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:46:47 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JAggFC.A.BbG.nHZE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4446 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:55:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 6f414f09bdda08e29619ec69f7a33e6b A while back someone rumored that New Sensor was considering reissuing the EH 16 delay. Here's the latest (non-informative) update. Matt ---------- > From: Kevin Bones > To: mattm@HPG40.inside.bi-tech.com > Subject: Re: eh 16 second delay > Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 9:05 AM > > Matt, > > No release date as of yet. Maybe 6 months to a year. > > Kevin Bolembach > New Sensor Corporation From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:50:56 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 14:12:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFnY8-0002Ok-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:12:33 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01bd5382$35371c60$4a3fdacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: EH 16 delay Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:58:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"G1Yq4.A.c7.pWZE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4447 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:12:33 -0800 X-UIDL: bf8b1c7cec22a4334906d6b46ce3c8c6 At first I thought of the idea of Gregory Peck pointing at a surfacing EH16 and shouting some Melvillian curse, as it was bought up by someone else... GP: Oh, never mind. Crew: [slouches back in relief] QQ: Back to the TimeMachine Captain? GP: Arrgh! QQ: I believe that's "arrrr", cap'n... GP: Over the side with ye! Sorry, couldn't resist. :) Matt McCabe >A while back someone rumored that New Sensor was considering reissuing the >EH 16 delay. Here's the latest (non-informative) update. > >Matt > >---------- >> From: Kevin Bones >> To: mattm@HPG40.inside.bi-tech.com >> Subject: Re: eh 16 second delay >> Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 9:05 AM >> >> Matt, >> >> No release date as of yet. Maybe 6 months to a year. >> >> Kevin Bolembach >> New Sensor Corporation > > > From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:51:05 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 15:27:48 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFoiq-0003e9-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:27:40 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFoim-0000ml-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:27:36 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFoiZ-0003c2-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:27:23 -0800 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:18:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803192218.RAA24878@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: New Frisell: was ECM (was Frisell/torn) Resent-Message-ID: <"pmcul.A.b-B.FcaE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4451 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:27:23 -0800 X-UIDL: dea8cf8b2b1df8385464809a5dd1d54c At 06:03 PM 3/10/98 EST, you wrote: >i just got the johnson cd with pm and frisell. it is nice but not as cool as >bass desires or the scofield cd with frisell. the sco/pm cd i didn't like at >all. =-) PJ > > > the new disc "gone, just like a train" arrived at the library (love the St. Louis City public library--incredible music selexn.) 5 frigging stars, brothers and sisters Viktor Krauss is amazing and Jim Keltner is . . . Jim Keltner personal fave along with far side disc, the cut on te John Zorn east Asian bar music disc with Fred Frith and the first Baker/Haden collaboration Frisell and Torn . . . the mind reels drone on~~Tom been looking for the new Bass Desires . . . Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:51:06 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 15:28:19 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFojK-0003i2-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:28:10 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFojD-0000oG-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:28:03 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFoix-0003f2-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:27:47 -0800 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:18:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803192218.RAA24897@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: fave David Sylvian disc Resent-Message-ID: <"6k17gB.A.PDC.ncaE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4452 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:27:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 2fb36684bdab5b52c742b18419f01fcd Thanks All for the sage advice--I'm clutching my hard earned $ in my sweaty palms as I head to ye olde CD shop . . . ( AKA: Borders, the EVIL monpoly with the insisdious paln for world book and media domination and I am their unwilling puppet . . .cuz' nobody else has any DS to speak of) Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:51:00 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 14:39:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFnxr-0005er-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:39:07 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980319222709.00d3b6f8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:27:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EH 16 delay Cc: "Loop List" Resent-Message-ID: <"eiXd0D.A.2BE.uvZE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4449 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:39:07 -0800 X-UIDL: e38204ee413eff8419898b71e06f5897 that's what they said at namm, too. They also said they would be making some changes to make it more reliable. I have to wonder if all the original parts are even still available, so that might necessitate other changes. Those seem like good things to me, but sure to make the purists scream..... kim At 01:46 PM 3/19/98 -0800, Matt McCabe wrote: >A while back someone rumored that New Sensor was considering reissuing the >EH 16 delay. Here's the latest (non-informative) update. > >Matt > >---------- >> From: Kevin Bones >> To: mattm@HPG40.inside.bi-tech.com >> Subject: Re: eh 16 second delay >> Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 9:05 AM >> >> Matt, >> >> No release date as of yet. Maybe 6 months to a year. >> >> Kevin Bolembach >> New Sensor Corporation > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:51:07 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 15:40:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFov0-0005Be-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:40:14 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <45974bbf.3511a9af@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:26:37 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Bob Sellon Jamman mods... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"5DnOKD.A.GgD.SoaE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4453 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:40:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 2f1f244ec88f799111ba46aa7518f941 In a message dated 3/19/98 12:39:06 PM, you wrote: <> Wait a second, the LoOpdOctOrs thought that Lexicon wasn't allowing Bob to take over the looping world. Are these mods available? At what price? Is Bob taking first born? Best, The LoOpdOctOrs From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:51:14 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 18:53:17 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFrvm-0003WF-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:53:14 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFrvi-0000th-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:53:10 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFrvb-0003Ud-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:53:03 -0800 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:41:46 -0800 (PST) From: Stew Benedict Subject: Re: B.L.U.E. in Baltimore - Tickets almost gone To: stickwire-l@netcom.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Wv7M-.A.ztC.cjdE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4455 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:53:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 5e5c466e3c26b328b39e7cb5d20e369a Speaking of which, I just got the CD from Papa Bear - very nice. I'm going to the show in Baltimore and staying over Saturday. Any looper or Stick gigs near by or other good nightime music spots for Saturday night, you folks that live in the area? Thanks, Stew Benedict From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:51:10 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 16:48:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFpyv-00053T-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:48:21 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: R: R: What I'd love from a next-generation looper Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:10:01 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"pOL9F.A.hnD.CqbE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4454 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:48:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 356d286d4dbb2b783461ab40a5108f61 > >To: "Stefano Voulaz" >From: klaw@iglou.com >Subject: Re: R: R: What I'd love from a next-generation looper >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > > The Eventide DSP 4000 series sampling card option does awesome real >time stetch- compression from 400% down to 0 % !(also pitchchange not to >mention stero looping Just capture audio & change the scale . I do this >live alot - its a mind bending sound lots of d&B uses this process thru >non realtime but there are new samplers coming out with these >capabilities. Yamaha has one it works pretty cool. Do check out Metasynth >2.0 for Mac it has great realtime stretch in a preview function. >Interestingly enough Ive been working on ways this week to fuck up the >sound of the samples in the 4000. Ive designed a few different programs >using the sampling module that really play havoc with the time scale & >start & endpoints. I did one which changes time scale in accordance to the >input signal. Weird. Eventide just released a new OS & a new suite of >presets on a PC card that I cant wait to get my hands on . Finally tap >tampo& undo looping! Ill be posting in the Eventide section on the LD site >soon . > > K LAW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>Could you tell us more about what processors do time stretching? Are any of >>>them usable in a real-time, live performance setting? How many billions of >>>dollars (or lira) are we talking about? >> >>Actually, I'm not precisely aware of such devices. I *think* that TC >>Electronix and Lexicon high-end devices ($3000-4000 up) would do that. But I >>never even lurked at them... :( >>Anyone has detailed info on this topic? >>Bye >>The Looping Uncle 8^)# > > > From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:51:19 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 20:16:17 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFtE1-0004G4-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:16:10 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFtDy-0003qs-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:16:06 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFtDp-0004EQ-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:15:57 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5363.667A4A00.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Alexa Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:17:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t-N6C.A.k5C.JteE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4457 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:15:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 451c4ab362a55b3f702d1ed1e076a07b Sorry. No smoky-eyed, loop-loving, fantasy-becomes-corporeal maven, she. Even so, it's worth taking a peek: she's free, and loves to surf. No other hints. http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayNew.pl?/taylor/taylor.htm >From lists@slip.net Thu Mar 19 20:19:03 1998 From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:51:20 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 20:19:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFtGj-0004bL-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:18:57 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: Lexicon PCM 80 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 05:06:19 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd53b5$89c02960$5c004382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"TfBJZ.A.xND.tveE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4458 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:18:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 917c2142b1e719a8faedce5efd0f42eb Hi folks! I`ve been drooling over the PCM 80 , coz of the diffusion knob that (alledgedly) takes away the top end of the delay , thus enabling me to become "tape echo boy" in a digital domain. Are these beuties rare and hard to find? What should I expect to pay if I ever find one? Are there any other (posibly cheaper) machines that has a similar function that alters the delays high end and not the original signal??? Would it look good above my Jammam / Latex alliance in my rack? and thereby form a trinity , touched by the grace of god??? Or should I get a job flippin`burgers at McD`s??? Yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:51:28 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 21:27:38 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFuL6-00043c-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:27:32 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFuL3-0006Pc-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:27:29 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFuKx-00042O-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:27:23 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: New Frisell: was ECM (was Frisell/torn) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 05:10:49 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd53b6$2a905fe0$5c004382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"FJWUw.A.UVD.E1fE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4460 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:27:23 -0800 X-UIDL: d8de1accfe5e25b7b9afc0443b195842 >the new disc "gone, just like a train" arrived at the library > (love the St. Louis City public library--incredible music selexn.) >5 frigging stars, brothers and sisters > Viktor Krauss is amazing and Jim Keltner is . . . Jim Keltner I couldn`t agree more. They play with a warmth and sense of humour that touch everone. Well , at least it made this dream Theatre -drummer-guy laugh! uuhhhmmm.........that come out wrong...... Yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:51:26 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 20:29:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFtQj-0005oR-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:29:17 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: , Cc: Subject: Stick amplific. Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 05:20:19 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd53b7$7e50ff80$5c004382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"repR-.A.6wE.r8eE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4459 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:29:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 473152577c6ca6e627df01789f8573f0 Yowza yowza! I was wondering about Stick players and their amplification....... I have gathered that the output of a stick is basically stereo: top strings and bottom strings on separate output. How do you lucky bastards( that actually own a stick) amplify it??? A guitaramp for the top and a bass amp for the bottom??? The lil` I have heard of stickplayers outside of Levin/Gunn has sounded like a bassplayer and a guitarplayer playing together incredibly tight. It sounded like a clear difference in sound between the top and the bottom strings.... (i.e. The top bass string has a MUCh darker sound than the bottom top string) To me this seems a bit weird.......instead of having one instrument with incredible range you get two instruments with "regular" range. Anyways , this is what it sounded to me. I really just wanted to learn about the stick , not piss any of you Stickers off. Yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:51:31 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 22:15:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFv5c-0000pu-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:15:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980320001410.0068cddc@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:14:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: Alexa In-Reply-To: <01BD5363.667A4A00.lahatch@dnai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kqo9hD.A.4g.ijgE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4461 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:15:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 47f0a3e5e62968dd0d0fef9d2c47c186 At 06:17 PM 19-03-98 -0800, you wrote: >Sorry. No smoky-eyed, loop-loving, fantasy-becomes-corporeal maven, she. Even >so, it's worth taking a peek: she's free, and loves to surf. No other hints. http://www.alexa.com pretty well viewed though <: From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:51:32 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 23:19:40 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFw5a-0006BA-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:19:38 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFw5X-0001od-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:19:35 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFw5U-0006AY-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:19:32 -0800 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:45:41 -0600 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: What I'd love from a next-generation looper To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <35121095.57D1@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <000A87F4.----@wj.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"AsDac.A.ggF.afhE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4463 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:19:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 5dd54760898687ab1c51b1d52d96220b Mike Biffle wrote, in part: > > >(talk about volume control and time stretching....) > > I'd really like MODULATION. Square wave, triangle wave and sine wave, Possibly a > random number generator for unpredictable movements of these various waves. Also > cc controlable coarse and fine tuning for them of up to at least an octave... > Hell, let's have two octaves while we're making a wishlist. Why not an input jack as well, for the modulation source of your choice? John Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/) From ???@??? Thu Mar 19 23:51:31 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 19 22:56:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFvjL-0004Nz-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:56:39 -0800 From: TritoneDW Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:49:23 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What I'd love from a next-generation looper Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"JgCAQD.A.6sD.EJhE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4462 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:56:39 -0800 X-UIDL: e7c21a1e779c39608c44e211576ae3b9 In a message dated 98-03-19 15:39:35 EST, you write: << Bob Sellon's JamMan / MuttMax mods are very interesting. Bob has added several new mods to the JamMan... Recordable "Channels" which play simultaneously with their own volume and pan parameters as well as editable number of repeat values to infinity. (This allows for a main recirculating loop bed, with the ability to trigger defined repetitions of other motifs for plot / loop development.) CC control over the panning of these various channels to get things moving around. (Am I correct in this cc matter, Bob?) >> What??!! Are there JamPup options I don't know about? Am I the only guy (or gal, but I'm a guy--you understand) who is running a lowly plain old JamUnit? Info please! Are these mods archived on the LD site? Drew W. From ???@??? Fri Mar 20 09:04:53 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 20 00:43:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFxP3-0003xp-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:43:49 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:39:08 +0000 Message-ID: <000F8FED.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: [some other] New Frisell To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"EnXriD.A.ubD.duiE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4464 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:43:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 97ddcbbb4bdcae003770818f6eb749aa Pretty much no loop content in either of these, but Bill appears on two relatively new Intuition CDs: Joey Baron's `Down Home' (with Arthur Blythe - alto saxophone; Ron Carter - bass, Joey Baron - drums) - a set of Joey's compositions in a blues/jazz/groove style and a duo with violinist Michael White, the name of which escapes me, featuring a selection of standards. Cheers David From ???@??? Fri Mar 20 14:10:06 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 20 13:12:00 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yG954-0003S0-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:11:58 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yG953-0007gy-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:11:57 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yG94z-0003RV-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:11:53 -0800 Message-ID: <35126688.3CB5@nyfac.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:52:24 +0000 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: What I'd love from next-generation guitar gear References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xKjrgD.A.I0C.IqtE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4474 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:11:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 0bdfb4a1acfb0a050a045edaf46e5ca9 How 'bout something that will make my g-string stay in tune... Trevor From ???@??? Fri Mar 20 09:05:17 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 20 05:11:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yG1Zk-0002o8-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 05:11:08 -0800 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:08:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803201308.IAA25412@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: EH 16 delay DELAY Resent-Message-ID: <"iwpu5B.A.eaC.fpmE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4465 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 05:11:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 58498e5ab2615ba0c29148cf498560e4 Funny . . . that's EXACTLY what they said when I e-mailed them last October :@ Tom At 01:46 PM 3/19/98 -0800, you wrote: >A while back someone rumored that New Sensor was considering reissuing the >EH 16 delay. Here's the latest (non-informative) update. > >Matt > >---------- >> From: Kevin Bones >> To: mattm@HPG40.inside.bi-tech.com >> Subject: Re: eh 16 second delay >> Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 9:05 AM >> >> Matt, >> >> No release date as of yet. Maybe 6 months to a year. >> >> Kevin Bolembach >> New Sensor Corporation > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Fri Mar 20 09:05:23 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 20 06:31:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yG2pE-0007mw-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 06:31:12 -0800 X-Lotus-FromDomain: TRUEVISION From: Greg_Leistikow@truevision.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <052565CD.004D6957.00@in-mail1.truevision.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:18:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Stick amplific. Resent-Message-ID: <"WoHa-B.A._DH.S0nE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4466 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 06:31:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 16c8ff96799d5e3e1feaec7d46608b75 Re:>>I was wondering about Stick players and their amplification....... I have gathered that the output of a stick is basically stereo: top strings and bottom strings on separate output. How do you lucky bastards( that actually own a stick) amplify it??? A guitaramp for the top and a bass amp for the bottom???<< Since the Stick is relatively new and there is not a long held tradition, I think that you will find that different players approach it differently, depending on what they are trying to do. It is stereo with two seperate outs. Some players do use two seperate amps to give very distinct voices to the two sides. I used to play this way. Lately though I take more of a "keyboard" kind of approach. I play through an old Fender guitar amp with two inputs and it gives me a pretty unified sound. I have a seperate effects chain on each side so there is some disinction but the overall tonal charactersics blend pretty closely. To keep things on topic, I use my delay on the melody side so I tend to get arpegiated loops going and then create bass/rhythm grooves in the lower range. Greg From ???@??? Fri Mar 20 09:05:41 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 20 08:37:22 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yG4nD-0003zh-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:37:15 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yG4nA-0004tz-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:37:12 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yG4mz-0003y0-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:37:01 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980320083350.00985220@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:33:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: Re: Alexa In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980320001410.0068cddc@mail.utexas.edu> References: <01BD5363.667A4A00.lahatch@dnai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"UA3jzB.A.jID.vnpE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4467 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:37:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 036fa30c814f509a5604ec7297ae1017 just a cautionary note on what may be obvious: Alexa is tracking every web page you visit as she is giving you helpful info on those pages. they are definately keeping global statistics based on this data. it is possible they are keeping historical records on a per user basis. FWIW, they do promise not to release such information. safe surfing! dan At 12:14 AM 3/20/98 -0600, you wrote: >At 06:17 PM 19-03-98 -0800, you wrote: >>Sorry. No smoky-eyed, loop-loving, fantasy-becomes-corporeal maven, she. >Even >>so, it's worth taking a peek: she's free, and loves to surf. No other hints. > >http://www.alexa.com >pretty well viewed though <: ___ dan mcmullen don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 415.681-0712 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From ???@??? Fri Mar 20 12:00:20 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 20 11:23:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yG7NS-0007TL-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:22:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199803201754.JAA27026@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: EH 16 delay DELAY Date: Fri, 20 Mar 98 11:55:19 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"-Ds63B.A.wBG.t_rE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4472 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:22:50 -0800 X-UIDL: bb79406c6af5523aafadce2b882120c5 Perhaps we're looking at an ElectroHarmonix 16 MONTH delay. Travis >Funny . . . that's EXACTLY what they said when I e-mailed them last >October :@ > > >Tom > > >At 01:46 PM 3/19/98 -0800, you wrote: >>A while back someone rumored that New Sensor was considering reissuing the >>EH 16 delay. Here's the latest (non-informative) update. >> >>Matt >> >>---------- >>> From: Kevin Bones >>> To: mattm@HPG40.inside.bi-tech.com >>> Subject: Re: eh 16 second delay >>> Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 9:05 AM >>> >>> Matt, >>> >>> No release date as of yet. Maybe 6 months to a year. >>> >>> Kevin Bolembach >>> New Sensor Corporation >> >> From ???@??? Fri Mar 20 10:05:00 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 20 09:19:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yG5Rc-0000w8-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:19:00 -0800 Message-ID: <3512A54A.7CAC1CAD@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:20:13 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: call to arms X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199803201308.IAA25412@mcfeely.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ljstKD.A.d_G.-JqE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4468 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:19:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 85fecdfc57c912b1657ae5ff43662a45 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please keep this petition rolling. Do not reply to me. Please sign and forward to others to sign. If you prefer not to sign please send to the e-mail address indicated or return to me. Thanks. This petition is being passed around the internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be maintained for the NEA, NPR & PBS. Here goes: This is being forwarded to several people at once to add their names to the petition. It won't matter if many people receive the same list as the names are being managed. This is for anyone who thinks NPR/PBS is a worthwhile expenditure of $1.12/year of their taxes, a petition follows. If you sign, please forward on to others (not back to me). If not, please don't kill it -- send it to the email address listed here: PBS, NPR (National Public Radio), and the arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline their services, some government officials believe that the funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS equal $1.12 per person per year, and the National Endowment for the Arts equals $.64 a year. A January 1995 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll indicated that 76% of Americans wish to keep funding for PBS, third only to national defense and law enforcement as the most valuable programs for federal funding. Each year, the Senate and House 13 subcommittees with jurisdiction over many programs and agencies. Each subcommittee passes its own appropriation bill. The goal each year is to have each bill signed by the beginning of the fiscal year, which is October 1. 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Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- NOTE: It is preferable that you SELECT the entirety of this letter and then COPY it into a new outgoing message rather than simply forwarding it. -------------------------------------------------------- 416) Arlene Hamilton, Everett, WA 417) Irina Rudakova, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 418) Persephone Miel, Internews, Moscow, Russia 419) Michael J. Mead, New York, NY 420) Spiro C. Lampros, New York University, New York, NY 421) Kelly Sheehan, Brooklyn, NY 422) Henry Kimsey-House, Sebastopol, CA 423) Cynthia Loy Darst, Los Angeles, CA 424) David Darst, Los Angeles, CA 425) Arline Berman, Atlanta, GA 426) Laura Davis, Atlanta, GA 427) Carole Billingham, Denver, CO 428) Sonja M. 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Brooks, Jr, Seattle, WA 472) Roy H May, Jr, Temple, TX 473) R Richard May, Temple, TX 474) Robert A May, Temple, TX 475) Janet W May, Temple, TX 476) Nancy Woodward, Blue Lake, CA 477) Larry Betts, San Francisco, CA 478) Jude Haukom, San Francisco, CA 479) Karen Heisler, San Francisco, CA 480) Christine Lemor, San Francisco, CA 481) Robert Geary, Sausalito, CA 482) Mark Shattuck, Albany, CA 483) Mary Storandt, Pembroke Pines, FL 484) Lisbeth Storandt, San Francisco, CA 485) Joseph O'Neill, San Francisco, CA 486) Paul M. Fox, Los Angeles, CA 487) James Remar, Los Angeles, Ca. 488) Stacey K. Black, Los Angeles, CA 489) Tina Harrelson, Wilmington, NC 490) Scott Campbell, Oakview,CA 491) Joel Jones, Seattle, WA 492) Lena Kopelow, Seattle, WA 493) Larry Renick, San Francisco, CA 494) Anna Wyckoff, San Anselmo, CA >> 495) Tobi Solvang, San Francisco, CA 496) Jody Newman, Bellevue, WA 497) Michael Addis, Los Angeles, CA 498) Dawn Margaret (Meg) Thayer, Los Angeles, CA 499) Diana Villa, Los Angeles, CA 500) Gretchen Rollins, Venice, CA 501) Geoffrey Selzer, Los Angeles, CA 502) Tod Cooper, Los Angeles, CA 503) Bob Billig, New York City 504) Annbritt Gemmer, Chicago IL 505) Joseph Dellger, Pasadena, Ca > 506) Todd Thurston, NY, NY 507) Sandy Rosenberg, NY, NY 508) Carrie L. Smith Barnstable, MA > 509) Eileen A. Wilde, New York, NY 510) Dabney L. Oliver, Austin, TX 511) Steven Sev Coursen, Austin, TX 512) Mark Bueide, Neptune, NJ 513) Bill Tansi, Wrentham, MA 514) Anna Aramini, Glastonbury, CT 515) Dan Dana, Overland Park, KS 516) Michael Freidman, Bala Cynwyd, PA 517) David Lansky, Burlington, VT 518) Devan Mehrotra, Lansdale, PA 519) Jessica Webber, Wilmington, DE 520) Susan Basalla, Kansas City, MO 521) Margit Dementi, New York, NY 522) Deborah Fryer, Cambridge, MA 523) Penelope Riseborough, Belmont, MA 524) Orit Halpern, Cambridge, MA 525) J. Nordberg, Cambridge, MA 526)Laura Hsieh, Cambridge, MA 527) Paul Lloyd Sargent, Las Vegas, NV 528) Trey Sager, Littleton, MA 529) John D. Freyer, Syracuse, NY 530) Mark Sottilaro, Syracuse, NY From ???@??? Fri Mar 20 10:05:06 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 20 09:48:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yG5uM-0004Qn-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:48:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:25:28 -0800 Message-ID: <000A94C8.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: What I'd love from a next-generation looper To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, TritoneDW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"EwAAyD.A.54C.PlqE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4469 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:48:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 3a25c5cbb712c829ddc19a2efe81edc2 In a message dated 98-03-19 15:39:35 EST, Miko wrote: << Bob Sellon's JamMan / MuttMax mods are very interesting. Bob has added < FWIW: here's the STEC (Bob Sellon) URL: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/8541/ best... -Miko From ???@??? Fri Mar 20 12:00:17 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 20 10:27:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yG6Vg-000137-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:27:16 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980320181543.00ac9fd8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:15:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: call to arms Resent-Message-ID: <"J3HdbC.A.a.xLrE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4470 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:27:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 93eee2befb5c6db8bfbd7f6eacee3e08 At 12:20 PM 3/20/98 -0500, mark sottilaro wrote: >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please keep this petition rolling. Do not reply to me. Please sign Hi, this is an internet hoax, cleverly worded so that it will be passed around the internet endlessly by naive people and give it's creators some sort of thrill as a result. Often times these are used as a way to mail bomb some poor unsuspecting person, whose address is always listed in the mail. It's been around for years now, so I guess it works. Please do not ever, ever, ever, EVER post this sort of thing in public forums. and c'mon...you don't really think that adding your name to the bottom of a piece of chain mail really counts as signing a petition, do you? kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 20 12:00:17 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 20 10:48:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yG6py-0003Wa-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:48:14 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD53EB.CFABBA80.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: Alexa Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:34:09 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WN4RbC.A.5HC.wdrE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4471 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:48:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 5dd51a6ed74eebdf6bcc7688222a3aa9 >From: dan mcmullen [SMTP:dog@well.com] >Sent: Friday, March 20, 1998 8:34 AM > >just a cautionary note on what may be obvious: Alexa is tracking every web >page you visit as she is giving you helpful info on those pages. they are >definately keeping global statistics based on this data. it is possible >they are keeping historical records on a per user basis. FWIW, they do >promise not to release such information. > >safe surfing! >dan Yeah, I was pretty ambivalent about that as well. It raises complex questions about the ramifications of "plugging in", and the potential for abuse. Clearly, one must carefully evaluate risks relative to bennies. Sorry to drift off topic. Although not explicitly stated :-), I did think this might be of interest as a (possibly controversial) development in the net's evolution. Thanks for bringing up some of the concerns, Dan. It is always wise to question, and then question again! %^) laurie >At 12:14 AM 3/20/98 -0600, you wrote: >>At 06:17 PM 19-03-98 -0800, you wrote: >>>Sorry. No smoky-eyed, loop-loving, fantasy-becomes-corporeal maven, she. >>Even >>>so, it's worth taking a peek: she's free, and loves to surf. No other >hints. >> >>http://www.alexa.com >>pretty well viewed though <: > >___ >dan mcmullen don't worry - pay attention >mailto:dog@well.com 415.681-0712 >pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF > >From owner-boogie-talk@listserv.duc.auburn.edu Fri Mar 20 11:10:00 1998 From ???@??? Fri Mar 20 14:10:05 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 20 12:46:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yG8gV-00019F-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:46:35 -0800 Message-ID: <3512BFB2.131A@efn.org> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:12:50 -0800 From: Peter Harlan Reply-To: pharlan@efn.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: call to arms References: <2.2.32.19980320181543.00ac9fd8@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4ibaS.A.nE.AOtE1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4473 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:46:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 7849e7c132c37ae6fb9c2a40d29bb677 Kim Flint wrote: > this is an internet hoax, cleverly worded so that > it will be passed around the internet endlessly ^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ Doesn't this make it appropriate for Loopers-Delight? > and c'mon...you don't really think that adding your > name to the bottom of a piece of chain mail really > counts as signing a petition, do you? I wouldn't sign it anyway. NPR sucks so much money out of the budgets of listener-supported stations that they can't afford anything else. Meanwhile people think they're getting an alternative to the commercial media. Same emperor, different clothes. -Peter pharlan@efn.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 21 12:35:59 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 20 20:58:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGGMs-00017U-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:58:50 -0800 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: <2ef030cf.35134818@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:54:46 EST To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: is it possible to discuss the process of creating a loop?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ygjeb.A.9v.dh0E1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4475 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:58:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 49f519918c6f58c42186d3996090227f i wonder, how do all of you go about this loop thing?? i read much discussion of very interesting gear topics-hearing,ringing-Tesla etc.. but and i could be wrong is technique ever talked about? thanks......................michael From ???@??? Sat Mar 21 12:36:31 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 21 12:25:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGUpp-0002jE-00; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:25:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3513E861.5131@pop.interport.net> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:18:48 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Michael asks about looping technique...(long post) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1hPkAD.A.VTC.iGCF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4481 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:25:41 -0800 X-UIDL: a0785a0d95e6b3f83f5ab71057fbabb0 thanks alot loopdoctor. i just ordered my first echoplex and am eagerly awaiting its arrival. I've been playing with delays, stereo & multiple gtrs and ebows for awhile but never really looped. I'm scared and excited about looping. please answer this. can i create seperate loops of different time lengths and then play over eachother for example loop 1 20 secs loop2 35 secs. will these play simutaneously? i have so many questions i guess thats a good one to begin. i know very little about the echoplex and hope i can learn as much as possible as soon as possible. i own old ibanez effects but am considering saving for a rolnd gr30 what do you think?i am a hypnotist/aspiringspacegtrist any technique recommendations to explore? From ???@??? Sat Mar 21 12:36:20 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 21 08:32:43 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGRCL-0001On-00; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:32:41 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGRCJ-0001hV-00; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:32:39 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGRCF-0001O5-00; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:32:35 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:26:41 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Michael asks about looping technique...(long post) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"PttRYB.A.Fy.Tq-E1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4477 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:32:35 -0800 X-UIDL: c8087a8cb7f0a92a5de54b0cecc12429 Hi Michael: You bring up an interesting subject...but one this group must approach with a broad, broad brush...like the kind your grandfather used to shave with. The LoOpdOctOrs believe looping "technique" depends on the musicians brain, equipment, and ears...so it's difficult to codify or reduce down rules. It's not like, saying, YOU THERE, MUSICIAN, learn to "vibrato" on a violin string, or "legato" over the keyboard. Depending on the machine it can require monstrous agility (anybody want to talk about Jamman foot pedals again?), or a simple toe tap or button push. At least that's the purely physical side of it. Much of it has to do with inspiration and creative brain power. Do you want play 4 beats per measure against five beats? Do you want to start a "round" on a looper. How effusive is your sense of rhythm? Both the now deceased Lexicon Jamman and still alive and kicking Echoplex have wonderful "tap" abilities that can facilitate interesting and complex rhythmic overlays. Then there is the question of sequencing and fading loops. The Echoplex has a "feedback" dial, which would be more accurately titled "ripple" because it spreads and dissipates your loops like a pebble tossed in a pond. The Jamman also has this available but with fewer rippling possibilities (16 via midi pedal as opposed to 99 with the dial on the front panel of the echoplex). How you manipulate these ripples can also probably be called technique...but every looper will have a different take on this. We like to ripple a loop down and then stabilize it and make is shimmer...but is that technique? Also you can divide the memory in the Jamman and Echoplex so that you can have eight or so discrete loops lined up to file in at the punch of a button. How you work your way through these, and how you manipulate them before they come back to the audience...well, we don't know what to call it. Another part of looping "technique" has a lot to do with the particular musical instrument you play, and what the physical requirements and demands of that instrument happen to be. Our keyboardist loops and sequences all the time, and before he met the other two LoOpdOctOrs, he hardly even thought about it as "looping," since it was just part and partial of the synthesizers he'd been using for years, and making an arpeggio go round and round was kind of a no-brainer (he's since been operated on). But on guitar or bass or cello or harp or other stringed instruments with a finger interface, the "technique" of looping involves what you can pull out of or off of the strings. We bet if there are any looping trombonists in this group, they can tell you about the interface between rubber-lipping and the sweet spot on their loopers. Finally, a lot of us loopers use mixers, and the art of patching, through- putting and fading your mixer while running your loops could also be called "technique." David Torn has even offered to design a dedicated integrated "looper/mixer," but a musical instrument company hath yet to heed his bidding. Here's a real world example of some looping "technique." We recently did a recording session with a acoustic guitarist "folk" singer where her song called for a school bell ringing from a faraway and now lost place...(theatrically, think of "Our Town" by Thornton Wilder or "Brigadoon" by Lerner and Lowe.) To get there, we created a lot of ambient radio noise...jacking up an old compressor pedal so it hissed and snorted like a nearly shorted circuit, and sent eerie ambient "aether" noise into the recording channel. It was like trying to dial up a radio signal from years past that had floated back into the cosmos. We then faded and looped that into the Echoplex. After that, we started popping harmonics on the low E string on our electric guitar while looking for the right button punch in place with the echoplex, and more importantly the right button "punch out" place so that the "bell" would mournfully toll away over this haze of electronic noise. We then found it was even cooler to use a pitch shifter to make the bell bigger and fatter. We faded that in over the compressor noise. So, is this technique, or is this simply your brain on "tug" mode? The LoOpdOctOrs can't say. If you want a more nuts and bolts thing, and you're a guitarist...harmonics are great "friends" for ambient loops and so is any kind of volume "fade" whether via volume knob on guitar or amp, or floor pedal. To make chimey Zen noise try paperclips, pick scraping, mallets and other sources of guitar rubbing. Conversly, to make angry, rude fourth-grader noise, do the same thing. Amplifier distortion and gain can be a BIG friend, but not in the heavy metal kind of way. It's just that with something as subtle as a paper clip dangling off a string, or the harmonics pinched off a bridge of a headstock tree, getting the gain up will allow you to hear the noise and then emulate the fluttering wing of the bird. Also...jack up the gain on an amp, pitch shift down, strap in a fuzz box, and start "fisting" your solid body (in a nice way of course!) and you can make it sound like it's the "big one" whatever your big one might be. We love E-Bows...not only for their infinite "synth-like" sustain but also becuase you can pop a harmonic on the string and place the ebow over the guitar pickup field and just magnetize the high holy hell of the harmonics coming off...feed that into an looper and spit it out through a strange morphing stereo-psychotic Lexicon Vortex field and your psychiatrist may order a round of psychopharmeceuticals so he can party down with your technique. A great place to learn some "technique" is to try to get your hand on David Torns' videos. He did a couple for...lets see, we think it's "homespun" videos and he explains his Painting with Loops facility. He also has some really great articles he's written and published in Guitar Player magazine about looping on his websight. Have you heard his recordings? What Means Solid, Traveler, Tripping Over God and Polytown are all amazing. Like much of the rest of music, the best "technique" is giving yourself the permission to really listen. Best, The LoOpdOctOrs From ???@??? Sat Mar 21 12:36:22 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 21 09:00:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGRdg-0003gy-00; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:00:56 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:56:42 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 3rd CD project Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"lEvYxD.A.VID.ZG_E1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4478 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:00:56 -0800 X-UIDL: ad0217e3fd312c14003d9c4b394962ff The loopers delight 3rdCD project is still looking for submissions. We have about 5 entries so far with 3 or 4 more on their way. Send a note and let us know if you're interested. We're accepting all forms of media. Regards; John Peters 3rd CD Project Page From ???@??? Sat Mar 21 12:36:28 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 21 11:03:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGTXn-0004MU-00; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:02:59 -0800 Message-ID: <35140F6C.B7B574ED@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:05:16 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jparada@changenow.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Phantom ringing References: <350CEFE0.514@nyfac.com> <3.0.1.16.19980319125657.2f5f4bf2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> <3510E276.5945@pop.interport.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"I1OLH.A.pwD.z4AF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4479 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:02:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 97ef396568a8a5d5d60e574a1c65b794 Hi J&D, I'm intrigued by your post,I have never been able to be hynotized,but have seen astounding results from others in all kinds of facets of lifestyle changes.The combination of looping music and hynosis seems a natural combo.Keep us infomed of your experiments. Jeff Duke TecBabLabs http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index.html John + Diane Parada wrote: > Hi. I'm a hypnotist and new looper. I just ordered my first echopolex > and have been experimenting with hypnosis and sound for some time. now > I'm going to get serious and would like to compose and perform live > musical hypnosis. Does anyone have any ideas, suggestions or links?. From ???@??? Sat Mar 21 15:49:14 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 21 14:09:14 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGWS1-00022e-00; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:09:13 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGUbp-0006Ce-00; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:11:13 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGUbk-0001Xd-00; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:11:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980321140926.00693ab0@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:09:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: ? about looping technique...(short post) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2_TX1C.A.gFB.V4BF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4480 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:11:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 31c6b25ed06b5b378990d170269f1615 I'm looking for a source guide to sampling and looping, something that explains to me what all the information means and what it can all do. The more I study these two things the more I see that it was begun about 10-20 years ago. Unfortunately, U.T.'s library seems to miss certain strands of music completely. They have electronic music guides, but they do not have anything specifically about looping/sampling. Any help on source guides would be very appreciated. Thank you. Mjh From ???@??? Sun Mar 22 11:51:39 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 21 15:59:17 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGYAV-0001e2-00; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:59:15 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGYAU-0002xQ-00; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:59:14 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGYAP-0001dH-00; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:59:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199803220002.TAA29723@mail.ramlink.net> From: "brown25" To: Subject: Re: ? about looping technique...(short post) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:55:05 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AiEXPD.A.1PB.oOFF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4482 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:59:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 92c56c793b5ed963bd4ea6cb527325e5 Hey Matthew, I'm in a project now where I'm using a lot of sampling, and looping. I haven't found as much on the subject as I would like, but there is some information about the legal crap at http://www.brokersys.com/~musiclaw/topics.html there is a link about sampling there that I found informative. I think the whole thing is wide open...you can do what you want (within reason), but there is no law as to how much the publisher can charge if you put it out your work for sale. I went sample happy, and now, I've been completely creatively stiffled just trying to cover my butt on the legal end. Oh yeah, if you want to read an interview with the Dust Brothers that talks a lot about these issues check out: http://www.addict.com/issues/2.09/html/lofi/Features/Dust_Brothers/index.htm l most of the stuff on sampling is on page 3-5 or so. If you're not familiar with the Dust Brothers, then go out right this instant and buy Beck - Odelay.! brown25 ---------- > From: matthew hahn > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: ? about looping technique...(short post) > Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 3:09 PM > > I'm looking for a source guide to sampling and looping, something that > explains to me what all the information means and what it can all do. The > more I study these two things the more I see that it was begun about 10-20 > years ago. Unfortunately, U.T.'s library seems to miss certain strands of > music completely. They have electronic music guides, but they do not have > anything specifically about looping/sampling. Any help on source guides > would be very appreciated. Thank you. > Mjh > From ???@??? Sun Mar 22 11:51:46 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 21 20:02:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGbxr-000245-00; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:02:27 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980321220113.006924f0@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:01:13 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: brown25, sample sites, Loop/Sample Info In-Reply-To: <199803220002.TAA29723@mail.ramlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Zyzi_D.A.YpB.lyIF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4483 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:02:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 706e59d6dbdbef5b94a1540db26999df brown25 Thank you very much for the sites, I will be checking them out shortly. Other attempts at finding sampling/looping info are not very forthcoming. Book stores seem to forgo them, the few books which can be ordered seem somewhat questionable. The technical language though simple for the users, subscribers long-time to Electronic Musician, etc. those have followed the sonic evolvement from Alleatory, Musique Concrete, etc., the beginnings of cheaper digital sampling with the Emu Emulator, will know the code phrase jargon. I'm still looking for more! Haven't gone to the retail sampler stores yet. One of the reasons for my forray into sound is a webpage for a communications technology class at U.T. at Austin. It is sampling/looping based and I hope to learn and put on quite a bit of interesting information upon it. Anyone with other sites/knowledge, I would interested to hear from you. What's it all about to you? I'm also interested in this because I often like music that with sampling and looped and I usually notice it and wonder, damn how did they do it? It's fascinating. The closest I get is DJing it, ambient/techno/jungle. Whomever can help me with some input pertinent to these looping/sampling inquiries, big thanks! Mjh From ???@??? Sun Mar 22 11:52:03 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 22 00:43:27 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGgLm-0002Lb-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:43:26 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGgLi-0003tK-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:43:22 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGgLh-0002L8-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:43:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199803220846.DAA12111@mail.ramlink.net> From: "brown25" To: Subject: Re: brown25, sample sites, Loop/Sample Info Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 03:39:40 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VPX3cC.A.68B.Q6MF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4484 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:43:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 8b8f9703cba17a6d63485336de2d1d3c Mjh, Since joining this mailing list, I've noticed that a lot of people loop in many different ways. As far as I'm concerned, I like the pc, and the DAW - digital audio workstation. This is really cool because you can physically do things to music...move sounds, with a mouse, to where you want them. There are a lot of multitrack DAW's out there...I use SAW+ by innovative quality software, and the Digital Audio Labs Card D +, which allows I/O analog with simultaneous play and record. The DAW makes things very flexible as far as recording. You can change the sound on each track...like make one track go backwards while the rest go forward....and also make each go at a different speed...so if a sample is out of the key you want, you can slow down/speed up until it is on. Lastly, everything is done as a .wav file...so almost everything is compatible or convert-able. If you are a musician and want to perform as a musician on a studio work...the DAW probably isn't for you....it's a little bit more of a pain to set up like that than something like an ADAT. Furthermore, you can only do one track at a time with mine...I think there is an update that allows for multiple track record....but you would need extra sound cards. If you approach your studio work more as an artist than a musician...then the pc based DAW is where it's at. Geez, I sound like a salesman....sorry, I just dig it!!!! If you're looking for samples...there a butloads of drum loop samples on the net....the pisser is that you've got to cover your butt legally if you plan to sell it, and there isn't usually any information about the origin of the loop....I'm stuck there right now...after downloading a bunch of loops, cutting them up and using them in songs...I've found that I have to dig up where they came from originally so I can get licensing to use them...otherwise I could get sued. The people that run those sites haven't been very forthcoming with any info...they've just said...sorry can't help. If you want info on DAW's or sample sites....just type in DAW or 'digital audio workstation' into a search engine...since it's a pc-based thing...they all have sites on the internet. If you're looking for sites with samples, 'breakbeat' seems to be a word that spews plentiful sites out of a search engine. Hope I've helped!!!! brown25 ---------- > From: matthew hahn > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: brown25, sample sites, Loop/Sample Info > Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 11:01 PM > > brown25 > Thank you very much for the sites, I will be checking them out shortly. > Other attempts at finding sampling/looping info are not very forthcoming. > Book stores seem to forgo them, the few books which can be ordered seem > somewhat questionable. > The technical language though simple for the users, subscribers long-time > to Electronic Musician, etc. those have followed the sonic evolvement from > Alleatory, Musique Concrete, etc., the beginnings of cheaper digital > sampling with the Emu Emulator, will know the code phrase jargon. I'm > still looking for more! Haven't gone to the retail sampler stores yet. > One of the reasons for my forray into sound is a webpage for a > communications technology class at U.T. at Austin. It is sampling/looping > based and I hope to learn and put on quite a bit of interesting information > upon it. Anyone with other sites/knowledge, I would interested to hear > from you. What's it all about to you? > I'm also interested in this because I often like music that with sampling > and looped and I usually notice it and wonder, damn how did they do it? > It's fascinating. The closest I get is DJing it, ambient/techno/jungle. > Whomever can help me with some input pertinent to these looping/sampling > inquiries, big thanks! > Mjh > From ???@??? Sun Mar 22 11:53:01 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 22 11:11:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGq9v-00066O-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:11:51 -0800 From: "That's MISTER Johnson to you, bucko" To: Subject: FS: JamMan and Vortex Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:40:13 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd55b9$91d359a0$25323fd1@tomjohns> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"VJTp0.A.HaF.HHWF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4489 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:11:51 -0800 X-UIDL: d87bd0fd8c0722f26d40796fa16e659f Dare I do this? I would prefer to sell both units to the same person, but I'm willing to split them. Here goes . . . For sale: JamMan with 32 seconds memory and the Lex footpedal $350, including shipping in the US And: Vortex with Lex footpedal and CV pedal (and stereo cord for it) $300, also includes shipping in the US. First come, first served! Tom Johnson Black Polycarb Chapman Stick #2604 tappy@usa.net Visit TappyLand at www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/5682 ************************************************************** "I used to be temporarily insane, now I'm just stupid" --Brak, Cartoon Planet -----Original Message----- From: ANET To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 10:00 AM Subject: 3rd CD project >The loopers delight 3rdCD project is still looking for submissions. We have >about 5 >entries so far with 3 or 4 more on their way. Send a note and let us know if >you're >interested. > >We're accepting all forms of media. > >Regards; > John Peters > > 3rd CD Project Page > > From ???@??? Sun Mar 22 11:52:57 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 22 09:49:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGos9-0007TN-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 09:49:25 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980322114804.00693c54@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:48:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: brown25, sample sites, Loop/Sample Info In-Reply-To: <199803220846.DAA12111@mail.ramlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IcM1E.A.vuG.95UF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4486 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 09:49:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 6e38a93eef32cfc264ddf5425f5c43ad The DAW makes things very >flexible as far as recording. You can change the sound on each >track...like make one track go backwards while the rest go forward....and also make each go at a different speed...so if a sample is out of the key >you want, you can slow down/speed up until it is on. Is pitch dependent on speed? That would seem pretty hard to deal with, unless you let tempos be off? I think it's interesting how you make what you have work for you, thanks for the info, it did help! Mjh From ???@??? Sun Mar 22 11:53:00 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 22 10:59:23 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGpxq-00055G-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:59:22 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGoxC-00038i-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 09:54:38 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGox8-0000Fs-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 09:54:34 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <4677d60b.35154f4d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:50:03 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cool JamMan tricks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"pHK3I.A.TSH.8-UF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4487 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 09:54:34 -0800 X-UIDL: bee357c3030228bb8b4de9d3213e24bb Michael, that was one great day's work. Keep it up on the Jamman. Best, the LoOpdOctOrs From ???@??? Sun Mar 22 11:52:58 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 22 10:07:31 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGp9d-0001SS-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:07:29 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGp9b-0003Y6-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:07:27 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGp9Y-0001Rv-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:07:24 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980322120605.0068e7dc@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:06:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Matt asks about looping technique...(short post) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"tnwgAD.A.WEB.4KVF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4488 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:07:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 98110ed5654a5eb4115793c715c04bfb How effusive is your sense of rhythm? Both the now deceased >Lexicon Jamman and still alive and kicking Echoplex have wonderful "tap" >abilities that can facilitate interesting and complex rhythmic overlays. Could you explain the significance of "tapping", it's often brought up. >Then there is the question of sequencing and fading loops. The Echoplex has a >"feedback" dial, which would be more accurately titled "ripple" because it >spreads and dissipates your loops like a pebble tossed in a pond. The Jamman >also has this available but with fewer rippling possibilities (16 via midi >pedal as opposed to 99 with the dial on the front panel of the echoplex). What then would the number mean, number of loops til end? time/length shifts? style of ripple effect? > From ???@??? Sun Mar 22 11:52:43 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 22 02:29:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGi0W-0007Tu-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 02:29:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980322120936.0f6780e2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:09:36 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Cool JamMan tricks Cc: sellon@mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5TaSJB.A.F3G.UeOF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4485 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 02:29:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 526ddefa4811ef3ec780169b3c9788e1 This is to show everyone I CAN actually post on-topic! Someone, ages ago, suggested using the DELAY mode on a JamMan in order to be able to control the loop feedback. For a change, I spent yesterday playing around with this mode and came across some surprising features. Note that some of these require rapid changes of feedback level - Bob, is there any way of modifying thisngs so that one can change from feedback #1 to 16 by clicking one step antickockwise? Anyway.... 1. MULTIPLY EXISTS ON THE JAMMAN. Set up a loop of, say 5 seconds by setting Feedback (Fb) to 16 and tapping that duration out. Play your loop. As it starts to repeat, tap to start the replacement (ie extended) loop. Wait til your short loop has been around 4 times, ie 20 seconds, than TAP again. The new loop is 4 copies of the short loop long. Use Fb less than 16 if you want to vary the repeat level, but Fb16 will hold the loop without fading. 2. IT WORKS THE OTHER WAY AROUND TOO. Take the above 20-second loops and TAP so that the start and stop points cover a single small loop. THe new loop is now the same size as the samll loop (ie 5 sec). Tthis is really useful for changing the tempo of a piece - build up a chord sequence, then end it by looping just one chord. Alternatively, use /2, /3 or /4 to chop the loop up in a pseudorandom fashion. 3. YOU CAN LOOP _AND_ DELAY. Set the feedback to about 6, delay time .5 sec (for example). This gives a regular DDL effect. Then TAP on, play your loop with the DDL effect. When the loop is finished, tap off and get the Fb to 16 RIGHT AWAY. The new loop will feature the original signal with the delay effect - ie two effects in one! Wow! 4. OTHER COOL STUFF TOO. You get full contol over feedback, so you still get to remove bits of the loop by dropping the Fb to 1 for those bits. Or use a combination of Fb and chop to go from looping to playing off a delay in a "seamless" manner. And lots of other things; hey, this is after one day's experimentation! Now this seems to provide a lot of the features so beloved of EDP users (perhaps even more! :) - feedback control, multiply and divide (and not just in a fashion dictated by loopsize, but freeform), loop+delay. All that's required to make it ideal would be the rotary that gets to Fb 16 more easily and a loop bypass - as things stand you'll need to use an AB box to stop everything you play being looped. Any chance of a quick'n'dirty mod for changing the Bypass pedal function to loop input bypass rather than loop output, Bob? :) Michael From ???@??? Sun Mar 22 13:36:45 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 22 12:51:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGrhv-00057W-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:51:03 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:39:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Michael asks about looping technique...(long post) Resent-Message-ID: <"E9L_QD.A.HgE.MkXF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4490 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:51:03 -0800 X-UIDL: e55c6c59e4beb8b954b9813dacb2d508 At 11:26 AM -0500 3/21/98, Fmplautus wrote: >Then there is the question of sequencing and fading loops. The Echoplex has a >"feedback" dial, which would be more accurately titled "ripple" because it >spreads and dissipates your loops like a pebble tossed in a pond. The Jamman >also has this available but with fewer rippling possibilities (16 via midi >pedal as opposed to 99 with the dial on the front panel of the echoplex). How It's actually 256 levels of feedback available from the front panel feedback knob on the Echoplex, or 128 if you use a midi continuous controller. And to sort of answer Matthew's question, feedback is from the old universe of delay effects. The feedback setting causes the delayed sound to be reduced in volume by a certain amount each time it repeats. In that sense it is generally used to set how long the delay would last. That concept was applied to looping in some devices. When dealing with longer loops this becomes a very powerful technique for making your loop evolve into something new over time. (which Michael was very happily discovering in his nice, actually on-topic post...:-) When you've built up a loop, it will have certain elements that dominate and give it a particular character. You turn the feedback down a bit, and those things slowly begin getting quieter. Then you begin adding new elements to the loop, which will be relatively louder since they have not had any feedback applied. With each repetition you add a little bit more to realign the loop in a new direction. Those new elements will then begin dominating the loop, and the character will steadily change. When it has changed to something you like, you set the feedback up to maximum so the level does not reduce with each repeat anymore. It gives a nice evolving effect to the loop, and is a very powerful and expressive tool. By actively controlling the feedback, you can control how quickly this evolution occurs. Interestingly, this sort of effect is not readily available in the typical sampler, and it would be a bitch to manage in a sequencer. Consequently, I almost never hear people who primarily rely on sequencers and samplers using this evolutionary approach to loops. They tend to have more abrupt changes with their loops, where something immediately disappears and is replaced by something else. DJ's and remix artists seem to get it, I imagine because they are so used to managing everything with mixer faders. In that case though, it's mostly crossfading. The new loop is gradually mixed in, but from the start the whole thing is there. You rarely have moments in between where you don't notice that it is actually two loops playing at once. With the feedback/evolving approach, you can create the new loop in little bits at a time, so it is not clear what it will eventually be until it gets there. And all along the way, each "evolution" of the loop will likely be an interesting thing itself. It can be very different from crossfading, and very expresssive and creative, which is why people get into it so much! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Mar 22 13:36:49 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 22 13:28:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGsHn-00009Q-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:28:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980322132534.009ab470@pop.nwlink.com> X-Sender: jt@pop.nwlink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:25:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: JT Subject: Re: brown25, sample sites, Loop/Sample Info In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980322114804.00693c54@mail.utexas.edu> References: <199803220846.DAA12111@mail.ramlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vlZYBC.A.GPH.ZHYF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4491 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:28:07 -0800 X-UIDL: e9846f452c79903fff7e7b3be7ec7921 At 11:48 AM 3/22/98 -0600, Matthew Hahn wrote: >Is pitch dependent on speed? That would seem pretty hard to deal with, >unless you let tempos be off? Some apps allow you to do time stretching/shrinking without affecting pitch, or pitch shifting without affecting time. Alchemy for the Mac comes to mind, but it has been about three years since I played with it. Alchemy was also good for midi sample xfers, where you took a sound on the mac and uploaded it via midi to a sampler (in my case a Roland S-550), or downloaded from the sampler to the Mac for archiving or further aural hacking. From ???@??? Sun Mar 22 14:03:58 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 22 13:50:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGsdS-0001kc-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:50:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199803222152.QAA02869@mail.ramlink.net> From: "brown25" To: Subject: Re: sample sites, Loop/Sample Info Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:45:32 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HUmtn.A.fNB.8aYF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4492 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:50:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 1650769c4ab01fc70e0f3e7ca0a5af34 ---------- > From: matthew hahn > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: brown25, sample sites, Loop/Sample Info > Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 12:48 PM > > The DAW makes things very > >flexible as far as recording. You can change the sound on each > >track...like make one track go backwards while the rest go > forward....and > also make each go at a different speed...so if a sample is out of the key > >you want, you can slow down/speed up > Is pitch dependent on speed? That would seem pretty hard to deal with, > unless you let tempos be off? Mjh, you can change according to pitch and speed both with SAW +...of course, taking the pitch down drastically does change the speed somewhat....but it's more of a physical post-production thing. Once you get familiar with software like this, you learn tricks to manipulate what you need for the piece...I'm still learning. The tempo may differ slightly in the end....but the average person may not be able to figure it out. I'm just into hodgepodging stuff...if tempos go off....screw it, if it still sounds cool to me. Ultimately, it depends on what you're in to as far as recording goes. thanks for your interest, if you have any other questions, let me know! brown25 From ???@??? Sun Mar 22 18:17:13 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 22 16:15:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGutG-0004pJ-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:14:58 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: Cool JamMan tricks Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:59:14 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd55e6$22418440$0d034382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"m1CIY.A.1NE.OjaF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4494 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:14:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 5c8468717713896103a1ba40a35aab6b Thanks for the jamman tips!!! Reallt appreciate it.......Im dumb...:-) Yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Sun Mar 22 18:17:13 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 22 15:43:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGuPD-00027u-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:43:55 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: Michael asks about looping technique...(long post) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:38:20 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd55eb$98b339c0$0d034382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"bn5tr.A.SqB.9FaF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4493 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:43:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 38ff302ed6d109edeadc8e70fb18734e >When you've built up a loop, it will have certain elements that dominate >and give it a particular character. You turn the feedback down a bit, and >those things slowly begin getting quieter. Then you begin adding new >elements to the loop, which will be relatively louder since they have not >had any feedback applied. Hi kim and co. Just wondering , is this possible to do on my Jamman?? i cna`t seem to find feedback function there. I guess I should try the delay feature instead? Yous , thomas w From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 00:23:46 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 22 22:05:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yH0MA-000327-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:05:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199803230453.XAA19034@smtp.perigee.net> Subject: Newbie intro Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:56:53 -0000 x-sender: cooldaze@pop.perigee.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: cooldaze To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"CsHre.A.IhC.arfF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4498 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:05:10 -0800 X-UIDL: d052ad15fc6e11057245c3f4109b3a64 Hi guys and gals, Joined the list about a week ago, and just wanted to say hello to everyone. I bought my Echoplex Digital Pro about a year ago and it's sat in the rack without getting much use, frankly because I was so turned-off by the "User's Guide" (ha), that it completely soured me on Oberheim products. Also, the bugs I found contributed to my dissatisfaction. I wasn't aware of Looper's-Delight or perhaps things might have been different. Anyway, I just ordered my v.5 upgrade, so now I'm looking forward to "picking your collective brain" on the art of looping. I've been impressed with Kim Flint's and the LoopDoctor's helpful tips so far. Thanks mucho. -Colin Cooler p.m.s. - David Torn, if you're out there, I bought your album "Tripping.." the other day after seeing your participation on this group (so it does pay after all!) From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 00:23:37 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 22 19:36:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGy1u-00064a-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:36:06 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <74de31df.3515d760@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:30:38 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cool JamMan tricks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"HX_g5C.A.WaF.9fdF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4496 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:36:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 27fa7625c1ab720648527bb190102004 Michael, awesome work on the jamman, anything else? 3rd CD Project Page Regards; John Peters From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 00:23:44 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 22 21:33:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGzrf-0000SU-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:33:39 -0800 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:30:03 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The Dark Aether Project in Baltimore 4/16/98 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"yw6F_B.A.3L.XOfF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4497 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:33:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 47201a8a4644748e0e716bed06ce748a The Dark Aether Project will be appearing on Thursday, April 16th at E. Jay Buggs in Baltimore, MD along with the heavy instrumental fusion of Uncle Gut. Showtime is 9pm. The Dark Aether Project is: Adam Levin: Chapman Stick, Loops, Guitar, Guitar Synthesizer Yaman Aksu: Fretted and Fretless Guitars, Guitar Synthesizer Brian Griffin: Percussion ...with special guest Jason Wilson of Emerald Tiers on vocals Directions: Take 95 to 395 and follow signs for Downtown. Turn right on Conway Turn left on Light Turn right on Pratt Turn right on President Turn left on Fleet Turn right on Broadway The club is on Broadway just past Aliceanna St. The Dark Aether Project debut CD will be on sale at the show. It can also be purchased from: The Laser's Edge: http://www.jersey.net/~lasercd/ Wayside Music: http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/cuneiform.html ZNR Records mail order and... Of Sound Mind (Located in Savage Mill) 8600 Foundry Street Savage MD (301)497-6488 Hours: Wed 12-6/Thu-Sat 12-8 See http://www.ari.net/prog/bands/dap/ for more information and sound samples. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.ari.net/prog/bands/dap/ From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 00:23:49 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 22 23:42:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yH1s6-0001wu-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:42:14 -0800 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:36:13 +0800 X-Sender: clay@mail.iinet.net.au Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Clayton Chipper Subject: echoplex to australia Resent-Message-ID: <"AP0lh.A.dhB.pGhF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4499 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:42:14 -0800 X-UIDL: a8f9208bc2cb87556998d4a86f651601 Im in a live electronic duo who would like to use an echoplex, weve been told it will take 3 months to get one to australia.... anyone got any ideas..know where to get one cheap...we're a bit impatient.....you know how it is! From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 00:23:50 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 22 23:49:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yH1zJ-0002iO-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:49:41 -0800 Message-ID: <092e01bd5630$0a6bd560$b7f1ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: Newbie intro Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 02:48:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"YxOBL.A.yPC.qNhF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4500 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:49:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 47ee0098c2774af7637ae1fcd0bcb13f > >-Colin Cooler > >p.m.s. - David Torn, if you're out there, I bought your album >"Tripping.." the other day after seeing your participation on this group >(so it does pay after all!) > I just bought DT's 'Tripping...' earlier tonight at Border's. I just listened to it through for the first time, and oh my, I think I have a lot to learn...back to the drawing board.. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 10:02:20 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 01:02:56 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yH389-00001m-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:02:53 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yH385-0007Av-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:02:49 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yH383-00000n-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:02:47 -0800 Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <35162410.F07862CD@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:57:52 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Cool JamMan tricks References: <3.0.1.16.19980322120936.0f6780e2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4q14LB.A.PBH.MSiF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4501 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:02:47 -0800 X-UIDL: d18f5010f5ce8a966c59a3041b5b0ee9 Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: > 1. MULTIPLY EXISTS ON THE JAMMAN. > 2. IT WORKS THE OTHER WAY AROUND TOO. The trouble I've found when trying to do this sort of thing is that you often get a nasty click when you re-set the loop time. Unless you know a cunning way to stop this? For me the major drop-off with the JamMan is that you can't loop in delay mode and then play over the loop like you can in loop mode - ie. in delay mode there's no way of stopping what you play adding to the loop. cheers, -- Os os@scee.sony.co.uk os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 10:02:46 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 04:32:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yH6Of-0005h1-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 04:32:09 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:48:28 +0000 Message-ID: <000FA718.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: A job for MIDI? [was: Cool JamMan tricks] To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"3JhFYD.A.WIF._WlF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4504 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 04:32:09 -0800 X-UIDL: e01e218cad141bd4de03c3effefe2024 thomas w wondered about the feedback function on his JamMan and Michael Phd wanted to know about a quick way to change from feedback #1 to 16 These are both controlable via MIDI. To reduce the level of an exisiting Loop, and then add new material so its in the foreground (sort of thing), you can use one of the three "fade" options (Pgm Chg #s 9, 10 or 11 according to the manual p26*), let it `decay' to taste, then start up again. In Echo mode, switching from #1 to 16 uses Pgm Chg #s 9 and 17. Always supposing you have MIDI of course...anyway, I'm off home early to try all Michael's suggestion this evening! Cheers David * The manaual's at From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 10:02:37 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 02:35:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yH4Zh-0005q1-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 02:35:25 -0800 Message-ID: <35164852.B5668C81@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:32:38 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stick amp References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wfD1K.A.rUF.8pjF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4503 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 02:35:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 13b1bc2e0069da3411893cc85379814d I use two pramp running into a mackie mixing desk (with als guitar out, vg-8 out...) and effect on the desk, as well as jam man. Everything in then running into either monitors or KB 300 Peavey keyboard amps.` Oliver Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 10:02:54 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 05:17:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yH76q-0000yu-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 05:17:48 -0800 From: Anthony Bowyer-Lowe To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: Michael asks about looping technique...(long post) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:13:07 -0000 Message-ID: <01bd5655$0a338780$LocalHost@amudarya> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Hjg_4B.A._q.oBmF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4505 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 05:17:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 3b6e4bb9f274c01416345c6275c4e88d Kim Flint on evolving loops using feedback: >Interestingly, this sort of effect is not readily available in the typical >sampler, and it would be a bitch to manage in a sequencer. Consequently, I >almost never hear people who primarily rely on sequencers and samplers >using this evolutionary approach to loops. They tend to have more abrupt >changes with their loops, where something immediately disappears and is >replaced by something else. Unless you're reprogramming something like a 606/707/808/909 drum box in realtime. Adding or removing triggers, moving accents, fading in and out certain sounds give a certain evolutionary quality to sequenced music. Also can be done with the SCI Studio 440 sequencer/sampler/drum machine where you can choose what sequence is played next, punch in and out of record at any time, have tempo slides (great feature), edit samples while the sequencer is running, mute tracks, yadda yadda yadda... Who composes like this? Well, erm, me, and, erm... Constantly evolving, ynohtnA. -- Anthony Bowyer-Lowe <= The Essence Of Anthony. http://www.amudarya.demon.co.uk/ (Updated: 01/98) From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 10:03:15 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 08:37:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHADq-0002OQ-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:37:14 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Lawrence, Douglas T" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Recently Posted For Sale Items Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:11:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"74rR-D.A.kJB.91oF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4506 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:37:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 6236535ec9c1d3a5367564b427e1f3a3 Subject: huge studio sale From: dc01@aol.com (DC01) Date: 1998/03/23 Message-ID: <1998032304392800.XAA04429@ladder01.news.aol.com> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth Sony D7 delay - $725 (cost $1695 new) Sony R7 reverb - $625 Alesis Quadraverb 2 - $395 Lexicon Alex - $215 Boss SE-50 - $195 (2) Lexicon Vortex - $225 each Digitech Time Machine -$79 Delta Labs Effectron III - $139 DBX166 - $189 (2) Joe Meeks VC3 ProChannel - $329 each From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:52:36 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 11:33:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHCyL-0007Ps-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:33:25 -0800 Message-ID: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F63C@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: About looping technique... Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:40:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"0SDmh.A.zUG.2erF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4512 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:33:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 1f1e9c14c407b2f8670d4de029f62d10 At the risk of stating the obvious, I've found that a few things can help my looping. 1. Be relaxed 2. Mistakes can be doors into the unexpected, go through some of them and see what you find. 3. Try having a strategy or purpose to each moment 4. Conversely, don't evaluate or think too much, let stuff flow. You can evaluate it all later. 5. Get familiar with your gear and what sounds you can evoke. 6. Do it regularly. One month of looping 2-hours a day will do more for your looping than anything else. 7. When you get familiar with what you're able to do, try looping in the context of other musicians. That's a whole other skill. 8. Try recording what you do, you'll see similarities from piece to piece. This could be your style. Or, you could notice what you're NOT doing. Gives you a choice to change, either way. 9. Have some fun with looping at least some of the time. Keep the child in you alive if you can. Have fun. David From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 10:03:16 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 09:32:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHB4w-00016Z-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:32:06 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: brown25, sample sites, Loop/Sample Info Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:07:07 +0100 Message-ID: <19980323160706203.AAA236@modem11.dinonet.it> Resent-Message-ID: <"S90Hh.A.HH.4qpF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4508 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:32:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 748439cf1bd9f93d9455df9d6d20ee3a At 11.48 22/03/98 -0600, you wrote: > The DAW makes things very >>flexible as far as recording. You can change the sound on each >>track...like make one track go backwards while the rest go >forward....and >also make each go at a different speed...so if a sample is out of the key >>you want, you can slow down/speed up until it is on. > >Is pitch dependent on speed? That would seem pretty hard to deal with, >unless you let tempos be off? > >I think it's interesting how you make what you have work for you, thanks >for the info, it did help! >Mjh > Hi Mjh My current DAW setup allows me to work with samples and multitracking in various way. I use a lot Cubase VST, mostly for the real time FX and plugins. Soundforge, Wavelab, rebirth, cooleditpro and a lot more too. I'm waiting for my Gina sound card to use along the "old" awe 64 GOld. The Gold is used mainly for its internal sample memory. Recording with it is not suggested (noisy inputs). I'm working on various projects. The most important is drum'n bass tracks with vocals and Stick loops. the setup works well for this. And the flexibility is enourmous. let me know if you have any questions. ciao leo From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:52:26 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 11:01:56 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHCTo-0003jg-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:01:52 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHCTm-0006dW-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:01:50 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHCTa-0003hy-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:01:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:33:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000AAA8A.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Cool JamMan tricks To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"zW4oo.A.S9B.65qF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4510 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:01:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 6d3e85b1793c46f6d47128c9ef632eb2 Someone said this... >>For me the major drop-off with the JamMan is that you can't loop in >>delay mode and then play over the loop like you can in loop mode - ie. >>in delay mode there's no way of stopping what you play adding to the >>loop. >Absolutely - I'm trying to get around that using an AB box. BTW anybody >know of a convenient 1U mixer? I only need to add 2 inputs, no FX loops, >maybe some EQ - basically the preamp from a small PA. Anything to get the >JM and bypass signals knotted back together again - and something more >convenient than a flatmount mixer like the Spirit Folio. >Michael What about a volume pedal before the input to the Jammie? It has to be mixed in parallel to do this. It would work fine on an aux buss. -Miko From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 10:03:16 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 09:09:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHAjD-0006Eg-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:09:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:58:01 -0800 Message-ID: <000AAB5B.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: ProjecKt 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"vQZvW.A.EAF.EWpF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4507 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:09:39 -0800 X-UIDL: f2bd41983cc0846db2bbcb5706b49bdc ProjecKt 2 w/Fripp, Belew and Gunn was pretty awesome friday night! Pretty slammin' grooves with a *LOT* of bottom end. Fripp's setup with 4 TC 2290's as well as at least one Eventide Harmonizer really throws the gauntlet for versatility and functionality. The Switchblade audio patcher will repatch you in any order; do smooth x-fades, etc. They're a couple grand, but nothing else even comes for versatility. I didn't get a great view of his pile on the floor, but he is using the Rocktron All Access controller. I didn't see the Ground Control. I also didn't manage to see what his preamps were. Can anyone else help here? It's obvious that either Fripp or some slaving techie type has programmed the hell out of all of his boxes! He gave his pitch transposers a very heavy workout. And what a mess on the floor. Belew and Gunn came on and Wham... they were grooving over the mutating loops. Belew was the *drummer* for this project. I didn't manage to get over to Gunn's gear, but he sounded great as well. I'd like to know if they had their clocks synched... Gunn would quickly throw down a bottom loop and begin grooving over it as well as soloing in the higher registers at times. Fripp was there early, looping away while all the gear freaks crawled around the front of the stage like army ants. Nice spacey, complex, intricate webs of sound. Synth as well. This went on for around a half hour, with the crowd looking like a gang of implantees from the X-files, all out in a field waiting for the mother ship. They played an encore... Vroom, with Fripp using a xylophone patch from his git-synth. Pretty silly. The song still sounded good though. This tour is a good one to catch if you really need a dose of pure Fripp guitar rippage. Mostly big fat loopage over pounding grooves with lots of high voltage soloing by Gunn and Fripp. This show came at a good time for me, after all that *other* Fripp discussion! Cheers, -Miko PS: My wife Katie and I were able to hook up with fellow LD contributor Laurie Hatch and her SO Rem! We had a great time at a great show. Loop collaborations in the near future are imminent... From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:54:19 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 23:04:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHNlM-0007kR-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:04:44 -0800 Message-ID: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2928B778@NTSRV2> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Lexicon PCM 80 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:08:23 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"EW9iyB.A.22G.ko1F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4533 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:04:44 -0800 X-UIDL: a4b49f17ed563c4779e90dc00dc4f7bf Thomas W wrote: "I`ve been drooling over the PCM 80 , coz of the diffusion knob that (alledgedly) takes away the top end of the delay , thus enabling me to become "tape echo boy" in a digital domain. > Are these beuties rare and hard to find? > What should I expect to pay if I ever find one? > Are there any other (posibly cheaper) machines that has a similar > function that alters the > delays high end and not the original signal??? > Would it look good above my Jammam / Latex alliance in my rack? and > thereby form > a trinity , touched by the grace of god??? Or should I get a job > flippin`burgers at McD`s???" > Thanks for the interest Thomas. We recently started shipping the PCM81 which is a replacement product for the PCM80. The PCM81 will pass AES/EBU words of up to 24 bits where the PCM80 will pass SPDIF signals of 20 bits for reverb or 18 bits for delays. The PCM80 uses PCMCIA ROM cards that allow you to load new algorithm cards(dual FX, pitch FX and vocal fix cards). The PCM81 has all of the algorithms that were made available for the PCM80 resident internally. The PCM81 also has a PCMCIA card that could be used for upgrading though Ii am not aware of any current plans to do so. It is entirely possible that the release of the PCM81 will introduce more used PCM80s into the market. Our MPX 1 allows you to roll off the signal in a number of different ways. It has SPDIF in and out and may be a cheaper alternative for you. Either the PCM80, PCM81 or the MPX 1 will look smashing in the same rack as your JAMMAN:>) Our Norwegian distributor, Siv. Ing Benum, should be able to steer you to the closest retailer who can demonstrate these products for you. Their phone number is 22 139 900. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 10:03:30 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 09:52:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHBO9-0003UQ-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:51:57 -0800 Message-Id: <199803231739.JAA06894@sonic.sonic.com> Subject: EDP Brother/Cascade switching Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 09:35:02 -0800 x-sender: andy_wolpert@pop.sonic.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Andy Wolpert To: "Loopers Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"eMjnsB.A.QWC.T9pF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4509 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:51:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 2f51362cfd984cc37350274adf2bd951 I sometimes want to use my pair of EDPs in brother synch mode mode, and then switch fairly quickly into a mode where the output of one is fed into another. The main problem is that I need to to reconnect the output of one unit to fedd into the other. Another problem is the foot switch is connected a unit which sends MIDI to the other. I know I should get a third or fourth unit but that seems excessive. Does anyone have novel ways to do this type of mode switching? __ _/\_ / \___/ \______ \ Andy Wolpert \__ | Sonic Solutions \ / awolpert@sonic.com / | (415) 893-8043 / \___ __ ___/ \__/ \_____/ From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:52:51 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 12:13:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHDbR-0004NP-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:13:49 -0800 Message-ID: <3516A0C8.FD2C36BE@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:50:00 +0100 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP Brother/Cascade switching References: <199803231739.JAA06894@sonic.sonic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JnGHR.A.RGD.BBsF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4514 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:13:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 69e755e8927a29bc691b7aef92f23443 Andy Go to WWW.soundsculpture.com they have exactly what you need :the switchblade 16/16 matrix switcher vol controler it even will switch the channels of your amp/preamp .... If its working for RF it will be working for you ;-) Claude Andy Wolpert wrote: > > I sometimes want to use my pair of EDPs in brother synch mode mode, > and then switch fairly quickly into a mode where the output of one is fed > into another. > > The main problem is that I need to to reconnect the output of one unit to > fedd into the other. From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:52:45 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 11:56:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHDKv-0002O3-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:56:45 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803231739.JAA06894@sonic.sonic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:49:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: EDP Brother/Cascade switching Resent-Message-ID: <"_8KD4B.A.xUB.ZyrF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4513 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:56:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 9f46185f89f8b6377f74a1cbc49f008a Andy wrote: > I sometimes want to use my pair of EDPs in brother synch mode mode, >and then switch fairly quickly into a mode where the output of one is fed >into another. >The main problem is that I need to to reconnect the output of one unit to >fedd into the other. Another problem is the foot switch is connected a >unit which sends MIDI to the other. > >I know I should get a third or fourth unit but that seems excessive. > >Does anyone have novel ways to do this type of mode switching? You can solve the aidio routing problem by using a mixer with 2 fx loops. Put a EDP on each fx loop and then EDP output back into mixer input channels. This way you can send one EDP signal to the other via the fx sends. Re: your footswitch problem: of course, you need to be able to send the footswitch commands SEPARATELY to each EDP, which it sounds like you can't do. I use one EDP foot controller to control two EDP's by using an A/B box (with grounds lifted). I'm not sure how you'd do this with a MIDI footswitch....perhaps you have the EDP's receive on separate MIDI channels, and switch between them with you MIDI unit...?...? good luck, - chris __________________________________________________ Chris Chovit avec@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov AVIRIS Experiment Coordinator pager #: (888) 415-4547 From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:52:28 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 11:23:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHCp1-0006F9-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:23:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:11:07 -0800 Message-ID: <000AAEAF.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[3]: Cool JamMan tricks To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"t0zSbC.A.FAF.AUrF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4511 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:23:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 3237319c5b1f731ce91791e34917637d >Absolutely - I'm trying to get around that using an AB box. BTW anybody >know of a convenient 1U mixer? I only need to add 2 inputs, no FX loops, >maybe some EQ - basically the preamp from a small PA. Anything to get the >JM and bypass signals knotted back together again - and something more >convenient than a flatmount mixer like the Spirit Folio. >Michael Hi Michael... I got snaggled up with my mailer and had to bail before I got into more detail. I have a 1U splitter / mixer by Rane. The SM26. It is a 6 channel mixeer which can be used as a splitter as well. It can take a stereo input signal from the main stereo inputs and that can be SENT via any of the 6 channels (each with pan control for balance of the input mix) and RETURNED to any other channel. With something mono like the JamMan you only use 2 of the 6 channels to do this. You have convenient front panel send and return knobs which you can crank when you need to kill the input / output etc. You could feed the send to a volume pedal before it got to the JamMan so you'd have something on the floor to control input to the unit. This leaves you 4 more channels to use for other dsp sends or returns. The SM26 is really basic in many ways, but it does the splitting re-mixing thing differently than most of what's out there. It was the workhorse splitter / mixer for most of the Bradshaw rack setups for years. -Miko From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 10:02:31 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 01:56:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yH3xv-0003cu-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:56:23 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980323113553.253731fc@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:35:53 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Cool JamMan tricks In-Reply-To: <35162410.F07862CD@scee.sony.co.uk> References: <3.0.1.16.19980322120936.0f6780e2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1KpKyC.A.hKD.4EjF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4502 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:56:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 27627d0afe75f6745a3e8b7f06372da7 Os wrote: >> 1. MULTIPLY EXISTS ON THE JAMMAN. >> 2. IT WORKS THE OTHER WAY AROUND TOO. >The trouble I've found when trying to do this sort of thing is that you >often get a nasty click when you re-set the loop time. Unless you know a >cunning way to stop this? I've had some clicks appear when using the divide-by function on the front panel sometimes, but I've not noticed any when using TAP to change the loop length. Of course, I may have been too blissed out to care.... :) But really, I've not noticed clicks on that function. >For me the major drop-off with the JamMan is that you can't loop in >delay mode and then play over the loop like you can in loop mode - ie. >in delay mode there's no way of stopping what you play adding to the >loop. Absolutely - I'm trying to get around that using an AB box. BTW anybody know of a convenient 1U mixer? I only need to add 2 inputs, no FX loops, maybe some EQ - basically the preamp from a small PA. Anything to get the JM and bypass signals knotted back together again - and something more convenient than a flatmount mixer like the Spirit Folio. Michael From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:53:00 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 12:55:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHEFq-0001S8-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:55:34 -0800 Message-ID: <3516CA17.464E@princeton.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:46:15 -0500 From: "Adam H. Ollendorff" Reply-To: olendorf@princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jamman X-URL: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"y7f8dC.A.DX.sosF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4515 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:55:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 13890c4de0eb61ea536fb1ead04e9e5d I'm looking for a lexicon jamman. Can anybody help? Thanks From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:53:07 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 13:57:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHFDE-0000aS-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:56:56 -0800 Message-ID: <19980323214022.1239.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Soundsite Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:40:22 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"6CW8M.A.D-G._itF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4516 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:56:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 03e131f30b952aad1e2d5f560cacfad3 Hola Groovers- Thought you might like a website that Scanner hooked me up to for various sound arts. Check out the links, the toy looper, and the history of voice mail sections! http://sysx.apana.org.au/soundsite/ selam, buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:54:02 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 19:06:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHK2O-0004e9-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:06:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3516E9E5.40DE@pop.interport.net> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:02:02 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Phenomenon References: <2.2.32.19980324021820.00a1dd88@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WrPv8B.A.bhD.gFyF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4530 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:06:04 -0800 X-UIDL: ba294f979069a27b168ebdcd9b7f9c20 Who would care to take a shot? Compare looping with soundscaping. Differences & similarities. What's the difference technique, gear, attitude or creativity? I haven't looped yet but do play space with series of delays and analog effects. I'm of the mind of attitude and style. What do you think? From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:53:29 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 15:20:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHGVW-0001yW-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:19:54 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <9f086c77.3516eb44@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:07:46 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Cool JamMan tricks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"SGCZ7B.A.Qo.YuuF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4517 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:19:54 -0800 X-UIDL: d6444f2a43069f8b4ae78bb10860978e In a message dated 3/23/98 9:01:50 AM, Os wrote: <> Yes but you can "delay mode" in "loop mode" by initiating a midi fade while in "record mode" of "loop mode" after your in/out loop points (ie: loop length) have been set. Got it? ;-). - Paul From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:53:30 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 15:21:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHGXA-0002BI-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:21:36 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <82150959.3516eb75@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:08:35 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Cool JamMan tricks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"nP_PNC.A.Ru.HvuF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4518 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:21:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 19a222eeee62becc008ac944519918c2 In a message dated 3/23/98 9:01:50 AM, Os wrote: <> Yes but you can "delay mode" in "loop mode" by initiating a midi fade while in "record mode" of "loop mode" after your in/out loop points (ie: loop length) have been set. Got it? ;-). - Paul From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:53:33 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 15:57:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHH5q-0006JE-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:57:26 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: Phenomenon Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:43:19 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd56b5$752d1500$9c024382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"74MN1C.A.5oE.3QvF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4519 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:57:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 9cc0ce618b41df538e79106c5618962c Hi , I have noticed a strange phenomenon that occurs after I have showed my Jamman/Vortex setup to fellow guitarists: They all LOVE it!! They go: "WOW! COOL WHERE D`YA GET THAT?". But the strange thing is: none of them ever makes any attempt to locate a looping device or check out the technology behind it. Its like they see me looping - think it`s cool- and classify me as an "experimental guitarist" - forget about the whole thing - and goes back to practicing double-stops and hammer-ons. Are we doing something that most people finds as a nice , but scary and dangerous activity? Yours , Thomas From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:53:38 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 16:27:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHHYF-0001im-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:26:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199803240015.QAA09287@sonic.sonic.com> Subject: Re: Beyond Mono and Stereo Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 16:23:12 -0800 x-sender: andy_wolpert@pop.sonic.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Andy Wolpert To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"bQ2XkD.A.p1.twvF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4520 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:26:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 5715c6dccc08c23ea702c7399cbb8c3c >(The helicopter flies RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD!!!!....ooooo...) Unfortunately 5.1 surround does not allow for a ceiling mounted speaker. I suppose you could approximate it by with careful application of a head transfer function adding some of the sound out of phase into the sub-woofer. __ _/\_ / \___/ \______ \ Andy Wolpert \__ | Sonic Solutions \ / awolpert@sonic.com / | (415) 893-8043 / \___ __ ___/ \__/ \_____/ From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:27:21 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 01:49:02 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHQKK-0005Fx-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:49:00 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHNTF-0002gC-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:46:01 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHNT7-0005jv-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:45:53 -0800 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:30:11 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199803240030.AA09037@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Cool JamMan tricks Resent-Message-ID: <"TVLUzB.A.bxE.UV1F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4532 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:45:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 4aaa63212ff6e216fc1c551e5fa1ed6e ><delay mode and then play over the loop like you can in loop mode - ie. >in delay mode there's no way of stopping what you play adding to the >loop. >>> > >Yes but you can "delay mode" in "loop mode" by initiating a midi fade while in >"record mode" of "loop mode" after your in/out loop points (ie: loop length) >have been set. Got it? ;-). - Paul But with only 3 settings instead of 16, which is just silly. I can't imagine why the Jamman's MIDI setup got limited that way. The only good reason not to use delay mode seems to be for having multiple loops, but I finally played around with that yesterday (I've been using delay mode for five or six months now without really ever trying the others), and the fact that every time you switch loops you drop out of layer mode pretty much kills it for me... you _have_ to tap in a little after switching loops... so the idea of smoothly building up loops one after the other (i.e. switching loops every measure) doesn't work. Of course, I'm _layer-mode-centric_ in my use of the Jamman, which is perhaps not how it was intended. But here I'm trying to use it in the "jamming" sense, not the textured-layering sense... I want to put down the same riff in three different loops, and then go back through and add a bass-line to each one. So I have to add the bass-line, switch, _wait_ a loop, add the bass-line, etc. To the listener, they hear the bass line stop and start and stop and start, and it just obviously doesn't work. Note that the _first_ time you switch to a loop, it does "stay" in layer mode... that is... it _was_ intended for you to be easily able to immediately add in sound the first time you switch to a loop, because otherwise you'd have to wait in silence. The asymmetry between the first time and the other times bothers me, and gets in the way musically. [This was all done in phrased-loop mode, but I assume the functionality is the same in punch-in loop mode.] Sean Barrett From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:53:41 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 16:36:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHHhl-0002uL-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:36:37 -0800 Message-ID: <3516FEC6.F8551A9F@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:31:02 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Phenomenon References: <01bd56b5$752d1500$9c024382@pentium-200> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GMXDpB.A.mlB.32vF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4521 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:36:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 2f208550bc3c4239b69b5c5fdc7f9c28 Tie a dollar to looping and you could say you had something. that made money!Jeff Woehni wrote: > Hi , > > I have noticed a strange phenomenon that occurs after I have showed my > Jamman/Vortex setup to fellow guitarists: They all LOVE it!! They go: "WOW! COOL > WHERE D`YA GET THAT?". But the strange thing is: none of them ever makes any attempt to locate a looping device or check out the technology behind it. Its like they see me > looping - think it`s cool- and classify me as an "experimental guitarist" - forget about the > whole thing - and goes back to practicing double-stops and hammer-ons. > > Are we doing something that most people finds as a nice , but scary and dangerous > activity? > > Yours , Thomas From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:53:44 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 16:49:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHHuB-0004Ux-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:49:27 -0800 From: Nmb11 Message-ID: <2ef82fb9.3516fed7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:31:16 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cool JamMan tricks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Resent-Message-ID: <"CvlHQC.A.aoC.g_vF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4523 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:49:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 1d792d2bae8bffd4abf1b7d40ab46d82 DON'T SEND YOUR MAIL TO ME ANYMORE THANX :) P.S. SORRY From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:53:46 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 16:50:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHHvG-0004cv-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:50:34 -0800 From: Nmb11 Message-ID: <1108baba.3516fefe@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:31:56 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Beyond Mono and Stereo Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Resent-Message-ID: <"w6sUD.A.4vC.eAwF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4524 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:50:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 5feec23930bff39442bf389f083139ce PLEASE DON'T SEND YOUR MAIL TO ME ANYMORE THANK YOU P.S. SORRY From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:53:44 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 16:49:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHHtv-0004Sj-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:49:12 -0800 From: Nmb11 Message-ID: <76fff3ba.3516ff19@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:32:23 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Phenomenon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Resent-Message-ID: <"SKHyX.A.ekC.B_vF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4522 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:49:12 -0800 X-UIDL: d6414a671ce5839980be076c29b57dbf PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME MAIL ANYMORE From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:53:47 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 17:10:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHIE1-0006xo-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:09:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:35:21 -0800 Message-ID: <000AB3C9.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: Phenomenon To: , "Woehni" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"ShLsR.A.UbF.WWwF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4525 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:09:58 -0800 X-UIDL: dce6feefbd22cd009baf03bfae3157cb Yes we definitely look a little overprocessed to the average guitar folk out there. I've found that for most, the manuals and endless parameters overwhelm. No matter how overwhelmed they are though, you're right... They're impressed! Just a reality check though. How many times have you spent an entire evening tweaking dsp's or even just tone and distortion settings, only to have a bad case of studio sweat n' jitters as well as ear fatigue, and not really *played* anything? (Well, I did move my fingers! And that counts! 8->) With a day job, sometimes it's really easy to be lazy and actually just play your instrument! That said, I just spent an enjoyable evening (the night after the ProjecKt2 show) tweaking an Infinite Reverb setting on my LXP15, attaching an envelope follower to control the threshold to drop slightly on louder notes and allow loop input. At the end of the evening I was grooving to a new patch which requires no foot pedals for input... Then send the loop off to Vortexland and we're really swimmin'! Yours, -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Phenomenon Author: "Woehni" at INTERNET Date: 3/24/98 12:43 AM Hi , I have noticed a strange phenomenon that occurs after I have showed my Jamman/Vortex setup to fellow guitarists: They all LOVE it!! They go: "WOW! COOL WHERE D`YA GET THAT?". But the strange thing is: none of them ever makes any attempt to locate a looping device or check out the technology behind it. Its like they see me looping - think it`s cool- and classify me as an "experimental guitarist" - forget about the whole thing - and goes back to practicing double-stops and hammer-ons. Are we doing something that most people finds as a nice , but scary and dangerous activity? Yours , Thomas From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:53:52 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 17:32:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHIZY-0001lQ-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:32:12 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980324012356.00a62b40@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:23:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Beyond Mono and Stereo Resent-Message-ID: <"clowsD.A.8BB.OvwF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4526 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:32:12 -0800 X-UIDL: f6ecce823aaaae24104fc06a7c5e4d3a At 04:23 PM 3/23/98 -0800, Andy Wolpert wrote: >>(The helicopter flies RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD!!!!....ooooo...) >Unfortunately 5.1 surround does not allow for a ceiling mounted speaker. > >I suppose you could approximate it by with careful application of a head >transfer function adding some of the sound out of phase into the >sub-woofer. > well, golly! I'm sitting here reading the audio chapter of the latest draft of microsoft's PC'99 spec, and guess what they expect to be a standard part of all PC audio solutions in a couple of years? True HRTF 3D audio processing...... you can start dreaming about those 3d soundscapes now, and we'll see if microsoft somehow manages to screw it up or not. It should be included in Windows98, with varying degrees of quality depending on hardware available in the system to support it. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:53:55 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 17:53:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHItb-0004Cm-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:52:55 -0800 Message-ID: <19980324015048.17548.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:50:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Phenomenon To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"p92mVD.A.8DD.rAxF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4527 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:52:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 0e89c2ad9b26ef2c5932a80da1d6b4d0 93 ---Woehni wrote: > > > Hi , > > I have noticed a strange phenomenon that occurs after I have showed my > Jamman/Vortex setup to fellow guitarists: They all LOVE it!! They go: "WOW! COOL > WHERE D`YA GET THAT?". But the strange thing is: none of them ever makes any attempt to locate a looping device or check out the technology behind it. Its like they see me > looping - think it`s cool- and classify me as an "experimental guitarist" - forget about the > whole thing - and goes back to practicing double-stops and hammer-ons. Well, it's been my experience that there are musicians who are gear-heads, and there are those who don't even change their strings! In other words, some people just don't care about the gear. Looping tends to be a "gear" thing. "Effects" (and yes, right now most musicians would consider looping to be an "effect") are simply not considered necessary musical techniques, like learning how to play in time and in key (tune, whatever). And does being an "experimental guitarist" mean that you also don't practice your double-stops and hammer-ons? :-) 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:53:59 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 18:27:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHJRG-0000EJ-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:27:42 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980324021820.00a1dd88@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:18:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Phenomenon Resent-Message-ID: <"8v4V8C.A.QzG.XixF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4528 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:27:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 0bb5c80cf5747ab0ffa75e11a3ace3b5 At 05:50 PM 3/23/98 -0800, Rev. Doubt-Goat wrote: >And does being an "experimental guitarist" mean >that you also don't practice your double-stops >and hammer-ons? :-) hey, I was looping double-stops just the other day, so that I could practice my hammer-ons over it. Damn, if it hadn't been for that fancy-shmancy rack o' gear, it would have been rock n' roll! kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:54:01 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 18:56:22 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHJsv-0003St-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:56:17 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHJsu-000321-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:56:16 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHJsl-0003RV-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:56:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199803240256.VAA00239@mail.ramlink.net> From: "brown25" To: Subject: DAW loopers unite Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:49:39 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TUNOZD.A.1oC.L-xF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4529 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:56:07 -0800 X-UIDL: cdfc1d9ef5fc98a1664a9e40850c1566 Okay, I just joined this list on Friday or so. From last night until today, I've received 30 mails from looper's delight. 29 of them were about the jamman thing, and 1 was about sample/looping/DAW sort of stuff. I'm very supportive of the jam-man people, but would like those of you who are DAW users, or sample loopers to contribute to discussion. Hey I don't mind getting 28 jam-man e-mails if there were some sample/loop stuff mixed in. Please, if you're there, let me know....if not...then I'll quit crowding up the jam-man questions with my insignificant babble...and jump from the list. Hey Leo...your set-up sounds cool. I In my current project, I am using drum loops samples from the internet, and my drum machine..and throwing a whole bunch of moog junk on top..with some other instruments, and various noise......and some goofy lyric sort of stuff too. You are right about flexibility..the DAW kicks ass. It's not even the same ballpark as real-time recording. I noticed that you said that you do work with drum and bass loops. Are these drum loops you create yourself or do you sample? Are you familiar with some of the drum and bass, or breakbeat sites on the internet? dig? brown25 -------------------------------------------------------- brown25 the bionic milk plant brown25@bionicmilk.com www.bionicmilk.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 23 23:54:08 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 23 19:55:08 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHKnn-0002Nm-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:55:03 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHKnn-0005Jb-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:55:03 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHKne-0002MW-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:54:54 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F63C@mail.exapps.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Czukay vs DR. Walker Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:46:53 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"zVGqYD.A.8YB.XzyF1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4531 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:54:54 -0800 X-UIDL: e221191ffb857884e7bc50a2e8fadc63 I would urge anyone to go out & purchase CLASH by Holger Czukay ( no introduction needed) & Dr, Walker ( of Air Liqide)improvised Mesmerizing techno loops & samples for 2 1/2 hours!THis is a good representation of Holgers US tour early last year. I just happened to be in LA to expierence it first hand Any body else see this?THe real deal. I paid $15.99 for 2 discs. Release of year so far. K LAW From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:28:02 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 06:04:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHUJu-0002Ca-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 06:04:50 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: DAW and MIDI Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:01:33 +0100 Message-ID: <19980324140131921.AAA253@modem7.dinonet.it> Resent-Message-ID: <"zIKA7B.A.lvB.Yz7F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4536 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 06:04:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 6f2abc81729ae5f0f09a5e8af282f418 Hi all > >Hey Leo...your set-up sounds cool. I In my current project, I am using >drum loops samples from the internet, and my drum machine..and throwing a >whole bunch of moog junk on top..with some other instruments, and various >noise......and some goofy lyric sort of stuff too. You are right about >flexibility..the DAW kicks ass. It's not even the same ballpark as >real-time recording. I noticed that you said that you do work with drum >and bass loops. Are these drum loops you create yourself or do you sample? > Are you familiar with some of the drum and bass, or breakbeat sites on the >internet? > I hope this is not off topic. After all my Daw setup is built around my looping rig. And the music that comes out is strictly loop based. I avoid to use sample from sites and CDs. I make my own sounds 90% of the times. If I use a sample from a CD I tend to edit and modify the sound to make it unrecognizable. On the Net there are a lot of programs that can help you to work. And a lot of these softwares are freeware. The first that come to mind is, strictly for PC, Hammerhead 1.0 (I know the author signed for Steinberg for further development and next versions of HH). Try it for creating your drum loops. It's simply brillant. For breakbeat and d&b I use my AWE 64 Gold as a sampler. I load my waves (mostly drum kit sounds) in the internal memory and I use those like MIDI datas on a sequencer. My purpose is to create a dense rhytmhic background for my Jamman loops. I sample the best work from my Jamdude on the PC, edit it and put the loops tracks along my rhythm tracks. The results are quite interesting. This approach works well with vocals on, too. You have to be careful in building your loops, key speaking, cause too spacey sequences can be really difficult to sing on. Try to stay a little simpler and have some pitch dominate over the other. Back to MIDI jamman, yesterday I realized one simple but incredible thing (sorry if I'm late....): you can let all the operating functions, normally performed on a MIDI pedalboard, to a software sequencer. Actually (sorry again, I'm really slow.... ;>) you can record via MIDI the program changes you need to loop along a song, connecting your pedalboard to the computer. You hit record on the seq and program all the functions you need (start loop, stop loop, fade 1, replace, etc.) in the right sequence on the pedalboard. Then connect the midi out of the computer to the jamman, and the PC (or mac) will say to the looper what to do while you are free to play without all that dancing on the pedals. The only drawback is that the jamman will follow the MIDI tempo of the seq, but on the Sellon pages, Bob say that you can avoid MIDI tempo transmitting, letting only the program change datas. This could be revolutionary. Imagine that you could only tap the tempo of a song and let all the other pedals stuff to a little laptop. Anyone tryied this kind of approach? ciao leo From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:28:07 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 06:34:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHUmZ-0004ga-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 06:34:27 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:27:36 -0700 From: Tom Johnson To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: Lexicon Vortex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"4PSIQ.A.MJE.aP8F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4537 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 06:34:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 1ef430f756f201598d288bb1ffddee5e Just a quick note to tell everyone that my JamMan has been sold. I had an overwhelming amount of email responding to it, so I apologise if I wasn't able to email each person directly. The Vortex is still available, and prices have been slashed! For sale: Lexicon Vortex, $250. Includes the Lex footpedal with stereo cord, manual, and I'm throwing in the CV pedal I've been using and the stereo cord for it, too. I even have the original box. Tom Johnson From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:28:20 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 07:26:14 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHVad-00027p-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:26:11 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHVac-0005HD-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:26:10 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHVaU-00026W-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:26:02 -0800 Message-ID: <3517D101.6E7F9A8B@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:28:01 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Phenomenon References: <19980324015048.17548.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tA7AnB.A.3iB.w-8F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4538 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:26:02 -0800 X-UIDL: f550a1fba6d38c67b5561b694034ccda Never foget your Chuck Berry!Double stops sound cool looped. Jeff Rev. Doubt-Goat wrote: > 93 > > ---Woehni wrote: > > > > > > Hi , > > > > I have noticed a strange phenomenon that > occurs after I have showed my > > Jamman/Vortex setup to fellow guitarists: > They all LOVE it!! They go: "WOW! COOL > > WHERE D`YA GET THAT?". But the strange thing > is: none of them ever makes any attempt to > locate a looping device or check out the > technology behind it. Its like they see me > > looping - think it`s cool- and classify me as > an "experimental guitarist" - forget about the > > whole thing - and goes back to practicing > double-stops and hammer-ons. > > Well, it's been my experience that there are > musicians who are gear-heads, and there are > those who don't even change their strings! In > other words, some people just don't care about > the gear. Looping tends to be a "gear" thing. > "Effects" (and yes, right now most musicians > would consider looping to be an "effect") are > simply not considered necessary musical > techniques, like learning how to play in time > and in key (tune, whatever). > > And does being an "experimental guitarist" mean > that you also don't practice your double-stops > and hammer-ons? :-) > > 93 > > Rev. Doubt-Goat > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:28:34 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 08:01:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHW8Q-0005vA-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:01:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199803241556.AAA11026@mail.st.rim.or.jp> Subject: Switchers (was Re: ProjecKt 2) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 00:58:59 +0900 x-sender: liminal@mail.st.rim.or.jp x-mailer: Claris Emailer-J 1.1 From: Yoshi matsumoto To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"eCjA8.A.N8E.ie9F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4539 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:01:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 8e173ddf0fce4acb3b6f0cd1593387ef > Pretty slammin' grooves with a *LOT* of bottom end. Fripp's setup with > 4 TC 2290's as well as at least one Eventide Harmonizer really throws > the gauntlet for versatility and functionality. The Switchblade audio > patcher will repatch you in any order; do smooth x-fades, etc. They're > a couple grand, but nothing else even comes for versatility. This brings me to a thought, not 100% loop-related... Assuming that a lot of people here use guitars for looping, how do people manage the patching of various effects units? I was not aware that a switcher like the Switchblade could repatch the *order* or the various effects; are there any other units like that? Is there a site with info on similar devices? I've been looking for such a device for quite a while... Myself, I'm a synth player experimenting with loops, but for performance purposes I run into a lot of situations where I want to repatch the order of effects that I use. I've managed to use my Mackie's sends to cross-feed sources to various effects, but alas there's a limit to changing settings on the fly. >I didn't > get a great view of his pile on the floor, but he is using the > Rocktron All Access controller. I didn't see the Ground Control. I > also didn't manage to see what his preamps were. Can anyone else help > here? His setup seems to have changed quite dramatically; last I saw him (w/ Crimson) he seemed to be using a couple of Korg A1's as well, and I think I saw only a couple of 2290's. > I didn't manage to get over to Gunn's gear, but he sounded great as > well. I'd like to know if they had their clocks synched... Gunn would > quickly throw down a bottom loop and begin grooving over it as well as > soloing in the higher registers at times. Here in Japan both projekt 2 and David Torn (er... I mean B.L.U.E.) are playing one set each on the 9th. Can't wait... it's the first time I'm seeing Mr. Torn live. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Grass doesn't grow on busy streets. -Edvard Graham Lewis * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Yoshi Matsumoto email: liminal@st.rim.or.jp web: http://www.at-m.or.jp/~liminal * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:28:43 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 08:09:03 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHWG2-0006yy-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:08:58 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHWFx-0006sA-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:08:53 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHWFm-0006wj-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:08:42 -0800 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:00:55 -0500 (EST) From: Pete Koniuto To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: jamperson features In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"L_x7bC.A.ajF.Bj9F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4540 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:08:42 -0800 X-UIDL: b485b544ff07240342d055c2a2ce1f7e Dr Hughes, great post. How are things working with further experimentation? I too have a problem with re-tapping when looping in echo mode. I get that nasty click too. Sometimes i can figure out a creative way to incorporate that little artifact, but usually not so i find myself avoiding the possibility. Also, some have suggested turning up the the feedback to 16 (still talking JM here) and then tapping in the loop while playing. But i have always had a couple problems trying this. First, if i turn JM's feedback up to 16 in delay mode before tapping in a "loop" time, it doesn't take long for the default 60msec delay time (or whatever it is) to generate a heck of a lot of noise just from a tiny amount of system noise building on itself. Am i alone with this problem? So, what i then tried was keeping the feedback at 1 while tapping in the loop time AND while playing. But until i hit tap the second time, the delay is still at that very short default setting, which just doesn't sound right on most sounds i'm putting into JM. And as Dr. Hughes observed (to one's advantage in many situations), JM will then loop that delay. So it isn't just the first time you play while tapping in the loop time (again, this is all in the echo mode), but is repeated back at you over and over. Am i making myself clear here? Not sure so i'm asking. What i finally did was get a Digitech midi pedal so i could fade, allowing the loop evolve. But i almost always get a funky little click when sending the fade message while "recording". And if i hit fade while NOT in record, hitting tap to end the fading process often adds a click into the loop. (sigh) Anyone else experience any of this? I like looping in echo mode. I like having more control over the feedback level than just the three in loop mode with midi. And i'm working with a mixer, so the bypass problem isn't really an issue for me. So if anyone has any suggestions on getting around those problems, please do share! It'd be nice to be able to fade in loop mode too though, without leaving any artifacts in the loop using midi. So again, any suggestions would be appreciated. I know, i know, buy an echoplex. And i will some day, when the budget allows. But i'd like to get JM to be working for me as best as possible in the meantime. There was mention of Mr. Sellon's upgrade allowing one to change from loop mode to echo mode and back. Does anyone have any up-to-date info on this? Thanks so much everyone, Pete Koniuto From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:28:51 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 08:40:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHWkq-00035B-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:40:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:27:12 -0800 Message-ID: <000AB9EF.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Lexicon PCM 80 To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , Mike.Biffle@wj.com, "Hogan; Greg (Exchange)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"b_tGNC.A.FJC.vC-F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4541 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:40:48 -0800 X-UIDL: d8b93925adbcc5099bc67323603b72fc Hey Thomas... If you can swing the MPX-1, I'm sure you'll be more than happy. They're ~$1000. Lots of toys in there! A lot of other DSP's allow you to roll off the high end now. My Boss GX-700 does it and that was around $350. There is the Lexicon MPX-G2 which is still in development, but it has 20 secs mono and 10 stereo delay as well as a bunch of guitar specific preamp / distorto stuff. There's been mention of adding more real time loop specific command sets to that long delay line as well. Stay tuned! Watch for those posts from Greg Hogan and Bob Sellon about this unit. (Please guys, stop and type something about this, when it goes into Beta.) *I'm Not affiliated with Lexicon or anyone else! (Although I'd like to be)* All the best -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Lexicon PCM 80 Author: "Hogan; Greg (Exchange)" at INTERNET Date: 3/23/98 12:08 PM Thomas W wrote: "I`ve been drooling over the PCM 80 , coz of the diffusion knob that (alledgedly) takes away the top end of the delay , thus enabling me to become "tape echo boy" in a digital domain. > Are these beuties rare and hard to find? > What should I expect to pay if I ever find one? > Are there any other (posibly cheaper) machines that has a similar > function that alters the > delays high end and not the original signal??? > Would it look good above my Jammam / Latex alliance in my rack? and > thereby form > a trinity , touched by the grace of god??? Or should I get a job > flippin`burgers at McD`s???" > Thanks for the interest Thomas. We recently started shipping the PCM81 which is a replacement product for the PCM80. The PCM81 will pass AES/EBU words of up to 24 bits where the PCM80 will pass SPDIF signals of 20 bits for reverb or 18 bits for delays. The PCM80 uses PCMCIA ROM cards that allow you to load new algorithm cards(dual FX, pitch FX and vocal fix cards). The PCM81 has all of the algorithms that were made available for the PCM80 resident internally. The PCM81 also has a PCMCIA card that could be used for upgrading though Ii am not aware of any current plans to do so. It is entirely possible that the release of the PCM81 will introduce more used PCM80s into the market. Our MPX 1 allows you to roll off the signal in a number of different ways. It has SPDIF in and out and may be a cheaper alternative for you. Either the PCM80, PCM81 or the MPX 1 will look smashing in the same rack as your JAMMAN:>) Our Norwegian distributor, Siv. Ing Benum, should be able to steer you to the closest retailer who can demonstrate these products for you. Their phone number is 22 139 900. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:29:30 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 10:23:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHYM1-0000vY-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:23:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: forbin.syr.edu: msottila owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:38:47 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Sottilaro X-Sender: msottila@forbin.syr.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Phenomenon In-Reply-To: <01bd56b5$752d1500$9c024382@pentium-200> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"G4dZEB.A.yFH.Cg_F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4551 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:23:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 591bc0a2356f9b2932b7b8ed88a8463d Of course we're doing something that people think is scary and dangerous. All really creative endevors are viewed as bad by the general populous. Haven't you noticed this before? Mark. On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Woehni wrote: > > Hi , > > I have noticed a strange phenomenon that occurs after I have showed my > Jamman/Vortex setup to fellow guitarists: They all LOVE it!! They go: "WOW! COOL > WHERE D`YA GET THAT?". But the strange thing is: none of them ever makes any attempt to locate a looping device or check out the technology behind it. Its like they see me > looping - think it`s cool- and classify me as an "experimental guitarist" - forget about the > whole thing - and goes back to practicing double-stops and hammer-ons. > > > Are we doing something that most people finds as a nice , but scary and dangerous > activity? > > Yours , Thomas > > From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:42 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 13:26:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHbCk-0000be-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:25:54 -0800 Message-ID: <3517E2C8.3899@pop.interport.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:43:55 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Phenomenon References: <3.0.1.16.19980324121937.276f5eba@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"llNh8.A.JgG.LICG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4567 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:25:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 3a33e5ae902e72e9b1397a5f040fe7e9 thanks mike for an interesting and insightful response. I'm a hypnotist and plan to use my own loops to help induce trance in my clients. do you have any tips? From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:28:53 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 08:54:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHWyO-0004vo-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:54:48 -0800 Message-ID: <3517E329.2FC@netvigator.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:45:29 +0800 From: Alan Reply-To: alanip@netvigator.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: liminal@st.rim.or.jp Subject: Re: Switchers (was Re: ProjecKt 2) References: <199803241556.AAA11026@mail.st.rim.or.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xm-XwC.A.8vD.6O-F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4542 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:54:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 26d1753896db0a11b62569797229a184 Yoshi matsumoto wrote: > Assuming that a lot of people here use guitars for looping, how do people > manage the patching of various effects units? Manually re-patch. Sometimes, I use a A/B switch to patch my guitar either to FXs (directly to PA) for builting the background loop, or switch to floor stomp boxes (to an tube amp) for solo. > I was not aware that a switcher like the Switchblade could repatch the > *order* or the various effects; are there any other units like that? Is > there a site with info on similar devices? I've been looking for such a > device for quite a while... Well, to my knowledge, this is the only and the most powerful switch (check out http://www.soundsculpture.com/sculpt7.htm for more info) However, it's very expensive. > Myself, I'm a synth player experimenting with loops, but for performance > purposes I run into a lot of situations where I want to repatch the order > of effects that I use. I've managed to use my Mackie's sends to > cross-feed sources to various effects, but alas there's a limit to > changing settings on the fly. Again, the simplest solution would be the Switchblade-16. An alternatively for me is to use my Yamaha O3D which costs slightly more. I set different snap-shot memories to program the FX routes. If you are using a sequencer in performance, you can even have real-time automation. For example, you can fade-in/out not only the sound source(my guitar) but even the send/return paths to processors and my 2 Echoplexes, in-sync with MIDI. > >I didn't > > get a great view of his pile on the floor, but he is using the > > Rocktron All Access controller. I didn't see the Ground Control. I > > also didn't manage to see what his preamps were. Can anyone else help > > here? I think RF used 2 x Roland GP-100. > His setup seems to have changed quite dramatically; last I saw him (w/ > Crimson) he seemed to be using a couple of Korg A1's as well, and I think > I saw only a couple of 2290's. Four TC 2290s if I'm not wrong. > > I didn't manage to get over to Gunn's gear,... For Trey Gunn's equipment, check this out "http://www.treygunn.com/equipment.html" > Here in Japan both projekt 2 and David Torn (er... I mean B.L.U.E.) are > playing one set each on the 9th. Can't wait... it's the first time I'm > seeing Mr. Torn live. Mr. Matsumoto, I've a chance to drop by Tokyo during Mar 27 to 31, is there any concert you can recommend? (I know about the BLUE and ProjeKt 2 shows, too bad that I cannot stay until then.) Alan From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:41 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 13:25:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHbCI-0000Y7-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:25:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3517E34F.3ACB@pop.interport.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:46:10 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FS: Lexicon Vortex References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5-DjH.A.1ZG.jHCG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4564 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:25:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 9e7c240a477f3ecff7023829ba73dcff hi tom lets talk vortex im in nyc where are you? From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:46 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 14:00:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHbk6-0004ti-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:00:22 -0800 Message-ID: <3517E66B.6A31@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:59:23 +0000 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PhermoneMom References: <01bd576e$04e6de20$714c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mIRgz.A.cwD.-sCG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4570 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:00:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 6d9a7a35fcc2554aa328aa09d2f765aa A double-stop is playing two whole notes at the same time sepparated by a string. That is, I think so. If you want to talk about something truely wanky, take my newfound facination with harp harmonics. Mostly I find them facinating because I can finally do them after four years of trying. TDB From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:40 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 13:25:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHbBu-0000Wh-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:25:02 -0800 Message-ID: <3517E703.E19@pop.interport.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:02:02 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fripps preamps References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Fi_hp.A.ubG.tHCG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4566 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:25:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 3fd1ff02bd62b31a1880bf9ee75cf034 I'm with you jesse I've been playing gtr for 15 years and don't know a double stop, my gues is some sort of cheezy Page pulloff. From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:29:02 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 09:17:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHXJg-00004Z-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:16:48 -0800 Message-ID: <3517E729.29D0@netvigator.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:02:33 +0800 From: Alan Reply-To: alanip@netvigator.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nyfac2@nyfac.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Switchers (was Re: ProjecKt 2) References: <199803241556.AAA11026@mail.st.rim.or.jp> <3517E329.2FC@netvigator.com> <3517A070.48@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pNvbpC.A.1DG.Gg-F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4543 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:16:48 -0800 X-UIDL: a7466fd5494b7f5a08be04be60b04027 tdbajus wrote: > > Doesn't Bob Bradshaw make a switcher as well? > > Trev You are absolutely right. I almost forgot. For others, please check this out for the config if interested: http://www.phish.net/PhishFAQ/bguitar-legend.html From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:42 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 13:25:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHbCJ-0000YD-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:25:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3517E77D.1285@pop.interport.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:04:04 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... References: <199803241746.JAA05148@gw1.bi-tech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bJ4YpB.A.KbG.qHCG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4565 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:25:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 459830ef6884df0b84301e370bde6a67 Anyone planning on attending project2 shows in NYC and LI? From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:29:04 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 09:20:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHXNR-0000aF-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:20:41 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5704.37450DC0.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:05:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5bHbpC.A.FbG.0i-F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4544 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:20:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 26e8d4c3c97d0b4cf152d801d32f2378 >From: Mike Biffle [SMTP:Mike.Biffle@wj.com] >Sent: Monday, March 23, 1998 8:58 AM > > ProjecKt 2 w/Fripp, Belew and Gunn was pretty awesome friday night! No kidding, WOOWWW. Since Miko covered much of the gear stuff, I'll mostly just mention my general impressions. (Due to a maddening years-long series of unfortunate conflicts, this was the first time I'd heard RF live in literally decades, since early King Crimson. So I was pretty curious, to say the least...) Anyway, here was genius-boy and his wondrous state-of-the-art, red-twinkling toy chest. I really admire the finesse and brilliance with which he uses these tools to transform inspired string vibrations into something other-worldly - and doing it live, no less. The music both fully utilizes and transcends its sources. In my book, that's a fundamental definition of great musicianship. (The same could equally be said of, for instance, pan-pipe and didjeridu virtuosos. In other words, it ain't about the tools, it's all in how you use whatcha got. -- 'Course, I wouldn't mind having another EDP or three, and maybe a couple Eventides, a Switchblade just for fun, in addition to the pan pipe and didj and...then all I'd have to do is learn to *play* the darn stuff...:-) > It's obvious that either Fripp or some slaving techie type has > programmed the hell out of all of his boxes! He gave his pitch > transposers a very heavy workout. And what a mess on the floor. Yeah, no sign of an EZ-plug umbilicus from rack to floor pedalz. Medusa's frolic. I tried to snake in for a close look at Gunn's rack, but the sardine-packed gearheads were superglued to their hard-won tufts of turf. (Gunn's equipment list is at http://www.treygunn.com/equipment.html.) He was playing his 12-string Warr guitar. What a great axe! I'd love to try one out, never have. Who on the list plays one? Will you marry me? You can keep the girlfriend!! :-) (Digression: what'd really be cool is a fretless, although intonation on big chords would be a mutha. Plus, frets would make quite a difference in getting those bright hammered-on tones. Although I once played a fretless bass with an add-on aluminum fingerboard shell that sounded *outrageous*.) Anyway, Gunn did some sweet contrapuntal stuff between high and low strings, the sound and execution were exceptionally clean. He and Fripp set up rock solid grooves; they obviously enjoy playing off each other. RF whipped off a few Karn-esque bass riffs here and there, which made this big-wave freak smile. I particularly liked a tune that was built on simultaneous ascending and descending scales, more or less - TG doing one scale, RF the other. At which point, somebody in the crowd yelled, "You guys are weird!" Well, even Santa Cruz can be provincial... > Fripp was there early, looping away while all the gear freaks crawled > around the front of the stage like army ants. Nice spacey, complex, > intricate webs of sound. Synth as well. This went on for around a half > hour, with the crowd looking like a gang of implantees from the > X-files, all out in a field waiting for the mother ship. Ha ha, great description, Miko. The warm-up loop was much more personal, spontaneous, and unpretentious than typical canned pre-concert mood-setters. RF eased it back on after the encore, as the mother ship was lifting off. > PS: My wife Katie and I were able to hook up with fellow LD > contributor Laurie Hatch and her SO Rem! We had a great time at a > great show. Loop collaborations in the near future are imminent... Yeah, ditto that. Funny how ya can become "old friends" with people you've never actually met before...BTW, Miko turned me on to some reviews of the ProjeKct2 Ventura show that Frippoholics might be interested in. Go down to "Gig Reviews": http://elephant-talk.com/digests/et476.htm Palookaville and SF: http://elephant-talk.com/digests/et477.htm One more thing, for Frisellophiles: As if P2 wasn't enough inspiration for one night, found this used at a great little discount-discjoint before the concert: Smash and Scatteration with Vernon Reid. Holy Cow, wish it were a double - this album is amazing! Doesn't get any better, IMHO. BTW, there's a brief Frisell/Reid rykodisc history at http://www.rykodisc.com/3/catalog/artist/150.html. Click on the Smash and Scat icon for more album specifics. laurie >From jungle-prod@fdgroup.co.uk Tue Mar 24 09:22:04 1998 From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:29:09 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 09:28:31 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHXUq-0001cB-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:28:20 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHXUn-0002Ti-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:28:17 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHXUY-0001a2-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:28:02 -0800 Message-ID: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F657@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Phenomenon Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:12:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"UMFrm.A.3AH.Pn-F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4545 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:28:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 95db00d5284caf6d2d5141b9d95390a3 I know what you mean. In fact I'm almost glad of this phenomenon! -----Original Message----- From: Woehni [SMTP:hovard@online.no] Sent: Monday, March 23, 1998 6:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Phenomenon Hi , I have noticed a strange phenomenon that occurs after I have showed my Jamman/Vortex setup to fellow guitarists: They all LOVE it!! They go: "WOW! COOL WHERE D`YA GET THAT?". But the strange thing is: none of them ever makes any attempt to locate a looping device or check out the technology behind it. Its like they see me looping - think it`s cool- and classify me as an "experimental guitarist" - forget about the whole thing - and goes back to practicing double-stops and hammer-ons. Are we doing something that most people finds as a nice , but scary and dangerous activity? Yours , Thomas From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:29:12 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 09:34:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHXaa-0002Ot-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:34:16 -0800 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: Phenomenon Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:27:10 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd574a$13af64a0$714c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"PVjx7D.A._4.Mw-F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4546 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:34:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 66dd2b736cde6163dad90b3aa58339ca >The Reverend said: >>And does being an "experimental guitarist" mean >>that you also don't practice your double-stops >>and hammer-ons? :-) Excuse me for revealing my naivete, but what's a double-stop? Thanks, Jesse From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:29:19 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 09:52:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHXsR-0004kw-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:52:43 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'loopers delight'" Subject: Fripps preamps Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:39:20 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"kooKGB.A.jND.HC_F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4548 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:52:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 7fad56fbed60450e251cf2e78d7f2a89 >I didn't > get a great view of his pile on the floor, but he is using the > Rocktron All Access controller. I didn't see the Ground Control. I > also didn't manage to see what his preamps were. Can anyone else help > here Last time I saw Fripp, he did not use any amps or preamps, His Fernandes had a GK2 built in and he plugged in to a GR-1 and GR-30. He used the GR-01 to feed the Four tc-2290's for the most part. This was a solo soundscapes a few months back. From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:29:18 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 09:51:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHXr8-0004Zs-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:51:22 -0800 Message-ID: <003a01bd574b$f43f6140$c322dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Phemonemom Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:40:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"pTGYuB.A.-CD.7A_F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4547 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:51:22 -0800 X-UIDL: a36f40362f7d20a9f1b15955c20c3f86 From: Jesse Kudler >>The Reverend said: >>>And does being an "experimental guitarist" mean >>>that you also don't practice your double-stops >>>and hammer-ons? :-) >Excuse me for revealing my naivete, but what's a double-stop? In addition, what is a 'hammer-on'? Sounds like some kinda CB lingo... :) Really, though, is it some kind of finger-tapping technique? Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:35 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 12:22:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHaDB-0000Wy-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:22:17 -0800 Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BD5755.2EE024C0@md55-025.mun.compuserve.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: stretching Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:46:02 +0100 Encoding: 13 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"_DoY_D.A.g0G.MQBG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4559 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:22:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 20a2f9ab9448437248a514e309054a8a What are the best devices (or better even, PC software) to time-stretch samples? I find that I'm more and more interested in researching into / playing with the patterns and structures inherent in natural sounds ... the easiest example would be birdsong, slowed down (without changing the pitch) so that our slow mammal brain can really listen to all those tiny melodic and dynamic details ... really looking very closely at sounds is similar to looking at very small things in a microscope. Remember when you had a microscope as a kid? michael peters mpeters@csi.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:29:22 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 10:03:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHY2m-0006AM-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:03:24 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803241556.AAA11026@mail.st.rim.or.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: Switchers (was Re: ProjecKt 2) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:55:44 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"jkFRM.A._6E.CP_F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4549 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:03:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 08161b9cd3c1597b320efa958fae38ad Ive got a switchblade & would recommend it highly for your application . It is as already mentioned incredibly versatile > Pretty slammin' grooves with a *LOT* of bottom end. Fripp's setup with >> 4 TC 2290's as well as at least one Eventide Harmonizer really throws >> the gauntlet for versatility and functionality. The Switchblade audio >> patcher will repatch you in any order; do smooth x-fades, etc. They're >> a couple grand, but nothing else even comes for versatility. > >This brings me to a thought, not 100% loop-related... > >Assuming that a lot of people here use guitars for looping, how do people >manage the patching of various effects units? > >I was not aware that a switcher like the Switchblade could repatch the >*order* or the various effects; are there any other units like that? Is >there a site with info on similar devices? I've been looking for such a >device for quite a while... > >Myself, I'm a synth player experimenting with loops, but for performance >purposes I run into a lot of situations where I want to repatch the order >of effects that I use. I've managed to use my Mackie's sends to >cross-feed sources to various effects, but alas there's a limit to >changing settings on the fly. > > >>I didn't >> get a great view of his pile on the floor, but he is using the >> Rocktron All Access controller. I didn't see the Ground Control. I >> also didn't manage to see what his preamps were. Can anyone else help >> here? > >His setup seems to have changed quite dramatically; last I saw him (w/ >Crimson) he seemed to be using a couple of Korg A1's as well, and I think >I saw only a couple of 2290's. > >> I didn't manage to get over to Gunn's gear, but he sounded great as >> well. I'd like to know if they had their clocks synched... Gunn would >> quickly throw down a bottom loop and begin grooving over it as well as >> soloing in the higher registers at times. > >Here in Japan both projekt 2 and David Torn (er... I mean B.L.U.E.) are >playing one set each on the 9th. Can't wait... it's the first time I'm >seeing Mr. Torn live. > > > > > >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > >Grass doesn't grow on busy streets. -Edvard Graham Lewis > >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > >Yoshi Matsumoto >email: liminal@st.rim.or.jp >web: http://www.at-m.or.jp/~liminal > >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:30 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 11:41:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHZZu-00033o-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:41:42 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980324115628.006a6a38@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:56:28 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: DAW loopers unite In-Reply-To: <199803240256.VAA00239@mail.ramlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"E61wDB.A.VkB.6nAG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4557 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:41:42 -0800 X-UIDL: a0fda82473ca44a05561f3db0903091f A lot of times things get off topic in here, but you wait long enough, sift long enough and you hear what you want to hear. Actually, I don't know if you are on the looper profile list at Looper's Delight, but I seriously think you should check out the profiles and email them because they may not be reading these postings for the same reason you have for acceding. I personally don't loop except other people's music, i.e. DJing so I tend to keep my mouth shut. I have worked a little with Cakewalk and sequencing but not alone. As I said, I'm interested in what you are doing, really because DAW is kind of just an affordable means and another medium with which to loop/sample. One question I have for you is, what outside of the computer do you run your sound through? Or if you only use the computer, how do you record it by hard copy, tape? minidisc, etc. Do you run your sound system, receiver etc. through your computer for good sound or just use some computer speakers? Thanks! Mjh From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:29:29 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 10:14:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHYDN-0007Xc-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:14:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199803241746.JAA05148@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:07:48 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NIF7rD.A.2AG.fX_F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4550 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:14:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 84b009ba94eba3c04ca95c332a01b018 > > ProjecKt 2 w/Fripp, Belew and Gunn was pretty awesome friday night! Well...looks like I missed meeting Miko and Laurie at P2 concert in SC. Alas! A belated howdy to you!!! Is anyone else disturbed by Fripp's use of cheesy guitar synth sounds? I mean, if *insert studdly keyboardist name here* played the same piano, organ, and marimba sounds that Fripp used people would say "That sounds sucks!" And it does!!! What is so fascinating about a guitarist playing crappy keyboard sounds on a guitar? Okay....obviously this is a personal pet peeve. I just don't get it. Although it was gratifying hearing the much loved Fripp fuzz tone, I left wondering how they could do this gig night after night. With 3 extremely talented and gifted musicians on stage I excepted more than just hallow wanking. I kept waiting for the next level. Perhaps I'm too much of an idealist. People on ET have been raving about "the new vocabulary" P2 is exploring. I heard nothing new. I heard drum sounds straight from ToaPP (Three of a Perfect Pair's "Industry"), soundscaping from Fripp's many recent solo discs, and Gunn's noodling ala his solo discs.... Geezzz....what's my problem????? I think in my own looping I've been searching and struggling for form and structure in my looping compositions. I'm tired of improvised guitar-drones that go nowhere, are lifeless and dead, and brandish the "Recorded live with no overdubs/Completely improvised" tag. BOOORRRRING. I was hoping for enlightenment from the masters. Some clue as to the road less traveled. Matt P.S. That being say, the P2 song directly after the intermission was *very* cool, erie, and sublime. How in the heck was Gunn triggering those vocal samples? IMO, this song hinted at what this group of musicians are capable of. From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 11:36:13 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 10:32:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHYVE-00028Q-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:32:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:17:21 -0800 Message-ID: <000ABC2D.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: Fripps preamps To: "'loopers delight'" , Mike.Biffle@wj.com, "Ott; John" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"m-HOxD.A.dPB.Ir_F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4552 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:32:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 8417d01a35dc79bfc42acfc556b77403 I know that fuzz guitar isn't coming from a synth patch... I've heard him mention the Sans Amp PSA1 and the Digitech GS2101. I just couldn't see them in his rack. What the heck is his preamp? -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Fripps preamps Author: "Ott; John" at INTERNET Date: 3/24/98 11:39 AM >I didn't > get a great view of his pile on the floor, but he is using the > Rocktron All Access controller. I didn't see the Ground Control. I > also didn't manage to see what his preamps were. Can anyone else help > here Last time I saw Fripp, he did not use any amps or preamps, His Fernandes had a GK2 built in and he plugged in to a GR-1 and GR-30. He used the GR-01 to feed the Four tc-2290's for the most part. This was a solo soundscapes a few months back. From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 11:36:16 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 10:41:17 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHYdI-00037y-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:41:08 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHYdF-00061K-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:41:05 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHYd6-00036I-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:40:56 -0800 Message-Id: <199803241829.KAA12066@sonic.sonic.com> Subject: Re: phase cancellation Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 10:37:18 -0800 x-sender: andy_wolpert@pop.sonic.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Andy Wolpert To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"wqAQ-C.A.IJC.uy_F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4553 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:40:56 -0800 X-UIDL: cfaa305247201589d1d3cbc5f7d0a55a >180¡ out of phase, fed into each ear would NOT >cancel psychoacoustically Correct! Phase cancellation only applies to physical waves. The brain would interpret the 180¡ out of phase signals as what is left over after any phsycal cancellation takes place. The brain would also add compensation for head position and anything else it deemed relevant by means of some as yet misunderstood neural net. > somewhere on the web that addresses this subject Good question.... Andy Wolpert Sonic Solutions awolpert@sonic.com (415) 893-8043 From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 11:36:27 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 11:11:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHZ6A-0006pO-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:10:58 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:41:16 -0800 Message-ID: <000ABC8E.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... To: , "Matt McCabe" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"gSlqyB.A.XVF.NMAG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4555 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:10:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 7c6dc4a4e5de7adcff734a5ada82bcc3 Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... Author: "Matt McCabe" at INTERNET Date: 3/24/98 10:07 AM Miko wrote: ProjecKt 2 w/Fripp, Belew and Gunn was pretty awesome friday night! Well...looks like I missed meeting Miko and Laurie at P2 concert in SC. Alas! A belated howdy to you!!! Sorry we missed you! Is anyone else disturbed by Fripp's use of cheesy guitar synth sounds? I mean, if *insert studdly keyboardist name here* played the same piano, organ, and marimba sounds that Fripp used people would say "That sounds sucks!" And it does!!! What is so fascinating about a guitarist playing crappy keyboard sounds on a guitar? Okay....obviously this is a personal pet peeve. I just don't get it. I've often thought that sometimes was a problem as well. It does work quite well for the soudscaping, where it functions in a very layered built up fashion. If you're talking about his marimba and xylophone cheesy jazz vamps, well... Maybe it's Fripp just being his hilarious self! He's funnier than I gave him credit for. (after reading his numerous posts to Elephant Talk.) Although it was gratifying hearing the much loved Fripp fuzz tone, I left wondering how they could do this gig night after night. With 3 extremely talented and gifted musicians on stage I excepted more than just hallow wanking. I kept waiting for the next level. Perhaps I'm too much of an idealist. People on ET have been raving about "the new vocabulary" P2 is exploring. I heard nothing new. I heard drum sounds straight from ToaPP (Three of a Perfect Pair's "Industry"), soundscaping from Fripp's many recent solo discs, and Gunn's noodling ala his solo discs.... Well, maybe it's not exactly a NEW vocabulary, but It's a chance to LOOK for the new, while having a little fun. This tour offered these three persons the opportunity to improvise *together*. Sometimes magic happens, sometimes dreck. But the opportunity* doesn't often present itself. Having the option to go back to the drawing board and spend a year writing and recording a release, then touring to support it... Locked into a fairly scripted progession of songs (possibly with great moments of chance and risk) OR Taking a spring break and cruising out on a month long tour *Jamming with a couple friends to recharge and make "any noise you felt like" playing on a given night... I think I'd like the opportunity to get out there and wank a little. At least there's the chance it could be sublime. Geezzz....what's my problem????? Maybe *you've* been noodling a little too much. No worry. Write a few songs. Keep writing until your sick of writing. Write some more. At some point you'll be wishing you could do a little goofy noodling. I think in my own looping I've been searching and struggling for form and structure in my looping compositions. I'm tired of improvised guitar-drones that go nowhere, are lifeless and dead, and brandish the "Recorded live with no overdubs/Completely improvised" tag. BOOORRRRING. See above. Maybe wank a little harder on the old guitbox. Drones don't necessarily have to drone. They can clank and bang as well. Get out the Whammy pedal! I was hoping for enlightenment from the masters. Some clue as to the road less traveled. The masters are taking a much needed break from repeating "DINO-SOAR!!!" Matt P.S. That being say, the P2 song directly after the intermission was *very* cool, erie, and sublime. How in the heck was Gunn triggering those vocal samples? IMO, this song hinted at what this group of musicians are capable of. I was pretty moved by that one as well. I had a nice seat to sit back and close my eyes, and was transported! I agree with much of what you say Matt. Sure the pounded on and on for a number of tunes. The more I write, the more I realize the importance of leaving chance and risk in the formula, to allow stuff to evolve and grow. How you add structure around the chance, or add looseness to a strict composition is a dilemma we modern electroids all have to deal with. Yours, Miko B. From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 11:36:17 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 10:53:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHYpO-0004jF-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:53:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980324104738.006bce4c@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> X-Sender: cavaleri@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:47:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"d3F9GD.A.-jD.z9_F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4554 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:53:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 717c29d819006829b8cd8af9177dfc92 Hi all, I attended the Ventura show and I have to agree with the review below. Mind you, I have been a Fripp fan since '69. I appreciated the fact that these three musicians were willing to "put it on the line" by improvising live but,. IMHO there was little music peformed that night. joe At 10:07 AM 3/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >> > ProjecKt 2 w/Fripp, Belew and Gunn was pretty awesome friday night! > >Well...looks like I missed meeting Miko and Laurie at P2 concert in SC. >Alas! A belated howdy to you!!! > >Is anyone else disturbed by Fripp's use of cheesy guitar synth sounds? I >mean, if *insert studdly keyboardist name here* played the same piano, >organ, and marimba sounds that Fripp used people would say "That sounds >sucks!" And it does!!! What is so fascinating about a guitarist playing >crappy keyboard sounds on a guitar? Okay....obviously this is a personal >pet peeve. I just don't get it. > >Although it was gratifying hearing the much loved Fripp fuzz tone, I left >wondering how they could do this gig night after night. With 3 extremely >talented and gifted musicians on stage I excepted more than just hallow >wanking. I kept waiting for the next level. > >Perhaps I'm too much of an idealist. > >People on ET have been raving about "the new vocabulary" P2 is exploring. >I heard nothing new. I heard drum sounds straight from ToaPP (Three of a >Perfect Pair's "Industry"), soundscaping from Fripp's many recent solo >discs, and Gunn's noodling ala his solo discs.... > >Geezzz....what's my problem????? > >I think in my own looping I've been searching and struggling for form and >structure in my looping compositions. I'm tired of improvised >guitar-drones that go nowhere, are lifeless and dead, and brandish the >"Recorded live with no overdubs/Completely improvised" tag. BOOORRRRING. > >I was hoping for enlightenment from the masters. Some clue as to the road >less traveled. > >Matt > >P.S. That being say, the P2 song directly after the intermission was >*very* cool, erie, and sublime. How in the heck was Gunn triggering those >vocal samples? IMO, this song hinted at what this group of musicians are >capable of. > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:35 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 12:30:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHaKY-0001Uw-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:29:54 -0800 Message-ID: <003b01bd5756$28ea7560$d76703cf@jonathan> From: "Jonathan Brainin" To: Subject: Re: Switchers Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:53:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"UsvkeB.A.cC.aUBG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4560 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:29:54 -0800 X-UIDL: f40dffcb3515794d8c39d70a69eacb3a I also heartily recommend the Switchblade16 and Studio Switchblade. These are remarkable devices that allow you to do almost anything you could wish, even if your rig makes Fripp's look simple by comparison. For extraordinary realtime (perfomance) control, using a switchblade in conjunction with a Peavey PC1600x is the cat's meow. Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:33 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 11:56:04 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHZnm-0004zF-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:56:02 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHZni-0001eU-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:55:58 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHZne-0004yH-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:55:54 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: where DAW Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:02:54 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd5757$739a3860$0e014382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"y0IGN.A.6nD.a3AG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4558 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:55:54 -0800 X-UIDL: d65a14e8b5e6b4d906d94ceaf73a10f2 Hi folks As usual I jump in at the end of a thread and completely kill it :-) Im shure this has come up before , but where can I get DAW?? I gather it`s freeware?? would it be of any use in my soundblaser awe32 - cubase audio setup?? Thanks in advance , Thomas BTW , thanks for all the replies on my lexicon and phenomenon posts. Geat stuff!! From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:57 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 14:52:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHcXz-0003fP-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:51:55 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: sale! (was. switcher) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:13:18 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd5758$e7816f40$0e014382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"OarlQB.A.9UC.cbDG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4575 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:51:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 313e3802a5708b74e641b8cd74277bd8 >Ive got a switchblade & would recommend it highly for your application . It >is as already mentioned incredibly versatile and incredible expensive....... after joining the list I have gotten some darn expensive cravings: Klein guitars , 4 Tc 2230 , two echoplexes , jbl eon 15s , crown pa amp and switchblade. A Grand stick with midi wouldn`t be so bad , oh and a VG-8 obviously...............(with the ram cards) Would anyone like to buy Norway? It`s in mint condition , bedroom used-only , and manual can be found on manufacturers website. :-) yours , droolingly , Thomas W From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 11:36:32 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 11:29:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHZON-0001Ux-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:29:48 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: SV: Re[2]: Lexicon PCM 80 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:19:40 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd5759$cb22c000$0e014382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"6N_N8.A.Tc.TfAG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4556 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:29:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 969f2472ef35937396547a18d932e55d Hi Mike , I just started working on the Frisell article I promised you (sorry Im so late). Upon closer study I found that the article is worthless (as a learning experience) without the notated examples. Otherwise its just a collection of "meaningless" quotes........ sorry if I got your juices flowin , mike , but I think its just a bad idea.... Sorry , let me know if you`d like the quotes anyway. Yours Thomas From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:43 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 13:41:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHbS0-0002Zb-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:41:40 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199803241926.LAA11449@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:26:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199803241746.JAA05148@gw1.bi-tech.com> from "Matt McCabe" at Mar 24, 98 10:07:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1FgxcB.A.esB.jcCG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4568 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:41:40 -0800 X-UIDL: b2a8c01f566dad09f735edcf3f55d96c > Is anyone else disturbed by Fripp's use of cheesy guitar synth sounds? I > mean, if *insert studdly keyboardist name here* played the same piano, > organ, and marimba sounds that Fripp used people would say "That sounds > sucks!" And it does!!! What is so fascinating about a guitarist playing > crappy keyboard sounds on a guitar? Okay....obviously this is a personal > pet peeve. I just don't get it. I think it is Fripp showing his sense of humor. I recall someone reporting that he played a Hendrix tune using a cheesy organ patch to add a whimsical touch to it. > People on ET have been raving about "the new vocabulary" P2 is exploring. > I heard nothing new. I heard drum sounds straight from ToaPP (Three of a > Perfect Pair's "Industry"), soundscaping from Fripp's many recent solo > discs, and Gunn's noodling ala his solo discs.... Granted I haven't seen Projekt Two live yet (I will tonight at House Of Blues in Los Angeles), so my opinions are based on the double CD set my buddy fetched for me at the Ventura gig. Basically, it sounds like the trio is exploring improvisation in a way very similar to Miles Davis' late 60s projects - most notably those documented in _Bitches Brew_, _In A Silent Way_, _Tribute To Jack Johnson_, and the live recordings with Pete Cosey and Co. (_Live/Evil_, _Pangaea_, etc.) Fripp's soloing style is very different from what I've heard him play with King Crimson or anywhere else. This is the closest we will probably ever hear him come to sounding like a bebop musician. I rarely heard him play bona-fide bebop licks with KC, for example. :) > P.S. That being say, the P2 song directly after the intermission was > *very* cool, erie, and sublime. How in the heck was Gunn triggering those > vocal samples? IMO, this song hinted at what this group of musicians are > capable of. Gunn's Warr Guitar is now MIDI-fied with RMC pickups. I forget his exact rig, however. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:19:35 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 18:34:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHg1E-0000X4-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:34:20 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bd5655$0a338780$LocalHost@amudarya> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:34:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: hardware sequencers / feedback Resent-Message-ID: <"eNi1C.A.BFH.wuGG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4595 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:34:20 -0800 X-UIDL: e968624589fe0efa43c2135936c86987 At 12:13 PM +0000 3/23/98, Anthony Bowyer-Lowe wrote: >Kim Flint on evolving loops using feedback: >>Interestingly, this sort of effect is not readily available in the typical >>sampler, and it would be a bitch to manage in a sequencer. Consequently, I >>almost never hear people who primarily rely on sequencers and samplers >>using this evolutionary approach to loops. They tend to have more abrupt >>changes with their loops, where something immediately disappears and is >>replaced by something else. > >Unless you're reprogramming something like a 606/707/808/909 drum box in >realtime. Adding or removing triggers, moving accents, fading in and out >certain sounds give a certain evolutionary quality to sequenced music. > >Also can be done with the SCI Studio 440 sequencer/sampler/drum machine >where you can choose what sequence is played next, punch in and out of >record at any time, have tempo slides (great feature), edit samples while >the sequencer is running, mute tracks, yadda yadda yadda... oh yeah! I completely agree. A lot of those old hardware sequencers can be great instruments unto themselves, with a lot of cool evolving loop possibilities just in the real-time way that the sequencer works. I think that has a lot to do with why they are so popular now as "vintage" items. Some of it is the sound, but I think the weird interfaces have a lot to do with it and get overlooked. Like the TB-303, which has a really odd interface. That probably had a lot to do with why it was not very popular when it was in production. But I think it just took people a few years to figure it out and figure what they could do with it. And now you see people doing all sorts of creative stuff with that box, and managing to get a lot of variety out of it. I was playing with Rebirth a lot last night, treating it as a loop device more than anything else. I had a great time with that. It has a loop function that lets you set the start measure and the number of measures for the loop. You set that to start looping somewhere during a song, and turn the sequencer's record on. Then you start tweaking stuff, and it all gets added to the loop, evolving it into something new. And when you've had enough of that, you can turn the loop off, or set it's startpoint to a new section, or change it's size. Tons of real-time, loop-evolving possibilities with that. I would say though, that it is a different sort of loop evolution than with feedback. Not better or worse, just a different approach with different results. With the sequencer, I tend to focus on specific parts and work on modifying those, while other elements continue looping unchanged. With feedback, the whole thing is gradually disappearing, so I am focusing on what I am adding that fits with the stuff that is still there, but will ultimately replace it entirely. Both ways are interesting, just different. >Who composes like this? Well, erm, me, and, erm... I'd like to hear more. How do you use those things, and what do you do with them? What kind of loop evolutions do you get? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:20:01 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 23:10:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHkKa-0007dL-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:10:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980324135310.00833170@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:53:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Fripps preamps In-Reply-To: <000ABC2D.----@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PfdAKD.A.IiG.cyKG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4605 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:10:37 -0800 X-UIDL: b0dc99409cde1e53451255fa77299e36 I heard that Fripp is using the Fuzz Factory (Z-Vex effects amazing fuzz pedal), and Belew just used one on the upcoming 9-inch Nails album. There is a picture at: http://www.rudysmusic.com/zvframe.html -Chuck At 10:17 AM 3/24/98 -0800, you wrote: > I know that fuzz guitar isn't coming from a synth patch... I've heard > him mention the Sans Amp PSA1 and the Digitech GS2101. I just couldn't > see them in his rack. What the heck is his preamp? > > -Miko > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: Fripps preamps >Author: "Ott; John" at INTERNET >Date: 3/24/98 11:39 AM > > > >>I didn't >> get a great view of his pile on the floor, but he is using the >> Rocktron All Access controller. I didn't see the Ground Control. I > >> also didn't manage to see what his preamps were. Can anyone else >help >> here > >Last time I saw Fripp, he did not use any amps or preamps, His Fernandes >had a GK2 built in and he plugged in to a GR-1 and GR-30. He used >the GR-01 to feed the Four tc-2290's for the most part. This was a >solo soundscapes >a few months back. > > > > From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:39 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 13:06:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHauH-000683-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:06:49 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980324201909.0098a8f8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:19:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: where DAW Resent-Message-ID: <"6zi9FD.A.utE.Z4BG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4563 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:06:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 4012e2001fc4c8231ffb6bdba1a5152e At 08:02 PM 3/24/98 +0100, Woehni wrote: >Hi folks > >As usual I jump in at the end of a thread and completely kill it :-) > >Im shure this has come up before , but where can I get DAW?? I gather it`s freeware?? >would it be of any use in my soundblaser awe32 - cubase audio setup?? > DAW = Digital Audio Workstation Generally a computer running some set of applications for audio and music, with some reasonable quality audio hardware. It can be anything from cheap sound card and freeware to $100,000's worth of stuff. Your soundblaster/cubase setup would qualify as a sort of lowend DAW. And yes, looping with DAW setups is completely on topic for this list....If you want to discuss it, just go ahead and start! kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:27:27 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 02:41:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHR8Z-0000qj-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:40:55 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980324121937.276f5eba@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:19:37 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Phenomenon In-Reply-To: <19980324015048.17548.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZZGLJC.A.ui.g04F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4534 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:40:55 -0800 X-UIDL: db02399cf6b1f472e6a6a38dc1b6d7c6 John and Diane asked: >Who would care to take a shot? Compare looping with soundscaping. >Differences & similarities. Looping is what we all do around here. Soundscaping is what Robert Fripp does when he's looping. Aside from the name change, I don't percieve any major difference. > What's the difference technique, gear, attitude or creativity? Now that, my friend, is dangerous ground around here! >I haven't looped yet but do play space with series of delays and analog >effects. I'm of the mind of attitude and style. What do you think? If you've played with a series of delays, and had that feedback knob turned up long enough to play back over, you've looped. Looping, to me, means using a delay to enable you to play more than one sound at once, live. It's easy to get precious about things beyond that. As far as I'm concerned Eric Johnson is looping on the first track of Tones, and he's just using a 1/2 second delay pedal with a "hold" switch. The Reverend said: >And does being an "experimental guitarist" mean >that you also don't practice your double-stops >and hammer-ons? :-) Yeah, but we do get to practice hitting the strings with hammers, fruit or marital aids. Michael From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 10:27:28 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 02:45:38 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHRD5-0001OE-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:45:35 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHRD2-0007J8-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:45:32 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHRD0-0001Na-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:45:30 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980324122404.0fef3b8e@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:24:04 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Phenomenon In-Reply-To: <000AB3C9.----@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iuckJC.A.W8.C44F1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4535 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:45:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 4981cbf67369af3eae4a57a7199d69c7 > Just a reality check though. How many times have you spent an entire > evening tweaking dsp's or even just tone and distortion settings, only > to have a bad case of studio sweat n' jitters as well as ear fatigue, > and not really *played* anything? (Well, I did move my fingers! And > that counts! 8->) With a day job, sometimes it's really easy to be > lazy and actually just play your instrument! (snip) At the end of the > evening I was grooving to a new patch which requires no foot pedals > for input... Then send the loop off to Vortexland and we're really > swimmin'! I try to keep clear of programmable FX - though I'm often tempted by the functionality, I get option anxiety and go back to my pedals. Besides, I'm always worried about the programmable stuff losing its memory just before a gig.... Right now I'm playing the guitar into the JM with no FX and listening off on headphones. Sounds great. Michael From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:37 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 12:44:00 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHaY6-0003KQ-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:43:54 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHaY2-0003vH-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:43:50 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHaXi-0003HW-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:43:31 -0800 Message-ID: <009e01bd5763$c08d33a0$6e23dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: stretching Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:30:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"9A1p5C.A.lAC.njBG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4561 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:43:31 -0800 X-UIDL: a041863dbb76c7fd8b30a950202051a6 Michael Peters inquired: >What are the best devices (or better even, PC software) to time-stretch >samples? Cool Edit's (and its successor, Cool Edit Pro) Stretch and Zoom capabilities enable me to do all sorts of analysis visually on what I've been working with, sound-wise. It's certainly worth a look. The 'Pro' version does a pretty fair dinkum multitrack record, also, and has MIDI cues as well. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:45 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 13:48:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHbYh-0003Rb-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:48:35 -0800 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: Phemonemom Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:44:27 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd576e$04e6de20$714c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"AJugbB.A.9PC.IhCG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4569 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:48:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 57bd233909537d6955f5eca0fc8cc456 >In addition, what is a 'hammer-on'? Sounds like some kinda CB lingo... :) >Really, though, is it some kind of finger-tapping technique? This one I do know. A hammer-on is simply hammering a note down on the fretboard without plucking the string. Usually done after playing another note. You then simply use another finger to tap a higher fret. -Jesse From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:02:02 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 15:43:45 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHdM1-0002T2-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:43:37 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHdLv-00057R-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:43:31 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHdLe-0002QM-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:43:14 -0800 Message-Id: <199803242140.NAA12915@sonic.sonic.com> Subject: Re: stretching - fractal FM birdsongs Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 13:47:54 -0800 x-sender: andy_wolpert@pop.sonic.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Andy Wolpert To: "Loopers Delight" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"haY44C.A.-4.OJEG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4582 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:43:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 3ea0100c6f594233c8f2b7a6852cf419 >birdsong, slowed down (without changing the pitch) Here is an amazing experiment.... We recorded a bird song and slowed it down (and changed the pitch) by 1/2 To our suprise the pitch and melody sounded pretty much the same. What seemed like timbre at full speed became melody at half speed. BTW we slowed it down using a dual speed reel-to-reel recording __ _/\_ / \___/ \______ \ Andy Wolpert \__ | Sonic Solutions \ / awolpert@sonic.com / | (415) 893-8043 / \___ __ ___/ \__/ \_____/ From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:48 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 14:17:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHc0x-00074L-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:17:47 -0800 Message-ID: <000601bd576f$a73b2720$8922dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Phemonemom Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:56:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"fjbt8.A.YiF.W7CG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4572 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:17:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 08f05bedfaf3bae3a1d8619ed74b1097 >>In addition, what is a 'hammer-on'? Sounds like some kinda CB lingo... :) >>Really, though, is it some kind of finger-tapping technique? From: Jesse Kudler >This one I do know. A hammer-on is simply hammering a note down on the >fretboard without plucking the string. Usually done after playing another >note. You then simply use another finger to tap a higher fret. Ok, then! Is this like what some would call a 'trill', stylistically or musically? Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:59 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 15:18:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHcxB-00072l-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:17:57 -0800 Message-Id: <199803242255.OAA07044@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 16:56:53 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"xhSliD.A.BGF.DxDG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4578 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:17:57 -0800 X-UIDL: b1e749ddc925384568d20be48e7aeeff >>>P.S. That being say, the P2 song directly after the intermission was >>>*very* cool, erie, and sublime. How in the heck was Gunn triggering those >>>vocal samples? IMO, this song hinted at what this group of musicians are >>>capable of. > The consensus of the recent postings regarding this show seems to have been that there was one really magical moment during the evening, and the other parts were of less interest. I remember Miles Davis once said that if you played one new idea in a night (at a time when a gig was four sets), it was a success. And Miles' band was playing standards, so there was at least a framework to lean on. Five or ten minutes of hot stuff in a improvised gig sounds pretty good to me. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:47 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 14:08:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHbrV-0005r2-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:08:01 -0800 Message-Id: <199803242141.NAA10790@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:02:21 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-iSt1C.A.1hE.SzCG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4571 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:08:01 -0800 X-UIDL: e26e5c301495fe411b701ea7f044bf7e > From: Paolo Valladolid > > sucks!" And it does!!! What is so fascinating about a guitarist playing > > crappy keyboard sounds on a guitar? Okay....obviously this is a personal > > pet peeve. I just don't get it. > > I think it is Fripp showing his sense of humor. I recall someone > reporting that he played a Hendrix tune using a cheesy organ patch to > add a whimsical touch to it. I know a couple of people have hinted at the humor thing...but I don't buy it. To me he seemed pretty serious about exploring this crappy piano patch. We're talking extended noddling over the course of several songs. Heck, he even switched from the beloved Fripp fuzz to the piano patch mid solo. The outrage!!!! :-) I think when Fripp is trying to be funny with his tone selection he makes it obvious. For example, for their encore their played VROOOM (or was it VROOOM VROOOM?)...anywho...he used an organ patch...it was funny.....for 5 minutes and then it was stale. Perhaps his timing as a comedian is just off? > > P.S. That being say, the P2 song directly after the intermission was > > *very* cool, erie, and sublime. How in the heck was Gunn triggering those > > vocal samples? IMO, this song hinted at what this group of musicians are > > capable of. > > Gunn's Warr Guitar is now MIDI-fied with RMC pickups. I forget his exact > rig, however. Duh!!! (To me...not you!) That's right....I remember seeing a little glowing red dot and the familiar shape of what I took to be a Roland GK-2 pickup. Matt From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:02:03 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 15:50:25 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHdSZ-0003Jt-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:50:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199803242314.PAA25306@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 17:15:54 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"Sa5vfD.A.H0B.zQEG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4583 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:50:23 -0800 X-UIDL: d43778a642ac628906d6b3bb4ab52407 >Hmmm....Miko hinted at this too I think. I've been pondering this idea of >"re-inventing" yourself musically. Is it responsible or proper for an >artist to take his or her rough sketches out on the road to present it to >his/her audience? Or is it more responsible to refine the work and present >it as a finished product? As humans, I know that part of the experience >and joy of reaching a new level or obtaining a goal is the journey >itself....but...don't you feel cheated when someone presents you with >something that is less than you know they are capable of producing? Not if there's been extensive discussion of the unrehearsed, improvisational nature of the gig. It would be unexpected (but not unwelcome to me) if this happened at a King Crimson gig, but the ProjeKct shows have been publicized as improvisational events. If you want preplanned pieces, go to a Crimson gig, or buy the record. I don't think Fripp, Gunn and Belew are holding anything back, or viewing this as an easy way out. I think that the ProjeKct shows are what they are capable of producing at that point, with no pre-planning. Not all of it may be to one's taste, but that's the risk of attending that sort of show. Travis From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:49 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 14:34:16 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHcGm-0001P5-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:34:08 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHcGh-0001Wx-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:34:03 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHcGP-0001M6-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:33:45 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD572F.B0C4AA40.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: Re[2]: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:17:14 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MS40eC.A.k6G.XGDG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4574 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:33:45 -0800 X-UIDL: fdfde1f9caa878ff45faa1979a2a8ea5 [Apologies for whatever weirdness pops up in the formatting - I had to do some manual indenting.] >From: Mike Biffle [SMTP:Mike.Biffle@wj.com] >Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 10:41 AM >>Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... >>Author: "Matt McCabe" at INTERNET >>Date: 3/24/98 10:07 AM > > >Miko wrote: ProjecKt 2 w/Fripp, Belew and Gunn was pretty awesome friday >night! > >>Well...looks like I missed meeting Miko and Laurie at P2 concert in SC. >>Alas! A belated howdy to you!!! > > Sorry we missed you! Ditto that. We coulduv thrown our collective looper's weight around down in the gearhead pits, huh? :-) >>Although it was gratifying hearing the much loved Fripp fuzz tone, I left >>wondering how they could do this gig night after night. With 3 extremely >>talented and gifted musicians on stage I excepted more than just hallow >>wanking. I kept waiting for the next level. > >>Perhaps I'm too much of an idealist. > >>People on ET have been raving about "the new vocabulary" P2 is exploring. >.I heard nothing new. I heard drum sounds straight from ToaPP (Three of a >>Perfect Pair's "Industry"), soundscaping from Fripp's many recent solo >>discs, and Gunn's noodling ala his solo discs.... The age-old "artiste" question comes to mind, and it's one of the toughest we have to ask ourselves: when are we exploring and perfecting subtleties and refinements in our approach to our craft, as opposed to rehashing the same old stuff without getting anywhere? -- The old "go with what you know/what is easy/what is safe/what sells" trap? Who is qualified to judge this? Sometimes the best kick in the butt comes from outside of ourselves - our listeners, fellow players, magazine crits, etc. Or, they just might not have a clue as to where we are headed. There are no easy, or "correct" answers. But we've gotta constantly ask the question. Matt, you've put in a heck of a lot more time listening to these guys than I have, and therefore your expectations are more substantially based. This is a good thing! It helps me to reevaluate what I'm hearing. > Well, maybe it's not exactly a NEW vocabulary, but It's a chance to LOOK > for the new, while having a little fun. This tour offered these three > persons the opportunity to improvise *together*. Sometimes magic > happens, sometimes dreck. But the opportunity* doesn't often present > itself. > > Having the option to go back to the drawing board and spend a year > writing and recording a release, then touring to support it... Locked > into a fairly scripted progession of songs (possibly with great moments > of chance and risk) > > OR > > Taking a spring break and cruising out on a month long tour *Jamming > with a couple friends to recharge and make "any noise you felt like" > playing on a given night... I think I'd like the opportunity to get out > there and wank a little. At least there's the chance it could be > sublime. Yeah Miko, good point about just cutting loose. The stakes are higher, lots more risk. But it can really be transitional. At worst, it's a bomb. Most of us have probably been there a few more times that we like to admit. The median level may be inconsistency; some gigs are better than others. But the peak is that indescribably sublime and potent moment -- it might happen only once in the gig. But oooohhh... I think of it as riding a tsunami. When you hit that peak, it's like nothing can stop the groove. >>Geezzz....what's my problem????? No problem, Matt. Just being discriminating. It's refreshing. >>I think in my own looping I've been searching and struggling for form and >>structure in my looping compositions. I'm tired of improvised >>guitar-drones that go nowhere, are lifeless and dead, and brandish the >>"Recorded live with no overdubs/Completely improvised" tag. >>BOOORRRRING. That's cool. What kinds of things are you into as far as introducing the form you're after? (I've been thinking a lot about the roles improvisation and structure play in my loops.) [snip] >>P.S. That being say, the P2 song directly after the intermission was >>*very* cool, erie, and sublime. How in the heck was Gunn triggering those >>vocal samples? IMO, this song hinted at what this group of musicians are >>capable of. > I was pretty moved by that one as well. I had a nice seat to sit back > and close my eyes, and was transported! I agree with much of what you > say Matt. Sure the pounded on and on for a number of tunes. Yeah, they really did go Somewhere Else on that one. Seemed like the crowd was feeling it, too. > The more I write, the more I realize the importance of leaving chance > and risk in the formula, to allow stuff to evolve and grow. How you add > structure around the chance, or add looseness to a strict composition is > a dilemma we modern electroids all have to deal with. No kidding, Miko. Well said. I really appreciated your comments, Matt. laurie >From owner-boogie-talk@listserv.duc.auburn.edu Tue Mar 24 14:42:16 1998 From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:19:58 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 22:17:00 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHjUg-0001ak-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:16:58 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHhbC-0001iX-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:15:34 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHhb3-0003qq-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:15:25 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980324165724.007e0840@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:57:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Hammer-ons, etc In-Reply-To: <01bd576e$04e6de20$714c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"eM55OB.A.ziC.OKIG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4602 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:15:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 1c29309cabf7214e83f336a3d5875175 To the best of my recollection...... A double-stop is simply playing two strings at once, usually in a melodic or solo context. Think of Chuck Berry. A hammer-on is executed by fretting a note and then fingering a higher note using a 'hammering' action. This is often used similarly to a grace note. The reverse action is called a pull-off. -Chuck From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:18:58 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 17:48:40 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHfIs-0002Yr-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:48:30 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHclJ-00039r-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:05:41 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHclB-0005Pq-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:05:33 -0800 Message-Id: <199803242238.OAA12927@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:00:01 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-WOVvD.A.fKE.vpDG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4576 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:05:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 19862127495a3496c5bf8ae5ac442921 > From: Laurie Hatch > The age-old "artiste" question comes to mind, and it's one of the toughest we > have to ask ourselves: when are we exploring and perfecting subtleties and > refinements in our approach to our craft, as opposed to rehashing the same old > stuff without getting anywhere? -- The old "go with what you know/what is > easy/what is safe/what sells" trap? Who is qualified to judge this? Sometimes > the best kick in the butt comes from outside of ourselves - our listeners, > fellow players, magazine crits, etc. Or, they just might not have a clue as to > where we are headed. There are no easy, or "correct" answers. But we've gotta > constantly ask the question. Hmmm....Miko hinted at this too I think. I've been pondering this idea of "re-inventing" yourself musically. Is it responsible or proper for an artist to take his or her rough sketches out on the road to present it to his/her audience? Or is it more responsible to refine the work and present it as a finished product? As humans, I know that part of the experience and joy of reaching a new level or obtaining a goal is the journey itself....but...don't you feel cheated when someone presents you with something that is less than you know they are capable of producing? Hmmm..... > >>I think in my own looping I've been searching and struggling for form and > >>structure in my looping compositions. I'm tired of improvised > >>guitar-drones that go nowhere, are lifeless and dead, and brandish the > >>"Recorded live with no overdubs/Completely improvised" tag. >>BOOORRRRING. > > That's cool. What kinds of things are you into as far as introducing the form > you're after? (I've been thinking a lot about the roles improvisation and > structure play in my loops.) I've been experimenting with juxtaposing ambient loops with more melodic sections...something with a hook or rhythm. I haven't really stumbled upon anything that "works" but I certainly have cut and pasted a bunch of loops together in my computer!! Honestly, I don't know what I'm looking for...but I'm fairly certain that I will know when I find it. Hopefully. > >>P.S. That being say, the P2 song directly after the intermission was > >>*very* cool, erie, and sublime. How in the heck was Gunn triggering those > >>vocal samples? IMO, this song hinted at what this group of musicians are > >>capable of. > > > I was pretty moved by that one as well. I had a nice seat to sit back > > and close my eyes, and was transported! I agree with much of what you > > say Matt. Sure the pounded on and on for a number of tunes. > > Yeah, they really did go Somewhere Else on that one. Seemed like the crowd was > feeling it, too. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed something was happening on that number. I still get chills thinking about it. I hope Fripp noticed. Matt From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:02:00 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 15:24:58 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHd3m-00006i-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:24:46 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHd3d-0004Be-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:24:37 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHd3M-00002d-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:24:20 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <110b4046.35183dfc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:12:58 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: jamperson features Content-type: text/plain X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"5xuYbB.A.1LG.U5DG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4579 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:24:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 1c74feb0d68cff39d739cf029d44e47e In a message dated 3/24/98 4:07:10 PM, Pete wrote: <> I experienced the same "click" thing when sending midi fades to the Jman via a Digitech 2101/footpedal combo. I've since switched, not because of the "click" problem, to the Digi RP20 (Melody side of Stick¨) and am able to send midi fades without any noticable "click". It would seem, then, that the "click" is a by-product of the thing sending the midi message more so than anything inherent to the Jman. (?). - Paul From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:18:50 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 16:50:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHeOb-00032E-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:50:21 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199803242315.PAA12875@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:15:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199803242141.NAA10790@gw1.bi-tech.com> from "Matt McCabe" at Mar 24, 98 02:02:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ey8HP.A.kDB.ZFFG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4588 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:50:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 4d5def511cca3b07083b3fc8e10bbe85 > I know a couple of people have hinted at the humor thing...but I don't buy > it. To me he seemed pretty serious about exploring this crappy piano > patch. We're talking extended noddling over the course of several songs. > Heck, he even switched from the beloved Fripp fuzz to the piano patch mid > solo. The outrage!!!! :-) I think what Fripp is doing with his MIDI guitar at times seems to be all too common with keyboard players in general. That is, the player dials up some preset and begins noodling with it. Dr. T (of Dr T's Music Software) called it "treating your synth like a cheap organ", or "playing the preset instead of playing the synth". He like bringing up the example of Sun Ra as somebody who really _played_ his synth (i.e. playing with the sound in in realtime instead of just statically playing a preset) > I think when Fripp is trying to be funny with his tone selection he makes > it obvious. For example, for their encore their played VROOOM (or was it > VROOOM VROOOM?)...anywho...he used an organ patch...it was funny.....for 5 > minutes and then it was stale. Perhaps his timing as a comedian is just > off? He should keep his day job. No threat to Seinfeld, that's for sure. :) Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:18:54 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 17:31:16 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHf27-0000KZ-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:31:11 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHdeQ-00061u-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:02:38 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHdeI-0004nS-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:02:30 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980324232254.008e5bf0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:22:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: sale! (was. switcher) Resent-Message-ID: <"PZgPcD.A.axD.cgEG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4584 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:02:30 -0800 X-UIDL: f2e501d7bb0d837390272c15c7f65455 At 08:13 PM 3/24/98 +0100, Woehni wrote: > > >>Ive got a switchblade & would recommend it highly for your application . It >>is as already mentioned incredibly versatile > > >and incredible expensive....... after joining the list I have gotten some darn expensive >cravings: you know, for the longest time now I've had this simple judgement criteria when I walk into a show: The more expensive a band's gear is, the worse they are. turns out to be true surprisingly often. It's either the weekend warrior thing where they have a good day job, plenty of disposable income to buy toys, and no time to practice, kids with rich parents and no particular dedication to anything, or what we might call the "guy-with-small-penis-and-really-fast-sports-car" syndrome. The people who are really confident in their music skills seem quite able to get on stage with really simple gear, and they are the ones that usually end up impressing hell out of me. I'll never forget the time I saw Max Roach play with the bare minimum of a drum set, and keep an auditorium full of jazz musicians fully entertained for an hour and a half. That should be your goal, not the impressive list of gear. (although I still think you should buy two echoplexes :-) ) >Would anyone like to buy Norway? It`s in mint condition , bedroom used-only , and manual >can be found on manufacturers website. :-) Would you take a slightly used Golden Gate Bridge in exchange? Also, would you pay shipping costs to the south pacific? I don't like cold weather very much. ;-) kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:18:49 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 16:49:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHeNn-0002vG-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:49:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199803250025.QAA20138@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: sale! (was. switcher) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 18:26:23 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"YzCn9.A.2-.3EFG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4587 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:49:31 -0800 X-UIDL: bc71f7b7b2a7242230deeaadc0e3a348 >The more expensive a band's gear is, the worse they are. > >turns out to be true surprisingly often. It's either the weekend warrior >thing where they have a good day job, plenty of disposable income to buy >toys, and no time to practice, kids with rich parents and no particular >dedication to anything, or what we might call the >"guy-with-small-penis-and-really-fast-sports-car" syndrome. > >The people who are really confident in their music skills seem quite able to >get on stage with really simple gear, and they are the ones that usually end >up impressing hell out of me. I'll never forget the time I saw Max Roach >play with the bare minimum of a drum set, and keep an auditorium full of >jazz musicians fully entertained for an hour and a half. > >That should be your goal, not the impressive list of gear. Whoa! On a list with the high Klein-density of this one, we might want to tread carefully! :-) Travis Hartnett "I'm just a cord-straight-into-the-fridge kind of player" From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:19:49 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 20:05:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHhRH-0002gC-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:05:19 -0800 Message-ID: <35184135.14C5818@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:26:45 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jparada@changenow.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fripps preamps References: <3517E703.E19@pop.interport.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eB-6kC.A.A5B.2EIG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4601 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:05:19 -0800 X-UIDL: aed7a921df32a005d02071425faff3f6 cheesy Page?I'm not sorry to say *No Way* Jeff John + Diane Parada wrote: > I'm with you jesse I've been playing gtr for 15 years and don't know a > double stop, my gues is some sort of cheezy Page pulloff. From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:18:52 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 17:06:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHee1-00055Q-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:06:17 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:27:44 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: jamperson features Content-type: text/plain X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"bCMdOC.A.fuD.2ZFG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4589 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:06:17 -0800 X-UIDL: abd51bf4626efb5219acfce7a007d090 In a message dated 3/24/98 4:07:10 PM, Pete wrote: <> I experienced the same "click" thing when sending midi fades to the Jman via a Digitech 2101/footpedal combo. I've since switched, not because of the "click" problem, to the Digi RP20 (Melody side of Stick¨) and am able to send midi fades without any noticable "click". It would seem, then, that the "click" is a by-product of the thing sending the midi message more so than anything inherent to the Jman. (?). - Paul From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:02:01 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 15:34:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHdD5-0001Jt-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:34:23 -0800 Message-ID: <351841DF.4A480529@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:29:35 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jparada@changenow.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... References: <199803241746.JAA05148@gw1.bi-tech.com> <3517E77D.1285@pop.interport.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9xwe5D.A.iD.rCEG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4580 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:34:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 81cf4f3f8d5303e5421c007603b2ec70 drool!No,(Drooping) Yes Its me again Jeff John + Diane Parada wrote: > Anyone planning on attending project2 shows in NYC and LI? From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:18:48 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 16:38:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHeDN-0001XX-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:38:45 -0800 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:33:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803242333.SAA24105@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Warning! Imminent Loop Show Resent-Message-ID: <"BXiThD.A.WX.4_EG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4586 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:38:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 3bee760dcf90148351c886ec2f568a23 hey folks. anyone on the ny/pa/jersey side o'things, mark down, if ya would: ********************************** sunday april 5 "music from the edge" Bon Lozaga (LoLo records) (collaborator of GONG, GONGZILLA, Project Lo, DT, Caryn Lin, etc...) Jfk's Lsd Ufo (my duo) Mooter Manufacturing & Wholesale A night of bizarreness, Loops and Particle Physics. 8pm, THE SAINT, Asbury Park, NJ 732-775-9144 ************************************** details to follow- or email me thanks for caring at least enuf to read this far! andre' From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:02:02 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 15:40:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHdIb-00020g-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:40:05 -0800 Message-ID: <351842F9.286004F0@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:34:17 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fripps preamps References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t3tutB.A.Lo.MHEG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4581 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:40:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 0458d19f6cc27eebeea4c0583ead4f08 anybody know wheree to get a Fernandes?I want the sustainer,bad Jeff Ott, John wrote: > >I didn't > > get a great view of his pile on the floor, but he is using the > > Rocktron All Access controller. I didn't see the Ground Control. I > > > also didn't manage to see what his preamps were. Can anyone else > help > > here > > Last time I saw Fripp, he did not use any amps or preamps, His Fernandes > had a GK2 built in and he plugged in to a GR-1 and GR-30. He used > the GR-01 to feed the Four tc-2290's for the most part. This was a > solo soundscapes > a few months back. From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:19:56 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 21:49:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHj3a-0006FN-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:48:58 -0800 Message-ID: <35184338.1DC78698@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:35:21 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fripps preamps References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"A9AZkC.A.fKF.ZlJG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4604 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:48:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 2feff2e789c65ffb71d853d75399f112 yes!! Ott, John wrote: > >I didn't > > get a great view of his pile on the floor, but he is using the > > Rocktron All Access controller. I didn't see the Ground Control. I > > > also didn't manage to see what his preamps were. Can anyone else > help > > here > > Last time I saw Fripp, he did not use any amps or preamps, His Fernandes > had a GK2 built in and he plugged in to a GR-1 and GR-30. He used > the GR-01 to feed the Four tc-2290's for the most part. This was a > solo soundscapes > a few months back. From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:19:49 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 19:54:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHhGr-0001NK-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:54:33 -0800 Message-ID: <351843DB.F9A4A86@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:38:03 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: stretching References: <01BD5755.2EE024C0@md55-025.mun.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YICoh.A.MV.D4HG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4600 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:54:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 8c3d23ef827a3aa55a59242e1a399bac Everything I play,must be first take and improved,so well, if it sucks then... Jeff Michael Peters wrote: > What are the best devices (or better even, PC software) to time-stretch > samples? > > I find that I'm more and more interested in researching into / playing with > the patterns and structures inherent in natural sounds ... the easiest > example would be birdsong, slowed down (without changing the pitch) so that > our slow mammal brain can really listen to all those tiny melodic and > dynamic details ... really looking very closely at sounds is similar to > looking at very small things in a microscope. Remember when you had a > microscope as a kid? > > michael peters mpeters@csi.com > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:18:45 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 16:12:59 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHdoN-00066C-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:12:55 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHdoM-0006Wz-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:12:54 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHdoH-00065L-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:12:49 -0800 Message-ID: <351848F9.A80B54@magelang.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:59:53 -0700 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fripps preamps References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L2rvR.A.npE.gnEG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4585 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:12:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 2992209ab7a97b65784f366b7284d9e8 A friend of mine reported that he was using a VG-8, and two or three GR synths, w/ 4 US-20 pedals to switch among them. He also was using a Roland GP100 processor and a pair of Eventide 3500 Harmonizers. Fripp must change his rack setup every few weeks. Perhaps he should have DGM start up a website w/ the current rack, patchlists and all. He could even go the VAR route..... Jim Ott, John wrote: > >I didn't > > get a great view of his pile on the floor, but he is using the > > Rocktron All Access controller. I didn't see the Ground Control. I > > > also didn't manage to see what his preamps were. Can anyone else > help > > here > > Last time I saw Fripp, he did not use any amps or preamps, His Fernandes > had a GK2 built in and he plugged in to a GR-1 and GR-30. He used > the GR-01 to feed the Four tc-2290's for the most part. This was a > solo soundscapes > a few months back. From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:18:55 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 17:35:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHf6M-0000sb-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:35:34 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:04:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: hardware sequencers / feedback Resent-Message-ID: <"XXYsrB.A.MPH.Z2FG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4590 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:35:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 08e1753eaa28e0597998cea7821e47a5 At 12:13 PM +0000 3/23/98, Anthony Bowyer-Lowe wrote: >Kim Flint on evolving loops using feedback: >>Interestingly, this sort of effect is not readily available in the typical >>sampler, and it would be a bitch to manage in a sequencer. Consequently, I >>almost never hear people who primarily rely on sequencers and samplers >>using this evolutionary approach to loops. They tend to have more abrupt >>changes with their loops, where something immediately disappears and is >>replaced by something else. > >Unless you're reprogramming something like a 606/707/808/909 drum box in >realtime. Adding or removing triggers, moving accents, fading in and out >certain sounds give a certain evolutionary quality to sequenced music. > >Also can be done with the SCI Studio 440 sequencer/sampler/drum machine >where you can choose what sequence is played next, punch in and out of >record at any time, have tempo slides (great feature), edit samples while >the sequencer is running, mute tracks, yadda yadda yadda... oh yeah! I completely agree. A lot of those old hardware sequencers can be great instruments unto themselves, with a lot of cool evolving loop possibilities just in the real-time way that the sequencer works. I think that has a lot to do with why they are so popular now as "vintage" items. Some of it is the sound, but I think the weird interfaces have a lot to do with it and get overlooked. Like the TB-303, which has a really odd interface. That probably had a lot to do with why it was not very popular when it was in production. But I think it just took people a few years to figure it out and figure what they could do with it. And now you see people doing all sorts of creative stuff with that box, and managing to get a lot of variety out of it. I was playing with Rebirth a lot last night, treating it as a loop device more than anything else. I had a great time with that. It has a loop function that lets you set the start measure and the number of measures for the loop. You set that to start looping somewhere during a song, and turn the sequencer's record on. Then you start tweaking stuff, and it all gets added to the loop, evolving it into something new. And when you've had enough of that, you can turn the loop off, or set it's startpoint to a new section, or change it's size. Tons of real-time, loop-evolving possibilities with that. I would say though, that it is a different sort of loop evolution than with feedback. Not better or worse, just a different approach with different results. With the sequencer, I tend to focus on specific parts and work on modifying those, while other elements continue looping unchanged. With feedback, the whole thing is gradually disappearing, so I am focusing on what I am adding that fits with the stuff that is still there, but will ultimately replace it entirely. Both ways are interesting, just different. >Who composes like this? Well, erm, me, and, erm... I'd like to hear more. How do you use those things, and what do you do with them? What kind of loop evolutions do you get? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:19:45 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 19:39:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHh2C-0007Jw-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:39:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199803250015.TAA11295@mail.ramlink.net> From: "brown25" To: Subject: Re: where DAW Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:08:23 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fKgfSC.A.ZFG.drHG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4597 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:39:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 7d3943349349063b1185b1ffa134a8d8 Hey, You will probably have to pay for a DAW. The only freeware that I've seen are demo programs...with no real features. This is because the programs are very involved, and have been made for a sophisticated market. It's worth it though. I paid 600 bucks for SAW + and 2200 for my ADAT-XT and have found that SAW + is probably the best investment. The flexibility of a DAW over real time multitrackers is tremendous in post production. I use my ADAT for a lot of the real time recording, then transfer the file to my pc. Both are digital mediums, so with a digital I/O you could do this without any sound loss. There are now cards that can work with the ADAT to sync it up with a DAW....the ADAT doesn't have SMPTE, but the card will work with the ADAT fiber optic digital cables, and turn the timecode into SMPTE for SAW +. At least that's what I understand from what I've read about the timecode stuff. More than likely you will need to get another sound card to unlock the full potential. My Card D + by Digital Audio Labs is an analog I/O which has simultaneous play and record. It cannot be used though as a multimedia sound card...so it's more or less just for hard disk editing. The conventional multimedia card cannot do simultaneous play and record. Anyhow..I hope I answered your questions....please feel free to ask more. I may ditch this Jamman mailing list soon..so feel free to e-mail me personally at brown25@bionicmilk.com later, brown25 ---------- From: Woehni To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: where DAW Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 2:02 PM Hi folks As usual I jump in at the end of a thread and completely kill it :-) Im shure this has come up before , but where can I get DAW?? I gather it`s freeware?? would it be of any use in my soundblaser awe32 - cubase audio setup?? Thanks in advance , Thomas BTW , thanks for all the replies on my lexicon and phenomenon posts. Geat stuff!! ---------- From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:18:58 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 17:58:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHfRx-0003mm-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:57:53 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:28:54 -0800 Message-ID: <000AC1DB.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[4]: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... To: "Looper's Delight" , Mike.Biffle@wj.com, "T.W. Hartnett" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"QqlFP.A.xlC.NLGG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4592 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:57:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 6acfb970910dfe9cfb350fa30e1d9d9e Hi Travis... I have to say, I was thrilled to hear them do exactly what they did. I saw Crim play when they were here, and liked that for what that was as well. Meself... I kind of prefer hearing them tap dance in real time! In regards to rough sketches vs. finished product. I believe Fripp has been very vocal about working fast with limited takes in the studio to better capture true musicical moments as opposed to canned rote performances. (This is a pretty polarized way of putting it). Does that imply that Crimson with it's highly composed elements is actually the most restrictive setting for Fripp and possibly at odds with his real-time playing philosophy? I thought that the earlier comparison to Miles early 70's stuff was pretty cool. Not that I would reference the jazzy synth lines he played as the most direct linkage to that music... I'd say P2 was more closely related by their distinct lack of structure and stream of consciousness approach. Anyone can play cheesy faux bop, but that doesn't necessarily breathe Miles' magic into it. I give P2 a lot of credit for their liquid jamminess! -Miko PS: I think there's another band out there called U2 (formerly UnIt 2) who Fripp copied the P2 name from! How unoriginal. I believe I heard him playing a couple of licks from the Zoozopa release as well. tsk, tsk! 8-> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... Author: "T.W. Hartnett" at INTERNET Date: 3/24/98 5:15 PM >Hmmm....Miko hinted at this too I think. I've been pondering this idea of >"re-inventing" yourself musically. Is it responsible or proper for an >artist to take his or her rough sketches out on the road to present it to >his/her audience? Or is it more responsible to refine the work and present >it as a finished product? As humans, I know that part of the experience >and joy of reaching a new level or obtaining a goal is the journey >itself....but...don't you feel cheated when someone presents you with >something that is less than you know they are capable of producing? Not if there's been extensive discussion of the unrehearsed, improvisational nature of the gig. It would be unexpected (but not unwelcome to me) if this happened at a King Crimson gig, but the ProjeKct shows have been publicized as improvisational events. If you want preplanned pieces, go to a Crimson gig, or buy the record. I don't think Fripp, Gunn and Belew are holding anything back, or viewing this as an easy way out. I think that the ProjeKct shows are what they are capable of producing at that point, with no pre-planning. Not all of it may be to one's taste, but that's the risk of attending that sort of show. Travis From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:19:06 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 18:20:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHfnU-0006YT-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:20:08 -0800 Message-Id: <199803250202.SAA26192@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Re[4]: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 20:03:56 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"AxD47C.A.aNF.wfGG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4594 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:20:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 8ad3833995920bf87ce1c54c256955d6 > In regards to rough sketches vs. finished product. I believe Fripp has > been very vocal about working fast with limited takes in the studio to > better capture true musicical moments as opposed to canned rote > performances. (This is a pretty polarized way of putting it). > > Does that imply that Crimson with it's highly composed elements is > actually the most restrictive setting for Fripp and possibly at odds > with his real-time playing philosophy? Nah, it's just the difference between trying to get a hot performance of precomposed piece of music, versus taking a chance on group improvisation. Both are rewarding approaches within a different framework. There are restrictions in any setting. A band playing "tunes" may fall into the trap of a rote recreation of the album. A band improvising may fail to reach the audience, or even their fellow musicians onstage, or even themselves. I think it's amazing that the various members of KC are taking this chance, since not all reviews have been glowing (similiar to the reception of Soundscapes [obligatory looping content]). Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:18:57 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 17:45:08 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHfFZ-00027n-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:45:05 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHfFa-00037A-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:45:06 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHfFT-000272-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:44:59 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD574B.54233880.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: sale! (was. switcher) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:34:23 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WSIae.A.pKB.MAGG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4591 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:44:59 -0800 X-UIDL: ded9dd74baa29a0729a00bbbc9fcc44a >From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@chromatic.com] >Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 3:23 PM > >The people who are really confident in their music skills seem quite able to >get on stage with really simple gear, and they are the ones that usually end >up impressing hell out of me. I'll never forget the time I saw Max Roach >play with the bare minimum of a drum set, and keep an auditorium full of >jazz musicians fully entertained for an hour and a half. Oh boy. Here's my favorite minimal-equipment performance. The Art Ensemble of Chicago was playing at this funky jazz joint in Seattle, and drummer Eric Gravatt was sitting in. There were exactly five pieces in his kit, count 'em: bass drum, tom, snare, hi hat, ride cymbal. That's it. Traveling light, but oh man, the incredible variety of sounds he coaxed from so little. He sounded a hell of a lot gutsier, too, than a lot of rock drummers with mondo kits. (What's that in my back? Adrian Belew's drumstick?) Back to my rack 'o toyz, which desperately needs another echoplex.... laurie >From lists@slip.net Tue Mar 24 17:48:40 1998 From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:19:00 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 18:04:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHfYg-0004fB-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:04:50 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <1f687b94.351863b6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:53:56 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 3rd CD Project Page has been updated Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"DNbogD.A.RND.8PGG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4593 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:04:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 82bdf3782c15a2654695869f697ae2ad The 3rd CD Project Page has been updated. From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:19:36 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 18:48:13 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHgEW-0002HS-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:48:04 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHgET-00063O-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:48:01 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHgEM-0002GN-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:47:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980324204025.006a8b04@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:40:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: where DAW In-Reply-To: <01bd5757$739a3860$0e014382@pentium-200> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kelHnC.A.REB.I5GG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4596 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:47:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 7401946640a8ae54ef1356bb9ac29d2a >As usual I jump in at the end of a thread and completely kill it :-) > >Im shure this has come up before , but where can I get DAW?? I gather it`s freeware?? talk to "brown25" or go do some net searches, under breakbeat apparently said Brown Mjh (; From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:19:46 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 19:42:09 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHh4l-0007e9-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:42:03 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHh4j-00006f-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:42:01 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHh4b-0007cw-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:41:53 -0800 From: pisko@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <35187C30.4B2C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:38:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: where DAW References: <2.2.32.19980324201909.0098a8f8@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KzsUgC.A.lTG.KtHG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4598 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:41:53 -0800 X-UIDL: b6fbf82364e14ab1481a84dca733e242 > And yes, looping with DAW setups is completely on topic for this list....If > you want to discuss it, just go ahead and start! > > Well if you insist... I have been lurking here for awhile with out speaking up much. What I do is not exactly looping. I have always used my home studio stuff to sort of jam whit myself. I'll come up whit a guitar bit and then find bass lines or other guitar dubs to go with it. I currently have Cakewalk running with a dman2044. Cakewalk has allowed me more of the freedom that the jampeople and echoplex persons enjoy, but not with the same freedom. My attempts to use the art x-15 to control cakewalk like a jamguy/echothigy have not been successful (I have a gift for understatment). And my love of the sounds and music of the likes of Mr. Torn have left me surfing the net all to often looking for the best price on a echoplex. Well even if I don't get much from the jamman echoplex tech advice threads, the mailing list is still a great bit for me. I like the creativity/compositional threads (ever surching form more musical idealologys to try). From the time I first typed 'subscribe' I have thought many times, these people are some of the most creative, inteligent and just plan old weird musicians on the net. Play on, Joe From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:19:47 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 19:54:33 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHhGl-0001Mh-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:54:27 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHhGk-0000k9-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:54:26 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHhGa-0001LH-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:54:16 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Gear judgement and expression Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:44:34 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"txO8cC.A.9T.83HG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4599 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:54:16 -0800 X-UIDL: be1912d658edae4576461ae7f5bcb87f I am often suspicious of statements like the one below. Kim Flint wrote: From kflint Tue Mar 24 12:50:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHaep-0004FK-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:50:51 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980324222208.1bf7d9f4@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:22:08 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: jamperson features/Rang at Daddy's In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"jBj88C.A.9pC.joBG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4562 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:50:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 23dd6be6b6694c9ae42e02de1c1d555f Pete: >Dr Hughes, great post. How are things working with >further experimentation? Well, I just found that the fluorescently-labelled protein Avidin doesn't undergo a dispersion in pH 9-10 solutions except for the funny collection behaviour below 200kHz.... oh you mean the JamMan, right? ;) And it's Michael, not Dr Hughes! The ,phd bit just needs to be there for my job, that's all... >I too have a problem with re-tapping when looping in echo mode. >I get that nasty click too. Like I say, I've only had this when changing loop limes using the front-panel "divide-by" function. I mean loop times. Wonder what a loop lime tastes like? How about loop kippers? They tend to repeat on people...! >But i have always had a couple problems trying this. >First, if i turn JM's feedback up to 16 in delay mode >before tapping in a "loop" time, it doesn't take long >for the default 60msec delay time (or whatever it is) >to generate a heck of a lot of noise just from a tiny >amount of system noise building on itself. Am i alone >with this problem? Yes and no. To counter that I usually tap the delay time to a second or so straight after startup to avoid that. I also turn the guitar down. >And as Dr. Hughes observed (to one's advantage in many >situations), JM will then loop that delay. So it isn't >just the first time you play while tapping in the loop >time (again, this is all in the echo mode), but is repeated >back at you over and over. This has been the most exciting bit for me - with 2 delays I find the sound fills out enough to not require any more effects. Michael PS This may be out of date or whatever, but Daddie are advertising (along with various Vortices) a Boomerang at about $130. Utterly crazy. go BUY, people!!! From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:20:03 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 23:24:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHkY8-0001V6-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:24:36 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980325071613.00e689e4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:16:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: a whole lotta loop Resent-Message-ID: <"VT2-nB.A.Yy.k_KG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4606 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:24:36 -0800 X-UIDL: b76cd56069bf811db26a02a062cc473c At 11:42 PM 3/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >Jeff Duke wrote: >> >> cheesy Page?I'm not sorry to say *No Way* >> Jeff >> >> John + Diane Parada wrote: >> >> > I'm with you jesse I've been playing gtr for 15 years and don't know a >> > double stop, my gues is some sort of cheezy Page pulloff. >I agree. With all the expressionalist/improvistory types on this list it >would seem odd to flame page. Except for not owning an echoplex. Right >Kim? Actually, I think Jimmy Page does own an OB echoplex. I don't remember this for certain, but I believe he may have used it on a page/plant dino-tour a couple years ago. hope that confuses the issue, kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:58 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 15:11:41 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHcr1-0006D6-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:11:36 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHcqy-0003UG-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:11:32 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHcqi-0006AW-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:11:16 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980324232345.084f62c0@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:23:45 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Phenomenon In-Reply-To: <3517E2C8.3899@pop.interport.net> References: <3.0.1.16.19980324121937.276f5eba@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zb2pzD.A.5fE.WsDG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4577 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:11:16 -0800 X-UIDL: c8633c6983a4c128b3e5efed314a3dc5 John (or, indeed, Diane): >thanks mike for an interesting and insightful response. Woah there - know ye that everyone on this list is called Mike, Michael Miguel etc, with the exception of yourself and Kim Flint....! > I'm a hypnotist and plan to use my own loops to help induce trance in my > clients. do you have any tips? This is probably a REALLY stupid statement, but can you use the looong memory capability of the EDP to induce hypnosis in yourself? BTW, are you an amateur or professional/clinical hypnotist? Just curious... Michael From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:20:05 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 00:12:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHlI6-0002NB-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:12:06 -0800 Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BD57CA.7710EC50@md29-125.mun.compuserve.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: where DAW Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:40:26 +0100 Encoding: 13 TEXT, 49 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Resent-Message-ID: <"WswiHD.A.J6B.KuLG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4607 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:12:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 4db2e4e45be37440752ad7f8f9f7bc42 sorry if this has already been answered ... >I paid 600 bucks for SAW + what's SAW+ ? also, in one sentence, why does one need ADAT if one has a multiplex soundcard and can do all recording on the harddisk? (I'm about to invest into some harddisk recording gear so I'm wondering) michael peters mpeters@csi.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ Attachment converted: shards o' data:WINMAIL.DAT (????/----) (00001023) From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:19:54 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 20:51:56 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHiAI-0007aX-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:51:50 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHiAG-00033Y-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:51:48 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHiA9-0007ZG-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:51:41 -0800 From: pisko@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <3518B54B.16F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:42:03 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, jmar@bellsouth.net Subject: page was: Fripps preamps References: <3517E703.E19@pop.interport.net> <35184135.14C5818@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"e8k8X.A.heG.YwIG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4603 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:51:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 489446731682982e1e85b591fd9b1ca4 Jeff Duke wrote: > > cheesy Page?I'm not sorry to say *No Way* > Jeff > > John + Diane Parada wrote: > > > I'm with you jesse I've been playing gtr for 15 years and don't know a > > double stop, my gues is some sort of cheezy Page pulloff. I agree. With all the expressionalist/improvistory types on this list it would seem odd to flame page. Except for not owning an echoplex. Right Kim? From ???@??? Tue Mar 24 16:01:48 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 24 14:30:30 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHcD7-0000uo-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:30:21 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHcD1-0001JV-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:30:15 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHcCl-0000sE-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:29:59 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980325000015.20bff060@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:00:15 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Phemonenon and on and on and... In-Reply-To: <000601bd576f$a73b2720$8922dacf@earthlight> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5k3pRC.A.krG.jEDG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4573 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:29:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 6e6c16d09aaee9ae7aa39697c7f5c9f6 >>>In addition, what is a 'hammer-on'? Sounds like some kinda CB lingo... :) >>>Really, though, is it some kind of finger-tapping technique? >>This one I do know. A hammer-on is simply hammering a note down on the >>fretboard without plucking the string. Usually done after playing another >>note. You then simply use another finger to tap a higher fret. >Ok, then! Is this like what some would call a 'trill', stylistically or >musically? A hammer -on specifically implies that the sound is produced by the hammering of finger on fret rather than plucking. You could trill by hammering on (and pulling off- though that's a whole NEW ballgame!), or by plucking each note. It's a form of slur. >A double-stop is playing two whole notes at the same time sepparated by >a string. A double stop is playing two notes on adjacent strings - hell, it's probably just playing two notes period! It's a violin term for when you play the two adjacent strings to form an interval. For a chord you need "triple stops". I THINK there is an implication with double-stops that the two notes should be voiced as simultaneously as possible. Michael From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:22:16 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 01:31:04 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHmWU-0003VY-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:31:02 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHmWR-000540-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:30:59 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHmWQ-0003V2-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:30:58 -0800 Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BD57D8.4003DF70@md29-125.mun.compuserve.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: brain-actuated music Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:07:29 +0100 Encoding: 15 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"tg0JFB.A.u_C.-4MG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4610 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:30:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 2c7be9b71a51a138600dcbd7abcbee71 There was an interesting sounding article 'Brain Music Points to Mouseless Future' in Wired News the other day ... http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/11040.html about a device that measures brain waves and apparently can be used as a MIDI controller. Their homepage is at http://www.brainfingers.com/ sounds like it might be worth checking out, for those folks (like me) who are fascinated by unusual controllers. Does anyone know more? is it any good? michael peters mpeters@csi.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:20:06 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 00:17:22 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHlNB-0002yf-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:17:21 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHlN5-00033s-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:17:15 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHlN3-0002xi-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:17:13 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <577c14f8.3518bc95@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:13:07 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: a whole lotta loop Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"qmRTYB.A.weC.hzLG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4608 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:17:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 5e9ddfc35857cd14f7dbcabcd5eecbf1 Jimmy Page and echoplexes is kind of a funny backwards loop rock history thing. And it's cool that his name has come up here. Page was prominent in resurrecting the echoplex for solo guitar work in the late sixties. We remember echoplexes in rockabilly, but that sound had been put on hold post Beach Boys and Beatles. Page really took the original tube echoplex and turned it into a piece of dark psychadellia, by using it as part of his signature sound. When we think of the great prominent British blues inspired rock guitarists...Clapton, Page, Beck and Peter Greene, Page is the one you can't seperate from deep pools of delay. (And for those who want to debate rock history, we put Gilmour in the seventies.) We still like that that Page did that. Hope he comes up with something interesting with his new Echoplex. Best, the LoOpdOctOrs From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 01:20:10 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 01:08:33 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHmAh-0000pJ-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:08:31 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHmAa-0004T9-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:08:24 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHmAZ-0000oJ-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:08:23 -0800 Reply-To: "Stefano Voulaz" From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: Subject: Re[2]: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:07:07 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd57cd$62c4f8b0$6902a8c0@voulaz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"yUJApC.A.tU._iMG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4609 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:08:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 8a3ca9a5ac0028553e8626f6fa2728b4 > Well, maybe it's not exactly a NEW vocabulary, but It's a chance to LOOK > for the new, while having a little fun. This tour offered these three > persons the opportunity to improvise *together*. Sometimes magic > happens, sometimes dreck. But the opportunity* doesn't often present > itself. I do completely agree with Mike on this. I never attended a ProjeKct2 performance (er... I live in Italy, don't forget, they've not been here yet - Mr. Fripp? Toc toc! Are you coming to Italy? Lotta people waiting for you... ;) ), but I had the chance to be at one of the very first concerts of RF + Trey Gunn + David Sylvian - a trio without drums (was many years ago...). That's been really amazing, since it was clear that the guys were there to *try* something new, they were experimenting a lot, and the result was quite surprising. That experience was unique to me (and something really magic happened then), I've never heard anymore the same things again. They never issued a record or something similar: the subsequent RF+DS recordings available (i.e., Damage) all include drums, and all the songs are well structured - very nice though, but totally different from that primordial show... All my best The Looping Uncle 8^)# From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:23:59 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 09:05:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHtcT-00066f-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:05:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3518D7E5.9B5@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:09:41 +0000 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gadgets as magic feathers (as in Dumbo) References: <01BD574B.54233880.lahatch@dnai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xdijnD.A.1oE.7cTG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4624 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:05:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 1eee3ee1caf3b677fbace3c74463f3ab > >From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@chromatic.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 3:23 PM > > > >The people who are really confident in their music skills seem quite able to > >get on stage with really simple gear, and they are the ones that usually end > >up impressing hell out of me. > laurie I have found that a new toy (for me, usually another guitar or amp), even borrowed for a few minutes, has some sort of voodoo. Don't know what it is; last band I was in, I hadn't really been able to write anything worth hearing in a while. Friend of mine that we sare the rehersal space with was in the space that night and let me goof around with his Tom Anderson Hollow-T. Thought it sounded like a Cheerios box with a broom handle, but I wrote yet another pop jem before I gave him the guitar back. Neil Young (I think) said once that he likes old guitars, because they have a lot of songs in them. I don't know if it is something like Dumbo and his magic feather (the ordinary feather that he attributed to his inborn ability to fly). It must be.... Sure doesn't feel that way, though. Trevor From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:22:30 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 02:27:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHnP1-0000o0-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:27:23 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:22:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Gear judgement and expression Resent-Message-ID: <"aMkyoC.A.bM.0rNG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4612 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:27:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 3af94cde924385eb338be30555538d25 At 01:44 PM 3/25/98 +1000, Jamie Lack wrote: >I am often suspicious of statements like the one below. you should be, so am I. [snipped out a bunch of stuff I wrote to irritate gearheads like me] >I don't understand the purpose of such generalised public statements. In my case its usually to provoke people because I've gotten bored with the other threads going on. Usually I just say things to see what will happen. Anything to relieve the monotony of another day full of long-winded fripp posts. (note --> :-) [snipped out a bunch of Jamie's thoughts that I agree with and have said in various ways many, many times before so let's just move on] >AND NOW FOR SOMETHING ELSE > >Does any other loopers out there feel that the arrival of more >expressive control devices is overdue? way, way, overdue. Mostly because it's really, really hard to get new ideas out into the general world of musicians, who are mostly a lot more conservative than they would have you believe. I've got more than a few battle scars to show for it, and plenty of old-dog war stories to tell. You have to get me into a dark seedy bar before I'd be willing to tell them, though. I need atmosphere. >If you think about it, the volume pedal is a very simple thing. >Can't we do better? > >Instead of being able to control one parameter with one appendage, we >should be able to achieve a higher resolution. >Like, the flexion of each joint, say? >Or maybe contraction of muscles. > >The most promising thing I have seen to date is the Ribbon controllers >and scratch pads, or the Korg wavedrum. actually, ribbon controllers are an old idea that was recently revived. They were used a lot on synths a couple of decades ago. The most important question there is, why did people ever stop using them? How come synth companies stopped putting them on synths? And how long do we have before they disappear again? And the wave drum is just a drum head with a mic feeding a dsp, which has various interesting algorithms for processing the sound, either transforming it completely or effecting the original in some fashion. So while it's an interesting instrument, it's not a new control interface, it's "just" a drum! And despite the general popularity of drums, the wavedrum has not been a very successful product for korg. I'm actually surprised (and happy!) that they still have it in their catalog. Now if Don Buchla ever gets HIS drum-like controller out into the world, then you will see a glimpse of the future. >The "mastery" of these complicated electronic toys will be assisted, I >think, through better means of control. well, that's the problem, isn't it? The sound making devices on the end far surpass the control devices in the front. Part of the reason is that designing a good musical instrument interface is much, much harder than writing dsp code. You have to spend a lot of time thinking about human ergonomics and psychology and creative impulse. You have to study popular instruments to try and ascertain what makes them popular. And you go through a whole lot of trial and error. Anybody can wire up a switch or a button or some sort or sensor to a sound generator. Going from there to a musical instrument is a whole other ball o' wax! Takes a bit of genius-like inspiration and a will of stainless steel to stand patiently in the face of financial disaster for years while waiting for musicians to even give your idea a try.... And of course the other problem lies between the front and the end. My old friend midi. If you actively tried, you would not be able to design a worse networking protocol for musicial instrument control than midi. That alone has hampered a lot of potential innovation in musical controllers. And god forbid that you should suggest a midi replacement! The heavens will rain fire upon your noggin then! so it's hard. BFD, it's worth the trouble I say! How might musicians help make it become less hard? - Notice that there are many, many, many brilliant musical instrument innovations out there. - decide to take a Big Chance. - go out and find one you think is interesting. - learn to use it, create some great musical stuff with it. - go out in the world with your new instrument and show people the great stuff you created with it. - inspire them with your stuff, so that they might want to create stuff like that. - patiently answer their questions and show them the wonderful new instrument that helped you create your inspiring musical stuff. - rinse, and repeat. If the innovative types have some success with their ideas, they will continue to create innovative new instruments. If not, the new ideas whither and die. We're all part of that community, and need to put something into it to get something out. right? >So, let's hear some weird ideas, eh? so c'mon everyone, what sort of new musical controllers do we need? and since this is Looper's Delight, what sort musical loop controllers do we need? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:22:31 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 02:28:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHnPe-0000tc-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:28:02 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:22:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: interesting bay area concert Resent-Message-ID: <"qY3bRD.A.OR.SsNG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4613 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:28:02 -0800 X-UIDL: f55fd6218d85212860ced4b4d3d3d8ca speaking of new instruments, This sounds like an interesting show at cnmat, featuring my old cohort Matt Wright along with David Wessel and Shafqat Ali Khan. cnmat is the Center for New Music and Audio Technologies, at UC Berkeley. check the web page: http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/ directions are there too. show is at 8, $10. matt's mail: >I sent you all an email announcement about some concerts I'll be doing with >David Wessel and the amazing Pakistani singer Shafqat Ali Khan. The first >concert, with me providing just a drone, went very well on Saturday. Now >we're busy getting ready for the much more technically challenging second set >of concerts. > >Here's the blurb I sent last time: > > This one will be a lot wilder. Shafqat will be singing again, but this > time the band will be David Wessel and me, playing totally electronic > instruments. It's going to be totally improvised. > > I can't say too much about it, because, of course, we're still developing > our instruments. David will probably be using his Buchla Thunder > controller, via a new version of the software he's been developing over > recent years. I'll be using the Wacom tablet and probably some other > stuff. There will be a drone, but that's not all I'll be doing. There'll > be a lot of grooving rhythmic stuff. His voice will be going into Max/MSP > and we'll be sampling and processing it in real time. And I'm sure we'll > get some other goodies in there over the next few weeks. > > This concert will be two nights, Thursday, 4/2 and Thursday, 4/9. Here's > the official blurb: > > Longtime musical collaborators Shafqat Ali Khan (vocals) and David Wessel > (interactive computer instrumentation) are joined by Matt Wright > (interactive computer instrumentation) for an evening of improvisation and > interaction. They create a musical common ground, informed by classical > Indo-Pakisani music, upon which a vital dialogue takes place. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:24:07 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 09:48:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHuHb-0003bv-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:48:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3518DDE4.4D65@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:35:17 +0000 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gear judgement and expression References: <3518FB5B.2109@delphi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Kgim0.A.5BC.qCUG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4625 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:48:11 -0800 X-UIDL: fbe532db805013e2d2c39173dd6bdc1c John Pollock wrote: > > Jamie Lack touched a raw nerve: > > > Does any other loopers out there feel that the arrival of more > > expressive control devices is overdue? > > > > Instead of being able to control one parameter with one appendage, we > > should be able to achieve a higher resolution. > > Like, the flexion of each joint, say? > > Or maybe contraction of muscles. > > > > So, let's hear some weird ideas, eh? the flexion of each joint? contraction of muscles? Those aren't weird enough? I was going to make another scatalogical quip, but I din't want to bring us back into the the 'LoopLuvLine' thread again ;) > > My hands are full of guitar, and my left foot is almost always dedicated > to a pedal keyboard, so my right foot is the obvious candidate for > controlling other parameters. For years, I've managed two quite > comfortably: A volume pedal on the output of the synthesizer driven by > my MIDI guitar, and a footswitch atop the volume pedal, used at first to > start and stop a drum machine, now the sustain pedal for the synth > driven by the pedal keyboard. I am jealous, as I just learned to sing, play guitar and not fall over all at the same time. My parents are so proud of me. > > As a recovering pedal steel guitarist, accustomed to using knee levers, > I naturally considered knee-operated switches and pots. Unfortunately, > my knees are moving so much in discharging their other duties that they > couldn't achieve the precision needed to control musical events. Heh heh, heh heh. You said 'discharge'. In a more serious vein, I have always thought that looping pedal steel would be particularly amazing. Having goofed around enough with it to realize I have about as much innate skill with that as I have for cello (or, as some have told me, guitar), I got myself on of those tricked out Hipshot B&G bender gadgets. Love to goof with it, but I kind of wish that I had the range of a real pedal steel. > > I would gratefully welcome any suggestions toward a solution. And I'd > really like to hear how Patrick Smith controls his rig, which dwarfs > mine in complexity. :-) > Hire dwarfs to switch your rig for you. Trevor From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:24:08 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 09:59:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHuSO-00051l-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:59:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3518DEA6.1C4B@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:38:30 +0000 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Magic feathers again References: <2.2.32.19980324232254.008e5bf0@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ELHfa.A.xID.dLUG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4626 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:59:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 522375635bb4772ec5897886f7592021 You know, I have noticed that when I don't have a new pedal to give a distinctive texture to a part, I am forced to try something uncharacteristic (musically, that is). It made me realize how much I think in textural terms. Trevor From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:23:48 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 07:43:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHsKO-00030H-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:42:56 -0800 Message-ID: <3518DF72.72AA@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:41:54 +0000 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gear judgement and expression References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BH_vAB.A.M_B.1RSG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4621 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:42:56 -0800 X-UIDL: ef055f50518dc4103c10421697283dc7 Kim Flint wrote: > > At 01:44 PM 3/25/98 +1000, Jamie Lack wrote: > >I am often suspicious of statements like the one below. > > you should be, so am I. > > [snipped out a bunch of stuff I wrote to irritate gearheads like me] > > >I don't understand the purpose of such generalised public statements. Also, it is always good to police yourself. I'm sure we all teeter on the brink of the abyss of pointless wank. God knows that I have. Trevor From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:22:38 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 03:07:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHo1V-0004nY-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:07:09 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: "Stefano Voulaz" , Subject: ProjeKct 2 :refund? Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:58:43 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd57dc$f9d43ea0$LocalHost@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"q_C8W.A.EDE.7ROG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4614 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:07:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 12bdd61ab6eac801a5af3f359df46e37 Hi folks , just wanted to chip in my 2 dimes. I noticed some of you weren`t happy with the shows. No offence , but: I feel that when you go to a show with Robert Fripp and/or Belew , Bruford ,Gunn Levin and all the ppl from THAT camp you know what to expect: anything can happen. Wether they play under the name of King Crimson or Project 2 or whatever , there is no telling what they`ll do. I think they have earned the right to do this. The pact between the ticketbuying audience and the performer does not apply with these ppl: By that I mean, When Fripp performs you cannot demand that he`ll play "21 century scizoid..." OR demand that he plays with the sounds that you expect/like. All you can demand is that he does his best. If Fripp wanted to play to that cheesy piano patch for 2 hours or the show didn`t break new ground or whatever , I still don`t think there is any reason to complain. By doing things his own way for 3 decades and SURVIVING , I think he has the right to perform on his own terms. As for improvised music , the audience really has no right to say: "To my ears , Fripp played too many notes today, maybe he`s losing it?" If you got 10 minutes of great music then you should count yourself lucky. Its not often one get to WATCH great music beeing made. I wasn`t there when they played , there is a rather large ocean stopping me from attending most of the shows these guys play. Maybe I wouldn`t have liked it either (as some of you didn`t). But that happens sometimes. And Fripp has earned his right to jump off the cliff when he plays. Sometimes it may go wrong. But if the show is not what you hoped for/wanted/expected I still think you are overreacting when you start questioning his artistic/creative judgement. As for questioning those 30 years............lets not lose our heads here. Yours , Thomas W Quote: "I`m working on becoming a guitarist in a suitcase" -Fripp , after describing a simple, travel-friendly setup he`s checking out. From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:22:41 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 03:10:04 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHo4D-0005AB-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:09:57 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHo4A-0007gK-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:09:54 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHo45-00059R-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:09:49 -0800 Message-ID: <009101bd57dd$d9eb3020$8b23dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: ProjeKct 2 @ House Of Blues, LA Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:04:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"nRUriB.A.XPE.bTOG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4615 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:09:49 -0800 X-UIDL: d237f011bc5f173e02862b55de7a196c Hi Folks! I just got home a little while ago and thought I'd pontificate while the memory was still fresh. :) >>>>P.S. That being say, the P2 song directly after the intermission was >>>>*very* cool, erie, and sublime. How in the heck was Gunn triggering those >>>>vocal samples? IMO, this song hinted at what this group of musicians are >>>>capable of. The fact, for a start, that this was also true of the HOB show tonight is indicative that perhaps it's not ALL improvisation. God forbid, could there be a structure to it? The sound of course is difficult to guage to the side of the stage, but from the left bar I had a great view of RF, who was quite well-lit, and mixed in well. The bass notes, though, were strictly pants-and-bar-rattling, and were toned enough not to be a rolling rumble. Trey Gunn's playing appeared to be expending the most energy visually, second place going to Adrian Belew's quite capable drumming, third, of course, goes to the Smooth Unflappable One playing guitar. On the basis of what people had already complained about, I decided to enter this as a blank page, much as I had the HOB shows that RF put on a few years ago for the 1999 release. I'd not even heard "The First Day", nor "1999", so I had absolutely no idea going in, and was delighted. To each his own, I suppose some of you are saying. I was told flat out by one fellow there that he "hoped there weren't any Soundscapes, 'cause he didn't come to hear THAT". This of course, while Soundscapes - not Live, I'm fairly sure! - were playing over the PA. >The consensus of the recent postings regarding this show seems to have >been that there was one really magical moment during the evening, and the >other parts were of less interest. I disagree on most levels of the above statement as far as tonights show was concerned; the only parts that could border on possible tedium were broken up by another player's work. I had the impression at times that a game of musical catch was occurring, but not in the serial sense. I'm sure this makes a great deal of sense to everyone, perhaps as much as tonight's performance was to some. Undoubtedly the "usual" HOB-Crimson-Fripp crown was there... In the beginning you could see the ones who were perhaps looking too hard for the thing to satisfy them, their faces a cross between being spaced-looking, and flat-out confusion. The people sporting these faces, alas, were not visible during the second part of the show. I came away thinking of it all as "Juju Space Jazz" Meets Adrian and Trey, somehow. It was evident that all three of them had a good time. RF did a kind of shading his eyes and looking out over the crowd through the lights, which, when he did it a second time, brought some level of a surge of cheers from the crowd. So (apparently) he did it again, eliciting a larger cheer. A parallel I can draw is to Eno/Byrne's "My Life In The Bush With Ghosts", which took some number of listenings before I could appreciate it fully. When I got there, I loved the album (and I've got one of the ones with "Kuran" on it!), and it hasn't disappointed me yet. I can say I hope they don't do nothing BUT this stuff. I had the distinct impression that, in these two sets of 3 people touring in different parts of the world, several things are happening beyond the obvious.... 1. We're seeing more individual efforts in focus, as opposed to in conjunction with 5 others. 2. There is probably a good amount of writing going on between these shows. It would be interesting to see how much variation may or may not exist between an array of shows. Anyone? Larry? 3. None of us know what the hell is really going on anyway, so perhaps we should just sit back and wait to assess the entire body of work when they're finished, and enjoy the effort-in-progress. [putting on flame-repellent armor] Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:22:59 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 04:28:16 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHpHy-0004Uc-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:28:14 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHpHw-0001DL-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:28:12 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHpHt-0004U5-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:28:09 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:40:59 -0600 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Gear judgement and expression To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <3518FB5B.2109@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: <"jQW5X.A.B8D.GfPG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4616 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:28:09 -0800 X-UIDL: f8c06ea8a1e4d8b0e4a4bf3f2bf8046d Jamie Lack touched a raw nerve: > Does any other loopers out there feel that the arrival of more > expressive control devices is overdue? > If you think about it, the volume pedal is a very simple thing. > Can't we do better? > > Instead of being able to control one parameter with one appendage, we > should be able to achieve a higher resolution. > Like, the flexion of each joint, say? > Or maybe contraction of muscles. > > The most promising thing I have seen to date is the Ribbon controllers > and scratch pads, or the Korg wavedrum. > > The "mastery" of these complicated electronic toys will be assisted, I > think, through better means of control. > > So, let's hear some weird ideas, eh? Yes! One of the main reasons I subscribe to this group is for the occasional dribble of information about how someone _controls_ a complex equipment setup. I don't have nearly the degree of control I'd like to have over my own gear (which is described in excessive detail at http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/mysetup.htm). My hands are full of guitar, and my left foot is almost always dedicated to a pedal keyboard, so my right foot is the obvious candidate for controlling other parameters. For years, I've managed two quite comfortably: A volume pedal on the output of the synthesizer driven by my MIDI guitar, and a footswitch atop the volume pedal, used at first to start and stop a drum machine, now the sustain pedal for the synth driven by the pedal keyboard. The addition of the Vortex to my rig has completely upset the apple cart. To completely control it, I need an expression pedal and four footswitches. I'm resigned to the necessity of putting together something like the pedal used by the MTI Auto-Orchestra (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/pkbd.htm#MTI), which had four switches mounted on the moving part of a volume pedal. But when I do, I'll still often have situations where my right foot is on one pedal when it needs to be on the other, or on both simultaneously. As a recovering pedal steel guitarist, accustomed to using knee levers, I naturally considered knee-operated switches and pots. Unfortunately, my knees are moving so much in discharging their other duties that they couldn't achieve the precision needed to control musical events. Ditto my elbows and head (I'm singing or playing harmonica most of the time). Maybe I'm just maxed out. Maybe there's a natural law to the effect that "thou shalt do this much, and no more." I would gratefully welcome any suggestions toward a solution. And I'd really like to hear how Patrick Smith controls his rig, which dwarfs mine in complexity. :-) John Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/) From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:23:04 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 04:40:29 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHpTn-0005cZ-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:40:27 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHpTk-0001Vy-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:40:24 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHpTg-0005bh-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:40:20 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:45:23 -0600 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Gear judgement and expression To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <3518FC62.5E83@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: <"y_Ap4.A.s-E.fqPG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4617 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:40:20 -0800 X-UIDL: b87f55f23926ee9eb8ccfed1d2135001 Kim Flint wrote a fairly lengthy post: I just want to go on record, for once, as agreeing with everything Kim said. :-) John From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:23:24 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 06:08:19 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHqqm-0005Q9-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:08:16 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHqqj-0003SM-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:08:13 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHqqa-0005O8-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:08:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199803251411.JAA07588@mail.ramlink.net> From: "brown25" To: Subject: Re: where DAW Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:03:30 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0wg-2C.A.3pE.77QG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4618 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:08:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 6b282f56f692306d5f8014f874835d31 SAW + is a pc based digital audio workstation made by innovative quality software. You can find them on the net at http://www.iqs.com I have an ADAT because it allows me to do some things that I cannot do with my current computer system. For instance...I can record multiple tracks at one time on the ADAT...something I think you can do with certain SAW programs now, but I no longer have the processing speed, nor extra sound cards, nor extra expansion slots for cards...for such updates. Anyway, I will try to experiment on the ADAT a lot of times...for instance..on my current project...I transfered the looped thing I was working on from my pc to my ADAT...then worked with it in real time. I recorded some tabla, guitar, and some other stuff. After listening to it all together...it didn't really work good together....so I didn't use any of it..but I did take some of the tabla out to make a loop for the last part of the song. It's a pain to clutter your hard drive with this much experimentation...when recording large 44.1 K files...so the ADAT has been a useful tool, but it's definitely not necessary. It's just something that helps me out. dig? brown25 ---------- > From: Michael Peters > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Subject: AW: where DAW > Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 2:40 AM > > sorry if this has already been answered ... > > >I paid 600 bucks for SAW + > > what's SAW+ ? > > also, in one sentence, why does one need ADAT if one has a multiplex > soundcard and can do all recording on the harddisk? (I'm about to invest > into some harddisk recording gear so I'm wondering) > > michael peters mpeters@csi.com > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ > > > > From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:23:28 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 06:17:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHqzR-0006QJ-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:17:13 -0800 Message-ID: <35191087.26019C49@Pirnie.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:11:20 -0500 From: "Lee Wordsman" Reply-To: Lwordsman@Pirnie.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Phemonemom References: <000601bd576f$a73b2720$8922dacf@earthlight> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oMxFyB.A.NrF.2ERG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4619 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:17:13 -0800 X-UIDL: baee9aac2078023e9ff9af6e2a07d62b A trill is a series of hammer ons and pull offs. If you fret a string on the third fret with your first finger and then hammer down on the fifth fret with your third finger and hold that note you have performed a hammer on. A double stop is simply playing two notes on seperate strings together a la the famous Chuck Berry riff from Johnny B. Goode. Violinist often use double stops as well. Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > >>In addition, what is a 'hammer-on'? Sounds like some kinda CB lingo... :) > >>Really, though, is it some kind of finger-tapping technique? > > From: Jesse Kudler > > >This one I do know. A hammer-on is simply hammering a note down on the > >fretboard without plucking the string. Usually done after playing another > >note. You then simply use another finger to tap a higher fret. > > Ok, then! Is this like what some would call a 'trill', stylistically or > musically? > > Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! > EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:23:30 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 06:30:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHrCb-0000Xi-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:30:49 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980325092618.007c0100@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:26:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Re: a whole lotta loop In-Reply-To: <577c14f8.3518bc95@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3tCm4.A.tKH.sPRG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4620 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:30:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 84ee68e2d6e6b1cfd7ea527014d236bf At 03:13 AM 3/25/98 EST, the LoopDocs wrote: >Jimmy Page and echoplexes is kind of a funny backwards loop rock history >thing. And it's cool that his name has come up here. > ..... > (And for those who want to > debate rock history, we put Gilmour in the seventies.) I'll drop another name from the seventies who really turned me on to using echoplex - or in my case at the time, it was the less expensive Maestro Sireko. That name would be Joe Walsh of the James Gang (boy was I disappointed when he joined the Eegles). Anyway, on the James Gang's first album was a song named "Take A Look Around" which featured an ethereal echoplexed solo that really turned my head and ears. **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:23:54 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 08:23:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHsxP-0000e1-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:23:15 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD57DD.461DF800@tor-usr20.075023.aracnet.net> From: Jon Grant To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , "'Michael Peters'" Subject: DAW vs. ADAT info Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:58:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"AwDK5.A.0oG.J0SG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4622 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:23:15 -0800 X-UIDL: f2628f5064e75c0784f73de5b8af4e2f The reason for getting an external media device ( there are several aside from the ADAT that are preferable: they are, essentially, an additional dedicated harddrive and CPU for sound storage ) is to get access to a larger number of audio channels simultaneously. For example, your computers' combination of CPU (speed, floating point, etc.) and harddrive (data transfer rate and access time) dictates how many audio tracks the computer will be able to handle. With my PC setup (233mmx chip, SCSI III drive), I can get 26 or 27 tracks playing simultaneously. My other PC (100mhz chip, EIDE drive) could only handle about 12 tracks. Also, as mentioned, you need a good quality soundcard. There are many on the market with good A/D converters and good frequency handling. You also need a large hard drive capacity (I often run out of space on my 3 gig SCSI drive). The ADAT or other removable media lets you actually save the original tape, whereas your harddrive cannot do that (you must master or transfer the soundfiles to something else - most people just do an audio mix down to DAT or CDR or cassette). Also, most soundcards have only 2 ins and 2 outs, so you're very limited as to recording and monitoring routes. My setup gives me 8 ins and 8 outs, but I really need to upgrade to 16 ins (you can't record many bands with only 8 ins). Let me know if you have any specific questions, as I have researched this a fair amount. I now run a recording studio that is PC based, and sounds as good as any I've heard! Cheers, Jon Grant Tian Music www.aracnet.net/~tianmus From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:23:55 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 08:25:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHszl-0000yV-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:25:41 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:13:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: AW: where DAW Resent-Message-ID: <"Po7ql.A.D4G.81SG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4623 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:25:41 -0800 X-UIDL: f6711fe102d6033f60d6710b90e2f2dc >sorry if this has already been answered ... > >>I paid 600 bucks for SAW + > >what's SAW+ ? > >also, in one sentence, why does one need ADAT if one has a multiplex >soundcard and can do all recording on the harddisk? (I'm about to invest >into some harddisk recording gear so I'm wondering) > I primarily do disk-based recording, but a friend has an ADAT that I can borrow/rent as needed. In the last couple of projects I've worked on, I did all the basic tracking on ADAT and mixed, edited and mastered on the computer. I think recording a full band is way easier with ADAT. The media is way cheaper and easier to swap when one gets full, very handy when the band has to do 10 takes of a song to get it right. Also, an ADAT is much less likely to crash in the middle of *THE MAGIC TAKE* (one of the studio versions of murphy's law is that if a hardware failure is going to happen, it will only happen during the recording of a truly magical, unreproduceable moment). Also, since I don't exactly have a studio space, I record at the band's houses, rehearsal spaces, whatever. It's much easier to move and set up an ADAT system than a computer. And I've never had to defragment an ADAT. But if you're doing the one person overdubbing one track at a time home studio thing, a hard disk system will probably be fine. OK, so thins was more than one sentence. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 22:57:38 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 22:30:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yI6Be-0001rh-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:30:50 -0800 Message-ID: <35193B87.459D@pop.interport.net> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:14:58 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gear judgement and expression References: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F669@mail.exapps.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hj2K8D.A.c9.ORfG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4642 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:30:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 23fca1effda12d4ffb5cc718d076e856 hello everyone. I am a musician/hypnotherapist/metaphysician who has just ordered but not yet recieved my first echoplex. I also ordered a digitech xp300 and also own some other delays and effects. I have experimented with looping in my series of hypnotic audiotapes by using samples of voice and cd/video hits. I used anything i thought would be trance inducing. I got a great deal and bartered for time in a friend's studio. we recorded everything direct to disc using his synclavier. He did all the programming and stuff, but i fell in love with the idea of looping but had no gear or expertise. I ve been wanting to incorporate live performance of trance inducing music with hypnovocals. when i discovered you guys I found out how. thanks. I'm expecting echoplex within 3 weeks. meanitime i practice harmonic minor and whole tone scales with ebow.I'm developing a clientelle here in Flushing Queens NY and am interested in selling my tapes mail/web order. Really very affordable$5, and very effective. I just had a new website put up. anyone interested please check it out. I welcome response and comments about the site gear or tips for a neophyte. Ps. check out my carvin on founder page. its really the best gtr i've ever played or heard and the most beautiful. I'm not just saying! www.changenow.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 26 10:05:58 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 02:49:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHusM-0000ci-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:26:10 -0800 Message-ID: <35193C6E.FCE7A448@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:18:38 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Wanted: MIDI program change foot controller. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.5.32.19980324135310.00833170@wavefront.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Pme8IC.A.WaG.BlUG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4628 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:26:11 -0800 X-UIDL: a291b62996d06028bc29e8895d3d4c49 Hey, A friend of mine wants to buy a simple midi foot pedal, and I want to reccomend one to him but I can't remember the model # of the one that I used to use. It was an ADA model that had 10 small red buttons for patch change and bank up and down buttons. Does anyone know what I'm talking about or know of anyone selling one used? Something similar would be OK as long as it has at least 10 prg change buttons on it, so that you didn't have to bank up and down all the time. -- Mark Sottilaro http://web.syr.edu/~msottila "I know who you are baby I've seen you go into that meditative state You're the snake charmer, baby and you're also a snake You're a closed circuit... --Laurie Anderson From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:24:09 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 10:01:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHuUf-0005LG-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:01:41 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:48:00 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199803251748.AA06892@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Phemonemom Resent-Message-ID: <"VsX1WD.A.feD.EOUG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4627 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:01:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 14c649f9fba04f16226df5bef651867a >A trill is a series of hammer ons and pull offs. If you fret a string on the >third fret with your first finger and then hammer down on the fifth fret with >your third finger and hold that note you have performed a hammer on. > >A double stop is simply playing two notes on seperate strings together a la the >famous Chuck Berry riff from Johnny B. Goode. Violinist often use double stops >as well. Don't forget the double-stop hammer-on! Although the only one I think I've ever done is a going up from a barred major third to a minor third on the B+G strings (a la "Please please please let me get what I want") Sean could do "Life during Wartime" this way too I suppose From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 22:55:52 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 11:16:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHveb-0006uo-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:16:01 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980325124900.00760dd0@texas.net> X-Sender: ranjones@texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:49:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: sale! (was. switcher) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"O7cLz.A.hyE.dSVG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4630 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:16:01 -0800 X-UIDL: c6e7cbc8d3211d425c4fc8ecadff0587 Uh OH, I have a small penis and was thinking of getting a Klein guitar, do you think all the girls in the audience will pigeon hole me before I start playing? Randy Jones At 06:26 PM 3/24/98 -0500, you wrote: >>The more expensive a band's gear is, the worse they are. >> >>turns out to be true surprisingly often. It's either the weekend warrior >>thing where they have a good day job, plenty of disposable income to buy >>toys, and no time to practice, kids with rich parents and no particular >>dedication to anything, or what we might call the >>"guy-with-small-penis-and-really-fast-sports-car" syndrome. >> >>The people who are really confident in their music skills seem quite able to >>get on stage with really simple gear, and they are the ones that usually end >>up impressing hell out of me. I'll never forget the time I saw Max Roach >>play with the bare minimum of a drum set, and keep an auditorium full of >>jazz musicians fully entertained for an hour and a half. >> >>That should be your goal, not the impressive list of gear. > >Whoa! On a list with the high Klein-density of this one, we might want >to tread carefully! :-) > >Travis Hartnett >"I'm just a cord-straight-into-the-fridge kind of player" > > > From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 11:15:09 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 11:06:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHvUp-0005ct-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:05:55 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:52:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803251852.NAA29645@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: jamperson features/Rang at Daddy's Resent-Message-ID: <"5Os8AD.A.UvD.LKVG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4629 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:05:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 0fe6897b5765a1f6541f4b052eeb0297 > >I mean loop times. Wonder what a loop lime tastes like? >How about loop kippers? They tend to repeat on people...! > You have to adjust the foodback controls. Frank Gerace Dreamchild > > > > From ???@??? Thu Mar 26 10:06:08 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 04:51:32 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIC7y-0001ql-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:51:26 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIAof-0002Ca-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:27:25 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIAoZ-0001ob-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:27:19 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:53:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803251853.NAA29761@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: Re[2]: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... Resent-Message-ID: <"hG05t.A.8QB.RqjG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4649 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:27:19 -0800 X-UIDL: b287ac1800c1990d557a9e52dba98928 At 03:00 PM 3/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >> From: Laurie Hatch > >> The age-old "artiste" question comes to mind, and it's one of the >toughest we >>(snip). There are no easy, or "correct" answers. But we've >gotta >> constantly ask the question. > >Hmmm....Miko hinted at this too I think. I've been pondering this idea of >"re-inventing" yourself musically. Is it responsible or proper for an >artist to take his or her rough sketches out on the road to present it to >his/her audience? Or is it more responsible to refine the work and present >it as a finished product? As humans, I know that part of the experience >and joy of reaching a new level or obtaining a goal is the journey >itself....but...don't you feel cheated when someone presents you with >something that is less than you know they are capable of producing? >Hmmm..... I believe if these artists (Fripp, Crimson, anybody we hold on a high level) toured a bit more often and we didn't view going to see them with such awe and as a rare treat, it wouldn't be so irritating to see/hear them work out new ideas in sketch form at shows. (This has more to do with our viewing these events as "special", which, given the logistics for touring, unfortunately, seems to be likely to continue.) There is a certain excitement you get hearing these explorations when they go somewhere. The price you pay is that they don't always succeed, just like our own explorations. When you have a group of improvisers gigging together regularly, you run some risks. One is that on an uninspired night,to give the audience something for their time and mony, there's a little falling back on old favorite licks and tones. Another is just a plain uninspired performance. When it succeeds. it can be wonderful. When it fails, it fails. I think the idea of "R&D" Fripp talks about for the projekcts makes it apparent that it might be a bust on any given night. I don't think its an easy thing for any inventive artist to totally re-invent themselves. It takes time to rid yourself of habits you find pleasing in your playing, especially one's you've come up with the last time you redefined yourself, non? If Fripp didn't use that Fripp fuzz tone or craft those particular types of soundscapes, then what? I think taking the explorations on the road allows the musicians time to play their old tricks, realize they do or don't work and in what contexts they succeed. A recontextualized old trick may show a new side to the player and listener that allows for further exploration. As for whether I feel cheated when they present me with less than I assume them capable of, I have to judge that in context. Was it an exploratory, improvisational evening? If so, maybe they weren't "on". Was it after much refinement and studio work and the artist deemed it ready to be presented as gtroundbreaking and then it was just the same old stuff? Then, I'd feel cheated. The bottom line for me, as I won't get a chance to see Projeckt 2 unless it comes to Boston (which doesn't seem to be on the schedule) is that if over time they manage to come up with a new approach to music for the next Crimson album it was worth it. If they had a good time doing the exploring and came up with nothing new, they had a good time, and did some good playing, even thoough it was nothing groundbreaking. At least they tried. Frank Gerace Dreamchild Then Travis wrote >The consensus of the recent postings regarding this show seems to have >been that there was one really magical moment during the evening, and the >other parts were of less interest. I remember Miles Davis once said that >if you played one new idea in a night (at a time when a gig was four >sets), it was a success. And Miles' band was playing standards, so there >was at least a framework to lean on. Five or ten minutes of hot stuff in >a improvised gig sounds pretty good to me. > >Travis Hartnett > As usual, someone sums it all up much more suscinctly. Well said. > >> From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 22:56:55 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 15:46:40 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHzsN-0001Ni-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:46:31 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHvs6-0000EQ-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:29:58 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHvrn-0000rz-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:29:39 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19980325115110.29ff8eac@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> References: <199803242315.PAA12875@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> <199803242141.NAA10790@gw1.bi-tech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:10:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Quantity vs Quality Resent-Message-ID: <"moB1Q.A.fdG.ffVG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4631 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:29:39 -0800 X-UIDL: d7600d61d69f065b556bbd8a28e52521 Dr. Hughes, PhuD. wrote: >Our Man Flint discussed the benefits of the latest secret-agent gear: > >>The more expensive a band's gear is, the worse they are. > >Damn, you're right! I never before realised how good Green Day are till >you mentioned that...! Actually, I've found them pretty entertaining sometimes. They seem to have the rock band vibe figured out pretty well. Although, they also live in really large houses now, and have gear that is not at all cheap, which would explain them doing acoustic ballads on Mtv. but punk is a good example of my principle. No unnecessary gear getting in the way of the music. Just let all the attitude flow right out there in a good cathartic thing. If Fripp let people stage dive, his shows would be much better IMHO. >>turns out to be true surprisingly often. It's either the weekend warrior >>thing where they have a good day job, plenty of disposable income to buy >>toys, and no time to practice, kids with rich parents and no particular >>dedication to anything, or what we might call the >>"guy-with-small-penis-and-really-fast-sports-car" syndrome. > >Now, who's going to own up to #3? ;) And bearing in mind your >I-could-trade-this-lot-for-a-new-car, klein+EDP+boogie+Rocktron setup, >where do you place yourself? A few years ago I had an old aria pro 2 and a Nady Lightning amp (betcha haven't seen one of those!), and I practiced endlessly. Since then, I've been steadily sinking into weekend warrior land for the past few years, which is depressing but damn it sure sounds better. btw, I drive a honda civic, if anyone's curious about my position on #3. I drive it really fast, though. ;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 22:55:54 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 11:37:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHvz8-0001lO-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:37:14 -0800 From: Jazdout Message-ID: <817ab0b.351958d1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:19:43 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: esi-32 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"sTNFPC.A.ZJH.2kVG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4632 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:37:14 -0800 X-UIDL: ae108f8ac20db4031a3eef558d9e5b82 hello any tips for an esi-32 user. Also does anyone know of a cheap program thst i could do sample editing and ect to send to the esi32 via system ex.(pc) p.s. this is a good thing you guys got going here. Pete From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 10:22:17 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 02:11:56 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHnA3-00074T-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:11:55 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHnA0-00063M-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:11:52 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHn9y-00073z-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:11:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980325115110.29ff8eac@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:51:10 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Quantity vs Quality In-Reply-To: <199803242315.PAA12875@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> References: <199803242141.NAA10790@gw1.bi-tech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HARnBC.A.AXG.QfNG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4611 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:11:50 -0800 X-UIDL: ac74d0d695d99afa4175f072833ca24c Our Man Flint discussed the benefits of the latest secret-agent gear: >The more expensive a band's gear is, the worse they are. Damn, you're right! I never before realised how good Green Day are till you mentioned that...! >turns out to be true surprisingly often. It's either the weekend warrior >thing where they have a good day job, plenty of disposable income to buy >toys, and no time to practice, kids with rich parents and no particular >dedication to anything, or what we might call the >"guy-with-small-penis-and-really-fast-sports-car" syndrome. Now, who's going to own up to #3? ;) And bearing in mind your I-could-trade-this-lot-for-a-new-car, klein+EDP+boogie+Rocktron setup, where do you place yourself? (btw I group myself in with type #1, but without the good pay) Aren't we all a bit in trouble? After all, EDPs and JamMen are hardly basic in a John Lee Hooker kinda way.. Elsewhere, on Fripp: >> Perhaps his timing as a comedian is just off? >He should keep his day job. No threat to Seinfeld, that's for sure. :) Isn't it on The Great Deceiver that he introduces himself to the audience as "Chickles Fripp"? Michael ...whose pared-down setup of guitar, Peavey amp, JamMan and three Boss/Dod pedals should not be taken as an indication of purity - merely poverty! From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 22:56:24 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 12:48:12 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHx5f-0002pR-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:48:03 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHx5d-0003JD-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:48:01 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHx5K-0002mY-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:47:42 -0800 Message-ID: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F669@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'John Pollock' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Gear judgement and expression Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:32:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"fGKwX.A.bDB.qoWG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4633 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:47:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 9681791e111de5f24b9abf28e2b04733 John - from what you've described of your set-up, I think you've got a new sport worthy of inclusion to the next Summer Olympics!! David -----Original Message----- From: John Pollock [SMTP:johnpollock@delphi.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 7:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gear judgement and expression My hands are full of guitar, and my left foot is almost always dedicated to a pedal keyboard, so my right foot is the obvious candidate for controlling other parameters. For years, I've managed two quite comfortably: A volume pedal on the output of the synthesizer driven by my MIDI guitar, and a footswitch atop the volume pedal, used at first to start and stop a drum machine, now the sustain pedal for the synth driven by the pedal keyboard. John Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/) From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 22:57:11 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 19:41:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yI3Xe-0005zY-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:41:22 -0800 Message-ID: <351974AD.B6B365E9@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:18:37 +0100 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sale! (was. switcher) References: <3.0.32.19980325124900.00760dd0@texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XP_5UB.A.ChE.BwcG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4636 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:41:22 -0800 X-UIDL: c9b100f409425cf2f1b3590ad28ef8b7 Randy Jones wrote: > > Uh OH, > > I have a small penis and was thinking of getting a Klein guitar, do you > think all the girls in the audience will pigeon hole me before I start > playing? Yes Yes :-] Claude From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 22:57:32 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 21:38:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yI5MO-0003ma-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:37:52 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:27:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803252127.QAA05961@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Rocktron/MS 20 unholy alliance Resent-Message-ID: <"48l7LD.A.-IC.XaeG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4640 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:37:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 4addc2ed840a52b546cd5d4f757806af >From what I understand, they enable you to control pre-MIDI synths by enabling MIDI control through the CV input on the synth Kenton makes several models and also retrofits many vintage synths in this fashion PAIA Electronics markets a kit for a convertor that looks pretty good Both companies have Web sites (tho' I can't get on Kenton's with my primitive browser) Tom At 07:47 PM 3/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >Didn't somebody mention CV <--> MIDI converters a while back? What's the >story on them? -sorry I forgot. > >Tom wrote: >>BUT I don't think what you are proposing will work--I am a total newcomer >to >MIDI, but the MS 20 is more IDI than MIDI, time-period wise. I believe the >modules will respond to CV and external inputs, but all those 1's and 0's >will probably mess it's head . . . HMMMMM . . . < > >Rob > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 22:57:33 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 21:38:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yI5N9-0003rg-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:38:39 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:27:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803252127.QAA06031@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Sylvian fave discs--THANKS & Czukay vs DR. Walker Resent-Message-ID: <"C0Y5O.A.EKC.haeG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4641 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:38:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 3206ea5ec45fc61c96f50c648c96694c At 10:46 PM 3/23/98 -0500, you wrote: > I would urge anyone to go out & purchase CLASH by Holger Czukay ( >no introduction needed) & Dr, Walker ( of Air Liqide)improvised Mesmerizing >techno loops & samples for 2 1/2 hours!THis is a good representation of >Holgers US tour early last year. I just happened to be in LA to expierence >it first hand Any body else see this?THe real deal. I paid $15.99 for 2 >discs. Release of year so far. K LAW > > Since I've been digging his collaboration with DS on the "Plight and Premonition" disc (along with the "Secrets of the Beehive" disc--THANKS ALL for your feedback) . . . guess it's time to play "stump the record clerk" again (raised eyebrows at the eclectic discs I special order on tips from YOU ALL) No, not "the Clash", "CLASH" ! drone on~~~~~~~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 22:56:31 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 13:49:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHy2V-0002cp-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:48:51 -0800 From: Nmb11 Message-ID: <171efe33.35197835@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:33:39 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: where DAW unsubscribe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Resent-Message-ID: <"izE7KC.A.12.XiXG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4634 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:48:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 0f03f26b7449bfcfcf8ddbf5ae0dc63d i would like to unsubscribe thank you From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 22:57:30 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 21:16:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yI51f-0001Kc-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:16:27 -0800 From: Nmb11 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:35:05 EST To: nyfac2@nyfac.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Magic feathers again unsubscribe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Resent-Message-ID: <"6h4oGD.A.YL.SJeG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4639 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:16:27 -0800 X-UIDL: e3846fa54e774489e1f69970bb795e44 i would like to unsubscribe thank you From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 22:56:56 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 16:01:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yI075-0003G0-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:01:43 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: stretching Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:48:28 +0100 Message-ID: <19980325234827899.AAA185@modem16.dinonet.it> Resent-Message-ID: <"9D2pt.A.-mB.vfZG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4635 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:01:43 -0800 X-UIDL: bec73e0366d123d1341a177e12abbde5 At 18.46 24/03/98 +0100, you wrote: >What are the best devices (or better even, PC software) to time-stretch >samples? > >I find that I'm more and more interested in researching into / playing with >the patterns and structures inherent in natural sounds ... the easiest >example would be birdsong, slowed down (without changing the pitch) so that >our slow mammal brain can really listen to all those tiny melodic and >dynamic details ... really looking very closely at sounds is similar to >looking at very small things in a microscope. Remember when you had a >microscope as a kid? > >michael peters mpeters@csi.com >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ > > > > > Hi Michael there are a lot of good sample editors around. I work mostly with Soundforge and Wavelab but Cool edit is good too for time stretching and pitch shifting. In advanced seq-multitrack recorders (like VST for example) you have this option too. ciao leo From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 22:57:19 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 20:22:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yI4BR-0002vq-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:22:29 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Vortex pages Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:05:11 +0100 Message-ID: <19980326000509649.AAA87@modem16.dinonet.it> Resent-Message-ID: <"tk1O9D.A.6jB.3VdG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4638 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:22:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 31193ad519b6fdd9331c1de658e0690a Hi loopers If I'm right some months ago someone collected Vortex settings on a WWW site... I've just purchased my unit and I'd like to share some ideas. Any pointers? thanks ciao leo From ???@??? Thu Mar 26 10:05:36 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 23:16:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yI6u6-0006yb-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:16:46 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980325190326.006fd0f0@mail.txdirect.net> X-Sender: zom@mail.txdirect.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:03:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: zom Subject: Ambient loops? In-Reply-To: <19980325234827899.AAA185@modem16.dinonet.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iw-mrD.A.ByF.v8fG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4644 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:16:46 -0800 X-UIDL: a42d18c769ad7f70b35a81e55c18aed1 I know this is a rather sily question, as a lot of the people here are into (seemingly anyway) more guitar-based loopage, but how many fans/creators of more ambient-style loops (or even Throbbing Gristle style material) are lurking out there? Very curious..... DIY electronic music, Zineage, and more: http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/ From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 22:57:43 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 22:57:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yI6aw-0004lS-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:56:58 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980325220310.0068db84@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:03:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: I Got Gear Judgement and Expression Qs Ova Here!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0Y-lRD.A.vpD.ppfG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4643 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:56:58 -0800 X-UIDL: e0ba407214d7d8afaabce7a6604b5f54 QUESTIONS FOR THE INTELLIGENTSIA/ANTI-INTELLIGENTSIA OR NEITHER OF LOOPDOM BELOW!!(; >And of course the other problem lies between the front and the end. My old >friend midi. If you actively tried, you would not be able to design a worse >networking protocol for musicial instrument control than midi. That alone >has hampered a lot of potential innovation in musical controllers. > Kim, There were other computer interface possibilities when MIDI became the standard, did we sacrifice anything, and do you think MIDI can be improved? >>So, let's hear some weird ideas, eh? >Oh boy oh boy, just wait til I git me edumacated... QUESTIONS: note: these questions may be rhetorical to some but try answering them, you may find it harder than you thought or that something new might come up... In general why loop or sample at all? I mean so what? (; Who has access, that is, look away from yourself and ask yourself why do I do this? Why don't other people? Is it just that they don't know? Or is there some differentiation you might like to take on? When you loop etc. what instruments or sounds do you tend to use and why? What's so special about your guitar, your synth, and your loop/sample product? Why is it relevant or why is it just slack? I mean really so what? (; On the Echoplex what are your favorite choice knobs and what types of sounds do you find most exciting? I hear all kinds of talk about how exhilarating it is, does this live up to it's calling? What does specificaly does the Echoplex do that rivets you to the Loopdom!? If you don't use the Echoplex, why? and what do you use? For DAW users, what specific benefits in pre or post production do you find, and do you think there is a certain sterility in that medium? If not, is there a compensation for it, or is this idea moot? For Jamman users, what recently excites you so much to spend more than half of the recent discussions tooting your loops/delay? How long can you loop as compared to the Echoplex, and how does it rate up for you? Why or why not do you think it gives you an edge over other guitarists/musicians? You can state that these topics just give you extra maneuvers by which to travel, but you use them for a reason, why? Almost lastly, is there a sampling looping culture? This kind of reflects earlier, but here we sit typing email to a list, this implies something of our nature. Also the locale of most of the individuals, and numerous other issues unbeknownst to me. What might typify loopers/samplers? Is that everything does, "hell we could be anybody?!" And further is there a certain communion experienced? Lastly, what do you want to see for looping or sampling that is lacking now? Do you want something more intuitive that anticipates, or responds more in line with you? Is there a danger to the "detente" (; or easing of relations between complexity and simplicity? Or do you think that intuitive systems might continue complexity, new avenues? And dead lastly, while you may want looping or sampling to go a certain direction, where do you think it is headed and why do you think it is positive or negative? These are issues that I hope will socialize us into cheeky and mind stimulatin' dialogue. Please try to log an answer for at least one of these as they may show consensus and creativity where before may've been missed! And hey who knows maybe you will learn something? Eh? Mind-bending concept@! (-; Mjh > From ???@??? Thu Mar 26 10:05:42 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 00:13:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yI7mM-0005Gs-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:12:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980325200806.29e7d47a@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:08:06 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... In-Reply-To: <199803242238.OAA12927@gw1.bi-tech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"XX6QG.A.nME.owgG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4645 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:12:50 -0800 X-UIDL: bcb59e366b39ee3395d5582178e978ae >Hmmm....Miko hinted at this too I think. I've been pondering this idea of >"re-inventing" yourself musically. Is it responsible or proper for an >artist to take his or her rough sketches out on the road to present it to >his/her audience? Or is it more responsible to refine the work and present >it as a finished product? A good point, though in music performance the audience (and indeed the performer) my want to introduce an element of risk; "classical" concerts are all about presenting a previously accomplished work, but I suspect that improvised music turns the performance into half-recital, half-bullfight (will our hero survive?). This can potentially kill some musics as far as I'm concerned; whilst I often enjoy jazz I find that a great many players are too busy trying to find new and ingenious scales to fit over a particular change to worry about the audience or the melody. Which is why I prefer pre-bop jazz; there's less worrying about how clever one appears and more (god help us) fun. (I can tell I'm going to be in trouble after that one) >As humans, I know that part of the experience >and joy of reaching a new level or obtaining a goal is the journey >itself....but...don't you feel cheated when someone presents you with >something that is less than you know they are capable of producing? >Hmmm..... Possibly, and I think that most "improvising" musicians should know enough stuff to provide a safety net for the off days. However, I also hear of times when musicians playing live present the audience with something MORE than they know they are capable of producing. >> >>structure in my looping compositions. I'm tired of improvised >> >>guitar-drones that go nowhere, are lifeless and dead, and brandish the >> >>"Recorded live with no overdubs/Completely improvised" tag. >>>BOOORRRRING. I don't think that's necessarily fair - some of the best music I know of is improvised loop stuff. I don't think the format is necessarily dead just because it's still in it's "novelty" phase. Stereo is probably a good example - I'm sure that by the early 70s all those wild uses of stereo were boring the pants off people (Guitar hard left! Drums hard right! Singer gets to play with Pan knob!). But used effectively it can still impress. There will always be a future for COMPETENT live looping improvisors. But due to the novelty of the gear, there seems to be a market at the moment for ALL live looping improvisors. >I've been experimenting with juxtaposing ambient loops with more melodic >sections...something with a hook or rhythm. I haven't really stumbled upon >anything that "works" but I certainly have cut and pasted a bunch of loops >together in my computer!! Honestly, I don't know what I'm looking >for...but I'm fairly certain that I will know when I find it. Hopefully. I know that ultimately I'd want to compose, really compose, live looped pieces the way Ed Alleyne Johnson (whose praises I regularly sing around here!) does with looped electric violin. However, I'm too busy/lazy (delete as appropriate) to do so.... Michael From ???@??? Wed Mar 25 22:57:18 1998 >From kflint Wed Mar 25 20:22:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yI4BO-0002vg-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:22:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980325221210.0069a038@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:12:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: where DAW unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <171efe33.35197835@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IABXED.A.odB.IVdG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4637 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:22:26 -0800 X-UIDL: b3d526349dc42b293bfc1c305012f48b At 04:33 PM 25-03-98 EST, you wrote: > > >i would like to unsubscribe >thank you > I'm sorry, I need to unsubscribe from Looper's Delight. How do I do that? It's not that I dislike people there or anything, you understand. To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 26 10:05:58 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 02:48:11 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIACX-0005bG-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:48:01 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIACU-0000sX-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:47:58 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIACD-0005Yx-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:47:41 -0800 Message-ID: <002101bd5892$2dafb000$c222dacf@earthlight> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Ambient loops? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:35:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"YnQpqB.A.gSE.cAjG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4647 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:47:42 -0800 X-UIDL: d39982dfa1c2a05cf532b6dac58f7992 zom intoned: >I know this is a rather sily question, as a lot of the people here are into >(seemingly anyway) more guitar-based loopage, but how many fans/creators of >more ambient-style loops (or even Throbbing Gristle style material) are >lurking out there? Very curious..... I'm puzzled at that one just a little. Guitar-based work isn't either ambient or otherwise just because it's guitar-based... Do you mean in terms of it 'sounding' like guitar being a non-ambient element? I know there are probably a number of keyboard/dj-based loopers who might be just as ambivalent on this level. And I certainly think of my work as ambient in nature and inspiration, at least. :) Though, while I've used plenty of Found Objects in my looping, I've not used actual meat. Though I'm told nothing makes a "fist-fight" sound effect like a fist into a wet steak. Yeah, I know, I just couldn't resist. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Thu Mar 26 10:05:59 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 02:51:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIAFs-0005y8-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:51:28 -0800 Message-ID: <004101bd58a4$ac3558a0$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: Subject: Re: Vortex pages Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:48:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"naPyf.A.riE.zCjG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4648 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:51:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 17c98255ec1bf4e758fc2fbcdbcbd788 Unfortunately, Andy Butler's Vortex website has not been available for several months. The web address is available on his profile under "Loopers of the World." It was a very neat website. I've looked for other websites with similar information. The only one that is close is Todd Madson's. His website address is also in "Loopers of the World." Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com Bloomfield Hills, Michigan USA -----Original Message----- From: Leonardo Cavallo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 11:17 PM Subject: Vortex pages > > >Hi loopers > >If I'm right some months ago someone collected Vortex settings on a WWW site... >I've just purchased my unit and I'd like to share some ideas. Any pointers? > >thanks >ciao >leo > > From ???@??? Thu Mar 26 10:05:50 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 02:09:44 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yI9bN-0001gy-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:09:37 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yI9bK-0007XN-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:09:34 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yI9bE-0001fx-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:09:28 -0800 Message-ID: <351A34C5.C4ABFBA4@infobiogen.fr> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:58:14 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Delay mode on JM.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"irC5K.A.K-.ofiG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4646 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:09:28 -0800 X-UIDL: b80121e7fd04b98628e7146cdc2ac158 I'm surprised that none corrected this... Of course you can solo over a loop in the dela mode on JM. The trick is to (like I do...) connect the Jam person using an aux out of a (even micro little) mixing desk. either you close the aux injection or turn the input knob of the JM down while you solo.... As far as clicks are concerned, easy too: just redefine the loop size closing it at a moment the wave makes a zero crossing. You must be careful, it happens maybe only a few time out of 44100 samples each second! 8-) Olivier "please give me other good tricks" Malhomme From ???@??? Thu Mar 26 10:06:05 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 04:28:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIBlq-0007Sh-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:28:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980326062553.007009e0@mail.txdirect.net> X-Sender: zom@mail.txdirect.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:25:53 -0600 To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , From: zom Subject: Re: Ambient loops? In-Reply-To: <002101bd5892$2dafb000$c222dacf@earthlight> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"C87ZO.A.DhG.-ikG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4650 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:28:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 3cfe65f56296cc79c7f2312295159e45 Sorry, What I spose I meant was,,,,,er.......ah.......plop. Really, what I was after was not neccesarily guitar exclusive, but more along the lines of the more ethereal sounds of ambient, as opposed to the more well-defined and structured (at least to me) types of sounds that a guitar usually makes. I've played with both, but prefer the more abstract uses of the guitar....I rarely actually "play" one.....I've used it as a microphone, diddled with various nooks and crannies on it to get those clicky-bendy noises that people HATE to hear out of an expensive guitar (mine's shite) and such........placing a remote control against the pickups and pressing buttons makes for some odd sounds as well..... > >I'm puzzled at that one just a little. Guitar-based work isn't either >ambient or otherwise just because it's guitar-based... Do you mean in terms >of it 'sounding' like guitar being a non-ambient element? I know there are >probably a number of keyboard/dj-based loopers who might be just as >ambivalent on this level. And I certainly think of my work as ambient in >nature and inspiration, at least. :) > >Though, while I've used plenty of Found Objects in my looping, I've not used >actual meat. Though I'm told nothing makes a "fist-fight" sound effect like >a fist into a wet steak. Yeah, I know, I just couldn't resist. > >Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! >EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > > > > DIY electronic music, Zineage, and more: http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/ From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:13:23 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 19:38:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIPy1-0000BP-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:38:05 -0800 Message-ID: <351A4ACA.1F6A@nyfac.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:32:10 +0000 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digital vs analog References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jAgTYB.A.crG.91xG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4667 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:38:05 -0800 X-UIDL: f23f7b97941a4f296bd48742a5bdaf50 Once, I was young boy, and had a dream: To sound just like Robin Guthrie of the Cocteau Twins. So I got myself a 4track, and life was good. I entertained myself for hours, recording tracks too hot, distorting the hell out my tape, running my HR-16 snare sample through a Rat 2 pedal (still do), collapsing tracks, recording with the dbx on and mixing with it off. Lots of noise, but in comparason to my single coils run through lots o' distortion, no big deal. I would like to say that the sound of a Yamaha MT-120 preamp being beaten into submission is one of the coolest sounds ever. Then I started listening to Tones on Tail and Eno. Tape loops seemed to be in order. So I, ah, obtained keys and passcodes to the studios in the school I was attending at the time, and snuck in at night to use the 1/4" machines, wrapping tape around stools, and generally making a mess of things. This was also good. If somewhat messy. Then I was hired to edit music, some of which was classical. That was when I learned that a cello sounds almost exactly like a bass at .25 ips. Life was bad. I was sad. So I bought a Session8, and was doing jobs in a half hour that once took me four. Life was good. Plus, I learned the joys and freedoms of recording non-linearly. Not sure what your solo should sound like? Record twenty of them, edit the cool parts together. Soon, I moved from Philly, city of cheap, lovely, and expansive apartments, to NYC, city of expensive, foul smelling, poorly maintained, closets with bathrooms. My rack+computer were taking up about a quarter of my living space. I also became overly employed, and was actively playing in two bands. The Session8 sat, lonely and forlorn, gathering dust and weeping over the love affair that had gone so well untill we had moved into the big city. I had lost that magic feeling- no longer did I want to boot up the machine, fire up the d/a, the external drives, clear off my desk, clean the pots on my tube preamps, compact my disks, re-patch the mackie, etc, etc, etc. A friend of mine left his four track over one day. We had recorded some stuff in our rehersal space. Figured I would but another track of guitar on with the vocal. I turned the pig on, plugged into an eq and my trusty Rat. Sold my rack, computer, hard drive, preamps. Gonna buy a 4-track again. Funny how these things turn out. From ???@??? Thu Mar 26 10:06:35 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 07:46:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIEri-0002rW-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:46:50 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD58A1.CB7281A0@tor-usr20.075035.aracnet.net> From: Jon Grant To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #138 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:26:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD58A1.CB7281A0" Resent-Message-ID: <"37kDBB.A.1DC.nbnG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4651 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:46:50 -0800 X-UIDL: ccebd5e9c0853b101fcf16c1eec9ee6a The questions were posed: does the venue of digital recording seem sterile/what are the pre&post production benefits? Some people complain about the actual "sound" of digital recordings. They feel there isn't the warmth of the analog sound. This is true (although not necessarily bad). This "warmth" of tone/sound comes from the inherent signal and harmonic distortion that occurs throughout the analog recording process. Also, low-end digital recorders don't have the dynamic or harmonic range of analog equipment. Whenever I record something to a digital source from a microphone, I almost always use an analog tube preamp. There are many of these around of varying quality. These add the distortion/warmth of the analog sound to the digital domain. There are also a few software plug ins that emulate tube preamps that sound very nice. There are, however, many occasions where I choose NOT to add this warmth to the instrument. I just record straight to digital, reducing the distortion to almost nil. As an artist, to have this choice of digital/analog tones increases yet again the ways in which I can express the music. Also, the obvious "cut and paste" abilities of the computer-resident recording/editing format are impossible for any tape-based equipment. If one can use this kind of digital editing and manipulation sensitively and in service to the music, then it becomes a valuable tool. Unfortunately, it also helps us "cheat" when time is running out of performances that day in the studio aren't up to standard. Recently, I recorded three songs performed by a person who was, shall we say, less than gifted vocally. I gave up trying to ask her to redo the tracks, hoping she would fix her mistakes. Finally, I sent her home, pitch shifted, cut and pasted, copied, deleted, and otherwise utterly fritched her performance into something that was at least close to being on pitch and in rhythm. However, it still resulted in a very unmusical track, not following the natural paths a song goes through in a one-take performance. The results when one cuts and pastes even the most musical of performances can be just as unsatisfying. It all depends on whether you can use the equipment to serve your musical vision or whether the equipment controls your music vision. By limiting yourself to simple cut and paste techniques, the DAW user is cheating themself out of a huge range of creative possibilities. 'Struth, I do babble once I get going, don't I? Cheers, Jon Grant Tian Music www.aracnet.net/~tianmus From ???@??? Thu Mar 26 10:07:02 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 09:20:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIGCM-0003LW-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:12:14 -0800 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:53:39 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Digital vs analog In-Reply-To: <01BD58A1.CB7281A0@tor-usr20.075035.aracnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"VEAz7.A.QnB.UhoG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4652 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:12:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 4c8837d2b0c456e3e0279d933a8408f7 I don't want to start a flame war over this, but i must dispute the idea that the "warmth" of analog recording is the result of harmonic distortion (and conversely, that the "cold" sound of digital is the result of a lack of distortion). This is the semi-official mainstream view, i know. It is also pseudo-scientific bullshit that should have been tossed out when doctors stopped using leeches. Harmonic distortion is only one factor in sound quality, and an extremely limited one at that. Worse, THD measurements do not weigh the proportions of different distortion components. Odd harmonics, especially higher order ones, are more offensive to the ear than even harmonics. Second harmonic distortion is literally inaudible below 5%, and even then is perceived only as "loudness" or increased dynamics. My unplugged acoustic guitar sounds "warm". Is this distortion? No, by definition. In the digital realm, my Audio Alchemy DDE D/A converter sounds "warm" in comparison to my Sony Discman. Is this distortion? Highly unlikely, given the quality differential between the two. So, while i can't say yet what makes something sound "warm", i can state pretty definitively that it is NOT simply added distortion! Most modern solid-state devices have vanishingly low distortion specs, but can sound very different from each other, so obviously distortion alone does not explain the differences. I could go into some long diatribe on intermodulation distortion, noise floor modulation, and other nasties associated with digital sound, but i'll avoid that for now. Suffice to say that i do NOT believe what is said about distortion and warmth. -dave Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless. From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:11:56 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 11:39:00 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIIPh-0000DN-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:34:09 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIIPF-0001vT-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:33:41 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIIOG-00005s-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:32:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199803261731.JAA23405@sonic.sonic.com> Subject: Re: Digital vs analog Date: Thu, 26 Mar 98 09:38:48 -0800 x-sender: andy_wolpert@pop.sonic.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Andy Wolpert To: "Loopers Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"WqiLFC.A.JtF.2iqG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4654 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:32:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 3cd9caca2543e515322be69d87ad2d56 Comments on the warmth discussion... >"warmth" of analog recording is the result of harmonic distortion and >what makes something sound "warm", i can state >pretty definitively that it is NOT simply added distortion These statement are not related logically, both could be true, false or any combination The explanation gradually shifted from whether distortion could add warmth to whether distortion and warmth are the same. I am sure this is not what you intended to do. ---------- My two cents, dave is right that it is not the distortion that is the warmth, however there are system which sound warm AND good AND happen to have alot of harmonic distortion, and some systems sound cold AND bad AND have very low distortion. To go a stepo further, given current technology warmth and distortion are often hard to separate. There probably are certain subtle distortions which give sound a metallic and cold feeling that I try to avaoid. ---------- __ _/\_ / \___/ \______ \ Andy Wolpert \__ | Sonic Solutions \ / awolpert@sonic.com / | (415) 893-8043 / \___ __ ___/ \__/ \_____/ From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:11:44 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 10:52:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIHkc-00048s-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:51:42 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD589C.C93247E0.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:50:19 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"e15Jg.A.hqB.N2pG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4653 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:51:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 7d15eb508b7cbf9e446528d2ff42230b Gee, I think everyone who has contributed to this thread has made some *very* insightful comments, and asked very worthwhile questions - really thought provoking. (Kim's yawning. So hit the delete button, fer chrissakes! :-) A few things I'd like to add: I have enormous respect for musicians who are willing to take the risks that P2 is on this tour (or for that matter, any players who are performing improvisational music.) Improvising in a concert setting is one of the most demanding, challenging, (and freeing!) performance environments there is. I'm not sure how many "ground rules" P2 has set up for themselves structure-wise, but regardless, it takes lots of chops (plus a few riffs to fall back on when the going gets rough :-), lots of experience, and a whole lot of guts just to go out there and do it in any contexKct. There inevitably are highs, mediums, and (hopefully not many) lows, as well as some downright loose moments; there certainly were at this concert. But the P2 boyz were laughing at themselves! What the heck - just affirming they're mortals after all, having a good time, pushing the boundaries - they've been on stage a time or two. Within reason, (and that's a very subjective qualification, I admit) I'd *much* rather hear exploratory inconsistencies, self-absorption, and blatant screw-ups (and transcendent, in-the-moment inspiration!) than something slick, canned, and predictable. Especially when I know that's where they're coming from to begin with. These guyz were out there doing what very few musicians are capable of, or willing to try. It's important, I think, in gauging the "success" of such an undertaking, to bear in mind the considerable difficulties and risks inherent in the attempt. (Matt, I know you were referring to "finished" performance as opposed to slick - I'm obviously speaking in much more polarized terms than you were. This is not intended at all to rebut your response, which clearly was thoughtfully c onsidered, and very stimulating. More just my personal view, as is yours, which your questions helped me to identify...) Story time, girlz and boyz: I'm reminded of the first time I heard Emerson, Lake, and Palmer in concert, early 70's. (Oh gawd, that just about puts me in Grandmaville, doesn't it? @8^) I went to their first-of-tour warmup concert in a little college town, and they blew me away. It was flawless, intense, dynamic - big flashy show. Two nights later I saw them in the city. Clone concert, absolutely identical down to the note, nuance, rap, look-up-at-the-crowd-with-sexy-smile-on-this-measure, *everything*. I was really disillusioned. Of course it practically *had* to be done that way; it was a tightly orchestrated and timed production, a huge, expensive tour, loads of technicians each playing a precise and critical part. And it was *very* impressive, at least the first time around! Besides, who was I to judge? They were playing their own ground-breaking, technically demanding music, the concerts were hot, their records were selling, they weren't working day jobs, and they were touring the world! Not too damn bad. But still, the impression lingers. It's not *their* fault I was disillusioned. They were playing their butts off, delighting their fans, and paying the bills. (I do wonder, though, if by the end of the tour, the repetition started to feel stifling, even with the adrenaline rush of playing for huge enthusiastic crowds.) The problem was only mine, in that my expectations were pretty na•ve and idealistic. However, _I don't think that idealism was unfounded at all._ It was a major turning point for me in terms of realizing that improvisation was a more satisfying direction for me personally. (Not terribly lucrative, however. I've certainly had to play my share of covers to pay the rent. At least ELP were playing their *own* covers!) Which is why, at the very least, I admire the scope, vision, and risk of the ProjeKct tours, independent of the music itself. How Fripp, Gunn, and Belew -- and their fans -- will feel about their efforts and depth of experimentation when it's all over is anyone's guess. The music's evolution over the course of the tour will be very interesting. I'd love to hear an "after" cd juxtaposed with the pre-tour recording. (BTW, if you really are hopelessly pathological about this, Gunn's Road Diary has some entries about making the P2 cd, as well as the P1 performances: http://www.treygunn.com/road.html. Hearing about P1 & 2 from one of the participants is actually pretty revealing.) OK, off my soapbox. Thanks for everybody's perceptive, probing questions, and thoughtful ideas. laurie >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike Biffle [SMTP:Mike.Biffle@wj.com] >Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 4:29 PM >To: Looper's Delight; Mike.Biffle@wj.com; T.W. Hartnett >Subject: Re[4]: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... > > Hi Travis... > > I have to say, I was thrilled to hear them do exactly what they did. I > saw Crim play when they were here, and liked that for what that was as > well. Meself... I kind of prefer hearing them tap dance in real time! > > In regards to rough sketches vs. finished product. I believe Fripp has > been very vocal about working fast with limited takes in the studio to > better capture true musicical moments as opposed to canned rote > performances. (This is a pretty polarized way of putting it). > > Does that imply that Crimson with it's highly composed elements is > actually the most restrictive setting for Fripp and possibly at odds > with his real-time playing philosophy? > > I thought that the earlier comparison to Miles early 70's stuff was > pretty cool. Not that I would reference the jazzy synth lines he > played as the most direct linkage to that music... I'd say P2 was more > closely related by their distinct lack of structure and stream of > consciousness approach. Anyone can play cheesy faux bop, but that > doesn't necessarily breathe Miles' magic into it. I give P2 a lot of > credit for their liquid jamminess! > > -Miko > > PS: I think there's another band out there called U2 (formerly UnIt 2) > who Fripp copied the P2 name from! How unoriginal. I believe I heard > him playing a couple of licks from the Zoozopa release as well. tsk, > tsk! 8-> > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: Re: Re[2]: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... >Author: "T.W. Hartnett" at INTERNET >Date: 3/24/98 5:15 PM > > >>Hmmm....Miko hinted at this too I think. I've been pondering this idea of >>"re-inventing" yourself musically. Is it responsible or proper for an >>artist to take his or her rough sketches out on the road to present it to >>his/her audience? Or is it more responsible to refine the work and present >>it as a finished product? As humans, I know that part of the experience >>and joy of reaching a new level or obtaining a goal is the journey >>itself....but...don't you feel cheated when someone presents you with >>something that is less than you know they are capable of producing? > >Not if there's been extensive discussion of the unrehearsed, >improvisational nature of the gig. It would be unexpected (but not >unwelcome to me) if this happened at a King Crimson gig, but the ProjeKct >shows have been publicized as improvisational events. If you want >preplanned pieces, go to a Crimson gig, or buy the record. > >I don't think Fripp, Gunn and Belew are holding anything back, or viewing >this as an easy way out. I think that the ProjeKct shows are what they >are capable of producing at that point, with no pre-planning. Not all of >it may be to one's taste, but that's the risk of attending that sort of >show. > >Travis > > From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:12:16 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 13:12:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIJwV-0002UJ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:12:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 98 13:47:34 EST From: nm@mail.amsinc.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9802268909.AA890948854@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-ID: <"mQ0c3D.A.hd.RGsG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4655 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:12:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 01887c73451e5375dc0770a33ffc2952 Message undeliverable at this time Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from falcon.slip.net by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 13:44:38 EST Return-Path: Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIHVO-0007Ja-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:35:58 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIHTz-0002ZO-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:34:31 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD589C.C93247E0.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:50:19 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Resent-Message-ID: <"e15Jg.A.hqB.N2pG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4653 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:34:31 -0800 Attachment converted: shards o' data:noname (????/----) (00001032) From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:14:10 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 23:41:14 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yITlB-0007VK-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:41:05 -0800 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.net) [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIPXC-0006vc-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:10:22 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIPWv-0004NZ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:10:05 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980326115023.00986100@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:50:23 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" From: Sean Echevarria Subject: New MIDI Controllers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-WrXUC.A.fmC.8WxG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4666 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:10:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 60a699c5e49d4403f50bebae951955ec There was a thread going on about future MIDI controllers that this is in response to. I just came across an article in the lastest Electronic Musician* that no one has mentioned yet. Here's a brief excerpt from the "Tech Page" column by Scott Wilkinson: Morpheus Designs, a company based on the Greek island of Santorini, was demonstrating [at winter NAMM] a product called the MusicMat, which is a mattress pad embedded with numberous force-sensing resistors (FSRs). As you move around in the pad, the FSRs send signals directly to a sound module using a proprietary wireless protocol called Sleep-eNhancing Object-oriented Radio Energy (SNORE). End excerpt. The article includes a picture of the controller with the sound module, standard keyboard controller and monitor emBedded in the MusicMat's headboard. Very cool looking - every body needs one. sean *This was in the April issue of EM. For those not familiar with the US tradition of April Fool's day, now you are. From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:12:23 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 13:32:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIKFh-0005Pc-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:31:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:53:55 -0800 Message-ID: <000ADA76.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[479]: ProjeKct 2 >>> Slick n' Finished VS Fresh n' New To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , Mike.Biffle@wj.com, Laurie Hatch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"8a2QyC.A.NID.0XsG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4656 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:31:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 38a2b41ebece231acb16ae64464441be OB KimF disclaimer... hit that delete button now Kim! 8-> Laurie said... LH: Story time, girlz and boyz: I'm reminded of the first time I heard Emerson, Lake, and Palmer in concert, early 70's. (Oh gawd, that just about puts me in Grandmaville, doesn't it? @8^) MB: Since we're dating ourselves... I saw ELP at the Hollywood Bowl, I believe, in the middle slot with Edgar Winter closing... Rick Derringer on guitar. This had to be in the very early 70's? LH: I went to their first-of-tour warmup concert in a little college town, and they blew me away. It was flawless, intense, dynamic - big flashy show. Two nights later I saw them in the city. Clone concert, absolutely identical down to the note, nuance, rap, look-up-at-the-crowd-with-sexy-smile-on-this-measure, *everything*. I was really disillusioned...SNIP! It's not *their* fault I was disillusioned. They were playing their butts off, delighting their fans, and paying the bills. (I do wonder, though, if by the end of the tour, the repetition started to feel stifling, even with the adrenaline rush of playing for huge enthusiastic crowds.) The problem was only mine, in that my expectations were pretty naïve and idealistic. However, _I don't think that idealism was unfounded at all. It was a major turning point for me in terms of realizing that improvisation was a more satisfying direction for me personally...SNIP MB: I guess the music biz in those days was *very much* oriented to replicating the album for the record buying audience, with some noteworthy exceptions. The promotion of those tours was probably all handled by Label mgt. as well as band mgt. And maybe (just maybe) funds from those tours were repaying label advance promotional and recording budget recoups. The present doesn't seem to have changed that much for major pop artists. On the DIY and Indie front maybe we can harbor different expectations... My comment is this: Is the music being composed and preformed designed to be played or sold? I'm sure many seemingly canned, stale sounding renditions of addmittedly great songs, were originally a passionate attempt of the writer to somehow convey something important to them *at that time*. Time really changes everything though. I keep asking myself how to somehow integrate and present songs I've written over the years in some meaningful way to me. Very dark painful songs have a hard time living next to brighter, funnier material. Whatever was written most recently seems always to have more immediate value even though I still find deep meaning in many of my other songs. Hence my slow swing back to improvised music. It stands in the present for me, and comes without the obligation to go back to retrieve feelings long past. It holds a vast potential as well as the risk of falling into the void. Now it would seem, I have the responsibility to at least some of my songs, to somehow experiment with loose re-arrangements to seek their validity in the current moment. Hopefully with loops and all... There! LD relevance. (If this sort of discussion has totally lost relevance here, sorry... The discussion IS a result of a highly loop involved live performance.) LH: Which is why, at the very least, I admire the scope, vision, and risk of the ProjeKct tours, independent of the music itself. How Fripp, Gunn, and Belew -- and their fans -- will feel about their efforts and depth of experimentation when it's all over is anyone's guess. The music's evolution over the course of the tour will be very interesting. I'd love to hear an "after" cd juxtaposed with the pre-tour recording. (BTW, if you really are hopelessly pathological about this, Gunn's Road Diary has some entries about making the P2 cd, as well as the P1 performances: http://www.treygunn.com/road.html. Hearing about P1 & 2 from one of the participants is actually pretty revealing.) OK, off my soapbox. Thanks for everybody's perceptive, probing questions, and thoughtful ideas. laurie Off mine too... Cheers, -Miko From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:12:46 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 16:22:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIMus-0007KY-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:22:38 -0800 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:18:05 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: RE. stretching (and birdsongs) Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803261518_MC2-380C-880D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"nuHXN.A.UpE.u1uG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4660 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:22:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 5b4b723f7c35ff0bd46c7f15a9b9cbb5 Hello Michael, I thought you might be interested in checking out some software a co-worker of mine is selling for analyzing birdsongs, bat screams etc. He also has some sound samples on his site. The software is a bit pricey but seems to have some powerful functions built in (spectrograms, CCF's ACF's, etc.). Here's his address: http://home.t-online.de/home/raimund.specht/pro_.htm Rob From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:14:05 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 23:15:55 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yITMi-0004Hi-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:15:48 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yITMg-000262-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:15:46 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIRS4-0004Up-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:13:12 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:22:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: jamperson features Resent-Message-ID: <"4P9O3C.A.3DD.kMzG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4672 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:13:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 514580ae86d4d900e0ea5e1644bbe9b7 >In a message dated 3/24/98 4:07:10 PM, Pete wrote: > ><fade, allowing the loop evolve. But i almost always get a >funky little click when sending the fade message while >"recording". And if i hit fade while NOT in record, hitting >tap to end the fading process often adds a click into the >loop.>> > > I use the Digitech PMC-10 to send fade messages all the time and have not had any problems with "clicks." Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:13:31 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 21:13:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIRRn-0004Sa-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:12:55 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:22:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Ambient loops? Resent-Message-ID: <"4gXTo.A.RDD.gMzG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4671 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:12:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 1710368b04547e4aa9d969ddd31d9b3d >I know this is a rather sily question, as a lot of the people here are into >(seemingly anyway) more guitar-based loopage, but how many fans/creators of >more ambient-style loops (or even Throbbing Gristle style material) are >lurking out there? Very curious..... > >DIY electronic music, Zineage, and more: >http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/ Well we tend to trigger our loops with guitars firing synths and filters but the loops come out ambient. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:12:28 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 14:16:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIKwf-0004I8-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:16:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:36:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803262036.PAA24749@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: I Got Gear Judgement and Expression Qs Ova Here!! Resent-Message-ID: <"NOsdRB.A.3LC.hCtG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4658 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:16:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 8a15193931a4aee7e34a495366805006 At 10:03 PM 3/25/98 -0600, you wrote: >QUESTIONS FOR THE INTELLIGENTSIA/ANTI-INTELLIGENTSIA OR NEITHER OF LOOPDOM >BELOW!!(; > >QUESTIONS: >note: these questions may be rhetorical to some but try answering them, you >may find it harder than you thought or that something new might come up... > >In general why loop or sample at all? I mean so what? I use loops when I find them necessary to create a specific mood or to allow me to layer parts when I feel it is appropriate to the music. My usage of loops is like my usage of reverb, distortion, acoustic vs. electric, six string vs. twelve string, etc. etc. It's what works for the song/piece being composed. Exploration is exploration, regardless of the tool. Its fun to create tracy stuff and see what kinds of rythms and noises I can come up with. Some get used, some don't. >Who has access, that is, look away from yourself and ask yourself why do I >do this? Why don't other people? Is it just that they don't know? Or is >there some differentiation you might like to take on? I don't really care who else does this. I'm not doing it because everybody else does or doesn't, but because I find it useful. Sharing ideas and philosophies with people across different styles is a nice plus. I'm not concerned about being in an elite clique who use looping and somehow that difference makes us hipper, I find that silly. Differentiation helps visiblity, so in a marketing sense, it can be useful. I have no problem taking advantage of that, but I don't feel "looping" is a distinct style of music any more than 'synthesizer' or 'fuzz guitar'is a unique style. >When you loop etc. what instruments or sounds do you tend to use and why? >What's so special about your guitar, your synth, and your loop/sample >product? Why is it relevant or why is it just slack? I mean really so >what? When I loop I use the instruments that I play or sounds I find effective. I use a VG-8 guitar system as it gives me a lot of useful sounds. Those I know how to use and room to explore and create new ones I haven't any clue about and can experiment with to my heart's content. And use them or not depending on whether they 'work' in a compositional sense. In addition, my partner, Cheryl, uses her looping device on her voice as her harp is played in a sitting on the floor position and she doesn't have any real leverage with her feet to work the pedals, and isn't running her bass through the mixer. The music we do is melodic and atmospheric. Some is free form and some is structured. We incorporate looping/sampling live on the fly into both types of pieces. What's special about what we have is they are the right tools for creating the music we hear in our heads and enabling us to perform that music live. >On the Echoplex what are your favorite choice knobs and what types of >sounds do you find most exciting? I hear all kinds of talk about how >exhilarating it is, does this live up to it's calling? What does >specificaly does the Echoplex do that rivets you to the Loopdom!? If you >don't use the Echoplex, why? and what do you use? Having been a JamMan user first, most of looping habits are built around JamMan technology. (ie., layered loops that repeat, sampling phrases in the misdt of live performance and triggering them, forwards and/or backwards,) The most obvious differences, to me, that are quick to grasp and incorporate on the Echoplex are the reverse and undo functions. This allows me to 'correct' loops when I don't find the accidental additions useful, helpful or desirable, and allows some additional flexibility and in adding then subtracting parts. Reverse allows for additional atmospherics and textures. There are lots of things that are idiosyncratic to the echoplex that I haven't had time to explore and work into my vocabulary. I like a device I can grow into. No device adds time to my day, however. That would be a lovely feature. > > >For Jamman users, what recently excites you so much to spend more than half >of the recent discussions tooting your loops/delay? How long can you loop >as compared to the Echoplex, and how does it rate up for you? >Why or why not do you think it gives you an edge over other >guitarists/musicians? I don't find that it's a question of 'my looper is the best because' anymore than it's 'my guitar and amp are the best because'. Each one is a tool that has value because its features and limitations provide ways to accomplish things. Sometimes it makes sense for the tool to be transparent, sometimes its nice to make it obvious. I find the exchange of ideas and techniques on this list very valuable. Many of us don't have the luxury of spending 40 to 60 hours a week every week working with our loopers. When someone takes a large block of time and experiments, it's great to have a report as that type of experimentation may provide useful information and insight for the rest of us until such time as we can return the favor. My JamMan loops for 32 seconds and my Echoplex for 198 seconds. The advantages to me are that I can add a lot of texture, play liones over changes, solo over patterns, harmonize things and do a lot of stuff it would otherwise take three or four guitarists to do and not have the problems of having four guitarists in the band. Artistically, I'm quite happy being half of a duo. The use of loopers allows us the ability to sound like there are more of us live. >Almost lastly, is there a sampling looping culture? This kind of reflects >earlier, but here we sit typing email to a list, this implies something of >our nature. Also the locale of most of the individuals, and numerous other >issues unbeknownst to me. What might typify loopers/samplers? Is that >everything does, "hell we could be anybody?!" And further is there a >certain communion experienced? > >And hey who knows maybe you will learn something? Eh? >Mind-bending concept@! Amen. Frank Gerace Dreamchild From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:12:24 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 13:32:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIKGL-0005W3-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:32:37 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980326204851.0069d848@artist-shop.com> X-Sender: artshop@artist-shop.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:48:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Gary Davis Subject: Torn/Levin Chat; ProjeKCt Two Resent-Message-ID: <"ePEEBB.A.bND.UYsG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4657 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:32:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 5f03facf67044ee0da3c0f60469cdc99 Hi folks: Just a reminder that The Artist Shop and Talk City have an IRC Chat planned for this Sunday (March 29) with David Torn and Tony Levin. Stop by our IRC Page for all the details. While you're visiting, you might also want to stop by our Discipline page for info on the forthcoming ProjeKCt Two release with Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew and Trey Gunn. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop@artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 09:34:57 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 04:34:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIYKV-0003Xc-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:33:51 -0800 Message-ID: <351ADA75.134E@pop.interport.net> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:45:11 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Many questions answered References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-jQV0D.A.d1B.Vl5G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4690 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:33:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 11dae6f975761ec1045d8f3354a61b7c jamie I just ordered an echoplex from musicians friend, and with the shipping and foot controller it was less than $800US. try them. their tech dept is very helpfull. From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:12:42 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 15:34:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIMAR-0000Ex-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:34:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: forbin.syr.edu: msottila owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:20:12 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Sottilaro X-Sender: msottila@forbin.syr.edu To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: Digital vs analog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"N8zu7.A.rpF.ILuG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4659 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:34:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 103a5fe59349181a4f1d38f14151f198 The analoge "warmth" often refered to is the filtering effect that comes about from the relationship between a speaker's impedience and the output tube. In a transistor amp, this kind of filtering does not occur (though I've heard a few good tries) It has nothing to do with faithfull reproduction. Mark From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 02:26:16 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 01:54:16 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIVpw-0000p7-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:54:08 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIUga-0005Hq-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:40:24 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIUgM-0007Ek-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:40:10 -0800 Message-ID: <351AE5A3.CC61755F@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:33:03 -0700 From: Bill Moyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers D Subject: EDP blows fuses? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hsxMZC.A.lsF.DP2G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4685 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:40:10 -0800 X-UIDL: ba47e65861da83bc39ba8a750cd28b48 I recently purchased a new EDP. After very little use it started blowing fuses on start-up. I took it in to have it checked out. The guy put in a slow blow fuse , turned it on and off quickly multiple times, got an 8.8 on the screen and powered down. He then put in a 'fast blow' fuse and it seems to work fine. This troubles me and I'm considering returning the unit, as I would hate to have this occur in performance. Any advice? Heard of this before? Thanks, Bill Moyer From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:13:03 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 17:16:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yINlJ-00079W-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:16:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199803270015.TAA16307@mail.ramlink.net> From: "brown25" To: Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #138 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:07:25 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dBdDfB.A.hDF.WsvG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4663 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:16:49 -0800 X-UIDL: cc05ee9c3b48a1bc97fee54e219d6e11 I dissagree about the DAW. I believe it provides a vision to people that are less instrumentally inclined. Should music be exclusive? Should it only be a medium for the musician? Can't it too, be a medium for the artist, painting a picture with sound? Sure, it's sort of cheating from the eyes of the musician who may spend hours on a single track...but who or what does it cheat if the recording is an artistic masterpiece? It's made 'professional' production more accessible, more affordable, and now, pretty darn easy. Where's the cheat in that, other than the fact that the competition for success is about to baloon. You don't even have to play an instrument to write a song now. Should that be a prerequisite? I don't think so. I look forward to the - soon to come - musical artists.......isn't it about time that more music was art? What 'creative possibilities' could you possibly cheat yourself out of?...other than the desire to become a better musician......with DAW, it's no longer necessary in the studio. To maybe relate to some of the jampeople....if someone said that using the jamman was cheating...you should play clean...without effects....would you agree? Maybe to the purist.....but to not the visionary. The future is about doing different things and doing things better...the jamman allows that (or so I've figured out in about 2000 e-mails on the subject) and so does the DAW. btw..this is my last post, I'm jumping ship. Thanks for letting me in the group everyone!!!! Feel Free to respond or e-mail me at brown25@bionicmilk.com. later, brown25 ---------- From: Jon Grant To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #138 Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 10:26 AM The questions were posed: does the venue of digital recording seem sterile/what are the pre&post production benefits? Some people complain about the actual "sound" of digital recordings. They feel there isn't the warmth of the analog sound. This is true (although not necessarily bad). This "warmth" of tone/sound comes from the inherent signal and harmonic distortion that occurs throughout the analog recording process. Also, low-end digital recorders don't have the dynamic or harmonic range of analog equipment. Whenever I record something to a digital source from a microphone, I almost always use an analog tube preamp. There are many of these around of varying quality. These add the distortion/warmth of the analog sound to the digital domain. There are also a few software plug ins that emulate tube preamps that sound very nice. There are, however, many occasions where I choose NOT to add this warmth to the instrument. I just record straight to digital, reducing the distortion to almost nil. As an artist, to have this choice of digital/analog tones increases yet again the ways in which I can express the music. Also, the obvious "cut and paste" abilities of the computer-resident recording/editing format are impossible for any tape-based equipment. If one can use this kind of digital editing and manipulation sensitively and in service to the music, then it becomes a valuable tool. Unfortunately, it also helps us "cheat" when time is running out of performances that day in the studio aren't up to standard. Recently, I recorded three songs performed by a person who was, shall we say, less than gifted vocally. I gave up trying to ask her to redo the tracks, hoping she would fix her mistakes. Finally, I sent her home, pitch shifted, cut and pasted, copied, deleted, and otherwise utterly fritched her performance into something that was at least close to being on pitch and in rhythm. However, it still resulted in a very unmusical track, not following the natural paths a song goes through in a one-take performance. The results when one cuts and pastes even the most musical of performances can be just as unsatisfying. It all depends on whether you can use the equipment to serve your musical vision or whether the equipment controls your music vision. By limiting yourself to simple cut and paste techniques, the DAW user is cheating themself out of a huge range of creative possibilities. 'Struth, I do babble once I get going, don't I? Cheers, Jon Grant Tian Music www.aracnet.net/~tianmus ---------- From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:12:54 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 16:40:25 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yINBx-0001ym-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:40:17 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Many questions answered Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:21:57 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"i9KP5D.A.hJH.BHvG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4662 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:40:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 0425fb5fbcf502cf42cdacb736e42890 <From kflint Thu Mar 26 16:40:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yINC4-0001zl-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:40:24 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980327002238.00d738e8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:22:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Slick n' Finished VS Fresh n' New Resent-Message-ID: <"-0RZ5B.A.RJH._GvG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4661 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:40:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 6d224f743abf5c3a379e881f54e0723e At 11:53 AM 3/26/98 -0800, Mike Biffle wrote: >OB KimF disclaimer... hit that delete button now Kim! 8-> > Hey, I don't have a problem with long discussions about improvisation. That's what *I* like to do! Of course it's nice if we deal with improvisation AND looping..... Now, despite appearances, I don't have any problem with Robert Fripp or his music. But for reasons that I don't understand (nor do I need them explained in excruciating detail! :-) Robert Fripp discussions here usually end up in very long dissertations on something like "How Fripp tunes his guitar and why it changed my life". If you guys could once in a while manage nice, informative, on-topic discussions like perhaps "how Robert Fripp uses Loops and what I learned from that" you'd hear a little less bitching from me! well, probably not much less....:-) OB thread related stuff: I think looping provides an interesting way to add (improvised) structure to improvisational music. Since you instantly get repetition of a theme and the ability to recall previous ideas at will, you can create something with more development, intent, and direction, without necessarily planning it all ahead of time. And you can easily add various levels of rhythm to provide flow and backdrop to other improvisations. So it's a great tool to help you avoid the very real danger in improvised music of meandering endlessly, saying nothing, and losing your audience. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:13:05 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 17:18:02 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yINmM-0007Ib-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:17:54 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yINmF-0002O2-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:17:47 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yINly-0007FI-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:17:30 -0800 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:44:40 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: Ambient loops? Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803261945_MC2-3814-EDE1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"7O7lpC.A.vOF.mtvG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4664 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:17:30 -0800 X-UIDL: a0ce93bd10a48ede6f2925381abb1eb0 zom wrote: >I know this is a rather sily question, as a lot of the people here are into >(seemingly anyway) more guitar-based loopage, but how many fans/creators of >more ambient-style loops (or even Throbbing Gristle style material) are >lurking out there? Very curious.....< Although I missed the Throbbing Gristle, Genesis P-Orridge scene, I'm definitely into some other related stuff, i.e. Scanner, Monolake, Porter Ricks etc. Some of my own looping music goes a little in this direction, other stuff is more percussion-oriented. I also find some of the music from Mille Plateaux to be really interesting. This music is at its best when it avoids becoming too "intellectual" or "academic". I agree that sometimes the list here gets very "guitar-based", but that's part of the nature of the music - being that the guitar has such a great user interface - and also due the enormous influence of Mr. RF following his early looping experiments. BTW, someone posted the link to Sound Raider (http://www.andyw.com/raider/) a while back - I tried it out yesterday and was REALLY impressed/scared at what it was doing with my resident, scattered *.wav files. This program is great fun - I recommend to all you ambient-freak sound addicts! Thanks for the tip! Anyone else try it? Rob From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 02:26:17 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 01:58:19 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIVtp-0001JD-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:58:09 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIVtk-0007lb-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:58:04 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIVtd-0001Hi-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:57:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:44:42 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: Gear judgement and expression Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803261945_MC2-3814-EDE2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"c8CyB.A.SU.LZ3G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4687 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:57:57 -0800 X-UIDL: bbec21b10b2cbd619acc21cdc55ab52a kim wrote: >And the wave drum is just a drum head with a mic feeding a dsp, which has >various interesting algorithms for processing the sound, either transforming >it completely or effecting the original in some fashion. So while it's an >interesting instrument, it's not a new control interface, it's "just" a >drum! And despite the general popularity of drums, the wavedrum has not been >a very successful product for korg. I'm actually surprised (and happy!) that >they still have it in their catalog.< Well, according to my local trolls (music store), it's been discontinued by Korg. Can anybody else confirm this, or was my "helper" simply wanting to get back to his on-duty sleeping? Anybody wanna sell me a Wavedrum - for cheap, of course :-) Rob From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 09:34:50 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 03:40:22 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIXUa-0005YH-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 03:40:12 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIXUW-0002FD-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 03:40:08 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIXUL-0005WY-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 03:39:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:44:46 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: DAW options overload Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803261945_MC2-3814-EDE3@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"z1lOID.A.CHE.824G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4689 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 03:39:57 -0800 X-UIDL: daec3da79e087b6d717b2257194f2571 Jon Grant wrote: >By limiting yourself to simple cut and paste techniques, the DAW user is cheating themself out of a huge range of creative possibilities.< Well said, it was good to hear your ideas. Attempts to save a track using cut and paste editing also kills your nerves. I like some of the possibilities the DAW offers us, but have also experienced some of the negative aspects (especially on the last CD production I worked on). Filtering different tracks and testing results ad infinitum. Staying up all night high on caffeine and no longer "hearing". Overwhelmed by options. That's the beauty of the loop machines (Jamman, EDP, etc.) - they don't allow you complete editing control - you learn to live with your mistakes. I read an interesting interview with CAN (the German band from the 70's) who, after recording most of their early albums using rudimentary or DIY systems (developed by Holger Czukay), eventually got into 16-track recording. This lead to the demise of CAN. They now admit that the (then) newly available option of being able to monitor tracks separately and to re-record them if necessary (until perfection had been achieved) was the culprit. I'm all for live mixes and letting "mistakes" (slight imperfections) stand. Talk to you later... Rob From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:14:14 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 23:57:56 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIU1F-0001qs-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:57:41 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIQsN-0002xJ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:36:19 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIQs8-0007UN-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:36:04 -0800 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:44:49 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: where DAW Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803261945_MC2-3814-EDE5@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"qr12h.A.O4F.1pyG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4669 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:36:04 -0800 X-UIDL: ea3946514a01da50491333dff6d99638 Mr. Brown wrote: >I may ditch this Jamman mailing list soon< oh oh ... I hope that there's more to this list than *just* Jamman info. Not that I find that or any other gear-specific stuff wrong. Ultimately, we use these tools to make "looping" music. Dontcha think that there are cross-platform ideas that are relevant on the Looper's Delight list? But then again, the volume is high here and if you are on two or more other high volume lists (like me), things can get outta hand after a few days ... Thanks, Rob From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:13:12 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 17:59:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIOQO-0005SL-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:59:16 -0800 Message-ID: <351B05A6.66AB8C1A@intcpi.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:49:26 -0500 From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Many questions answered References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qvNF-D.A.0fD.eUwG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4665 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:59:17 -0800 X-UIDL: a78738d820b5ef0b8ab11f9ced3b9171 Jamie Lack wrote: > From kflint Thu Mar 26 20:01:06 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIQKD-00036g-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:01:01 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIQKA-0001Qv-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:00:58 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIQK2-00035K-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:00:50 -0800 Message-ID: <011101bd5933$b5d3c240$b7f2ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: Torn/Levin Chat; ProjeKCt Two Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:52:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"8OLxhD.A.lrB.WIyG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4668 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:00:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 01fea53f6e90607a7987856adf3919aa Hey, how about in addition to this, at the same time, I (or anyone else) can open the channel #LoopersDelight so we can meet, discuss looping, music, whatever... I'm also in channel #guitar on the Undernet (a group of IRC severs) quite often as 'Mincer'. Looking foward to meeting y'all- Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 >Hi folks: > >Just a reminder that The Artist Shop and Talk City have an IRC Chat planned >for this Sunday (March 29) with David Torn and Tony Levin. Stop by our IRC >Page for all the details. While you're >visiting, you might also want to stop by our Discipline page > for info on the forthcoming ProjeKCt >Two release with Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew and Trey Gunn. > >Gary > From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:13:28 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 20:49:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIR4P-0001KJ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:48:45 -0800 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: <1722cc50.351b2cc0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:36:14 EST To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: the answer to all my questions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"n3YNzB.A.4PH.d0yG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4670 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:48:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 35e759703abdf6ff17b3cfebc0a10369 at times i want to cut the soles off my shoes,stuff cotton in my ears, sit in a tree and listen to my ringing. been reading all the posts for the past few weeks and im more confused than ever, always a good starting point, i guess! i read about boxes that are no longer made and fantasize about boxes that may never be made. the wacka wacka 435 b, and the trk 984"s yipes!!! dont get me wrong-after a days work, i like nothing better than searching out the pearls you all drop before me and for that i thank you. keep jammin me up........................................michael ohhhh and by the way- no one will tell me how to get the LD c.d.s im real curious!! a c.d. is worth a few words From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:13:47 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 22:22:59 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yISXY-0005PO-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:22:56 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIRbQ-0005B6-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:22:52 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIRbD-0005hg-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:22:39 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980326231336.0068f79c@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:13:36 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: Magic feathers again unsubscribe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bddSDB.A.ZIE.4UzG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4673 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:22:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 0e27371a66ab7e5cc0725c9c28ebc85a At 04:35 PM 25-03-98 EST, you wrote: > > >i would like to unsubscribe >thank you Go to the Looper's Delight page and find out how, you don't contact us to do it, it's all automated and you gotta do it. From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:13:34 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 21:27:38 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIRg0-0006KI-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:27:36 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIRg0-0005R0-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:27:36 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIRft-0006JP-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:27:29 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980326232009.0068fb88@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:20:09 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: Ambient loops? In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980325190326.006fd0f0@mail.txdirect.net> References: <19980325234827899.AAA185@modem16.dinonet.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ffZDn.A.h5E.-azG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4674 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:27:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 2b21c0ae018d99a7a5b4679c2cc410b2 At 07:03 PM 25-03-98 -0600, you wrote: >I know this is a rather sily question, as a lot of the people here are into >(seemingly anyway) more guitar-based loopage, but how many fans/creators of >more ambient-style loops (or even Throbbing Gristle style material) are >lurking out there? Very curious..... Of the throbb I heard, not so impressed. Like Coil. But Rhys Fulber now! Hot Damn and I don't mean FLA. Or maybe I have my bands screwed up again. Rhys Fulber's involvement in Delerium, Intermix, and Synaesthia I think far secede previous. Although Synaesthia is more Drecker, and rips of Dead Can Dance with a drum loop!(; From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:13:36 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 21:49:10 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIS0Z-00015h-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:48:51 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIS0O-0006Mv-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:48:40 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIS07-000123-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:48:23 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980326234154.0068f228@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:41:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #138 In-Reply-To: <01BD58A1.CB7281A0@tor-usr20.075035.aracnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PF-W7D.A.X.OvzG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4675 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:48:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 493a21e56ba7db3becb91299f7e5e9c9 Jon, I have had my speaking voice taped for a commercial, and was actively involved in a simple computer editing process undoubtably more so than the one in which you spoke, where while I had no expertise, I insisted that two parts of the commerical which were actually from two different takes did not sound "harmonious" as it were. It was a 30-second spot for an import cd store of ambient/techno Technophilia here in Austin for our U.T. KVRX radio station. Anyhow, I found myself listening to the two pieces and insisting that the second was high & I listened and questioned as my friend correct the sound. However, I noticed it was not simple, it took thirty minutes and even when it was digitally perfect, it did not sound whole to me. It seemed a cold sound. THe upshot of this was Rich went back, added effects on to my voice and caused it to sound moderately professional on the school minidisc. My point is that maybe that which we are being cheated out of is mediocrity. Why else would you use it? Were you asserting that you loose warmth, that is the only? cheat, do you forsee in the future that digital will become warmer? & if so how? Mjh From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:13:37 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 21:54:15 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIS5g-0001lD-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:54:08 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIS5c-0006e7-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:54:04 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIS5V-0001jm-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:53:57 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980326234749.00693564@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:47:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: Digital vs analog In-Reply-To: References: <01BD58A1.CB7281A0@tor-usr20.075035.aracnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6BqYBC.A.6s.n0zG1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4676 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:53:57 -0800 X-UIDL: fc1c9152097d420ceb79d456b7ac9173 Dave said: In the digital realm, my Audio Alchemy DDE D/A converter >sounds "warm" in comparison to my Sony Discman. Is this distortion? >Highly unlikely, given the quality differential between the two. It is that the sampling rate is higher for audio alchemy? What is the reason for better warmth, quality, what does that mean? What kinds of instruments do you, or do you run into Audio Alchemy, etc? Do you find yourself goind more digital? Why? Do you think that this warmth of sound can be actually higher in digital equipment than analog? From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:14:03 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 23:04:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yITBi-0002qF-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:04:26 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199803270653.WAA28980@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Slick n' Finished VS Fresh n' New To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:53:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980327002238.00d738e8@pop.chromatic.com> from "Kim Flint" at Mar 26, 98 04:22:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b_8pfD.A.7eB.W00G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4677 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:04:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 8c9a031be4824877deca6e88dac4a187 > OB thread related stuff: I think looping provides an interesting way to add > (improvised) structure to improvisational music. Since you instantly get > repetition of a theme and the ability to recall previous ideas at will, you > can create something with more development, intent, and direction, without > necessarily planning it all ahead of time. And you can easily add various > levels of rhythm to provide flow and backdrop to other improvisations. So > it's a great tool to help you avoid the very real danger in improvised music > of meandering endlessly, saying nothing, and losing your audience. > > kim How do you accomplish this when you are playing with other players? What if _they_ also have their _own_ loopers? Just wondering, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:14:04 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 23:08:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yITF2-0003Ge-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:07:52 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980327005825.00697834@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:58:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... In-Reply-To: <01BD589C.C93247E0.lahatch@dnai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1wEwoC.A.fzB.220G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4678 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:07:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 31b044045394d36617fa1ca3b566d712 Laurie, You said that you found improvisation a key to your music after you had heard Emerson, Lake and Palmer. I've heard other bytes of conversation here about improvisation and looping, and I'm wondering how you feel about looping and improvisation. What do you find in looping that relates to that feeling you had with Emerson Lake and Palmer. Is it the unknown of where loops may move that makes you feel strongly for improvisation, or is this improvisation more in line with actual musical playing not experimentation? In other words, do you use loop equipment as a side element or focal point for improvisation? Mjh From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:14:19 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 00:16:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIUJO-0004EP-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:16:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980327010101.006985c4@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:01:01 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: Digital vs analog In-Reply-To: <199803261731.JAA23405@sonic.sonic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mjuT1C.A.nqC.521G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4684 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:16:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 4f53af593baad2907e7dfacef1e88617 >---------- >My two cents, dave is right that it is not the distortion that is the >warmth, however there are system which sound warm AND good AND happen to >have alot of harmonic distortion, and some systems sound cold AND bad AND >have very low distortion. To go a stepo further, given current technology >warmth and distortion are often hard to separate. So are you suggesting that you can make digital sound analog? How? Mjh >There probably are certain subtle distortions which give sound a metallic >and cold feeling that I try to avaoid. Probably? Such as? From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 02:26:12 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 01:43:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIVfW-0007JR-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:43:22 -0800 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:01:46 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digital vs analog In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980326234749.00693564@mail.utexas.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qvVxqC.A.F_F.sL3G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4686 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:43:22 -0800 X-UIDL: d0a4e1c705ac99f4d2c9b971dbca6238 On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, matthew hahn wrote: > Dave said: > In the digital realm, my Audio Alchemy DDE D/A converter > >sounds "warm" in comparison to my Sony Discman. Is this distortion? > >Highly unlikely, given the quality differential between the two. > > It is that the sampling rate is higher for audio alchemy? What is the > reason for better warmth, quality, what does that mean? The Audio Alchemy DAC is a quasi-hi-end piece of hi-fi gear. I think the key to its sound is that it uses an entirely passive analog filter. That, and careful attention to the power supply. > What kinds of instruments do you, or do you run into Audio Alchemy, etc? None. This is my hi-fi system! However, i'd like to get another one to use with a high-quality sound card with digital out. The inside of a computer is FAR too noisy an environment electrically to produce really good sound, and the average sound card just uses the HORRIBLE computer power supply. > Do you find yourself goind more digital? Why? > Do you think that this warmth of sound can be actually higher in digital > equipment than analog? My own musical performance for some time now has been unplugged. My other hobby is homebrew hi-fi, mostly tube amps. This is one of the reasons i have almost totally rejected what the mainstream audio engineers consider the recipe for "good sound". Antique triode tubes with no global feedback? It doesn't figure low distortion on paper, so it MUST sound bad! Or if it sounds good, it's some poor fool liking "euphonic distortion". Sarcasm aside, i think that if audio engineers would listen to music rather than oscilloscopes and THD meters, the world would be a better place (no offense to Kim or the other engineers here!) And no, i don't believe digital can sound better than analog in the long run, *especially* "CD quality" digital. In fact, the most *musical* sounding digital delays i have used are the ones that had the worst specs from an engineering point of view... the EH16, my DeltaLab Echotron, and the Lexicon Vortex and JamMan. On paper, the various Digitech, ART, etc boxes have blown these away for years. In the real world of music, though, the "warmth" comes through. It's not distortion... it's a sense of ease and naturalness that is lacking in the more electronically "perfect" devices. I think digital sound suffers from a lot of inherent unnaturalness, such as linear rather than logarithmic conversion. However, to obtain certain musical effects, we MUST use digital devices. So, rather than worrying about what is ultimately better, we should do the best we can to achieve the most *musical* sounding reproduction. If that goes against the stuff in the textbooks, so be it. -dave Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless. From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:14:08 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 23:22:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yITTS-00059X-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:22:46 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980327011506.00697fb0@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:15:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: I Got Gear Judgement and Expression Qs Ova Here!! In-Reply-To: <199803262036.PAA24749@user1.channel1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"o8UyQC.A.owD.kG1G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4679 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:22:46 -0800 X-UIDL: fde24ae42ecd4c9d61eb4a8d3c45c610 Frank, thank you for your communication on this regard. You have raised more questions from me by what you said. It seems that you wish to loop to work more of yourself out and save the encumberance of several other musicians playing harmonics, etc. Is this solution one which is made because you wish to keep your duo a duo, that is keep the music under your control, or more that you simply find it an expedient solution? In other words would you rather have more input, outside youselves, or would you rather remain subsidized by looping? Not to say you are at all, your interest may be such to not include others. I don't know. Mjh From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:14:12 1998 >From kflint Thu Mar 26 23:48:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yITsU-0000gJ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:48:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980327014004.0069a3a0@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:40:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: Many questions answered In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Q2yvTC.A._uG.4d1G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4680 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:48:38 -0800 X-UIDL: b9cbdc09f582c89ed5b3bb32c3beee0f Jamie, your answers drew some ?s (; >Thirdly, I loop because I want to capture or create in some way the >magic I hear on music like "No Pussyfooting" >and some of the things I heard Living Colour do live once. I have not heard this song, what is this "magic" you believe "Pusyfooting" suceeded in? "Magic" is very important, perhaps I'd call it that moment when-- "...damn..." In general if you think that people do not loop, I generalize, because of ignorance, why do they maintain the status quo? I mean they want certain visceral experience of the medium, do you think in your looping you can go "beyond" them? This raises query of old vs. new, conservative vs. liberal, inferior vs. superior, but perhaps it isn't so polarized. Maybe you would submit that it's just as well to play without looping but since it exists, why not? Is this your attitude, or is it something deeper? With respect to drum 'n' bass and loop ensembles, I have a couple of queries. Namely, is drum 'n' bass a fad, or will there be a carryover from it's hectic drops? Secondarily, if we have loop ensembles as you suggest we might, how will interaction between members take place? Would looping devices have to be more advanced, moreover integrated? How? Would loopers start working on networks, and when they got together to perform, on mainframes? (; Mjh From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:14:15 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 00:03:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIU6r-0002bh-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:03:29 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980327015234.00699518@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:52:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: Many questions answered In-Reply-To: <351B05A6.66AB8C1A@intcpi.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3378F.A.T7.mp1G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4681 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:03:29 -0800 X-UIDL: d9a3e44d72f42afbaaa2b9b0a08c0914 John Price, it seems you got good deals for your last name!... (; I have a question for you, what types of sounds do you tend to sample? There's also a lot of questions on sampling copywrites right now, do you find yourself morphing to alleviate the issue? Mjh From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:14:18 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 00:13:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIUGR-0003qP-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:13:23 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980327020259.006a69d8@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 02:02:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: where DAW In-Reply-To: <199803261945_MC2-3814-EDE5@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2e8EbD.A.AOC.fz1G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4682 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:13:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 66bce9a4a85521ada71be6c6df7956b7 Rob, in response to what you wrote about Brown's concern, it seemed to some degree the fact that no one cared about DAW use that prompted him to vamoose, but what seems was really another issue was really looping at all, which seemingly was becoming mentioned only in passing under Jamman interests. But then I don't speak for him. Mjh From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 01:14:18 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 00:15:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIUIP-000473-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:15:25 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980327020530.006a5f04@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 02:05:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: the answer to all my questions In-Reply-To: <1722cc50.351b2cc0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JAxb5C.A.QiC.811G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4683 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:15:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 83cd342d0b33ac0ab077903f03640509 L.D. as in technology or group? Mjh From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 09:34:57 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 04:34:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIYKw-0003af-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:34:18 -0800 Message-ID: <351B621A.4ACF@pop.interport.net> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:23:56 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP blows fuses? References: <351AE5A3.CC61755F@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TIzv0.A.c2B.al5G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4691 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:34:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 257ad300c069245b5e9b2f143c80fab9 bill i just ordered a new echoplex. Is this fuse thing something I should be concerned about right out of the box? Did you make modifications, change memory, etc..? Now I'm scared. I was hoping for a perfect machine. Tell me kim should I be worried? From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 09:34:53 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 03:51:13 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIXf8-0006mR-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 03:51:06 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIWTn-0000uN-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 02:35:19 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIWTe-0005jf-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 02:35:10 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803270653.WAA28980@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> References: <2.2.32.19980327002238.00d738e8@pop.chromatic.com> from "Kim Flint" at Mar 26, 98 04:22:38 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 02:19:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Slick n' Finished VS Fresh n' New Resent-Message-ID: <"0PH85.A.OcE.k73G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4688 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 02:35:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 69aa9d369859f7b760f83840ce952608 At 10:53 PM -0800 3/26/98, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >> OB thread related stuff: I think looping provides an interesting way to add >> (improvised) structure to improvisational music. Since you instantly get >> repetition of a theme and the ability to recall previous ideas at will, you >> can create something with more development, intent, and direction, without >> necessarily planning it all ahead of time. And you can easily add various >> levels of rhythm to provide flow and backdrop to other improvisations. So >> it's a great tool to help you avoid the very real danger in improvised music >> of meandering endlessly, saying nothing, and losing your audience. >> >> kim > >How do you accomplish this when you are playing with other players? > >What if _they_ also have their _own_ loopers? > hmmmmmm. how do you do it without looping? The single most important skill for group improv is the ability to listen. It doesn't matter what instrument you are playing or how good you are with it. You have to listen to the others and play WITH them. From there, knowing your instrument well enough that you can focus on music rather than technique is always helpful. Know the other players a bit. Possess a large enough vocabulary with your instrument so that you have places to pull ideas from. And of course, practice. Good improvisational skills, whether alone or with others, require practice same as anything else. All of this is true whether you use loops or not. specifics about looping? I don't really know! I'm waiting for enough mass of loopers to appear so that we can really start doing that and find out! I think it is up to us to develop the body of knowledge to make it work. Some here are experimenting with group looping, how is it going? What can you teach us of your experiences with that so far? On the echoplex we have the BrotherSync functions waiting for this purpose. BrotherSync allows multiple echoplexes to communicate their loop times and start points to each other, specifically for group looping. It's called Brother because all the units are equal, and any of them can define loop times for the group. It's there, just give it a try! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:29:26 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 10:23:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIdn6-0000Ej-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:23:44 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <351AE5A3.CC61755F@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 02:46:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP blows fuses? Resent-Message-ID: <"hqc0jC.A.GBH.S3-G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4695 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:23:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 2f4ca47a62c36a650441bc8812951150 At 4:33 PM -0700 3/26/98, Bill Moyer wrote: >I recently purchased a new EDP. After very little use it started >blowing fuses on start-up. That would be unusual. sounds like there might be something wrong with it. >I took it in to have it checked out. The >guy put in a slow blow fuse , turned it on and off quickly multiple >times, got an 8.8 on the screen and powered down. well, that could be from turning it on and off quickly! If you turned it back on quickly enough, before it had fully powered down, you could have the processor come up in a weird state. (reminds me of when I was a kid and my brother and i would do that intentionally with our atari video games. sometimes the games would come up in bizarre states that were fun to play with....) > He then put in a >'fast blow' fuse and it seems to work fine. that doesn't mean it's fixed. >This troubles me and I'm considering returning the unit, as I would hate >to have this occur in performance. Any advice? Heard of this before? I haven't heard of any problem, but shit happens, which is why you put fuses in stuff like this. Better to have the fuse go when there is a problem than a microprocessor! You might want to have a more knowledgeable tech take a look at it. (a tech who deals with a blowing fuse by replacing it with a slo-blo is not one I would go back to...) or contact Oberheim to have it checked out at the factory. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 00:41:52 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 17:48:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJqAJ-0006XF-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:48:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199803310122.TAA29590@mail.tds.net> From: "Bruce Gerow" To: Subject: Re: Spring peepers... Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:15:32 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ez7EMD.A.xQF.VnEI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4771 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:48:39 -0800 X-UIDL: ab5f461c4cb52eaf1247aa36d0385314 I used to make tape loops years ago.I used music concrete techniques.One time a captured a large bumble bee and made him MAD to record his angry buzzing.Several times after that when I was reveiwing sounds and that sound scared the ^&*$ out of me and I actually ducked :) ---------- > From: KRosser414 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Spring peepers... > Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 2:19 PM > > > One last question or two, does anybody here know of someone who has done > > something completely with birds, animals, samples environmental that was > > percussive as these birds were, and last has here anybody used bird From ???@??? Fri Mar 27 09:35:38 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 08:20:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIbrl-0000B5-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:20:25 -0800 Message-ID: <351BCF90.D6804D67@intcpi.com> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:10:57 -0500 From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Many questions answered References: <3.0.1.32.19980327015234.00699518@mail.utexas.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5o6ChC.A.eHG.E88G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4692 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:20:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 5e38a688e28c84e297f61f3734a65e43 Frankly, I dont sample other peoples music. Theres way too many headaches and I dont like spending the time and effort it takes to mask someone elses moment into being mine when I could use that same energy to nail down my own flow, ya know ??. ( Now thats not a condemnation of modern day sample folk. Its just a personal preference in the way I choose to work these days) It sorta bugs me when I think back to all the times I intentionally and automatically did do dat stuff. I am a musician and thse days less ashamed of being one. Im interested in getting points across concisely and convincingly with no pretentions or arrogance whatsovever. I play Gtr and Bass, Keyboard/Piano for close to 20 yrs now ( Im 28 & started young ) and I can read music. To address your questions, typically, I sample myself ( gtr bass or other presets from say other midi modules or whatever ( Birdsounds are the coolest things to warp into fresh prests too ! ) & bounce around from my ASR's internal sequencer and cakewalk while resampling and editing adding effects, eq, compression ( with great Care ) and cutting up either modal &/or deeply contrasting relationships and stringing em together to make a new piece. Its tedius but rerwarding. I use Hammerhead as a baseline rythm ( I cant spell that word rythm for the life of me ) record a few loops into Cool edit and save them as mono wav files in 44mhz 16 bit format then sample them clean into the ASR 10 in mono. I then add my ASR 10 drum prests - kicks snares, hi-hats rarely ever use toms ( This is all Stuff I got off the web for free - love that price tag ) in stereo, add effects - reverbs,fistortion, stuttering delay, etc then sequence loops into CAkewalk HS. I resample the prototype sequence & go back and forth and repeat the process with variations here and there but mostly if Im adding other parts its always sparingly and always with the intention of leaving a part that is played live and in real time. I can record usually the whole thing into the ASR which becomes a quasi standalone DAW w/ pretty decent editing capabilities and either save to DAT, ADAT or Hard Disk or even Cassete if called for and sometimes floppy. Today Im limited on time and cant get that deep into the enitire process right now but theres lots of other steps and tricks in between all the stuff I mentioned. Now I dont really know or even payed that much attention to what the rules are for sampling even when I was stealling stuff left & right - explicitly as spelled out in the rule of law Im really clueless and still uniterested in what the rules are - cause I dont really have to worry about getting sued or found out by another artist. I know in the past ive only sampled either 1 bar or 4 bars of something and nothing else and always strived to make it say something more than what it was giving me on face value. JP From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:29:24 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 09:39:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yId6M-0001ph-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:39:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199803271734.JAA34848@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Ambient loops? Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 11:35:35 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"UFc1OB.A.VNB.yN-G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4693 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:39:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 76e8aca5f6c178b955759e6177a96570 >Of the throbb I heard, not so impressed. Like Coil ^^^^ Any band with track titles like "His Body Was A Playground For The Nazi Elite" and "The Pope Held Upside Down" deserves a second listen. Travis From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:29:40 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 10:54:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIeH5-0004sV-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:54:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199803271753.JAA15692@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: New MIDI Controllers Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 11:54:48 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"4e2n_B.A.r6D.lT_G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4697 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:54:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 7fba0b4ee2a66e9aedf44cca625aacf4 >There was a thread going on about future MIDI controllers that this is in >response to. I just came across an article in the lastest Electronic >Musician* that no one has mentioned yet. Here's a brief excerpt from the >"Tech Page" column by Scott Wilkinson: > >Morpheus Designs, a company based on the Greek island of Santorini, was >demonstrating [at winter NAMM] a product called the MusicMat, which is a >mattress pad embedded with numberous force-sensing resistors (FSRs). As >you move around in the pad, the FSRs send signals directly to a sound >module using a proprietary wireless protocol called Sleep-eNhancing >Object-oriented Radio Energy (SNORE). > > >End excerpt. The article includes a picture of the controller with the >sound module, standard keyboard controller and monitor emBedded in the >MusicMat's headboard. Very cool looking - every body needs one. Would that be the April's issue by any chance? Travis From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:29:43 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 11:32:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIdvG-0001SZ-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:32:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199803271718.JAA29456@sonic.sonic.com> Subject: Re: Digital vs analog Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 09:26:13 -0800 x-sender: andy_wolpert@pop.sonic.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Andy Wolpert To: "Loopers Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"9pQmKB.A.e3.P_-G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4696 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:32:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 052fb73d6a3368e724d09bdebc071956 >make digital sound analog I haven't personally played it, but I have enjioyed listening to the Line 6 amplifier which has digital "physical" modeling of various tube amps including old Fenders, Marshall's etc. They even have a TDM plug-in. > subtle distortions which give sound a metallic and cold feeling One sound that comes to mind is the lousy reverb in my Zoom 9002. Its like a spring that goes "boing" but the "boing" is too perfect to be a spring. __ _/\_ / \___/ \______ \ Andy Wolpert \__ | Sonic Solutions \ / awolpert@sonic.com / | (415) 893-8043 / \___ __ ___/ \__/ \_____/ From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:29:40 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 10:55:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIeHS-0004wH-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:55:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199803271724.JAA29484@sonic.sonic.com> Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #138 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 09:31:54 -0800 x-sender: andy_wolpert@pop.sonic.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Andy Wolpert To: "Loopers Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"dySewB.A.uBE.VU_G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4698 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:55:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 42a356e4dfb57a3f327675b7901cc953 >do you forsee in >the future that digital will become warmer? & if so how? Here at Sonic we are developing 24bit 96kHz technology. Future music releases on DVD-Audio will sound better than current CDs. While more bits by themselves do not create warmth they do preserve more of the sound of warm instruments, warm filters and anything else you come up with. It is still up to sound engineers to use microphones, processing, amplifiers and speakers appropriately. __ _/\_ / \___/ \______ \ Andy Wolpert \__ | Sonic Solutions \ / awolpert@sonic.com / | (415) 893-8043 / \___ __ ___/ \__/ \_____/ From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:29:27 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 10:26:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIdQQ-0004gw-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:00:18 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E2045@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Slick n' Finished VS Fresh n' New/looping in groups Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:55:01 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"6zJhdB.A.N3D.7g-G1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4694 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:00:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 95452d3f1149f30572d5323fe0d8a7bb Well for my two cents worth: I think Kim made some good points in terms of improv in general. More specifically, I play in a couple of different ensembles/bands/improvising circumstances that have a least two people, sometimes three who use looping devices in any given piece of music. As in most improv situations, there's always the risk of "failure." That being said, it often comes off as being fairly successful musically, IMHO. Sometimes it's just one person looping, sometimes two or three. Sort of like when you stop to leave space for solo, duo or trio sections in an improv. I enjoy the collisions and/or phasings that happen. We tend to generally use the loopers as textural devices rather than rhythmic devices-though I do work with a singer who will loop whatever the whole band is doing aand play it back at us, sometimes we use that as the groove to set us into a new section. Of course we also use this sort of thing in the "soundscape" (Fripp doesn't have a patent on this term right?) realm as well. Looping is only a small part of the "arsenal," so this may not address the question fully (?). stig > > > >How do you accomplish this when you are playing with other players? > > > > how do you do it without looping? The single most important skill for > group > improv is the ability to listen. It doesn't matter what instrument you > are > playing or how good you are with it. You have to listen to the others > and > play WITH them. From there, knowing your instrument well enough that > you > can focus on music rather than technique is always helpful. Know the > other > players a bit. Possess a large enough vocabulary with your instrument > so > that you have places to pull ideas from. And of course, practice. Good > improvisational skills, whether alone or with others, require practice > same > as anything else. All of this is true whether you use loops or not. > > specifics about looping? I don't really know! I'm waiting for enough > mass > of loopers to appear so that we can really start doing that and find > out! I > think it is up to us to develop the body of knowledge to make it work. > Some > here are experimenting with group looping, how is it going? What can > you > teach us of your experiences with that so far? > > > From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:30:10 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 17:16:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIkEh-0005yu-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:16:39 -0800 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:12:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803271812.NAA20087@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Pedals:expressionless--Anatek Pocket ?--Laurie's dream Resent-Message-ID: <"XFapRD.A.TvD.pwEH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4701 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:16:39 -0800 X-UIDL: d496af96faf22b61fdf6088be7c16baf quick technical query-- just got a Seiko xpression pedal and an Anatek Pocket pedal in the mail---love those Net trades---ripped open the box . . . OOOOHHHHH boy, gonna' YANK that Vortex in line now . . . and have me a real podo-tactile-MEEDDEE eenterface in hte bargain, YUK YUK plugged the xpression pedal in the footpedal input on my Vortex and put the Anatek on my desk here I could gaze at it's cable-less, naked beauty . . . started up the Vortex, chose a parameter and started gassing the pedal--Nothing. hmmmmm . . . gassed it again and the value readout on the Vortex began to change, but only from 64 (top) down to 61--not exactly the vortex WORLD DOMINATION I had envisioned . . . tried a few other parameters-- 61-64 only on readout (and only after the parameter was set at a minimum of 59 or so--it sez in the manual that the foot pedal will only control the parameter when the footpedal value exceeds the existing or preset value) is this due to limited range in this particular XP pedal or am I missing something--tried using the expression pedal on the volume input of my DX-7 keyboard and it seemed to have pretty good range there--what gives? ALso: anybody have the little instruction sheet for the Pocket Pedal that they could mail or fax (314.773.7920) to me--seems like a no-brainer to use . . . but, . . . (fill in the blank) PLEEEEEEEEEEEZ--I'll pull a thorn out of your paw, someday finally: Laurie H. hasn't posted this (probably because of her demure and retiring nature) but asked me awhile back: >Say, maybe you can make a recommendation: I'm looking for a used midi >>controller, bass floor pedal thing. I'm goin after those kick-major-butt >>DEEEEEP tones, man. Will use it to drive a Roland XP-50. Ideas on what to >>look for?? > WHAT, do I LOOK like some kind of clipboard-toting, pocket-protected, THICK-LENSED MIDI NERD . . . post it to the %^%^#$%$ list . . . (Uh . . .oh-oh . . . just kidding . . . REALLY . . . sorry, sorry . . . meant ) bronzed, MASTERFUL, strapping MIDI stud(ette) . . . (yeah that's it) anyway, if you could help her (and uh, me out) that would be really nice and thanks tom :( Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:31:05 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 22:51:57 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIpT9-0000DY-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:51:55 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIpT8-0002K1-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:51:54 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIpT3-0000Co-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:51:49 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <351AE5A3.CC61755F@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:38:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Expression pedals to use with Digitech PMC-10 Resent-Message-ID: <"h7ezi.A.0QH.r1JH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4713 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:51:49 -0800 X-UIDL: fbf51845c839db11c98725c336b20988 Fellow loopfolk, Sorry for the lack of loop content. I recently found a Digitech PMC-10 new still in the box and snatched it up (it was the last one they had). It is a very deep MIDI foot controller and I want to use expression pedals with it but the ones I've tried out with it, I haven't been totally pleased with. Has anyone of you other PMC-10 users found out which expression pedals work with it the best? I want something that uses the whole range of the foot pedal not just a small range of its'sweep. I have set up the expression pedals in the Utilities menu and I've tried both CV and just plain volume pedals and they both work OK but I think there might be something out there even better. Also on a related note, Digitech informs me there are no more replacement hand held programmers for the PMC-10 left in stock, so all of you who bought them by the gross and hoarded them could make a killing on resale. Digitech does have the schematics for the programmer available for $5. How do you PMC-10 owners use yours in your looping and/or other setups? Thanks! Ed From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:30:09 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 17:01:03 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIjzP-0003ip-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:00:51 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIjzJ-0005WN-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:00:45 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIjz4-0003fu-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:00:30 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <9e3ab7c4.351c2673@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:21:37 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Jamman sighting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"UGvjaC.A.BBC.okEH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4700 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:00:30 -0800 X-UIDL: cb9c61414169048b526347ecaae5c57d The LoOpdOctOrs have a fully loaded (32 second jamman for sale). It was a demo, so it has some paint scritches on top and bottom, plus we've jumped on it a few times with our black Nikes,...but it works well otherwise and has a manual. We're selling it for what we've got into it...warning...we paid close to retail, and the memory back then wasn't cheap. Discreet inquiries welcomed. And sorry for this commercial, now back to regular programming. Best, The LoOpdOctOrs From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:30:07 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 16:18:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIjKU-0005P9-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:18:34 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199803280003.QAA03710@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Gear judgement and expression To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:03:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199803261945_MC2-3814-EDE2@compuserve.com> from "R & T Cummings" at Mar 26, 98 07:44:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QeFF6.A.LOD.u6DH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4699 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:18:34 -0800 X-UIDL: fe181a198c7d9da81d538356cd613a51 > Well, according to my local trolls (music store), it's been discontinued = > by > Korg. Can anybody else confirm this, or was my "helper" simply wanting to= > > get back to his on-duty sleeping? Anybody wanna sell me a Wavedrum - for > cheap, of course :-) > > Rob Unfortunately, the Wavedrum no longer appears to be listed at http://www.korg.com. Roland offers similar products in the V-Drums series (TD-10 module and V-Pads). Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:30:28 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 19:45:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yImYh-00034t-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:45:27 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980327171915.0095c3a0@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:19:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: New MIDI Controllers In-Reply-To: <199803271753.JAA15692@scv2.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zsFhl.A.IHC.nDHH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4706 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:45:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 8891360842430a0f127bf41bc742b57d At 11:54 AM 3/27/98 -0500, Travis wrote: >>End excerpt. The article includes a picture of the controller with the >>sound module, standard keyboard controller and monitor emBedded in the >>MusicMat's headboard. Very cool looking - every body needs one. > >Would that be the April's issue by any chance? > Yep - the disclaimer was at the very, very, very end of the msg I posted. From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:30:14 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 17:42:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIkdF-0001kE-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:42:01 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980327172808.0095d190@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:28:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Pedals:expressionless--Anatek Pocket ?--Laurie's dream Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ugsTOB.A.VH.eKFH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4703 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:42:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 27d5fa64533513cb593d743773a2eff6 At 01:12 PM 3/27/98 -0500, Tom Lambrecht wrote: > >tried a few other parameters-- 61-64 only on readout (and only after the >parameter was set at a minimum of 59 or so--it sez in the manual that the >foot pedal will only control the parameter when the footpedal value exceeds >the existing or preset value) > I use a boss FV-50 and did have to tweak it a little but not that much. Untweaked, if I recall correctly, the Vortex would read 64-10. I played with the angle of the pot in the pedal to make it go thru the whole Vortex range. I could tell something was up when the vortex hit 64 before the toe of the pedal was all the way down. Does your pedal go all the way down before the Vortex hits 64? From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:30:13 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 17:41:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIkcp-0001gR-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:41:35 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980327193048.006a5714@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:30:48 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Sampling Sites In-Reply-To: <199803271724.JAA29484@sonic.sonic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"m4t0I.A.TF.RKFH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4702 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:41:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 7b043a2a4bfd1ca830b1cd7cfec9d1ab I have been recently checking out various search engines for finding sampling sites. If anyone in general is looking for sampling discussions, or music, industrial-electro, etc. the Excite search engine seems to be tops. Type in this: sound sampling samplers I only submit this due to what I considered a dearth of information, when using yahoo and infoseek, it is probably just as well ignorance of usage, but hey the sample sites I found seem pretty comprehensive. Mjh From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:30:17 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 18:47:55 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIlem-0002yZ-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:47:40 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIlei-00021F-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:47:36 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIleV-0002wU-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:47:23 -0800 From: ENAT21213 Message-ID: <13544e02.351c614e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:32:38 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Jamman sighting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Resent-Message-ID: <"DsjyUD.A.IVB.PIGH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4704 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:47:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 187ff5488b42d1805f50171f299a5b77 i'm interested in your jamman. let me know what you want for it thanks brian mckenzie From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:30:20 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 18:53:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIlke-0003lp-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:53:44 -0800 From: "Woehni" To: Subject: Nasty `n`cheap! (was:Digital vs analog) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 03:39:17 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd59f2$b41e8a60$1a024382@pentium-200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"UhGorD.A.-EC.xNGH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4705 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:53:44 -0800 X-UIDL: fdc333d3a93f31deb386574d088e2f1a > One sound that comes to mind is the lousy reverb in my Zoom 9002. Its >like a spring that goes "boing" but the "boing" is too perfect to be a >spring. Here is a tip to anyone with crappy reverb machines: Try putting it on a long decay-setting and place it IN FRONT of a nasty Fuzzbox. The reslulting guitartone sounds like its on fire!!!!! Picture an F-16 goin down , with smoke coming out of both engines. I love this sound , particulary with a chorus or phaser wich adds "fuel to the fire". Im shure all of you have some ideas how to get crappy sounds from crappy gear- lets hear it! Yours , Thomas W (my favourite crapmachine is the Alesis midiverb and midifex. These babies are all over the place for sale and noone wants them. I`m quite a collector! so you Klein ppl can all kiss my.......:-) ) From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:30:37 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 21:02:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yInlZ-0005Wk-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:02:49 -0800 From: John Neilson Message-Id: <199803280325.WAA08568@echonyc.com> Subject: Re: DAW options overload To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:25:27 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199803261945_MC2-3814-EDE3@compuserve.com> from "R & T Cummings" at Mar 26, 98 07:44:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3EOQUC.A.YME.SKIH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4710 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:02:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 7689af11dde0e5a6372970fe470b6b64 > I read an interesting interview with CAN (the German band from the 70's) > who, after recording most of their early albums using rudimentary or DIY > systems (developed by Holger Czukay), eventually got into 16-track > recording. This lead to the demise of CAN. They now admit that the (then) > newly available option of being able to monitor tracks separately and to > re-record them if necessary (until perfection had been achieved) was the > culprit. I'm all for live mixes and letting "mistakes" (slight > imperfections) stand. Talk to you later... > > Rob > Actually, I think most of CAN's classic albums were recorded live to 2-track, and post-production consisted of editing their improvisations with a razor where necessary. I've heard a number of bootlegs over the years, and in almost all cases the music (if not the sound quality) was on par with what got released. And all the pieces were in endless flux. If you compare a couple of versions of any song it's obvious that the album version was just a snapshot of that improvisionation at one point in its evolution. One of the things I like about DAWs is that it makes it easy to keep first takes and one-shot parts and build those into the final work. You can save the "brilliant bits" -- even a few seconds worth -- that would be too much work to save before the days of sampling and random access editing. It used to be the rule that exciting-but-flawed takes got recorded over by ones that had less inspiration but and more consistency. Now you at least have the option to keep the never-to-be-repeated parts and just excise the bum notes, should you choose. ----------------------- Tear Along Dotted Line ----------------------- John Neilson www.mixup.com jneil@mixup.com "a site for sore ears" From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:31:22 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 28 11:04:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJ0uQ-0005MA-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:04:50 -0800 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:51:33 -0600 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Pedals:expressionless--Anatek Pocket ?--Laurie's dream To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <351C73C5.77FB@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199803271812.NAA20087@marconi.concentric.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"e69q6.A.ysE.ckUH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4719 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:04:50 -0800 X-UIDL: b13046fcd98aae9ea9a3761f373d7185 Tom Lambrecht wrote: > ALso: anybody have the little instruction sheet for the Pocket Pedal that > they could mail or fax (314.773.7920) to me--seems like a no-brainer to use > . . . but, . . . > (fill in the blank) PLEEEEEEEEEEEZ--I'll pull a thorn out of your paw, someday I'll be happy to photocopy mine and mail it to ya, if ya send me yer snail mail address. You really do need it-- there are some subtleties to calibrating for pedal range, setting MIDI channel, etc. > finally: Laurie H. hasn't posted this (probably because of her demure and > retiring nature) but asked me awhile back: > > >Say, maybe you can make a recommendation: I'm looking for a used midi > >>controller, bass floor pedal thing. I'm goin after those kick-major-butt > >>DEEEEEP tones, man. Will use it to drive a Roland XP-50. Ideas on what to > >>look for?? > > > > WHAT, do I LOOK like some kind of clipboard-toting, pocket-protected, > THICK-LENSED MIDI NERD . . . post it to the %^%^#$%$ list . . . > > (Uh . . .oh-oh . . . just kidding . . . REALLY . . . sorry, sorry . . . > meant ) > > bronzed, MASTERFUL, strapping MIDI stud(ette) . . . (yeah that's it) > > anyway, if you could help her (and uh, me out) that would be really nice and > > thanks In all modesty, I believe http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/pkbd.htm is the most detailed answer available. :-) John From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:30:32 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 20:16:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIn34-0007HN-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:16:50 -0800 From: Marzzz Message-ID: <5ba16d84.351c77bb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:08:25 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 (ELooPs) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"G72Uq.A.L9F.VgHH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4707 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:16:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 4ac5000a2ddc2dbd787450838177f127 In a message dated 3/27/98 1:05:07 AM, Mjh wrote: > What do you find in looping that relates to that >feeling you had with Emerson Lake and Palmer. Emerson tended to play ostinati with his left hand, over which he would solo with his right. For all intents and purposes, he was playing a loop and soloing over it. Prime examples would be the solo breaks in "Take a Pebble," "Trilogy," and most of "Tarkus." Marshall From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:30:36 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 20:56:40 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yInfV-0004j1-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:56:33 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yInfS-0006xU-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:56:30 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yInfC-0004gG-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:56:14 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <3d173531.351c810c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:48:09 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Jamman sighting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"zx1EG.A.JhD.ZFIH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4708 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:56:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 96c42f89d1b10c5e6ecbdac939c7df42 Hi Brian: We have pulled our Jamman off the market after having learned there may be interesting possibilities for it in the future. If we decide to sell again, well let you know. Best, Kevin From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:30:37 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 20:59:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yInif-00058O-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:59:49 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <62ed45b1.351c8178@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:49:54 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Jamman no longer for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"1OzZ4.A.R1D.rHIH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4709 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:59:49 -0800 X-UIDL: b3fdf0bb7b89c82b16587111aff3d0cf The Jamman we posted about is no longer available. Best, the LoOpdOctOrs From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:30:38 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 21:22:54 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIo4y-00008k-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:22:52 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIo4y-0000A9-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:22:52 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIo4o-00007j-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:22:42 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <351AE5A3.CC61755F@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:28:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Which expression pedals with Digitech PMC-10? Resent-Message-ID: <"-t9mtC.A.k9G.0gIH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4711 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:22:42 -0800 X-UIDL: a7ee2adb73c8f2948144e8ffefab9002 Fellow loopfolk, Sorry for the lack of loop content. I recently found a Digitech PMC-10 new still in the box and snatched it up (it was the last one they had). It is a very deep MIDI foot controller and I want to use expression pedals with it but the ones I've tried out with it, I haven't been totally pleased with. Have any of you other PMC-10 users found out which expression pedals work best with it? I want a pedal that uses the whole range of the foot pedal not just a small portion of its'sweep. I have set up the expression pedals in the Utilities menu and I've tried both CV and just plain volume pedals and they work OK, but I think there gotta be something out there even better. Also on a related note, Digitech says there are no more replacement hand held programmers for the PMC-10 left in stock, so all of you who bought them by the gross and hoarded them could make a killing on resale;-) Digitech does have the schematics for the programmer available for $5. How do you PMC-10 owners use yours in your looping or other setups? Thanks! Ed From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:31:01 1998 >From kflint Fri Mar 27 21:55:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIoax-0003fU-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:55:55 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980328055206.00dd9344@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:52:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Which expression pedals with Digitech PMC-10? Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"QeN__.A.lFD.vAJH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4712 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:55:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 9ac08771f8d1517440271b7fd9e8f7a2 At 12:28 AM 3/28/98 -0500, Ed Drake wrote: >Fellow loopfolk, >Sorry for the lack of loop content. I recently found a Digitech PMC-10 new >still in the box and snatched it up (it was the last one they had). It is a >very deep MIDI foot controller and I want to use expression pedals with it >but the ones I've tried out with it, I haven't been totally pleased with. >Have any of you other PMC-10 users found out which expression pedals work >best with it? I want a pedal that uses the whole range of the foot pedal >not just a small portion of its'sweep. I have set up the expression pedals >in the Utilities menu and I've tried both CV and just plain volume pedals >and they work OK, but I think there gotta be something out there even >better. I use the common Roland EV-5 pedal. works great. >Also on a related note, Digitech says there are no more replacement hand >held programmers for the PMC-10 left in stock, so all of you who bought >them by the gross and hoarded them could make a killing on resale;-) >Digitech does have the schematics for the programmer available for $5. bummer! the main problem with it for me is the absurdly flimsy cable. Replace that and it will probably last a long time. The controller is fairly simple inside. >How do you PMC-10 owners use yours in your looping or other setups? sends program changes to various rack doodads. sends continuous controllers to rack doodad parameters (one is usually dedicated to volume, depending on the patch). triggers echoplex loops. sometimes controls echoplex functions if the usual footpedal is elsewhere. most recent pleasing discovery: I wanted to feed midi clock from a sequencer to rack devices, but was not thrilled at prospect of crawling around in the dust behind the rack with a flashlight looking for the appropriate midi jack. in a moment of inspiration, I instead plug the midi cable into the conveniently located midi-in of the pmc. the pmc happily passed clock through to everything in the rack. I was synchronized in no time. That's all I do with it now. next interesting thing I'm likely to do is program it to send commands to my drum machine sequencer, so I can start/stop/change patterns with my feet. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:31:14 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 28 06:57:41 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIx3E-0004Cb-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 06:57:40 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIx3A-0001S5-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 06:57:36 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIx38-0004C8-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 06:57:34 -0800 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:43:35 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #138 Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803280843_MC2-3837-DD33@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"f3MidD.A.BvD.P9QH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4714 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 06:57:34 -0800 X-UIDL: d1796395c892f2fa53bf16cbea7674b3 Andy Wolpert: >It is still up to sound engineers to use microphones, processing, amplifiers and speakers appropriately.< This sums up my feelings on the whole digital vs. analog debate. Well said. Rob From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:31:19 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 28 09:59:40 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIztJ-0000D7-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:59:37 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIztH-0004oy-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:59:35 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIztC-0000CC-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:59:30 -0800 Message-ID: <351D2B65.2B81F226@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:55:01 +0100 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Expression pedals to use with Digitech PMC-10 References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oahnyB.A.1KH.TnTH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4717 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:59:30 -0800 X-UIDL: b07342cbc1b20b2b930cba0abf9e4b59 Ed Drake wrote: >How do you PMC-10 owners use yours in your looping or other setups? I think I found a good way to to logically program the PMC for my use for each instrument you want to reach you make up a template bank with the patches for realtime access (only realtime acces no pg ch) I use only 5 banks that are organized in a set the inc is used to go from one effect "page" to another, each page only being 2 inc or dec foot presses away the advantages of having few banks to handle thru the performance is that you have nailed down the location of all the parameters you normally use and are able to instinctively jump to it fast for me it is easyer to remember 40 logically setup midi board locations than prepare a bank per song where you also have to remember where the functions are on the pedal board and be limited having not acces on the spot to a unexpected parameter you wanted to torture that is for the realtime part. For the program changes I have an aditionnal "page,Bank" that is set up in sequence Bank Mode wich handles the overall song, prg changes routines how do you implement the realtime and prog change actions for multiple effects ? the world must know Ï>) Claude From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:31:17 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 28 09:31:22 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIzRw-0005jD-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:31:20 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIzRu-00045U-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:31:18 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIzRp-0005id-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:31:13 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980328113000.006ad428@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:30:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 (ELooPs), Marshall In-Reply-To: <5ba16d84.351c77bb@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"TMoEeB.A.tEF.1MTH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4715 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:31:13 -0800 X-UIDL: eee572220898552b5820e7bd1305efd8 Marshall , with regard to this, I did not mean: what was Emerson, Lake, and Palmer doing, what I was asking, and I admit full well it is seemingly ambiguous, is: what is it in your own looping that relates back to the feeling that E,L and P gave you? I may have to rephrase this question again, but I think that is the just of it. To explain more, the question links feeling >from an experience to someone looping in a perhaps then radical manner, to taking that and trying to translate that feeling into one's own loops. & this is all relation to Laurie's paragraph about E,L,P. This is Laurie's segment which I found particularly interesting about E,L,P: (see end for explanation) Story time, girlz and boyz: I'm reminded of the first time I heard Emerson, Lake, and Palmer in concert, early 70's. (Oh gawd, that just about puts me in Grandmaville, doesn't it? @8^) I went to their first-of-tour warmup concert in a little college town, and they blew me away. It was flawless, intense, dynamic - big flashy show. Two nights later I saw them in the city. Clone concert, absolutely identical down to the note, nuance, rap, look-up-at-the-crowd-with-sexy-smile-on-this-measure, *everything*. I was really disillusioned. Of course it practically *had* to be done that way; it was a tightly orchestrated and timed production, a huge, expensive tour, loads of technicians each playing a precise and critical part. And it was *very* impressive, at least the first time around! Besides, who was I to judge? They were playing their own ground-breaking, technically demanding music, the concerts were hot, their records were selling, they weren't working day jobs, and they were touring the world! Not too damn bad. But still, the impression lingers. It's not *their* fault I was disillusioned. They were playing their butts off, delighting their fans, and paying the bills. (I do wonder, though, if by the end of the tour, the repetition started to feel stifling, even with the adrenaline rush of playing for huge enthusiastic crowds.) The problem was only mine, in that my expectations were pretty na•ve and idealistic. However, _I don't think that idealism was unfounded at all._ It was a major turning point for me in terms of realizing that improvisation was a more satisfying direction for me personally. (Not terribly lucrative, however. I've certainly had to play my share of covers to pay the rent. At least ELP were playing their *own* covers!) So the feeling is, she has some ideals which she thinks justified in having, she had an emotion intially of distate, and then in partial agreement with ELP. But she feels there is more to it. "It was a major turning point for me" toward impovisation. My question follows, what does she do with style or feeling of improv that relates back to this experience, that comes to her looping? Your looping? Or do you use looping as just a technical base to play over? Kind of complex, but I hope worth answering. Noiseless Semantic dreams & Best wishes, Mjh > From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:31:18 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 28 09:43:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIzdO-0006fp-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:43:10 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:39:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 (ELooPs) Resent-Message-ID: <"FylGlB.A.o9F.DYTH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4716 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:43:10 -0800 X-UIDL: fa8249215cfe85f721d79fa9fcfa8bdd >In a message dated 3/27/98 1:05:07 AM, Mjh wrote: > >> What do you find in looping that relates to that >>feeling you had with Emerson Lake and Palmer. > >Emerson tended to play ostinati with his left hand, over which he would solo >with his right. For all intents and purposes, he was playing a loop and >soloing over it. Prime examples would be the solo breaks in "Take a Pebble," >"Trilogy," and most of "Tarkus." > > >Marshall I can remember shedding on the 5/4 ostinato of Tarkus when I was about 15. It's one of those lines I practiced for so long I can still sort of play it, even thought I barely play keys now. It's a good one for whipping out at music stores. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 12:31:21 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 28 10:32:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJ0Oe-0002nv-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:32:00 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980328123008.006a75cc@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:30:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Birds in our trees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"wCIe5C.A.-RC.mFUH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4718 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:32:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 5fbb546517e87e097bd6e6695adc8139 I woke up this scintillatin' morning out of terms with my stomach and cranium, due to the once happy embrace of last night's shindig. I grabbed a grapefruit and went out to our back patio which overlooks trees, and terraces leading down to a creek (amusingly we own the river bed). I sat, started eating and then I noticed the birds were looping. There were about four of them doing it. One bird had a particular blu blu blu and then there would be a quarter note rest, then other birds came in for an answering measure, sometimes two. Then some birds would just come in on top of the first, but the basic rhythm was maintained. It was strikingly like a dance and it sounded fantastic(; By course, I thought I'd better tape this, so I finished my grapefruit, ran inside, got my portable tape recorder, and went ran back outside. They had stopped. ): On the other side of our property the neighbors had once again started arguing in loud voices. This noise I also contemplated taping, but I don't think they'd be too happy to see me. Really it was all about the birds. Has anyone else had this experience to such a degree where the birds were interacting in this way? I mean these birds actually had it down. I was almost convinced that Dead Can Dance or Loop Guru was around. (; Do birds loop without knowing? Can it be said a human loops as a human's heart beats? Or is the heart, moreover, really the mind interpretating what we desire to hear, the heart just being a direct symbol of pulsing life? How does one relate to these physiological/mental needs? I can see I'm going to have to get books on bird social structures. (; One last question or two, does anybody here know of someone who has done something completely with birds, animals, samples environmental that was percussive as these birds were, and last has here anybody used bird calls and why? Was it for a particualar mood, for example. kick some skillet says I makin eggs & 'jacks (grapefruit weren't enough (; ) Mjh From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 23:34:43 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 28 13:21:07 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJ32F-0006tE-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:21:03 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJ32C-00015u-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:21:00 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJ327-0006sJ-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:20:55 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980328151859.006ab0d4@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:18:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: A site to loop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZyoILB.A.eDG.fjWH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4720 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:20:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 76b75aa8b3669af00e58106a364b7cb3 Jon Trabadour's site also has a good bit on looping and delays, links. His story of how he started, grew into looping was interesting, and the links excepting external (; informative. http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/loops.htm From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 23:34:44 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 28 13:28:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJ39D-0007dK-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:28:15 -0800 Message-ID: <19980328213051.11958.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:30:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: I Got Gear Judgement and Expression Qs Ova Here!! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Ly3Qd.A.20G.3qWH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4721 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:28:15 -0800 X-UIDL: fe5b864274e1fa80e4365f1138e061ec 93 ---matthew hahn wrote: > > QUESTIONS FOR THE INTELLIGENTSIA/ANTI-INTELLIGENTSIA OR NEITHER OF LOOPDOM > BELOW!!(; > In general why loop or sample at all? I mean so what? It's fun, man. > Who has access, that is, look away from yourself and ask yourself why do I > do this? As above, I would answer, why breathe? It's a creative color, nothing more, nothing less. >Why don't other people? Is it just that they don't know? Or is > there some differentiation you might like to take on? People *don't* know, and those that do, it doesn't appeal to them, like playing the piano does not appeal to me. > When you loop etc. what instruments or sounds do you tend to use and why? Everythin' I can, baby ;-) > What's so special about your guitar, your synth, and your loop/sample > product? Why is it relevant or why is it just slack? I mean really so > what? > (; So what is right. My guitar setup is an extention of how I hear sound, and how I wish to produce it. My looper exists simply to give me as much time as I can afford and not pitch drift. > Why or why not do you think it gives you an edge over other > guitarists/musicians? One musician can make a LOT of noise in realtime. > You can state that these topics just give you extra maneuvers by which to > travel, but you use them for a reason, why? Why create? > Lastly, what do you want to see for looping or sampling > that is lacking now? I've long since ceased to worry about that sort of thing. Chasing the bleeding edge will simply leave you with a lot of wounds. I do my thing with what is available. I make sound with anything, though I do have my preferences. If all the loopers and delays suddenly self-destructed in the next five minutes, I would still make music with my classical guitar. And I could make loop based music by adding a few other players. > Do you want something more intuitive that > anticipates, or responds more in line > with you? No. I think I may be in the minority on this one, though. My looping needs are pretty simple, and the existing machines all provide it. 93 Rev. DOubt-GOat _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 23:35:05 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 28 21:35:30 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJAkd-0007PZ-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:35:23 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJAkc-00025T-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:35:22 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJAkY-0007Ow-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:35:18 -0800 Message-ID: <351DA5F4.224A@pop.interport.net> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 01:37:57 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT:analog sound and leeches References: <19980329024400.21747.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fXMIGB.A.VqG.3zdH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4723 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:35:18 -0800 X-UIDL: be3a6104d9f5ea36fa42c57247a09d6e Hi everyone I'm wondering has anyone else picked up a copy of guitar magazine may1998 copy. On page 98 there is an ad for a looping device called the boomerang. has anyone heard or played this device. they list a web address of http://www.bomerangmusic.com . If anyone is interested go check it out and we can meet and discuss. i havent investigated yet but am on my way. john http://www.changenow.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 23:35:01 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 28 18:50:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJ8BE-0005FD-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:50:40 -0800 Message-ID: <19980329024400.21747.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:44:00 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: OT:analog sound and leeches To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"kg4t_D.A.AoE.XZbH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4722 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:50:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 12f8781a392c6b75ef6ae56af9a80e63 Dave wrote: >It is also pseudo-scientific bullshit that should have >been tossed out when doctors stopped using leeches. Dave, sorry to burst your analogy but leeches are still used by the established medical community: "Recently, a team of surgeons used leeches to save the re-attached thumb of a patient, which was swollen so badly that normal circulation could not resume. The leeches fed, the swelling went down, and fresh blood flowed. "Used" leeches are dunked in alcohol and incinerated. Acceptance is high, particularly among patients who, after leeching, went home with fingers, ears or thumbs intact." http://www.thriveonline.com/health/Library/CAD/abstract19705.html The leeches secrete anti-coagulating chemicals that assist the flow of blood to re-attached limbs or digits. I have also heard of using maggots for gangrene infections due to their secretion of an antibiotic substance. bret _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 23:35:07 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 28 22:25:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJBX3-0002aY-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:25:25 -0800 X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980328123008.006a75cc@mail.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 01:21:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: Birds in our trees Resent-Message-ID: <"ox_e-C.A.yHC.oieH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4724 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:25:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 5e3f1ea76546663daccc278329f612b8 > One last question or two, does anybody here know of someone who has done > something completely with birds, animals, samples environmental that was > percussive as these birds were, and last has here anybody used bird calls > and why? Was it for a particualar mood, for example. Matthew, Something I've heard highly recommended in multiple places is "The Aviary" by David Bagsby. "A collection of field recordings digitized and orchestrated. Actual birdsongs control the melody, rhythm and dynamics while the sounds are conventional instruments." I've been meaning to order it and check it out. Available from Creative Musicians Coalition 800-882-4262. Doug --- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com Sonosphere (music and music software) http://www.sonosphere.com/ my new CD, "Accidental Beauties": http://www.sonosphere.com/wyatt/ From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:44:18 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 01:01:50 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJDyM-0007fK-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 01:01:46 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJDyJ-0005vG-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 01:01:43 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJDyD-0007e2-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 01:01:37 -0800 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:26:16 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Birds. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"DzBD_D.A.ktG.b0gH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4731 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 01:01:37 -0800 X-UIDL: a9a1e8f045e9ff605cb4938b06348a1d Yes, I've heard Birds as loopers - see Kit Watkins environmental recording, "Circle" - it's on Linden Music LM 2009. Instruments: crickets, katydids, great honrned own, deer snorts, filtered keyboard globs, wooden rattles, canada geese, cricket chorus, vibes, looped eastern screech owl, english horn, freight train, birds (wood thrush, northern oriole, and red-bellied woodpecker), tamboring bells, tuned drums, hi-hat, rainstick, shells, harmonized flute, voice, triangle wooden curtain, stream, cicadas, resonant thunder, wind, metal bowls detuned, cricket, detuned train cars, light rain, heavy rain, detuned hummingbirds, slow vibes, babbling brook, tumble drums, red-tailed hawk, wood block, drippage, wine glasses, mourning dove, eastern screech owl, kitty purrs and ruffled grouse. It's cool, though, since many of the sections are obviously looped (the freight train one is really amazing), and the bird sections are very ethereal. Check it out. -Todd. From ???@??? Sat Mar 28 23:35:12 1998 >From kflint Sat Mar 28 23:23:00 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJCQj-000232-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 23:22:57 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJCQi-0003uv-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 23:22:56 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJCQa-00021u-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 23:22:48 -0800 From: TritoneDW Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:17:33 EST To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: birds and music derived therefrom (no loop content) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"yCsuB.A.abB.bXfH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4725 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 23:22:48 -0800 X-UIDL: b10af5b62385841253f35dc87e8e10b5 Hey all, Lots of bird related posts lately. For something completely off the looping track, but on the bird track, check out the music of Messaien--he was really into birdsong, did tons of transcriptions of birdsongs, etc. A lot of these transcriptions come up in his music, both in melodies and extremely intricate rhythms. It's cool. Drew W. From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:45:00 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 02:58:53 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJFnd-0000cK-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:58:49 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJFna-0007PR-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:58:46 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJFnU-0000ax-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:58:40 -0800 Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BD5B11.6142A090@md26-129.mun.compuserve.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: Birds in our trees Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:03:16 +0200 Encoding: 12 TEXT, 51 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Resent-Message-ID: <"Xx1pjC.A.UNH.ShiH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4732 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:58:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 1bb37b504c36ac1f11ad0ee3b438fbc4 Doug wrote, >Something I've heard highly recommended in multiple places is "The Aviary" >by David Bagsby. "A collection of field recordings digitized and >orchestrated. Actual birdsongs control the melody, rhythm and dynamics >while the sounds are conventional instruments." sounds interesting. Please post what it is like. michael peters mpeters@csi.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters/ Attachment converted: shards o' data:WINMAIL.DAT 2 (????/----) (0000103C) From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 14:09:56 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 13:11:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJPMw-0006Gt-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:11:54 -0800 Message-ID: <351E298A.538F@pop.interport.net> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:59:24 +0000 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Birds in our trees References: <3.0.5.32.19970902005157.007b8dc0@pop3.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"d54jKC.A.WhF.khrH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4740 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:11:54 -0800 X-UIDL: a1b84c9588a6227f877ef7b01035afa5 thanks corrynne- i think i may understand - loops are established soundscapes evolve? http://www.changenow.com From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 14:09:58 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 13:47:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJPvM-0002nT-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:47:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199803291910.LAA09818@mailgate22.a001.sprintmail.com> Subject: FS: ADA MIDI controller Date: Sun, 29 Mar 98 13:19:45 -0000 x-sender: tiktok@pop.a001.sprintmail.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: 0NAKC To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"Bu1jwD.A.NPC.2CsH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4741 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:47:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 071942ed2bd64ece1f108aeb0bb9ce9c Somebody on the list was looking for one of these recently, here's one on Harmony Central: ADA MIDI PROGRAM CONTROLLER Asking Price: US$70 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Excellent condition midi foot controller with power supply-up to 128 presets........$70 Seller: Carl Barrett, E-mail: knbtahoe@webtv.net Post Date: 3/27/98 From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:45:15 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 10:39:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJMzY-00030B-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:39:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980329051948.20ff2e5c@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 05:19:48 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Bird as pests, and Chesnutts In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HCRipC.A.ZVC.VSpH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4736 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:39:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 1ebaf0758e47c1f1559dd18eb6c3795f slightly off topic,,,years ago in Athens, GA i played in a band "Mr Greenjeans" with singer/songwriter Vic Chesnutt,,it was just a fun side project for us,,,i also had about 4 parrots at the time,,,upon reviewing some of our old demo/reharsal tapes,,,i found that alot of the tapes have parrots in the background,,,talking,,,making parrot noises etc..this annoyed me,,,but under the conditions at the time there was little i could do about the birds in the other room,,,,anyway its not looping,,,but i had a couple of birds that would pretty much whistle,,,hoot etc,,,in KEY with the particular song... hardly a natural feel, yet humorus on occasion. glorified chickens..... james rhodes From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:45:06 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 06:15:18 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJIrk-0004bn-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:15:16 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJIrl-0001mQ-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:15:17 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJIrf-0004bF-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:15:11 -0800 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:12:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803291412.JAA28905@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Spring peepers in our ponds Resent-Message-ID: <"Dda7R.A.AFE.gblH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4733 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:15:11 -0800 X-UIDL: b383713b52403b4aff31e9623a0049fe Did a little hiking and didging (as in Aboriginal wind instrument) down in the Ozarks yesterday and at the base of Buford Mountain, the peepers were in full swing (or loop) they get this call and response thing going big time (some of which is presumably mating? and part of which is attributable to a really fine 75 degree day :) happy in their stagnant little pools you have to sneak up or they all fall silent . . . but it's really amazing what they can do without even a whammy pedal . . . I've been by larger ponds where the sound was a ROAR, with a steady drone punctuated by solos by other anurans . . . and of course, that warm, southerly breeze was looping, too . . . dried leaves RATTLING, deadfall trees CREAKING, soda cans discarded by some cretin CLANKING and the wind itself WHISTLING . . . got back home late and looked at my arsenal of sound-tweakin gizmos, shook my head and went to sleep. Tom At 12:51 AM 9/2/97 -0700, you wrote: > Great msg, I was attending a Music Craft seminar a while back and while >we were playing some music, I and a few others of us heard a few crickets >who were quite definately chirping in time with us! Go figure... > >smiles and chirps, > >Corynne > >At 12:30 PM 3/28/98 -0600, you wrote: >>I woke up this scintillatin' morning out of terms with my stomach and >>cranium, due to the once happy embrace of last night's shindig. I grabbed >>a grapefruit and went out to our back patio which overlooks trees, and >>terraces leading down to a creek (amusingly we own the river bed). >> >>I sat, started eating and then I noticed the birds were looping. There >>were about four of them doing it. SNIP >>Mjh > >> >> >> > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 14:42:55 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 14:33:43 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJQe6-0000Xt-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:33:42 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJOWz-0000hg-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:18:13 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJOWt-0007RX-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:18:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980329115015.006abbe4@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:50:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: Birds in our trees In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980328123008.006a75cc@mail.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FUYt9B.A.WmG.BvqH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4739 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:18:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 0ba78eca5fdcf816b895733f7cfed130 Doug, Thank you, I'll check it out. Mjh From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:45:14 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 10:00:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJMNO-0005uD-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:00:10 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980329115855.006b24f4@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:58:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: Birds, Todd In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xJ4aiB.A.sKF.1toH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4734 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:00:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 65c9107b6d621440436b1cd0defdfe5a I'll check that out as well. Are all these sounds looped at once? Or are they like a samples cd on The Circle? Mjh From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:45:14 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 10:09:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJMWQ-00075Q-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:09:30 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980329120805.006b34c4@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: esker@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:08:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthew hahn Subject: Re: Spring peepers in our ponds In-Reply-To: <199803291412.JAA28905@cliff.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"xwneeC.A.5QG.g2oH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4735 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:09:30 -0800 X-UIDL: f79d6f87389707623173f454a201c685 At 09:12 AM 29-03-98 -0500, you wrote: >Did a little hiking and didging (as in Aboriginal wind instrument) down in >the Ozarks yesterday and at the base of Buford Mountain, the peepers were in >full swing (or loop) Peepers? ÀQue es? Didging huh? You listen at all to Yeht Mae, I think the right name? or damn I can't remember... Do you know some didgerdoo music that is either ethnic or dance oriented, that you would recommend. More and more musicians seem to be recognizing the importance. & it sounds like digding would be lots of sublime fun in the Ozarks. >got back home late and looked at my arsenal of sound-tweakin gizmos, shook >my head and went to sleep. sometimes nature...(; Mjh From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:45:16 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 11:07:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJNQ9-0006Pr-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:07:05 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980329130643.006a23c0@mail.txdirect.net> X-Sender: zom@mail.txdirect.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:06:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: zom Subject: Shameless ads? In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.16.19980329051948.20ff2e5c@texas.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bSeBGB.A.QpF.cspH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4737 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:07:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 73534d928703731f9114bac2a68d76f1 This is a sick, sad ploy to suck you into my web site....but what the hey!! http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/ now that I've gotten that out of the way, I've been experimenting with the loopy possibilities of Cool Edit Pro...and mine seems a tiny bit noisy on mixdown, when two or more tracks are combined....hmmm....curious, but I haven't diddled with any of the filters yet. I may have missed an earlier thread on this subject....anyone out there got any experience here they wanna share? BTW, all the respsonses I got about ambient loops were quite interesting...keep it up, you ambient types......perhaps soon I may start an ambient loop cd project now that I've got a burner....will keep you posted.....if you are interested send me a private email with the subject as AMBIENT COMP. Cheers! DIY electronic music, Zineage, and more: http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/ From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:45:23 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 11:57:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJOD7-0004ua-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:57:41 -0800 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:52:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803291952.OAA26237@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Spring peepers in our ponds Resent-Message-ID: <"A374gD.A.O-D.PaqH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4738 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:57:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 0c362d2efb262ef8e8fa507dcb62709c At 12:08 PM 3/29/98 -0600, you wrote: >At 09:12 AM 29-03-98 -0500, you wrote: >>Did a little hiking and didging (as in Aboriginal wind instrument) down in >>the Ozarks yesterday and at the base of Buford Mountain, the peepers were in >>full swing (or loop) > >Peepers? ÀQue es? Spring peepers are my generic term(since I slept through Tetrapod Vertebrates taught by one our area's most eminent herpetologists) for the teeny little frogs that on a weight/decibel basis make stacked Marshalls sound like your granddad's crystal radio . . . a pondful of them that might weigh a half a pound can make a DIN that you wouldn't believe . . . >Didging huh? You listen at all to Yeht Mae, I think the right name? or >damn I can't remember... Do you know some didgerdoo music that is either >ethnic or dance oriented, that you would recommend. More and more >musicians seem to be recognizing the importance. & it sounds like digding >would be lots of sublime fun in the Ozarks. never heard of 'em which means nothing--most of the didg stuff I like is ambient type stuff (Steve Roach, Stephen Kent etc.)--as far as "Ethnic", alot of the true field recordings of Aboriginal didg and clap sticks are very repetitive and uninteresting to Western ears--Dr. Didg's stuff is funky and upbeat if a litle too s/h/appy for my taste don't know if any copies are left, but the "Didgeridu Planet" CD that was put out by the didg newsgroup I belong to is excellent--these (other) guys can play! let me know privately and I'll see if I can scare one up--or look at the archives of the newsgroup where there are frequent (occasionally heated--like another newsgroup I know) artist discussions > >>got back home late and looked at my arsenal of sound-tweakin gizmos, shook >>my head and went to sleep. > >sometimes nature...(; >Mjh > > > > >drone on~~~~~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 17:27:25 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 15:46:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJRmY-0001E4-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:46:30 -0800 Message-ID: <19980329233937.12359.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:39:37 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Victor Wooten loops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"kcqg7C.A.wy.iytH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4742 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:46:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 7dfeab69e71a8cd25b7e272f0eba1200 I just saw Victor Wooten (bassist with Bela Fleck and Flecktones) playing solo at a record store in Boulder. He mentioned that he does loops now. I asked what he used and he said he has a Jamman and an Echoplex DP. I mentioned this mailing list and he asked that I let the Gibson and Lexicon folks here know that he uses their loopers. Today he played solo with no loop machine. Tomorrow, he will play at the Fox Theater in Boulder using loops, and a drummer. I recorded his solo playing today, and plan to record the duo at the Fox tomorrow. Victor was very friendly, and upbeat, encouraging the small crowd to ask questions. His playing today involved playing bass lines, topped with fretted melodies or chords, both played with either harmonics or finger tapping using his right hand. Often the bass lines were done with hammering on, so his right hand was free to play the melody or chords. Touches of percussive popping were interspersed as well. Victor spoke about technique vs. musicality, stressing the importance of listening, while playing, rather than playing using certain technique "just because you can". He said that this listening applies both in groups and when playing solo, to listen to himself as the music is created. Victor said that music is like cake. The icing is nice, when thinly put on top, but by itself it gets old fast. The cake underneath is the substance of the music, and can be enjoyed with or without the icing. The playing can be simple, and still have musical value that endures the test of time. The fanciest technique, without underlying substance, grows tiresome quickly. While playing he obviously took chances, occasionally making a mistake at the extremes, then recovering with grace and sometimes humor. He made his basses sing. bret _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 17:27:28 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 16:32:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJSVI-0006j4-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:32:44 -0800 Message-ID: From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loopinh Ensembler Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:28:55 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"k-5U7.A.V9F.-duH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4743 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:32:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 164c853454c8b57e0ccffa919bbf3e99 Matthew Hahn wrote: <From kflint Sun Mar 29 18:56:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJUkm-0007MN-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:56:52 -0800 Message-ID: <19980330012956.20512.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:29:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Loopinh Ensembler To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"D-7BI.A.rBG.phwH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4745 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:56:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 80850f4d4ed3fddab7dc07cce3eff49e 93 ---Jamie Lack wrote: > My idea along these lines was that loopers would eventually have to face > the challenge of playing integrated loops "together" (If there aren't > any already out there, that is!) > It is a necessarily more complicated thing than playing a conventional > instrument, although I don't think it will be this way in the future. > It is a similar idea to playing samples of music, perhaps over quite a > long length, and "arranging them on the fly". > If you had a number of people doing this (for example, DJ's), then they > would be a "sampling ensemble". > This is why forefront electronic performance music, like drum 'n bass, > offers positives for these ideas. > > I think that it is already possible to do a looping ensemble already, > syncing echoplexes, say.. > However I can see that the tools have a lot of room for improved design > in the future, as technology improves, not to mention the application. I've been giving this some thought, and what I beleive is the main obstacle to fully integrating looping into a band context is the same problem that sequencers face, i.e. once it's in, it's in. A sequence, or for that matter a loop, doesn't "groove" the way that two musicians can. The reason for this is that musicians can shift the time slightly as they go to keep in sync, and to add dynamic interest. You can program a sequence or a loop to have a fluid time for one repetition, but then it's locked into playing it the *exact* same way everytime afterwards. Also, the fact is, it's easier to keep time with a machine source if it's providing the beat than it is the other way around. When large soundscapes are built, you can have a monsterous amount of layers, or "tracks", which can make it difficult to pick out the "beat" so you can manipulate it. It's like trying to direct the pitch content of a huge reverb, once it's been triggered, you just have to wait till it's done. Now, if you could design something that could track the "feel" of, say, the drummer, and have that as the "master click", you might be getting somewhere. What you want is something that can utilize "feel", perhaps something that listens to the overall inputs from all of the insturments and, say, samples it every half beat to determine what the tempo is, not unlike a real person does, then outputs that to the loop devices, utilizing time stretching or some such. 93 Rev. DOubt-GOat (King of the run-on sentence!) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:27:02 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 21:10:26 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJWq0-00003q-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:10:24 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJUjy-0003Xz-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:56:02 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJUjp-0007Dm-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:55:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199803300148.UAA15916@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Birds in our trees Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:47:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4YuDBC.A.x5F.0gwH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4744 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:55:53 -0800 X-UIDL: f959cf9e2bdd3190256f307e449b9d09 > I sat, started eating and then I noticed the birds were looping. There > kick some skillet > says I makin eggs & jacks and eggs are kindof a bird loop - they are forced to lay and lay and lay and lay and lay..... plop!! andre' From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:26:57 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 19:20:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJV7Q-0002iR-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:20:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199803300207.VAA24145@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Victor Wooten loops Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:06:32 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GW0NAB.A.wDC.U6wH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4746 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:20:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 59da7f15812c4bf870d16f0ea4071525 > > I just saw Victor Wooten (bassist with Bela Fleck and Flecktones) > playing solo at a record store in Boulder. He mentioned that he does > loops now. I asked what he used and he said he has a Jamman and an lucky you. victor is one of those rare players that totally kilss on his/her instrument, yet is totally self-effacing and...MUSICAL... i urge anyone without his solo CD to check it out!! andre' From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:27:11 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 23:36:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJZ7b-0007NR-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:36:43 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:03:56 -0600 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Victor Wooten loops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <351F43DC.3532@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199803300207.VAA24145@shell.monmouth.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"RxeWQD.A.1gG.9q0H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4748 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:36:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 509bf84856917462e47054f7c8f9f253 andre wrote: > > > > > I just saw Victor Wooten (bassist with Bela Fleck and Flecktones) > > playing solo at a record store in Boulder. He mentioned that he does > > loops now. I asked what he used and he said he has a Jamman and an > > lucky you. victor is one of those rare players that totally kilss on > his/her instrument, yet is totally self-effacing and...MUSICAL... i urge > anyone without his solo CD to check it out!! This message is brought to you by the number THREE: The THIRD time I saw Bela and the Flecktones, it was their first gig as a TRIO following Howard Levy's departure from the band. They had finished recording _THREE Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest_ at midnight the night before, in Nashville, and had driven all night to Houston, so they were pretty tired. The combination of the new context and fatigue led them to take even more chances than usual, and there were some real surprises... like Bela unplugging his banjo, perching on the edge of the stage, and playing an unaccompanied, _unamplified_ Earl Scruggs tribute medley for the 350 or so of us jammed into the old bank building. I think the biggest surprise came as, in response to a chorus of requests, they prepared to play "Sinister Minister." Said Bela, "Since we've played this so many times, to keep it interesting for us, I'm going to ask Victor to switch instruments with me." Now, Victor's double-take _could_ have been an act, but I doubt it, because they conferred for half a minute or so, then Victor retuned the banjo before they began. And if it wasn't "just like the record," it was certainly close enough for all of us... Another Victor jewel came in a PBS concert by THREE "Women of Song" (their title, not mine!), Maura O'Connell, Pam Tillis, and Jonell Moser. It was a very brief solo, nothing fast or flashy, played on a Hofner "Beatle" bass instead of one of his customary custom instruments. But... How could he know that _those_ few notes, played on _that_ instrument, would cut through the crappy TV audio and make me feel like _that_? Victor Wooten is who I want to be when I grow up. John Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/) From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:27:08 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 23:04:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJYcg-0003pb-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:04:46 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:04:33 -0600 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Birds in our trees To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <351F4401.3C6A@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3.0.1.32.19980328123008.006a75cc@mail.utexas.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"FA_55.A.PQD.iN0H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4747 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:04:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 8c7efad8972db209ad6143358ce66af9 matthew hahn wrote: > > I woke up this scintillatin' morning out of terms with my stomach and > cranium, due to the once happy embrace of last night's shindig. I grabbed > a grapefruit and went out to our back patio which overlooks trees, and > terraces leading down to a creek (amusingly we own the river bed). > > I sat, started eating and then I noticed the birds were looping. A few years ago, when I lived in inner-city Houston, I was neighbors with a mockingbird whose major musical influence was car alarms. Daily, I would listen to the bird's uncanny imitations pouring over the Saabs, BMWs, and my landlord's Sterling in the parking lot between me and the Chinese restauraunt. It was not uncommon for the vehicles to respond... John Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/) From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:27:12 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 00:21:27 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJZoq-0003wG-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:21:24 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJZom-0004XI-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:21:20 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJZoj-0003vK-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:21:17 -0800 Message-ID: <19980330071454.14704.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.172.148.120] From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Victor Wooten Loops Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:14:53 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"jMuOjC.A.eTD.-U1H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4749 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:21:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 9e22157566f0fe8da251f1fea9ff42e2 > lucky you. victor is one of those rare players that totally kilss on > his/her instrument, yet is totally self-effacing and...MUSICAL... i urge > anyone without his solo CD to check it out!! > > andre' Agreed! I've spoken with him a couple of times myself and have to say that he's one of the nicest guys to chat with (as is the whole Flecktone 'family'). Just wanted to drop a little info on his solo work... 'A Show of Hands' is his first solo cd. All him, all on the bass, no overdubs and no substantial processing. 'What Did He Say?' is his second cd, finding him in more of an ensemble situation. Additional musicians, multiple bass tracks, etc. Both are absolutely great and as andre' says....MUSICAL. Happy grooving. :) ~~Todd~~ (reply to galen@erols.com if necessary...mail server was being a bit screwy) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:27:14 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 00:54:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJaKO-0007JN-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:54:00 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5B75.605498A0.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: Pedals:expressionless--Anatek Pocket ?--Laurie's dream Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:22:15 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AbxsJC.A.aHG.4w1H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4750 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:54:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 77e38726bf1cd6fd6932a46396818ab9 > >From: John Pollock [SMTP:johnpollock@delphi.com] >Sent: Friday, March 27, 1998 7:52 PM > >>Tom Lambrecht wrote: [...snip] >> anyway, if you could help her (and uh, me out) that would be really nice and >> >> thanks > >In all modesty, I believe http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/pkbd.htm >is the most detailed answer available. :-) > >John Ahhh, what masters of chivalry you are, Tom and John. I feel like a fat cat purring in the sun, having feasted on your superbly informative and satiating web site, John. You've obviously put an extraordinary amount of time into it. Now you've got my hind paws all a-tingle for a DMP18... thanks to you both, T and J, >^..^< laurie >From lists@slip.net Mon Mar 30 00:54:26 1998 From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:27:15 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 00:54:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJaKi-0007MH-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:54:20 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5B75.645C1720.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: This one's for Matt M. Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:42:03 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SKoUiD.A.PIG.9w1H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4751 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:54:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 653ebc20b1ef1a4d802a6cf1130c205e >From: Matt McCabe [SMTP:mattm@bi-tech.com] >Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 3:00 PM >Subject: Re: Re[2]: ProjeKct 2 @ Palookaville, Santa Cruz, CA... > >I've been experimenting with juxtaposing ambient loops with more melodic >sections...something with a hook or rhythm. I haven't really stumbled upon >anything that "works" but I certainly have cut and pasted a bunch of loops >together in my computer!! I've been wanting to get back to you about this, Matt - it kind of got lost, I thought, in the parellel discussion about P2 last week. I was hoping maybe you would elaborate on the things you've mentioned here, this was quite brief. >Honestly, I don't know what I'm looking >for...but I'm fairly certain that I will know when I find it. Hopefully. You know, I feel like I just spent the last four years feeling that way. So it really struck me when you said this. The fact that you're *looking* is what really counts. ciao laurie >From lists@slip.net Mon Mar 30 00:54:54 1998 From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:27:15 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 00:54:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJaLC-0007QD-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:54:50 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5B75.66847560.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: looping and improv (was: ProjeKct 2 /Eloops) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:44:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k4bMXB.A.jLG.Qx1H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4752 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:54:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 36b0dd2e37d07587d97560429b2c957b >From: matthew hahn [SMTP:esker@mail.utexas.edu] >Sent: Thursday, March 26, 1998 10:58 PM > >You said that you found improvisation a key to your music after you had >heard Emerson, Lake and Palmer. I've heard other bytes of conversation >here about improvisation and looping, and I'm wondering how you feel about >looping and improvisation. What do you find in looping that relates to that >feeling you had with Emerson Lake and Palmer. >Is it the unknown of where loops may move that makes you feel strongly for >improvisation, or is this improvisation more in line with actual musical >playing not experimentation? In other words, do you use loop equipment as >a side element or focal point for improvisation? >Mjh a clarification: >From: matthew hahn [SMTP:esker@mail.utexas.edu] >Sent: Saturday, March 28, 1998 9:30 AM >Subject: Re: ProjeKct 2 (ELooPs), Marshall > >Marshall > >, with regard to this, I did not mean: what was Emerson, Lake, and Palmer >doing, what I was asking, and I admit full well it is seemingly ambiguous, >is: what is it in your own looping that relates back to the feeling that >E,L and P gave you? I may have to rephrase this question again, but I >think that is the just of it. To explain more, the question links feeling >from an experience to someone looping in a perhaps then radical manner, to >taking that and trying to translate that feeling into one's own loops. [snip...] Whoa boy, what a way to speed-shift the list's loop poop into conversational high gear! Bunch o' posts bustin' fat with questions. (Were you one of those little wide-eyed "What's this? Why that?" five-year-olds loaded on Evereadys? :-) I'm teasing you with a big smile, you know...I hope you were, actually, cuz those inquisitive little kids are amazing, little/big minds traveling who knows where... Seriously, not everyone is so able to translate their curiosity into meaningful, perceptive questions. Cool. I hope I've understood and addressed what you have asked. I did take the liberty of filling in some background that I hope might provide a context for my responses. So: do I use loop equipment as a side element or focal point for improvisation? (I really had to think about all this for a coupla days. The brain's in perpetual Undo mode...:-) What I *want* to do improvisationally with loop equipment and what I'm presently *able* to do are two different things! That gap will hopefully begin to narrow, now that various pieces in my recently expanded looping rack are actually talking to each other, more or less, and my plex foot pedal has finally arrived. So I'm just beginning to really dig in on improv loop stuff instead of endlessly replaying "Patch Cord" and "Hissin' In The Backseat"! The loop approach is still pretty rudimentary, while I'm learning which knobs to twirl (got that Tom L?); drawing endless confused routing maps leading heaven knows where (wallpaper for aliens); and wondering if I should just dump tomato sauce and parmesan on the maze on the floor and have it for dinner instead! My background has, for the most part, been one of bass-as-rhythmic-and-harmonic backbone (lotz o' loopz without the toyz) both in structured and improvisational performance settings. However, with the loopers, I try to stretch out and introduce more ambience, texture, and free flow. I look for new sounds and techniques so the bass functions more effectively as a multi-timbral solo instrument -- looping toyz really afford that freedom and inspiration. I'm also getting more seriously into other instruments (shekere, berimbau, didjeridu, etc.), now that I can easily build real-time improv layers and, uh, play with myself! The one-chick-band thang. Which leads to what I think is the substance of your questions, Matthew: my longer term goal is to learn and exploit the plex's enormous capabilities as a synergistic improvisational instrument in itself. Right now I'm mostly under-utilizing it as a not-so-cheap thrills real-time recording and playback device with cool memory trix. Even so, I definitely see interaction with the equipment as central to much of my improvisation, and the "unkown of where loops might move" as a *primary* catalyst. The loopers are most certainly co-creators in the process - and I anticipate this will only become more the case as I develop skills with those tools. However, I think an honest response to your question ("do you use loop equipment as a side element or focal point for improvisation?") is: both. Depends on what I think is called for at the time, or where I feel like going with the music at any particular moment. I would feel no less committed to improv as a direction if I had no looping toyz, but hey, they're Big Fun! They open up a dimension that reels me in, the musical equivalent of an animated Moebius Strip. Gotta serious loopjones, ya know? Isn't that why we're all hangin' on this list? :-) It seems that the more technical and experiential mastery one has over various loop functions and parameters, the greater the vocabulary for setting up these destination-unknown "mystery" loops. -- Like overlaying different time signatures and seeing what happens, then going with that, etc. Or setting up silent loops on the fly and then popping them in, surprise! I really appreciate it when you guys who are facile with this stuff go into it in specific detail. It becomes my road map, and therefore an area where the list is most valuable to me. Kim, you mentioned groop looping a few posts ago. (Should we be discussing safe loop habits? :-). I'd love to hear more about what people are up to doing improv collaborations. Any thoughts, tips, trix, war stories, whatever? So Matthew, I'm not sure if I've answered what you were asking. But I do have some questions for you in return! Sampling and computer looping are areas I would certainly like to learn more about. Your list from the "Q's Ova Here" post had some meaty ?'s. Care to take a stab at a few? What have you been working on the last few weeks? What would you like to do with bird songs, if anything (besides sit back and enjoy :-)? thanks for asking, for being interested, and if you're still awake, for reading all this! laurie >From: matthew hahn [SMTP:esker@mail.utexas.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 8:03 PM >Subject: I Got Gear Judgement and Expression Qs Ova Here!! > >QUESTIONS FOR THE INTELLIGENTSIA/ANTI-INTELLIGENTSIA OR NEITHER OF LOOPDOM >BELOW!!(; > >>And of course the other problem lies between the front and the end. My old >>friend midi. If you actively tried, you would not be able to design a worse >>networking protocol for musicial instrument control than midi. That alone >>has hampered a lot of potential innovation in musical controllers. >> >Kim, >There were other computer interface possibilities when MIDI became the >standard, did we sacrifice anything, and do you think MIDI can be improved? >>>So, let's hear some weird ideas, eh? >>Oh boy oh boy, just wait til I git me edumacated... > >QUESTIONS: >note: these questions may be rhetorical to some but try answering them, you >may find it harder than you thought or that something new might come up... > >In general why loop or sample at all? I mean so what? > (; >Who has access, that is, look away from yourself and ask yourself why do I >do this? Why don't other people? Is it just that they don't know? Or is >there some differentiation you might like to take on? > >When you loop etc. what instruments or sounds do you tend to use and why? >What's so special about your guitar, your synth, and your loop/sample >product? Why is it relevant or why is it just slack? I mean really so >what? >(; > >On the Echoplex what are your favorite choice knobs and what types of >sounds do you find most exciting? I hear all kinds of talk about how >exhilarating it is, does this live up to it's calling? What does >specificaly does the Echoplex do that rivets you to the Loopdom!? If you >don't use the Echoplex, why? and what do you use? > >For DAW users, what specific benefits in pre or post production do you >find, and do you think there is a certain sterility in that medium? If >not, is there a compensation for it, or is this idea moot? > >For Jamman users, what recently excites you so much to spend more than half >of the recent discussions tooting your loops/delay? How long can you loop >as compared to the Echoplex, and how does it rate up for you? >Why or why not do you think it gives you an edge over other >guitarists/musicians? > >You can state that these topics just give you extra maneuvers by which to >travel, but you use them for a reason, why? > >Almost lastly, is there a sampling looping culture? This kind of reflects >earlier, but here we sit typing email to a list, this implies something of >our nature. Also the locale of most of the individuals, and numerous other >issues unbeknownst to me. What might typify loopers/samplers? Is that >everything does, "hell we could be anybody?!" And further is there a >certain communion experienced? > >Lastly, what do you want to see for looping or sampling >that is lacking now? Do you want something more intuitive that >anticipates, or responds more in line >with you? Is there a danger to the "detente" (; or easing of relations >between complexity and simplicity? >Or do you think that intuitive systems might continue complexity, new avenues? >And dead lastly, while you may want looping or sampling to go a certain >direction, where do you think it is headed and why do you think it is >positive or negative? > >These are issues that I hope will socialize us into cheeky and mind >stimulatin' dialogue. Please try to log an answer for at least one of these >as they may show consensus and creativity where before may've been missed! >And hey who knows maybe you will learn something? Eh? >Mind-bending concept@! >(-; >Mjh >From jungle@fdgroup.co.uk Mon Mar 30 01:00:36 1998 From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 00:42:09 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 23:00:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJv2R-0007eS-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:00:51 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5BE3.4927A280.andrew@bocs.com> From: andrew Reply-To: "andrew@bocs.co.uk" To: "Loop (E-mail)" Subject: non US loopers gear purchasing Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:53:54 +0100 Organization: bocs X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mczqoB.A.kyF.DIJI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4775 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:00:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 9cefa9ea1ab7bdfd370233870af8433e boys boys boys, looking for a good time. Have any of you non US based folks purchased gear from the States via the mail ? Does it work out cheaper ? Do you find it easy to get things that are reviewed in magazines like Guitar Player but are unlikely to be seen in your local guitar shop due to the esoteric nature of it ? I'm thinking about trying it - as no-one seems to have the things I want for about two years, if attall. Am I right in thinking some stuff wouldn't work here if bought from the US , e.g the echoplex, apparently not yet 'CE' (?) approved ( 110V vs 240V ) Would this go for all plug based equipment ? Regards Andrew From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:28:59 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 08:16:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJhEm-00064c-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:16:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199803301322.IAA19237@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: MIDI problems ??? Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:21:40 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zeP-v.A.46E.IQ8H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4757 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:16:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 1a093b2fc16648f4a9c95cd4005394b0 > >From: matthew hahn [SMTP:esker@mail.utexas.edu] > >>And of course the other problem lies between the front and the end. My old > >>friend midi. If you actively tried, you would not be able to design a worse > >>networking protocol for musicial instrument control than midi. That alone > >>has hampered a lot of potential innovation in musical controllers. i dunno - maybe i'm shooting too low, but midi serves me well - i find my casio gtr triggers excellent-ly, and my midi mitigator does a plethora of cool stuff, obidiently, like prog change, note on/off info, chord sends, start/stops, etc. I get to change programs on my ADA MP1, quadraverb, Kawai synth and even analog old pedals thru my rockman octopus - all useful, timesaving stuff for what i do - where has midi let you down?? with wht kinds of controllers??? I mean, lots of the pieces of equipment we all work with are digital, or at least electronic, the lines blur for me how midi has fallen so far from grace, it is what it is. Not crusading for midi at all, just wanna know what the outer limits are for others..??? gimme specifix andre' From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:27:51 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 06:20:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJfPq-00005q-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:19:58 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:16:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803301416.JAA14368@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Victor Wooten loops (another testimonial) Resent-Message-ID: <"GbDevC.A.9AH._k6H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4754 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:19:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 6862954ffccb0b57b4df31a58b3ab131 At 01:03 AM 3/30/98 -0600, you wrote: >andre wrote: >> >> > >> > I just saw Victor Wooten (bassist with Bela Fleck and Flecktones) >> > playing solo at a record store in Boulder. He mentioned that he does >> > loops now. Caught him at the Telluride Bluegrass Festival two years ago where after the main gig, he did a clinic at City Park, which was packed--of course, no bass player in his right mind opened his mouth--just watched while the man spun beautiful threads of pops, plunks and melody out of the air--thought he was using a pedal looper for that thing, but it didn't make much of an impression at the time cuz' I like, wasn't into loops, then (General pandemonium ensues . . . Hissing and cries of "blaspheme", "heathen", "scoundrel" and "sh#thead" punctuate the dull roar as a procession of loopers drag a limp figure wrapped in MIDI cables to a gibbet . . . ) and you are all right on one thing--one of the kindest people I've ever experienced in performance--the man was just RADIANT Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:28:47 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 07:31:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJgWY-0000Vx-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:30:58 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:16:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803301416.JAA14384@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Birds in our trees Resent-Message-ID: <"372evD.A.WTH.6m7H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4756 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:30:58 -0800 X-UIDL: a0c0b13dbbb9a629d92cad1397885c10 Mockingbirds are unreal -- I've heard alter phrases and mix in another "sample", transpose and just wreak sonic havoc with found sound once again, without benefit of Lexicon or TC . . . Tom > >A few years ago, when I lived in inner-city Houston, I was neighbors >with a mockingbird whose major musical influence was car alarms. Daily, >I would listen to the bird's uncanny imitations pouring over the Saabs, >BMWs, and my landlord's Sterling in the parking lot between me and the >Chinese restauraunt. It was not uncommon for the vehicles to respond... > >John >Troubador Tech (http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/) > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:29:14 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 09:00:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJhuk-00049e-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:00:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:41:46 -0800 Message-ID: <000AFE6E.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: Which expression pedals with Digitech PMC-10? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Ed Drake Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"_YHLNB.A.-NC.2y8H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4758 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:00:02 -0800 X-UIDL: c7ee87f25a671ddaf80fd33fcf0eae90 I've been using the Boss EV5 (3 of 'em) with my PMC-10, LXP15II, Vortex and GX-700 all with predictable full range 0-127 (1-64 for Vortex) reliability. There is a knob on the side of the pedal which if not at it's full setting, will shorten the throw of the pedal and offset the values. If something behaves funny I check the knob and it's usually the problem. They're usually in the ~55-60 buck range. -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Which expression pedals with Digitech PMC-10? Author: Ed Drake at INTERNET Date: 3/28/98 12:28 AM Fellow loopfolk, Sorry for the lack of loop content. I recently found a Digitech PMC-10 new still in the box and snatched it up (it was the last one they had). It is a very deep MIDI foot controller and I want to use expression pedals with it but the ones I've tried out with it, I haven't been totally pleased with. Have any of you other PMC-10 users found out which expression pedals work best with it? I want a pedal that uses the whole range of the foot pedal not just a small portion of its'sweep. I have set up the expression pedals in the Utilities menu and I've tried both CV and just plain volume pedals and they work OK, but I think there gotta be something out there even better. Also on a related note, Digitech says there are no more replacement hand held programmers for the PMC-10 left in stock, so all of you who bought them by the gross and hoarded them could make a killing on resale;-) Digitech does have the schematics for the programmer available for $5. How do you PMC-10 owners use yours in your looping or other setups? Thanks! Ed From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:29:16 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 09:03:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJhyM-0004gE-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:03:46 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:46:56 -0800 Message-ID: <000AFE88.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Which expression pedals with Digitech PMC-10? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com, Kim Flint Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"nOqF4.A._4C.X38H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4759 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:03:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 50aabe1f191ad2b3db53177ae46db8d8 kim wrote... That's all I do with it now. next interesting thing I'm likely to do is program it to send commands to my drum machine sequencer, so I can start/stop/change patterns with my feet. Hi Kim... I've been hoping to do the same for my drum machine. I'm a sysex luddite though and am hoping for someone to point me towards that all important START and STOP midi message content. best... -Miko From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 11:14:30 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 09:51:33 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJiiN-0003T2-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:51:19 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJiiE-0005O5-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:51:10 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJiht-0003Or-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:50:49 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E2049@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Birds in our trees Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:34:25 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"HINPSD.A.NPB.8f9H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4760 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:50:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 0e097ab09ac2940a2768bc1f2929e0f4 For bird-song related music, check out Olivier Messian-great composer and ornithologist. Not a looper, but still . . . stig > ---------- > From: matthew hahn > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 1998 10:32 AM > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: Birds in our trees > > > Do birds loop without knowing? Can it be said a human loops as a > human's > heart beats? Or is the heart, moreover, really the mind > interpretating > what we desire to hear, the heart just being a direct symbol of > pulsing > life? How does one relate to these physiological/mental needs? I can > see > I'm going to have to get books on bird social structures. (; > > One last question or two, does anybody here know of someone who has > done > something completely with birds, animals, samples environmental that > was > percussive as these birds were, and last has here anybody used bird > calls > and why? Was it for a particualar mood, for example. > > > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 11:14:32 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 09:54:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJil8-0003rl-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:54:10 -0800 Message-ID: <351FD869.55F1@isrv.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:37:45 -0500 From: Glenn Greenway X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan Delay Mode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8QsZwD.A.xoB.zi9H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4761 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:54:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 73cdf59afb680158099a6e0681b522a8 Hello Eveyone: Recently, some great suggestions were posted about the JamMan's delay mode and how it is well suited for looping. I tried all the suggestions and am very impressed. It seems to me that the most significant difference between delay mode and loop mode is that in the former loop points can be _repositioned on the fly_ while in the latter once set, the JamMan needs to be _'reset'_. Also in delay mode there are 16 Feedback levels as opposed to the three MIDI fades offered in loop mode. Those two differences are WAY substantial! I can't believe how much more organicly my loops evolve in delay mode than in loop mode. However, there is an equally prominent downside to using delay mode...the often stated bypass problem. Everything one plays get added to the pot resulting in an unwieldy and blurry mix. It has been suggested that a volume pedal, inserted into the effects loop might help but with my simple rig (guitar, amp, jamman, digitech Control Seven MIDI pedalboard) all that happens is that the guitar signal gets turned down before the JamMan and then _you can't hear it_. An A/B box is also suggested as an alternative but that sounds rather too _binary_ for my taste. What is needed is a way to bypass the JamMan in one's effect loop. If the signal could be variably split by a volume or MIDI control pedal (before the JamMan, effectivley bypassing it)and then remixed after, I suspect the JamMan might become _much_ more valuable as an interactive musical device. But how? The remixing seems to no problem but what kind of 'Splitter Pedals' are available? I know that a mixer would solve the bypass problem, but a pedal would be better. Are there other alternatives that I haven't considered? Thanks again to everyone on the list, what a significantly groovy bunch. Viva la Peepers! From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 00:41:20 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 12:40:25 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJlLo-0002y1-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:40:12 -0800 From: NEMOGUIT Message-ID: <66ee203e.351fe921@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:49:03 EST To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: a few questions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"V-jJF.A.ta.O7_H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4763 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:40:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 88785e086701f698fe46e5f50dbe6896 hi one and all i am going to list my set-up and then ask a few questions guitar-sans amp gt2-alesis qudraverb 2-boss delay dm3 (foot pedel)-boomerang- marantz 4 trac (used as a mixer)-tascam 2 trac for playable tape. the q2 has two line outs, one i send to the rang the other to trac 2 on the marantz. this alows me to effect the volume of the newest loop by using the marantz and the rangs thru feature. this of course does not change the volume on the rangs loop, its just a real time feature for playing control. now the questions: 1) am i set up properly? is there a better way to utilize this equipment for more control? i know the marantz has effect sends etc. but i have not been able to get this to work. im at a loss regarding this. so i bypass the whole thing and just go direct into the marantz. 2)i also use an old casio cz 5000 which has an 8 trac sequencer on board and many of the cheesyest sounds inside-its all i got-i also use a shure 588sb mic for attempts at vocal nonsense. i am forever plugging and unplugging these items into the sans amp. is there a way to have everything pulgged in at once? im sure the answer is simple but i am simpler still!! 3)i need a footpedel to control the q2 rather than manualy using the buttons on it. i have never played a jam or a plex but someday the spirit may move me in that direction at which time said footpedel will have to work in an up-graded system, sooo any suggestions other than taking my accustic to an aveary with da birds. 4) and i will shut up- i am computer illiterate but i have an opcode program for my humble mac, its memory is less than mine, once again looking to up- grade. does maddness lie in this direction? thanks for reading this far, any and all help will be welcome............lost in pittsburgh...........................michael From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 00:41:12 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 11:39:55 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJkPN-0002a6-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:39:49 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJkPK-0002si-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:39:46 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJkP4-0002XX-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:39:30 -0800 From: KRosser414 Message-ID: <27a42b0c.351ff040@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:19:26 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Spring peepers... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"CNASSD.A.B5.0I_H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4762 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:39:30 -0800 X-UIDL: ddc8f99891adc980024bdd129d78acea > One last question or two, does anybody here know of someone who has done > something completely with birds, animals, samples environmental that was > percussive as these birds were, and last has here anybody used bird calls > and why? Was it for a particualar mood, for example. I made mention of this piece a while ago and it received absolutely NO acknowledgement from anyone, so maybe it's not that cool a reference, but for my taste one of the most stirring and haunting musical uses of looping I have ever heard is on Joni Mitchell's "The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey", where her free-form acoustic guitar is accompanied only by Don Alias on handrums and old-fashioned tape loops of coyotes howling. It's on the album "Mingus", for me a lukewarm record in her otherwise excellent catalog, but it's worth the price of admission for "Wolf" and some of the Joni/Jaco interplay throughout. I believe "Wolf" may have been reissued on her recent "Misses" collection, so there might be your chance to hear it in the company of some stronger Joni material. Ken R From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 00:41:28 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 14:09:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJmk3-0007km-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:09:19 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <8236f53.351ff564@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:41:21 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Spring peepers... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"mK1VDC.A.tVF.nSBI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4766 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:09:19 -0800 X-UIDL: c10602a3a5c82913b1139638a9428de2 If we remember right, Jaco Pastorius opens MINGUS with an absolutely chilling bass riff. Joni Mitchell is pure brilliance...that she was looping coyotees in the seventies seems right in line. Best, the LoOpdOctOrs From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 00:41:21 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 13:10:35 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJlp4-0007CR-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:10:26 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJlp1-00072c-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:10:23 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJlok-00079J-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:10:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199803302052.MAA48666@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Echoplex used with a band Date: Mon, 30 Mar 98 14:54:10 -0500 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"W62ZbC.A.wMF.ydAI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4764 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:10:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 481623b943402ff179484546260fcad5 I saw an Austin-based band this weekend, "aka Nico". Drums, percussion, trumpet and amplified nylon-string guitar. The singer/guitarist had an Echoplex in the loop of his Gibson Lab Series amp, and would use it to create loops on the fly, typically some rhythmic riff which would continue all though the song while the rest of the band played over it. Sometimes at the end of a tune, he'd set up a new loop and then solo and overdub over the loop for a few minutes. I thought it worked quite well, although I heard that he was dissatisfied with the frequency response of the Echoplex (which seems a little weird, but I didn't have a chance to speak to him personally). A bass-playing friend of mine did have a chance to speak to him, and they were of the opinion that the Echoplex worked in this context because he was the only chordal instrument (the trumpet player just played solos or fills), there wasn't another guitar, keyboard, or bass to compete for space, and everyone could clearly hear the guitar (he had his open-backed combo amp up high, and everyone was near enough to hear). It was some neat stuff, sort of a Dave Matthews/mid-period Van Morrison type outfit. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 00:41:26 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 13:34:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJmCJ-0002ln-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:34:27 -0800 Sender: randy@cdac.com Message-ID: <35200C7A.CED4241C@cdac.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:19:54 -0800 From: Randy Reichenbach Organization: Cascade Design Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"piFatB.A.E7.6zAI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4765 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:34:27 -0800 X-UIDL: e64d269e5cf5c209425274bca3919a19 Hello All, I, being new this list and Looping in general, am curious what the going rate for a stocked (32 second) JamMan is (in US dollars). Also, is it my best bet for general purpose, fairly cheap, Play-a-line-or-two-and-jam-over-it-possibly-in-an-odd-meter kind of looping? The EchoPlex seems like possible overkill. Any input is appreciated. -- Peace ... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ====== = Randy Reichenbach randy@cdac.com = // || \\ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= || || || = Physical Design Engineer (VLSI-CAD) = || //\\ || = Cascade Design Automation = \\//__\\// = 3650 131st Ave SE, Suite 650 = `------' = Bellevue, Washington 98006 = = Tel: 425.643.0200 Fax: 425.649.7600 = ... Get some! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 00:41:49 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 17:24:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJpmw-0003M1-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:24:30 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD02CA05F@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Re: Spring peepers... Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:17:33 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"n7F31D.A.-nB.rLEI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4769 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:24:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 80f85d2d9ef99f15eba277c23f97212a Plus, remember that she was looping Burundi drummers back then, too, on the (IMHO brilliant) Jungle Line from "The Hissing of Summer Lawns." Sampled/looped percussion, mini-moog and vocals . . . sound like a "formula" for anything you've heard recently? > If we remember right, Jaco Pastorius opens MINGUS with an absolutely > chilling > bass riff. > > Joni Mitchell is pure brilliance...that she was looping coyotees in > the > seventies seems right in line. > > Best, > the LoOpdOctOrs > From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 00:41:46 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 17:05:34 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJpUO-0000n2-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:05:20 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJpUE-0002lH-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:05:11 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJpTx-0000jM-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:04:53 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:43:33 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: Nasty `n`cheap! (was:Digital vs analog) Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803301744_MC2-3869-81EB@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"SwoYwD.A.NtG.O7DI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4768 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:04:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 40665088f57f6729b5fcc773dfba9c52 Thomas W. wrote: >Im shure all of you have some ideas how to get crappy sounds from crappy gear- >lets hear it!< I like to use the worst resolution on my old Roland SDE1000 delay and apply this to looped rhythms and beats. I set the delay time using a definite note relationship with respect to the tempo (e.g. a phase shift of 1/8, 3/8, or 5/8 notes) and pan the resulting shifted beats opposite to each other. In combination with gratuitous usage of the x2 switch on the Roland (the "instant dub" button), I can effect radically changing beats with window-pane-rumblin' and chalkboard-scratchin' pitch shifts. It's a gas. I also like the way that the delayed beat sounds so hollow and forlorn. Bye, Rob From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 00:41:49 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 17:25:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJpnK-0003PH-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:24:54 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:43:36 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Oberheim Drummer (was: Loopinh Ensembler) Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803301744_MC2-3869-81EC@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"9tIIyC.A.jrB.DMEI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4770 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:24:54 -0800 X-UIDL: f7a41fc7dd40c1b0a9eec2cb906a7bd6 The REv. Doubt-Goat wrote: >Now, if you could design something that could >track the "feel" of, say, the drummer, and have >that as the "master click", you might be getting >somewhere. What you want is something that can >utilize "feel", perhaps something that listens >to the overall inputs from all of the >insturments and, say, samples it every half beat >to determine what the tempo is, not unlike a >real person does, then outputs that to the loop >devices, utilizing time stretching or some such. Interestin' that the good ol' Reverend ;-) should mention this - I often have to deal with these sorts of problems - being a drummer/ percussionist. I found the following on the Oberheim Drummer page - this sounds like one solution. HELLO OBERHEIM PEOPLE. I have a question: how does this *actually* work? I'm any old good drummer whose subject to the odd tempo fluctuation - I am practising to correct this though :-) . Can I load drum samples to the Obi Drummer? Thanks in advance! Like any good drummer, the Oberheim Drummer listens and reacts to your playing. Dynamics, fills, and other features can all be set to follow and respond to your MIDI performance in one of the unique Drummer "Jam" modes. Files can be saved and loaded via MIDI. Four footswitch jacks allow for real time performance control of the Oberheim Drummer. From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 00:41:37 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 16:03:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJoW4-0000Gg-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:03:01 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:51:31 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: JamMan Delay Mode Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803301751_MC2-3868-38AE@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"RC2c4D.A.ecG.NCDI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4767 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:03:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 827d1be9d0c0817397c5d3b1b20eb089 Glenn Greenaway wrote: >I know that a mixer would solve the bypass problem, but a pedal would be >better. Are there other alternatives that I haven't considered?< How about putting a volume pedal BEHIND the A/B switch with the switch basically always set to A & B? That way, you could avoid the *binary-ness* all the time unless you absolutely wanted it. However, I personally use a mixer and find this is a better solution in the long wrong ;-). Financial aspects disregarded ... Rob From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 00:41:54 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 18:06:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJqR7-0000zs-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:06:01 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199803310157.RAA19211@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Slick n' Finished VS Fresh n' New To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:57:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Kim Flint" at Mar 27, 98 02:19:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xb8kyC.A.FSH.d2EI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4772 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:06:01 -0800 X-UIDL: adca3f892a801b328160fadc1032b42b > specifics about looping? I don't really know! I'm waiting for enough mass Yes, this was what I was really after. Perhaps its just a matter of developing a vocabulary on loopers suitable for improvising just like other musicians have to build at least a minimum vocabulary on a sax or a trumpet or a sarod or a kora or... Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 00:41:59 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 18:23:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJqhi-00031C-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:23:10 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980331021305.00aafb20@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:13:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Oberheim Drummer (was: Loopinh Ensembler) Resent-Message-ID: <"pdd2j.A.UAC.tHFI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4773 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:23:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 860617dea25d2126d83ab213d6e0332e At 05:43 PM 3/30/98 -0500, R & T Cummings wrote: >Interestin' that the good ol' Reverend ;-) should mention this - I often >have to deal with these sorts of problems - being a drummer/ percussionist. >I found the following on the Oberheim Drummer page - this sounds like one >solution. >HELLO OBERHEIM PEOPLE. I have a question: how does this *actually* work? >I'm any old good drummer whose subject to the odd tempo fluctuation - I am >practising to correct this though :-) . Can I load drum samples to the Obi >Drummer? Thanks in advance! well, I'm not an Oberheim person, and I don't know how the drummer works, but I do know that it is just a midi device. It's not a sampler and doesn't have onboard sounds. It's essentially a drum sequencer, with some interesting other features to make it more of a live device. (I guess). You would use it for triggering sounds on another device, which means you can use any sounds you like, but you wouldn't be loading those sounds into the drummer. I never used one, so I don't know much else about it other than what's in the brochure. I always though it might be interesting though. It's part of that mysterious family of Oberheim products that includes the strummer and cyclone. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 00:42:01 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 18:58:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJrFT-0007ML-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:58:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199803310251.VAA14347@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Joni the Loop freak !! Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:50:37 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"I1WVoB.A.EOG.npFI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4774 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:58:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 2f68a2d484fb2a1287febe2550c07560 > > If we remember right, Jaco Pastorius opens MINGUS with an absolutely chilling > bass riff. > > Joni Mitchell is pure brilliance...that she was looping coyotees in the > seventies seems right in line. > > Best, > the LoOpdOctOrs yes she sure is.....and i hear the new CD she's about to release is chock full of roland VG-8, maybe we'll get s'more looping out of her. One of the coolest uses of loops is on her "Dog Eat Dog" LP/CD - a track called "empty(try another)" where she grabbed a short soundbite of a cigarette machine - the sound it makes when an empty 'brand' is chosen - a cool, metallic, dragging sound, then she looped that, and at-the-time hubby Larry Klein laid down a slinky bass line for her to chant/sing over. Very cool album, that, it really melds together 80s synth sounds and acoustic beauty. And how 'bout the looped Burundi drums on "The Jungle Line" on "Hissing of summer Lawns.." ?? Transcendent. A big influence on me - for the goal of using loops in a very song-supportive role.. ... she's just spectacular - and FINALLY touring!! on the w. coast with Van morrison/Dylan... actually - thanks to the VG-8 !! She's said in several interviews that one of the reasons she hasn't toured in years is the huge hassle of having 20-30 guitars on stage to facilitate her many alt. tunings - the VG has solved that neatly for her, and she raves about it!! of course, the obligatory info -http://www.jonimitchell.com LOOP away, Joni!!!! andre' From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 09:55:00 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 31 05:51:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yK1S5-00008L-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 05:51:45 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980331122902.007cde20@mnl.sequel.net> X-Sender: chrisone@mnl.sequel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:29:02 +0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "[ C H R I S ]" Subject: Tabla Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"U-Wye.A.NAH.jQPI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4778 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 05:51:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 917cdb7fdb96ceb9b3bb6435dceaa13c Anybody know where I can get WAV files of tablas? Thanks C H R I S Join the Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list. To sign up, goto http://www.come.to/reggae-list From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 09:54:53 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 31 04:58:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yK0cp-0002Cg-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:58:47 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD5BE3.4927A280.andrew@bocs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 01:18:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: non US loopers gear purchasing Resent-Message-ID: <"PPFIjC.A.6rB.FfOI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4776 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:58:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 1a8fa1b637689ffe08965dd2ae4d3eff >Am I right in thinking some stuff wouldn't work here if bought from the US >, e.g the echoplex, >apparently not yet 'CE' (?) approved ( 110V vs 240V ) >Would this go for all plug based equipment ? You are not right in that case, since the echoplex's power supply is designed to work with either voltage systems. There is a switch in the back to change from one to the other. CE has nothing to do with that, actually. Mostly it's EMI regulations. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 09:55:04 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 31 06:56:58 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yK2T5-0006qB-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:56:52 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yK2T5-0006A9-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:56:51 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yK2Sz-0006pF-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:56:45 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:53:11 -0500 (EST) From: VanEyck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan Delay Mode In-Reply-To: <351FD869.55F1@isrv.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"OSU35D.A.0_F.hNQI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4780 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:56:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 62525e78f12b258d5221fd4026ad0689 One way to do this with one pedal is if you have a two input amp (any Fender, most Marshalls and Hiwatts, Roland JC etc...). Morley and Ernie Ball make a stereo panning pedal. Pan in one direction, the clean guitar signal goes into input 1, pan the other way the guitar signal goes into the Jamman in loop mode and then into input 2. Some amps second input is made for a low impedence signal which is perfect for the Jamman anyways. If you can only use one input you could still sum the two signals back together at the amp with a Y cable if necessary. This way you can also slowly mix a non looped passage into the delay stream and vice-versa. Best, TREVOR. VanEyck@interlog.com On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Glenn Greenway wrote: > Hello Eveyone: > > Recently, some great suggestions were posted about the JamMan's delay > mode and how it is well suited for looping. I tried all the suggestions > and am very impressed. It seems to me that the most significant > difference between delay mode and loop mode is that in the former loop > points can be _repositioned on the fly_ while in the latter once set, > the JamMan needs to be _'reset'_. Also in delay mode there are 16 > Feedback levels as opposed to the three MIDI fades offered in loop mode. > Those two differences are WAY substantial! I can't believe how much > more organicly my loops evolve in delay mode than in loop mode. > > However, there is an equally prominent downside to using delay > mode...the often stated bypass problem. Everything one plays get added > to the pot resulting in an unwieldy and blurry mix. > > It has been suggested that a volume pedal, inserted into the effects > loop might help but with my simple rig (guitar, amp, jamman, digitech > Control Seven MIDI pedalboard) all that happens is that the guitar > signal gets turned down before the JamMan and then _you can't hear it_. > An A/B box is also suggested as an alternative but that sounds rather > too _binary_ for my taste. > > What is needed is a way to bypass the JamMan in one's effect loop. If > the signal could be variably split by a volume or MIDI control pedal > (before the JamMan, effectivley bypassing it)and then remixed after, I > suspect the JamMan might become _much_ more valuable as an interactive > musical device. But how? The remixing seems to no problem but what > kind of 'Splitter Pedals' are available? > > I know that a mixer would solve the bypass problem, but a pedal would be > better. Are there other alternatives that I haven't considered? > > Thanks again to everyone on the list, what a significantly groovy bunch. > > Viva la Peepers! > > From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 09:55:13 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 31 08:28:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yK3ts-0001s1-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:28:36 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: samples and midi Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:22:22 +0200 Message-ID: <19980331162221290.AAA143@modem15.dinonet.it> Resent-Message-ID: <"gOOE_B.A.vAB.bhRI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4781 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:28:36 -0800 X-UIDL: aed2d9330744a1682a51a320f6b9820c At 13.13 31/03/98 -0800, you wrote: >Classic & Essential breakbeats are available free of charge from >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/4312/ >Go get some... > > > > Anybody knows where I can download MIDI files of drum patterns (that I can use with my own sampled sounds). With reference to the late electronic trends (drum&bass, jungle, trip hop, etc.). I usually use my own Midi files or my .wav grooves, but I'd like to try this other approach too. Any info? thanks leo From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 09:55:00 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 31 06:31:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yK24m-000482-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:31:44 -0800 Message-Id: <98Mar31.082812cst.26888@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: pmurphy@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:30:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Pat Murphy Subject: Re: Oberheim Drummer (was: Loopinh Ensembler) In-Reply-To: <199803301744_MC2-3869-81EC@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qKTzRB.A.0jD.i2PI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4779 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:31:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 8c96eb9dfd35fec840445dfac3d83c7c As Kim said, the Drummer has no sounds of its own. It is an interactive midi drum pattern device. It has around 1000 patterns and can be set up to play in different time signatures. It can be set up to respond to midi velocity and can also be set up to listen for silence. With low velocity it might play the pattern with side stick and closed hi hat and with high velocity might switch to a regular snare drum and a ride cymbal. This will vary with the pattern selected. With the silence feature, the Drummer will listen for a thinning of the midi data stream on the selected channel. When it senses silence or fewer notes it will throw in fills. It has a variety of fills so they are not the same each time. You can also set the drummer up so that notes below a keyboard split will determine the bass drum hits for the pattern. You can use any combination of the velocity, note density, and keyboard split features.It is actually a cool little device for those of us that are not capable of sequencing believable drum parts. Namely me. Hope that helps. Pat Murphy Oberheim >>Now, if you could design something that could >>track the "feel" of, say, the drummer, and have >>that as the "master click", you might be getting >>somewhere. What you want is something that can >>utilize "feel", perhaps something that listens >>to the overall inputs from all of the >>insturments and, say, samples it every half beat >>to determine what the tempo is, not unlike a >>real person does, then outputs that to the loop >>devices, utilizing time stretching or some such. > >Interestin' that the good ol' Reverend ;-) should mention this - I often >have to deal with these sorts of problems - being a drummer/ percussionist. >I found the following on the Oberheim Drummer page - this sounds like one >solution. >HELLO OBERHEIM PEOPLE. I have a question: how does this *actually* work? >I'm any old good drummer whose subject to the odd tempo fluctuation - I am >practising to correct this though :-) . Can I load drum samples to the Obi >Drummer? Thanks in advance! > > >Like any good drummer, the Oberheim Drummer listens and reacts to your >playing. Dynamics, fills, and other features can all >be set to follow and respond to your MIDI performance in one of the unique >Drummer "Jam" modes. Files can be saved and >loaded via MIDI. Four footswitch jacks allow for real time performance >control of the Oberheim Drummer. > > > From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 09:55:25 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 31 09:46:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yK57J-0004VJ-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:46:33 -0800 Sender: randy@cdac.com Message-ID: <352129CF.1DD86277@cdac.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:37:19 -0800 From: Randy Reichenbach Organization: Cascade Design Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Tabla References: <3.0.5.32.19980331122902.007cde20@mnl.sequel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oQr-uD.A.XHD.rnSI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4782 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:46:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 7fd989e948f9b6ab9523c39d508b5d04 [ C H R I S ] wrote: > > Anybody know where I can get WAV files of tablas? Thanks > > C H R I S > Hey Chris, The following have Tabla WAV files: http://www.west.de/sound/gallery/pr_drums.html http://www.datolite.com/coolpage/soundbit.htm http://www.castle.net/~hemang/test3.htm Please let me know if you find any others. -- Peace ... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ====== = Randy Reichenbach randy@cdac.com = // || \\ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= || || || = Physical Design Engineer (VLSI-CAD) = || //\\ || = Cascade Design Automation = \\//__\\// = 3650 131st Ave SE, Suite 650 = `------' = Bellevue, Washington 98006 = = Tel: 425.643.0200 Fax: 425.649.7600 = ... Get some! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 21:24:36 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 31 12:42:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yK7r4-00050Y-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:41:58 -0800 Message-ID: <352129B2.2DAE@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:47:25 -0700 From: baumhaus@earthlink.net Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoperplexing Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h9T1ED.A.VTD.TKVI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4783 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:41:58 -0800 X-UIDL: f76e624ec09fd89017363dd418ada325 Greetings Loopers, First post to this list, and about to make the leap and purchase the Echoplex Digital Pro. Couple of questions to you all (mainly because most of the retailers in my physical and/or electronic vicinity don't have many answers): 1) What's the max. amount of memory that can be added to this unit? 2) What's the ratio of Mb to recording time? 3) A retailer has two units on their 'cryptic' product list, one called the Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro, which lists for $999.00, and another called the Oberheim OYEP0001 Digital Pro which lists for $879.00. Anyone have a clue about the difference? 4) Last but not least, the best retail price I've found so far is $649.00 (4 Mb, sans footpedal controller, which is another $119.00) from zZounds in Chicago (found thru Harmony Central). Anyone know of a better price? Thanks in advance, Lance Glover (aka Wafflehead) baumhaus@earthlink.net PS Howdy to B. Moreland (re 'backwards' thread on vs880 list several months back) From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 21:24:38 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 31 13:10:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yK8Ht-00014J-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:09:41 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980331205633.00a9925c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:56:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoperplexing Questions Resent-Message-ID: <"LUrhKD.A.4DH._kVI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4784 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:09:41 -0800 X-UIDL: f9535711cb60da2f1b181945b96ec83e At 10:47 AM 3/31/98 -0700, baumhaus@earthlink.net wrote: >Greetings Loopers, > >First post to this list, and about to make the leap and purchase the >Echoplex Digital Pro. > >Couple of questions to you all (mainly because most of the retailers in >my physical and/or electronic vicinity don't have many answers): > >1) What's the max. amount of memory that can be added to this unit? > >2) What's the ratio of Mb to recording time? max memory is 16MB, by using four 4MB 30-pin simms. That gives you 198 seconds of loop time, which can be used in a variety of ways. (really long loops, multiple loops, #undo's available, multiplying/inserting on a loop, etc.). Upgrading to the max possible memory is very cheap these days, there's hardly any excuse not to do it. don't know the answers to the other questions.... kim >3) A retailer has two units on their 'cryptic' product list, one called >the Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro, which lists for $999.00, and another >called the Oberheim OYEP0001 Digital Pro which lists for $879.00. Anyone >have a clue about the difference? > >4) Last but not least, the best retail price I've found so far is >$649.00 (4 Mb, sans footpedal controller, which is another $119.00) from >zZounds in Chicago (found thru Harmony Central). Anyone know of a better >price? > >Thanks in advance, > > >Lance Glover (aka Wafflehead) >baumhaus@earthlink.net > > >PS Howdy to B. Moreland (re 'backwards' thread on vs880 list several >months back) > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 09:54:55 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 31 05:19:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yK0xG-0004UH-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 05:19:54 -0800 Sender: screenstyles@hotmail.com Message-ID: <35215C91.5CBC@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:13:53 -0800 From: Paul Sellars Reply-To: screenstyles@hotmail.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The Samplist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_h5GkC.A.A2D.BzOI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4777 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 05:19:54 -0800 X-UIDL: fe748d9bf81be1bc51dea62d040d012e Classic & Essential breakbeats are available free of charge from http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/4312/ Go get some... From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 21:24:56 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 31 15:09:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yKA9k-0000n6-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:09:24 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:49:33 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: Oberheim Drummer (was: Loopinh Ensembler) Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803311750_MC2-388B-440F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"UuJgxD.A.Q9G.1VXI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4785 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:09:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 773489fcb9a6758e870f6e2c8e75375c Pat Murphy wrote: >You can use any combination of the velocity, note density, and keyboard >split features.< á Is it possible to let the MIDI clock in DRUMMER "float", (i.e. by letting someone hit the "1" every bar or every quarter note etc)? á Does it allow any individual pattern & song programming? I suppose this could work with a sequencer triggering off separate sounds - but I can't imagine any "looper" with real-time time-stretching (or "time-adjusting") abilities in the near future. What a computational pain-in-the-neck. But what could be interesting is to be able to have a device that contains a bit of "intelligence" to be able to "think" a little on its own. I guess this means being able to adapt to its auditive surroundings (i.e. hearing) and responding as a good musician would/ is supposed to. OK, let me reduce these pie-in-the-sky demands and try to organize some more concrete questions: GENERAL QUESTIONS: á Is an organic (ha ha, carbon-based with limited concentration) time-sync possible without having loop machines getting all confused around the boundary? á How long until *real-time* time-stretching & pitch-shifting becomes affordable? Is this just a question of powerful DSP's dropping in price? Or is this all available and I've simply missed the boat? á Is there any hardware out there with the capabilities of Sound Raider for mixing and scrambling its own loops from given samples? Imagine if Sound Raider was MIDI-compatible and a little more tweakable. Has anybody else tried this software out? Thanks in advance to anyone who's interested ... apologies to whomever finds this boring ... Rob From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 21:24:57 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 31 15:09:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yKAA9-0000q9-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:09:49 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:49:40 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: Oberheim Drummer (was: Loopinh Ensembler) Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199803311750_MC2-388B-4415@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"B1b9sB.A.b9G.2VXI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4786 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:09:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 42b152ce4b03a71fb1ffc66f105bff31 Pat Murphy wrote: >It is an interactive >midi drum pattern device.< SUM QUESTIONS: - does it track tempos (i.e. adjust to a shifting MIDI clock)? - can patterns/ tracks be programmed? 5 GENERAL QUESTIONS (concerning Looping Ensemble problems and reiterating the Rev. DOubt-GOat to some extent): - how long until loop-(time-)stretching/compression is available in an affordable unit? - is this a question of DSP's getting more priceworthy or are there more fundamental problems (I can imagine quite a few headaches, i.e. what if someone's looped time is a bit "off" - time stretching will only exagerate the error)? - why don't our looping/music systems have FAST-Ethernet or some other computer interface instead of MIDI (sorry about the naivetŽ on this one)? - what do we stand to gain with new digital music communication protocols/ interfaces OR how are we currently limited (again, sorry if this has already been discussed)? - who's counting anyway? Thanks a lot, Rob From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 21:25:33 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 31 18:55:19 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yKDgJ-0004Sq-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:55:15 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yKDgH-0007Wr-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:55:13 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yKDgA-0004Rd-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:55:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:44:05 -0800 (PST) From: Neal Reply-To: Neal To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: New MIDI Controllers In-Reply-To: <199803271753.JAA15692@scv2.apple.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"HwihM.A.jXD.xraI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4788 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:55:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 8c832e996317a488d95d0e6b34ab3833 Is this availably in resort hotel rooms? > >mattress pad embedded with numberous force-sensing resistors (FSRs). As > >you move around in the pad, the FSRs send signals directly to a sound From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 21:25:27 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 31 17:56:20 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yKCl2-0005RG-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:56:04 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yKCkw-0004p3-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:55:58 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yKCkW-0005NT-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:55:32 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:47:00 -0800 (PST) From: Neal To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: interesting bay area concert In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JI7VCD.A.VDE.kyZI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4787 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:55:32 -0800 X-UIDL: fe407dc5a0796cdbff36898ba6eb4d71 I can't afford $10 N On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Kim Flint wrote: > speaking of new instruments, > > This sounds like an interesting show at cnmat, featuring my old cohort Matt > Wright along with David Wessel and Shafqat Ali Khan. cnmat is the Center > for New Music and Audio Technologies, at UC Berkeley. check the web page: > > http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/ > > directions are there too. show is at 8, $10. > > matt's mail: > > >I sent you all an email announcement about some concerts I'll be doing with > >David Wessel and the amazing Pakistani singer Shafqat Ali Khan. The first > >concert, with me providing just a drone, went very well on Saturday. Now > >we're busy getting ready for the much more technically challenging second set > >of concerts. > > > >Here's the blurb I sent last time: > > > > This one will be a lot wilder. Shafqat will be singing again, but this > > time the band will be David Wessel and me, playing totally electronic > > instruments. It's going to be totally improvised. > > > > I can't say too much about it, because, of course, we're still developing > > our instruments. David will probably be using his Buchla Thunder > > controller, via a new version of the software he's been developing over > > recent years. I'll be using the Wacom tablet and probably some other > > stuff. There will be a drone, but that's not all I'll be doing. There'll > > be a lot of grooving rhythmic stuff. His voice will be going into Max/MSP > > and we'll be sampling and processing it in real time. And I'm sure we'll > > get some other goodies in there over the next few weeks. > > > > This concert will be two nights, Thursday, 4/2 and Thursday, 4/9. Here's > > the official blurb: > > > > Longtime musical collaborators Shafqat Ali Khan (vocals) and David Wessel > > (interactive computer instrumentation) are joined by Matt Wright > > (interactive computer instrumentation) for an evening of improvisation and > > interaction. They create a musical common ground, informed by classical > > Indo-Pakisani music, upon which a vital dialogue takes place. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > From ???@??? Wed Apr 01 10:22:45 1998 >From kflint Wed Apr 1 04:29:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yKMdj-0003kN-00; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 04:29:11 -0800 X-Sender: patrick@his.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 05:32:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: DC Loop Show April 18th. Resent-Message-ID: <"w4dRFD.A.XND._JjI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4797 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 04:29:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 0a19657c54e86a06a01789575be41791 Here's some preliminary info on the first DC Loop Show. Joe's Movement Emporium is hosting us this evening. If we have a good turn-out more will be possible in the future. So all you folks heading in for the Bruford, Levin, Torn show in Baltinmore on the 17th should stick round for this. A site has been set-up at: http://www.fingerpaint.net/Loop.html Mid_Atlantic Loop Show Saturday April 18th, 1998 8 PM Admission: $7 Joe's Movement Emporium 3802 34th Street Mt Ranier, MD 20712 301-699-1819 www.erols.com/worldart The show will be featuring three of the area's finest acts: Paul Mimlitsch on stick and Jody Panetta on percussion. FingerPaint: ambient guitar driven synth loops. Siobahn Canty vocals with an interesting supporting line-up. *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Tue Mar 31 22:24:11 1998 >From kflint Tue Mar 31 22:13:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yKGm1-0002fc-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:13:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199804010606.WAA04518@onyx.sunset.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:09:04 -0800 Subject: Re: This one's for Matt M. ---> the quest From: "Finley Sound Design" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kxCDb.A.l-B.vndI1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4789 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:13:21 -0800 X-UIDL: b5a6445cfef5a3e4b906dad1f9308b50 Laurie said: >>I've been experimenting with juxtaposing ambient loops with more melodic >>sections...something with a hook or rhythm. I haven't really stumbled upon >>anything that "works" but I certainly have cut and pasted a bunch of loops >>together in my computer!! > >I've been wanting to get back to you about this, Matt - it kind of got lost, I >thought, in the parellel discussion about P2 last week. I was hoping maybe you >would elaborate on the things you've mentioned here, this was quite brief. Well Laurie, after writing the above I've scraped the piece I was working on. I felt I was trying too hard...the music wasn't happening. The problem seems to be trying to force some sort of form over something that is totally improvished. It just wasn't working for me. I'm beginning to feel like a looping poser. >>Honestly, I don't know what I'm looking >>for...but I'm fairly certain that I will know when I find it. Hopefully. > >You know, I feel like I just spent the last four years feeling that way. So it >really struck me when you said this. The fact that you're *looking* is what >really counts. I hope you are right! Matt